From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  1 00:31:35 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 01:31:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEJCFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I just thought I'd share a tip.

I build my own computers from parts.  About two years ago now I bought these
rather nice cases, bought motherboards with AMD 1333 mhz thunderbird procs
and used Thermaltake volcanoes in them plus 3 case fans (plus two in the
power supply).  Needless to say it was NOISY!!!

So noisy I couldn't hear a phone conversation.

I finally decided I'd had enough.  I found a HSF called the Thermaltake
Silent Boost.  NICE!  All copper, 80mm low noise fan.  Almost silent.  That
got rid of the jet engine sound from the 60mm 4500 rpm fans on the old HSF,
but the case fans were still pretty loud.  I was just about to order low
noise variable speed fans when I ran across this article:
http://www.cpemma.co.uk/7volt.html

I decided since it was free and immediate (I'm a right now kinda guy) I'd go
ahead and try it.  Essentially you build a cable (don't panic, it's easy)
that feeds 7 volts to the fan instead of the normal 12, which reduces the
fan speed (and air volume) which reduces the noise (and air volume).

As long as the remaining air volume is sufficient to keep the case cool all
is fine.  I have 3 case fans anyway, 1 intake and 2 exhaust.  It turns out
that the temperature on the proc went up from ~104 f to 107 f idle.  Not too
bad actually.  And the difference in noise between the new HSF and lower
voltage to the case fans is immense.  Not dead silent by any means but quiet
now instead of sounding like the cleaning lady with a vacuum in my ear.

Saved myself ~$40-$50 on new case fans.  Check it out, it worked for me.
http://www.cpemma.co.uk/7volt.html

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sat Nov  1 01:36:13 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:36:13 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

But switches have no sense in a 1 server environment because all of the
trafic goes and comes from one point.
Unless your clients are 100Mb and the uplink to the server is 1Gb.

People often believe switches will improve their network speed, but that
is not always the case.
But indeed the prices of the switches have dropped that you buy a switch
at the price of a good hub these days.

Erwin

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Got it. I think.  Switch can route packet based on IP address but can't
generate an IP address.  Yes?

Rocky


Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> It is sort of half-way, but not really.
>
> Switches are a "generation" better.  Hubs and
> switches, on their most basic level perform the same function.  They 
> distribute network traffic.  But HOW they distribute that traffic is 
> fundimentally different.
>
> Unless they're one of the newer layer 3 or layer 4
> switches, they cannot perform routing functions.  They
> just hand packets off from point A to point B.  Think
> of them as sort of a postman.  They have an address
> for each device on the network and they hand off each
> piece of mail to the appropriate address.  A hub,
> using this sama analagy would deliver the same piece
> of mail to every house and the one that it belonged to
> would be the one that actually reads it.
>
> --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > "but it's as close as I could think of without
> > getting too technical."
> >
> > Thank you.  Much appreciated.  So a switch is like
> > halfway between a hub and
> > a router?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> >
> >
> > > A router and a switch are fundimentall different
> > > things.
> > >
> > > A router does just that.  It routes network
> > traffic.
> > >
> > > A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.
> > >
> > > Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and layer 4
> > > ones can perform both functions.This isn't an
> > exact
> > > definition, but it's as close as I could think of
> > > without getting too technical.
> > >
> > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Is there a difference between a switch and a
> > router?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > (sort
> > > > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any
> > > > device
> > > > > or server connected to your LAN that's not a workstation and 
> > > > > is virtually always on.
> > > > >
> > > > > For the price, I would also highly recommend
> > > > removing
> > > > > all hubs from your network and using them as doorstops.  
> > > > > Switches have come way down in
> > price
> > > > and
> > > > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.
> > Thus
> > > > if
> > > > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports
> > that
> > > > are
> > > > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch,
> > each
> > > > > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's not including the security issues
> > inherent
> > > > with
> > > > > hubs as they broadcast all available data to
> > all
> > > > > available ports rather than to the proper
> > > > destination
> > > > > port.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and SUPPOSEDLY hubs,

> > > > > > though I had no joy doing that with my old hub.  I am
> > however
> > > > daisy
> > > > > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > > > > router off of my new 4 port wireless router.
> > > > The
> > > > > > newer models even figure
> > > > > > out what kind of cable you are using,
> > crossover
> > > > or
> > > > > > regular.  The biggest
> > > > > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp
> > > > server
> > > > > > so I had to turn off the
> > > > > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I
> > > > also
> > > > > > hardwired the address of
> > > > > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy
> > Chaining
> > > > two 4
> > > > > > port routers isn't a
> > > > > > panacea however since you now end up using
> > two
> > > > ports
> > > > > > just for the daisy
> > > > > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I
> > also
> > > > > > have a wireless so I can
> > > > > > get my laptop in through that and could also
> > get
> > > > > > other computers in if
> > > > > > needed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to
> > use
> > > > the
> > > > > > internet to "call in"
> > > > > > for programming.  I had to snake a cable
> > down
> > > > the
> > > > > > wall from the living room
> > > > > > (luckily exactly over my office in the
> > > > basement).  I
> > > > > > understand that the
> > > > > > model II has USB ports that can
> > automatically
> > > > use
> > > > > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > > > > connect to the internet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John W. Colby
> > > > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > >
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > > > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > > > (sort
> > > > > > of)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off
> > one of
> > > > the
> > > > > > ports on your router to
> > > > > > get more ports and that you can go up to 255
> > > > devices
> > > > > > from one router this
> > > > > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've also found that when creating a new
> > network
> > > > it
> > > > > > sometimes takes a few
> > > > > > minutes for the different shared devices to
> > > > 'see'
> > > > > > each other - especially on
> > > > > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around
> > frustrated
> > > > > > trying to get the network to
> > > > > > work and then have the same experience you
> > had -
> > > > > > after a few minutes,
> > > > > > suddenly the other machines are in my
> > network
> > > > > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rocky
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "John Colby"
> > <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > > > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)" 
> > > > > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>; "AccessD" 
> > > > > > <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > (sort
> > > > of)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless
> > router a
> > > > > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > > > > needed
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov  1 04:13:15 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 11:13:15 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] You don't need perfect code to avoid security problems
In-Reply-To: <3FA2E88F.10808@verizon.net>
References: <3FA2E88F.10808@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1954072515.20031101111315@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

I think you need to leave Users and Groups and which users are members
of which groups, UserGroups, as is.

Then build a set of tables for Apps and Attributes where Apps is a
list of your Apps and Attributes are whatever security or user
property (menus, printer options, default colourset and language,
saved options for the user, whatever) that could be assigned a user of
an app. 

Now you can build Roles (Admin, Clerk, Student, etc.) which for every
App can be assigned a selection of Attributes.

Finally, build UserRoles and GroupRoles to connect users and groups
with apps and attributes.
When a user logs in, check UserRoles as well as UserGroups/GroupRoles
to retrieve the current attributes (including security) for the
current app for this user.

This, of course, assumes that one attribute cannot negate another;
otherwise things get very complicated.

/gustav


> In the company I work for, we are gearing up to deliver a full blown
> Upgrade to our current Department System.  It is currently in Access 97 
> and we've already been handeling the growing pains w/ normalizing the 
> data and upsizing it to Sql Server 2000.  The 2nd part is a little more 
> critical because it deals w/ Security and because eventually all this 
> will auto-synchronize as a distributed application, but I digress.

> A common Security Topology follows this type of table format

> Users (1-many) UserGroups (many-1) Groups

> But what if the database needed to handel security for multiple 
> applications. Would it then be more Along the lines of

> Users (1-many) UserApp (many-1) Apps (1-many) Groups

> The reason I ask, is because already I'm receiving a list of possible 
> "GROUP/Role" names of what each application will use.  Commonalities are 
> ADMIN and Clerk or Guest. 


From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Sat Nov  1 09:22:56 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 07:22:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <20031101152256.92373.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com>

Switches will ALWAYS improve your speed over hubs.
Period.

Hubs SHARE the same bandwidth on all ports.  Switches
allocate the max bandwidth per port.

You are incorrect.

--- Erwin Craps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> But switches have no sense in a 1 server environment
> because all of the
> trafic goes and comes from one point.
> Unless your clients are 100Mb and the uplink to the
> server is 1Gb.
> 
> People often believe switches will improve their
> network speed, but that
> is not always the case.
> But indeed the prices of the switches have dropped
> that you buy a switch
> at the price of a good hub these days.
> 
> Erwin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:55 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> Got it. I think.  Switch can route packet based on
> IP address but can't
> generate an IP address.  Yes?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> > It is sort of half-way, but not really.
> >
> > Switches are a "generation" better.  Hubs and
> > switches, on their most basic level perform the
> same function.  They 
> > distribute network traffic.  But HOW they
> distribute that traffic is 
> > fundimentally different.
> >
> > Unless they're one of the newer layer 3 or layer 4
> > switches, they cannot perform routing functions. 
> They
> > just hand packets off from point A to point B. 
> Think
> > of them as sort of a postman.  They have an
> address
> > for each device on the network and they hand off
> each
> > piece of mail to the appropriate address.  A hub,
> > using this sama analagy would deliver the same
> piece
> > of mail to every house and the one that it
> belonged to
> > would be the one that actually reads it.
> >
> > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > "but it's as close as I could think of without
> > > getting too technical."
> > >
> > > Thank you.  Much appreciated.  So a switch is
> like
> > > halfway between a hub and
> > > a router?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:36 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> (sort
> > > of)
> > >
> > >
> > > > A router and a switch are fundimentall
> different
> > > > things.
> > > >
> > > > A router does just that.  It routes network
> > > traffic.
> > > >
> > > > A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.
> > > >
> > > > Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and
> layer 4
> > > > ones can perform both functions.This isn't an
> > > exact
> > > > definition, but it's as close as I could think
> of
> > > > without getting too technical.
> > > >
> > > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Is there a difference between a switch and a
> > > router?
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and
> problem
> > > > > solving"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > > (sort
> > > > > of)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of
> any
> > > > > device
> > > > > > or server connected to your LAN that's not
> a workstation and 
> > > > > > is virtually always on.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For the price, I would also highly
> recommend
> > > > > removing
> > > > > > all hubs from your network and using them
> as doorstops.  
> > > > > > Switches have come way down in
> > > price
> > > > > and
> > > > > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all
> ports.
> > > Thus
> > > > > if
> > > > > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports
> > > that
> > > > > are
> > > > > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A
> switch,
> > > each
> > > > > > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's not including the security issues
> > > inherent
> > > > > with
> > > > > > hubs as they broadcast all available data
> to
> > > all
> > > > > > available ports rather than to the proper
> > > > > destination
> > > > > > port.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- John Colby
> <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers
> and SUPPOSEDLY hubs,
> 
> > > > > > > though I had no joy doing that with my
> old hub.  I am
> > > however
> > > > > daisy
> > > > > > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > > > > > router off of my new 4 port wireless
> router.
> > > > > The
> > > > > > > newer models even figure
> > > > > > > out what kind of cable you are using,
> > > crossover
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > regular.  The biggest
> > > > > > > issue there was that the router was the
> dhcp
> > > > > server
> > > > > > > so I had to turn off the
> > > > > > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the
> new.  I
> > > > > also
> > > > > > > hardwired the address of
> > > > > > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy
> > > Chaining
> > > > > two 4
> 
=== message truncated ===


From john at winhaven.net  Sat Nov  1 09:46:18 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 09:46:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEJCFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEKJEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

JC,
You might find this as ironic as I do. I have a Compaq w4000 SCSI
workstation (very fast BTW) that has a BIOS setting for the hard drive:
Fast/Quiet.

Of course I choose fast and yes, it is very noisy (when I have the door to
my "bullpen" open).
:o)

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:32 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
>
>
> I just thought I'd share a tip.
>
> I build my own computers from parts.  About two years ago now I
> bought these
> rather nice cases, bought motherboards with AMD 1333 mhz thunderbird procs
> and used Thermaltake volcanoes in them plus 3 case fans (plus two in the
> power supply).  Needless to say it was NOISY!!!
>
> So noisy I couldn't hear a phone conversation.
>
> I finally decided I'd had enough.  I found a HSF called the Thermaltake
> Silent Boost.  NICE!  All copper, 80mm low noise fan.  Almost
> silent.  That
> got rid of the jet engine sound from the 60mm 4500 rpm fans on
> the old HSF,
> but the case fans were still pretty loud.  I was just about to order low
> noise variable speed fans when I ran across this article:
> http://www.cpemma.co.uk/7volt.html
>
> I decided since it was free and immediate (I'm a right now kinda
> guy) I'd go
> ahead and try it.  Essentially you build a cable (don't panic, it's easy)
> that feeds 7 volts to the fan instead of the normal 12, which reduces the
> fan speed (and air volume) which reduces the noise (and air volume).
>
> As long as the remaining air volume is sufficient to keep the
> case cool all
> is fine.  I have 3 case fans anyway, 1 intake and 2 exhaust.  It turns out
> that the temperature on the proc went up from ~104 f to 107 f
> idle.  Not too
> bad actually.  And the difference in noise between the new HSF and lower
> voltage to the case fans is immense.  Not dead silent by any
> means but quiet
> now instead of sounding like the cleaning lady with a vacuum in my ear.
>
> Saved myself ~$40-$50 on new case fans.  Check it out, it worked for me.
> http://www.cpemma.co.uk/7volt.html
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  1 11:02:58 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:02:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEKAFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

In the process of making my computers quieter I moved a hard disk to my
wife's computer (let her listen to it!)  ;-).

Anyway, all it had on it was my ripped music collection which is played on
her computer anyway since it has the speakers now.  Unfortunately the path
to the music doesn't use MappedDrive:\Music, it uses jcolby-WS\Music.  Is
there anyway to tell Media Player to change where it is looking for these
things short of a new scan?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sat Nov  1 11:39:15 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:39:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEKAFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c3a09f$120d6da0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

JC

...simply copy your *wmbd files located in your C:\Documents and
Settings\YourUserName\Local Settings\ApplicationData\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\
folder over to the same folder under Mary's user directory.

...I'm using WXP and Media Player 9 but the same idea should work for W2K
...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:02 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music


> In the process of making my computers quieter I moved a hard disk to my
> wife's computer (let her listen to it!)  ;-).
>
> Anyway, all it had on it was my ripped music collection which is played on
> her computer anyway since it has the speakers now.  Unfortunately the path
> to the music doesn't use MappedDrive:\Music, it uses jcolby-WS\Music.  Is
> there anyway to tell Media Player to change where it is looking for these
> things short of a new scan?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  1 11:51:00 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:51:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
In-Reply-To: <001e01c3a09f$120d6da0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEKCFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

No, the music directory was a shared directory on my computer.  I shared the
Music Directory, then mapped it to M: on all of my computers.  Thus the
"path", instead of M:\someArtist ended up being jcolby-ws\SomeArtist.  IOW,
Windows media player didn't use the mapped drive as the path but the
workstation.  No se por que.

Mary's computer has always been the player, it just used to get the music
off of my computer across the net.  Now it is getting it off her own
computer (I moved that drive to her computer).  I thought if I shared the
Music directory and mapped it to M: Media player would just work.  But
NOOOOOOoooooooo.  The music itself is no longer on jcolby-ws it's on
mcolby-ws.

Why in the world it would use the workstation name instead of the mapped
drive is beyond me but it is damned annoying!  It is remotely possible that
I told it to search using the network neighborhood path but that doesn't
seem like something I would do.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music


JC

...simply copy your *wmbd files located in your C:\Documents and
Settings\YourUserName\Local Settings\ApplicationData\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\
folder over to the same folder under Mary's user directory.

...I'm using WXP and Media Player 9 but the same idea should work for W2K
...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:02 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music


> In the process of making my computers quieter I moved a hard disk to my
> wife's computer (let her listen to it!)  ;-).
>
> Anyway, all it had on it was my ripped music collection which is played on
> her computer anyway since it has the speakers now.  Unfortunately the path
> to the music doesn't use MappedDrive:\Music, it uses jcolby-WS\Music.  Is
> there anyway to tell Media Player to change where it is looking for these
> things short of a new scan?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  1 12:03:03 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:03:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
In-Reply-To: <3FA2ECB0.30B2FC4C@nanaimo.ark.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

In order to do a compact / repair everyone has to be out of the database,
meaning (more or less) no FEs are open.  After that, just use windows
scheduler to do a compact using command line switches.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:14 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact


Hey All
I have a program designed for a client that runs basically 24 hours a
day, 7 days a week collecting and processing data. Is it possible to
schedule a once weekly repair and compact operation on both the frontend
and backend (or even for now just the backend). There is a lag/idle time
between 1AM and 4AM, when no data is collected or processed. Any
direction to available code, ideas or programs would be appreciated.
Thank you.

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sat Nov  1 12:14:06 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:14:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEKCFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <003601c3a0a3$f07a82e0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...so why not open the file in notepad and do a replace all ...or just do
another scan :(

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:51 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music


> No, the music directory was a shared directory on my computer.  I shared
the
> Music Directory, then mapped it to M: on all of my computers.  Thus the
> "path", instead of M:\someArtist ended up being jcolby-ws\SomeArtist.
IOW,
> Windows media player didn't use the mapped drive as the path but the
> workstation.  No se por que.
>
> Mary's computer has always been the player, it just used to get the music
> off of my computer across the net.  Now it is getting it off her own
> computer (I moved that drive to her computer).  I thought if I shared the
> Music directory and mapped it to M: Media player would just work.  But
> NOOOOOOoooooooo.  The music itself is no longer on jcolby-ws it's on
> mcolby-ws.
>
> Why in the world it would use the workstation name instead of the mapped
> drive is beyond me but it is damned annoying!  It is remotely possible
that
> I told it to search using the network neighborhood path but that doesn't
> seem like something I would do.  ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:39 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
>
>
> JC
>
> ...simply copy your *wmbd files located in your C:\Documents and
> Settings\YourUserName\Local
Settings\ApplicationData\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\
> folder over to the same folder under Mary's user directory.
>
> ...I'm using WXP and Media Player 9 but the same idea should work for W2K
> ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:02 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
>
>
> > In the process of making my computers quieter I moved a hard disk to my
> > wife's computer (let her listen to it!)  ;-).
> >
> > Anyway, all it had on it was my ripped music collection which is played
on
> > her computer anyway since it has the speakers now.  Unfortunately the
path
> > to the music doesn't use MappedDrive:\Music, it uses jcolby-WS\Music.
Is
> > there anyway to tell Media Player to change where it is looking for
these
> > things short of a new scan?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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>
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sat Nov  1 12:24:38 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:24:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c3a0a5$6921b2d0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

http://www.mvps.org/access/modules/mdl0030.htm

...this link is to a sample A97 mdb on Dev's site that allows compact/repair
from within the current db ...it basically opens another Access instance
through automation, closes yours, compacts it, reopens it, and then closes
the 2nd instance  :)

...although the code works reliably, you'd probably be better off rewriting
it to use the Jet Compact/Repair Utility that subsequently came out which is
much, much more reliable imo than the standard A97 compact operation ...HTH
:)


William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:03 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact


> In order to do a compact / repair everyone has to be out of the database,
> meaning (more or less) no FEs are open.  After that, just use windows
> scheduler to do a compact using command line switches.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tony Septav
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:14 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
>
>
> Hey All
> I have a program designed for a client that runs basically 24 hours a
> day, 7 days a week collecting and processing data. Is it possible to
> schedule a once weekly repair and compact operation on both the frontend
> and backend (or even for now just the backend). There is a lag/idle time
> between 1AM and 4AM, when no data is collected or processed. Any
> direction to available code, ideas or programs would be appreciated.
> Thank you.
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
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>



From davesharpe2 at cox.net  Sat Nov  1 12:30:26 2003
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net (Dave Sharpe)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:30:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <004f01c3a0a6$388743f0$dd2f0a44@bcsext6137>

Tony

I use the "lite" ( free version ) of this that can't schedule; but , I
beleive that the "full"  version has scheduling

Access Maintainer developed by Gracemere Software http://www.gracemere.com

Dave



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:03 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact


In order to do a compact / repair everyone has to be out of the database,
meaning (more or less) no FEs are open.  After that, just use windows
scheduler to do a compact using command line switches.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:14 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact


Hey All
I have a program designed for a client that runs basically 24 hours a
day, 7 days a week collecting and processing data. Is it possible to
schedule a once weekly repair and compact operation on both the frontend
and backend (or even for now just the backend). There is a lag/idle time
between 1AM and 4AM, when no data is collected or processed. Any
direction to available code, ideas or programs would be appreciated.
Thank you.

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Nov  1 12:38:43 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:38:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
In-Reply-To: <13883919.1067710129957.JavaMail.root@sniper.marix.com>
Message-ID: <000301c3a0a7$637aca40$de1811d8@DanWaters>

To add on to John' suggestion, you can set up an automatic shutdown at a
certain time.  In a form which is always open (could be invisible), add a
timer event for 60 seconds (60,000 mseconds).  The timer event should check
to see if you have reached the log-out time.  Once you reach the log-out
time, display a pop-up form (not modal) to the user that they have X minutes
to finish their work.  Use the same timer event to count down the X minutes,
then Docmd.Quit in code.  You'll also need code in your startup form to
prevent users from logging in until after the compacting I done.

You could also do this weekly in the timer event by checking for the
specific day prior to forcing users out.

5 minutes later run the windows scheduler IAW John's instructions.

5 minutes later the code in your startup form should allow users to log in.

This gives users a forced 'break' of about 15 minutes.  

HTH,
Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact


In order to do a compact / repair everyone has to be out of the database,
meaning (more or less) no FEs are open.  After that, just use windows
scheduler to do a compact using command line switches.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:14 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact


Hey All
I have a program designed for a client that runs basically 24 hours a day, 7
days a week collecting and processing data. Is it possible to schedule a
once weekly repair and compact operation on both the frontend and backend
(or even for now just the backend). There is a lag/idle time between 1AM and
4AM, when no data is collected or processed. Any direction to available
code, ideas or programs would be appreciated. Thank you.

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  1 12:39:36 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:39:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
In-Reply-To: <003601c3a0a3$f07a82e0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEKFFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I tried opening it with notepad and it opened (it's 15 MBYTES however, but
it appears to be a database of some sort (not clear text).  The extension is
WMDB which sounds suspiciously like an access database so I tried to open it
with A2K.  "Unknown file format".  I'll try again with AXP.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music


...so why not open the file in notepad and do a replace all ...or just do
another scan :(

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:51 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music


> No, the music directory was a shared directory on my computer.  I shared
the
> Music Directory, then mapped it to M: on all of my computers.  Thus the
> "path", instead of M:\someArtist ended up being jcolby-ws\SomeArtist.
IOW,
> Windows media player didn't use the mapped drive as the path but the
> workstation.  No se por que.
>
> Mary's computer has always been the player, it just used to get the music
> off of my computer across the net.  Now it is getting it off her own
> computer (I moved that drive to her computer).  I thought if I shared the
> Music directory and mapped it to M: Media player would just work.  But
> NOOOOOOoooooooo.  The music itself is no longer on jcolby-ws it's on
> mcolby-ws.
>
> Why in the world it would use the workstation name instead of the mapped
> drive is beyond me but it is damned annoying!  It is remotely possible
that
> I told it to search using the network neighborhood path but that doesn't
> seem like something I would do.  ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:39 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
>
>
> JC
>
> ...simply copy your *wmbd files located in your C:\Documents and
> Settings\YourUserName\Local
Settings\ApplicationData\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\
> folder over to the same folder under Mary's user directory.
>
> ...I'm using WXP and Media Player 9 but the same idea should work for W2K
> ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:02 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
>
>
> > In the process of making my computers quieter I moved a hard disk to my
> > wife's computer (let her listen to it!)  ;-).
> >
> > Anyway, all it had on it was my ripped music collection which is played
on
> > her computer anyway since it has the speakers now.  Unfortunately the
path
> > to the music doesn't use MappedDrive:\Music, it uses jcolby-WS\Music.
Is
> > there anyway to tell Media Player to change where it is looking for
these
> > things short of a new scan?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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>
>
>
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From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com  Sun Nov  2 00:42:57 2003
From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 22:42:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 Repair and Compact
Message-ID: <3FA4A770.7BB08697@nanaimo.ark.com>

Hey All
Thanks John and William for your quick responses.
John this has to be a  no brainer (as far as the  employees are
concerned), as I already had a repair and compact option available when
they closed the frontend, but nobody  bothered to close the front end or
use the option (tried a warning also).
William I have looked at Dev's site, I will have to figure out how to
incorporate the repair and compact of the backend in the same routine.
I assume the Jet Repair/Compact utility is available from Microsoft.
Thanks again


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  1 12:49:37 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:49:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 Repair and Compact
In-Reply-To: <3FA4A770.7BB08697@nanaimo.ark.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEKGFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I'm thinking that you'll need to follow the suggestion to force the users
out of the database, just closing it down around their ears if they don't
get out.  Unfortunately people go home and leave things open.  No way out
but to force a close.

Once everyone is out, just do the compact.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 1:43 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 Repair and Compact


Hey All
Thanks John and William for your quick responses.
John this has to be a  no brainer (as far as the  employees are
concerned), as I already had a repair and compact option available when
they closed the frontend, but nobody  bothered to close the front end or
use the option (tried a warning also).
William I have looked at Dev's site, I will have to figure out how to
incorporate the repair and compact of the backend in the same routine.
I assume the Jet Repair/Compact utility is available from Microsoft.
Thanks again

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From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com  Sat Nov  1 13:08:01 2003
From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:08:01 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 Repair and Compact
Message-ID: <3FA40491.9CB11425@nanaimo.ark.com>

Hey John
Mentioned to Dan, that one way around the problem, may be his automatic
shutdown suggestion (during the lag time).
Then Task Scheduler to run the repair and compact, then after a certain
time period have the Task Scheduler open the program again. Not as
pretty as automating but an alternative if need be.


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sat Nov  1 13:22:47 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 14:22:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEKFFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000801c3a0ad$88c27ea0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

JC

...open it in notepad and scan down past all the goobledy gook ...you'll
find a csv string listing of all your media information which can readily be
f&r'd in notepad.

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music


> I tried opening it with notepad and it opened (it's 15 MBYTES however, but
> it appears to be a database of some sort (not clear text).  The extension
is
> WMDB which sounds suspiciously like an access database so I tried to open
it
> with A2K.  "Unknown file format".  I'll try again with AXP.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:14 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
>
>
> ...so why not open the file in notepad and do a replace all ...or just do
> another scan :(
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:51 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
>
>
> > No, the music directory was a shared directory on my computer.  I shared
> the
> > Music Directory, then mapped it to M: on all of my computers.  Thus the
> > "path", instead of M:\someArtist ended up being jcolby-ws\SomeArtist.
> IOW,
> > Windows media player didn't use the mapped drive as the path but the
> > workstation.  No se por que.
> >
> > Mary's computer has always been the player, it just used to get the
music
> > off of my computer across the net.  Now it is getting it off her own
> > computer (I moved that drive to her computer).  I thought if I shared
the
> > Music directory and mapped it to M: Media player would just work.  But
> > NOOOOOOoooooooo.  The music itself is no longer on jcolby-ws it's on
> > mcolby-ws.
> >
> > Why in the world it would use the workstation name instead of the mapped
> > drive is beyond me but it is damned annoying!  It is remotely possible
> that
> > I told it to search using the network neighborhood path but that doesn't
> > seem like something I would do.  ;-)
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:39 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
> >
> >
> > JC
> >
> > ...simply copy your *wmbd files located in your C:\Documents and
> > Settings\YourUserName\Local
> Settings\ApplicationData\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\
> > folder over to the same folder under Mary's user directory.
> >
> > ...I'm using WXP and Media Player 9 but the same idea should work for
W2K
> > ...HTH :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:02 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
> >
> >
> > > In the process of making my computers quieter I moved a hard disk to
my
> > > wife's computer (let her listen to it!)  ;-).
> > >
> > > Anyway, all it had on it was my ripped music collection which is
played
> on
> > > her computer anyway since it has the speakers now.  Unfortunately the
> path
> > > to the music doesn't use MappedDrive:\Music, it uses jcolby-WS\Music.
> Is
> > > there anyway to tell Media Player to change where it is looking for
> these
> > > things short of a new scan?
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >
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> >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov  1 12:27:40 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 19:27:40 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Writing raw RTF document using VBA
In-Reply-To: <004901c39f36$185d8ba0$0300a8c0@print>
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29410@nnse14.nns.com>
 <5614351436.20030524150347@cactus.dk> <1429226064.20031031183338@cactus.dk>
 <004901c39f36$185d8ba0$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <5133737291.20031101192740@cactus.dk>

Hi Tom

Thanks Tom, I can follow your approach. However, I do have the ocx
running and bound to a memo field, thus I have the RTF memos build
(and users type them in). My only task is to concatenate these micro
documents into one RTF document.

The ocx should happily work with Access 97. If not, you may have it
inproperly registered.

Here is a utility I found many years ago; it is still on-line:

  http://www.sareleku.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=43

It will install the RichText ocx so you can work with even without the
Access Developer edition which is quite handy if you ever need to do
some work on-site at a client.

/gustav


>> The client has got new budgets and is again asking for this:
>> 
>> > My simple need (which I never got solved) was how to assemble an
>> > rtf-formatted field from many records (essentially each an rtf
>> > document) into one rtf document, stripping headers etc. from each
>> > record and adding a header etc. to the final document.
>> 
>> Does anybody have a clue how to attack it?

> Gustav..

> I use rtf in one of my projects in the way you describe and although my method is very clunky .... it works and has been for some years now .....If you discover a cleaner/less clunky way I for one
> would be very interested in hearing about it 

> My project is still using A97 and the biggest problem I found was the fact that the RTFocx will not bind directly to a table field or query so I had to use the control unbound and feed it from an
> rtf file on the hard drive .....whether this has changed in A2000 or A2002 I dont know   

> Hmm...the pasted text below (looks crap in my email client) is produced by the function below it ....the result is saved as an rtf text file and then fed to the rtf OCX at runtime. 

> Setting it up is failrly simple ....simply set up a document the way you would like to see it in wordpad (or any rtf editor) and then nip the rtf codes from the raw rext and wrap those around a
> variable in the function. the result of the rtf is below and then below that is the rtf code itself. Take RTFCODESTART from the start and then save as an rtf document to open in wordpad or similar.
> The last line (you will see it as 4) is a font I have built with the rating symbols we use and 4 happens to correspond to "M"rating (mature audience). 

> I wrote this very early in my (ahem!) development and I think if I was to write it now I would use case statements instead of if then else's and also store the rtf codes in a table. Then I would
> use a find replace function so that I could vary the text produced (similar to the way early word processors used to work to acheive bold text etc with tags) eg <@BOLD@>I want this to be
> bold<@/BOLD@> 

> I seem to remember you and I discussing this a few years ago Gustav.....
> Hope it helps 

> Regards

> Tom Keatley 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov  1 13:27:13 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 20:27:13 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Writing raw RTF document using VBA - Solved
In-Reply-To: <1429226064.20031031183338@cactus.dk>
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29410@nnse14.nns.com>
 <5614351436.20030524150347@cactus.dk> <1429226064.20031031183338@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <7837311130.20031101202713@cactus.dk>

Hi William, Tom

> The client has got new budgets and is again asking for this:

>> My simple need (which I never got solved) was how to assemble an
>> rtf-formatted field from many records (essentially each an rtf
>> document) into one rtf document, stripping headers etc. from each
>> record and adding a header etc. to the final document.

> Does anybody have a clue how to attack it?

> It is for assembling a catalogue where each item in Access has it own
> small description in formatted text (bold, underline, sub/sup script
> only) into one rtf document which are read by the dtp people.

> Basically the task is to strip the header and the tail from the small
> rtf strings, concatenation these, then adding one header and one tail
> to create one finished document.

I did a Google search on "concatenate" and "rtf" and located some new
hits, though mostly from nice people without a proven solution.

However, I noticed you can use the RichTextBox on its own without
having a control on a form:

<code snip>

  Dim rtf As RichTextBox
  Dim strRTF  As String
  
  Set rtf = New RichTextBox
  
  rtf.TextRTF = "Gustav"
  
  Debug.Print rtf.TextRTF
  
  Set rtf = Nothing

</code snip>

This will output:

<rtf>

{\rtf1\ansi\deff0{\fonttbl{\f0\fnil\fcharset0 MS Sans Serif;}}
\viewkind4\uc1\pard\lang1030\f0\fs17 Gustav
\par }

</rtf>

The nice thing with this control is that is has a much wider selection
of text controls than the ocx, for example, superscript and subscript.

By playing around with it I found out that the key to locate the
beginning of the body is the code \pard which seems to always exists;
then locate the following Space. This will skip the leading font
tables and coloursets and bunches of other useless info wrapped in
sets of curly brackets, {...}.

This works fine except if the first char of the body is a non-ascii
char; if so, RTF uses a single byte hex representation of the char and
omits the Space. As an example, this is the string for "?240":

<rtf\

{\rtf1\ansi\deff0{\fonttbl{\f0\fnil\fcharset0 MS Sans Serif;}}
\viewkind4\uc1\pard\lang1030\f0\fs17\'80240
\par }

</rtf>

Note the missing Space.

The escape sequence for such hex bytes is "\'". Thus you'll have
locate first the \pard control code then either a Space or the hex
escape sequence whatever comes first.

Following the body are some closing chars which may be "}" only or
this followed by a CrLf and perhaps a Chr(0). To remove these, one
must travel from the end of the document up to the last "}" and chop
the tail off.

The remaining part is the body which can be concatenated like any
other string with other RTF body strings. When done, apply a minimum
header and a closing "}" and write this to a file and your RTF
document is ready! And, as this is pure code with no ocx or fancy
utils it runs at flashing speed!

First, here's one solution for extracting the RTF body:

<code>

Public Function TrimTextBodyRTF(strTextRTF As String) As String

' Extract RTF body of full RTF formatted string.
'
' 2003-11-01. Gustav Brock. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  ' RTF escape char.
  Const cstrRTFEscape       As String = "\"
  ' RTF code identifying RTF control codes leading RTF body.
  Const cstrRTFBodyPointer  As String = cstrRTFEscape + "pard"
  ' Char identifying hex code for non-ascii char.
  Const cstrRTFByteChar     As String = "'"
  ' Header string for hex code for non-ascii char.
  Const cstrRTFByteHeader   As String = cstrRTFEscape + cstrRTFByteChar
  ' Char identifying start of RTF body if first RTF char is an ascii char.
  Const cstrRTFBodyHeader   As String = " "
  ' Char closing RTF body.
  Const cstrRTFBodyEnd      As String = "}"
  
  Dim strRTF                As String
  Dim strEnd                As String
  Dim lngPos                As Long
  Dim lngPosAsc             As Long
  Dim lngPosHex             As Long
  Dim lngEnd                As Long
  Dim lngLen                As Long
  Dim lngChr                As Long
  
  If Len(strTextRTF) > 0 Then
    ' Locate RTF body pointer.
    lngPos = InStr(strTextRTF, cstrRTFBodyPointer)
    If lngPos > 0 Then
      ' Locate start of body if first char is an ascii char.
      lngPosAsc = InStr(lngPos, strTextRTF, cstrRTFBodyHeader)
      ' Check if first char in RTF body is a non-ascii char.
      lngPosHex = InStr(lngPos, strTextRTF, cstrRTFByteHeader) - 1
      lngPos = 0
      If lngPosAsc > 0 Then
        If lngPosHex > 0 Then
          If lngPosHex < lngPosAsc Then
            lngPos = lngPosHex
          Else
            lngPos = lngPosAsc
          End If
        Else
          lngPos = lngPosAsc
        End If
      Else
        lngPos = lngPosHex
      End If
      If lngPos > 0 Then
        strRTF = Mid(strTextRTF, 1 + lngPos)
        ' Locate position of RTF end marker (closing bracket).
        lngChr = Asc(cstrRTFBodyEnd)
        lngLen = Len(strRTF)
        lngEnd = 1
        While Asc(Right(strRTF, lngEnd)) <> lngChr And lngEnd < lngLen
          lngEnd = lngEnd + 1
        Wend
        If lngEnd = lngLen Then
          ' RTF end marker was not found.
          lngPos = 0
        Else
          ' Calculate length of RTF body.
          lngPos = lngLen - lngEnd
        End If
        ' Trim RTF body.
        strRTF = Left(strRTF, lngPos)
      End If
    End If
  End If
  
  TrimTextBodyRTF = strRTF
  
End Function

</code>

Having reached this point it's a simple matter to assemble and write
the full RTF document (watch for line breaks):

<code>

Public Function ConcatenateTextRTF() As Boolean

' Concatenate RTF body strings to one fully formatted RTF file.
'
' Error handling is missing.
'
' 2003-11-01. Gustav Brock. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  ' RTF header.
  ' Adjust codepage and language code and font as needed.
  ' Append fontsize to \f0 if needed. "\fs16" for 8 points.
  Const cstrRTFBodyHeader As String = "{\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deflang1030\deff0{\fonttbl{\f0\fnil\fcharset0 Arial;}}\viewkind4\uc1\pard\f0 "
  ' RTF closing bracket.
  Const cstrRTFBodyEnd    As String = "}"
  ' Filename of finished RTF document.
  Const cstrRTFFile       As String = "c:\winnt\temp\test.rtf"
  
  Dim dbs                 As Database
  Dim rst                 As Recordset
  
  Dim strRTF              As String
  Dim intFile             As Integer
  
  Set dbs = CurrentDb
  Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset("Tabel1")

  ' Set RTF header.
  strRTF = cstrRTFBodyHeader
  ' Concatenate RTF bodies.
  With rst
    While .EOF = False
      If Not IsNull(!MemoRTF) Then
        strRTF = strRTF + TrimTextBodyRTF(!MemoRTF)
      End If
      .MoveNext
    Wend
    .Close
  End With
  ' Append RTF closing bracket.
  strRTF = strRTF + cstrRTFBodyEnd
  
  ' Write RTF file.
  intFile = FreeFile
  Open cstrRTFFile For Output As #intFile
  Print #intFile, strRTF
  Close #intFile

  Set rst = Nothing
  Set dbs = Nothing
  
  ConcatenateTextRTF = True
  
End Function

</code>

I'm pretty sure this won't be able concatenate any collection of RTF
documents whatever the size. But until further testing has been
carried out, I guess it will be able to concatenate a vast amount of
small RTF docs like those found and produced in an ocx controlled RTF
memobox.

/gustav


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  1 13:31:18 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 14:31:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
In-Reply-To: <000801c3a0ad$88c27ea0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEKIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Right you are.  Trying that now.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 2:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music


JC

...open it in notepad and scan down past all the goobledy gook ...you'll
find a csv string listing of all your media information which can readily be
f&r'd in notepad.

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music


> I tried opening it with notepad and it opened (it's 15 MBYTES however, but
> it appears to be a database of some sort (not clear text).  The extension
is
> WMDB which sounds suspiciously like an access database so I tried to open
it
> with A2K.  "Unknown file format".  I'll try again with AXP.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:14 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
>
>
> ...so why not open the file in notepad and do a replace all ...or just do
> another scan :(
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:51 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
>
>
> > No, the music directory was a shared directory on my computer.  I shared
> the
> > Music Directory, then mapped it to M: on all of my computers.  Thus the
> > "path", instead of M:\someArtist ended up being jcolby-ws\SomeArtist.
> IOW,
> > Windows media player didn't use the mapped drive as the path but the
> > workstation.  No se por que.
> >
> > Mary's computer has always been the player, it just used to get the
music
> > off of my computer across the net.  Now it is getting it off her own
> > computer (I moved that drive to her computer).  I thought if I shared
the
> > Music directory and mapped it to M: Media player would just work.  But
> > NOOOOOOoooooooo.  The music itself is no longer on jcolby-ws it's on
> > mcolby-ws.
> >
> > Why in the world it would use the workstation name instead of the mapped
> > drive is beyond me but it is damned annoying!  It is remotely possible
> that
> > I told it to search using the network neighborhood path but that doesn't
> > seem like something I would do.  ;-)
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:39 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
> >
> >
> > JC
> >
> > ...simply copy your *wmbd files located in your C:\Documents and
> > Settings\YourUserName\Local
> Settings\ApplicationData\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\
> > folder over to the same folder under Mary's user directory.
> >
> > ...I'm using WXP and Media Player 9 but the same idea should work for
W2K
> > ...HTH :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:02 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
> >
> >
> > > In the process of making my computers quieter I moved a hard disk to
my
> > > wife's computer (let her listen to it!)  ;-).
> > >
> > > Anyway, all it had on it was my ripped music collection which is
played
> on
> > > her computer anyway since it has the speakers now.  Unfortunately the
> path
> > > to the music doesn't use MappedDrive:\Music, it uses jcolby-WS\Music.
> Is
> > > there anyway to tell Media Player to change where it is looking for
> these
> > > things short of a new scan?
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sat Nov  1 15:00:02 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:00:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEKIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000401c3a0bb$1e93d840$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

....also KB 272116 has a transfer method if the f&r didn't work.

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music


> Right you are.  Trying that now.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 2:23 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
>
>
> JC
>
> ...open it in notepad and scan down past all the goobledy gook ...you'll
> find a csv string listing of all your media information which can readily
be
> f&r'd in notepad.
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:39 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
>
>
> > I tried opening it with notepad and it opened (it's 15 MBYTES however,
but
> > it appears to be a database of some sort (not clear text).  The
extension
> is
> > WMDB which sounds suspiciously like an access database so I tried to
open
> it
> > with A2K.  "Unknown file format".  I'll try again with AXP.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:14 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
> >
> >
> > ...so why not open the file in notepad and do a replace all ...or just
do
> > another scan :(
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:51 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
> >
> >
> > > No, the music directory was a shared directory on my computer.  I
shared
> > the
> > > Music Directory, then mapped it to M: on all of my computers.  Thus
the
> > > "path", instead of M:\someArtist ended up being jcolby-ws\SomeArtist.
> > IOW,
> > > Windows media player didn't use the mapped drive as the path but the
> > > workstation.  No se por que.
> > >
> > > Mary's computer has always been the player, it just used to get the
> music
> > > off of my computer across the net.  Now it is getting it off her own
> > > computer (I moved that drive to her computer).  I thought if I shared
> the
> > > Music directory and mapped it to M: Media player would just work.  But
> > > NOOOOOOoooooooo.  The music itself is no longer on jcolby-ws it's on
> > > mcolby-ws.
> > >
> > > Why in the world it would use the workstation name instead of the
mapped
> > > drive is beyond me but it is damned annoying!  It is remotely possible
> > that
> > > I told it to search using the network neighborhood path but that
doesn't
> > > seem like something I would do.  ;-)
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> > > Hindman
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:39 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
> > >
> > >
> > > JC
> > >
> > > ...simply copy your *wmbd files located in your C:\Documents and
> > > Settings\YourUserName\Local
> > Settings\ApplicationData\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\
> > > folder over to the same folder under Mary's user directory.
> > >
> > > ...I'm using WXP and Media Player 9 but the same idea should work for
> W2K
> > > ...HTH :)
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:02 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
> > >
> > >
> > > > In the process of making my computers quieter I moved a hard disk to
> my
> > > > wife's computer (let her listen to it!)  ;-).
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, all it had on it was my ripped music collection which is
> played
> > on
> > > > her computer anyway since it has the speakers now.  Unfortunately
the
> > path
> > > > to the music doesn't use MappedDrive:\Music, it uses
jcolby-WS\Music.
> > Is
> > > > there anyway to tell Media Player to change where it is looking for
> > these
> > > > things short of a new scan?
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > >
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From wayne.warren at adelphia.net  Sat Nov  1 17:46:05 2003
From: wayne.warren at adelphia.net (Wayne Warren-Angelucci)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:46:05 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
References: <3FA2ECB0.30B2FC4C@nanaimo.ark.com>
Message-ID: <001801c3a0d2$50ecd320$6502a8c0@wayne>

Sure, check out the FMS product: Access Agent.  I use it for many clients to
schedule archive, compact, etc.  Works perfectly. (Google on FMS Agent)

-- Wayne

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Septav" <iggy at nanaimo.ark.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 3:13 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact


> Hey All
> I have a program designed for a client that runs basically 24 hours a
> day, 7 days a week collecting and processing data. Is it possible to
> schedule a once weekly repair and compact operation on both the frontend
> and backend (or even for now just the backend). There is a lag/idle time
> between 1AM and 4AM, when no data is collected or processed. Any
> direction to available code, ideas or programs would be appreciated.
> Thank you.
>
>



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sat Nov  1 19:26:24 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 20:26:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MICROSOFT Activation policy
References: 	<E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29410@nnse14.nns.com><5614351436.20030524150347@cactus.dk><1429226064.20031031183338@cactus.dk><004901c39f36$185d8ba0$0300a8c0@print><5133737291.20031101192740@cactus.dk>
	<000701c3a009$1cf628b0$0300a8c0@print> <002501c3a00c$53fae870$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <000801c3a0e0$54a6ec90$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...the ODE actually contains two licenses, one desktop and one laptop ...I
hit the activation wall with MS at 5 but all I had to do was call them and
swear that I hadn't exceeded the number allowed and they gave me a new key
...no hassle really except for making the call :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Keatley" <tomk at multiline.com.au>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:08 PM
Subject: [AccessD] MICROSOFT Activation policy


> Hi all...
>
> I bought Office 2002 Developers Edition a couple of years ago which of
> course contained MS Activation and since that time I must have activated
it
> 3 or 4 times on different computers (I hasten to add that this was when I
> was UPDATING hardware and I only use the software on a single computer)
>
> Although I havent as yet had any problems with activation or my request
> being rejected it occurs to me that this at some point will happen and I
> wondered what others experience might be.
>
> Does MS have a number of activations before one is rejected? And what are
> the options if this happens?
>
> Regards
>
> Tom Keatley
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  1 20:50:19 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:50:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ID in MSysObjects
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKELBFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Does anyone have experience using the ID field in MSysObjects?

I assumed (bad, I know) that it was a PK and not reused.  I built a table of
form attributes, and pulled the ID from MSysObjects table by joining my
table name with the table name in MSysObjects, storing this ID in my table
so I would have a reference back to the object in Access' MSysObjects.
After a couple of weeks playing around (and ASSUMING my numbers were still
good) I started trying to use this ID.  I joined the ID in msysObjects with
the same FK in my table, and compared the name in my table with the name in
MSysObjects.  In many cases they matched, in others they aren't even the
same TYPE of object anymore.  The ID now belongs to a module instead of a
form.

WTFO?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  1 21:11:36 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 22:11:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ID in MSysObjects
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIELCFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Here's what I have discovered.

If you build an object. lets say a form.  It is issued a sequential number.
It is issued the LAST sequential number in a series.  If you create another
object, lets say another form.  It is issued the NEXT number in that
sequence.  If you delete the first form created, then add another object
(lets say a form) the new form is issued the LAST sequential number, and a
hole exists where the deleted object was.  If you now delete all objects
back to that hole, the next object created is issued the LAST sequential
number, i.e. it is issued the number of the form that was deleted that
created the hold.

IOW, these IDs are NOT like an autonumber where they just go up.  They
cannot be counted on to be assigned to some object and never reused, in fact
they can be counted on being reused as you add and delete objects.  The next
object created gets the next available number.

What a PITA for my purposes!  In fact, the ID may very well be useless for
my purposes.

My problem:  I create a record in a table of my own design called
MSysTables.  It contains the name of the table and an ID from MSysObjects of
the object that has that ID at this moment.  Now... if the designer renames
the table, MSysObjects correctly updates the same record (same ID) with the
new name.  My intention was to use that ID as a "link back" to my own table
whenever an object was renamed.  However... if a developer DELETES that
object, AND IT IS THE LAST ID IN THE SERIES, when they create the next
object it gets that old ID.  Thus now my ID in my table points to a
completely different object, perhaps not even the same kind.  It could now
be a query or a report!

Holy crap batman, how do I track name changes?


John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sat Nov  1 21:14:33 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 22:14:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ID in MSysObjects
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKELBFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <021101c3a0ef$7140b5c0$6401a8c0@default>

John,

It seems like you might be missing MSysObjects.Type?
----
The List of Forms  -
SELECT MSysObjects.Id, MSysObjects.Name _
FROM MSysObjects WHERE (((MSysObjects.Type)=-32768));

The List of reports -
SELECT MSysObjects.Id, MSysObjects.Name _
FROM MSysObjects WHERE (((MSysObjects.Type)=-32764));

The List of Macros -
SELECT MSysObjects.Id, MSysObjects.Name _
FROM MSysObjects WHERE (((MSysObjects.Type)=-32766));

The List of Modules -
SELECT MSysObjects.Id, MSysObjects.Name _
FROM MSysObjects WHERE (((MSysObjects.Type)=-32761));

etc, etc, ...
----


Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 9:50 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ID in MSysObjects


> Does anyone have experience using the ID field in MSysObjects?
>
> I assumed (bad, I know) that it was a PK and not reused.  I built a table
of
> form attributes, and pulled the ID from MSysObjects table by joining my
> table name with the table name in MSysObjects, storing this ID in my table
> so I would have a reference back to the object in Access' MSysObjects.
> After a couple of weeks playing around (and ASSUMING my numbers were still
> good) I started trying to use this ID.  I joined the ID in msysObjects
with
> the same FK in my table, and compared the name in my table with the name
in
> MSysObjects.  In many cases they matched, in others they aren't even the
> same TYPE of object anymore.  The ID now belongs to a module instead of a
> form.
>
> WTFO?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  1 21:28:02 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 22:28:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ID in MSysObjects
In-Reply-To: <021101c3a0ef$7140b5c0$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAELDFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

No, Iknow about that.  I was hoping for a persistant ID that I could use to
track database objects.


John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 10:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ID in MSysObjects


John,

It seems like you might be missing MSysObjects.Type?
----
The List of Forms  -
SELECT MSysObjects.Id, MSysObjects.Name _
FROM MSysObjects WHERE (((MSysObjects.Type)=-32768));

The List of reports -
SELECT MSysObjects.Id, MSysObjects.Name _
FROM MSysObjects WHERE (((MSysObjects.Type)=-32764));

The List of Macros -
SELECT MSysObjects.Id, MSysObjects.Name _
FROM MSysObjects WHERE (((MSysObjects.Type)=-32766));

The List of Modules -
SELECT MSysObjects.Id, MSysObjects.Name _
FROM MSysObjects WHERE (((MSysObjects.Type)=-32761));

etc, etc, ...
----


Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 9:50 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ID in MSysObjects


> Does anyone have experience using the ID field in MSysObjects?
>
> I assumed (bad, I know) that it was a PK and not reused.  I built a table
of
> form attributes, and pulled the ID from MSysObjects table by joining my
> table name with the table name in MSysObjects, storing this ID in my table
> so I would have a reference back to the object in Access' MSysObjects.
> After a couple of weeks playing around (and ASSUMING my numbers were still
> good) I started trying to use this ID.  I joined the ID in msysObjects
with
> the same FK in my table, and compared the name in my table with the name
in
> MSysObjects.  In many cases they matched, in others they aren't even the
> same TYPE of object anymore.  The ID now belongs to a module instead of a
> form.
>
> WTFO?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sat Nov  1 22:12:08 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 23:12:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ID in MSysObjects
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAELDFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <021b01c3a0f7$896b6930$6401a8c0@default>

Running the documenter creates a table in an access MDT file
stored in your profile folder:
C:\Documents and Settings\YourName\Application Data\
Microsoft\Access\ACWZUSR.MDT

If you were to import doc_tblObjects and save it,
you might be able to do some comparision with it.
Maybe ...

Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 10:28 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ID in MSysObjects


> No, Iknow about that.  I was hoping for a persistant ID that I could use
to
> track database objects.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 10:15 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ID in MSysObjects
>
>
> John,
>
> It seems like you might be missing MSysObjects.Type?
> ----
> The List of Forms  -
> SELECT MSysObjects.Id, MSysObjects.Name _
> FROM MSysObjects WHERE (((MSysObjects.Type)=-32768));
>
> The List of reports -
> SELECT MSysObjects.Id, MSysObjects.Name _
> FROM MSysObjects WHERE (((MSysObjects.Type)=-32764));
>
> The List of Macros -
> SELECT MSysObjects.Id, MSysObjects.Name _
> FROM MSysObjects WHERE (((MSysObjects.Type)=-32766));
>
> The List of Modules -
> SELECT MSysObjects.Id, MSysObjects.Name _
> FROM MSysObjects WHERE (((MSysObjects.Type)=-32761));
>
> etc, etc, ...
> ----
>
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 9:50 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] ID in MSysObjects
>
>
> > Does anyone have experience using the ID field in MSysObjects?
> >
> > I assumed (bad, I know) that it was a PK and not reused.  I built a
table
> of
> > form attributes, and pulled the ID from MSysObjects table by joining my
> > table name with the table name in MSysObjects, storing this ID in my
table
> > so I would have a reference back to the object in Access' MSysObjects.
> > After a couple of weeks playing around (and ASSUMING my numbers were
still
> > good) I started trying to use this ID.  I joined the ID in msysObjects
> with
> > the same FK in my table, and compared the name in my table with the name
> in
> > MSysObjects.  In many cases they matched, in others they aren't even the
> > same TYPE of object anymore.  The ID now belongs to a module instead of
a
> > form.
> >
> > WTFO?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sun Nov  2 02:36:16 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 09:36:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F1@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

The weakest link in a network will decide the bandwith.

If you only have one server all trafic goes to and comes from one link.
If that link is the same speed as the clients link a switch is of no
use. You gonna have a bottleneck.

Again, switch are very good but you must have a different server speed
link OR multiple servers. By that your bandwith gets divided over
multiple or higer speed links.

Switches are useles (for reaons of speed) in a single server and only 1
speed link.

It's a basic rule of a switch!!!

Erwin


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Frank Tanner III
Verzonden: zaterdag 1 november 2003 16:23
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Switches will ALWAYS improve your speed over hubs.
Period.

Hubs SHARE the same bandwidth on all ports.  Switches
allocate the max bandwidth per port.

You are incorrect.

--- Erwin Craps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> But switches have no sense in a 1 server environment
> because all of the
> trafic goes and comes from one point.
> Unless your clients are 100Mb and the uplink to the
> server is 1Gb.
> 
> People often believe switches will improve their
> network speed, but that
> is not always the case.
> But indeed the prices of the switches have dropped
> that you buy a switch
> at the price of a good hub these days.
> 
> Erwin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:55 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> Got it. I think.  Switch can route packet based on
> IP address but can't
> generate an IP address.  Yes?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> > It is sort of half-way, but not really.
> >
> > Switches are a "generation" better.  Hubs and
> > switches, on their most basic level perform the
> same function.  They
> > distribute network traffic.  But HOW they
> distribute that traffic is
> > fundimentally different.
> >
> > Unless they're one of the newer layer 3 or layer 4 switches, they 
> > cannot perform routing functions.
> They
> > just hand packets off from point A to point B.
> Think
> > of them as sort of a postman.  They have an
> address
> > for each device on the network and they hand off
> each
> > piece of mail to the appropriate address.  A hub,
> > using this sama analagy would deliver the same
> piece
> > of mail to every house and the one that it
> belonged to
> > would be the one that actually reads it.
> >
> > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > "but it's as close as I could think of without
> > > getting too technical."
> > >
> > > Thank you.  Much appreciated.  So a switch is
> like
> > > halfway between a hub and
> > > a router?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:36 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> (sort
> > > of)
> > >
> > >
> > > > A router and a switch are fundimentall
> different
> > > > things.
> > > >
> > > > A router does just that.  It routes network
> > > traffic.
> > > >
> > > > A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.
> > > >
> > > > Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and
> layer 4
> > > > ones can perform both functions.This isn't an
> > > exact
> > > > definition, but it's as close as I could think
> of
> > > > without getting too technical.
> > > >
> > > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Is there a difference between a switch and a
> > > router?
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and
> problem
> > > > > solving"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > > (sort
> > > > > of)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of
> any
> > > > > device
> > > > > > or server connected to your LAN that's not
> a workstation and
> > > > > > is virtually always on.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For the price, I would also highly
> recommend
> > > > > removing
> > > > > > all hubs from your network and using them
> as doorstops.
> > > > > > Switches have come way down in
> > > price
> > > > > and
> > > > > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all
> ports.
> > > Thus
> > > > > if
> > > > > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports
> > > that
> > > > > are
> > > > > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A
> switch,
> > > each
> > > > > > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's not including the security issues
> > > inherent
> > > > > with
> > > > > > hubs as they broadcast all available data
> to
> > > all
> > > > > > available ports rather than to the proper
> > > > > destination
> > > > > > port.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- John Colby
> <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers
> and SUPPOSEDLY hubs,
> 
> > > > > > > though I had no joy doing that with my
> old hub.  I am
> > > however
> > > > > daisy
> > > > > > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > > > > > router off of my new 4 port wireless
> router.
> > > > > The
> > > > > > > newer models even figure
> > > > > > > out what kind of cable you are using,
> > > crossover
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > regular.  The biggest
> > > > > > > issue there was that the router was the
> dhcp
> > > > > server
> > > > > > > so I had to turn off the
> > > > > > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the
> new.  I
> > > > > also
> > > > > > > hardwired the address of
> > > > > > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy
> > > Chaining
> > > > > two 4
> 
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sun Nov  2 02:38:43 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 09:38:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F2@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

And to be correct, switches don't improve speed (compared to hub's) they
improve bandwith and reduce collisions!!!
Switches create virtual point to point connections.

Switches do improve speed compared to routers.

Erwin

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Frank Tanner III
Verzonden: zaterdag 1 november 2003 16:23
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Switches will ALWAYS improve your speed over hubs.
Period.

Hubs SHARE the same bandwidth on all ports.  Switches
allocate the max bandwidth per port.

You are incorrect.

--- Erwin Craps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> But switches have no sense in a 1 server environment
> because all of the
> trafic goes and comes from one point.
> Unless your clients are 100Mb and the uplink to the
> server is 1Gb.
> 
> People often believe switches will improve their
> network speed, but that
> is not always the case.
> But indeed the prices of the switches have dropped
> that you buy a switch
> at the price of a good hub these days.
> 
> Erwin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:55 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> Got it. I think.  Switch can route packet based on
> IP address but can't
> generate an IP address.  Yes?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> > It is sort of half-way, but not really.
> >
> > Switches are a "generation" better.  Hubs and
> > switches, on their most basic level perform the
> same function.  They
> > distribute network traffic.  But HOW they
> distribute that traffic is
> > fundimentally different.
> >
> > Unless they're one of the newer layer 3 or layer 4 switches, they 
> > cannot perform routing functions.
> They
> > just hand packets off from point A to point B.
> Think
> > of them as sort of a postman.  They have an
> address
> > for each device on the network and they hand off
> each
> > piece of mail to the appropriate address.  A hub,
> > using this sama analagy would deliver the same
> piece
> > of mail to every house and the one that it
> belonged to
> > would be the one that actually reads it.
> >
> > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > "but it's as close as I could think of without
> > > getting too technical."
> > >
> > > Thank you.  Much appreciated.  So a switch is
> like
> > > halfway between a hub and
> > > a router?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:36 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> (sort
> > > of)
> > >
> > >
> > > > A router and a switch are fundimentall
> different
> > > > things.
> > > >
> > > > A router does just that.  It routes network
> > > traffic.
> > > >
> > > > A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.
> > > >
> > > > Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and
> layer 4
> > > > ones can perform both functions.This isn't an
> > > exact
> > > > definition, but it's as close as I could think
> of
> > > > without getting too technical.
> > > >
> > > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Is there a difference between a switch and a
> > > router?
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and
> problem
> > > > > solving"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > > (sort
> > > > > of)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of
> any
> > > > > device
> > > > > > or server connected to your LAN that's not
> a workstation and
> > > > > > is virtually always on.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For the price, I would also highly
> recommend
> > > > > removing
> > > > > > all hubs from your network and using them
> as doorstops.
> > > > > > Switches have come way down in
> > > price
> > > > > and
> > > > > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all
> ports.
> > > Thus
> > > > > if
> > > > > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports
> > > that
> > > > > are
> > > > > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A
> switch,
> > > each
> > > > > > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's not including the security issues
> > > inherent
> > > > > with
> > > > > > hubs as they broadcast all available data
> to
> > > all
> > > > > > available ports rather than to the proper
> > > > > destination
> > > > > > port.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- John Colby
> <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers
> and SUPPOSEDLY hubs,
> 
> > > > > > > though I had no joy doing that with my
> old hub.  I am
> > > however
> > > > > daisy
> > > > > > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > > > > > router off of my new 4 port wireless
> router.
> > > > > The
> > > > > > > newer models even figure
> > > > > > > out what kind of cable you are using,
> > > crossover
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > regular.  The biggest
> > > > > > > issue there was that the router was the
> dhcp
> > > > > server
> > > > > > > so I had to turn off the
> > > > > > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the
> new.  I
> > > > > also
> > > > > > > hardwired the address of
> > > > > > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy
> > > Chaining
> > > > > two 4
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Nov  2 03:25:41 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 19:25:41 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
In-Reply-To: <3FA2ECB0.30B2FC4C@nanaimo.ark.com>
Message-ID: <3FA55A35.28453.260F272@localhost>

On 31 Oct 2003 at 15:13, Tony Septav wrote:

> Hey All
> I have a program designed for a client that runs basically 24 hours a
> day, 7 days a week collecting and processing data. Is it possible to
> schedule a once weekly repair and compact operation on both the frontend
> and backend (or even for now just the backend). There is a lag/idle time
> between 1AM and 4AM, when no data is collected or processed. Any
> direction to available code, ideas or programs would be appreciated.
> Thank you.
> 

How about a timer which periodically checks the date/time.
If it's Sunday 2.00am or whenever, shell to a batch file and close 
the app.

In the batch file open another one that waits for a while then 
compacts and repairs the first one and  re-opens it. 





 
-- 
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Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  2 04:11:42 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 11:11:42 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
In-Reply-To: <3FA2ECB0.30B2FC4C@nanaimo.ark.com>
References: <3FA2ECB0.30B2FC4C@nanaimo.ark.com>
Message-ID: <765336573.20031102111142@cactus.dk>

Hi Tony

> I have a program designed for a client that runs basically 24 hours a
> day, 7 days a week collecting and processing data. Is it possible to
> schedule a once weekly repair and compact operation on both the frontend
> and backend (or even for now just the backend). There is a lag/idle time
> between 1AM and 4AM, when no data is collected or processed. Any
> direction to available code, ideas or programs would be appreciated.
> Thank you.

1. If you write protect the front end database file (before launching
it) there's no need to compact it as, in that case, Access's temporary
data always will be written to external files.

2. If you don't have any open connections from the front end to the
back end, you can safely open the back end in a separate workspace and
compact it. To make sure that no other app has open connections to the
back end, let your compacting app open the back end exclusively; if
this fails don't continue.

3. Don't apply Repair for routine maintenance. This is a general
advice not invented by me, but I've never seen a need for it except
for corrupted database files and then JetComp.exe is a better first
attempt.

Re. 1. Write protecting an app will cause a message about this to pop
up at launch. This can be avoided by running the app from a runtime
installation.

Re. 2. The difficult part is not to compact the database file - it's a
couple of code lines only. The critical part is to create and keep
track of backup files in case something fails. 

Here's a function which handles this. It is a part of a solution which
has run for several years and also handles archiving to a cab or zip
file and ftp'ing this to a remote server. The backup routine is
triggered by a timer function on the main form.

<code>

Public Function DatabaseCompact( _
  ByVal strDataFile As String) As Boolean
  
  Const cbooDbOpenExclusive As Boolean = True
  Const cbooDbOpenReadOnly  As Boolean = True
  Const cbytDbFileExtLength As Byte = 3
  Const cstrDbFileExtBackup As String * cbytDbFileExtLength = "mdk"
  Const cstrDbFileExtTemp   As String * cbytDbFileExtLength = "tmp"
  
  Dim wks             As Workspace
  Dim dbs             As Database
  
  Dim strBackFile     As String
  Dim strTempFile     As String
  Dim strDataFilePath As String
  Dim strDataFileName As String
  Dim intDataFileName As Integer
  Dim booClosed       As Boolean
  Dim booSuccess      As Boolean
  
  On Error GoTo Err_DatabaseCompact
  
  strDataFileName = Dir(strDataFile, vbNormal)
  intDataFileName = Len(strDataFileName)
  If intDataFileName = 0 Then
    ' No data file to process.
  Else
    ' Data file exists.
    strDataFilePath = Left(strDataFile, Len(strDataFile) - intDataFileName)
    strBackFile = Left(strDataFile, Len(strDataFile) - cbytDbFileExtLength) & cstrDbFileExtBackup
    strTempFile = Left(strDataFile, Len(strDataFile) - cbytDbFileExtLength) & cstrDbFileExtTemp
    Set wks = DBEngine(0)
    Set dbs = wks.OpenDatabase(strDataFile, cbooDbOpenExclusive, cbooDbOpenReadOnly)
    ' No error. Database file can be opened exclusively, thus no open connections.
    ' Keep it open to prevent access from other users while compacting it.
    If Len(Dir(strBackFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
      ' Delete old backup file.
      Kill strBackFile
    End If
    If Len(Dir(strBackFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
      ' Old backup file could not be deleted.
    Else
      ' Create copy for further processing.
      FileCopy strDataFile, strBackFile
      If Len(Dir(strBackFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
        If Len(Dir(strTempFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
          ' Kill left-over temp file.
          Kill strTempFile
        End If
        If Len(Dir(strTempFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
          ' Old temp file could not be deleted.
        Else
          ' Compact backup file to a temporary file.
          DBEngine.CompactDatabase strBackFile, strTempFile, dbLangNorwDan
          If Len(Dir(strTempFile, vbNormal)) = 0 Then
            ' Compact failed somehow.
          Else
            ' Temporary file was created.
            ' Close database and delete current data file leaving backup file.
            dbs.Close
            booClosed = True
            Kill strDataFile
            If Len(Dir(strDataFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
              ' Current data file was not deleted.
              ' Clean up.
              Kill strTempFile
            Else
              ' Current data file is gone.
              ' Rename temporary data file as new data file.
              Name strTempFile As strDataFile
              If Len(Dir(strDataFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
                ' Temporary file was renamed successfully.
                ' Check that the data file can be opened and recognized.
                Set dbs = wks.OpenDatabase(strDataFile, cbooDbOpenExclusive, cbooDbOpenReadOnly)
                booClosed = False
                dbs.Close
                booClosed = True
                booSuccess = True
              End If
            End If
          End If
        End If
      End If
    End If
    If booClosed = False Then
      dbs.Close
    End If
    If booSuccess = False Then
      ' For some reason something failed.
      If Len(Dir(strDataFile, vbNormal)) = 0 Then
        ' Data file is lost.
        ' Copy back the backup file if it exists.
        If Len(Dir(strBackFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
          FileCopy strBackFile, strDataFile
        End If
      End If
    End If
  End If
  
  Set dbs = Nothing
  Set wks = Nothing
  
  DatabaseCompact = booSuccess
  
Exit_DatabaseCompact:
  Exit Function
  
Err_DatabaseCompact:
  MsgBox CStr(Err.Number) & ": " & Err.Description, vbCritical + vbOKOnly, "Database Compact"
  Resume Exit_DatabaseCompact
  
End Function

</code>

As always, beware of line breaks.

/gustav


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  2 07:53:42 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 08:53:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Weakest Link
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F1@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEMEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I have a client running about 25 Access FEs against an MDB BE.  He has a
single server, and of course must use a single server at least for the BE if
we don't get into replication.  The server is Windows NT, not even 2K.  He
just expanded into another wing of the building they rent and are going to
move one unit of the business (and database) into that wing.  Can he run
multiple NICS in Windows NT?  That would allow him to put a switch (or
router) on what would essentially be two different LANs.  They don't really
have any inter workstation traffic so this would probably work if NT can
deal with more than one NIC.  I know that they have (or had) bandwidth
issues because when they replaced a hub with a switch awhile back the
performance of the db improved.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 3:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


The weakest link in a network will decide the bandwith.

If you only have one server all trafic goes to and comes from one link.
If that link is the same speed as the clients link a switch is of no
use. You gonna have a bottleneck.

Again, switch are very good but you must have a different server speed
link OR multiple servers. By that your bandwith gets divided over
multiple or higer speed links.

Switches are useles (for reaons of speed) in a single server and only 1
speed link.

It's a basic rule of a switch!!!

Erwin



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  2 07:57:21 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 08:57:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
In-Reply-To: <765336573.20031102111142@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEMEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Gustav,

I was under the impression that Access stored query results etc internal to
the FE.  What happens if you write protect the FE?  You say temporary data
will be written to temporary files?  What does this mean?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 5:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact


Hi Tony

> I have a program designed for a client that runs basically 24 hours a
> day, 7 days a week collecting and processing data. Is it possible to
> schedule a once weekly repair and compact operation on both the frontend
> and backend (or even for now just the backend). There is a lag/idle time
> between 1AM and 4AM, when no data is collected or processed. Any
> direction to available code, ideas or programs would be appreciated.
> Thank you.

1. If you write protect the front end database file (before launching
it) there's no need to compact it as, in that case, Access's temporary
data always will be written to external files.

2. If you don't have any open connections from the front end to the
back end, you can safely open the back end in a separate workspace and
compact it. To make sure that no other app has open connections to the
back end, let your compacting app open the back end exclusively; if
this fails don't continue.

3. Don't apply Repair for routine maintenance. This is a general
advice not invented by me, but I've never seen a need for it except
for corrupted database files and then JetComp.exe is a better first
attempt.

Re. 1. Write protecting an app will cause a message about this to pop
up at launch. This can be avoided by running the app from a runtime
installation.

Re. 2. The difficult part is not to compact the database file - it's a
couple of code lines only. The critical part is to create and keep
track of backup files in case something fails.

Here's a function which handles this. It is a part of a solution which
has run for several years and also handles archiving to a cab or zip
file and ftp'ing this to a remote server. The backup routine is
triggered by a timer function on the main form.

<code>

Public Function DatabaseCompact( _
  ByVal strDataFile As String) As Boolean

  Const cbooDbOpenExclusive As Boolean = True
  Const cbooDbOpenReadOnly  As Boolean = True
  Const cbytDbFileExtLength As Byte = 3
  Const cstrDbFileExtBackup As String * cbytDbFileExtLength = "mdk"
  Const cstrDbFileExtTemp   As String * cbytDbFileExtLength = "tmp"

  Dim wks             As Workspace
  Dim dbs             As Database

  Dim strBackFile     As String
  Dim strTempFile     As String
  Dim strDataFilePath As String
  Dim strDataFileName As String
  Dim intDataFileName As Integer
  Dim booClosed       As Boolean
  Dim booSuccess      As Boolean

  On Error GoTo Err_DatabaseCompact

  strDataFileName = Dir(strDataFile, vbNormal)
  intDataFileName = Len(strDataFileName)
  If intDataFileName = 0 Then
    ' No data file to process.
  Else
    ' Data file exists.
    strDataFilePath = Left(strDataFile, Len(strDataFile) - intDataFileName)
    strBackFile = Left(strDataFile, Len(strDataFile) - cbytDbFileExtLength)
& cstrDbFileExtBackup
    strTempFile = Left(strDataFile, Len(strDataFile) - cbytDbFileExtLength)
& cstrDbFileExtTemp
    Set wks = DBEngine(0)
    Set dbs = wks.OpenDatabase(strDataFile, cbooDbOpenExclusive,
cbooDbOpenReadOnly)
    ' No error. Database file can be opened exclusively, thus no open
connections.
    ' Keep it open to prevent access from other users while compacting it.
    If Len(Dir(strBackFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
      ' Delete old backup file.
      Kill strBackFile
    End If
    If Len(Dir(strBackFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
      ' Old backup file could not be deleted.
    Else
      ' Create copy for further processing.
      FileCopy strDataFile, strBackFile
      If Len(Dir(strBackFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
        If Len(Dir(strTempFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
          ' Kill left-over temp file.
          Kill strTempFile
        End If
        If Len(Dir(strTempFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
          ' Old temp file could not be deleted.
        Else
          ' Compact backup file to a temporary file.
          DBEngine.CompactDatabase strBackFile, strTempFile, dbLangNorwDan
          If Len(Dir(strTempFile, vbNormal)) = 0 Then
            ' Compact failed somehow.
          Else
            ' Temporary file was created.
            ' Close database and delete current data file leaving backup
file.
            dbs.Close
            booClosed = True
            Kill strDataFile
            If Len(Dir(strDataFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
              ' Current data file was not deleted.
              ' Clean up.
              Kill strTempFile
            Else
              ' Current data file is gone.
              ' Rename temporary data file as new data file.
              Name strTempFile As strDataFile
              If Len(Dir(strDataFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
                ' Temporary file was renamed successfully.
                ' Check that the data file can be opened and recognized.
                Set dbs = wks.OpenDatabase(strDataFile, cbooDbOpenExclusive,
cbooDbOpenReadOnly)
                booClosed = False
                dbs.Close
                booClosed = True
                booSuccess = True
              End If
            End If
          End If
        End If
      End If
    End If
    If booClosed = False Then
      dbs.Close
    End If
    If booSuccess = False Then
      ' For some reason something failed.
      If Len(Dir(strDataFile, vbNormal)) = 0 Then
        ' Data file is lost.
        ' Copy back the backup file if it exists.
        If Len(Dir(strBackFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
          FileCopy strBackFile, strDataFile
        End If
      End If
    End If
  End If

  Set dbs = Nothing
  Set wks = Nothing

  DatabaseCompact = booSuccess

Exit_DatabaseCompact:
  Exit Function

Err_DatabaseCompact:
  MsgBox CStr(Err.Number) & ": " & Err.Description, vbCritical + vbOKOnly,
"Database Compact"
  Resume Exit_DatabaseCompact

End Function

</code>

As always, beware of line breaks.

/gustav

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  2 08:19:14 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:19:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEMEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEMEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <6520188649.20031102151914@cactus.dk>

Hi John

> I was under the impression that Access stored query results etc internal to
> the FE.

Yes, within certain limits which I'm not aware of. Beyond that - say
for running a large query - temp data are always stored in temp files.

> What happens if you write protect the FE?  You say temporary data
> will be written to temporary files?  What does this mean?

Exactly that. Access seems to be clever enough to realize when the FE
is run write protected - which happens, say, when you open it directly
from a cd-rom. Then temp data goes to the temp folder where they truly
belong. 
Also, saving reports with weird printer settings are avoided this way.

Of course, write protecting the file cannot be used if you write to
internal tables. But - as you know - it is very simple to create a
temporary database if you need to write some data which should not go
into the BE file.
On the other hand write protection, by definition, effectively stops
any bloating or corruption of the FE. 

/gustav


From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Sun Nov  2 08:35:04 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 06:35:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F2@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <20031102143504.25706.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com>

And they improve speed.

Because they do not SHARE the bandwidth amongst the
ports.  A 10-BaseT hub SHARES that speed amongst the
available ports.  This dividing the individual
bandwidth per port.

A switch allocates all available bandwidth on a PER
PORT basis.

Maybe you need to learn what you are talking about
before you give out false information.

--- Erwin Craps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> And to be correct, switches don't improve speed
> (compared to hub's) they
> improve bandwith and reduce collisions!!!
> Switches create virtual point to point connections.
> 
> Switches do improve speed compared to routers.
> 
> Erwin
> 
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens
> Frank Tanner III
> Verzonden: zaterdag 1 november 2003 16:23
> Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> Switches will ALWAYS improve your speed over hubs.
> Period.
> 
> Hubs SHARE the same bandwidth on all ports. 
> Switches
> allocate the max bandwidth per port.
> 
> You are incorrect.
> 
> --- Erwin Craps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> > But switches have no sense in a 1 server
> environment
> > because all of the
> > trafic goes and comes from one point.
> > Unless your clients are 100Mb and the uplink to
> the
> > server is 1Gb.
> > 
> > People often believe switches will improve their
> > network speed, but that
> > is not always the case.
> > But indeed the prices of the switches have dropped
> > that you buy a switch
> > at the price of a good hub these days.
> > 
> > Erwin
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> > - Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:55 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> > 
> > 
> > Got it. I think.  Switch can route packet based on
> > IP address but can't
> > generate an IP address.  Yes?
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> > 
> > 
> > > It is sort of half-way, but not really.
> > >
> > > Switches are a "generation" better.  Hubs and
> > > switches, on their most basic level perform the
> > same function.  They
> > > distribute network traffic.  But HOW they
> > distribute that traffic is
> > > fundimentally different.
> > >
> > > Unless they're one of the newer layer 3 or layer
> 4 switches, they 
> > > cannot perform routing functions.
> > They
> > > just hand packets off from point A to point B.
> > Think
> > > of them as sort of a postman.  They have an
> > address
> > > for each device on the network and they hand off
> > each
> > > piece of mail to the appropriate address.  A
> hub,
> > > using this sama analagy would deliver the same
> > piece
> > > of mail to every house and the one that it
> > belonged to
> > > would be the one that actually reads it.
> > >
> > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > "but it's as close as I could think of without
> > > > getting too technical."
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.  Much appreciated.  So a switch is
> > like
> > > > halfway between a hub and
> > > > a router?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:36 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > (sort
> > > > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > A router and a switch are fundimentall
> > different
> > > > > things.
> > > > >
> > > > > A router does just that.  It routes network
> > > > traffic.
> > > > >
> > > > > A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.
> > > > >
> > > > > Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and
> > layer 4
> > > > > ones can perform both functions.This isn't
> an
> > > > exact
> > > > > definition, but it's as close as I could
> think
> > of
> > > > > without getting too technical.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Is there a difference between a switch and
> a
> > > > router?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rocky
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and
> > problem
> > > > > > solving"
> > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless
> network
> > > > (sort
> > > > > > of)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address
> of
> > any
> > > > > > device
> > > > > > > or server connected to your LAN that's
> not
> > a workstation and
> > > > > > > is virtually always on.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For the price, I would also highly
> > recommend
> > > > > > removing
> > > > > > > all hubs from your network and using
> them
> > as doorstops.
> > > > > > > Switches have come way down in
> > > > price
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all
> > ports.
> > > > Thus
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all
> ports
> > > > that
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A
> 
=== message truncated ===


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  2 08:51:32 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:51:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <20031102143504.25706.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031102143504.25706.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9522126135.20031102155132@cactus.dk>

Please, can't this never-ending "mine is bigger than yours" be moved
to the techno list - or better: to the eternal fields of bits?

/gustav


> Maybe you need to learn what you are talking about
> before you give out false information.

>> You are incorrect.

> === message truncated ===


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Nov  2 08:57:08 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 09:57:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Weakest Link
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEMEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000401c3a151$96bcbbc0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...yes he can run multiple nics, but why the extra h/w ...you can run
multiple subnets off the same NT nic ...and he can certainly run multiple
co-located servers with one be without replication :(

...your real issue appears to be db performance ...assuming he's already
running a 100Mb Ethernet and has no nic/cabling problems, then your real
answer lies in a server upgrade of one sort or another.

...personally I'd persuade him to upgrade to W2K Server OS with a minimum of
1Gb of ram, the more the merrier ...the server h/w, other than the ram is
not as critical as the server os ime unless his HDs are prehistoric ...W2K
Server runs circles around NT, especially in reliability, and NT support is
going away ...and if he has about $8-10K to spend I'd persuade him to go
with a new Dell server with a 25 cal SBS2K OS which includes SQL Server
...plus a free upgrade to W2003 Server (only AFTER the first SP though).

...given the costs involved in the different approaches, his TOC bottom line
is going to be lower with a new server since his maintenance costs will drop
dramatically with the W2K Server vs NT, even on essentially the same box
assuming its not stone aged ...plus you could immediately give him the
benefits of a SQL Server be.

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:53 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Weakest Link


> I have a client running about 25 Access FEs against an MDB BE.  He has a
> single server, and of course must use a single server at least for the BE
if
> we don't get into replication.  The server is Windows NT, not even 2K.  He
> just expanded into another wing of the building they rent and are going to
> move one unit of the business (and database) into that wing.  Can he run
> multiple NICS in Windows NT?  That would allow him to put a switch (or
> router) on what would essentially be two different LANs.  They don't
really
> have any inter workstation traffic so this would probably work if NT can
> deal with more than one NIC.  I know that they have (or had) bandwidth
> issues because when they replaced a hub with a switch awhile back the
> performance of the db improved.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 3:36 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> The weakest link in a network will decide the bandwith.
>
> If you only have one server all trafic goes to and comes from one link.
> If that link is the same speed as the clients link a switch is of no
> use. You gonna have a bottleneck.
>
> Again, switch are very good but you must have a different server speed
> link OR multiple servers. By that your bandwith gets divided over
> multiple or higer speed links.
>
> Switches are useles (for reaons of speed) in a single server and only 1
> speed link.
>
> It's a basic rule of a switch!!!
>
> Erwin
>
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Nov  2 08:59:42 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 09:59:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
References: <20031102143504.25706.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com>
	<9522126135.20031102155132@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000f01c3a151$f28c26c0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...amen :(

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> Please, can't this never-ending "mine is bigger than yours" be moved
> to the techno list - or better: to the eternal fields of bits?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Maybe you need to learn what you are talking about
> > before you give out false information.
>
> >> You are incorrect.
>
> > === message truncated ===
>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  2 09:19:05 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 10:19:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Weakest Link
In-Reply-To: <000401c3a151$96bcbbc0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEMIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

William,

>...yes he can run multiple nics, but why the extra h/w ...you can run
multiple subnets off the same NT nic

In the end the bandwidth at the connector of the NIC is 100 mbits.  Two NICS
means TWO 100 mbit networks, not one 100 mbit lan.

>and he can certainly run multiple co-located servers with one be without
replication

What the hell is a co-located server?  There is an MDB that all 25
workstations are trying to get data out of, a single file.

>...your real issue appears to be db performance

This is absolutely true.  They want to so some stuff that just pulls a lot
of data however, and in this kind of situation a lot of data is a lot of
bandwidth times a lot of users.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 9:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Weakest Link


...yes he can run multiple nics, but why the extra h/w ...you can run
multiple subnets off the same NT nic ...and he can certainly run multiple
co-located servers with one be without replication :(

...your real issue appears to be db performance ...assuming he's already
running a 100Mb Ethernet and has no nic/cabling problems, then your real
answer lies in a server upgrade of one sort or another.

...personally I'd persuade him to upgrade to W2K Server OS with a minimum of
1Gb of ram, the more the merrier ...the server h/w, other than the ram is
not as critical as the server os ime unless his HDs are prehistoric ...W2K
Server runs circles around NT, especially in reliability, and NT support is
going away ...and if he has about $8-10K to spend I'd persuade him to go
with a new Dell server with a 25 cal SBS2K OS which includes SQL Server
...plus a free upgrade to W2003 Server (only AFTER the first SP though).

...given the costs involved in the different approaches, his TOC bottom line
is going to be lower with a new server since his maintenance costs will drop
dramatically with the W2K Server vs NT, even on essentially the same box
assuming its not stone aged ...plus you could immediately give him the
benefits of a SQL Server be.

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:53 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Weakest Link


> I have a client running about 25 Access FEs against an MDB BE.  He has a
> single server, and of course must use a single server at least for the BE
if
> we don't get into replication.  The server is Windows NT, not even 2K.  He
> just expanded into another wing of the building they rent and are going to
> move one unit of the business (and database) into that wing.  Can he run
> multiple NICS in Windows NT?  That would allow him to put a switch (or
> router) on what would essentially be two different LANs.  They don't
really
> have any inter workstation traffic so this would probably work if NT can
> deal with more than one NIC.  I know that they have (or had) bandwidth
> issues because when they replaced a hub with a switch awhile back the
> performance of the db improved.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com




From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Sun Nov  2 09:26:55 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 07:26:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <9522126135.20031102155132@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <20031102152655.84721.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>

It has nothing to do with "mine is bigger than yours".

It has to do with him spreading false information as
the truth.

How would you respond if people were spreading
misinformation about Access?

--- Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Please, can't this never-ending "mine is bigger than
> yours" be moved
> to the techno list - or better: to the eternal
> fields of bits?
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > Maybe you need to learn what you are talking about
> > before you give out false information.
> 
> >> You are incorrect.
> 
> > === message truncated ===
> 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  2 09:51:27 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 10:51:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] defining constants as hex numbers
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEMLFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

how do you force VB to consider a number hex?  I thought there was something
like h0f but I can't get it to work and NOT help isn't.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Sun Nov  2 10:28:06 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 11:28:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <9522126135.20031102155132@cactus.dk>
References: <20031102143504.25706.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3FA4EA46.30655.2439D7@localhost>

On 2 Nov 2003 at 15:51, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Please, can't this never-ending "mine is bigger than yours" be moved
> to the techno list - or better: to the eternal fields of bits?

Just like I asked when this thread FIRST showed up!!

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Stupid questions are better than stupid mistakes. - Japanese proverb



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Nov  2 10:53:51 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 08:53:51 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Info: Jet SP 8.0 is out
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F7A7@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
	<3F9993CF.3030603@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <004401c3a161$e4d91f00$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Marty:

Belated questions, maybe you know - if I install SP8 and send an app to a
client who is on an earlier SP can this cause problems at the client site?

Regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:04 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Info: Jet SP 8.0 is out


> Went looking for version SP 7.0 of Jet and got redirected.to 8.0
>
> Information about Jet 4.0 Service Pack 8
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=829558
>
> How To: Obtain the Latest Service Pack for the Microsoft Jet 4.0
> Database Engine
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;239114#11
>
> To find what Jet Service Pack you are running
> On the Start menu, click Search.
> In the Search Results pane, click All files and folders under Search
> Companion.
> In the All or part of the file name box, type msjet40.dll, and then
> click Search.
> In the list of files, right-click the Msjet40.dll file that is located
> in the Windows\System32 (or Windows\System) folder, and then click
> Properties.
> Click the Version tab, and then use the following table to determine the
> current Jet 4.0 service pack level:
> Msjet40.dll Version Jet 4.0 Service Pack Level
> 4.0.2927.4 Service Pack 3 (SP3)
> 4.0.3714.7 Service Pack 4 (SP4)
> 4.0.4431.1 or 4.0.4431.3 Service Pack 5 (SP5)
> 4.0.6218.0 Service Pack 6 (SP6)
> 4.0.6807.0 Service Pack 6 (SP6) shipped only with Windows Server 2003
> 4.0.7328.0 Service Pack 7 (SP7)
> 4.0.8015.0 Service Pack 8 (SP8)
>
> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
>
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From fahooper at trapo.com  Sun Nov  2 11:00:44 2003
From: fahooper at trapo.com (Fred Hooper)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 12:00:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
In-Reply-To: <3FA2ECB0.30B2FC4C@nanaimo.ark.com>
Message-ID: <000501c3a162$db41dee0$a81d0e44@fred>

I had a similar requirement but needed to be sure that the program kept
running within the same original job. I solved it with another mdb. The
other one has a table where I put information on what to do from the main
program. So when I closed the main one and started the other one, the other
one compacted and repaired the back end. As the back end will sometimes be
on another server for me, I used (the free) PsExec from www.sysinternals.com
to start a batch file there.

Fred Hooper

|-----Original Message-----
|From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
|[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
|Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:14 PM
|To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
|Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
|
|
|Hey All
|I have a program designed for a client that runs basically 24 
|hours a day, 7 days a week collecting and processing data. Is 
|it possible to schedule a once weekly repair and compact 
|operation on both the frontend and backend (or even for now 
|just the backend). There is a lag/idle time between 1AM and 
|4AM, when no data is collected or processed. Any direction to 
|available code, ideas or programs would be appreciated. Thank you.
|
|_______________________________________________
|AccessD mailing list
|AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
|http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/ac|cessd
|Website: 
|http://www.databaseadvisors.com
|


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Nov  2 11:29:48 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 12:29:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Weakest Link
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEMIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001001c3a166$ea800360$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

****inline :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 10:19 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Weakest Link


> William,
>
> >...yes he can run multiple nics, but why the extra h/w ...you can run
> multiple subnets off the same NT nic
>
> In the end the bandwidth at the connector of the NIC is 100 mbits.  Two
NICS
> means TWO 100 mbit networks, not one 100 mbit lan.

****and you think an NT server can service two 100Mb nets any faster?
>
> >and he can certainly run multiple co-located servers with one be without
> replication
>
> What the hell is a co-located server?  There is an MDB that all 25
> workstations are trying to get data out of, a single file.

****one server doing OS functions while a co-located one works as the file
server with most of its processor and memory dedicated to servicing your be.
>
> >...your real issue appears to be db performance
>
> This is absolutely true.  They want to so some stuff that just pulls a lot
> of data however, and in this kind of situation a lot of data is a lot of
> bandwidth times a lot of users.

****hard to believe that a 100Mb lan is b/w limited w/25 users regardless of
the db demands ...the real limit is almost always in the processor, memory,
and/or HD access ...none of which are affected by how many nics you are
using ...by your theory, I could just add a nic any old time I needed to
speed things up :)
William
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 9:57 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Weakest Link
>
>
> ...yes he can run multiple nics, but why the extra h/w ...you can run
> multiple subnets off the same NT nic ...and he can certainly run multiple
> co-located servers with one be without replication :(
>
> ...your real issue appears to be db performance ...assuming he's already
> running a 100Mb Ethernet and has no nic/cabling problems, then your real
> answer lies in a server upgrade of one sort or another.
>
> ...personally I'd persuade him to upgrade to W2K Server OS with a minimum
of
> 1Gb of ram, the more the merrier ...the server h/w, other than the ram is
> not as critical as the server os ime unless his HDs are prehistoric ...W2K
> Server runs circles around NT, especially in reliability, and NT support
is
> going away ...and if he has about $8-10K to spend I'd persuade him to go
> with a new Dell server with a 25 cal SBS2K OS which includes SQL Server
> ...plus a free upgrade to W2003 Server (only AFTER the first SP though).
>
> ...given the costs involved in the different approaches, his TOC bottom
line
> is going to be lower with a new server since his maintenance costs will
drop
> dramatically with the W2K Server vs NT, even on essentially the same box
> assuming its not stone aged ...plus you could immediately give him the
> benefits of a SQL Server be.
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:53 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Weakest Link
>
>
> > I have a client running about 25 Access FEs against an MDB BE.  He has a
> > single server, and of course must use a single server at least for the
BE
> if
> > we don't get into replication.  The server is Windows NT, not even 2K.
He
> > just expanded into another wing of the building they rent and are going
to
> > move one unit of the business (and database) into that wing.  Can he run
> > multiple NICS in Windows NT?  That would allow him to put a switch (or
> > router) on what would essentially be two different LANs.  They don't
> really
> > have any inter workstation traffic so this would probably work if NT can
> > deal with more than one NIC.  I know that they have (or had) bandwidth
> > issues because when they replaced a hub with a switch awhile back the
> > performance of the db improved.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
>
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From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com  Sat Nov  1 18:30:12 2003
From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 16:30:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 Repair and Compact
Message-ID: <3FA45013.23B22CFE@nanaimo.ark.com>

Hey All
Did a little mock up using Dev's compacter.mda(mde) for compacting the
frontend.  Added some code to allow for the compacting of the backend
also and a scheduler/timer ability. Seems to be working quite nicely.
The program is  not any "rocket science" (1 user, no network), still
needs checking for users logged on, scheduling by day, week, biweekly
etc., backing up front and backends first before compacting etc. etc.
But as I said the little mockup seems to be working nicely compacting
both the front and back end at a scheduled time and returning to the
program all in one automated step.  Still got to do more testing and
additions.
Thanks for all your help and suggestions.


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Nov  2 17:12:50 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 09:12:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] defining constants as hex numbers
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEMLFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3FA61C12.22982.1A3CC4@localhost>

On 2 Nov 2003 at 10:51, John Colby wrote:

> how do you force VB to consider a number hex?  I thought there was something
> like h0f but I can't get it to work and NOT help isn't.
> 
&H
 
-- 
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http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  2 18:27:45 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 19:27:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] defining constants as hex numbers
In-Reply-To: <3FA61C12.22982.1A3CC4@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOENIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 6:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] defining constants as hex numbers


On 2 Nov 2003 at 10:51, John Colby wrote:

> how do you force VB to consider a number hex?  I thought there was
something
> like h0f but I can't get it to work and NOT help isn't.
>
&H

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sun Nov  2 19:41:09 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 17:41:09 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Info: Jet SP 8.0 is out
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F7A7@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
 <3F9993CF.3030603@shaw.ca> <004401c3a161$e4d91f00$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <3FA5B235.6070502@shaw.ca>

In so much as you might not have written a code workaround to get a 
problem corrected in a later SP, you will have a problem. For example: 
:After you compact and repair a database that includes a table that has 
an AutoNumber field, you notice that when you enter new data, the 
AutoNumber is a duplicate of an earlier AutoNumber. This is fixed by 
SP4. You won't see the error developing in SP8, but if your client is 
still on SP3 she will. Or for example SP7 gets around problems of 
importing paradox and dbase files. MS and Borland kissed and made up so 
it is was fixed in SP7.  To find the errors corrected by SPs you will 
have to find the KB associated with each SP. Ha Ha Ha .Giggle They keep 
switching them every six months.

. To apply SP 8 it goes with Win 2003, 2000 and XP otherwise use SP7 for 
lower OS.
To apply either you need at least SP3 installed. The SP's are cumulative 
so that SP7 has all the fixes of SP7 thru SP4. There is also a seperate 
SP for replication and SP7. SP 8 fixes Access/Oracle problems.

There is a list here to determine your SP level from Version number of 
msjet40.dll
How To: Obtain the Latest Service Pack for the Microsoft Jet 4.0 
Database Engine
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;239114

SP7 here
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q282010
Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:

>Marty:
>
>Belated questions, maybe you know - if I install SP8 and send an app to a
>client who is on an earlier SP can this cause problems at the client site?
>
>Regards,
>
>Rocky Smolin
>Beach Access Software
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:04 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Info: Jet SP 8.0 is out
>
>
>  
>
>>Went looking for version SP 7.0 of Jet and got redirected.to 8.0
>>
>>Information about Jet 4.0 Service Pack 8
>>http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=829558
>>
>>How To: Obtain the Latest Service Pack for the Microsoft Jet 4.0
>>Database Engine
>>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;239114#11
>>
>>To find what Jet Service Pack you are running
>>On the Start menu, click Search.
>>In the Search Results pane, click All files and folders under Search
>>Companion.
>>In the All or part of the file name box, type msjet40.dll, and then
>>click Search.
>>In the list of files, right-click the Msjet40.dll file that is located
>>in the Windows\System32 (or Windows\System) folder, and then click
>>Properties.
>>Click the Version tab, and then use the following table to determine the
>>current Jet 4.0 service pack level:
>>Msjet40.dll Version Jet 4.0 Service Pack Level
>>4.0.2927.4 Service Pack 3 (SP3)
>>4.0.3714.7 Service Pack 4 (SP4)
>>4.0.4431.1 or 4.0.4431.3 Service Pack 5 (SP5)
>>4.0.6218.0 Service Pack 6 (SP6)
>>4.0.6807.0 Service Pack 6 (SP6) shipped only with Windows Server 2003
>>4.0.7328.0 Service Pack 7 (SP7)
>>4.0.8015.0 Service Pack 8 (SP8)
>>
>>-- 
>>Marty Connelly
>>Victoria, B.C.
>>Canada
>>
>>
>>
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Canada




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sun Nov  2 19:43:47 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 17:43:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] defining constants as hex numbers
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEMLFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3FA5B2D3.4010906@shaw.ca>

Sub ones()
Dim iTest As Integer
Dim inum As Integer
Dim lnum As Long
Dim hexvalue As String
hexvalue = "8A"
iTest = 255
inum = Val("&H" & hexvalue) ' hex 8A
lnum = inum Xor iTest
Debug.Print "lnum=" & lnum & "hex=" & Hex(lnum)
 
End Sub

John Colby wrote:

>how do you force VB to consider a number hex?  I thought there was something
>like h0f but I can't get it to work and NOT help isn't.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Sun Nov  2 20:29:02 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:29:02 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Weakest Link
In-Reply-To: <001001c3a166$ea800360$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuUkQn8A@pacific.net.hk>

It is usually better to run some tests to see what is the weakest link before
jumping to conclusions.

NT, has a utility called perfmon (performance monitor) where you can set up and
monitor various stats.  Occasionally a simple memory upgrade may resolve
performance issues where the server is paging continuously.

What you really need to determine is whether it is the LAN or the server that is
the main issue.  If your network is constantly running maxed out, then maybe a
second NIC is the answer.  

Though I agree with William that Win2K runs rings around winNT in terms of ease
of maintenance.  NT can also a right PITA for installing new gear.  I've also
set up win2k server for VPN service between a clients offices between here and
Tokyo running on an old Pentium Pro with 96 MB of ram (they didn't want to spend
the money on a new box, so a replaced fileserver got the job).  After hacking
out services to get the memory footprint down it hasn't had a hickup in over 6
months of use.  Just goes to show that win2k can also run on older gear, though
I'd not recommend that for a heavily used system.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> William Hindman
> Sent: Monday, 03 November, 2003 1:30 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Weakest Link
> 
> 
> ****inline :)
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 10:19 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Weakest Link
> 
> 
> > William,
> >
> > >...yes he can run multiple nics, but why the extra h/w 
> ...you can run
> > multiple subnets off the same NT nic
> >
> > In the end the bandwidth at the connector of the NIC is 100 
> mbits.  Two
> NICS
> > means TWO 100 mbit networks, not one 100 mbit lan.
> 
> ****and you think an NT server can service two 100Mb nets any faster?
> >
> > >and he can certainly run multiple co-located servers with 
> one be without
> > replication
> >
> > What the hell is a co-located server?  There is an MDB that all 25
> > workstations are trying to get data out of, a single file.
> 
> ****one server doing OS functions while a co-located one 
> works as the file
> server with most of its processor and memory dedicated to 
> servicing your be.
> >
> > >...your real issue appears to be db performance
> >
> > This is absolutely true.  They want to so some stuff that 
> just pulls a lot
> > of data however, and in this kind of situation a lot of 
> data is a lot of
> > bandwidth times a lot of users.
> 
> ****hard to believe that a 100Mb lan is b/w limited w/25 
> users regardless of
> the db demands ...the real limit is almost always in the 
> processor, memory,
> and/or HD access ...none of which are affected by how many 
> nics you are
> using ...by your theory, I could just add a nic any old time 
> I needed to
> speed things up :)
> William
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 9:57 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Weakest Link
> >
> >
> > ...yes he can run multiple nics, but why the extra h/w 
> ...you can run
> > multiple subnets off the same NT nic ...and he can 
> certainly run multiple
> > co-located servers with one be without replication :(
> >
> > ...your real issue appears to be db performance ...assuming 
> he's already
> > running a 100Mb Ethernet and has no nic/cabling problems, 
> then your real
> > answer lies in a server upgrade of one sort or another.
> >
> > ...personally I'd persuade him to upgrade to W2K Server OS 
> with a minimum
> of
> > 1Gb of ram, the more the merrier ...the server h/w, other 
> than the ram is
> > not as critical as the server os ime unless his HDs are 
> prehistoric ...W2K
> > Server runs circles around NT, especially in reliability, 
> and NT support
> is
> > going away ...and if he has about $8-10K to spend I'd 
> persuade him to go
> > with a new Dell server with a 25 cal SBS2K OS which 
> includes SQL Server
> > ...plus a free upgrade to W2003 Server (only AFTER the 
> first SP though).
> >
> > ...given the costs involved in the different approaches, 
> his TOC bottom
> line
> > is going to be lower with a new server since his 
> maintenance costs will
> drop
> > dramatically with the W2K Server vs NT, even on essentially 
> the same box
> > assuming its not stone aged ...plus you could immediately 
> give him the
> > benefits of a SQL Server be.
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:53 AM
> > Subject: [AccessD] Weakest Link
> >
> >
> > > I have a client running about 25 Access FEs against an 
> MDB BE.  He has a
> > > single server, and of course must use a single server at 
> least for the
> BE
> > if
> > > we don't get into replication.  The server is Windows NT, 
> not even 2K.
> He
> > > just expanded into another wing of the building they rent 
> and are going
> to
> > > move one unit of the business (and database) into that 
> wing.  Can he run
> > > multiple NICS in Windows NT?  That would allow him to put 
> a switch (or
> > > router) on what would essentially be two different LANs.  
> They don't
> > really
> > > have any inter workstation traffic so this would probably 
> work if NT can
> > > deal with more than one NIC.  I know that they have (or 
> had) bandwidth
> > > issues because when they replaced a hub with a switch 
> awhile back the
> > > performance of the db improved.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
> >
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Mon Nov  3 01:33:30 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 23:33:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEJCFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEJCFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3FA604CA.1020200@verizon.net>

Aerocool's DP101 is a neat idea, I have not ordered it but am gonna,
http://www.amdmb.com/article-display.php?ArticleID=242
according to this review by AMD MB, it's a very good well performing cpu 
cooler that is no louder than a soft whisper, in my pc I have volcano 7 
and while I don't mind it, my wife does, and has threatened to cut all 
power to my pc. :D

John Colby wrote:

> I just thought I'd share a tip.
> 
> I build my own computers from parts.  About two years ago now I bought these
> rather nice cases, bought motherboards with AMD 1333 mhz thunderbird procs
> and used Thermaltake volcanoes in them plus 3 case fans (plus two in the
> power supply).  Needless to say it was NOISY!!!
> 
> So noisy I couldn't hear a phone conversation.
> 
> I finally decided I'd had enough.  I found a HSF called the Thermaltake
> Silent Boost.  NICE!  All copper, 80mm low noise fan.  Almost silent.  That
> got rid of the jet engine sound from the 60mm 4500 rpm fans on the old HSF,
> but the case fans were still pretty loud.  I was just about to order low
> noise variable speed fans when I ran across this article:
> http://www.cpemma.co.uk/7volt.html
> 
> I decided since it was free and immediate (I'm a right now kinda guy) I'd go
> ahead and try it.  Essentially you build a cable (don't panic, it's easy)
> that feeds 7 volts to the fan instead of the normal 12, which reduces the
> fan speed (and air volume) which reduces the noise (and air volume).
> 
> As long as the remaining air volume is sufficient to keep the case cool all
> is fine.  I have 3 case fans anyway, 1 intake and 2 exhaust.  It turns out
> that the temperature on the proc went up from ~104 f to 107 f idle.  Not too
> bad actually.  And the difference in noise between the new HSF and lower
> voltage to the case fans is immense.  Not dead silent by any means but quiet
> now instead of sounding like the cleaning lady with a vacuum in my ear.
> 
> Saved myself ~$40-$50 on new case fans.  Check it out, it worked for me.
> http://www.cpemma.co.uk/7volt.html
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov  3 01:46:35 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 23:46:35 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <3FA604CA.1020200@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEFNCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I can not remember or
find the related code. (Advanced years and all)

Can you set up Access to, under program control to run/display any file that
the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf file, spreadsheet
or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each type. I have
written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there must be any easier
way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web page can do this
but can an Access program?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

MTIA
Jim



From gmiller at sistersnet.com  Mon Nov  3 02:34:13 2003
From: gmiller at sistersnet.com (Gary Miller)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 00:34:13 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEFNCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <03a201c3a1e5$45cfe0e0$0300a8c0@svreo1>

Jim,

Look up the Shell() function in Help. Sounds like what you
are looking for.

Gary Miller
Sisters, OR

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 11:46 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format


> Hi All:
>
> This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I
can not remember or
> find the related code. (Advanced years and all)
>
> Can you set up Access to, under program control to
run/display any file that
> the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf
file, spreadsheet
> or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each
type. I have
> written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there
must be any easier
> way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web
page can do this
> but can an Access program?
>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
>
> MTIA
> Jim
>
>
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>



From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Mon Nov  3 04:26:12 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:26:12 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEFNCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <00ec01c3a1f4$e7ffd0a0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

What you want is this:

http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0018.htm

Regards

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Jim Lawrence (AccessD)
> Sent: Monday, 03 November, 2003 3:47 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
>
>
> Hi All:
>
> This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I can
> not remember or
> find the related code. (Advanced years and all)
>
> Can you set up Access to, under program control to
> run/display any file that
> the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf
> file, spreadsheet
> or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each
> type. I have
> written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there
> must be any easier
> way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web
> page can do this
> but can an Access program?
>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
>
> MTIA
> Jim
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov  3 04:31:59 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:31:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] defining constants as hex numbers
In-Reply-To: <2400510678138396723d0567@global.net.pg>
References: <2400510678138396723d0567@global.net.pg>
Message-ID: <1709213628.20031103113159@cactus.dk>

Hi John, Stuart

But be careful with values above the max. positive value of a signed
Integer

  &H7FFF

as these evaluates to negative values in VB.
Not even assigning such a value to a constant or a variable declared
as Long will help you.

If you expect, say, 65535 for &HFFFF, add the type declaration sign
for Long: 

  &HFFFF&

or make it initially a Long by adding and subtracting one

  &H10000 - 1

or wrap it, again forcing a Long and taking advantage of &HFFFF as a
fancy way of writing -1

  &H10000 + &HFFFF

The last one is a nice item to add in your box of tools for writing
unreadable code!

/gustav


>> how do you force VB to consider a number hex?  I thought there was something
>> like h0f but I can't get it to work and NOT help isn't.
>> 
> &H


From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov  3 06:22:09 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:22:09 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
Message-ID: <8615823653.20031103132209@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Anyone familiar with these new products and if they somehow relate to
Access?

I've tried to browse some brochures but they are so hyped that it is
just plain impossible to figure out wether these apps are fancy toys
which will bring any machine to a crawl or if they could be useful
tools in cooperation with Access and database applications.

And how are the programmed if you wish to create custom build apps?
I've located this link to a SDK related to InfoPath:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616-93aa-4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en

but it looks like you need to take a deep breath and have a weekend
set aside.

Also, how much are they relying on specific MS server software like
SharePoint or Exchange or pure MS environments or Office 2003 only? If
so, the usefulness is very limited as our clients use a variety of
systems. 

/gustav


From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon Nov  3 06:26:09 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 07:26:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3067BF79@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAFA0@ADGSERVER>

Hi Charlotte,

That was the problem exactly!  Thanks!

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.


This will happen if the file format you have currently selected is Access
2000 but the project was created and checked into VSS in 2002
format.   All you need to do is open a database and change your Access
file format to 2002 then pull a new database out of VSS.  Once you get the
crash, it's a good idea to delete the scc folder for the project so it will
be recreated when you pull the database out.  Otherwise, you sometimes have
problems with whatever caused the crash in the first place.

Charlotte Foust


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  3 08:10:45 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:10:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAFA0@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEOLFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Charlotte,

I would hope there is a better answer than that.  I intentionally leave my
client's dbs in A2K file format since AXP as the compact bug.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.


Hi Charlotte,

That was the problem exactly!  Thanks!

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.


This will happen if the file format you have currently selected is Access
2000 but the project was created and checked into VSS in 2002
format.   All you need to do is open a database and change your Access
file format to 2002 then pull a new database out of VSS.  Once you get the
crash, it's a good idea to delete the scc folder for the project so it will
be recreated when you pull the database out.  Otherwise, you sometimes have
problems with whatever caused the crash in the first place.

Charlotte Foust

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  3 08:14:57 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:14:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] defining constants as hex numbers
In-Reply-To: <1709213628.20031103113159@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEOMFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Gustav,

I am dealing with longs and am doing bit manipulations of individual bits
(which is why I want Hex to begin with) so I must have the ability to deal
with upper bits.  However I avoid the sign bit so I don't really care if it
"makes it negative" as long as it doesn't do so by propagating a 1 through
all of the upper bits such that all of the upper 16 bits are a 1.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] defining constants as hex numbers


Hi John, Stuart

But be careful with values above the max. positive value of a signed
Integer

  &H7FFF

as these evaluates to negative values in VB.
Not even assigning such a value to a constant or a variable declared
as Long will help you.

If you expect, say, 65535 for &HFFFF, add the type declaration sign
for Long:

  &HFFFF&

or make it initially a Long by adding and subtracting one

  &H10000 - 1

or wrap it, again forcing a Long and taking advantage of &HFFFF as a
fancy way of writing -1

  &H10000 + &HFFFF

The last one is a nice item to add in your box of tools for writing
unreadable code!

/gustav


>> how do you force VB to consider a number hex?  I thought there was
something
>> like h0f but I can't get it to work and NOT help isn't.
>>
> &H

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  3 08:21:22 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:21:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
In-Reply-To: <3FA604CA.1020200@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEOMFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Newegg gives a retail price of #32 for the deep impact which would make it a
good buy.  Unfortunately they don't have it in stock.  The thermaltake
silent boost is about the same price and in stock and works wonderfully.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H
Tapia
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 2:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer


Aerocool's DP101 is a neat idea, I have not ordered it but am gonna,
http://www.amdmb.com/article-display.php?ArticleID=242
according to this review by AMD MB, it's a very good well performing cpu
cooler that is no louder than a soft whisper, in my pc I have volcano 7
and while I don't mind it, my wife does, and has threatened to cut all
power to my pc. :D

John Colby wrote:

> I just thought I'd share a tip.
>
> I build my own computers from parts.  About two years ago now I bought
these
> rather nice cases, bought motherboards with AMD 1333 mhz thunderbird procs
> and used Thermaltake volcanoes in them plus 3 case fans (plus two in the
> power supply).  Needless to say it was NOISY!!!
>
> So noisy I couldn't hear a phone conversation.
>
> I finally decided I'd had enough.  I found a HSF called the Thermaltake
> Silent Boost.  NICE!  All copper, 80mm low noise fan.  Almost silent.
That
> got rid of the jet engine sound from the 60mm 4500 rpm fans on the old
HSF,
> but the case fans were still pretty loud.  I was just about to order low
> noise variable speed fans when I ran across this article:
> http://www.cpemma.co.uk/7volt.html
>
> I decided since it was free and immediate (I'm a right now kinda guy) I'd
go
> ahead and try it.  Essentially you build a cable (don't panic, it's easy)
> that feeds 7 volts to the fan instead of the normal 12, which reduces the
> fan speed (and air volume) which reduces the noise (and air volume).
>
> As long as the remaining air volume is sufficient to keep the case cool
all
> is fine.  I have 3 case fans anyway, 1 intake and 2 exhaust.  It turns out
> that the temperature on the proc went up from ~104 f to 107 f idle.  Not
too
> bad actually.  And the difference in noise between the new HSF and lower
> voltage to the case fans is immense.  Not dead silent by any means but
quiet
> now instead of sounding like the cleaning lady with a vacuum in my ear.
>
> Saved myself ~$40-$50 on new case fans.  Check it out, it worked for me.
> http://www.cpemma.co.uk/7volt.html
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov  3 08:41:45 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:41:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
References: <00ec01c3a1f4$e7ffd0a0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <002a01c3a218$9a8f4020$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...hey! ...nice find, works like a charm ...as it happens I have an
immediate use for this little honey ...thanks :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:26 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format


> What you want is this:
>
> http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0018.htm
>
> Regards
>
> Stuart
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Jim Lawrence (AccessD)
> > Sent: Monday, 03 November, 2003 3:47 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
> >
> >
> > Hi All:
> >
> > This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I can
> > not remember or
> > find the related code. (Advanced years and all)
> >
> > Can you set up Access to, under program control to
> > run/display any file that
> > the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf
> > file, spreadsheet
> > or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each
> > type. I have
> > written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there
> > must be any easier
> > way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web
> > page can do this
> > but can an Access program?
> >
> > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> >
> > MTIA
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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>



From serbach at new.rr.com  Mon Nov  3 08:56:42 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 08:56:42 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] How to prevent a mess
Message-ID: <20031103085642.1503239058.serbach@new.rr.com>

Dear Group,

I've been enlightened by Michael Kaplan's explanation of the perils of copying replicas and not going through a proper replication sequence with CD copies back and forth.

The question is: what now? The independent laptops are scattered around the state and its *very* inconvenient for them to come back to do a physical replication. Money to write a custom synchronization process is simply not available.

I note from Kaplan's explanations that if the replicas are unmanaged -- that is, Synchronizer is not used -- then certain types of problems can be avoided. Also problems can be avoided by using the built-in Access methods for moving replicas or by using TSI Synchronizer.

He also mentions using the Briefcase reconciler, but that doesn't exist in Windows 2000 or XP, does it?

I'm trying to avoid creating a mess. The application is in more or less a beta stage now, so we could start from scratch with a new Replication strategy. Any advice?

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI


From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov  3 08:57:07 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:57:07 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] defining constants as hex numbers
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEOMFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEOMFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <13825122033.20031103155707@cactus.dk>

Hi John

OK, I guess you know what you're doing.

I just recall this old example which blows if the trailing "&" is
omitted: 

<code>

    Dim WinVer%
    Dim LoByte%
    Dim HiByte%

    WinVer = GetVersion() And &HFFFF&
    LoByte = WinVer And &HFF   ' major version
    HiByte = WinVer \ &HFF     ' minor version
    
    IsWin95 = (HiByte / 100 + LoByte) >= 3.95

</code

GerVersion returns something like 83910403 for a Win2000 machine.

/gustav


> I am dealing with longs and am doing bit manipulations of individual bits
> (which is why I want Hex to begin with) so I must have the ability to deal
> with upper bits.  However I avoid the sign bit so I don't really care if it
> "makes it negative" as long as it doesn't do so by propagating a 1 through
> all of the upper bits such that all of the upper 16 bits are a 1.


From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Mon Nov  3 09:13:01 2003
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:13:01 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A0330603B@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

Jim,
If you're just wanting to give the ability to open a file from a list, what
I've done in the past is use a continuous form listing the filename and
beside the filename field, add a command button.  Set the Hyperlink Address
of the command button to the path and filename via code in the On Current
property of the form.  Then the user just clicks on the button and the file
is opened by whatever program the extension is registered as.

HTH

Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 1:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format


Hi All:

This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I can not remember or
find the related code. (Advanced years and all)

Can you set up Access to, under program control to run/display any file that
the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf file, spreadsheet
or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each type. I have
written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there must be any easier
way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web page can do this
but can an Access program?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

MTIA
Jim


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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Mon Nov  3 09:17:46 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Mon,  3 Nov 2003 16:17:46 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)
Message-ID: <649944.1067872666630.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006>

To all,
We are operating Office XP Professional and I have started to write a little scheduling application.  Every so often we will have an Excel Workbook containing three spreadsheets, what I need to be able to do is link into the Workbook to bring a certain clients data in from the second sheet.
The fields in the workbook are as follows:
StoreNo, HolidayWeek, Sun, Mon, Tue, Wed, Thur, Fri, Sat
StoreNo contain the store number and if there is a certain week that we cannot go to the store the week commencing date wil be entered under HolidayWeek.  If there is a certain day or multiple days that we cannot go to the store, the individual dates will be stored under the day of the week.
Now I have a tbale with the following fields :
StoreNo, BlackoutWeek, BlackoutDay
I need to link into Excel and bring the data in from the Excel spreadsheet into the table above.
So I may end up with
StoreNo            BlackoutWeek             BlackoutDay
1                                                              27/01/04
1                                                              28/01/04
1                          04/01/04
etc, has anyone any sample code on how to link into the Excel spreadsheet an retrieve the data.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Paul Hartland

From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Mon Nov  3 09:53:36 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Mon,  3 Nov 2003 16:53:36 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Urgent Help Access - Can't Find MSYSDB
Message-ID: <18619615.1067874816000.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>

To all,
We have just had and error message up saying can't find MSysDb, we can't repair it or import tables from this database at all.  Is there a way of restoring the database, to save us going to a backup version ?
Please help as quickly as possible, thanks,
Paul Hartland

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov  3 09:52:50 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 07:52:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <03a201c3a1e5$45cfe0e0$0300a8c0@svreo1>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFIEFPCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Thank you Gary:

I am current researching that specific procedure but each document type must
be prefixed with a path and name of the actual program that will display
them. I was hoping for something that could use the intelligence from the OS
on file extensions.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gary Miller
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 12:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format


Jim,

Look up the Shell() function in Help. Sounds like what you
are looking for.

Gary Miller
Sisters, OR

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 11:46 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format


> Hi All:
>
> This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I
can not remember or
> find the related code. (Advanced years and all)
>
> Can you set up Access to, under program control to
run/display any file that
> the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf
file, spreadsheet
> or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each
type. I have
> written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there
must be any easier
> way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web
page can do this
> but can an Access program?
>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
>
> MTIA
> Jim
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Mon Nov  3 09:59:26 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 09:59:26 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] SubReports
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C7FA@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Ok - what is the trick to selecting a subreport in report design? In 97 all
I had to do is click on the report & it would open for modifications. In A2K
I can't even select the report.

Virginia

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Nov  3 09:02:05 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:02:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
Message-ID: <20031103160200.C8CF224D446@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

I use some API code that came from someone on the list (sorry can't credit
cos can't remember). Very simple. Stick this in a module:

Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "shell32" Alias "ShellExecuteA" (ByVal
hwnd As Long, _
ByVal lpOperation As String, ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters As
String, _
ByVal lpDirectory As String, ByVal nShowCmd As Long) As Long

Function RunApp(strFile As String, bytSize) As Boolean
Dim lngRet As Long
Dim varTaskID As Variant
Dim strRet As String

lngRet = ShellExecute(hWndAccessApp, vbNullString, strFile, vbNullString,
vbNullString, bytSize)
If lngRet > Success Then
strRet = vbNullString
lngRet = -1
RunApp = True
Else
RunApp = False
Select Case lngRet
Case NotRegistered
varTaskID = Shell("rundll32.exe shell32.dll,OpenAs_RunDLL " & strFile,
bytSize)
lngRet = (varTaskID <> 0)
Case InadequateMemory
MsgBox "Error:  Out of Memory/Resources!"
Case FileNotFound
MsgBox "Error:  File not found!"
Case PathNotFound
MsgBox "Error:  Path not found!"
Case BadFormat
MsgBox "Error:  Bad File Format!"
Case 5
MsgBox "Error:  Unauthorized due to Security restrictions!"
End Select
End If
End Function

Then all you do is:

Call RunApp(strfilename,1)

HTH

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
Date: 03/11/03 21:15


Jim,
If you're just wanting to give the ability to open a file from a list, what
I've done in the past is use a continuous form listing the filename and
beside the filename field, add a command button. Set the Hyperlink Address
of the command button to the path and filename via code in the On Current
property of the form. Then the user just clicks on the button and the file
is opened by whatever program the extension is registered as.

HTH

Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 1:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format


Hi All:

This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I can not remember or
find the related code. (Advanced years and all)

Can you set up Access to, under program control to run/display any file that
the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf file, spreadsheet
or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each type. I have
written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there must be any easier
way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web page can do this
but can an Access program?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

MTIA
Jim


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 10:08:13 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:08:13 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227480@main2.marlow.com>

Think of a subnet as a neighborhood.  A network neighborhood.  The subnet
'mask' is a property in TCP/IP, which tells your machine what IP addresses
are around it.  It's a bitmask thing.

192.168.0.1, with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 tells the machine that
192.168.0.1 through 192.168.0.255 are around it.  If the bit is turned on in
the subnet mask, IP Addresses in that subnet must have a matching bit
(either on or off....), if it's turned off in the subnet, that bit in the IP
address can be different.  So 255.255.255.254 for a subnet, is a subnet of 2
machines.

The reason this is important, is because subnets control how much
broadcasting and browsing your machine must do, to locate other computers on
the network.  A subnet of 255.255.0.0 tells your computer there are 65k
machines on the subnet, and more then likely you will never find anything,
because it will eventually give up.  255.255.255.0 tells it there are 256
(255) computers on the subnet, which it should be able to find just fine.
However, if you have a smaller network, a smaller subnet speeds up the
'searching'.

That leads to what I was talking about earlier...the Gateway (router).  When
you tell a machine to go to 123.456.789.321, if that IP Address is not on
the subnet, it doesn't even bother looking, it just sends the request to the
gateway IP (router), so the router does the searching.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


O. What's a subnet?  And where do I get one?  And do I want one?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> Yes, a switch is used to connect computers on the same subnet.  A router
is
> used to connect subnets together.  A router is usually also a switch, so
it
> can connect computers on the same subnet, AND connect one subnet to
another.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> Is there a difference between a switch and a router?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any device
> > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > workstation and is virtually always on.
> >
> > For the price, I would also highly recommend removing
> > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price and
> > have many benifits over hubs.
> >
> > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus if
> > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that are
> > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each
> > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> >
> > That's not including the security issues inherent with
> > hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
> > available ports rather than to the proper destination
> > port.
> >
> > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy
> > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The
> > > newer models even figure
> > > out what kind of cable you are using, crossover or
> > > regular.  The biggest
> > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp server
> > > so I had to turn off the
> > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also
> > > hardwired the address of
> > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4
> > > port routers isn't a
> > > panacea however since you now end up using two ports
> > > just for the daisy
> > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > > have a wireless so I can
> > > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > > other computers in if
> > > needed.
> > >
> > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the
> > > internet to "call in"
> > > for programming.  I had to snake a cable down the
> > > wall from the living room
> > > (luckily exactly over my office in the basement).  I
> > > understand that the
> > > model II has USB ports that can automatically use
> > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > connect to the internet.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > > of)
> > >
> > >
> > > John:
> > >
> > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> > > ports on your router to
> > > get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> > > from one router this
> > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > >
> > > I've also found that when creating a new network it
> > > sometimes takes a few
> > > minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> > > each other - especially on
> > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > > trying to get the network to
> > > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > > after a few minutes,
> > > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> > >
> > >
> > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > needed
> > > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> > > needing to plug in) and
> > > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > > time.  I then tried and
> > > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> > > around, so I ordered a
> > > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > > longer, a very long call to
> > > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > > >
> > > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > > anything out, they
> > > recommended
> > > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > > paycheck from my trip to work
> > > for
> > > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > > November 1997?  Getting a
> > > bit
> > > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > > >
> > > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > > before installing etc.
> > > And
> > > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > > mhz processor.  So I
> > > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
> > >  Still no joy.  The
> > > site
> > > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > > support assured me that if
> > > > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> > > >
> > > > Ignorant liars!
> > > >
> > > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > > around with a couple of
> > > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> > > in to the router config
> > > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > > thing I'm seeing on the
> > > laptop
> > > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > > >
> > > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> > > clear idea why) I have
> > > a
> > > > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> > > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > > >
> > > > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> > > play around, don't quit,
> > > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > > thing up so that others
> > > can't
> > > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > > anything since I don't really
> > > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > >
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 10:18:37 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:18:37 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227483@main2.marlow.com>

I just put my servers in the closet.  Don't care how noisy they get.  Can't
hear them! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:32 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer


I just thought I'd share a tip.

I build my own computers from parts.  About two years ago now I bought these
rather nice cases, bought motherboards with AMD 1333 mhz thunderbird procs
and used Thermaltake volcanoes in them plus 3 case fans (plus two in the
power supply).  Needless to say it was NOISY!!!

So noisy I couldn't hear a phone conversation.

I finally decided I'd had enough.  I found a HSF called the Thermaltake
Silent Boost.  NICE!  All copper, 80mm low noise fan.  Almost silent.  That
got rid of the jet engine sound from the 60mm 4500 rpm fans on the old HSF,
but the case fans were still pretty loud.  I was just about to order low
noise variable speed fans when I ran across this article:
http://www.cpemma.co.uk/7volt.html

I decided since it was free and immediate (I'm a right now kinda guy) I'd go
ahead and try it.  Essentially you build a cable (don't panic, it's easy)
that feeds 7 volts to the fan instead of the normal 12, which reduces the
fan speed (and air volume) which reduces the noise (and air volume).

As long as the remaining air volume is sufficient to keep the case cool all
is fine.  I have 3 case fans anyway, 1 intake and 2 exhaust.  It turns out
that the temperature on the proc went up from ~104 f to 107 f idle.  Not too
bad actually.  And the difference in noise between the new HSF and lower
voltage to the case fans is immense.  Not dead silent by any means but quiet
now instead of sounding like the cleaning lady with a vacuum in my ear.

Saved myself ~$40-$50 on new case fans.  Check it out, it worked for me.
http://www.cpemma.co.uk/7volt.html

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  3 10:19:43 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:19:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SubReports
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C7FA@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEPEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Virginia,

I am ashamed at you expressing such disbelief and disapproval at the NEW AND
IMPROVED FEATURES OF A2K!!!

Welcome to the "let's make it better and change everything around" world of
M$.

In theory, the subreport should be "transparent" now, i.e. you should see
the controls etc inside the subreporta (and subforms).  In order to select
the subreport itself, one way is to click OUTSIDE the subObject, ten click
the little gray square in the upper left corner ONE TIME.  If you keep a
property box open as you do this you can watch the property box to see what
object you have selected.

You then "drill down" into the sub object clicking again and yet again.  In
fact the first click SHOULD show you the properties of the sub object
CONTROL on the main object.  Next click will show you properties of the
sub-object (sub report / sub form).  Next click will show you properties of
the object inside the subreport/form such as the header, a control etc.
depending on what you are clicking on.

So as you can see, this is all "new and improved".

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Hollis,Virginia
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] SubReports


Ok - what is the trick to selecting a subreport in report design? In 97 all
I had to do is click on the report & it would open for modifications. In A2K
I can't even select the report.

Virginia
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Mon Nov  3 10:24:06 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:24:06 -0000 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C6666@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Nicely put. However <bzzzzz!> by being the first person to post to this
thread today, you fall foul of a new policy just agreed between myself and
the other moderators. Don't take it personally...

EVERYONE PLEASE NOTE: from now on we will be insisting that responses to
questions which really belong on one of the other lists MUST be made on the
appropriate list and not on AccessD.

Initial requests for help can still be sent to AccessD, until it becomes
clear that we have enough subscribers on the other lists to make it
unneccessary, but all responses should be sent to the VB, SQL-Server or Tech
list.

We will be sending out an official email to that effect sometime soon.

If you disagree with the policy please send a mail to
ops-mod at databaseadvisors.com and we will consider your views.

Thanks

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: 03 November 2003 16:08
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Think of a subnet as a neighborhood.  A network neighborhood.  The subnet
'mask' is a property in TCP/IP, which tells your machine what IP addresses
are around it.  It's a bitmask thing.

192.168.0.1, with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 tells the machine that
192.168.0.1 through 192.168.0.255 are around it.  If the bit is turned on in
the subnet mask, IP Addresses in that subnet must have a matching bit
(either on or off....), if it's turned off in the subnet, that bit in the IP
address can be different.  So 255.255.255.254 for a subnet, is a subnet of 2
machines.

The reason this is important, is because subnets control how much
broadcasting and browsing your machine must do, to locate other computers on
the network.  A subnet of 255.255.0.0 tells your computer there are 65k
machines on the subnet, and more then likely you will never find anything,
because it will eventually give up.  255.255.255.0 tells it there are 256
(255) computers on the subnet, which it should be able to find just fine.
However, if you have a smaller network, a smaller subnet speeds up the
'searching'.

That leads to what I was talking about earlier...the Gateway (router).  When
you tell a machine to go to 123.456.789.321, if that IP Address is not on
the subnet, it doesn't even bother looking, it just sends the request to the
gateway IP (router), so the router does the searching.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


O. What's a subnet?  And where do I get one?  And do I want one?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> Yes, a switch is used to connect computers on the same subnet.  A 
> router
is
> used to connect subnets together.  A router is usually also a switch, 
> so
it
> can connect computers on the same subnet, AND connect one subnet to
another.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> Is there a difference between a switch and a router?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any device
> > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > workstation and is virtually always on.
> >
> > For the price, I would also highly recommend removing
> > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price and
> > have many benifits over hubs.
> >
> > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus if
> > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that are processing data 
> > split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each port gets the fill bandwidth.
> >
> > That's not including the security issues inherent with
> > hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
> > available ports rather than to the proper destination
> > port.
> >
> > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy chaining my 
> > > old 4 port router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The
> > > newer models even figure
> > > out what kind of cable you are using, crossover or
> > > regular.  The biggest
> > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp server
> > > so I had to turn off the
> > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also
> > > hardwired the address of
> > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4
> > > port routers isn't a
> > > panacea however since you now end up using two ports
> > > just for the daisy
> > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > > have a wireless so I can
> > > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > > other computers in if
> > > needed.
> > >
> > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the internet to 
> > > "call in" for programming.  I had to snake a cable down the
> > > wall from the living room
> > > (luckily exactly over my office in the basement).  I
> > > understand that the
> > > model II has USB ports that can automatically use
> > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > connect to the internet.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > > of)
> > >
> > >
> > > John:
> > >
> > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your 
> > > router to get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> > > from one router this
> > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > >
> > > I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes 
> > > takes a few minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> > > each other - especially on
> > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > > trying to get the network to
> > > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > > after a few minutes,
> > > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)" 
> > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>; "AccessD" 
> > > <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> > >
> > >
> > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > needed
> > > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> > > needing to plug in) and
> > > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > > time.  I then tried and
> > > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> > > around, so I ordered a
> > > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > > longer, a very long call to
> > > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > > >
> > > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > > anything out, they
> > > recommended
> > > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > > paycheck from my trip to work
> > > for
> > > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > > November 1997?  Getting a
> > > bit
> > > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > > >
> > > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > > before installing etc.
> > > And
> > > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > > mhz processor.  So I
> > > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
> > >  Still no joy.  The
> > > site
> > > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > > support assured me that if
> > > > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> > > >
> > > > Ignorant liars!
> > > >
> > > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > > around with a couple of
> > > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> > > in to the router config
> > > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > > thing I'm seeing on the
> > > laptop
> > > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > > >
> > > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> > > clear idea why) I have
> > > a
> > > > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> > > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > > >
> > > > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> > > play around, don't quit,
> > > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > > thing up so that others
> > > can't
> > > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > > anything since I don't really
> > > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  3 10:29:36 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:29:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227480@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEPFFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

DID YOU SAY BITMASK?  Sounds denormalized to me!

<very big grin>

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Think of a subnet as a neighborhood.  A network neighborhood.  The subnet
'mask' is a property in TCP/IP, which tells your machine what IP addresses
are around it.  It's a bitmask thing.

192.168.0.1, with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 tells the machine that
192.168.0.1 through 192.168.0.255 are around it.  If the bit is turned on in
the subnet mask, IP Addresses in that subnet must have a matching bit
(either on or off....), if it's turned off in the subnet, that bit in the IP
address can be different.  So 255.255.255.254 for a subnet, is a subnet of 2
machines.

The reason this is important, is because subnets control how much
broadcasting and browsing your machine must do, to locate other computers on
the network.  A subnet of 255.255.0.0 tells your computer there are 65k
machines on the subnet, and more then likely you will never find anything,
because it will eventually give up.  255.255.255.0 tells it there are 256
(255) computers on the subnet, which it should be able to find just fine.
However, if you have a smaller network, a smaller subnet speeds up the
'searching'.

That leads to what I was talking about earlier...the Gateway (router).  When
you tell a machine to go to 123.456.789.321, if that IP Address is not on
the subnet, it doesn't even bother looking, it just sends the request to the
gateway IP (router), so the router does the searching.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


O. What's a subnet?  And where do I get one?  And do I want one?

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> Yes, a switch is used to connect computers on the same subnet.  A router
is
> used to connect subnets together.  A router is usually also a switch, so
it
> can connect computers on the same subnet, AND connect one subnet to
another.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> Is there a difference between a switch and a router?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any device
> > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > workstation and is virtually always on.
> >
> > For the price, I would also highly recommend removing
> > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price and
> > have many benifits over hubs.
> >
> > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus if
> > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that are
> > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each
> > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> >
> > That's not including the security issues inherent with
> > hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
> > available ports rather than to the proper destination
> > port.
> >
> > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy
> > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The
> > > newer models even figure
> > > out what kind of cable you are using, crossover or
> > > regular.  The biggest
> > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp server
> > > so I had to turn off the
> > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also
> > > hardwired the address of
> > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4
> > > port routers isn't a
> > > panacea however since you now end up using two ports
> > > just for the daisy
> > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > > have a wireless so I can
> > > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > > other computers in if
> > > needed.
> > >
> > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the
> > > internet to "call in"
> > > for programming.  I had to snake a cable down the
> > > wall from the living room
> > > (luckily exactly over my office in the basement).  I
> > > understand that the
> > > model II has USB ports that can automatically use
> > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > connect to the internet.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > > of)
> > >
> > >
> > > John:
> > >
> > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> > > ports on your router to
> > > get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> > > from one router this
> > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > >
> > > I've also found that when creating a new network it
> > > sometimes takes a few
> > > minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> > > each other - especially on
> > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > > trying to get the network to
> > > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > > after a few minutes,
> > > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> > >
> > >
> > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > needed
> > > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> > > needing to plug in) and
> > > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > > time.  I then tried and
> > > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> > > around, so I ordered a
> > > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > > longer, a very long call to
> > > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > > >
> > > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > > anything out, they
> > > recommended
> > > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > > paycheck from my trip to work
> > > for
> > > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > > November 1997?  Getting a
> > > bit
> > > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > > >
> > > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > > before installing etc.
> > > And
> > > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > > mhz processor.  So I
> > > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
> > >  Still no joy.  The
> > > site
> > > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > > support assured me that if
> > > > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> > > >
> > > > Ignorant liars!
> > > >
> > > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > > around with a couple of
> > > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> > > in to the router config
> > > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > > thing I'm seeing on the
> > > laptop
> > > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > > >
> > > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> > > clear idea why) I have
> > > a
> > > > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> > > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > > >
> > > > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> > > play around, don't quit,
> > > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > > thing up so that others
> > > can't
> > > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > > anything since I don't really
> > > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon Nov  3 10:34:35 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:34:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3067C60D@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAFA5@ADGSERVER>

I have to have mine in XP format because we create an MDE from it.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.


Charlotte,

I would hope there is a better answer than that.  I intentionally leave my
client's dbs in A2K file format since AXP as the compact bug.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.


Hi Charlotte,

That was the problem exactly!  Thanks!

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.


This will happen if the file format you have currently selected is Access
2000 but the project was created and checked into VSS in 2002
format.   All you need to do is open a database and change your Access
file format to 2002 then pull a new database out of VSS.  Once you get the
crash, it's a good idea to delete the scc folder for the project so it will
be recreated when you pull the database out.  Otherwise, you sometimes have
problems with whatever caused the crash in the first place.

Charlotte Foust

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov  3 10:51:53 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 08:51:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312409@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

The problem only arises when the filetype you have set is later than the
one you created the project in. It isn't the version of Access you're
using, it's the file format your have to watch out for.  If you leave
your project in 2000 and have the file set to that type, you don't run
into any issues pulling a new database out of VSS.  The scc folders can
also get corrupted sometimes, or at least specific files in those
folders, so deleting them solves various problems when pulling a new
version out of VSS.  It's the first thing I do when I start getting
those charming crashes that phone home to Uncle Bill.<g>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 6:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.


Charlotte,

I would hope there is a better answer than that.  I intentionally leave
my client's dbs in A2K file format since AXP as the compact bug.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.


Hi Charlotte,

That was the problem exactly!  Thanks!

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.


This will happen if the file format you have currently selected is
Access 2000 but the project was created and checked into VSS in 2002
format.   All you need to do is open a database and change your Access
file format to 2002 then pull a new database out of VSS.  Once you get
the crash, it's a good idea to delete the scc folder for the project so
it will be recreated when you pull the database out.  Otherwise, you
sometimes have problems with whatever caused the crash in the first
place.

Charlotte Foust

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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Mon Nov  3 10:55:35 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 00:55:35 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
References: <00ec01c3a1f4$e7ffd0a0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
	<002a01c3a218$9a8f4020$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <001801c3a22b$4d765540$10c711d2@bitswshome>

yeah I've used this for a couple of years.  Was going to just post the code,
but Dev has a copy right notice.

Stuart


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format


> ...hey! ...nice find, works like a charm ...as it happens I have an
> immediate use for this little honey ...thanks :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:26 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
>
>
> > What you want is this:
> >
> > http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0018.htm
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Jim Lawrence (AccessD)
> > > Sent: Monday, 03 November, 2003 3:47 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi All:
> > >
> > > This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I can
> > > not remember or
> > > find the related code. (Advanced years and all)
> > >
> > > Can you set up Access to, under program control to
> > > run/display any file that
> > > the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf
> > > file, spreadsheet
> > > or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each
> > > type. I have
> > > written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there
> > > must be any easier
> > > way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web
> > > page can do this
> > > but can an Access program?
> > >
> > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> > >
> > > MTIA
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 10:55:15 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:55:15 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 Repair and Compact
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227485@main2.marlow.com>

Tony, I started creating a system that was a pretty simple and straight
forward method of shutting down end users.  What it used was named pipes.
Named pipes are a pretty easy method of communicating between machines.
Access handles the client code without a hitch.  However, the 'server' code
pauses the thread, which 'locks' Access.  

Essentially what would happen, is you have a VB program (ideally running as
an NT service).  That program sits and acts as a pipe 'server', and listens
to a named pipe.  The FE in Access has a hidden form that fires a timer
event, which used the client code to 'ask' the server what to do.  A simple
'Nothing' reply and it goes on it's way.  The communication is fast and
quick, and is very painless.  You then set a time line on the VB program,
where between a certain period, it starts sending out a 'Shutdown' command,
at which point the clients get 'Shutdown', instead of 'Nothing', and they
start shutting themselves down.

Because the Access FE's would be 'checking in', your VB program would have a
list of FE's that are online, so it would know when they all 'signed off',
and then you could run the compact.

Just a thought....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Septav [mailto:iggy at nanaimo.ark.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:08 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 Repair and Compact


Hey John
Mentioned to Dan, that one way around the problem, may be his automatic
shutdown suggestion (during the lag time).
Then Task Scheduler to run the repair and compact, then after a certain
time period have the Task Scheduler open the program again. Not as
pretty as automating but an alternative if need be.

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 10:58:50 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:58:50 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227486@main2.marlow.com>

Read Erwins post a little while ago, was waiting for your's before I
replied! <grin>

Erwin, switches also use NAT tables.  Because of this, they don't have to
broadcast everything in all directions.  They're 'smart', when a packet
comes in, they can properly direct it.  The downside to the NAT tables is
that if you blow the NAT table away, it has to be rebuilt, so sometimes on
an initial powerup, a switch may seem slower, which is simply the time it is
using to build the NAT tables.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


And they improve speed.

Because they do not SHARE the bandwidth amongst the
ports.  A 10-BaseT hub SHARES that speed amongst the
available ports.  This dividing the individual
bandwidth per port.

A switch allocates all available bandwidth on a PER
PORT basis.

Maybe you need to learn what you are talking about
before you give out false information.

--- Erwin Craps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> And to be correct, switches don't improve speed
> (compared to hub's) they
> improve bandwith and reduce collisions!!!
> Switches create virtual point to point connections.
> 
> Switches do improve speed compared to routers.
> 
> Erwin
> 
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens
> Frank Tanner III
> Verzonden: zaterdag 1 november 2003 16:23
> Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> Switches will ALWAYS improve your speed over hubs.
> Period.
> 
> Hubs SHARE the same bandwidth on all ports. 
> Switches
> allocate the max bandwidth per port.
> 
> You are incorrect.
> 
> --- Erwin Craps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> > But switches have no sense in a 1 server
> environment
> > because all of the
> > trafic goes and comes from one point.
> > Unless your clients are 100Mb and the uplink to
> the
> > server is 1Gb.
> > 
> > People often believe switches will improve their
> > network speed, but that
> > is not always the case.
> > But indeed the prices of the switches have dropped
> > that you buy a switch
> > at the price of a good hub these days.
> > 
> > Erwin
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> > - Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:55 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> > 
> > 
> > Got it. I think.  Switch can route packet based on
> > IP address but can't
> > generate an IP address.  Yes?
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> > 
> > 
> > > It is sort of half-way, but not really.
> > >
> > > Switches are a "generation" better.  Hubs and
> > > switches, on their most basic level perform the
> > same function.  They
> > > distribute network traffic.  But HOW they
> > distribute that traffic is
> > > fundimentally different.
> > >
> > > Unless they're one of the newer layer 3 or layer
> 4 switches, they 
> > > cannot perform routing functions.
> > They
> > > just hand packets off from point A to point B.
> > Think
> > > of them as sort of a postman.  They have an
> > address
> > > for each device on the network and they hand off
> > each
> > > piece of mail to the appropriate address.  A
> hub,
> > > using this sama analagy would deliver the same
> > piece
> > > of mail to every house and the one that it
> > belonged to
> > > would be the one that actually reads it.
> > >
> > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > "but it's as close as I could think of without
> > > > getting too technical."
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.  Much appreciated.  So a switch is
> > like
> > > > halfway between a hub and
> > > > a router?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:36 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > (sort
> > > > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > A router and a switch are fundimentall
> > different
> > > > > things.
> > > > >
> > > > > A router does just that.  It routes network
> > > > traffic.
> > > > >
> > > > > A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.
> > > > >
> > > > > Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and
> > layer 4
> > > > > ones can perform both functions.This isn't
> an
> > > > exact
> > > > > definition, but it's as close as I could
> think
> > of
> > > > > without getting too technical.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Is there a difference between a switch and
> a
> > > > router?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rocky
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and
> > problem
> > > > > > solving"
> > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless
> network
> > > > (sort
> > > > > > of)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address
> of
> > any
> > > > > > device
> > > > > > > or server connected to your LAN that's
> not
> > a workstation and
> > > > > > > is virtually always on.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For the price, I would also highly
> > recommend
> > > > > > removing
> > > > > > > all hubs from your network and using
> them
> > as doorstops.
> > > > > > > Switches have come way down in
> > > > price
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all
> > ports.
> > > > Thus
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all
> ports
> > > > that
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A
> 
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Mon Nov  3 11:00:02 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Mon,  3 Nov 2003 18:00:02 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] Hourly Backups Of Access Data
Message-ID: <16207489.1067878802360.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>

To all,
Is there anyway I can create a backup of all the tables in a database, without bringing all the users out of the database.
Paul

From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov  3 11:00:16 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:00:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227483@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEGMFEAA.john@winhaven.net>

dittos here: aka "My Bullpen"

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:19 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
> 
> 
> I just put my servers in the closet.  Don't care how noisy they 
> get.  Can't
> hear them! <grin>
> 
> Drew
> 



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  3 11:00:30 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:00:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <001801c3a22b$4d765540$10c711d2@bitswshome>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEPIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I THINK as long as the code says "you may use as long as the copyright
notice remains" and you post the whole thing with the copyright notice, it
is legal to post the code, especially as it isn't embedded in an EZine.
It's always safer to just post the link though.  People like visitors to
their site..

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format


yeah I've used this for a couple of years.  Was going to just post the code,
but Dev has a copy right notice.

Stuart


----- Original Message -----
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format


> ...hey! ...nice find, works like a charm ...as it happens I have an
> immediate use for this little honey ...thanks :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:26 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
>
>
> > What you want is this:
> >
> > http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0018.htm
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Jim Lawrence (AccessD)
> > > Sent: Monday, 03 November, 2003 3:47 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi All:
> > >
> > > This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I can
> > > not remember or
> > > find the related code. (Advanced years and all)
> > >
> > > Can you set up Access to, under program control to
> > > run/display any file that
> > > the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf
> > > file, spreadsheet
> > > or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each
> > > type. I have
> > > written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there
> > > must be any easier
> > > way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web
> > > page can do this
> > > but can an Access program?
> > >
> > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> > >
> > > MTIA
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 11:00:36 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:00:36 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227487@main2.marlow.com>

I agree.  Even though a lot of this thread should have been posted to the
Tech list, I think there has been really good information for Access folks,
since one of the big issues with Access is network connectivity.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 9:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


It has nothing to do with "mine is bigger than yours".

It has to do with him spreading false information as
the truth.

How would you respond if people were spreading
misinformation about Access?

--- Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Please, can't this never-ending "mine is bigger than
> yours" be moved
> to the techno list - or better: to the eternal
> fields of bits?
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > Maybe you need to learn what you are talking about
> > before you give out false information.
> 
> >> You are incorrect.
> 
> > === message truncated ===
> 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  3 11:03:20 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:03:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C6666@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

GREAT policy!  It should get more of this list signed up for the other lists
especially the tech list.

Good job moderators!

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Nicely put. However <bzzzzz!> by being the first person to post to this
thread today, you fall foul of a new policy just agreed between myself and
the other moderators. Don't take it personally...

EVERYONE PLEASE NOTE: from now on we will be insisting that responses to
questions which really belong on one of the other lists MUST be made on the
appropriate list and not on AccessD.

Initial requests for help can still be sent to AccessD, until it becomes
clear that we have enough subscribers on the other lists to make it
unneccessary, but all responses should be sent to the VB, SQL-Server or Tech
list.

We will be sending out an official email to that effect sometime soon.

If you disagree with the policy please send a mail to
ops-mod at databaseadvisors.com and we will consider your views.

Thanks

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: 03 November 2003 16:08
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Think of a subnet as a neighborhood.  A network neighborhood.  The subnet
'mask' is a property in TCP/IP, which tells your machine what IP addresses
are around it.  It's a bitmask thing.

192.168.0.1, with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 tells the machine that
192.168.0.1 through 192.168.0.255 are around it.  If the bit is turned on in
the subnet mask, IP Addresses in that subnet must have a matching bit
(either on or off....), if it's turned off in the subnet, that bit in the IP
address can be different.  So 255.255.255.254 for a subnet, is a subnet of 2
machines.

The reason this is important, is because subnets control how much
broadcasting and browsing your machine must do, to locate other computers on
the network.  A subnet of 255.255.0.0 tells your computer there are 65k
machines on the subnet, and more then likely you will never find anything,
because it will eventually give up.  255.255.255.0 tells it there are 256
(255) computers on the subnet, which it should be able to find just fine.
However, if you have a smaller network, a smaller subnet speeds up the
'searching'.

That leads to what I was talking about earlier...the Gateway (router).  When
you tell a machine to go to 123.456.789.321, if that IP Address is not on
the subnet, it doesn't even bother looking, it just sends the request to the
gateway IP (router), so the router does the searching.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


O. What's a subnet?  And where do I get one?  And do I want one?

Rocky



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 11:04:44 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:04:44 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227489@main2.marlow.com>

Use ADO.  It will let you treat Excel just like any other recordset.  

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:18 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)


To all,
We are operating Office XP Professional and I have started to write a little
scheduling application.  Every so often we will have an Excel Workbook
containing three spreadsheets, what I need to be able to do is link into the
Workbook to bring a certain clients data in from the second sheet.
The fields in the workbook are as follows:
StoreNo, HolidayWeek, Sun, Mon, Tue, Wed, Thur, Fri, Sat
StoreNo contain the store number and if there is a certain week that we
cannot go to the store the week commencing date wil be entered under
HolidayWeek.  If there is a certain day or multiple days that we cannot go
to the store, the individual dates will be stored under the day of the week.
Now I have a tbale with the following fields :
StoreNo, BlackoutWeek, BlackoutDay
I need to link into Excel and bring the data in from the Excel spreadsheet
into the table above.
So I may end up with
StoreNo            BlackoutWeek             BlackoutDay
1                                                              27/01/04
1                                                              28/01/04
1                          04/01/04
etc, has anyone any sample code on how to link into the Excel spreadsheet an
retrieve the data.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Paul Hartland
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Nov  3 11:17:26 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:17:26 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7889@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Golly Gosh. That's such a great piece of example code <vbg>

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent:	Monday, November 03, 2003 12:05 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)
> 
> Use ADO.  It will let you treat Excel just like any other recordset.  
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:18 AM
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)
> 
> 
> To all,
> We are operating Office XP Professional and I have started to write a
> little
> scheduling application.  Every so often we will have an Excel Workbook
> containing three spreadsheets, what I need to be able to do is link into
> the
> Workbook to bring a certain clients data in from the second sheet.
> The fields in the workbook are as follows:
> StoreNo, HolidayWeek, Sun, Mon, Tue, Wed, Thur, Fri, Sat
> StoreNo contain the store number and if there is a certain week that we
> cannot go to the store the week commencing date wil be entered under
> HolidayWeek.  If there is a certain day or multiple days that we cannot go
> to the store, the individual dates will be stored under the day of the
> week.
> Now I have a tbale with the following fields :
> StoreNo, BlackoutWeek, BlackoutDay
> I need to link into Excel and bring the data in from the Excel spreadsheet
> into the table above.
> So I may end up with
> StoreNo            BlackoutWeek             BlackoutDay
> 1                                                              27/01/04
> 1                                                              28/01/04
> 1                          04/01/04
> etc, has anyone any sample code on how to link into the Excel spreadsheet
> an
> retrieve the data.
> Thanks in advance for any help.
> Paul Hartland
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov  3 11:19:06 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:19:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Urgent Help Access - Can't Find MSYSDB
In-Reply-To: <18619615.1067874816000.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>
References: <18619615.1067874816000.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>
Message-ID: <4733641233.20031103181906@cactus.dk>

Hi Paul

Just noticed this link.
Don't know if it is relevant for your situation:

  http://dbforums.com/arch/105/2003/9/718793

/gustav


> Date: 2003-11-03 16:53

> To all,
> We have just had and error message up saying can't find MSysDb, we can't repair it or import tables from this database at all.  Is there a way of restoring the database, to save us going to a
> backup version ?
> Please help as quickly as possible, thanks,
> Paul Hartland


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 11:35:55 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:35:55 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222748B@main2.marlow.com>

I never take it personally, I put up with JC, don't I! <evilgrin>

I have sent an email to the address you listed, as requested.  I ask that
others on the list do so also.  The gist of my email was that networking
topics are definitely related to Access.  Many developers are pitted against
IT pros who like to make db developers spin in circles.  Though many topics
certainly need homes on other lists, networking is definitely a skill that
Access Developers should have under their belt.  So if you have ever been
corned by IT network folks, or have to develop and network, or even think
you may find the knowledge of networking threads handy in future Access
endeavors, please voice your opinions to the email address Roz provided.

Not trying to rock the boat on this.  I joined OT and Tech because I too
wanted to cause less clutter to the lists, but I personally disagree with
this topic being 'non-Access' related.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Nicely put. However <bzzzzz!> by being the first person to post to this
thread today, you fall foul of a new policy just agreed between myself and
the other moderators. Don't take it personally...

EVERYONE PLEASE NOTE: from now on we will be insisting that responses to
questions which really belong on one of the other lists MUST be made on the
appropriate list and not on AccessD.

Initial requests for help can still be sent to AccessD, until it becomes
clear that we have enough subscribers on the other lists to make it
unneccessary, but all responses should be sent to the VB, SQL-Server or Tech
list.

We will be sending out an official email to that effect sometime soon.

If you disagree with the policy please send a mail to
ops-mod at databaseadvisors.com and we will consider your views.

Thanks

Roz


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov  3 11:37:18 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:37:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Urgent Help Access - Can't Find MSYSDB
References: <18619615.1067874816000.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>
Message-ID: <013601c3a231$211271e0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Paul

...what Jet SP are you running ...this was a bug in SP5 and supposedly fixed
in later versions ...if this is the problem, updating to the latest Jet
should fix your problem ...good luck :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <paul.hartland at fsmail.net>
To: "accessd" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:53 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT Urgent Help Access - Can't Find MSYSDB


> To all,
> We have just had and error message up saying can't find MSysDb, we can't
repair it or import tables from this database at all.  Is there a way of
restoring the database, to save us going to a backup version ?
> Please help as quickly as possible, thanks,
> Paul Hartland
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 11:37:48 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:37:48 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] Networking   Was:(OT: Wireless network (sort of))
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222748C@main2.marlow.com>

Hey, I just got buzzed.  Not that I mind being buzzed, but with running on
no sleep and having a long day ahead of me, I don't think my drive home
would be safe if I got buzzed again! <grin> (Sorry Roz....I had to reply to
this!)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


DID YOU SAY BITMASK?  Sounds denormalized to me!

<very big grin>

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 11:40:39 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:40:39 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222748D@main2.marlow.com>

To tie this into an Access related (actually AccessD related) post, in my
old place (one before the fire), I had my servers near the foot of my
bed...and those things were NOISY.  Of course, one of the fans was going
out, so that didn't help! <grin> But now that they're in the closet, I can
soundly sleep at night, and still host the archives! <grin> (Come on, give
me points for trying to tie that in!)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer


dittos here: aka "My Bullpen"

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:19 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
> 
> 
> I just put my servers in the closet.  Don't care how noisy they 
> get.  Can't
> hear them! <grin>
> 
> Drew
> 


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 11:42:35 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:42:35 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] Hourly Backups Of Access Data
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222748E@main2.marlow.com>

Ya, just import them into a new db.  You should be able to import them
without having to kick anyone out!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:00 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Hourly Backups Of Access Data


To all,
Is there anyway I can create a backup of all the tables in a database,
without bringing all the users out of the database.
Paul
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 11:53:44 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:53:44 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222748F@main2.marlow.com>

Wasn't it.  It was true air code....

How about: http://www.wolfwares.com/accessd/postinfo.asp?Post=42267

And

http://planetsourcecode.com/vb/scripts/ShowCode.asp?txtCodeId=39892&lngWId=1

And

http://www.wolfwares.com/accessd/postinfo.asp?Post=24221

Is that better? Sorry posted code before....<grin>  Need to clean up my data
files, cause they're WAY too cluttered at the moment.  

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:17 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)


Golly Gosh. That's such a great piece of example code <vbg>

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent:	Monday, November 03, 2003 12:05 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)
> 
> Use ADO.  It will let you treat Excel just like any other recordset.  
> 
> Drew
> 

From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov  3 12:08:18 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:08:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Hourly Backups Of Access Data
In-Reply-To: <16207489.1067878802360.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJCEHCFEAA.john@winhaven.net>

Paul,
I just looked at my backup routine but it won't work for you, uses
CompactDatabase. Guess I should create a new one.

(Thinking out loud here) how about:
Create a routine to export all of the tables and data to a new DB. That
shouldn't affect any of the users.

Create a seperate routine that clears the tables and imports/appends it all
back in just in case you need to restore the data. If that case arises it
would probably mean the users can't get in anyway - otherwise you would have
to kick them all out.

This would alleviate worrying about relationships, etc.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> paul.hartland at fsmail.net
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:00 AM
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] Hourly Backups Of Access Data
>
>
> To all,
> Is there anyway I can create a backup of all the tables in a
> database, without bringing all the users out of the database.
> Paul
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>



From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Nov  3 12:14:50 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 07:14:50 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] How to prevent a mess
In-Reply-To: <20031103085642.1503239058.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031104071109.00b6b8f8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Have you considered indirect synchronization.  Basically the remote users 
have dropboxes set up on the server.  They dial into the server and do 
their synchronization when they are ready.  Check out the replication white 
papers etc for information.  Here is a list of some resources for A97 (not 
sure if the links still work).  Updated copies of most of them are 
available for A2K and A02 -

Building Applications with Microsoft Access 97

Access 97 Developers Handbook (Litwin, Getz, Gilbert)

Database Replication in Microsoft Jet (Tony Poll - Microsoft Replication 
White Paper)
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q164553

Microsoft Jet Database Replication (Peter Bateman, Bruce Schatzman)

Microsoft Access 97 Replication Site
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/support/access/content/repl/replication.asp

Internet Synchronization with Microsoft Jet 3.5 (Michael Wachal)
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q181371

Search for replication here
http://msdn.microsoft.com/default.asp

Microsoft Knowledgebase

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205


At 3/11/2003, you wrote:
>Dear Group,
>
>I've been enlightened by Michael Kaplan's explanation of the perils of 
>copying replicas and not going through a proper replication sequence with 
>CD copies back and forth.
>
>The question is: what now? The independent laptops are scattered around 
>the state and its *very* inconvenient for them to come back to do a 
>physical replication. Money to write a custom synchronization process is 
>simply not available.
>
>I note from Kaplan's explanations that if the replicas are unmanaged -- 
>that is, Synchronizer is not used -- then certain types of problems can be 
>avoided. Also problems can be avoided by using the built-in Access methods 
>for moving replicas or by using TSI Synchronizer.
>
>He also mentions using the Briefcase reconciler, but that doesn't exist in 
>Windows 2000 or XP, does it?
>
>I'm trying to avoid creating a mess. The application is in more or less a 
>beta stage now, so we could start from scratch with a new Replication 
>strategy. Any advice?
>
>Regards,
>
>Steve Erbach
>Scientific Marketing
>Neenah, WI
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Nov  3 12:18:41 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:18:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227480@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <016801c3a236$e8f85b70$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

So I just did and IPCONFIG through the dos command and find my IP is
192.168.1.101 and the subnet is 255.255.255.0.

So does my router think I might have as many as 256 machines (or addressable
devices, I guess) connected to IP 192.168.1.101?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:08 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> Think of a subnet as a neighborhood.  A network neighborhood.  The subnet
> 'mask' is a property in TCP/IP, which tells your machine what IP addresses
> are around it.  It's a bitmask thing.
>
> 192.168.0.1, with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 tells the machine that
> 192.168.0.1 through 192.168.0.255 are around it.  If the bit is turned on
in
> the subnet mask, IP Addresses in that subnet must have a matching bit
> (either on or off....), if it's turned off in the subnet, that bit in the
IP
> address can be different.  So 255.255.255.254 for a subnet, is a subnet of
2
> machines.
>
> The reason this is important, is because subnets control how much
> broadcasting and browsing your machine must do, to locate other computers
on
> the network.  A subnet of 255.255.0.0 tells your computer there are 65k
> machines on the subnet, and more then likely you will never find anything,
> because it will eventually give up.  255.255.255.0 tells it there are 256
> (255) computers on the subnet, which it should be able to find just fine.
> However, if you have a smaller network, a smaller subnet speeds up the
> 'searching'.
>
> That leads to what I was talking about earlier...the Gateway (router).
When
> you tell a machine to go to 123.456.789.321, if that IP Address is not on
> the subnet, it doesn't even bother looking, it just sends the request to
the
> gateway IP (router), so the router does the searching.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:53 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> O. What's a subnet?  And where do I get one?  And do I want one?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> > Yes, a switch is used to connect computers on the same subnet.  A router
> is
> > used to connect subnets together.  A router is usually also a switch, so
> it
> > can connect computers on the same subnet, AND connect one subnet to
> another.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > Is there a difference between a switch and a router?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any device
> > > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > > workstation and is virtually always on.
> > >
> > > For the price, I would also highly recommend removing
> > > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price and
> > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > >
> > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus if
> > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that are
> > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each
> > > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> > >
> > > That's not including the security issues inherent with
> > > hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
> > > available ports rather than to the proper destination
> > > port.
> > >
> > > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy
> > > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > > router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The
> > > > newer models even figure
> > > > out what kind of cable you are using, crossover or
> > > > regular.  The biggest
> > > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp server
> > > > so I had to turn off the
> > > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also
> > > > hardwired the address of
> > > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4
> > > > port routers isn't a
> > > > panacea however since you now end up using two ports
> > > > just for the daisy
> > > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > > > have a wireless so I can
> > > > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > > > other computers in if
> > > > needed.
> > > >
> > > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the
> > > > internet to "call in"
> > > > for programming.  I had to snake a cable down the
> > > > wall from the living room
> > > > (luckily exactly over my office in the basement).  I
> > > > understand that the
> > > > model II has USB ports that can automatically use
> > > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > > connect to the internet.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > > > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John:
> > > >
> > > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> > > > ports on your router to
> > > > get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> > > > from one router this
> > > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > > >
> > > > I've also found that when creating a new network it
> > > > sometimes takes a few
> > > > minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> > > > each other - especially on
> > > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > > > trying to get the network to
> > > > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > > > after a few minutes,
> > > > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > > > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > > needed
> > > > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> > > > needing to plug in) and
> > > > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > > > time.  I then tried and
> > > > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> > > > around, so I ordered a
> > > > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > > > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > > > longer, a very long call to
> > > > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > > > anything out, they
> > > > recommended
> > > > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > > > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > > > paycheck from my trip to work
> > > > for
> > > > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > > > November 1997?  Getting a
> > > > bit
> > > > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > > > >
> > > > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > > > before installing etc.
> > > > And
> > > > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > > > mhz processor.  So I
> > > > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > > > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
> > > >  Still no joy.  The
> > > > site
> > > > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > > > support assured me that if
> > > > > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ignorant liars!
> > > > >
> > > > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > > > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > > > around with a couple of
> > > > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> > > > in to the router config
> > > > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > > > thing I'm seeing on the
> > > > laptop
> > > > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> > > > clear idea why) I have
> > > > a
> > > > > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> > > > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > > > >
> > > > > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> > > > play around, don't quit,
> > > > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > > > thing up so that others
> > > > can't
> > > > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > > > anything since I don't really
> > > > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > > > >
> > > > > John W. Colby
> > > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Nov  3 12:19:25 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:19:25 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C6666@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <016e01c3a237$0342db40$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Aw Roz can't we finish this one here?  I'm not subscribed to Tech.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:24 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> Nicely put. However <bzzzzz!> by being the first person to post to this
> thread today, you fall foul of a new policy just agreed between myself and
> the other moderators. Don't take it personally...
>
> EVERYONE PLEASE NOTE: from now on we will be insisting that responses to
> questions which really belong on one of the other lists MUST be made on
the
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>
> Initial requests for help can still be sent to AccessD, until it becomes
> clear that we have enough subscribers on the other lists to make it
> unneccessary, but all responses should be sent to the VB, SQL-Server or
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> list.
>
> We will be sending out an official email to that effect sometime soon.
>
> If you disagree with the policy please send a mail to
> ops-mod at databaseadvisors.com and we will consider your views.
>
> Thanks
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent: 03 November 2003 16:08
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> Think of a subnet as a neighborhood.  A network neighborhood.  The subnet
> 'mask' is a property in TCP/IP, which tells your machine what IP addresses
> are around it.  It's a bitmask thing.
>
> 192.168.0.1, with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 tells the machine that
> 192.168.0.1 through 192.168.0.255 are around it.  If the bit is turned on
in
> the subnet mask, IP Addresses in that subnet must have a matching bit
> (either on or off....), if it's turned off in the subnet, that bit in the
IP
> address can be different.  So 255.255.255.254 for a subnet, is a subnet of
2
> machines.
>
> The reason this is important, is because subnets control how much
> broadcasting and browsing your machine must do, to locate other computers
on
> the network.  A subnet of 255.255.0.0 tells your computer there are 65k
> machines on the subnet, and more then likely you will never find anything,
> because it will eventually give up.  255.255.255.0 tells it there are 256
> (255) computers on the subnet, which it should be able to find just fine.
> However, if you have a smaller network, a smaller subnet speeds up the
> 'searching'.
>
> That leads to what I was talking about earlier...the Gateway (router).
When
> you tell a machine to go to 123.456.789.321, if that IP Address is not on
> the subnet, it doesn't even bother looking, it just sends the request to
the
> gateway IP (router), so the router does the searching.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:53 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> O. What's a subnet?  And where do I get one?  And do I want one?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> > Yes, a switch is used to connect computers on the same subnet.  A
> > router
> is
> > used to connect subnets together.  A router is usually also a switch,
> > so
> it
> > can connect computers on the same subnet, AND connect one subnet to
> another.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > Is there a difference between a switch and a router?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any device
> > > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > > workstation and is virtually always on.
> > >
> > > For the price, I would also highly recommend removing
> > > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price and
> > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > >
> > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus if
> > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that are processing data
> > > split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each port gets the fill bandwidth.
> > >
> > > That's not including the security issues inherent with
> > > hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
> > > available ports rather than to the proper destination
> > > port.
> > >
> > > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy chaining my
> > > > old 4 port router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The
> > > > newer models even figure
> > > > out what kind of cable you are using, crossover or
> > > > regular.  The biggest
> > > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp server
> > > > so I had to turn off the
> > > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also
> > > > hardwired the address of
> > > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4
> > > > port routers isn't a
> > > > panacea however since you now end up using two ports
> > > > just for the daisy
> > > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > > > have a wireless so I can
> > > > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > > > other computers in if
> > > > needed.
> > > >
> > > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the internet to
> > > > "call in" for programming.  I had to snake a cable down the
> > > > wall from the living room
> > > > (luckily exactly over my office in the basement).  I
> > > > understand that the
> > > > model II has USB ports that can automatically use
> > > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > > connect to the internet.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > > > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John:
> > > >
> > > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your
> > > > router to get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> > > > from one router this
> > > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > > >
> > > > I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes
> > > > takes a few minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> > > > each other - especially on
> > > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > > > trying to get the network to
> > > > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > > > after a few minutes,
> > > > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>; "AccessD"
> > > > <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > > needed
> > > > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> > > > needing to plug in) and
> > > > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > > > time.  I then tried and
> > > > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> > > > around, so I ordered a
> > > > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > > > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > > > longer, a very long call to
> > > > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > > > anything out, they
> > > > recommended
> > > > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > > > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > > > paycheck from my trip to work
> > > > for
> > > > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > > > November 1997?  Getting a
> > > > bit
> > > > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > > > >
> > > > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > > > before installing etc.
> > > > And
> > > > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > > > mhz processor.  So I
> > > > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > > > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
> > > >  Still no joy.  The
> > > > site
> > > > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > > > support assured me that if
> > > > > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ignorant liars!
> > > > >
> > > > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > > > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > > > around with a couple of
> > > > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> > > > in to the router config
> > > > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > > > thing I'm seeing on the
> > > > laptop
> > > > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> > > > clear idea why) I have
> > > > a
> > > > > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> > > > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > > > >
> > > > > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> > > > play around, don't quit,
> > > > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > > > thing up so that others
> > > > can't
> > > > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > > > anything since I don't really
> > > > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > > > >
> > > > > John W. Colby
> > > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Mon Nov  3 12:27:43 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:27:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <20031103182743.ZTSM2344.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.20]>

> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>

> Aw Roz can't we finish this one here?  I'm not subscribed to Tech.

Just so that you don't think Roz is the bad guy...

Nope. This thread, on AccessD is.....

Done. 

Finished.


--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Unfortunately common sense isn't so common!


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  3 12:33:22 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:33:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <20031103182743.ZTSM2344.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.20]>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEPPFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Kaputz

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 1:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>

> Aw Roz can't we finish this one here?  I'm not subscribed to Tech.

Just so that you don't think Roz is the bad guy...

Nope. This thread, on AccessD is.....

Done. 

Finished.


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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Mon Nov  3 12:41:09 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:41:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227486@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKKEFEHMAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Drew/Erwin,

  One minor correction.  Switches don't use NAT tables.  They use MAC
Address lists and ARP tables.  NAT is something done only in a router.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Read Erwins post a little while ago, was waiting for your's before I
replied! <grin>

Erwin, switches also use NAT tables.  Because of this, they don't have to
broadcast everything in all directions.  They're 'smart', when a packet
comes in, they can properly direct it.  The downside to the NAT tables is
that if you blow the NAT table away, it has to be rebuilt, so sometimes on
an initial powerup, a switch may seem slower, which is simply the time it is
using to build the NAT tables.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


And they improve speed.

Because they do not SHARE the bandwidth amongst the
ports.  A 10-BaseT hub SHARES that speed amongst the
available ports.  This dividing the individual
bandwidth per port.

A switch allocates all available bandwidth on a PER
PORT basis.

Maybe you need to learn what you are talking about
before you give out false information.

--- Erwin Craps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> And to be correct, switches don't improve speed
> (compared to hub's) they
> improve bandwith and reduce collisions!!!
> Switches create virtual point to point connections.
>
> Switches do improve speed compared to routers.
>
> Erwin
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens
> Frank Tanner III
> Verzonden: zaterdag 1 november 2003 16:23
> Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
>
>
> Switches will ALWAYS improve your speed over hubs.
> Period.
>
> Hubs SHARE the same bandwidth on all ports.
> Switches
> allocate the max bandwidth per port.
>
> You are incorrect.
>
> --- Erwin Craps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> > But switches have no sense in a 1 server
> environment
> > because all of the
> > trafic goes and comes from one point.
> > Unless your clients are 100Mb and the uplink to
> the
> > server is 1Gb.
> >
> > People often believe switches will improve their
> > network speed, but that
> > is not always the case.
> > But indeed the prices of the switches have dropped
> > that you buy a switch
> > at the price of a good hub these days.
> >
> > Erwin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> > - Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:55 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> >
> >
> > Got it. I think.  Switch can route packet based on
> > IP address but can't
> > generate an IP address.  Yes?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> >
> >
> > > It is sort of half-way, but not really.
> > >
> > > Switches are a "generation" better.  Hubs and
> > > switches, on their most basic level perform the
> > same function.  They
> > > distribute network traffic.  But HOW they
> > distribute that traffic is
> > > fundimentally different.
> > >
> > > Unless they're one of the newer layer 3 or layer
> 4 switches, they
> > > cannot perform routing functions.
> > They
> > > just hand packets off from point A to point B.
> > Think
> > > of them as sort of a postman.  They have an
> > address
> > > for each device on the network and they hand off
> > each
> > > piece of mail to the appropriate address.  A
> hub,
> > > using this sama analagy would deliver the same
> > piece
> > > of mail to every house and the one that it
> > belonged to
> > > would be the one that actually reads it.
> > >
> > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > "but it's as close as I could think of without
> > > > getting too technical."
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.  Much appreciated.  So a switch is
> > like
> > > > halfway between a hub and
> > > > a router?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:36 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > (sort
> > > > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > A router and a switch are fundimentall
> > different
> > > > > things.
> > > > >
> > > > > A router does just that.  It routes network
> > > > traffic.
> > > > >
> > > > > A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.
> > > > >
> > > > > Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and
> > layer 4
> > > > > ones can perform both functions.This isn't
> an
> > > > exact
> > > > > definition, but it's as close as I could
> think
> > of
> > > > > without getting too technical.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Is there a difference between a switch and
> a
> > > > router?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rocky
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and
> > problem
> > > > > > solving"
> > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless
> network
> > > > (sort
> > > > > > of)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address
> of
> > any
> > > > > > device
> > > > > > > or server connected to your LAN that's
> not
> > a workstation and
> > > > > > > is virtually always on.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For the price, I would also highly
> > recommend
> > > > > > removing
> > > > > > > all hubs from your network and using
> them
> > as doorstops.
> > > > > > > Switches have come way down in
> > > > price
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all
> > ports.
> > > > Thus
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all
> ports
> > > > that
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A
>
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Nov  3 12:46:29 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:46:29 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD788A@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Much better! :-)

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent:	Monday, November 03, 2003 12:54 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)
> 
> Wasn't it.  It was true air code....
> 
> How about: http://www.wolfwares.com/accessd/postinfo.asp?Post=42267
> 
> And
> 
> http://planetsourcecode.com/vb/scripts/ShowCode.asp?txtCodeId=39892&lngWId
> =1
> 
> And
> 
> http://www.wolfwares.com/accessd/postinfo.asp?Post=24221
> 
> Is that better? Sorry posted code before....<grin>  Need to clean up my
> data
> files, cause they're WAY too cluttered at the moment.  
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:17 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)
> 
> 
> Golly Gosh. That's such a great piece of example code <vbg>
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent:	Monday, November 03, 2003 12:05 PM
> > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)
> > 
> > Use ADO.  It will let you treat Excel just like any other recordset.  
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Nov  3 12:59:09 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:59:09 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <016e01c3a237$0342db40$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <006f01c3a23c$906e6fc0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Rocky
Then please do sub to dba-tech. The more the better.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: 03 November 2003 18:19
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> 
> 
> Aw Roz can't we finish this one here?  I'm not subscribed to Tech.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:24 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> 
> 
> > Nicely put. However <bzzzzz!> by being the first person to post to 
> > this thread today, you fall foul of a new policy just 
> agreed between 
> > myself and the other moderators. Don't take it personally...
> >
> > EVERYONE PLEASE NOTE: from now on we will be insisting that 
> responses 
> > to questions which really belong on one of the other lists MUST be 
> > made on
> the
> > appropriate list and not on AccessD.
> >
> > Initial requests for help can still be sent to AccessD, until it 
> > becomes clear that we have enough subscribers on the other lists to 
> > make it unneccessary, but all responses should be sent to the VB, 
> > SQL-Server or
> Tech
> > list.
> >
> > We will be sending out an official email to that effect 
> sometime soon.
> >
> > If you disagree with the policy please send a mail to 
> > ops-mod at databaseadvisors.com and we will consider your views.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Roz
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent: 03 November 2003 16:08
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > Think of a subnet as a neighborhood.  A network neighborhood.  The 
> > subnet 'mask' is a property in TCP/IP, which tells your 
> machine what 
> > IP addresses are around it.  It's a bitmask thing.
> >
> > 192.168.0.1, with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 tells the machine 
> > that 192.168.0.1 through 192.168.0.255 are around it.  If 
> the bit is 
> > turned on
> in
> > the subnet mask, IP Addresses in that subnet must have a 
> matching bit 
> > (either on or off....), if it's turned off in the subnet, 
> that bit in 
> > the
> IP
> > address can be different.  So 255.255.255.254 for a subnet, is a 
> > subnet of
> 2
> > machines.
> >
> > The reason this is important, is because subnets control how much 
> > broadcasting and browsing your machine must do, to locate other 
> > computers
> on
> > the network.  A subnet of 255.255.0.0 tells your computer there are 
> > 65k machines on the subnet, and more then likely you will 
> never find 
> > anything, because it will eventually give up.  
> 255.255.255.0 tells it 
> > there are 256
> > (255) computers on the subnet, which it should be able to 
> find just fine.
> > However, if you have a smaller network, a smaller subnet 
> speeds up the
> > 'searching'.
> >
> > That leads to what I was talking about earlier...the 
> Gateway (router).
> When
> > you tell a machine to go to 123.456.789.321, if that IP 
> Address is not 
> > on the subnet, it doesn't even bother looking, it just sends the 
> > request to
> the
> > gateway IP (router), so the router does the searching.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:53 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > O. What's a subnet?  And where do I get one?  And do I want one?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > > Yes, a switch is used to connect computers on the same subnet.  A 
> > > router
> > is
> > > used to connect subnets together.  A router is usually also a 
> > > switch, so
> > it
> > > can connect computers on the same subnet, AND connect one 
> subnet to
> > another.
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> > >
> > >
> > > Is there a difference between a switch and a router?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> > >
> > >
> > > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any device
> > > > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > > > workstation and is virtually always on.
> > > >
> > > > For the price, I would also highly recommend removing
> > > > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > > > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price and
> > > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > > >
> > > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus if
> > > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that are processing 
> > > > data split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each port gets the fill 
> > > > bandwidth.
> > > >
> > > > That's not including the security issues inherent with hubs as 
> > > > they broadcast all available data to all available ports rather 
> > > > than to the proper destination port.
> > > >
> > > > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy 
> chaining my 
> > > > > old 4 port router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The 
> > > > > newer models even figure out what kind of cable you 
> are using, 
> > > > > crossover or regular.  The biggest
> > > > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp server
> > > > > so I had to turn off the
> > > > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also
> > > > > hardwired the address of
> > > > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4
> > > > > port routers isn't a
> > > > > panacea however since you now end up using two ports
> > > > > just for the daisy
> > > > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > > > > have a wireless so I can
> > > > > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > > > > other computers in if
> > > > > needed.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the 
> internet to 
> > > > > "call in" for programming.  I had to snake a cable 
> down the wall 
> > > > > from the living room (luckily exactly over my office in the 
> > > > > basement).  I understand that the
> > > > > model II has USB ports that can automatically use
> > > > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > > > connect to the internet.
> > > > >
> > > > > John W. Colby
> > > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > > > > of)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > John:
> > > > >
> > > > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on 
> > > > > your router to get more ports and that you can go up to 255 
> > > > > devices from one router this way.  Seems to easy and cheap, 
> > > > > though.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes 
> > > > > takes a few minutes for the different shared devices to 'see' 
> > > > > each other - especially on the wireless.  So I'll 
> whang around 
> > > > > frustrated trying to get the network to
> > > > > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > > > > after a few minutes,
> > > > > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > > > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)" 
> > > > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>; "AccessD" 
> > > > > <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > > > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > > > needed
> > > > > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> > > > > needing to plug in) and
> > > > > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > > > > time.  I then tried and
> > > > > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> > > > > around, so I ordered a
> > > > > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > > > > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > > > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > > > > longer, a very long call to
> > > > > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > > > > anything out, they
> > > > > recommended
> > > > > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > > > > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > > > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > > > > paycheck from my trip to work
> > > > > for
> > > > > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > > > > November 1997?  Getting a
> > > > > bit
> > > > > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > > > > before installing etc.
> > > > > And
> > > > > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > > > > mhz processor.  So I
> > > > > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > > > > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > > > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
> > > > >  Still no joy.  The
> > > > > site
> > > > > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > > > > support assured me that if
> > > > > > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ignorant liars!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > > > > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > > > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > > > > around with a couple of
> > > > > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> > > > > in to the router config
> > > > > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > > > > thing I'm seeing on the
> > > > > laptop
> > > > > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> > > > > clear idea why) I have
> > > > > a
> > > > > > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> > > > > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> > > > > play around, don't quit,
> > > > > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > > > > thing up so that others
> > > > > can't
> > > > > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > > > > anything since I don't really
> > > > > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John W. Colby
> > > > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Mon Nov  3 13:05:14 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:05:14 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] How to prevent a mess
Message-ID: <20031103130514.159175744.serbach@new.rr.com>

David,

Thanks very much for the reply.

I might try indirect synchronization if my client had a server. He has Windows networking set up in his office...just peer-to-peer, no server of any kind.

I've looked through the documentation for Replication on MSDN already. It hasn't been very helpful to me. There just seems to be a dearth of information that is instructional or analytical rather than feature-oriented, like the MSDN site.

Just to fill in some blanks, my client has Windows XP workstations at his office with Windows networking. There are a half dozen people with laptops that roam around the state that do data entry in my new application. This data needs to be merged with the master database at the home office periodically...there's no need for immediate updates. That's why I thought I could send CDs back and forth. The data that's entered includes GIF photographs stored in one of the Access tables...thus, the amount of data being replicated could be substantial.

I don't want to make a mess out of things, that's for sure...but I'm at a loss to come up with a workable plan for my client's situation. I'm going to look at Kaplan's replication tool to see if that might help.

I don't suppose there's a chance that the Access database could be moved to a web server on a web host and have replication performed in some fashion?

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Nov  3 13:11:17 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:11:17 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Powerpoint question
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD788A@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <007101c3a23e$42215a60$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

This is first trial of new policy. I'm cross-posting to AccesD and the
Tech list but please reply ONLY to the the tech list as this is no way
Access-related - I just need guidance.

Are there any Powerpoint experts out there? If so can someone tell me
what, if any, are the main pros and cons of the Office 97, 2000 and XP
versions of Powerpoint? And which is the best, and why? I've read the MS
docs on this but am interested in "real" experience.

Thanks in advance for any help. And if you're not yet on the tech list
you can subscribe via
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 




From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 13:18:31 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:18:31 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227493@main2.marlow.com>

Yes and no.  When you give it a name, let's say a a UNC path, like
\\SomeServer\SomeShare.  The first thing it is going to do, is resolve
'SomeServer' to an IP Address.  It does this in many ways, one of which is
computer browsing.  Computer browsing is a 'sloppy' (I say this with respect
though, because I'm sure it wasn't easy to create), method of 'learning' the
LAN.  If you have a subnet of 255.255.255.0, you machine thinks there is a
POSSIBILITY of 256 IP Addresses on it's subnet, so it will initially try to
'find' everything. (Actually it looks for a Master Browser....it gets
detailed on what it does).  

The point is, you want a subnet big enough to handle the number of computers
you want to group together, yet small enough to prevent massive browsing.  

Ooops, just re-read your question.  You're router doesn't think that, your
computer does.  If your router is acting as the DHCP server, it will
actually 'know' how many computers are out there, since it's handing out the
IP Addresses.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 12:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


So I just did and IPCONFIG through the dos command and find my IP is
192.168.1.101 and the subnet is 255.255.255.0.

So does my router think I might have as many as 256 machines (or addressable
devices, I guess) connected to IP 192.168.1.101?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:08 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> Think of a subnet as a neighborhood.  A network neighborhood.  The subnet
> 'mask' is a property in TCP/IP, which tells your machine what IP addresses
> are around it.  It's a bitmask thing.
>
> 192.168.0.1, with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 tells the machine that
> 192.168.0.1 through 192.168.0.255 are around it.  If the bit is turned on
in
> the subnet mask, IP Addresses in that subnet must have a matching bit
> (either on or off....), if it's turned off in the subnet, that bit in the
IP
> address can be different.  So 255.255.255.254 for a subnet, is a subnet of
2
> machines.
>
> The reason this is important, is because subnets control how much
> broadcasting and browsing your machine must do, to locate other computers
on
> the network.  A subnet of 255.255.0.0 tells your computer there are 65k
> machines on the subnet, and more then likely you will never find anything,
> because it will eventually give up.  255.255.255.0 tells it there are 256
> (255) computers on the subnet, which it should be able to find just fine.
> However, if you have a smaller network, a smaller subnet speeds up the
> 'searching'.
>
> That leads to what I was talking about earlier...the Gateway (router).
When
> you tell a machine to go to 123.456.789.321, if that IP Address is not on
> the subnet, it doesn't even bother looking, it just sends the request to
the
> gateway IP (router), so the router does the searching.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:53 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> O. What's a subnet?  And where do I get one?  And do I want one?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> > Yes, a switch is used to connect computers on the same subnet.  A router
> is
> > used to connect subnets together.  A router is usually also a switch, so
> it
> > can connect computers on the same subnet, AND connect one subnet to
> another.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > Is there a difference between a switch and a router?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any device
> > > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > > workstation and is virtually always on.
> > >
> > > For the price, I would also highly recommend removing
> > > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price and
> > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > >
> > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus if
> > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that are
> > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each
> > > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> > >
> > > That's not including the security issues inherent with
> > > hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
> > > available ports rather than to the proper destination
> > > port.
> > >
> > > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy
> > > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > > router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The
> > > > newer models even figure
> > > > out what kind of cable you are using, crossover or
> > > > regular.  The biggest
> > > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp server
> > > > so I had to turn off the
> > > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also
> > > > hardwired the address of
> > > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4
> > > > port routers isn't a
> > > > panacea however since you now end up using two ports
> > > > just for the daisy
> > > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > > > have a wireless so I can
> > > > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > > > other computers in if
> > > > needed.
> > > >
> > > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the
> > > > internet to "call in"
> > > > for programming.  I had to snake a cable down the
> > > > wall from the living room
> > > > (luckily exactly over my office in the basement).  I
> > > > understand that the
> > > > model II has USB ports that can automatically use
> > > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > > connect to the internet.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > > > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John:
> > > >
> > > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> > > > ports on your router to
> > > > get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> > > > from one router this
> > > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > > >
> > > > I've also found that when creating a new network it
> > > > sometimes takes a few
> > > > minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> > > > each other - especially on
> > > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > > > trying to get the network to
> > > > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > > > after a few minutes,
> > > > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > > > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > > needed
> > > > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> > > > needing to plug in) and
> > > > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > > > time.  I then tried and
> > > > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> > > > around, so I ordered a
> > > > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > > > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > > > longer, a very long call to
> > > > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > > > anything out, they
> > > > recommended
> > > > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > > > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > > > paycheck from my trip to work
> > > > for
> > > > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > > > November 1997?  Getting a
> > > > bit
> > > > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > > > >
> > > > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > > > before installing etc.
> > > > And
> > > > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > > > mhz processor.  So I
> > > > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > > > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
> > > >  Still no joy.  The
> > > > site
> > > > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > > > support assured me that if
> > > > > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ignorant liars!
> > > > >
> > > > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > > > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > > > around with a couple of
> > > > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> > > > in to the router config
> > > > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > > > thing I'm seeing on the
> > > > laptop
> > > > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> > > > clear idea why) I have
> > > > a
> > > > > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> > > > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > > > >
> > > > > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> > > > play around, don't quit,
> > > > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > > > thing up so that others
> > > > can't
> > > > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > > > anything since I don't really
> > > > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > > > >
> > > > > John W. Colby
> > > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 13:19:25 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:19:25 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227494@main2.marlow.com>

Ack, need sleep....you're right.  Too many TLA's at the moment.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Dettman [mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 12:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Drew/Erwin,

  One minor correction.  Switches don't use NAT tables.  They use MAC
Address lists and ARP tables.  NAT is something done only in a router.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Read Erwins post a little while ago, was waiting for your's before I
replied! <grin>

Erwin, switches also use NAT tables.  Because of this, they don't have to
broadcast everything in all directions.  They're 'smart', when a packet
comes in, they can properly direct it.  The downside to the NAT tables is
that if you blow the NAT table away, it has to be rebuilt, so sometimes on
an initial powerup, a switch may seem slower, which is simply the time it is
using to build the NAT tables.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


And they improve speed.

Because they do not SHARE the bandwidth amongst the
ports.  A 10-BaseT hub SHARES that speed amongst the
available ports.  This dividing the individual
bandwidth per port.

A switch allocates all available bandwidth on a PER
PORT basis.

Maybe you need to learn what you are talking about
before you give out false information.

--- Erwin Craps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> And to be correct, switches don't improve speed
> (compared to hub's) they
> improve bandwith and reduce collisions!!!
> Switches create virtual point to point connections.
>
> Switches do improve speed compared to routers.
>
> Erwin
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens
> Frank Tanner III
> Verzonden: zaterdag 1 november 2003 16:23
> Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
>
>
> Switches will ALWAYS improve your speed over hubs.
> Period.
>
> Hubs SHARE the same bandwidth on all ports.
> Switches
> allocate the max bandwidth per port.
>
> You are incorrect.
>
> --- Erwin Craps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> > But switches have no sense in a 1 server
> environment
> > because all of the
> > trafic goes and comes from one point.
> > Unless your clients are 100Mb and the uplink to
> the
> > server is 1Gb.
> >
> > People often believe switches will improve their
> > network speed, but that
> > is not always the case.
> > But indeed the prices of the switches have dropped
> > that you buy a switch
> > at the price of a good hub these days.
> >
> > Erwin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> > - Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:55 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> >
> >
> > Got it. I think.  Switch can route packet based on
> > IP address but can't
> > generate an IP address.  Yes?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> >
> >
> > > It is sort of half-way, but not really.
> > >
> > > Switches are a "generation" better.  Hubs and
> > > switches, on their most basic level perform the
> > same function.  They
> > > distribute network traffic.  But HOW they
> > distribute that traffic is
> > > fundimentally different.
> > >
> > > Unless they're one of the newer layer 3 or layer
> 4 switches, they
> > > cannot perform routing functions.
> > They
> > > just hand packets off from point A to point B.
> > Think
> > > of them as sort of a postman.  They have an
> > address
> > > for each device on the network and they hand off
> > each
> > > piece of mail to the appropriate address.  A
> hub,
> > > using this sama analagy would deliver the same
> > piece
> > > of mail to every house and the one that it
> > belonged to
> > > would be the one that actually reads it.
> > >
> > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > "but it's as close as I could think of without
> > > > getting too technical."
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.  Much appreciated.  So a switch is
> > like
> > > > halfway between a hub and
> > > > a router?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:36 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > (sort
> > > > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > A router and a switch are fundimentall
> > different
> > > > > things.
> > > > >
> > > > > A router does just that.  It routes network
> > > > traffic.
> > > > >
> > > > > A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.
> > > > >
> > > > > Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and
> > layer 4
> > > > > ones can perform both functions.This isn't
> an
> > > > exact
> > > > > definition, but it's as close as I could
> think
> > of
> > > > > without getting too technical.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Is there a difference between a switch and
> a
> > > > router?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rocky
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and
> > problem
> > > > > > solving"
> > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless
> network
> > > > (sort
> > > > > > of)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address
> of
> > any
> > > > > > device
> > > > > > > or server connected to your LAN that's
> not
> > a workstation and
> > > > > > > is virtually always on.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For the price, I would also highly
> > recommend
> > > > > > removing
> > > > > > > all hubs from your network and using
> them
> > as doorstops.
> > > > > > > Switches have come way down in
> > > > price
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all
> > ports.
> > > > Thus
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all
> ports
> > > > that
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Nov  3 13:28:20 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:28:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
References: <8615823653.20031103132209@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <3FA6AC54.4060600@shaw.ca>

Haven't touched onenote.

I have played around with InfoPath, I think it is MS first pass at XForms
They only released the XForm recomendation from W3C in last couple of 
months.
You can use with SQL Server and Access and use through IE explorer
some notes I made while playing around. Look at decision tree on when to 
use.
Security and cross or multi domain use still have a way to go or are 
incomplete.
You need IIS to test out completely.


Info Path SQL Server link sets all your info path forms to specific 
server should be run intially before use
http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ipsdk/html/ipsdkConfiguringTheSampleForms.asp

----------------------

Decision tree when to use InfoPath
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/odc_ip2003_ta/html/odc_IPInfoPathDecisionTree02.gif
and
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/odc_ip2003_ta/html/odc_ipinfopathdecisiontree.asp

----------------------
Internet domains can be really tricky. For reference,
path you browse to to fill out the form (ie. 
http://myServer/mySite/myForm.xsn)
see Regform tool from SDK about .xsf

verify the safety settings in internet explorer tool->options security
tab-> and enable allow data access across domains
---------------------

Exercise 1 Designing a Form from a Database
In this exercise, you will create a new form based on a database.

1. Open InfoPath and click Design a Form& on the File menu. This brings up
the Design a Form task pane.
2. In the Design a Form task pane, click New from Data Source&.
3. In the Data Source Setup Wizard dialog box, select Database (Microsoft
SQL Server or Microsoft Office Access only) as the type of data source you
want to use for your form and click the Next button.
4. Click the Select Database& button.
5. Browse to the Northwind.mdb database in the "C:\Program Files\Microsoft
Office\Office11\Samples" directory and click the Open button.
6. In the Select Table dialog box, select the Orders table and click the OK
button.
7. In the Data Source Setup Wizard dialog box, click the Add Table& button.
8. In the Add Table or Query dialog box, select the Order Details table and
click the Next button.
9. In the Edit Relationship dialog box, InfoPath has already detected the
relationship between the Orders table and the Order Details table because
there is a field named OrderID in both tables. Click the Finish button.
10. In the Data Source Setup Wizard dialog box, click the Edit SQL& button.

11. In the Edit SQL dialog box, examine the ADO Shape query InfoPath uses
to find data in the Orders and Order Details tables. Click the OK button.
12. In the Data Source Setup Wizard dialog box, click the Next button, and
then the Finish button. InfoPath creates a new form based on the Orders
and Order Details tables.
13. Save the new form as "NorthwindOrderQuery.xsn".

Exercise 2 Designing the Data Entry View
In this exercise, you will design the Data Entry view of the
NorthwindOrderQuery form.

1. In the Controls task pane, click Views to switch to the Views task pane.
2. In the Views task pane, click the Data Entry view.
3. In the Views task pane, click Data Source to switch to the Data Source
task pane.
4. Expand the dataFields tree in the Data Source task pane.
5. Drag the d:Orders group from the Data Source task pane onto the form
area. From the context menu listing the available controls for the
d:Orders group, select Repeating Section with Controls.
6. Lay out the controls in the form area in any way that suits you. Figure
6 contains an example layout you can follow.
7. Save the changes you made to the form.

Test the Form
1. Click the Preview Form button on the Standard toolbar.
2. On the View menu, click Query.
3. In the OrderID control, type "11068" and click the Run Query button.
Examine the data returned from the query.
4. On the View menu, click Query.
5. Clear the OrderID control.
6. In the CustomerID control, type "ALFKI" and click the Run Query button.
Examine the data returned from the query.
7. Try other query parameters. When you have finished, click the Close
Preview button on the Standard toolbar.

Exercise 3 Designing the Query View
In this exercise, you will design the Query view of the NorthwindOrderQuery
form.

1. On the View menu, click Manage Views& to bring up the Views task pane.
2. On the Views task pane, click Query.
3. Click Select All on the Edit menu to select all of the controls and text
in the form area.
4. Click Cut on the Edit menu to delete all of the elements.
5. In the Data Source task pane, expand the queryFields tree, and then
expand the q:Orders tree.
6. Drag the OrderID field from the Data Source task pane onto the form area.
7. In the Data Source task pane, click Controls to switch to the Controls
task pane.
8. From the Controls task pane, drag a Button control onto the form.
9. Right-click on the Button control and click Button Properties&.
10. In the Action drop-down list box of the Button Properties dialog box,
select Run Query and then click OK.
11. Drag another Button control from the Controls task pane onto the form
next to the Run Query button.
12. Right-click on the Button control and click Button Properties&.
13. In the Action drop-down list box of the Button Properties dialog box,
select New Record and then click OK.
14. Lay out the controls on the form in any way you see fit. Figure 7
includes an example layout.
15. Save the changes you made to the form.

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How to point to an Access File rather than SQL changes

Inside the .xsf file you will likely find an <xsf:query> element.
Inside that is an <xsf:adoAdapter> element which includes information
about the data source.

You will likely see something like the following (the
<xsf:adoAdapter>element is on a single horribly long line in the
original code but my newsreader breaks the line):

<xsf:query>
<xsf:adoAdapter
connectionString="Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Password=&quot;&quot;;User
ID=Admin;Data Source=C:\Program Files\Microsoft
Office\OFFICE11\SAMPLES\INFOPATH\INFNWIND.MDB;Mode=Share Deny
None;Extended Properties=&quot;&quot;;Jet OLEDB:System
database=&quot;&quot;;Jet OLEDB:Registry Path=&quot;&quot;;Jet
OLEDB:Database Password=&quot;&quot;;Jet OLEDB:Engine Type=5;Jet
OLEDB:Database Locking Mode=1;Jet OLEDB:Global Partial Bulk Ops=2;Jet
OLEDB:Global Bulk Transactions=1;Jet OLEDB:New Database
Password=&quot;&quot;;Jet OLEDB:Create System Database=False;Jet
OLEDB:Encrypt Database=False;Jet OLEDB:Don't Copy Locale on
Compact=False;Jet OLEDB:Compact Without Replica Repair=False;Jet
OLEDB:SFP=False" commandText="select
[CustomerID],[CompanyName],[ContactName],[ContactTitle] from
[Customers] as [Customers]" queryAllowed="yes"
submitAllowed="yes"></xsf:adoAdapter>
</xsf:query>

Edit the information about the Data Source in the connection string.

Be careful not to end up with a split line for the <xsf:adoAdapter>
element in your code after editing, since that may cause errors.

Republish the form.


Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi all
>
>Anyone familiar with these new products and if they somehow relate to
>Access?
>
>I've tried to browse some brochures but they are so hyped that it is
>just plain impossible to figure out wether these apps are fancy toys
>which will bring any machine to a crawl or if they could be useful
>tools in cooperation with Access and database applications.
>
>And how are the programmed if you wish to create custom build apps?
>I've located this link to a SDK related to InfoPath:
>
>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616-93aa-4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en
>
>but it looks like you need to take a deep breath and have a weekend
>set aside.
>
>Also, how much are they relying on specific MS server software like
>SharePoint or Exchange or pure MS environments or Office 2003 only? If
>so, the usefulness is very limited as our clients use a variety of
>systems. 
>
>/gustav
>
>_______________________________________________
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 13:34:16 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:34:16 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] Powerpoint question
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227495@main2.marlow.com>

Actually, this ties DIRECTLY into Access.  My full time employer is still
running Office 97 across the board.  There are a few dual 97/2k setups, and
several Outlook upgrades.  Recently we've been getting 'user requests' to
upgrade to a more current version of Office.  And here's what I've put
together as pro's vs. con's.  It's pretty simple.

The biggest difference between the versions of Office can be split into two
categories (which is why this is Access related).

Access

and 

Everything else

I develop everything I can with Access 97, because it's rock solid, though
A2k allows VBA 6, which includes custom events. The upgrade in VBA is quite
frankly the only plus I see between A97 and A2k (haven't really used AXP
much to give an opinion on that).

Everything else keeps improving version to version.  I have and have used
Front Page 98, 2000, and 2002.  Each one was a VAST improvement on the next.
Word and Excel have improved, but not much for what I use them for.  The big
changes there is more options and better interoperability.  (I believe Word
2002 allows multiple users to work on the same document simultaneously).
Same with Power Point.  More options.  You can make presentation prettier
with more effects and themes.  The one big improvement in 'everything else',
that I have latched onto, is that each version is better at creating web
documents.  Take PP 97.  Make a presentation, and then save it as a web
page.  First, the wizard is a 100 step nightmare, and what you get at the
end is a monstrousity.  Use PP 2000, and it works it's magic effortlessly,
and you end up with a pretty good HTML representation of your presentation.
Same with Excel and Word.  And you can work with the HTML versions just like
you would with their native file format partners.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Powerpoint question


This is first trial of new policy. I'm cross-posting to AccesD and the
Tech list but please reply ONLY to the the tech list as this is no way
Access-related - I just need guidance.

Are there any Powerpoint experts out there? If so can someone tell me
what, if any, are the main pros and cons of the Office 97, 2000 and XP
versions of Powerpoint? And which is the best, and why? I've read the MS
docs on this but am interested in "real" experience.

Thanks in advance for any help. And if you're not yet on the tech list
you can subscribe via
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Nov  3 14:02:38 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 09:02:38 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] How to prevent a mess
In-Reply-To: <20031103130514.159175744.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031104084253.00b1d0e8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Comments inline-

At 3/11/2003, you wrote:
>I might try indirect synchronization if my client had a server. He has 
>Windows networking set up in his office...just peer-to-peer, no server of 
>any kind.

I don't think you need a 'server' as such - just a computer with NT 4.0 or 
higher (Windows XP pro may even work).  All the laptops need to do is to 
set up a dialup link so that they can access a folder on the main 
computer.  Then replication does the rest.  Check out the replication 
documentation for indirect synchronization.

>I don't suppose there's a chance that the Access database could be moved 
>to a web server on a web host and have replication performed in some fashion?

Avoid internet synchronization - unless post 97 versions have improved 
(which I don't think they have), you are left with no security to prevent 
hackers attacking your server (internet synchronization doesn't work with 
firewalls etc).


Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 


From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Mon Nov  3 14:56:05 2003
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 14:56:05 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] EDI data file
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A0330603F@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

Has anyone ever worked with an X12/EDI data file?  Can it be imported into
an Access 97 table?  We're getting a file back that we're supposed to use to
lookup the status of billings but it needs to be parsed.  The (very) limited
help on the web site where we download the file from says we need to use a
conversion program to get the X12 file to a readable format.

Any help would be much appreciated.

TIA

Rusty


From serbach at new.rr.com  Mon Nov  3 15:10:57 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:10:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] How to prevent a mess
Message-ID: <20031103151057.1047975120.serbach@new.rr.com>

David,

Thanks for staying in step with me on this.

>> just a computer with NT 4.0 or > higher (Windows XP pro may even work) <<

Hah! When I helped my client network his desktops and wireless laptops a couple of weeks ago, I recommended that all the PCs be upgraded to XP Professional. No such luck...they're all (except for one ME) XP Home. However, I think I can persuade him to kick in for an upgrade on his main system to get this remote replication thing operational. I will indeed check out the indirect synchronization thing.

>> internet synchronization doesn't work with firewalls etc <<

Interesting. So putting an Access BE up on a web host would pretty much put it out of reach since the web host is bound to have a router, right?

Thanks,

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Nov  3 15:05:10 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:05:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
References: <8615823653.20031103132209@cactus.dk> <3FA6AC54.4060600@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <3FA6C306.9030506@shaw.ca>

Here are some other uses of  InfoPath from Jean Paoli, the architect of 
Microsoft Office's XML

http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/02/20/08stratdev_1.html

MartyConnelly wrote:

> Haven't touched onenote.
>
> I have played around with InfoPath, I think it is MS first pass at XForms
> They only released the XForm recomendation from W3C in last couple of 
> months.
> You can use with SQL Server and Access and use through IE explorer
> some notes I made while playing around. Look at decision tree on when 
> to use.
> Security and cross or multi domain use still have a way to go or are 
> incomplete.
> You need IIS to test out completely.
>
>
> Info Path SQL Server link sets all your info path forms to specific 
> server should be run intially before use
> http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ipsdk/html/ipsdkConfiguringTheSampleForms.asp 
>
>
> ----------------------
>
> Decision tree when to use InfoPath
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/odc_ip2003_ta/html/odc_IPInfoPathDecisionTree02.gif 
>
> and
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/odc_ip2003_ta/html/odc_ipinfopathdecisiontree.asp 
>
>
> ----------------------
> Internet domains can be really tricky. For reference,
> path you browse to to fill out the form (ie. 
> http://myServer/mySite/myForm.xsn)
> see Regform tool from SDK about .xsf
>
> verify the safety settings in internet explorer tool->options security
> tab-> and enable allow data access across domains
> ---------------------
>
> Exercise 1 Designing a Form from a Database
> In this exercise, you will create a new form based on a database.
>
> 1. Open InfoPath and click Design a Form& on the File menu. This 
> brings up
> the Design a Form task pane.
> 2. In the Design a Form task pane, click New from Data Source&.
> 3. In the Data Source Setup Wizard dialog box, select Database (Microsoft
> SQL Server or Microsoft Office Access only) as the type of data source 
> you
> want to use for your form and click the Next button.
> 4. Click the Select Database& button.
> 5. Browse to the Northwind.mdb database in the "C:\Program 
> Files\Microsoft
> Office\Office11\Samples" directory and click the Open button.
> 6. In the Select Table dialog box, select the Orders table and click 
> the OK
> button.
> 7. In the Data Source Setup Wizard dialog box, click the Add Table& 
> button.
> 8. In the Add Table or Query dialog box, select the Order Details 
> table and
> click the Next button.
> 9. In the Edit Relationship dialog box, InfoPath has already detected the
> relationship between the Orders table and the Order Details table because
> there is a field named OrderID in both tables. Click the Finish button.
> 10. In the Data Source Setup Wizard dialog box, click the Edit SQL& 
> button.
>
> 11. In the Edit SQL dialog box, examine the ADO Shape query InfoPath uses
> to find data in the Orders and Order Details tables. Click the OK button.
> 12. In the Data Source Setup Wizard dialog box, click the Next button, 
> and
> then the Finish button. InfoPath creates a new form based on the Orders
> and Order Details tables.
> 13. Save the new form as "NorthwindOrderQuery.xsn".
>
> Exercise 2 Designing the Data Entry View
> In this exercise, you will design the Data Entry view of the
> NorthwindOrderQuery form.
>
> 1. In the Controls task pane, click Views to switch to the Views task 
> pane.
> 2. In the Views task pane, click the Data Entry view.
> 3. In the Views task pane, click Data Source to switch to the Data Source
> task pane.
> 4. Expand the dataFields tree in the Data Source task pane.
> 5. Drag the d:Orders group from the Data Source task pane onto the form
> area. From the context menu listing the available controls for the
> d:Orders group, select Repeating Section with Controls.
> 6. Lay out the controls in the form area in any way that suits you. 
> Figure
> 6 contains an example layout you can follow.
> 7. Save the changes you made to the form.
>
> Test the Form
> 1. Click the Preview Form button on the Standard toolbar.
> 2. On the View menu, click Query.
> 3. In the OrderID control, type "11068" and click the Run Query button.
> Examine the data returned from the query.
> 4. On the View menu, click Query.
> 5. Clear the OrderID control.
> 6. In the CustomerID control, type "ALFKI" and click the Run Query 
> button.
> Examine the data returned from the query.
> 7. Try other query parameters. When you have finished, click the Close
> Preview button on the Standard toolbar.
>
> Exercise 3 Designing the Query View
> In this exercise, you will design the Query view of the 
> NorthwindOrderQuery
> form.
>
> 1. On the View menu, click Manage Views& to bring up the Views task pane.
> 2. On the Views task pane, click Query.
> 3. Click Select All on the Edit menu to select all of the controls and 
> text
> in the form area.
> 4. Click Cut on the Edit menu to delete all of the elements.
> 5. In the Data Source task pane, expand the queryFields tree, and then
> expand the q:Orders tree.
> 6. Drag the OrderID field from the Data Source task pane onto the form 
> area.
> 7. In the Data Source task pane, click Controls to switch to the Controls
> task pane.
> 8. From the Controls task pane, drag a Button control onto the form.
> 9. Right-click on the Button control and click Button Properties&.
> 10. In the Action drop-down list box of the Button Properties dialog box,
> select Run Query and then click OK.
> 11. Drag another Button control from the Controls task pane onto the form
> next to the Run Query button.
> 12. Right-click on the Button control and click Button Properties&.
> 13. In the Action drop-down list box of the Button Properties dialog box,
> select New Record and then click OK.
> 14. Lay out the controls on the form in any way you see fit. Figure 7
> includes an example layout.
> 15. Save the changes you made to the form.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> How to point to an Access File rather than SQL changes
>
> Inside the .xsf file you will likely find an <xsf:query> element.
> Inside that is an <xsf:adoAdapter> element which includes information
> about the data source.
>
> You will likely see something like the following (the
> <xsf:adoAdapter>element is on a single horribly long line in the
> original code but my newsreader breaks the line):
>
> <xsf:query>
> <xsf:adoAdapter
> connectionString="Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Password=&quot;&quot;;User 
>
> ID=Admin;Data Source=C:\Program Files\Microsoft
> Office\OFFICE11\SAMPLES\INFOPATH\INFNWIND.MDB;Mode=Share Deny
> None;Extended Properties=&quot;&quot;;Jet OLEDB:System
> database=&quot;&quot;;Jet OLEDB:Registry Path=&quot;&quot;;Jet
> OLEDB:Database Password=&quot;&quot;;Jet OLEDB:Engine Type=5;Jet
> OLEDB:Database Locking Mode=1;Jet OLEDB:Global Partial Bulk Ops=2;Jet
> OLEDB:Global Bulk Transactions=1;Jet OLEDB:New Database
> Password=&quot;&quot;;Jet OLEDB:Create System Database=False;Jet
> OLEDB:Encrypt Database=False;Jet OLEDB:Don't Copy Locale on
> Compact=False;Jet OLEDB:Compact Without Replica Repair=False;Jet
> OLEDB:SFP=False" commandText="select
> [CustomerID],[CompanyName],[ContactName],[ContactTitle] from
> [Customers] as [Customers]" queryAllowed="yes"
> submitAllowed="yes"></xsf:adoAdapter>
> </xsf:query>
>
> Edit the information about the Data Source in the connection string.
>
> Be careful not to end up with a split line for the <xsf:adoAdapter>
> element in your code after editing, since that may cause errors.
>
> Republish the form.
>
>
> Gustav Brock wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Anyone familiar with these new products and if they somehow relate to
>> Access?
>>
>> I've tried to browse some brochures but they are so hyped that it is
>> just plain impossible to figure out wether these apps are fancy toys
>> which will bring any machine to a crawl or if they could be useful
>> tools in cooperation with Access and database applications.
>>
>> And how are the programmed if you wish to create custom build apps?
>> I've located this link to a SDK related to InfoPath:
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616-93aa-4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en 
>>
>>
>> but it looks like you need to take a deep breath and have a weekend
>> set aside.
>>
>> Also, how much are they relying on specific MS server software like
>> SharePoint or Exchange or pure MS environments or Office 2003 only? If
>> so, the usefulness is very limited as our clients use a variety of
>> systems.
>> /gustav
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>  
>>
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From selina at easydatabases.com.au  Mon Nov  3 15:12:56 2003
From: selina at easydatabases.com.au (Selina Iddon)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:12:56 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Hourly Backups Of Access Data
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222748E@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c3a24f$4119ecc0$6465000a@venus>

Howdy
I suppose it depends upon the database, but the 'techie' guy I work with has
put in place some little .bat files that copy the database on the hour to a
particular directory and depending upon the .bat file and time, places it in
a 1100, 1200, 1300 etc directory.  That way if we can go back to any time in
the last 24hrs without going to the nightly backup tapes.  It works very
well, he had to put some commands in the startup of the server to do it,
(I'm not up on that side of things in case it's not painfully obvious) but
it certainly doesn't kick anyone out whilst performing the copies.  I
suppose you could add a line to the .bat file to compact them.
Cheers
Selina

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Databases
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:42 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Hourly Backups Of Access Data


> Ya, just import them into a new db.  You should be able to import them
> without having to kick anyone out!
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:00 AM
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] Hourly Backups Of Access Data
>
>
> To all,
> Is there anyway I can create a backup of all the tables in a database,
> without bringing all the users out of the database.
> Paul
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Mon Nov  3 15:34:21 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:34:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] EDI data file
Message-ID: <20031103153421.1143797734.serbach@new.rr.com>

Rusty,

>> The (very) limited help on the web site where we download the file from says we need to use a conversion program to get the X12 file to a readable format. Any help would be much appreciated. <<

Welcome to EDI. In the past three weeks I've visited a few dozen EDI sites trying to get some good examples so that I can do that very thing you're talking about. I'd had some limited EDI experience in the past. My client wants a more customized solution without having to buy a full-bore EDI package that includes every document type under the sun.

The amount of help is, indeed, very limited. There are no books on EDI at the library. Barnes & Noble doesn't stock any. On top of that, just last week I discovered that a sizeable component of good EDI programs is the error-trapping; that is, an X12 file can have errors in it. If your software doesn't allow for that, then you have junk.

EDI specs are difficult to translate into a neat and orderly relational model. So you'd have quite a task making up tables to represent the EDI "model."

I found a company that provides a moderately-priced tool to read and translate EDI transactions using a Windows object model. Thus you can roll your own EDI software and use the classes provided for EDI transactions just as you use any other class. They provide samples in VB, Delphi, C++.NET, and FoxPro. I used their 60-day eval program to detect an error in transmission of a test X12 Purchase Order for a project I'm doing for a client of mine.

The product is called Framework EDI. The Professional version is $950. There's an "Enterprise" and "Universal" version, too. I've persuaded my client to bite the bullet and buy it since he'd have to pay me a lot more to code something that wouldn't work nearly so well. Here's the web site:

http://www.edidev.com/

Of course, there are tons of EDI software sites on the web. This one was different in that it offered a developer's toolbox sort of thing rather than a complete package from A-Z.

Good luck!

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Nov  3 15:49:41 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:49:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] EDI data file
References: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A0330603F@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>
Message-ID: <3FA6CD75.1000308@shaw.ca>

You can translate or map EDI to csv, flatfiles or xml
 I suggested to one company to convert or map  to xml then bring into 
Access or SQL via ADO or XMLDOM.
 They used  goXML product from Altova with XMLSPY to do the conversion. 
It is expensive but necessary if you have a lot of different EDI 
formats. There are different templates for EDI X12
like 850 and 810. or
HIPAA templates ::
EDI X12 - 270 Eligibility, Coverage or Benefit Inquiry
EDI X12 - 271 Eligibility, Coverage or Benefit Inquiry
EDI X12 - 276 Health Care Claim Status Request
EDI X12 - 277 Health Care Claim Status Notification
EDI X12 - 820 Payment Order Remittance Advice
EDI X12 - 834 Benefit Enrollment and Maintenance
EDI X12 - 835 Health Care Claim Payment Advice
EDI X12 - 837 Health Care Claim

A cheaper conversion program would be ETAsoft for around $2000
http://www.xtranslator.com/index.htm

There is a recent book on subject with examples  but uses Java C++
Using XML with Legacy Business Applications
by Michael C. Rawlins
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0321154940/qid%3D1063200555/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/002-5838316-1411229

You might find cheaper translation software at www.xml.org or 
www.oasis.org or maybe MS eBiz server site

rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com wrote:

>Has anyone ever worked with an X12/EDI data file?  Can it be imported into
>an Access 97 table?  We're getting a file back that we're supposed to use to
>lookup the status of billings but it needs to be parsed.  The (very) limited
>help on the web site where we download the file from says we need to use a
>conversion program to get the X12 file to a readable format.
>
>Any help would be much appreciated.
>
>TIA
>
>Rusty
>
>_______________________________________________
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Mon Nov  3 16:06:15 2003
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:06:15 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] EDI data file
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A03306040@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

Thanks Steve.  Not exactly what I wanted to hear but it is what I thought I
might hear.  Oh well, if this work was always easy I wouldn't have a job,
right?


----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 3:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] EDI data file


Rusty,

>> The (very) limited help on the web site where we download the file from
says we need to use a conversion program to get the X12 file to a readable
format. Any help would be much appreciated. <<

Welcome to EDI. In the past three weeks I've visited a few dozen EDI sites
trying to get some good examples so that I can do that very thing you're
talking about. I'd had some limited EDI experience in the past. My client
wants a more customized solution without having to buy a full-bore EDI
package that includes every document type under the sun.

The amount of help is, indeed, very limited. There are no books on EDI at
the library. Barnes & Noble doesn't stock any. On top of that, just last
week I discovered that a sizeable component of good EDI programs is the
error-trapping; that is, an X12 file can have errors in it. If your software
doesn't allow for that, then you have junk.

EDI specs are difficult to translate into a neat and orderly relational
model. So you'd have quite a task making up tables to represent the EDI
"model."

I found a company that provides a moderately-priced tool to read and
translate EDI transactions using a Windows object model. Thus you can roll
your own EDI software and use the classes provided for EDI transactions just
as you use any other class. They provide samples in VB, Delphi, C++.NET, and
FoxPro. I used their 60-day eval program to detect an error in transmission
of a test X12 Purchase Order for a project I'm doing for a client of mine.

The product is called Framework EDI. The Professional version is $950.
There's an "Enterprise" and "Universal" version, too. I've persuaded my
client to bite the bullet and buy it since he'd have to pay me a lot more to
code something that wouldn't work nearly so well. Here's the web site:

http://www.edidev.com/

Of course, there are tons of EDI software sites on the web. This one was
different in that it offered a developer's toolbox sort of thing rather than
a complete package from A-Z.

Good luck!

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Nov  3 16:18:47 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:18:47 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222748D@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <3FA760E7.17853.200C88@localhost>

On 3 Nov 2003 at 11:40, Drew Wutka wrote:

> To tie this into an Access related (actually AccessD related) post, in my
> old place (one before the fire), I had my servers near the foot of my
> bed...and those things were NOISY.  Of course, one of the fans was going
> out, so that didn't help! <grin> But now that they're in the closet, I can
> soundly sleep at night, and still host the archives! <grin> (Come on, give
> me points for trying to tie that in!)
> 

Until the archives get lost because the servers overheat and melt 
down without adequate airflow? :-)





 
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Support.




From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Mon Nov  3 16:20:38 2003
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:20:38 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] EDI data file
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A03306041@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

Thanks Marty that helps.  It is a Remittance Advice file so now I at least
know the template id (which I think was on the web site Steve mentioned as
well).  Sounds like I have a lot of learning to do.

-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 3:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] EDI data file


You can translate or map EDI to csv, flatfiles or xml
 I suggested to one company to convert or map  to xml then bring into 
Access or SQL via ADO or XMLDOM.
 They used  goXML product from Altova with XMLSPY to do the conversion. 
It is expensive but necessary if you have a lot of different EDI 
formats. There are different templates for EDI X12
like 850 and 810. or
HIPAA templates ::
EDI X12 - 270 Eligibility, Coverage or Benefit Inquiry
EDI X12 - 271 Eligibility, Coverage or Benefit Inquiry
EDI X12 - 276 Health Care Claim Status Request
EDI X12 - 277 Health Care Claim Status Notification
EDI X12 - 820 Payment Order Remittance Advice
EDI X12 - 834 Benefit Enrollment and Maintenance
EDI X12 - 835 Health Care Claim Payment Advice
EDI X12 - 837 Health Care Claim

A cheaper conversion program would be ETAsoft for around $2000
http://www.xtranslator.com/index.htm

There is a recent book on subject with examples  but uses Java C++
Using XML with Legacy Business Applications
by Michael C. Rawlins
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0321154940/qid%3D1063200555/sr%3D11-1
/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/002-5838316-1411229

You might find cheaper translation software at www.xml.org or 
www.oasis.org or maybe MS eBiz server site

rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com wrote:

>Has anyone ever worked with an X12/EDI data file?  Can it be imported into
>an Access 97 table?  We're getting a file back that we're supposed to use
to
>lookup the status of billings but it needs to be parsed.  The (very)
limited
>help on the web site where we download the file from says we need to use a
>conversion program to get the X12 file to a readable format.
>
>Any help would be much appreciated.
>
>TIA
>
>Rusty
>
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Mon Nov  3 16:32:38 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:32:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] EDI data file
Message-ID: <20031103163238.1043140229.serbach@new.rr.com>

Rusty,

>> ?Not exactly what I wanted to hear but it is what I thought I
might hear. ?Oh well, if this work was always easy I wouldn't have a job,
right? <<

Too right. I had hoped that it would a bit simpler, too. But EDI has a way of expanding to fill the amount of money you have available.

The XML route that Marty mentioned is another way to go...one that might become more prevalent Real Soon Now. To me, the EDIdEv product looks promising as far as cost goes.

Steve Erbach


From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Nov  3 17:39:06 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:39:06 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] How to prevent a mess
In-Reply-To: <20031103151057.1047975120.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031104123250.00b85008@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

At 3/11/2003, you wrote:
>David,
> >> internet synchronization doesn't work with firewalls etc <<
>
>Interesting. So putting an Access BE up on a web host would pretty much 
>put it out of reach since the web host is bound to have a router, right?

No - there is a different between using Access as a BE for a web FE 
(ASP/HTML etc), and using internet synchronization.  Internet 
synchronization just uses the internet connection to access the BE 
direct.  This means that the computer hosting the BE needs to be accessible 
via the internet.  But because firewalls upset the synchronizer, you can't 
protect your server.  One company I worked with ended up with a $5000 bill 
when hackers got into their server and used it to transfer their files - 
this was only within a month!  Ouch.

If you are interested there a white paper specifically on internet 
synchronization but because of its limitations it is only of academic interest.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 


From caa at highway.com.br  Mon Nov  3 18:21:57 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:21:57 -0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - BE corruption???
Message-ID: <oprx27avloeuy8y3@localhost>

Dear Mates:
I would like to have your opinion on this matter. I developed an A2k 
database system with three identical FE's and one BE. It has data from 
jan2001 to now. Upon executing a simple select query I noticed that I 
could not retrieve any records from 2002. The same query executed on a BE 
backup copy from jul2003 returned all due records.
Is this a BE corruption??? I tried ?Compact and repair...?, JetComp and 
import all tables to a new BE with no better results.
Things that called my attention:
1- I use Jet 4.0 SP6 and my client uses something older than SP3;
2- I use Access 2000/Office 2000 and my client uses Access 2000/Office 97.
Thanks for any input,
-- 
**************************************
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* Child Neurologist                  *
* Systems Analyst/Programmer         *
* Rio de Janeiro, Brazil             *
* mailto:caa at highway.com.br          *
**************************************

From Bryan.Brown at acsalaska.com  Mon Nov  3 18:41:36 2003
From: Bryan.Brown at acsalaska.com (Brown, Bryan)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:41:36 -0900 
Subject: [AccessD] Summarizing like data - suggestions?
Message-ID: <B136B69EEE85D511A7B800508B5A9B19066BD9B5@acsexch.corp.acsalaska.com>

Hi everyone,

I listen a lot and offer help when I'm able (which, as a relative newcomer
when compared to many of you, is not often) and now I could use some help. I
have two tables of like data (or it could be one table with multiple rows of
similar records) and I need to combine the records when appropriate into one
table...

It seems simple enough, but it eludes me. I have about 3000 records to
compare and summarize. If all data elements, except hours, are the same
then, I add the hours, else I have to have separate entries. Any suggestions
would be appreciated - Thanks!

Example of Multiple rows in one table:

Sample Data Before Summary
Emplid;Name;Rate ;Title     ;Hours1;Hours2
100001;Fred; 9.50;Dishwasher;40    ;22
100001;Fred;15.00;Head Cook ;35    ;18
100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;40    ;22
100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;60    ;10


Desired Result Data after Summary
Emplid;Name;Rate ;Title     ;Hours1;Hours2
100001;Fred; 9.50;Dishwasher;40    ;22
100001;Fred;15.00;Head Cook ;35    ;18
100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;100   ;32







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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov  3 18:58:19 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 16:58:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <20031103160200.C8CF224D446@smithers.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEGICPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Andy:

Thanks for the code. Along with the code sample from Dev Ashish's site this
should cover all bases.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:02 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format


I use some API code that came from someone on the list (sorry can't credit
cos can't remember). Very simple. Stick this in a module:

Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "shell32" Alias "ShellExecuteA" (ByVal
hwnd As Long, _
ByVal lpOperation As String, ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters As
String, _
ByVal lpDirectory As String, ByVal nShowCmd As Long) As Long

Function RunApp(strFile As String, bytSize) As Boolean
Dim lngRet As Long
Dim varTaskID As Variant
Dim strRet As String

lngRet = ShellExecute(hWndAccessApp, vbNullString, strFile, vbNullString,
vbNullString, bytSize)
If lngRet > Success Then
strRet = vbNullString
lngRet = -1
RunApp = True
Else
RunApp = False
Select Case lngRet
Case NotRegistered
varTaskID = Shell("rundll32.exe shell32.dll,OpenAs_RunDLL " & strFile,
bytSize)
lngRet = (varTaskID <> 0)
Case InadequateMemory
MsgBox "Error:  Out of Memory/Resources!"
Case FileNotFound
MsgBox "Error:  File not found!"
Case PathNotFound
MsgBox "Error:  Path not found!"
Case BadFormat
MsgBox "Error:  Bad File Format!"
Case 5
MsgBox "Error:  Unauthorized due to Security restrictions!"
End Select
End If
End Function

Then all you do is:

Call RunApp(strfilename,1)

HTH

--
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--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
Date: 03/11/03 21:15


Jim,
If you're just wanting to give the ability to open a file from a list, what
I've done in the past is use a continuous form listing the filename and
beside the filename field, add a command button. Set the Hyperlink Address
of the command button to the path and filename via code in the On Current
property of the form. Then the user just clicks on the button and the file
is opened by whatever program the extension is registered as.

HTH

Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 1:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format


Hi All:

This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I can not remember or
find the related code. (Advanced years and all)

Can you set up Access to, under program control to run/display any file that
the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf file, spreadsheet
or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each type. I have
written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there must be any easier
way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web page can do this
but can an Access program?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

MTIA
Jim


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov  3 18:58:16 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 16:58:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A0330603B@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEGHCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Rusty:

Thanks for your suggestions...I am looking into it now.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:13 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format


Jim,
If you're just wanting to give the ability to open a file from a list, what
I've done in the past is use a continuous form listing the filename and
beside the filename field, add a command button.  Set the Hyperlink Address
of the command button to the path and filename via code in the On Current
property of the form.  Then the user just clicks on the button and the file
is opened by whatever program the extension is registered as.

HTH

Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 1:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format


Hi All:

This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I can not remember or
find the related code. (Advanced years and all)

Can you set up Access to, under program control to run/display any file that
the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf file, spreadsheet
or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each type. I have
written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there must be any easier
way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web page can do this
but can an Access program?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

MTIA
Jim


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov  3 18:58:13 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 16:58:13 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <00ec01c3a1f4$e7ffd0a0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMEGHCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Thank you Stuart:

It worked perfectly. :-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 2:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format


What you want is this:

http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0018.htm

Regards

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Jim Lawrence (AccessD)
> Sent: Monday, 03 November, 2003 3:47 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
>
>
> Hi All:
>
> This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I can
> not remember or
> find the related code. (Advanced years and all)
>
> Can you set up Access to, under program control to
> run/display any file that
> the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf
> file, spreadsheet
> or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each
> type. I have
> written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there
> must be any easier
> way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web
> page can do this
> but can an Access program?
>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
>
> MTIA
> Jim
>
>
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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Mon Nov  3 19:00:49 2003
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:00:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Hourly Backups Of Access Data
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJCEHCFEAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <03d601c3a26f$17153040$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>

Paul,

The critical issue I see with Jet is that you can't guarantee that your
backup data will be in a consistent state while users are in the database.
Jet simply can't be trusted to keep everything straight with the read/write
locks or cascade updates/deletes that could be in progress when you initiate
your backup.

This applies as much to backing up the mdb files as it would to any of the
other proposed solutions, in my opinion.

If live backups are an overriding concern, consider moving your backend to
MSDE/SQL Server. With its transaction logging and dynamic backup
capabilities, you can implement a much more reliable and transparent backup
policy.

Otherwise, kick 'em out!

See:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q300216
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k/htm
l/acmsdeop.asp

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 12:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Hourly Backups Of Access Data


Paul,
I just looked at my backup routine but it won't work for you, uses
CompactDatabase. Guess I should create a new one.

(Thinking out loud here) how about:
Create a routine to export all of the tables and data to a new DB. That
shouldn't affect any of the users.

Create a seperate routine that clears the tables and imports/appends it all
back in just in case you need to restore the data. If that case arises it
would probably mean the users can't get in anyway - otherwise you would have
to kick them all out.

This would alleviate worrying about relationships, etc.

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> paul.hartland at fsmail.net
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:00 AM
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] Hourly Backups Of Access Data
>
>
> To all,
> Is there anyway I can create a backup of all the tables in a
> database, without bringing all the users out of the database.
> Paul
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov  3 19:06:08 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:06:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Summarizing like data - suggestions?
References: <B136B69EEE85D511A7B800508B5A9B19066BD9B5@acsexch.corp.acsalaska.com>
Message-ID: <01c501c3a26f$d7dbc640$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Bryan

...is this a 1-time fix or are you going to have to repeat this again and
again? ...the solutions differ.
...the simplest 1-time fix ime would be to create a table with a unique
index set for empID and then query the source table to append all records to
it ...dupe empIDs wont be appended ...then you should be able to run update
queries on the new table Hours1 and Hours2 fields using calc fields on the
source table Hours1 and Hours2 field to total each records hours that match
the empID ...I have not done this but it should be doable in the query
itself, if not you'll need to write and call a function that does it.

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brown, Bryan" <Bryan.Brown at acsalaska.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:41 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Summarizing like data - suggestions?


> Hi everyone,
>
> I listen a lot and offer help when I'm able (which, as a relative newcomer
> when compared to many of you, is not often) and now I could use some help.
I
> have two tables of like data (or it could be one table with multiple rows
of
> similar records) and I need to combine the records when appropriate into
one
> table...
>
> It seems simple enough, but it eludes me. I have about 3000 records to
> compare and summarize. If all data elements, except hours, are the same
> then, I add the hours, else I have to have separate entries. Any
suggestions
> would be appreciated - Thanks!
>
> Example of Multiple rows in one table:
>
> Sample Data Before Summary
> Emplid;Name;Rate ;Title     ;Hours1;Hours2
> 100001;Fred; 9.50;Dishwasher;40    ;22
> 100001;Fred;15.00;Head Cook ;35    ;18
> 100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;40    ;22
> 100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;60    ;10
>
>
> Desired Result Data after Summary
> Emplid;Name;Rate ;Title     ;Hours1;Hours2
> 100001;Fred; 9.50;Dishwasher;40    ;22
> 100001;Fred;15.00;Head Cook ;35    ;18
> 100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;100   ;32
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
> notified that you have received this transmittal in error; any review,
> dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal is strictly
> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please
notify
> us immediately by reply or by telephone (collect at 907-564-1000) and ask
to
> speak with the message sender. In addition, please immediately delete this
> message and all attachments. Thank you. ACS3/11/2003
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From Bryan.Brown at acsalaska.com  Mon Nov  3 19:12:19 2003
From: Bryan.Brown at acsalaska.com (Brown, Bryan)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:12:19 -0900 
Subject: [AccessD] Summarizing like data - suggestions?
Message-ID: <B136B69EEE85D511A7B800508B5A9B19066BD9B6@acsexch.corp.acsalaska.com>

William - thanks for the info. 

This will be done monthly. I think your idea will work fine for this month
(also read as "tomorrow!"), but I'll need to end up with a process that the
end-user just "clicks" start to finish :-)

Bryan

-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 4:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Summarizing like data - suggestions?


Bryan

...is this a 1-time fix or are you going to have to repeat this again and
again? ...the solutions differ.
...the simplest 1-time fix ime would be to create a table with a unique
index set for empID and then query the source table to append all records to
it ...dupe empIDs wont be appended ...then you should be able to run update
queries on the new table Hours1 and Hours2 fields using calc fields on the
source table Hours1 and Hours2 field to total each records hours that match
the empID ...I have not done this but it should be doable in the query
itself, if not you'll need to write and call a function that does it.

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brown, Bryan" <Bryan.Brown at acsalaska.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:41 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Summarizing like data - suggestions?


> Hi everyone,
>
> I listen a lot and offer help when I'm able (which, as a relative newcomer
> when compared to many of you, is not often) and now I could use some help.
I
> have two tables of like data (or it could be one table with multiple rows
of
> similar records) and I need to combine the records when appropriate into
one
> table...
>
> It seems simple enough, but it eludes me. I have about 3000 records to
> compare and summarize. If all data elements, except hours, are the same
> then, I add the hours, else I have to have separate entries. Any
suggestions
> would be appreciated - Thanks!
>
> Example of Multiple rows in one table:
>
> Sample Data Before Summary
> Emplid;Name;Rate ;Title     ;Hours1;Hours2
> 100001;Fred; 9.50;Dishwasher;40    ;22
> 100001;Fred;15.00;Head Cook ;35    ;18
> 100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;40    ;22
> 100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;60    ;10
>
>
> Desired Result Data after Summary
> Emplid;Name;Rate ;Title     ;Hours1;Hours2
> 100001;Fred; 9.50;Dishwasher;40    ;22
> 100001;Fred;15.00;Head Cook ;35    ;18
> 100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;100   ;32
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov  3 19:32:43 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:32:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Summarizing like data - suggestions?
References: <B136B69EEE85D511A7B800508B5A9B19066BD9B6@acsexch.corp.acsalaska.com>
Message-ID: <01f601c3a273$8b5e07c0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...write a module ...attach it to a button ...in the module use a
DoCmd.RunQry(sic ...I'm writing off the top here) sequence to append any new
empID records (without the Hours fields), then update Hours1, and then
update Hours2.

...if this is mission critical data, I'd back off the queries and use
transactions instead since with the queries the user won't know if
everything got transferred correctly ...with transactions its an all or
nothing deal which is more difficult to write but much more reliable ime.

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brown, Bryan" <Bryan.Brown at acsalaska.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:12 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Summarizing like data - suggestions?


> William - thanks for the info.
>
> This will be done monthly. I think your idea will work fine for this month
> (also read as "tomorrow!"), but I'll need to end up with a process that
the
> end-user just "clicks" start to finish :-)
>
> Bryan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 4:06 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Summarizing like data - suggestions?
>
>
> Bryan
>
> ...is this a 1-time fix or are you going to have to repeat this again and
> again? ...the solutions differ.
> ...the simplest 1-time fix ime would be to create a table with a unique
> index set for empID and then query the source table to append all records
to
> it ...dupe empIDs wont be appended ...then you should be able to run
update
> queries on the new table Hours1 and Hours2 fields using calc fields on the
> source table Hours1 and Hours2 field to total each records hours that
match
> the empID ...I have not done this but it should be doable in the query
> itself, if not you'll need to write and call a function that does it.
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brown, Bryan" <Bryan.Brown at acsalaska.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:41 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Summarizing like data - suggestions?
>
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I listen a lot and offer help when I'm able (which, as a relative
newcomer
> > when compared to many of you, is not often) and now I could use some
help.
> I
> > have two tables of like data (or it could be one table with multiple
rows
> of
> > similar records) and I need to combine the records when appropriate into
> one
> > table...
> >
> > It seems simple enough, but it eludes me. I have about 3000 records to
> > compare and summarize. If all data elements, except hours, are the same
> > then, I add the hours, else I have to have separate entries. Any
> suggestions
> > would be appreciated - Thanks!
> >
> > Example of Multiple rows in one table:
> >
> > Sample Data Before Summary
> > Emplid;Name;Rate ;Title     ;Hours1;Hours2
> > 100001;Fred; 9.50;Dishwasher;40    ;22
> > 100001;Fred;15.00;Head Cook ;35    ;18
> > 100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;40    ;22
> > 100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;60    ;10
> >
> >
> > Desired Result Data after Summary
> > Emplid;Name;Rate ;Title     ;Hours1;Hours2
> > 100001;Fred; 9.50;Dishwasher;40    ;22
> > 100001;Fred;15.00;Head Cook ;35    ;18
> > 100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;100   ;32
> >
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Mon Nov  3 22:26:58 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:26:58 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEPIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00f501c3a28b$e2dcc960$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Yeah if it was just copyright I'd have no issue, but it did specifically say not
to be distributed except as part of an application.  Probably OK, but ...

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Tuesday, 04 November, 2003 1:01 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
>
>
> I THINK as long as the code says "you may use as long as the copyright
> notice remains" and you post the whole thing with the
> copyright notice, it
> is legal to post the code, especially as it isn't embedded in
> an EZine.
> It's always safer to just post the link though.  People like
> visitors to
> their site..
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Stuart Sanders
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:56 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
>
>
> yeah I've used this for a couple of years.  Was going to just
> post the code,
> but Dev has a copy right notice.
>
> Stuart
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
>
>
> > ...hey! ...nice find, works like a charm ...as it happens I have an
> > immediate use for this little honey ...thanks :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:26 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> >
> >
> > > What you want is this:
> > >
> > > http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0018.htm
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Jim Lawrence (AccessD)
> > > > Sent: Monday, 03 November, 2003 3:47 PM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi All:
> > > >
> > > > This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I can
> > > > not remember or
> > > > find the related code. (Advanced years and all)
> > > >
> > > > Can you set up Access to, under program control to
> > > > run/display any file that
> > > > the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf
> > > > file, spreadsheet
> > > > or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each
> > > > type. I have
> > > > written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there
> > > > must be any easier
> > > > way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web
> > > > page can do this
> > > > but can an Access program?
> > > >
> > > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> > > >
> > > > MTIA
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > >
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov  3 22:40:43 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:40:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
References: <00f501c3a28b$e2dcc960$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <002b01c3a28d$ce86b910$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...frm Dev's Terms of Use ...seems pretty clear to me that a link is it :(

"You cannot

 copy, redistribute or republish any source code code from this site by any
means, including distributing the code on the web, in zip files, demos or
via a CD collection, whether free or not. This means no web pages, text
files, demo projects, classes, or databases that replicate the source found
here. If you find something of interest please refer users to the
corresponding page, or link to the page(s) of interest.

To reiterate, you are not allowed to redistribute this code as source in any
manner whatsoever. For those few of you who have trouble understanding these
simple guidelines, that means you cannot repost these samples on your web
site (although links to here are fine), you cannot bundle these samples on a
CD and sell it, in general you cannot steal credit for others work."

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:26 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format


> Yeah if it was just copyright I'd have no issue, but it did specifically
say not
> to be distributed except as part of an application.  Probably OK, but ...
>
> Stuart
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> > Sent: Tuesday, 04 November, 2003 1:01 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> >
> >
> > I THINK as long as the code says "you may use as long as the copyright
> > notice remains" and you post the whole thing with the
> > copyright notice, it
> > is legal to post the code, especially as it isn't embedded in
> > an EZine.
> > It's always safer to just post the link though.  People like
> > visitors to
> > their site..
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > Stuart Sanders
> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:56 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> >
> >
> > yeah I've used this for a couple of years.  Was going to just
> > post the code,
> > but Dev has a copy right notice.
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> >
> >
> > > ...hey! ...nice find, works like a charm ...as it happens I have an
> > > immediate use for this little honey ...thanks :)
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:26 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > >
> > >
> > > > What you want is this:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0018.htm
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Stuart
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > Jim Lawrence (AccessD)
> > > > > Sent: Monday, 03 November, 2003 3:47 PM
> > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi All:
> > > > >
> > > > > This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I can
> > > > > not remember or
> > > > > find the related code. (Advanced years and all)
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you set up Access to, under program control to
> > > > > run/display any file that
> > > > > the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf
> > > > > file, spreadsheet
> > > > > or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each
> > > > > type. I have
> > > > > written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there
> > > > > must be any easier
> > > > > way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web
> > > > > page can do this
> > > > > but can an Access program?
> > > > >
> > > > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> > > > >
> > > > > MTIA
> > > > > Jim
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> > > > >
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Nov  4 01:49:36 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:49:36 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <002b01c3a28d$ce86b910$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <00b301c3a2a8$31959d40$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

If you're talking about the code I posted then I must state that I
didn't get it from Dev's site. It is actually different but similar
because it uses the same API call, but I was sent it by someone on the
list, which is why I thought it was ok to post. There's no way I'd use
Dev's code and take out the notices in it, or post it here if I had.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> William Hindman
> Sent: 04 November 2003 04:41
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> 
> 
> ...frm Dev's Terms of Use ...seems pretty clear to me that a 
> link is it :(
> 
> "You cannot
> 
>  copy, redistribute or republish any source code code from 
> this site by any means, including distributing the code on 
> the web, in zip files, demos or via a CD collection, whether 
> free or not. This means no web pages, text files, demo 
> projects, classes, or databases that replicate the source 
> found here. If you find something of interest please refer 
> users to the corresponding page, or link to the page(s) of interest.
> 
> To reiterate, you are not allowed to redistribute this code 
> as source in any manner whatsoever. For those few of you who 
> have trouble understanding these simple guidelines, that 
> means you cannot repost these samples on your web site 
> (although links to here are fine), you cannot bundle these 
> samples on a CD and sell it, in general you cannot steal 
> credit for others work."
> 
> William Hindman
> Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, 
> government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:26 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> 
> 
> > Yeah if it was just copyright I'd have no issue, but it did 
> > specifically
> say not
> > to be distributed except as part of an application.  
> Probably OK, but 
> > ...
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John 
> > > Colby
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 04 November, 2003 1:01 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > >
> > >
> > > I THINK as long as the code says "you may use as long as the 
> > > copyright notice remains" and you post the whole thing with the 
> > > copyright notice, it is legal to post the code, especially as it 
> > > isn't embedded in an EZine.
> > > It's always safer to just post the link though.  People like
> > > visitors to
> > > their site..
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart 
> > > Sanders
> > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:56 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > >
> > >
> > > yeah I've used this for a couple of years.  Was going to 
> just post 
> > > the code, but Dev has a copy right notice.
> > >
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:41 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > >
> > >
> > > > ...hey! ...nice find, works like a charm ...as it 
> happens I have 
> > > > an immediate use for this little honey ...thanks :)
> > > >
> > > > William Hindman
> > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> > > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:26 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > What you want is this:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0018.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Stuart
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> Behalf Of Jim 
> > > > > > Lawrence (AccessD)
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, 03 November, 2003 3:47 PM
> > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi All:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is a simple question I am sure but the life of 
> me I can 
> > > > > > not remember or find the related code. (Advanced years and 
> > > > > > all)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you set up Access to, under program control to 
> run/display 
> > > > > > any file that the local computer recognizes, like a Word 
> > > > > > document, pdf file, spreadsheet
> > > > > > or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each
> > > > > > type. I have
> > > > > > written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there
> > > > > > must be any easier
> > > > > > way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web
> > > > > > page can do this
> > > > > > but can an Access program?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MTIA
> > > > > > Jim
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov  4 02:00:01 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 03:00:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
References: <00b301c3a2a8$31959d40$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <000601c3a2a9$a63b4220$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...no Andy ...not referring to your code post at all ...I was replying to JC
& Stuart's discussion whether it was OK for Stuart to post the code from
Dev's site rather than the link :)

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:49 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format


> If you're talking about the code I posted then I must state that I
> didn't get it from Dev's site. It is actually different but similar
> because it uses the same API call, but I was sent it by someone on the
> list, which is why I thought it was ok to post. There's no way I'd use
> Dev's code and take out the notices in it, or post it here if I had.
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > William Hindman
> > Sent: 04 November 2003 04:41
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> >
> >
> > ...frm Dev's Terms of Use ...seems pretty clear to me that a
> > link is it :(
> >
> > "You cannot
> >
> >  copy, redistribute or republish any source code code from
> > this site by any means, including distributing the code on
> > the web, in zip files, demos or via a CD collection, whether
> > free or not. This means no web pages, text files, demo
> > projects, classes, or databases that replicate the source
> > found here. If you find something of interest please refer
> > users to the corresponding page, or link to the page(s) of interest.
> >
> > To reiterate, you are not allowed to redistribute this code
> > as source in any manner whatsoever. For those few of you who
> > have trouble understanding these simple guidelines, that
> > means you cannot repost these samples on your web site
> > (although links to here are fine), you cannot bundle these
> > samples on a CD and sell it, in general you cannot steal
> > credit for others work."
> >
> > William Hindman
> > Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> > government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:26 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> >
> >
> > > Yeah if it was just copyright I'd have no issue, but it did
> > > specifically
> > say not
> > > to be distributed except as part of an application.
> > Probably OK, but
> > > ...
> > >
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John
> > > > Colby
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 04 November, 2003 1:01 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I THINK as long as the code says "you may use as long as the
> > > > copyright notice remains" and you post the whole thing with the
> > > > copyright notice, it is legal to post the code, especially as it
> > > > isn't embedded in an EZine.
> > > > It's always safer to just post the link though.  People like
> > > > visitors to
> > > > their site..
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> > > > Sanders
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:56 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > yeah I've used this for a couple of years.  Was going to
> > just post
> > > > the code, but Dev has a copy right notice.
> > > >
> > > > Stuart
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:41 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ...hey! ...nice find, works like a charm ...as it
> > happens I have
> > > > > an immediate use for this little honey ...thanks :)
> > > > >
> > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> > > > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:26 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > What you want is this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0018.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stuart
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Jim
> > > > > > > Lawrence (AccessD)
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, 03 November, 2003 3:47 PM
> > > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi All:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is a simple question I am sure but the life of
> > me I can
> > > > > > > not remember or find the related code. (Advanced years and
> > > > > > > all)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can you set up Access to, under program control to
> > run/display
> > > > > > > any file that the local computer recognizes, like a Word
> > > > > > > document, pdf file, spreadsheet
> > > > > > > or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each
> > > > > > > type. I have
> > > > > > > written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there
> > > > > > > must be any easier
> > > > > > > way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web
> > > > > > > page can do this
> > > > > > > but can an Access program?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > MTIA
> > > > > > > Jim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > Website:
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov  4 02:33:38 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:33:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
In-Reply-To: <3FA6C306.9030506@shaw.ca>
References: <8615823653.20031103132209@cactus.dk> <3FA6AC54.4060600@shaw.ca>
 <3FA6C306.9030506@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <632277374.20031104093338@cactus.dk>

Thanks Marty! I'll have a look.

/gustav


> Here are some other uses of  InfoPath from Jean Paoli, the architect of 
> Microsoft Office's XML

> http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/02/20/08stratdev_1.html


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Nov  4 01:58:15 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 8:58:15 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
Message-ID: <20031104085813.349DC24EDE7@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

ok, thanks William. I was a bit concerned there for a moment.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
Date: 04/11/03 13:01


....no Andy ...not referring to your code post at all ...I was replying to
JC
& Stuart's discussion whether it was OK for Stuart to post the code from
Dev's site rather than the link :)

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:49 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format


> If you're talking about the code I posted then I must state that I
> didn't get it from Dev's site. It is actually different but similar
> because it uses the same API call, but I was sent it by someone on the
> list, which is why I thought it was ok to post. There's no way I'd use
> Dev's code and take out the notices in it, or post it here if I had.
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > William Hindman
> > Sent: 04 November 2003 04:41
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> >
> >
> > ...frm Dev's Terms of Use ...seems pretty clear to me that a
> > link is it :(
> >
> > "You cannot
> >
> > copy, redistribute or republish any source code code from
> > this site by any means, including distributing the code on
> > the web, in zip files, demos or via a CD collection, whether
> > free or not. This means no web pages, text files, demo
> > projects, classes, or databases that replicate the source
> > found here. If you find something of interest please refer
> > users to the corresponding page, or link to the page(s) of interest.
> >
> > To reiterate, you are not allowed to redistribute this code
> > as source in any manner whatsoever. For those few of you who
> > have trouble understanding these simple guidelines, that
> > means you cannot repost these samples on your web site
> > (although links to here are fine), you cannot bundle these
> > samples on a CD and sell it, in general you cannot steal
> > credit for others work."
> >
> > William Hindman
> > Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> > government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:26 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> >
> >
> > > Yeah if it was just copyright I'd have no issue, but it did
> > > specifically
> > say not
> > > to be distributed except as part of an application.
> > Probably OK, but
> > > ...
> > >
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John
> > > > Colby
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 04 November, 2003 1:01 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I THINK as long as the code says "you may use as long as the
> > > > copyright notice remains" and you post the whole thing with the
> > > > copyright notice, it is legal to post the code, especially as it
> > > > isn't embedded in an EZine.
> > > > It's always safer to just post the link though. People like
> > > > visitors to
> > > > their site..
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> > > > Sanders
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:56 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > yeah I've used this for a couple of years. Was going to
> > just post
> > > > the code, but Dev has a copy right notice.
> > > >
> > > > Stuart
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:41 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ...hey! ...nice find, works like a charm ...as it
> > happens I have
> > > > > an immediate use for this little honey ...thanks :)
> > > > >
> > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> > > > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:26 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > What you want is this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0018.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stuart
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Jim
> > > > > > > Lawrence (AccessD)
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, 03 November, 2003 3:47 PM
> > > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi All:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is a simple question I am sure but the life of
> > me I can
> > > > > > > not remember or find the related code. (Advanced years and
> > > > > > > all)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can you set up Access to, under program control to
> > run/display
> > > > > > > any file that the local computer recognizes, like a Word
> > > > > > > document, pdf file, spreadsheet
> > > > > > > or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each
> > > > > > > type. I have
> > > > > > > written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there
> > > > > > > must be any easier
> > > > > > > way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web
> > > > > > > page can do this
> > > > > > > but can an Access program?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > MTIA
> > > > > > > Jim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > Website:
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Tue Nov  4 03:11:52 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:11:52 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <20031104085813.349DC24EDE7@smithers.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000301c3a2b3$afed5c40$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

There is generally only one real way to use API calls.  It is kind of silly to
copyright an API wrapper that just about anyone can duplicate with some effort,
and was probably translated from a C implementation anyway.

I guess if it ever came to a law-suit (highly unlikely I think), it would be
fairly simple to prove that it is for 2 people to come up with almost identical
same code.

I'm almost curious to see what a hunt on MSDN brings up.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Tuesday, 04 November, 2003 3:58 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
>
>
> ok, thanks William. I was a bit concerned there for a moment.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> Date: 04/11/03 13:01
>
>
> ....no Andy ...not referring to your code post at all ...I
> was replying to
> JC
> & Stuart's discussion whether it was OK for Stuart to post
> the code from
> Dev's site rather than the link :)
>
> William Hindman
> Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:49 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
>
>
> > If you're talking about the code I posted then I must state that I
> > didn't get it from Dev's site. It is actually different but similar
> > because it uses the same API call, but I was sent it by
> someone on the
> > list, which is why I thought it was ok to post. There's no
> way I'd use
> > Dev's code and take out the notices in it, or post it here if I had.
> >
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > William Hindman
> > > Sent: 04 November 2003 04:41
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > >
> > >
> > > ...frm Dev's Terms of Use ...seems pretty clear to me that a
> > > link is it :(
> > >
> > > "You cannot
> > >
> > > copy, redistribute or republish any source code code from
> > > this site by any means, including distributing the code on
> > > the web, in zip files, demos or via a CD collection, whether
> > > free or not. This means no web pages, text files, demo
> > > projects, classes, or databases that replicate the source
> > > found here. If you find something of interest please refer
> > > users to the corresponding page, or link to the page(s)
> of interest.
> > >
> > > To reiterate, you are not allowed to redistribute this code
> > > as source in any manner whatsoever. For those few of you who
> > > have trouble understanding these simple guidelines, that
> > > means you cannot repost these samples on your web site
> > > (although links to here are fine), you cannot bundle these
> > > samples on a CD and sell it, in general you cannot steal
> > > credit for others work."
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> > > government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:26 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > >
> > >
> > > > Yeah if it was just copyright I'd have no issue, but it did
> > > > specifically
> > > say not
> > > > to be distributed except as part of an application.
> > > Probably OK, but
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > Stuart
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of John
> > > > > Colby
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 04 November, 2003 1:01 AM
> > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I THINK as long as the code says "you may use as long as the
> > > > > copyright notice remains" and you post the whole
> thing with the
> > > > > copyright notice, it is legal to post the code,
> especially as it
> > > > > isn't embedded in an EZine.
> > > > > It's always safer to just post the link though. People like
> > > > > visitors to
> > > > > their site..
> > > > >
> > > > > John W. Colby
> > > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Stuart
> > > > > Sanders
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:56 AM
> > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > yeah I've used this for a couple of years. Was going to
> > > just post
> > > > > the code, but Dev has a copy right notice.
> > > > >
> > > > > Stuart
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:41 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ...hey! ...nice find, works like a charm ...as it
> > > happens I have
> > > > > > an immediate use for this little honey ...thanks :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In
> The Free State!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> > > > > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:26 AM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > What you want is this:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0018.htm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Stuart
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > > Behalf Of Jim
> > > > > > > > Lawrence (AccessD)
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, 03 November, 2003 3:47 PM
> > > > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi All:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is a simple question I am sure but the life of
> > > me I can
> > > > > > > > not remember or find the related code.
> (Advanced years and
> > > > > > > > all)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Can you set up Access to, under program control to
> > > run/display
> > > > > > > > any file that the local computer recognizes, like a Word
> > > > > > > > document, pdf file, spreadsheet
> > > > > > > > or maybe a web page without writing specific
> code for each
> > > > > > > > type. I have
> > > > > > > > written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages
> but there
> > > > > > > > must be any easier
> > > > > > > > way than blocks of code for each extension. A
> browser web
> > > > > > > > page can do this
> > > > > > > > but can an Access program?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > MTIA
> > > > > > > > Jim
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Nov  4 03:35:58 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:35:58 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <000301c3a2b3$afed5c40$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
References: <20031104085813.349DC24EDE7@smithers.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3FA7FF9E.25074.14AE381@localhost>

On 4 Nov 2003 at 17:11, Stuart Sanders wrote:

> There is generally only one real way to use API calls.  It is kind of silly to
> copyright an API wrapper that just about anyone can duplicate with some effort,
> and was probably translated from a C implementation anyway.
> 
> I guess if it ever came to a law-suit (highly unlikely I think), it would be
> fairly simple to prove that it is for 2 people to come up with almost identical
> same code.
> 
> I'm almost curious to see what a hunt on MSDN brings up.
> 
> Stuart
> 

I've posted my own ShellExecute() wrapper on this list a couple of 
times already.  The only real difference between it and Dev's is in 
the variable names.  It certainly was not based on Dev's code and 
quite probably pre-dates it.  Should I try to sure Dev? :-)

The Other Stuart





From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Tue Nov  4 03:51:17 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:51:17 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <000301c3a2b3$afed5c40$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <000501c3a2b9$31552920$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>



> -----Original Message-----
> I guess if it ever came to a law-suit (highly unlikely I
> think), it would be
> fairly simple to prove that it is for 2 people to come up
> with almost identical
> same code.

Bleh ... My typing isn't keeping up with my thought processes ... Or then again
maybe for once it did..

It should read:

"I guess if it ever came to a law-suit (highly unlikely I think), it would be
fairly simple to prove that it is easy for 2 people to come up with almost
identical code."

Stuart

(it would be easier if you used Stewart :p)



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue Nov  4 05:31:04 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 06:31:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <00f501c3a28b$e2dcc960$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEPIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3FA747A8.8876.1D091C@localhost>

On 4 Nov 2003 at 12:26, Stuart Sanders wrote:

> Yeah if it was just copyright I'd have no issue, but it did
> specifically say not to be distributed except as part of an
> application.  Probably OK, but ...

Probably not if is says specifically not to be distributed except as 
part of an app.

It's better to post websites, because you never know what else 
someone will find useful on the site. Not to mention the possible 
legal issues that may be involved.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a 
horrible warning.



From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Tue Nov  4 07:01:17 2003
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:01:17 -0000 
Subject: [AccessD] A97 Install Problem
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DBDB@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

Hi Group

A97 App installation using Setup Wizard deployment (to run runtime MS Access
97)

Had a strange problem  with a Windows 2000 pc. (works okay elsewhere)

Just before the installation completes get the message....

Title Bar: acmesetup.exe 'Bad image' 

with the message content being:

The application or DLL C:\~MSSETUP\~MSSTFQF.T\32AUTOLE.DLLis not a valid
windows image. Please check againt installation diskette.


Application files seem to install ok and folder set up ok but cannot run
app.  After creating a shortcut (as the setup one did not install) I get the
message...

"There Is No License" for ....
Anyone any ideas???
Many thanks in advance
Richard











From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov  4 10:00:50 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 08:00:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A97 Install Problem
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631240B@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Take a look at this MSKB article
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;141373&Product=a
cc and see if it helps.  From the sounds of it, you may have a bad setup
image.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Griffiths, Richard [mailto:R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 5:01 AM
To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] A97 Install Problem


Hi Group

A97 App installation using Setup Wizard deployment (to run runtime MS
Access
97)

Had a strange problem  with a Windows 2000 pc. (works okay elsewhere)

Just before the installation completes get the message....

Title Bar: acmesetup.exe 'Bad image' 

with the message content being:

The application or DLL C:\~MSSETUP\~MSSTFQF.T\32AUTOLE.DLLis not a valid
windows image. Please check againt installation diskette.


Application files seem to install ok and folder set up ok but cannot run
app.  After creating a shortcut (as the setup one did not install) I get
the message...

"There Is No License" for ....
Anyone any ideas???
Many thanks in advance
Richard










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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov  4 10:03:57 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 08:03:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - BE corruption???
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631240C@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

If the client is using something older than Jet SP3, that may be the
source of your problem.  Get them updated to at least SP6.  Otherwise,
there are a bunch of gotchas that may "corrupt" your data.  The versions
of Office don't matter so much as long as A2k is running on both.  Are
both versions of A2k patched to the same SR level?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Alberto Alves [mailto:caa at highway.com.br] 
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 4:22 PM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - BE corruption???


Dear Mates:
I would like to have your opinion on this matter. I developed an A2k 
database system with three identical FE's and one BE. It has data from 
jan2001 to now. Upon executing a simple select query I noticed that I 
could not retrieve any records from 2002. The same query executed on a
BE 
backup copy from jul2003 returned all due records.
Is this a BE corruption??? I tried "Compact and repair...", JetComp and 
import all tables to a new BE with no better results.
Things that called my attention:
1- I use Jet 4.0 SP6 and my client uses something older than SP3;
2- I use Access 2000/Office 2000 and my client uses Access 2000/Office
97. Thanks for any input,
-- 
**************************************
* Carlos Alberto Alves               *
* Child Neurologist                  *
* Systems Analyst/Programmer         *
* Rio de Janeiro, Brazil             *
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Tue Nov  4 10:11:37 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:11:37 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - BE corruption???
In-Reply-To: <oprx27avloeuy8y3@localhost>
References: <oprx27avloeuy8y3@localhost>
Message-ID: <3FA7CFB9.5090003@verizon.net>

I would try and update his copy of Jet to SP6 to see if your results change.

Carlos Alberto Alves wrote:

> Dear Mates:
> I would like to have your opinion on this matter. I developed an A2k 
> database system with three identical FE's and one BE. It has data from 
> jan2001 to now. Upon executing a simple select query I noticed that I 
> could not retrieve any records from 2002. The same query executed on a 
> BE backup copy from jul2003 returned all due records.
> Is this a BE corruption??? I tried ???Compact and repair...???, 
> JetComp and import all tables to a new BE with no better results.
> Things that called my attention:
> 1- I use Jet 4.0 SP6 and my client uses something older than SP3;
> 2- I use Access 2000/Office 2000 and my client uses Access 2000/Office 
> 97.
> Thanks for any input,



-- 
-Francisco



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov  4 10:10:03 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 08:10:03 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A97 Install Problem
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631240D@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Ooops.  Watch out for the wrap!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 8:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 Install Problem


Take a look at this MSKB article
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;141373&Product=a
cc and see if it helps.  From the sounds of it, you may have a bad setup
image.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Griffiths, Richard [mailto:R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 5:01 AM
To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] A97 Install Problem


Hi Group

A97 App installation using Setup Wizard deployment (to run runtime MS
Access
97)

Had a strange problem  with a Windows 2000 pc. (works okay elsewhere)

Just before the installation completes get the message....

Title Bar: acmesetup.exe 'Bad image' 

with the message content being:

The application or DLL C:\~MSSETUP\~MSSTFQF.T\32AUTOLE.DLLis not a valid
windows image. Please check againt installation diskette.


Application files seem to install ok and folder set up ok but cannot run
app.  After creating a shortcut (as the setup one did not install) I get
the message...

"There Is No License" for ....
Anyone any ideas???
Many thanks in advance
Richard










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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Nov  4 10:16:00 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:16:00 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022274A0@main2.marlow.com>

Oh, I keep the door open, and there's a nice big hole in the wall, so
there's plenty of airflow.  <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 4:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer


On 3 Nov 2003 at 11:40, Drew Wutka wrote:

> To tie this into an Access related (actually AccessD related) post, in my
> old place (one before the fire), I had my servers near the foot of my
> bed...and those things were NOISY.  Of course, one of the fans was going
> out, so that didn't help! <grin> But now that they're in the closet, I can
> soundly sleep at night, and still host the archives! <grin> (Come on, give
> me points for trying to tie that in!)
> 

Until the archives get lost because the servers overheat and melt 
down without adequate airflow? :-)





 
-- 
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http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.



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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Tue Nov  4 10:16:01 2003
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:16:01 -0000 
Subject: [AccessD] A97 Install Problem
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DBDC@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

Many thanks. I'll give it a try

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Charlotte Foust [SMTP:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent:	04 November 2003 16:10
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] A97 Install Problem
> 
> Ooops.  Watch out for the wrap!
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 8:01 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 Install Problem
> 
> 
> Take a look at this MSKB article
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;141373&Product=a
> cc and see if it helps.  From the sounds of it, you may have a bad setup
> image.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Griffiths, Richard [mailto:R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 5:01 AM
> To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] A97 Install Problem
> 
> 
> Hi Group
> 
> A97 App installation using Setup Wizard deployment (to run runtime MS
> Access
> 97)
> 
> Had a strange problem  with a Windows 2000 pc. (works okay elsewhere)
> 
> Just before the installation completes get the message....
> 
> Title Bar: acmesetup.exe 'Bad image' 
> 
> with the message content being:
> 
> The application or DLL C:\~MSSETUP\~MSSTFQF.T\32AUTOLE.DLLis not a valid
> windows image. Please check againt installation diskette.
> 
> 
> Application files seem to install ok and folder set up ok but cannot run
> app.  After creating a shortcut (as the setup one did not install) I get
> the message...
> 
> "There Is No License" for ....
> Anyone any ideas???
> Many thanks in advance
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Nov  4 10:18:33 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:18:33 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] Summarizing like data - suggestions?
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022274A1@main2.marlow.com>

Group By Emplid, Name, Rate, and Title.  Sum both Hours fields.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Brown, Bryan [mailto:Bryan.Brown at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 6:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Summarizing like data - suggestions?


Hi everyone,

I listen a lot and offer help when I'm able (which, as a relative newcomer
when compared to many of you, is not often) and now I could use some help. I
have two tables of like data (or it could be one table with multiple rows of
similar records) and I need to combine the records when appropriate into one
table...

It seems simple enough, but it eludes me. I have about 3000 records to
compare and summarize. If all data elements, except hours, are the same
then, I add the hours, else I have to have separate entries. Any suggestions
would be appreciated - Thanks!

Example of Multiple rows in one table:

Sample Data Before Summary
Emplid;Name;Rate ;Title     ;Hours1;Hours2
100001;Fred; 9.50;Dishwasher;40    ;22
100001;Fred;15.00;Head Cook ;35    ;18
100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;40    ;22
100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;60    ;10


Desired Result Data after Summary
Emplid;Name;Rate ;Title     ;Hours1;Hours2
100001;Fred; 9.50;Dishwasher;40    ;22
100001;Fred;15.00;Head Cook ;35    ;18
100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;100   ;32







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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov  4 10:51:43 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:51:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022274A0@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c3a2f3$ed25b590$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

"there's a nice big hole in the wall" Drew

...the results of your beating your head against it no doubt :))))

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 11:16 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer


> Oh, I keep the door open, and there's a nice big hole in the wall, so
> there's plenty of airflow.  <grin>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 4:19 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
>
>
> On 3 Nov 2003 at 11:40, Drew Wutka wrote:
>
> > To tie this into an Access related (actually AccessD related) post, in
my
> > old place (one before the fire), I had my servers near the foot of my
> > bed...and those things were NOISY.  Of course, one of the fans was going
> > out, so that didn't help! <grin> But now that they're in the closet, I
can
> > soundly sleep at night, and still host the archives! <grin> (Come on,
give
> > me points for trying to tie that in!)
> >
>
> Until the archives get lost because the servers overheat and melt
> down without adequate airflow? :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Lexacorp Ltd
> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System
> Support.
>
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Nov  4 11:05:21 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:05:21 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022274A7@main2.marlow.com>

No, the results of not having an outlet in there.  Needed to run a lot of
cords, and just didn't feel like snaking em.  So I put a hole in the way
about 6" in diameter.  Might be smaller then that, but with the door
cracked, it's plenty of air flow! And still not very noisy.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer


"there's a nice big hole in the wall" Drew

...the results of your beating your head against it no doubt :))))

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 11:16 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer


> Oh, I keep the door open, and there's a nice big hole in the wall, so
> there's plenty of airflow.  <grin>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 4:19 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
>
>
> On 3 Nov 2003 at 11:40, Drew Wutka wrote:
>
> > To tie this into an Access related (actually AccessD related) post, in
my
> > old place (one before the fire), I had my servers near the foot of my
> > bed...and those things were NOISY.  Of course, one of the fans was going
> > out, so that didn't help! <grin> But now that they're in the closet, I
can
> > soundly sleep at night, and still host the archives! <grin> (Come on,
give
> > me points for trying to tie that in!)
> >
>
> Until the archives get lost because the servers overheat and melt
> down without adequate airflow? :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Lexacorp Ltd
> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System
> Support.
>
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov  4 11:37:24 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:37:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] data not entered error not triggering
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEDJFJAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I have a wierd thing occurring.  I have a form where the user enters data.
If they don't select a combo (put a FK in a field) and try to close the form
by clicking the x in the upper right corner, an error is triggered.  If they
click my close button, the form closes but the JET data error never
triggers.

My close button just does a docmd.close.

has anyone ever seen this?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov  4 14:03:36 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:03:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC
Message-ID: <007c01c3a30e$bbd6ec00$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Does anyone remember a download utility that you could use to alter the
Database window Objects toolbar in the Database window. I vaguely remember
that they referred to it as the Places toolbar -- might be wrong about that,
I just can't remember now.

I've been trying to find the utility at MS but can't so I don't know if this
is just another one of my "lost touch with reality" memories or if I'm just
keying in the wrong search criteria. I've searched on Objects and Places bar
and toolbar, and even Access utilities and add-in. :(

Susan H.




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov  4 14:16:33 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:16:33 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631240F@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

How are you trying to alter it?  You can change the items on it and
change their order by using the Customize option from the
menubar/toolbar.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 12:04 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC


Does anyone remember a download utility that you could use to alter the
Database window Objects toolbar in the Database window. I vaguely
remember that they referred to it as the Places toolbar -- might be
wrong about that, I just can't remember now.

I've been trying to find the utility at MS but can't so I don't know if
this is just another one of my "lost touch with reality" memories or if
I'm just keying in the wrong search criteria. I've searched on Objects
and Places bar and toolbar, and even Access utilities and add-in. :(

Susan H.



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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Tue Nov  4 14:22:44 2003
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 22:22:44 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] MSACCESS 2003 can't find the wizards...
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273EC@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <002001c3a311$6cea93f0$0100a8c0@kost36>

HI group
I used an Office XP version worked fine
I have just installed a trial version of OFFICE 2003.
While working I discovered that none of the access wizards works
The message I get, even when I try to run he ADD-IN manager is

Can't find the Wizard, or the wizard has not been installed or there is a
syntax error in the Declarations sections of a Visual Basic Module. The
wizard you need may be missing from thw Libraries key of the ... section of
the Windows Registry bla bla bla...

I have installed office two times but the problem remains the same
Could anybody know how to fix that?

Thank's all
Kostas Konstantinidis



From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Nov  4 14:28:37 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:28:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] CopyObject macro
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <42601.12.3.132.98.1067977717.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Hey Group

Is there a way to,(using a CopyObjectMacro) to copy a table, an save under
the same name + today's date ?


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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov  4 14:44:47 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:44:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631240F@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00f001c3a314$80d54600$220110ac@SUSANONE>

It's possible Charlotte, that the utility has been replaced with the
built-in features. I can't remember enough about it to say for sure and was
hoping someone else would remember it and put me out of my misery. :)

Susan H.


> How are you trying to alter it?  You can change the items on it and
> change their order by using the Customize option from the
> menubar/toolbar.



From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Nov  4 14:53:07 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:53:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC
In-Reply-To: <007c01c3a30e$bbd6ec00$220110ac@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKIEILHMAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Susan,

  I haven't seen or heard of anything like that.  Sorry.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:04 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC


Does anyone remember a download utility that you could use to alter the
Database window Objects toolbar in the Database window. I vaguely remember
that they referred to it as the Places toolbar -- might be wrong about that,
I just can't remember now.

I've been trying to find the utility at MS but can't so I don't know if this
is just another one of my "lost touch with reality" memories or if I'm just
keying in the wrong search criteria. I've searched on Objects and Places bar
and toolbar, and even Access utilities and add-in. :(

Susan H.



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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Nov  4 15:42:55 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 07:42:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] CopyObject macro
In-Reply-To: <42601.12.3.132.98.1067977717.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <3FA8A9FF.8242.2D48C3@localhost>

On 4 Nov 2003 at 15:28, Oleg_123 at xuppa.com wrote:

> Hey Group
> 
> Is there a way to,(using a CopyObjectMacro) to copy a table, an save under
> the same name + today's date ?
> 
> 

CopyObject macro can't take a function as an argument, it needs a 
simple string, so without finding the entry in  msysAccessObjects and 
hacking it, there is no way that I can think of.

Why do you need to use a CopyObject macro. How about a function:

Function CopyTable(TableName as String) 
	DoCmd.CopyObject , TableName & Format$(Date, "yymmdd"), acTable, 
TableName
End Function

If you *really* need a macro , create one which calls the function 
using Runcode.

 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Nov  4 15:54:38 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:54:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
Message-ID: <020b01c3a31e$3e94a060$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed (A2K).  When you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs to be repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access try to repair it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.

I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't do an import into a fresh database either.

I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?

TIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Tue Nov  4 15:59:37 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:59:37 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query - Should be simple but my brian is fried
Message-ID: <OF71ED2BED.471780F4-ON86256DD4.007873C0-86256DD4.0078D0A5@nc.us.bank-dns.com>


First off forgive me for asking about this as I should remember how to do
this but it has been a long day today.





 I have a table with the following fields (Field Type in Paras):


 TransactionNumber (Autonumber)


 FundNumber (LongInteger)


 TransactionDate (Date)


 TransactionAmount (Double)


 TransactionComments (Text:255)


 What I need to do is have an output similar to the following:





 TransacationDate


 Transaction Amount


 Running Total for Fund


 This is sorted by Transaction Date





 Thanks for your help.



From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Nov  4 16:01:37 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:01:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] CopyObject macro
In-Reply-To: <3FA8A9FF.8242.2D48C3@localhost>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
        <3FA8A9FF.8242.2D48C3@localhost>
Message-ID: <29737.12.3.132.98.1067983297.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Thanks a lot Stuart, I did put it as RunCode in Macro and called the
function (this had to be a part of one large macro)
:--)

> On 4 Nov 2003 at 15:28, Oleg_123 at xuppa.com wrote:
>
>> Hey Group
>>
>> Is there a way to,(using a CopyObjectMacro) to copy a table, an save
>> under the same name + today's date ?
>>
>>
>
> CopyObject macro can't take a function as an argument, it needs a
> simple string, so without finding the entry in  msysAccessObjects and
> hacking it, there is no way that I can think of.
>
> Why do you need to use a CopyObject macro. How about a function:
>
> Function CopyTable(TableName as String)
> 	DoCmd.CopyObject , TableName & Format$(Date, "yymmdd"), acTable,
> TableName
> End Function
>
> If you *really* need a macro , create one which calls the function
> using Runcode.
>
>
> --
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> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System
> Support.
>
>
>
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  4 16:21:23 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:21:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
Message-ID: <BAY2-F96NDA25FXmgoV0002e8cf@hotmail.com>

If you have a known good copy of it you can try to open that in a editor, 
copy and paste the beginning of that file on top of the hosed one (a copy of 
the hosed one actually) save the tweaked file and see if you can open it 
then to try and copy out what you can. Sometimes the header at the beginning 
of the file get's trashed. Never done it, only heard about it.  Proceed at 
your own risk.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:54:38 -0800
>
>Dear List:
>
>I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed (A2K).  When 
>you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs to be 
>repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access try to repair 
>it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.
>
>I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't do an 
>import into a fresh database either.
>
>I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?
>
>TIA,
>
>Rocky Smolin
>Beach Access Software
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Nov  4 16:33:29 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:33:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
References: <BAY2-F96NDA25FXmgoV0002e8cf@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <02ce01c3a323$ab8e04e0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Gary:

I'm looking at then and they do look different.  How do I know where the
header ends, or how much to copy and paste?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at hotmail.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


> If you have a known good copy of it you can try to open that in a editor,
> copy and paste the beginning of that file on top of the hosed one (a copy
of
> the hosed one actually) save the tweaked file and see if you can open it
> then to try and copy out what you can. Sometimes the header at the
beginning
> of the file get's trashed. Never done it, only heard about it.  Proceed at
> your own risk.
>
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
> >Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:54:38 -0800
> >
> >Dear List:
> >
> >I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed (A2K).
When
> >you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs to be
> >repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access try to
repair
> >it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.
> >
> >I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't do an
> >import into a fresh database either.
> >
> >I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?
> >
> >TIA,
> >
> >Rocky Smolin
> >Beach Access Software
> >_______________________________________________
> >AccessD mailing list
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>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov  4 16:54:59 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:54:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query - Should be simple but my brian is
	fried
References: <OF71ED2BED.471780F4-ON86256DD4.007873C0-86256DD4.0078D0A5@nc.us.bank-dns.com>
Message-ID: <023001c3a326$acc481b0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

..I'm confused ...you want it sorted by transaction date but you want a
running total by fund ...but the FundNumber isn't an output field you can
group on?

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 4:59 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query - Should be simple but my brian is fried


>
> First off forgive me for asking about this as I should remember how to do
> this but it has been a long day today.
>
>
>
>
>
>  I have a table with the following fields (Field Type in Paras):
>
>
>  TransactionNumber (Autonumber)
>
>
>  FundNumber (LongInteger)
>
>
>  TransactionDate (Date)
>
>
>  TransactionAmount (Double)
>
>
>  TransactionComments (Text:255)
>
>
>  What I need to do is have an output similar to the following:
>
>
>
>
>
>  TransacationDate
>
>
>  Transaction Amount
>
>
>  Running Total for Fund
>
>
>  This is sorted by Transaction Date
>
>
>
>
>
>  Thanks for your help.
>
>
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From lists at jbsolutions.com.au  Tue Nov  4 17:00:59 2003
From: lists at jbsolutions.com.au (Joshua B)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 9:0:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC
Message-ID: <200311042300.hA4N0v602236@databaseadvisors.com>

Hello Susan Harkins,

The "Places Bar" is not actually the objects toolbar. It is the bar down the side of the Open/Save Dialog in O2K and greater. It can be tweaked using registry tricks, and there is also quite a few programs that will do the job for you. Have a look here... http://www.primeconsulting.com/faqs/faq0301-05.html

As far as the Object Bar is concerned, as Charlotte said, it is fairly customisable in it's own right. 

HTH

======= At 2003-11-04, 15:03:00 you wrote: =======

>Does anyone remember a download utility that you could use to alter the
>Database window Objects toolbar in the Database window. I vaguely remember
>that they referred to it as the Places toolbar -- might be wrong about that,
>I just can't remember now.
>
>I've been trying to find the utility at MS but can't so I don't know if this
>is just another one of my "lost touch with reality" memories or if I'm just
>keying in the wrong search criteria. I've searched on Objects and Places bar
>and toolbar, and even Access utilities and add-in. :(
>
>Susan H.

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
			

Best regards.				 
Joshua B
lists at jbsolutions.com.au
www.jbsolutions.com.au
2003-11-05




From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov  4 17:07:06 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:07:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC
References: <200311042300.hA4N0v602236@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <001901c3a328$fc96b3a0$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Ok, I'm sorry -- I think you are correct -- I'm talking about the
Outlook-style bar that was introduced several versions ago.

I generally refer to the bar in the Database window as the Objects bar
because just above it is the label "Objects"

But you're right -- they're two different things and that has probably been
the stumbling block to finding anything. Thank you.

Susan H.


> Hello Susan Harkins,
>
> The "Places Bar" is not actually the objects toolbar. It is the bar down
the side of the Open/Save Dialog in O2K and greater. It can be tweaked using
registry tricks, and there is also quite a few programs that will do the job
for you. Have a look here...
http://www.primeconsulting.com/faqs/faq0301-05.html
>
> As far as the Object Bar is concerned, as Charlotte said, it is fairly
customisable in it's own right.
>
> HTH
>
> ======= At 2003-11-04, 15:03:00 you wrote: =======
>
> >Does anyone remember a download utility that you could use to alter the
> >Database window Objects toolbar in the Database window. I vaguely
remember
> >that they referred to it as the Places toolbar -- might be wrong about
that,
> >I just can't remember now.
> >
> >I've been trying to find the utility at MS but can't so I don't know if
this
> >is just another one of my "lost touch with reality" memories or if I'm
just
> >keying in the wrong search criteria. I've searched on Objects and Places
bar
> >and toolbar, and even Access utilities and add-in. :(
> >
> >Susan H.
>
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>
>
> Best regards.
> Joshua B
> lists at jbsolutions.com.au
> www.jbsolutions.com.au
> 2003-11-05
>
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Nov  4 17:23:55 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:23:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query - Should be simple but my brian is
	fried
In-Reply-To: <023001c3a326$acc481b0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <3FA8C1AB.13960.4472B@localhost>

William,
You can read between the lines and handle the "by fund", the problem 
is getting a running sum in a *query* rather than a report.

Jeffrey, 
Do you really mean in a query, or will a report do it.



On 4 Nov 2003 at 17:54, William Hindman wrote:

> ..I'm confused ...you want it sorted by transaction date but you want a
> running total by fund ...but the FundNumber isn't an output field you can
> group on?
> 
> William Hindman
> Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 4:59 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query - Should be simple but my brian is fried
> 
> 
> >
> > First off forgive me for asking about this as I should remember how to do
> > this but it has been a long day today.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  I have a table with the following fields (Field Type in Paras):
> >
> >
> >  TransactionNumber (Autonumber)
> >
> >
> >  FundNumber (LongInteger)
> >
> >
> >  TransactionDate (Date)
> >
> >
> >  TransactionAmount (Double)
> >
> >
> >  TransactionComments (Text:255)
> >
> >
> >  What I need to do is have an output similar to the following:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  TransacationDate
> >
> >
> >  Transaction Amount
> >
> >
> >  Running Total for Fund
> >
> >
> >  This is sorted by Transaction Date
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Thanks for your help.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> 
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Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support.




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Nov  4 18:01:18 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:01:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - BE corruption???
References: <oprx27avloeuy8y3@localhost> <3FA7CFB9.5090003@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <3FA83DCE.2010108@shaw.ca>

You must first update to Jet SP3 then update to higher level SP's at 
least there used to be warnings about this. The highest SP so far is SP7 
for Win9x and WinNT; SP8 for WinXP 2000 and 2003. SP8 fixes some Oracle 
interface problems. SP7 and 8 are inclusive of patches from SP 4 through 7
Jet SP7
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;282010
Jet 3.5 SP3
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=7e82ef88-52ec-4a8f-8bb2-8b06d6cb668d&DisplayLang=en



Francisco H Tapia wrote:

> I would try and update his copy of Jet to SP6 to see if your results 
> change.
>
> Carlos Alberto Alves wrote:
>
>> Dear Mates:
>> I would like to have your opinion on this matter. I developed an A2k 
>> database system with three identical FE's and one BE. It has data 
>> from jan2001 to now. Upon executing a simple select query I noticed 
>> that I could not retrieve any records from 2002. The same query 
>> executed on a BE backup copy from jul2003 returned all due records.
>> Is this a BE corruption??? I tried ???Compact and repair...???, 
>> JetComp and import all tables to a new BE with no better results.
>> Things that called my attention:
>> 1- I use Jet 4.0 SP6 and my client uses something older than SP3;
>> 2- I use Access 2000/Office 2000 and my client uses Access 
>> 2000/Office 97.
>> Thanks for any input,
>
>
>
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From demulling at centurytel.net  Tue Nov  4 20:13:21 2003
From: demulling at centurytel.net (Demulling Family)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 20:13:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query - Should be simple but my brian is
 fried
In-Reply-To: <3FA8C1AB.13960.4472B@localhost>
References: <3FA8C1AB.13960.4472B@localhost>
Message-ID: <3FA85CC1.3070000@centurytel.net>

Like I said it has been a long day.  I am only pulling one fund.  There 
can be many funds in the table that the query is being based on.

I would like to do the running sum in the query.  But to start off with 
I need it done in a form and then later on in a report.

Stuart McLachlan wrote:

>William,
>You can read between the lines and handle the "by fund", the problem 
>is getting a running sum in a *query* rather than a report.
>
>Jeffrey, 
>Do you really mean in a query, or will a report do it.
>
>
>
>On 4 Nov 2003 at 17:54, William Hindman wrote:
>
>  
>
>>..I'm confused ...you want it sorted by transaction date but you want a
>>running total by fund ...but the FundNumber isn't an output field you can
>>group on?
>>
>>William Hindman
>>Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
>>government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: <jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com>
>>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 4:59 PM
>>Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query - Should be simple but my brian is fried
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>First off forgive me for asking about this as I should remember how to do
>>>this but it has been a long day today.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a table with the following fields (Field Type in Paras):
>>>
>>>
>>> TransactionNumber (Autonumber)
>>>
>>>
>>> FundNumber (LongInteger)
>>>
>>>
>>> TransactionDate (Date)
>>>
>>>
>>> TransactionAmount (Double)
>>>
>>>
>>> TransactionComments (Text:255)
>>>
>>>
>>> What I need to do is have an output similar to the following:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> TransacationDate
>>>
>>>
>>> Transaction Amount
>>>
>>>
>>> Running Total for Fund
>>>
>>>
>>> This is sorted by Transaction Date
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>AccessD mailing list
>>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>    
>>
>
> 
>  
>



From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Nov  4 22:07:26 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:07:26 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Too Few Paramaters. Expected 1
Message-ID: <002501c3a352$52cf02d0$3c619a89@DDICK>

Hello all
Can anyone tell me why I am getting the dreaded Too Few Paramaters blah blah blah error message when
I run the code below?? The code is almast exact of something else that is running quite well on the same form.

Many thanks

Darren
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
Dim db     As Database
Dim rs     As Recordset
Dim strSQL As String
Dim x      As Long

Set db = CurrentDb()

strSQL = "SELECT tblAssesmentResults.AssesmentResultID, tblAssesmentResults.ResultID FROM tblAssesmentResults WHERE
(((tblAssesmentResults.ResultID)=[Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID]));"

Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenSnapshot)

      With rs
        'If Not .EOF Then
            x = rs.RecordCount
            MsgBox x
        'End If
        .Close
   End With

Set rs = Nothing
db.Close
Set db = Nothing



From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Tue Nov  4 22:57:23 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:27:23 +1030 
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Too Few Paramaters. Expected 1
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A4DF@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

1)  You should try to dim your variables with its library, especially in
regard to databases and recordsets.
2)  You need to escape your variables from within your SQL string.
3)  If all you want is a count of records, there's no need to retrieve an
entire recordset. Use DCOUNT function or SELECT COUNT.
4)  You can use ME instead of the full form name, if you are running this
code from an event of the same form,

So to fix the intital problem:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
Dim db     DAO.As Database
Dim rs     As DAO.Recordset
Dim strSQL As String
Dim x      As Long

Set db = CurrentDb()

strSQL = "SELECT tblAssesmentResults.AssesmentResultID,
tblAssesmentResults.ResultID _ 
	FROM tblAssesmentResults _
	WHERE tblAssesmentResults.ResultID = " &
[Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID])) & ";"

Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenSnapshot)

      With rs
        'If Not .EOF Then
            x = rs.RecordCount
            MsgBox x
        'End If
        .Close
   End With

Set rs = Nothing
db.Close
Set db = Nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

A better method:

*********************************************************
Dim x as long
x = DCOUNT("*","tblAssesmentResults","ResultID = " & me.txtResultID)
msgbox x
*********************************************************

Cheers,
Andrew

PS. You spelt Assessment wrong  ;=)

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 5 November 2003 2:37 PM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Too Few Paramaters. Expected 1


Hello all
Can anyone tell me why I am getting the dreaded Too Few Paramaters blah blah
blah error message when
I run the code below?? The code is almast exact of something else that is
running quite well on the same form.

Many thanks

Darren
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
Dim db     As Database
Dim rs     As Recordset
Dim strSQL As String
Dim x      As Long

Set db = CurrentDb()

strSQL = "SELECT tblAssesmentResults.AssesmentResultID,
tblAssesmentResults.ResultID FROM tblAssesmentResults WHERE
(((tblAssesmentResults.ResultID)=[Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID]));"

Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenSnapshot)

      With rs
        'If Not .EOF Then
            x = rs.RecordCount
            MsgBox x
        'End If
        .Close
   End With

Set rs = Nothing
db.Close
Set db = Nothing


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Nov  4 23:08:18 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:08:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Too Few Paramaters. Expected 1
References: <002501c3a352$52cf02d0$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <048001c3a35a$d3cfc920$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Darren:

Can't see why offhand but I would put MsgBox "*" &
[Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID] & "*" right before the Set rs
statement to see if there's a valid value for the ID coming from the form.

Or put MsgBox strSQL right before the Set rs statement to see the whole
thing.  Sometimes it shows up a little syntax error that I just can't see
looking at the code.

Also do you think you might have to surround the
[Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID] with Val(), like
Val([Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID]))?

Just a guess.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren DICK" <d.dick at uws.edu.au>
To: "AccessD List" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 8:07 PM
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Too Few Paramaters. Expected 1


> Hello all
> Can anyone tell me why I am getting the dreaded Too Few Paramaters blah
blah blah error message when
> I run the code below?? The code is almast exact of something else that is
running quite well on the same form.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Darren
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
> Dim db     As Database
> Dim rs     As Recordset
> Dim strSQL As String
> Dim x      As Long
>
> Set db = CurrentDb()
>
> strSQL = "SELECT tblAssesmentResults.AssesmentResultID,
tblAssesmentResults.ResultID FROM tblAssesmentResults WHERE
> (((tblAssesmentResults.ResultID)=[Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID]));"
>
> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenSnapshot)
>
>       With rs
>         'If Not .EOF Then
>             x = rs.RecordCount
>             MsgBox x
>         'End If
>         .Close
>    End With
>
> Set rs = Nothing
> db.Close
> Set db = Nothing
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Nov  4 23:31:16 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:31:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] data not entered error not triggering
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEDJFJAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFIEHBCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

Not that specific error but I am having one today that when I close a popup
form, it closes both the popup and the caller form and there we are back to
the main menu. Time for a project rebuild.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 9:37 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] data not entered error not triggering


I have a wierd thing occurring.  I have a form where the user enters data.
If they don't select a combo (put a FK in a field) and try to close the form
by clicking the x in the upper right corner, an error is triggered.  If they
click my close button, the form closes but the JET data error never
triggers.

My close button just does a docmd.close.

has anyone ever seen this?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Nov  5 00:12:36 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:12:36 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Too Few Paramaters. Expected 1
References: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A4DF@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <004e01c3a363$ceddad70$3c619a89@DDICK>

Thanks to all who responded
I went with the DCOUNT method
Thanks Andrew
and Yes I have spelt assessment wrong. - thanks

Have a great day

Darren

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Haslett, Andrew" <andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:57 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Too Few Paramaters. Expected 1


> 1)  You should try to dim your variables with its library, especially in
> regard to databases and recordsets.
> 2)  You need to escape your variables from within your SQL string.
> 3)  If all you want is a count of records, there's no need to retrieve an
> entire recordset. Use DCOUNT function or SELECT COUNT.
> 4)  You can use ME instead of the full form name, if you are running this
> code from an event of the same form,
> 
> So to fix the intital problem:
> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
> Dim db     DAO.As Database
> Dim rs     As DAO.Recordset
> Dim strSQL As String
> Dim x      As Long
> 
> Set db = CurrentDb()
> 
> strSQL = "SELECT tblAssesmentResults.AssesmentResultID,
> tblAssesmentResults.ResultID _ 
> FROM tblAssesmentResults _
> WHERE tblAssesmentResults.ResultID = " &
> [Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID])) & ";"
> 
> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenSnapshot)
> 
>       With rs
>         'If Not .EOF Then
>             x = rs.RecordCount
>             MsgBox x
>         'End If
>         .Close
>    End With
> 
> Set rs = Nothing
> db.Close
> Set db = Nothing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> 
> A better method:
> 
> *********************************************************
> Dim x as long
> x = DCOUNT("*","tblAssesmentResults","ResultID = " & me.txtResultID)
> msgbox x
> *********************************************************
> 
> Cheers,
> Andrew
> 
> PS. You spelt Assessment wrong  ;=)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> Sent: Wednesday, 5 November 2003 2:37 PM
> To: AccessD List
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Too Few Paramaters. Expected 1
> 
> 
> Hello all
> Can anyone tell me why I am getting the dreaded Too Few Paramaters blah blah
> blah error message when
> I run the code below?? The code is almast exact of something else that is
> running quite well on the same form.
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Darren
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
> Dim db     As Database
> Dim rs     As Recordset
> Dim strSQL As String
> Dim x      As Long
> 
> Set db = CurrentDb()
> 
> strSQL = "SELECT tblAssesmentResults.AssesmentResultID,
> tblAssesmentResults.ResultID FROM tblAssesmentResults WHERE
> (((tblAssesmentResults.ResultID)=[Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID]));"
> 
> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenSnapshot)
> 
>       With rs
>         'If Not .EOF Then
>             x = rs.RecordCount
>             MsgBox x
>         'End If
>         .Close
>    End With
> 
> Set rs = Nothing
> db.Close
> Set db = Nothing
> 
> 
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> 
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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Wed Nov  5 08:17:09 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:17:09 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Too Few Paramaters. Expected 1
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE0D7@TAPPEEXCH01>

The query engine doesn't know what [Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID]
means.  You can either do:

Dim prm As Parameter

For Each prm in rs.Parameters
    prm.Value = Eval(prm.Name)
Next prm

Or... (preferred method)
Just concatenate the control's value into the SQL string so it doesn't need
to be parsed:

strSQL = "SELECT tblAssesmentResults.AssesmentResultID,
tblAssesmentResults.ResultID FROM tblAssesmentResults WHERE
(((tblAssesmentResults.ResultID)=" & Forms!frmAssesments!txtResultID & "));"

Either way should give you the results you want.


-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 11:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Too Few Paramaters. Expected 1


Darren:

Can't see why offhand but I would put MsgBox "*" &
[Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID] & "*" right before the Set rs
statement to see if there's a valid value for the ID coming from the form.

Or put MsgBox strSQL right before the Set rs statement to see the whole
thing.  Sometimes it shows up a little syntax error that I just can't see
looking at the code.

Also do you think you might have to surround the
[Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID] with Val(), like
Val([Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID]))?

Just a guess.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren DICK" <d.dick at uws.edu.au>
To: "AccessD List" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 8:07 PM
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Too Few Paramaters. Expected 1


> Hello all
> Can anyone tell me why I am getting the dreaded Too Few Paramaters blah
blah blah error message when
> I run the code below?? The code is almast exact of something else that is
running quite well on the same form.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Darren
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
> Dim db     As Database
> Dim rs     As Recordset
> Dim strSQL As String
> Dim x      As Long
>
> Set db = CurrentDb()
>
> strSQL = "SELECT tblAssesmentResults.AssesmentResultID,
tblAssesmentResults.ResultID FROM tblAssesmentResults WHERE
> (((tblAssesmentResults.ResultID)=[Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID]));"
>
> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenSnapshot)
>
>       With rs
>         'If Not .EOF Then
>             x = rs.RecordCount
>             MsgBox x
>         'End If
>         .Close
>    End With
>
> Set rs = Nothing
> db.Close
> Set db = Nothing
>
>
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  5 09:03:52 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:03:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
Message-ID: <BAY2-F49pLC3MniNikk0001abca@hotmail.com>

I think it will need to be somewhat of an educated guess/trial and error.  
If you can find some info on the file structure of an MDB file that would 
help....here's one such website with info on that. Unfortunately it doesn't 
indicate which version of Access it applies too.

http://www.xiph.org/positron/doc/mdb.html

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:33:29 -0800
>
>Gary:
>
>I'm looking at then and they do look different.  How do I know where the
>header ends, or how much to copy and paste?
>
>Rocky
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:21 PM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>
>
> > If you have a known good copy of it you can try to open that in a 
>editor,
> > copy and paste the beginning of that file on top of the hosed one (a 
>copy
>of
> > the hosed one actually) save the tweaked file and see if you can open it
> > then to try and copy out what you can. Sometimes the header at the
>beginning
> > of the file get's trashed. Never done it, only heard about it.  Proceed 
>at
> > your own risk.
> >
> > Gary Kjos
> > garykjos at hotmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
> > >Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:54:38 -0800
> > >
> > >Dear List:
> > >
> > >I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed (A2K).
>When
> > >you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs to be
> > >repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access try to
>repair
> > >it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.
> > >
> > >I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't do an
> > >import into a fresh database either.
> > >
> > >I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?
> > >
> > >TIA,
> > >
> > >Rocky Smolin
> > >Beach Access Software
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >AccessD mailing list
> > >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95.
> > https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.)
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Wed Nov  5 09:05:52 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:05:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
In-Reply-To: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE0D7@TAPPEEXCH01>
References: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE0D7@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <33417.12.3.132.98.1068044752.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Hi Group, I only know how to do this, when there is an object to be sent,
how to do this when there is no object ?


Function SendEmail()

DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject, _
To:="Oleg_123 at xuppa.com, _
Subject:="Database UpDates", _
MessageText:="There hasn't been any changes since last time", _
EditMessage:="No"

End Function


-----------------------------------------
Get Breaking News from CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS Now.
http://www.xuppa.com/news/?link=webmail



From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Wed Nov  5 09:15:33 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:15:33 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8FB@nnse14.nns.com>

Will Shell work in your situation?



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:06 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba


Hi Group, I only know how to do this, when there is an object to be sent,
how to do this when there is no object ?


Function SendEmail()

DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject, _
To:="Oleg_123 at xuppa.com, _
Subject:="Database UpDates", _
MessageText:="There hasn't been any changes since last time", _
EditMessage:="No"

End Function


-----------------------------------------
Get Breaking News from CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS Now.
http://www.xuppa.com/news/?link=webmail


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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Wed Nov  5 09:23:06 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:23:06 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8FC@nnse14.nns.com>

How about this?

http://www.mvps.org/access/modules/mdl0019.htm



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] sending an email via vba


Will Shell work in your situation?



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:06 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba


Hi Group, I only know how to do this, when there is an object to be sent,
how to do this when there is no object ?


Function SendEmail()

DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject, _
To:="Oleg_123 at xuppa.com, _
Subject:="Database UpDates", _
MessageText:="There hasn't been any changes since last time", _
EditMessage:="No"

End Function


-----------------------------------------
Get Breaking News from CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS Now.
http://www.xuppa.com/news/?link=webmail


_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
_______________________________________________
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AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Wed Nov  5 09:32:58 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:32:58 +0100
Subject: AW: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059DB3@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

are you using outlook?

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von
Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. November 2003 16:06
An: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Betreff: [AccessD] sending an email via vba


Hi Group, I only know how to do this, when there is an object to be sent,
how to do this when there is no object ?


Function SendEmail()

DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject, _
To:="Oleg_123 at xuppa.com, _
Subject:="Database UpDates", _
MessageText:="There hasn't been any changes since last time", _
EditMessage:="No"

End Function


-----------------------------------------
Get Breaking News from CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS Now.
http://www.xuppa.com/news/?link=webmail


_______________________________________________
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AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Wed Nov  5 09:36:01 2003
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:36:01 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A0330604A@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

Oleg, it should work just as you have it.  Since you specify acSendNoObject,
the e-mail gets sent with just the Subject and message you enter and doesn't
attach a file.

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:06 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba


Hi Group, I only know how to do this, when there is an object to be sent,
how to do this when there is no object ?


Function SendEmail()

DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject, _
To:="Oleg_123 at xuppa.com, _
Subject:="Database UpDates", _
MessageText:="There hasn't been any changes since last time", _
EditMessage:="No"

End Function


-----------------------------------------
Get Breaking News from CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS Now.
http://www.xuppa.com/news/?link=webmail


_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov  5 09:41:21 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:41:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
In-Reply-To: <33417.12.3.132.98.1068044752.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJEEJJFEAA.john@winhaven.net>

Oleg:
It would appear from your code that you are not sending an object
(acSendNoObject) which is the default for the SendObject method.

However EditMessage is boolean so IIRC it should read EditMessage:=False

HTH
John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:06 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
>
>
> Hi Group, I only know how to do this, when there is an object to be sent,
> how to do this when there is no object ?
>
>
> Function SendEmail()
>
> DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject, _
> To:="Oleg_123 at xuppa.com, _
> Subject:="Database UpDates", _
> MessageText:="There hasn't been any changes since last time", _
> EditMessage:="No"
>
> End Function
>
>
> -----------------------------------------
> Get Breaking News from CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS Now.
> http://www.xuppa.com/news/?link=webmail
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Nov  5 09:54:59 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:54:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
References: <BAY2-F49pLC3MniNikk0001abca@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <006401c3a3b5$2aaf1070$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

I think he's SOL.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at hotmail.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


> I think it will need to be somewhat of an educated guess/trial and error.
> If you can find some info on the file structure of an MDB file that would
> help....here's one such website with info on that. Unfortunately it
doesn't
> indicate which version of Access it applies too.
>
> http://www.xiph.org/positron/doc/mdb.html
>
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
> >Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:33:29 -0800
> >
> >Gary:
> >
> >I'm looking at then and they do look different.  How do I know where the
> >header ends, or how much to copy and paste?
> >
> >Rocky
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at hotmail.com>
> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:21 PM
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
> >
> >
> > > If you have a known good copy of it you can try to open that in a
> >editor,
> > > copy and paste the beginning of that file on top of the hosed one (a
> >copy
> >of
> > > the hosed one actually) save the tweaked file and see if you can open
it
> > > then to try and copy out what you can. Sometimes the header at the
> >beginning
> > > of the file get's trashed. Never done it, only heard about it.
Proceed
> >at
> > > your own risk.
> > >
> > > Gary Kjos
> > > garykjos at hotmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
> > > >Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:54:38 -0800
> > > >
> > > >Dear List:
> > > >
> > > >I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed (A2K).
> >When
> > > >you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs to
be
> > > >repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access try to
> >repair
> > > >it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.
> > > >
> > > >I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't do
an
> > > >import into a fresh database either.
> > > >
> > > >I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?
> > > >
> > > >TIA,
> > > >
> > > >Rocky Smolin
> > > >Beach Access Software
> > > >_______________________________________________
> > > >AccessD mailing list
> > > >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________________________
> > > Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95.
> > > https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.)
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >AccessD mailing list
> >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $26.95.
> https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.)
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From weeden1949 at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  5 10:05:58 2003
From: weeden1949 at hotmail.com (Greg Smith)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:05:58 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
References: <020b01c3a31e$3e94a060$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <BAY8-DAV20aCry2mFe200012cc5@hotmail.com>

Rocky:

What kind of error do you get when you try to 'repair' the db?  The
following MS article told me the unfortunate news when I was getting this
type of error on a customer's db.  They had to restore from a backup copy I
had (their tape backup wasn't working...go figure) and reenter all the data
since I'd made my copy.

Look at:  KB158933 ACC: Error Message: <Database Name> Isn't an Index in
This Table

If you're getting THAT one, you're hosed.

Greg Smith
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:54 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


Dear List:

I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed (A2K).  When
you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs to be
repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access try to repair
it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.

I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't do an
import into a fresh database either.

I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?

TIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Nov  5 10:13:44 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:13:44 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
References: <020b01c3a31e$3e94a060$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<BAY8-DAV20aCry2mFe200012cc5@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <009201c3a3b7$c907f370$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

I don't get an error message.  It just ponders for about a minute then
Access terminates with no error message and I get to send a message to
Microsoft if I want to (like dropping rocks into a deep pool).

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Smith" <weeden1949 at hotmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


> Rocky:
>
> What kind of error do you get when you try to 'repair' the db?  The
> following MS article told me the unfortunate news when I was getting this
> type of error on a customer's db.  They had to restore from a backup copy
I
> had (their tape backup wasn't working...go figure) and reenter all the
data
> since I'd made my copy.
>
> Look at:  KB158933 ACC: Error Message: <Database Name> Isn't an Index in
> This Table
>
> If you're getting THAT one, you're hosed.
>
> Greg Smith
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:54 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed (A2K).  When
> you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs to be
> repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access try to
repair
> it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.
>
> I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't do an
> import into a fresh database either.
>
> I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?
>
> TIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Nov  5 10:16:39 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:16:39 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C844@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

What does it mean by not sending object? I am confused, what is the email
sending?

DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject,

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] sending an email via vba


Oleg:
It would appear from your code that you are not sending an object
(acSendNoObject) which is the default for the SendObject method.

However EditMessage is boolean so IIRC it should read EditMessage:=False

HTH
John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:06 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
>
>
> Hi Group, I only know how to do this, when there is an object to be sent,
> how to do this when there is no object ?
>
>
> Function SendEmail()
>
> DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject, _
> To:="Oleg_123 at xuppa.com, _
> Subject:="Database UpDates", _
> MessageText:="There hasn't been any changes since last time", _
> EditMessage:="No"
>
> End Function
>
>
> -----------------------------------------
> Get Breaking News from CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS Now.
> http://www.xuppa.com/news/?link=webmail
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov  5 10:22:40 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:22:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] data not entered error not triggering
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312411@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

What error are you expecting?  Is the FK a required field?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 9:37 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] data not entered error not triggering


I have a wierd thing occurring.  I have a form where the user enters
data. If they don't select a combo (put a FK in a field) and try to
close the form by clicking the x in the upper right corner, an error is
triggered.  If they click my close button, the form closes but the JET
data error never triggers.

My close button just does a docmd.close.

has anyone ever seen this?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  5 10:23:27 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:23:27 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
Message-ID: <BAY2-F35JZjS8h1kkUX0001b110@hotmail.com>

Yep, probably. There are outside service companies that might be able to 
help....

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:54:59 -0800
>
>I think he's SOL.
>
>Rocky
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:03 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>
>
> > I think it will need to be somewhat of an educated guess/trial and 
>error.
> > If you can find some info on the file structure of an MDB file that 
>would
> > help....here's one such website with info on that. Unfortunately it
>doesn't
> > indicate which version of Access it applies too.
> >
> > http://www.xiph.org/positron/doc/mdb.html
> >
> > Gary Kjos
> > garykjos at hotmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
> > >Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:33:29 -0800
> > >
> > >Gary:
> > >
> > >I'm looking at then and they do look different.  How do I know where 
>the
> > >header ends, or how much to copy and paste?
> > >
> > >Rocky
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at hotmail.com>
> > >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:21 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
> > >
> > >
> > > > If you have a known good copy of it you can try to open that in a
> > >editor,
> > > > copy and paste the beginning of that file on top of the hosed one (a
> > >copy
> > >of
> > > > the hosed one actually) save the tweaked file and see if you can 
>open
>it
> > > > then to try and copy out what you can. Sometimes the header at the
> > >beginning
> > > > of the file get's trashed. Never done it, only heard about it.
>Proceed
> > >at
> > > > your own risk.
> > > >
> > > > Gary Kjos
> > > > garykjos at hotmail.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > >To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > >Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
> > > > >Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:54:38 -0800
> > > > >
> > > > >Dear List:
> > > > >
> > > > >I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed 
>(A2K).
> > >When
> > > > >you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs to
>be
> > > > >repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access try 
>to
> > >repair
> > > > >it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.
> > > > >
> > > > >I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't 
>do
>an
> > > > >import into a fresh database either.
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?
> > > > >
> > > > >TIA,
> > > > >
> > > > >Rocky Smolin
> > > > >Beach Access Software
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov  5 10:25:32 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:25:32 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312412@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Is it possible one of your users opened the database in Word?  That will
certainly cause the situation you've described, and in that case the
database is well and truly hosed beyond recovery.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


I don't get an error message.  It just ponders for about a minute then
Access terminates with no error message and I get to send a message to
Microsoft if I want to (like dropping rocks into a deep pool).

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Smith" <weeden1949 at hotmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


> Rocky:
>
> What kind of error do you get when you try to 'repair' the db?  The 
> following MS article told me the unfortunate news when I was getting 
> this type of error on a customer's db.  They had to restore from a 
> backup copy
I
> had (their tape backup wasn't working...go figure) and reenter all the
data
> since I'd made my copy.
>
> Look at:  KB158933 ACC: Error Message: <Database Name> Isn't an Index 
> in This Table
>
> If you're getting THAT one, you're hosed.
>
> Greg Smith
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:54 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed (A2K).  
> When you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs 
> to be repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access 
> try to
repair
> it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.
>
> I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't do 
> an import into a fresh database either.
>
> I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?
>
> TIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Nov  5 10:31:19 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:31:19 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312412@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000701c3a3ba$3e2fa420$9111758f@aine>

Cant remember the web address but think the guys name is Peter Millar. He
repairs DBs. I have one a client opened in Word before. Never worked again.

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:25 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


> Is it possible one of your users opened the database in Word?  That will
> certainly cause the situation you've described, and in that case the
> database is well and truly hosed beyond recovery.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>
>
> I don't get an error message.  It just ponders for about a minute then
> Access terminates with no error message and I get to send a message to
> Microsoft if I want to (like dropping rocks into a deep pool).
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Greg Smith" <weeden1949 at hotmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>
>
> > Rocky:
> >
> > What kind of error do you get when you try to 'repair' the db?  The
> > following MS article told me the unfortunate news when I was getting
> > this type of error on a customer's db.  They had to restore from a
> > backup copy
> I
> > had (their tape backup wasn't working...go figure) and reenter all the
> data
> > since I'd made my copy.
> >
> > Look at:  KB158933 ACC: Error Message: <Database Name> Isn't an Index
> > in This Table
> >
> > If you're getting THAT one, you're hosed.
> >
> > Greg Smith
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:54 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed (A2K).
> > When you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs
> > to be repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access
> > try to
> repair
> > it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.
> >
> > I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't do
> > an import into a fresh database either.
> >
> > I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov  5 10:31:23 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:31:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] normalization
Message-ID: <003a01c3a3ba$46dfea30$230110ac@SUSANONE>


>
http://searchdatabase.techtarget.com/featuredTopic/0,290042,sid13_gci879196,
> 00.html?track=NL-94
>
> ====I haven't had a chance to review everything, but thought I'd share
this
> because of the links at the bottom -- looks like a really good
concentation
> of articles. Most of you won't need this, but it should prove helpful to
> anyone struggling with the concept.
>
> Susan H.



From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov  5 10:37:43 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:37:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C844@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIKEMLEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Virginia;
Object would be a form, module, query, report, or table. Basically it would
attach the chosen object to the email. If you state acSendNoObject there
wouldn't be an attachment (hence, I suppose, why this is the default
option.)

HTH
John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:17 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
>
>
> What does it mean by not sending object? I am confused, what is the email
> sending?
>
> DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject,
>
> Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
>
>
> Oleg:
> It would appear from your code that you are not sending an object
> (acSendNoObject) which is the default for the SendObject method.
>
> However EditMessage is boolean so IIRC it should read EditMessage:=False
>
> HTH
> John B.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:06 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
> >
> >
> > Hi Group, I only know how to do this, when there is an object
> to be sent,
> > how to do this when there is no object ?
> >
> >
> > Function SendEmail()
> >
> > DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject, _
> > To:="Oleg_123 at xuppa.com, _
> > Subject:="Database UpDates", _
> > MessageText:="There hasn't been any changes since last time", _
> > EditMessage:="No"
> >
> > End Function
> >
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> > Get Breaking News from CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS Now.
> > http://www.xuppa.com/news/?link=webmail
> >
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Nov  5 11:21:12 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:21:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312412@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00ac01c3a3c1$35dd3150$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Don't know.  I think it's more likely a network problem or, as the error
message says, an abnormal termination leaving the db open.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


> Is it possible one of your users opened the database in Word?  That will
> certainly cause the situation you've described, and in that case the
> database is well and truly hosed beyond recovery.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>
>
> I don't get an error message.  It just ponders for about a minute then
> Access terminates with no error message and I get to send a message to
> Microsoft if I want to (like dropping rocks into a deep pool).
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Greg Smith" <weeden1949 at hotmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>
>
> > Rocky:
> >
> > What kind of error do you get when you try to 'repair' the db?  The
> > following MS article told me the unfortunate news when I was getting
> > this type of error on a customer's db.  They had to restore from a
> > backup copy
> I
> > had (their tape backup wasn't working...go figure) and reenter all the
> data
> > since I'd made my copy.
> >
> > Look at:  KB158933 ACC: Error Message: <Database Name> Isn't an Index
> > in This Table
> >
> > If you're getting THAT one, you're hosed.
> >
> > Greg Smith
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:54 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed (A2K).
> > When you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs
> > to be repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access
> > try to
> repair
> > it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.
> >
> > I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't do
> > an import into a fresh database either.
> >
> > I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> >
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov  5 11:37:05 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:37:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
In-Reply-To: <00ac01c3a3c1$35dd3150$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
References:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312412@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
 <00ac01c3a3c1$35dd3150$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <10734874657.20031105183705@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

> Don't know.  I think it's more likely a network problem or, as the error
> message says, an abnormal termination leaving the db open.

An abnormal termination usually leaves the file repairable with little
or no data loss.

/gustav

PS: Why did you mark this subject OT?


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Nov  5 11:51:24 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:51:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
References: 	<E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312412@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
	<00ac01c3a3c1$35dd3150$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<10734874657.20031105183705@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00e201c3a3c5$6e2bb9b0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Then it must have been something else.  This db is well and truly hosed.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


> Hi Rocky
>
> > Don't know.  I think it's more likely a network problem or, as the error
> > message says, an abnormal termination leaving the db open.
>
> An abnormal termination usually leaves the file repairable with little
> or no data loss.
>
> /gustav
>
> PS: Why did you mark this subject OT?
>
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From JOHNWARDBELL at aol.com  Wed Nov  5 12:47:22 2003
From: JOHNWARDBELL at aol.com (JOHNWARDBELL at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:47:22 EST
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
Message-ID: <a1.4025be8b.2cda9fba@aol.com>

Rocky

Is your db using ODBC? if so there a repair facility in ODBC under User DSN 
in ODBC Access Setup. Have your looked in there?

WardB 

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Nov  5 13:07:25 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:07:25 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
References: <a1.4025be8b.2cda9fba@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00ee01c3a3d0$0cb10a40$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

John:

Can't get that far.  Wont open up at all. :(

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <JOHNWARDBELL at aol.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


> Rocky
>
> Is your db using ODBC? if so there a repair facility in ODBC under User
DSN
> in ODBC Access Setup. Have your looked in there?
>
> WardB
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Wed Nov  5 13:24:16 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:24:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8FC@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8FC@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <3FA94E60.1000709@verizon.net>

I like the MAPI solutions, but unfortunately I've run into systems that 
looked like they were set up correctly but would not function, in 
contrast BLAT hasn't let me down just yet.

-- 
-Francisco



Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) wrote:

>How about this?
>
>http://www.mvps.org/access/modules/mdl0019.htm
>
>
>
>Mark
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] 
>Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:16 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
>
>
>Will Shell work in your situation?
>
>
>
>Mark
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
>Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:06 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
>
>
>Hi Group, I only know how to do this, when there is an object to be sent,
>how to do this when there is no object ?
>
>
>Function SendEmail()
>
>DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject, _
>To:="Oleg_123 at xuppa.com, _
>Subject:="Database UpDates", _
>MessageText:="There hasn't been any changes since last time", _
>EditMessage:="No"
>
>End Function
>
>
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>  
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Nov  5 14:28:55 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 14:28:55 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C84F@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

How do you open a Word Document from a form?
 
I have an instruction guide in Word that I would like to access from a form
& have the Word document open Read Only. I tried a hyperlink, but could not
find the properties to open the document read-only. I know I could set the
document properties to read-only, but looking for a different way to open
and set the properties.
 
Virginia

From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Wed Nov  5 14:37:59 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:37:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJEEJJFEAA.john@winhaven.net>
References: <33417.12.3.132.98.1068044752.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
        <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJEEJJFEAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <37433.12.3.132.98.1068064679.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

thank you, now it works. (I was trying "no" and "false" in quotations)

> Oleg:
> It would appear from your code that you are not sending an object
> (acSendNoObject) which is the default for the SendObject method.
>
> However EditMessage is boolean so IIRC it should read EditMessage:=False
>
> HTH
> John B.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
>> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:06 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
>>
>>
>> Hi Group, I only know how to do this, when there is an object to be
>> sent, how to do this when there is no object ?
>>
>>
>> Function SendEmail()
>>
>> DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject, _
>> To:="Oleg_123 at xuppa.com, _
>> Subject:="Database UpDates", _
>> MessageText:="There hasn't been any changes since last time", _
>> EditMessage:="No"
>>
>> End Function
>>
>>
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Wed Nov  5 14:40:48 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:40:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C84F@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C84F@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <38712.12.3.132.98.1068064848.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Did you set a reference to Word Object Library ?

> How do you open a Word Document from a form?
>
> I have an instruction guide in Word that I would like to access from a
> form & have the Word document open Read Only. I tried a hyperlink, but
> could not find the properties to open the document read-only. I know I
> could set the document properties to read-only, but looking for a
> different way to open and set the properties.
>
> Virginia
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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Wed Nov  5 14:45:08 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:45:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
Message-ID: <sfa91b18.059@cbc.ca>

Here is some Quick & Dirty code:

dim objWord as Object

set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
objWord.visible = true

objWord.Documents.Open "C:\FullPath\to\DocToOpen.doc",,True

set objWord = Nothing

No references to the Word TypeLibrary are needed.

THe True in this line:
objWord.Documents.Open "C:\FullPath\to\DocToOpen.doc",,True

Tells Word to open the document as read only.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com 05-Nov-03 3:28:55 PM >>>
How do you open a Word Document from a form?
 
I have an instruction guide in Word that I would like to access from a
form
& have the Word document open Read Only. I tried a hyperlink, but could
not
find the properties to open the document read-only. I know I could set
the
document properties to read-only, but looking for a different way to
open
and set the properties.
 
Virginia

From mmmtbig at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov  5 15:00:40 2003
From: mmmtbig at bellsouth.net (Myke Myers)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:00:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!
Message-ID: <00b401c3a3df$e1826700$d401a8c0@tbig1>

One of my clients is corrupting an Access 2000 backend database about
once a month.
 
When I get the data file, I find several tables have lost their primary
key.
 
The primary key for each table is an autonumber long increment.
 
Anyone have any suggestions?
 
Myke
The Better Information Group
 
 

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov  5 15:07:41 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:07:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312414@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Explain what you mean by "lost their primary key".  Do you mean there is
no longer an identified primary key or the primary key field is null or
what?  What are you seeing instead of what you expected?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Myke Myers [mailto:mmmtbig at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!


One of my clients is corrupting an Access 2000 backend database about
once a month.
 
When I get the data file, I find several tables have lost their primary
key.
 
The primary key for each table is an autonumber long increment.
 
Anyone have any suggestions?
 
Myke
The Better Information Group
 
 
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Nov  5 15:09:24 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:09:24 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C850@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Perfect, thanks.

When you open a document in Word is there anyway to prevent it from asking
if you want to save changes? Why does it show the Save message when no
changes have been made - only opened the document? I have noticed Excel does
the same thing, always wanting to save changes.

Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:45 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open Word Document


Here is some Quick & Dirty code:

dim objWord as Object

set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
objWord.visible = true

objWord.Documents.Open "C:\FullPath\to\DocToOpen.doc",,True

set objWord = Nothing

No references to the Word TypeLibrary are needed.

THe True in this line:
objWord.Documents.Open "C:\FullPath\to\DocToOpen.doc",,True

Tells Word to open the document as read only.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com 05-Nov-03 3:28:55 PM >>>
How do you open a Word Document from a form?
 
I have an instruction guide in Word that I would like to access from a
form
& have the Word document open Read Only. I tried a hyperlink, but could
not
find the properties to open the document read-only. I know I could set
the
document properties to read-only, but looking for a different way to
open
and set the properties.
 
Virginia
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From mmmtbig at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov  5 15:27:40 2003
From: mmmtbig at bellsouth.net (Myke Myers)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:27:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312414@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00be01c3a3e3$a7540170$d401a8c0@tbig1>

The field no longer is designated as a primary key. (In design view the
key icon beside the field name is gone.)

Myke
 
The Better Information Group
770 928-7276
mailto: mmm at tbig.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!


Explain what you mean by "lost their primary key".  Do you mean there is
no longer an identified primary key or the primary key field is null or
what?  What are you seeing instead of what you expected?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Myke Myers [mailto:mmmtbig at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!


One of my clients is corrupting an Access 2000 backend database about
once a month.
 
When I get the data file, I find several tables have lost their primary
key.
 
The primary key for each table is an autonumber long increment.
 
Anyone have any suggestions?
 
Myke
The Better Information Group
 
 
_______________________________________________
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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov  5 15:48:29 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:48:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312415@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Are your users allowed access to the tables themselves?  The only time
I've seen anything like that was as part of the weirdness that goes with
the vbe6.dll problem when a 2002 app is installed on the machine running
O2k and O2k is less than SR-3.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Myke Myers [mailto:mmmtbig at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:28 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!


The field no longer is designated as a primary key. (In design view the
key icon beside the field name is gone.)

Myke
 
The Better Information Group
770 928-7276
mailto: mmm at tbig.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!


Explain what you mean by "lost their primary key".  Do you mean there is
no longer an identified primary key or the primary key field is null or
what?  What are you seeing instead of what you expected?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Myke Myers [mailto:mmmtbig at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!


One of my clients is corrupting an Access 2000 backend database about
once a month.
 
When I get the data file, I find several tables have lost their primary
key.
 
The primary key for each table is an autonumber long increment.
 
Anyone have any suggestions?
 
Myke
The Better Information Group
 
 
_______________________________________________
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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From mmmtbig at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov  5 16:05:41 2003
From: mmmtbig at bellsouth.net (Myke Myers)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:05:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312415@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00e401c3a3e8$f69f21b0$d401a8c0@tbig1>

Charlotte

No, users can't get to anything but forms and reports. But there are
some guys in the IT dept who may have enough knowledge to be dangerous. 

I'll look into the vbe6.dll / Access 2002 issue. 

Thanks,

Myke
 
The Better Information Group


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!


Are your users allowed access to the tables themselves?  The only time
I've seen anything like that was as part of the weirdness that goes with
the vbe6.dll problem when a 2002 app is installed on the machine running
O2k and O2k is less than SR-3.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Myke Myers [mailto:mmmtbig at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:28 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!


The field no longer is designated as a primary key. (In design view the
key icon beside the field name is gone.)

Myke
 
The Better Information Group
770 928-7276
mailto: mmm at tbig.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!


Explain what you mean by "lost their primary key".  Do you mean there is
no longer an identified primary key or the primary key field is null or
what?  What are you seeing instead of what you expected?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Myke Myers [mailto:mmmtbig at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!


One of my clients is corrupting an Access 2000 backend database about
once a month.
 
When I get the data file, I find several tables have lost their primary
key.
 
The primary key for each table is an autonumber long increment.
 
Anyone have any suggestions?
 
Myke
The Better Information Group
 
 
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


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From chizotz at charter.net  Wed Nov  5 16:07:34 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:07:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C850@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <web-9284835@rems03.cluster1.charter.net>

Virginia,

It is wanting to save because the last opened date has 
changed, so it sees the document as having been changed. 
Annoying, huh?

I just save the document (I done this with Excel, never 
had to do it in Word so far) and let it update that date, 
making the process invisible to the user. Unless there's a 
reason not to do this, you can just bypass the issue that 
way.

Ron


On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:09:24 -0600
  "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com> wrote:
>Perfect, thanks.
>
>When you open a document in Word is there anyway to 
>prevent it from asking
>if you want to save changes? Why does it show the Save 
>message when no
>changes have been made - only opened the document? I have 
>noticed Excel does
>the same thing, always wanting to save changes.
>
>Va.

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Nov  5 16:17:34 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:17:34 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C850@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c3a3ea$9d3755f0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Hi Virginia

With the Word libray referencec it's

objWord.Close wdDoNotSaveChanges

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: 05 November 2003 21:09
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> 
> 
> Perfect, thanks.
> 
> When you open a document in Word is there anyway to prevent 
> it from asking if you want to save changes? Why does it show 
> the Save message when no changes have been made - only opened 
> the document? I have noticed Excel does the same thing, 
> always wanting to save changes.
> 
> Va.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:45 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> 
> 
> Here is some Quick & Dirty code:
> 
> dim objWord as Object
> 
> set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
> objWord.visible = true
> 
> objWord.Documents.Open "C:\FullPath\to\DocToOpen.doc",,True
> 
> set objWord = Nothing
> 
> No references to the Word TypeLibrary are needed.
> 
> THe True in this line:
> objWord.Documents.Open "C:\FullPath\to\DocToOpen.doc",,True
> 
> Tells Word to open the document as read only.
> 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca
> 
> >>> HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com 05-Nov-03 3:28:55 PM >>>
> How do you open a Word Document from a form?
>  
> I have an instruction guide in Word that I would like to 
> access from a form & have the Word document open Read Only. I 
> tried a hyperlink, but could not find the properties to open 
> the document read-only. I know I could set the document 
> properties to read-only, but looking for a different way to 
> open and set the properties.
>  
> Virginia
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Nov  5 17:19:00 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 18:19:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C850@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <3FA93F14.4103.C3FD6@localhost>

On 5 Nov 2003 at 15:09, Hollis,Virginia wrote:

> Perfect, thanks.

You're welcome.

> When you open a document in Word is there anyway to prevent it from
> asking if you want to save changes? Why does it show the Save message
> when no changes have been made - only opened the document? I have

Does the doc have any fields in it? Like a date field, a page number 
field...?

If so, chances are that the fields are updated when you open the doc, 
which is a change, even if the fields aren't changed. I know it's 
bizare. And that is triggering the save prompt.

> noticed Excel does the same thing, always wanting to save changes.

Probably the same reason.

If you are closing the doc using code, then use what Andy posted. If 
the user is just closing Word, or the doc manually, then no. Or at 
least, not without getting rid of the fields.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Only the mediocre are at their best all the time.



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Nov  5 17:20:43 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 18:20:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
In-Reply-To: <003c01c3a3ea$9d3755f0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C850@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <3FA93F7B.13970.DD330@localhost>

On 5 Nov 2003 at 22:17, Andy Lacey wrote:

> Hi Virginia
> 
> With the Word libray referencec it's
> 
> objWord.Close wdDoNotSaveChanges

Otherwise it's:

objWord.Close 0

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
A feature is a bug with seniority.



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Nov  5 17:20:43 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 18:20:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
In-Reply-To: <web-9284835@rems03.cluster1.charter.net>
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C850@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <3FA93F7B.11709.DD39E@localhost>

On 5 Nov 2003 at 17:07, Ron  Allen wrote:

> It is wanting to save because the last opened date has 
> changed, so it sees the document as having been changed. 
> Annoying, huh?

Nope. I don't think that this is the reason. I open and close Word 
docs all day long and only have the Save prompt show up when I 
actually change the doc or there are fields in the doc that get 
updated, and I have Word set to update all fields when it opens and 
prints.

Docs without fields don't have the prompt for me.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to 
build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe 
producing bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. -
 Mark Mischler.



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Nov  5 17:21:51 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 18:21:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
In-Reply-To: <3FA93F14.4103.C3FD6@localhost>
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C850@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <3FA93FBF.29252.EDBC0@localhost>

On 5 Nov 2003 at 18:19, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> > When you open a document in Word is there anyway to prevent it from
> > asking if you want to save changes? Why does it show the Save
> > message when no changes have been made - only opened the document? I
> > have
> 
> Does the doc have any fields in it? Like a date field, a page number
> field...?

It just occurred to me, are there any linked images in the doc? They 
are fields as well.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
The man who claims to be the boss in his own home will lie about 
other things as well.



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Nov  5 19:05:08 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:05:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
In-Reply-To: <00ac01c3a3c1$35dd3150$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEHKCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Rocky:

Now that you have mentioned a possible network connection I have ran across
a couple of similar incidents over a few years. The problems were always,
with 'bound' FEs, spawned by a flaky network card, in one situation and a
enthusiastic network tech who had the server auto-reboot over-night with no
open-file checking, in another. I just kept trying to open the DBs and
finally both did and then I immediately saved everything to a new/clean db.
Save all in one case and only lost two weeks of data in the other. I have
never used a bound application, with over five users since. That is a good
rule of thumb but some developers state the cut-off can be as high as ten
users.

I know of a programmer who has had limited success hacking out lost data and
code with an assembler but I imagine the cost would be prohibitive unless
there is absolutely no backup.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


Don't know.  I think it's more likely a network problem or, as the error
message says, an abnormal termination leaving the db open.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


> Is it possible one of your users opened the database in Word?  That will
> certainly cause the situation you've described, and in that case the
> database is well and truly hosed beyond recovery.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>
>
> I don't get an error message.  It just ponders for about a minute then
> Access terminates with no error message and I get to send a message to
> Microsoft if I want to (like dropping rocks into a deep pool).
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Smith" <weeden1949 at hotmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>
>
> > Rocky:
> >
> > What kind of error do you get when you try to 'repair' the db?  The
> > following MS article told me the unfortunate news when I was getting
> > this type of error on a customer's db.  They had to restore from a
> > backup copy
> I
> > had (their tape backup wasn't working...go figure) and reenter all the
> data
> > since I'd made my copy.
> >
> > Look at:  KB158933 ACC: Error Message: <Database Name> Isn't an Index
> > in This Table
> >
> > If you're getting THAT one, you're hosed.
> >
> > Greg Smith
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:54 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed (A2K).
> > When you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs
> > to be repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access
> > try to
> repair
> > it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.
> >
> > I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't do
> > an import into a fresh database either.
> >
> > I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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>

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov  5 19:26:41 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:26:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEHKCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEHIFJAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Jim,

I have a client with ~30 users in the database (bound forms) from 8-5 daily
and have not had a single corruption in coming up on a year now.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


Hi Rocky:

Now that you have mentioned a possible network connection I have ran across
a couple of similar incidents over a few years. The problems were always,
with 'bound' FEs, spawned by a flaky network card, in one situation and a
enthusiastic network tech who had the server auto-reboot over-night with no
open-file checking, in another. I just kept trying to open the DBs and
finally both did and then I immediately saved everything to a new/clean db.
Save all in one case and only lost two weeks of data in the other. I have
never used a bound application, with over five users since. That is a good
rule of thumb but some developers state the cut-off can be as high as ten
users.

I know of a programmer who has had limited success hacking out lost data and
code with an assembler but I imagine the cost would be prohibitive unless
there is absolutely no backup.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


Don't know.  I think it's more likely a network problem or, as the error
message says, an abnormal termination leaving the db open.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


> Is it possible one of your users opened the database in Word?  That will
> certainly cause the situation you've described, and in that case the
> database is well and truly hosed beyond recovery.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>
>
> I don't get an error message.  It just ponders for about a minute then
> Access terminates with no error message and I get to send a message to
> Microsoft if I want to (like dropping rocks into a deep pool).
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Smith" <weeden1949 at hotmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>
>
> > Rocky:
> >
> > What kind of error do you get when you try to 'repair' the db?  The
> > following MS article told me the unfortunate news when I was getting
> > this type of error on a customer's db.  They had to restore from a
> > backup copy
> I
> > had (their tape backup wasn't working...go figure) and reenter all the
> data
> > since I'd made my copy.
> >
> > Look at:  KB158933 ACC: Error Message: <Database Name> Isn't an Index
> > in This Table
> >
> > If you're getting THAT one, you're hosed.
> >
> > Greg Smith
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:54 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed (A2K).
> > When you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs
> > to be repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access
> > try to
> repair
> > it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.
> >
> > I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't do
> > an import into a fresh database either.
> >
> > I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov  5 19:54:28 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 11:54:28 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEHIFJAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEHKCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <3FAA3674.31878.59939EC@localhost>

On 5 Nov 2003 at 20:26, John Colby wrote:

> Jim,
> 
> I have a client with ~30 users in the database (bound forms) from 8-5 daily
> and have not had a single corruption in coming up on a year now.
> 

Me too!   (For a couple of years now)
<VBG>

Apart from that one, I have several others which regularly have ~10 users 
in them all day with no sign of corruption yet.








-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From access at tlcbc.com.au  Wed Nov  5 20:02:58 2003
From: access at tlcbc.com.au (access at tlcbc.com.au)
Date: Thu,  6 Nov 2003 15:02:58 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
Message-ID: <1068084178.3fa9abd2322e1@210.55.105.82>


Hi!

I have just found this list so apologies if this question has been asked before 
(couldn't see it in the archives).

We have a database that is stored on a shared network drive with the data 
itself in an SQL Server backend.  For security reasons the majority of users 
have read-only access to the network drive where the database is stored.  With 
Access 97 this worked fine but the database has recently been upgraded to 
Access 2000 and now the users receive a message when they open the database 
stating that it is read-only so they won't be able to save their changes (which 
is incorrect as, of course, the updates are done on the SQL server which they 
do have write access to).  Not a major problem but very annoying and confusing 
for the users.

Does anyone know how to disable this error message under Access 2000?

Thanks,
Terry Bradford
(Canberra, Australia)



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov  5 20:14:59 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:14:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631241A@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Design changes (like the paper size of a report) are handled in Access,
not in SQL Server.  Access 2000 and later do NOT allow users to make
design changes to objects unless they have exclusive access to the
database.  Since your database is being shared,  that would only be
possible if a single user was in the database.  Also, read-only access
to that folder won't work because the users need to be able to create
and/or write to the ldb file for the shared front end and to delete it
when the last person exits.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: access at tlcbc.com.au [mailto:access at tlcbc.com.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database



Hi!

I have just found this list so apologies if this question has been asked
before 
(couldn't see it in the archives).

We have a database that is stored on a shared network drive with the
data 
itself in an SQL Server backend.  For security reasons the majority of
users 
have read-only access to the network drive where the database is stored.
With 
Access 97 this worked fine but the database has recently been upgraded
to 
Access 2000 and now the users receive a message when they open the
database 
stating that it is read-only so they won't be able to save their changes
(which 
is incorrect as, of course, the updates are done on the SQL server which
they 
do have write access to).  Not a major problem but very annoying and
confusing 
for the users.

Does anyone know how to disable this error message under Access 2000?

Thanks,
Terry Bradford
(Canberra, Australia)


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov  5 20:20:52 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:20:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631241A@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEHMFJAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Although according to Gustav I think it was, running it under "run time"
will prevent the error from showing.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database


Design changes (like the paper size of a report) are handled in Access,
not in SQL Server.  Access 2000 and later do NOT allow users to make
design changes to objects unless they have exclusive access to the
database.  Since your database is being shared,  that would only be
possible if a single user was in the database.  Also, read-only access
to that folder won't work because the users need to be able to create
and/or write to the ldb file for the shared front end and to delete it
when the last person exits.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: access at tlcbc.com.au [mailto:access at tlcbc.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database



Hi!

I have just found this list so apologies if this question has been asked
before
(couldn't see it in the archives).

We have a database that is stored on a shared network drive with the
data
itself in an SQL Server backend.  For security reasons the majority of
users
have read-only access to the network drive where the database is stored.
With
Access 97 this worked fine but the database has recently been upgraded
to
Access 2000 and now the users receive a message when they open the
database
stating that it is read-only so they won't be able to save their changes
(which
is incorrect as, of course, the updates are done on the SQL server which
they
do have write access to).  Not a major problem but very annoying and
confusing
for the users.

Does anyone know how to disable this error message under Access 2000?

Thanks,
Terry Bradford
(Canberra, Australia)


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Nov  5 21:32:13 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 19:32:13 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
In-Reply-To: <3FAA3674.31878.59939EC@localhost>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKEHLCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi John and Stuart:

Not trying to re-kindle the bound/unbound debate but as most of my contracts
are with the local provincial government and they have a specific rule. All
databases with greater than ten users must be build on SQL technology. That
technology extends to Oracle and sometime MS SQL and unbound forms.
Therefore, I have little opportunity experiment with Access environments
with a large user base. The closest I came to a significant bound Access
database was a private client with just under twenty users but they moved
their server to Linux and subsequently a MySQL BE.

Maybe all these concerns with larger Access bound form applications, are
part of a local urban legend, or Database companies and DBAs who wish to
promote the myth to their own end but I for one have not had great memories
with a couple of applications. Once burned...twice shy.

My two cents worth
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 5:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


On 5 Nov 2003 at 20:26, John Colby wrote:

> Jim,
>
> I have a client with ~30 users in the database (bound forms) from 8-5
daily
> and have not had a single corruption in coming up on a year now.
>

Me too!   (For a couple of years now)
<VBG>

Apart from that one, I have several others which regularly have ~10 users
in them all day with no sign of corruption yet.








--
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg

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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Nov  5 23:00:10 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:00:10 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Testing for NULLS in a Query
Message-ID: <00f101c3a422$dba47f60$3c619a89@DDICK>

Hello all
I have a Table that holds a swag of various ID's called tblResults
Many fields but of interest here is...
StudentID, AwardID, CourseID, SubjectID, AssessmentID all Numbers (Long Int)

I perform an append query if the one of the ID's is missing 
(using IS NULL in the criteria as per the find Unmatched Query Wizard)

So I have a student (StudentID = 2 ) who does as assessment (AssessmentID = 55)

Quite simply if there is no occurence of the Assessment ID 55 (ie Is null in the Criteria of the Append Query)
Excellent then the Append query sparks up and all is well.

Small snag though. Many students may sit assessment no 55.  So there may be no occurence of AssessmentID 55
for student no 2 but there may be an occurence of it for say...Student Number 1 or others

As a result the Is Null Criteria is false and doesn't spark the append query Because there IS an assessment 55 in the 
Results Table only it belongs to Student no 1 not student no 2

How do I test for Null in 2 fields in order to spark up the append query.
IE there may be an AssesmentID of 55 in the table but for Student ID 1 
So...
How do I test for Is Null Assessment ID 55 AND isNull student ID2
I have discovered it is not as simple as putting Is Null in the Critera for Assessment ID and Is Null for Criteria For Student ID
I have also tried  IsNull([tblResults]![AssesmentID]) And IsNull([tblResults]![StudentID]) no joy

Many thanks in advance


Darren





From rgilimited at btconnect.com  Thu Nov  6 02:52:29 2003
From: rgilimited at btconnect.com (Robin Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:52:29 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Testing for NULLS in a Query
In-Reply-To: <00f101c3a422$dba47f60$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <000001c3a443$4fe0ea10$5373a8c0@local>

Darren,
Have you tried
IsNull([tblResults]![AssesmentID]) OR IsNull([tblResults]![StudentID]) 

Or move the second criteria to the second row of the query grid

Rgds
Robin Lawrence

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: 06 November 2003 05:00
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Testing for NULLS in a Query


Hello all
I have a Table that holds a swag of various ID's called tblResults
Many fields but of interest here is...
StudentID, AwardID, CourseID, SubjectID, AssessmentID all Numbers (Long
Int)

I perform an append query if the one of the ID's is missing 
(using IS NULL in the criteria as per the find Unmatched Query Wizard)

So I have a student (StudentID = 2 ) who does as assessment
(AssessmentID = 55)

Quite simply if there is no occurence of the Assessment ID 55 (ie Is
null in the Criteria of the Append Query)
Excellent then the Append query sparks up and all is well.

Small snag though. Many students may sit assessment no 55.  So there may
be no occurence of AssessmentID 55
for student no 2 but there may be an occurence of it for say...Student
Number 1 or others

As a result the Is Null Criteria is false and doesn't spark the append
query Because there IS an assessment 55 in the 
Results Table only it belongs to Student no 1 not student no 2

How do I test for Null in 2 fields in order to spark up the append
query.
IE there may be an AssesmentID of 55 in the table but for Student ID 1 
So...
How do I test for Is Null Assessment ID 55 AND isNull student ID2
I have discovered it is not as simple as putting Is Null in the Critera
for Assessment ID and Is Null for Criteria For Student ID
I have also tried  IsNull([tblResults]![AssesmentID]) And
IsNull([tblResults]![StudentID]) no joy

Many thanks in advance


Darren




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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov  6 03:08:56 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:08:56 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
In-Reply-To: <1068084178.3fa9abd2322e1@210.55.105.82>
References: <1068084178.3fa9abd2322e1@210.55.105.82>
Message-ID: <1593911554.20031106100856@cactus.dk>

Hi Terry - and welcome to the list!

Adding to the comments of Charlotte and John, I find it strange that
you didn't receive this message when opening the Access 97 database -
unless you ran that as a runtime? If so that should work for Access
2000 as well.
And, as Charlotte states, the changes that will not be save are design
changes not the data.

Another option could be to convert the database to an mde but other
listers may chime in here as I have never had the need for an mde
running other than for some tests.

/gustav


> I have just found this list so apologies if this question has been asked before
> (couldn't see it in the archives).

> We have a database that is stored on a shared network drive with the data 
> itself in an SQL Server backend.  For security reasons the majority of users 
> have read-only access to the network drive where the database is stored.  With 
> Access 97 this worked fine but the database has recently been upgraded to 
> Access 2000 and now the users receive a message when they open the database 
> stating that it is read-only so they won't be able to save their changes (which 
> is incorrect as, of course, the updates are done on the SQL server which they 
> do have write access to).  Not a major problem but very annoying and confusing 
> for the users.

> Does anyone know how to disable this error message under Access 2000?

> Thanks,
> Terry Bradford
> (Canberra, Australia)


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Nov  6 03:43:30 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:43:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF7210@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Strange, 

I was just gooing to ask a simular question.
I wanted to know if I can trap this error?

I run an MDB (must be an MDB because I change programaticaly some report
properties) every 5 minutes (24x7) with the task scheduler. I find this
technique more stable than leaving the MDB 24x7 open.
Sometimes when the file is backupped or copied at the same moment I get
this read-only message.
The whole folder is backupped about 6 times a day so I do have this
regulary.

But this stays on my server until I click on it. Thus preventing to run
the app next time.

Can I trap this error and just exit if read-only?

Erwin



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database


Hi Terry - and welcome to the list!

Adding to the comments of Charlotte and John, I find it strange that you
didn't receive this message when opening the Access 97 database - unless
you ran that as a runtime? If so that should work for Access 2000 as
well. And, as Charlotte states, the changes that will not be save are
design changes not the data.

Another option could be to convert the database to an mde but other
listers may chime in here as I have never had the need for an mde
running other than for some tests.

/gustav


> I have just found this list so apologies if this question has been 
> asked before (couldn't see it in the archives).

> We have a database that is stored on a shared network drive with the 
> data
> itself in an SQL Server backend.  For security reasons the majority of
users 
> have read-only access to the network drive where the database is
stored.  With 
> Access 97 this worked fine but the database has recently been upgraded
to 
> Access 2000 and now the users receive a message when they open the
database 
> stating that it is read-only so they won't be able to save their
changes (which 
> is incorrect as, of course, the updates are done on the SQL server
which they 
> do have write access to).  Not a major problem but very annoying and
confusing 
> for the users.

> Does anyone know how to disable this error message under Access 2000?

> Thanks,
> Terry Bradford
> (Canberra, Australia)

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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Thu Nov  6 03:59:01 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:59:01 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF7210@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <000001c3a44c$9b400640$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>


Not an expert on the error, but I suspect access gives you that error before
passing control to the database file.  You should be able to test for it by
putting a msgbox as the first action and then setting up the circumstances to
cause the error.  See which somes first ... The read only error or the message
box.

Not sure how complex your db is but one option would be to use a separate mdb to
do the report changes, and programatically manipulate the target mdb directly
via automation.  Then you can can trap the read only state by testing for
exclusive access.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
> Sent: Thursday, 06 November, 2003 5:44 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
>
>
> Strange,
>
> I was just gooing to ask a simular question.
> I wanted to know if I can trap this error?
>
> I run an MDB (must be an MDB because I change programaticaly
> some report
> properties) every 5 minutes (24x7) with the task scheduler. I
> find this
> technique more stable than leaving the MDB 24x7 open.
> Sometimes when the file is backupped or copied at the same
> moment I get
> this read-only message.
> The whole folder is backupped about 6 times a day so I do have this
> regulary.
>
> But this stays on my server until I click on it. Thus
> preventing to run
> the app next time.
>
> Can I trap this error and just exit if read-only?
>
> Erwin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Gustav Brock
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
>
>
> Hi Terry - and welcome to the list!
>
> Adding to the comments of Charlotte and John, I find it
> strange that you
> didn't receive this message when opening the Access 97
> database - unless
> you ran that as a runtime? If so that should work for Access 2000 as
> well. And, as Charlotte states, the changes that will not be save are
> design changes not the data.
>
> Another option could be to convert the database to an mde but other
> listers may chime in here as I have never had the need for an mde
> running other than for some tests.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > I have just found this list so apologies if this question has been
> > asked before (couldn't see it in the archives).
>
> > We have a database that is stored on a shared network drive
> with the
> > data
> > itself in an SQL Server backend.  For security reasons the
> majority of
> users
> > have read-only access to the network drive where the database is
> stored.  With
> > Access 97 this worked fine but the database has recently
> been upgraded
> to
> > Access 2000 and now the users receive a message when they open the
> database
> > stating that it is read-only so they won't be able to save their
> changes (which
> > is incorrect as, of course, the updates are done on the SQL server
> which they
> > do have write access to).  Not a major problem but very annoying and
> confusing
> > for the users.
>
> > Does anyone know how to disable this error message under
> Access 2000?
>
> > Thanks,
> > Terry Bradford
> > (Canberra, Australia)
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov  6 04:03:11 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:03:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF7210@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF7210@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <447166304.20031106110311@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

But if you need to make design changes, how would you do that when the
file is read-only?
And why do you need to backup the frontend six times a day?

/gustav


> Strange, 

> I was just gooing to ask a simular question.
> I wanted to know if I can trap this error?

> I run an MDB (must be an MDB because I change programaticaly some report
> properties) every 5 minutes (24x7) with the task scheduler. I find this
> technique more stable than leaving the MDB 24x7 open.
> Sometimes when the file is backupped or copied at the same moment I get
> this read-only message.
> The whole folder is backupped about 6 times a day so I do have this
> regulary.

> But this stays on my server until I click on it. Thus preventing to run
> the app next time.

> Can I trap this error and just exit if read-only?

> Erwin



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database


> Hi Terry - and welcome to the list!

> Adding to the comments of Charlotte and John, I find it strange that you
> didn't receive this message when opening the Access 97 database - unless
> you ran that as a runtime? If so that should work for Access 2000 as
> well. And, as Charlotte states, the changes that will not be save are
> design changes not the data.

> Another option could be to convert the database to an mde but other
> listers may chime in here as I have never had the need for an mde
> running other than for some tests.


From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Nov  6 12:24:51 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 12:24:51 (MET)
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
Message-ID: <200311061124.hA6BOpEU013511@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hello Group,

i can't seem to let this query work. Why?

Pedro Janssen


SELECT
iif([Code]='501',[Telling]*1),iif([Code]='503',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='507',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='506',[Telling]*0,67),iif([Code]='502',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]='522',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]='542',[Telling]*0,2),iif([Code]='500',[Telling]*0) AS Resultaat_Telling
FROM TellingCode;

From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu Nov  6 05:32:28 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:32:28 -0000 
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C66CA@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

What error does it give you Pedro?

I would normally use a nested Iif statement rather than a list of separate
statements, e.g. 

SELECT
iif([Code]='501',[Telling]*1,iif([Code]='503',[Telling]*2,iif([Code]='507',[
Telling]*2,iif([Code]='506',[Telling]*0,67,iif([Code]='502',[Telling]*0,4,ii
f([Code]='522',[Telling]*0,4,iif([Code]='542',[Telling]*0,2,iif([Code]='500'
,[Telling]*0)))))))) AS Resultaat_Telling FROM TellingCode;

...but I don't know if that's the only way to do it.

-----Original Message-----
From: pedro at plex.nl [mailto:pedro at plex.nl] 
Sent: 06 November 2003 12:25
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?


Hello Group,

i can't seem to let this query work. Why?

Pedro Janssen


SELECT
iif([Code]='501',[Telling]*1),iif([Code]='503',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='507'
,[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='506',[Telling]*0,67),iif([Code]='502',[Telling]*0,
4),iif([Code]='522',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]='542',[Telling]*0,2),iif([Code
]='500',[Telling]*0) AS Resultaat_Telling FROM TellingCode;
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov  6 05:31:33 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:31:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
In-Reply-To: <200311061124.hA6BOpEU013511@mailhostC.plex.net>
References: <200311061124.hA6BOpEU013511@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <2512469179.20031106123133@cactus.dk>

Hi Pedro

It should probably read:

iif([Code]='501',[Telling]*1,iif([Code]='503',[Telling]*2,iif([Code]='507',[Telling]*2,iif([Code]='506',[Telling]*0,67,iif([Code]='502',[Telling]*0,4,iif([Code]='522',[Telling]*0,4,iif([Code]='542',[Telling]*0,2,iif([Code]='500',[Telling]*0,0))))))))

/gustav

> i can't seem to let this query work. Why?

> Pedro Janssen


> SELECT
> iif([Code]='501',[Telling]*1),iif([Code]='503',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='507',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='506',[Telling]*0,67),iif([Code]='502',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]='522',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]='542',[Telling]*0,2),iif([Code]='500',[Telling]*0)
> AS Resultaat_Telling
> FROM TellingCode;


From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Nov  6 06:00:30 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 06:00:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C85C@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Yes, the document has Page number fields & links to documents on the
Intranet. The Word file is opening Read-only.

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 5:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document


On 5 Nov 2003 at 18:19, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> > When you open a document in Word is there anyway to prevent it from
> > asking if you want to save changes? Why does it show the Save
> > message when no changes have been made - only opened the document? I
> > have
> 
> Does the doc have any fields in it? Like a date field, a page number
> field...?

It just occurred to me, are there any linked images in the doc? They 
are fields as well.

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From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 06:04:44 2003
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 04:04:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Access and HTML
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C66CA@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20031106120444.4692.qmail@web9807.mail.yahoo.com>


Good Morning,

 

I am trying to create an HTML page in access 2003.  The creation go ok but when I display the page I get 2 warnings:  

The Website uses a data provider that may be unsafe.  If you trust the wesite, click OK, otherwise click Cancel.

If I click ok then I get:

The website is using your identity to access a data source.  If you trust the website click OK to  continue, otherwise click Cancel.

 

Does anyone know what I need to do to have these message not show up.

 

Thanks in Advance!

Dale


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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Nov  6 06:24:57 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu,  6 Nov 2003 13:24:57 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Access Traffic Query
Message-ID: <15641174.1068121497477.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>

To all,
We have a Win2000 Server network with Office XP Professional using Access XP, we don't have a front-end or back-end to this system (I inherited it, lucky me).  So everyone has a shortcut to the .mdb on the Server, when a query is run on the .mdb is it the Server that will do the processing or the desktop unit of the user ?
Anybody know how it actually works, cause I may have to modify the Aplication.
Paul

From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Nov  6 07:02:44 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:02:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Access Traffic Query
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30688462@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAFC4@ADGSERVER>

To the best of my knowledge, the processing is done on the desktop.  That is
why MSDE or SQL server gives such a performance boost.

HTH,
Bobby

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
paul.hartland at fsmail.net
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:25 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] OT Access Traffic Query


To all,
We have a Win2000 Server network with Office XP Professional using Access
XP, we don't have a front-end or back-end to this system (I inherited it,
lucky me).  So everyone has a shortcut to the .mdb on the Server, when a
query is run on the .mdb is it the Server that will do the processing or the
desktop unit of the user ? Anybody know how it actually works, cause I may
have to modify the Aplication. Paul
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From JHewson at karta.com  Thu Nov  6 07:13:50 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 07:13:50 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
Message-ID: <4AE733BBEEE72647A9F950F7275F262E112560@nt04.karta.com>


I believe the commas are messing this up.
Access is looking at the commas and determining the False Part wrong.
eg: ...iif([code]='506', [Telling]*0.67, iif...
a comma between 0 and 67 Access thinks 67 is the false part.
One question I have, is why the single quote marks around numbers?  I
normally don't use them.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] why isn't this working?


Hi Pedro

It should probably read:

iif([Code]='501',[Telling]*1,iif([Code]='503',[Telling]*2,iif([Code]='507',[
Telling]*2,iif([Code]='506',[Telling]*0,67,iif([Code]='502',[Telling]*0,4,ii
f([Code]='522',[Telling]*0,4,iif([Code]='542',[Telling]*0,2,iif([Code]='500'
,[Telling]*0,0))))))))

/gustav

> i can't seem to let this query work. Why?

> Pedro Janssen


> SELECT
>
iif([Code]='501',[Telling]*1),iif([Code]='503',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='507'
,[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='506',[Telling]*0,67),iif([Code]='502',[Telling]*0,
4),iif([Code]='522',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]='542',[Telling]*0,2),iif([Code
]='500',[Telling]*0)
> AS Resultaat_Telling
> FROM TellingCode;

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov  6 07:28:07 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 23:28:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT Access Traffic Query
In-Reply-To: <15641174.1068121497477.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>
Message-ID: <3FAAD907.13187.768AC@localhost>

On 6 Nov 2003 at 13:24, paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:

> To all, We have a Win2000 Server network with Office XP Professional
> using Access XP, we don't have a front-end or back-end to this system
> (I inherited it, lucky me).  So everyone has a shortcut to the .mdb on
> the Server, when a query is run on the .mdb is it the Server that will
> do the processing or the desktop unit of the user ? Anybody know how it
> actually works, cause I may have to modify the Aplication. Paul 

The  desktop does all the processing.

It is behaving exactly it would if the application was on a local 
disk (only it takes longer to pull everything over the network than 
it would from a local drive).   
-- 
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http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov  6 07:33:20 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 23:33:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
In-Reply-To: <200311061124.hA6BOpEU013511@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <3FAADA40.26871.C30F8@localhost>

On 6 Nov 2003 at 12:24, pedro at plex.nl wrote:

> Hello Group,
> 
> i can't seem to let this query work. Why?
> 
> Pedro Janssen
> 
> 
> SELECT
> iif([Code]='501',[Telling]*1),iif([Code]='503',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]=
> '507',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='506',[Telling]*0,67),iif([Code]='502',[T
> elling]*0,4),iif([Code]='522',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]='542',[Telling]
> *0,2),iif([Code]='500',[Telling]*0) AS Resultaat_Telling FROM
> TellingCode; 

All the closing brackets are in the wrong places, They should be at 
the end of the last iif().

i.e. It should be something like:

IIF(a,z,IIF(b,y,IIF(c,x,IIF(d,w,v))))



 
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Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Thu Nov  6 07:52:02 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 08:52:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
Message-ID: <sfaa0bbc.051@cbc.ca>

I would suspect that the Page Number field is being updated in the
background, which is causing the Save Dialog to appear when you close
it.

Opening it read only won't have any effect on having the Save dialog
showing up. All opening it Read Only will do is prevent the user from
saving any modifications over the original file.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com 06-Nov-03 7:00:30 AM >>>
Yes, the document has Page number fields & links to documents on the
Intranet. The Word file is opening Read-only.

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 5:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document


On 5 Nov 2003 at 18:19, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> > When you open a document in Word is there anyway to prevent it
from
> > asking if you want to save changes? Why does it show the Save
> > message when no changes have been made - only opened the document?
I
> > have
> 
> Does the doc have any fields in it? Like a date field, a page number
> field...?

It just occurred to me, are there any linked images in the doc? They 
are fields as well.


From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Thu Nov  6 09:10:52 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:10:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
Message-ID: <OFD7F6E89E.20C6FBC5-ON86256DD6.005346BD-86256DD6.00536450@nc.us.bank-dns.com>


Why don't you create a custom function for this using Select Case or If
Then statements?


                                                                                                                                 
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Hello Group,

i can't seem to let this query work. Why?

Pedro Janssen


SELECT
iif([Code]='501',[Telling]*1),iif([Code]='503',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]
='507',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='506',[Telling]*0,67),iif([Code]
='502',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]='522',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]
='542',[Telling]*0,2),iif([Code]='500',[Telling]*0) AS Resultaat_Telling
FROM TellingCode;
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Nov  6 09:28:19 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 09:28:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel Increment Date
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C860@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Sorry for the OT and definitely change of subject to Excel.
 
I need to increment a date in Excel, if anyone can help please contact me
off-list.
 
Virginia
hollisvj at pgdp.usec.com <mailto:hollisvj at pgdp.usec.com> 

From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Thu Nov  6 09:35:29 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:35:29 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
Message-ID: <OFF4AD854B.7D554C5B-ON86256DD6.0054E3B5-86256DD6.0055A512@nc.us.bank-dns.com>


The function would probably look something like this:

Function MyExample (mycode, mytelling)  as Double
     Dim mymultipler as double
     Select Case mycode
          Case 501
               mymultipler = 1
          Case 503
               mymultipler = 2
          Case 507
               mymultipler = 2
          Case 506
               mymultipler = .67
          Case 502
               mymultipler = .4
          Case 522
               mymultipler = .4
          Case 542
               mymultipler = .2
          Case 500
               mymultipler = 0
     End Select

     MyExample = mytelling * myultipler

End Function

The next step would be to use it in your query something like the
following:
MyExample([Code], [Telling]) AS Resultaat_Telling FROM TellingCode;


                                                                                                                                 
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Why don't you create a custom function for this using Select Case or If
Then statements?



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Hello Group,

i can't seem to let this query work. Why?

Pedro Janssen


SELECT
iif([Code]='501',[Telling]*1),iif([Code]='503',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]
='507',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='506',[Telling]*0,67),iif([Code]
='502',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]='522',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]
='542',[Telling]*0,2),iif([Code]='500',[Telling]*0) AS Resultaat_Telling
FROM TellingCode;
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Nov  6 09:40:29 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu,  6 Nov 2003 16:40:29 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query
Message-ID: <12773941.1068133229930.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>

To all,
I have a query named qryUnionAvailabilityTables, is there anyway I can find out any other Query that uses aryUnionAvailabilityTables without going and looking at everyone of them, i.e. some code to loop through all the queries I have looking for this etc.
I would look manually but we have over 250 queries in our main database.
Thanks for any help in advance.......
Paul Hartland

From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Nov  6 09:43:45 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu,  6 Nov 2003 16:43:45 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Access Traffic Query
Message-ID: <29635982.1068133425299.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>

Thanks for all your help




Message date : Nov 06 2003, 01:03 PM 
>From : Bobby Heid 
To : 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
Copy to : 
Subject : RE: [AccessD] OT Access Traffic Query 
To the best of my knowledge, the processing is done on the desktop. That is 
why MSDE or SQL server gives such a performance boost. 

HTH, 
Bobby 

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Subject: [AccessD] OT Access Traffic Query 


To all, 
We have a Win2000 Server network with Office XP Professional using Access 
XP, we don't have a front-end or back-end to this system (I inherited it, 
lucky me). So everyone has a shortcut to the .mdb on the Server, when a 
query is run on the .mdb is it the Server that will do the processing or the 
desktop unit of the user ? Anybody know how it actually works, cause I may 
have to modify the Aplication. Paul 
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Nov  6 09:43:59 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu,  6 Nov 2003 16:43:59 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Access Traffic Query
Message-ID: <29892106.1068133438994.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>


Thanks for all your help



Message date : Nov 06 2003, 01:30 PM 
>From : Stuart McLachlan 
To : Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Copy to : 
Subject : Re: [AccessD] OT Access Traffic Query 
On 6 Nov 2003 at 13:24, paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote: 

> To all, We have a Win2000 Server network with Office XP Professional 
> using Access XP, we don't have a front-end or back-end to this system 
> (I inherited it, lucky me). So everyone has a shortcut to the .mdb on 
> the Server, when a query is run on the .mdb is it the Server that will 
> do the processing or the desktop unit of the user ? Anybody know how it 
> actually works, cause I may have to modify the Aplication. Paul 

The desktop does all the processing. 

It is behaving exactly it would if the application was on a local 
disk (only it takes longer to pull everything over the network than 
it would from a local drive). 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd 
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg 
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support. 



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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Nov  6 09:45:20 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:45:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DC1@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hi gustav.

The frontend runs every 5 minutes, I may quit inmediatly in this case
and do his thing the next time....


This frontend is in the same folder as the data and runs on the server.
I supose I could split them up, but I need fast recovery times. So
that's why I like to keep them togheter.
This application has 4 front-ends and 2 backends.
3 front-ends run on the server, 1 on the client pc's (local copy).
1x Front-end is an intermidiate db for ASP/internet access.
1x front-end collects E-mails, Faxes and FTP files on the server (checks
every 5 minutes)
1x front-end generates Excel files and faxes a reports whenever asked by
ASP client or by internal client (checks every other 5 minutes).

Its the last two from which I Notice my problem.
Sometimes if I make a minor adjustment to the backend database and the
front-end (timer is up) runs, I have the same problem. 

So I tought to catch the error when opening and if the database is in a
non-editable state to quit inmedatly and try again for next scheduled
run.

Erwin



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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Gustav Brock
Verzonden: donderdag 6 november 2003 11:03
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database


Hi Erwin

But if you need to make design changes, how would you do that when the
file is read-only? And why do you need to backup the frontend six times
a day?

/gustav


> Strange,

> I was just gooing to ask a simular question.
> I wanted to know if I can trap this error?

> I run an MDB (must be an MDB because I change programaticaly some 
> report
> properties) every 5 minutes (24x7) with the task scheduler. I find
this
> technique more stable than leaving the MDB 24x7 open.
> Sometimes when the file is backupped or copied at the same moment I
get
> this read-only message.
> The whole folder is backupped about 6 times a day so I do have this
> regulary.

> But this stays on my server until I click on it. Thus preventing to 
> run the app next time.

> Can I trap this error and just exit if read-only?

> Erwin



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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database


> Hi Terry - and welcome to the list!

> Adding to the comments of Charlotte and John, I find it strange that 
> you didn't receive this message when opening the Access 97 database - 
> unless you ran that as a runtime? If so that should work for Access 
> 2000 as well. And, as Charlotte states, the changes that will not be 
> save are design changes not the data.

> Another option could be to convert the database to an mde but other 
> listers may chime in here as I have never had the need for an mde 
> running other than for some tests.

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Nov  6 09:51:19 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:51:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF7217@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I give it a shot.
Because I believe the error is generated by the back-end and not the
frontend.
Only one user accesses the front-end.

I dont really know where the error is generated, in the front or
backend.
I know it usualy, but not always, happens during the backup. So I supose
Veritas backup makes a small or big lock before backing up.

Erwin


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Stuart Sanders
Verzonden: donderdag 6 november 2003 10:59
Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database



Not an expert on the error, but I suspect access gives you that error
before passing control to the database file.  You should be able to test
for it by putting a msgbox as the first action and then setting up the
circumstances to cause the error.  See which somes first ... The read
only error or the message box.

Not sure how complex your db is but one option would be to use a
separate mdb to do the report changes, and programatically manipulate
the target mdb directly via automation.  Then you can can trap the read
only state by testing for exclusive access.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
> Sent: Thursday, 06 November, 2003 5:44 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
>
>
> Strange,
>
> I was just gooing to ask a simular question.
> I wanted to know if I can trap this error?
>
> I run an MDB (must be an MDB because I change programaticaly some 
> report
> properties) every 5 minutes (24x7) with the task scheduler. I find 
> this technique more stable than leaving the MDB 24x7 open.
> Sometimes when the file is backupped or copied at the same
> moment I get
> this read-only message.
> The whole folder is backupped about 6 times a day so I do have this
> regulary.
>
> But this stays on my server until I click on it. Thus preventing to 
> run the app next time.
>
> Can I trap this error and just exit if read-only?
>
> Erwin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
>
>
> Hi Terry - and welcome to the list!
>
> Adding to the comments of Charlotte and John, I find it strange that 
> you didn't receive this message when opening the Access 97
> database - unless
> you ran that as a runtime? If so that should work for Access 2000 as
> well. And, as Charlotte states, the changes that will not be save are
> design changes not the data.
>
> Another option could be to convert the database to an mde but other 
> listers may chime in here as I have never had the need for an mde 
> running other than for some tests.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > I have just found this list so apologies if this question has been 
> > asked before (couldn't see it in the archives).
>
> > We have a database that is stored on a shared network drive
> with the
> > data
> > itself in an SQL Server backend.  For security reasons the
> majority of
> users
> > have read-only access to the network drive where the database is
> stored.  With
> > Access 97 this worked fine but the database has recently
> been upgraded
> to
> > Access 2000 and now the users receive a message when they open the
> database
> > stating that it is read-only so they won't be able to save their
> changes (which
> > is incorrect as, of course, the updates are done on the SQL server
> which they
> > do have write access to).  Not a major problem but very annoying and
> confusing
> > for the users.
>
> > Does anyone know how to disable this error message under
> Access 2000?
>
> > Thanks,
> > Terry Bradford
> > (Canberra, Australia)
>
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu Nov  6 10:01:52 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:01:52 -0000 
Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C66E0@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Rick Fisher's Find and Replace. I don't know how I ever managed without it!
I love it so much I paid the registration fee. :D

www.rickworld.com

Roz

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Sent: 06 November 2003 15:40
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query


To all,
I have a query named qryUnionAvailabilityTables, is there anyway I can find
out any other Query that uses aryUnionAvailabilityTables without going and
looking at everyone of them, i.e. some code to loop through all the queries
I have looking for this etc. I would look manually but we have over 250
queries in our main database. Thanks for any help in advance....... Paul
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Nov  6 10:02:29 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:02:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F82C@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

SpeedFerret will do it for you.

Jim DeMarco

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Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query


To all,
I have a query named qryUnionAvailabilityTables, is there anyway I can find out any other Query that uses aryUnionAvailabilityTables without going and looking at everyone of them, i.e. some code to loop through all the queries I have looking for this etc.
I would look manually but we have over 250 queries in our main database.
Thanks for any help in advance.......
Paul Hartland
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov  6 10:11:20 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:11:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631241B@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

You'd have to use something like SpeedFerret from www.moshannon.com to
find every instance of qryUnionAvailaibilityTables in the database.  It
will find them in queries, forms, reports, code, comments, etc.

Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:40 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query


To all,
I have a query named qryUnionAvailabilityTables, is there anyway I can
find out any other Query that uses aryUnionAvailabilityTables without
going and looking at everyone of them, i.e. some code to loop through
all the queries I have looking for this etc. I would look manually but
we have over 250 queries in our main database. Thanks for any help in
advance....... Paul Hartland
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From ranthony at wrsystems.com  Thu Nov  6 10:11:35 2003
From: ranthony at wrsystems.com (Randall Anthony)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:11:35 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query
Message-ID: <5F21A4E8B8DD734992EF9E70AC9D306412888D@mail2.wrsystems.com>

Amen to that.  I've got both the A97 and A2K versions.

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query

Rick Fisher's Find and Replace. I don't know how I ever managed without it!
I love it so much I paid the registration fee. :D

www.rickworld.com

Roz

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Sent: 06 November 2003 15:40
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query


To all,
I have a query named qryUnionAvailabilityTables, is there anyway I can find
out any other Query that uses aryUnionAvailabilityTables without going and
looking at everyone of them, i.e. some code to loop through all the queries
I have looking for this etc. I would look manually but we have over 250
queries in our main database. Thanks for any help in advance....... Paul
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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Thu Nov  6 10:12:26 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:12:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Omit Records from Report Total
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D781F@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

I have a table with 3 fields: [Office], [ProposalStatus], and [Amount].

In my report, I group on [Office], with [ProposalStatus] and [Amount] in
the Detail section.

In the [Office] Footer, I have a textbox with a control source of
'=Sum([Amount])'.

However, I have been informed that this textbox should not include
records with a [ProposalStatus] of 'Lost'.

Therefore, I need the textbox to be the total amount of all records that
have a [ProposalStatus] <> 'Lost'.

 

Is there any way to do this?

 

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 


From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Nov  6 10:20:15 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:20:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query
In-Reply-To: <12773941.1068133229930.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>
Message-ID: <002501c3a481$dcf6bcc0$7001a8c0@COA3>

Paul:
Dim a variable as a querydef, then loop throough all the query defs:
Dim q as querydef
Then use a For Each q in currentdb.querydefs.  Inside the For,
  use instr to check for the name of the query you are looking for:
L=instr(1, q.sql, "qryNameToCheck",vbtextcompare)
If L ' then you have a match. The current value of q.name will tell you
who's using it.  You could use Redim Preserve to come back with an array
of names that reference the query searched for.

Hth
Steve



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Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:40 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query


To all,
I have a query named qryUnionAvailabilityTables, is there anyway I can
find out any other Query that uses aryUnionAvailabilityTables without
going and looking at everyone of them, i.e. some code to loop through
all the queries I have looking for this etc. I would look manually but
we have over 250 queries in our main database. Thanks for any help in
advance....... Paul Hartland
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov  6 10:22:20 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:22:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3F1@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I have to chime in on the other side.  I've been building Access apps
using bound forms (yes, JC, I *do* use bound forms ... just not
*always*!) since Access 1.  Anytime I've seen serious corruption, there
has been a darn good reason for it, either between the chair and
keyboard or within the network itself.  I've always built my apps with
multiple users in mind, but I've often heard the same urban legends.  In
fact, the truth depends on how the application is built.  

The people who knock Access generally know little about it and how it
works or have never encountered a well-built Access application.
Unfortunately, there are a large number of "practitioners" out there who
call themselves Access developers because  they've managed to build
themselves a database that sort of does what they want.  Their work
tends to give Access development a bad name.   I've cleaned up after
some and it was NOT pretty!

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


Hi John and Stuart:

Not trying to re-kindle the bound/unbound debate but as most of my
contracts are with the local provincial government and they have a
specific rule. All databases with greater than ten users must be build
on SQL technology. That technology extends to Oracle and sometime MS SQL
and unbound forms. Therefore, I have little opportunity experiment with
Access environments with a large user base. The closest I came to a
significant bound Access database was a private client with just under
twenty users but they moved their server to Linux and subsequently a
MySQL BE.

Maybe all these concerns with larger Access bound form applications, are
part of a local urban legend, or Database companies and DBAs who wish to
promote the myth to their own end but I for one have not had great
memories with a couple of applications. Once burned...twice shy.

My two cents worth
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 5:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


On 5 Nov 2003 at 20:26, John Colby wrote:

> Jim,
>
> I have a client with ~30 users in the database (bound forms) from 8-5
daily
> and have not had a single corruption in coming up on a year now.
>

Me too!   (For a couple of years now)
<VBG>

Apart from that one, I have several others which regularly have ~10
users in them all day with no sign of corruption yet.








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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov  6 10:23:24 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:23:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631241D@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

True, but runtime is a separate issue entirely, with its own problems.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database


Although according to Gustav I think it was, running it under "run time"
will prevent the error from showing.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database


Design changes (like the paper size of a report) are handled in Access,
not in SQL Server.  Access 2000 and later do NOT allow users to make
design changes to objects unless they have exclusive access to the
database.  Since your database is being shared,  that would only be
possible if a single user was in the database.  Also, read-only access
to that folder won't work because the users need to be able to create
and/or write to the ldb file for the shared front end and to delete it
when the last person exits.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: access at tlcbc.com.au [mailto:access at tlcbc.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database



Hi!

I have just found this list so apologies if this question has been asked
before (couldn't see it in the archives).

We have a database that is stored on a shared network drive with the
data itself in an SQL Server backend.  For security reasons the majority
of users have read-only access to the network drive where the database
is stored. With Access 97 this worked fine but the database has recently
been upgraded to Access 2000 and now the users receive a message when
they open the database stating that it is read-only so they won't be
able to save their changes (which is incorrect as, of course, the
updates are done on the SQL server which they do have write access to).
Not a major problem but very annoying and confusing for the users.

Does anyone know how to disable this error message under Access 2000?

Thanks,
Terry Bradford
(Canberra, Australia)


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov  6 10:33:56 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:33:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3F1@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEJMFJAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

ROTFL.

>I've cleaned up after some and it was NOT pretty!

Amen to THAT.

Being bound / unbound appears to have little to do with anything when it
comes to corruptions.  A corruption occurs when JET attempts to save to a db
and the connection is broken for some reason.  That may be the computer
turned off (power loss / off switch - at the WS OR THE SERVER OR THE
ROUTER), or a flaky NIC, or a flaky cable, or a flaky router.  This will
occur whether it is a bound form doing the write or an unbound form doing
the write.  You can have a bound form open and staring at data and lose
power with no ill effects, IF no write is occurring.

Unfortunately these urban legends get started, and then just pick up a life
of their own.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


I have to chime in on the other side.  I've been building Access apps
using bound forms (yes, JC, I *do* use bound forms ... just not
*always*!) since Access 1.  Anytime I've seen serious corruption, there
has been a darn good reason for it, either between the chair and
keyboard or within the network itself.  I've always built my apps with
multiple users in mind, but I've often heard the same urban legends.  In
fact, the truth depends on how the application is built.

The people who knock Access generally know little about it and how it
works or have never encountered a well-built Access application.
Unfortunately, there are a large number of "practitioners" out there who
call themselves Access developers because  they've managed to build
themselves a database that sort of does what they want.  Their work
tends to give Access development a bad name.   I've cleaned up after
some and it was NOT pretty!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


Hi John and Stuart:

Not trying to re-kindle the bound/unbound debate but as most of my
contracts are with the local provincial government and they have a
specific rule. All databases with greater than ten users must be build
on SQL technology. That technology extends to Oracle and sometime MS SQL
and unbound forms. Therefore, I have little opportunity experiment with
Access environments with a large user base. The closest I came to a
significant bound Access database was a private client with just under
twenty users but they moved their server to Linux and subsequently a
MySQL BE.

Maybe all these concerns with larger Access bound form applications, are
part of a local urban legend, or Database companies and DBAs who wish to
promote the myth to their own end but I for one have not had great
memories with a couple of applications. Once burned...twice shy.

My two cents worth
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 5:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


On 5 Nov 2003 at 20:26, John Colby wrote:

> Jim,
>
> I have a client with ~30 users in the database (bound forms) from 8-5
daily
> and have not had a single corruption in coming up on a year now.
>

Me too!   (For a couple of years now)
<VBG>

Apart from that one, I have several others which regularly have ~10
users in them all day with no sign of corruption yet.








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Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy http://www.lexacorp.com.pg

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov  6 10:35:30 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:35:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DC1@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DC1@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <19630705432.20031106173530@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

OK, but again, a write protected (during backup) backend should not
cause a popup in the fronted (except if you try to write to it, of
course), and why take backup of the frontend all day - you would be
better off creating a working copy of it from a master file when
launching. 

/gustav


> The frontend runs every 5 minutes, I may quit inmediatly in this case
> and do his thing the next time....


> This frontend is in the same folder as the data and runs on the server.
> I supose I could split them up, but I need fast recovery times. So
> that's why I like to keep them togheter.
> This application has 4 front-ends and 2 backends.
> 3 front-ends run on the server, 1 on the client pc's (local copy).
> 1x Front-end is an intermidiate db for ASP/internet access.
> 1x front-end collects E-mails, Faxes and FTP files on the server (checks
> every 5 minutes)
> 1x front-end generates Excel files and faxes a reports whenever asked by
> ASP client or by internal client (checks every other 5 minutes).

> Its the last two from which I Notice my problem.
> Sometimes if I make a minor adjustment to the backend database and the
> front-end (timer is up) runs, I have the same problem. 

> So I tought to catch the error when opening and if the database is in a
> non-editable state to quit inmedatly and try again for next scheduled
> run.

> Erwin



> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Gustav Brock
> Verzonden: donderdag 6 november 2003 11:03
> Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database


> Hi Erwin

> But if you need to make design changes, how would you do that when the
> file is read-only? And why do you need to backup the frontend six times
> a day?

> /gustav


>> Strange,

>> I was just gooing to ask a simular question.
>> I wanted to know if I can trap this error?

>> I run an MDB (must be an MDB because I change programaticaly some 
>> report
>> properties) every 5 minutes (24x7) with the task scheduler. I find
>> this technique more stable than leaving the MDB 24x7 open.
>> Sometimes when the file is backupped or copied at the same moment I
>> get this read-only message.
>> The whole folder is backupped about 6 times a day so I do have this
>> regulary.

>> But this stays on my server until I click on it. Thus preventing to 
>> run the app next time.

>> Can I trap this error and just exit if read-only?

>> Erwin



>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
>> Brock
>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:09 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database


>> Hi Terry - and welcome to the list!

>> Adding to the comments of Charlotte and John, I find it strange that 
>> you didn't receive this message when opening the Access 97 database - 
>> unless you ran that as a runtime? If so that should work for Access 
>> 2000 as well. And, as Charlotte states, the changes that will not be 
>> save are design changes not the data.

>> Another option could be to convert the database to an mde but other 
>> listers may chime in here as I have never had the need for an mde 
>> running other than for some tests.


From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Nov  6 10:43:51 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 10:43:51 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Increment Date - Was:  OT - Excel Increment Date
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C865@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Ok, can't seem to figure this out in Excel so going to use good ol' Access.
 
I need to print a report that changes the date field for each work day of
the year. For example, press print & it will print 240 (or however many work
days there are in a year M-F) copies of a report and the date on each copy
will increment.
 
The report is 1 page. So, I need it to print one copy, increment the date by
one working day, then print another copy until all copies are printed for
the year.
 
1st copy - Thursday, 11/06/2003
2nd copy - Friday, 11/07/2003
3rd copy - Monday, 11/10/2003
etc.
 
P.S. If anyone has any ideas how to do this in Excel or Access it doesn't
matter. I would appreciate help either way.
 
Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: OT - Excel Increment Date


Sorry for the OT and definitely change of subject to Excel.
 
I need to increment a date in Excel, if anyone can help please contact me
off-list.
 
Virginia
hollisvj at pgdp.usec.com <mailto:hollisvj at pgdp.usec.com> 


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov  6 10:49:55 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:49:55 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631241E@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Don't forget flaky users in that list, John! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 8:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


ROTFL.

>I've cleaned up after some and it was NOT pretty!

Amen to THAT.

Being bound / unbound appears to have little to do with anything when it
comes to corruptions.  A corruption occurs when JET attempts to save to
a db and the connection is broken for some reason.  That may be the
computer turned off (power loss / off switch - at the WS OR THE SERVER
OR THE ROUTER), or a flaky NIC, or a flaky cable, or a flaky router.
This will occur whether it is a bound form doing the write or an unbound
form doing the write.  You can have a bound form open and staring at
data and lose power with no ill effects, IF no write is occurring.

Unfortunately these urban legends get started, and then just pick up a
life of their own.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


I have to chime in on the other side.  I've been building Access apps
using bound forms (yes, JC, I *do* use bound forms ... just not
*always*!) since Access 1.  Anytime I've seen serious corruption, there
has been a darn good reason for it, either between the chair and
keyboard or within the network itself.  I've always built my apps with
multiple users in mind, but I've often heard the same urban legends.  In
fact, the truth depends on how the application is built.

The people who knock Access generally know little about it and how it
works or have never encountered a well-built Access application.
Unfortunately, there are a large number of "practitioners" out there who
call themselves Access developers because  they've managed to build
themselves a database that sort of does what they want.  Their work
tends to give Access development a bad name.   I've cleaned up after
some and it was NOT pretty!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


Hi John and Stuart:

Not trying to re-kindle the bound/unbound debate but as most of my
contracts are with the local provincial government and they have a
specific rule. All databases with greater than ten users must be build
on SQL technology. That technology extends to Oracle and sometime MS SQL
and unbound forms. Therefore, I have little opportunity experiment with
Access environments with a large user base. The closest I came to a
significant bound Access database was a private client with just under
twenty users but they moved their server to Linux and subsequently a
MySQL BE.

Maybe all these concerns with larger Access bound form applications, are
part of a local urban legend, or Database companies and DBAs who wish to
promote the myth to their own end but I for one have not had great
memories with a couple of applications. Once burned...twice shy.

My two cents worth
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 5:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


On 5 Nov 2003 at 20:26, John Colby wrote:

> Jim,
>
> I have a client with ~30 users in the database (bound forms) from 8-5
daily
> and have not had a single corruption in coming up on a year now.
>

Me too!   (For a couple of years now)
<VBG>

Apart from that one, I have several others which regularly have ~10
users in them all day with no sign of corruption yet.








--
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy http://www.lexacorp.com.pg

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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Nov  6 11:00:03 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 11:00:03 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Open Word Document
In-Reply-To: <200311060852.hA68qp629349@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031106105848.02887df0@pop3.highstream.net>

Virginia,

I get that when there has been a substitution for a font
or something like that.  We do not see it because Word
does it automatically.

Robert

At 02:52 AM 11/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:09:24 -0600
>From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C850 at cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Perfect, thanks.
>
>When you open a document in Word is there anyway to prevent it from asking
>if you want to save changes? Why does it show the Save message when no
>changes have been made - only opened the document? I have noticed Excel does
>the same thing, always wanting to save changes.
>
>Va.



From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 11:07:03 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:07:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Dynamic Calendar Report
Message-ID: <20031106170703.95316.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com>

Is there any type of dynamic calendar that can come in report form in access? I want to be able to select any month and produce the appropriate calendar for that month. Also I want to be able to post items from a table into that calendar.
 
Thanks in advance.



Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Thu Nov  6 11:08:07 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:08:07 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Increment Date - Was:  OT - Excel Increment Date
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB907@nnse14.nns.com>

Well, an easy way to get a list of these dates in Excel is to type your
beginning date in a cell, highlight from that cell down the column to
include the number of entries you wish, go to Edit/Fill/Series, choose
Columns, Date, Weekday, OK.  You could then use this list as the source for
your loop logic.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Increment Date - Was: OT - Excel Increment Date


Ok, can't seem to figure this out in Excel so going to use good ol' Access.
 
I need to print a report that changes the date field for each work day of
the year. For example, press print & it will print 240 (or however many work
days there are in a year M-F) copies of a report and the date on each copy
will increment.
 
The report is 1 page. So, I need it to print one copy, increment the date by
one working day, then print another copy until all copies are printed for
the year.
 
1st copy - Thursday, 11/06/2003
2nd copy - Friday, 11/07/2003
3rd copy - Monday, 11/10/2003
etc.
 
P.S. If anyone has any ideas how to do this in Excel or Access it doesn't
matter. I would appreciate help either way.
 
Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: OT - Excel Increment Date


Sorry for the OT and definitely change of subject to Excel.
 
I need to increment a date in Excel, if anyone can help please contact me
off-list.
 
Virginia
hollisvj at pgdp.usec.com <mailto:hollisvj at pgdp.usec.com> 

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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Nov  6 11:45:52 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 11:45:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Increment Date - Was:  OT - Excel Increment Date
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C86B@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I figured it out - if anyone ever needs this.

Thanks, Va.

********************
With Worksheets("Schedule")
NumCopies = .Cells(5, 20).Value

For i = 1 To NumCopies
If Weekday(.Cells(3, 7), 2) = 6 Or Weekday(.Cells(3, 7), 2) = 7 Then GoTo
Gin

  ActiveWindow.SelectedSheets.PrintOut Copies:=1, Collate:=True
  
Gin:
  .Cells(2, 19).Value = i
Next i
    
End With

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Increment Date - Was: OT - Excel Increment Date


Well, an easy way to get a list of these dates in Excel is to type your
beginning date in a cell, highlight from that cell down the column to
include the number of entries you wish, go to Edit/Fill/Series, choose
Columns, Date, Weekday, OK.  You could then use this list as the source for
your loop logic.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Increment Date - Was: OT - Excel Increment Date


Ok, can't seem to figure this out in Excel so going to use good ol' Access.
 
I need to print a report that changes the date field for each work day of
the year. For example, press print & it will print 240 (or however many work
days there are in a year M-F) copies of a report and the date on each copy
will increment.
 
The report is 1 page. So, I need it to print one copy, increment the date by
one working day, then print another copy until all copies are printed for
the year.
 
1st copy - Thursday, 11/06/2003
2nd copy - Friday, 11/07/2003
3rd copy - Monday, 11/10/2003
etc.
 
P.S. If anyone has any ideas how to do this in Excel or Access it doesn't
matter. I would appreciate help either way.
 
Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: OT - Excel Increment Date


Sorry for the OT and definitely change of subject to Excel.
 
I need to increment a date in Excel, if anyone can help please contact me
off-list.
 
Virginia
hollisvj at pgdp.usec.com <mailto:hollisvj at pgdp.usec.com> 

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Nov  6 11:50:24 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:50:24 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query
In-Reply-To: <12773941.1068133229930.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>
Message-ID: <00d701c3a48e$77f6a530$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Paul
Here's some code. Just call it from the immediate window as in:

? SrchQdefs("qryUnionAvailabilityTables")




Function SrchQdefs(strSrch as String)
'Pass all queries and searches for a given string in the SQL
Dim db As Database
Dim qry As QueryDef
Dim Mysql As String
Set db = CurrentDb()
For Each qry In db.QueryDefs
  If InStr(1, qry.SQL, Srch) <> 0 Then
    Debug.Print qry.Name
  End If
Next qry
Set db=Nothing

End Function

HTH

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> paul.hartland at fsmail.net
> Sent: 06 November 2003 15:40
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query
> 
> 
> To all,
> I have a query named qryUnionAvailabilityTables, is there 
> anyway I can find out any other Query that uses 
> aryUnionAvailabilityTables without going and looking at 
> everyone of them, i.e. some code to loop through all the 
> queries I have looking for this etc. I would look manually 
> but we have over 250 queries in our main database. Thanks for 
> any help in advance....... Paul Hartland 
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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Thu Nov  6 11:49:06 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:49:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SOLVED: Omit Records from Report Total
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D189879@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

I resolved this issue by simply creating another field in the table, and
running an update query to populate this field with the amount only if
[ProposalStatus] <> 'Lost'.
I then changed the textboxes on the report to sum this new field.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Boyd 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:12 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Omit Records from Report Total

I have a table with 3 fields: [Office], [ProposalStatus], and [Amount].

In my report, I group on [Office], with [ProposalStatus] and [Amount] in
the Detail section.

In the [Office] Footer, I have a textbox with a control source of
'=Sum([Amount])'.

However, I have been informed that this textbox should not include
records with a [ProposalStatus] of 'Lost'.

Therefore, I need the textbox to be the total amount of all records that
have a [ProposalStatus] <> 'Lost'.

 

Is there any way to do this?

 

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov  6 12:08:20 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:08:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEKCFJAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Is it possible to call a function in another database without referencing
that db?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Thu Nov  6 13:06:27 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:06:27 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the 
	db
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB90A@nnse14.nns.com>

You don't ask for much do you? ;)


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:08 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db


Is it possible to call a function in another database without referencing
that db?

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Nov  6 13:10:43 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:10:43 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the 
	db
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022274E9@main2.marlow.com>

Through automation.

Drew

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From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:08 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db


Is it possible to call a function in another database without referencing
that db?

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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Thu Nov  6 13:13:43 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:13:43 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the 
	db
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE0E2@TAPPEEXCH01>

Can you define "without referencing"?  Shell, DDE, mental telepathy?

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Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:08 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db


Is it possible to call a function in another database without referencing
that db?

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov  6 13:14:52 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:14:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB90A@nnse14.nns.com>
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I try to only post the simple requests.  ;-)

John W. Colby
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S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing
the db


You don't ask for much do you? ;)


Mark


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Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:08 PM
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Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db


Is it possible to call a function in another database without referencing
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From Elizabeth.Carter at telus.com  Thu Nov  6 13:20:06 2003
From: Elizabeth.Carter at telus.com (Elizabeth Carter)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:20:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Testing for NULLS in a Query
Message-ID: <C92CA56342E90843BF148AE54BCA9579011E3E3B@bcmsg010.corp.ads>

Hi Darren,

You could try doing a select query for you student ID assessment ID combination and if no rows are returned run the append query.

Liz

-----Original Message-----
From: Robin Lawrence [mailto:rgilimited at btconnect.com]
Sent: November 6, 2003 12:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Testing for NULLS in a Query


Darren,
Have you tried
IsNull([tblResults]![AssesmentID]) OR IsNull([tblResults]![StudentID]) 

Or move the second criteria to the second row of the query grid

Rgds
Robin Lawrence

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: 06 November 2003 05:00
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Testing for NULLS in a Query


Hello all
I have a Table that holds a swag of various ID's called tblResults
Many fields but of interest here is...
StudentID, AwardID, CourseID, SubjectID, AssessmentID all Numbers (Long
Int)

I perform an append query if the one of the ID's is missing 
(using IS NULL in the criteria as per the find Unmatched Query Wizard)

So I have a student (StudentID = 2 ) who does as assessment
(AssessmentID = 55)

Quite simply if there is no occurence of the Assessment ID 55 (ie Is
null in the Criteria of the Append Query)
Excellent then the Append query sparks up and all is well.

Small snag though. Many students may sit assessment no 55.  So there may
be no occurence of AssessmentID 55
for student no 2 but there may be an occurence of it for say...Student
Number 1 or others

As a result the Is Null Criteria is false and doesn't spark the append
query Because there IS an assessment 55 in the 
Results Table only it belongs to Student no 1 not student no 2

How do I test for Null in 2 fields in order to spark up the append
query.
IE there may be an AssesmentID of 55 in the table but for Student ID 1 
So...
How do I test for Is Null Assessment ID 55 AND isNull student ID2
I have discovered it is not as simple as putting Is Null in the Critera
for Assessment ID and Is Null for Criteria For Student ID
I have also tried  IsNull([tblResults]![AssesmentID]) And
IsNull([tblResults]![StudentID]) no joy

Many thanks in advance


Darren




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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov  6 13:30:33 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:30:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db
In-Reply-To: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE0E2@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEKGFJAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I have a client where more and more processes need to be run automatically.
Basically they need to send (email) reports to various clients
automatically, receive reports and process spreadsheet attachments etc.

I am trying to design a generic process system where the processes can be
table driven.  I would like this code to be a referenced wizard such that I
have a FE if you will that has code in it that creates these reports and
knows how to email them out.  It has tables where it places data such as
time / date to run the process and what function to call that is the process
to run.  It starts the wizard which loads the processes and at the correct
time runs each process.

The problem is that the process code is in the FE.  The FE is starting a
wizard and thus has to reference the wizard.  The wizard has to call a
function back in the FE.  This is a circular reference and Access doesn't
like circular references.  I read stuff about circular references ages ago
but can't find anything anymore.  I vaguely recall something about as long
as the modules are divided us such that the calls out and back in don't
occur into the same module it could be done.

Or I hallucinated that.

Not sure which and can't find anything on it anymore.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing
the db


Can you define "without referencing"?  Shell, DDE, mental telepathy?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:08 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db


Is it possible to call a function in another database without referencing
that db?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Nov  6 13:38:08 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:38:08 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the 
	db
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022274EC@main2.marlow.com>

With automation, you can call a function in another instance of Access.  I
believe it's 'CallFunction' (little hazy this morning).  You can also grab
an existing instance of Access.  So would grabbing an existing instance of
Access, then using the CallFunction through automation work?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing
the db


I have a client where more and more processes need to be run automatically.
Basically they need to send (email) reports to various clients
automatically, receive reports and process spreadsheet attachments etc.

I am trying to design a generic process system where the processes can be
table driven.  I would like this code to be a referenced wizard such that I
have a FE if you will that has code in it that creates these reports and
knows how to email them out.  It has tables where it places data such as
time / date to run the process and what function to call that is the process
to run.  It starts the wizard which loads the processes and at the correct
time runs each process.

The problem is that the process code is in the FE.  The FE is starting a
wizard and thus has to reference the wizard.  The wizard has to call a
function back in the FE.  This is a circular reference and Access doesn't
like circular references.  I read stuff about circular references ages ago
but can't find anything anymore.  I vaguely recall something about as long
as the modules are divided us such that the calls out and back in don't
occur into the same module it could be done.

Or I hallucinated that.

Not sure which and can't find anything on it anymore.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing
the db


Can you define "without referencing"?  Shell, DDE, mental telepathy?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:08 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db


Is it possible to call a function in another database without referencing
that db?

John W. Colby
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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  6 13:43:59 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 12:43:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db
Message-ID: <Sea2-F439CJheugV2Dr000744b0@hotmail.com>

As an attempt at a possible solution, I defined a function that was called 
by a query in mdb1.  I then created a query in mdb2 named functionName with 
an IN clause that referenced the query in mdb1 and it returned an "Undefined 
function 'functionName' in Expression' message.  I then defined a different 
function with the name 'functionName' in mdb2 and ran the query in mdb2 and 
the resulting recordset used the calculation from mdb2 while the function in 
mdb1 was not called.

In any event, using a query with a calculated field that calculates one time 
is not able to call a function in its own container mdb as I had thought it 
might.  The function must be defined in the application.  I can't imagine 
any other way of trying this without a reference to the container 
application.  Good luck but you will probably have to create the reference 
on the fly.

Hen

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>Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:08:20 -0500
>
>Is it possible to call a function in another database without referencing
>that db?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Nov  6 13:55:27 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:55:27 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Read-Only error message opening database
In-Reply-To: <200311060852.hA68qp629349@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031106133601.028d7e58@pop3.highstream.net>

Terry,

Have you converted the MDBs from 97 to 2000.
That may be the reason they are getting me message.

Also, how are your permissions setup on SQL Server?

Have you thought of changing to ADPs?

Robert

At 02:52 AM 11/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Date: Thu,  6 Nov 2003 15:02:58 +1300
>From: access at tlcbc.com.au
>Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
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>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>
>Hi!
>
>I have just found this list so apologies if this question has been asked 
>before
>(couldn't see it in the archives).
>
>We have a database that is stored on a shared network drive with the data
>itself in an SQL Server backend.  For security reasons the majority of users
>have read-only access to the network drive where the database is 
>stored.  With
>Access 97 this worked fine but the database has recently been upgraded to
>Access 2000 and now the users receive a message when they open the database
>stating that it is read-only so they won't be able to save their changes 
>(which
>is incorrect as, of course, the updates are done on the SQL server which they
>do have write access to).  Not a major problem but very annoying and 
>confusing
>for the users.
>
>Does anyone know how to disable this error message under Access 2000?
>
>Thanks,
>Terry Bradford



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov  6 14:04:12 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:04:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3F3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

John, 

Why don't you just put the generic code you need into a code library and
reference that from both your application and your generic process?  It
sounds like you've got a snake swallowing its tail.  Wizards are
supposed to be freestanding.  They shouldn't call processes in the FE
for the very reason you're tripping over.  Make the FE use the wizard,
not the other way around, or use a code library.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing
the db


I have a client where more and more processes need to be run
automatically. Basically they need to send (email) reports to various
clients automatically, receive reports and process spreadsheet
attachments etc.

I am trying to design a generic process system where the processes can
be table driven.  I would like this code to be a referenced wizard such
that I have a FE if you will that has code in it that creates these
reports and knows how to email them out.  It has tables where it places
data such as time / date to run the process and what function to call
that is the process to run.  It starts the wizard which loads the
processes and at the correct time runs each process.

The problem is that the process code is in the FE.  The FE is starting a
wizard and thus has to reference the wizard.  The wizard has to call a
function back in the FE.  This is a circular reference and Access
doesn't like circular references.  I read stuff about circular
references ages ago but can't find anything anymore.  I vaguely recall
something about as long as the modules are divided us such that the
calls out and back in don't occur into the same module it could be done.

Or I hallucinated that.

Not sure which and can't find anything on it anymore.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing
the db


Can you define "without referencing"?  Shell, DDE, mental telepathy?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:08 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db


Is it possible to call a function in another database without
referencing that db?

John W. Colby
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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Thu Nov  6 14:04:13 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:04:13 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the 
	db
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE0E4@TAPPEEXCH01>

Aha!  I see...

The Access.Application object has a method called "Run" that will allow
external applications to execute global procedures.  If the wizard knew the
filepath of the FE, it could reference it in a procedure using GetObject:

Dim objAccFE As Object
Set objAccFE = GetObject(mstrAccFEPath, "Access.Application")
objAccFE.Run "ProcName", "Arg1", "Arg2"
Set objAccFE = Nothing

By setting procedure-level object references and destroying them when you're
done, you shouldn't have any problems with circular references.

Also, a nice feature of the Run method is that the procedure name and
arguments can come from variables or table data, giving you complete
flexibility in a "table-driven" system.


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing
the db


I have a client where more and more processes need to be run automatically.
Basically they need to send (email) reports to various clients
automatically, receive reports and process spreadsheet attachments etc.

I am trying to design a generic process system where the processes can be
table driven.  I would like this code to be a referenced wizard such that I
have a FE if you will that has code in it that creates these reports and
knows how to email them out.  It has tables where it places data such as
time / date to run the process and what function to call that is the process
to run.  It starts the wizard which loads the processes and at the correct
time runs each process.

The problem is that the process code is in the FE.  The FE is starting a
wizard and thus has to reference the wizard.  The wizard has to call a
function back in the FE.  This is a circular reference and Access doesn't
like circular references.  I read stuff about circular references ages ago
but can't find anything anymore.  I vaguely recall something about as long
as the modules are divided us such that the calls out and back in don't
occur into the same module it could be done.

Or I hallucinated that.

Not sure which and can't find anything on it anymore.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing
the db


Can you define "without referencing"?  Shell, DDE, mental telepathy?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:08 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db


Is it possible to call a function in another database without referencing
that db?

John W. Colby
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Nov  6 14:06:31 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:06:31 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Re: OT: Corrupted database
In-Reply-To: <200311060852.hA68qp629349@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031106135723.029ad340@pop3.highstream.net>

Jim,

Personally, I do everything bound.  I have an Access 2 db that is still 
running with up to 80 concurrent users and a size of about 500 meg.  In 
every application I do, no one shares a FE db.  I have one attaching to SQL 
Server that the BE is about 1.5 gig.  One table is over 3/4 of a million 
records.  No problems.  I am currently working on moving it to an ADP and 
then to an ASP.NET application.

And, since when is Access not based on SQL technology????

Robert

At 02:52 AM 11/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 19:32:13 -0800
>From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKEHLCPAA.accessd at shaw.ca>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Hi John and Stuart:
>
>Not trying to re-kindle the bound/unbound debate but as most of my contracts
>are with the local provincial government and they have a specific rule. All
>databases with greater than ten users must be build on SQL technology. That
>technology extends to Oracle and sometime MS SQL and unbound forms.
>Therefore, I have little opportunity experiment with Access environments
>with a large user base. The closest I came to a significant bound Access
>database was a private client with just under twenty users but they moved
>their server to Linux and subsequently a MySQL BE.
>
>Maybe all these concerns with larger Access bound form applications, are
>part of a local urban legend, or Database companies and DBAs who wish to
>promote the myth to their own end but I for one have not had great memories
>with a couple of applications. Once burned...twice shy.
>
>My two cents worth
>Jim



From lists at theopg.com  Thu Nov  6 14:19:05 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:19:05 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Passive shutdown.... Driving me mad
In-Reply-To: <006401c3a3b5$2aaf1070$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <001501c3a4a3$455ad0f0$590b6bd5@netboxxp>

Hi all...

I have a database (Access XP 2002 format) on widows XP, data in a
separate backend etc. When I try to connect to the front-end (generating
reports using ADO in Excel from temp data stored in the FE) I get the
following message:

"The database has been placed in a state by user on machine 
that prevents it from being opened or locked. (Error 3734)
This error occurs when the new passive shutdown/connection control is
being
used. This error message indicates that a user set the database in a
mode
that will prevent other users from opening it."

I have looked in the help and searched the archives and can't figure it
out. The backends access, not SQL Server, I'm the only user (at present)
and I haven't opened the database exclusively or messed with this
"damned" connection control...

Any one out there know whats going on? (apart from me climbing the walls
that is)

Cheers

Mark

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Nov  6 14:23:11 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:23:11 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the 
	 db
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022274ED@main2.marlow.com>

There ya go.  Run.  New I had it wrong....but hey, just starting my first
cup of coffee right now.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing
the db


Aha!  I see...

The Access.Application object has a method called "Run" that will allow
external applications to execute global procedures.  If the wizard knew the
filepath of the FE, it could reference it in a procedure using GetObject:

Dim objAccFE As Object
Set objAccFE = GetObject(mstrAccFEPath, "Access.Application")
objAccFE.Run "ProcName", "Arg1", "Arg2"
Set objAccFE = Nothing

By setting procedure-level object references and destroying them when you're
done, you shouldn't have any problems with circular references.

Also, a nice feature of the Run method is that the procedure name and
arguments can come from variables or table data, giving you complete
flexibility in a "table-driven" system.


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing
the db


I have a client where more and more processes need to be run automatically.
Basically they need to send (email) reports to various clients
automatically, receive reports and process spreadsheet attachments etc.

I am trying to design a generic process system where the processes can be
table driven.  I would like this code to be a referenced wizard such that I
have a FE if you will that has code in it that creates these reports and
knows how to email them out.  It has tables where it places data such as
time / date to run the process and what function to call that is the process
to run.  It starts the wizard which loads the processes and at the correct
time runs each process.

The problem is that the process code is in the FE.  The FE is starting a
wizard and thus has to reference the wizard.  The wizard has to call a
function back in the FE.  This is a circular reference and Access doesn't
like circular references.  I read stuff about circular references ages ago
but can't find anything anymore.  I vaguely recall something about as long
as the modules are divided us such that the calls out and back in don't
occur into the same module it could be done.

Or I hallucinated that.

Not sure which and can't find anything on it anymore.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing
the db


Can you define "without referencing"?  Shell, DDE, mental telepathy?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:08 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db


Is it possible to call a function in another database without referencing
that db?

John W. Colby
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  6 15:02:17 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 15:02:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Omit Records from Report Total
Message-ID: <BAY2-F125tIaFwMteZy00009b2f@hotmail.com>

I would do this with a query over the table with a second field for the 
Amount that had a value of something like;

AmountForNotLost: iif([ProposalStatus] = 'Lost',0,[Amount[)

and then use that query as the record source for the report and just total 
on the AmountForNotLost instead of - or in addition to the regulare Amount 
field.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com



>From: "Mark Boyd" <MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Omit Records from Report Total
>Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:12:26 -0500
>
>I have a table with 3 fields: [Office], [ProposalStatus], and [Amount].
>
>In my report, I group on [Office], with [ProposalStatus] and [Amount] in
>the Detail section.
>
>In the [Office] Footer, I have a textbox with a control source of
>'=Sum([Amount])'.
>
>However, I have been informed that this textbox should not include
>records with a [ProposalStatus] of 'Lost'.
>
>Therefore, I need the textbox to be the total amount of all records that
>have a [ProposalStatus] <> 'Lost'.
>
>
>
>Is there any way to do this?
>
>
>
>Mark Boyd
>
>Sr. Systems Analyst
>
>McBee Associates, Inc.
>
>
>
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Nov  6 15:11:09 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 15:11:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Re: A2K: Testing for NULLS in a Query
In-Reply-To: <200311060852.hA68qp629349@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031106150634.02921e88@pop3.highstream.net>

Darren,

I would do it in code and not in queries.

The first one would be a recordset for each student.

SELECT StudentID FROM tblStudent:
Go to the first record
loop until rs1.eof
check in a second recordset for the Assessment for that StudentID
SELECT * FROM tblAssessment WHERE StudentID = rs1!StudentID
if rs2.bof and rs2.eof   ' no records found
         then append the record
end if
move to the next record of rs1
loop back up

there it is in pseudo-code.

Robert

At 02:52 AM 11/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:00:10 +1100
>From: "Darren DICK" <d.dick at uws.edu.au>
>Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Testing for NULLS in a Query
>To: "AccessD List" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <00f101c3a422$dba47f60$3c619a89 at DDICK>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Hello all
>I have a Table that holds a swag of various ID's called tblResults
>Many fields but of interest here is...
>StudentID, AwardID, CourseID, SubjectID, AssessmentID all Numbers (Long Int)
>
>I perform an append query if the one of the ID's is missing
>(using IS NULL in the criteria as per the find Unmatched Query Wizard)
>
>So I have a student (StudentID = 2 ) who does as assessment (AssessmentID 
>= 55)
>
>Quite simply if there is no occurence of the Assessment ID 55 (ie Is null 
>in the Criteria of the Append Query)
>Excellent then the Append query sparks up and all is well.
>
>Small snag though. Many students may sit assessment no 55.  So there may 
>be no occurence of AssessmentID 55
>for student no 2 but there may be an occurence of it for say...Student 
>Number 1 or others
>
>As a result the Is Null Criteria is false and doesn't spark the append 
>query Because there IS an assessment 55 in the
>Results Table only it belongs to Student no 1 not student no 2
>
>How do I test for Null in 2 fields in order to spark up the append query.
>IE there may be an AssesmentID of 55 in the table but for Student ID 1
>So...
>How do I test for Is Null Assessment ID 55 AND isNull student ID2
>I have discovered it is not as simple as putting Is Null in the Critera 
>for Assessment ID and Is Null for Criteria For Student ID
>I have also tried  IsNull([tblResults]![AssesmentID]) And 
>IsNull([tblResults]![StudentID]) no joy
>
>Many thanks in advance
>
>
>Darren



From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Thu Nov  6 15:12:26 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:12:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Omit Records from Report Total
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D18987C@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Gary -
That's a good idea.  I actually created a new field and updated it with
the same criteria you are using.  Then, I used this new field for the
totals.
Although, your idea involves less work.

Thanks,
Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Kjos [mailto:garykjos at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 4:02 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Omit Records from Report Total

I would do this with a query over the table with a second field for the 
Amount that had a value of something like;

AmountForNotLost: iif([ProposalStatus] = 'Lost',0,[Amount[)

and then use that query as the record source for the report and just
total 
on the AmountForNotLost instead of - or in addition to the regulare
Amount 
field.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com



>From: "Mark Boyd" <MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Omit Records from Report Total
>Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:12:26 -0500
>
>I have a table with 3 fields: [Office], [ProposalStatus], and [Amount].
>
>In my report, I group on [Office], with [ProposalStatus] and [Amount]
in
>the Detail section.
>
>In the [Office] Footer, I have a textbox with a control source of
>'=Sum([Amount])'.
>
>However, I have been informed that this textbox should not include
>records with a [ProposalStatus] of 'Lost'.
>
>Therefore, I need the textbox to be the total amount of all records
that
>have a [ProposalStatus] <> 'Lost'.
>
>
>
>Is there any way to do this?
>
>
>
>Mark Boyd
>
>Sr. Systems Analyst
>
>McBee Associates, Inc.
>
>
>
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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Thu Nov  6 15:22:27 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:22:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Median Number
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHGEIBEPAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

Anyone have a good way to find the median value in a table of unkown number
of records?

I can't find anything in Access and I have some ideas, but I hate to
re-invent the wheel.

Thanks.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com




From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Thu Nov  6 15:40:16 2003
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:40:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Median Number
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D1701E05047@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Rueben,
Take a look at this link:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;DA;q210581 


Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


-----Original Message-----
From: Reuben Cummings [mailto:reuben at gfconsultants.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 4:22 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Median Number


Anyone have a good way to find the median value in a table of unkown
number
of records?

I can't find anything in Access and I have some ideas, but I hate to
re-invent the wheel.

Thanks.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com



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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Nov  6 15:46:38 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:46:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
Message-ID: <027d01c3a4af$74ef7cb0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an application into a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user manual. Its for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.  

I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very little formatting and graphics.  

The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and lines.  And since the manual changes I don't want to go through that handcrafting this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can crop and zoom etc.

Does anyone know how this can be done?

Regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov  6 15:58:11 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:58:11 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312425@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I don't know of any easy way.  We do screen captures of ours for that
purpose, since rtf is useless for graphics.  Or you can print them to a
pdf printer .

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:47 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word


Dear List:

I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an application into
a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user manual. Its
for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.  

I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
little formatting and graphics.  

The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and lines.  And
since the manual changes I don't want to go through that handcrafting
this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can crop and zoom
etc.

Does anyone know how this can be done?

Regards,

Rocky Smolin
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov  6 16:39:23 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 08:39:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Omit Records from Report Total
In-Reply-To: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D781F@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Message-ID: <3FAB5A3B.23650.1ED3C7@localhost>

Use: 

=Sum(IIf([ProposalStatus]="Lost",0,[Amount])

On 6 Nov 2003 at 11:12, Mark Boyd wrote:

> I have a table with 3 fields: [Office], [ProposalStatus], and [Amount].
> 
> In my report, I group on [Office], with [ProposalStatus] and [Amount] in
> the Detail section.
> 
> In the [Office] Footer, I have a textbox with a control source of
> '=Sum([Amount])'.
> 
> However, I have been informed that this textbox should not include
> records with a [ProposalStatus] of 'Lost'.
> 
> Therefore, I need the textbox to be the total amount of all records that
> have a [ProposalStatus] <> 'Lost'.
> 
>  
> 
> Is there any way to do this?
> 
>  
> 
> Mark Boyd
> 
> Sr. Systems Analyst
> 
> McBee Associates, Inc.
> 
>  
> 
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From sgoodhall at comcast.net  Thu Nov  6 17:55:39 2003
From: sgoodhall at comcast.net (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:55:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Access Traffic Query
In-Reply-To: <3FAAD907.13187.768AC@localhost>
Message-ID: <GOEIJOAPGAMPLIOCMEPMAEMDCLAA.sgoodhall@comcast.net>

A couple of points (3 actually)

1. Even if you split it, the processing will still all take place on the
desktop.  The primary benefits of splitting have to do compressibility and
version control.
2. It is a good idea to split it anyway, and not that tough.
3. Even if you use SQL or MSDE, it is still pretty easy to mess it up so
that the processing takes place on the desktop.

Regards,

Steve Goodhall


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 8:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Access Traffic Query


On 6 Nov 2003 at 13:24, paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:

> To all, We have a Win2000 Server network with Office XP Professional
> using Access XP, we don't have a front-end or back-end to this system
> (I inherited it, lucky me).  So everyone has a shortcut to the .mdb on
> the Server, when a query is run on the .mdb is it the Server that will
> do the processing or the desktop unit of the user ? Anybody know how it
> actually works, cause I may have to modify the Aplication. Paul

The  desktop does all the processing.

It is behaving exactly it would if the application was on a local
disk (only it takes longer to pull everything over the network than
it would from a local drive).
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From scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com  Thu Nov  6 19:03:54 2003
From: scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com (Steve Capistrant)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:03:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312425@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGAELLDAAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>

Help!!  Our main database has been corrupted, displaying this:

" Run-time Error '-2147417848 (80010108): Method 'SourceObject' of object
'_SubForm' failed "

from a variety of contexts.  How do I shake it?   Nothing in MSKB.  We're
using Source Safe, and even totally rebuilt versions still have the
corruption, and it happens on all workstations.  Triggered on lines like
this:
forms!frmPerson!subSection.ControlSource = "frmPerson_SubVolunteer"

Steve Capistrant
Symphony Information Services
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 763-391-7400
7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
Brooklyn Park, MN 55428




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov  6 19:28:33 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:28:33 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3F4@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Is that the literal error message, or do 'SourceObject' and '_SubForm'
stand as placeholders?   What version of Access are you using and What
file format?  Are you getting the message when someone attempts to run
the application using the runtime engine or is it an error that
*happens* at runtime?  Is the error triggered on methods like
"ControlSource" or did you mean "SourceObject" rather than what you
typed?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Capistrant [mailto:scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...


Help!!  Our main database has been corrupted, displaying this:

" Run-time Error '-2147417848 (80010108): Method 'SourceObject' of
object '_SubForm' failed "

from a variety of contexts.  How do I shake it?   Nothing in MSKB.
We're
using Source Safe, and even totally rebuilt versions still have the
corruption, and it happens on all workstations.  Triggered on lines like
this:
forms!frmPerson!subSection.ControlSource = "frmPerson_SubVolunteer"

Steve Capistrant
Symphony Information Services
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 763-391-7400
7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
Brooklyn Park, MN 55428



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From scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com  Thu Nov  6 19:28:56 2003
From: scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com (Steve Capistrant)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:28:56 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...
In-Reply-To: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGAELLDAAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>
Message-ID: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGOELLDAAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>

And I've started from scratch using a virgin database and importing all
objects. Still no go.

Steve Capistrant
Symphony Information Services
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 763-391-7400
7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
Brooklyn Park, MN 55428

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steve
Capistrant
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...


Help!!  Our main database has been corrupted, displaying this:

" Run-time Error '-2147417848 (80010108): Method 'SourceObject' of object
'_SubForm' failed "

from a variety of contexts.  How do I shake it?   Nothing in MSKB.  We're
using Source Safe, and even totally rebuilt versions still have the
corruption, and it happens on all workstations.  Triggered on lines like
this:
forms!frmPerson!subSection.ControlSource = "frmPerson_SubVolunteer"

Steve Capistrant
Symphony Information Services
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 763-391-7400
7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
Brooklyn Park, MN 55428



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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Nov  6 19:44:44 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:44:44 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Passive shutdown.... Driving me mad
References: <001501c3a4a3$455ad0f0$590b6bd5@netboxxp>
Message-ID: <3FAAF90C.5030006@shaw.ca>

Some things to check

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=274211
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=198756

On some versions of Access when you use "File | Open..." instead of 
using the  shortcut, you will see a
checkbox on the file open dialog with "Exclusive" next to  it. Make sure 
you don't open the db with this  checked.


Error 3734  This error occurs when the new passive
shutdown / connection control is being used.   This indicates that a user
set the database in a mode that prevents other database users from opening
it."

         When all users close the database, is there a locking file left
behind? It will be in the same folder as your database with the same name
and the extension .ldb. Delete it this file, it should be deleted when the
last user closes the database. You may need to reboot if windows will not
let you delete the file.

           If this does not resolve the problem, you may wish to create a
new database and import all objects from the old database in case the
database file is corrupted.

Related article:
Q274211 - PRB: Error Msg. 3734 Occurs When You Repeatedly Open & Close MDB

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q274/2/11.asp


MarkH wrote:

>Hi all...
>
>I have a database (Access XP 2002 format) on widows XP, data in a
>separate backend etc. When I try to connect to the front-end (generating
>reports using ADO in Excel from temp data stored in the FE) I get the
>following message:
>
>"The database has been placed in a state by user on machine 
>that prevents it from being opened or locked. (Error 3734)
>This error occurs when the new passive shutdown/connection control is
>being
>used. This error message indicates that a user set the database in a
>mode
>that will prevent other users from opening it."
>
>I have looked in the help and searched the archives and can't figure it
>out. The backends access, not SQL Server, I'm the only user (at present)
>and I haven't opened the database exclusively or messed with this
>"damned" connection control...
>
>Any one out there know whats going on? (apart from me climbing the walls
>that is)
>
>Cheers
>
>Mark
>
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From scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com  Thu Nov  6 19:55:18 2003
From: scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com (Steve Capistrant)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:55:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3F4@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGKELNDAAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>

Charlotte,

1. Yes, that's the literal message, referring to object names that are not
found anywhere in my code or object set.
2.  Using Access 2000.
3.  I don't understand your distinction about runtime engines.  The app
compiles cleanly, and compacts without complaint.  But when I start hitting
a few areas with subforms, I get a hailstorm of these errors.  I can turn on
error pausing and see where it trips up, and the code lines are all
different, but they do have the common thread of assigning various subform
names to the container form's subform's SourceObject.
4.  Oops, you are right -- I meant "SourceObject".  The offending lines read
like:
forms!frmPerson!subSection.SourceObject = "frmPerson_SubVolunteer"

Steve Capistrant
Symphony Information Services
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 763-391-7400
7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
Brooklyn Park, MN 55428

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...


Is that the literal error message, or do 'SourceObject' and '_SubForm'
stand as placeholders?   What version of Access are you using and What
file format?  Are you getting the message when someone attempts to run
the application using the runtime engine or is it an error that
*happens* at runtime?  Is the error triggered on methods like
"ControlSource" or did you mean "SourceObject" rather than what you
typed?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Capistrant [mailto:scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...


Help!!  Our main database has been corrupted, displaying this:

" Run-time Error '-2147417848 (80010108): Method 'SourceObject' of
object '_SubForm' failed "

from a variety of contexts.  How do I shake it?   Nothing in MSKB.
We're
using Source Safe, and even totally rebuilt versions still have the
corruption, and it happens on all workstations.  Triggered on lines like
this:
forms!frmPerson!subSection.ControlSource = "frmPerson_SubVolunteer"

Steve Capistrant
Symphony Information Services
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 763-391-7400
7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
Brooklyn Park, MN 55428



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From GordonS2 at pacbell.net  Thu Nov  6 23:41:40 2003
From: GordonS2 at pacbell.net (Gordon Stubbs)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:41:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
In-Reply-To: <027d01c3a4af$74ef7cb0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <000701c3a4f1$d2c97ec0$0200a8c0@Home1>

Rocky,

I use ScreenHunter. This program lets me capture any screen by full
screen, active window or by click and drag.  The program will auto name
the files using a base name and a changing number to any directory I
want.  The program saves In Bitmap, Jpeg or Gif formats.

I then import them into word and size them  and write my manual around
them.

The best part is the program is free, they also have a paid version that
does more.

You can go to their website  http://www.wisdom-soft.com/ or email me at
my address GordonS at GSDbSolutions.com and I'll send the free program to
you.\
The program is 381KB in size.


Gordon



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:47 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word

Dear List:

I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an application into
a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user manual. Its
for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.  

I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
little formatting and graphics.  

The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and lines.  And
since the manual changes I don't want to go through that handcrafting
this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can crop and zoom
etc.

Does anyone know how this can be done?

Regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov  6 20:57:23 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:57:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
In-Reply-To: <000701c3a4f1$d2c97ec0$0200a8c0@Home1>
References: <027d01c3a4af$74ef7cb0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <3FAB96B3.31294.B69EF@localhost>

The freeware Irfanview is also a good tool for this sort of thing.
http://www.irfanview.com

On 6 Nov 2003 at 21:41, Gordon Stubbs wrote:

> Rocky,
> 
> I use ScreenHunter. This program lets me capture any screen by full
> screen, active window or by click and drag.  The program will auto name
> the files using a base name and a changing number to any directory I
> want.  The program saves In Bitmap, Jpeg or Gif formats.
> 
> I then import them into word and size them  and write my manual around
> them.
> 
> The best part is the program is free, they also have a paid version that
> does more.
> 
> You can go to their website  http://www.wisdom-soft.com/ or email me at
> my address GordonS at GSDbSolutions.com and I'll send the free program to
> you.\
> The program is 381KB in size.
> 
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:47 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> 
> Dear List:
> 
> I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an application into
> a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user manual. Its
> for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.  
> 
> I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
> it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
> little formatting and graphics.  
> 
> The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and lines.  And
> since the manual changes I don't want to go through that handcrafting
> this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
> footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
> directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can crop and zoom
> etc.
> 
> Does anyone know how this can be done?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Nov  6 21:41:57 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:41:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
References: <000701c3a4f1$d2c97ec0$0200a8c0@Home1>
Message-ID: <03ca01c3a4e1$18379ac0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Gordon and Stuart:

I've tried the screen captures but they didn't work.  Most of the reports
are in landscape and by the time I display the whole page on the screen the
resolution is too low to make a good printable page in a word doc.

What I really need is a way to output the report to a format that can be
imported into Word - like a jpg format, perhaps.  I tried snapview but the
.snp format isn't compatible with anything.  I tried cutepdf but the .pdf
format isn't compatible with anything either. :(


Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gordon Stubbs" <GordonS2 at pacbell.net>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:41 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word


> Rocky,
>
> I use ScreenHunter. This program lets me capture any screen by full
> screen, active window or by click and drag.  The program will auto name
> the files using a base name and a changing number to any directory I
> want.  The program saves In Bitmap, Jpeg or Gif formats.
>
> I then import them into word and size them  and write my manual around
> them.
>
> The best part is the program is free, they also have a paid version that
> does more.
>
> You can go to their website  http://www.wisdom-soft.com/ or email me at
> my address GordonS at GSDbSolutions.com and I'll send the free program to
> you.\
> The program is 381KB in size.
>
>
> Gordon
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:47 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
>
> Dear List:
>
> I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an application into
> a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user manual. Its
> for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.
>
> I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
> it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
> little formatting and graphics.
>
> The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and lines.  And
> since the manual changes I don't want to go through that handcrafting
> this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
> footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
> directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can crop and zoom
> etc.
>
> Does anyone know how this can be done?
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Nov  6 22:23:31 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:23:31 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312425@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <03e901c3a4e6$e6ecae50$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Charlotte:

I tried printing to pdf using cutepdf and it worked real well except now how
do I get it into a word doc for the manual?  Is there a way to do that?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:58 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word


> I don't know of any easy way.  We do screen captures of ours for that
> purpose, since rtf is useless for graphics.  Or you can print them to a
> pdf printer .
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:47 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an application into
> a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user manual. Its
> for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.
>
> I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
> it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
> little formatting and graphics.
>
> The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and lines.  And
> since the manual changes I don't want to go through that handcrafting
> this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
> footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
> directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can crop and zoom
> etc.
>
> Does anyone know how this can be done?
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software _______________________________________________
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov  6 22:31:24 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 23:31:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
References: 	<E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312425@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
	<03e901c3a4e6$e6ecae50$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <000c01c3a4e8$10b60c80$210110ac@SUSANONE>

Doesn't CutePDF export?

Susan H.


> Charlotte:
>
> I tried printing to pdf using cutepdf and it worked real well except now
how
> do I get it into a word doc for the manual?  Is there a way to do that?
>



From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Thu Nov  6 22:50:33 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:50:33 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
In-Reply-To: <03e901c3a4e6$e6ecae50$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuWkgX8A@pacific.net.hk>

Just did a quick search.

While this isn't free, it seems to do what you need.

http://www.print-driver.com/

What it does is install a new printer driver.  When you choose to print to this,
it will render the print output to an image file.

There maybe a free alterative if someone does a search. I found another one that
is shareware. 
http://www.newfreeware.com/search.php3?q=image+print+driver

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, 07 November, 2003 12:24 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> 
> 
> Charlotte:
> 
> I tried printing to pdf using cutepdf and it worked real well 
> except now how
> do I get it into a word doc for the manual?  Is there a way 
> to do that?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:58 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> 
> 
> > I don't know of any easy way.  We do screen captures of 
> ours for that
> > purpose, since rtf is useless for graphics.  Or you can 
> print them to a
> > pdf printer .
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:47 PM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an 
> application into
> > a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user 
> manual. Its
> > for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.
> >
> > I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
> > it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
> > little formatting and graphics.
> >
> > The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and 
> lines.  And
> > since the manual changes I don't want to go through that 
> handcrafting
> > this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
> > footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
> > directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can 
> crop and zoom
> > etc.
> >
> > Does anyone know how this can be done?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software 
> _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Nov  6 22:59:20 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 20:59:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...
References: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGKELNDAAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>
Message-ID: <3FAB26A8.3050601@shaw.ca>

I just wonder if it could be something along these lines
To refer to a control on a subform, use the following syntax:

Forms![main form name]![subform control name].Form![control name]

It is important to note that you cannot refer to controls on a subform 
with the following syntax:
Forms![subform name]![control name]

This is because a subform on a main form is not a form, but is a control 
just like a text box or a list box. You must refer to a subform as a 
control rather than a form, and specify the Form identifier following 
the subform control name reference to gain access to the controls on a 
subform.

ACC2000: How to Refer to a Control on a Subform or Subreport
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;209099&Product=acc
Steve Capistrant wrote:

>Charlotte,
>
>1. Yes, that's the literal message, referring to object names that are not
>found anywhere in my code or object set.
>2.  Using Access 2000.
>3.  I don't understand your distinction about runtime engines.  The app
>compiles cleanly, and compacts without complaint.  But when I start hitting
>a few areas with subforms, I get a hailstorm of these errors.  I can turn on
>error pausing and see where it trips up, and the code lines are all
>different, but they do have the common thread of assigning various subform
>names to the container form's subform's SourceObject.
>4.  Oops, you are right -- I meant "SourceObject".  The offending lines read
>like:
>forms!frmPerson!subSection.SourceObject = "frmPerson_SubVolunteer"
>
>Steve Capistrant
>Symphony Information Services
>scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
>www.symphonyinfo.com
>Phone: 763-391-7400
>7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
>Brooklyn Park, MN 55428
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:29 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...
>
>
>Is that the literal error message, or do 'SourceObject' and '_SubForm'
>stand as placeholders?   What version of Access are you using and What
>file format?  Are you getting the message when someone attempts to run
>the application using the runtime engine or is it an error that
>*happens* at runtime?  Is the error triggered on methods like
>"ControlSource" or did you mean "SourceObject" rather than what you
>typed?
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Capistrant [mailto:scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com]
>Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:04 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...
>
>
>Help!!  Our main database has been corrupted, displaying this:
>
>" Run-time Error '-2147417848 (80010108): Method 'SourceObject' of
>object '_SubForm' failed "
>
>from a variety of contexts.  How do I shake it?   Nothing in MSKB.
>We're
>using Source Safe, and even totally rebuilt versions still have the
>corruption, and it happens on all workstations.  Triggered on lines like
>this:
>forms!frmPerson!subSection.ControlSource = "frmPerson_SubVolunteer"
>
>Steve Capistrant
>Symphony Information Services
>scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
>www.symphonyinfo.com
>Phone: 763-391-7400
>7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
>Brooklyn Park, MN 55428
>
>
>
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Nov  6 23:44:29 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:44:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
References: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuWkgX8A@pacific.net.hk>
Message-ID: <043b01c3a4f2$3692ff30$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Stuart:

Thanks for the links.  The second one looks like a screen capture so I don't
think it will do but the first one seems to work well in the demo.  It's $70
for the business version, but I may have to bite that bullet if I can't
figure another way.  It makes very nice jpg files which you can import to
word and stretch to fit the page.

Regards,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 8:50 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word


Just did a quick search.

While this isn't free, it seems to do what you need.

http://www.print-driver.com/

What it does is install a new printer driver.  When you choose to print to
this,
it will render the print output to an image file.

There maybe a free alterative if someone does a search. I found another one
that
is shareware.
http://www.newfreeware.com/search.php3?q=image+print+driver

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, 07 November, 2003 12:24 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
>
>
> Charlotte:
>
> I tried printing to pdf using cutepdf and it worked real well
> except now how
> do I get it into a word doc for the manual?  Is there a way
> to do that?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:58 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
>
>
> > I don't know of any easy way.  We do screen captures of
> ours for that
> > purpose, since rtf is useless for graphics.  Or you can
> print them to a
> > pdf printer .
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:47 PM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an
> application into
> > a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user
> manual. Its
> > for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.
> >
> > I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
> > it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
> > little formatting and graphics.
> >
> > The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and
> lines.  And
> > since the manual changes I don't want to go through that
> handcrafting
> > this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
> > footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
> > directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can
> crop and zoom
> > etc.
> >
> > Does anyone know how this can be done?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
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From allcop.pc at t-online.de  Fri Nov  7 01:40:14 2003
From: allcop.pc at t-online.de (Bettina Giehr)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:40:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Re : dynamic Calendar report
In-Reply-To: <200311061800.hA6I0H626404@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3a502$64868140$0933a8c0@allcopgiehr>

Hi Lonnie,

I have worked with the datasphere calendar forms and liked it. It needs
some programming skills though. The price was $99 at the time I bought
it. There's a demo download on the website
I'm not sure whether you can do real calendar printouts, but the forms
are having calendar look and feel.

http://www.datasphere-llc.com

Or maybe you can use Outlook for your needs, I have no experience with
the programming interface for outlook but there are some people on the
list who are gurus...

HTH 
Bettina


From bill.marriott at optusnet.com.au  Fri Nov  7 02:08:43 2003
From: bill.marriott at optusnet.com.au (Bill & Janine Marriott)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:08:43 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] uploading data from an fixed field length txt file
In-Reply-To: <000001c3a502$64868140$0933a8c0@allcopgiehr>
Message-ID: <000001c3a506$5dd17220$4211a4cb@marriott>



Hi Everyone,

I haven't visited this site for a while. Nice to see some old familiar
faces.

Does anyone know where I can look for code samples for uploading data
from a text file into Access xp?

Thanks

Bill Marriott 



From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov  7 03:30:00 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:30:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Median Number
In-Reply-To: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHGEIBEPAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
References: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHGEIBEPAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <1155443056.20031107103000@cactus.dk>

Hi Reuben

> Anyone have a good way to find the median value in a table of unkown number
> of records?

You could look up our own list at 2001-03-06:

<quote>

Sub GetTableMedian ()
  Dim dblMedian As Double
  dblMedian = GetTableMedian ("", "tblData", "FieldName")
  Debug.Print (dblMedian)
End Sub

Function GetTableMedian(strDatabase As String, strTable As String, strField
As String) As Double
  'strDatabase - name of the database to look in or "" for the current
database
  'strTable - name of the table to analyze
  'strField - name of the field to analyze
  'Returns: median

  Dim dbsTemp As Database
  Dim rstTemp As Recordset
  Dim strSQL As String
  Dim lngElements As Long
  Dim lngIndex As Long
  Dim fInterpolate As Boolean
  Dim dblMedian As Double

  If strDatabase = "" Then
    Set dbsTemp = CurrentDb()
  Else
    Set dbsTemp = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).OpenDatabase(strDatabase)
  End If

  strSQL = "SELECT DISTINCTROW [" & strField & "] FROM [" & strTable & "] "
  strSQL = strSQL & "WHERE ([" & strField & "] Is Not Null) "
  strSQL = strSQL & "ORDER BY [" & strField & "];"

  Set rstTemp = dbsTemp.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
  If Not rstTemp.EOF Then
    rstTemp.MoveLast
    lngElements = rstTemp.RecordCount
    If lngElements = 1 Then
      dblMedian = rstTemp(strField)
    Else
      lngIndex = Int((lngElements + 1) / 2)
      fInterpolate = (lngElements Mod 2 = 0)
      rstTemp.MoveFirst
      rstTemp.Move (lngIndex - 1)
      dblMedian = rstTemp(strField)
      If fInterpolate Then
        rstTemp.MoveNext
        dblMedian = (dblMedian + rstTemp(strField)) / 2
      End If
    End If
  Else
    dblMedian = 0
  End If

  rstTemp.Close
  dbsTemp.Close

  GetTableMedian = dblMedian

End Function

William Hindman

</quote>

/gustav


From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Fri Nov  7 03:34:44 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:34:44 -0000 
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BEAC@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Bit late into this topic - sorry.

I think this is caused by Word (and probably other apps.) changing docs to
use your default printer. If you open a doc created or modified by someone
else who has a different default printer, the app. has to reformat it. But
if you are opening and close Word docs "all day long" it does not have to
change the printer setting more than once.

HTH - Chris Foote

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:21 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> 
> 
> On 5 Nov 2003 at 17:07, Ron  Allen wrote:
> 
> > It is wanting to save because the last opened date has 
> > changed, so it sees the document as having been changed. 
> > Annoying, huh?
> 
> Nope. I don't think that this is the reason. I open and close Word 
> docs all day long and only have the Save prompt show up when I 
> actually change the doc or there are fields in the doc that get 
> updated, and I have Word set to update all fields when it opens and 
> prints.
> 
> Docs without fields don't have the prompt for me.
> 
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell
> 

From j.r.porter at strath.ac.uk  Fri Nov  7 04:19:40 2003
From: j.r.porter at strath.ac.uk (John R. Porter)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:19:40 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Median Number
In-Reply-To: <1155443056.20031107103000@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001a01c3a518$a8285700$94249f82@ds.strath.ac.uk>

This can also be done (faster I expect) by a SQL statement without coding
and ADO or DAO as the case may be, though the SQL is quite complex. If you
can get hold of it, there's an excellent article about this in the May 2003
issue of 'Smart Access' magazine. You can get a trial subscription at
http://www.pinpub.com/html/main.isx?sub=29

John R. Porter
I.T. Services
University of Strathclyde
Faculty of Education
76 Southbrae Drive
Glasgow
G13 1PP
e-mail: j.r.porter at strath.ac.uk
Tel. 0141 950 3289


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 07 November 2003 09:30
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Median Number


Hi Reuben

> Anyone have a good way to find the median value in a table of unkown
number
> of records?

You could look up our own list at 2001-03-06:

<quote>

Sub GetTableMedian ()
  Dim dblMedian As Double
  dblMedian = GetTableMedian ("", "tblData", "FieldName")
  Debug.Print (dblMedian)
End Sub

Function GetTableMedian(strDatabase As String, strTable As String, strField
As String) As Double
  'strDatabase - name of the database to look in or "" for the current
database
  'strTable - name of the table to analyze
  'strField - name of the field to analyze
  'Returns: median

  Dim dbsTemp As Database
  Dim rstTemp As Recordset
  Dim strSQL As String
  Dim lngElements As Long
  Dim lngIndex As Long
  Dim fInterpolate As Boolean
  Dim dblMedian As Double

  If strDatabase = "" Then
    Set dbsTemp = CurrentDb()
  Else
    Set dbsTemp = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).OpenDatabase(strDatabase)
  End If

  strSQL = "SELECT DISTINCTROW [" & strField & "] FROM [" & strTable & "] "
  strSQL = strSQL & "WHERE ([" & strField & "] Is Not Null) "
  strSQL = strSQL & "ORDER BY [" & strField & "];"

  Set rstTemp = dbsTemp.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
  If Not rstTemp.EOF Then
    rstTemp.MoveLast
    lngElements = rstTemp.RecordCount
    If lngElements = 1 Then
      dblMedian = rstTemp(strField)
    Else
      lngIndex = Int((lngElements + 1) / 2)
      fInterpolate = (lngElements Mod 2 = 0)
      rstTemp.MoveFirst
      rstTemp.Move (lngIndex - 1)
      dblMedian = rstTemp(strField)
      If fInterpolate Then
        rstTemp.MoveNext
        dblMedian = (dblMedian + rstTemp(strField)) / 2
      End If
    End If
  Else
    dblMedian = 0
  End If

  rstTemp.Close
  dbsTemp.Close

  GetTableMedian = dblMedian

End Function

William Hindman

</quote>

/gustav

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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Fri Nov  7 04:39:55 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 21:39:55 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] uploading data from an fixed field length txt file
References: <000001c3a506$5dd17220$4211a4cb@marriott>
Message-ID: <000f01c3a51b$7cd80de0$97449a89@DDICK>

Hi Bill the cow chaser
Great to see you back
Dunno 'bout AccessXp but A2k and A97 can do it

With a MACRO
Look at 'TransferText' in the "Action" Column
TABLE
Also if it is a known and stable - reliable fixed length you can link it as a table
just using the normal link table wizard

Good luck

Darren


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill & Janine Marriott" <bill.marriott at optusnet.com.au>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 7:08 PM
Subject: [AccessD] uploading data from an fixed field length txt file


> 
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I haven't visited this site for a while. Nice to see some old familiar
> faces.
> 
> Does anyone know where I can look for code samples for uploading data
> from a text file into Access xp?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Bill Marriott 
> 
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov  7 05:16:16 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:16:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
In-Reply-To: <027d01c3a4af$74ef7cb0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
References: <027d01c3a4af$74ef7cb0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <17911819175.20031107121616@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

No, screen captures - however they are made - won't do as the
resolution is too low and the screen display by Access is sometimes a
little distorted.

For a manual we wrote some years ago we printed to a fax printer
driver (ObjectFax). 
The output files could be converted to pcx files which we by some
trial and error managed to insert sligtly scaled down in Lotus Ami Pro
with a border and shadow - it was perfect.
Tobit FaxWare/David also has conversion utilities and I guess most
other fax printing software has as well.

Another solution is to print to a pdf file and open this in Acrobat
Reader. Then print to AmyUni's EMF printer driver which creates one
EMF file for each page. Although the included license file claims the
driver to be an evaluation copy, the download page says otherwise -
that it is free to use; stick to that:

  http://www.amyuni.com/en/support/downloads.html

At installation, specify the directory (which must exist) where the
driver should create the EMF files. Try opening the pdf file you last
wieved and print - the output file is large but excellent.

If you manage to get this to do what you want, please share your
solution!

/gustav


> I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an application
> into a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user
> manual. Its for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.  

> I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
> it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
> little formatting and graphics.  

> The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and lines.
> And since the manual changes I don't want to go through that
> handcrafting this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers,
> headers and footers, and then trying to use those to print the
> reports on them directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where
> I can crop and zoom etc.   


From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Fri Nov  7 06:18:54 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:18:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C87C@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Guess there is no way to stop this from occurring. Something they will have
to live with I guess when they view the Word file.

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Foote, Chris [mailto:Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 3:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document


Bit late into this topic - sorry.

I think this is caused by Word (and probably other apps.) changing docs to
use your default printer. If you open a doc created or modified by someone
else who has a different default printer, the app. has to reformat it. But
if you are opening and close Word docs "all day long" it does not have to
change the printer setting more than once.

HTH - Chris Foote

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:21 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> 
> 
> On 5 Nov 2003 at 17:07, Ron  Allen wrote:
> 
> > It is wanting to save because the last opened date has 
> > changed, so it sees the document as having been changed. 
> > Annoying, huh?
> 
> Nope. I don't think that this is the reason. I open and close Word 
> docs all day long and only have the Save prompt show up when I 
> actually change the doc or there are fields in the doc that get 
> updated, and I have Word set to update all fields when it opens and 
> prints.
> 
> Docs without fields don't have the prompt for me.
> 
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell
> 
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From pedro at plex.nl  Fri Nov  7 13:40:21 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:40:21 (MET)
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working? 
Message-ID: <200311071240.hA7CeLEU010929@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hello Jeffrey,

i will try this. thanks for the solution.

Pedro Janssen







The function would probably look something like this:

Function MyExample (mycode, mytelling)  as Double
     Dim mymultipler as double
     Select Case mycode
          Case 501
               mymultipler = 1
          Case 503
               mymultipler = 2
          Case 507
               mymultipler = 2
          Case 506
               mymultipler = .67
          Case 502
               mymultipler = .4
          Case 522
               mymultipler = .4
          Case 542
               mymultipler = .2
          Case 500
               mymultipler = 0
     End Select

     MyExample = mytelling * myultipler

End Function

The next step would be to use it in your query something like the
following:
MyExample([Code], [Telling]) AS Resultaat_Telling FROM TellingCode;


                                                                                                                                 
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From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Fri Nov  7 06:42:26 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:42:26 -0000 
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BEB3@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Virginia,

if your users all have the same default printer I don't think this would
happen!

Chris F

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:19 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> 
> 
> Guess there is no way to stop this from occurring. Something 
> they will have
> to live with I guess when they view the Word file.
> 
> Virginia
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Foote, Chris [mailto:Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 3:35 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> 
> 
> Bit late into this topic - sorry.
> 
> I think this is caused by Word (and probably other apps.) 
> changing docs to
> use your default printer. If you open a doc created or 
> modified by someone
> else who has a different default printer, the app. has to 
> reformat it. But
> if you are opening and close Word docs "all day long" it does 
> not have to
> change the printer setting more than once.
> 
> HTH - Chris Foote
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:21 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> > 
> > 
> > On 5 Nov 2003 at 17:07, Ron  Allen wrote:
> > 
> > > It is wanting to save because the last opened date has 
> > > changed, so it sees the document as having been changed. 
> > > Annoying, huh?
> > 
> > Nope. I don't think that this is the reason. I open and close Word 
> > docs all day long and only have the Save prompt show up when I 
> > actually change the doc or there are fields in the doc that get 
> > updated, and I have Word set to update all fields when it opens and 
> > prints.
> > 
> > Docs without fields don't have the prompt for me.
> > 
> > --
> > Bryan Carbonnell
> > 
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From pedro at plex.nl  Fri Nov  7 13:48:02 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:48:02 (MET)
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
Message-ID: <200311071248.hA7Cm2EU011273@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hello Gustav, Jim and others,

i tried your solution, and also changed comma's to points as Jim suggested, but i still get an error: Wrong number of arguments used with function ??????

What could be the problem know?


Pedro








Hi Pedro

It should probably read:

iif([Code]='501',[Telling]*1,iif([Code]='503',[Telling]*2,iif([Code]='507',[Telling]*2,iif([Code]='506',[Telling]*0,67,iif([Code]='502',[Telling]*0,4,iif([Code]='522',[Telling]*0,4,iif([Code]='542',[Telling]*0,2,iif([Code]='500',[Telling]*0,0))))))))

/gustav

> i can't seem to let this query work. Why?

> Pedro Janssen


> SELECT
> iif([Code]='501',[Telling]*1),iif([Code]='503',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='507',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='506',[Telling]*0,67),iif([Code]='502',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]='522',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]='542',[Telling]*0,2),iif([Code]='500',[Telling]*0)
> AS Resultaat_Telling
> FROM TellingCode;

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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Fri Nov  7 06:53:54 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 07:53:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
Message-ID: <sfab4f9e.065@cbc.ca>

It will if there are fields in the doc.

I just opened a Word doc, no fields, but created with a different
default printer (I had this file e-mailed to me from someone else) and
opened and closed it. No save prompt.

I don't think that the default printer makes a difference. I'd bet
dollars to donuts that the fields are causing the problem.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

--
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>>> Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com 07-Nov-03 7:42:26 AM >>>
Virginia,

if your users all have the same default printer I don't think this
would
happen!

Chris F

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:19 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> 
> 
> Guess there is no way to stop this from occurring. Something 
> they will have
> to live with I guess when they view the Word file.
> 
> Virginia
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Foote, Chris [mailto:Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com] 
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 3:35 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> 
> 
> Bit late into this topic - sorry.
> 
> I think this is caused by Word (and probably other apps.) 
> changing docs to
> use your default printer. If you open a doc created or 
> modified by someone
> else who has a different default printer, the app. has to 
> reformat it. But
> if you are opening and close Word docs "all day long" it does 
> not have to
> change the printer setting more than once.
> 
> HTH - Chris Foote
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:21 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> > 
> > 
> > On 5 Nov 2003 at 17:07, Ron  Allen wrote:
> > 
> > > It is wanting to save because the last opened date has 
> > > changed, so it sees the document as having been changed. 
> > > Annoying, huh?
> > 
> > Nope. I don't think that this is the reason. I open and close Word

> > docs all day long and only have the Save prompt show up when I 
> > actually change the doc or there are fields in the doc that get 
> > updated, and I have Word set to update all fields when it opens and

> > prints.
> > 
> > Docs without fields don't have the prompt for me.


From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Fri Nov  7 06:57:23 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 07:57:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
Message-ID: <sfab5072.091@cbc.ca>

Rocky,

Are you distributing the manual as a Word doc?

If you are why don't you distribute it as a PDF. Then you can print
sample reports as PDFs and insert pages from the report PDF into the
Manual PDF where you want and have one electronic file.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> bchacc at san.rr.com 06-Nov-03 4:46:38 PM >>>
Dear List:

I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an application
into a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user manual.
Its for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.  

I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
little formatting and graphics.  

The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and lines.  And
since the manual changes I don't want to go through that handcrafting
this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can crop and zoom
etc.

Does anyone know how this can be done?

Regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Fri Nov  7 06:58:19 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:58:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C884@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

No, everyone uses different printers & all types & brands.

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Foote, Chris [mailto:Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 6:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document


Virginia,

if your users all have the same default printer I don't think this would
happen!

Chris F

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:19 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> 
> 
> Guess there is no way to stop this from occurring. Something 
> they will have
> to live with I guess when they view the Word file.
> 
> Virginia
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Foote, Chris [mailto:Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 3:35 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> 
> 
> Bit late into this topic - sorry.
> 
> I think this is caused by Word (and probably other apps.) 
> changing docs to
> use your default printer. If you open a doc created or 
> modified by someone
> else who has a different default printer, the app. has to 
> reformat it. But
> if you are opening and close Word docs "all day long" it does 
> not have to
> change the printer setting more than once.
> 
> HTH - Chris Foote
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:21 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> > 
> > 
> > On 5 Nov 2003 at 17:07, Ron  Allen wrote:
> > 
> > > It is wanting to save because the last opened date has 
> > > changed, so it sees the document as having been changed. 
> > > Annoying, huh?
> > 
> > Nope. I don't think that this is the reason. I open and close Word 
> > docs all day long and only have the Save prompt show up when I 
> > actually change the doc or there are fields in the doc that get 
> > updated, and I have Word set to update all fields when it opens and 
> > prints.
> > 
> > Docs without fields don't have the prompt for me.
> > 
> > --
> > Bryan Carbonnell
> > 
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From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Fri Nov  7 07:02:15 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:02:15 -0000 
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BEB6@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Rats!

I guess you're stuck with it. Unless there's a way to hack Word <bg>

Chris Foote (just off home for the weekend yippee!)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:58 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> 
> 
> No, everyone uses different printers & all types & brands.
> 
> Virginia
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Foote, Chris [mailto:Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 6:42 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> 
> 
> Virginia,
> 
> if your users all have the same default printer I don't think 
> this would
> happen!
> 
> Chris F
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:19 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> > 
> > 
> > Guess there is no way to stop this from occurring. Something 
> > they will have
> > to live with I guess when they view the Word file.
> > 
> > Virginia
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Foote, Chris [mailto:Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com]
> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 3:35 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> > 
> > 
> > Bit late into this topic - sorry.
> > 
> > I think this is caused by Word (and probably other apps.) 
> > changing docs to
> > use your default printer. If you open a doc created or 
> > modified by someone
> > else who has a different default printer, the app. has to 
> > reformat it. But
> > if you are opening and close Word docs "all day long" it does 
> > not have to
> > change the printer setting more than once.
> > 
> > HTH - Chris Foote
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:21 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 5 Nov 2003 at 17:07, Ron  Allen wrote:
> > > 
> > > > It is wanting to save because the last opened date has 
> > > > changed, so it sees the document as having been changed. 
> > > > Annoying, huh?
> > > 
> > > Nope. I don't think that this is the reason. I open and 
> close Word 
> > > docs all day long and only have the Save prompt show up when I 
> > > actually change the doc or there are fields in the doc that get 
> > > updated, and I have Word set to update all fields when it 
> opens and 
> > > prints.
> > > 
> > > Docs without fields don't have the prompt for me.
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Bryan Carbonnell
> > > 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov  7 07:06:55 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:06:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
In-Reply-To: <200311071248.hA7Cm2EU011273@mailhostC.plex.net>
References: <200311071248.hA7Cm2EU011273@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <10818458241.20031107140655@cactus.dk>

Hi Pedro

You still may have mistyped something.
Try with a minimum expression:

   SELECT
     IIf([Code]='542',[Telling]*0.2,0) AS Resultaat_Telling
   FROM
     TellingCode;

If this doesn't work something else is wrong.
If it works, replace 0 with another IIf() construction and so on.

/gustav


> Hello Gustav, Jim and others,

> i tried your solution, and also changed comma's to points as Jim suggested, but i still get an error: Wrong number of arguments used with function ??????

> What could be the problem know?


From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Fri Nov  7 07:59:50 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:59:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Omit Records from Report Total
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D189880@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Thanks Stuart.
I thought it should be this easy, I just couldn't figure it out.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Omit Records from Report Total

Use: 

=Sum(IIf([ProposalStatus]="Lost",0,[Amount])

On 6 Nov 2003 at 11:12, Mark Boyd wrote:

> I have a table with 3 fields: [Office], [ProposalStatus], and
[Amount].
> 
> In my report, I group on [Office], with [ProposalStatus] and [Amount]
in
> the Detail section.
> 
> In the [Office] Footer, I have a textbox with a control source of
> '=Sum([Amount])'.
> 
> However, I have been informed that this textbox should not include
> records with a [ProposalStatus] of 'Lost'.
> 
> Therefore, I need the textbox to be the total amount of all records
that
> have a [ProposalStatus] <> 'Lost'.
> 
>  
> 
> Is there any way to do this?
> 
>  
> 
> Mark Boyd
> 
> Sr. Systems Analyst
> 
> McBee Associates, Inc.
> 
>  
> 
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  7 08:13:23 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 08:13:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
Message-ID: <BAY2-F164WG57m3ovye00023372@hotmail.com>

You don't have a scanner? You could actually print the page you want and 
scan it back in to a jpg. Surely a copy shop would do that for you - or I 
could for that matter if you wanted to send them up here to me in the great 
frozen north.....Scanners are pretty cheap nowadays though.

Granted it's somewhat low-tech.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
>Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:44:29 -0800
>
>Stuart:
>
>Thanks for the links.  The second one looks like a screen capture so I 
>don't
>think it will do but the first one seems to work well in the demo.  It's 
>$70
>for the business version, but I may have to bite that bullet if I can't
>figure another way.  It makes very nice jpg files which you can import to
>word and stretch to fit the page.
>
>Regards,
>
>Rocky
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 8:50 PM
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
>
>
>Just did a quick search.
>
>While this isn't free, it seems to do what you need.
>
>http://www.print-driver.com/
>
>What it does is install a new printer driver.  When you choose to print to
>this,
>it will render the print output to an image file.
>
>There maybe a free alterative if someone does a search. I found another one
>that
>is shareware.
>http://www.newfreeware.com/search.php3?q=image+print+driver
>
>Stuart
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Friday, 07 November, 2003 12:24 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> >
> >
> > Charlotte:
> >
> > I tried printing to pdf using cutepdf and it worked real well
> > except now how
> > do I get it into a word doc for the manual?  Is there a way
> > to do that?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:58 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> >
> >
> > > I don't know of any easy way.  We do screen captures of
> > ours for that
> > > purpose, since rtf is useless for graphics.  Or you can
> > print them to a
> > > pdf printer .
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:47 PM
> > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > > I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an
> > application into
> > > a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user
> > manual. Its
> > > for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.
> > >
> > > I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
> > > it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
> > > little formatting and graphics.
> > >
> > > The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and
> > lines.  And
> > > since the manual changes I don't want to go through that
> > handcrafting
> > > this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
> > > footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
> > > directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can
> > crop and zoom
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know how this can be done?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
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> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> > >
> >
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>
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Nov  7 08:19:24 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 06:19:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
References: <sfab5072.091@cbc.ca>
Message-ID: <003d01c3a53a$251bf020$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Bryan:

No.  It's going to be hard copy.  The app will be about $3k and for that
prospects like to have something in hand.  Gives me a chance to make a nice
binder, as well.  Pouch for the cd, all that.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word


> Rocky,
>
> Are you distributing the manual as a Word doc?
>
> If you are why don't you distribute it as a PDF. Then you can print
> sample reports as PDFs and insert pages from the report PDF into the
> Manual PDF where you want and have one electronic file.
>
> Bryan Carbonnell
> bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca
>
> >>> bchacc at san.rr.com 06-Nov-03 4:46:38 PM >>>
> Dear List:
>
> I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an application
> into a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user manual.
> Its for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.
>
> I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
> it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
> little formatting and graphics.
>
> The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and lines.  And
> since the manual changes I don't want to go through that handcrafting
> this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
> footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
> directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can crop and zoom
> etc.
>
> Does anyone know how this can be done?
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
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From pedro at plex.nl  Fri Nov  7 15:21:50 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:21:50 (MET)
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
Message-ID: <200311071421.hA7ELoEU015213@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hello Gustav,

When i used your minimum expression, there was a querytable in the View, but in the records was standing #Error.
The trouble is that TellingCode is a query. When i made a MakeTableQuery first from TellingCode and did the expression from tblTellingCode it was working. Why isn't the expression working on a query??

Pedro 


In antwoord op:

> From: Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:06:55 +0100
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
> 
> 
> Hi Pedro
> 
> You still may have mistyped something.
> Try with a minimum expression:
> 
>    SELECT
>      IIf([Code]='542',[Telling]*0.2,0) AS Resultaat_Telling
>    FROM
>      TellingCode;
> 
> If this doesn't work something else is wrong.
> If it works, replace 0 with another IIf() construction and so on.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > Hello Gustav, Jim and others,
> 
> > i tried your solution, and also changed comma's to points as Jim suggested, but i still get an error: Wrong number of arguments used with function ??????
> 
> > What could be the problem know?
> 
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  7 08:21:40 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 08:21:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] uploading data from an fixed field length txt file
Message-ID: <BAY2-F114E73MRc3b2q00003417@hotmail.com>

Hi Bill,

I'd recommend Seth Galitzer's Home Page  - under "downloads" & "File I/O in 
VB"

http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax/

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Bill & Janine Marriott" <bill.marriott at optusnet.com.au>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] uploading data from an fixed field length txt file
>Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:08:43 +1100
>
>
>
>Hi Everyone,
>
>I haven't visited this site for a while. Nice to see some old familiar
>faces.
>
>Does anyone know where I can look for code samples for uploading data
>from a text file into Access xp?
>
>Thanks
>
>Bill Marriott
>
>
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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Fri Nov  7 08:28:30 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:28:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Median Number
In-Reply-To: <001a01c3a518$a8285700$94249f82@ds.strath.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHCEIJEPAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

Thanks to everyone responding to my median question.  My mind was asleep
yesterday - I couldn't get any search to find anything.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John R. Porter
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 5:20 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Median Number
>
>
> This can also be done (faster I expect) by a SQL statement without coding
> and ADO or DAO as the case may be, though the SQL is quite complex. If you
> can get hold of it, there's an excellent article about this in
> the May 2003
> issue of 'Smart Access' magazine. You can get a trial subscription at
> http://www.pinpub.com/html/main.isx?sub=29
>
> John R. Porter
> I.T. Services
> University of Strathclyde
> Faculty of Education
> 76 Southbrae Drive
> Glasgow
> G13 1PP
> e-mail: j.r.porter at strath.ac.uk
> Tel. 0141 950 3289
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: 07 November 2003 09:30
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Median Number
>
>
> Hi Reuben
>
> > Anyone have a good way to find the median value in a table of unkown
> number
> > of records?
>
> You could look up our own list at 2001-03-06:
>
> <quote>
>
> Sub GetTableMedian ()
>   Dim dblMedian As Double
>   dblMedian = GetTableMedian ("", "tblData", "FieldName")
>   Debug.Print (dblMedian)
> End Sub
>
> Function GetTableMedian(strDatabase As String, strTable As
> String, strField
> As String) As Double
>   'strDatabase - name of the database to look in or "" for the current
> database
>   'strTable - name of the table to analyze
>   'strField - name of the field to analyze
>   'Returns: median
>
>   Dim dbsTemp As Database
>   Dim rstTemp As Recordset
>   Dim strSQL As String
>   Dim lngElements As Long
>   Dim lngIndex As Long
>   Dim fInterpolate As Boolean
>   Dim dblMedian As Double
>
>   If strDatabase = "" Then
>     Set dbsTemp = CurrentDb()
>   Else
>     Set dbsTemp = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).OpenDatabase(strDatabase)
>   End If
>
>   strSQL = "SELECT DISTINCTROW [" & strField & "] FROM [" &
> strTable & "] "
>   strSQL = strSQL & "WHERE ([" & strField & "] Is Not Null) "
>   strSQL = strSQL & "ORDER BY [" & strField & "];"
>
>   Set rstTemp = dbsTemp.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
>   If Not rstTemp.EOF Then
>     rstTemp.MoveLast
>     lngElements = rstTemp.RecordCount
>     If lngElements = 1 Then
>       dblMedian = rstTemp(strField)
>     Else
>       lngIndex = Int((lngElements + 1) / 2)
>       fInterpolate = (lngElements Mod 2 = 0)
>       rstTemp.MoveFirst
>       rstTemp.Move (lngIndex - 1)
>       dblMedian = rstTemp(strField)
>       If fInterpolate Then
>         rstTemp.MoveNext
>         dblMedian = (dblMedian + rstTemp(strField)) / 2
>       End If
>     End If
>   Else
>     dblMedian = 0
>   End If
>
>   rstTemp.Close
>   dbsTemp.Close
>
>   GetTableMedian = dblMedian
>
> End Function
>
> William Hindman
>
> </quote>
>
> /gustav
>
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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Fri Nov  7 08:36:33 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:36:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
In-Reply-To: <003d01c3a53a$251bf020$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHCEIKEPAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

We use an app called Grabber 2K.  This isn't where I got it, but I just
found it at http://www.webattack.com/get/grabber2k.shtml

You take a screen shot of anything and paste that image into your word
document.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:19 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
>
>
> Bryan:
>
> No.  It's going to be hard copy.  The app will be about $3k and for that
> prospects like to have something in hand.  Gives me a chance to
> make a nice
> binder, as well.  Pouch for the cd, all that.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > Are you distributing the manual as a Word doc?
> >
> > If you are why don't you distribute it as a PDF. Then you can print
> > sample reports as PDFs and insert pages from the report PDF into the
> > Manual PDF where you want and have one electronic file.
> >
> > Bryan Carbonnell
> > bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca
> >
> > >>> bchacc at san.rr.com 06-Nov-03 4:46:38 PM >>>
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an application
> > into a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user manual.
> > Its for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.
> >
> > I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
> > it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
> > little formatting and graphics.
> >
> > The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and lines.  And
> > since the manual changes I don't want to go through that handcrafting
> > this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
> > footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
> > directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can crop and zoom
> > etc.
> >
> > Does anyone know how this can be done?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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>




From caa at highway.com.br  Fri Nov  7 08:49:12 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:49:12 -0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - BE corruption???
In-Reply-To: <3FA83DCE.2010108@shaw.ca>
References: <oprx27avloeuy8y3@localhost> <3FA7CFB9.5090003@verizon.net>
	<3FA83DCE.2010108@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <oprx9vgauaeuy8y3@localhost>

On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:01:18 -0800, MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> 
wrote:

> You must first update to Jet SP3 then update to higher level SP's at 
> least there used to be warnings about this. The highest SP so far is SP7 
> for Win9x and WinNT; SP8 for WinXP 2000 and 2003. SP8 fixes some Oracle 
> interface problems. SP7 and 8 are inclusive of patches from SP 4 through 
> 7
> Jet SP7
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;282010
> Jet 3.5 SP3
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=7e82ef88-52ec-4a8f-8bb2-8b06d6cb668d&DisplayLang=en
>
>
>
> Francisco H Tapia wrote:
>
>> I would try and update his copy of Jet to SP6 to see if your results 
>> change.
>>
>> Carlos Alberto Alves wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Mates:
>>> I would like to have your opinion on this matter. I developed an A2k 
>>> database system with three identical FE's and one BE. It has data from 
>>> jan2001 to now. Upon executing a simple select query I noticed that I 
>>> could not retrieve any records from 2002. The same query executed on a 
>>> BE backup copy from jul2003 returned all due records.
>>> Is this a BE corruption??? I tried ???Compact and repair...???, 
>>> JetComp and import all tables to a new BE with no better results.
>>> Things that called my attention:
>>> 1- I use Jet 4.0 SP6 and my client uses something older than SP3;
>>> 2- I use Access 2000/Office 2000 and my client uses Access 2000/Office 
>>> 97.
>>> Thanks for any input,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Hi People!
Charlotte, Francisco and Marty thanks very much for your input. I have 
already downloaded Jet 4.0 SP3 and SP7 for WinNT. It seems SP6 is not 
available anymore. I was just waiting your opinions to make the update.   
;-)

-- 
**************************************
* Carlos Alberto Alves               *
* Child Neurologist                  *
* Systems Analyst/Programmer         *
* Rio de Janeiro, Brazil             *
* mailto:caa at highway.com.br          *
**************************************

From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov  7 08:50:26 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:50:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
In-Reply-To: <200311071421.hA7ELoEU015213@mailhostC.plex.net>
References: <200311071421.hA7ELoEU015213@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <8324668511.20031107155026@cactus.dk>

Hi Pedro

Perhaps Code is a number and not a string?
If so:
  IIf([Code]=542 ...

Or Telling is a string?

Try:

    SELECT
      [Code]='542' AS CodeTest,
      [Telling]*0.2 AS TellingTest
    FROM
      TellingCode;

/gustav


> Hello Gustav,

> When i used your minimum expression, there was a querytable in the
> View, but in the records was standing #Error. 
> The trouble is that TellingCode is a query. When i made a
> MakeTableQuery first from TellingCode and did the expression from
> tblTellingCode it was working. Why isn't the expression working on a
> query??

>> You still may have mistyped something.
>> Try with a minimum expression:
>> 
>>    SELECT
>>      IIf([Code]='542',[Telling]*0.2,0) AS Resultaat_Telling
>>    FROM
>>      TellingCode;
>> 
>> If this doesn't work something else is wrong.
>> If it works, replace 0 with another IIf() construction and so on.
>> 
>> /gustav
>> 
>> 
>> > Hello Gustav, Jim and others,
>> 
>> > i tried your solution, and also changed comma's to points as Jim
>> suggested, but i still get an error: Wrong number of arguments used
>> with function ??????  


From Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us  Fri Nov  7 08:58:59 2003
From: Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us (Gowey Mike W)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:58:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Print Job Batching
Message-ID: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801D9FDC4@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>



Is there a way within Access to be able to batch print jobs somewhere
and than print them when you are ready to.  What I am trying to look at
is the ability for the user to put in information for a label and than
store the printing of the label with the info entered and continue doing
more labels storing each requested print and than be able to press a
button and print all the stored labels at once.

Has anyone ever done something like this?

Thanks so much in advance for any info provided.


Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
Team Leader - SRCI
Information Systems & Services Division

From pedro at plex.nl  Fri Nov  7 16:00:01 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:00:01 (MET)
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
Message-ID: <200311071500.hA7F01EU017000@mailhostC.plex.net>

I could't believe that is was the query that made the #Error. So i tested a little further. The real course of the #error are the quote's (') before and after the nummer. When deleting them everything works fine.

Thanks

Pedro Janssen





In antwoord op:

> From: pedro at plex.nl
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:21:50 (MET)
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
> 
> 
> Hello Gustav,
> 
> When i used your minimum expression, there was a querytable in the View, but in the records was standing #Error.
> The trouble is that TellingCode is a query. When i made a MakeTableQuery first from TellingCode and did the expression from tblTellingCode it was working. Why isn't the expression working on a query??
> 
> Pedro 
> 
> 
> In antwoord op:
> 
> > From: Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:06:55 +0100
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Pedro
> > 
> > You still may have mistyped something.
> > Try with a minimum expression:
> > 
> >    SELECT
> >      IIf([Code]='542',[Telling]*0.2,0) AS Resultaat_Telling
> >    FROM
> >      TellingCode;
> > 
> > If this doesn't work something else is wrong.
> > If it works, replace 0 with another IIf() construction and so on.
> > 
> > /gustav
> > 
> > 
> > > Hello Gustav, Jim and others,
> > 
> > > i tried your solution, and also changed comma's to points as Jim suggested, but i still get an error: Wrong number of arguments used with function ??????
> > 
> > > What could be the problem know?
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Nov  7 09:02:39 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:02:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Print Job Batching
References: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801D9FDC4@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <00fb01c3a540$30b4a160$210110ac@SUSANONE>

Perhaps the easiest way is to just use a temp table -- append records to the
temp table and then base your label report on the temp table.

Susan H.


>
>
> Is there a way within Access to be able to batch print jobs somewhere
> and than print them when you are ready to.  What I am trying to look at
> is the ability for the user to put in information for a label and than
> store the printing of the label with the info entered and continue doing
> more labels storing each requested print and than be able to press a
> button and print all the stored labels at once.
>
> Has anyone ever done something like this?
>
> Thanks so much in advance for any info provided.
>
>
> Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
> Team Leader - SRCI
> Information Systems & Services Division
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Nov  7 09:04:18 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:04:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Print Job Batching
References: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801D9FDC4@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <010501c3a540$6bf4c840$210110ac@SUSANONE>

Changed my mind -- maybe a yes/no field in the table -- and then a simple
query that returns only those records that are marked -- run the label
report, and then reset all the fields to no -- but would require a new field
which can be troublesome -- but eliminates the temp table.

Susan H.


>
>
> Is there a way within Access to be able to batch print jobs somewhere
> and than print them when you are ready to.  What I am trying to look at
> is the ability for the user to put in information for a label and than
> store the printing of the label with the info entered and continue doing
> more labels storing each requested print and than be able to press a
> button and print all the stored labels at once.
>
> Has anyone ever done something like this?
>
> Thanks so much in advance for any info provided.
>
>
> Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
> Team Leader - SRCI
> Information Systems & Services Division
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Fri Nov  7 09:08:23 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:08:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Print Job Batching
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7820@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Mike -
Why don't you just store the entered info in a table?  Then, print a
label-formatted report with that table as the record source.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Gowey Mike W [mailto:Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us] 
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Print Job Batching



Is there a way within Access to be able to batch print jobs somewhere
and than print them when you are ready to.  What I am trying to look at
is the ability for the user to put in information for a label and than
store the printing of the label with the info entered and continue doing
more labels storing each requested print and than be able to press a
button and print all the stored labels at once.

Has anyone ever done something like this?

Thanks so much in advance for any info provided.


Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
Team Leader - SRCI
Information Systems & Services Division
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri Nov  7 09:10:24 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri,  7 Nov 2003 16:10:24 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] Print Job Batching
Message-ID: <29869763.1068217823990.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006>

Couldn't you create a temporary table for all the labels and then link your labels to the temporary table ???




Message date : Nov 07 2003, 03:07 PM 
>From : Gowey Mike W 
To : Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Copy to : 
Subject : [AccessD] Print Job Batching 


Is there a way within Access to be able to batch print jobs somewhere 
and than print them when you are ready to. What I am trying to look at 
is the ability for the user to put in information for a label and than 
store the printing of the label with the info entered and continue doing 
more labels storing each requested print and than be able to press a 
button and print all the stored labels at once. 

Has anyone ever done something like this? 

Thanks so much in advance for any info provided. 


Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+ 
Team Leader - SRCI 
Information Systems & Services Division 
_______________________________________________ 
AccessD mailing list 
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Fri Nov  7 09:10:51 2003
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:10:51 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] Print Job Batching
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A03306054@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

Mike, 

Could you have a Yes/No field that the user could check so when they are
ready to run the print job, it only prints labels for those records where
this box is checked (set to Yes).  This would be easily setup in a query
with the criteria set to Yes for this field.  Then after the printing of the
labels you could run an update query that sets this field to No for all of
these records.  


-----Original Message-----
From: Gowey Mike W [mailto:Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 8:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Print Job Batching




Is there a way within Access to be able to batch print jobs somewhere
and than print them when you are ready to.  What I am trying to look at
is the ability for the user to put in information for a label and than
store the printing of the label with the info entered and continue doing
more labels storing each requested print and than be able to press a
button and print all the stored labels at once.

Has anyone ever done something like this?

Thanks so much in advance for any info provided.


Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
Team Leader - SRCI
Information Systems & Services Division
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From Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us  Fri Nov  7 09:14:51 2003
From: Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us (Gowey Mike W)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:14:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Print Job Batching
Message-ID: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801D9FDC5@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>

Thanks a lot everyone, I will look at both of those approaches and see
wich one the customer would like the best.

Thanks again

Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
Team Leader - SRCI
Information Systems & Services Division


-----Original Message-----
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com [mailto:rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 8:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Print Job Batching


Mike, 

Could you have a Yes/No field that the user could check so when they are
ready to run the print job, it only prints labels for those records
where this box is checked (set to Yes).  This would be easily setup in a
query with the criteria set to Yes for this field.  Then after the
printing of the labels you could run an update query that sets this
field to No for all of these records.  


-----Original Message-----
From: Gowey Mike W [mailto:Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 8:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Print Job Batching




Is there a way within Access to be able to batch print jobs somewhere
and than print them when you are ready to.  What I am trying to look at
is the ability for the user to put in information for a label and than
store the printing of the label with the info entered and continue doing
more labels storing each requested print and than be able to press a
button and print all the stored labels at once.

Has anyone ever done something like this?

Thanks so much in advance for any info provided.


Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
Team Leader - SRCI
Information Systems & Services Division
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Nov  7 09:20:19 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:20:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
References: <BAY2-F164WG57m3ovye00023372@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <00aa01c3a542$a78bfde0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Well, there's an idea I really like.  Simple, low tech (relatively).  Sure,
I've got a scanner.  Bit of a hassle but how often will I have to do it?

Thank you.

Rocky



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at hotmail.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word


> You don't have a scanner? You could actually print the page you want and
> scan it back in to a jpg. Surely a copy shop would do that for you - or I
> could for that matter if you wanted to send them up here to me in the
great
> frozen north.....Scanners are pretty cheap nowadays though.
>
> Granted it's somewhat low-tech.
>
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> >Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:44:29 -0800
> >
> >Stuart:
> >
> >Thanks for the links.  The second one looks like a screen capture so I
> >don't
> >think it will do but the first one seems to work well in the demo.  It's
> >$70
> >for the business version, but I may have to bite that bullet if I can't
> >figure another way.  It makes very nice jpg files which you can import to
> >word and stretch to fit the page.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Rocky
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> >To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> ><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 8:50 PM
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> >
> >
> >Just did a quick search.
> >
> >While this isn't free, it seems to do what you need.
> >
> >http://www.print-driver.com/
> >
> >What it does is install a new printer driver.  When you choose to print
to
> >this,
> >it will render the print output to an image file.
> >
> >There maybe a free alterative if someone does a search. I found another
one
> >that
> >is shareware.
> >http://www.newfreeware.com/search.php3?q=image+print+driver
> >
> >Stuart
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Friday, 07 November, 2003 12:24 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> > >
> > >
> > > Charlotte:
> > >
> > > I tried printing to pdf using cutepdf and it worked real well
> > > except now how
> > > do I get it into a word doc for the manual?  Is there a way
> > > to do that?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:58 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> > >
> > >
> > > > I don't know of any easy way.  We do screen captures of
> > > ours for that
> > > > purpose, since rtf is useless for graphics.  Or you can
> > > print them to a
> > > > pdf printer .
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte Foust
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:47 PM
> > > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear List:
> > > >
> > > > I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an
> > > application into
> > > > a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user
> > > manual. Its
> > > > for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.
> > > >
> > > > I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
> > > > it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
> > > > little formatting and graphics.
> > > >
> > > > The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and
> > > lines.  And
> > > > since the manual changes I don't want to go through that
> > > handcrafting
> > > > this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
> > > > footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
> > > > directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can
> > > crop and zoom
> > > > etc.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know how this can be done?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > Beach Access Software
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Nov  7 09:21:23 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:21:23 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
References: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHCEIKEPAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <00b201c3a542$cdda3480$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Reuben:

I did try that last time I had the problem but screen capture is too low res
by the time you get the whole report page reduced to where it fits on the
screen. :(

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reuben Cummings" <reuben at gfconsultants.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 6:36 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word


> We use an app called Grabber 2K.  This isn't where I got it, but I just
> found it at http://www.webattack.com/get/grabber2k.shtml
>
> You take a screen shot of anything and paste that image into your word
> document.
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> phone: 812.523.1017
> email: reuben at gfconsultants.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:19 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> >
> >
> > Bryan:
> >
> > No.  It's going to be hard copy.  The app will be about $3k and for that
> > prospects like to have something in hand.  Gives me a chance to
> > make a nice
> > binder, as well.  Pouch for the cd, all that.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> >
> >
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > Are you distributing the manual as a Word doc?
> > >
> > > If you are why don't you distribute it as a PDF. Then you can print
> > > sample reports as PDFs and insert pages from the report PDF into the
> > > Manual PDF where you want and have one electronic file.
> > >
> > > Bryan Carbonnell
> > > bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca
> > >
> > > >>> bchacc at san.rr.com 06-Nov-03 4:46:38 PM >>>
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > > I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an application
> > > into a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user manual.
> > > Its for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.
> > >
> > > I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
> > > it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
> > > little formatting and graphics.
> > >
> > > The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and lines.
And
> > > since the manual changes I don't want to go through that handcrafting
> > > this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
> > > footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
> > > directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can crop and
zoom
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know how this can be done?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Fri Nov  7 09:28:31 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:28:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
Message-ID: <sfab73db.010@cbc.ca>

Here's another way that I stumbled across, while looking for something
else....

SnagIt, a screen capture application, will actually allow you to do a
"Printer" capture.

It will capture a print and save it each page as an image. All you
print to a special SnagIt "printer" and it will capture each page
separately at printer quality.

You can get SnagIt from
http://www.techsmith.com/products/snagit/default.asp

They have a 30 day trial and it only costs $40.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> bchacc at san.rr.com 07-Nov-03 10:21:23 AM >>>
Reuben:

I did try that last time I had the problem but screen capture is too
low res
by the time you get the whole report page reduced to where it fits on
the
screen. :(

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reuben Cummings" <reuben at gfconsultants.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 6:36 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word


> We use an app called Grabber 2K.  This isn't where I got it, but I
just
> found it at http://www.webattack.com/get/grabber2k.shtml 
>
> You take a screen shot of anything and paste that image into your
word
> document.
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> phone: 812.523.1017
> email: reuben at gfconsultants.com 
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:19 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> >
> >
> > Bryan:
> >
> > No.  It's going to be hard copy.  The app will be about $3k and for
that
> > prospects like to have something in hand.  Gives me a chance to
> > make a nice
> > binder, as well.  Pouch for the cd, all that.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> >
> >
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > Are you distributing the manual as a Word doc?
> > >
> > > If you are why don't you distribute it as a PDF. Then you can
print
> > > sample reports as PDFs and insert pages from the report PDF into
the
> > > Manual PDF where you want and have one electronic file.
> > >
> > > Bryan Carbonnell
> > > bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca 
> > >
> > > >>> bchacc at san.rr.com 06-Nov-03 4:46:38 PM >>>
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > > I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an
application
> > > into a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user
manual.
> > > Its for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.
> > >
> > > I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I
got
> > > it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had
very
> > > little formatting and graphics.
> > >
> > > The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and
lines.
And
> > > since the manual changes I don't want to go through that
handcrafting
> > > this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers
and
> > > footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on
them
> > > directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can crop
and
zoom
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know how this can be done?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd 
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
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> > >
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> >
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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Fri Nov  7 09:39:51 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:39:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
In-Reply-To: <00b201c3a542$cdda3480$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHKEIMEPAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

OK.  You're doing reports rather than forms.  My fault for reading into your
questions.  You are correct about the problem with reports.

Bryan does a wonderful job at creating manuals.  He did the pdf for the BEU
and I think it's wonderful.  Beyond Grabber 2K in Word, I would have to
agree with Bryan that pdf's are the way to go.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 10:21 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
>
>
> Reuben:
>
> I did try that last time I had the problem but screen capture is
> too low res
> by the time you get the whole report page reduced to where it fits on the
> screen. :(
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Reuben Cummings" <reuben at gfconsultants.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 6:36 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
>
>
> > We use an app called Grabber 2K.  This isn't where I got it, but I just
> > found it at http://www.webattack.com/get/grabber2k.shtml
> >
> > You take a screen shot of anything and paste that image into your word
> > document.
> >
> > Reuben Cummings
> > GFC, LLC
> > phone: 812.523.1017
> > email: reuben at gfconsultants.com
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Rocky Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:19 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> > >
> > >
> > > Bryan:
> > >
> > > No.  It's going to be hard copy.  The app will be about $3k
> and for that
> > > prospects like to have something in hand.  Gives me a chance to
> > > make a nice
> > > binder, as well.  Pouch for the cd, all that.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca>
> > > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:57 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> > >
> > >
> > > > Rocky,
> > > >
> > > > Are you distributing the manual as a Word doc?
> > > >
> > > > If you are why don't you distribute it as a PDF. Then you can print
> > > > sample reports as PDFs and insert pages from the report PDF into the
> > > > Manual PDF where you want and have one electronic file.
> > > >
> > > > Bryan Carbonnell
> > > > bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca
> > > >
> > > > >>> bchacc at san.rr.com 06-Nov-03 4:46:38 PM >>>
> > > > Dear List:
> > > >
> > > > I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an application
> > > > into a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a
> user manual.
> > > > Its for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.
> > > >
> > > > I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
> > > > it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
> > > > little formatting and graphics.
> > > >
> > > > The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and lines.
> And
> > > > since the manual changes I don't want to go through that
> handcrafting
> > > > this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
> > > > footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
> > > > directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can crop and
> zoom
> > > > etc.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know how this can be done?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Nov  7 10:34:58 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:34:58 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3F5@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

The distinction about runtime engines is because some things work
differently when you are running an app from a fully installed version
of Access than when you are running it using an Access runtime engine.
In either case, you can get runtime errors (when you run it, naturally),
but the behavior is different and you don't always even see the errors
under the runtime engine, just the effects.  

I asked about the Access version (as distinct from the file format)
because I've seen things compile in Access 2002 that crash when the code
is run because it can miss routines with the same name if they are only
called from the property sheet of an object rather than from within
code.  I didn't run into that in Access 2000, but then I rarely if ever
use lightweight forms myself.

Have you tried creating a new database and importing all the objects?
Do they all import?  It sure sounds like some object corruption to me.

Charlotte Foust



-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Capistrant [mailto:scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...


Charlotte,

1. Yes, that's the literal message, referring to object names that are
not found anywhere in my code or object set. 2.  Using Access 2000. 3.
I don't understand your distinction about runtime engines.  The app
compiles cleanly, and compacts without complaint.  But when I start
hitting a few areas with subforms, I get a hailstorm of these errors.  I
can turn on error pausing and see where it trips up, and the code lines
are all different, but they do have the common thread of assigning
various subform names to the container form's subform's SourceObject. 4.
Oops, you are right -- I meant "SourceObject".  The offending lines read
like:
forms!frmPerson!subSection.SourceObject = "frmPerson_SubVolunteer"

Steve Capistrant
Symphony Information Services
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 763-391-7400
7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
Brooklyn Park, MN 55428

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...


Is that the literal error message, or do 'SourceObject' and '_SubForm'
stand as placeholders?   What version of Access are you using and What
file format?  Are you getting the message when someone attempts to run
the application using the runtime engine or is it an error that
*happens* at runtime?  Is the error triggered on methods like
"ControlSource" or did you mean "SourceObject" rather than what you
typed?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Capistrant [mailto:scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...


Help!!  Our main database has been corrupted, displaying this:

" Run-time Error '-2147417848 (80010108): Method 'SourceObject' of
object '_SubForm' failed "

from a variety of contexts.  How do I shake it?   Nothing in MSKB.
We're
using Source Safe, and even totally rebuilt versions still have the
corruption, and it happens on all workstations.  Triggered on lines like
this:
forms!frmPerson!subSection.ControlSource = "frmPerson_SubVolunteer"

Steve Capistrant
Symphony Information Services
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 763-391-7400
7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
Brooklyn Park, MN 55428



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From scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com  Fri Nov  7 10:52:06 2003
From: scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com (Steve Capistrant)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:52:06 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <3FAB26A8.3050601@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGKEMODAAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>

Problem solved!  Best yet, it turns out to be a programming mistake
masquerading as a corruption.  An error type unhandled smoothly by Jet or
VB, so results in a crash.

We have a person "container form" with one main subform control that swaps
out different forms (by changing the SourceObject) to show different
information about the person.  The problem was in the Volunteer area.
People by default are not "volunteers", so the Volunteer subform by default
presents a simple screens saying "no record is yet set up", and gives a
button which allows them to first create a volunteer record, then flip to
the subform that allows them to view/edit.  We already do this happily in
the Member and Customer areas, for which the same rule apply.  The
difference here was that I had one required field (volunteer type) to ask
the user about, so I presented a popup to capture it.  But I was using the
code from Member and the Customer sections, and failed to remove the line
that switches the subform.  So I was prematurely calling a subform that had
no data (yet) to support it.

The prize for solving the problem goes to fellow AccessD posters in our
office:  Mark Whittinghill and Liz Doering.  Thanks everyone else for your
ideas.  As usual, you are wonderful.

Steve Capistrant
Symphony Information Services
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 763-391-7400
7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
Brooklyn Park, MN 55428

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...


I just wonder if it could be something along these lines
To refer to a control on a subform, use the following syntax:

Forms![main form name]![subform control name].Form![control name]

It is important to note that you cannot refer to controls on a subform
with the following syntax:
Forms![subform name]![control name]

This is because a subform on a main form is not a form, but is a control
just like a text box or a list box. You must refer to a subform as a
control rather than a form, and specify the Form identifier following
the subform control name reference to gain access to the controls on a
subform.

ACC2000: How to Refer to a Control on a Subform or Subreport
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;209099&Product=acc
Steve Capistrant wrote:

>Charlotte,
>
>1. Yes, that's the literal message, referring to object names that are not
>found anywhere in my code or object set.
>2.  Using Access 2000.
>3.  I don't understand your distinction about runtime engines.  The app
>compiles cleanly, and compacts without complaint.  But when I start hitting
>a few areas with subforms, I get a hailstorm of these errors.  I can turn
on
>error pausing and see where it trips up, and the code lines are all
>different, but they do have the common thread of assigning various subform
>names to the container form's subform's SourceObject.
>4.  Oops, you are right -- I meant "SourceObject".  The offending lines
read
>like:
>forms!frmPerson!subSection.SourceObject = "frmPerson_SubVolunteer"
>
>Steve Capistrant
>Symphony Information Services
>scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
>www.symphonyinfo.com
>Phone: 763-391-7400
>7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
>Brooklyn Park, MN 55428
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:29 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...
>
>
>Is that the literal error message, or do 'SourceObject' and '_SubForm'
>stand as placeholders?   What version of Access are you using and What
>file format?  Are you getting the message when someone attempts to run
>the application using the runtime engine or is it an error that
>*happens* at runtime?  Is the error triggered on methods like
>"ControlSource" or did you mean "SourceObject" rather than what you
>typed?
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Capistrant [mailto:scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com]
>Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:04 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...
>
>
>Help!!  Our main database has been corrupted, displaying this:
>
>" Run-time Error '-2147417848 (80010108): Method 'SourceObject' of
>object '_SubForm' failed "
>
>from a variety of contexts.  How do I shake it?   Nothing in MSKB.
>We're
>using Source Safe, and even totally rebuilt versions still have the
>corruption, and it happens on all workstations.  Triggered on lines like
>this:
>forms!frmPerson!subSection.ControlSource = "frmPerson_SubVolunteer"
>
>Steve Capistrant
>Symphony Information Services
>scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
>www.symphonyinfo.com
>Phone: 763-391-7400
>7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
>Brooklyn Park, MN 55428
>
>
>
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--
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov  7 11:14:46 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:14:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
In-Reply-To: <sfab73db.010@cbc.ca>
References: <sfab73db.010@cbc.ca>
Message-ID: <2033328814.20031107181446@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky and Bryan et all

As a freeware alternative to SnagIt, have a look at "Print To Picture"
by a Russian guy, Gretchko Juriy, at:

  http://progrex.narod.ru/ptp.html

Every thing except the program is in Russian but at this page you
would download (at the bottom of the page) link two and perhaps three.
The first you can spell "Program Print to picture, version 1.01", the
second is a plugin which I'm not shure really is needed.

When printing, resolution can be chosen from 50 x 50 to 600 x 600 dpi
and file format can be BMP, PCX or PNG.

It looks very promising! I've been looking for this kind of util for
years - thanks for putting me on the track again.

A tiny print of the page is attached for those of you accepting
attachments.

PS: Download speed from the site is very slow but stable, just be
patient. 

/gustav


> Here's another way that I stumbled across, while looking for something
> else....

> SnagIt, a screen capture application, will actually allow you to do a
> "Printer" capture.

> It will capture a print and save it each page as an image. All you
> print to a special SnagIt "printer" and it will capture each page
> separately at printer quality.

> You can get SnagIt from
> http://www.techsmith.com/products/snagit/default.asp

> They have a 30 day trial and it only costs $40.

> Bryan Carbonnell
> bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

From serbach at new.rr.com  Fri Nov  7 11:50:15 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:50:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Moving a replica to an FTP site
Message-ID: <20031107115015.1844408660.serbach@new.rr.com>

Dear Group,

Have any of you lot tried MOVING a replica to an FTP site? I created a new Network Place in Windows 2000 that looks at a folder I set up on my web hosting site with the proper user name and password. However, no matter what I try to do in Replication Manager 4.0 I get the message:

You cannot save in the folder you specified. Please choose another location.

I, of course, tried to create a replica using the Access replication capability; but there I can only save a replica on the LAN, not on an FTP site.

Any clues?


Thanks,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Nov  7 14:21:30 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:21:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
References: <sfab73db.010@cbc.ca> <2033328814.20031107181446@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <01cd01c3a56c$bcd0fe10$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Gustav:

That worked great!  The PCX output goes right into WORD
Insert-->Picture-->From File.  I didn't see where to set the resolution but
the image prints great after being imported into WORD.  So I'm happy.  Very
happy.

Thanks for the lead.

Regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word


> Hi Rocky and Bryan et all
>
> As a freeware alternative to SnagIt, have a look at "Print To Picture"
> by a Russian guy, Gretchko Juriy, at:
>
>   http://progrex.narod.ru/ptp.html
>
> Every thing except the program is in Russian but at this page you
> would download (at the bottom of the page) link two and perhaps three.
> The first you can spell "Program Print to picture, version 1.01", the
> second is a plugin which I'm not shure really is needed.
>
> When printing, resolution can be chosen from 50 x 50 to 600 x 600 dpi
> and file format can be BMP, PCX or PNG.
>
> It looks very promising! I've been looking for this kind of util for
> years - thanks for putting me on the track again.
>
> A tiny print of the page is attached for those of you accepting
> attachments.
>
> PS: Download speed from the site is very slow but stable, just be
> patient.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Here's another way that I stumbled across, while looking for something
> > else....
>
> > SnagIt, a screen capture application, will actually allow you to do a
> > "Printer" capture.
>
> > It will capture a print and save it each page as an image. All you
> > print to a special SnagIt "printer" and it will capture each page
> > separately at printer quality.
>
> > You can get SnagIt from
> > http://www.techsmith.com/products/snagit/default.asp
>
> > They have a 30 day trial and it only costs $40.
>
> > Bryan Carbonnell
> > bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca


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From scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com  Fri Nov  7 14:28:38 2003
From: scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com (Steve Capistrant)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:28:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Moving a replica to an FTP site
In-Reply-To: <20031107115015.1844408660.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGCENCDAAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>

If you haven't already, try explicitly mapping a drive letter to that drive.
Some kinds of programs really fall apart trying to connect to UNC paths but
do just fine when it is mapped.

Steve Capistrant
Symphony Information Services
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 763-391-7400
7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
Brooklyn Park, MN 55428

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 11:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Moving a replica to an FTP site


Dear Group,

Have any of you lot tried MOVING a replica to an FTP site? I created a new
Network Place in Windows 2000 that looks at a folder I set up on my web
hosting site with the proper user name and password. However, no matter what
I try to do in Replication Manager 4.0 I get the message:

You cannot save in the folder you specified. Please choose another location.

I, of course, tried to create a replica using the Access replication
capability; but there I can only save a replica on the LAN, not on an FTP
site.

Any clues?


Thanks,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Nov  7 18:30:44 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 10:30:44 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
In-Reply-To: <01cd01c3a56c$bcd0fe10$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <3FACC5D4.30056.56E6B7@localhost>

On 7 Nov 2003 at 12:21, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote about Print To Picture::

> Gustav:
> 
> That worked great!  The PCX output goes right into WORD
> Insert-->Picture-->From File.  I didn't see where to set the resolution but
> the image prints great after being imported into WORD.  So I'm happy.  Very
> happy.
> 

Yes, looks like a really useful tool. Thanks for the link Gustav.

In W2K I found the resolution adjustment in the Printer properties - 
Advanced - Printing Defaults - Advanced .

There you can set the paper size, resolution( 50 x 50 up to 600 x 
600) and halftoning.

Incidentally, a single page Word document printed at 300 x 300  to 
the various file types gave the following file sizes:

BMP  962KB
PCX 271KB
PNG 62KB

However, creating a Word document and embedding the graphic in it did 
quite a good job of compressing the BMP.

Doc with PNG in it 82KB
Doc with BMP in it 85KB.


 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From tomk at multiline.com.au  Thu Nov  6 18:43:13 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:43:13 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Why is my Javascript (generated from Access) not working
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
	<42601.12.3.132.98.1067977717.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c3a4c8$206043a0$0300a8c0@print>

Hi all....

I have been using Access to build a HTML orderform for a couple of years and
have recently updated the process ...

After building the page with a series of queries etc I then write the page
to the drive via FREEFILE and a PUT statement ....

I have noticed that suddenly my pages javascript will not work UNLESS I
first open the page in notepad and resave it.

I dont have to edit the page in ANY WAY simply saving it will allow the JS
to work...

Can anyone shed any light on what the simple act of opening the page in
notepad and then saving it is doing?

I have been wrestling with this on and off for a couple of weeks now and
have run out of things to try.

regards

Tom Keatley


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov  7 21:03:44 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 21:03:44 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] Why is my Javascript (generated from Access) not wo
	rking
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227504@main2.marlow.com>

Are you using vbCrLf between the lines, or just one or the other? Opening
and saving in Notepad can force a change like that.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Keatley [mailto:tomk at multiline.com.au]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 6:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Why is my Javascript (generated from Access) not
working


Hi all....

I have been using Access to build a HTML orderform for a couple of years and
have recently updated the process ...

After building the page with a series of queries etc I then write the page
to the drive via FREEFILE and a PUT statement ....

I have noticed that suddenly my pages javascript will not work UNLESS I
first open the page in notepad and resave it.

I dont have to edit the page in ANY WAY simply saving it will allow the JS
to work...

Can anyone shed any light on what the simple act of opening the page in
notepad and then saving it is doing?

I have been wrestling with this on and off for a couple of weeks now and
have run out of things to try.

regards

Tom Keatley

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov  8 05:01:20 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:01:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Why is my Javascript (generated from Access) not
	working
In-Reply-To: <001b01c3a4c8$206043a0$0300a8c0@print>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
 <42601.12.3.132.98.1067977717.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
 <001b01c3a4c8$206043a0$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <598340242.20031108120120@cactus.dk>

Hi Tom

As Drew mentions it probably has to do with line breaks being either
Chr(10) + Chr(13) or one of these only.

Open the file with a hex editor before and after saving with Notepad
and you should be able to see what's going on.

Here's a freeware tool:

  http://www.memecode.com/ihex.php

/gustav


> I have been using Access to build a HTML orderform for a couple of years and
> have recently updated the process ...

> After building the page with a series of queries etc I then write the page
> to the drive via FREEFILE and a PUT statement ....

> I have noticed that suddenly my pages javascript will not work UNLESS I
> first open the page in notepad and resave it.

> I dont have to edit the page in ANY WAY simply saving it will allow the JS
> to work...

> Can anyone shed any light on what the simple act of opening the page in
> notepad and then saving it is doing?

> I have been wrestling with this on and off for a couple of weeks now and
> have run out of things to try.

> regards

> Tom Keatley


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  8 10:10:50 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 11:10:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEPPFJAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov  8 10:25:47 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 17:25:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEPPFJAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEPPFJAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <11127807434.20031108172547@cactus.dk>

Hi John

How about moving that command to OnLoad?

/gustav


> I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
> how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
> work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
> execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
> itself.

> Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com


From serbach at new.rr.com  Sat Nov  8 10:57:49 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 10:57:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Moving a replica to an FTP site
Message-ID: <20031108105749.1504749872.serbach@new.rr.com>

Steve,

>> try explicitly mapping a drive letter to that drive <<

I will definitely try that. I'm trying to get my arms around Indirect Replication for this client of mine who has far-flung employees who don't have access to the home network.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  8 11:22:17 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:22:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <11127807434.20031108172547@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEAAFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

No help.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Hi John

How about moving that command to OnLoad?

/gustav


> I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
> how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
> work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and
stop
> execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly
hides
> itself.

> Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  8 11:44:39 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:44:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEPPFJAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEABFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

To expound a little, in my lightweight security I am trying to create
functionality such that if a user can open a form but not view that form,
then the form will open but immediately hide itself.

To test this scenario, in the forms Activate event I check whether the user
has permission to view the form.  If not I immediately set the form.visible
false.  When opening the form, Activate fires, but setting the form's
visible attribute false does not make the form invisible.

If I manually hide the form, then use Window / unhide to unhide the form,
Activate fires, the code sets visible false and the form immediately rehides
itself (as I would expect to happen).

If I manually use Window / Unhide a SECOND time, Activate NEVER FIRES so my
code does not get a chance to hide the form again.

You can test this for yourself by simply taking any form, creating an
Activate event stub, and placing me.visible = false in it.  The first time
you do Windows / Unhide the event fires, the second time it doesn't!

Furthermore, as you open the form the FIRST time, Activate fires, but
setting me.visible = false does not hide the form!

I do so love Access and all of it's "quirks/features/BUGS".

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:11 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Nov  8 11:45:07 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 09:45:07 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEAAFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEJGCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

Here is a silly question. Why not set the form to visible = false initially
and then ...

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 9:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


No help.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Hi John

How about moving that command to OnLoad?

/gustav


> I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
> how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
> work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and
stop
> execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly
hides
> itself.

> Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  8 11:46:23 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:46:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEABFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Does anyone know how to turn off the little envelope icon that is placed in
the tool tray when a new mail arrives?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  8 11:53:56 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:53:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEJGCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEACFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Visible isn't a design time property.  From Access' help:

You can set this property by using the object's property sheet (for sections
and all controls except page breaks), a macro, or Visual Basic.
For forms, reports, and data access pages, you must set this property by
using a macro or Visual Basic.

Plus... see my explanation of LWS functionality.

I can't set it at design time even if I wanted to.  If a user just
dbl-clicks to open a form I have no opportunity to run a macro.  Thus I am
left with Visual Basic to perform this magic.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 12:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Hi John:

Here is a silly question. Why not set the form to visible = false initially
and then ...

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 9:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


No help.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Hi John

How about moving that command to OnLoad?

/gustav


> I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
> how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
> work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and
stop
> execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly
hides
> itself.

> Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com

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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sat Nov  8 12:09:59 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 13:09:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEACFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002101c3a623$8725bf50$6401a8c0@default>

John,

What about
Screen.ActiveForm.Visible = False

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 12:53 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


> Visible isn't a design time property.  From Access' help:
>
> You can set this property by using the object's property sheet (for
sections
> and all controls except page breaks), a macro, or Visual Basic.
> For forms, reports, and data access pages, you must set this property by
> using a macro or Visual Basic.
>
> Plus... see my explanation of LWS functionality.
>
> I can't set it at design time even if I wanted to.  If a user just
> dbl-clicks to open a form I have no opportunity to run a macro.  Thus I am
> left with Visual Basic to perform this magic.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> (AccessD)
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 12:45 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
>
>
> Hi John:
>
> Here is a silly question. Why not set the form to visible = false
initially
> and then ...
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 9:22 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
>
>
> No help.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:26 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
>
>
> Hi John
>
> How about moving that command to OnLoad?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless
of
> > how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
> > work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and
> stop
> > execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly
> hides
> > itself.
>
> > Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?
>
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov  8 12:15:14 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 19:15:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEACFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEACFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <19834374237.20031108191514@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Couldn't you cancel the opening when this should not be allowed and
then call a subfunction to open the form not visible:

<code>

  Public Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)

    Cancel = IsVisibleDisabledForCurrentUser()

    If Cancel = True Then
      Call SubFunctionToOpenFormNotVisible(Me.Name)
    End If

  End Sub

</code>

/gustav


>> I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
>> how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
>> work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and
>> stop execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form
>> correctly hides itself.


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  8 12:24:55 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 13:24:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEABFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEAEFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

More stuff.  I just discovered that as you try to unhide the form the first
time, it rehides but APPARENTLY the focus stays on that form.  I say that
because the database window (the only other thing visible/open in my testing
case) does NOT have the focus, and the design toolbar "disables", i.e. all
the controls gray out.  If you click on the database window it gets the
focus, the toolbar "enables" and THEN if you try to unhide the hidden form a
second time, it correctly does NOT unhide!!!

There's a hint in there somewhere I have to believe.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 12:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


To expound a little, in my lightweight security I am trying to create
functionality such that if a user can open a form but not view that form,
then the form will open but immediately hide itself.

To test this scenario, in the forms Activate event I check whether the user
has permission to view the form.  If not I immediately set the form.visible
false.  When opening the form, Activate fires, but setting the form's
visible attribute false does not make the form invisible.

If I manually hide the form, then use Window / unhide to unhide the form,
Activate fires, the code sets visible false and the form immediately rehides
itself (as I would expect to happen).

If I manually use Window / Unhide a SECOND time, Activate NEVER FIRES so my
code does not get a chance to hide the form again.

You can test this for yourself by simply taking any form, creating an
Activate event stub, and placing me.visible = false in it.  The first time
you do Windows / Unhide the event fires, the second time it doesn't!

Furthermore, as you open the form the FIRST time, Activate fires, but
setting me.visible = false does not hide the form!

I do so love Access and all of it's "quirks/features/BUGS".

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:11 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  8 12:25:08 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 13:25:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <19834374237.20031108191514@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEAEFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Gustav,

Good thought.  I'll try that.  It seems that if I use exactly your code then
the form would try to open, would already be open so would "fail" and would
then return and continue closing.  I'll see though.

I also have to handle making user the form can never be made visible
manually though.  See my email re what happens if you unhide it twice in a
row.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 1:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Hi John

Couldn't you cancel the opening when this should not be allowed and
then call a subfunction to open the form not visible:

<code>

  Public Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)

    Cancel = IsVisibleDisabledForCurrentUser()

    If Cancel = True Then
      Call SubFunctionToOpenFormNotVisible(Me.Name)
    End If

  End Sub

</code>

/gustav


>> I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
>> how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
>> work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and
>> stop execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form
>> correctly hides itself.

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Nov  8 14:11:43 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 14:11:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <17172960.1068308185175.JavaMail.root@sniper.marix.com>
Message-ID: <000201c3a634$8b7ab1d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>

John,

I have a startup form with quite a bit of startup code behind it.  To make
it invisible, I go to the database window, right-click the form, then select
properties.  Then check the Hidden checkbox.  Now the form will never
display, but all the code behind the form runs from the form's Open event.
The form also closes itself after it does all it's things and opens the
switchboard form.

For you to be able to see and select the form from the list in the database
window, go to Tools|Options, then select the View tab and check the Show
Hidden Objects checkbox.  Now, when the form list is displayed in the
database window, the startup form's small icon will be 'grayed out' to
indicate that this form is hidden.  

As long as your users can't muck around in Tool|Options and can't open the
database window, this may work for you.

HTH!
Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:11 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Nov  8 14:23:08 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 14:23:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open - oops!
In-Reply-To: <1947100.1068322701956.JavaMail.root@sniper.marix.com>
Message-ID: <000801c3a636$22c9ef50$de1811d8@DanWaters>

I re-read this and realized that it sounds like the form being set to hidden
will cause the form to automatically close after the code is finished.  Not!
The code behind the form closes the form.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 2:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John,

I have a startup form with quite a bit of startup code behind it.  To make
it invisible, I go to the database window, right-click the form, then select
properties.  Then check the Hidden checkbox.  Now the form will never
display, but all the code behind the form runs from the form's Open event.
The form also closes itself after it does all it's things and opens the
switchboard form.

For you to be able to see and select the form from the list in the database
window, go to Tools|Options, then select the View tab and check the Show
Hidden Objects checkbox.  Now, when the form list is displayed in the
database window, the startup form's small icon will be 'grayed out' to
indicate that this form is hidden.  

As long as your users can't muck around in Tool|Options and can't open the
database window, this may work for you.

HTH!
Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:11 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sat Nov  8 14:27:49 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 20:27:49 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <000201c3a634$8b7ab1d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <025d01c3a636$c6f64920$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

John
You don't have a SetFocus to anything on the form after the me.visible=False
do you? That would make it visible again.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: 08 November 2003 20:12
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
> 
> 
> John,
> 
> I have a startup form with quite a bit of startup code behind 
> it.  To make it invisible, I go to the database window, 
> right-click the form, then select properties.  Then check the 
> Hidden checkbox.  Now the form will never display, but all 
> the code behind the form runs from the form's Open event. The 
> form also closes itself after it does all it's things and 
> opens the switchboard form.
> 
> For you to be able to see and select the form from the list 
> in the database window, go to Tools|Options, then select the 
> View tab and check the Show Hidden Objects checkbox.  Now, 
> when the form list is displayed in the database window, the 
> startup form's small icon will be 'grayed out' to indicate 
> that this form is hidden.  
> 
> As long as your users can't muck around in Tool|Options and 
> can't open the database window, this may work for you.
> 
> HTH!
> Dan Waters
> Quality Process Solutions
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:11 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
> 
> 
> I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, 
> regardless of how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false 
> in OnOpen.  That doesn't work!  The strange part is that if I 
> place a breakpoint on the line and stop execution on the 
> me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides itself.
> 
> Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> 
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From bill.marriott at optusnet.com.au  Sat Nov  8 15:30:42 2003
From: bill.marriott at optusnet.com.au (Bill & Janine Marriott)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 08:30:42 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] uploading data from an fixed field length txt file
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F114E73MRc3b2q00003417@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201c3a63f$9163e7a0$0211a4cb@marriott>

Hi Gary (and Darren)

Just what I wanted! Thanks

Bill


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Saturday, 8 November 2003 1:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] uploading data from an fixed field length txt
file

Hi Bill,

I'd recommend Seth Galitzer's Home Page  - under "downloads" & "File I/O
in 
VB"

http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax/

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Bill & Janine Marriott" <bill.marriott at optusnet.com.au>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] uploading data from an fixed field length txt file
>Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:08:43 +1100
>
>
>
>Hi Everyone,
>
>I haven't visited this site for a while. Nice to see some old familiar
>faces.
>
>Does anyone know where I can look for code samples for uploading data
>from a text file into Access xp?
>
>Thanks
>
>Bill Marriott
>
>
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From mastercafe at ctv.es  Sat Nov  8 15:51:26 2003
From: mastercafe at ctv.es (MastercafeCTV)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 22:51:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ADO Connection from FORM
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEABFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000201c3a642$75b7ad90$69fa2250@servercafe>

We are trying to connect from a FORM to and external MYDATA.MDB on a server.

We are sure that ADODB could be use but we only use ASP forms to make this
and put over the server.
On the ASP page is very simple to connect :
<CODE>
Set Ob_Conn=Server.CreateObject("adodb.connection") 
Set Ob_RS=Server.CreateObject("adodb.recordset") 
Ob_Conn.Open "Driver={Microsoft Access Driver (*.mdb)}; " & "Dbq=" &
Server.MapPath("datos.mdb")
Sql= "SELECT *  FROM productos where familiaid='"&cadena&"'  order by
codigo"
Ob_RS.open  Sql,Ob_Conn,adOpenStatic, adCmdTable
Ob_RS.PageSize = 6
Ob_RS.AbsolutePage=Session("pagina") 
</CODE>

But to make the same on a simple FORM like a RecordSource?? Or in VB into de
form to collect some data to visualize ??

Thanks

Juan Men?ndez

===========================================
MASTERCAFE SL - NIF B-82.617.614
www.mastercafe.com
Deleg. Asturias 
Tel 985.88.49.44 / 627.531.764
Fax 627.500.205
info at mastercafe.com
juan at mastercafe.com
Deleg. Madrid
Tel 627.474.285
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===========================================


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  8 20:44:12 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 21:44:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <000201c3a634$8b7ab1d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEBAFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Dan,

I appreciate this.  Unfortunately this doesn't really solve my problem.

I am designing a LightWeight Security system.  The system is designed to
control access to forms and controls such that a designer enters data in
tables that define who can see / open forms etc.  This means that I don't
control the properties of a form at run time.  It isn't my database.

My wizard has to be able to take ANY form and open it invisible.  Further,
if a form attempts to unhide, my wizard code has to determine if the current
user is allowed to unhide it, and if not then prevent the unhide.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 3:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John,

I have a startup form with quite a bit of startup code behind it.  To make
it invisible, I go to the database window, right-click the form, then select
properties.  Then check the Hidden checkbox.  Now the form will never
display, but all the code behind the form runs from the form's Open event.
The form also closes itself after it does all it's things and opens the
switchboard form.

For you to be able to see and select the form from the list in the database
window, go to Tools|Options, then select the View tab and check the Show
Hidden Objects checkbox.  Now, when the form list is displayed in the
database window, the startup form's small icon will be 'grayed out' to
indicate that this form is hidden.

As long as your users can't muck around in Tool|Options and can't open the
database window, this may work for you.

HTH!
Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:11 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Nov  8 22:20:19 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 20:20:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ADO Connection from FORM
In-Reply-To: <000201c3a642$75b7ad90$69fa2250@servercafe>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKEJJCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Jaun:

Only an ADP Access form can connection directly to recordset otherwise an
ODBC connection string can but that is one layer up from ADO-OLE and
performance tend much reduce especially if you have just requested a large
group of records. I tend to dynamically link and lock the recordset, instead
of the forms and use code to feed the forms. I am sure there is other
methods. I posted the following code a week ago but you might not have seen
it:

code >>>

Public mobjConn As ADODB.Connection
Public gstrConnection As String

On Error GoTo Err_NotConnected

' if your are connecting to MDB database
gstrConnection = "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0; _
               Persist Security Info=False; _
               Data Source= MyDatabaseNameAndLocation"

' Test connection string
Set mobjConn = New ADODB.Connection
mobjConn.ConnectionString = gstrConnection
mobjConn.Open
MsgBox "You are connected "

Exit_GetConnected:
 Exit Sub

Err_NotConnected:
 MsgBox "You are not connected "
 Resume Exit_GetConnected
..........

and everytime you want to connect after that...

 Dim cmdInvoice As ADODB.Command
 Public rsInvoice As ADODB.Recordset

 Set rsInvoice = New ADODB.Recordset
 Set cmdInvoice = New ADODB.Command

' accessing a parameterized query in a MDB database
With cmdInvoice
 .ActiveConnection = gstrConnection
 .CommandText = "MyQuery"
 .CommandType = adCmdStoredProc
 .Parameters.Append .CreateParameter("InvoiceCode", adChar, adParamInput,
10, strInvoiceCode)
End With

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
 .Open cmdInvoice
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GotInvoice = True
 End If
End With

...or direct, no command section needed

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
 .Open "SELECT * FROM Invoice " & _
             "ORDER BY [Group]", gstrConnection
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GotInvoice = True
 End If
End With

<<< code

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MastercafeCTV
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 1:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] ADO Connection from FORM


We are trying to connect from a FORM to and external MYDATA.MDB on a server.

We are sure that ADODB could be use but we only use ASP forms to make this
and put over the server.
On the ASP page is very simple to connect :
<CODE>
Set Ob_Conn=Server.CreateObject("adodb.connection")
Set Ob_RS=Server.CreateObject("adodb.recordset")
Ob_Conn.Open "Driver={Microsoft Access Driver (*.mdb)}; " & "Dbq=" &
Server.MapPath("datos.mdb")
Sql= "SELECT *  FROM productos where familiaid='"&cadena&"'  order by
codigo"
Ob_RS.open  Sql,Ob_Conn,adOpenStatic, adCmdTable
Ob_RS.PageSize = 6
Ob_RS.AbsolutePage=Session("pagina")
</CODE>

But to make the same on a simple FORM like a RecordSource?? Or in VB into de
form to collect some data to visualize ??

Thanks

Juan Men?ndez

===========================================
MASTERCAFE SL - NIF B-82.617.614
www.mastercafe.com
Deleg. Asturias
Tel 985.88.49.44 / 627.531.764
Fax 627.500.205
info at mastercafe.com
juan at mastercafe.com
Deleg. Madrid
Tel 627.474.285
cecilia at mastercafe.com
===========================================

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sat Nov  8 23:57:10 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 23:57:10 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227507@main2.marlow.com>

Sounds like you need to have a doevents or me.Repaint command.  You are
setting a form's visible property to false, but that requires a screen
repaint.  Just a guess.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby
To: AccessD
Sent: 11/8/03 10:10 AM
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open

I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless
of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and
stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly
hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sun Nov  9 00:05:48 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 00:05:48 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227508@main2.marlow.com>

What version of Outlook?  Looks like there was an option in versions before
2000.

Drew 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby
To: AccessD
Sent: 11/8/03 11:46 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification

Does anyone know how to turn off the little envelope icon that is placed
in
the tool tray when a new mail arrives?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From mastercafe at ctv.es  Sun Nov  9 00:24:11 2003
From: mastercafe at ctv.es (MastercafeCTV)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:24:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ADO Connection from FORM
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKEJJCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000201c3a68a$170ef620$69fa2250@servercafe>

Thanks Jim for your soon answer, but we have a dude.. 
How to convert and MDE/MDB application to ADP, and this ADP is compiled like
MDE?? Is possible make a distributable ADP applications? Is my first time
with ADP. And i need study and read some more information about this.

Juan

===========================================
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www.mastercafe.com
Deleg. Asturias 
Tel 985.88.49.44 / 627.531.764
Fax 627.500.205
info at mastercafe.com
juan at mastercafe.com
Deleg. Madrid
Tel 627.474.285
cecilia at mastercafe.com
===========================================


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: domingo, 09 de noviembre de 2003 5:20
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADO Connection from FORM


Hi Jaun:

Only an ADP Access form can connection directly to recordset otherwise an
ODBC connection string can but that is one layer up from ADO-OLE and
performance tend much reduce especially if you have just requested a large
group of records. I tend to dynamically link and lock the recordset, instead
of the forms and use code to feed the forms. I am sure there is other
methods. I posted the following code a week ago but you might not have seen
it:

code >>>

Public mobjConn As ADODB.Connection
Public gstrConnection As String

On Error GoTo Err_NotConnected

' if your are connecting to MDB database
gstrConnection = "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0; _
               Persist Security Info=False; _
               Data Source= MyDatabaseNameAndLocation"

' Test connection string
Set mobjConn = New ADODB.Connection
mobjConn.ConnectionString = gstrConnection
mobjConn.Open
MsgBox "You are connected "

Exit_GetConnected:
 Exit Sub

Err_NotConnected:
 MsgBox "You are not connected "
 Resume Exit_GetConnected
..........

and everytime you want to connect after that...

 Dim cmdInvoice As ADODB.Command
 Public rsInvoice As ADODB.Recordset

 Set rsInvoice = New ADODB.Recordset
 Set cmdInvoice = New ADODB.Command

' accessing a parameterized query in a MDB database
With cmdInvoice
 .ActiveConnection = gstrConnection
 .CommandText = "MyQuery"
 .CommandType = adCmdStoredProc
 .Parameters.Append .CreateParameter("InvoiceCode", adChar, adParamInput,
10, strInvoiceCode) End With

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
 .Open cmdInvoice
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GotInvoice = True
 End If
End With

...or direct, no command section needed

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
 .Open "SELECT * FROM Invoice " & _
             "ORDER BY [Group]", gstrConnection
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GotInvoice = True
 End If
End With

<<< code

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MastercafeCTV
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 1:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] ADO Connection from FORM


We are trying to connect from a FORM to and external MYDATA.MDB on a server.

We are sure that ADODB could be use but we only use ASP forms to make this
and put over the server. On the ASP page is very simple to connect : <CODE>
Set Ob_Conn=Server.CreateObject("adodb.connection")
Set Ob_RS=Server.CreateObject("adodb.recordset")
Ob_Conn.Open "Driver={Microsoft Access Driver (*.mdb)}; " & "Dbq=" &
Server.MapPath("datos.mdb")
Sql= "SELECT *  FROM productos where familiaid='"&cadena&"'  order by
codigo" Ob_RS.open  Sql,Ob_Conn,adOpenStatic, adCmdTable Ob_RS.PageSize = 6
Ob_RS.AbsolutePage=Session("pagina")
</CODE>

But to make the same on a simple FORM like a RecordSource?? Or in VB into de
form to collect some data to visualize ??

Thanks

Juan Men?ndez

===========================================
MASTERCAFE SL - NIF B-82.617.614
www.mastercafe.com
Deleg. Asturias
Tel 985.88.49.44 / 627.531.764
Fax 627.500.205
info at mastercafe.com
juan at mastercafe.com
Deleg. Madrid
Tel 627.474.285
cecilia at mastercafe.com ===========================================

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  9 06:14:27 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:14:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227508@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEBPFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

O2K

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 1:06 AM
To: 'AccessD '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification


What version of Outlook?  Looks like there was an option in versions before
2000.

Drew 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby
To: AccessD
Sent: 11/8/03 11:46 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification

Does anyone know how to turn off the little envelope icon that is placed
in
the tool tray when a new mail arrives?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  9 06:30:44 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 06:30:44 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification
Message-ID: <Sea1-F90pzhad2VqKwR0000493c@hotmail.com>

That's actually a Windows setting, not an Outlook setting.  I don't know 
which OS you're using, but I think what I'm about to describe started with 
Windows 2K.
Right-click on Start menu
Choose Properties
Click the Taskbar tab
At the bottom, under Notification Area, choose Customize
Find the "You have new unopened items" line and click where it says "Hide 
when Inactive" and change that to "Always Hide"

Hope that helps,
Gina


From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:46:23 -0500

Does anyone know how to turn off the little envelope icon that is placed in
the tool tray when a new mail arrives?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Sun Nov  9 07:07:35 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 08:07:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEABFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3FADF5C7.14414.EA465@localhost>

On 8 Nov 2003 at 12:46, John Colby wrote:

> Does anyone know how to turn off the little envelope icon that is
> placed in the tool tray when a new mail arrives?

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Sun Nov  9 07:14:56 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 08:14:56 -0500
Subject: (Fwd) RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
Message-ID: <3FADF780.2161.155B6E@localhost>

Forwarded because of a bounce.

------- Forwarded message follows -------
Send reply to:  	<Robert at servicexp.com>
From:           	"Robert Gracie" <Robert at servicexp.com>
Date sent:      	Sat, 8 Nov 2003 23:37:08 -0500

John

This is real crude but will this work...

Form Level

Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
Dim ScrVis As Long
ScrVis = 0 'LWS Check Point
           'ScrCount is a global counter, to make sure we don't loop
If ScrVis = 0 And ScrCount = 0 Then ScrCount = 1 Call
Openform(Me.Name) End If End Sub

Module Level

Public Sub Openform(FrmName As String)
DoCmd.Close acForm, FrmName
DoCmd.Openform FrmName, , , , , acHidden
End Sub


Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 9:44 PM To: Access Developers
discussion and problem solving Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a
form invisible on open


Dan,

I appreciate this.  Unfortunately this doesn't really solve my
problem.

I am designing a LightWeight Security system.  The system is designed
to control access to forms and controls such that a designer enters
data in tables that define who can see / open forms etc.  This means
that I don't control the properties of a form at run time.  It isn't
my database.

My wizard has to be able to take ANY form and open it invisible. 
Further, if a form attempts to unhide, my wizard code has to 
determine
if the current user is allowed to unhide it, and if not then prevent
the unhide.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 3:12 PM To: 'Access Developers
discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting 
a
form invisible on open


John,

I have a startup form with quite a bit of startup code behind it.  To
make it invisible, I go to the database window, right-click the form,
then select properties.  Then check the Hidden checkbox.  Now the 
form
will never display, but all the code behind the form runs from the
form's Open event. The form also closes itself after it does all it's
things and opens the switchboard form.

For you to be able to see and select the form from the list in the
database window, go to Tools|Options, then select the View tab and
check the Show Hidden Objects checkbox.  Now, when the form list is
displayed in the database window, the startup form's small icon will
be 'grayed out' to indicate that this form is hidden.

As long as your users can't muck around in Tool|Options and can't 
open
the database window, this may work for you.

HTH!
Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:11 AM To: AccessD Subject:
[AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, 
regardless
of how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That
doesn't work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on 
the
line and stop execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the
form correctly hides itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Sun Nov  9 07:56:02 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 08:56:02 -0500
Subject: (Fwd) RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <3FADF780.2161.155B6E@localhost>
Message-ID: <PBEDKHOENPLNGHCEPCDPGEGMDEAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>

Thanks Bryon...

 I'm repost posting the code because of the formatting errors.

Form Level

Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
Dim ScrVis As Long
ScrVis = 0 'LWS Check Point
           'ScrCount is a global counter, to make sure we don't loop
If ScrVis = 0 And ScrCount = 0 Then
ScrCount = 1
Call Openform(Me.Name)
End If
End Sub

Module Level

Public Sub Openform(FrmName As String)
DoCmd.Close acForm, FrmName
DoCmd.Openform FrmName, , , , , acHidden
End Sub


Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com

SNIP



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Nov  9 08:39:53 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 08:39:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <546976.1068345991467.JavaMail.root@sniper.marix.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3a6cf$56e0f3d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>

John,

I also manage control formatting on forms based on user authorities, which
come from a table.  These authorities also determine who is authorized to
open a form, and the authorities are changed from time to time by a manager
at the company.  

A wild thought - Could your form have a timer event with a check on the
user's authorities?  If they are not authorized, then the form's visible
property could be reset to me.visible = false.  I guess you'd have to use
some fraction of a second as the timer frequency.  Maybe if a non-authorized
user viewing a form is an infrequent event this could work.  I guess if the
event could use local information this might be useful.  But if this is off
the wall, just sweep it up!

Best of Luck,
Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 8:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Dan,

I appreciate this.  Unfortunately this doesn't really solve my problem.

I am designing a LightWeight Security system.  The system is designed to
control access to forms and controls such that a designer enters data in
tables that define who can see / open forms etc.  This means that I don't
control the properties of a form at run time.  It isn't my database.

My wizard has to be able to take ANY form and open it invisible.  Further,
if a form attempts to unhide, my wizard code has to determine if the current
user is allowed to unhide it, and if not then prevent the unhide.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 3:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John,

I have a startup form with quite a bit of startup code behind it.  To make
it invisible, I go to the database window, right-click the form, then select
properties.  Then check the Hidden checkbox.  Now the form will never
display, but all the code behind the form runs from the form's Open event.
The form also closes itself after it does all it's things and opens the
switchboard form.

For you to be able to see and select the form from the list in the database
window, go to Tools|Options, then select the View tab and check the Show
Hidden Objects checkbox.  Now, when the form list is displayed in the
database window, the startup form's small icon will be 'grayed out' to
indicate that this form is hidden.

As long as your users can't muck around in Tool|Options and can't open the
database window, this may work for you.

HTH!
Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:11 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From tomk at multiline.com.au  Sat Nov  8 17:57:28 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:57:28 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] How do I place API file dialogue in centre of form
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
	<42601.12.3.132.98.1067977717.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
	<001b01c3a4c8$206043a0$0300a8c0@print> <598340242.20031108120120@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001101c3a654$1154a710$0300a8c0@print>

Hi all...
I am using the code below to bring up a standard file dialogue in Windows to
select a file for import which works GREAT.

I would like however the dialogue to appear in the centre of the form it is
being called from. I believe this will have something to do with the HWND
but have no idea how to proceed from here.

Can anyone assist ?




Function APIDialogBox()
         Dim OpenFile As OPENFILENAME
         Dim lReturn As Long
         Dim sFilter As String
         OpenFile.lStructSize = Len(OpenFile)
         'OpenFile.hwndOwner = me.Hwnd
         'OpenFile.hInstance = App.hInstance
         sFilter = "Pied Piper Order Files (*.eml)" & Chr(0) & "*.eml" &
Chr(0) _
         & "OLD Pied Piper Order Files (*.XXX)" & Chr(0) & "*.XXX" & Chr(0)
_
         & "All Files (*.*)" & Chr(0) & "*.*" & Chr(0)
         'sFilter = "All Files (*.*)" & Chr(0) & "*.*" & Chr(0)
         OpenFile.lpstrFilter = sFilter
         'OpenFile.nFilterIndex = 1
         OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)

         OpenFile.nMaxFile = Len(OpenFile.lpstrFile) - 1
         OpenFile.lpstrFileTitle = OpenFile.lpstrFile
         OpenFile.nMaxFileTitle = OpenFile.nMaxFile
         OpenFile.lpstrInitialDir = "C:\_WebOrders\"
         OpenFile.lpstrTitle = "Please Select a Web Order"
         OpenFile.flags = 0
         lReturn = GetOpenFileName(OpenFile)
          If lReturn = 0 Then
            APIDialogBox = ""
         Else
            APIDialogBox = Trim(OpenFile.lpstrFile)
          'gives me pathname\filename
          OrdFilNam = OpenFile.lpstrFile
          'gives me filename
          filnam = OpenFile.lpstrFileTitle
          'gives me path\
          PthNam = Left(OpenFile.lpstrFile, OpenFile.nFileOffset)
          'Call WEBIMPORT
            End If


End Function


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  9 18:06:49 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:06:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <000001c3a6cf$56e0f3d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEDCFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I certainly can't have a timer going all of the time.  However I could have
a hidden form that the timer is turned on by demand.  A form opening that
needs to be invisible puts it's name in a variable (or in a collection)  The
code that does that could start the timer and set the time to 250 ms or
something.  The form put's it's name in a collection and closes.  The form's
timer then starts, which reads the form(s) out of the collection and opens
them invisible.

What a &^%$ing kludge!  Wouldn't it be nice if Access just worked?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 9:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John,

I also manage control formatting on forms based on user authorities, which
come from a table.  These authorities also determine who is authorized to
open a form, and the authorities are changed from time to time by a manager
at the company.

A wild thought - Could your form have a timer event with a check on the
user's authorities?  If they are not authorized, then the form's visible
property could be reset to me.visible = false.  I guess you'd have to use
some fraction of a second as the timer frequency.  Maybe if a non-authorized
user viewing a form is an infrequent event this could work.  I guess if the
event could use local information this might be useful.  But if this is off
the wall, just sweep it up!

Best of Luck,
Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 8:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Dan,

I appreciate this.  Unfortunately this doesn't really solve my problem.

I am designing a LightWeight Security system.  The system is designed to
control access to forms and controls such that a designer enters data in
tables that define who can see / open forms etc.  This means that I don't
control the properties of a form at run time.  It isn't my database.

My wizard has to be able to take ANY form and open it invisible.  Further,
if a form attempts to unhide, my wizard code has to determine if the current
user is allowed to unhide it, and if not then prevent the unhide.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 3:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John,

I have a startup form with quite a bit of startup code behind it.  To make
it invisible, I go to the database window, right-click the form, then select
properties.  Then check the Hidden checkbox.  Now the form will never
display, but all the code behind the form runs from the form's Open event.
The form also closes itself after it does all it's things and opens the
switchboard form.

For you to be able to see and select the form from the list in the database
window, go to Tools|Options, then select the View tab and check the Show
Hidden Objects checkbox.  Now, when the form list is displayed in the
database window, the startup form's small icon will be 'grayed out' to
indicate that this form is hidden.

As long as your users can't muck around in Tool|Options and can't open the
database window, this may work for you.

HTH!
Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:11 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jonper at oceanfree.net  Sun Nov  9 18:40:49 2003
From: jonper at oceanfree.net (John Fitz)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 00:40:49 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEDCFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CPEOLPOJMFCHKHBBIDIPMEIKDGAA.jonper@oceanfree.net>


John,
	Try setting the detail section Visible property to No, the border property
to none and the navigation buttons to no. Then use your code to reset these
propeties as you wish. The fom will open invisible.


John Fitz.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 10 November 2003 00:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I certainly can't have a timer going all of the time.  However I could have
a hidden form that the timer is turned on by demand.  A form opening that
needs to be invisible puts it's name in a variable (or in a collection)  The
code that does that could start the timer and set the time to 250 ms or
something.  The form put's it's name in a collection and closes.  The form's
timer then starts, which reads the form(s) out of the collection and opens
them invisible.

What a &^%$ing kludge!  Wouldn't it be nice if Access just worked?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 9:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John,

I also manage control formatting on forms based on user authorities, which
come from a table.  These authorities also determine who is authorized to
open a form, and the authorities are changed from time to time by a manager
at the company.

A wild thought - Could your form have a timer event with a check on the
user's authorities?  If they are not authorized, then the form's visible
property could be reset to me.visible = false.  I guess you'd have to use
some fraction of a second as the timer frequency.  Maybe if a non-authorized
user viewing a form is an infrequent event this could work.  I guess if the
event could use local information this might be useful.  But if this is off
the wall, just sweep it up!

Best of Luck,
Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 8:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Dan,

I appreciate this.  Unfortunately this doesn't really solve my problem.

I am designing a LightWeight Security system.  The system is designed to
control access to forms and controls such that a designer enters data in
tables that define who can see / open forms etc.  This means that I don't
control the properties of a form at run time.  It isn't my database.

My wizard has to be able to take ANY form and open it invisible.  Further,
if a form attempts to unhide, my wizard code has to determine if the current
user is allowed to unhide it, and if not then prevent the unhide.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 3:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John,

I have a startup form with quite a bit of startup code behind it.  To make
it invisible, I go to the database window, right-click the form, then select
properties.  Then check the Hidden checkbox.  Now the form will never
display, but all the code behind the form runs from the form's Open event.
The form also closes itself after it does all it's things and opens the
switchboard form.

For you to be able to see and select the form from the list in the database
window, go to Tools|Options, then select the View tab and check the Show
Hidden Objects checkbox.  Now, when the form list is displayed in the
database window, the startup form's small icon will be 'grayed out' to
indicate that this form is hidden.

As long as your users can't muck around in Tool|Options and can't open the
database window, this may work for you.

HTH!
Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:11 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Nov  9 20:50:50 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:50:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] How do I place API file dialogue in centre of form
In-Reply-To: <001101c3a654$1154a710$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <3FAF89AA.28465.F495C@localhost>

On 9 Nov 2003 at 7:57, Tom Keatley wrote:

> Hi all...
> I am using the code below to bring up a standard file dialogue in Windows to
> select a file for import which works GREAT.
> 
> I would like however the dialogue to appear in the centre of the form it is
> being called from. I believe this will have something to do with the HWND
> but have no idea how to proceed from here.
> 
> Can anyone assist ?
> 
>
Just uncomment the line 
    'OpenFile.hwndOwner = me.Hwnd

and the dialog becomes a child of the form is opened from.


> 
> 
> Function APIDialogBox()
>          Dim OpenFile As OPENFILENAME
>          Dim lReturn As Long
>          Dim sFilter As String
>          OpenFile.lStructSize = Len(OpenFile)
>          'OpenFile.hwndOwner = me.Hwnd
>          'OpenFile.hInstance = App.hInstance
>          sFilter = "Pied Piper Order Files (*.eml)" & Chr(0) & "*.eml" &
> Chr(0) _
>          & "OLD Pied Piper Order Files (*.XXX)" & Chr(0) & "*.XXX" & Chr(0)
> _
>          & "All Files (*.*)" & Chr(0) & "*.*" & Chr(0)
>          'sFilter = "All Files (*.*)" & Chr(0) & "*.*" & Chr(0)
>          OpenFile.lpstrFilter = sFilter
>          'OpenFile.nFilterIndex = 1
>          OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)
> 
>          OpenFile.nMaxFile = Len(OpenFile.lpstrFile) - 1
>          OpenFile.lpstrFileTitle = OpenFile.lpstrFile
>          OpenFile.nMaxFileTitle = OpenFile.nMaxFile
>          OpenFile.lpstrInitialDir = "C:\_WebOrders\"
>          OpenFile.lpstrTitle = "Please Select a Web Order"
>          OpenFile.flags = 0
>          lReturn = GetOpenFileName(OpenFile)
>           If lReturn = 0 Then
>             APIDialogBox = ""
>          Else
>             APIDialogBox = Trim(OpenFile.lpstrFile)
>           'gives me pathname\filename
>           OrdFilNam = OpenFile.lpstrFile
>           'gives me filename
>           filnam = OpenFile.lpstrFileTitle
>           'gives me path\
>           PthNam = Left(OpenFile.lpstrFile, OpenFile.nFileOffset)
>           'Call WEBIMPORT
>             End If
> 
> 
> End Function
> 
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Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support.




From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Mon Nov 10 03:39:35 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:39:35 -0000
Subject: FW: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C66F8@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Forwarded on behalf of Robert; Bryan can you check why this message was
blocked?

thanks

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Gracie [mailto:Robert at servicexp.com] 
Sent: 09 November 2003 04:37
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John

This is real crude but will this work...

Form Level

Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
Dim ScrVis As Long
ScrVis = 0 'LWS Check Point
           'ScrCount is a global counter, to make sure we don't loop If
ScrVis = 0 And ScrCount = 0 Then ScrCount = 1 Call Openform(Me.Name) End If
End Sub

Module Level

Public Sub Openform(FrmName As String)
DoCmd.Close acForm, FrmName
DoCmd.Openform FrmName, , , , , acHidden
End Sub


Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 9:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Dan,

I appreciate this.  Unfortunately this doesn't really solve my problem.

I am designing a LightWeight Security system.  The system is designed to
control access to forms and controls such that a designer enters data in
tables that define who can see / open forms etc.  This means that I don't
control the properties of a form at run time.  It isn't my database.

My wizard has to be able to take ANY form and open it invisible.  Further,
if a form attempts to unhide, my wizard code has to determine if the current
user is allowed to unhide it, and if not then prevent the unhide.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 3:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John,

I have a startup form with quite a bit of startup code behind it.  To make
it invisible, I go to the database window, right-click the form, then select
properties.  Then check the Hidden checkbox.  Now the form will never
display, but all the code behind the form runs from the form's Open event.
The form also closes itself after it does all it's things and opens the
switchboard form.

For you to be able to see and select the form from the list in the database
window, go to Tools|Options, then select the View tab and check the Show
Hidden Objects checkbox.  Now, when the form list is displayed in the
database window, the startup form's small icon will be 'grayed out' to
indicate that this form is hidden.

As long as your users can't muck around in Tool|Options and can't open the
database window, this may work for you.

HTH!
Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions



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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:11 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Mon Nov 10 09:07:24 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:07:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7822@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

John -
Try going to Tools>Options.
On the Preferences tab, click Email Options.
In the next window, click Advanced Email Options.
Uncheck the option 'Show an envelope icon in the system tray'.

Mark Boyd
Sr. Systems Analyst
McBee Associates, Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 12:46 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification

Does anyone know how to turn off the little envelope icon that is placed
in
the tool tray when a new mail arrives?

John W. Colby
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 10 09:30:58 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:30:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification
In-Reply-To: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7822@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEENFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Mark,

I follow you all the way to the last line, but there is no such checkbox.

Outlook 2000 on Win2K.  I could SWEAR I turned this thing on, now I just
want to turn it off!

8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Boyd
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification


John -
Try going to Tools>Options.
On the Preferences tab, click Email Options.
In the next window, click Advanced Email Options.
Uncheck the option 'Show an envelope icon in the system tray'.

Mark Boyd
Sr. Systems Analyst
McBee Associates, Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 12:46 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification

Does anyone know how to turn off the little envelope icon that is placed
in
the tool tray when a new mail arrives?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 10 10:43:10 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:43:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ADO Connection from FORM
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631242D@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

You can create a compiled ADE from an ADP, and yes, you can create distributable ADP applications.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MastercafeCTV [mailto:mastercafe at ctv.es] 
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:24 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADO Connection from FORM


Thanks Jim for your soon answer, but we have a dude.. 
How to convert and MDE/MDB application to ADP, and this ADP is compiled like MDE?? Is possible make a distributable ADP applications? Is my first time with ADP. And i need study and read some more information about this.

Juan

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: domingo, 09 de noviembre de 2003 5:20
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADO Connection from FORM


Hi Jaun:

Only an ADP Access form can connection directly to recordset otherwise an ODBC connection string can but that is one layer up from ADO-OLE and performance tend much reduce especially if you have just requested a large group of records. I tend to dynamically link and lock the recordset, instead of the forms and use code to feed the forms. I am sure there is other methods. I posted the following code a week ago but you might not have seen
it:

code >>>

Public mobjConn As ADODB.Connection
Public gstrConnection As String

On Error GoTo Err_NotConnected

' if your are connecting to MDB database
gstrConnection = "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0; _
               Persist Security Info=False; _
               Data Source= MyDatabaseNameAndLocation"

' Test connection string
Set mobjConn = New ADODB.Connection
mobjConn.ConnectionString = gstrConnection
mobjConn.Open
MsgBox "You are connected "

Exit_GetConnected:
 Exit Sub

Err_NotConnected:
 MsgBox "You are not connected "
 Resume Exit_GetConnected
..........

and everytime you want to connect after that...

 Dim cmdInvoice As ADODB.Command
 Public rsInvoice As ADODB.Recordset

 Set rsInvoice = New ADODB.Recordset
 Set cmdInvoice = New ADODB.Command

' accessing a parameterized query in a MDB database
With cmdInvoice
 .ActiveConnection = gstrConnection
 .CommandText = "MyQuery"
 .CommandType = adCmdStoredProc
 .Parameters.Append .CreateParameter("InvoiceCode", adChar, adParamInput, 10, strInvoiceCode) End With

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
 .Open cmdInvoice
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GotInvoice = True
 End If
End With

...or direct, no command section needed

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
 .Open "SELECT * FROM Invoice " & _
             "ORDER BY [Group]", gstrConnection
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GotInvoice = True
 End If
End With

<<< code

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MastercafeCTV
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 1:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] ADO Connection from FORM


We are trying to connect from a FORM to and external MYDATA.MDB on a server.

We are sure that ADODB could be use but we only use ASP forms to make this and put over the server. On the ASP page is very simple to connect : <CODE> Set Ob_Conn=Server.CreateObject("adodb.connection")
Set Ob_RS=Server.CreateObject("adodb.recordset")
Ob_Conn.Open "Driver={Microsoft Access Driver (*.mdb)}; " & "Dbq=" &
Server.MapPath("datos.mdb")
Sql= "SELECT *  FROM productos where familiaid='"&cadena&"'  order by codigo" Ob_RS.open  Sql,Ob_Conn,adOpenStatic, adCmdTable Ob_RS.PageSize = 6
Ob_RS.AbsolutePage=Session("pagina")
</CODE>

But to make the same on a simple FORM like a RecordSource?? Or in VB into de form to collect some data to visualize ??

Thanks

Juan Men?ndez

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www.mastercafe.com
Deleg. Asturias
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Fax 627.500.205
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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Mon Nov 10 10:57:24 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:57:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D189896@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

I'm using Outlook 2002.  This must be a newer feature.
Sorry.
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification

Mark,

I follow you all the way to the last line, but there is no such
checkbox.

Outlook 2000 on Win2K.  I could SWEAR I turned this thing on, now I just
want to turn it off!

8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Boyd
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification


John -
Try going to Tools>Options.
On the Preferences tab, click Email Options.
In the next window, click Advanced Email Options.
Uncheck the option 'Show an envelope icon in the system tray'.

Mark Boyd
Sr. Systems Analyst
McBee Associates, Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 12:46 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification

Does anyone know how to turn off the little envelope icon that is placed
in
the tool tray when a new mail arrives?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Mon Nov 10 12:42:31 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:42:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
In-Reply-To: <38712.12.3.132.98.1068064848.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C84F@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
	<38712.12.3.132.98.1068064848.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <16810.12.3.132.98.1068489751.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Hey Group, I am not able to put conditions in queries whee I use IIF. What
is the alternate solution ?
This works ---

SELECT Table3.amount,
IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
","055"))) AS HH,
IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
FROM Table3;

however when  Iput in WHERE

SELECT Table3.amount,
IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
","055"))) AS HH,
IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
FROM Table3
WHERE JJ = "zzz"

doesn't work. I tried inserting GROUP BY by all statements, and then
HAVING, but doesn't work either...


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 10 12:46:08 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:46:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: registry backup
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEFDFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Does anyone know if the registry is backed up automatically by Windows?  Can
it be?

I had a power failure this morning.  I have a UPS for each computer,
connected by serial port and they reported that they were shutting down
correctly, however when I came back up my main dev machine is pretty badly
mangled.  Had to go into safe mode and get rid of some of the start up stuff
to even get loaded, now just strange things - Access asks me if I want to
register my copy, the desktop is totally re-arranged, MS Messenger looks
different, Norton utilities won't run at all, Norton defrag says it's in a
bizarre location etc.

Sounds like a registry problem to me.

So... is there a backup somewhere?  If not, why not?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Mon Nov 10 12:00:59 2003
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:00:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEABFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00bb01c3a7b4$994f78a0$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>

John:

Two comments -

1. It escapes me why you would even want to manage an open, invisible form.
If the user can't view it, then by far the simplist thing to do is not open
it. Is there some other issue driving this need that you haven't elaborated
on?

2. The object method of opening a form, Set FormObject = New Form_FormName,
creates an invisible instance of your form. The user will be absolutely
unaware of its presence until you decide to show it by setting Visible
=True. That's the upside of this method. The downside is you can't use
DoCmd.OpenForm. Instead, you would have to write your own object-oriented
framework to manage the life of your forms.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


To expound a little, in my lightweight security I am trying to create
functionality such that if a user can open a form but not view that form,
then the form will open but immediately hide itself.

To test this scenario, in the forms Activate event I check whether the user
has permission to view the form.  If not I immediately set the form.visible
false.  When opening the form, Activate fires, but setting the form's
visible attribute false does not make the form invisible.

If I manually hide the form, then use Window / unhide to unhide the form,
Activate fires, the code sets visible false and the form immediately rehides
itself (as I would expect to happen).

If I manually use Window / Unhide a SECOND time, Activate NEVER FIRES so my
code does not get a chance to hide the form again.

You can test this for yourself by simply taking any form, creating an
Activate event stub, and placing me.visible = false in it.  The first time
you do Windows / Unhide the event fires, the second time it doesn't!

Furthermore, as you open the form the FIRST time, Activate fires, but
setting me.visible = false does not hide the form!

I do so love Access and all of it's "quirks/features/BUGS".

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:11 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Mon Nov 10 12:58:22 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:58:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: registry backup
Message-ID: <sfaf9988.049@cbc.ca>

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>>> jcolby at colbyconsulting.com 10-Nov-03 1:46:08 PM >>>
Does anyone know if the registry is backed up automatically by Windows?
 Can
it be?

I had a power failure this morning.  I have a UPS for each computer,
connected by serial port and they reported that they were shutting
down
correctly, however when I came back up my main dev machine is pretty
badly
mangled.  Had to go into safe mode and get rid of some of the start up
stuff
to even get loaded, now just strange things - Access asks me if I want
to
register my copy, the desktop is totally re-arranged, MS Messenger
looks
different, Norton utilities won't run at all, Norton defrag says it's
in a
bizarre location etc.

Sounds like a registry problem to me.

So... is there a backup somewhere?  If not, why not?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com 


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Nov 10 13:03:45 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:03:45 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
In-Reply-To: <16810.12.3.132.98.1068489751.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <032601c3a7bd$5dd7ff00$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Oleg
You can't refer to an expression's name in the WHERE clause. Best way is to
create a little function (or two in this case). You can then refer to the
function's return value in the SELECT and WHERE clauses.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: 10 November 2003 18:43
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
> 
> 
> Hey Group, I am not able to put conditions in queries whee I 
> use IIF. What is the alternate solution ? This works ---
> 
> SELECT Table3.amount,
> IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
> ","055"))) AS HH,
> IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
> FROM Table3;
> 
> however when  Iput in WHERE
> 
> SELECT Table3.amount,
> IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
> ","055"))) AS HH,
> IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
> FROM Table3
> WHERE JJ = "zzz"
> 
> doesn't work. I tried inserting GROUP BY by all statements, 
> and then HAVING, but doesn't work either...
> 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 10 13:17:01 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:17:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c3a7b4$994f78a0$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEFFFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Ken,

I am writing a security utility aimed at other developers.  It is designed
to allow YOU (and me as a developer) to manage the presentation security of
a database front end.  IOW, what forms can a user / group open?  View?  Add
records to?  Delete records in?  Edit records in?  Etc.

As you can see, I am not necessarily "in control of" the target FE at design
time since the FE is YOURS.  Why would you want to open a form not visible?
Perhaps the form is a filter form that you use to feed values to a query.
Perhaps the form has a timer ticking that performs some process.  Perhaps...
uh... I have no damned idea what else you might decide to do with a form
that is open but that a selected group or groups of users are not allowed to
see.  I know that I personally use a hidden form to force a cleanup of my
framework when the database closes.  Since a form cannot close without it's
OnClose firing, I use that to run a Terminate() function that closes
everything gracefully.  So not matter how the db closes, my term() function
runs.

I cannot allow the users to unhide that since it is a background processing
form and they have no business there.

In the end though, the answer is I don't know why any given developer is
going to want to open a form that users can't see, I simply know that it
happens and I need to provide the developer with a means of enforcing this
security.

BTW, thanks for #2.  I knew that but never used it.  I will use that in my
own framework for hiding my cleanup form.  It may be an answer to re-opening
the form that the developer wants hidden such that users can't see them.

This thread has been a good one for me.

Thanks again.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John:

Two comments -

1. It escapes me why you would even want to manage an open, invisible form.
If the user can't view it, then by far the simplist thing to do is not open
it. Is there some other issue driving this need that you haven't elaborated
on?

2. The object method of opening a form, Set FormObject = New Form_FormName,
creates an invisible instance of your form. The user will be absolutely
unaware of its presence until you decide to show it by setting Visible
=True. That's the upside of this method. The downside is you can't use
DoCmd.OpenForm. Instead, you would have to write your own object-oriented
framework to manage the life of your forms.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


To expound a little, in my lightweight security I am trying to create
functionality such that if a user can open a form but not view that form,
then the form will open but immediately hide itself.

To test this scenario, in the forms Activate event I check whether the user
has permission to view the form.  If not I immediately set the form.visible
false.  When opening the form, Activate fires, but setting the form's
visible attribute false does not make the form invisible.

If I manually hide the form, then use Window / unhide to unhide the form,
Activate fires, the code sets visible false and the form immediately rehides
itself (as I would expect to happen).

If I manually use Window / Unhide a SECOND time, Activate NEVER FIRES so my
code does not get a chance to hide the form again.

You can test this for yourself by simply taking any form, creating an
Activate event stub, and placing me.visible = false in it.  The first time
you do Windows / Unhide the event fires, the second time it doesn't!

Furthermore, as you open the form the FIRST time, Activate fires, but
setting me.visible = false does not hide the form!

I do so love Access and all of it's "quirks/features/BUGS".

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:11 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 10 13:22:03 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:22:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
In-Reply-To: <16810.12.3.132.98.1068489751.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKGEDLHNAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>


  Define the IIF() expression as a column (field), then place criteria on
that.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:43 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query


Hey Group, I am not able to put conditions in queries whee I use IIF. What
is the alternate solution ?
This works ---

SELECT Table3.amount,
IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
","055"))) AS HH,
IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
FROM Table3;

however when  Iput in WHERE

SELECT Table3.amount,
IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
","055"))) AS HH,
IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
FROM Table3
WHERE JJ = "zzz"

doesn't work. I tried inserting GROUP BY by all statements, and then
HAVING, but doesn't work either...


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Nov 10 13:50:15 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:50:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
Message-ID: <006001c3a7c3$dc8a7a70$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them to open the back end directly and they got the message which said database appears to be corrupted would you like to attempt repair, which they did and it appeared to go OK.

However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a record to a detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the command DoCmd.GoToRecord ,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to specified record'. 

When I run the query that is the record source for the subform, it does indeed not allow additions.

When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database everything works OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.  

Can this db be saved?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently the person responsible for backup up...didn't.

From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Mon Nov 10 13:53:39 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:53:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKGEDLHNAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
References: <16810.12.3.132.98.1068489751.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
        <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKGEDLHNAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <16448.12.3.132.98.1068494019.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

I don't understand what you mean...

>   Define the IIF() expression as a column (field), then place criteria
> on
> that.
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:43 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
>
>
> Hey Group, I am not able to put conditions in queries whee I use IIF.
> What is the alternate solution ?
> This works ---
>
> SELECT Table3.amount,
> IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
> ","055"))) AS HH,
> IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
> FROM Table3;
>
> however when  Iput in WHERE
>
> SELECT Table3.amount,
> IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
> ","055"))) AS HH,
> IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
> FROM Table3
> WHERE JJ = "zzz"
>
> doesn't work. I tried inserting GROUP BY by all statements, and then
> HAVING, but doesn't work either...
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 10 14:02:03 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:02:03 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312430@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Rocky,

You've GOT to get some different clients! LOL

What version of Access and have you tried building a new query?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:50 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


Dear List:

A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them to
open the back end directly and they got the message which said database
appears to be corrupted would you like to attempt repair, which they did
and it appeared to go OK.

However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a record
to a detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the command
DoCmd.GoToRecord ,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to specified
record'. 

When I run the query that is the record source for the subform, it does
indeed not allow additions.

When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database everything
works OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.  

Can this db be saved?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently the
person responsible for backup up...didn't.
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 10 14:17:18 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:17:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKGEDLHNAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKIEDOHNAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Sorry, read the question without looking at the SQL.  The SQL you have looks
fine.  What's the problem your having?

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 2:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query



  Define the IIF() expression as a column (field), then place criteria on
that.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:43 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query


Hey Group, I am not able to put conditions in queries whee I use IIF. What
is the alternate solution ?
This works ---

SELECT Table3.amount,
IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
","055"))) AS HH,
IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
FROM Table3;

however when  Iput in WHERE

SELECT Table3.amount,
IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
","055"))) AS HH,
IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
FROM Table3
WHERE JJ = "zzz"

doesn't work. I tried inserting GROUP BY by all statements, and then
HAVING, but doesn't work either...


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov 10 14:29:25 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:29:25 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227510@main2.marlow.com>

SOL, on an easy method then! <grin> though I think Mike Mattys posted a few
code methods.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 6:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification


O2K

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 1:06 AM
To: 'AccessD '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification


What version of Outlook?  Looks like there was an option in versions before
2000.

Drew 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby
To: AccessD
Sent: 11/8/03 11:46 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification

Does anyone know how to turn off the little envelope icon that is placed
in
the tool tray when a new mail arrives?

John W. Colby
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Nov 10 14:33:40 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:33:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312430@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00a101c3a7c9$ed9d4d00$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Charlotte:

Hey - this is the kind of client that pays the rent.  Anyway, it's not in
the query (which is in the front end) because when I restore an older copy
of their BE db the FE works just fine.

Since my first post I have determined that there is a parent record
(agreement header) missing in the header table which has 4 child records
(agreement details) in the detail table.  FK in those child records points
to a non-existent PK in the parent table).

So I think the repair didn't.  But on the surface, the orphan child records
alone should not product the result they're getting.  OTOH, it points to
other possible problems in the BE.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


> Rocky,
>
> You've GOT to get some different clients! LOL
>
> What version of Access and have you tried building a new query?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:50 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them to
> open the back end directly and they got the message which said database
> appears to be corrupted would you like to attempt repair, which they did
> and it appeared to go OK.
>
> However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a record
> to a detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the command
> DoCmd.GoToRecord ,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to specified
> record'.
>
> When I run the query that is the record source for the subform, it does
> indeed not allow additions.
>
> When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database everything
> works OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.
>
> Can this db be saved?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
> P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently the
> person responsible for backup up...didn't.
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov 10 14:39:32 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:39:32 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227511@main2.marlow.com>

JC, did you try my repaint or doevents suggestion?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Ken,

I am writing a security utility aimed at other developers.  It is designed
to allow YOU (and me as a developer) to manage the presentation security of
a database front end.  IOW, what forms can a user / group open?  View?  Add
records to?  Delete records in?  Edit records in?  Etc.

As you can see, I am not necessarily "in control of" the target FE at design
time since the FE is YOURS.  Why would you want to open a form not visible?
Perhaps the form is a filter form that you use to feed values to a query.
Perhaps the form has a timer ticking that performs some process.  Perhaps...
uh... I have no damned idea what else you might decide to do with a form
that is open but that a selected group or groups of users are not allowed to
see.  I know that I personally use a hidden form to force a cleanup of my
framework when the database closes.  Since a form cannot close without it's
OnClose firing, I use that to run a Terminate() function that closes
everything gracefully.  So not matter how the db closes, my term() function
runs.

I cannot allow the users to unhide that since it is a background processing
form and they have no business there.

In the end though, the answer is I don't know why any given developer is
going to want to open a form that users can't see, I simply know that it
happens and I need to provide the developer with a means of enforcing this
security.

BTW, thanks for #2.  I knew that but never used it.  I will use that in my
own framework for hiding my cleanup form.  It may be an answer to re-opening
the form that the developer wants hidden such that users can't see them.

This thread has been a good one for me.

Thanks again.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John:

Two comments -

1. It escapes me why you would even want to manage an open, invisible form.
If the user can't view it, then by far the simplist thing to do is not open
it. Is there some other issue driving this need that you haven't elaborated
on?

2. The object method of opening a form, Set FormObject = New Form_FormName,
creates an invisible instance of your form. The user will be absolutely
unaware of its presence until you decide to show it by setting Visible
=True. That's the upside of this method. The downside is you can't use
DoCmd.OpenForm. Instead, you would have to write your own object-oriented
framework to manage the life of your forms.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


To expound a little, in my lightweight security I am trying to create
functionality such that if a user can open a form but not view that form,
then the form will open but immediately hide itself.

To test this scenario, in the forms Activate event I check whether the user
has permission to view the form.  If not I immediately set the form.visible
false.  When opening the form, Activate fires, but setting the form's
visible attribute false does not make the form invisible.

If I manually hide the form, then use Window / unhide to unhide the form,
Activate fires, the code sets visible false and the form immediately rehides
itself (as I would expect to happen).

If I manually use Window / Unhide a SECOND time, Activate NEVER FIRES so my
code does not get a chance to hide the form again.

You can test this for yourself by simply taking any form, creating an
Activate event stub, and placing me.visible = false in it.  The first time
you do Windows / Unhide the event fires, the second time it doesn't!

Furthermore, as you open the form the FIRST time, Activate fires, but
setting me.visible = false does not hide the form!

I do so love Access and all of it's "quirks/features/BUGS".

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:11 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Mon Nov 10 15:07:15 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:07:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKIEDOHNAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
References: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKGEDLHNAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
        <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKIEDOHNAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
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if i just say 'WHERE JJ = "zzz" 'I get prompted to enter Parameter
if i write
WHERE (((IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz"))="zzz"));
i get prompted for HH

Am I supposed to write it all out ?
the origina l is kinda long, and I keep getting lost in perentasis and
brackets

SELECT Table3.color, Table3.furniture, Table3.amount, IIf([Amount]="3
","055") AS Expr2, IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2
","060010",IIf([Amount]="3 ","055"))) AS HH, IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz") AS
JJ
FROM Table3

> Sorry, read the question without looking at the SQL.  The SQL you have
> looks fine.  What's the problem your having?
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 2:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
>
>
>
>   Define the IIF() expression as a column (field), then place criteria
> on
> that.
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:43 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
>
>
> Hey Group, I am not able to put conditions in queries whee I use IIF.
> What is the alternate solution ?
> This works ---
>
> SELECT Table3.amount,
> IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
> ","055"))) AS HH,
> IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
> FROM Table3;
>
> however when  Iput in WHERE
>
> SELECT Table3.amount,
> IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
> ","055"))) AS HH,
> IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
> FROM Table3
> WHERE JJ = "zzz"
>
> doesn't work. I tried inserting GROUP BY by all statements, and then
> HAVING, but doesn't work either...
>
>
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From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Mon Nov 10 15:38:37 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:38:37 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7CDF@EXCHMAIL>

Rocky, can you compact the db? Maybe it has corrupted records. Usually if its bad enough, you will get an error massage stating "you and another user are attempting to view the same record..." and leave you with an uncompacted mdb and a new db1.mdb. Maybe they got that message and didn't tell you when they repaired the mdb?

David

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


Charlotte:

Hey - this is the kind of client that pays the rent.  Anyway, it's not in
the query (which is in the front end) because when I restore an older copy
of their BE db the FE works just fine.

Since my first post I have determined that there is a parent record
(agreement header) missing in the header table which has 4 child records
(agreement details) in the detail table.  FK in those child records points
to a non-existent PK in the parent table).

So I think the repair didn't.  But on the surface, the orphan child records
alone should not product the result they're getting.  OTOH, it points to
other possible problems in the BE.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


> Rocky,
>
> You've GOT to get some different clients! LOL
>
> What version of Access and have you tried building a new query?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:50 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them to
> open the back end directly and they got the message which said database
> appears to be corrupted would you like to attempt repair, which they did
> and it appeared to go OK.
>
> However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a record
> to a detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the command
> DoCmd.GoToRecord ,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to specified
> record'.
>
> When I run the query that is the record source for the subform, it does
> indeed not allow additions.
>
> When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database everything
> works OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.
>
> Can this db be saved?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
> P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently the
> person responsible for backup up...didn't.
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Mon Nov 10 16:41:05 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:11:05 +1030
Subject: [AccessD] OT: registry backup
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A4FB@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

It would be in the location where you saved your most recent backup!

(Registry is backed up when you include 'system state')

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 11 November 2003 5:16 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: registry backup


Does anyone know if the registry is backed up automatically by Windows?  Can
it be?

I had a power failure this morning.  I have a UPS for each computer,
connected by serial port and they reported that they were shutting down
correctly, however when I came back up my main dev machine is pretty badly
mangled.  Had to go into safe mode and get rid of some of the start up stuff
to even get loaded, now just strange things - Access asks me if I want to
register my copy, the desktop is totally re-arranged, MS Messenger looks
different, Norton utilities won't run at all, Norton defrag says it's in a
bizarre location etc.

Sounds like a registry problem to me.

So... is there a backup somewhere?  If not, why not?

John W. Colby
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Nov 10 17:16:52 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:16:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
References: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7CDF@EXCHMAIL>
Message-ID: <00db01c3a7e0$b991f850$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

"Maybe they got that message and didn't tell you..."

I suppose that could possibly happen.  :)

Compact didn't help.  I even put it through the decompile even though there
was no code, just a shot in the dark..  no soap.

They were able to print out all of the data entered since their last backup,
and restore that backup and are now going to re-enter the data, and
hopefully they'll be a little more rigorous in the future about making and
verifying backups.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David McAfee" <DMcAfee at haascnc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:38 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


> Rocky, can you compact the db? Maybe it has corrupted records. Usually if
its bad enough, you will get an error massage stating "you and another user
are attempting to view the same record..." and leave you with an uncompacted
mdb and a new db1.mdb. Maybe they got that message and didn't tell you when
they repaired the mdb?
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:34 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> Charlotte:
>
> Hey - this is the kind of client that pays the rent.  Anyway, it's not in
> the query (which is in the front end) because when I restore an older copy
> of their BE db the FE works just fine.
>
> Since my first post I have determined that there is a parent record
> (agreement header) missing in the header table which has 4 child records
> (agreement details) in the detail table.  FK in those child records points
> to a non-existent PK in the parent table).
>
> So I think the repair didn't.  But on the surface, the orphan child
records
> alone should not product the result they're getting.  OTOH, it points to
> other possible problems in the BE.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > You've GOT to get some different clients! LOL
> >
> > What version of Access and have you tried building a new query?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:50 AM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them to
> > open the back end directly and they got the message which said database
> > appears to be corrupted would you like to attempt repair, which they did
> > and it appeared to go OK.
> >
> > However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a record
> > to a detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the command
> > DoCmd.GoToRecord ,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to specified
> > record'.
> >
> > When I run the query that is the record source for the subform, it does
> > indeed not allow additions.
> >
> > When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database everything
> > works OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.
> >
> > Can this db be saved?
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently the
> > person responsible for backup up...didn't.
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 10 17:33:27 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:33:27 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
In-Reply-To: <006001c3a7c3$dc8a7a70$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKICEPBEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Rocky,
Sounds like you might want to bookmark this site:
http://www.repair-access-database.com/
:o)

John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:50 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
> 
> 
> Dear List:
> 
> A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them 
> to open the back end directly and they got the message which said 
> database appears to be corrupted would you like to attempt 
> repair, which they did and it appeared to go OK.
> 
> However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a 
> record to a detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the 
> command DoCmd.GoToRecord ,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to 
> specified record'. 
> 
> When I run the query that is the record source for the subform, 
> it does indeed not allow additions.
> 
> When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database 
> everything works OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.  
> 
> Can this db be saved?
> 
> MTIA,
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 
> P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently 
> the person responsible for backup up...didn't.
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Nov 10 17:52:37 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:52:37 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKICEPBEMAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <00e701c3a7e5$b871a1f0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

John:

Done.  Thanks.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:33 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


> Hi Rocky,
> Sounds like you might want to bookmark this site:
> http://www.repair-access-database.com/
> :o)
>
> John B.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:50 PM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them
> > to open the back end directly and they got the message which said
> > database appears to be corrupted would you like to attempt
> > repair, which they did and it appeared to go OK.
> >
> > However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a
> > record to a detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the
> > command DoCmd.GoToRecord ,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to
> > specified record'.
> >
> > When I run the query that is the record source for the subform,
> > it does indeed not allow additions.
> >
> > When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database
> > everything works OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.
> >
> > Can this db be saved?
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently
> > the person responsible for backup up...didn't.
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 10 18:25:46 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:25:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEGCFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

65000 files in 7000 folders just in jcolby directory of documents and
settings.  Among them the PST file for Outlook.  What other buried treasures
are in there that should be in My Documents?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 10 19:01:00 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:01:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312433@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I HATE that documents and settings folder!  I put all my Outlook pst
files on my D: drive in a folder called Outlook.  Then I can find them
again and they aren't part of my ever expanding (metaphorically speaking
<G>) profile.  Um ... Where do you think "My Documents" is, John?
Unless you created one elsewhere, it and your desktop are also under
*documents and settings*.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 4:26 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe


65000 files in 7000 folders just in jcolby directory of documents and
settings.  Among them the PST file for Outlook.  What other buried
treasures are in there that should be in My Documents?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov 10 19:13:00 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:13:00 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222752B@main2.marlow.com>

You can move where 'My Documents' is pointing too.  It's pretty easy.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 7:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Would you believe


I HATE that documents and settings folder!  I put all my Outlook pst
files on my D: drive in a folder called Outlook.  Then I can find them
again and they aren't part of my ever expanding (metaphorically speaking
<G>) profile.  Um ... Where do you think "My Documents" is, John?
Unless you created one elsewhere, it and your desktop are also under
*documents and settings*.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 4:26 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe


65000 files in 7000 folders just in jcolby directory of documents and
settings.  Among them the PST file for Outlook.  What other buried
treasures are in there that should be in My Documents?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From djkr at msn.com  Mon Nov 10 19:42:20 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:42:20 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Would you believe
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEGCFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c3a7f5$0bb62b60$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

(123,000 here)  Why do you think that the .pst file should be in My
Documents?

John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: 11 November 2003 00:26
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
> 
> 
> 65000 files in 7000 folders just in jcolby directory of 
> documents and settings.  Among them the PST file for Outlook. 
>  What other buried treasures are in there that should be in 
> My Documents?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> 
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Mon Nov 10 20:11:44 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:11:44 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Would you believe
In-Reply-To: <002a01c3a7f5$0bb62b60$bf00a8c0@dabsight>
Message-ID: <009401c3a7f9$27999de0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Well ... I personally like to keep anything that needs to survive an OS install
on a separate partition.  If I need to zap my machine, I can wipe my c drive and
reinstall windows and the apps (or ghost them back).  I would be *really*
unhappy if the outlook.pst file was included in that wipe.  So it happens to be
one of the things that I moved out of documents and settings.

Personally I could quite happily lose most of the profiling that MS puts in
Documents and Settings, and I only use IE on activex required sites, so for me
not even things like bookmarks are kept there.  Though I did move them when I
used IE more.  I tended to and still do move a number of windows default
locations via registry hack ... That includes "My Documents" since many apps
default to that as a save location, and I don't want it buried down multiple
levels of folder on a drive that I plan to wipe when windows next decides to be
a nuisance.

This win2k install has been pretty good ... It has been 18 months since I built
this one, and as a developer I do mess around with it a bit.  I remember with
win98 going 6 months was pretty good.  But then I have also become somewhat
comfortable with manually (and I do mean manually) cleaning the registry of apps
that don't decide to play well with windows.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> DJK(John) Robinson
> Sent: Tuesday, 11 November, 2003 9:42 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Would you believe
>
>
> (123,000 here)  Why do you think that the .pst file should be in My
> Documents?
>
> John
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> John Colby
> > Sent: 11 November 2003 00:26
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
> >
> >
> > 65000 files in 7000 folders just in jcolby directory of
> > documents and settings.  Among them the PST file for Outlook.
> >  What other buried treasures are in there that should be in
> > My Documents?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
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From connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au  Mon Nov 10 20:14:38 2003
From: connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au (connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:14:38 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] RTrim
Message-ID: <OF9FA9103C.89DF58C3-ONCA256DDB.000C264A@agric.nsw.gov.au>

just a quick question


I have a database querie expression which is failing on a statement using 
RTrim. If I remove RTrim it works fine. 

I am on an XP machine running access 97 does anyone know any issue with 
RTrim and XP perhaps??

It works fine on a 98 machine with Access97.


Connie Kamrowski

Analyst/Programmer
Information Technology
NSW Agriculture
Orange



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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Nov 10 21:43:47 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:43:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Would you believe
References: <009401c3a7f9$27999de0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <3FB05AF3.6000908@shaw.ca>

I was just curious how much space was taken up by uninstalls for WinXP
both Service packs and hotfixes so I wrote this quick piece of code up
It just grabs the directory file size and totals the up.
Mine came to around 500 Mb for files such as

C:\WINDOWS\$NtServicePackUninstall$
C:\WINDOWS\$NtUninstallKB282010$



Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
'WriteFile("c:\windows")
  Public Function WriteFile(filespec)

      Dim objFSo
      Dim oFolder
      Dim cFolder
      Dim sReport
      Dim sUnit
      Dim s As String
      Dim ltot As Long
      ltot = 0
    Set objFSo = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
  '  Set sReport = objFSo.OpenTextFile("SpaceReport.TXT", ForAppending, 
True)
  '  sReport.Close
    Set oFolder = objFSo.GetFolder(filespec)
    Set cFolder = oFolder.SubFolders

    For Each sUnit In cFolder
     'If MinVal < sUnit.Size Then
     ' WriteFile (sUnit)
     If Mid(sUnit, 1, 14) = "C:\WINDOWS\$NT" Then
     ltot = ltot + sUnit.Size
     s = ShowFolderSize(sUnit)
     Debug.Print s
     ' Set sReport = objFSo.OpenTextFile("SpaceReport.TXT", 
ForAppending, True)
     ' sReport.WriteLine s
     ' sReport.Close
     End If
    Next
    Debug.Print "total=" & ltot & " -  " & ByteFilter(ltot)

  End Function
  Public Function ShowFolderSize(filespec) As String
  Dim FSO As Object
   Dim f As Object
   Dim BF As String
     Dim s As String
    If Right(filespec, 1) <> "\" Then
      filespec = filespec & "\"
    End If

    Set FSO = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set f = FSO.GetFolder(filespec)

'wscript.echo (f.size/1024)
' If Minval < f.size then

     BF = ByteFilter(f.Size)
      s = BF & vbTab & " are being used in:  " & vbTab & UCase(filespec)
      ShowFolderSize = s


' End If
  End Function


'---ByteFilter Function...----------------

  Public Function ByteFilter(ByteQuant) As String
  Dim BF As String
    If ByteQuant < 1024 Then
      BF = ByteQuant & vbTab & vbTab & "Bytes    "
    End If
    If 1024 <= ByteQuant And ByteQuant < 1048576 Then
      BF = CStr(ByteQuant / 1024) & vbTab & vbTab & "KiloBytes"
    End If
    If 1048576 <= ByteQuant And ByteQuant < 1073741824 Then
      BF = CStr(ByteQuant / 2 ^ 20) & vbTab & vbTab & "MegaBytes"
    End If
    If 1073741824 <= ByteQuant Then
      BF = CStr(ByteQuant / 2 ^ 30) & vbTab & vbTab & "GigaBytes"
    End If
  ByteFilter = BF
  End Function



-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From rjhjr at cox.net  Mon Nov 10 21:50:29 2003
From: rjhjr at cox.net (Bob Hall)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:50:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RTrim
In-Reply-To: <OF9FA9103C.89DF58C3-ONCA256DDB.000C264A@agric.nsw.gov.au>
References: <OF9FA9103C.89DF58C3-ONCA256DDB.000C264A@agric.nsw.gov.au>
Message-ID: <20031111035029.GA47446@kongemord.krig.net>

On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 01:14:38PM +1100, connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au wrote:
> just a quick question
> 
> 
> I have a database querie expression which is failing on a statement using 
> RTrim. If I remove RTrim it works fine. 
> 
> I am on an XP machine running access 97 does anyone know any issue with 
> RTrim and XP perhaps??
> 
> It works fine on a 98 machine with Access97.

It would make it easier if you supplied the error message(s). 

Check if you are missing any references in Access on the XP machine.
Functions will stop working if you lose the VBA reference, for example.

Bob Hall

From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov 11 03:09:09 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:09:09 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEFFFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEFFFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <1045175271.20031111100909@cactus.dk>

Hi John

I think Ken has a point here and that you maybe are overcomplicating
the task.
I mean - forms don't just open, and users don't unhide hidden forms;
how should they be able to do that when the developer has designed
menus and toolbars for his/her app?

Also, applying any form of security, light weight or not, the
developer will have to walk through the app from a to z and arrange
for modification of menus, buttons, labels ("Double click her to view
details") etc. If a button is labelled "Show details" on a form and it
should be disabled for certain users, he/she would need to either make
the button not visible or not enabled or pop up a message telling that
the user has been revoked rights to view the details; this I guess
would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool. Leaving the button as it is
and the user presses it and the details form just opens hidden is bad
UI design as the user has no chance for knowing what is going on other
than "it doesn't work".

/gustav


> Ken,

> I am writing a security utility aimed at other developers.  It is designed
> to allow YOU (and me as a developer) to manage the presentation security of
> a database front end.  IOW, what forms can a user / group open?  View?  Add
> records to?  Delete records in?  Edit records in?  Etc.

> As you can see, I am not necessarily "in control of" the target FE at design
> time since the FE is YOURS.  Why would you want to open a form not visible?
> Perhaps the form is a filter form that you use to feed values to a query.
> Perhaps the form has a timer ticking that performs some process.  Perhaps...
> uh... I have no damned idea what else you might decide to do with a form
> that is open but that a selected group or groups of users are not allowed to
> see.  I know that I personally use a hidden form to force a cleanup of my
> framework when the database closes.  Since a form cannot close without it's
> OnClose firing, I use that to run a Terminate() function that closes
> everything gracefully.  So not matter how the db closes, my term() function
> runs.

> I cannot allow the users to unhide that since it is a background processing
> form and they have no business there.

> In the end though, the answer is I don't know why any given developer is
> going to want to open a form that users can't see, I simply know that it
> happens and I need to provide the developer with a means of enforcing this
> security.

---

> 1. It escapes me why you would even want to manage an open, invisible form.
> If the user can't view it, then by far the simplist thing to do is not open
> it. Is there some other issue driving this need that you haven't elaborated
> on?


From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Tue Nov 11 03:37:01 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:37:01 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] Oleg - Where Clause in IIF query (Solved)
Message-ID: <22129108.1068543421488.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>

Oleg,
 
Have you solved this yet, if not try the code below (you need a double select statement to get it to work how you want)
 
SELECT * 
FROM 
(SELECT Table3.amount, 
IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3 ","055"))) AS HH, 
IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ 
FROM Table3 )
WHERE JJ = "zzz";
 
Because the first query (in brackets) need to run/resolve before you can ask for a value from the alias column HH
 
Paul Hartland
Database Designer/Developer

From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov 11 03:54:47 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:54:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Would you believe
In-Reply-To: <009401c3a7f9$27999de0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
References: <009401c3a7f9$27999de0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <1647912687.20031111105447@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

> This win2k install has been pretty good ... It has been 18 months since I built
> this one, and as a developer I do mess around with it a bit. ..

What are you people doing? Mine has been running for 38 months ...

/gustav


From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue Nov 11 06:11:43 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:11:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Would you believe
In-Reply-To: <1647912687.20031111105447@cactus.dk>
References: <009401c3a7f9$27999de0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <3FB08BAF.11962.56DE3@localhost>

On 11 Nov 2003 at 10:54, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Stuart
> 
> > This win2k install has been pretty good ... It has been 18 months
> > since I built this one, and as a developer I do mess around with it
> > a bit. ..
> 
> What are you people doing? Mine has been running for 38 months ...
> 
> /gustav


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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 11 06:25:03 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:25:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
In-Reply-To: <16363.12.3.132.98.1068498435.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEEKHNAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Oleg,

  OK a couple of things.  First, no you don't have to write it all out.
Second, is [Amount] a numeric field?  Your not treating it like one.  Also,
your iif's are looking for "2 "  (two and a space). Bad idea to have
embedded spaces.  Third, you omitted the false conditions on the last IIF()
in both field definitions (I put ???? in as the value).

  Last, if you find the syntax difficult, either use the query designer to
build the SQL statement (which is what I do when a SQL statement gets long)
or use a function to remove all the IIF()'s as already suggested.

  He is the correct SQL:

SELECT Table1.Color, Table1.Furniture, Table1.Amount, IIf([Amount]="4
","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount]="3 ","055","????"))) AS HH,
IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy","????")) AS JJ
FROM Table1;

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 4:07 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query


if i just say 'WHERE JJ = "zzz" 'I get prompted to enter Parameter
if i write
WHERE (((IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz"))="zzz"));
i get prompted for HH

Am I supposed to write it all out ?
the origina l is kinda long, and I keep getting lost in perentasis and
brackets

SELECT Table3.color, Table3.furniture, Table3.amount, IIf([Amount]="3
","055") AS Expr2, IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2
","060010",IIf([Amount]="3 ","055"))) AS HH, IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz") AS
JJ
FROM Table3

> Sorry, read the question without looking at the SQL.  The SQL you have
> looks fine.  What's the problem your having?
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 2:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
>
>
>
>   Define the IIF() expression as a column (field), then place criteria
> on
> that.
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:43 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
>
>
> Hey Group, I am not able to put conditions in queries whee I use IIF.
> What is the alternate solution ?
> This works ---
>
> SELECT Table3.amount,
> IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
> ","055"))) AS HH,
> IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
> FROM Table3;
>
> however when  Iput in WHERE
>
> SELECT Table3.amount,
> IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
> ","055"))) AS HH,
> IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
> FROM Table3
> WHERE JJ = "zzz"
>
> doesn't work. I tried inserting GROUP BY by all statements, and then
> HAVING, but doesn't work either...
>
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Tue Nov 11 06:51:36 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:51:36 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] Formatting/Sorting columns in Excel via Access
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Tue Nov 11 08:51:08 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:51:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C6292A5@natexch.jenkens.com>

There is my tried and true of dumping all of the database into a new blank
database.  That has fixed quite a lot of messed up databases for me.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:50 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


Dear List:

A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them to open
the back end directly and they got the message which said database appears
to be corrupted would you like to attempt repair, which they did and it
appeared to go OK.

However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a record to a
detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the command DoCmd.GoToRecord
,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to specified record'. 

When I run the query that is the record source for the subform, it does
indeed not allow additions.

When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database everything works
OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.  

Can this db be saved?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently the person
responsible for backup up...didn't.
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Nov 11 09:22:32 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:22:32 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
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I've used that with some success as well.  Especially where a form is
corrupted.  But in this particular case, it failed.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elam, Debbie" <DElam at jenkens.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:51 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


> There is my tried and true of dumping all of the database into a new blank
> database.  That has fixed quite a lot of messed up databases for me.
>
> Debbie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:50 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them to open
> the back end directly and they got the message which said database appears
> to be corrupted would you like to attempt repair, which they did and it
> appeared to go OK.
>
> However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a record to
a
> detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the command DoCmd.GoToRecord
> ,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to specified record'.
>
> When I run the query that is the record source for the subform, it does
> indeed not allow additions.
>
> When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database everything
works
> OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.
>
> Can this db be saved?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
> P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently the person
> responsible for backup up...didn't.
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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Nov 11 09:48:15 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:48:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEGCFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEEPEEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

JC
Sucks, doesn't it?

A right click on "My Documents" in W2k will let you move it with hacking.
Then move the main .pst file to that location, open Outlook, it will ask
where it went, browse to locate it and as Jerry Pournelle would say: "Bob's
your uncle". You might also want to move all of your other Outlook settings
files there. If you have any other .pst files it is best to close them in
Outlook, move them and then reopen them from there.

I like the idea of "My Documents" being a place where all of my personal
stuff goes, makes backups nice and easy. Back when I was a SysAdmin I used
to do the same thing for all the users. I couldn't of course make eveything
know about my special folder but you'd think MS would. It would be nice if
everything just referred to the registry setting and worked without a bunch
of dinking around so when I moved it to some comprehensible file path that I
didn't have to spend an hour adjusting everything! I'll admit its gotten
better since its inception, but it has a ways to go yet.

HTH
JB

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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 6:26 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
>
>
> 65000 files in 7000 folders just in jcolby directory of documents and
> settings.  Among them the PST file for Outlook.  What other
> buried treasures
> are in there that should be in My Documents?
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 11 09:51:48 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:51:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <1045175271.20031111100909@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEIEFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Gustav,

>I mean - forms don't just open

Of course forms "just open".  What do you think the switchboard does?  It
"just opens" forms.  And plenty of developers use the switchboard.

>and users don't unhide hidden forms

Of course users unhide forms.  Users poke and pry, and go where they aren't
supposed to, and find all the chinks in your armor.  If it's not supposed to
be done, and you have locked that sucker down tight, a user WILL get in
there!

>he/she would need to either make the button not visible or not enabled or
pop up a message telling that the user has been revoked rights to view the
details; this I guess would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool.

No, in fact that is exactly the goal of my tool.  It allows you to create up
to 31 groups and unlimited users.  You then add users to groups, ala Windows
or SQL Server.  You then tell LWS "These groups can SEE these forms".
"These groups can see this control on this form".  etc.

The flip side of this is that any groups NOT allowed to SEE those forms, by
definition CAN'T SEE those forms.  And it is the job of LWS to guarantee
that those users CAN'T see forms they are not supposed to see.  Thus my
email - how do I GUARANTEE that a form that the user is not supposed to see
remains invisible?

The point here is that every one who has responded so far has simply taken
the point of view that "the developer will guarantee" or "users won't" or
"of course the developer will get rid of menus" etc.

We all know that NONE of these statements are true.  Developers
consistently, every day, fail to guarantee...  Users, every day,
consistently break into places where they aren't supposed to be, often quite
by accident.  And Of course, developers consistently, year after year fail
to remove menus.  In fact clients consistently, year after year DEMAND that
menus remain.  It is not realistic to start from the perfect world and
assume none of these things happen.

I have a simple question.  How many of us know how to build a table.  The
first thing all of you will say (waving hand in the air shouting
frantically) is "I do, I do".  But in fact I don't have a clue how to build
a table.  Or more correctly I can figure it out using DAO, and I can figure
it out using SQL but what do I do under normal circumstances?  Use a WIZARD.
The wizard knows how to build a table, I know how to use a wizard to build a
table.  Same with queries.

I am attempting to design a system (a wizard) that a developer can use to
set up the type of security we are discussing here, which I call
"presentation security".  Light Weight Security allows the developer (or
even the client) to set up the groups and users.  Once these two tables are
initialized, there is a "wizard" that allows the developer to select forms
and then assign groups that can Open/See/Edit/Delete/AddRec etc.  Whatever
the developer decides is stored in a pair of tables (forms and controls).

Notice that all of these things (except open) are nothing more than
properties of the form.  LWS is attempting to manipulate form properties
based upon information stored in tables.

The wizard will allow the developer to select a form, see all of the
controls on the form, and select controls that you wish to lock down such
that only specific groups can See/Enter/Edit.

That is LWS.  The group / user login stuff is working.  The FORM security is
working (minus a few inconsistencies in being able to hide the forms).  The
control security is not finished yet.  My post to this group was an attempt
to figure out how to allow LWS to consistently and reliably control the
VISIBILITY of a form.  Access does not make it easy, but I have had a couple
of good suggestions that will help me solve this problem.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Hi John

I think Ken has a point here and that you maybe are overcomplicating
the task.
I mean - forms don't just open, and users don't unhide hidden forms;
how should they be able to do that when the developer has designed
menus and toolbars for his/her app?

Also, applying any form of security, light weight or not, the
developer will have to walk through the app from a to z and arrange
for modification of menus, buttons, labels ("Double click her to view
details") etc. If a button is labelled "Show details" on a form and it
should be disabled for certain users, he/she would need to either make
the button not visible or not enabled or pop up a message telling that
the user has been revoked rights to view the details; this I guess
would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool. Leaving the button as it is
and the user presses it and the details form just opens hidden is bad
UI design as the user has no chance for knowing what is going on other
than "it doesn't work".

/gustav


> Ken,

> I am writing a security utility aimed at other developers.  It is designed
> to allow YOU (and me as a developer) to manage the presentation security
of
> a database front end.  IOW, what forms can a user / group open?  View?
Add
> records to?  Delete records in?  Edit records in?  Etc.

> As you can see, I am not necessarily "in control of" the target FE at
design
> time since the FE is YOURS.  Why would you want to open a form not
visible?
> Perhaps the form is a filter form that you use to feed values to a query.
> Perhaps the form has a timer ticking that performs some process.
Perhaps...
> uh... I have no damned idea what else you might decide to do with a form
> that is open but that a selected group or groups of users are not allowed
to
> see.  I know that I personally use a hidden form to force a cleanup of my
> framework when the database closes.  Since a form cannot close without
it's
> OnClose firing, I use that to run a Terminate() function that closes
> everything gracefully.  So not matter how the db closes, my term()
function
> runs.

> I cannot allow the users to unhide that since it is a background
processing
> form and they have no business there.

> In the end though, the answer is I don't know why any given developer is
> going to want to open a form that users can't see, I simply know that it
> happens and I need to provide the developer with a means of enforcing this
> security.

---

> 1. It escapes me why you would even want to manage an open, invisible
form.
> If the user can't view it, then by far the simplist thing to do is not
open
> it. Is there some other issue driving this need that you haven't
elaborated
> on?

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From jmhla at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 11 09:56:51 2003
From: jmhla at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:56:51 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
In-Reply-To: <00db01c3a7e0$b991f850$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <001801c3a86c$6ce2e7d0$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>

Can you export t

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


"Maybe they got that message and didn't tell you..."

I suppose that could possibly happen.  :)

Compact didn't help.  I even put it through the decompile even though
there was no code, just a shot in the dark..  no soap.

They were able to print out all of the data entered since their last
backup, and restore that backup and are now going to re-enter the data,
and hopefully they'll be a little more rigorous in the future about
making and verifying backups.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David McAfee" <DMcAfee at haascnc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:38 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


> Rocky, can you compact the db? Maybe it has corrupted records. Usually

> if
its bad enough, you will get an error massage stating "you and another
user are attempting to view the same record..." and leave you with an
uncompacted mdb and a new db1.mdb. Maybe they got that message and
didn't tell you when they repaired the mdb?
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:34 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> Charlotte:
>
> Hey - this is the kind of client that pays the rent.  Anyway, it's not

> in the query (which is in the front end) because when I restore an 
> older copy of their BE db the FE works just fine.
>
> Since my first post I have determined that there is a parent record 
> (agreement header) missing in the header table which has 4 child 
> records (agreement details) in the detail table.  FK in those child 
> records points to a non-existent PK in the parent table).
>
> So I think the repair didn't.  But on the surface, the orphan child
records
> alone should not product the result they're getting.  OTOH, it points 
> to other possible problems in the BE.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > You've GOT to get some different clients! LOL
> >
> > What version of Access and have you tried building a new query?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:50 AM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them to

> > open the back end directly and they got the message which said 
> > database appears to be corrupted would you like to attempt repair, 
> > which they did and it appeared to go OK.
> >
> > However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a 
> > record to a detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the command

> > DoCmd.GoToRecord ,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to specified 
> > record'.
> >
> > When I run the query that is the record source for the subform, it 
> > does indeed not allow additions.
> >
> > When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database 
> > everything works OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.
> >
> > Can this db be saved?
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently the 
> > person responsible for backup up...didn't. 
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From jmhla at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 11 09:57:54 2003
From: jmhla at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:57:54 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
In-Reply-To: <00db01c3a7e0$b991f850$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <001901c3a86c$9525c280$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>

Can you export the BE into a new a new db. That has saved me once or t

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


"Maybe they got that message and didn't tell you..."

I suppose that could possibly happen.  :)

Compact didn't help.  I even put it through the decompile even though
there was no code, just a shot in the dark..  no soap.

They were able to print out all of the data entered since their last
backup, and restore that backup and are now going to re-enter the data,
and hopefully they'll be a little more rigorous in the future about
making and verifying backups.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David McAfee" <DMcAfee at haascnc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:38 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


> Rocky, can you compact the db? Maybe it has corrupted records. Usually

> if
its bad enough, you will get an error massage stating "you and another
user are attempting to view the same record..." and leave you with an
uncompacted mdb and a new db1.mdb. Maybe they got that message and
didn't tell you when they repaired the mdb?
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:34 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> Charlotte:
>
> Hey - this is the kind of client that pays the rent.  Anyway, it's not

> in the query (which is in the front end) because when I restore an 
> older copy of their BE db the FE works just fine.
>
> Since my first post I have determined that there is a parent record 
> (agreement header) missing in the header table which has 4 child 
> records (agreement details) in the detail table.  FK in those child 
> records points to a non-existent PK in the parent table).
>
> So I think the repair didn't.  But on the surface, the orphan child
records
> alone should not product the result they're getting.  OTOH, it points 
> to other possible problems in the BE.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > You've GOT to get some different clients! LOL
> >
> > What version of Access and have you tried building a new query?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:50 AM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them to

> > open the back end directly and they got the message which said 
> > database appears to be corrupted would you like to attempt repair, 
> > which they did and it appeared to go OK.
> >
> > However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a 
> > record to a detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the command

> > DoCmd.GoToRecord ,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to specified 
> > record'.
> >
> > When I run the query that is the record source for the subform, it 
> > does indeed not allow additions.
> >
> > When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database 
> > everything works OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.
> >
> > Can this db be saved?
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently the 
> > person responsible for backup up...didn't. 
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> >
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From jmhla at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 11 09:59:50 2003
From: jmhla at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:59:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database Trying again.
In-Reply-To: <00db01c3a7e0$b991f850$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <001a01c3a86c$da157700$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>


Can you export the tables into a new BE. Try one table at a time to help
you identify where the problem is.

It has helped me once or twice.

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


"Maybe they got that message and didn't tell you..."

I suppose that could possibly happen.  :)

Compact didn't help.  I even put it through the decompile even though
there was no code, just a shot in the dark..  no soap.

They were able to print out all of the data entered since their last
backup, and restore that backup and are now going to re-enter the data,
and hopefully they'll be a little more rigorous in the future about
making and verifying backups.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David McAfee" <DMcAfee at haascnc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:38 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


> Rocky, can you compact the db? Maybe it has corrupted records. Usually

> if
its bad enough, you will get an error massage stating "you and another
user are attempting to view the same record..." and leave you with an
uncompacted mdb and a new db1.mdb. Maybe they got that message and
didn't tell you when they repaired the mdb?
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:34 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> Charlotte:
>
> Hey - this is the kind of client that pays the rent.  Anyway, it's not

> in the query (which is in the front end) because when I restore an 
> older copy of their BE db the FE works just fine.
>
> Since my first post I have determined that there is a parent record 
> (agreement header) missing in the header table which has 4 child 
> records (agreement details) in the detail table.  FK in those child 
> records points to a non-existent PK in the parent table).
>
> So I think the repair didn't.  But on the surface, the orphan child
records
> alone should not product the result they're getting.  OTOH, it points 
> to other possible problems in the BE.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > You've GOT to get some different clients! LOL
> >
> > What version of Access and have you tried building a new query?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:50 AM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them to

> > open the back end directly and they got the message which said 
> > database appears to be corrupted would you like to attempt repair, 
> > which they did and it appeared to go OK.
> >
> > However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a 
> > record to a detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the command

> > DoCmd.GoToRecord ,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to specified 
> > record'.
> >
> > When I run the query that is the record source for the subform, it 
> > does indeed not allow additions.
> >
> > When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database 
> > everything works OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.
> >
> > Can this db be saved?
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently the 
> > person responsible for backup up...didn't. 
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
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> >
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From scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com  Tue Nov 11 10:06:07 2003
From: scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com (Steve Capistrant)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:06:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database Trying again.
In-Reply-To: <001a01c3a86c$da157700$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>
Message-ID: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGOEBJDBAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>

Here's a trick that helps if your corruption rests in only selected records
(which I've experienced).  Open the suspected table, and sort the first
field, first in ascending order, then in descending order.  Bad records
often show up with garbled data displays at the top or bottom of sorted
lists.  Manually delete the offending records.  Repeat for each field.  Can
cure the whole table if corruption is isolated to records.

Steve Capistrant
Symphony Information Services
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 763-391-7400
7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
Brooklyn Park, MN 55428




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 11 10:15:49 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:15:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312434@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Am I missing something, John?  If you're using a forms class, wouldn't
there be a test in the Form_Open event of the class to see whether the
user is allowed to view the form?  Or are you talking about users
managing to find their way into forms already opened hidden?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Gustav,

>I mean - forms don't just open

Of course forms "just open".  What do you think the switchboard does?
It "just opens" forms.  And plenty of developers use the switchboard.

>and users don't unhide hidden forms

Of course users unhide forms.  Users poke and pry, and go where they
aren't supposed to, and find all the chinks in your armor.  If it's not
supposed to be done, and you have locked that sucker down tight, a user
WILL get in there!

>he/she would need to either make the button not visible or not enabled 
>or
pop up a message telling that the user has been revoked rights to view
the details; this I guess would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool.

No, in fact that is exactly the goal of my tool.  It allows you to
create up to 31 groups and unlimited users.  You then add users to
groups, ala Windows or SQL Server.  You then tell LWS "These groups can
SEE these forms". "These groups can see this control on this form".
etc.

The flip side of this is that any groups NOT allowed to SEE those forms,
by definition CAN'T SEE those forms.  And it is the job of LWS to
guarantee that those users CAN'T see forms they are not supposed to see.
Thus my email - how do I GUARANTEE that a form that the user is not
supposed to see remains invisible?

The point here is that every one who has responded so far has simply
taken the point of view that "the developer will guarantee" or "users
won't" or "of course the developer will get rid of menus" etc.

We all know that NONE of these statements are true.  Developers
consistently, every day, fail to guarantee...  Users, every day,
consistently break into places where they aren't supposed to be, often
quite by accident.  And Of course, developers consistently, year after
year fail to remove menus.  In fact clients consistently, year after
year DEMAND that menus remain.  It is not realistic to start from the
perfect world and assume none of these things happen.

I have a simple question.  How many of us know how to build a table.
The first thing all of you will say (waving hand in the air shouting
frantically) is "I do, I do".  But in fact I don't have a clue how to
build a table.  Or more correctly I can figure it out using DAO, and I
can figure it out using SQL but what do I do under normal circumstances?
Use a WIZARD. The wizard knows how to build a table, I know how to use a
wizard to build a table.  Same with queries.

I am attempting to design a system (a wizard) that a developer can use
to set up the type of security we are discussing here, which I call
"presentation security".  Light Weight Security allows the developer (or
even the client) to set up the groups and users.  Once these two tables
are initialized, there is a "wizard" that allows the developer to select
forms and then assign groups that can Open/See/Edit/Delete/AddRec etc.
Whatever the developer decides is stored in a pair of tables (forms and
controls).

Notice that all of these things (except open) are nothing more than
properties of the form.  LWS is attempting to manipulate form properties
based upon information stored in tables.

The wizard will allow the developer to select a form, see all of the
controls on the form, and select controls that you wish to lock down
such that only specific groups can See/Enter/Edit.

That is LWS.  The group / user login stuff is working.  The FORM
security is working (minus a few inconsistencies in being able to hide
the forms).  The control security is not finished yet.  My post to this
group was an attempt to figure out how to allow LWS to consistently and
reliably control the VISIBILITY of a form.  Access does not make it
easy, but I have had a couple of good suggestions that will help me
solve this problem.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Hi John

I think Ken has a point here and that you maybe are overcomplicating the
task. I mean - forms don't just open, and users don't unhide hidden
forms; how should they be able to do that when the developer has
designed menus and toolbars for his/her app?

Also, applying any form of security, light weight or not, the developer
will have to walk through the app from a to z and arrange for
modification of menus, buttons, labels ("Double click her to view
details") etc. If a button is labelled "Show details" on a form and it
should be disabled for certain users, he/she would need to either make
the button not visible or not enabled or pop up a message telling that
the user has been revoked rights to view the details; this I guess would
be beyond the goal of your LWS tool. Leaving the button as it is and the
user presses it and the details form just opens hidden is bad UI design
as the user has no chance for knowing what is going on other than "it
doesn't work".

/gustav


> Ken,

> I am writing a security utility aimed at other developers.  It is 
> designed to allow YOU (and me as a developer) to manage the 
> presentation security
of
> a database front end.  IOW, what forms can a user / group open?  View?
Add
> records to?  Delete records in?  Edit records in?  Etc.

> As you can see, I am not necessarily "in control of" the target FE at
design
> time since the FE is YOURS.  Why would you want to open a form not
visible?
> Perhaps the form is a filter form that you use to feed values to a 
> query. Perhaps the form has a timer ticking that performs some 
> process.
Perhaps...
> uh... I have no damned idea what else you might decide to do with a 
> form that is open but that a selected group or groups of users are not

> allowed
to
> see.  I know that I personally use a hidden form to force a cleanup of

> my framework when the database closes.  Since a form cannot close 
> without
it's
> OnClose firing, I use that to run a Terminate() function that closes 
> everything gracefully.  So not matter how the db closes, my term()
function
> runs.

> I cannot allow the users to unhide that since it is a background
processing
> form and they have no business there.

> In the end though, the answer is I don't know why any given developer 
> is going to want to open a form that users can't see, I simply know 
> that it happens and I need to provide the developer with a means of 
> enforcing this security.

---

> 1. It escapes me why you would even want to manage an open, invisible
form.
> If the user can't view it, then by far the simplist thing to do is not
open
> it. Is there some other issue driving this need that you haven't
elaborated
> on?

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Nov 11 10:16:15 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:16:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database Trying again.
References: <001a01c3a86c$da157700$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>
Message-ID: <008e01c3a86f$220fe890$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Tried.  No soap.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Hecht" <jmhla at earthlink.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:59 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database Trying again.


>
> Can you export the tables into a new BE. Try one table at a time to help
> you identify where the problem is.
>
> It has helped me once or twice.
>
> Joe Hecht
> Los Angeles CA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:17 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> "Maybe they got that message and didn't tell you..."
>
> I suppose that could possibly happen.  :)
>
> Compact didn't help.  I even put it through the decompile even though
> there was no code, just a shot in the dark..  no soap.
>
> They were able to print out all of the data entered since their last
> backup, and restore that backup and are now going to re-enter the data,
> and hopefully they'll be a little more rigorous in the future about
> making and verifying backups.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David McAfee" <DMcAfee at haascnc.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:38 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> > Rocky, can you compact the db? Maybe it has corrupted records. Usually
>
> > if
> its bad enough, you will get an error massage stating "you and another
> user are attempting to view the same record..." and leave you with an
> uncompacted mdb and a new db1.mdb. Maybe they got that message and
> didn't tell you when they repaired the mdb?
> >
> > David
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
>
> > - Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:34 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
> >
> >
> > Charlotte:
> >
> > Hey - this is the kind of client that pays the rent.  Anyway, it's not
>
> > in the query (which is in the front end) because when I restore an
> > older copy of their BE db the FE works just fine.
> >
> > Since my first post I have determined that there is a parent record
> > (agreement header) missing in the header table which has 4 child
> > records (agreement details) in the detail table.  FK in those child
> > records points to a non-existent PK in the parent table).
> >
> > So I think the repair didn't.  But on the surface, the orphan child
> records
> > alone should not product the result they're getting.  OTOH, it points
> > to other possible problems in the BE.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:02 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
> >
> >
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > You've GOT to get some different clients! LOL
> > >
> > > What version of Access and have you tried building a new query?
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:50 AM
> > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > > A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them to
>
> > > open the back end directly and they got the message which said
> > > database appears to be corrupted would you like to attempt repair,
> > > which they did and it appeared to go OK.
> > >
> > > However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a
> > > record to a detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the command
>
> > > DoCmd.GoToRecord ,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to specified
> > > record'.
> > >
> > > When I run the query that is the record source for the subform, it
> > > does indeed not allow additions.
> > >
> > > When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database
> > > everything works OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.
> > >
> > > Can this db be saved?
> > >
> > > MTIA,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > >
> > > P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently the
> > > person responsible for backup up...didn't.
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov 11 10:53:41 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:53:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEIEFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEIEFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <11233046458.20031111175341@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Well, we must live in different worlds. Most of our users are in
runtime environments and even those with full versions of Access
don't fool around with the apps - and they indeed "don't just open
forms" - they use the UI.

If wild users is the developer's concern, a LWS tool is not an option
- his/hers only way to go is full Access security - if not applied,
these users will, of course, find your LWS tables.

Also, I've used the table wizard once - and that was it. The only
wizards I've found a use for are that for creating a simple report and
that for creating a group box. The Access switch board and the table
structure behind it is terrible; I've found it just as quick to design
a main form for that purpose and a single table or two holding the
user level security.

I'm not saying there isn't a need for a LWS system, just that it will
not fully block the scenarios you draw which means you could pay less
attention to those extremes. How many users know a form can be hidden?
Not to say how to locate a hidden form and unhide it? Why should they?
Most users have work to do.

/gustav


> Gustav,

>>I mean - forms don't just open

> Of course forms "just open".  What do you think the switchboard does?  It
> "just opens" forms.  And plenty of developers use the switchboard.

>>and users don't unhide hidden forms

> Of course users unhide forms.  Users poke and pry, and go where they aren't
> supposed to, and find all the chinks in your armor.  If it's not supposed to
> be done, and you have locked that sucker down tight, a user WILL get in
> there!

>>he/she would need to either make the button not visible or not enabled or
> pop up a message telling that the user has been revoked rights to view the
> details; this I guess would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool.

> No, in fact that is exactly the goal of my tool.  It allows you to create up
> to 31 groups and unlimited users.  You then add users to groups, ala Windows
> or SQL Server.  You then tell LWS "These groups can SEE these forms".
> "These groups can see this control on this form".  etc.

> The flip side of this is that any groups NOT allowed to SEE those forms, by
> definition CAN'T SEE those forms.  And it is the job of LWS to guarantee
> that those users CAN'T see forms they are not supposed to see.  Thus my
> email - how do I GUARANTEE that a form that the user is not supposed to see
> remains invisible?

> The point here is that every one who has responded so far has simply taken
> the point of view that "the developer will guarantee" or "users won't" or
> "of course the developer will get rid of menus" etc.

> We all know that NONE of these statements are true.  Developers
> consistently, every day, fail to guarantee...  Users, every day,
> consistently break into places where they aren't supposed to be, often quite
> by accident.  And Of course, developers consistently, year after year fail
> to remove menus.  In fact clients consistently, year after year DEMAND that
> menus remain.  It is not realistic to start from the perfect world and
> assume none of these things happen.

> I have a simple question.  How many of us know how to build a table.  The
> first thing all of you will say (waving hand in the air shouting
> frantically) is "I do, I do".  But in fact I don't have a clue how to build
> a table.  Or more correctly I can figure it out using DAO, and I can figure
> it out using SQL but what do I do under normal circumstances?  Use a WIZARD.
> The wizard knows how to build a table, I know how to use a wizard to build a
> table.  Same with queries.

> I am attempting to design a system (a wizard) that a developer can use to
> set up the type of security we are discussing here, which I call
> "presentation security".  Light Weight Security allows the developer (or
> even the client) to set up the groups and users.  Once these two tables are
> initialized, there is a "wizard" that allows the developer to select forms
> and then assign groups that can Open/See/Edit/Delete/AddRec etc.  Whatever
> the developer decides is stored in a pair of tables (forms and controls).

> Notice that all of these things (except open) are nothing more than
> properties of the form.  LWS is attempting to manipulate form properties
> based upon information stored in tables.

> The wizard will allow the developer to select a form, see all of the
> controls on the form, and select controls that you wish to lock down such
> that only specific groups can See/Enter/Edit.

> That is LWS.  The group / user login stuff is working.  The FORM security is
> working (minus a few inconsistencies in being able to hide the forms).  The
> control security is not finished yet.  My post to this group was an attempt
> to figure out how to allow LWS to consistently and reliably control the
> VISIBILITY of a form.  Access does not make it easy, but I have had a couple
> of good suggestions that will help me solve this problem.

> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


> Hi John

> I think Ken has a point here and that you maybe are overcomplicating
> the task.
> I mean - forms don't just open, and users don't unhide hidden forms;
> how should they be able to do that when the developer has designed
> menus and toolbars for his/her app?

> Also, applying any form of security, light weight or not, the
> developer will have to walk through the app from a to z and arrange
> for modification of menus, buttons, labels ("Double click her to view
> details") etc. If a button is labelled "Show details" on a form and it
> should be disabled for certain users, he/she would need to either make
> the button not visible or not enabled or pop up a message telling that
> the user has been revoked rights to view the details; this I guess
> would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool. Leaving the button as it is
> and the user presses it and the details form just opens hidden is bad
> UI design as the user has no chance for knowing what is going on other
> than "it doesn't work".


From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Tue Nov 11 12:21:01 2003
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:21:01 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <11233046458.20031111175341@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003801c3a880$9000aef0$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>


John,

I guess my angle is cost vs. benefit. It seems to me that the effort
required to implement this feature in _precisely_ this way outweighs the
value it gives to your target developer audience, and their users.

I can only speak for myself, but I suspect most developers would be OK with
a slight redefinition: Open = Open permission AND View permission for that
form.

Maybe you could add a LWS form class called 'Hidden', which could only be
opened in code with Admin permissions, but whose visibility is not
manipulated by LWS.

Or, you could turn the problem on its side, and ask whether View permissions
are really necessary: maybe if you can Open the form, it has whatever
visibility is granted by the developer. If you can't open it, visibility
doesn't matter. If this is acceptable, it would simplify using, coding and
supporting the app.

One of the hardest tasks in development is determining the boundaries of
your project. It has to do some needed thing in a slick enough way to
attract customers. But, it can't be so intrusive that it needlessly hinders,
either. Getting that balance is tough. That's why its good to get input from
others, so you can better determine where to make compromises, and where to
stand firm.

-Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 10:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Hi John

Well, we must live in different worlds. Most of our users are in
runtime environments and even those with full versions of Access
don't fool around with the apps - and they indeed "don't just open
forms" - they use the UI.

If wild users is the developer's concern, a LWS tool is not an option
- his/hers only way to go is full Access security - if not applied,
these users will, of course, find your LWS tables.

Also, I've used the table wizard once - and that was it. The only
wizards I've found a use for are that for creating a simple report and
that for creating a group box. The Access switch board and the table
structure behind it is terrible; I've found it just as quick to design
a main form for that purpose and a single table or two holding the
user level security.

I'm not saying there isn't a need for a LWS system, just that it will
not fully block the scenarios you draw which means you could pay less
attention to those extremes. How many users know a form can be hidden?
Not to say how to locate a hidden form and unhide it? Why should they?
Most users have work to do.

/gustav


> Gustav,

>>I mean - forms don't just open

> Of course forms "just open".  What do you think the switchboard does?  It
> "just opens" forms.  And plenty of developers use the switchboard.

>>and users don't unhide hidden forms

> Of course users unhide forms.  Users poke and pry, and go where they
aren't
> supposed to, and find all the chinks in your armor.  If it's not supposed
to
> be done, and you have locked that sucker down tight, a user WILL get in
> there!

>>he/she would need to either make the button not visible or not enabled or
> pop up a message telling that the user has been revoked rights to view the
> details; this I guess would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool.

> No, in fact that is exactly the goal of my tool.  It allows you to create
up
> to 31 groups and unlimited users.  You then add users to groups, ala
Windows
> or SQL Server.  You then tell LWS "These groups can SEE these forms".
> "These groups can see this control on this form".  etc.

> The flip side of this is that any groups NOT allowed to SEE those forms,
by
> definition CAN'T SEE those forms.  And it is the job of LWS to guarantee
> that those users CAN'T see forms they are not supposed to see.  Thus my
> email - how do I GUARANTEE that a form that the user is not supposed to
see
> remains invisible?

> The point here is that every one who has responded so far has simply taken
> the point of view that "the developer will guarantee" or "users won't" or
> "of course the developer will get rid of menus" etc.

> We all know that NONE of these statements are true.  Developers
> consistently, every day, fail to guarantee...  Users, every day,
> consistently break into places where they aren't supposed to be, often
quite
> by accident.  And Of course, developers consistently, year after year fail
> to remove menus.  In fact clients consistently, year after year DEMAND
that
> menus remain.  It is not realistic to start from the perfect world and
> assume none of these things happen.

> I have a simple question.  How many of us know how to build a table.  The
> first thing all of you will say (waving hand in the air shouting
> frantically) is "I do, I do".  But in fact I don't have a clue how to
build
> a table.  Or more correctly I can figure it out using DAO, and I can
figure
> it out using SQL but what do I do under normal circumstances?  Use a
WIZARD.
> The wizard knows how to build a table, I know how to use a wizard to build
a
> table.  Same with queries.

> I am attempting to design a system (a wizard) that a developer can use to
> set up the type of security we are discussing here, which I call
> "presentation security".  Light Weight Security allows the developer (or
> even the client) to set up the groups and users.  Once these two tables
are
> initialized, there is a "wizard" that allows the developer to select forms
> and then assign groups that can Open/See/Edit/Delete/AddRec etc.  Whatever
> the developer decides is stored in a pair of tables (forms and controls).

> Notice that all of these things (except open) are nothing more than
> properties of the form.  LWS is attempting to manipulate form properties
> based upon information stored in tables.

> The wizard will allow the developer to select a form, see all of the
> controls on the form, and select controls that you wish to lock down such
> that only specific groups can See/Enter/Edit.

> That is LWS.  The group / user login stuff is working.  The FORM security
is
> working (minus a few inconsistencies in being able to hide the forms).
The
> control security is not finished yet.  My post to this group was an
attempt
> to figure out how to allow LWS to consistently and reliably control the
> VISIBILITY of a form.  Access does not make it easy, but I have had a
couple
> of good suggestions that will help me solve this problem.

> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


> Hi John

> I think Ken has a point here and that you maybe are overcomplicating
> the task.
> I mean - forms don't just open, and users don't unhide hidden forms;
> how should they be able to do that when the developer has designed
> menus and toolbars for his/her app?

> Also, applying any form of security, light weight or not, the
> developer will have to walk through the app from a to z and arrange
> for modification of menus, buttons, labels ("Double click her to view
> details") etc. If a button is labelled "Show details" on a form and it
> should be disabled for certain users, he/she would need to either make
> the button not visible or not enabled or pop up a message telling that
> the user has been revoked rights to view the details; this I guess
> would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool. Leaving the button as it is
> and the user presses it and the details form just opens hidden is bad
> UI design as the user has no chance for knowing what is going on other
> than "it doesn't work".



From conny at qad.se  Tue Nov 11 16:22:25 2003
From: conny at qad.se (Conny Johansson)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:22:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile
Message-ID: <20031111222336.EE7C22B11B@boxmail1.box.se>

Hi 
I usually archive all the posts from this great list. 
Due to a computer crash I cant find them at the moment so.... 

A while back there where questions about sample data and someone posted a
link to a textfile with 300 000 post. 
Anyone still got that adress? 

I also recall that sometime ago someone mentioned that he/she had all US and
Canadian zip-codes 
I would be glad for those as well. 
Please mail me offlist if you can help with this. 

H?lsningar / Regards 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Nov 11 16:37:19 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:37:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile
In-Reply-To: <20031111222336.EE7C22B11B@boxmail1.box.se>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFEEKJCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Conny:

You could check out the archive at Drews site. It can be reached through
http://www.databaseadvisors.com/archive/archive.htm or directly
http://wolfwares.com/AccessD/default.asp

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Conny
Johansson
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:22 PM
To: 'Access Developers list'
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile


Hi
I usually archive all the posts from this great list.
Due to a computer crash I cant find them at the moment so....

A while back there where questions about sample data and someone posted a
link to a textfile with 300 000 post.
Anyone still got that adress?

I also recall that sometime ago someone mentioned that he/she had all US and
Canadian zip-codes
I would be glad for those as well.
Please mail me offlist if you can help with this.

H?lsningar / Regards
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Nov 11 16:40:54 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:40:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222753D@main2.marlow.com>

In case no one has that, the archives are at http://wolfwares.com/AccessD .

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Conny Johansson [mailto:conny at qad.se]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:22 PM
To: 'Access Developers list'
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile


Hi 
I usually archive all the posts from this great list. 
Due to a computer crash I cant find them at the moment so.... 

A while back there where questions about sample data and someone posted a
link to a textfile with 300 000 post. 
Anyone still got that adress? 

I also recall that sometime ago someone mentioned that he/she had all US and
Canadian zip-codes 
I would be glad for those as well. 
Please mail me offlist if you can help with this. 

H?lsningar / Regards 
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From conny at qad.se  Tue Nov 11 16:48:56 2003
From: conny at qad.se (Conny Johansson)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:48:56 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFEEKJCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <20031111225007.EE3502B11B@boxmail1.box.se>

  
I tried searching the arhcives on Drews site but with no success. 
That's my first choice 
/Conny 
-----Original Message----- 
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)

Sent: den 11 november 2003 23:37 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sample textfile 

Hi Conny: 

You could check out the archive at Drews site. It can be reached through 
http://www.databaseadvisors.com/archive/archive.htm or directly 
http://wolfwares.com/AccessD/default.asp 

HTH 
Jim 

-----Original Message----- 
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Conny 
Johansson 
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:22 PM 
To: 'Access Developers list' 
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile 


Hi 
I usually archive all the posts from this great list. 
Due to a computer crash I cant find them at the moment so.... 

A while back there where questions about sample data and someone posted a 
link to a textfile with 300 000 post. 
Anyone still got that adress? 

I also recall that sometime ago someone mentioned that he/she had all US and

Canadian zip-codes 
I would be glad for those as well. 
Please mail me offlist if you can help with this. 

H?lsningar / Regards 
Conny Johansson 



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From davesharpe2 at cox.net  Tue Nov 11 18:09:52 2003
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net (Dave Sharpe)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:09:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile
References: <20031111222336.EE7C22B11B@boxmail1.box.se>
Message-ID: <08e101c3a8b1$4bd53e90$dd2f0a44@bcsext6137>

Conny

There is a zipcode mdb available for free download from
http://www.globalpresence.com.au/exchange/support/

Dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Conny Johansson" <conny at qad.se>
To: "'Access Developers list'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 5:22 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile


Hi
I usually archive all the posts from this great list.
Due to a computer crash I cant find them at the moment so....

A while back there where questions about sample data and someone posted a
link to a textfile with 300 000 post.
Anyone still got that adress?

I also recall that sometime ago someone mentioned that he/she had all US and
Canadian zip-codes
I would be glad for those as well.
Please mail me offlist if you can help with this.

H?lsningar / Regards
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From pjewett at bayplace.com  Tue Nov 11 20:34:31 2003
From: pjewett at bayplace.com (Phil Jewett)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:34:31 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 insists on SQL Server trusted connection
Message-ID: <D3C4180250579C42A9C6A5A199772138068B59@comet.home.bayplace.com>

When I run my Access 2000 frontend on a Windows XP/Access 2002 box, the
SQL Server 2000 login fails, insisting on the 'trusted connection'
network login instead of the SQL Server authentication in the ODBC
connection string.  This was presumably fixed in MDAC 2.6 SP2 - but
maybe only for Access 2000.  It's still there for Access 2002!  See
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;279526 for MS's
info.  Any help on this?

Thanks,

Phil Jewett


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Nov 11 23:29:09 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:29:09 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 insists on SQL Server trusted connection
In-Reply-To: <D3C4180250579C42A9C6A5A199772138068B59@comet.home.bayplace.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMEKKCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Phil:

The FE, in this case A2K has no bearing on whether the connection is
established. The issues are with either the ODBC setup, driver or how the
SQL server is setup. If the server is setup to access a 'Trusted' or
NT/2000/2003 authentication, the connection will be as follows...

code >>>

Public Function GetConnected() as boolean

Public mobjConn As ADODB.Connection
Public gstrConnection As String

On Error GoTo Err_NotConnected

' Initialize fail
GetConnected = False

' Connecting to the SQL (7/2000) server
gstrConnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB; _
		   Initial Catalog=MyDatabaseName; _
		   Data Source=MyServer; _
		   Integrated Security=SSPI" 'Use the M$ security

' Test connection string
Set mobjConn = New ADODB.Connection
mobjConn.ConnectionString = gstrConnection
mobjConn.Open	' This line succeeds or fails

' Success...
GetConnected = True

MsgBox "You are connected "

Exit_GetConnected:
 Exit Sub

Err_NotConnected:
 MsgBox "You are not connected "
 Resume Exit_GetConnected

End Function

>>> code

Something simple like above will test the connection. It works for any
version of Access. Note: The Access reference to the MS ADO has to be set
first for this to run.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Phil Jewett
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 insists on SQL Server trusted connection


When I run my Access 2000 frontend on a Windows XP/Access 2002 box, the
SQL Server 2000 login fails, insisting on the 'trusted connection'
network login instead of the SQL Server authentication in the ODBC
connection string.  This was presumably fixed in MDAC 2.6 SP2 - but
maybe only for Access 2000.  It's still there for Access 2002!  See
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;279526 for MS's
info.  Any help on this?

Thanks,

Phil Jewett

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From conny at qad.se  Wed Nov 12 00:34:30 2003
From: conny at qad.se (Conny Johansson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:34:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile
In-Reply-To: <08e101c3a8b1$4bd53e90$dd2f0a44@bcsext6137>
Message-ID: <20031112063545.E62112B11B@boxmail1.box.se>

Thanks a lot Dave 
Now, if someone could provide a link to a >300 000 persons  textfile as
well, then I'm all set. 
/Conny 

-----Original Message----- 
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sharpe 
Sent: den 12 november 2003 01:10 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sample textfile 

Conny 

There is a zipcode mdb available for free download from 
http://www.globalpresence.com.au/exchange/support/ 

Dave 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Conny Johansson" <conny at qad.se> 
To: "'Access Developers list'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 5:22 PM 
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile 


Hi 
I usually archive all the posts from this great list. 
Due to a computer crash I cant find them at the moment so.... 

A while back there where questions about sample data and someone posted a 
link to a textfile with 300 000 post. 
Anyone still got that adress? 

I also recall that sometime ago someone mentioned that he/she had all US and

Canadian zip-codes 
I would be glad for those as well. 
Please mail me offlist if you can help with this. 

H?lsningar / Regards 
Conny Johansson 



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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov 12 02:38:12 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:38:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile
In-Reply-To: <20031112063545.E62112B11B@boxmail1.box.se>
References: <08e101c3a8b1$4bd53e90$dd2f0a44@bcsext6137>
Message-ID: <3FB27E14.8532.3B7C2@localhost>

On 12 Nov 2003 at 7:34, Conny Johansson wrote:

> Thanks a lot Dave 
> Now, if someone could provide a link to a >300 000 persons  textfile as
> well, then I'm all set. 
> /Conny 
> 

What fields do you want in it?

 
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Wed Nov 12 02:51:46 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:21:46 +1030
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 insists on SQL Server trusted connectio
	n
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A51C@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Are you sure the SQL Server itself isn't set to 'Windows Mode'?  If so it
needs to be set to 'Mixed Mode' to accept SQL authentication..

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Jewett [mailto:pjewett at bayplace.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2003 1:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 insists on SQL Server trusted connection


When I run my Access 2000 frontend on a Windows XP/Access 2002 box, the
SQL Server 2000 login fails, insisting on the 'trusted connection'
network login instead of the SQL Server authentication in the ODBC
connection string.  This was presumably fixed in MDAC 2.6 SP2 - but
maybe only for Access 2000.  It's still there for Access 2002!  See
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;279526 for MS's
info.  Any help on this?

Thanks,

Phil Jewett

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Nov 12 03:06:04 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:06:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DC7@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hi Charlotte.
 
The "Documents and Settings" is infact a very good thing when having roaming profiles in a network.
It is also a security thing so other users can not get in to your profile and read your mail (when using PST).
 
If you fully use profiles, your computer may crash, you can continue to work on another computer without loss of data (except the things as from the last logon) or workenvironment (it ain't that simple! but still...). 
It needs be be discouraged when U use a notebook both out and in the office, but it works greats for office computers. I use it at all my clients sites. It gives you pc redundancy. And I'm less stressed by it.
They can login to another computer and just have their mail etc up and running without dooing a thing.
 
Trust me, profiles are great stuff.... (and that what documents and settings is all about).
You just need to backup it also because it contains real data.
 
If you wanna save space in there, set the temporary internet files folder somewhere else or minimise the size.
IE sometimes set this to 800 MB (I supose it use x% from the drive as a base).
A setting of 50 or 100MB should be enough, but that is a subject for discussion.
When you have an active (one that keeps a cache!) proxy server, a IE setting of more than 50MB is of no use. Your proxy server does already the necesary caching.
But again, subject for discussion.
It's only my opinion.
 
BTW, should this thread not be on the DBA-TECH list?
 
Erwin
 
 
 

	-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- 
	Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com namens Charlotte Foust 
	Verzonden: di 11/11/2003 2:01 
	Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
	CC: 
	Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Would you believe
	
	

	I HATE that documents and settings folder!  I put all my Outlook pst
	files on my D: drive in a folder called Outlook.  Then I can find them
	again and they aren't part of my ever expanding (metaphorically speaking
	<G>) profile.  Um ... Where do you think "My Documents" is, John?
	Unless you created one elsewhere, it and your desktop are also under
	*documents and settings*.
	
	Charlotte Foust
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
	Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 4:26 PM
	To: AccessD
	Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
	
	
	65000 files in 7000 folders just in jcolby directory of documents and
	settings.  Among them the PST file for Outlook.  What other buried
	treasures are in there that should be in My Documents?
	
	John W. Colby
	www.colbyconsulting.com
	
	
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Nov 12 04:26:04 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 05:26:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DC7@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <3FB1C46C.21787.1609FA@localhost>

On 12 Nov 2003 at 10:06, Erwin Craps wrote:

> BTW, should this thread not be on the DBA-TECH list?

Yep. It should.

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Nov 12 05:11:10 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:11:10 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
In-Reply-To: <3FB1C46C.21787.1609FA@localhost>
Message-ID: <008401c3a90d$add3e540$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

And Bryan has already asked once.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: 12 November 2003 10:26
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Would you believe
> 
> 
> On 12 Nov 2003 at 10:06, Erwin Craps wrote:
> 
> > BTW, should this thread not be on the DBA-TECH list?
> 
> Yep. It should.
> 
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Nov 12 08:20:33 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:20:33 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Characters in Help
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C909@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I was searching UnHelp for InStr in A2K & this is what shows, does anyone
else show Help this way - or can read this <g>?

Virginia


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Differences in String Function Operations

A string stored in a byte Array appears as follows:

 
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe143.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe144.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe145.bmp>  Array
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe165.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe155.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe156.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe157.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe158.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe150.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe184.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe185.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe095.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe089.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe186.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe187.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe090.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe188.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe019.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe229.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe230.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe165.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe231.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe093.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe095.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe232.bmp> 

Dim Var() As Byte

Var = "
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe189.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe156.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe019.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe191.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe192.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe193.bmp> "             ' Unicode
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe163.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe164.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe087.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe184.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe185.bmp> 

Var = StrConv("
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe189.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe156.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe019.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe191.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe192.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe193.bmp> ", vbFromUnicode)    ' ANSI
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe163.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe164.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe087.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe184.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe185.bmp> 



Function AnsiStrConv(StrArg, flag)

    nsiStrConv = StrConv(StrArg, flag)

End Function



' LenB
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe087.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe175.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe176.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe095.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe089.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe199.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe165.bmp> ANSI
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe155.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe156.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe157.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe158.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe165.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe160.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe166.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe231.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe233.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe175.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe176.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe177.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe178.bmp> 

From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Wed Nov 12 08:31:27 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:31:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Characters in Help
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C909@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <019b01c3a929$ac1f94d0$6401a8c0@default>

Hey, that's funny!
Mine shows up like this:

'  ANSI
dat = StrConv(dat, vbFromUnicode)
.
.
.    '
.    '
.
.
'   Unicode
dat = StrConv(dat, vbUnicode)

Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:20 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Characters in Help


> I was searching UnHelp for InStr in A2K & this is what shows, does anyone
> else show Help this way - or can read this <g>?
>
> Virginia
>
>
>   _____
>
> Differences in String Function Operations
>
> A string stored in a byte Array appears as follows:
>
>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe143.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe144.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe145.bmp>  Array
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe165.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe155.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe156.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe157.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe158.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe150.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe184.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe185.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe095.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe089.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe186.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe187.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe090.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe188.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe019.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe229.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe230.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe165.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe231.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe093.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe095.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe232.bmp>
>
> Dim Var() As Byte
>
> Var = "
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe189.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe156.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe019.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe191.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe192.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe193.bmp> "             ' Unicode
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe163.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe164.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe087.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe184.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe185.bmp>
>
> Var = StrConv("
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe189.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe156.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe019.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe191.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe192.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe193.bmp> ", vbFromUnicode)    ' ANSI
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe163.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe164.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe087.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe184.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe185.bmp>
>
>
>
> Function AnsiStrConv(StrArg, flag)
>
>     nsiStrConv = StrConv(StrArg, flag)
>
> End Function
>
>
>
> ' LenB
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe087.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe175.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe176.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe095.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe089.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe199.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe165.bmp> ANSI
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe155.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe156.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe157.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe158.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe165.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe160.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe166.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe231.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe233.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe175.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe176.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe177.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe178.bmp>
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Wed Nov 12 08:35:19 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:35:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Characters in Help
References: 	<618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C909@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
	<019b01c3a929$ac1f94d0$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <01ae01c3a92a$33464670$6401a8c0@default>

Well, anyway it was all in Japanese or Chinese
or something.

Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael R Mattys" <michael.mattys at adelphia.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Characters in Help


> Hey, that's funny!
> Mine shows up like this:
>
> '  ANSI
> dat = StrConv(dat, vbFromUnicode)
> .
> .
> .    '
> .    '
> .
> .
> '   Unicode
> dat = StrConv(dat, vbUnicode)
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:20 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Characters in Help
>
>
> > I was searching UnHelp for InStr in A2K & this is what shows, does
anyone
> > else show Help this way - or can read this <g>?
> >
> > Virginia
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > Differences in String Function Operations
> >
> > A string stored in a byte Array appears as follows:
> >
> >
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe143.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe144.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe145.bmp>  Array
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe165.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe155.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe156.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe157.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe158.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe150.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe184.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe185.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe095.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe089.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe186.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe187.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe090.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe188.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe019.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe229.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe230.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe165.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe231.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe093.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe095.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm

> > ::/html/images/fe232.bmp>
> >
> > Dim Var() As Byte
> >
> > Var = "
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe189.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe156.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe019.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe191.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe192.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe193.bmp> "             ' Unicode
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe163.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe164.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe087.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe184.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe185.bmp>
> >
> > Var = StrConv("
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe189.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe156.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe019.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe191.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe192.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe193.bmp> ", vbFromUnicode)    ' ANSI
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe163.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe164.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe087.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe184.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe185.bmp>
> >
> >
> >
> > Function AnsiStrConv(StrArg, flag)
> >
> >     nsiStrConv = StrConv(StrArg, flag)
> >
> > End Function
> >
> >
> >
> > ' LenB
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe087.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe175.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe176.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe095.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe089.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe199.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe165.bmp> ANSI
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe155.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe156.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe157.bmp>
> >
>
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> > ::/html/images/fe158.bmp>
> >
>
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> > ::/html/images/fe165.bmp>
> >
>
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> > ::/html/images/fe160.bmp>
> >
>
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> > ::/html/images/fe166.bmp>
> >
>
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> > ::/html/images/fe231.bmp>
> >
>
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> > ::/html/images/fe233.bmp>
> >
>
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> > ::/html/images/fe175.bmp>
> >
>
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> > ::/html/images/fe176.bmp>
> >
>
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> > ::/html/images/fe177.bmp>
> >
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Nov 12 08:39:16 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:39:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Characters in Help
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C90B@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Well, when I copied & pasted this into the email, it did not show all those
lines, it showed characters that looked like Chinese writings.

Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:21 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Characters in Help


I was searching UnHelp for InStr in A2K & this is what shows, does anyone
else show Help this way - or can read this <g>?

Virginia


  _____  

Differences in String Function Operations

A string stored in a byte Array appears as follows:

 
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe143.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe144.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe145.bmp>  Array

From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Nov 12 08:46:27 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:46:27 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Characters in Help
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF7229@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hi
You probably have a corupted acmain9.chm (compressed help) file.
Replace the file from a backup or another computer.
Or in the worst case delete the file. Uninstall the help part of access
(if this is posible) and reinstall.
If the file is back should be ok.
Or a full Office repair is also an option after deleting the file.

Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Hollis,Virginia
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Characters in Help


Well, when I copied & pasted this into the email, it did not show all
those lines, it showed characters that looked like Chinese writings.

Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:21 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Characters in Help


I was searching UnHelp for InStr in A2K & this is what shows, does
anyone else show Help this way - or can read this <g>?

Virginia


  _____  

Differences in String Function Operations

A string stored in a byte Array appears as follows:

 
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9
.chm
::/html/images/fe143.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9
.chm
::/html/images/fe144.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9
.chm
::/html/images/fe145.bmp>  Array
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 12 08:53:17 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:53:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312434@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEILFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

What you're missing is that THIS IS A WIZARD FOR YOU!!!

I have no clue what YOU are doing so I have to desing it as if YOU don't
have a clue.

John W. Colby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Am I missing something, John?  If you're using a forms class, wouldn't
there be a test in the Form_Open event of the class to see whether the
user is allowed to view the form?  Or are you talking about users
managing to find their way into forms already opened hidden?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Gustav,

>I mean - forms don't just open

Of course forms "just open".  What do you think the switchboard does?
It "just opens" forms.  And plenty of developers use the switchboard.

>and users don't unhide hidden forms

Of course users unhide forms.  Users poke and pry, and go where they
aren't supposed to, and find all the chinks in your armor.  If it's not
supposed to be done, and you have locked that sucker down tight, a user
WILL get in there!

>he/she would need to either make the button not visible or not enabled
>or
pop up a message telling that the user has been revoked rights to view
the details; this I guess would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool.

No, in fact that is exactly the goal of my tool.  It allows you to
create up to 31 groups and unlimited users.  You then add users to
groups, ala Windows or SQL Server.  You then tell LWS "These groups can
SEE these forms". "These groups can see this control on this form".
etc.

The flip side of this is that any groups NOT allowed to SEE those forms,
by definition CAN'T SEE those forms.  And it is the job of LWS to
guarantee that those users CAN'T see forms they are not supposed to see.
Thus my email - how do I GUARANTEE that a form that the user is not
supposed to see remains invisible?

The point here is that every one who has responded so far has simply
taken the point of view that "the developer will guarantee" or "users
won't" or "of course the developer will get rid of menus" etc.

We all know that NONE of these statements are true.  Developers
consistently, every day, fail to guarantee...  Users, every day,
consistently break into places where they aren't supposed to be, often
quite by accident.  And Of course, developers consistently, year after
year fail to remove menus.  In fact clients consistently, year after
year DEMAND that menus remain.  It is not realistic to start from the
perfect world and assume none of these things happen.

I have a simple question.  How many of us know how to build a table.
The first thing all of you will say (waving hand in the air shouting
frantically) is "I do, I do".  But in fact I don't have a clue how to
build a table.  Or more correctly I can figure it out using DAO, and I
can figure it out using SQL but what do I do under normal circumstances?
Use a WIZARD. The wizard knows how to build a table, I know how to use a
wizard to build a table.  Same with queries.

I am attempting to design a system (a wizard) that a developer can use
to set up the type of security we are discussing here, which I call
"presentation security".  Light Weight Security allows the developer (or
even the client) to set up the groups and users.  Once these two tables
are initialized, there is a "wizard" that allows the developer to select
forms and then assign groups that can Open/See/Edit/Delete/AddRec etc.
Whatever the developer decides is stored in a pair of tables (forms and
controls).

Notice that all of these things (except open) are nothing more than
properties of the form.  LWS is attempting to manipulate form properties
based upon information stored in tables.

The wizard will allow the developer to select a form, see all of the
controls on the form, and select controls that you wish to lock down
such that only specific groups can See/Enter/Edit.

That is LWS.  The group / user login stuff is working.  The FORM
security is working (minus a few inconsistencies in being able to hide
the forms).  The control security is not finished yet.  My post to this
group was an attempt to figure out how to allow LWS to consistently and
reliably control the VISIBILITY of a form.  Access does not make it
easy, but I have had a couple of good suggestions that will help me
solve this problem.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Hi John

I think Ken has a point here and that you maybe are overcomplicating the
task. I mean - forms don't just open, and users don't unhide hidden
forms; how should they be able to do that when the developer has
designed menus and toolbars for his/her app?

Also, applying any form of security, light weight or not, the developer
will have to walk through the app from a to z and arrange for
modification of menus, buttons, labels ("Double click her to view
details") etc. If a button is labelled "Show details" on a form and it
should be disabled for certain users, he/she would need to either make
the button not visible or not enabled or pop up a message telling that
the user has been revoked rights to view the details; this I guess would
be beyond the goal of your LWS tool. Leaving the button as it is and the
user presses it and the details form just opens hidden is bad UI design
as the user has no chance for knowing what is going on other than "it
doesn't work".

/gustav


> Ken,

> I am writing a security utility aimed at other developers.  It is
> designed to allow YOU (and me as a developer) to manage the
> presentation security
of
> a database front end.  IOW, what forms can a user / group open?  View?
Add
> records to?  Delete records in?  Edit records in?  Etc.

> As you can see, I am not necessarily "in control of" the target FE at
design
> time since the FE is YOURS.  Why would you want to open a form not
visible?
> Perhaps the form is a filter form that you use to feed values to a
> query. Perhaps the form has a timer ticking that performs some
> process.
Perhaps...
> uh... I have no damned idea what else you might decide to do with a
> form that is open but that a selected group or groups of users are not

> allowed
to
> see.  I know that I personally use a hidden form to force a cleanup of

> my framework when the database closes.  Since a form cannot close
> without
it's
> OnClose firing, I use that to run a Terminate() function that closes
> everything gracefully.  So not matter how the db closes, my term()
function
> runs.

> I cannot allow the users to unhide that since it is a background
processing
> form and they have no business there.

> In the end though, the answer is I don't know why any given developer
> is going to want to open a form that users can't see, I simply know
> that it happens and I need to provide the developer with a means of
> enforcing this security.

---

> 1. It escapes me why you would even want to manage an open, invisible
form.
> If the user can't view it, then by far the simplist thing to do is not
open
> it. Is there some other issue driving this need that you haven't
elaborated
> on?

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 12 08:54:58 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:54:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <11233046458.20031111175341@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEINFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Gustav,

When I say table wizard, I am not taking about the thing that opens
pre-existing tables and allows you to modify them.  The widget you use to
design tables (click the table tab in A2K and select New) is a WIZARD!  The
thing you use to design queries (select the query tab and click NEW) is a
WIZARD.  It is a piece of VB code, stored in MDAs, registered with Access.
It is NOT part of Access per se.

That is also what I am designing, a WIZARD.

As for different worlds, apparently we do.  If you truly believe that no
developer out there runs into users who poke and pry then I would love to
live in your world.

John W. Colby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Hi John

Well, we must live in different worlds. Most of our users are in
runtime environments and even those with full versions of Access
don't fool around with the apps - and they indeed "don't just open
forms" - they use the UI.

If wild users is the developer's concern, a LWS tool is not an option
- his/hers only way to go is full Access security - if not applied,
these users will, of course, find your LWS tables.

Also, I've used the table wizard once - and that was it. The only
wizards I've found a use for are that for creating a simple report and
that for creating a group box. The Access switch board and the table
structure behind it is terrible; I've found it just as quick to design
a main form for that purpose and a single table or two holding the
user level security.

I'm not saying there isn't a need for a LWS system, just that it will
not fully block the scenarios you draw which means you could pay less
attention to those extremes. How many users know a form can be hidden?
Not to say how to locate a hidden form and unhide it? Why should they?
Most users have work to do.

/gustav


> Gustav,

>>I mean - forms don't just open

> Of course forms "just open".  What do you think the switchboard does?  It
> "just opens" forms.  And plenty of developers use the switchboard.

>>and users don't unhide hidden forms

> Of course users unhide forms.  Users poke and pry, and go where they
aren't
> supposed to, and find all the chinks in your armor.  If it's not supposed
to
> be done, and you have locked that sucker down tight, a user WILL get in
> there!

>>he/she would need to either make the button not visible or not enabled or
> pop up a message telling that the user has been revoked rights to view the
> details; this I guess would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool.

> No, in fact that is exactly the goal of my tool.  It allows you to create
up
> to 31 groups and unlimited users.  You then add users to groups, ala
Windows
> or SQL Server.  You then tell LWS "These groups can SEE these forms".
> "These groups can see this control on this form".  etc.

> The flip side of this is that any groups NOT allowed to SEE those forms,
by
> definition CAN'T SEE those forms.  And it is the job of LWS to guarantee
> that those users CAN'T see forms they are not supposed to see.  Thus my
> email - how do I GUARANTEE that a form that the user is not supposed to
see
> remains invisible?

> The point here is that every one who has responded so far has simply taken
> the point of view that "the developer will guarantee" or "users won't" or
> "of course the developer will get rid of menus" etc.

> We all know that NONE of these statements are true.  Developers
> consistently, every day, fail to guarantee...  Users, every day,
> consistently break into places where they aren't supposed to be, often
quite
> by accident.  And Of course, developers consistently, year after year fail
> to remove menus.  In fact clients consistently, year after year DEMAND
that
> menus remain.  It is not realistic to start from the perfect world and
> assume none of these things happen.

> I have a simple question.  How many of us know how to build a table.  The
> first thing all of you will say (waving hand in the air shouting
> frantically) is "I do, I do".  But in fact I don't have a clue how to
build
> a table.  Or more correctly I can figure it out using DAO, and I can
figure
> it out using SQL but what do I do under normal circumstances?  Use a
WIZARD.
> The wizard knows how to build a table, I know how to use a wizard to build
a
> table.  Same with queries.

> I am attempting to design a system (a wizard) that a developer can use to
> set up the type of security we are discussing here, which I call
> "presentation security".  Light Weight Security allows the developer (or
> even the client) to set up the groups and users.  Once these two tables
are
> initialized, there is a "wizard" that allows the developer to select forms
> and then assign groups that can Open/See/Edit/Delete/AddRec etc.  Whatever
> the developer decides is stored in a pair of tables (forms and controls).

> Notice that all of these things (except open) are nothing more than
> properties of the form.  LWS is attempting to manipulate form properties
> based upon information stored in tables.

> The wizard will allow the developer to select a form, see all of the
> controls on the form, and select controls that you wish to lock down such
> that only specific groups can See/Enter/Edit.

> That is LWS.  The group / user login stuff is working.  The FORM security
is
> working (minus a few inconsistencies in being able to hide the forms).
The
> control security is not finished yet.  My post to this group was an
attempt
> to figure out how to allow LWS to consistently and reliably control the
> VISIBILITY of a form.  Access does not make it easy, but I have had a
couple
> of good suggestions that will help me solve this problem.

> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


> Hi John

> I think Ken has a point here and that you maybe are overcomplicating
> the task.
> I mean - forms don't just open, and users don't unhide hidden forms;
> how should they be able to do that when the developer has designed
> menus and toolbars for his/her app?

> Also, applying any form of security, light weight or not, the
> developer will have to walk through the app from a to z and arrange
> for modification of menus, buttons, labels ("Double click her to view
> details") etc. If a button is labelled "Show details" on a form and it
> should be disabled for certain users, he/she would need to either make
> the button not visible or not enabled or pop up a message telling that
> the user has been revoked rights to view the details; this I guess
> would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool. Leaving the button as it is
> and the user presses it and the details form just opens hidden is bad
> UI design as the user has no chance for knowing what is going on other
> than "it doesn't work".

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 12 09:46:01 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:46:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEINFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEINFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <11029675040.20031112164601@cactus.dk>

Hi John

> When I say table wizard, I am not taking about the thing that opens
> pre-existing tables and allows you to modify them.  The widget you use to
> design tables (click the table tab in A2K and select New) is a WIZARD!  The
> thing you use to design queries (select the query tab and click NEW) is a
> WIZARD.  It is a piece of VB code, stored in MDAs, registered with Access.
> It is NOT part of Access per se.

> That is also what I am designing, a WIZARD.

Yeah, I know. I don't use them. I just can't see no problem in
creating a table in design view adding comments to the fields; I find
it to be waste of time to select some "example table" and use more
time to check and correct than to create from scratch. The same goes
for the query wizards - it's faster when you know what to do, to open
design view initially. 

> As for different worlds, apparently we do.  If you truly believe that no
> developer out there runs into users who poke and pry then I would love to
> live in your world.

You would be most welcome! But as I wrote, to make a near bulletproof
app you will need Access security. If less can do it - and that must
be the purpose of your LWS system - you can do many things:

A. Design LWS as a user control and guidance system for the behaved
user and user environment. If users are not behaved go to Access
security.

B. Take precautions to prevent accidental user errors. This is the
other side of security: to prevent users from doing things they don't
want to do by accident or error. Many things can be done for free:

1. Rename the app to anything else than mdb or adp. I use mdp. Most
users wouldn't have a clue what an mdp file is. If they doubleclick it
nothing happens.

2. Create your app to be able to run write protected and let your
install routine write protect the file (or you can let your app check
if it itself is write protected; if not, write protect and shut down).
Only a fraction of users have any idea of how to remove write
protection from a file.

3. Apply a database password to the app. This forces the user to run
the app from a shortcut with the password command line switch. Again,
if the user by accident doubleclick the file he/she will be prompted
for a password. No big deal but it will be apparent that "this is not
normal".

4. Run the app in the runtime environment. You can check from within
the app if this is so; if not, pop a message and shut down.

5. Set the startup options to the minimum level, and always hide the
database window as the first task in your start/autoexec code.

You know these things, but others may benefit from these simple
advices and reminders.

/gustav


> John W. Colby

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:54 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


> Hi John

> Well, we must live in different worlds. Most of our users are in
> runtime environments and even those with full versions of Access
> don't fool around with the apps - and they indeed "don't just open
> forms" - they use the UI.

> If wild users is the developer's concern, a LWS tool is not an option
> - his/hers only way to go is full Access security - if not applied,
> these users will, of course, find your LWS tables.

> Also, I've used the table wizard once - and that was it. The only
> wizards I've found a use for are that for creating a simple report and
> that for creating a group box. The Access switch board and the table
> structure behind it is terrible; I've found it just as quick to design
> a main form for that purpose and a single table or two holding the
> user level security.

> I'm not saying there isn't a need for a LWS system, just that it will
> not fully block the scenarios you draw which means you could pay less
> attention to those extremes. How many users know a form can be hidden?
> Not to say how to locate a hidden form and unhide it? Why should they?
> Most users have work to do.


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Nov 12 10:10:18 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:10:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227544@main2.marlow.com>

JC. I may have missed it, but did you try the repaint/doevents suggestion?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


What you're missing is that THIS IS A WIZARD FOR YOU!!!

I have no clue what YOU are doing so I have to desing it as if YOU don't
have a clue.

John W. Colby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Am I missing something, John?  If you're using a forms class, wouldn't
there be a test in the Form_Open event of the class to see whether the
user is allowed to view the form?  Or are you talking about users
managing to find their way into forms already opened hidden?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Gustav,

>I mean - forms don't just open

Of course forms "just open".  What do you think the switchboard does?
It "just opens" forms.  And plenty of developers use the switchboard.

>and users don't unhide hidden forms

Of course users unhide forms.  Users poke and pry, and go where they
aren't supposed to, and find all the chinks in your armor.  If it's not
supposed to be done, and you have locked that sucker down tight, a user
WILL get in there!

>he/she would need to either make the button not visible or not enabled
>or
pop up a message telling that the user has been revoked rights to view
the details; this I guess would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool.

No, in fact that is exactly the goal of my tool.  It allows you to
create up to 31 groups and unlimited users.  You then add users to
groups, ala Windows or SQL Server.  You then tell LWS "These groups can
SEE these forms". "These groups can see this control on this form".
etc.

The flip side of this is that any groups NOT allowed to SEE those forms,
by definition CAN'T SEE those forms.  And it is the job of LWS to
guarantee that those users CAN'T see forms they are not supposed to see.
Thus my email - how do I GUARANTEE that a form that the user is not
supposed to see remains invisible?

The point here is that every one who has responded so far has simply
taken the point of view that "the developer will guarantee" or "users
won't" or "of course the developer will get rid of menus" etc.

We all know that NONE of these statements are true.  Developers
consistently, every day, fail to guarantee...  Users, every day,
consistently break into places where they aren't supposed to be, often
quite by accident.  And Of course, developers consistently, year after
year fail to remove menus.  In fact clients consistently, year after
year DEMAND that menus remain.  It is not realistic to start from the
perfect world and assume none of these things happen.

I have a simple question.  How many of us know how to build a table.
The first thing all of you will say (waving hand in the air shouting
frantically) is "I do, I do".  But in fact I don't have a clue how to
build a table.  Or more correctly I can figure it out using DAO, and I
can figure it out using SQL but what do I do under normal circumstances?
Use a WIZARD. The wizard knows how to build a table, I know how to use a
wizard to build a table.  Same with queries.

I am attempting to design a system (a wizard) that a developer can use
to set up the type of security we are discussing here, which I call
"presentation security".  Light Weight Security allows the developer (or
even the client) to set up the groups and users.  Once these two tables
are initialized, there is a "wizard" that allows the developer to select
forms and then assign groups that can Open/See/Edit/Delete/AddRec etc.
Whatever the developer decides is stored in a pair of tables (forms and
controls).

Notice that all of these things (except open) are nothing more than
properties of the form.  LWS is attempting to manipulate form properties
based upon information stored in tables.

The wizard will allow the developer to select a form, see all of the
controls on the form, and select controls that you wish to lock down
such that only specific groups can See/Enter/Edit.

That is LWS.  The group / user login stuff is working.  The FORM
security is working (minus a few inconsistencies in being able to hide
the forms).  The control security is not finished yet.  My post to this
group was an attempt to figure out how to allow LWS to consistently and
reliably control the VISIBILITY of a form.  Access does not make it
easy, but I have had a couple of good suggestions that will help me
solve this problem.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Hi John

I think Ken has a point here and that you maybe are overcomplicating the
task. I mean - forms don't just open, and users don't unhide hidden
forms; how should they be able to do that when the developer has
designed menus and toolbars for his/her app?

Also, applying any form of security, light weight or not, the developer
will have to walk through the app from a to z and arrange for
modification of menus, buttons, labels ("Double click her to view
details") etc. If a button is labelled "Show details" on a form and it
should be disabled for certain users, he/she would need to either make
the button not visible or not enabled or pop up a message telling that
the user has been revoked rights to view the details; this I guess would
be beyond the goal of your LWS tool. Leaving the button as it is and the
user presses it and the details form just opens hidden is bad UI design
as the user has no chance for knowing what is going on other than "it
doesn't work".

/gustav


> Ken,

> I am writing a security utility aimed at other developers.  It is
> designed to allow YOU (and me as a developer) to manage the
> presentation security
of
> a database front end.  IOW, what forms can a user / group open?  View?
Add
> records to?  Delete records in?  Edit records in?  Etc.

> As you can see, I am not necessarily "in control of" the target FE at
design
> time since the FE is YOURS.  Why would you want to open a form not
visible?
> Perhaps the form is a filter form that you use to feed values to a
> query. Perhaps the form has a timer ticking that performs some
> process.
Perhaps...
> uh... I have no damned idea what else you might decide to do with a
> form that is open but that a selected group or groups of users are not

> allowed
to
> see.  I know that I personally use a hidden form to force a cleanup of

> my framework when the database closes.  Since a form cannot close
> without
it's
> OnClose firing, I use that to run a Terminate() function that closes
> everything gracefully.  So not matter how the db closes, my term()
function
> runs.

> I cannot allow the users to unhide that since it is a background
processing
> form and they have no business there.

> In the end though, the answer is I don't know why any given developer
> is going to want to open a form that users can't see, I simply know
> that it happens and I need to provide the developer with a means of
> enforcing this security.

---

> 1. It escapes me why you would even want to manage an open, invisible
form.
> If the user can't view it, then by far the simplist thing to do is not
open
> it. Is there some other issue driving this need that you haven't
elaborated
> on?

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 12 10:19:26 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:19:26 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312435@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I know what it's for, but I still object.  NT handled roaming profiles
without Documents and Settings.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Would you believe


Hi Charlotte.
 
The "Documents and Settings" is infact a very good thing when having
roaming profiles in a network. It is also a security thing so other
users can not get in to your profile and read your mail (when using
PST).
 
If you fully use profiles, your computer may crash, you can continue to
work on another computer without loss of data (except the things as from
the last logon) or workenvironment (it ain't that simple! but still...).

It needs be be discouraged when U use a notebook both out and in the
office, but it works greats for office computers. I use it at all my
clients sites. It gives you pc redundancy. And I'm less stressed by it.
They can login to another computer and just have their mail etc up and
running without dooing a thing.
 
Trust me, profiles are great stuff.... (and that what documents and
settings is all about). You just need to backup it also because it
contains real data.
 
If you wanna save space in there, set the temporary internet files
folder somewhere else or minimise the size. IE sometimes set this to 800
MB (I supose it use x% from the drive as a base). A setting of 50 or
100MB should be enough, but that is a subject for discussion. When you
have an active (one that keeps a cache!) proxy server, a IE setting of
more than 50MB is of no use. Your proxy server does already the necesary
caching. But again, subject for discussion. It's only my opinion.
 
BTW, should this thread not be on the DBA-TECH list?
 
Erwin
 
 
 

	-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- 
	Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com namens Charlotte Foust

	Verzonden: di 11/11/2003 2:01 
	Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
	CC: 
	Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Would you believe
	
	

	I HATE that documents and settings folder!  I put all my Outlook
pst
	files on my D: drive in a folder called Outlook.  Then I can
find them
	again and they aren't part of my ever expanding (metaphorically
speaking
	<G>) profile.  Um ... Where do you think "My Documents" is,
John?
	Unless you created one elsewhere, it and your desktop are also
under
	*documents and settings*.
	
	Charlotte Foust
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
	Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 4:26 PM
	To: AccessD
	Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
	
	
	65000 files in 7000 folders just in jcolby directory of
documents and
	settings.  Among them the PST file for Outlook.  What other
buried
	treasures are in there that should be in My Documents?
	
	John W. Colby
	www.colbyconsulting.com
	
	
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From Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us  Wed Nov 12 10:37:49 2003
From: Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us (Gowey Mike W)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:37:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Distinguishing Key Press
Message-ID: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801D9FDDD@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>



Hello Everyone,


Does anyone have something that they can share that can be used to
distinguish what key is pressed after updating a field on a form.

I want to be able to know if the Tab key is pressed or if the Enter key
was pressed.  I have to be able to run a different process if the Tab
key is pressed than I would if the Enter key is pressed.

Thanks in advance for any info shared.

Thanks,

Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
Team Leader - SRCI
Information Systems & Services Division


From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Nov 12 10:38:56 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:38:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD78FA@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

John,

I followed your arguments for doing this, and I fully agree with your
comments along the lines of, "if the user *can* do it s/he *will* do it".

FWIW, here's one way you might want to do what you asked for. If you set the
timer interval to 1 millisecond then the form opens without the user seeing
anything but the merest flicker on screen. That's in A97, but it should work
in 2K as well

Here's the form's code module

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Const mod_bAllowVisible = False ' simulate user's inability to 'see' this
form.

Private Sub Form_Activate()
   ' re-hide the form if a user unhides it manually
    Me.Visible = mod_bAllowVisible
    DoEvents
End Sub

Private Sub Form_Timer()
   ' Hide the form after it's loaded
    Me.Visible = mod_bAllowVisible
    DoEvents
   ' no need to fire this event any more so...
    Me.TimerInterval = 0
End Sub


Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John W. Colby [SMTP:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:53 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
> 
> What you're missing is that THIS IS A WIZARD FOR YOU!!!
> 
> I have no clue what YOU are doing so I have to desing it as if YOU don't
> have a clue.
> 
> John W. Colby
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:16 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
> 
> 
> Am I missing something, John?  If you're using a forms class, wouldn't
> there be a test in the Form_Open event of the class to see whether the
> user is allowed to view the form?  Or are you talking about users
> managing to find their way into forms already opened hidden?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
> 
> 
> Gustav,
> 
> >I mean - forms don't just open
> 
> Of course forms "just open".  What do you think the switchboard does?
> It "just opens" forms.  And plenty of developers use the switchboard.
> 
> >and users don't unhide hidden forms
> 
> Of course users unhide forms.  Users poke and pry, and go where they
> aren't supposed to, and find all the chinks in your armor.  If it's not
> supposed to be done, and you have locked that sucker down tight, a user
> WILL get in there!
> 
> >he/she would need to either make the button not visible or not enabled
> >or
> pop up a message telling that the user has been revoked rights to view
> the details; this I guess would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool.
> 
> No, in fact that is exactly the goal of my tool.  It allows you to
> create up to 31 groups and unlimited users.  You then add users to
> groups, ala Windows or SQL Server.  You then tell LWS "These groups can
> SEE these forms". "These groups can see this control on this form".
> etc.
> 
> The flip side of this is that any groups NOT allowed to SEE those forms,
> by definition CAN'T SEE those forms.  And it is the job of LWS to
> guarantee that those users CAN'T see forms they are not supposed to see.
> Thus my email - how do I GUARANTEE that a form that the user is not
> supposed to see remains invisible?
> 
> The point here is that every one who has responded so far has simply
> taken the point of view that "the developer will guarantee" or "users
> won't" or "of course the developer will get rid of menus" etc.
> 
> We all know that NONE of these statements are true.  Developers
> consistently, every day, fail to guarantee...  Users, every day,
> consistently break into places where they aren't supposed to be, often
> quite by accident.  And Of course, developers consistently, year after
> year fail to remove menus.  In fact clients consistently, year after
> year DEMAND that menus remain.  It is not realistic to start from the
> perfect world and assume none of these things happen.
> 
> I have a simple question.  How many of us know how to build a table.
> The first thing all of you will say (waving hand in the air shouting
> frantically) is "I do, I do".  But in fact I don't have a clue how to
> build a table.  Or more correctly I can figure it out using DAO, and I
> can figure it out using SQL but what do I do under normal circumstances?
> Use a WIZARD. The wizard knows how to build a table, I know how to use a
> wizard to build a table.  Same with queries.
> 
> I am attempting to design a system (a wizard) that a developer can use
> to set up the type of security we are discussing here, which I call
> "presentation security".  Light Weight Security allows the developer (or
> even the client) to set up the groups and users.  Once these two tables
> are initialized, there is a "wizard" that allows the developer to select
> forms and then assign groups that can Open/See/Edit/Delete/AddRec etc.
> Whatever the developer decides is stored in a pair of tables (forms and
> controls).
> 
> Notice that all of these things (except open) are nothing more than
> properties of the form.  LWS is attempting to manipulate form properties
> based upon information stored in tables.
> 
> The wizard will allow the developer to select a form, see all of the
> controls on the form, and select controls that you wish to lock down
> such that only specific groups can See/Enter/Edit.
> 
> That is LWS.  The group / user login stuff is working.  The FORM
> security is working (minus a few inconsistencies in being able to hide
> the forms).  The control security is not finished yet.  My post to this
> group was an attempt to figure out how to allow LWS to consistently and
> reliably control the VISIBILITY of a form.  Access does not make it
> easy, but I have had a couple of good suggestions that will help me
> solve this problem.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
> 
> 
> Hi John
> 
> I think Ken has a point here and that you maybe are overcomplicating the
> task. I mean - forms don't just open, and users don't unhide hidden
> forms; how should they be able to do that when the developer has
> designed menus and toolbars for his/her app?
> 
> Also, applying any form of security, light weight or not, the developer
> will have to walk through the app from a to z and arrange for
> modification of menus, buttons, labels ("Double click her to view
> details") etc. If a button is labelled "Show details" on a form and it
> should be disabled for certain users, he/she would need to either make
> the button not visible or not enabled or pop up a message telling that
> the user has been revoked rights to view the details; this I guess would
> be beyond the goal of your LWS tool. Leaving the button as it is and the
> user presses it and the details form just opens hidden is bad UI design
> as the user has no chance for knowing what is going on other than "it
> doesn't work".
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > Ken,
> 
> > I am writing a security utility aimed at other developers.  It is
> > designed to allow YOU (and me as a developer) to manage the
> > presentation security
> of
> > a database front end.  IOW, what forms can a user / group open?  View?
> Add
> > records to?  Delete records in?  Edit records in?  Etc.
> 
> > As you can see, I am not necessarily "in control of" the target FE at
> design
> > time since the FE is YOURS.  Why would you want to open a form not
> visible?
> > Perhaps the form is a filter form that you use to feed values to a
> > query. Perhaps the form has a timer ticking that performs some
> > process.
> Perhaps...
> > uh... I have no damned idea what else you might decide to do with a
> > form that is open but that a selected group or groups of users are not
> 
> > allowed
> to
> > see.  I know that I personally use a hidden form to force a cleanup of
> 
> > my framework when the database closes.  Since a form cannot close
> > without
> it's
> > OnClose firing, I use that to run a Terminate() function that closes
> > everything gracefully.  So not matter how the db closes, my term()
> function
> > runs.
> 
> > I cannot allow the users to unhide that since it is a background
> processing
> > form and they have no business there.
> 
> > In the end though, the answer is I don't know why any given developer
> > is going to want to open a form that users can't see, I simply know
> > that it happens and I need to provide the developer with a means of
> > enforcing this security.
> 
> ---
> 
> > 1. It escapes me why you would even want to manage an open, invisible
> form.
> > If the user can't view it, then by far the simplist thing to do is not
> open
> > it. Is there some other issue driving this need that you haven't
> elaborated
> > on?
> 
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From pnl1 at psu.edu  Wed Nov 12 10:39:12 2003
From: pnl1 at psu.edu (Paul Liadis)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:39:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Syntax in Access 2000
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031112113630.0346feb0@mail.psu.edu>

Hi,
Is there a place where I can find the SQL syntax that Access uses in the 
SQL view of a query?  I have an SQL statement that does an update in SQL 
Server 2000 that will not run in Access (copy and paste to the SQL View) 
due to a "syntax error".  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,

===============================================
Paul Liadis
Senior Applications Programmer/Analyst
University Budget Office
Pennsylvania State University


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Nov 12 10:46:24 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:46:24 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF7233@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hugh?
Not at my knowledge
It was located elsewhere and named otherwise...

It was in \WinNT\Profiles

Erwin

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Would you believe


I know what it's for, but I still object.  NT handled roaming profiles
without Documents and Settings.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Would you believe


Hi Charlotte.
 
The "Documents and Settings" is infact a very good thing when having
roaming profiles in a network. It is also a security thing so other
users can not get in to your profile and read your mail (when using
PST).
 
If you fully use profiles, your computer may crash, you can continue to
work on another computer without loss of data (except the things as from
the last logon) or workenvironment (it ain't that simple! but still...).

It needs be be discouraged when U use a notebook both out and in the
office, but it works greats for office computers. I use it at all my
clients sites. It gives you pc redundancy. And I'm less stressed by it.
They can login to another computer and just have their mail etc up and
running without dooing a thing.
 
Trust me, profiles are great stuff.... (and that what documents and
settings is all about). You just need to backup it also because it
contains real data.
 
If you wanna save space in there, set the temporary internet files
folder somewhere else or minimise the size. IE sometimes set this to 800
MB (I supose it use x% from the drive as a base). A setting of 50 or
100MB should be enough, but that is a subject for discussion. When you
have an active (one that keeps a cache!) proxy server, a IE setting of
more than 50MB is of no use. Your proxy server does already the necesary
caching. But again, subject for discussion. It's only my opinion.
 
BTW, should this thread not be on the DBA-TECH list?
 
Erwin
 
 
 

	-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- 
	Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com namens Charlotte Foust

	Verzonden: di 11/11/2003 2:01 
	Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
	CC: 
	Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Would you believe
	
	

	I HATE that documents and settings folder!  I put all my Outlook
pst
	files on my D: drive in a folder called Outlook.  Then I can
find them
	again and they aren't part of my ever expanding (metaphorically
speaking
	<G>) profile.  Um ... Where do you think "My Documents" is,
John?
	Unless you created one elsewhere, it and your desktop are also
under
	*documents and settings*.
	
	Charlotte Foust
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
	Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 4:26 PM
	To: AccessD
	Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
	
	
	65000 files in 7000 folders just in jcolby directory of
documents and
	settings.  Among them the PST file for Outlook.  What other
buried
	treasures are in there that should be in My Documents?
	
	John W. Colby
	www.colbyconsulting.com
	
	
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Nov 12 10:49:53 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:49:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227547@main2.marlow.com>

Not really.  It just didn't have the same folder name.  If I remember
correctly, it was under WINNT, in a folder called Profiles.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Would you believe


I know what it's for, but I still object.  NT handled roaming profiles
without Documents and Settings.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Would you believe


Hi Charlotte.
 
The "Documents and Settings" is infact a very good thing when having
roaming profiles in a network. It is also a security thing so other
users can not get in to your profile and read your mail (when using
PST).
 
If you fully use profiles, your computer may crash, you can continue to
work on another computer without loss of data (except the things as from
the last logon) or workenvironment (it ain't that simple! but still...).

It needs be be discouraged when U use a notebook both out and in the
office, but it works greats for office computers. I use it at all my
clients sites. It gives you pc redundancy. And I'm less stressed by it.
They can login to another computer and just have their mail etc up and
running without dooing a thing.
 
Trust me, profiles are great stuff.... (and that what documents and
settings is all about). You just need to backup it also because it
contains real data.
 
If you wanna save space in there, set the temporary internet files
folder somewhere else or minimise the size. IE sometimes set this to 800
MB (I supose it use x% from the drive as a base). A setting of 50 or
100MB should be enough, but that is a subject for discussion. When you
have an active (one that keeps a cache!) proxy server, a IE setting of
more than 50MB is of no use. Your proxy server does already the necesary
caching. But again, subject for discussion. It's only my opinion.
 
BTW, should this thread not be on the DBA-TECH list?
 
Erwin
 
 
 

	-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- 
	Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com namens Charlotte Foust

	Verzonden: di 11/11/2003 2:01 
	Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
	CC: 
	Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Would you believe
	
	

	I HATE that documents and settings folder!  I put all my Outlook
pst
	files on my D: drive in a folder called Outlook.  Then I can
find them
	again and they aren't part of my ever expanding (metaphorically
speaking
	<G>) profile.  Um ... Where do you think "My Documents" is,
John?
	Unless you created one elsewhere, it and your desktop are also
under
	*documents and settings*.
	
	Charlotte Foust
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
	Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 4:26 PM
	To: AccessD
	Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
	
	
	65000 files in 7000 folders just in jcolby directory of
documents and
	settings.  Among them the PST file for Outlook.  What other
buried
	treasures are in there that should be in My Documents?
	
	John W. Colby
	www.colbyconsulting.com
	
	
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Nov 12 10:54:14 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:54:14 -0500
Subject: READ NOW!!! RE: [AccessD] Would you believe
Message-ID: <20031112165414.FSHE6808.tomts27-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.22]>

OK.

This thread is dead. NOW!!

If you want to continue this discussion, take it over to dba-tech.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Unfortunately common sense isn't so common!


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 12 10:59:50 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:59:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Syntax in Access 2000
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312436@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Jet SQL uses different wildcards and date delimiters than T-SQL.  My
favorite quick reference is Access Database Programming and Design from
O'Reilly.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Liadis [mailto:pnl1 at psu.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Syntax in Access 2000


Hi,
Is there a place where I can find the SQL syntax that Access uses in the

SQL view of a query?  I have an SQL statement that does an update in SQL

Server 2000 that will not run in Access (copy and paste to the SQL View)

due to a "syntax error".  Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks,

===============================================
Paul Liadis
Senior Applications Programmer/Analyst
University Budget Office
Pennsylvania State University

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 12 11:28:49 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:28:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Distinguishing Key Press
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312437@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

If you'll pardon my saying so, it sounds like you're trying to code
around automatic behavior.  What exactly is it that you want to do
differently based on a tab or enter?   What do you have set as the
default behavior for Tools-->Options-->Advanced-->Move After Enter?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gowey Mike W [mailto:Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Distinguishing Key Press




Hello Everyone,


Does anyone have something that they can share that can be used to
distinguish what key is pressed after updating a field on a form.

I want to be able to know if the Tab key is pressed or if the Enter key
was pressed.  I have to be able to run a different process if the Tab
key is pressed than I would if the Enter key is pressed.

Thanks in advance for any info shared.

Thanks,

Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
Team Leader - SRCI
Information Systems & Services Division

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From pjewett at bayplace.com  Wed Nov 12 11:36:18 2003
From: pjewett at bayplace.com (Phil Jewett)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:36:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] SQL trusted connection problem
Message-ID: <D3C4180250579C42A9C6A5A199772138068B5B@comet.home.bayplace.com>

When I run my Access 2000 frontend on a Windows XP/Access 2002 box, the
SQL Server 2000 login fails, insisting on the 'trusted connection'
network login instead of the SQL Server authentication in the ODBC
connection string.  This was presumably fixed in MDAC 2.6 SP2 - but
maybe only for Access 2000.  It's still there for Access 2002!  This
problem is discussed in
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;279526 .  Any
help on this?

Thanks,

Phil Jewett




From Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us  Wed Nov 12 11:52:50 2003
From: Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us (Gowey Mike W)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:52:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Distinguishing Key Press
Message-ID: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801079B@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>

What I need it to do is if the Tab key is pressed to move to the next
field, if the Enter key is pressed to save the record and than print a
label of the information.

This is a mail tracking database, in the form they are able to enter the
information on the piece of mail that is coming in, lots of times the
same publication comes in, so they fill out all the imformation on the
publication once and all they want to be able to do is change the number
of the reciepient and be able to press enter and the label for the
distribution of the publication/Piece of mail is printed.  If they need
to change any information than pressing the Tab key will allow this.

I hope that makes better sense or maybe I am just muttering

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Distinguishing Key Press


If you'll pardon my saying so, it sounds like you're trying to code
around automatic behavior.  What exactly is it that you want to do
differently based on a tab or enter?   What do you have set as the
default behavior for Tools-->Options-->Advanced-->Move After Enter?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gowey Mike W [mailto:Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Distinguishing Key Press




Hello Everyone,


Does anyone have something that they can share that can be used to
distinguish what key is pressed after updating a field on a form.

I want to be able to know if the Tab key is pressed or if the Enter key
was pressed.  I have to be able to run a different process if the Tab
key is pressed than I would if the Enter key is pressed.

Thanks in advance for any info shared.

Thanks,

Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
Team Leader - SRCI
Information Systems & Services Division

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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Wed Nov 12 11:55:00 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:55:00 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F290884F6@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

On 22 Feb 2003, Dave Sharpe posted this URL:
 <http://www.coj.net/Departments/Tax+Collector/Current+Real+Estate+Download.htm> http://www.coj.net/Departments/Tax+Collector/Current+Real+Estate+Download.htm 

Stephen Bond

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Conny Johansson [mailto:conny at qad.se]
Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2003 7:35 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sample textfile



Thanks a lot Dave 
Now, if someone could provide a link to a >300 000 persons  textfile as 
well, then I'm all set. 
/Conny 

-----Original Message----- 
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[ mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sharpe 
Sent: den 12 november 2003 01:10 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sample textfile 

Conny 

There is a zipcode mdb available for free download from 
http://www.globalpresence.com.au/exchange/support/ 

Dave 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Conny Johansson" <conny at qad.se> 
To: "'Access Developers list'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 5:22 PM 
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile 


Hi 
I usually archive all the posts from this great list. 
Due to a computer crash I cant find them at the moment so.... 

A while back there where questions about sample data and someone posted a 
link to a textfile with 300 000 post. 
Anyone still got that adress? 

I also recall that sometime ago someone mentioned that he/she had all US and 

Canadian zip-codes 
I would be glad for those as well. 
Please mail me offlist if you can help with this. 

H?lsningar / Regards 
Conny Johansson 



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 12 12:07:04 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:07:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Distinguishing Key Press
In-Reply-To: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801079B@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
References: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801079B@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <17838137618.20031112190704@cactus.dk>

Hi Gowey

Then create a button for printing the label and, in the properties
sheet of the button, set it to be the "Default key" of the form.

You may wish to run some validation code before printing to prevent
incomplete labels and/or a pop up a messagebox "Print this label?"
(OK/Cancel) if the user by accident should press Enter.

/gustav


> What I need it to do is if the Tab key is pressed to move to the next
> field, if the Enter key is pressed to save the record and than print a
> label of the information.

> This is a mail tracking database, in the form they are able to enter the
> information on the piece of mail that is coming in, lots of times the
> same publication comes in, so they fill out all the imformation on the
> publication once and all they want to be able to do is change the number
> of the reciepient and be able to press enter and the label for the
> distribution of the publication/Piece of mail is printed.  If they need
> to change any information than pressing the Tab key will allow this.


From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Nov 12 14:05:51 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:05:51 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Re: SQL Syntax in Access 2000
In-Reply-To: <200311121800.hACI0g627758@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031112140514.0291dd10@pop3.highstream.net>

Send your statement that is not working and we can tell you why it is not.

At 12:00 PM 11/12/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:39:12 -0500
>From: Paul Liadis <pnl1 at psu.edu>
>Subject: [AccessD] SQL Syntax in Access 2000
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031112113630.0346feb0 at mail.psu.edu>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
>Hi,
>Is there a place where I can find the SQL syntax that Access uses in the
>SQL view of a query?  I have an SQL statement that does an update in SQL
>Server 2000 that will not run in Access (copy and paste to the SQL View)
>due to a "syntax error".  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>Thanks,



From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Nov 12 14:09:20 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:09:20 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Re: SQL trusted connection problem
In-Reply-To: <200311121800.hACI0g627758@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031112140757.028dd638@pop3.highstream.net>


How is your ODBC DNS set up?

Are you storing the password in it?

Is the SQL Server set up to do mixed mode?


At 12:00 PM 11/12/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:36:18 -0800
>From: "Phil Jewett" <pjewett at bayplace.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] SQL trusted connection problem
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <D3C4180250579C42A9C6A5A199772138068B5B at comet.home.bayplace.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>When I run my Access 2000 frontend on a Windows XP/Access 2002 box, the
>SQL Server 2000 login fails, insisting on the 'trusted connection'
>network login instead of the SQL Server authentication in the ODBC
>connection string.  This was presumably fixed in MDAC 2.6 SP2 - but
>maybe only for Access 2000.  It's still there for Access 2002!  This
>problem is discussed in
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;279526 .  Any
>help on this?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Phil Jewett



From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Nov 12 15:01:25 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:01:25 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT Ignore
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031112140514.0291dd10@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <005201c3a960$22ff5820$260c6351@martin1>

Test


Martin

From pnl1 at psu.edu  Wed Nov 12 15:05:45 2003
From: pnl1 at psu.edu (Paul Liadis)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:05:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: SQL Syntax in Access 2000
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031112140514.0291dd10@pop3.highstream.net>
References: <200311121800.hACI0g627758@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031112160452.03271d00@mail.psu.edu>

Here is the statement that will run in SQL Server  2000 but not  Access 2000:

UPDATE [Tmp Master Budget Table]
SET [Tmp Master Budget Table].FundTypeIbis = 
[dbo_ib_header_hist].[CODE_ICOA_FUND_TYPE]
from dbo_ib_header_hist
where [Tmp Master Budget Table].NumbAcct = dbo_ib_header_hist.NUMB_ACCT

Thanks,
Paul Liadis

At 02:05 PM 11/12/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Send your statement that is not working and we can tell you why it is not.
>
>At 12:00 PM 11/12/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:39:12 -0500
>>From: Paul Liadis <pnl1 at psu.edu>
>>Subject: [AccessD] SQL Syntax in Access 2000
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031112113630.0346feb0 at mail.psu.edu>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>
>>Hi,
>>Is there a place where I can find the SQL syntax that Access uses in the
>>SQL view of a query?  I have an SQL statement that does an update in SQL
>>Server 2000 that will not run in Access (copy and paste to the SQL View)
>>due to a "syntax error".  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>Thanks,
>
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Nov 12 15:13:29 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:13:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
Message-ID: <00d901c3a961$d256eda0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

I have an application which I developed many years ago on a machine with a screen of resolution 640 x 480.  I used the ADH resizing code so the form would fill the screen regardless of the target machine resolution.

I don't use that resizing code in my apps anymore and I would like to abandon that now in this app and go with a straight 800 x 600 which is what my screen is set to.

But the 640 x 480 resolution seems to be a part of the form somehow and each of the controls as well because if I copy over the controls, they don't size correctly on my 800 x 600 screen.  They appear smaller as they would when you put a 640x480 form or control on an 800 x 600 screen.

Plus any new forms I've added to this app recently original in 800 x 600 and that's fine.  

Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Wed Nov 12 15:27:52 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:27:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Re: SQL Syntax in Access 2000
Message-ID: <OF95C3CA71.DC6C1355-ON86256DDC.0075D94F-86256DDC.0075E7E3@nc.us.bank-dns.com>


UPDATE [Tmp Master Budget Table]
SET [Tmp Master Budget Table].FundTypeIbis =
[ib_header_hist].[CODE_ICOA_FUND_TYPE]
from ib_header_hist
where [Tmp Master Budget Table].NumbAcct = ib_header_hist.NUMB_ACCT


                                                                                                                                 
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Here is the statement that will run in SQL Server  2000 but not  Access
2000:

UPDATE [Tmp Master Budget Table]
SET [Tmp Master Budget Table].FundTypeIbis =
[dbo_ib_header_hist].[CODE_ICOA_FUND_TYPE]
from dbo_ib_header_hist
where [Tmp Master Budget Table].NumbAcct = dbo_ib_header_hist.NUMB_ACCT

Thanks,
Paul Liadis

At 02:05 PM 11/12/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Send your statement that is not working and we can tell you why it is not.
>
>At 12:00 PM 11/12/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:39:12 -0500
>>From: Paul Liadis <pnl1 at psu.edu>
>>Subject: [AccessD] SQL Syntax in Access 2000
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031112113630.0346feb0 at mail.psu.edu>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>
>>Hi,
>>Is there a place where I can find the SQL syntax that Access uses in the
>>SQL view of a query?  I have an SQL statement that does an update in SQL
>>Server 2000 that will not run in Access (copy and paste to the SQL View)
>>due to a "syntax error".  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>Thanks,
>
>
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From conny at qad.se  Wed Nov 12 15:39:47 2003
From: conny at qad.se (Conny Johansson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:39:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile
In-Reply-To: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F290884F6@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>
Message-ID: <20031112214101.083662B118@boxmail1.box.se>

Thank you Stephen 
That's the file I was looking for. 
/Conny 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: den 12 november 2003 18:55 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sample textfile 

On 22 Feb 2003, Dave Sharpe posted this URL: 
 
<http://www.coj.net/Departments/Tax+Collector/Current+Real+Estate+Download.h
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-----Original Message----- 
From: Conny Johansson [mailto:conny at qad.se] 
Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2003 7:35 p.m. 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sample textfile 



Thanks a lot Dave 
Now, if someone could provide a link to a >300 000 persons  textfile as 
well, then I'm all set. 
/Conny 

-----Original Message----- 
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[ mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sharpe 
Sent: den 12 november 2003 01:10 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sample textfile 

Conny 

There is a zipcode mdb available for free download from 
http://www.globalpresence.com.au/exchange/support/ 

Dave 

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Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 5:22 PM 
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile 


Hi 
I usually archive all the posts from this great list. 
Due to a computer crash I cant find them at the moment so.... 

A while back there where questions about sample data and someone posted a 
link to a textfile with 300 000 post. 
Anyone still got that adress? 

I also recall that sometime ago someone mentioned that he/she had all US and


Canadian zip-codes 
I would be glad for those as well. 
Please mail me offlist if you can help with this. 

H?lsningar / Regards 
Conny Johansson 



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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Wed Nov 12 15:53:13 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:23:13 +1030
Subject: [AccessD] SQL trusted connection problem
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A520@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Please don't double post - we've responded a few times to your initial
question and you didn't answer our questions!

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Jewett [mailto:pjewett at bayplace.com]
Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 4:06 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] SQL trusted connection problem


When I run my Access 2000 frontend on a Windows XP/Access 2002 box, the
SQL Server 2000 login fails, insisting on the 'trusted connection'
network login instead of the SQL Server authentication in the ODBC
connection string.  This was presumably fixed in MDAC 2.6 SP2 - but
maybe only for Access 2000.  It's still there for Access 2002!  This
problem is discussed in
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;279526 .  Any
help on this?

Thanks,

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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Wed Nov 12 18:10:40 2003
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:10:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
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John,

I agree with Lambert that users are nosy and invasive. However, if you lock
down the interface, and use an mde in runtime mode, you will keep out all
but the most persistent users.

I also have to agree with Gustav that most developers will choose to manage
the user's access by hiding or disabling controls. This means that the LWS
form permission functionality will be rarely needed in production apps.

Is this a drawback of the LWS idea? No... I see several opportunities here:

 * LWS form permissions can act as a failsafe if there are leaks in the UI
logic. Because this is an exceptional condition, you wouldn't have to do
anything fancy: just display a message and close the form.

 * Developers need a way to query LWS about permissions, something like:
	cmdShowSalary.Visible = LWS.HasPermission(CurrentUser, "Open", "frmSalary")

 * If LWS could automatically enable/show a control based on a user's
permissions to open a particular form (with no coding on the developer's
part), that would be _way_ cool.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'jcolby at colbyconsulting.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John,

I followed your arguments for doing this, and I fully agree with your
comments along the lines of, "if the user *can* do it s/he *will* do it".

FWIW, here's one way you might want to do what you asked for. If you set the
timer interval to 1 millisecond then the form opens without the user seeing
anything but the merest flicker on screen. That's in A97, but it should work
in 2K as well

Here's the form's code module

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Const mod_bAllowVisible = False ' simulate user's inability to 'see' this
form.

Private Sub Form_Activate()
   ' re-hide the form if a user unhides it manually
    Me.Visible = mod_bAllowVisible
    DoEvents
End Sub

Private Sub Form_Timer()
   ' Hide the form after it's loaded
    Me.Visible = mod_bAllowVisible
    DoEvents
   ' no need to fire this event any more so...
    Me.TimerInterval = 0
End Sub


Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John W. Colby [SMTP:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:53 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
>
> What you're missing is that THIS IS A WIZARD FOR YOU!!!
>
> I have no clue what YOU are doing so I have to desing it as if YOU don't
> have a clue.
>
> John W. Colby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:16 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
>
>
> Am I missing something, John?  If you're using a forms class, wouldn't
> there be a test in the Form_Open event of the class to see whether the
> user is allowed to view the form?  Or are you talking about users
> managing to find their way into forms already opened hidden?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
>
>
> Gustav,
>
> >I mean - forms don't just open
>
> Of course forms "just open".  What do you think the switchboard does?
> It "just opens" forms.  And plenty of developers use the switchboard.
>
> >and users don't unhide hidden forms
>
> Of course users unhide forms.  Users poke and pry, and go where they
> aren't supposed to, and find all the chinks in your armor.  If it's not
> supposed to be done, and you have locked that sucker down tight, a user
> WILL get in there!
>
> >he/she would need to either make the button not visible or not enabled
> >or
> pop up a message telling that the user has been revoked rights to view
> the details; this I guess would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool.
>
> No, in fact that is exactly the goal of my tool.  It allows you to
> create up to 31 groups and unlimited users.  You then add users to
> groups, ala Windows or SQL Server.  You then tell LWS "These groups can
> SEE these forms". "These groups can see this control on this form".
> etc.
>
> The flip side of this is that any groups NOT allowed to SEE those forms,
> by definition CAN'T SEE those forms.  And it is the job of LWS to
> guarantee that those users CAN'T see forms they are not supposed to see.
> Thus my email - how do I GUARANTEE that a form that the user is not
> supposed to see remains invisible?
>
> The point here is that every one who has responded so far has simply
> taken the point of view that "the developer will guarantee" or "users
> won't" or "of course the developer will get rid of menus" etc.
>
> We all know that NONE of these statements are true.  Developers
> consistently, every day, fail to guarantee...  Users, every day,
> consistently break into places where they aren't supposed to be, often
> quite by accident.  And Of course, developers consistently, year after
> year fail to remove menus.  In fact clients consistently, year after
> year DEMAND that menus remain.  It is not realistic to start from the
> perfect world and assume none of these things happen.
>
> I have a simple question.  How many of us know how to build a table.
> The first thing all of you will say (waving hand in the air shouting
> frantically) is "I do, I do".  But in fact I don't have a clue how to
> build a table.  Or more correctly I can figure it out using DAO, and I
> can figure it out using SQL but what do I do under normal circumstances?
> Use a WIZARD. The wizard knows how to build a table, I know how to use a
> wizard to build a table.  Same with queries.
>
> I am attempting to design a system (a wizard) that a developer can use
> to set up the type of security we are discussing here, which I call
> "presentation security".  Light Weight Security allows the developer (or
> even the client) to set up the groups and users.  Once these two tables
> are initialized, there is a "wizard" that allows the developer to select
> forms and then assign groups that can Open/See/Edit/Delete/AddRec etc.
> Whatever the developer decides is stored in a pair of tables (forms and
> controls).
>
> Notice that all of these things (except open) are nothing more than
> properties of the form.  LWS is attempting to manipulate form properties
> based upon information stored in tables.
>
> The wizard will allow the developer to select a form, see all of the
> controls on the form, and select controls that you wish to lock down
> such that only specific groups can See/Enter/Edit.
>
> That is LWS.  The group / user login stuff is working.  The FORM
> security is working (minus a few inconsistencies in being able to hide
> the forms).  The control security is not finished yet.  My post to this
> group was an attempt to figure out how to allow LWS to consistently and
> reliably control the VISIBILITY of a form.  Access does not make it
> easy, but I have had a couple of good suggestions that will help me
> solve this problem.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
>
>
> Hi John
>
> I think Ken has a point here and that you maybe are overcomplicating the
> task. I mean - forms don't just open, and users don't unhide hidden
> forms; how should they be able to do that when the developer has
> designed menus and toolbars for his/her app?
>
> Also, applying any form of security, light weight or not, the developer
> will have to walk through the app from a to z and arrange for
> modification of menus, buttons, labels ("Double click her to view
> details") etc. If a button is labelled "Show details" on a form and it
> should be disabled for certain users, he/she would need to either make
> the button not visible or not enabled or pop up a message telling that
> the user has been revoked rights to view the details; this I guess would
> be beyond the goal of your LWS tool. Leaving the button as it is and the
> user presses it and the details form just opens hidden is bad UI design
> as the user has no chance for knowing what is going on other than "it
> doesn't work".
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Ken,
>
> > I am writing a security utility aimed at other developers.  It is
> > designed to allow YOU (and me as a developer) to manage the
> > presentation security
> of
> > a database front end.  IOW, what forms can a user / group open?  View?
> Add
> > records to?  Delete records in?  Edit records in?  Etc.
>
> > As you can see, I am not necessarily "in control of" the target FE at
> design
> > time since the FE is YOURS.  Why would you want to open a form not
> visible?
> > Perhaps the form is a filter form that you use to feed values to a
> > query. Perhaps the form has a timer ticking that performs some
> > process.
> Perhaps...
> > uh... I have no damned idea what else you might decide to do with a
> > form that is open but that a selected group or groups of users are not
>
> > allowed
> to
> > see.  I know that I personally use a hidden form to force a cleanup of
>
> > my framework when the database closes.  Since a form cannot close
> > without
> it's
> > OnClose firing, I use that to run a Terminate() function that closes
> > everything gracefully.  So not matter how the db closes, my term()
> function
> > runs.
>
> > I cannot allow the users to unhide that since it is a background
> processing
> > form and they have no business there.
>
> > In the end though, the answer is I don't know why any given developer
> > is going to want to open a form that users can't see, I simply know
> > that it happens and I need to provide the developer with a means of
> > enforcing this security.
>
> ---
>
> > 1. It escapes me why you would even want to manage an open, invisible
> form.
> > If the user can't view it, then by far the simplist thing to do is not
> open
> > it. Is there some other issue driving this need that you haven't
> elaborated
> > on?
>
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Nov 12 18:47:52 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:47:52 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser
Message-ID: <01a801c3a97f$c4ea8370$3c619a89@DDICK>

Hello all
I have a Web Developer friend asking me if anyone knows of some useful
URL's that will show how to or give examples of administering Access security via a browser.

She has Access Security implemented and can administer it fine from the local PC via the
'normal' means, she just wants to do it via the web 

Many thanks in advance

Darren



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 12 18:59:56 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:59:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au  Wed Nov 12 19:00:16 2003
From: connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au (connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:00:16 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser
Message-ID: <OFA0F2704D.CA1DAE10-ONCA256DDD.000544F0@agric.nsw.gov.au>

Darren,

I have foudn some interesting articles on here for web based applications. 
You have to sort through a few but there is some good content. 

http://www.internetwebfactory.com/dotnet.html

Connie Kamrowski

Analyst/Programmer
Information Technology
NSW Agriculture
Orange

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 12 19:03:53 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:03:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
In-Reply-To: <00d901c3a961$d256eda0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Rocky,

The reason this is happening (I think) is that in order to use the old ADH
code (I used it myself) you had to design for the smallest resolution, i.e.
you manually edited the controls down to that size (or set it all up
actually using 640x480).  I know of nothing that will go in and resize
everything for you, though there may be tools like that.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:13 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms


Dear List:

I have an application which I developed many years ago on a machine with a
screen of resolution 640 x 480.  I used the ADH resizing code so the form
would fill the screen regardless of the target machine resolution.

I don't use that resizing code in my apps anymore and I would like to
abandon that now in this app and go with a straight 800 x 600 which is what
my screen is set to.

But the 640 x 480 resolution seems to be a part of the form somehow and each
of the controls as well because if I copy over the controls, they don't size
correctly on my 800 x 600 screen.  They appear smaller as they would when
you put a 640x480 form or control on an 800 x 600 screen.

Plus any new forms I've added to this app recently original in 800 x 600 and
that's fine.

Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Nov 12 19:14:52 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:14:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <011f01c3a983$8a8de1f0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

I originally created the forms on a machine whose screen res was set to 640
x 480.

But there's got to be a way to escape from this trap without re-creating the
forms all over on the 600 x 800 machine.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms


> Rocky,
>
> The reason this is happening (I think) is that in order to use the old ADH
> code (I used it myself) you had to design for the smallest resolution,
i.e.
> you manually edited the controls down to that size (or set it all up
> actually using 640x480).  I know of nothing that will go in and resize
> everything for you, though there may be tools like that.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:13 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have an application which I developed many years ago on a machine with a
> screen of resolution 640 x 480.  I used the ADH resizing code so the form
> would fill the screen regardless of the target machine resolution.
>
> I don't use that resizing code in my apps anymore and I would like to
> abandon that now in this app and go with a straight 800 x 600 which is
what
> my screen is set to.
>
> But the 640 x 480 resolution seems to be a part of the form somehow and
each
> of the controls as well because if I copy over the controls, they don't
size
> correctly on my 800 x 600 screen.  They appear smaller as they would when
> you put a 640x480 form or control on an 800 x 600 screen.
>
> Plus any new forms I've added to this app recently original in 800 x 600
and
> that's fine.
>
> Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Wed Nov 12 19:15:45 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:45:45 +1030
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A527@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I  Use MDE's and
roll my own security depending on the requirements of the client.

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Wed Nov 12 19:25:51 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:25:51 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A527@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <02d601c3a985$13ac4f70$8001a8c0@user>

Yeah - I would be a 2, but unless the client specifically insists on that form of security (it did happen once but 3 years ago) I use my own login / security procedure.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Haslett, Andrew 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:15 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


  6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I  Use MDE's and
  roll my own security depending on the requirements of the client.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
  Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM
  To: AccessD
  Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


  I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
  security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
  workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

  Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

  1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
  down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
  2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
  definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
  3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
  need help / books to do it again.
  4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
  off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
  done.  Books / help definitly needed.
  5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
  it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

  If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

  As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
  willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
  just never did it (for real).

  John W. Colby
  www.colbyconsulting.com


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 12 19:23:09 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:23:09 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] SQL trusted connection problem
In-Reply-To: <D3C4180250579C42A9C6A5A199772138068B5B@comet.home.bayplace.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOELCCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Phil:

Check the following out in your registry. If a similar entry does not exist
add this entry in, to the client stations:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\MSSQLSERVER\Client\ConnectTo]"MyServe
r"="DBNMPNTW,MyServer"

Had to run an automated process on almost sixty stations about a year ago.

HTH
Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Phil Jewett
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:36 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] SQL trusted connection problem


When I run my Access 2000 frontend on a Windows XP/Access 2002 box, the
SQL Server 2000 login fails, insisting on the 'trusted connection'
network login instead of the SQL Server authentication in the ODBC
connection string.  This was presumably fixed in MDAC 2.6 SP2 - but
maybe only for Access 2000.  It's still there for Access 2002!  This
problem is discussed in
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;279526 .  Any
help on this?

Thanks,

Phil Jewett



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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 12 19:33:13 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:33:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <02d601c3a985$13ac4f70$8001a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEKKFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Kath,

Pardon me if I seem incredulous but you are saying that you have used Access
Security once, three years ago, but could secure a database in a few hours
without referencing any books or help?  Is this the same security I am
looking at?  Am I making it harder than it is?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Yeah - I would be a 2, but unless the client specifically insists on that
form of security (it did happen once but 3 years ago) I use my own login /
security procedure.

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Haslett, Andrew
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:15 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


  6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I  Use MDE's and
  roll my own security depending on the requirements of the client.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
  Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM
  To: AccessD
  Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


  I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
  security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
  workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

  Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

  1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
  down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
  2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
  definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
  3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
would
  need help / books to do it again.
  4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
toe
  off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
  done.  Books / help definitly needed.
  5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
learn
  it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

  If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

  As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
  willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so
I
  just never did it (for real).

  John W. Colby
  www.colbyconsulting.com


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Nov 12 19:35:16 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:35:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <31961463.1068685360095.JavaMail.root@sniper.marix.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3a986$64742170$de1811d8@DanWaters>

I would consider myself a 4.  

I know how to deactivate the F11 key and shift bypass keys in code, and have
installed a workgroup file in a network folder that was secured to all but
network admin people.  The database opened fine for all users!  Test first -
this is not documented!

Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Wed Nov 12 19:37:38 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:37:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <PBEDKHOENPLNGHCEPCDPAEJFDEAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>

2 for me please....


Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 12 19:39:39 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:39:39 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKELDCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

Odd questions but I would rate myself as a 4, the other stuff I have samples
on but would have to dig for the answers. The ultimate security is simply to
go to any SQL server, as far as I am concerned. MDB security is too fragile
and hackable. A couple of years back I had to hack a few, think it was two
or three, MDBs that were supposedly secure, so the client could work on the
tables after the initial programmers had disappeared. Cracked them all...and
I would not consider myself a whiz at that stuff, it was just that MS MDB
security is a little weak.

M$'s main DB security is lack of supplied information.

My two cents worth
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Wed Nov 12 19:50:57 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:50:57 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEKKFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <032001c3a988$95727ae0$8001a8c0@user>

No - I have (years ago) trained advanced users in Access security over and over again, so the basics had to become second knowledge to me.

I was asked by a client when writing a large-ish system to specifically use security so I did that. I have helped clients who have secured databases with setting up shortcuts to specifically call their mdw files, as they often have several mdb's secured and several mdw's. I have helped clients who have corrupted their system mdw's restore them back etc etc.

So it may take me some basic revision now that I do not use it (my choice and totally my preference) but not much.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John W. Colby 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:33 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


  Kath,

  Pardon me if I seem incredulous but you are saying that you have used Access
  Security once, three years ago, but could secure a database in a few hours
  without referencing any books or help?  Is this the same security I am
  looking at?  Am I making it harder than it is?

  John W. Colby
  www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:26 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


  Yeah - I would be a 2, but unless the client specifically insists on that
  form of security (it did happen once but 3 years ago) I use my own login /
  security procedure.

  Kath
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Haslett, Andrew
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
    Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:15 PM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


    6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I  Use MDE's and
    roll my own security depending on the requirements of the client.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
    Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM
    To: AccessD
    Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


    I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
    security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
    workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

    Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

    1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
    down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
    2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
    definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
    3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
  would
    need help / books to do it again.
    4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
  toe
    off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
    done.  Books / help definitly needed.
    5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
  learn
    it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

    If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

    As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
    willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so
  I
    just never did it (for real).

    John W. Colby
    www.colbyconsulting.com


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From sgoodhall at comcast.net  Wed Nov 12 20:00:23 2003
From: sgoodhall at comcast.net (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:00:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <GOEIJOAPGAMPLIOCMEPMGEDPCMAA.sgoodhall@comcast.net>

1. Actually, I would probably be a 2 except that I got so annoyed with the
process that I automated it.  It's on my web site at
www.goodhall.info/steve/software.html

Regards,

Steve Goodhall



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 12 20:01:18 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:01:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <032001c3a988$95727ae0$8001a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEKMFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Ahh.. understood.

And why is it your choice to not use Access Security? (yes, that is a
leading question ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


No - I have (years ago) trained advanced users in Access security over and
over again, so the basics had to become second knowledge to me.

I was asked by a client when writing a large-ish system to specifically use
security so I did that. I have helped clients who have secured databases
with setting up shortcuts to specifically call their mdw files, as they
often have several mdb's secured and several mdw's. I have helped clients
who have corrupted their system mdw's restore them back etc etc.

So it may take me some basic revision now that I do not use it (my choice
and totally my preference) but not much.

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: John W. Colby
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:33 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


  Kath,

  Pardon me if I seem incredulous but you are saying that you have used
Access
  Security once, three years ago, but could secure a database in a few hours
  without referencing any books or help?  Is this the same security I am
  looking at?  Am I making it harder than it is?

  John W. Colby
  www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:26 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


  Yeah - I would be a 2, but unless the client specifically insists on that
  form of security (it did happen once but 3 years ago) I use my own login /
  security procedure.

  Kath
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Haslett, Andrew
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
    Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:15 PM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


    6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I  Use MDE's
and
    roll my own security depending on the requirements of the client.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
    Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM
    To: AccessD
    Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


    I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
    security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather
using
    workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

    Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

    1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a
database
    down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
    2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
    definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
    3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
  would
    need help / books to do it again.
    4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
  toe
    off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
    done.  Books / help definitly needed.
    5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
  learn
    it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

    If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate
it.

    As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
    willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do
so
  I
    just never did it (for real).

    John W. Colby
    www.colbyconsulting.com





From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 12 20:02:44 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:02:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKELDCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEKMFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>M$'s main DB security is lack of supplied information.

ROTFL.

And I intentionally called mine Light Weight Security precisely to avoid any
expectations that it would lock down a database against someone like
yourself.

I have discovered that:

There are hackers out there that can take down Fort Knox.  If you are
worried about them Access is not your tool.
99.9% of the day to day damage is done by innocent users doing things they
shouldn't be allowed to do.
99.9% of that damage is easily prevented using something waaaaaaay less
obtuse than Access security.

Funny but true story.  I had a user who had apparently taken a class
somewhere.  She told me one day that she had attempted to make a change to
one of my tables but that she couldn't make the change stick.  She was
attempting to MODIFY a field in a LINKED table.  She did not even understand
what a linked table was, nor where the real data was.

It never occurred to me that a user would even attempt to modify a table of
a database that was company property and over which she had no design
authority.  She was just a user!

No harm was done of course, but I had to have a heart to heart with her as
to what her job was.

And of course, if the company allows it (and this one doesn't) simply
setting the database properties would keep such inexpert busy fingers out of
the pie.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Hi John:

Odd questions but I would rate myself as a 4, the other stuff I have samples
on but would have to dig for the answers. The ultimate security is simply to
go to any SQL server, as far as I am concerned. MDB security is too fragile
and hackable. A couple of years back I had to hack a few, think it was two
or three, MDBs that were supposedly secure, so the client could work on the
tables after the initial programmers had disappeared. Cracked them all...and
I would not consider myself a whiz at that stuff, it was just that MS MDB
security is a little weak.

M$'s main DB security is lack of supplied information.

My two cents worth
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Wed Nov 12 20:31:58 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:31:58 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEKMFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <003501c3a98e$50405770$8001a8c0@user>

Several reasons:

1. Most of my clients don't need that level of security and protect their data in other ways,

2. I have worked on several sites where the combination of mdb's secured with multiple mdw's was a nightmare for the same people who set them up (ie in house staff), several cases of 'lost' mdw's and I find that too often the original system mdw's are modified (I can remember posting problems with Access security to the list which all ended up being a case of the client's original system.mdw having been modified....headaches) 

3. When clients ask me (all the time) to set up security, it has mostly been because they want to make some aspects of the system visible / not visible to groups of users, or certain functions available / not available to groups of users. So a homegrown system which tracks a user group and user name has been enough for me combined with setting my system properties before delivering the mde. It is made clear to the client that this level of security will never prevent them from a professional who is determined to hack in.

I'm not expert on this and I look forward to reading what the "1's"  have to say...........so many posts have been made to the list on security that it's obviously an issue for most developers at some stage or another.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John W. Colby 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:01 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


  Ahh.. understood.

  And why is it your choice to not use Access Security? (yes, that is a
  leading question ;-)

  John W. Colby
  www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:51 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


  No - I have (years ago) trained advanced users in Access security over and
  over again, so the basics had to become second knowledge to me.

  I was asked by a client when writing a large-ish system to specifically use
  security so I did that. I have helped clients who have secured databases
  with setting up shortcuts to specifically call their mdw files, as they
  often have several mdb's secured and several mdw's. I have helped clients
  who have corrupted their system mdw's restore them back etc etc.

  So it may take me some basic revision now that I do not use it (my choice
  and totally my preference) but not much.

  Kath
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: John W. Colby
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:33 PM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


    Kath,

    Pardon me if I seem incredulous but you are saying that you have used
  Access
    Security once, three years ago, but could secure a database in a few hours
    without referencing any books or help?  Is this the same security I am
    looking at?  Am I making it harder than it is?

    John W. Colby
    www.colbyconsulting.com

    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
    Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:26 PM
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


    Yeah - I would be a 2, but unless the client specifically insists on that
    form of security (it did happen once but 3 years ago) I use my own login /
    security procedure.

    Kath
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Haslett, Andrew
      To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
      Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:15 PM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


      6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I  Use MDE's
  and
      roll my own security depending on the requirements of the client.

      -----Original Message-----
      From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
      Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM
      To: AccessD
      Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


      I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
      security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather
  using
      workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

      Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

      1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a
  database
      down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
      2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
      definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
      3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
    would
      need help / books to do it again.
      4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
    toe
      off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
      done.  Books / help definitly needed.
      5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
    learn
      it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

      If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate
  it.

      As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
      willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do
  so
    I
      just never did it (for real).

      John W. Colby
      www.colbyconsulting.com




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From connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au  Wed Nov 12 20:35:46 2003
From: connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au (connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:35:46 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <OF78AE2867.B03937FE-ONCA256DDD.000E25F0@agric.nsw.gov.au>

4)I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a 
toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definately needed.

Connie Kamrowski

Analyst/Programmer
Information Technology
NSW Agriculture
Orange

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Nov 12 20:48:37 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:48:37 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <20031112204837.1758067974.serbach@new.rr.com>

John,

I'm a 4.5: I've read about it but never attempted it.

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 12 20:44:05 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:44:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <005c01c3a97a$93181880$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKOFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Ken,

 * Developers need a way to query LWS about permissions, something like:
	cmdShowSalary.Visible = LWS.HasPermission(CurrentUser, "Open", "frmSalary")

 * If LWS could automatically enable/show a control based on a user's
permissions to open a particular form (with no coding on the developer's
part), that would be _way_ cool.

It does both of these things.  In fact it takes it one step further and just
does it for the developer, code similar to your first example is embedded in
the form class.

I designed LWS years ago for my own needs.  I wanted a means of setting up
presentation security quickly and easily.  I have run into many scenarios
over the years where the user wanted common screens for everyone to use, but
wanted some people to be able to do this, some to do that.  Some users were
data entry and could add records but not delete existing records, others
were users who weren't supposed to add records, only edit existing records,
but only in this area.  Some were supervisors that could "log in" to a
normal user's machine to over-ride a mistake.  Only Personnel could even
view the personnel records, only managers could edit employee eval forms.

In a real world database (except for Gustav's for some odd reason ;-) it is
not uncommon for data entry to not find existing claimants (for example) and
create a new claimant.  The SSN was entered wrong and so in they go.  Later
it is discovered that there are two claimant records for the same person
with claims assigned to each of them.  Someone has to go in and reassign the
claims from one of the dupe claimants to another, then go back and delete
the dupe claimant.

I set up a combo on the claim form that is bound to the claimant FK in the
claim.  The regular user doesn't even see this combo, it is hidden to them.
A supervisor can log in however and this combo unhides automatically because
the supervisor group has view/edit privileges on that control.  The
supervisor can then select the correct claimant record and the claim is now
re-assigned to that claimant record.  The supervisor can go in to the
claimant form and delete the duplicate record whereas no other group (except
administrator) has authority to delete claimants.  Managers can view / edit
employee eval forms, personnel can view but not edit, no other group can
even open them.

All of these capabilities are what LWS provides.  My original LWS did not
use user / groups and thus was a bit of a pain to administer.  Since I wrote
the original I have learned a lot, classes and withevents included, so I
decided a rewrite was in order.

Basically the concept is working as we speak.  Users / groups / login /
assigning authority over form properties
(open/visible/AllowEdit/AllowDelete/AllowAdd) to groups / Assigning
authority over control properties to groups (visible / Locked / Enabled).
All of that functionality exists and is working.  I have forms for editing
users / groups / form properties, and am working on the form for editing
control properties.

LWS is close to being a usable system again, using everything I've learned
since the last time.

It is not intended as a replacement for Access' security, rather a
compliment to it.  It makes no effort to secure things like queries or
tables.  It does nothing more than set properties of forms and controls as a
form opens to control who can use / see / edit things.  Other forms of
security (such as setting database properties) should be used as well.
Perhaps even Access' built-in security, depending on the needs.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John,

I agree with Lambert that users are nosy and invasive. However, if you lock
down the interface, and use an mde in runtime mode, you will keep out all
but the most persistent users.

I also have to agree with Gustav that most developers will choose to manage
the user's access by hiding or disabling controls. This means that the LWS
form permission functionality will be rarely needed in production apps.

Is this a drawback of the LWS idea? No... I see several opportunities here:

 * LWS form permissions can act as a failsafe if there are leaks in the UI
logic. Because this is an exceptional condition, you wouldn't have to do
anything fancy: just display a message and close the form.

 * Developers need a way to query LWS about permissions, something like:
	cmdShowSalary.Visible = LWS.HasPermission(CurrentUser, "Open", "frmSalary")

 * If LWS could automatically enable/show a control based on a user's
permissions to open a particular form (with no coding on the developer's
part), that would be _way_ cool.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'jcolby at colbyconsulting.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John,

I followed your arguments for doing this, and I fully agree with your
comments along the lines of, "if the user *can* do it s/he *will* do it".

FWIW, here's one way you might want to do what you asked for. If you set the
timer interval to 1 millisecond then the form opens without the user seeing
anything but the merest flicker on screen. That's in A97, but it should work
in 2K as well

Here's the form's code module

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Const mod_bAllowVisible = False ' simulate user's inability to 'see' this
form.

Private Sub Form_Activate()
   ' re-hide the form if a user unhides it manually
    Me.Visible = mod_bAllowVisible
    DoEvents
End Sub

Private Sub Form_Timer()
   ' Hide the form after it's loaded
    Me.Visible = mod_bAllowVisible
    DoEvents
   ' no need to fire this event any more so...
    Me.TimerInterval = 0
End Sub


Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John W. Colby [SMTP:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:53 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
>
> What you're missing is that THIS IS A WIZARD FOR YOU!!!
>
> I have no clue what YOU are doing so I have to desing it as if YOU don't
> have a clue.
>
> John W. Colby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:16 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
>
>
> Am I missing something, John?  If you're using a forms class, wouldn't
> there be a test in the Form_Open event of the class to see whether the
> user is allowed to view the form?  Or are you talking about users
> managing to find their way into forms already opened hidden?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
>
>
> Gustav,
>
> >I mean - forms don't just open
>
> Of course forms "just open".  What do you think the switchboard does?
> It "just opens" forms.  And plenty of developers use the switchboard.
>
> >and users don't unhide hidden forms
>
> Of course users unhide forms.  Users poke and pry, and go where they
> aren't supposed to, and find all the chinks in your armor.  If it's not
> supposed to be done, and you have locked that sucker down tight, a user
> WILL get in there!
>
> >he/she would need to either make the button not visible or not enabled
> >or
> pop up a message telling that the user has been revoked rights to view
> the details; this I guess would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool.
>
> No, in fact that is exactly the goal of my tool.  It allows you to
> create up to 31 groups and unlimited users.  You then add users to
> groups, ala Windows or SQL Server.  You then tell LWS "These groups can
> SEE these forms". "These groups can see this control on this form".
> etc.
>
> The flip side of this is that any groups NOT allowed to SEE those forms,
> by definition CAN'T SEE those forms.  And it is the job of LWS to
> guarantee that those users CAN'T see forms they are not supposed to see.
> Thus my email - how do I GUARANTEE that a form that the user is not
> supposed to see remains invisible?
>
> The point here is that every one who has responded so far has simply
> taken the point of view that "the developer will guarantee" or "users
> won't" or "of course the developer will get rid of menus" etc.
>
> We all know that NONE of these statements are true.  Developers
> consistently, every day, fail to guarantee...  Users, every day,
> consistently break into places where they aren't supposed to be, often
> quite by accident.  And Of course, developers consistently, year after
> year fail to remove menus.  In fact clients consistently, year after
> year DEMAND that menus remain.  It is not realistic to start from the
> perfect world and assume none of these things happen.
>
> I have a simple question.  How many of us know how to build a table.
> The first thing all of you will say (waving hand in the air shouting
> frantically) is "I do, I do".  But in fact I don't have a clue how to
> build a table.  Or more correctly I can figure it out using DAO, and I
> can figure it out using SQL but what do I do under normal circumstances?
> Use a WIZARD. The wizard knows how to build a table, I know how to use a
> wizard to build a table.  Same with queries.
>
> I am attempting to design a system (a wizard) that a developer can use
> to set up the type of security we are discussing here, which I call
> "presentation security".  Light Weight Security allows the developer (or
> even the client) to set up the groups and users.  Once these two tables
> are initialized, there is a "wizard" that allows the developer to select
> forms and then assign groups that can Open/See/Edit/Delete/AddRec etc.
> Whatever the developer decides is stored in a pair of tables (forms and
> controls).
>
> Notice that all of these things (except open) are nothing more than
> properties of the form.  LWS is attempting to manipulate form properties
> based upon information stored in tables.
>
> The wizard will allow the developer to select a form, see all of the
> controls on the form, and select controls that you wish to lock down
> such that only specific groups can See/Enter/Edit.
>
> That is LWS.  The group / user login stuff is working.  The FORM
> security is working (minus a few inconsistencies in being able to hide
> the forms).  The control security is not finished yet.  My post to this
> group was an attempt to figure out how to allow LWS to consistently and
> reliably control the VISIBILITY of a form.  Access does not make it
> easy, but I have had a couple of good suggestions that will help me
> solve this problem.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
>
>
> Hi John
>
> I think Ken has a point here and that you maybe are overcomplicating the
> task. I mean - forms don't just open, and users don't unhide hidden
> forms; how should they be able to do that when the developer has
> designed menus and toolbars for his/her app?
>
> Also, applying any form of security, light weight or not, the developer
> will have to walk through the app from a to z and arrange for
> modification of menus, buttons, labels ("Double click her to view
> details") etc. If a button is labelled "Show details" on a form and it
> should be disabled for certain users, he/she would need to either make
> the button not visible or not enabled or pop up a message telling that
> the user has been revoked rights to view the details; this I guess would
> be beyond the goal of your LWS tool. Leaving the button as it is and the
> user presses it and the details form just opens hidden is bad UI design
> as the user has no chance for knowing what is going on other than "it
> doesn't work".
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Ken,
>
> > I am writing a security utility aimed at other developers.  It is
> > designed to allow YOU (and me as a developer) to manage the
> > presentation security
> of
> > a database front end.  IOW, what forms can a user / group open?  View?
> Add
> > records to?  Delete records in?  Edit records in?  Etc.
>
> > As you can see, I am not necessarily "in control of" the target FE at
> design
> > time since the FE is YOURS.  Why would you want to open a form not
> visible?
> > Perhaps the form is a filter form that you use to feed values to a
> > query. Perhaps the form has a timer ticking that performs some
> > process.
> Perhaps...
> > uh... I have no damned idea what else you might decide to do with a
> > form that is open but that a selected group or groups of users are not
>
> > allowed
> to
> > see.  I know that I personally use a hidden form to force a cleanup of
>
> > my framework when the database closes.  Since a form cannot close
> > without
> it's
> > OnClose firing, I use that to run a Terminate() function that closes
> > everything gracefully.  So not matter how the db closes, my term()
> function
> > runs.
>
> > I cannot allow the users to unhide that since it is a background
> processing
> > form and they have no business there.
>
> > In the end though, the answer is I don't know why any given developer
> > is going to want to open a form that users can't see, I simply know
> > that it happens and I need to provide the developer with a means of
> > enforcing this security.
>
> ---
>
> > 1. It escapes me why you would even want to manage an open, invisible
> form.
> > If the user can't view it, then by far the simplist thing to do is not
> open
> > it. Is there some other issue driving this need that you haven't
> elaborated
> > on?
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov 12 20:56:42 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:56:42 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3FB37F8A.11940.CC8868@localhost>

On 12 Nov 2003 at 19:59, John W. Colby wrote:

> I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
> security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
> workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.
> 
> Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
> 
> 1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
> down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
> 2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
> definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
> 3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
> need help / books to do it again.
> 4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
> off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
> done.  Books / help definitly needed.
> 5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
> it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
> 
> If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.
> 

2.5
I've actually spent more time cracking protected systems and 
rebuilding them without the built in Access security than I have 
implementing it.

I generally roll my own control systems.  MDEs and judicious use of 
the Username() API call to control form access and to enable/disable 
controls on open keeps all but the really determined under control.

 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Wed Nov 12 19:49:51 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:49:51 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F29088500@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Make me a 2.

Bond

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 2:00 p.m.
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> 
> 
> I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
> security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, 
> rather using
> workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.
> 
> Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
> 
> 1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily 
> lock a database
> down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
> 2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
> definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
> 3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying 
> project.  I would
> need help / books to do it again.
> 4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed 
> to shoot a toe
> off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could 
> get the job
> done.  Books / help definitly needed.
> 5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where 
> would I go to learn
> it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
> 
> If you would please just select a number and reply I would 
> appreciate it.
> 
> As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
> willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to 
> learn / do so I
> just never did it (for real).
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 12 21:54:48 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:54:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJCECOFFAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi John,
A really lackadaisical "4"
I don't just care for it. I roll my own.

If you're really interested in Access Security you might want to check out
Garry Robinson's new book about it:
http://www.apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=189

John B.



From tomk at multiline.com.au  Tue Nov 11 22:04:12 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:04:12 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <003501c3a8d2$0aeb09c0$0300a8c0@print>

I am a definate 5...

Although I have never had the need to use any security and have done no
study on it .... I generally (if any protection is needed at all) simply
disable controls except when the Db is on a particular users machine (call
that the administrator) where the controls will be enabled depending on the
computer name

REgards

Tom Keatley


From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 12 22:06:30 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:06:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
In-Reply-To: <011f01c3a983$8a8de1f0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMEPPEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Rocky,
Sorry to say but I think you are trapped. You could email Ken Getz and he
would probably be able to give you the best answer.

Curious, are you abandoning because its not working good or just because you
don't need it anymore?

John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:15 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
>
>
> I originally created the forms on a machine whose screen res was
> set to 640
> x 480.
>
> But there's got to be a way to escape from this trap without
> re-creating the
> forms all over on the 600 x 800 machine.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:03 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > The reason this is happening (I think) is that in order to use
> the old ADH
> > code (I used it myself) you had to design for the smallest resolution,
> i.e.
> > you manually edited the controls down to that size (or set it all up
> > actually using 640x480).  I know of nothing that will go in and resize
> > everything for you, though there may be tools like that.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:13 PM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I have an application which I developed many years ago on a
> machine with a
> > screen of resolution 640 x 480.  I used the ADH resizing code
> so the form
> > would fill the screen regardless of the target machine resolution.
> >
> > I don't use that resizing code in my apps anymore and I would like to
> > abandon that now in this app and go with a straight 800 x 600 which is
> what
> > my screen is set to.
> >
> > But the 640 x 480 resolution seems to be a part of the form somehow and
> each
> > of the controls as well because if I copy over the controls, they don't
> size
> > correctly on my 800 x 600 screen.  They appear smaller as they
> would when
> > you put a 640x480 form or control on an 800 x 600 screen.
> >
> > Plus any new forms I've added to this app recently original in 800 x 600
> and
> > that's fine.
> >
> > Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From tomk at multiline.com.au  Tue Nov 11 22:20:05 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:20:05 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<011f01c3a983$8a8de1f0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <004801c3a8d4$476bdc10$0300a8c0@print>

> > Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?
> >
> > MTIA,

I had a need recently to change screen resolution as  most of the forms were
designed in 1280 x 1152 and had to display at a fixed 1024x768 so I bought a
code module from

http://www.peterssoftware.com/ssfaq.htm

It works and re-sizes the forms ...is easy to install as you just change
OPENFORM  to I think SS_OPEN with Rich Fishers Find&REplace (or similar).
The problem I found with the A97 version of the module was that it has
trouble rendering the fonts correctly .... It is however still usable  ...I
was making the forms SMALLER in most cases and you will be making them
LARGER ...so your mileage may be different

Regards

Tom Keatley



From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 12 23:15:46 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:15:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
In-Reply-To: <004801c3a8d4$476bdc10$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEDBFFAA.john@winhaven.net>

I didn't know about that - did you use the staic resizing to do the deed?

There's a light security system there too, JC
:o)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tom Keatley
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 10:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> 
> 
> > > Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?
> > >
> > > MTIA,
> 
> I had a need recently to change screen resolution as  most of the 
> forms were
> designed in 1280 x 1152 and had to display at a fixed 1024x768 so 
> I bought a
> code module from
> 
> http://www.peterssoftware.com/ssfaq.htm
> 



From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 12 23:38:31 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:38:31 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEDBFFAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEAAENAA.john@winhaven.net>

that is supposed to be "Static" resizing 
:o|

> I didn't know about that - did you use the staic resizing to do the deed?
> 
> There's a light security system there too, JC
> :o)
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tom Keatley
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 10:20 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> > 
> > 
> > > > Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?
> > > >
> > > > MTIA,
> > 
> > I had a need recently to change screen resolution as  most of the 
> > forms were
> > designed in 1280 x 1152 and had to display at a fixed 1024x768 so 
> > I bought a
> > code module from
> > 
> > http://www.peterssoftware.com/ssfaq.htm
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Nov 12 23:51:40 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:51:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMEPPEMAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <017d01c3a9aa$35a5ab10$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Just don't need it.  And the resizing causes other problems.  How do I email
Ken Getz?

Thanks in advance, I'll be gone until Monday.

Regards,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:06 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms


> Rocky,
> Sorry to say but I think you are trapped. You could email Ken Getz and he
> would probably be able to give you the best answer.
>
> Curious, are you abandoning because its not working good or just because
you
> don't need it anymore?
>
> John B.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:15 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> >
> >
> > I originally created the forms on a machine whose screen res was
> > set to 640
> > x 480.
> >
> > But there's got to be a way to escape from this trap without
> > re-creating the
> > forms all over on the 600 x 800 machine.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:03 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> >
> >
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > The reason this is happening (I think) is that in order to use
> > the old ADH
> > > code (I used it myself) you had to design for the smallest resolution,
> > i.e.
> > > you manually edited the controls down to that size (or set it all up
> > > actually using 640x480).  I know of nothing that will go in and resize
> > > everything for you, though there may be tools like that.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:13 PM
> > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > > I have an application which I developed many years ago on a
> > machine with a
> > > screen of resolution 640 x 480.  I used the ADH resizing code
> > so the form
> > > would fill the screen regardless of the target machine resolution.
> > >
> > > I don't use that resizing code in my apps anymore and I would like to
> > > abandon that now in this app and go with a straight 800 x 600 which is
> > what
> > > my screen is set to.
> > >
> > > But the 640 x 480 resolution seems to be a part of the form somehow
and
> > each
> > > of the controls as well because if I copy over the controls, they
don't
> > size
> > > correctly on my 800 x 600 screen.  They appear smaller as they
> > would when
> > > you put a 640x480 form or control on an 800 x 600 screen.
> > >
> > > Plus any new forms I've added to this app recently original in 800 x
600
> > and
> > > that's fine.
> > >
> > > Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?
> > >
> > > MTIA,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From john at winhaven.net  Thu Nov 13 00:09:01 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:09:01 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
In-Reply-To: <017d01c3a9aa$35a5ab10$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEAAENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Rocky,
kgetz at developershandbook.com

HTH
John B.
ZZZ time...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 11:52 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
>
>
> Just don't need it.  And the resizing causes other problems.  How
> do I email
> Ken Getz?
>
> Thanks in advance, I'll be gone until Monday.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:06 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
>
>
> > Rocky,
> > Sorry to say but I think you are trapped. You could email Ken
> Getz and he
> > would probably be able to give you the best answer.
> >
> > Curious, are you abandoning because its not working good or just because
> you
> > don't need it anymore?
> >
> > John B.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Rocky Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:15 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> > >
> > >
> > > I originally created the forms on a machine whose screen res was
> > > set to 640
> > > x 480.
> > >
> > > But there's got to be a way to escape from this trap without
> > > re-creating the
> > > forms all over on the 600 x 800 machine.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:03 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> > >
> > >
> > > > Rocky,
> > > >
> > > > The reason this is happening (I think) is that in order to use
> > > the old ADH
> > > > code (I used it myself) you had to design for the smallest
> resolution,
> > > i.e.
> > > > you manually edited the controls down to that size (or set it all up
> > > > actually using 640x480).  I know of nothing that will go in
> and resize
> > > > everything for you, though there may be tools like that.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
> Smolin -
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:13 PM
> > > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear List:
> > > >
> > > > I have an application which I developed many years ago on a
> > > machine with a
> > > > screen of resolution 640 x 480.  I used the ADH resizing code
> > > so the form
> > > > would fill the screen regardless of the target machine resolution.
> > > >
> > > > I don't use that resizing code in my apps anymore and I
> would like to
> > > > abandon that now in this app and go with a straight 800 x
> 600 which is
> > > what
> > > > my screen is set to.
> > > >
> > > > But the 640 x 480 resolution seems to be a part of the form somehow
> and
> > > each
> > > > of the controls as well because if I copy over the controls, they
> don't
> > > size
> > > > correctly on my 800 x 600 screen.  They appear smaller as they
> > > would when
> > > > you put a 640x480 form or control on an 800 x 600 screen.
> > > >
> > > > Plus any new forms I've added to this app recently original in 800 x
> 600
> > > and
> > > > that's fine.
> > > >
> > > > Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?
> > > >
> > > > MTIA,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 13 02:54:26 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:54:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Array in array
Message-ID: <1997073320.20031113095426@cactus.dk>

Hi all

No I didn't know this is possible but it is.

ElementK tips:
http://offers.elementkjournals.com/redir3/l7AH_iGAB!http://www.elementkjournals.com/tips.asp

recently wrote about it.

Here's a sample:

<code>

Public Sub ArrayInArray()
  
  Dim asSub(1)  As String
  Dim avMain(1) As Variant
  
  asSub(0) = "Database"
  asSub(1) = "Access"
  avMain(0) = asSub
  asSub(0) = "Advisors"
  asSub(1) = "Developers"
  avMain(1) = asSub
  
  MsgBox avMain(0)(0) & " " & avMain(1)(0), , "ArrayInArray 0"
  MsgBox avMain(0)(1) & " " & avMain(1)(1), , "ArrayInArray 1"

End Sub

</code>

/gustav


From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu Nov 13 03:04:56 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:04:56 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C6740@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

3

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 13 November 2003 01:00
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Robert at servicexp.com  Wed Nov 12 19:36:29 2003
From: Robert at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:36:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <PBEDKHOENPLNGHCEPCDPGEJEDEAA.Robert@servicexp.com>

2 for me please....


Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Nov 13 03:17:39 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:17:39 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
In-Reply-To: <011f01c3a983$8a8de1f0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <000601c3a9c6$fc7b8cc0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Rocky
Is this any use to you? http://www.peterssoftware.com/ss2.htm

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: 13 November 2003 01:15
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> 
> 
> I originally created the forms on a machine whose screen res 
> was set to 640 x 480.
> 
> But there's got to be a way to escape from this trap without 
> re-creating the forms all over on the 600 x 800 machine.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:03 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> 
> 
> > Rocky,
> >
> > The reason this is happening (I think) is that in order to 
> use the old 
> > ADH code (I used it myself) you had to design for the smallest 
> > resolution,
> i.e.
> > you manually edited the controls down to that size (or set 
> it all up 
> > actually using 640x480).  I know of nothing that will go in 
> and resize 
> > everything for you, though there may be tools like that.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin 
> > - Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:13 PM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I have an application which I developed many years ago on a machine 
> > with a screen of resolution 640 x 480.  I used the ADH 
> resizing code 
> > so the form would fill the screen regardless of the target machine 
> > resolution.
> >
> > I don't use that resizing code in my apps anymore and I 
> would like to 
> > abandon that now in this app and go with a straight 800 x 
> 600 which is
> what
> > my screen is set to.
> >
> > But the 640 x 480 resolution seems to be a part of the form somehow 
> > and
> each
> > of the controls as well because if I copy over the controls, they 
> > don't
> size
> > correctly on my 800 x 600 screen.  They appear smaller as 
> they would 
> > when you put a 640x480 form or control on an 800 x 600 screen.
> >
> > Plus any new forms I've added to this app recently original 
> in 800 x 
> > 600
> and
> > that's fine.
> >
> > Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Nov 13 03:21:03 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:21:03 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A527@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <000c01c3a9c7$7621ab90$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Snap. Put me in Andrew's no 6 category. See, we even roll-our-own
categories.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Haslett, Andrew
> Sent: 13 November 2003 01:16
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> 
> 
> 6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I  
> Use MDE's and roll my own security depending on the 
> requirements of the client.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> 
> 
> I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' 
> built-in security. By security I do NOT mean the database 
> properties, rather using workgroups / users to secure forms, 
> tables, queries etc.
> 
> Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
> 
> 1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily 
> lock a database down so tight I can't even get back in.  No 
> help / books needed.
> 2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done 
> but it definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need 
> the help / books.
> 3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying 
> project.  I would need help / books to do it again.
> 4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed 
> to shoot a toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am 
> confident I could get the job done.  Books / help definitly needed.
> 5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where 
> would I go to learn it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
> 
> If you would please just select a number and reply I would 
> appreciate it.
> 
> As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has 
> ever been willing to pay for it and I have always had other 
> things to learn / do so I just never did it (for real).
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> 
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu Nov 13 03:27:06 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:27:06 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C6745@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

I guess I fit in this category as well as #3

:)

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 13 November 2003 09:21
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Snap. Put me in Andrew's no 6 category. See, we even roll-our-own
categories.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Haslett, Andrew
> Sent: 13 November 2003 01:16
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> 
> 
> 6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I
> Use MDE's and roll my own security depending on the 
> requirements of the client.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> 
> 
> I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access'
> built-in security. By security I do NOT mean the database 
> properties, rather using workgroups / users to secure forms, 
> tables, queries etc.
> 
> Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
> 
> 1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily
> lock a database down so tight I can't even get back in.  No 
> help / books needed.
> 2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done 
> but it definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need 
> the help / books.
> 3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying 
> project.  I would need help / books to do it again.
> 4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed 
> to shoot a toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am 
> confident I could get the job done.  Books / help definitly needed.
> 5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where 
> would I go to learn it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
> 
> If you would please just select a number and reply I would
> appreciate it.
> 
> As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has
> ever been willing to pay for it and I have always had other 
> things to learn / do so I just never did it (for real).
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Nov 13 03:32:16 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:32:16 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <22380264.1068715936355.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>

Is there a category for knowing that access has built in security, has tried to get it to work, has never got it to work, and has given up on it unless I get a brainwave and step-by-step idiots guide on it.
Paul Hartland



Message date : Nov 13 2003, 09:27 AM 
>From : Roz Clarke 
To : 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
Copy to : 
Subject : RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security 
I guess I fit in this category as well as #3 

:) 

Roz 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 13 November 2003 09:21 
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security 


Snap. Put me in Andrew's no 6 category. See, we even roll-our-own 
categories. 

Andy Lacey 
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message----- 
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Haslett, Andrew 
> Sent: 13 November 2003 01:16 
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security 
> 
> 
> 6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I 
> Use MDE's and roll my own security depending on the 
> requirements of the client. 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM 
> To: AccessD 
> Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security 
> 
> 
> I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' 
> built-in security. By security I do NOT mean the database 
> properties, rather using workgroups / users to secure forms, 
> tables, queries etc. 
> 
> Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following: 
> 
> 1) I am an Access security guru. I can quickly and easily 
> lock a database down so tight I can't even get back in. No 
> help / books needed. 
> 2) I am fluent with Access security. I can get the job done 
> but it definitely takes a few hours. I probably won't need 
> the help / books. 
> 3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying 
> project. I would need help / books to do it again. 
> 4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed 
> to shoot a toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am 
> confident I could get the job done. Books / help definitly needed. 
> 5) Access has built in security? What is this and where 
> would I go to learn it? Why haven't I ever seen these books / help? 
> 
> If you would please just select a number and reply I would 
> appreciate it. 
> 
> As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4. No client has 
> ever been willing to pay for it and I have always had other 
> things to learn / do so I just never did it (for real). 
> 
> John W. Colby 
> www.colbyconsulting.com 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd 
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
> 
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From Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com  Thu Nov 13 03:35:19 2003
From: Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com (Pain, T. (Tim))
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:35:19 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <0BB2DFBAEF484F4AA077B46F1B165FE6AAD321@lbrn12.d20.intra>

Make me a 4, definitly need the books.

Tim 


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 13 November 2003 01:00
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather
using workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a
database down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books
needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
would need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the
job done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
learn it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate
it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do
so I just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From JOHNWARDBELL at aol.com  Thu Nov 13 03:49:55 2003
From: JOHNWARDBELL at aol.com (JOHNWARDBELL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:49:55 EST
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <3a.40e5eadb.2ce4adc3@aol.com>

John

No 4 .....just.


Wardb

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Nov 13 05:33:11 2003
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:33:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3FB36BF7.6000707@torchlake.com>

Hi John,

I'm a 3.  It was a tedious job for me, because I had to find my way 
through everything.  I probably didn't look in the right places for the 
help I needed - and I had a hard time understanding the help I did find.

Tina

John W. Colby wrote:

>I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
>security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
>workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.
>
>Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
>
>1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
>down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
>2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
>definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
>3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
>need help / books to do it again.
>4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
>off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
>done.  Books / help definitly needed.
>5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
>it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
>
>If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.
>
>As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
>willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
>just never did it (for real).
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>  
>



From djkr at msn.com  Thu Nov 13 06:25:57 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:25:57 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C6745@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <001301c3a9e1$4a1dab60$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

6 for me, too.
John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: 13 November 2003 09:27
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> 
> 
> I guess I fit in this category as well as #3
> 
> :)
> 
> Roz
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
> Sent: 13 November 2003 09:21
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> 
> 
> Snap. Put me in Andrew's no 6 category. See, we even 
> roll-our-own categories.
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Haslett, Andrew
> > Sent: 13 November 2003 01:16
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> > 
> > 
> > 6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I 
> Use MDE's 
> > and roll my own security depending on the requirements of 
> the client.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> > 
> > 
> > I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' 
> built-in 
> > security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather 
> > using workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.
> > 
> > Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the 
> following:
> > 
> > 1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a 
> > database down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books 
> > needed.
> > 2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done
> > but it definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need 
> > the help / books.
> > 3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying 
> > project.  I would need help / books to do it again.
> > 4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed 
> > to shoot a toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am 
> > confident I could get the job done.  Books / help definitly needed.
> > 5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where 
> > would I go to learn it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
> > 
> > If you would please just select a number and reply I would 
> appreciate 
> > it.
> > 
> > As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client 
> has ever been 
> > willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to 
> learn / do 
> > so I just never did it (for real).
> > 
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > 
> > 
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Nov 13 06:30:43 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:30:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DCE@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Kath, I totaly agree with you.

I believe I'm a 3, but I find Access security insuffcient and
unpractical to use so I stopped using it (for same reasons as you state
in point 2, I want to add that a office repair each time reset or
overwrites your MDW file).
Further more my clients are SME's and I develop taylor made applications
for them.
Belgian law (I believe it a European guideline) says that with Taylor
made software you are obligated to deliver the source code of your
application to the customer. So I don't see the point of protecting it
furthermore than wat you stipulate in point 1 and 3.
Only thing that a non-profesional can not change is the
splash/info/license form with wy name, logo etc on it. I would like to
protect that better, but that the only thing.


Erwin



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Several reasons:

1. Most of my clients don't need that level of security and protect
their data in other ways,

2. I have worked on several sites where the combination of mdb's secured
with multiple mdw's was a nightmare for the same people who set them up
(ie in house staff), several cases of 'lost' mdw's and I find that too
often the original system mdw's are modified (I can remember posting
problems with Access security to the list which all ended up being a
case of the client's original system.mdw having been
modified....headaches) 

3. When clients ask me (all the time) to set up security, it has mostly
been because they want to make some aspects of the system visible / not
visible to groups of users, or certain functions available / not
available to groups of users. So a homegrown system which tracks a user
group and user name has been enough for me combined with setting my
system properties before delivering the mde. It is made clear to the
client that this level of security will never prevent them from a
professional who is determined to hack in.

I'm not expert on this and I look forward to reading what the "1's"
have to say...........so many posts have been made to the list on
security that it's obviously an issue for most developers at some stage
or another.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John W. Colby 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:01 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


  Ahh.. understood.

  And why is it your choice to not use Access Security? (yes, that is a
  leading question ;-)

  John W. Colby
  www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath
Pelletti
  Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:51 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


  No - I have (years ago) trained advanced users in Access security over
and
  over again, so the basics had to become second knowledge to me.

  I was asked by a client when writing a large-ish system to
specifically use
  security so I did that. I have helped clients who have secured
databases
  with setting up shortcuts to specifically call their mdw files, as
they
  often have several mdb's secured and several mdw's. I have helped
clients
  who have corrupted their system mdw's restore them back etc etc.

  So it may take me some basic revision now that I do not use it (my
choice
  and totally my preference) but not much.

  Kath
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: John W. Colby
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:33 PM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


    Kath,

    Pardon me if I seem incredulous but you are saying that you have
used
  Access
    Security once, three years ago, but could secure a database in a few
hours
    without referencing any books or help?  Is this the same security I
am
    looking at?  Am I making it harder than it is?

    John W. Colby
    www.colbyconsulting.com

    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath
Pelletti
    Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:26 PM
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


    Yeah - I would be a 2, but unless the client specifically insists on
that
    form of security (it did happen once but 3 years ago) I use my own
login /
    security procedure.

    Kath
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Haslett, Andrew
      To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
      Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:15 PM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


      6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I  Use
MDE's
  and
      roll my own security depending on the requirements of the client.

      -----Original Message-----
      From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
      Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM
      To: AccessD
      Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


      I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access'
built-in
      security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties,
rather
  using
      workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

      Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the
following:

      1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a
  database
      down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
      2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but
it
      definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help /
books.
      3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying
project.  I
    would
      need help / books to do it again.
      4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to
shoot a
    toe
      off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get
the job
      done.  Books / help definitly needed.
      5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I
go to
    learn
      it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

      If you would please just select a number and reply I would
appreciate
  it.

      As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever
been
      willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn
/ do
  so
    I
      just never did it (for real).

      John W. Colby
      www.colbyconsulting.com




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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 13 06:40:10 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:40:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Error 3356
Message-ID: <20031113064010.1569556867.serbach@new.rr.com>

Dear Group,

One of my applications is causing a fairly consistent error:

"You attempted to open a database that is already opened exclusively by user 'Admin' on machine XXXX. Try again when the database is available."

The user on machine XXXX doesn't open the database exclusively. I've checked her Access settings under Tools | Options | Advanced. The Default Open Mode is Shared, not Exclusive.

Could you help me with this one?

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 13 06:45:57 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:45:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKIEIMHNAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

John,

  I rate a solid 2, almost straying into 1 as far as "no help / books
needed".  But as far as locking it so tight that even I can't get into it,
that's not possible as I know how to break it and I know it's not worth
bothering with it in the first place.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Nov 13 06:50:07 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:50:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Error 3356
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C936@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Is it an Access 97 database & they are opening it in A2K? I had this problem
all the time because I used 97 & when I would make changes & compile the
database, the users of 2K would get that message. They should only get the
message once, the next time they open it they won't get that message (unless
you go in & compile, etc again).

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Error 3356


Dear Group,

One of my applications is causing a fairly consistent error:

"You attempted to open a database that is already opened exclusively by user
'Admin' on machine XXXX. Try again when the database is available."

The user on machine XXXX doesn't open the database exclusively. I've checked
her Access settings under Tools | Options | Advanced. The Default Open Mode
is Shared, not Exclusive.

Could you help me with this one?

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 13 06:56:08 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:56:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DCE@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DCE@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <621575433.20031113135608@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

You can supply your app with your own mdw, say erwin.mdw. Office won't
overwrite that.
For that kind of apps we create shortcuts (menu entries) which makes
it easy for the user to open the app with the needed command line.

/gustav

> .. I want to add that a office repair each time reset or overwrites
> your MDW file). 


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Nov 13 07:19:55 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 05:19:55 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
References: <000601c3a9c6$fc7b8cc0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <003301c3a9e8$d493aae0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

It looks like the same functionality as I have now with the ADH resizing
code - dynamic control resizing.

Is there something more to it?  I'd like to get rid of the resizing
altogether.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:17 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms


> Rocky
> Is this any use to you? http://www.peterssoftware.com/ss2.htm
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > Sent: 13 November 2003 01:15
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> >
> >
> > I originally created the forms on a machine whose screen res
> > was set to 640 x 480.
> >
> > But there's got to be a way to escape from this trap without
> > re-creating the forms all over on the 600 x 800 machine.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:03 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> >
> >
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > The reason this is happening (I think) is that in order to
> > use the old
> > > ADH code (I used it myself) you had to design for the smallest
> > > resolution,
> > i.e.
> > > you manually edited the controls down to that size (or set
> > it all up
> > > actually using 640x480).  I know of nothing that will go in
> > and resize
> > > everything for you, though there may be tools like that.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > Rocky Smolin
> > > - Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:13 PM
> > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > > I have an application which I developed many years ago on a machine
> > > with a screen of resolution 640 x 480.  I used the ADH
> > resizing code
> > > so the form would fill the screen regardless of the target machine
> > > resolution.
> > >
> > > I don't use that resizing code in my apps anymore and I
> > would like to
> > > abandon that now in this app and go with a straight 800 x
> > 600 which is
> > what
> > > my screen is set to.
> > >
> > > But the 640 x 480 resolution seems to be a part of the form somehow
> > > and
> > each
> > > of the controls as well because if I copy over the controls, they
> > > don't
> > size
> > > correctly on my 800 x 600 screen.  They appear smaller as
> > they would
> > > when you put a 640x480 form or control on an 800 x 600 screen.
> > >
> > > Plus any new forms I've added to this app recently original
> > in 800 x
> > > 600
> > and
> > > that's fine.
> > >
> > > Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?
> > >
> > > MTIA,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Nov 13 07:33:37 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:33:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F87F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Count me a 4.2 (played with it briefly but know nothing about it)

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From JHewson at karta.com  Thu Nov 13 07:33:30 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:33:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <4AE733BBEEE72647A9F950F7275F262E112577@nt04.karta.com>

I'm a 4.  I tried to set security once.
Quit after an hour or so.  The help obfuscated the entire issue and the
Books didn't help either...
Actually... maybe a 4.5...

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From CSPELL at jhuccp.org  Thu Nov 13 07:40:09 2003
From: CSPELL at jhuccp.org (CYNTHIA SPELL)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:40:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <sfb34375.036@ccp2.jhuccp.org>

I guess I'm about a 3.5.  I had it ready to go at one point, but our InfoSys group decided not to let us roll it out - had some concerns over loss of the workgroup file or something....

Cindy



>>> Jdemarco at hshhp.org 11/13/03 08:33AM >>>
Count me a 4.2 (played with it briefly but know nothing about it)

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com 


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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Thu Nov 13 07:46:46 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:46:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB920@nnse14.nns.com>

4...But, without all the confidence;)

Since air-tight security has not been the highest priority in my projects,
I'm really more of a lackadaisical "6" to be honest.  



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Nov 13 07:51:10 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 05:51:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <008301c3a9ed$3254fe00$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

4.5

Had to fool with it once on a legacy app and got around it.  But it was a
big PITA.

I generally roll my own by having the user log in with a password.  They get
one of three levels of access to the whole system - 1) read only, 2)
read/write, 3) admin.  I put their access level in a global variable.  Each
form has to check the access level then to see if they are allowed to do a
certain function.  So far, the three levels have been adequate and no one
except for one client has wanted function of field level control.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:59 PM
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
> security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
> workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.
>
> Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
>
> 1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
> down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
> 2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
> definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
> 3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
would
> need help / books to do it again.
> 4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
toe
> off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
> done.  Books / help definitly needed.
> 5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
learn
> it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
>
> If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.
>
> As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
> willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so
I
> just never did it (for real).
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From jbhuffman at mdh.org  Thu Nov 13 07:51:40 2003
From: jbhuffman at mdh.org (Huffman, Jarad B.)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:51:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48026B1F74@NEWMAN_EXC>

I'd say I'm a 2-3.  My company has used Access Security since before I came
to work here 4 years ago.  However, I don't like the lack of control.  I
like to roll my own security setup.

Jarad Huffman

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 13 07:55:54 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:55:54 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <008301c3a9ed$3254fe00$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
 <008301c3a9ed$3254fe00$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <5625161300.20031113145554@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

So why is JC's world so much different from yours and mine??

/gustav


> Had to fool with it once on a legacy app and got around it.  But it was a
> big PITA.

> I generally roll my own by having the user log in with a password.  They get
> one of three levels of access to the whole system - 1) read only, 2)
> read/write, 3) admin.  I put their access level in a global variable.  Each
> form has to check the access level then to see if they are allowed to do a
> certain function.  So far, the three levels have been adequate and no one
> except for one client has wanted function of field level control.


From Sloann at cdnet.cod.edu  Thu Nov 13 07:59:05 2003
From: Sloann at cdnet.cod.edu (Sloan, Ned)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:59:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <5F72A76512A52A4EA1785F62B70D2956039E884F@mail.cod.edu>

I am rusty, but rate myself between a 2 and a 3.  We have implemented
a number of applications over the years at our institution using it 
and it has its good and its bad points, and it has limitations.    

Ned Sloan
Systems Analyst, Administrative Systems
Information Technology
College Of DuPage
425 Fawell Blvd.
Glen Ellyn, Il. 60137
(630) 942-2627
sloann at cdnet.cod.edu



-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 13 08:00:38 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:00:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <BAY2-F46uXZ2y2Fko8C0000290b@hotmail.com>

4.5  I know its there but haven't had to use it.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com

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From weeden1949 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 13 08:04:36 2003
From: weeden1949 at hotmail.com (Greg Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:04:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <BAY8-DAV10py9tMTF4i00000941@hotmail.com>

John:

I'm probably a hefty 2.  I doubt I'd need to have any books...We have one
large County (Recorder's Office) client that has the full Access security
invoked (I've done others, but not on this scale).  It's been years in the
making (was just installed about a year and a half ago and is still
working...) and it took a lot of time to get it all tweaked properly (not
Access security issues but the Client kept changing the requirements....:o).
And only ONCE did we get it locked down so well neither of us (two
programmers) could get into it.  Taa daa!  Praise the Lord for BACKUP
copies.

The security on this system works well, but one caveat, and it's probably
true with ANY type of global security, is that when you need to make
changes, additions, etc., you have to make sure that whatever it is you are
changing or adding, security must be a major part of the modification.
Since I deal with questions from this client weekly, if not daily, I get to
keep up on all their security as well...!!!

Greg Smith
weeden1949 at hotmail.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:59 PM
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
> security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
> workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.
>
> Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
>
> 1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
> down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
> 2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
> definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
> 3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
would
> need help / books to do it again.
> 4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
toe
> off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
> done.  Books / help definitly needed.
> 5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
learn
> it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
>
> If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.
>
> As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
> willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so
I
> just never did it (for real).
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Nov 13 08:08:57 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:08:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DCF@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I know...I know...
At least I supose you mean that you can give msaccess.exe an /wrkgrp
command line option.
Or use the /profile and a profile file.

I only use MDW for developing purposes indside the office and just want
it always to be my company.mdw group...

Specifying company.mdw for default gets reset to system.mdw in the user
profile folder.... Or is it in the program Files/common folder... ?

Don't bother, I just overcopy all system.mdw with company.mdw...


Erwin

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Hi Erwin

You can supply your app with your own mdw, say erwin.mdw. Office won't
overwrite that. For that kind of apps we create shortcuts (menu entries)
which makes it easy for the user to open the app with the needed command
line.

/gustav

> .. I want to add that a office repair each time reset or overwrites 
> your MDW file).

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From DElam at jenkens.com  Thu Nov 13 08:08:20 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:08:20 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C6292CC@natexch.jenkens.com>

2  

Have had a whole series of HR databases with sensitive data that needs
locked tight.  It takes me a while and I avoid it if I can.  Secured
databases are a PITA.  I inherited a database locked so tight it was darn
near impenetrable.  All of this for info that was common knowledge in the
workplace and not all that sensitive outside it.  The thing is nearly
impossible to modify or troubleshoot and I would love to give the guy that
wrote this a piece of my mind.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 13 November 2003 01:00
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From ranthony at wrsystems.com  Thu Nov 13 08:19:19 2003
From: ranthony at wrsystems.com (Randall Anthony)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:19:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <5F21A4E8B8DD734992EF9E70AC9D30641288B7@mail2.wrsystems.com>

Same here, a strong 3 to a weak 2.  I've got two apps with tight security
and 3 others without/or use SQL Server for security.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sloan, Ned [mailto:Sloann at cdnet.cod.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security

I am rusty, but rate myself between a 2 and a 3.  We have implemented
a number of applications over the years at our institution using it 
and it has its good and its bad points, and it has limitations.    

Ned Sloan
Systems Analyst, Administrative Systems
Information Technology
College Of DuPage
425 Fawell Blvd.
Glen Ellyn, Il. 60137
(630) 942-2627
sloann at cdnet.cod.edu



-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 13 08:20:38 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:20:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DCF@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DCF@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <15826645003.20031113152038@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

In my opinion it is not a good idea to have a special mdw assigned as
the default. I have a shortcut for such an Access with the wkrgrp
switch opening a secured database.

/gustav


> I know...I know...
> At least I supose you mean that you can give msaccess.exe an /wrkgrp
> command line option.
> Or use the /profile and a profile file.

> I only use MDW for developing purposes indside the office and just want
> it always to be my company.mdw group...

> Specifying company.mdw for default gets reset to system.mdw in the user
> profile folder.... Or is it in the program Files/common folder... ?

> Don't bother, I just overcopy all system.mdw with company.mdw...


> Erwin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:56 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> Hi Erwin

> You can supply your app with your own mdw, say erwin.mdw. Office won't
> overwrite that. For that kind of apps we create shortcuts (menu entries)
> which makes it easy for the user to open the app with the needed command
> line.

> /gustav

>> .. I want to add that a office repair each time reset or overwrites 
>> your MDW file).


From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 13 08:34:34 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:34:34 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Error 3356
Message-ID: <20031113083434.1892175602.serbach@new.rr.com>

Virginia,

>> Is it an Access 97 database & they are opening it in A2K? <<

No, this app was developed from the get-go in Access 2000. You've given me an idea, though. I'm using a series of routines developed by a fellow in Chile to update the application's front end on each user's workstation. I've used the code successfully in Access 97 apps. This is the only time I've used it in an Access 2K application. My client has got a knowledgable user on staff that makes updates to reports, queries and such and knows how to make an updated version for distribution on the LAN. Hmmm, I wonder if they only see this message when that gal has updated the app?

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

Disclaimer: No tree was killed in the transmission of this message. However, several coulombs of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced.


From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 13 08:37:22 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:37:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <20031113083722.1712100296.serbach@new.rr.com>

Jim,

>> But as far as locking it so tight that even I can't get into it,
that's not possible as I know how to break it and I know it's not worth
bothering with it in the first place. <<

Have you demonstrated to clients how to break the security? I wonder if that might be an effective argument for implementing Access security for one of my clients who's been curious about it. I, as a 4.5 security user, am not real excited about implementing Access security.

What would you show a client who had a bug up his rear about Access "security?"

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

Disclaimer: No tree was killed in the transmission of this message. However, several coulombs of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced.


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Nov 13 08:32:27 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:32:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<011f01c3a983$8a8de1f0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<004801c3a8d4$476bdc10$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <009901c3a9f2$f67f1810$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Tom:

This seems to be a better solution than the ADH code but I'm trying to get
rid of dynamic resizing altogether.  Any ideas on that?

Regards,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Keatley" <tomk at multiline.com.au>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms


> > > Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?
> > >
> > > MTIA,
>
> I had a need recently to change screen resolution as  most of the forms
were
> designed in 1280 x 1152 and had to display at a fixed 1024x768 so I bought
a
> code module from
>
> http://www.peterssoftware.com/ssfaq.htm
>
> It works and re-sizes the forms ...is easy to install as you just change
> OPENFORM  to I think SS_OPEN with Rich Fishers Find&REplace (or similar).
> The problem I found with the A97 version of the module was that it has
> trouble rendering the fonts correctly .... It is however still usable
...I
> was making the forms SMALLER in most cases and you will be making them
> LARGER ...so your mileage may be different
>
> Regards
>
> Tom Keatley
>
>
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Nov 13 08:40:22 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:40:22 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DD0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I believe I'm not with with you....

First, to set thing strait. It's only in our office for develepmont I'm
speaking.

Second.
You mean you have a shorcut that starts msaccess.exe with /workgroup
xxx?
Problem with that is that you need a hard path to msaccess.exe and hard
paths is something I try to avoid.
I always use roaming profiles and hard paths can problematic.
I supose solutions are out there, but I already played alot with them
and they are often OS dependent.

You know, Gustav, It's not that a big deal...
It's rarely I do a repair...

And I don't use workgroups anymore at customer sites.
I use the network user name and match them with the users in the
database (user management based on tables/forms).
If a network user is unkown in the database it exits instantly (after a
msgbox).


Erwin

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Hi Erwin

In my opinion it is not a good idea to have a special mdw assigned as
the default. I have a shortcut for such an Access with the wkrgrp switch
opening a secured database.

/gustav


> I know...I know...
> At least I supose you mean that you can give msaccess.exe an /wrkgrp 
> command line option. Or use the /profile and a profile file.

> I only use MDW for developing purposes indside the office and just 
> want it always to be my company.mdw group...

> Specifying company.mdw for default gets reset to system.mdw in the 
> user profile folder.... Or is it in the program Files/common folder...

> ?

> Don't bother, I just overcopy all system.mdw with company.mdw...


> Erwin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:56 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> Hi Erwin

> You can supply your app with your own mdw, say erwin.mdw. Office won't

> overwrite that. For that kind of apps we create shortcuts (menu 
> entries) which makes it easy for the user to open the app with the 
> needed command line.

> /gustav

>> .. I want to add that a office repair each time reset or overwrites
>> your MDW file).

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Nov 13 08:40:43 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:40:43 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<008301c3a9ed$3254fe00$6501a8c0@HAL9002> <5625161300.20031113145554@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00a501c3a9f4$1e5e8090$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Hahahahahahahahahah....sorry.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> Hi Rocky
>
> So why is JC's world so much different from yours and mine??
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Had to fool with it once on a legacy app and got around it.  But it was
a
> > big PITA.
>
> > I generally roll my own by having the user log in with a password.  They
get
> > one of three levels of access to the whole system - 1) read only, 2)
> > read/write, 3) admin.  I put their access level in a global variable.
Each
> > form has to check the access level then to see if they are allowed to do
a
> > certain function.  So far, the three levels have been adequate and no
one
> > except for one client has wanted function of field level control.
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Nov 13 08:44:46 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:44:46 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
In-Reply-To: <003301c3a9e8$d493aae0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <005c01c3a9f4$aeb30cb0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Rocky
I had something similar occur and I adapted the ADH code to do the resizing
of evey control, then passed through the forms collection, calling it to do
each form then saving it. I've been looking for the code and can't seem to
find it, but essentially that's what it did:
-loop through the forms collection
	-open each form
	-apply the resizing
	-save and close the form

I had to fiddle with the resizing ratios but once I got it working on one
form it did the trick.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 




> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: 13 November 2003 13:20
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> 
> 
> It looks like the same functionality as I have now with the 
> ADH resizing code - dynamic control resizing.
> 
> Is there something more to it?  I'd like to get rid of the 
> resizing altogether.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:17 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> 
> 
> > Rocky
> > Is this any use to you? http://www.peterssoftware.com/ss2.htm
> >
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> > > Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: 13 November 2003 01:15
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> > >
> > >
> > > I originally created the forms on a machine whose screen 
> res was set 
> > > to 640 x 480.
> > >
> > > But there's got to be a way to escape from this trap without 
> > > re-creating the forms all over on the 600 x 800 machine.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:03 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> > >
> > >
> > > > Rocky,
> > > >
> > > > The reason this is happening (I think) is that in order to
> > > use the old
> > > > ADH code (I used it myself) you had to design for the smallest 
> > > > resolution,
> > > i.e.
> > > > you manually edited the controls down to that size (or set
> > > it all up
> > > > actually using 640x480).  I know of nothing that will go in
> > > and resize
> > > > everything for you, though there may be tools like that.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > - Beach Access Software
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:13 PM
> > > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear List:
> > > >
> > > > I have an application which I developed many years ago on a 
> > > > machine with a screen of resolution 640 x 480.  I used the ADH
> > > resizing code
> > > > so the form would fill the screen regardless of the 
> target machine 
> > > > resolution.
> > > >
> > > > I don't use that resizing code in my apps anymore and I
> > > would like to
> > > > abandon that now in this app and go with a straight 800 x
> > > 600 which is
> > > what
> > > > my screen is set to.
> > > >
> > > > But the 640 x 480 resolution seems to be a part of the form 
> > > > somehow and
> > > each
> > > > of the controls as well because if I copy over the 
> controls, they 
> > > > don't
> > > size
> > > > correctly on my 800 x 600 screen.  They appear smaller as
> > > they would
> > > > when you put a 640x480 form or control on an 800 x 600 screen.
> > > >
> > > > Plus any new forms I've added to this app recently original
> > > in 800 x
> > > > 600
> > > and
> > > > that's fine.
> > > >
> > > > Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?
> > > >
> > > > MTIA,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Nov 13 08:59:26 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:59:26 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
References: <005c01c3a9f4$aeb30cb0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <00c101c3a9f6$bbd281d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Andy:

I'll give that a try.  Probably just crib the ADH code and modify.  I'll be
away 'til Sunday but I'll give it a whirl next week and let you know.

Best,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:44 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms


> Rocky
> I had something similar occur and I adapted the ADH code to do the
resizing
> of evey control, then passed through the forms collection, calling it to
do
> each form then saving it. I've been looking for the code and can't seem to
> find it, but essentially that's what it did:
> -loop through the forms collection
> -open each form
> -apply the resizing
> -save and close the form
>
> I had to fiddle with the resizing ratios but once I got it working on one
> form it did the trick.
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > Sent: 13 November 2003 13:20
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> >
> >
> > It looks like the same functionality as I have now with the
> > ADH resizing code - dynamic control resizing.
> >
> > Is there something more to it?  I'd like to get rid of the
> > resizing altogether.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:17 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> >
> >
> > > Rocky
> > > Is this any use to you? http://www.peterssoftware.com/ss2.htm
> > >
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
> > > > Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > > Sent: 13 November 2003 01:15
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I originally created the forms on a machine whose screen
> > res was set
> > > > to 640 x 480.
> > > >
> > > > But there's got to be a way to escape from this trap without
> > > > re-creating the forms all over on the 600 x 800 machine.
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:03 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Rocky,
> > > > >
> > > > > The reason this is happening (I think) is that in order to
> > > > use the old
> > > > > ADH code (I used it myself) you had to design for the smallest
> > > > > resolution,
> > > > i.e.
> > > > > you manually edited the controls down to that size (or set
> > > > it all up
> > > > > actually using 640x480).  I know of nothing that will go in
> > > > and resize
> > > > > everything for you, though there may be tools like that.
> > > > >
> > > > > John W. Colby
> > > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > > - Beach Access Software
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:13 PM
> > > > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear List:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have an application which I developed many years ago on a
> > > > > machine with a screen of resolution 640 x 480.  I used the ADH
> > > > resizing code
> > > > > so the form would fill the screen regardless of the
> > target machine
> > > > > resolution.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't use that resizing code in my apps anymore and I
> > > > would like to
> > > > > abandon that now in this app and go with a straight 800 x
> > > > 600 which is
> > > > what
> > > > > my screen is set to.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the 640 x 480 resolution seems to be a part of the form
> > > > > somehow and
> > > > each
> > > > > of the controls as well because if I copy over the
> > controls, they
> > > > > don't
> > > > size
> > > > > correctly on my 800 x 600 screen.  They appear smaller as
> > > > they would
> > > > > when you put a 640x480 form or control on an 800 x 600 screen.
> > > > >
> > > > > Plus any new forms I've added to this app recently original
> > > > in 800 x
> > > > > 600
> > > > and
> > > > > that's fine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?
> > > > >
> > > > > MTIA,
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > Website:
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 13 09:00:57 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:00:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DD0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DD0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <19429063901.20031113160057@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

> I believe I'm not with with you....

> First, to set thing strait. It's only in our office for develepmont I'm
> speaking.

Yes.

> Second.
> You mean you have a shorcut that starts msaccess.exe with /workgroup
> xxx?

Yes. As I have one for starting a decompile.

> Problem with that is that you need a hard path to msaccess.exe and hard
> paths is something I try to avoid.

No big problem here. All Access versions have remained where they were
installed - four of them for 38 months. I see no reason to move them
around.

> I always use roaming profiles and hard paths can problematic.
> I supose solutions are out there, but I already played alot with them
> and they are often OS dependent.

That's a difference. I live in a Novell environment.

> You know, Gustav, It's not that a big deal...
> It's rarely I do a repair...

I know. But you mentioned it as it could cause problems to run an
Office repair and it really shouldn't be (regarding this topic).

> And I don't use workgroups anymore at customer sites.
> I use the network user name and match them with the users in the
> database (user management based on tables/forms).
> If a network user is unkown in the database it exits instantly (after a
> msgbox).

I like that approach too. Also - as few clients have Single-Sign-On
implemented - it's a good service to the user that the app knows who
he/she is and all that is needed is nothing (in your case) or the
password only (in our case).

/gustav


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:21 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> Hi Erwin

> In my opinion it is not a good idea to have a special mdw assigned as
> the default. I have a shortcut for such an Access with the wkrgrp switch
> opening a secured database.

> /gustav


>> I know...I know...
>> At least I supose you mean that you can give msaccess.exe an /wrkgrp 
>> command line option. Or use the /profile and a profile file.

>> I only use MDW for developing purposes indside the office and just 
>> want it always to be my company.mdw group...

>> Specifying company.mdw for default gets reset to system.mdw in the 
>> user profile folder.... Or is it in the program Files/common folder...

>> ?

>> Don't bother, I just overcopy all system.mdw with company.mdw...


>> Erwin

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
>> Brock
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:56 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


>> Hi Erwin

>> You can supply your app with your own mdw, say erwin.mdw. Office won't

>> overwrite that. For that kind of apps we create shortcuts (menu 
>> entries) which makes it easy for the user to open the app with the 
>> needed command line.

>> /gustav

>>> .. I want to add that a office repair each time reset or overwrites
>>> your MDW file).


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Nov 13 09:03:19 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:03:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<008301c3a9ed$3254fe00$6501a8c0@HAL9002> <5625161300.20031113145554@cactus.dk>
	<00a501c3a9f4$1e5e8090$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <00c901c3a9f7$46fb0ca0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

But seriously there are some apps, like the HR apps (someone, I forget who,
wrote in about) where you want it real secure.

But even in that case, passwording the back end and maybe encrypting it,
with some additional restrictions in the front end like I use and then
making an mde would seem to do the trick without having to get mixed up in
all that mdw stuff.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> Hahahahahahahahahah....sorry.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> > Hi Rocky
> >
> > So why is JC's world so much different from yours and mine??
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > > Had to fool with it once on a legacy app and got around it.  But it
was
> a
> > > big PITA.
> >
> > > I generally roll my own by having the user log in with a password.
They
> get
> > > one of three levels of access to the whole system - 1) read only, 2)
> > > read/write, 3) admin.  I put their access level in a global variable.
> Each
> > > form has to check the access level then to see if they are allowed to
do
> a
> > > certain function.  So far, the three levels have been adequate and no
> one
> > > except for one client has wanted function of field level control.
> >
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Nov 13 09:14:49 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:14:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO
In-Reply-To: <005c01c3a9f4$aeb30cb0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
References: <003301c3a9e8$d493aae0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
        <005c01c3a9f4$aeb30cb0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
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hey group
Can I use string name in insert function ?
strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (strLine,rs(1),rs(2))"

it gives me an error message
...

Private Sub Command0_Click()
MsgBox ("hey")
Dim strLine As String
Dim strSQL1 As String
Dim strSQL2 As String
Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim i As Integer
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
Set db = CurrentDb

strSQL1 = "Select * From New"
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL1)


  Do Until rs.EOF
strLine = rs("FullName")
MsgBox strLine
i = InStr(strLine, " ")
If i <> 0 Then
    strLine = Left(strLine, i)
End If

rs(0) = strLine

 ' strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (strLine,rs(1),rs(2))"
  strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (rs(0),rs(1),rs(2))"
Debug.Print strSQL2

    CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL2)
    rs.MoveNext
  Loop

   MsgBox ("end")
End Sub



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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Nov 13 09:19:11 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:19:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F882@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Sure just change to read:
strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1) & ", " & rs(2)& ")"

HTH

Jim DeMarco
-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO


hey group
Can I use string name in insert function ?
strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (strLine,rs(1),rs(2))"

it gives me an error message
...

Private Sub Command0_Click()
MsgBox ("hey")
Dim strLine As String
Dim strSQL1 As String
Dim strSQL2 As String
Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim i As Integer
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
Set db = CurrentDb

strSQL1 = "Select * From New"
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL1)


  Do Until rs.EOF
strLine = rs("FullName")
MsgBox strLine
i = InStr(strLine, " ")
If i <> 0 Then
    strLine = Left(strLine, i)
End If

rs(0) = strLine

 ' strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (strLine,rs(1),rs(2))"
  strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (rs(0),rs(1),rs(2))"
Debug.Print strSQL2

    CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL2)
    rs.MoveNext
  Loop

   MsgBox ("end")
End Sub



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From askolits at ot.com  Thu Nov 13 09:24:15 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:24:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <00c901c3a9f7$46fb0ca0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFOEAADIAA.askolits@ot.com>

Jon,

6 for me.

John Skolits



From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Nov 13 09:26:17 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:26:17 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO
Message-ID: <10554536.1068737177442.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>

Just quickly off the tope of my head should the line
strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (rs(0),rs(1),rs(2))"
read                                                                                                                          strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (rs.fields(0),rs.fields(1),rs.fields(2))"

Paul Hartland



Message date : Nov 13 2003, 03:15 PM 
>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com 
To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Copy to : 
Subject : [AccessD] inserting in DAO 
hey group 
Can I use string name in insert function ? 
strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (strLine,rs(1),rs(2))" 

it gives me an error message 
... 

Private Sub Command0_Click() 
MsgBox ("hey") 
Dim strLine As String 
Dim strSQL1 As String 
Dim strSQL2 As String 
Dim db As DAO.Database 
Dim i As Integer 
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset 
Set db = CurrentDb 

strSQL1 = "Select * From New" 
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL1) 


Do Until rs.EOF 
strLine = rs("FullName") 
MsgBox strLine 
i = InStr(strLine, " ") 
If i <> 0 Then 
strLine = Left(strLine, i) 
End If 

rs(0) = strLine 

' strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (strLine,rs(1),rs(2))" 
strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (rs(0),rs(1),rs(2))" 
Debug.Print strSQL2 

CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL2) 
rs.MoveNext 
Loop 

MsgBox ("end") 
End Sub 



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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Nov 13 09:38:03 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:38:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F882@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F882@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <28674.12.3.132.98.1068737883.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

great, thank you :--)

> Sure just change to read:
> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1) &
> ", " & rs(2)& ")"
>
> HTH
>
> Jim DeMarco
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:15 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO
>
>
> hey group
> Can I use string name in insert function ?
> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (strLine,rs(1),rs(2))"
>
> it gives me an error message
> ...
>
> Private Sub Command0_Click()
> MsgBox ("hey")
> Dim strLine As String
> Dim strSQL1 As String
> Dim strSQL2 As String
> Dim db As DAO.Database
> Dim i As Integer
> Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
> Set db = CurrentDb
>
> strSQL1 = "Select * From New"
> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL1)
>
>
>   Do Until rs.EOF
> strLine = rs("FullName")
> MsgBox strLine
> i = InStr(strLine, " ")
> If i <> 0 Then
>     strLine = Left(strLine, i)
> End If
>
> rs(0) = strLine
>
>  ' strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (strLine,rs(1),rs(2))"
>   strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (rs(0),rs(1),rs(2))"
> Debug.Print strSQL2
>
>     CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL2)
>     rs.MoveNext
>   Loop
>
>    MsgBox ("end")
> End Sub
>
>
>
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Thu Nov 13 09:53:18 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:53:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000201c3a9fe$b7df2df0$6401a8c0@default>

I'm in the 3 category now.
Use it or lose it.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:59 PM
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
> security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
> workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.
>
> Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
>
> 1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
> down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
> 2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
> definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
> 3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
would
> need help / books to do it again.
> 4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
toe
> off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
> done.  Books / help definitly needed.
> 5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
learn
> it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
>
> If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.
>
> As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
> willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so
I
> just never did it (for real).
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From rjhjr at cox.net  Thu Nov 13 09:55:52 2003
From: rjhjr at cox.net (Bob Hall)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:55:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20031113155551.GB58248@kongemord.krig.net>

3

I was once a 1, and could write code off the top of my head that would 
automate any aspect of Access security, but this is not terribly useful 
information, and I've forgotten a lot of it. Given that you can buy 
shareware apps that claim to be able to pull the user and group passwords 
out of a secure database, even 3 probably represents a lot of useless 
information.

Bob Hall

From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Nov 13 09:59:48 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:59:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
In-Reply-To: <28674.12.3.132.98.1068737883.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F882@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
        <28674.12.3.132.98.1068737883.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <36753.12.3.132.98.1068739188.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

actually, not quite finished
strline field is a name field stripped of middle initial with no space
after coma, like "Bush,George". I need it to enter to an empty table.
Doesn't matter whether in one column or in 2.

however when I have 3 values (a,b,c) it tells me it not enough, when I put
4 (a,b,c,d) it tells me that number doesn't equal...


strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1) & ",
" & rs(2) & ")"
---

Private Sub Command0_Click()
MsgBox ("hey")
Dim strLine As String
Dim strSQL1 As String
Dim strSQL2 As String
Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim i As Integer
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
Set db = CurrentDb

strSQL1 = "Select * From New"
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL1)


  Do Until rs.EOF
strLine = rs("FullName")
MsgBox strLine
i = InStr(strLine, " ")
If i <> 0 Then
    strLine = Left(strLine, i)
End If

'rs(0) = strLine
strLine = FindAndReplace(CStr(strLine), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39))
strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1) & ",
" & rs(2) & ")"

 ' strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c,d) Values (rs(0),rs(1),rs(2))"
Debug.Print strSQL2

    CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL2)
    rs.MoveNext
  Loop

   MsgBox ("end")
End Sub


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 13 10:01:10 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:01:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C6292CC@natexch.jenkens.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAELOCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

This security thing can go a little overboard. If your applications have
sensitive data and provides access from the general public no one will ever
use a standard computer terminal and Access's MDB as the BE, it is just too
flaky.

SCO Unix had a 'Yellow Book' setting that when toggled basically made the
system inaccessible and consumed all the system resources monitoring every
access, every task performed and continually validated every user, again and
again. The system now became a monster to handle and even to do the simplest
of tasks, for the systems guy, could take an hour. (Everyone in that office
was delighted when the data was backed up and the server was reformatted and
the system re-installed.)

My point is, that sometimes super tight security is a waste of time. A good
talk by the office manager on how he/she will whack the first person who
screws with things, without authorization, is the best security of all.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Elam, Debbie
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


2

Have had a whole series of HR databases with sensitive data that needs
locked tight.  It takes me a while and I avoid it if I can.  Secured
databases are a PITA.  I inherited a database locked so tight it was darn
near impenetrable.  All of this for info that was common knowledge in the
workplace and not all that sensitive outside it.  The thing is nearly
impossible to modify or troubleshoot and I would love to give the guy that
wrote this a piece of my mind.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: 13 November 2003 01:00
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Nov 13 10:03:35 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:03:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DD2@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Roaming profiles sometimes do weird stuff...
Even when access is in same location.
I seen paths like "C:\Program Files\Microsoft
Office\Office10\MSACCESS.EXE" changing to
C:\Progra~1\Micros~2\Office10\MSACCESS.EXE in a sole Windows 2000 and XP
environment.

So I tend to believe there is still some code in windows that uses 8.3
naming conventions ... And this can create problems...
Because mircos~1 is not necesarily the short for Microsoft Office!! In
this case it was short for Microsoft Intellipoint because I installed
the mouse driver before Office.

Same thing with the default workgroup file its always system.mdw (the
localdisk one) and when using profiles in this or that situation it
sometimes changes to system1.mdw and creates it without asking.

But indeed /wrkgrp should solve this.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 4:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)


Hi Erwin

> I believe I'm not with with you....

> First, to set thing strait. It's only in our office for develepmont 
> I'm speaking.

Yes.

> Second.
> You mean you have a shorcut that starts msaccess.exe with /workgroup 
> xxx?

Yes. As I have one for starting a decompile.

> Problem with that is that you need a hard path to msaccess.exe and 
> hard paths is something I try to avoid.

No big problem here. All Access versions have remained where they were
installed - four of them for 38 months. I see no reason to move them
around.

> I always use roaming profiles and hard paths can problematic. I supose

> solutions are out there, but I already played alot with them and they 
> are often OS dependent.

That's a difference. I live in a Novell environment.

> You know, Gustav, It's not that a big deal...
> It's rarely I do a repair...

I know. But you mentioned it as it could cause problems to run an Office
repair and it really shouldn't be (regarding this topic).

> And I don't use workgroups anymore at customer sites.
> I use the network user name and match them with the users in the 
> database (user management based on tables/forms). If a network user is

> unkown in the database it exits instantly (after a msgbox).

I like that approach too. Also - as few clients have Single-Sign-On
implemented - it's a good service to the user that the app knows who
he/she is and all that is needed is nothing (in your case) or the
password only (in our case).

/gustav


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:21 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> Hi Erwin

> In my opinion it is not a good idea to have a special mdw assigned as 
> the default. I have a shortcut for such an Access with the wkrgrp 
> switch opening a secured database.

> /gustav


>> I know...I know...
>> At least I supose you mean that you can give msaccess.exe an /wrkgrp
>> command line option. Or use the /profile and a profile file.

>> I only use MDW for developing purposes indside the office and just
>> want it always to be my company.mdw group...

>> Specifying company.mdw for default gets reset to system.mdw in the
>> user profile folder.... Or is it in the program Files/common
folder...

>> ?

>> Don't bother, I just overcopy all system.mdw with company.mdw...


>> Erwin

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
>> Brock
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:56 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


>> Hi Erwin

>> You can supply your app with your own mdw, say erwin.mdw. Office
won't

>> overwrite that. For that kind of apps we create shortcuts (menu 
>> entries) which makes it easy for the user to open the app with the 
>> needed command line.

>> /gustav

>>> .. I want to add that a office repair each time reset or overwrites
>>> your MDW file).

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Nov 13 10:05:47 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:05:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F883@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Oleg,

Add this line of code after it to see what your SQL string looks like.
Debug.Print strSQL2

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)


actually, not quite finished
strline field is a name field stripped of middle initial with no space
after coma, like "Bush,George". I need it to enter to an empty table.
Doesn't matter whether in one column or in 2.

however when I have 3 values (a,b,c) it tells me it not enough, when I put
4 (a,b,c,d) it tells me that number doesn't equal...


strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1) & ",
" & rs(2) & ")"
---

Private Sub Command0_Click()
MsgBox ("hey")
Dim strLine As String
Dim strSQL1 As String
Dim strSQL2 As String
Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim i As Integer
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
Set db = CurrentDb

strSQL1 = "Select * From New"
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL1)


  Do Until rs.EOF
strLine = rs("FullName")
MsgBox strLine
i = InStr(strLine, " ")
If i <> 0 Then
    strLine = Left(strLine, i)
End If

'rs(0) = strLine
strLine = FindAndReplace(CStr(strLine), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39))
strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1) & ",
" & rs(2) & ")"

 ' strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c,d) Values (rs(0),rs(1),rs(2))"
Debug.Print strSQL2

    CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL2)
    rs.MoveNext
  Loop

   MsgBox ("end")
End Sub


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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Thu Nov 13 10:04:33 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:04:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <BAY8-DAV10py9tMTF4i00000941@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHKEMDEPAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

I'm a 4.5.

Know what it is and have played with it, but don't have the slightest
interest in using it.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com




From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 13 10:08:40 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:08:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <20031113083722.1712100296.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKEEJJHNAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Steve,

 <<Have you demonstrated to clients how to break the security? >>

  No as there is no need.  I simply show them the results of a google search
for cracking tools, mention that even Microsoft will tell you how if hard
pressed, and even if someone wanted to go the semi-legitimate route and pay
$45 or so, they can get at anything they want.

<<What would you show a client who had a bug up his rear about Access
"security?">>

  A. If they want security, use another product.
  B. If they still want me to do it, it's going to cost them lots both in
initial effort and maintaining it.

  B *always* wins<g>

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Jim,

>> But as far as locking it so tight that even I can't get into it,
that's not possible as I know how to break it and I know it's not worth
bothering with it in the first place. <<

Have you demonstrated to clients how to break the security? I wonder if that
might be an effective argument for implementing Access security for one of
my clients who's been curious about it. I, as a 4.5 security user, am not
real excited about implementing Access security.

What would you show a client who had a bug up his rear about Access
"security?"

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov 13 10:12:15 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:12:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAELOCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <00df01c3aa00$ea9ee670$210110ac@SUSANONE>

> My point is, that sometimes super tight security is a waste of time. A
good
> talk by the office manager on how he/she will whack the first person who
> screws with things, without authorization, is the best security of all.

=======Which is fine if they're all behaving themselves. What about the
disgruntled employee or the occasional hacker? Access security is good for
providing only the data necessary to authorized users, but I don't think
it's meant to keep out the malicious folks. Hope I'm not speaking out of
turn, only margininally following the thread.

I don't fall into any of JC's categories because I know how to implement
security, but I don't. Unfortunately, that means if I needed to I would do
so with a great deal of discretion and a stack of documentation, just in
case. There are lots of topics that benefit from actual hands on experience
and this is one of them. I can glean all the "bad news" and "watch for's"
from the experts and write a terrific article, and I'd benefit myself during
the implementation process -- but there's still something about "doing"
that's missing from "knowing how." That's why you'll find all my articles on
this topic are pretty much basic tutorial -- I wouldn't want to suggest an
expertise (that can only come from hands on experience) that I just don't
have.

If Martin hasn't responded, he's probably a .5. :)

Susan H.


From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Nov 13 10:14:14 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:14:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F883@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F883@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <42760.12.3.132.98.1068740054.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

here's both occurunces; neithe works (?)

INSERT into Neww(a,b,c,d) Values (Aber,Doris , *, *)
INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (Aber,Doris , *, *)

> Oleg,
>
> Add this line of code after it to see what your SQL string looks like.
> Debug.Print strSQL2
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:00 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
>
>
> actually, not quite finished
> strline field is a name field stripped of middle initial with no space
> after coma, like "Bush,George". I need it to enter to an empty table.
> Doesn't matter whether in one column or in 2.
>
> however when I have 3 values (a,b,c) it tells me it not enough, when I
> put 4 (a,b,c,d) it tells me that number doesn't equal...
>
>
> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1) &
> ", " & rs(2) & ")"
> ---
>
> Private Sub Command0_Click()
> MsgBox ("hey")
> Dim strLine As String
> Dim strSQL1 As String
> Dim strSQL2 As String
> Dim db As DAO.Database
> Dim i As Integer
> Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
> Set db = CurrentDb
>
> strSQL1 = "Select * From New"
> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL1)
>
>
>   Do Until rs.EOF
> strLine = rs("FullName")
> MsgBox strLine
> i = InStr(strLine, " ")
> If i <> 0 Then
>     strLine = Left(strLine, i)
> End If
>
> 'rs(0) = strLine
> strLine = FindAndReplace(CStr(strLine), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39))
> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1) &
> ", " & rs(2) & ")"
>
>  ' strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c,d) Values (rs(0),rs(1),rs(2))"
> Debug.Print strSQL2
>
>     CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL2)
>     rs.MoveNext
>   Loop
>
>    MsgBox ("end")
> End Sub
>
>
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Nov 13 10:15:33 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:15:33 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAELOCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
	<00df01c3aa00$ea9ee670$210110ac@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <014601c3aa01$5d8e6c50$9111758f@aine>

I know its there and what it for and at a push I could do it but have never
done so.

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> > My point is, that sometimes super tight security is a waste of time. A
> good
> > talk by the office manager on how he/she will whack the first person who
> > screws with things, without authorization, is the best security of all.
>
> =======Which is fine if they're all behaving themselves. What about the
> disgruntled employee or the occasional hacker? Access security is good for
> providing only the data necessary to authorized users, but I don't think
> it's meant to keep out the malicious folks. Hope I'm not speaking out of
> turn, only margininally following the thread.
>
> I don't fall into any of JC's categories because I know how to implement
> security, but I don't. Unfortunately, that means if I needed to I would do
> so with a great deal of discretion and a stack of documentation, just in
> case. There are lots of topics that benefit from actual hands on
experience
> and this is one of them. I can glean all the "bad news" and "watch for's"
> from the experts and write a terrific article, and I'd benefit myself
during
> the implementation process -- but there's still something about "doing"
> that's missing from "knowing how." That's why you'll find all my articles
on
> this topic are pretty much basic tutorial -- I wouldn't want to suggest an
> expertise (that can only come from hands on experience) that I just don't
> have.
>
> If Martin hasn't responded, he's probably a .5. :)
>
> Susan H.
>
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov 13 10:22:57 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:22:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: 	<NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAELOCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca><00df01c3aa00$ea9ee670$210110ac@SUSANONE>
	<014601c3aa01$5d8e6c50$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <010501c3aa02$85b00df0$210110ac@SUSANONE>

I'm shocked... truly shocked... and here I labeled you a .5 ;) Ah well...

Susan H.


> I know its there and what it for and at a push I could do it but have
never
> done so.
>
> Martin
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 4:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> > > My point is, that sometimes super tight security is a waste of time. A
> > good
> > > talk by the office manager on how he/she will whack the first person
who
> > > screws with things, without authorization, is the best security of
all.
> >
> > =======Which is fine if they're all behaving themselves. What about the
> > disgruntled employee or the occasional hacker? Access security is good
for
> > providing only the data necessary to authorized users, but I don't think
> > it's meant to keep out the malicious folks. Hope I'm not speaking out of
> > turn, only margininally following the thread.
> >
> > I don't fall into any of JC's categories because I know how to implement
> > security, but I don't. Unfortunately, that means if I needed to I would
do
> > so with a great deal of discretion and a stack of documentation, just in
> > case. There are lots of topics that benefit from actual hands on
> experience
> > and this is one of them. I can glean all the "bad news" and "watch
for's"
> > from the experts and write a terrific article, and I'd benefit myself
> during
> > the implementation process -- but there's still something about "doing"
> > that's missing from "knowing how." That's why you'll find all my
articles
> on
> > this topic are pretty much basic tutorial -- I wouldn't want to suggest
an
> > expertise (that can only come from hands on experience) that I just
don't
> > have.
> >
> > If Martin hasn't responded, he's probably a .5. :)
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Thu Nov 13 10:29:09 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:29:09 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3FB3B155.90307@verizon.net>

I am between 1 and 2, in that I don't NEED the docs but I DO like to reference them just as my own personal double check, the way I look at it is, nobody's perfect so a quick reference helps assure me that all is done well.  additionally there's NO WAY I can lock myself out of the database because I always create 2 MDW's, I haven't done security for and MDW for a while now tho (about maybe a year).  

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.

-- 

-Francisco


John W. Colby wrote:

>I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
>security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
>workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.
>
>Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
>
>1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
>down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
>2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
>definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
>3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
>need help / books to do it again.
>4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
>off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
>done.  Books / help definitly needed.
>5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
>it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
>
>If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.
>
>As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
>willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
>just never did it (for real).
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>  
>


From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Nov 13 10:25:12 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:25:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F887@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

OK.  You have to wrap each string value in single quotes.

Now your code will look like this:
strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values ('" & strLine & "', '" & rs(1) & "', '" & rs(2) & "')"

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)


here's both occurunces; neithe works (?)

INSERT into Neww(a,b,c,d) Values (Aber,Doris , *, *)
INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (Aber,Doris , *, *)

> Oleg,
>
> Add this line of code after it to see what your SQL string looks like.
> Debug.Print strSQL2
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:00 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
>
>
> actually, not quite finished
> strline field is a name field stripped of middle initial with no space
> after coma, like "Bush,George". I need it to enter to an empty table.
> Doesn't matter whether in one column or in 2.
>
> however when I have 3 values (a,b,c) it tells me it not enough, when I
> put 4 (a,b,c,d) it tells me that number doesn't equal...
>
>
> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1) &
> ", " & rs(2) & ")"
> ---
>
> Private Sub Command0_Click()
> MsgBox ("hey")
> Dim strLine As String
> Dim strSQL1 As String
> Dim strSQL2 As String
> Dim db As DAO.Database
> Dim i As Integer
> Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
> Set db = CurrentDb
>
> strSQL1 = "Select * From New"
> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL1)
>
>
>   Do Until rs.EOF
> strLine = rs("FullName")
> MsgBox strLine
> i = InStr(strLine, " ")
> If i <> 0 Then
>     strLine = Left(strLine, i)
> End If
>
> 'rs(0) = strLine
> strLine = FindAndReplace(CStr(strLine), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39))
> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1) &
> ", " & rs(2) & ")"
>
>  ' strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c,d) Values (rs(0),rs(1),rs(2))"
> Debug.Print strSQL2
>
>     CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL2)
>     rs.MoveNext
>   Loop
>
>    MsgBox ("end")
> End Sub
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Nov 13 10:28:56 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:28:56 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAELOCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMEAHENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Jim,
I'll bet you can't write about "SCO Unix" on too many lists anymore without
getting flamed!
:o)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> (AccessD)
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:01 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> Hi All:
>
> This security thing can go a little overboard. If your applications have
> sensitive data and provides access from the general public no one
> will ever
> use a standard computer terminal and Access's MDB as the BE, it
> is just too
> flaky.
>
> SCO Unix had a 'Yellow Book' setting that when toggled basically made the
> system inaccessible and consumed all the system resources monitoring every
> access, every task performed and continually validated every
> user, again and
> again. The system now became a monster to handle and even to do
> the simplest
> of tasks, for the systems guy, could take an hour. (Everyone in
> that office
> was delighted when the data was backed up and the server was
> reformatted and
> the system re-installed.)
>
> My point is, that sometimes super tight security is a waste of
> time. A good
> talk by the office manager on how he/she will whack the first person who
> screws with things, without authorization, is the best security of all.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Elam, Debbie
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:08 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> 2
>
> Have had a whole series of HR databases with sensitive data that needs
> locked tight.  It takes me a while and I avoid it if I can.  Secured
> databases are a PITA.  I inherited a database locked so tight it was darn
> near impenetrable.  All of this for info that was common knowledge in the
> workplace and not all that sensitive outside it.  The thing is nearly
> impossible to modify or troubleshoot and I would love to give the guy that
> wrote this a piece of my mind.
>
> Debbie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: 13 November 2003 01:00
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
> security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
> workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.
>
> Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
>
> 1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
> down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
> 2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
> definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
> 3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying
> project.  I would
> need help / books to do it again.
> 4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to
> shoot a toe
> off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
> done.  Books / help definitly needed.
> 5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I
> go to learn
> it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
>
> If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.
>
> As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
> willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn
> / do so I
> just never did it (for real).
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Nov 13 10:31:35 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:31:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
In-Reply-To: <42760.12.3.132.98.1068740054.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <001001c3aa03$9af18850$7001a8c0@COA3>

You need single quotes around the text values:
 strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values ('" & strLine & "', '" &
rs(1) 
 & "', '" & rs(2) & "')"


Steve



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)


here's both occurunces; neithe works (?)

INSERT into Neww(a,b,c,d) Values (Aber,Doris , *, *)
INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (Aber,Doris , *, *)

> Oleg,
>
> Add this line of code after it to see what your SQL string looks like.

> Debug.Print strSQL2
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:00 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
>
>
> actually, not quite finished
> strline field is a name field stripped of middle initial with no space

> after coma, like "Bush,George". I need it to enter to an empty table. 
> Doesn't matter whether in one column or in 2.
>
> however when I have 3 values (a,b,c) it tells me it not enough, when I

> put 4 (a,b,c,d) it tells me that number doesn't equal...
>
>
> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1) 
> & ", " & rs(2) & ")"
> ---
>
> Private Sub Command0_Click()
> MsgBox ("hey")
> Dim strLine As String
> Dim strSQL1 As String
> Dim strSQL2 As String
> Dim db As DAO.Database
> Dim i As Integer
> Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
> Set db = CurrentDb
>
> strSQL1 = "Select * From New"
> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL1)
>
>
>   Do Until rs.EOF
> strLine = rs("FullName")
> MsgBox strLine
> i = InStr(strLine, " ")
> If i <> 0 Then
>     strLine = Left(strLine, i)
> End If
>
> 'rs(0) = strLine
> strLine = FindAndReplace(CStr(strLine), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39)) 
> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1) 
> & ", " & rs(2) & ")"
>
>  ' strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c,d) Values (rs(0),rs(1),rs(2))" 
> Debug.Print strSQL2
>
>     CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL2)
>     rs.MoveNext
>   Loop
>
>    MsgBox ("end")
> End Sub
>
>
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Nov 13 10:31:55 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:31:55 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: 	<NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAELOCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca><00df01c3aa00$ea9ee670$210110ac@SUSANONE><014601c3aa01$5d8e6c50$9111758f@aine>
	<010501c3aa02$85b00df0$210110ac@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <01b801c3aa03$a6982b00$9111758f@aine>

LOL

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> I'm shocked... truly shocked... and here I labeled you a .5 ;) Ah well...
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > I know its there and what it for and at a push I could do it but have
> never
> > done so.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 4:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> >
> >
> > > > My point is, that sometimes super tight security is a waste of time.
A
> > > good
> > > > talk by the office manager on how he/she will whack the first person
> who
> > > > screws with things, without authorization, is the best security of
> all.
> > >
> > > =======Which is fine if they're all behaving themselves. What about
the
> > > disgruntled employee or the occasional hacker? Access security is good
> for
> > > providing only the data necessary to authorized users, but I don't
think
> > > it's meant to keep out the malicious folks. Hope I'm not speaking out
of
> > > turn, only margininally following the thread.
> > >
> > > I don't fall into any of JC's categories because I know how to
implement
> > > security, but I don't. Unfortunately, that means if I needed to I
would
> do
> > > so with a great deal of discretion and a stack of documentation, just
in
> > > case. There are lots of topics that benefit from actual hands on
> > experience
> > > and this is one of them. I can glean all the "bad news" and "watch
> for's"
> > > from the experts and write a terrific article, and I'd benefit myself
> > during
> > > the implementation process -- but there's still something about
"doing"
> > > that's missing from "knowing how." That's why you'll find all my
> articles
> > on
> > > this topic are pretty much basic tutorial -- I wouldn't want to
suggest
> an
> > > expertise (that can only come from hands on experience) that I just
> don't
> > > have.
> > >
> > > If Martin hasn't responded, he's probably a .5. :)
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 13 10:32:28 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:32:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631243A@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Make me a 1.5.  We use it all the time in our apps and I've had the
experience in the past of locking one of my own apps down so tight I
couldn't get back in.  Fortunately, I had a backup ... And installed a
backdoor  using a command line argument after that. <G>  I see no reason
to reinvent security on my own when MS has provided an acceptable method
already.  Is it totally secure?  No, is anything?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather
using workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a
database down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books
needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
would need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the
job done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
learn it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate
it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do
so I just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Nov 13 10:36:32 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:36:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F887@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F887@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <50424.12.3.132.98.1068741392.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

oh.. I was trying cStr each of them.. Thanks a lot

> OK.  You have to wrap each string value in single quotes.
>
> Now your code will look like this:
> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values ('" & strLine & "', '" & rs(1)
> & "', '" & rs(2) & "')"
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:14 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
>
>
> here's both occurunces; neithe works (?)
>
> INSERT into Neww(a,b,c,d) Values (Aber,Doris , *, *)
> INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (Aber,Doris , *, *)
>
>> Oleg,
>>
>> Add this line of code after it to see what your SQL string looks like.
>> Debug.Print strSQL2
>>
>> Jim DeMarco
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:00 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: RE: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
>>
>>
>> actually, not quite finished
>> strline field is a name field stripped of middle initial with no space
>> after coma, like "Bush,George". I need it to enter to an empty table.
>> Doesn't matter whether in one column or in 2.
>>
>> however when I have 3 values (a,b,c) it tells me it not enough, when I
>> put 4 (a,b,c,d) it tells me that number doesn't equal...
>>
>>
>> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1)
>> & ", " & rs(2) & ")"
>> ---
>>
>> Private Sub Command0_Click()
>> MsgBox ("hey")
>> Dim strLine As String
>> Dim strSQL1 As String
>> Dim strSQL2 As String
>> Dim db As DAO.Database
>> Dim i As Integer
>> Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
>> Set db = CurrentDb
>>
>> strSQL1 = "Select * From New"
>> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL1)
>>
>>
>>   Do Until rs.EOF
>> strLine = rs("FullName")
>> MsgBox strLine
>> i = InStr(strLine, " ")
>> If i <> 0 Then
>>     strLine = Left(strLine, i)
>> End If
>>
>> 'rs(0) = strLine
>> strLine = FindAndReplace(CStr(strLine), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39))
>> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1)
>> & ", " & rs(2) & ")"
>>
>>  ' strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c,d) Values (rs(0),rs(1),rs(2))"
>> Debug.Print strSQL2
>>
>>     CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL2)
>>     rs.MoveNext
>>   Loop
>>
>>    MsgBox ("end")
>> End Sub
>>
>>
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Nov 13 10:36:57 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:36:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
In-Reply-To: <001001c3aa03$9af18850$7001a8c0@COA3>
References: <42760.12.3.132.98.1068740054.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
        <001001c3aa03$9af18850$7001a8c0@COA3>
Message-ID: <50424.12.3.132.98.1068741417.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

thanks Steve, already done

> You need single quotes around the text values:
>  strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values ('" & strLine & "', '" &
> rs(1)
>  & "', '" & rs(2) & "')"
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:14 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
>
>
> here's both occurunces; neithe works (?)
>
> INSERT into Neww(a,b,c,d) Values (Aber,Doris , *, *)
> INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (Aber,Doris , *, *)
>
>> Oleg,
>>
>> Add this line of code after it to see what your SQL string looks like.
>
>> Debug.Print strSQL2
>>
>> Jim DeMarco
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:00 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: RE: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
>>
>>
>> actually, not quite finished
>> strline field is a name field stripped of middle initial with no space
>
>> after coma, like "Bush,George". I need it to enter to an empty table.
>> Doesn't matter whether in one column or in 2.
>>
>> however when I have 3 values (a,b,c) it tells me it not enough, when I
>
>> put 4 (a,b,c,d) it tells me that number doesn't equal...
>>
>>
>> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1)
>> & ", " & rs(2) & ")"
>> ---
>>
>> Private Sub Command0_Click()
>> MsgBox ("hey")
>> Dim strLine As String
>> Dim strSQL1 As String
>> Dim strSQL2 As String
>> Dim db As DAO.Database
>> Dim i As Integer
>> Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
>> Set db = CurrentDb
>>
>> strSQL1 = "Select * From New"
>> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL1)
>>
>>
>>   Do Until rs.EOF
>> strLine = rs("FullName")
>> MsgBox strLine
>> i = InStr(strLine, " ")
>> If i <> 0 Then
>>     strLine = Left(strLine, i)
>> End If
>>
>> 'rs(0) = strLine
>> strLine = FindAndReplace(CStr(strLine), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39))
>> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1)
>> & ", " & rs(2) & ")"
>>
>>  ' strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c,d) Values (rs(0),rs(1),rs(2))"
>> Debug.Print strSQL2
>>
>>     CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL2)
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>>   Loop
>>
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Thu Nov 13 10:45:13 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:45:13 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <22380264.1068715936355.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>
References: <22380264.1068715936355.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>
Message-ID: <3FB3B519.7020809@verizon.net>

On the Access-L list they used to say:
Read the Security FAQ, read it again, until you think you've got it, and 
once you're sure, you read it again for good measure. ;)

this was true when I got started, and as a guide I have always re-read 
it before diving into security even tho I've learned most of the steps.

-- 
-Francisco


paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:

>Is there a category for knowing that access has built in security, has tried to get it to work, has never got it to work, and has given up on it unless I get a brainwave and step-by-step idiots guide on it.
>Paul Hartland
>
>
>
>Message date : Nov 13 2003, 09:27 AM 
>>From : Roz Clarke 
>To : 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
>Copy to : 
>Subject : RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security 
>I guess I fit in this category as well as #3 
>
>:) 
>
>Roz 
>
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
>Sent: 13 November 2003 09:21 
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security 
>
>
>Snap. Put me in Andrew's no 6 category. See, we even roll-our-own 
>categories. 
>
>Andy Lacey 
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>>Haslett, Andrew 
>>Sent: 13 November 2003 01:16 
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security 
>>
>>
>>6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I 
>>Use MDE's and roll my own security depending on the 
>>requirements of the client. 
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
>>Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM 
>>To: AccessD 
>>Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security 
>>
>>
>>I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' 
>>built-in security. By security I do NOT mean the database 
>>properties, rather using workgroups / users to secure forms, 
>>tables, queries etc. 
>>
>>Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following: 
>>
>>1) I am an Access security guru. I can quickly and easily 
>>lock a database down so tight I can't even get back in. No 
>>help / books needed. 
>>2) I am fluent with Access security. I can get the job done 
>>but it definitely takes a few hours. I probably won't need 
>>the help / books. 
>>3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying 
>>project. I would need help / books to do it again. 
>>4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed 
>>to shoot a toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am 
>>confident I could get the job done. Books / help definitly needed. 
>>5) Access has built in security? What is this and where 
>>would I go to learn it? Why haven't I ever seen these books / help? 
>>
>>If you would please just select a number and reply I would 
>>appreciate it. 
>>
>>As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4. No client has 
>>ever been willing to pay for it and I have always had other 
>>things to learn / do so I just never did it (for real). 
>>
>>John W. Colby 
>>www.colbyconsulting.com 
>>
>>
>>    
>>


From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov 13 10:44:20 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:44:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631243A@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <012a01c3aa05$6df902e0$210110ac@SUSANONE>

 Is it totally secure?  No, is anything?

=============A drooling doberman with big teeth chained to the keyboard
might do just as well. :)

Susan H.


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 13 11:01:05 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:01:05 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631243C@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

LOL  I had a drooling doberman with big teeth!  She was a total pushover
even though she weighed 85 pounds. <G>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


 Is it totally secure?  No, is anything?

=============A drooling doberman with big teeth chained to the keyboard
might do just as well. :)

Susan H.

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From Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov  Thu Nov 13 10:48:39 2003
From: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov (Stoker, Kenneth E)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:48:39 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <249C1CB246997C48BB74963CCD361C1B014A0258@pnlmse28.pnl.gov>

Put me in at 3.

Ken Stoker
Technology Commercialization
Information Systems Administrator
PH: (509) 375-3758
FAX: (509) 375-6731
E-mail:  Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov 


-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I  Use MDE's
and roll my own security depending on the requirements of the client.

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather
using workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a
database down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books
needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
would need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the
job done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
learn it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate
it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do
so I just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From pjewett at bayplace.com  Thu Nov 13 12:16:14 2003
From: pjewett at bayplace.com (Phil Jewett)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:16:14 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] RE: SQL trusted connection problem - solution
Message-ID: <D3C4180250579C42A9C6A5A199772138068B5E@comet.home.bayplace.com>

All:
Solution was provided by Jim Lawrence, which is to add the following
register key to the client XP if not already present:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\MSSQLSERVER\Client\ConnectTo]"MyS
erve
r"="DBNMPNTW,MyServer"

I don't think I made it obvious from my initial post that the problem of
the connection attempting a trusted connection occurs only on Windows XP
boxes - the mdb works fine on 98 and 2000.

FYI, the SQL Server is set up as mixed mode and the connection is done
through a connection string, it being:

"ODBC;DRIVER={SQL
Server};SERVER=pluto;UID=cds;PWD=xxxxx;DATABASE=Coupons;"

and relinking the tables through the usual table loop:
DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", myODBCConnectionString,
acTable, rs(0), rs(0)

By the way, my original post was double posted because I got a reply
from postman at magicialdesk.com (whoever that is!) saying the mail was
undeliverable because the mailbox was full.  So I reposted a little
while later.  But it turned out that the initial post went through
anyway.

Thanks to all.

Phil Jewett


From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Nov 13 12:23:10 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:23:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3069621F@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAFFB@ADGSERVER>

And put me as a 3.

Bobby


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Nov 13 12:40:22 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:40:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227564@main2.marlow.com>

What do you mean Darren.  Do you mean like setting permissions, creating
users and groups, changing passwords, etc?  Or simply logging into a secured
database?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:48 PM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser


Hello all
I have a Web Developer friend asking me if anyone knows of some useful
URL's that will show how to or give examples of administering Access
security via a browser.

She has Access Security implemented and can administer it fine from the
local PC via the
'normal' means, she just wants to do it via the web 

Many thanks in advance

Darren


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Nov 13 12:41:57 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:41:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227565@main2.marlow.com>

1, pretty confident on that too...with the exception of the can't get back
in part. I find it quick and easy to use, and lock everything down, but I
always leave myself a way in.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Nov 13 12:45:19 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:45:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227566@main2.marlow.com>

Another clarification on my 1 position.  That is for Access 97.  I must
admit to have only built one 2000 db with Access User Level security.  But
97 I can do in my sleep.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


>M$'s main DB security is lack of supplied information.

ROTFL.

And I intentionally called mine Light Weight Security precisely to avoid any
expectations that it would lock down a database against someone like
yourself.

I have discovered that:

There are hackers out there that can take down Fort Knox.  If you are
worried about them Access is not your tool.
99.9% of the day to day damage is done by innocent users doing things they
shouldn't be allowed to do.
99.9% of that damage is easily prevented using something waaaaaaay less
obtuse than Access security.

Funny but true story.  I had a user who had apparently taken a class
somewhere.  She told me one day that she had attempted to make a change to
one of my tables but that she couldn't make the change stick.  She was
attempting to MODIFY a field in a LINKED table.  She did not even understand
what a linked table was, nor where the real data was.

It never occurred to me that a user would even attempt to modify a table of
a database that was company property and over which she had no design
authority.  She was just a user!

No harm was done of course, but I had to have a heart to heart with her as
to what her job was.

And of course, if the company allows it (and this one doesn't) simply
setting the database properties would keep such inexpert busy fingers out of
the pie.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Hi John:

Odd questions but I would rate myself as a 4, the other stuff I have samples
on but would have to dig for the answers. The ultimate security is simply to
go to any SQL server, as far as I am concerned. MDB security is too fragile
and hackable. A couple of years back I had to hack a few, think it was two
or three, MDBs that were supposedly secure, so the client could work on the
tables after the initial programmers had disappeared. Cracked them all...and
I would not consider myself a whiz at that stuff, it was just that MS MDB
security is a little weak.

M$'s main DB security is lack of supplied information.

My two cents worth
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Nov 13 12:50:56 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:50:56 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227567@main2.marlow.com>

Personally, my favorite setup is to use the system.mdw for users, and an
'admin' .mdw for development/maintenance.  That way, the only 'special'
shortcuts I need is for administrators of the database.  Of course that
method only works if you can clump all of the 'users' in one pile.  If the
users need to be split up by their capabilities, you can't use that method.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)


I believe I'm not with with you....

First, to set thing strait. It's only in our office for develepmont I'm
speaking.

Second.
You mean you have a shorcut that starts msaccess.exe with /workgroup
xxx?
Problem with that is that you need a hard path to msaccess.exe and hard
paths is something I try to avoid.
I always use roaming profiles and hard paths can problematic.
I supose solutions are out there, but I already played alot with them
and they are often OS dependent.

You know, Gustav, It's not that a big deal...
It's rarely I do a repair...

And I don't use workgroups anymore at customer sites.
I use the network user name and match them with the users in the
database (user management based on tables/forms).
If a network user is unkown in the database it exits instantly (after a
msgbox).


Erwin

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Hi Erwin

In my opinion it is not a good idea to have a special mdw assigned as
the default. I have a shortcut for such an Access with the wkrgrp switch
opening a secured database.

/gustav


> I know...I know...
> At least I supose you mean that you can give msaccess.exe an /wrkgrp 
> command line option. Or use the /profile and a profile file.

> I only use MDW for developing purposes indside the office and just 
> want it always to be my company.mdw group...

> Specifying company.mdw for default gets reset to system.mdw in the 
> user profile folder.... Or is it in the program Files/common folder...

> ?

> Don't bother, I just overcopy all system.mdw with company.mdw...


> Erwin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:56 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> Hi Erwin

> You can supply your app with your own mdw, say erwin.mdw. Office won't

> overwrite that. For that kind of apps we create shortcuts (menu 
> entries) which makes it easy for the user to open the app with the 
> needed command line.

> /gustav

>> .. I want to add that a office repair each time reset or overwrites
>> your MDW file).

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Nov 13 12:56:17 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:56:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227568@main2.marlow.com>

Actually, an .mdb can be made VERY secure by using ASP as a front end.  The
problem with using Access or even VB for a front end, is that you need to
have direct access to the back end.  So if user XYZ is logged on, XYZ needs
permission to have direct Access to the .mdb AND the .mdw.  However, if you
use ASP as the Front End, so the user is using their browser to access the
db, then the users can be completely stripped of access to the .mdb itself.
In fact, if you store the .mdb on the IIS server, and you don't even have to
have share access to it.  Sure, you're then relying on NT security, but you
can button that down pretty tight.  So you can keep the .mdb and the .mdw at
an 'unavailable' location.  

I've used Access User Level security quite a bit, I don't find it difficult
at all (partly due to so many similarities between it and NT security).
However, it is a pretty fallible system.  With enough time and resources,
and it can be cracked.  Actually for $40 (last time I checked), you can
crack any .mdb, as long as you have a copy of the .mdw with the
administrative accounts in it.  Even with a solid knowledge of Access User
Level security, you are still dependant upon the users ignorance for it to
be secure.  With what I was talking about with an ASP front end, you are
taking the level of security to a point where a SERIOUS hacker would be
required to get at whatever you want protected.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


But seriously there are some apps, like the HR apps (someone, I forget who,
wrote in about) where you want it real secure.

But even in that case, passwording the back end and maybe encrypting it,
with some additional restrictions in the front end like I use and then
making an mde would seem to do the trick without having to get mixed up in
all that mdw stuff.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> Hahahahahahahahahah....sorry.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> > Hi Rocky
> >
> > So why is JC's world so much different from yours and mine??
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > > Had to fool with it once on a legacy app and got around it.  But it
was
> a
> > > big PITA.
> >
> > > I generally roll my own by having the user log in with a password.
They
> get
> > > one of three levels of access to the whole system - 1) read only, 2)
> > > read/write, 3) admin.  I put their access level in a global variable.
> Each
> > > form has to check the access level then to see if they are allowed to
do
> a
> > > certain function.  So far, the three levels have been adequate and no
> one
> > > except for one client has wanted function of field level control.
> >
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Thu Nov 13 13:14:12 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:14:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227567@main2.marlow.com>
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227567@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <3FB3D804.3050807@verizon.net>

<shaking head in disbelief>  No no no no no.... the system.mdw SHOULD NEVER BE TOUCHED.  This is just bad practice... while it makes it incredibly convenient for a one database solution, when you begin adding new databases they automatically go and seek the permissions from the system.mdw, therefore all settings in that db are inherently applied to the new databases.

Again this is all fine if you're doing this to one database for one organization and even while you're the current developer.  But what happens when a new guy takes over or if you are given an mdb for another database.  You'll see weird errors that you wouldn't should you not have messed w/ the original System.mdw.  Additionally other developers following the Security FAQ will develop against their copy of the mdw.  

Of course I know you're the main / only? developer for access apps w/ your organization.  But things can not always be so smooth.


-- 
-Francisco


Drew Wutka wrote:

>Personally, my favorite setup is to use the system.mdw for users, and an
>'admin' .mdw for development/maintenance.  That way, the only 'special'
>shortcuts I need is for administrators of the database.  Of course that
>method only works if you can clump all of the 'users' in one pile.  If the
>users need to be split up by their capabilities, you can't use that method.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
>Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:40 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)
>
>
>I believe I'm not with with you....
>
>First, to set thing strait. It's only in our office for develepmont I'm
>speaking.
>
>Second.
>You mean you have a shorcut that starts msaccess.exe with /workgroup
>xxx?
>Problem with that is that you need a hard path to msaccess.exe and hard
>paths is something I try to avoid.
>I always use roaming profiles and hard paths can problematic.
>I supose solutions are out there, but I already played alot with them
>and they are often OS dependent.
>
>You know, Gustav, It's not that a big deal...
>It's rarely I do a repair...
>
>And I don't use workgroups anymore at customer sites.
>I use the network user name and match them with the users in the
>database (user management based on tables/forms).
>If a network user is unkown in the database it exits instantly (after a
>msgbox).
>
>
>Erwin
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:21 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
>Hi Erwin
>
>In my opinion it is not a good idea to have a special mdw assigned as
>the default. I have a shortcut for such an Access with the wkrgrp switch
>opening a secured database.
>
>/gustav
>
>
>  
>
>>I know...I know...
>>At least I supose you mean that you can give msaccess.exe an /wrkgrp 
>>command line option. Or use the /profile and a profile file.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>I only use MDW for developing purposes indside the office and just 
>>want it always to be my company.mdw group...
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Specifying company.mdw for default gets reset to system.mdw in the 
>>user profile folder.... Or is it in the program Files/common folder...
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>?
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Don't bother, I just overcopy all system.mdw with company.mdw...
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>
>>Erwin
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
>>Brock
>>Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:56 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>
>>Hi Erwin
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>You can supply your app with your own mdw, say erwin.mdw. Office won't
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>overwrite that. For that kind of apps we create shortcuts (menu 
>>entries) which makes it easy for the user to open the app with the 
>>needed command line.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>/gustav
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>>.. I want to add that a office repair each time reset or overwrites
>>>your MDW file).
>>>      
>>>



From rmoore at comtechpst.com  Thu Nov 13 13:16:54 2003
From: rmoore at comtechpst.com (Ron Moore)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:16:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <003701c3aa1a$b5bb52d0$3c549da6@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>

I'm a 3 and regret it.  Adding new users/groups during normal working
hours is almost impossible!  Need exclusive log in and have to bump
everyone out.  Not a good thing.  Running to the books/help is not a
good thing when upper management wants something quick.

Ron



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather
using workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a
database down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books
needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
would need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the
job done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
learn it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate
it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do
so I just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From tomk at multiline.com.au  Wed Nov 12 14:18:09 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:18:09 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
References: 	<DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com><011f01c3a983$8a8de1f0$6501a8c0@HAL9002><004801c3a8d4$476bdc10$0300a8c0@print>
	<009901c3a9f2$f67f1810$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <00a701c3a95a$18129e50$0300a8c0@print>

> This seems to be a better solution than the ADH code but I'm trying to get
> rid of dynamic resizing altogether.  Any ideas on that?
> Regards,
> Rocky

I must admit that I was dissapointed  with the results from that module and
resolved to go through slowly over a period of time and Re-size my forms
manually .....BUT we are talking some HUNDREDS of forms and I would prefer a
better way ....

It occurs to me that this is an ongoing problem for ANYONE who designs
software and rarely do you come accross sizing problems in shareware or
commercial apps so there must be other alternatives.

I will do some more "digging"on the subject ....maybe there are a range of
API's we can access

regards
Tom Keatley


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Nov 13 14:43:26 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:43:26 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222756B@main2.marlow.com>

I didn't say I touched the system.mdw.  I just said I used it.  The
permissions for each object in the database is stored in the .mdb.
Therefore, I strip the Admin account of all permissions except those that a
normal user would have.  I then have An Admin account (and usually an Admin
Group) of my own making, that have all permissions setup.  

That way, when a user opens the .mdb, they are automatically logged in as
Admin, with a blank password, against whatever is setup as their current
.mdw. (which in most cases is System.mdw).  They get no login, they require
no special setup, and they only have generic user permissions.

This works quite well in tandem with NT security, because NT security can
then be used to only allow specific NT users to access an .mdb at all, so
anyone with NT access automatically has generic user capabilities.  To have
more capabilities, then another .mdw is required.

I also use the exact same User Account for my personal account, so it
doesn't matter what .mdb I am working on, I can actually use any of the
.mdw's out there, to get admin access.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)


<shaking head in disbelief>  No no no no no.... the system.mdw SHOULD NEVER
BE TOUCHED.  This is just bad practice... while it makes it incredibly
convenient for a one database solution, when you begin adding new databases
they automatically go and seek the permissions from the system.mdw,
therefore all settings in that db are inherently applied to the new
databases.

Again this is all fine if you're doing this to one database for one
organization and even while you're the current developer.  But what happens
when a new guy takes over or if you are given an mdb for another database.
You'll see weird errors that you wouldn't should you not have messed w/ the
original System.mdw.  Additionally other developers following the Security
FAQ will develop against their copy of the mdw.  

Of course I know you're the main / only? developer for access apps w/ your
organization.  But things can not always be so smooth.


-- 
-Francisco


Drew Wutka wrote:

>Personally, my favorite setup is to use the system.mdw for users, and an
>'admin' .mdw for development/maintenance.  That way, the only 'special'
>shortcuts I need is for administrators of the database.  Of course that
>method only works if you can clump all of the 'users' in one pile.  If the
>users need to be split up by their capabilities, you can't use that method.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
>Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:40 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)
>
>
>I believe I'm not with with you....
>
>First, to set thing strait. It's only in our office for develepmont I'm
>speaking.
>
>Second.
>You mean you have a shorcut that starts msaccess.exe with /workgroup
>xxx?
>Problem with that is that you need a hard path to msaccess.exe and hard
>paths is something I try to avoid.
>I always use roaming profiles and hard paths can problematic.
>I supose solutions are out there, but I already played alot with them
>and they are often OS dependent.
>
>You know, Gustav, It's not that a big deal...
>It's rarely I do a repair...
>
>And I don't use workgroups anymore at customer sites.
>I use the network user name and match them with the users in the
>database (user management based on tables/forms).
>If a network user is unkown in the database it exits instantly (after a
>msgbox).
>
>
>Erwin
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:21 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
>Hi Erwin
>
>In my opinion it is not a good idea to have a special mdw assigned as
>the default. I have a shortcut for such an Access with the wkrgrp switch
>opening a secured database.
>
>/gustav
>
>
>  
>
>>I know...I know...
>>At least I supose you mean that you can give msaccess.exe an /wrkgrp 
>>command line option. Or use the /profile and a profile file.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>I only use MDW for developing purposes indside the office and just 
>>want it always to be my company.mdw group...
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Specifying company.mdw for default gets reset to system.mdw in the 
>>user profile folder.... Or is it in the program Files/common folder...
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>?
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Don't bother, I just overcopy all system.mdw with company.mdw...
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>
>>Erwin
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
>>Brock
>>Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:56 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>
>>Hi Erwin
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>You can supply your app with your own mdw, say erwin.mdw. Office won't
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>overwrite that. For that kind of apps we create shortcuts (menu 
>>entries) which makes it easy for the user to open the app with the 
>>needed command line.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>/gustav
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>>.. I want to add that a office repair each time reset or overwrites
>>>your MDW file).
>>>      
>>>


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 13 14:53:32 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:53:32 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631243D@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

The security works the same in later versions.  The biggest difference
is that in 2002, you have the ability to join a workgroup from the
security menu instead of having to run the workgroup administrator.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Another clarification on my 1 position.  That is for Access 97.  I must
admit to have only built one 2000 db with Access User Level security.
But 97 I can do in my sleep.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


>M$'s main DB security is lack of supplied information.

ROTFL.

And I intentionally called mine Light Weight Security precisely to avoid
any expectations that it would lock down a database against someone like
yourself.

I have discovered that:

There are hackers out there that can take down Fort Knox.  If you are
worried about them Access is not your tool. 99.9% of the day to day
damage is done by innocent users doing things they shouldn't be allowed
to do. 99.9% of that damage is easily prevented using something
waaaaaaay less obtuse than Access security.

Funny but true story.  I had a user who had apparently taken a class
somewhere.  She told me one day that she had attempted to make a change
to one of my tables but that she couldn't make the change stick.  She
was attempting to MODIFY a field in a LINKED table.  She did not even
understand what a linked table was, nor where the real data was.

It never occurred to me that a user would even attempt to modify a table
of a database that was company property and over which she had no design
authority.  She was just a user!

No harm was done of course, but I had to have a heart to heart with her
as to what her job was.

And of course, if the company allows it (and this one doesn't) simply
setting the database properties would keep such inexpert busy fingers
out of the pie.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Hi John:

Odd questions but I would rate myself as a 4, the other stuff I have
samples on but would have to dig for the answers. The ultimate security
is simply to go to any SQL server, as far as I am concerned. MDB
security is too fragile and hackable. A couple of years back I had to
hack a few, think it was two or three, MDBs that were supposedly secure,
so the client could work on the tables after the initial programmers had
disappeared. Cracked them all...and I would not consider myself a whiz
at that stuff, it was just that MS MDB security is a little weak.

M$'s main DB security is lack of supplied information.

My two cents worth
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather
using workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a
database down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books
needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
would need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the
job done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
learn it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate
it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do
so I just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Nov 13 15:31:54 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:31:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222756D@main2.marlow.com>

You're right.  Just starting my first cup of coffee this morning.  Was
thinking about the differenc between 97 and 2000 when it came to record
locking and for some reason was thinking that there was more detail in User
Level security.  Like I said, I've built 1 secured A2k db.  I personally
can't stand A2k, the only perk I have found that I like is VBA 6, which lets
me do customized events....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 2:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


The security works the same in later versions.  The biggest difference
is that in 2002, you have the ability to join a workgroup from the
security menu instead of having to run the workgroup administrator.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Another clarification on my 1 position.  That is for Access 97.  I must
admit to have only built one 2000 db with Access User Level security.
But 97 I can do in my sleep.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


>M$'s main DB security is lack of supplied information.

ROTFL.

And I intentionally called mine Light Weight Security precisely to avoid
any expectations that it would lock down a database against someone like
yourself.

I have discovered that:

There are hackers out there that can take down Fort Knox.  If you are
worried about them Access is not your tool. 99.9% of the day to day
damage is done by innocent users doing things they shouldn't be allowed
to do. 99.9% of that damage is easily prevented using something
waaaaaaay less obtuse than Access security.

Funny but true story.  I had a user who had apparently taken a class
somewhere.  She told me one day that she had attempted to make a change
to one of my tables but that she couldn't make the change stick.  She
was attempting to MODIFY a field in a LINKED table.  She did not even
understand what a linked table was, nor where the real data was.

It never occurred to me that a user would even attempt to modify a table
of a database that was company property and over which she had no design
authority.  She was just a user!

No harm was done of course, but I had to have a heart to heart with her
as to what her job was.

And of course, if the company allows it (and this one doesn't) simply
setting the database properties would keep such inexpert busy fingers
out of the pie.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Hi John:

Odd questions but I would rate myself as a 4, the other stuff I have
samples on but would have to dig for the answers. The ultimate security
is simply to go to any SQL server, as far as I am concerned. MDB
security is too fragile and hackable. A couple of years back I had to
hack a few, think it was two or three, MDBs that were supposedly secure,
so the client could work on the tables after the initial programmers had
disappeared. Cracked them all...and I would not consider myself a whiz
at that stuff, it was just that MS MDB security is a little weak.

M$'s main DB security is lack of supplied information.

My two cents worth
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather
using workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a
database down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books
needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
would need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the
job done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
learn it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate
it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do
so I just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 13 15:45:52 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:45:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <003701c3aa1a$b5bb52d0$3c549da6@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>
Message-ID: <3FB3FB90.9060604@shaw.ca>

For those who are shocked, truely shocked. Try some of these versus your 
locked down mdbs
 From Serge Gavrilov
http://accesstools.narod.ru/index.html

 You might as well know about these. Some of them are useful. especially 
on messed up security.

Ron Moore wrote:

>I'm a 3 and regret it.  Adding new users/groups during normal working
>hours is almost impossible!  Need exclusive log in and have to bump
>everyone out.  Not a good thing.  Running to the books/help is not a
>good thing when upper management wants something quick.
>
>Ron
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
>Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:00 PM
>To: AccessD
>Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
>I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
>security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather
>using workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.
>
>Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
>
>1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a
>database down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books
>needed.
>2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
>definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
>3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
>would need help / books to do it again.
>4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
>toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the
>job done.  Books / help definitly needed.
>5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
>learn it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
>
>If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate
>it.
>
>As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
>willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do
>so I just never did it (for real).
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Thu Nov 13 17:20:29 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:20:29 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227564@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <004001c3aa3c$ba60eda0$fabb9a89@DDICK>

Hi Drew 
Thanks for the reply
I mean setting permissions, creating users and groups, changing passwords, etc,
as you suggested.

Basically she would like interfacing with Access Security and totally managing, at every
level via a browser, whatever you can manage whilst sitting directly in from of the System.mdw file

In relation to John Colby's Poll on Access Security I am a 14. Never touched the stuff and
am vaguely aware that it exists. So if it seems I am asking the impossible because I don't know
any better it's because...I don't know any better :-))

Many thanks for the reply

Darren


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 5:40 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser


> What do you mean Darren.  Do you mean like setting permissions, creating
> users and groups, changing passwords, etc?  Or simply logging into a secured
> database?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:48 PM
> To: AccessD List
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser
> 
> 
> Hello all
> I have a Web Developer friend asking me if anyone knows of some useful
> URL's that will show how to or give examples of administering Access
> security via a browser.
> 
> She has Access Security implemented and can administer it fine from the
> local PC via the
> 'normal' means, she just wants to do it via the web 
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Darren
> 
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Thu Nov 13 19:35:19 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:35:19 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
Message-ID: <012f01c3aa4f$913ce010$fabb9a89@DDICK>

Hello all
Is there a way to determine the current sub name once you are in it then display it
Is there a Current Sub Property? etc

eg  (PSEUDO Code)
Private Sub MySub()
Msgbox "My Sub Name is " & Application.SubName
End sub

Many thanks in advance

Darren


From accma at sympatico.ca  Thu Nov 13 20:55:44 2003
From: accma at sympatico.ca (Annie Courchesne, cma)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:55:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K developer
Message-ID: <KDEJKGIHACGNMDOBHMICEEEPFGAA.accma@sympatico.ca>

Hi guys,

It?s been a while since I?ve posted here


A customer of mine as asked that I convert an A2K database to a A2K runtime
so he doesn?t have to buy 20+ licences of A2K.  I?m trying to find a A2K
developer (or Office 2K developer I think) so I can do this but my usual
software provider doesn?t have it.  Anyone as any idea where I could get
that.

Thanks a lot!


Annie Courchesne, CMA


From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Thu Nov 13 20:40:37 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:40:37 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F29088507@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Darren

A common way to do this (this means I saw a guru do it so I copied him <g>) relies on inserting in each module at initial design time the following line of code:

Private Const thisModuleName As String = "basWhatever"

Not very swept up sorry!

Stephen Bond



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> Sent: Friday, 14 November 2003 2:35 p.m.
> To: AccessD List
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
> 
> 
> Hello all
> Is there a way to determine the current sub name once you are 
> in it then display it
> Is there a Current Sub Property? etc
> 
> eg  (PSEUDO Code)
> Private Sub MySub()
> Msgbox "My Sub Name is " & Application.SubName
> End sub
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Darren
> 
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Thu Nov 13 20:45:30 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:45:30 +1300
Subject: FW: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F29088508@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Which means is that you would have to put the line in each SUB.   Not very elegant, what?

Stephen

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Bond 
> Sent: Friday, 14 November 2003 3:41 p.m.
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
> 
> 
> Darren
> 
> A common way to do this (this means I saw a guru do it so I 
> copied him <g>) relies on inserting in each module at initial 
> design time the following line of code:
> 
> Private Const thisModuleName As String = "basWhatever"
> 
> Not very swept up sorry!
> 
> Stephen Bond
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> > Sent: Friday, 14 November 2003 2:35 p.m.
> > To: AccessD List
> > Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
> > 
> > 
> > Hello all
> > Is there a way to determine the current sub name once you are 
> > in it then display it
> > Is there a Current Sub Property? etc
> > 
> > eg  (PSEUDO Code)
> > Private Sub MySub()
> > Msgbox "My Sub Name is " & Application.SubName
> > End sub
> > 
> > Many thanks in advance
> > 
> > Darren
> > 
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 

From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Thu Nov 13 21:49:12 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:49:12 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K developer
References: <KDEJKGIHACGNMDOBHMICEEEPFGAA.accma@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <001101c3aa62$44bbef70$6401a8c0@user>

Hi Annie - have you tried Ebay?

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Annie Courchesne, cma 
  To: Accessd 
  Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 1:55 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] A2K developer


  Hi guys,

  It's been a while since I've posted here.

  A customer of mine as asked that I convert an A2K database to a A2K runtime
  so he doesn't have to buy 20+ licences of A2K.  I'm trying to find a A2K
  developer (or Office 2K developer I think) so I can do this but my usual
  software provider doesn't have it.  Anyone as any idea where I could get
  that.

  Thanks a lot!


  Annie Courchesne, CMA

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 13 21:56:57 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:56:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMEAHENAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMEMHCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

OT

John,

I will have you know that I was a fully certified SCO reseller and trainer,
at one time. Mind you that was almost fifteen years ago and I having a tough
time setting up Samba on an old beater-box using 5.2 Red Hat linux. Do you
have a 5.2 pre-built floating around that you would like to send me?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Hi Jim,
I'll bet you can't write about "SCO Unix" on too many lists anymore without
getting flamed!
:o)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> (AccessD)
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:01 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> Hi All:
>
> This security thing can go a little overboard. If your applications have
> sensitive data and provides access from the general public no one
> will ever
> use a standard computer terminal and Access's MDB as the BE, it
> is just too
> flaky.
>
> SCO Unix had a 'Yellow Book' setting that when toggled basically made the
> system inaccessible and consumed all the system resources monitoring every
> access, every task performed and continually validated every
> user, again and
> again. The system now became a monster to handle and even to do
> the simplest
> of tasks, for the systems guy, could take an hour. (Everyone in
> that office
> was delighted when the data was backed up and the server was
> reformatted and
> the system re-installed.)
>
> My point is, that sometimes super tight security is a waste of
> time. A good
> talk by the office manager on how he/she will whack the first person who
> screws with things, without authorization, is the best security of all.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Elam, Debbie
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:08 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> 2
>
> Have had a whole series of HR databases with sensitive data that needs
> locked tight.  It takes me a while and I avoid it if I can.  Secured
> databases are a PITA.  I inherited a database locked so tight it was darn
> near impenetrable.  All of this for info that was common knowledge in the
> workplace and not all that sensitive outside it.  The thing is nearly
> impossible to modify or troubleshoot and I would love to give the guy that
> wrote this a piece of my mind.
>
> Debbie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: 13 November 2003 01:00
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
> security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
> workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.
>
> Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
>
> 1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
> down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
> 2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
> definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
> 3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying
> project.  I would
> need help / books to do it again.
> 4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to
> shoot a toe
> off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
> done.  Books / help definitly needed.
> 5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I
> go to learn
> it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
>
> If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.
>
> As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
> willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn
> / do so I
> just never did it (for real).
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 13 22:05:06 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:05:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227568@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFCEMICPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Drew:

That is the whole issue surround Access security, is that a fully exposed
MDB is very hackable. If the DB can be hidden behind a ASP FE or simply
replaced with another remote BE, some other SQL, the whole security issue is
non-starter and hardly has to be addresses at all.

In my humble opinion.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Actually, an .mdb can be made VERY secure by using ASP as a front end.  The
problem with using Access or even VB for a front end, is that you need to
have direct access to the back end.  So if user XYZ is logged on, XYZ needs
permission to have direct Access to the .mdb AND the .mdw.  However, if you
use ASP as the Front End, so the user is using their browser to access the
db, then the users can be completely stripped of access to the .mdb itself.
In fact, if you store the .mdb on the IIS server, and you don't even have to
have share access to it.  Sure, you're then relying on NT security, but you
can button that down pretty tight.  So you can keep the .mdb and the .mdw at
an 'unavailable' location.

I've used Access User Level security quite a bit, I don't find it difficult
at all (partly due to so many similarities between it and NT security).
However, it is a pretty fallible system.  With enough time and resources,
and it can be cracked.  Actually for $40 (last time I checked), you can
crack any .mdb, as long as you have a copy of the .mdw with the
administrative accounts in it.  Even with a solid knowledge of Access User
Level security, you are still dependant upon the users ignorance for it to
be secure.  With what I was talking about with an ASP front end, you are
taking the level of security to a point where a SERIOUS hacker would be
required to get at whatever you want protected.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


But seriously there are some apps, like the HR apps (someone, I forget who,
wrote in about) where you want it real secure.

But even in that case, passwording the back end and maybe encrypting it,
with some additional restrictions in the front end like I use and then
making an mde would seem to do the trick without having to get mixed up in
all that mdw stuff.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> Hahahahahahahahahah....sorry.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> > Hi Rocky
> >
> > So why is JC's world so much different from yours and mine??
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > > Had to fool with it once on a legacy app and got around it.  But it
was
> a
> > > big PITA.
> >
> > > I generally roll my own by having the user log in with a password.
They
> get
> > > one of three levels of access to the whole system - 1) read only, 2)
> > > read/write, 3) admin.  I put their access level in a global variable.
> Each
> > > form has to check the access level then to see if they are allowed to
do
> a
> > > certain function.  So far, the three levels have been adequate and no
> one
> > > except for one client has wanted function of field level control.
> >
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Thu Nov 13 22:21:32 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:51:32 +1030
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A548@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Don't know of any inbuilt function, but another (painful) workaround..

Since you must know the name when you call it, I guess you could include an
'optional' parameter in each sub you are using and calling it this way..

*********************************
Call MySub('MySub')
*********************************

Then for your actual Sub:

*********************************
Sub MySub (Optional myName as string)

     Debug.Print ("My name is " & myName)

End Sub
*********************************

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
Sent: Friday, 14 November 2003 1:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name


Darren

A common way to do this (this means I saw a guru do it so I copied him <g>)
relies on inserting in each module at initial design time the following line
of code:

Private Const thisModuleName As String = "basWhatever"

Not very swept up sorry!

Stephen Bond



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> Sent: Friday, 14 November 2003 2:35 p.m.
> To: AccessD List
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
> 
> 
> Hello all
> Is there a way to determine the current sub name once you are 
> in it then display it
> Is there a Current Sub Property? etc
> 
> eg  (PSEUDO Code)
> Private Sub MySub()
> Msgbox "My Sub Name is " & Application.SubName
> End sub
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Darren
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov 13 22:23:43 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:23:43 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
In-Reply-To: <012f01c3aa4f$913ce010$fabb9a89@DDICK>
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I doubt it very much (unless you embed the name in a string). Once the 
code is compiled, the name is no longer there, just a pointer to a code 
location.


On 14 Nov 2003 at 12:35, Darren DICK wrote:

> Hello all
> Is there a way to determine the current sub name once you are in it then display it
> Is there a Current Sub Property? etc
> 
> eg  (PSEUDO Code)
> Private Sub MySub()
> Msgbox "My Sub Name is " & Application.SubName
> End sub
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Darren
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Nov 13 23:04:19 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:04:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMEMHCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEFBFFAA.john@winhaven.net>

Jim,
Oh sure. I'll send it right over. I installed it duel boot on my UnixWare
machine.
<BIG GRIN>
NOT

I used to be a SysAdmin for AT&T Unix version 3.2.(something or or other)
and then had to move to UnixWare version 4? (IIRC-whatever version it was
the first version of Novell "UnixWare"). "THAT was sure a good idea on their
part" <smirking cynically> I would have loved an SCO system! I tried really
hard to get one but just couldn't swing it. And I didn't have the hardware
for Sun (pre-Solaris).
I actually came into the NT world because when we were starting our GIS
pilot project and we wanted it to be hosted on Unixware so I would admin
everything the same. Funny thing is we couldn't find one that would run on
UnixWare so we went with Intergraph (who had their own Unix called Clipper).
The project finally got approved and right about then Intergraph made this
wild leap into porting everything to Windows NT and we had to go with it.
They were the first really big company to support NT and they suffered for
it for a long time. NT 3.1 and even 3.5 were pretty horrible. NT 3.51 was
really the first stable version of the product IMHO. But even then you had
to deal with the horrible Windows 3.1 GUI. NT 4 was a slice of heaven! I
actually ran my GIS Pilot project on NT 3.51, NT 4 with the attribute data
held in an Informix SE v5 RDBMS on UnixWare. Nobody could believe it worked.
I do believe it was the only configuration like that in the world-ever :o)
We used to tell Intergraph Support (the local Intergraph guys idea) that it
was an SCO box and just make little changes here and there where things were
different between UnixWare and SCO. Never had any data loss and other than
the initial connection time (about a minute) it ran as fast as anything I've
ever worked on. I did that (UnixWare-SysAdmin/NT-Admin/RDBMS-Admin/GIS Pilot
Project Manager) for 4 years. Plus I supported all of the dept.
desktops/programs and three CADD stations. Never a dull moment. I don't
think I ever listed that all before. No wonder I got burned out and can't
remember anything anymore! BTW what were we discussing?

John B.
"slap-happy tired"

http://www.w2knews.com/rd/rd.cfm?id=031110FA-Inner_Geek

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> (AccessD)
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:57 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> OT
>
> John,
>
> I will have you know that I was a fully certified SCO reseller
> and trainer,
> at one time. Mind you that was almost fifteen years ago and I
> having a tough
> time setting up Samba on an old beater-box using 5.2 Red Hat linux. Do you
> have a 5.2 pre-built floating around that you would like to send me?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:29 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> Hi Jim,
> I'll bet you can't write about "SCO Unix" on too many lists
> anymore without
> getting flamed!
> :o)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> > (AccessD)
> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:01 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> >
> >
> > Hi All:
> >
> > This security thing can go a little overboard. If your applications have
> > sensitive data and provides access from the general public no one
> > will ever
> > use a standard computer terminal and Access's MDB as the BE, it
> > is just too
> > flaky.
> >
> > SCO Unix had a 'Yellow Book' setting that when toggled
> basically made the
> > system inaccessible and consumed all the system resources
> monitoring every
> > access, every task performed and continually validated every
> > user, again and
> > again. The system now became a monster to handle and even to do
> > the simplest
> > of tasks, for the systems guy, could take an hour. (Everyone in
> > that office
> > was delighted when the data was backed up and the server was
> > reformatted and
> > the system re-installed.)
> >
> > My point is, that sometimes super tight security is a waste of
> > time. A good
> > talk by the office manager on how he/she will whack the first person who
> > screws with things, without authorization, is the best security of all.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Elam, Debbie
> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:08 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> >
> >
> > 2
> >
> > Have had a whole series of HR databases with sensitive data that needs
> > locked tight.  It takes me a while and I avoid it if I can.  Secured
> > databases are a PITA.  I inherited a database locked so tight
> it was darn
> > near impenetrable.  All of this for info that was common
> knowledge in the
> > workplace and not all that sensitive outside it.  The thing is nearly
> > impossible to modify or troubleshoot and I would love to give
> the guy that
> > wrote this a piece of my mind.
> >
> > Debbie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> > Sent: 13 November 2003 01:00
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> >
> >
> > I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
> > security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties,
> rather using
> > workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.
> >
> > Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
> >
> > 1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock
> a database
> > down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
> > 2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
> > definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
> > 3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying
> > project.  I would
> > need help / books to do it again.
> > 4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to
> > shoot a toe
> > off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
> > done.  Books / help definitly needed.
> > 5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I
> > go to learn
> > it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
> >
> > If you would please just select a number and reply I would
> appreciate it.
> >
> > As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
> > willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn
> > / do so I
> > just never did it (for real).
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 13 23:07:30 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:07:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
In-Reply-To: <012f01c3aa4f$913ce010$fabb9a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEOOFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Darren,

The VBEErrorHandler error handler wizard can do this for you but as everyone
else is stating, it isn't pretty.  There seems to be simply no way to just
"know" the function name, no variable you can go to etc.  Ken Gets et al
(ADH) uses two classes, one that holds info about the current sub and
another that holds a collection of those classes.

IOW, code is inserted in each function which instantiates a class on entry
and tears it down on exit.  These are stored in a collection.  What this
gives you is a very slick call path, i.e. how did I get here?  Or that's the
theory anyway.  Given the asynchronous nature of Access, with code running
and then the user clicking on things, email being received and firing
outlook events etc. I think this whole concept could get confusing real
fast.

But it exists if you want to look at it.  Go to DatabaseAdvisors.com and go
to the downloads. http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.htm

click VBErrorHandler and install it.  I use it daily for my error handlers
anyway, the call stack tracing is just a little bonus I threw in when I
specifically needed it once.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:35 PM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name


Hello all
Is there a way to determine the current sub name once you are in it then
display it
Is there a Current Sub Property? etc

eg  (PSEUDO Code)
Private Sub MySub()
Msgbox "My Sub Name is " & Application.SubName
End sub

Many thanks in advance

Darren

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Nov 14 01:39:21 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:39:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DD3@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I conclude.
(at client locations).

The user managment is insufficient from the workgrou file anyway.
Where you gnna put other data , like first, last, Dateinservice, direct
e-mail, private address, native language, date of birth.

I find for user management U most forget the workgroup and create your
own.
I don't have any form level security in my apps (next to a common
password for some functions) but that would be probably something I
goooing to be needing one day.

Erwin


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Francisco H Tapia
Verzonden: donderdag 13 november 2003 20:14
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)


<shaking head in disbelief>  No no no no no.... the system.mdw SHOULD
NEVER BE TOUCHED.  This is just bad practice... while it makes it
incredibly convenient for a one database solution, when you begin adding
new databases they automatically go and seek the permissions from the
system.mdw, therefore all settings in that db are inherently applied to
the new databases.

Again this is all fine if you're doing this to one database for one
organization and even while you're the current developer.  But what
happens when a new guy takes over or if you are given an mdb for another
database.  You'll see weird errors that you wouldn't should you not have
messed w/ the original System.mdw.  Additionally other developers
following the Security FAQ will develop against their copy of the mdw.  

Of course I know you're the main / only? developer for access apps w/
your organization.  But things can not always be so smooth.


-- 
-Francisco


Drew Wutka wrote:

>Personally, my favorite setup is to use the system.mdw for users, and 
>an 'admin' .mdw for development/maintenance.  That way, the only 
>'special' shortcuts I need is for administrators of the database.  Of 
>course that method only works if you can clump all of the 'users' in 
>one pile.  If the users need to be split up by their capabilities, you 
>can't use that method.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
>Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:40 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)
>
>
>I believe I'm not with with you....
>
>First, to set thing strait. It's only in our office for develepmont I'm

>speaking.
>
>Second.
>You mean you have a shorcut that starts msaccess.exe with /workgroup 
>xxx? Problem with that is that you need a hard path to msaccess.exe and

>hard paths is something I try to avoid.
>I always use roaming profiles and hard paths can problematic.
>I supose solutions are out there, but I already played alot with them
>and they are often OS dependent.
>
>You know, Gustav, It's not that a big deal...
>It's rarely I do a repair...
>
>And I don't use workgroups anymore at customer sites.
>I use the network user name and match them with the users in the 
>database (user management based on tables/forms). If a network user is 
>unkown in the database it exits instantly (after a msgbox).
>
>
>Erwin
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:21 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
>Hi Erwin
>
>In my opinion it is not a good idea to have a special mdw assigned as 
>the default. I have a shortcut for such an Access with the wkrgrp 
>switch opening a secured database.
>
>/gustav
>
>
>  
>
>>I know...I know...
>>At least I supose you mean that you can give msaccess.exe an /wrkgrp
>>command line option. Or use the /profile and a profile file.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>I only use MDW for developing purposes indside the office and just
>>want it always to be my company.mdw group...
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Specifying company.mdw for default gets reset to system.mdw in the
>>user profile folder.... Or is it in the program Files/common folder...
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>?
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Don't bother, I just overcopy all system.mdw with company.mdw...
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>
>>Erwin
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
>>Brock
>>Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:56 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>
>>Hi Erwin
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>You can supply your app with your own mdw, say erwin.mdw. Office won't
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>overwrite that. For that kind of apps we create shortcuts (menu
>>entries) which makes it easy for the user to open the app with the 
>>needed command line.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>/gustav
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>>.. I want to add that a office repair each time reset or overwrites 
>>>your MDW file).
>>>      
>>>


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Nov 14 01:42:54 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:42:54 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF7246@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I believe not...

Erwin

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Darren DICK
Verzonden: vrijdag 14 november 2003 2:35
Aan: AccessD List
Onderwerp: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name


Hello all
Is there a way to determine the current sub name once you are in it then
display it Is there a Current Sub Property? etc

eg  (PSEUDO Code)
Private Sub MySub()
Msgbox "My Sub Name is " & Application.SubName
End sub

Many thanks in advance

Darren

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 14 02:15:09 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:15:09 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
In-Reply-To: <012f01c3aa4f$913ce010$fabb9a89@DDICK>
References: <012f01c3aa4f$913ce010$fabb9a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <1621596745.20031114091509@cactus.dk>

Hi Darren

At least you can retrieve the name of the module ...:

<code>

Public Sub ModuleName()

  Dim strModuleName  As String
  
  On Error Resume Next
  strModuleName = Null
  strModuleName = Err.Source
  
  MsgBox strModuleName
  
End Sub

</code>

/gustav


> Is there a way to determine the current sub name once you are in it then display it
> Is there a Current Sub Property? etc

> eg  (PSEUDO Code)
> Private Sub MySub()
> Msgbox "My Sub Name is " & Application.SubName
> End sub

> Many thanks in advance

> Darren


From lists at jbsolutions.com.au  Fri Nov 14 02:23:44 2003
From: lists at jbsolutions.com.au (Joshua B)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:23:44 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
Message-ID: <200311140823.hAE8Ng607489@databaseadvisors.com>

Hello Darren DICK,

If you have the A2K Developers Error Handler add-in, you may be able to automate the process of "recording" the current sub name in each procedure. See, in the default setup of the add-in, it includes a line in each procedure as follows...

MsgBox "Error " & Err.Number & ": " & Err.Description, vbCritical, ModuleName.ProcedureName

So in theory, you should be able to setup an Error Handler template that doesnt really handle errors, but adds a line into each procedure like so

glblRunningProcedure = ModuleName.ProcedureName

Still not a pretty solution, but easier than doing it by hand....

======= At 2003-11-14, 12:35:00 you wrote: =======

>Hello all
>Is there a way to determine the current sub name once you are in it then display it
>Is there a Current Sub Property? etc
>
>eg  (PSEUDO Code)
>Private Sub MySub()
>Msgbox "My Sub Name is " & Application.SubName
>End sub
>
>Many thanks in advance
>
>Darren
>
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= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
			

Best regards.				 
Joshua B
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From caa at highway.com.br  Fri Nov 14 02:56:53 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 06:56:53 -0200
Subject: [AccessD] Distinguishing Key Press
In-Reply-To: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801079B@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
References: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801079B@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <oprymds3vyeuy8y3@localhost>

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:52:50 -0700, Gowey Mike W 
<Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us> wrote:

> What I need it to do is if the Tab key is pressed to move to the next
> field, if the Enter key is pressed to save the record and than print a
> label of the information.
>
> This is a mail tracking database, in the form they are able to enter the
> information on the piece of mail that is coming in, lots of times the
> same publication comes in, so they fill out all the imformation on the
> publication once and all they want to be able to do is change the number
> of the reciepient and be able to press enter and the label for the
> distribution of the publication/Piece of mail is printed.  If they need
> to change any information than pressing the Tab key will allow this.
>
> I hope that makes better sense or maybe I am just muttering
>
> Mike
>

Take a look at help for "KeyPreview Property"!!!
HTH,
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* Child Neurologist                  *
* Systems Analyst/Programmer         *
* Rio de Janeiro, Brazil             *
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From caa at highway.com.br  Fri Nov 14 02:57:17 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 06:57:17 -0200
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <PBEDKHOENPLNGHCEPCDPGEJEDEAA.Robert@servicexp.com>
References: <PBEDKHOENPLNGHCEPCDPGEJEDEAA.Robert@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <oprymdtrh2euy8y3@localhost>

4 for myself. I have always used .MDE files with a single password to 
login.
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**************************************
* Carlos Alberto Alves               *
* Child Neurologist                  *
* Systems Analyst/Programmer         *
* Rio de Janeiro, Brazil             *
* mailto:caa at highway.com.br          *
**************************************

From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Fri Nov 14 03:12:54 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:12:54 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] FW: A2K developer
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C6753@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Forwarded mail below....
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Annie Courchesne, cma [mailto:annie.courchesne at sympatico.ca] 
Sent: 14 November 2003 02:52
To: Accessd
Subject: A2K developer


Hi guys,
 
It's been a while since I've posted here...
 
A customer of mine as asked that I convert an A2K database to a A2K runtime
so he doesn't have to buy 20+ licences of A2K.  I'm trying to find a A2K
developer (or Office 2K developer I think) so I can do this but my usual
software provider doesn't have it.  Anyone as any idea where I could get
that.
 
Thanks a lot!
 
 
Annie Courchesne, CMA
 

From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Fri Nov 14 07:01:31 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:01:31 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C95C@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I have the below code on a form that is used to open another form filtered
to the selected Engineer's name. The user selects their name from a combobox
(UserID), if the document status is open, or pending, or in progress, the
frmSystemFailure opens filtered to show their open documents.
 
If there are not any open EFRs for the selected Engineer, the form is still
opening, but it is blank. It is not giving the MsgBox, No Open EFRs....
 
What is wrong that the form is opening blank instead of giving the MsgBox?
 
Virginia
 
 
stDocName = "frmSystemFailure"
    stLinkCriteria = "[EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 1" &
_
    "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 2" & _
    "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 4"
           
    ' Check whether the user has any EFRs open. If they do, open the
    ' form with a filter.
On Error Resume Next
    If DCount("FailureReportNo", "tblSystemMain", stLinkCriteria) Then
        DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
    Else
        'DisplayMessage "No open EFRs"
        MsgBox "No open EFRs for " &
Forms![frmUpdateEFRs]![UserID].Column(1)
    End If


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Nov 14 06:09:13 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:09:13 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
Message-ID: <20031114130910.2949B24EB90@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Virginia
You need to test If DCount(etc)>0. You've omitted the >0 part.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
Date: 14/11/03 19:04


I have the below code on a form that is used to open another form filtered
to the selected Engineer's name. The user selects their name from a combobox
(UserID), if the document status is open, or pending, or in progress, the
frmSystemFailure opens filtered to show their open documents.

If there are not any open EFRs for the selected Engineer, the form is still
opening, but it is blank. It is not giving the MsgBox, No Open EFRs....

What is wrong that the form is opening blank instead of giving the MsgBox?

Virginia


stDocName = "frmSystemFailure"
stLinkCriteria = "[EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 1" &
_
"Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 2" & _
"Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 4"

' Check whether the user has any EFRs open. If they do, open the
' form with a filter.
On Error Resume Next
If DCount("FailureReportNo", "tblSystemMain", stLinkCriteria) Then
DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
Else
'DisplayMessage "No open EFRs"
MsgBox "No open EFRs for " &
Forms![frmUpdateEFRs]![UserID].Column(1)
End If

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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Fri Nov 14 07:15:22 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:15:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C95D@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I tried making a query & using this code. In the query I set the StatusID to
show only open & EngineerID = Forms!frmSystemFailure.EngineerID.

If there are not any open EFRs for the Engineer, the message box shows, but
I get an error, that it can't find frmSystemFailure.

Function NoOpenEng()
    If DCount("*", "qryStatusEng") > 0 Then 'gives the number of records
returned by the query
        DoCmd.OpenForm "frmSystemFailure", acNormal, "qryStatusPendingEng",
Forms!frmUpdateEFRs.UserID = Forms!frmSystemFailure.EngineerID, acFormEdit,
acWindowNormal
    Else
        MsgBox "No Open EFRs"
    End If
End Function

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:02 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form


I have the below code on a form that is used to open another form filtered
to the selected Engineer's name. The user selects their name from a combobox
(UserID), if the document status is open, or pending, or in progress, the
frmSystemFailure opens filtered to show their open documents.
 
If there are not any open EFRs for the selected Engineer, the form is still
opening, but it is blank. It is not giving the MsgBox, No Open EFRs....
 
What is wrong that the form is opening blank instead of giving the MsgBox?
 
Virginia
 
 
stDocName = "frmSystemFailure"
    stLinkCriteria = "[EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 1" &
_
    "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 2" & _
    "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 4"
           
    ' Check whether the user has any EFRs open. If they do, open the
    ' form with a filter.
On Error Resume Next
    If DCount("FailureReportNo", "tblSystemMain", stLinkCriteria) Then
        DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
    Else
        'DisplayMessage "No open EFRs"
        MsgBox "No open EFRs for " &
Forms![frmUpdateEFRs]![UserID].Column(1)
    End If

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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Fri Nov 14 07:17:15 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:17:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C95E@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Sorry about that - typo on the query.

I set the query EngineerID = frmUpdateEFR.EngineerID

frmUpdateEFR is the form with the combobox for selecting the Engineer's name
to open frmSystemFailure and view the open EFRs.

Totally confused yet?

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form


I tried making a query & using this code. In the query I set the StatusID to
show only open & EngineerID = Forms!frmSystemFailure.EngineerID.

If there are not any open EFRs for the Engineer, the message box shows, but
I get an error, that it can't find frmSystemFailure.

Function NoOpenEng()
    If DCount("*", "qryStatusEng") > 0 Then 'gives the number of records
returned by the query
        DoCmd.OpenForm "frmSystemFailure", acNormal, "qryStatusPendingEng",
Forms!frmUpdateEFRs.UserID = Forms!frmSystemFailure.EngineerID, acFormEdit,
acWindowNormal
    Else
        MsgBox "No Open EFRs"
    End If
End Function

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:02 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form


I have the below code on a form that is used to open another form filtered
to the selected Engineer's name. The user selects their name from a combobox
(UserID), if the document status is open, or pending, or in progress, the
frmSystemFailure opens filtered to show their open documents.
 
If there are not any open EFRs for the selected Engineer, the form is still
opening, but it is blank. It is not giving the MsgBox, No Open EFRs....
 
What is wrong that the form is opening blank instead of giving the MsgBox?
 
Virginia
 
 
stDocName = "frmSystemFailure"
    stLinkCriteria = "[EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 1" &
_
    "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 2" & _
    "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 4"
           
    ' Check whether the user has any EFRs open. If they do, open the
    ' form with a filter.
On Error Resume Next
    If DCount("FailureReportNo", "tblSystemMain", stLinkCriteria) Then
        DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
    Else
        'DisplayMessage "No open EFRs"
        MsgBox "No open EFRs for " &
Forms![frmUpdateEFRs]![UserID].Column(1)
    End If

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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Fri Nov 14 07:19:06 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:19:06 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C95F@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I tried that already, & it still opens a blank form.

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Don't Open Form


Virginia
You need to test If DCount(etc)>0. You've omitted the >0 part.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
Date: 14/11/03 19:04


I have the below code on a form that is used to open another form filtered
to the selected Engineer's name. The user selects their name from a combobox
(UserID), if the document status is open, or pending, or in progress, the
frmSystemFailure opens filtered to show their open documents.

If there are not any open EFRs for the selected Engineer, the form is still
opening, but it is blank. It is not giving the MsgBox, No Open EFRs....

What is wrong that the form is opening blank instead of giving the MsgBox?

Virginia


stDocName = "frmSystemFailure"
stLinkCriteria = "[EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 1" &
_
"Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 2" & _
"Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 4"

' Check whether the user has any EFRs open. If they do, open the
' form with a filter.
On Error Resume Next
If DCount("FailureReportNo", "tblSystemMain", stLinkCriteria) Then
DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
Else
'DisplayMessage "No open EFRs"
MsgBox "No open EFRs for " &
Forms![frmUpdateEFRs]![UserID].Column(1)
End If

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 14 07:38:38 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:38:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C95F@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C95F@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <9021005924.20031114143838@cactus.dk>

Hi Virginia

Well, how about uncommenting that error line and debug the criteria
and the output of DCount:

  Rem On Error Resume Next
  Debug.Print stLinkCriteria
  Debug.Print DCount("FailureReportNo", "tblSystemMain", stLinkCriteria)

/gustav


> I tried that already, & it still opens a blank form.

> Virginia

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Don't Open Form


> Virginia
> You need to test If DCount(etc)>0. You've omitted the >0 part.
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
> Date: 14/11/03 19:04


> I have the below code on a form that is used to open another form filtered
> to the selected Engineer's name. The user selects their name from a combobox
> (UserID), if the document status is open, or pending, or in progress, the
> frmSystemFailure opens filtered to show their open documents.

> If there are not any open EFRs for the selected Engineer, the form is still
> opening, but it is blank. It is not giving the MsgBox, No Open EFRs....

> What is wrong that the form is opening blank instead of giving the MsgBox?

> Virginia


> stDocName = "frmSystemFailure"
> stLinkCriteria = "[EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 1" &
> _
> "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 2" & _
> "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 4"

> ' Check whether the user has any EFRs open. If they do, open the
> ' form with a filter.
> On Error Resume Next
> If DCount("FailureReportNo", "tblSystemMain", stLinkCriteria) Then
> DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
> Else
> 'DisplayMessage "No open EFRs"
> MsgBox "No open EFRs for " &
> Forms![frmUpdateEFRs]![UserID].Column(1)
> End If


From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Fri Nov 14 07:42:53 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:42:53 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C95F@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c3aab5$3acc35d0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

You get a blank form if the underlying record source is empty.  As Andy
mentioned, you need to test for the recordcount and if 0 warn the user and
either don't open the form, or if the test is in the form itself close
gracefully.

Alternatively you could go the main/subform approach, where the main form uses
the userid and the subform lists all open documents with the userid.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Friday, 14 November, 2003 9:19 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
>
>
> I tried that already, & it still opens a blank form.
>
> Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
>
>
> Virginia
> You need to test If DCount(etc)>0. You've omitted the >0 part.
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
> Date: 14/11/03 19:04
>
>
> I have the below code on a form that is used to open another
> form filtered
> to the selected Engineer's name. The user selects their name
> from a combobox
> (UserID), if the document status is open, or pending, or in
> progress, the
> frmSystemFailure opens filtered to show their open documents.
>
> If there are not any open EFRs for the selected Engineer, the
> form is still
> opening, but it is blank. It is not giving the MsgBox, No
> Open EFRs....
>
> What is wrong that the form is opening blank instead of
> giving the MsgBox?
>
> Virginia
>
>
> stDocName = "frmSystemFailure"
> stLinkCriteria = "[EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND
> [StatusID] = 1" &
> _
> "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 2" & _
> "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 4"
>
> ' Check whether the user has any EFRs open. If they do, open the
> ' form with a filter.
> On Error Resume Next
> If DCount("FailureReportNo", "tblSystemMain", stLinkCriteria) Then
> DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
> Else
> 'DisplayMessage "No open EFRs"
> MsgBox "No open EFRs for " &
> Forms![frmUpdateEFRs]![UserID].Column(1)
> End If
>
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Fri Nov 14 07:47:50 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:47:50 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
In-Reply-To: <001b01c3aab5$3acc35d0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <001c01c3aab5$e5c7e0b0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Oops ... Nevermind .. Didn't read properly

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Stuart Sanders
> Sent: Friday, 14 November, 2003 9:43 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
>
>
> You get a blank form if the underlying record source is
> empty.  As Andy
> mentioned, you need to test for the recordcount and if 0 warn
> the user and
> either don't open the form, or if the test is in the form itself close
> gracefully.
>
> Alternatively you could go the main/subform approach, where
> the main form uses
> the userid and the subform lists all open documents with the userid.
>
> Stuart
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Hollis,Virginia
> > Sent: Friday, 14 November, 2003 9:19 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
> >
> >
> > I tried that already, & it still opens a blank form.
> >
> > Virginia
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:09 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
> >
> >
> > Virginia
> > You need to test If DCount(etc)>0. You've omitted the >0 part.
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --------- Original Message --------
> > From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
> > Date: 14/11/03 19:04
> >
> >
> > I have the below code on a form that is used to open another
> > form filtered
> > to the selected Engineer's name. The user selects their name
> > from a combobox
> > (UserID), if the document status is open, or pending, or in
> > progress, the
> > frmSystemFailure opens filtered to show their open documents.
> >
> > If there are not any open EFRs for the selected Engineer, the
> > form is still
> > opening, but it is blank. It is not giving the MsgBox, No
> > Open EFRs....
> >
> > What is wrong that the form is opening blank instead of
> > giving the MsgBox?
> >
> > Virginia
> >
> >
> > stDocName = "frmSystemFailure"
> > stLinkCriteria = "[EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND
> > [StatusID] = 1" &
> > _
> > "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 2" & _
> > "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 4"
> >
> > ' Check whether the user has any EFRs open. If they do, open the
> > ' form with a filter.
> > On Error Resume Next
> > If DCount("FailureReportNo", "tblSystemMain", stLinkCriteria) Then
> > DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
> > Else
> > 'DisplayMessage "No open EFRs"
> > MsgBox "No open EFRs for " &
> > Forms![frmUpdateEFRs]![UserID].Column(1)
> > End If
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 14 07:51:11 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:51:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
In-Reply-To: <001b01c3aab5$3acc35d0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEABFLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Are you manipulating the AllowEdit property?  I have seen AllowEdit false
(for the form) cause blank forms.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 8:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form


You get a blank form if the underlying record source is empty.  As Andy
mentioned, you need to test for the recordcount and if 0 warn the user and
either don't open the form, or if the test is in the form itself close
gracefully.

Alternatively you could go the main/subform approach, where the main form
uses
the userid and the subform lists all open documents with the userid.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Friday, 14 November, 2003 9:19 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
>
>
> I tried that already, & it still opens a blank form.
>
> Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
>
>
> Virginia
> You need to test If DCount(etc)>0. You've omitted the >0 part.
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
> Date: 14/11/03 19:04
>
>
> I have the below code on a form that is used to open another
> form filtered
> to the selected Engineer's name. The user selects their name
> from a combobox
> (UserID), if the document status is open, or pending, or in
> progress, the
> frmSystemFailure opens filtered to show their open documents.
>
> If there are not any open EFRs for the selected Engineer, the
> form is still
> opening, but it is blank. It is not giving the MsgBox, No
> Open EFRs....
>
> What is wrong that the form is opening blank instead of
> giving the MsgBox?
>
> Virginia
>
>
> stDocName = "frmSystemFailure"
> stLinkCriteria = "[EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND
> [StatusID] = 1" &
> _
> "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 2" & _
> "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 4"
>
> ' Check whether the user has any EFRs open. If they do, open the
> ' form with a filter.
> On Error Resume Next
> If DCount("FailureReportNo", "tblSystemMain", stLinkCriteria) Then
> DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
> Else
> 'DisplayMessage "No open EFRs"
> MsgBox "No open EFRs for " &
> Forms![frmUpdateEFRs]![UserID].Column(1)
> End If
>
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Fri Nov 14 08:05:55 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:05:55 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C961@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Yes, you are correct - AllowEdit = False.

Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form


Are you manipulating the AllowEdit property?  I have seen AllowEdit false
(for the form) cause blank forms.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 8:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form


You get a blank form if the underlying record source is empty.  As Andy
mentioned, you need to test for the recordcount and if 0 warn the user and
either don't open the form, or if the test is in the form itself close
gracefully.

Alternatively you could go the main/subform approach, where the main form
uses
the userid and the subform lists all open documents with the userid.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Friday, 14 November, 2003 9:19 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
>
>
> I tried that already, & it still opens a blank form.
>
> Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
>
>
> Virginia
> You need to test If DCount(etc)>0. You've omitted the >0 part.
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
> Date: 14/11/03 19:04
>
>
> I have the below code on a form that is used to open another
> form filtered
> to the selected Engineer's name. The user selects their name
> from a combobox
> (UserID), if the document status is open, or pending, or in
> progress, the
> frmSystemFailure opens filtered to show their open documents.
>
> If there are not any open EFRs for the selected Engineer, the
> form is still
> opening, but it is blank. It is not giving the MsgBox, No
> Open EFRs....
>
> What is wrong that the form is opening blank instead of
> giving the MsgBox?
>
> Virginia
>
>
> stDocName = "frmSystemFailure"
> stLinkCriteria = "[EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND
> [StatusID] = 1" &
> _
> "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 2" & _
> "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 4"
>
> ' Check whether the user has any EFRs open. If they do, open the
> ' form with a filter.
> On Error Resume Next
> If DCount("FailureReportNo", "tblSystemMain", stLinkCriteria) Then
> DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
> Else
> 'DisplayMessage "No open EFRs"
> MsgBox "No open EFRs for " &
> Forms![frmUpdateEFRs]![UserID].Column(1)
> End If
>
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Fri Nov 14 08:18:05 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:18:05 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
In-Reply-To: <1621596745.20031114091509@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001d01c3aaba$1f74c090$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

While I just tried this in debug mode, I got err.Source as the name of the
database (ie from database properties).  Not the name of the module.

I tested with a class module, so I'll take a look at other modules.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Gustav Brock
> Sent: Friday, 14 November, 2003 4:15 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
>
>
> Hi Darren
>
> At least you can retrieve the name of the module ...:
>
> <code>
>
> Public Sub ModuleName()
>
>   Dim strModuleName  As String
>
>   On Error Resume Next
>   strModuleName = Null
>   strModuleName = Err.Source
>
>   MsgBox strModuleName
>
> End Sub
>
> </code>
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Is there a way to determine the current sub name once you
> are in it then display it
> > Is there a Current Sub Property? etc
>
> > eg  (PSEUDO Code)
> > Private Sub MySub()
> > Msgbox "My Sub Name is " & Application.SubName
> > End sub
>
> > Many thanks in advance
>
> > Darren
>
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Fri Nov 14 08:22:05 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:22:05 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C961@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c3aaba$ae40d7f0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Hehe ... That?s it... I remember it was something to do with empty recordset.
Last I hit it was years ago though.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Friday, 14 November, 2003 10:06 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
>
>
> Yes, you are correct - AllowEdit = False.
>
> Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
>
>
> Are you manipulating the AllowEdit property?  I have seen
> AllowEdit false
> (for the form) cause blank forms.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Stuart Sanders
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 8:43 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
>
>
> You get a blank form if the underlying record source is
> empty.  As Andy
> mentioned, you need to test for the recordcount and if 0 warn
> the user and
> either don't open the form, or if the test is in the form itself close
> gracefully.
>
> Alternatively you could go the main/subform approach, where
> the main form
> uses
> the userid and the subform lists all open documents with the userid.
>
> Stuart
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Hollis,Virginia
> > Sent: Friday, 14 November, 2003 9:19 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
> >
> >
> > I tried that already, & it still opens a blank form.
> >
> > Virginia
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:09 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
> >
> >
> > Virginia
> > You need to test If DCount(etc)>0. You've omitted the >0 part.
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --------- Original Message --------
> > From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
> > Date: 14/11/03 19:04
> >
> >
> > I have the below code on a form that is used to open another
> > form filtered
> > to the selected Engineer's name. The user selects their name
> > from a combobox
> > (UserID), if the document status is open, or pending, or in
> > progress, the
> > frmSystemFailure opens filtered to show their open documents.
> >
> > If there are not any open EFRs for the selected Engineer, the
> > form is still
> > opening, but it is blank. It is not giving the MsgBox, No
> > Open EFRs....
> >
> > What is wrong that the form is opening blank instead of
> > giving the MsgBox?
> >
> > Virginia
> >
> >
> > stDocName = "frmSystemFailure"
> > stLinkCriteria = "[EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND
> > [StatusID] = 1" &
> > _
> > "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 2" & _
> > "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 4"
> >
> > ' Check whether the user has any EFRs open. If they do, open the
> > ' form with a filter.
> > On Error Resume Next
> > If DCount("FailureReportNo", "tblSystemMain", stLinkCriteria) Then
> > DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
> > Else
> > 'DisplayMessage "No open EFRs"
> > MsgBox "No open EFRs for " &
> > Forms![frmUpdateEFRs]![UserID].Column(1)
> > End If
> >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 14 08:28:16 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:28:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
In-Reply-To: <001d01c3aaba$1f74c090$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
References: <001d01c3aaba$1f74c090$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <8123983316.20031114152816@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

Oops, you're right. But hey, it's Friday!

/gustav


> While I just tried this in debug mode, I got err.Source as the name of the
> database (ie from database properties).  Not the name of the module.

> I tested with a class module, so I'll take a look at other modules.

> Stuart

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Gustav Brock
>> Sent: Friday, 14 November, 2003 4:15 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
>>
>>
>> Hi Darren
>>
>> At least you can retrieve the name of the module ...:
>>
>> <code>
>>
>> Public Sub ModuleName()
>>
>>   Dim strModuleName  As String
>>
>>   On Error Resume Next
>>   strModuleName = Null
>>   strModuleName = Err.Source
>>
>>   MsgBox strModuleName
>>
>> End Sub
>>
>> </code>
>>
>> /gustav


From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Fri Nov 14 08:57:08 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:57:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday Stuff
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C966@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Ok, good one for a Friday. I just had someone call me that is trying to work
on a database. This database tracks data for each year, 2001, 2002, and they
are trying to enter the new data for 2003. 
 
Here is the good part - they can't figure out why the previous years data is
changing when they change something - they saved the form as a new form
"2003".
 
Virginia

From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 14 09:18:21 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:18:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday Stuff
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C966@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C966@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <12226988958.20031114161821@cactus.dk>

Hi Virginia

This must be one of JC's "creative" users.

/gustav


> Ok, good one for a Friday. I just had someone call me that is trying to work
> on a database. This database tracks data for each year, 2001, 2002, and they
> are trying to enter the new data for 2003. 
 
> Here is the good part - they can't figure out why the previous years data is
> changing when they change something - they saved the form as a new form
> "2003".


From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Fri Nov 14 09:40:54 2003
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:40:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Auto install fonts
Message-ID: <sfb4b196.047@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>

I use basically the same 'look' for all (or most) of the programs that I
write for my employer. This 'look' includes two fonts that are not
standard (airfoil.ttf and motley.ttf). When I install these programs to
a new computer, it is necessary for me to copy these ttf files and then
install them via 'control panel' and 'fonts'.
 
This was all fine for a while, but now the number of programs is
growing, as is the amount of users and the physical area that they are
spread over. Now I cannot always be the one who does the actual
installation, so I have been trying to create an automated process for
the install of these programs. I currently use a batch file that creates
a directory in 'Program Files' on their root drive, copies the files
into this directory, and copies a shortcut onto their desktop. The
remaining problem is that the fonts need to be installed, and I don't
know how to get around having them install the font--I don't want them
to touch anything they don't need to touch.
 
Is there a way to do this? I have never used any of the 'installer'
programs that I have read about, on this list--is this what I need to be
looking at? And, if so, which ones? I think I have noticed 'Install
Shield' (?) the most.
 
Thank you! Take care!
 
John W Clark

From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 14 10:04:03 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:04:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Auto install fonts
In-Reply-To: <sfb4b196.047@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>
References: <sfb4b196.047@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <12429730660.20031114170403@cactus.dk>

Hi John

You can use the free Inno Setup for this:

  http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php


<snip>

FontInstall

  Description:
Tells Setup the file is a font that needs to be installed. The value
of this parameter is the name of the font as stored in the registry or
WIN.INI. This must be exactly the same name as you see when you
double-click the font file in Explorer. Note that Setup will
automatically append " (TrueType)" to the end of the name.    

If the file is not a TrueType font, you must specify the flag fontisnttruetype in the Flags parameter.

It's recommended that you use the flags onlyifdoesntexist and
uninsneveruninstall when installing fonts to the {fonts} directory. 
To successfully install a font on Windows 2000/XP, the user must be a
member of the Power Users or Administrators groups. On Windows NT 4.0
and earlier, anyone can install a font.

  Example:
Source: "OZHANDIN.TTF"; DestDir: "{fonts}"; FontInstall: "Oz Handicraft BT"; Flags: onlyifdoesntexist uninsneveruninstall 

</snip>

/gustav


> I use basically the same 'look' for all (or most) of the programs that I
> write for my employer. This 'look' includes two fonts that are not
> standard (airfoil.ttf and motley.ttf). When I install these programs to
> a new computer, it is necessary for me to copy these ttf files and then
> install them via 'control panel' and 'fonts'.
 
> This was all fine for a while, but now the number of programs is
> growing, as is the amount of users and the physical area that they are
> spread over. Now I cannot always be the one who does the actual
> installation, so I have been trying to create an automated process for
> the install of these programs. I currently use a batch file that creates
> a directory in 'Program Files' on their root drive, copies the files
> into this directory, and copies a shortcut onto their desktop. The
> remaining problem is that the fonts need to be installed, and I don't
> know how to get around having them install the font--I don't want them
> to touch anything they don't need to touch.
 
> Is there a way to do this? I have never used any of the 'installer'
> programs that I have read about, on this list--is this what I need to be
> looking at? And, if so, which ones? I think I have noticed 'Install
> Shield' (?) the most.


From john at winhaven.net  Fri Nov 14 10:15:28 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:15:28 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday Stuff
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C966@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEFKFFAA.john@winhaven.net>

Reminds me of a state bureaucrat I used to know. For years she would send
out an annual update of a "Time Reporting" database application that the
local employees used to keep track of the time they spent on state funded
programs. In the data entry they would have to enter the date, the year and
the quarter. The only thing she changed over the entire time she did this
was to add the new year and quarters to lookup tables (4 digit number for
year e.g. "1999" and: 99-1, 99-2, 99-3, 99-4 for the quarters). Of course
she also had to adjust the reports so they would print out for the new year
and/or quarter. The reports had hard coded year and/or quarter - there were
5 reports. There was no routine to get rid of the old data and there was no
way to print out reports or use the old data in any manner (which a number
of local people wanted to do so they started to duplicate the database and
keep the old application in order to be able to get the reports for each
year. Some offices had 5 of these applications/databases set up!

The funny part: She really wasn't aware that she could just let the users
enter the date and filter the reports for year and/or quarter based on that!

Well, we fixed all that and she has never issued another update (wipes sweat
from his forehead).

John B.
Another complicated programming issue solved by (drum roll and horn blasts
please) Super-Programmer!
(As he places his hands on his hips and thrusts out his chest!)
;o)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 8:57 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday Stuff
>
>
> Ok, good one for a Friday. I just had someone call me that is
> trying to work
> on a database. This database tracks data for each year, 2001,
> 2002, and they
> are trying to enter the new data for 2003.
>
> Here is the good part - they can't figure out why the previous
> years data is
> changing when they change something - they saved the form as a new form
> "2003".
>
> Virginia
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From john at winhaven.net  Fri Nov 14 10:19:01 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:19:01 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Auto install fonts
In-Reply-To: <sfb4b196.047@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJCEFLFFAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi John:
In Wise InstallBuilder its as easy as adding a line:
Register Font Tt0195.ttf
Which is actually created using a dialog with combo boxes.
I would imagine this is calling some API to register the font but since I
have Wise I've never bothered to look into it. Maybe someone else here can
expand on this.

Wise or Installshield are both top notch. It seems most people here use Wise
(with SageKey Access Scripts). There are other installers out there, some
free, but I don't know that handle installing Access runtime apps very well,
which is why I use an installer. I just haven't heard much about anything
other than those already mentioned.

HTH
John B.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 9:41 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Auto install fonts
>
>
> I use basically the same 'look' for all (or most) of the programs that I
> write for my employer. This 'look' includes two fonts that are not
> standard (airfoil.ttf and motley.ttf). When I install these programs to
> a new computer, it is necessary for me to copy these ttf files and then
> install them via 'control panel' and 'fonts'.
>
> This was all fine for a while, but now the number of programs is
> growing, as is the amount of users and the physical area that they are
> spread over. Now I cannot always be the one who does the actual
> installation, so I have been trying to create an automated process for
> the install of these programs. I currently use a batch file that creates
> a directory in 'Program Files' on their root drive, copies the files
> into this directory, and copies a shortcut onto their desktop. The
> remaining problem is that the fonts need to be installed, and I don't
> know how to get around having them install the font--I don't want them
> to touch anything they don't need to touch.
>
> Is there a way to do this? I have never used any of the 'installer'
> programs that I have read about, on this list--is this what I need to be
> looking at? And, if so, which ones? I think I have noticed 'Install
> Shield' (?) the most.
>
> Thank you! Take care!
>
> John W Clark
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Nov 14 10:21:35 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:21:35 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] FW: A2K developer
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312444@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I've heard of people finding it on eBay, but since it's now 2 versions
back, it may be hard to find.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 1:13 AM
To: AccessD (AccessD at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [AccessD] FW: A2K developer


Forwarded mail below....
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Annie Courchesne, cma [mailto:annie.courchesne at sympatico.ca] 
Sent: 14 November 2003 02:52
To: Accessd
Subject: A2K developer


Hi guys,
 
It's been a while since I've posted here...
 
A customer of mine as asked that I convert an A2K database to a A2K
runtime so he doesn't have to buy 20+ licences of A2K.  I'm trying to
find a A2K developer (or Office 2K developer I think) so I can do this
but my usual software provider doesn't have it.  Anyone as any idea
where I could get that.
 
Thanks a lot!
 
 
Annie Courchesne, CMA
 
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Fri Nov 14 10:22:53 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:22:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday Stuff
References: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEFKFFAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <003c01c3aacb$8ee8f2a0$6401a8c0@default>

John,

I was going to thank you last night
for sharing your expeiences ...
wondered why you were out standing in
your field ... you old farmer :)

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:15 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Friday Stuff


> Reminds me of a state bureaucrat I used to know. For years she would send
> out an annual update of a "Time Reporting" database application that the
> local employees used to keep track of the time they spent on state funded
> programs. In the data entry they would have to enter the date, the year
and
> the quarter. The only thing she changed over the entire time she did this
> was to add the new year and quarters to lookup tables (4 digit number for
> year e.g. "1999" and: 99-1, 99-2, 99-3, 99-4 for the quarters). Of course
> she also had to adjust the reports so they would print out for the new
year
> and/or quarter. The reports had hard coded year and/or quarter - there
were
> 5 reports. There was no routine to get rid of the old data and there was
no
> way to print out reports or use the old data in any manner (which a number
> of local people wanted to do so they started to duplicate the database and
> keep the old application in order to be able to get the reports for each
> year. Some offices had 5 of these applications/databases set up!
>
> The funny part: She really wasn't aware that she could just let the users
> enter the date and filter the reports for year and/or quarter based on
that!
>
> Well, we fixed all that and she has never issued another update (wipes
sweat
> from his forehead).
>
> John B.
> Another complicated programming issue solved by (drum roll and horn blasts
> please) Super-Programmer!
> (As he places his hands on his hips and thrusts out his chest!)
> ;o)
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > Hollis,Virginia
> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 8:57 AM
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday Stuff
> >
> >
> > Ok, good one for a Friday. I just had someone call me that is
> > trying to work
> > on a database. This database tracks data for each year, 2001,
> > 2002, and they
> > are trying to enter the new data for 2003.
> >
> > Here is the good part - they can't figure out why the previous
> > years data is
> > changing when they change something - they saved the form as a new form
> > "2003".
> >
> > Virginia
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From john at winhaven.net  Fri Nov 14 11:01:15 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:01:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Funny
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEFMFFAA.john@winhaven.net>

I think this fits the bill today:

http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/index.html


From john at winhaven.net  Fri Nov 14 11:01:16 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:01:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday Stuff
In-Reply-To: <003c01c3aacb$8ee8f2a0$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIKEBDENAA.john@winhaven.net>

LOL
Actually, I was envisioning standing atop a high rise building with a cape
billowing in the wind! This bureaucrat was from Madison, WI (state capital).

LOL again!
But I guess an old farmer would be more fitting since this is when I worked
for the Agricultural Land Conservation Dept. I did stand out in a lot of
fields (and other stuff too).
:o)

John B.
PS: My degree (primary) is Natural Resources Sciences.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Stuff
>
>
> John,
>
> I was going to thank you last night
> for sharing your expeiences ...
> wondered why you were out standing in
> your field ... you old farmer :)
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:15 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Friday Stuff
>
>
> > Reminds me of a state bureaucrat I used to know. For years she
> would send
> > out an annual update of a "Time Reporting" database application that the
> > local employees used to keep track of the time they spent on
> state funded
> > programs. In the data entry they would have to enter the date, the year
> and
> > the quarter. The only thing she changed over the entire time
> she did this
> > was to add the new year and quarters to lookup tables (4 digit
> number for
> > year e.g. "1999" and: 99-1, 99-2, 99-3, 99-4 for the quarters).
> Of course
> > she also had to adjust the reports so they would print out for the new
> year
> > and/or quarter. The reports had hard coded year and/or quarter - there
> were
> > 5 reports. There was no routine to get rid of the old data and there was
> no
> > way to print out reports or use the old data in any manner
> (which a number
> > of local people wanted to do so they started to duplicate the
> database and
> > keep the old application in order to be able to get the reports for each
> > year. Some offices had 5 of these applications/databases set up!
> >
> > The funny part: She really wasn't aware that she could just let
> the users
> > enter the date and filter the reports for year and/or quarter based on
> that!
> >
> > Well, we fixed all that and she has never issued another update (wipes
> sweat
> > from his forehead).
> >
> > John B.
> > Another complicated programming issue solved by (drum roll and
> horn blasts
> > please) Super-Programmer!
> > (As he places his hands on his hips and thrusts out his chest!)
> > ;o)
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > > Hollis,Virginia
> > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 8:57 AM
> > > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday Stuff
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok, good one for a Friday. I just had someone call me that is
> > > trying to work
> > > on a database. This database tracks data for each year, 2001,
> > > 2002, and they
> > > are trying to enter the new data for 2003.
> > >
> > > Here is the good part - they can't figure out why the previous
> > > years data is
> > > changing when they change something - they saved the form as
> a new form
> > > "2003".
> > >
> > > Virginia
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From rbgajewski at adelphia.net  Fri Nov 14 11:18:00 2003
From: rbgajewski at adelphia.net (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:18:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Problem: subtotaling time (long email)
Message-ID: <LHEEKEKNLFONONKPIOCJIEBFFNAA.rbgajewski@adelphia.net>

Dear List

I cannot figure out how to add time.

I have a database that tracks responses for emergency services providers.

Table and report details are below. I'm trying to create a report showing
each provider's responses, sorted and subtotaled by major class types and
then minor class types, with the time of each incident shown AND subtotaled.
I have no problem with the report EXCEPT that I cannot subtotal the time
(the "Time = " and "Total Time = " fields).

I suspect that the problem may be that I am using a formatted field
(TimeDiff), and cannot add the data because they are now string values. If
anyone can help steer me in a better direction, I would be extremely
grateful!

TIA,

Bob Gajewski

*************************************************************
DATABASE DETAILS:

tblEmployees
	EmployeeID (PK)
	EmployeeName

tblMajorClass
	MajorClassID (PK)
	MajorClassName

tblMinorClass
	MinorClassID (PK)
	MinorClassName

tblIncidents
	IncidentID (PK)
	MajorClassID (FK)
		(has "Call" or "Drill")
	MinorClassID (FK)
		(for "Call", has "Fire" or "EMS")
		(for "Drill", has "Internal" or "External")
	DispatchTime
	InServiceTime

tblResponses
	ResponseID (PK)
	IncidentID (FK)
	EmployeeID (FK)

The report (rptEmployeeResponse) has the following:

	Sorting & Grouping:
		EmployeeName (Ascending)
			Group Header = Yes
			Group Footer = Yes
			Group On = Each Value
		MajorClassName (Ascending)
			Group Header = Yes
			Group Footer = Yes
			Group On = Each Value
		MinorClassName (Ascending)
			Group Header = Yes
			Group Footer = Yes
			Group On = Each Value
		IncidentID
			Group Header = No
			Group Footer = No
			Group On = Each Value

	SQL Statement (QBE)
		EmployeeName (GroupBy)
		MajorClass (GroupBy)
		MinorClass (GroupBy)
		IncidentID (Count) - from tblResponses!
		DispatchTime (GroupBy)
		InServiceTime (GroupBy)
		TimeDiff (GroupBy)
			TimeDiff:
IIf([InServiceTime]>[DispatchTime],Format([InServiceTime]-[DispatchTime]),"S
hort Time"),Format(DateAdd("d",1,[InServiceTime])-[DispatchTime]),"Short
Time"))

	Sample Output:


Brown, Joe
	Calls
		EMS
			001	11:00	13:59	2:59
			003	09:13	10:29	1:16
		Count = 2		Time = 4:15

		Fire
			002	23:04	01:41	2:37
			004	11:42	12:02	0:20
			005	04:30	05:58	1:28
		Count = 3		Time = 4:25

	Total Count = 5	Total Time = 8:40


	Drills
		External
			001	11:00	12:00	1:00
			003	09:00	10:30	1:30
		Count = 2		Time = 2:30

		EMS
			002	19:00	21:30	2:30
			004	11:00	12:00	1:00
			005	09:30	11:00	1:30
		Count = 3		Time = 5:00

	Total Count = 5	Total Time = 7:30

{Next Employee ....}

Counts and times are only totaled per employee; there is no aggregate grand
total.




From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 14 11:51:36 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:51:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Problem: subtotaling time (long email)
In-Reply-To: <LHEEKEKNLFONONKPIOCJIEBFFNAA.rbgajewski@adelphia.net>
References: <LHEEKEKNLFONONKPIOCJIEBFFNAA.rbgajewski@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <7836183749.20031114185136@cactus.dk>

Hi Bob

Use DateDiff("n", datStart, datStop) to calculate the time difference
in minutes (assuming you are ignoring seconds). Sum those minutes as
your subtotal. 

Then you can use a function like this to calculate a pseudo time:

<code>

Function TimeHour(ByVal curHMS As Currency) As Date

' Rounds and converts curHMS (number of hours as decimalnumber).
' Returns a time value, hh:nn:ss.
' Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS.
' 1999-08-12.

  Dim lngH As Long
  Dim lngM As Long
  Dim lngS As Long
  Dim curR As Currency
  
  ' No error handling needed.
  On Error Resume Next
  
  ' Round to two decimals, and skip number of days if curHMS > 24.
  ' If day count is needed, omit modulus like this:
  ' curHMS = (CLng(curHMS * 10000) / 100 * 36) ' Mod 86400
  curHMS = (CLng(curHMS * 10000) / 100 * 36) Mod 86400
  
  ' Calculate hours, minutes, and seconds.
  lngH = Int(curHMS / 3600)
  curR = curHMS - (lngH * 3600)
  lngM = Int(curR / 60)
  curR = curR - (lngM * 60)
  lngS = CInt(curR)
  
  ' Create time value.
  TimeHour = TimeSerial(lngH, lngM, lngS)

End Function

</code>

Finally, format the returned date/time value as you like, say:

  strTimeDiff = Format(datTimeDiff, "hh:nn")

or simply specify this format for the textbox in the report.

/gustav


> I cannot figure out how to add time.

> I have a database that tracks responses for emergency services providers.

> Table and report details are below. I'm trying to create a report showing
> each provider's responses, sorted and subtotaled by major class types and
> then minor class types, with the time of each incident shown AND subtotaled.
> I have no problem with the report EXCEPT that I cannot subtotal the time
> (the "Time = " and "Total Time = " fields).

> I suspect that the problem may be that I am using a formatted field
> (TimeDiff), and cannot add the data because they are now string values. If
> anyone can help steer me in a better direction, I would be extremely
> grateful!

> TIA,

> Bob Gajewski

> *************************************************************
> DATABASE DETAILS:

> tblEmployees
>         EmployeeID (PK)
>         EmployeeName

> tblMajorClass
>         MajorClassID (PK)
>         MajorClassName

> tblMinorClass
>         MinorClassID (PK)
>         MinorClassName

> tblIncidents
>         IncidentID (PK)
>         MajorClassID (FK)
>                 (has "Call" or "Drill")
>         MinorClassID (FK)
>                 (for "Call", has "Fire" or "EMS")
>                 (for "Drill", has "Internal" or "External")
>         DispatchTime
>         InServiceTime

> tblResponses
>         ResponseID (PK)
>         IncidentID (FK)
>         EmployeeID (FK)

> The report (rptEmployeeResponse) has the following:

>         Sorting & Grouping:
>                 EmployeeName (Ascending)
>                         Group Header = Yes
>                         Group Footer = Yes
>                         Group On = Each Value
>                 MajorClassName (Ascending)
>                         Group Header = Yes
>                         Group Footer = Yes
>                         Group On = Each Value
>                 MinorClassName (Ascending)
>                         Group Header = Yes
>                         Group Footer = Yes
>                         Group On = Each Value
>                 IncidentID
>                         Group Header = No
>                         Group Footer = No
>                         Group On = Each Value

>         SQL Statement (QBE)
>                 EmployeeName (GroupBy)
>                 MajorClass (GroupBy)
>                 MinorClass (GroupBy)
>                 IncidentID (Count) - from tblResponses!
>                 DispatchTime (GroupBy)
>                 InServiceTime (GroupBy)
>                 TimeDiff (GroupBy)
>                         TimeDiff:
IIf([InServiceTime]>>[DispatchTime],Format([InServiceTime]-[DispatchTime]),"S
> hort Time"),Format(DateAdd("d",1,[InServiceTime])-[DispatchTime]),"Short
> Time"))

>         Sample Output:


> Brown, Joe
>         Calls
>                 EMS
>                         001     11:00   13:59   2:59
>                         003     09:13   10:29   1:16
>                 Count = 2               Time = 4:15

>                 Fire
>                         002     23:04   01:41   2:37
>                         004     11:42   12:02   0:20
>                         005     04:30   05:58   1:28
>                 Count = 3               Time = 4:25

>         Total Count = 5 Total Time = 8:40


>         Drills
>                 External
>                         001     11:00   12:00   1:00
>                         003     09:00   10:30   1:30
>                 Count = 2               Time = 2:30

>                 EMS
>                         002     19:00   21:30   2:30
>                         004     11:00   12:00   1:00
>                         005     09:30   11:00   1:30
>                 Count = 3               Time = 5:00

>         Total Count = 5 Total Time = 7:30

> {Next Employee ....}

> Counts and times are only totaled per employee; there is no aggregate grand
> total.


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 14 12:03:23 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:03:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227577@main2.marlow.com>

Certainly not impossible, but quite frankly, it would be easier to just use
Terminal Server, Citrix, or Remote Administrator, then to go and create what
would be a pretty complex ASP site.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser


Hi Drew 
Thanks for the reply
I mean setting permissions, creating users and groups, changing passwords,
etc,
as you suggested.

Basically she would like interfacing with Access Security and totally
managing, at every
level via a browser, whatever you can manage whilst sitting directly in from
of the System.mdw file

In relation to John Colby's Poll on Access Security I am a 14. Never touched
the stuff and
am vaguely aware that it exists. So if it seems I am asking the impossible
because I don't know
any better it's because...I don't know any better :-))

Many thanks for the reply

Darren


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 5:40 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser


> What do you mean Darren.  Do you mean like setting permissions, creating
> users and groups, changing passwords, etc?  Or simply logging into a
secured
> database?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:48 PM
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> Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser
> 
> 
> Hello all
> I have a Web Developer friend asking me if anyone knows of some useful
> URL's that will show how to or give examples of administering Access
> security via a browser.
> 
> She has Access Security implemented and can administer it fine from the
> local PC via the
> 'normal' means, she just wants to do it via the web 
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Darren
> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 14 12:07:46 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:07:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227579@main2.marlow.com>

I think you're agreeing with me. <grin>

The problem with a BE though, is that if it's an .mdb, it has to be
accessible by the user, in order for an Access (or even VB) FE to use it.
You're right, if you go with a server side db, like Oracle or SQL, then you
have that security in place, but even that stuff isn't unbreakable.  The ASP
FE let's you use an .mdb as a backend, but since it doesn't need to be
accessible by the user, it is pretty 'tight' security.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Drew:

That is the whole issue surround Access security, is that a fully exposed
MDB is very hackable. If the DB can be hidden behind a ASP FE or simply
replaced with another remote BE, some other SQL, the whole security issue is
non-starter and hardly has to be addresses at all.

In my humble opinion.
Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Actually, an .mdb can be made VERY secure by using ASP as a front end.  The
problem with using Access or even VB for a front end, is that you need to
have direct access to the back end.  So if user XYZ is logged on, XYZ needs
permission to have direct Access to the .mdb AND the .mdw.  However, if you
use ASP as the Front End, so the user is using their browser to access the
db, then the users can be completely stripped of access to the .mdb itself.
In fact, if you store the .mdb on the IIS server, and you don't even have to
have share access to it.  Sure, you're then relying on NT security, but you
can button that down pretty tight.  So you can keep the .mdb and the .mdw at
an 'unavailable' location.

I've used Access User Level security quite a bit, I don't find it difficult
at all (partly due to so many similarities between it and NT security).
However, it is a pretty fallible system.  With enough time and resources,
and it can be cracked.  Actually for $40 (last time I checked), you can
crack any .mdb, as long as you have a copy of the .mdw with the
administrative accounts in it.  Even with a solid knowledge of Access User
Level security, you are still dependant upon the users ignorance for it to
be secure.  With what I was talking about with an ASP front end, you are
taking the level of security to a point where a SERIOUS hacker would be
required to get at whatever you want protected.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


But seriously there are some apps, like the HR apps (someone, I forget who,
wrote in about) where you want it real secure.

But even in that case, passwording the back end and maybe encrypting it,
with some additional restrictions in the front end like I use and then
making an mde would seem to do the trick without having to get mixed up in
all that mdw stuff.

Rocky

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From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> Hahahahahahahahahah....sorry.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> > Hi Rocky
> >
> > So why is JC's world so much different from yours and mine??
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > > Had to fool with it once on a legacy app and got around it.  But it
was
> a
> > > big PITA.
> >
> > > I generally roll my own by having the user log in with a password.
They
> get
> > > one of three levels of access to the whole system - 1) read only, 2)
> > > read/write, 3) admin.  I put their access level in a global variable.
> Each
> > > form has to check the access level then to see if they are allowed to
do
> a
> > > certain function.  So far, the three levels have been adequate and no
> one
> > > except for one client has wanted function of field level control.
> >
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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Fri Nov 14 14:11:19 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:11:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Problem: subtotaling time (long email)
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873063952C2@corp-es00>

Gustav-
If you ever decide to put all your code solutions into a book ("Gustav's
Goodies"?) I'll be first in line to buy it. Thanks for a ton of useful code
over the years.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problem: subtotaling time (long email)


Hi Bob

Use DateDiff("n", datStart, datStop) to calculate the time difference
in minutes (assuming you are ignoring seconds). Sum those minutes as
your subtotal. 

Then you can use a function like this to calculate a pseudo time:

<code>

Function TimeHour(ByVal curHMS As Currency) As Date

' Rounds and converts curHMS (number of hours as decimalnumber).
' Returns a time value, hh:nn:ss.
' Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS.
' 1999-08-12.

  Dim lngH As Long
  Dim lngM As Long
  Dim lngS As Long
  Dim curR As Currency
  
  ' No error handling needed.
  On Error Resume Next
  
  ' Round to two decimals, and skip number of days if curHMS > 24.
  ' If day count is needed, omit modulus like this:
  ' curHMS = (CLng(curHMS * 10000) / 100 * 36) ' Mod 86400
  curHMS = (CLng(curHMS * 10000) / 100 * 36) Mod 86400
  
  ' Calculate hours, minutes, and seconds.
  lngH = Int(curHMS / 3600)
  curR = curHMS - (lngH * 3600)
  lngM = Int(curR / 60)
  curR = curR - (lngM * 60)
  lngS = CInt(curR)
  
  ' Create time value.
  TimeHour = TimeSerial(lngH, lngM, lngS)

End Function

</code>

Finally, format the returned date/time value as you like, say:

  strTimeDiff = Format(datTimeDiff, "hh:nn")

or simply specify this format for the textbox in the report.

/gustav


> I cannot figure out how to add time.

> I have a database that tracks responses for emergency services providers.

> Table and report details are below. I'm trying to create a report showing
> each provider's responses, sorted and subtotaled by major class types and
> then minor class types, with the time of each incident shown AND
subtotaled.
> I have no problem with the report EXCEPT that I cannot subtotal the time
> (the "Time = " and "Total Time = " fields).

> I suspect that the problem may be that I am using a formatted field
> (TimeDiff), and cannot add the data because they are now string values. If
> anyone can help steer me in a better direction, I would be extremely
> grateful!

> TIA,

> Bob Gajewski

> *************************************************************
> DATABASE DETAILS:

> tblEmployees
>         EmployeeID (PK)
>         EmployeeName

> tblMajorClass
>         MajorClassID (PK)
>         MajorClassName

> tblMinorClass
>         MinorClassID (PK)
>         MinorClassName

> tblIncidents
>         IncidentID (PK)
>         MajorClassID (FK)
>                 (has "Call" or "Drill")
>         MinorClassID (FK)
>                 (for "Call", has "Fire" or "EMS")
>                 (for "Drill", has "Internal" or "External")
>         DispatchTime
>         InServiceTime

> tblResponses
>         ResponseID (PK)
>         IncidentID (FK)
>         EmployeeID (FK)

> The report (rptEmployeeResponse) has the following:

>         Sorting & Grouping:
>                 EmployeeName (Ascending)
>                         Group Header = Yes
>                         Group Footer = Yes
>                         Group On = Each Value
>                 MajorClassName (Ascending)
>                         Group Header = Yes
>                         Group Footer = Yes
>                         Group On = Each Value
>                 MinorClassName (Ascending)
>                         Group Header = Yes
>                         Group Footer = Yes
>                         Group On = Each Value
>                 IncidentID
>                         Group Header = No
>                         Group Footer = No
>                         Group On = Each Value

>         SQL Statement (QBE)
>                 EmployeeName (GroupBy)
>                 MajorClass (GroupBy)
>                 MinorClass (GroupBy)
>                 IncidentID (Count) - from tblResponses!
>                 DispatchTime (GroupBy)
>                 InServiceTime (GroupBy)
>                 TimeDiff (GroupBy)
>                         TimeDiff:
IIf([InServiceTime]>>[DispatchTime],Format([InServiceTime]-[DispatchTime]),"
S
> hort Time"),Format(DateAdd("d",1,[InServiceTime])-[DispatchTime]),"Short
> Time"))

>         Sample Output:


> Brown, Joe
>         Calls
>                 EMS
>                         001     11:00   13:59   2:59
>                         003     09:13   10:29   1:16
>                 Count = 2               Time = 4:15

>                 Fire
>                         002     23:04   01:41   2:37
>                         004     11:42   12:02   0:20
>                         005     04:30   05:58   1:28
>                 Count = 3               Time = 4:25

>         Total Count = 5 Total Time = 8:40


>         Drills
>                 External
>                         001     11:00   12:00   1:00
>                         003     09:00   10:30   1:30
>                 Count = 2               Time = 2:30

>                 EMS
>                         002     19:00   21:30   2:30
>                         004     11:00   12:00   1:00
>                         005     09:30   11:00   1:30
>                 Count = 3               Time = 5:00

>         Total Count = 5 Total Time = 7:30

> {Next Employee ....}

> Counts and times are only totaled per employee; there is no aggregate
grand
> total.

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov 15 03:45:16 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:45:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Problem: subtotaling time (long email)
In-Reply-To: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873063952C2@corp-es00>
References: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873063952C2@corp-es00>
Message-ID: <833226809.20031115104516@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Thank you! However, to share ideas and code, isn't that what the list
is about? 

About a book - where would I find the time? Long time ago I promised
Susan to contribute to some articles but haven't been able to locate a
free spot in the stuffed calendar ...

By the way, I haven't bought a single book on Access development
except for those accompanying Access 1.0, 2.0 and 97 developer
versions (those were the days of printed documentation, sigh).
Everything else is from the on-line help (up to and including A97),
searching the net (many nice sites are related to Access development),
and, of course, our list.
But with the evolving use of XML and web services it may be about time
to visit the bookstore.

/gustav


> Gustav-
> If you ever decide to put all your code solutions into a book ("Gustav's
> Goodies"?) I'll be first in line to buy it. Thanks for a ton of useful code
> over the years.
> Jim Hale


From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Sat Nov 15 09:37:15 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:37:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Problem: subtotaling time (long email)
References: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873063952C2@corp-es00>
	<833226809.20031115104516@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002d01c3ab8e$a8361c10$210110ac@SUSANONE>

> About a book - where would I find the time? Long time ago I promised
> Susan to contribute to some articles but haven't been able to locate a
> free spot in the stuffed calendar ...

=========Don't quit your day job. :( Market's bad -- but seems to be coming
back. Someone adopt me please! ;)

Susan H.


From starkey at wanadoo.nl  Sat Nov 15 14:37:28 2003
From: starkey at wanadoo.nl (StaRKeY)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:37:28 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter
Message-ID: <LBEOIIMDLCKFLLKNJCMECEFBCLAA.starkey@wanadoo.nl>

Hi All,

I have a question about the 'allowbypasskey' property and in specific the
4th parameter when creating it (DDL).

It is mentioned that having set this parameter to 'True' only admins are
able to change the 'Allowbypasskey' property. Ofcourse this is nice to know
but my question is: if one uses an empty Access DB with the default
system.mdw and thus being an admin wouldn't it be possible to change the
property from within this new database?


TIA,
Eric Starkenburg

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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Sat Nov 15 14:54:38 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:54:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter
In-Reply-To: <LBEOIIMDLCKFLLKNJCMECEFBCLAA.starkey@wanadoo.nl>
Message-ID: <PBEDKHOENPLNGHCEPCDPIEMBDEAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>

Yes, In order to keep them from changing the property you will need to
revoke admin rights from every user and group in your db.

Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com

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Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 3:37 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors. com
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Hi All,

I have a question about the 'allowbypasskey' property and in specific the
4th parameter when creating it (DDL).

It is mentioned that having set this parameter to 'True' only admins are
able to change the 'Allowbypasskey' property. Ofcourse this is nice to know
but my question is: if one uses an empty Access DB with the default
system.mdw and thus being an admin wouldn't it be possible to change the
property from within this new database?


TIA,
Eric Starkenburg

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From starkey at wanadoo.nl  Sat Nov 15 15:35:54 2003
From: starkey at wanadoo.nl (StaRKeY)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:35:54 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter
In-Reply-To: <PBEDKHOENPLNGHCEPCDPIEMBDEAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <LBEOIIMDLCKFLLKNJCMEMEFBCLAA.starkey@wanadoo.nl>

Thank you for the reply Robert.

Robert, I won't be able to prevend them these rights in their own newly
created empty database. So my guess is that the 4th parameter is nice but
not sufficient since from within this new empty database one would be able
to change the property of the 'secured' database or am I missing something?


Regards,
Eric

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robert Gracie
Sent: zaterdag 15 november 2003 21:55
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Yes, In order to keep them from changing the property you will need to
revoke admin rights from every user and group in your db.

Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com

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Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 3:37 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors. com
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Hi All,

I have a question about the 'allowbypasskey' property and in specific the
4th parameter when creating it (DDL).

It is mentioned that having set this parameter to 'True' only admins are
able to change the 'Allowbypasskey' property. Ofcourse this is nice to know
but my question is: if one uses an empty Access DB with the default
system.mdw and thus being an admin wouldn't it be possible to change the
property from within this new database?


TIA,
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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Sat Nov 15 18:01:33 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:01:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter
In-Reply-To: <LBEOIIMDLCKFLLKNJCMEMEFBCLAA.starkey@wanadoo.nl>
Message-ID: <PBEDKHOENPLNGHCEPCDPIEMDDEAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>


Eric,
 Ah yes, I see now... Nope your out of luck... but I guess you know that the
db is not really going to be secure...

You have read the "SECFAQ97" White papers correct?



Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of StaRKeY
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Thank you for the reply Robert.

Robert, I won't be able to prevend them these rights in their own newly
created empty database. So my guess is that the 4th parameter is nice but
not sufficient since from within this new empty database one would be able
to change the property of the 'secured' database or am I missing something?


Regards,
Eric

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robert Gracie
Sent: zaterdag 15 november 2003 21:55
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Yes, In order to keep them from changing the property you will need to
revoke admin rights from every user and group in your db.

Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com

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Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 3:37 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors. com
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Hi All,

I have a question about the 'allowbypasskey' property and in specific the
4th parameter when creating it (DDL).

It is mentioned that having set this parameter to 'True' only admins are
able to change the 'Allowbypasskey' property. Ofcourse this is nice to know
but my question is: if one uses an empty Access DB with the default
system.mdw and thus being an admin wouldn't it be possible to change the
property from within this new database?


TIA,
Eric Starkenburg

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From starkey at wanadoo.nl  Sun Nov 16 14:01:28 2003
From: starkey at wanadoo.nl (StaRKeY)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:01:28 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter
In-Reply-To: <PBEDKHOENPLNGHCEPCDPIEMDDEAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <LBEOIIMDLCKFLLKNJCMEEEFDCLAA.starkey@wanadoo.nl>

Well actually I haven't been reading for a long time. After you mentioned
this doc I started reading it but there's nothing I didn't already know.
Usually I don't make use of the workgroup file because I find a user-defined
security more flexible and easier to maintain. Code protection is not the
issue for me and on the other hand I do not really want to use the 'owner
permission' stuff. The shift-key feature is enough in combination with an
mde though it would be nicer to have it locked tight. I guess this is where
VB steps in;-)

Thanks,
Eric Starkenburg

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Sent: zondag 16 november 2003 01:02
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter



Eric,
 Ah yes, I see now... Nope your out of luck... but I guess you know that the
db is not really going to be secure...

You have read the "SECFAQ97" White papers correct?



Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of StaRKeY
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Thank you for the reply Robert.

Robert, I won't be able to prevend them these rights in their own newly
created empty database. So my guess is that the 4th parameter is nice but
not sufficient since from within this new empty database one would be able
to change the property of the 'secured' database or am I missing something?


Regards,
Eric

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: zaterdag 15 november 2003 21:55
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Yes, In order to keep them from changing the property you will need to
revoke admin rights from every user and group in your db.

Robert Gracie
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To: AccessD at databaseadvisors. com
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Hi All,

I have a question about the 'allowbypasskey' property and in specific the
4th parameter when creating it (DDL).

It is mentioned that having set this parameter to 'True' only admins are
able to change the 'Allowbypasskey' property. Ofcourse this is nice to know
but my question is: if one uses an empty Access DB with the default
system.mdw and thus being an admin wouldn't it be possible to change the
property from within this new database?


TIA,
Eric Starkenburg

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From michael.broesdorf at web.de  Sun Nov 16 16:24:19 2003
From: michael.broesdorf at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michael_Br=F6sdorf?=)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:24:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Transparent images on an Access form?
In-Reply-To: <LBEOIIMDLCKFLLKNJCMEEEFDCLAA.starkey@wanadoo.nl>
Message-ID: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHKEFKEOAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>

Dear group,

is MS Access 2K able to display GIF-files with a transparent background?
I want to create a form with an Background image (JPG). The buttons will be
separate GIF-images created with Photoshop. These buttons are essentially
text with transparent background. In Photoshop it looks fine (including the
transparency).
But if I put those buttons on the Access form, their background appears
white.

Can't Access handle transparency or am I doing something wrong here?

TIA,


Michael


From michael.broesdorf at web.de  Sun Nov 16 16:37:07 2003
From: michael.broesdorf at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michael_Br=F6sdorf?=)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:37:07 +0100
Subject: AW: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227579@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHCEFLEOAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>

Hi,

I didn't read the whole thread, so please forgive me if I repeat things.
It is not too complicated to apply user security to both FE and BE (plus,
you can always
lock up the FE by converting it into an MDE). The main problem with Access
security is the mdw.
There is a couple of programs out there that can simply read all user names
and passwords
from an MDW file. AFAIK there is no way to avoid that.
So, with an Access BE the only option would be to ship an MDW that does not
contain a user account
that allows access to sensitive information. But that doesn't make sense
anyway if someone is
supposed to actually work with the db ;-)

Maybe encrypting data with a user defined function in the MDE(!) is an
option. The BE would than contain
only encrypted data. Anyone with the right tools could read the data, but
that would be useles unless
they know how to do crypt-analysis - just a thought...

HTH,

Michael




-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Drew Wutka
Gesendet: Freitag, 14. November 2003 19:08
An: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Betreff: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I think you're agreeing with me. <grin>

The problem with a BE though, is that if it's an .mdb, it has to be
accessible by the user, in order for an Access (or even VB) FE to use it.
You're right, if you go with a server side db, like Oracle or SQL, then you
have that security in place, but even that stuff isn't unbreakable.  The ASP
FE let's you use an .mdb as a backend, but since it doesn't need to be
accessible by the user, it is pretty 'tight' security.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Drew:

That is the whole issue surround Access security, is that a fully exposed
MDB is very hackable. If the DB can be hidden behind a ASP FE or simply
replaced with another remote BE, some other SQL, the whole security issue is
non-starter and hardly has to be addresses at all.

In my humble opinion.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Actually, an .mdb can be made VERY secure by using ASP as a front end.  The
problem with using Access or even VB for a front end, is that you need to
have direct access to the back end.  So if user XYZ is logged on, XYZ needs
permission to have direct Access to the .mdb AND the .mdw.  However, if you
use ASP as the Front End, so the user is using their browser to access the
db, then the users can be completely stripped of access to the .mdb itself.
In fact, if you store the .mdb on the IIS server, and you don't even have to
have share access to it.  Sure, you're then relying on NT security, but you
can button that down pretty tight.  So you can keep the .mdb and the .mdw at
an 'unavailable' location.

I've used Access User Level security quite a bit, I don't find it difficult
at all (partly due to so many similarities between it and NT security).
However, it is a pretty fallible system.  With enough time and resources,
and it can be cracked.  Actually for $40 (last time I checked), you can
crack any .mdb, as long as you have a copy of the .mdw with the
administrative accounts in it.  Even with a solid knowledge of Access User
Level security, you are still dependant upon the users ignorance for it to
be secure.  With what I was talking about with an ASP front end, you are
taking the level of security to a point where a SERIOUS hacker would be
required to get at whatever you want protected.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


But seriously there are some apps, like the HR apps (someone, I forget who,
wrote in about) where you want it real secure.

But even in that case, passwording the back end and maybe encrypting it,
with some additional restrictions in the front end like I use and then
making an mde would seem to do the trick without having to get mixed up in
all that mdw stuff.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> Hahahahahahahahahah....sorry.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> > Hi Rocky
> >
> > So why is JC's world so much different from yours and mine??
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > > Had to fool with it once on a legacy app and got around it.  But it
was
> a
> > > big PITA.
> >
> > > I generally roll my own by having the user log in with a password.
They
> get
> > > one of three levels of access to the whole system - 1) read only, 2)
> > > read/write, 3) admin.  I put their access level in a global variable.
> Each
> > > form has to check the access level then to see if they are allowed to
do
> a
> > > certain function.  So far, the three levels have been adequate and no
> one
> > > except for one client has wanted function of field level control.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From hadyn at dataconcepts.co.nz  Sun Nov 16 16:49:25 2003
From: hadyn at dataconcepts.co.nz (Hadyn Morgan)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:49:25 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Custom Help File Integration
Message-ID: <DCEDLLKBLHGDEGDGJBJIOEEICPAA.hadyn@dataconcepts.co.nz>

We have created a custom help file for an A2K database.  The database is
distributed using Wise and Sagekey scripts.  The A2K help says that 2
properties are required to integrate custom help: HelpFile and
HelpContextID.
The HelpFile property is supposed to be a fully qualified path to a Help
file.  Only problem is we don't know where the user will install it to.

Does anybody have have any experience with integrating help files that can
give a few pointers/tips?

Kind regards
Hadyn

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Nov 16 17:16:24 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:16:24 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Protect MDW (was POLL: Access Security)
In-Reply-To: <16256252.1069022412694.JavaMail.root@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <000201c3ac97$a79dc640$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Michael,

I tested a situation once where I was able to put the .mdw file (not
system.mdw) into a separate folder on a server, where this folder had
network security applied so that the only people who could open the folder
directly were network administrators.  Each user had a shortcut on their
desktop which listed the full paths to the Access file, the .mdb file, and
the .mdw file.  The user was able to open the database, security worked
correctly, but they couldn't get at the .mdw file.

I never found any documentation for this, and I've only tested this setup at
one location so far.  I'll try it again next chance I get.

Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Br?sdorf
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 4:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: AW: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Hi,

I didn't read the whole thread, so please forgive me if I repeat things. It
is not too complicated to apply user security to both FE and BE (plus, you
can always lock up the FE by converting it into an MDE). The main problem
with Access security is the mdw. There is a couple of programs out there
that can simply read all user names and passwords from an MDW file. AFAIK
there is no way to avoid that. So, with an Access BE the only option would
be to ship an MDW that does not contain a user account that allows access to
sensitive information. But that doesn't make sense anyway if someone is
supposed to actually work with the db ;-)

Maybe encrypting data with a user defined function in the MDE(!) is an
option. The BE would than contain only encrypted data. Anyone with the right
tools could read the data, but that would be useles unless they know how to
do crypt-analysis - just a thought...

HTH,

Michael




-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Drew Wutka
Gesendet: Freitag, 14. November 2003 19:08
An: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Betreff: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I think you're agreeing with me. <grin>

The problem with a BE though, is that if it's an .mdb, it has to be
accessible by the user, in order for an Access (or even VB) FE to use it.
You're right, if you go with a server side db, like Oracle or SQL, then you
have that security in place, but even that stuff isn't unbreakable.  The ASP
FE let's you use an .mdb as a backend, but since it doesn't need to be
accessible by the user, it is pretty 'tight' security.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Drew:

That is the whole issue surround Access security, is that a fully exposed
MDB is very hackable. If the DB can be hidden behind a ASP FE or simply
replaced with another remote BE, some other SQL, the whole security issue is
non-starter and hardly has to be addresses at all.

In my humble opinion.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Actually, an .mdb can be made VERY secure by using ASP as a front end.  The
problem with using Access or even VB for a front end, is that you need to
have direct access to the back end.  So if user XYZ is logged on, XYZ needs
permission to have direct Access to the .mdb AND the .mdw.  However, if you
use ASP as the Front End, so the user is using their browser to access the
db, then the users can be completely stripped of access to the .mdb itself.
In fact, if you store the .mdb on the IIS server, and you don't even have to
have share access to it.  Sure, you're then relying on NT security, but you
can button that down pretty tight.  So you can keep the .mdb and the .mdw at
an 'unavailable' location.

I've used Access User Level security quite a bit, I don't find it difficult
at all (partly due to so many similarities between it and NT security).
However, it is a pretty fallible system.  With enough time and resources,
and it can be cracked.  Actually for $40 (last time I checked), you can
crack any .mdb, as long as you have a copy of the .mdw with the
administrative accounts in it.  Even with a solid knowledge of Access User
Level security, you are still dependant upon the users ignorance for it to
be secure.  With what I was talking about with an ASP front end, you are
taking the level of security to a point where a SERIOUS hacker would be
required to get at whatever you want protected.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


But seriously there are some apps, like the HR apps (someone, I forget who,
wrote in about) where you want it real secure.

But even in that case, passwording the back end and maybe encrypting it,
with some additional restrictions in the front end like I use and then
making an mde would seem to do the trick without having to get mixed up in
all that mdw stuff.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> Hahahahahahahahahah....sorry.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> > Hi Rocky
> >
> > So why is JC's world so much different from yours and mine??
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > > Had to fool with it once on a legacy app and got around it.  But 
> > > it
was
> a
> > > big PITA.
> >
> > > I generally roll my own by having the user log in with a password.
They
> get
> > > one of three levels of access to the whole system - 1) read only, 
> > > 2) read/write, 3) admin.  I put their access level in a global 
> > > variable.
> Each
> > > form has to check the access level then to see if they are allowed 
> > > to
do
> a
> > > certain function.  So far, the three levels have been adequate and 
> > > no
> one
> > > except for one client has wanted function of field level control.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Sun Nov 16 18:19:50 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:19:50 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Transparent images on an Access form?
References: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHKEFKEOAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>
Message-ID: <00c701c3aca0$876edb80$3c619a89@DDICK>

Hi Michael

No

That's what I have discovered. Access XP may be different.
So what I have to do when this sort of 'look' comes up is go with a white background.

Sorry

The gurus may have an alternative though

Darren

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Br?sdorf" <michael.broesdorf at web.de>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:24 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Transparent images on an Access form?


> Dear group,
>
> is MS Access 2K able to display GIF-files with a transparent background?
> I want to create a form with an Background image (JPG). The buttons will be
> separate GIF-images created with Photoshop. These buttons are essentially
> text with transparent background. In Photoshop it looks fine (including the
> transparency).
> But if I put those buttons on the Access form, their background appears
> white.
>
> Can't Access handle transparency or am I doing something wrong here?
>
> TIA,
>
>
> Michael
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From michael.broesdorf at web.de  Mon Nov 17 01:41:02 2003
From: michael.broesdorf at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michael_Br=F6sdorf?=)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:41:02 +0100
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Transparent images on an Access form?
In-Reply-To: <00c701c3aca0$876edb80$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHMEFMEOAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>

Found something that works on Google
(http://groups.google.de/groups?hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=comp.databases.ms-a
ccess):


Here are 2 solutions:

(A)
1) Load and convert the desired Image as a Transparent Gif file.
Save the converted Image to disk as you would normally.

2) Open Microsoft Word. Menu-_Insert->Picture->From File
Browse to your converted Image you previously saved and select it.

3) After the Image appears on the page Click once on the Image to select
it.

4) Right click and select Copy from the Popup menu or click on the
ToolBar to select COPY

5) Open an Access Form and Select Paste from the Menu or ToolBar. The
Image is pasted as an unbound OLE frame.

6) On the Access Form-Format menu select Change To->Image control.

7) Change the new converted Image control's Back Style Prop to
Transparent.

(B)

http://www.lebans.com/transparent.htm



(A) actually does the job!!

Michael


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Darren DICK
Gesendet: Montag, 17. November 2003 01:20
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Transparent images on an Access form?


Hi Michael

No

That's what I have discovered. Access XP may be different.
So what I have to do when this sort of 'look' comes up is go with a white
background.

Sorry

The gurus may have an alternative though

Darren

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Br?sdorf" <michael.broesdorf at web.de>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:24 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Transparent images on an Access form?


> Dear group,
>
> is MS Access 2K able to display GIF-files with a transparent background?
> I want to create a form with an Background image (JPG). The buttons will
be
> separate GIF-images created with Photoshop. These buttons are essentially
> text with transparent background. In Photoshop it looks fine (including
the
> transparency).
> But if I put those buttons on the Access form, their background appears
> white.
>
> Can't Access handle transparency or am I doing something wrong here?
>
> TIA,
>
>
> Michael
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov 17 03:35:13 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:35:13 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <GOEIJOAPGAMPLIOCMEPMGEDPCMAA.sgoodhall@comcast.net>
References: <GOEIJOAPGAMPLIOCMEPMGEDPCMAA.sgoodhall@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1618747858.20031117103513@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Dealing with security, Anthony D'Ambra today released some tips, links
and tools for this in his November newsletter:

  http://www.aadconsulting.com/news.html

Browse a page down to:

  Special Feature: Access Security

/gustav


From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Nov 17 09:35:23 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:35:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Custom Help File Integration
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD791D@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

As the application is installed using Wise/Sagekey you at least have control
over what groups of files are installed to the folder chosen by the user,
including the help file(s). So just arrange for them all to be copied to the
same folder as the MDB/MDE file. 

Having done that you can set the Help File property of all you forms to a
function

[ =FunctionName() ]

and have the function return the path to the current database
(CurrentDb.Name with the file name stripped off.).

That should do it.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Hadyn Morgan [SMTP:hadyn at dataconcepts.co.nz]
> Sent:	Sunday, November 16, 2003 5:49 PM
> To:	AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Custom Help File Integration
> 
> We have created a custom help file for an A2K database.  The database is
> distributed using Wise and Sagekey scripts.  The A2K help says that 2
> properties are required to integrate custom help: HelpFile and
> HelpContextID.
> The HelpFile property is supposed to be a fully qualified path to a Help
> file.  Only problem is we don't know where the user will install it to.
> 
> Does anybody have have any experience with integrating help files that can
> give a few pointers/tips?
> 
> Kind regards
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From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:53:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Open an Access report from ASP.Net
Message-ID: <20031117155350.80944.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com>

Is there a way to open (print) an Access report from an ASP page?
 
Here's a big thanks in advance to the Guru that comes up with this one. 





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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Nov 17 10:14:52 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:14:52 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Open an Access report from ASP.Net
References: <20031117155350.80944.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003001c3ad25$eeb23f00$9111758f@aine>

http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/042600-1.shtml

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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 17 10:26:44 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:26:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Open an Access report from ASP.Net
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Martin, you are da man. Thanks for the prompt response.


Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote: http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/042600-1.shtml

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 17 11:40:37 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:40:37 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Custom Help File Integration
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312449@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

We put our help files in the application folder.  Then it's easy to use
something like CurrentProject.Path to get the folder.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hadyn Morgan [mailto:hadyn at dataconcepts.co.nz] 
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 2:49 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Custom Help File Integration


We have created a custom help file for an A2K database.  The database is
distributed using Wise and Sagekey scripts.  The A2K help says that 2
properties are required to integrate custom help: HelpFile and
HelpContextID. The HelpFile property is supposed to be a fully qualified
path to a Help file.  Only problem is we don't know where the user will
install it to.

Does anybody have have any experience with integrating help files that
can give a few pointers/tips?

Kind regards
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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 17 12:41:34 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:41:34 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
Message-ID: <Sea1-F144DLTQA6QTIg0000c214@hotmail.com>

I've got a seemingly stupid question, but I can't figure it out.  I've got a 
form that collects a staff member's first and last name and uses that 
combination as a primary key (unfortunately, no one can remember their 
employee ID and we don't collect SSN or anything unique they could enter).  
If they violate the exclusivity of that first/last name combination, they 
get the convoluted error message that Access puts out which only serves to 
confuse.  Is there a way for me to replace that message with my own and, if 
so, how do I check for the violation and where would I put the error 
message?  At the moment it comes up when they click the "done" button, which 
seems like a good place.

Thanks,
Gina

p.s. Please don't chastise me for perceived primary key protocol violations.

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Nov 17 12:59:09 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:59:09 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Primary Key Violation
References: <Sea1-F144DLTQA6QTIg0000c214@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000901c3ad3c$e469ae40$260c6351@martin1>

Here we go again (<:

Sorry Gina its a sort of in joke.No  offense intended.

But out of interest we have three Martin Reids in work. How would you create
the PK then?

Martin

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gina Hoopes" <hoopesg at hotmail.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:41 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation


> I've got a seemingly stupid question, but I can't figure it out.  I've got
a
> form that collects a staff member's first and last name and uses that
> combination as a primary key (unfortunately, no one can remember their
> employee ID and we don't collect SSN or anything unique they could enter).
> If they violate the exclusivity of that first/last name combination, they
> get the convoluted error message that Access puts out which only serves to
> confuse.  Is there a way for me to replace that message with my own and,
if
> so, how do I check for the violation and where would I put the error
> message?  At the moment it comes up when they click the "done" button,
which
> seems like a good place.
>
> Thanks,
> Gina
>
> p.s. Please don't chastise me for perceived primary key protocol
violations.
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Mon Nov 17 13:02:55 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:02:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB92B@nnse14.nns.com>

Gina,

Without chastising...hope this helps.


Mark


> how do I check for the violation
Trap for error 2627, I believe.  If this is not the correct error number,
make the corrections in the code below.

> Is there a way for me to replace that message with my own
Yes.

> where would I put the error message?
In the error handler for the event.  Something along the lines of:

***************************************
   'A constant for the error number
   Const cErrDupPrimaryKey = 2627

FunctionExit:
   On Error Resume Next
   Exit Function

ErrHandler:
   Select Case Err.Number
      Case cErrDupPrimaryKey 2627
         'Insert your custom MsgBox here...
         MsgBox "Duplicate Primary Key.  Please re-enter." _
               , vbExclamation, "ErrHandler"
         Resume Next
      Case Else
         MsgBox "The application encountered an unexpected " & _
               "error #" & Err.Number & " with message string '" & _
               Err.Description & "'", _
               vbExclamation, "ErrHandler"
   End Select
   Resume FunctionExit
End Function
***************************************


-----Original Message-----
From: Gina Hoopes [mailto:hoopesg at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:42 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation


I've got a seemingly stupid question, but I can't figure it out.  I've got a

form that collects a staff member's first and last name and uses that 
combination as a primary key (unfortunately, no one can remember their 
employee ID and we don't collect SSN or anything unique they could enter).  
If they violate the exclusivity of that first/last name combination, they 
get the convoluted error message that Access puts out which only serves to 
confuse.  Is there a way for me to replace that message with my own and, if 
so, how do I check for the violation and where would I put the error 
message?  At the moment it comes up when they click the "done" button, which

seems like a good place.

Thanks,
Gina

p.s. Please don't chastise me for perceived primary key protocol violations.

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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 17 13:07:58 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:07:58 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation
Message-ID: <SEA1-F160JIsNZfccWj0000c4c2@hotmail.com>

No offense taken, Martin, I've seen the carnage.  Fortunately this is a 
one-time use db that I have to put together quickly and we don't have any 
staff members with the same name.  This time ...

Gina


From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Primary Key Violation
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:59:09 -0800


But out of interest we have three Martin Reids in work. How would you create
the PK then?

Martin

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Mon Nov 17 13:34:17 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:34:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
Message-ID: <20031117133417.776806128.serbach@new.rr.com>

Gina,

Since Access doesn't have an On Key Violation event, you could put code that handles it in the On Error event. The numeric code for Duplicate Key is 3022. The On Error event procedure has two parameters: DataErr, the error number, and Response, what you tell Access to do about the error. If you have a Select Case DataErr statement in your On Error event code, then you can trap for 3022 and present your own message. Then you can return acDataErrContinue to tell Access to short-circuit the normal duplicate key error message.

There's a good example of this in the Access 2000 Developer's Handbook by Getz, Litwin, and Gilbert.

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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> ------------Original Message------------
> From: Gina Hoopes <hoopesg at hotmail.com>
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Mon, Nov-17-2003 12:48 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
> 
> I've got a seemingly stupid question, but I can't figure it out.  I've got a 
> form that collects a staff member's first and last name and uses that 
> combination as a primary key (unfortunately, no one can remember their 
> employee ID and we don't collect SSN or anything unique they could enter).  
> If they violate the exclusivity of that first/last name combination, they 
> get the convoluted error message that Access puts out which only serves to 
> confuse.  Is there a way for me to replace that message with my own and, if 
> so, how do I check for the violation and where would I put the error 
> message?  At the moment it comes up when they click the "done" button, which 
> seems like a good place.
> 
> Thanks,
> Gina
> 
> p.s. Please don't chastise me for perceived primary key protocol violations.
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 17 13:34:08 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:34:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631244A@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Gina,

There is no such thing as a one-time use application, trust me.  If it
works, they'll want to keep using it.  Do yourself a favor and use an
artificial key rather than the staff names.  You can still create a
unique key with the name and something like their work phone number,
which you should surely be able to collect.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gina Hoopes [mailto:hoopesg at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation


No offense taken, Martin, I've seen the carnage.  Fortunately this is a 
one-time use db that I have to put together quickly and we don't have
any 
staff members with the same name.  This time ...

Gina


From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Primary Key Violation
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:59:09 -0800


But out of interest we have three Martin Reids in work. How would you
create the PK then?

Martin

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From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Mon Nov 17 13:40:02 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:40:02 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7CF8@EXCHMAIL>

Famous last words... 

;)

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gina Hoopes
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation


No offense taken, Martin, I've seen the carnage.  Fortunately this is a 
one-time use db that I have to put together quickly and we don't have any 
staff members with the same name.  This time ...

Gina


From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Primary Key Violation
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:59:09 -0800


But out of interest we have three Martin Reids in work. How would you create
the PK then?

Martin

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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 17 13:52:43 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:52:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
Message-ID: <Sea1-F80zFrYBiNc49J0000c29e@hotmail.com>

I am actually using an AutoNumber for an ID that links them to the other 
pertinent tables, but when they go to enter or edit their data, they don't 
know this number so if they've already put in their data and they attempt to 
do it again instead of editing what's already there, I can't ask them for 
anything but their name to check if they've already entered data.  I'm open 
to any better suggestions.

Thanks for your help,
Gina


From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:34:08 -0800

Gina,

There is no such thing as a one-time use application, trust me.  If it
works, they'll want to keep using it.  Do yourself a favor and use an
artificial key rather than the staff names.  You can still create a
unique key with the name and something like their work phone number,
which you should surely be able to collect.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gina Hoopes [mailto:hoopesg at hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation


No offense taken, Martin, I've seen the carnage.  Fortunately this is a
one-time use db that I have to put together quickly and we don't have
any
staff members with the same name.  This time ...

Gina

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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 17 14:41:29 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:41:29 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-F80zFrYBiNc49J0000c29e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEBNENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Gina,
Not sure I understand everything you're doing here but here's a couple of
ideas:
present a listbox or combobox of existing names to choose from, If they
can't find it then let them add a new name.

If their name exists make them use a middle intial. If that exists make them
use the full middle name, if that exists make them add their lucky number to
the end, if that doesn't work then make them add their...
:o)

If this is on their personal PCs add a column to the table which holds their
windows login then use that to identify them if its present and then present
their full name on the screen in a form they can relate to. (lookup their
name for them based on windows login). If the login is not present then make
them enter a new name.

HTH
John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gina Hoopes
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:53 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
>
>
> I am actually using an AutoNumber for an ID that links them to the other
> pertinent tables, but when they go to enter or edit their data,
> they don't
> know this number so if they've already put in their data and they
> attempt to
> do it again instead of editing what's already there, I can't ask them for
> anything but their name to check if they've already entered data.
>  I'm open
> to any better suggestions.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Gina
>
>
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation
> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:34:08 -0800
>
> Gina,
>
> There is no such thing as a one-time use application, trust me.  If it
> works, they'll want to keep using it.  Do yourself a favor and use an
> artificial key rather than the staff names.  You can still create a
> unique key with the name and something like their work phone number,
> which you should surely be able to collect.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gina Hoopes [mailto:hoopesg at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:08 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation
>
>
> No offense taken, Martin, I've seen the carnage.  Fortunately this is a
> one-time use db that I have to put together quickly and we don't have
> any
> staff members with the same name.  This time ...
>
> Gina
>
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From SP1KEMAG00 at aol.com  Mon Nov 17 14:54:17 2003
From: SP1KEMAG00 at aol.com (SP1KEMAG00)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:54:17 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter
In-Reply-To: <LBEOIIMDLCKFLLKNJCMEEEFDCLAA.starkey@wanadoo.nl>
Message-ID: <002101c3ad4c$f9746360$9170bdac@mycomputer>

I've disabled the shift-key completely on a couple of my more recents
dbs and either used a separate admin file to lock/unlock the file and/or
built in some sort of backdoor (typically only available to my logon
id).

This has been more out of interest than to stop noisy users though - I'm
not sure there's any that even know about the shift-key let alone
anything with any tighter security!

Shaun

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of StaRKeY
Sent: 16 November 2003 20:01
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Well actually I haven't been reading for a long time. After you
mentioned this doc I started reading it but there's nothing I didn't
already know. Usually I don't make use of the workgroup file because I
find a user-defined security more flexible and easier to maintain. Code
protection is not the issue for me and on the other hand I do not really
want to use the 'owner permission' stuff. The shift-key feature is
enough in combination with an mde though it would be nicer to have it
locked tight. I guess this is where VB steps in;-)

Thanks,
Eric Starkenburg

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robert Gracie
Sent: zondag 16 november 2003 01:02
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter



Eric,
 Ah yes, I see now... Nope your out of luck... but I guess you know that
the db is not really going to be secure...

You have read the "SECFAQ97" White papers correct?



Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of StaRKeY
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Thank you for the reply Robert.

Robert, I won't be able to prevend them these rights in their own newly
created empty database. So my guess is that the 4th parameter is nice
but not sufficient since from within this new empty database one would
be able to change the property of the 'secured' database or am I missing
something?


Regards,
Eric

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robert Gracie
Sent: zaterdag 15 november 2003 21:55
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Yes, In order to keep them from changing the property you will need to
revoke admin rights from every user and group in your db.

Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com

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Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 3:37 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors. com
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Hi All,

I have a question about the 'allowbypasskey' property and in specific
the 4th parameter when creating it (DDL).

It is mentioned that having set this parameter to 'True' only admins are
able to change the 'Allowbypasskey' property. Ofcourse this is nice to
know but my question is: if one uses an empty Access DB with the default
system.mdw and thus being an admin wouldn't it be possible to change the
property from within this new database?


TIA,
Eric Starkenburg

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov 17 15:00:59 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:00:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEBNENAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <010c01c3ad4d$e9e23930$210110ac@SUSANONE>

Or, how about avoiding the problem in the first place?

I'm assuming that the employee name is only entered once -- the first time
the employee encounters this particular application? Is there anyway you can
just enter all the employee names now -- and then just let them choose
theirs, as suggested below. Of course, that means someone must update the
database when a new employee is hired, but that's not that unusual.

Susan H.


> Gina,
> Not sure I understand everything you're doing here but here's a couple of
> ideas:
> present a listbox or combobox of existing names to choose from, If they
> can't find it then let them add a new name.
>
> If their name exists make them use a middle intial. If that exists make
them
> use the full middle name, if that exists make them add their lucky number
to
> the end, if that doesn't work then make them add their...
> :o)
>
> If this is on their personal PCs add a column to the table which holds
their
> windows login then use that to identify them if its present and then
present
> their full name on the screen in a form they can relate to. (lookup their
> name for them based on windows login). If the login is not present then
make
> them enter a new name.
>
> HTH
> John B.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gina Hoopes
> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
> >
> >
> > I am actually using an AutoNumber for an ID that links them to the other
> > pertinent tables, but when they go to enter or edit their data,
> > they don't
> > know this number so if they've already put in their data and they
> > attempt to
> > do it again instead of editing what's already there, I can't ask them
for
> > anything but their name to check if they've already entered data.
> >  I'm open
> > to any better suggestions.
> >
> > Thanks for your help,
> > Gina
> >
> >
> > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation
> > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:34:08 -0800
> >
> > Gina,
> >
> > There is no such thing as a one-time use application, trust me.  If it
> > works, they'll want to keep using it.  Do yourself a favor and use an
> > artificial key rather than the staff names.  You can still create a
> > unique key with the name and something like their work phone number,
> > which you should surely be able to collect.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gina Hoopes [mailto:hoopesg at hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:08 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation
> >
> >
> > No offense taken, Martin, I've seen the carnage.  Fortunately this is a
> > one-time use db that I have to put together quickly and we don't have
> > any
> > staff members with the same name.  This time ...
> >
> > Gina
> >
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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Mon Nov 17 14:03:56 2003
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:03:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Message-ID: <178810-220031111720356963@christopherhawkins.com>

Good morning! I just got a shiny new development box at work and I'm
excited. So far the only snag is that my install of Access 2003
doesn't seem to recognize the Visual SourceSafe 6.0d installed on the
same machine.  Ordinarily, Access would display a Source Safe item on
it's Tools menu. Mine does not.

Is there a registry hack or some such that I need to put in place to
make these two play nicely together?
 
-Christopher Hawkins-



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 17 15:41:42 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:41:42 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3F7@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

The VSS add-in for earlier versions came with the ODE.  Since there
isn't any such animal in 2003, I'm not sure where that leaves those of
us who use Source Safe.  It's an interesting question, though, and I
hope someone on the list will be able to answer the question before I
put 2003 on my machine.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:04 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS


Good morning! I just got a shiny new development box at work and I'm
excited. So far the only snag is that my install of Access 2003 doesn't
seem to recognize the Visual SourceSafe 6.0d installed on the same
machine.  Ordinarily, Access would display a Source Safe item on it's
Tools menu. Mine does not.

Is there a registry hack or some such that I need to put in place to
make these two play nicely together?
 
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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 17 16:34:13 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:34:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
Message-ID: <Sea1-F88C4wgKuu8FZg0000cce9@hotmail.com>

This is the perfect solution, John (the last part, I mean).  I can grab 
their user ID from their logon and that eliminates the need for them to 
enter it.  Thanks!!

Gina


From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:41:29 -0600

Gina,
Not sure I understand everything you're doing here but here's a couple of
ideas:
present a listbox or combobox of existing names to choose from, If they
can't find it then let them add a new name.

If their name exists make them use a middle intial. If that exists make them
use the full middle name, if that exists make them add their lucky number to
the end, if that doesn't work then make them add their...
:o)

If this is on their personal PCs add a column to the table which holds their
windows login then use that to identify them if its present and then present
their full name on the screen in a form they can relate to. (lookup their
name for them based on windows login). If the login is not present then make
them enter a new name.

HTH
John B.

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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Mon Nov 17 16:56:26 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:56:26 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] VSS Question
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01C75301@ccemail2.cce.local>

I just started using VSS with my ADP file (this does work by the way).
I'm wondering what I need to do when I release this to my users?  Is
there an easy way to disconnect my application from VSS?

--Susan


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Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568



From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 17 17:02:51 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:02:51 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-F88C4wgKuu8FZg0000cce9@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEIGFFAA.john@winhaven.net>

Glad I could help!

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gina Hoopes
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 4:34 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
> 
> 
> This is the perfect solution, John (the last part, I mean).  I can grab 
> their user ID from their logon and that eliminates the need for them to 
> enter it.  Thanks!!
> 
> Gina
> 
> 
> From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
> Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
> solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
> solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:41:29 -0600
> 
> Gina,
> Not sure I understand everything you're doing here but here's a couple of
> ideas:
> present a listbox or combobox of existing names to choose from, If they
> can't find it then let them add a new name.
> 
> If their name exists make them use a middle intial. If that 
> exists make them
> use the full middle name, if that exists make them add their 
> lucky number to
> the end, if that doesn't work then make them add their...
> :o)
> 
> If this is on their personal PCs add a column to the table which 
> holds their
> windows login then use that to identify them if its present and 
> then present
> their full name on the screen in a form they can relate to. (lookup their
> name for them based on windows login). If the login is not 
> present then make
> them enter a new name.
> 
> HTH
> John B.
> 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 17 17:02:32 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:02:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-F144DLTQA6QTIg0000c214@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEJNFLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Gina,

Not to chastise, but it is important to distinguish between "primary key"
and "unique index".

1) A unique index is an index set on one or more columns (fields) to prevent
entering the same data in that field or fields.

2) A primary key is used to fill foreign keys in child tables, which creates
the "link" between parent / child tables (records).

Understanding this, then understand that Access automatically sets up a
unique index on any field / set of fields used as a PK, i.e. has the key
symbol next to it / them.  So it often APPEARS that the PK is a unique
index, but they are in fact two completely different things.

I am not going to go into the natural vs artificial key thing, there is
ample coverage in the archives.

It appears from another message from you where you discuss an autonumber
field, that you are actually talking about a unique index, not a PK.  The
autonumber appears to be your PK (and has a unique index on it as well we
assume), and then you somehow created a unique index on the set of fields
(last name / first name) such that identical data cannot be entered in these
fields taken as a whole.

Now, to your problem.  There is no way to test for the unique index being
violated (identical info) until the point where you  attempt to store the
data.  At that point you see the errors you indicate generated by JET.
Other people have already discussed trapping the errors which is the "after
the fact" way of doing things.  Personally, I don't like that method because
it implies you have already entered a TON of data (address, birthday, sexual
preferences, etc. ad nausium) and this sorely pisses off the user to have to
enter all that stuff only to be told that it was already in there when at
the very end they try to save it.

It is therefore preferable to take the info in the unique index and "look it
up" somehow after just that much has been entered, in effect bypassing
entering anything that doesn't absolutely have to be entered.

One list member discussed the idea of a combo to see if it exists already.
That works well and is widely used.  Another way is to have a search screen
where wild cards can be used, particularly if they are entering names from
handwritten lists where spelling is suspect.  This allows getting a "set" of
records based on what is already entered, and visually inspecting the set to
see if the one desired is in it etc.

So my answer to you is no NOT let them get to the point where they get the
error, but rather use some form of search and if not found, then enter the
data.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gina Hoopes
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:42 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation


I've got a seemingly stupid question, but I can't figure it out.  I've got a
form that collects a staff member's first and last name and uses that
combination as a primary key (unfortunately, no one can remember their
employee ID and we don't collect SSN or anything unique they could enter).
If they violate the exclusivity of that first/last name combination, they
get the convoluted error message that Access puts out which only serves to
confuse.  Is there a way for me to replace that message with my own and, if
so, how do I check for the violation and where would I put the error
message?  At the moment it comes up when they click the "done" button, which
seems like a good place.

Thanks,
Gina

p.s. Please don't chastise me for perceived primary key protocol violations.

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 17 17:17:38 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:17:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] VSS Question
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631244E@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

With an mdb, you compact a copy out of the source safe version, and it
prompts you to see if you want to remove it from source safe.  I've
never tried it with an ADP, so maybe someone else can answer that
question.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 2:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] VSS Question


I just started using VSS with my ADP file (this does work by the way).
I'm wondering what I need to do when I release this to my users?  Is
there an easy way to disconnect my application from VSS?

--Susan


Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Mon Nov 17 17:40:30 2003
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:40:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Message-ID: <293910-2200311117234030708@christopherhawkins.com>

There is a "Visual Studio.NET Tools for Microsoft Office 2003", but
it does not appear to be anything like the ODE we have all come to
know.

I understand that MS has been helping SourceGear market it's Vault
product - a product that was specifically designed to be a
replacement for VSS.  I wonder if MS has given up on VSS?

-C-

---- Original Message ----
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:41:42 -0800

>The VSS add-in for earlier versions came with the ODE.  Since there
>isn't any such animal in 2003, I'm not sure where that leaves those 
>of
>us who use Source Safe.  It's an interesting question, though, and I
>hope someone on the list will be able to answer the question before I
>put 2003 on my machine.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com] 
>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:04 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>
>
>Good morning! I just got a shiny new development box at work and I'm
>excited. So far the only snag is that my install of Access 2003 
>doesn't
>seem to recognize the Visual SourceSafe 6.0d installed on the same
>machine.  Ordinarily, Access would display a Source Safe item on it's
>Tools menu. Mine does not.
>
>Is there a registry hack or some such that I need to put in place to
>make these two play nicely together?
> 
>-Christopher Hawkins-
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 17 17:46:06 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:46:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631244F@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

There's a specific set of tools for Access 2003 as well.  That may be
where the hooks are found.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 3:41 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS


There is a "Visual Studio.NET Tools for Microsoft Office 2003", but it
does not appear to be anything like the ODE we have all come to know.

I understand that MS has been helping SourceGear market it's Vault
product - a product that was specifically designed to be a replacement
for VSS.  I wonder if MS has given up on VSS?

-C-

---- Original Message ----
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:41:42 -0800

>The VSS add-in for earlier versions came with the ODE.  Since there 
>isn't any such animal in 2003, I'm not sure where that leaves those of
>us who use Source Safe.  It's an interesting question, though, and I
>hope someone on the list will be able to answer the question before I
>put 2003 on my machine.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:04 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>
>
>Good morning! I just got a shiny new development box at work and I'm 
>excited. So far the only snag is that my install of Access 2003 doesn't
>seem to recognize the Visual SourceSafe 6.0d installed on the same
>machine.  Ordinarily, Access would display a Source Safe item on it's
>Tools menu. Mine does not.
>
>Is there a registry hack or some such that I need to put in place to 
>make these two play nicely together?
> 
>-Christopher Hawkins-
>
>
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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Mon Nov 17 17:52:28 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:52:28 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] VSS Question
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01C75304@ccemail2.cce.local>

Thanks, Charlotte. That works with ADP file, too.

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 5:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] VSS Question


With an mdb, you compact a copy out of the source safe version, and it
prompts you to see if you want to remove it from source safe.  I've
never tried it with an ADP, so maybe someone else can answer that
question.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 2:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] VSS Question


I just started using VSS with my ADP file (this does work by the way).
I'm wondering what I need to do when I release this to my users?  Is
there an easy way to disconnect my application from VSS?

--Susan


Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568


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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Mon Nov 17 18:56:52 2003
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:56:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Message-ID: <245790-220031121805652173@christopherhawkins.com>

What tools are you referring to?  There must be a CD I haven't found
someplace in this MSN subscription.

-Christopher-

---- Original Message ----
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:46:06 -0800

>There's a specific set of tools for Access 2003 as well.  That may be
>where the hooks are found.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com] 
>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 3:41 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>
>
>There is a "Visual Studio.NET Tools for Microsoft Office 2003", but 
>it
>does not appear to be anything like the ODE we have all come to know.
>
>I understand that MS has been helping SourceGear market it's Vault
>product - a product that was specifically designed to be a 
>replacement
>for VSS.  I wonder if MS has given up on VSS?
>
>-C-
>
>---- Original Message ----
>From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:41:42 -0800
>
>>The VSS add-in for earlier versions came with the ODE.  Since there 
>>isn't any such animal in 2003, I'm not sure where that leaves those 
>of
>>us who use Source Safe.  It's an interesting question, though, and I
>>hope someone on the list will be able to answer the question before 
>I
>>put 2003 on my machine.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
>>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:04 PM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>>
>>
>>Good morning! I just got a shiny new development box at work and 
>I'm 
>>excited. So far the only snag is that my install of Access 2003 
>doesn't
>>seem to recognize the Visual SourceSafe 6.0d installed on the same
>>machine.  Ordinarily, Access would display a Source Safe item on 
>it's
>>Tools menu. Mine does not.
>>
>>Is there a registry hack or some such that I need to put in place 
>to 
>>make these two play nicely together?
>> 
>>-Christopher Hawkins-
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
>>_______________________________________________
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>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>
>
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>



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 17 19:23:03 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:23:03 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312450@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Access 2003 Developer Extensions, part of  Visual Studio Tools for the
Microsoft Office System
http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/office/technologyinfo/devtools/accessexten
sions/default.aspx


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 4:57 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS


What tools are you referring to?  There must be a CD I haven't found
someplace in this MSN subscription.

-Christopher-

---- Original Message ----
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:46:06 -0800

>There's a specific set of tools for Access 2003 as well.  That may be 
>where the hooks are found.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 3:41 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>
>
>There is a "Visual Studio.NET Tools for Microsoft Office 2003", but
>it
>does not appear to be anything like the ODE we have all come to know.
>
>I understand that MS has been helping SourceGear market it's Vault 
>product - a product that was specifically designed to be a replacement
>for VSS.  I wonder if MS has given up on VSS?
>
>-C-
>
>---- Original Message ----
>From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com,
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:41:42 -0800
>
>>The VSS add-in for earlier versions came with the ODE.  Since there
>>isn't any such animal in 2003, I'm not sure where that leaves those 
>of
>>us who use Source Safe.  It's an interesting question, though, and I 
>>hope someone on the list will be able to answer the question before
>I
>>put 2003 on my machine.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
>>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:04 PM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>>
>>
>>Good morning! I just got a shiny new development box at work and
>I'm
>>excited. So far the only snag is that my install of Access 2003
>doesn't
>>seem to recognize the Visual SourceSafe 6.0d installed on the same 
>>machine.  Ordinarily, Access would display a Source Safe item on
>it's
>>Tools menu. Mine does not.
>>
>>Is there a registry hack or some such that I need to put in place
>to
>>make these two play nicely together?
>> 
>>-Christopher Hawkins-
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>
>
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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Mon Nov 17 20:19:35 2003
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:19:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Message-ID: <410-220031121821935986@christopherhawkins.com>

Hm.  That's the same Visual Studio Tools package I installed on my
new machine, but I don't see Access Extensions anywhere.  Hm.  Time
for a reinstall!

-Christopher-

---- Original Message ----
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:23:03 -0800

>Access 2003 Developer Extensions, part of  Visual Studio Tools for 
>the
>Microsoft Office System
>http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/office/technologyinfo/devtools/accessex
>ten
>sions/default.aspx
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com] 
>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 4:57 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>
>
>What tools are you referring to?  There must be a CD I haven't found
>someplace in this MSN subscription.
>
>-Christopher-
>
>---- Original Message ----
>From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:46:06 -0800
>
>>There's a specific set of tools for Access 2003 as well.  That may 
>be 
>>where the hooks are found.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
>>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 3:41 PM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>>
>>
>>There is a "Visual Studio.NET Tools for Microsoft Office 2003", but
>>it
>>does not appear to be anything like the ODE we have all come to 
>know.
>>
>>I understand that MS has been helping SourceGear market it's Vault 
>>product - a product that was specifically designed to be a 
>replacement
>>for VSS.  I wonder if MS has given up on VSS?
>>
>>-C-
>>
>>---- Original Message ----
>>From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com,
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:41:42 -0800
>>
>>>The VSS add-in for earlier versions came with the ODE.  Since there
>>>isn't any such animal in 2003, I'm not sure where that leaves 
>those 
>>of
>>>us who use Source Safe.  It's an interesting question, though, and 
>I 
>>>hope someone on the list will be able to answer the question before
>>I
>>>put 2003 on my machine.
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
>>>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:04 PM
>>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>>Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>>>
>>>
>>>Good morning! I just got a shiny new development box at work and
>>I'm
>>>excited. So far the only snag is that my install of Access 2003
>>doesn't
>>>seem to recognize the Visual SourceSafe 6.0d installed on the same 
>>>machine.  Ordinarily, Access would display a Source Safe item on
>>it's
>>>Tools menu. Mine does not.
>>>
>>>Is there a registry hack or some such that I need to put in place
>>to
>>>make these two play nicely together?
>>> 
>>>-Christopher Hawkins-
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>AccessD mailing list
>>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>AccessD mailing list
>>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Mon Nov 17 20:48:16 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:48:16 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227577@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <019e01c3ad7e$6aeac080$3c619a89@DDICK>

Thanks Drew
I have passed this onto her

Have a great day

Darren

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 5:03 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser


> Certainly not impossible, but quite frankly, it would be easier to just use
> Terminal Server, Citrix, or Remote Administrator, then to go and create what
> would be a pretty complex ASP site.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser
> 
> 
> Hi Drew 
> Thanks for the reply
> I mean setting permissions, creating users and groups, changing passwords,
> etc,
> as you suggested.
> 
> Basically she would like interfacing with Access Security and totally
> managing, at every
> level via a browser, whatever you can manage whilst sitting directly in from
> of the System.mdw file
> 
> In relation to John Colby's Poll on Access Security I am a 14. Never touched
> the stuff and
> am vaguely aware that it exists. So if it seems I am asking the impossible
> because I don't know
> any better it's because...I don't know any better :-))
> 
> Many thanks for the reply
> 
> Darren
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 5:40 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser
> 
> 
> > What do you mean Darren.  Do you mean like setting permissions, creating
> > users and groups, changing passwords, etc?  Or simply logging into a
> secured
> > database?
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:48 PM
> > To: AccessD List
> > Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser
> > 
> > 
> > Hello all
> > I have a Web Developer friend asking me if anyone knows of some useful
> > URL's that will show how to or give examples of administering Access
> > security via a browser.
> > 
> > She has Access Security implemented and can administer it fine from the
> > local PC via the
> > 'normal' means, she just wants to do it via the web 
> > 
> > Many thanks in advance
> > 
> > Darren
> > 
> > 
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 17 21:41:52 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:41:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEIMFFAA.john@winhaven.net>

I need someone to unlock my brainjam!

"strNewEventName" is a string variable I need to insert in this statement
and after a half an hour I can't seem to get the syntax correct.

DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO tblEvent ( fldName, " & _
            "fldEvTypeID, fldOccur, fldLocation, " & _
            "fldDesc, fldDeptID, fldRecorded, " & _
            "fldStaffID ) " & _
            "SELECT strNewEventName AS fldName, tblEvent." & _
            "fldEvTypeID, tblEvent.fldOccur, tblEvent." & _
            "fldLocation, tblEvent.fldDesc, tblEvent." & _
            "fldDeptID, tblEvent.fldRecorded, " & _
            "tblEvent.fldStaffID " & _
            "FROM tblEvent;"

TIA
JB



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov 17 21:53:19 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:53:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222758D@main2.marlow.com>

"SELECT " & strNewEventName & " AS fldName, tblEvent." & _

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:42 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] 


I need someone to unlock my brainjam!

"strNewEventName" is a string variable I need to insert in this statement
and after a half an hour I can't seem to get the syntax correct.

DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO tblEvent ( fldName, " & _
            "fldEvTypeID, fldOccur, fldLocation, " & _
            "fldDesc, fldDeptID, fldRecorded, " & _
            "fldStaffID ) " & _
            "SELECT strNewEventName AS fldName, tblEvent." & _
            "fldEvTypeID, tblEvent.fldOccur, tblEvent." & _
            "fldLocation, tblEvent.fldDesc, tblEvent." & _
            "fldDeptID, tblEvent.fldRecorded, " & _
            "tblEvent.fldStaffID " & _
            "FROM tblEvent;"

TIA
JB


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 17 21:53:36 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:53:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEIMFFAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEKFFLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

"SELECT " & strNewEventName & " AS fldName

This assumes that you want the contents of strNewEventName "interpreted" and
that value of the variable placed in the string.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:42 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD]


I need someone to unlock my brainjam!

"strNewEventName" is a string variable I need to insert in this statement
and after a half an hour I can't seem to get the syntax correct.

DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO tblEvent ( fldName, " & _
            "fldEvTypeID, fldOccur, fldLocation, " & _
            "fldDesc, fldDeptID, fldRecorded, " & _
            "fldStaffID ) " & _
            "SELECT strNewEventName AS fldName, tblEvent." & _
            "fldEvTypeID, tblEvent.fldOccur, tblEvent." & _
            "fldLocation, tblEvent.fldDesc, tblEvent." & _
            "fldDeptID, tblEvent.fldRecorded, " & _
            "tblEvent.fldStaffID " & _
            "FROM tblEvent;"

TIA
JB


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From connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au  Mon Nov 17 21:56:36 2003
From: connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au (connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:56:36 +1100
Subject: [AccessD]
Message-ID: <OF93922AA6.7882AE65-ONCA256DE2.0015A02D@agric.nsw.gov.au>

"SELECT " & strNewEventName & " AS fldName, tblEvent." & _

Connie Kamrowski

Analyst/Programmer
Information Technology
NSW Agriculture
Orange

Ph: 02 6391 3250
Fax:02 6391 3290





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18/11/2003 02:41 PM
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        cc: 
        Subject:        [AccessD]


I need someone to unlock my brainjam!

"strNewEventName" is a string variable I need to insert in this statement
and after a half an hour I can't seem to get the syntax correct.

DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO tblEvent ( fldName, " & _
            "fldEvTypeID, fldOccur, fldLocation, " & _
            "fldDesc, fldDeptID, fldRecorded, " & _
            "fldStaffID ) " & _
            "SELECT strNewEventName AS fldName, tblEvent." & _
            "fldEvTypeID, tblEvent.fldOccur, tblEvent." & _
            "fldLocation, tblEvent.fldDesc, tblEvent." & _
            "fldDeptID, tblEvent.fldRecorded, " & _
            "tblEvent.fldStaffID " & _
            "FROM tblEvent;"

TIA
JB


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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Mon Nov 17 21:59:48 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:59:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEIMFFAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <000501c3ad88$68e8ca70$7001a8c0@COA3>

 "SELECT " & strNewEventName & " AS fldName, tblEvent." & _

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:42 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] 


I need someone to unlock my brainjam!

"strNewEventName" is a string variable I need to insert in this
statement and after a half an hour I can't seem to get the syntax
correct.

DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO tblEvent ( fldName, " & _
            "fldEvTypeID, fldOccur, fldLocation, " & _
            "fldDesc, fldDeptID, fldRecorded, " & _
            "fldStaffID ) " & _
            "SELECT strNewEventName AS fldName, tblEvent." & _
            "fldEvTypeID, tblEvent.fldOccur, tblEvent." & _
            "fldLocation, tblEvent.fldDesc, tblEvent." & _
            "fldDeptID, tblEvent.fldRecorded, " & _
            "tblEvent.fldStaffID " & _
            "FROM tblEvent;"

TIA
JB


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 17 22:30:02 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:30:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Excel warning on save
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEKHFLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I am getting a spreadsheet in an old format.  In order to get it to a
version that will link into Access, I renamed the sheet inside and saved.
It pops up a warning about "was in 2.x, do you want to save in xxx etc.".  I
would like to avoid that warning (just save it).

Anyone know how to turn off that warning?

Is there any "direct way" to modify it such that it is now a current version
of Excel?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com



From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 17 22:38:10 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:38:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEIMFFAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEECCENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Thanks everyone!
That was quick, went up for another cup of mud and had 4 answers already.

Unfortunatley, you all confirmed that I don't have brainlock. It was my
original syntax, (and I think the 5th, 12th and 17th attempt's syntaxes)

Now I have to troubleshoot this thing as to why the SQL statement is causing
an error.
:o(

Thanks again.
JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:42 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD]
>
>
> I need someone to unlock my brainjam!
>
> "strNewEventName" is a string variable I need to insert in this statement
> and after a half an hour I can't seem to get the syntax correct.
>
> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO tblEvent ( fldName, " & _
>             "fldEvTypeID, fldOccur, fldLocation, " & _
>             "fldDesc, fldDeptID, fldRecorded, " & _
>             "fldStaffID ) " & _
>             "SELECT strNewEventName AS fldName, tblEvent." & _
>             "fldEvTypeID, tblEvent.fldOccur, tblEvent." & _
>             "fldLocation, tblEvent.fldDesc, tblEvent." & _
>             "fldDeptID, tblEvent.fldRecorded, " & _
>             "tblEvent.fldStaffID " & _
>             "FROM tblEvent;"
>
> TIA
> JB
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 17 23:08:45 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:08:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEECCENAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOECCENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Well, in a way you all did remove brainlock. Got me off of checking the
syntax and onto troubleshooting it, the way I should've been. I needed to
add some single quotes when building the string variable "strNewEventName".

Thanks!
jb

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:38 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD]
>
>
> Thanks everyone!
> That was quick, went up for another cup of mud and had 4 answers already.
>
> Unfortunatley, you all confirmed that I don't have brainlock. It was my
> original syntax, (and I think the 5th, 12th and 17th attempt's syntaxes)
>
> Now I have to troubleshoot this thing as to why the SQL statement
> is causing
> an error.
> :o(
>
> Thanks again.
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:42 PM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD]
> >
> >
> > I need someone to unlock my brainjam!
> >
> > "strNewEventName" is a string variable I need to insert in this
> statement
> > and after a half an hour I can't seem to get the syntax correct.
> >
> > DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO tblEvent ( fldName, " & _
> >             "fldEvTypeID, fldOccur, fldLocation, " & _
> >             "fldDesc, fldDeptID, fldRecorded, " & _
> >             "fldStaffID ) " & _
> >             "SELECT strNewEventName AS fldName, tblEvent." & _
> >             "fldEvTypeID, tblEvent.fldOccur, tblEvent." & _
> >             "fldLocation, tblEvent.fldDesc, tblEvent." & _
> >             "fldDeptID, tblEvent.fldRecorded, " & _
> >             "tblEvent.fldStaffID " & _
> >             "FROM tblEvent;"
> >
> > TIA
> > JB
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
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From pcs at azizaz.com  Mon Nov 17 23:23:08 2003
From: pcs at azizaz.com (Borge Steen Hansen)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:23:08 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Question
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEECCENAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <000901c3ad94$0e5432f0$be0e90cb@prosys.local>

Hi,
anyone with a quick answer to this one:

Excel appears to treat blank cell as zero

I've created a function that tests the value in a cell (say A1) using Select
Case and delivers a value in another cell (say B1) depending on value in
cell.

The function tests on values 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and responds with a message
if any other value is entered.

So far so good!

Now, the annoying part is that a blank value - null - is treated as ZERO by
the function.


How do I turn this off - so that a the value of a blank cell is treated as
null ???

Regards


Borge,



From pcs at azizaz.com  Mon Nov 17 23:46:11 2003
From: pcs at azizaz.com (Borge Steen Hansen)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:46:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] 
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOECCENAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <001f01c3ad97$4679a4f0$be0e90cb@prosys.local>

I don't know if this is relevant for you, but if the textstring that your
string variable holds may contain single quote (like in "Sandy's Order") you
need to handle that as well in your sql string....
regards
Borge


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 3:08 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


> Well, in a way you all did remove brainlock. Got me off of checking the
> syntax and onto troubleshooting it, the way I should've been. I needed to
> add some single quotes when building the string variable
"strNewEventName".
>
> Thanks!
> jb
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:38 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD]
> >
> >
> > Thanks everyone!
> > That was quick, went up for another cup of mud and had 4 answers
already.
> >
> > Unfortunatley, you all confirmed that I don't have brainlock. It was my
> > original syntax, (and I think the 5th, 12th and 17th attempt's syntaxes)
> >
> > Now I have to troubleshoot this thing as to why the SQL statement
> > is causing
> > an error.
> > :o(
> >
> > Thanks again.
> > JB
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:42 PM
> > > To: AccessD
> > > Subject: [AccessD]
> > >
> > >
> > > I need someone to unlock my brainjam!
> > >
> > > "strNewEventName" is a string variable I need to insert in this
> > statement
> > > and after a half an hour I can't seem to get the syntax correct.
> > >
> > > DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO tblEvent ( fldName, " & _
> > >             "fldEvTypeID, fldOccur, fldLocation, " & _
> > >             "fldDesc, fldDeptID, fldRecorded, " & _
> > >             "fldStaffID ) " & _
> > >             "SELECT strNewEventName AS fldName, tblEvent." & _
> > >             "fldEvTypeID, tblEvent.fldOccur, tblEvent." & _
> > >             "fldLocation, tblEvent.fldDesc, tblEvent." & _
> > >             "fldDeptID, tblEvent.fldRecorded, " & _
> > >             "tblEvent.fldStaffID " & _
> > >             "FROM tblEvent;"
> > >
> > > TIA
> > > JB
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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> >
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 17 23:55:19 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:55:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 
In-Reply-To: <001f01c3ad97$4679a4f0$be0e90cb@prosys.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGECDENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Borge,
Thanks, that's a good point. I'm padding the variable with quotes after I
build it to cover all possible problems.

jb

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Borge Steen
> Hansen
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD]
>
>
> I don't know if this is relevant for you, but if the textstring that your
> string variable holds may contain single quote (like in "Sandy's
> Order") you
> need to handle that as well in your sql string....
> regards
> Borge
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 3:08 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD]
>
>
> > Well, in a way you all did remove brainlock. Got me off of checking the
> > syntax and onto troubleshooting it, the way I should've been. I
> needed to
> > add some single quotes when building the string variable
> "strNewEventName".
> >
> > Thanks!
> > jb
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:38 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD]
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks everyone!
> > > That was quick, went up for another cup of mud and had 4 answers
> already.
> > >
> > > Unfortunatley, you all confirmed that I don't have brainlock.
> It was my
> > > original syntax, (and I think the 5th, 12th and 17th
> attempt's syntaxes)
> > >
> > > Now I have to troubleshoot this thing as to why the SQL statement
> > > is causing
> > > an error.
> > > :o(
> > >
> > > Thanks again.
> > > JB
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> John Bartow
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:42 PM
> > > > To: AccessD
> > > > Subject: [AccessD]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I need someone to unlock my brainjam!
> > > >
> > > > "strNewEventName" is a string variable I need to insert in this
> > > statement
> > > > and after a half an hour I can't seem to get the syntax correct.
> > > >
> > > > DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO tblEvent ( fldName, " & _
> > > >             "fldEvTypeID, fldOccur, fldLocation, " & _
> > > >             "fldDesc, fldDeptID, fldRecorded, " & _
> > > >             "fldStaffID ) " & _
> > > >             "SELECT strNewEventName AS fldName, tblEvent." & _
> > > >             "fldEvTypeID, tblEvent.fldOccur, tblEvent." & _
> > > >             "fldLocation, tblEvent.fldDesc, tblEvent." & _
> > > >             "fldDeptID, tblEvent.fldRecorded, " & _
> > > >             "tblEvent.fldStaffID " & _
> > > >             "FROM tblEvent;"
> > > >
> > > > TIA
> > > > JB
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
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> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Tue Nov 18 06:25:35 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 06:25:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Training Location Tables
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C99C@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I am setting up a new database for training results. The records are entered
by location, each location has a class & an instructor. Then they track each
students comments about the class & instructor.
 
I am confused on how to set up the table to link the location with the
class. I created a tblLocation, tblInstructor, tblClasses. Would I need a
tblClassDetails that would contain the DetailID PK, ClassID, InstructorID, &
LocationID?
 
Or would I need just a DetailID & LocationID (tblDetailLocation). If so, how
do I connect that to the form to make the entries to the tblDetailLocation?
 
Or do I just add each field, tblLocation, tblInstructor, tblClasses to the
Main table that tracks the students comments?
 
Virginia

From paulawright at boddienoell.com  Tue Nov 18 06:28:03 2003
From: paulawright at boddienoell.com (Paula Wright)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 07:28:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
Message-ID: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCA09E1E@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>

I have an Access XP database calling Crystal Reports 8.5.  I am desparate -
I've looked everywhere I can think of and still no answers.  
 
I have a crystl32.ocx embedded in my subform.  The main form is a
switchboard.  The problem is that the database will not shut down without
using CTRL-ALT-DEL after calling a Crystal Report.  I can open any subform
(including the subform with the ocx) and close without problems, but as soon
as I call the CR I have a problem shutting down.
 
I call Crystal Reports from the subform.  Here is a sample code:
 
Private Sub PNL_Recap_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_PNL_Recap_click
Set db = CurrentDb
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset("Page 1 Report")
If rs![Month1 Occupancy] > 0 And rs![Month1 ADR] > 0 Then
DoCmd.Hourglass True
    Select Case Me.SelectRpt
        Case 1
            CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel Management
System\page1.rpt"
        Case 2
            CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel Management System\page1
$.rpt"
        Case 3
            CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel Management System\page1
Totals.rpt"
        Case 4
            CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel Management
System\page1Y.rpt"
    End Select
 
        CrystalReport3.Destination = 0
        CrystalReport3.WindowState = 2
        CrystalReport3.Action = 1
 
        DoCmd.Hourglass False
Else
    MsgBox "You must fill out fields in ADR/Occupancy."
End If
 
Set rs = Nothing
 
Exit_PNL_Recap_click:
    Exit Sub
Err_PNL_Recap_click:
    MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description & " /PNL_Recap_Click"
    Resume Exit_PNL_Recap_click
End Sub
 
At first I was able to take the focus off the subform before shutting down
and that seemed to work, however that no longer works.  I've been told that
it may not actually be the CR causing the problem but something else.  The
problem is that it seems to work fine except when I open the CR.  That seems
to indicate that something is left hanging, but I don't know what and I don't
know how to close the CR programmatically.
 
Thank you
Paula Wright
 
 

From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Tue Nov 18 06:43:39 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:43:39 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
In-Reply-To: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCA09E1E@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>
Message-ID: <002701c3add1$97a021d0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

I don't use crystal reports, but I'll take a stab and suggest that you may need
to terminate the instance of crystal reports.

If its embedded, I'm not really sure what you'd need to do, but for called
objects you usually need to do something the following when you close the form:
Set object = nothing

So try
Set CrystalReport3 = nothing
In your form close event, and if that fails you may need to lookup your
documentation on how to close it.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Paula Wright
> Sent: Tuesday, 18 November, 2003 8:28 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
>
>
> I have an Access XP database calling Crystal Reports 8.5.  I
> am desparate -
> I've looked everywhere I can think of and still no answers.
>
> I have a crystl32.ocx embedded in my subform.  The main form is a
> switchboard.  The problem is that the database will not shut
> down without
> using CTRL-ALT-DEL after calling a Crystal Report.  I can
> open any subform
> (including the subform with the ocx) and close without
> problems, but as soon
> as I call the CR I have a problem shutting down.
>
> I call Crystal Reports from the subform.  Here is a sample code:
>
> Private Sub PNL_Recap_Click()
> On Error GoTo Err_PNL_Recap_click
> Set db = CurrentDb
> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset("Page 1 Report")
> If rs![Month1 Occupancy] > 0 And rs![Month1 ADR] > 0 Then
> DoCmd.Hourglass True
>     Select Case Me.SelectRpt
>         Case 1
>             CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel Management
> System\page1.rpt"
>         Case 2
>             CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel
> Management System\page1
> $.rpt"
>         Case 3
>             CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel
> Management System\page1
> Totals.rpt"
>         Case 4
>             CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel Management
> System\page1Y.rpt"
>     End Select
>
>         CrystalReport3.Destination = 0
>         CrystalReport3.WindowState = 2
>         CrystalReport3.Action = 1
>
>         DoCmd.Hourglass False
> Else
>     MsgBox "You must fill out fields in ADR/Occupancy."
> End If
>
> Set rs = Nothing
>
> Exit_PNL_Recap_click:
>     Exit Sub
> Err_PNL_Recap_click:
>     MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description & " /PNL_Recap_Click"
>     Resume Exit_PNL_Recap_click
> End Sub
>
> At first I was able to take the focus off the subform before
> shutting down
> and that seemed to work, however that no longer works.  I've
> been told that
> it may not actually be the CR causing the problem but
> something else.  The
> problem is that it seems to work fine except when I open the
> CR.  That seems
> to indicate that something is left hanging, but I don't know
> what and I don't
> know how to close the CR programmatically.
>
> Thank you
> Paula Wright
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue Nov 18 07:06:05 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:06:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Question
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F8A8@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Borge,

Can you use Excel's built in IsBlank function to determine the empty cell?

HTH,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Borge Steen Hansen [mailto:pcs at azizaz.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 12:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Question


Hi,
anyone with a quick answer to this one:

Excel appears to treat blank cell as zero

I've created a function that tests the value in a cell (say A1) using Select
Case and delivers a value in another cell (say B1) depending on value in
cell.

The function tests on values 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and responds with a message
if any other value is entered.

So far so good!

Now, the annoying part is that a blank value - null - is treated as ZERO by
the function.


How do I turn this off - so that a the value of a blank cell is treated as
null ???

Regards


Borge,


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From viner at eunet.yu  Tue Nov 18 07:16:57 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:16:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form
Message-ID: <003d01c3add6$5a484c40$0100a8c0@razvoj>

<Crossposted>
Hi,
I need an advice(Access97): on the main form I have 2 subforms, and 3 other(separated by meaning) subforms. The problem is that the users have only 17" screen and I have to shrink the subforms too much. Can you provide any reasonable solution? Like hiding one "thread" of subforms or open one "thread of subforms" on some pop up window or something else?
Many TIA,
    Ervin

From paulawright at boddienoell.com  Tue Nov 18 07:45:34 2003
From: paulawright at boddienoell.com (Paula Wright)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:45:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
Message-ID: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCA09E1F@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>

Believe me, I've tried that and every other method I can think of to close it
and I'm still not having any luck.
 
Set CrystalReport3 = nothing gives me an Invalid Use of Property message.
 
Other variations:
CrystalReport3.exit - Object doesn't support this object or method
CrystalReport3.Object.Exit - Object doesn't support this object or method
CrystalReport3.Connection.Close - Object doesn't support this object or
method
CrystalReport3.Connection.Exit- Object doesn't support this object or method

CrystalReport3.Object.Close - Object doesn't support this object or method

I wish I could find documentation that addresses this situation.  That's what
I'm saying - I've looked EVERYWHERE I can think of and I cannot find any
answers.  I know that someone, somewhere has had to call Crystal Reports from
Access before so there is a solution, I just need to make contact with the
right person.


	-----Original Message----- 
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Stuart
Sanders 
	Sent: Tue 11/18/2003 7:43 AM 
	To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
	Cc: 
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
	
	

	I don't use crystal reports, but I'll take a stab and suggest that
you may need
	to terminate the instance of crystal reports.
	
	If its embedded, I'm not really sure what you'd need to do, but for
called
	objects you usually need to do something the following when you close
the form:
	Set object = nothing
	
	So try
	Set CrystalReport3 = nothing
	In your form close event, and if that fails you may need to lookup
your
	documentation on how to close it.
	
	Stuart
	
	> -----Original Message-----
	> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
	> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
	> Paula Wright
	> Sent: Tuesday, 18 November, 2003 8:28 PM
	> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	> Subject: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
	>
	>
	> I have an Access XP database calling Crystal Reports 8.5.  I
	> am desparate -
	> I've looked everywhere I can think of and still no answers.
	>
	> I have a crystl32.ocx embedded in my subform.  The main form is a
	> switchboard.  The problem is that the database will not shut
	> down without
	> using CTRL-ALT-DEL after calling a Crystal Report.  I can
	> open any subform
	> (including the subform with the ocx) and close without
	> problems, but as soon
	> as I call the CR I have a problem shutting down.
	>
	> I call Crystal Reports from the subform.  Here is a sample code:
	>
	> Private Sub PNL_Recap_Click()
	> On Error GoTo Err_PNL_Recap_click
	> Set db = CurrentDb
	> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset("Page 1 Report")
	> If rs![Month1 Occupancy] > 0 And rs![Month1 ADR] > 0 Then
	> DoCmd.Hourglass True
	>     Select Case Me.SelectRpt
	>         Case 1
	>             CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel Management
	> System\page1.rpt"
	>         Case 2
	>             CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel
	> Management System\page1
	> $.rpt"
	>         Case 3
	>             CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel
	> Management System\page1
	> Totals.rpt"
	>         Case 4
	>             CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel Management
	> System\page1Y.rpt"
	>     End Select
	>
	>         CrystalReport3.Destination = 0
	>         CrystalReport3.WindowState = 2
	>         CrystalReport3.Action = 1
	>
	>         DoCmd.Hourglass False
	> Else
	>     MsgBox "You must fill out fields in ADR/Occupancy."
	> End If
	>
	> Set rs = Nothing
	>
	> Exit_PNL_Recap_click:
	>     Exit Sub
	> Err_PNL_Recap_click:
	>     MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description & " /PNL_Recap_Click"
	>     Resume Exit_PNL_Recap_click
	> End Sub
	>
	> At first I was able to take the focus off the subform before
	> shutting down
	> and that seemed to work, however that no longer works.  I've
	> been told that
	> it may not actually be the CR causing the problem but
	> something else.  The
	> problem is that it seems to work fine except when I open the
	> CR.  That seems
	> to indicate that something is left hanging, but I don't know
	> what and I don't
	> know how to close the CR programmatically.
	>
	> Thank you
	> Paula Wright
	>
	>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Nov 18 07:51:46 2003
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:51:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Question
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEECCENAA.john@winhaven.net>
	<000901c3ad94$0e5432f0$be0e90cb@prosys.local>
Message-ID: <3FBA23F2.4050501@torchlake.com>

Hi Borge,

I ran into this when I was trying to automatically create a chart that 
would interpolate the values of an empty cell, rather than draw a sharp 
sawtooth.  Here's what I found:  if the function is evaluating the cell 
numerically, it sees an enpty cell as having the value of zero.  What I 
ended up using was the following

    'Copy only non-zero data from "onReadings" to "chartOnRead"
    Range("onReadings").Select
    ActiveCell.Select
    For x = 1 To Range("valToLookup").Count
        If ActiveCell.Value <> "" Then
            Selection.Copy
            ActiveCell.Offset(0, 4).Range("A1").Select
            Selection.PasteSpecial Paste:=xlPasteValues
            ActiveCell.Offset(1, -4).Range("A1").Select
        Else: ActiveCell.Offset(1, 0).Range("A1").Select
        End If
     Next x
     Application.CutCopyMode = False

The significant line is - If ActiveCell.Value <> "" Then

HTH

Tina



Borge Steen Hansen wrote:

>Hi,
>anyone with a quick answer to this one:
>
>Excel appears to treat blank cell as zero
>
>I've created a function that tests the value in a cell (say A1) using Select
>Case and delivers a value in another cell (say B1) depending on value in
>cell.
>
>The function tests on values 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and responds with a message
>if any other value is entered.
>
>So far so good!
>
>Now, the annoying part is that a blank value - null - is treated as ZERO by
>the function.
>
>
>How do I turn this off - so that a the value of a blank cell is treated as
>null ???
>
>Regards
>
>
>Borge,
>
>
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From paulawright at boddienoell.com  Tue Nov 18 07:52:33 2003
From: paulawright at boddienoell.com (Paula Wright)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:52:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form
Message-ID: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCA09E20@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>

I've used a main form to call several different subforms and I've also
included tabs in the subform.
 
Place a generic subform on the main form and change the subform being used;
 
   Me.genericsubformname.SourceObject = "Form Name"


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Sent: Tue 11/18/2003 8:16 AM 
	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
	Cc: 
	Subject: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form
	
	

	<Crossposted>
	Hi,
	I need an advice(Access97): on the main form I have 2 subforms, and 3
other(separated by meaning) subforms. The problem is that the users have only
17" screen and I have to shrink the subforms too much. Can you provide any
reasonable solution? Like hiding one "thread" of subforms or open one "thread
of subforms" on some pop up window or something else?
	Many TIA,
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From James at fcidms.com  Tue Nov 18 08:29:33 2003
From: James at fcidms.com (James Barash)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:29:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
In-Reply-To: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9251D3574@win2k-server-1.fci.local>
Message-ID: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9250211EE@win2k-server-1.fci.local>

When I attended the launch of Office 2003, one of the presenters said
that, internally, Microsoft developers do not use VSS since they found
that, in the words of the presenter, "it sucks". They have a different
as yet unnamed, at least he wouldn't name it, product that should become
a replacement for VSS but he would not give a timeline for public
release.
The .NET tools that were presented only worked with Excel and Word,
nothing at all about Access2003.

James Barash


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 6:41 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS


There is a "Visual Studio.NET Tools for Microsoft Office 2003", but it
does not appear to be anything like the ODE we have all come to know.

I understand that MS has been helping SourceGear market it's Vault
product - a product that was specifically designed to be a replacement
for VSS.  I wonder if MS has given up on VSS?

-C-

---- Original Message ----
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:41:42 -0800

>The VSS add-in for earlier versions came with the ODE.  Since there 
>isn't any such animal in 2003, I'm not sure where that leaves those of
>us who use Source Safe.  It's an interesting question, though, and I
>hope someone on the list will be able to answer the question before I
>put 2003 on my machine.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:04 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>
>
>Good morning! I just got a shiny new development box at work and I'm 
>excited. So far the only snag is that my install of Access 2003 doesn't
>seem to recognize the Visual SourceSafe 6.0d installed on the same
>machine.  Ordinarily, Access would display a Source Safe item on it's
>Tools menu. Mine does not.
>
>Is there a registry hack or some such that I need to put in place to 
>make these two play nicely together?
> 
>-Christopher Hawkins-
>
>
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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Tue Nov 18 08:35:20 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:35:20 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE142@TAPPEEXCH01>

I think a fairly telling aspect of this story is that Microsoft does not use
VSS for their own development.  They have a homebrew program called SLM that
they have used for several years now.

-----Original Message-----
From: James Barash [mailto:James at fcidms.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:30 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS


When I attended the launch of Office 2003, one of the presenters said
that, internally, Microsoft developers do not use VSS since they found
that, in the words of the presenter, "it sucks". They have a different
as yet unnamed, at least he wouldn't name it, product that should become
a replacement for VSS but he would not give a timeline for public
release.
The .NET tools that were presented only worked with Excel and Word,
nothing at all about Access2003.

James Barash


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 6:41 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS


There is a "Visual Studio.NET Tools for Microsoft Office 2003", but it
does not appear to be anything like the ODE we have all come to know.

I understand that MS has been helping SourceGear market it's Vault
product - a product that was specifically designed to be a replacement
for VSS.  I wonder if MS has given up on VSS?

-C-

---- Original Message ----
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:41:42 -0800

>The VSS add-in for earlier versions came with the ODE.  Since there 
>isn't any such animal in 2003, I'm not sure where that leaves those of
>us who use Source Safe.  It's an interesting question, though, and I
>hope someone on the list will be able to answer the question before I
>put 2003 on my machine.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:04 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>
>
>Good morning! I just got a shiny new development box at work and I'm 
>excited. So far the only snag is that my install of Access 2003 doesn't
>seem to recognize the Visual SourceSafe 6.0d installed on the same
>machine.  Ordinarily, Access would display a Source Safe item on it's
>Tools menu. Mine does not.
>
>Is there a registry hack or some such that I need to put in place to 
>make these two play nicely together?
> 
>-Christopher Hawkins-
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov 18 08:58:14 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:58:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Multiplatform Access "replacement"
In-Reply-To: <6320718151.20030317144457@cactus.dk>
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEJHCEAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
	<6320718151.20030317144457@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <5126293357.20031118155814@cactus.dk>

Hi All

The Access inspired tool, Rekall, is now available under GPL:

  http://www.thekompany.com/press_media/full.php3?Id=242

Rekall is here:

  http://www.thekompany.com/products/rekall/

I have no experience with it but it could be interesting, indeed if
you have knowledge in Python.

/gustav


From liam at energyexhausts.co.uk  Tue Nov 18 09:07:25 2003
From: liam at energyexhausts.co.uk (Liam Meadows)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:07:25 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with Access ADP and multiple-step OLE DB
Message-ID: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509E017095@energys1.energy.local>

I am trying to create a form Based on an SQL table but when I try and
exit from the form sometimes I get an error saying "'Multiple-step OLE
DB operation generated errors. Check each OLE DB status value, if
available. No work was done.".
I have tried MSKB and changed the Persist Security Info to False in
connection manager (File -> Connections -> All) and checked the registry
setting as described in the MS KB but it still happens. Has anyone any
idea how to resolve this ?

Liam

From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 18 09:48:19 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:48:19 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Map Netwrok Drive
Message-ID: <BAY1-F132xC9nyhxK4k0001538e@hotmail.com>

Hello All,

Anyone know how(or if you can) to map a network drive using API calls?

Thanks,

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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Nov 18 09:59:59 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:59:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Map Netwrok Drive
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB938@nnse14.nns.com>

Microsoft Knowledge Base Article - 256847


Mark


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Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:48 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Map Netwrok Drive


Hello All,

Anyone know how(or if you can) to map a network drive using API calls?

Thanks,

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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Tue Nov 18 10:02:33 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:02:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] acNewRec
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7831@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

I have an Access2002 mdb that is being used by 5 users.

The front-end is located on each user's hard drive, while the linked
tables are located in an Access2002 mdb on the network.

There haven't been any problems in the past month, but now users are
receiving the following error when adding a new record to a form: "Could
not update. Currently locked".  The code is "DoCmd.GoToRecord, ,
acNewRec".

 

Any ideas?

 

TIA,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 


From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Tue Nov 18 10:08:47 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:08:47 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Map Netwrok Drive
Message-ID: <OF13E88C94.E5D6FF34-ON86256DE2.005886CA-86256DE2.0058B18B@nc.us.bank-dns.com>


The API should be:


Connect:
WNetAddConnection
WNetAddConnection2

Disconnect:
WNetCancelConnection
WNetCancelConnection2





                                                                                                                                 
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From mastercafe at ctv.es  Tue Nov 18 10:17:01 2003
From: mastercafe at ctv.es (MastercafeCTV)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:17:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] acNewRec
In-Reply-To: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7831@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Message-ID: <005201c3adef$66809e40$69fa2250@servercafe>

Check the config in Access 2002:

Default Open Mode : SHARED
Default RecordLocking : EDITED RECORD

When we install a new computer always check the main config from access
(report, general, advanced, etc.)

If this run, check in the main form if you used LOCK EDITED RECORD

Good luck

Juan

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Sent: martes, 18 de noviembre de 2003 17:03
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] acNewRec


I have an Access2002 mdb that is being used by 5 users.

The front-end is located on each user's hard drive, while the linked tables
are located in an Access2002 mdb on the network.

There haven't been any problems in the past month, but now users are
receiving the following error when adding a new record to a form: "Could not
update. Currently locked".  The code is "DoCmd.GoToRecord, , acNewRec".

 

Any ideas?

 

TIA,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Tue Nov 18 10:28:19 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 00:28:19 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
In-Reply-To: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCA09E1F@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>
Message-ID: <003301c3adf0$fc3cdfb0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

OK a couple of questions...

You mentioned you embedded the ocx into the subform.  Have you tested whether it
works if you only call it from the main form?

I did a quick search and found a reference to crviewer also being embedded (was
in a discussion you started at UtterAccess).  Have you tried testing what
methods are availabel for crviewer if that is in fact embedded.  If that handles
the actual display part, perhaps it has a close/etc method.

Finally is it actually possible to call the ocx from code without embedding?  Ie
add reference to the control and then use something along the lines of

Dim crR As CrystalReport

set crR = New CrystalReport

Etc

Sorry can't really offer much more since I don't have it.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Paula Wright
> Sent: Tuesday, 18 November, 2003 9:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
>
>
> Believe me, I've tried that and every other method I can
> think of to close it
> and I'm still not having any luck.
>
> Set CrystalReport3 = nothing gives me an Invalid Use of
> Property message.
>
> Other variations:
> CrystalReport3.exit - Object doesn't support this object or method
> CrystalReport3.Object.Exit - Object doesn't support this
> object or method
> CrystalReport3.Connection.Close - Object doesn't support this
> object or
> method
> CrystalReport3.Connection.Exit- Object doesn't support this
> object or method
>
> CrystalReport3.Object.Close - Object doesn't support this
> object or method
>
> I wish I could find documentation that addresses this
> situation.  That's what
> I'm saying - I've looked EVERYWHERE I can think of and I
> cannot find any
> answers.  I know that someone, somewhere has had to call
> Crystal Reports from
> Access before so there is a solution, I just need to make
> contact with the
> right person.
>
>
> 	-----Original Message----- 
> 	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Stuart
> Sanders
> 	Sent: Tue 11/18/2003 7:43 AM
> 	To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> 	Cc:
> 	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
>
>
>
> 	I don't use crystal reports, but I'll take a stab and
> suggest that
> you may need
> 	to terminate the instance of crystal reports.
>
> 	If its embedded, I'm not really sure what you'd need to
> do, but for
> called
> 	objects you usually need to do something the following
> when you close
> the form:
> 	Set object = nothing
>
> 	So try
> 	Set CrystalReport3 = nothing
> 	In your form close event, and if that fails you may
> need to lookup
> your
> 	documentation on how to close it.
>
> 	Stuart
>
> 	> -----Original Message-----
> 	> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> 	> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> 	> Paula Wright
> 	> Sent: Tuesday, 18 November, 2003 8:28 PM
> 	> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> 	> Subject: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
> 	>
> 	>
> 	> I have an Access XP database calling Crystal Reports 8.5.  I
> 	> am desparate -
> 	> I've looked everywhere I can think of and still no answers.
> 	>
> 	> I have a crystl32.ocx embedded in my subform.  The
> main form is a
> 	> switchboard.  The problem is that the database will not shut
> 	> down without
> 	> using CTRL-ALT-DEL after calling a Crystal Report.  I can
> 	> open any subform
> 	> (including the subform with the ocx) and close without
> 	> problems, but as soon
> 	> as I call the CR I have a problem shutting down.
> 	>
> 	> I call Crystal Reports from the subform.  Here is a
> sample code:
> 	>
> 	> Private Sub PNL_Recap_Click()
> 	> On Error GoTo Err_PNL_Recap_click
> 	> Set db = CurrentDb
> 	> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset("Page 1 Report")
> 	> If rs![Month1 Occupancy] > 0 And rs![Month1 ADR] > 0 Then
> 	> DoCmd.Hourglass True
> 	>     Select Case Me.SelectRpt
> 	>         Case 1
> 	>             CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel
> Management
> 	> System\page1.rpt"
> 	>         Case 2
> 	>             CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel
> 	> Management System\page1
> 	> $.rpt"
> 	>         Case 3
> 	>             CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel
> 	> Management System\page1
> 	> Totals.rpt"
> 	>         Case 4
> 	>             CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel
> Management
> 	> System\page1Y.rpt"
> 	>     End Select
> 	>
> 	>         CrystalReport3.Destination = 0
> 	>         CrystalReport3.WindowState = 2
> 	>         CrystalReport3.Action = 1
> 	>
> 	>         DoCmd.Hourglass False
> 	> Else
> 	>     MsgBox "You must fill out fields in ADR/Occupancy."
> 	> End If
> 	>
> 	> Set rs = Nothing
> 	>
> 	> Exit_PNL_Recap_click:
> 	>     Exit Sub
> 	> Err_PNL_Recap_click:
> 	>     MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description & "
> /PNL_Recap_Click"
> 	>     Resume Exit_PNL_Recap_click
> 	> End Sub
> 	>
> 	> At first I was able to take the focus off the subform before
> 	> shutting down
> 	> and that seemed to work, however that no longer works.  I've
> 	> been told that
> 	> it may not actually be the CR causing the problem but
> 	> something else.  The
> 	> problem is that it seems to work fine except when I open the
> 	> CR.  That seems
> 	> to indicate that something is left hanging, but I don't know
> 	> what and I don't
> 	> know how to close the CR programmatically.
> 	>
> 	> Thank you
> 	> Paula Wright
> 	>
> 	>
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>
>
>



From liz at symphonyinfo.com  Tue Nov 18 10:36:17 2003
From: liz at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:36:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] acNewRec
In-Reply-To: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7831@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Message-ID: <E1AM8pz-0002jU-00@gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

Mark,

Have you checked for a corrupt record in the affected tables?  It will
usually show up with ####### in one field.  Deleting the record clears up
the mess.

Liz Doering
Symphony Information Services
liz at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
763-391-7400

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Boyd
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:03 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] acNewRec

I have an Access2002 mdb that is being used by 5 users.

The front-end is located on each user's hard drive, while the linked
tables are located in an Access2002 mdb on the network.

There haven't been any problems in the past month, but now users are
receiving the following error when adding a new record to a form: "Could
not update. Currently locked".  The code is "DoCmd.GoToRecord, ,
acNewRec".

 

Any ideas?

 

TIA,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 18 10:43:32 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:43:32 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with Access ADP and multiple-step OLE DB
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312453@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

You need to error trap the ADO errors specifically and loop through the
connection's errors collection to see what's going on.  A lot of ADO
errors are "silent" in Access.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Liam Meadows [mailto:liam at energyexhausts.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 7:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with Access ADP and multiple-step OLE DB


I am trying to create a form Based on an SQL table but when I try and
exit from the form sometimes I get an error saying "'Multiple-step OLE
DB operation generated errors. Check each OLE DB status value, if
available. No work was done.". I have tried MSKB and changed the Persist
Security Info to False in connection manager (File -> Connections ->
All) and checked the registry setting as described in the MS KB but it
still happens. Has anyone any idea how to resolve this ?

Liam
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From rfv at entelix.com  Tue Nov 18 10:43:22 2003
From: rfv at entelix.com (rfv at entelix.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:43:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Sage RT script
Message-ID: <200311181643.hAIGhY607970@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi,
 
I hope somebody can help me.
 
I purchased the Sage MS Access XP RT script.
 
Now my cliente has Windows 2000 Pro and MS Access 2000 installed.
When he clicks on the shortcut of my app, a error message appears stating
that this application is not soported, wanting to open my app with Access
2000.
So we have to go to the runtime folder, click MS Access XP .exe., but the
problem is that he can not open his other Access 2000 db?s.
 
Is the Sage script not supposed tu avoid all this?
 
 
I hope somebody has the answer.
 
Rudolf F. Vanek
 

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 18 10:51:00 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:51:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312455@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I thought the Access tools were a separate download.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 6:20 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS


Hm.  That's the same Visual Studio Tools package I installed on my new
machine, but I don't see Access Extensions anywhere.  Hm.  Time for a
reinstall!

-Christopher-

---- Original Message ----
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:23:03 -0800

>Access 2003 Developer Extensions, part of  Visual Studio Tools for
>the
>Microsoft Office System
>http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/office/technologyinfo/devtools/accessex
>ten
>sions/default.aspx
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 4:57 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>
>
>What tools are you referring to?  There must be a CD I haven't found 
>someplace in this MSN subscription.
>
>-Christopher-
>
>---- Original Message ----
>From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com,
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:46:06 -0800
>
>>There's a specific set of tools for Access 2003 as well.  That may
>be
>>where the hooks are found.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
>>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 3:41 PM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>>
>>
>>There is a "Visual Studio.NET Tools for Microsoft Office 2003", but it
>>does not appear to be anything like the ODE we have all come to 
>know.
>>
>>I understand that MS has been helping SourceGear market it's Vault
>>product - a product that was specifically designed to be a 
>replacement
>>for VSS.  I wonder if MS has given up on VSS?
>>
>>-C-
>>
>>---- Original Message ----
>>From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com,
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:41:42 -0800
>>
>>>The VSS add-in for earlier versions came with the ODE.  Since there 
>>>isn't any such animal in 2003, I'm not sure where that leaves
>those
>>of
>>>us who use Source Safe.  It's an interesting question, though, and
>I
>>>hope someone on the list will be able to answer the question before
>>I
>>>put 2003 on my machine.
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
>>>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:04 PM
>>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>>Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>>>
>>>
>>>Good morning! I just got a shiny new development box at work and
>>I'm
>>>excited. So far the only snag is that my install of Access 2003
>>doesn't
>>>seem to recognize the Visual SourceSafe 6.0d installed on the same
>>>machine.  Ordinarily, Access would display a Source Safe item on
>>it's
>>>Tools menu. Mine does not.
>>>
>>>Is there a registry hack or some such that I need to put in place
>>to
>>>make these two play nicely together?
>>> 
>>>-Christopher Hawkins-
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
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>>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 18 10:56:24 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:56:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Sage RT script
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312456@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

It sounds like there's something wrong with your script or with the shortcut it's installing.  Are you using the Wise installer?  We use SageKey and Wise and have for the last  3 (?) versions of Access (we skipped 2000) and don't have problems.  I have Win2k on my personal machine and Office 2000 MOD and I don't have a problem with one of our apps installed on that machine.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: rfv at entelix.com [mailto:rfv at entelix.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:43 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sage RT script


Hi,
 
I hope somebody can help me.
 
I purchased the Sage MS Access XP RT script.
 
Now my cliente has Windows 2000 Pro and MS Access 2000 installed. When he clicks on the shortcut of my app, a error message appears stating that this application is not soported, wanting to open my app with Access 2000. So we have to go to the runtime folder, click MS Access XP .exe., but the problem is that he can not open his other Access 2000 db?s.
 
Is the Sage script not supposed tu avoid all this?
 
 
I hope somebody has the answer.
 
Rudolf F. Vanek
 
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From paulawright at boddienoell.com  Tue Nov 18 11:35:15 2003
From: paulawright at boddienoell.com (Paula Wright)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:35:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Sage RT script
Message-ID: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCA09E22@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>

Sagekey support is pretty good.  I'd contact them.

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte
Foust 
	Sent: Tue 11/18/2003 11:56 AM 
	To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
	Cc: 
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sage RT script
	
	

	It sounds like there's something wrong with your script or with the
shortcut it's installing.  Are you using the Wise installer?  We use SageKey
and Wise and have for the last  3 (?) versions of Access (we skipped 2000)
and don't have problems.  I have Win2k on my personal machine and Office 2000
MOD and I don't have a problem with one of our apps installed on that
machine.
	
	Charlotte Foust
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: rfv at entelix.com [mailto:rfv at entelix.com]
	Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:43 AM
	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] Sage RT script
	
	
	Hi,
	
	I hope somebody can help me.
	
	I purchased the Sage MS Access XP RT script.
	
	Now my cliente has Windows 2000 Pro and MS Access 2000 installed.
When he clicks on the shortcut of my app, a error message appears stating
that this application is not soported, wanting to open my app with Access
2000. So we have to go to the runtime folder, click MS Access XP .exe., but
the problem is that he can not open his other Access 2000 db??s.
	
	Is the Sage script not supposed tu avoid all this?
	
	
	I hope somebody has the answer.
	
	Rudolf F. Vanek
	
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From doug at murphyscreativity.com  Tue Nov 18 11:33:14 2003
From: doug at murphyscreativity.com (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:33:14 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Sage RT script
In-Reply-To: <200311181643.hAIGhY607970@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c3adfa$242aa670$8500a8c0@CX615377a>

The way that Sagekey gets around the problem of Access trying to open a
database in the last version of Access used when you have when you have
several versions of Access on the same computer is to open the
application through a small executable called runaccess.exe.  This
should be what your desktop shotcut calls, not Access.exe.  If the
runtime is opened through this method the registry setting that
indicates what version of Access was used last is not supposed to be
reset to your runtime version.  If the shortcut goes directly to
Access.exe then that is the problem.

I'd contact tech support at Sagekey and have them work with you to
resolve the problem.  I have found them to be very helpfull.

Doug

Douglas Murphy
Murphy's Creativity
(619) 334-5121
doug at murphyscreativity.com
www.murphyscreativity.com




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rfv at entelix.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:43 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sage RT script


Hi,
 
I hope somebody can help me.
 
I purchased the Sage MS Access XP RT script.
 
Now my cliente has Windows 2000 Pro and MS Access 2000 installed. When
he clicks on the shortcut of my app, a error message appears stating
that this application is not soported, wanting to open my app with
Access 2000. So we have to go to the runtime folder, click MS Access XP
.exe., but the problem is that he can not open his other Access 2000
db?s.
 
Is the Sage script not supposed tu avoid all this?
 
 
I hope somebody has the answer.
 
Rudolf F. Vanek
 
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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Tue Nov 18 11:57:05 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:57:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] acNewRec
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D1898F0@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Liz -
Thanks for the input.  I searched the table, but didn't find corrupt
records.

Thanks,
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Liz Doering [mailto:liz at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] acNewRec

Mark,

Have you checked for a corrupt record in the affected tables?  It will
usually show up with ####### in one field.  Deleting the record clears
up
the mess.

Liz Doering
Symphony Information Services
liz at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
763-391-7400

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Boyd
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:03 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] acNewRec

I have an Access2002 mdb that is being used by 5 users.

The front-end is located on each user's hard drive, while the linked
tables are located in an Access2002 mdb on the network.

There haven't been any problems in the past month, but now users are
receiving the following error when adding a new record to a form: "Could
not update. Currently locked".  The code is "DoCmd.GoToRecord, ,
acNewRec".

 

Any ideas?

 

TIA,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 

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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Tue Nov 18 11:59:00 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:59:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] acNewRec
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D1898F1@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Thanks Juan.  I'll check the user's machines to make sure these settings
are correct.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: MastercafeCTV [mailto:mastercafe at ctv.es] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:17 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] acNewRec

Check the config in Access 2002:

Default Open Mode : SHARED
Default RecordLocking : EDITED RECORD

When we install a new computer always check the main config from access
(report, general, advanced, etc.)

If this run, check in the main form if you used LOCK EDITED RECORD

Good luck

Juan

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Boyd
Sent: martes, 18 de noviembre de 2003 17:03
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] acNewRec


I have an Access2002 mdb that is being used by 5 users.

The front-end is located on each user's hard drive, while the linked
tables
are located in an Access2002 mdb on the network.

There haven't been any problems in the past month, but now users are
receiving the following error when adding a new record to a form: "Could
not
update. Currently locked".  The code is "DoCmd.GoToRecord, , acNewRec".

 

Any ideas?

 

TIA,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 

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From paulawright at boddienoell.com  Tue Nov 18 12:05:44 2003
From: paulawright at boddienoell.com (Paula Wright)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:05:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
Message-ID: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCA09E24@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>

I've tried taking the ocx out of the subform so that it is no longer embedded
and using the Dim/Set statements, setting crR to nothing on closing the main
form and still have the error. 
 
I tried calling it from the main form and still have the error.  
 
There are a few things that are very strange to me.  There are several
reports that I call from this subform.  There is one set where only one of
the reports causes the error.  There is nothing different in the code that
calls the reports.  There are queries that run before opening the subform to
compile the data for the reports.  I have gone through and made sure all the
Set db and Set rs are set to nothing so I don't think it's a data issue.  
 
The other thing is that Access acts like it is going to close - goes through
the compact and appears to be shutting down but then maximizes.  It's not
frozen.  I can reopen the database, I just can't shut the Access window down.
 

	 


From paulawright at boddienoell.com  Tue Nov 18 12:21:59 2003
From: paulawright at boddienoell.com (Paula Wright)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:21:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Problems closing XP - Bizarre Behavior
Message-ID: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCA09E25@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>

Okay, I went into my closing action and changed docmd.quit to
application.quit and got all excited because the application shut down and
then it reopened!!!
 
I tried it again, leaving the Windows Task Manager where I could see what was
happening and it literally closed and reopened.
 
What's that all about????

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Paula Wright 
	Sent: Tue 11/18/2003 1:05 PM 
	To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
	Cc: 
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
	
	

	I've tried taking the ocx out of the subform so that it is no longer
embedded
	and using the Dim/Set statements, setting crR to nothing on closing
the main
	form and still have the error.
	
	I tried calling it from the main form and still have the error. 
	
	There are a few things that are very strange to me.  There are
several
	reports that I call from this subform.  There is one set where only
one of
	the reports causes the error.  There is nothing different in the code
that
	calls the reports.  There are queries that run before opening the
subform to
	compile the data for the reports.  I have gone through and made sure
all the
	Set db and Set rs are set to nothing so I don't think it's a data
issue. 
	
	The other thing is that Access acts like it is going to close - goes
through
	the compact and appears to be shutting down but then maximizes.  It's
not
	frozen.  I can reopen the database, I just can't shut the Access
window down.
	
	
	        
	
	


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 18 12:44:49 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:44:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Sage RT script
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312458@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

You're right.  We had to start using the RunAccess.exe with our XP shortcuts, although I don't recall it being an issue with earlier versions.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Murphy [mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 9:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sage RT script


The way that Sagekey gets around the problem of Access trying to open a database in the last version of Access used when you have when you have several versions of Access on the same computer is to open the application through a small executable called runaccess.exe.  This should be what your desktop shotcut calls, not Access.exe.  If the runtime is opened through this method the registry setting that indicates what version of Access was used last is not supposed to be reset to your runtime version.  If the shortcut goes directly to Access.exe then that is the problem.

I'd contact tech support at Sagekey and have them work with you to resolve the problem.  I have found them to be very helpfull.

Doug

Douglas Murphy
Murphy's Creativity
(619) 334-5121
doug at murphyscreativity.com
www.murphyscreativity.com




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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of rfv at entelix.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:43 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sage RT script


Hi,
 
I hope somebody can help me.
 
I purchased the Sage MS Access XP RT script.
 
Now my cliente has Windows 2000 Pro and MS Access 2000 installed. When he clicks on the shortcut of my app, a error message appears stating that this application is not soported, wanting to open my app with Access 2000. So we have to go to the runtime folder, click MS Access XP .exe., but the problem is that he can not open his other Access 2000 db?s.
 
Is the Sage script not supposed tu avoid all this?
 
 
I hope somebody has the answer.
 
Rudolf F. Vanek
 
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From lists at theopg.com  Tue Nov 18 12:51:54 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:51:54 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Problems closing XP - Bizarre Behavior
In-Reply-To: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCA09E25@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>
Message-ID: <002101c3ae05$17e503a0$530b6bd5@netboxxp>

I use docmd.quit without problem... But there's a whole load of other
weird stuff going on... Tab controls that grow, list views that draw
their contents in strange places and subform objects that keep setting
themselves to different control source (I have 4 on one form and if I
edit any by clicking them from the main form in design view then all
four use the same subform - xp rocks... It even closes down all by iself
someimes... Usually when I click save, you need to really be on your
toes with this one :@)

Good luck...

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paula Wright
Sent: 18 November 2003 18:22
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Problems closing XP - Bizarre Behavior


Okay, I went into my closing action and changed docmd.quit to
application.quit and got all excited because the application shut down
and then it reopened!!!
 
I tried it again, leaving the Windows Task Manager where I could see
what was happening and it literally closed and reopened.
 
What's that all about????

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Paula
Wright 
	Sent: Tue 11/18/2003 1:05 PM 
	To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
	Cc: 
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
	
	

	I've tried taking the ocx out of the subform so that it is no
longer embedded
	and using the Dim/Set statements, setting crR to nothing on
closing the main
	form and still have the error.
	
	I tried calling it from the main form and still have the error. 
	
	There are a few things that are very strange to me.  There are
several
	reports that I call from this subform.  There is one set where
only one of
	the reports causes the error.  There is nothing different in the
code that
	calls the reports.  There are queries that run before opening
the subform to
	compile the data for the reports.  I have gone through and made
sure all the
	Set db and Set rs are set to nothing so I don't think it's a
data issue. 
	
	The other thing is that Access acts like it is going to close -
goes through
	the compact and appears to be shutting down but then maximizes.
It's not
	frozen.  I can reopen the database, I just can't shut the Access
window down.
	
	
	        
	
	


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From lists at theopg.com  Tue Nov 18 12:56:52 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:56:52 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Cancel the mouse wheel....
In-Reply-To: <019e01c3ad7e$6aeac080$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <002201c3ae05$c8e49940$530b6bd5@netboxxp>

Hi all...

I'm using XP and would like to intercept the mousewheel when it scrolls
records, and if needed cancel the move record. I can catch it and see
the number of lines (count) etc. but what if I want to stop it changing
records ???

Thanks in advance

mark

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Nov 18 13:03:58 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:03:58 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with Access ADP and multiple-step OLE DB
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312453@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3FBA6D1E.5050307@shaw.ca>

Here is a snippet of code to look at Ado expanded errors

'where cnn is  ADODB Connection Object
   cnn.Close
   Set cnn = Nothing
  Exit Function
' ADO Error/Exception Handler
AdoError:
  Dim ErrNumber As Long
  Dim ErrSource As String
  Dim ErrDescription As String

   ErrNumber = Err.Number
   ErrSource = Err.Source
   ErrDescription = Err.Description

   AdoErrorExpanded cnn
   cnn.Close
   Set cnn = Nothing
'where Cnn is  Connection Object

End Function
Sub AdoErrorExpanded(Conn1 As ADODB.Connection)
' ADO Error/Exception Handler Expanded
   Dim Errs1 As ADODB.Errors
   Dim errLoop As ADODB.Error
   Dim i As Long
   Dim strMsgErr As String

   i = 1
   On Error Resume Next

   ' For any error condition, show results in debug
   ' Enumerate Errors collection and display properties
   '                  of each Error object.
   Set Errs1 = Conn1.Errors
   For Each errLoop In Errs1

      With errLoop
         Debug.Print " Error #" & i & ":"
         Debug.Print "   ADO Error   #" & .Number
         Debug.Print "   Description  " & .Description
         Debug.Print "   Source       " & .Source
         Debug.Print "   HelpFile     " & .HelpFile
         Debug.Print "   HelpContext  " & .HelpContext
         Debug.Print "   NativeError  " & .NativeError
         Debug.Print "   SQLState     " & .SQLState

         strMsgErr = " Error #" & i & ":"
         strMsgErr = strMsgErr & vbCrLf & "   ADO Error   #" & .Number
         strMsgErr = strMsgErr & vbCrLf & "   Description  " & .Description
         strMsgErr = strMsgErr & vbCrLf & "   Source       " & .Source
         strMsgErr = strMsgErr & vbCrLf & "   HelpFile     " & .HelpFile
         strMsgErr = strMsgErr & vbCrLf & "   HelpContext  " & .HelpContext
         strMsgErr = strMsgErr & vbCrLf & "   NativeError  " & .NativeError
         strMsgErr = strMsgErr & vbCrLf & "   SQLState     " & .SQLState
         MsgBox strMsgErr

         i = i + 1
      End With

   Next
With Conn1
Debug.Print "ADO Version: " & .Version & vbCrLf & _
"DBMS Name: " & .Properties("DBMS Name") & vbCrLf & _
"DBMS Version: " & .Properties("DBMS Version") & vbCrLf & _
"OLE DB Version: " & .Properties("OLE DB Version") & vbCrLf & _
"Provider Name: " & .Properties("Provider Name") & vbCrLf & _
"Provider Version: " & .Properties("Provider Version") & vbCrLf

Debug.Print "ADO Version: " & .Version & vbCrLf & _
 "DBMS Name: " & .Properties("DBMS Name") & vbCrLf & _
 "DBMS Version: " & .Properties("DBMS Version") & vbCrLf & _
 "OLE DB Version: " & .Properties("OLE DB Version") & vbCrLf & _
 "Provider Name: " & .Properties("Provider Name") & vbCrLf & _
 "Provider Version: " & .Properties("Provider Version") & vbCrLf & _
 "Driver Name: " & .Properties("Driver Name") & vbCrLf & _
 "Driver Version: " & .Properties("Driver Version") & vbCrLf & _
 "Driver ODBC Version: " & .Properties("Driver ODBC Version")
End With
End Sub






Charlotte Foust wrote:

>You need to error trap the ADO errors specifically and loop through the
>connection's errors collection to see what's going on.  A lot of ADO
>errors are "silent" in Access.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Liam Meadows [mailto:liam at energyexhausts.co.uk] 
>Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 7:07 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Problems with Access ADP and multiple-step OLE DB
>
>
>I am trying to create a form Based on an SQL table but when I try and
>exit from the form sometimes I get an error saying "'Multiple-step OLE
>DB operation generated errors. Check each OLE DB status value, if
>available. No work was done.". I have tried MSKB and changed the Persist
>Security Info to False in connection manager (File -> Connections ->
>All) and checked the registry setting as described in the MS KB but it
>still happens. Has anyone any idea how to resolve this ?
>
>Liam
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From rfv at entelix.com  Tue Nov 18 13:19:09 2003
From: rfv at entelix.com (rfv at entelix.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:19:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Sage RT script
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312458@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <200311181919.hAIJJP618240@databaseadvisors.com>

Solved!
Thanks to everybody.

Rudolf Vanek 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Martes, 18 de Noviembre de 2003 12:45 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sage RT script

You're right.  We had to start using the RunAccess.exe with our XP
shortcuts, although I don't recall it being an issue with earlier versions.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Murphy [mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 9:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sage RT script


The way that Sagekey gets around the problem of Access trying to open a
database in the last version of Access used when you have when you have
several versions of Access on the same computer is to open the application
through a small executable called runaccess.exe.  This should be what your
desktop shotcut calls, not Access.exe.  If the runtime is opened through
this method the registry setting that indicates what version of Access was
used last is not supposed to be reset to your runtime version.  If the
shortcut goes directly to Access.exe then that is the problem.

I'd contact tech support at Sagekey and have them work with you to resolve
the problem.  I have found them to be very helpfull.

Doug

Douglas Murphy
Murphy's Creativity
(619) 334-5121
doug at murphyscreativity.com
www.murphyscreativity.com




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of rfv at entelix.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:43 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sage RT script


Hi,
 
I hope somebody can help me.
 
I purchased the Sage MS Access XP RT script.
 
Now my cliente has Windows 2000 Pro and MS Access 2000 installed. When he
clicks on the shortcut of my app, a error message appears stating that this
application is not soported, wanting to open my app with Access 2000. So we
have to go to the runtime folder, click MS Access XP .exe., but the problem
is that he can not open his other Access 2000 db?s.
 
Is the Sage script not supposed tu avoid all this?
 
 
I hope somebody has the answer.
 
Rudolf F. Vanek
 
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Nov 18 13:58:54 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:58:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Cancel the mouse wheel....
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD794B@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Go here...

http://www.lebans.com/mousewheelonoff.htm

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	MarkH [SMTP:lists at theopg.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, November 18, 2003 1:57 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	[AccessD] Cancel the mouse wheel....
> 
> Hi all...
> 
> I'm using XP and would like to intercept the mousewheel when it scrolls
> records, and if needed cancel the move record. I can catch it and see
> the number of lines (count) etc. but what if I want to stop it changing
> records ???
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> mark
> 
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Tue Nov 18 14:09:40 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:09:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Combo Subform Entries
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C9C7@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I have a combobox on a main form that is used to select certain records on
the subform. For example, if you select Car from the combo, the subform
shows all the records for Car.
 
I need to be able to add an entry to the combobox on the main form & have it
available for use to add new records. So if I add Jeep to the NotInList
event of the combobox, Jeep would be in the list, the Combo would show Jeep,
& the subform should be blank & ready to add new entries for Jeep.
 
I tried Requery, I tried a seperate form for adding new entries to the list,
and OnClose of the form, requery the form, but nothing works. The entry is
in the list, but the subform stays on the previous selections entry. Or
should the requery go on the After Update of the Combo?
 
Virginia
 
On NotInList
 
    ' Return Control object that points to combo box.
    Set ctl = Me!cboLocation
    ' Prompt user to verify they wish to add new value.
    If MsgBox("Would you like to add '" & NewData & "' to the list?",
vbYesNo, "Add New Name") = vbYes Then
        ' Set Response argument to indicate that data is being added.
        Response = acDataErrAdded
        ' Add string in NewData argument to table.
        NewData = DoConv(NewData)
        strSQL = " INSERT INTO tbl_Location ( Location ) SELECT '" &
DoConv(NewData) & "'"
        DoCmd.SetWarnings False
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
        ctl.Value = NewData
        DoCmd.SetWarnings True
   
    Else
        ' If user chooses Cancel, suppress error message and undo changes.
        Response = acDataErrContinue
        ctl.Undo
    End If


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Nov 18 14:11:55 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:11:55 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Training Location Tables
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227599@main2.marlow.com>

If each class is only ever in one location, then just put the location ID as
a foriegn key in the tblClasses table.  However, if you may have multiple
locations for a class, then create a tblClassLocations table, which has an
Autonumber (ClassLocationID), the ClassID and the LocationID fields.  Then,
if you are just referring to a class, regardless of location (like if you
are putting in notes about the class...) then just use the ClassID field.
But if you are referring to a class in a particular location, (like a class
schedule), then use the ClassLocationID.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:26 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Training Location Tables


I am setting up a new database for training results. The records are entered
by location, each location has a class & an instructor. Then they track each
students comments about the class & instructor.
 
I am confused on how to set up the table to link the location with the
class. I created a tblLocation, tblInstructor, tblClasses. Would I need a
tblClassDetails that would contain the DetailID PK, ClassID, InstructorID, &
LocationID?
 
Or would I need just a DetailID & LocationID (tblDetailLocation). If so, how
do I connect that to the form to make the entries to the tblDetailLocation?
 
Or do I just add each field, tblLocation, tblInstructor, tblClasses to the
Main table that tracks the students comments?
 
Virginia
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Nov 18 14:12:33 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:12:33 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222759A@main2.marlow.com>

Tab control?

-----Original Message-----
From: Ervin Brindza [mailto:viner at eunet.yu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 7:17 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form


<Crossposted>
Hi,
I need an advice(Access97): on the main form I have 2 subforms, and 3
other(separated by meaning) subforms. The problem is that the users have
only 17" screen and I have to shrink the subforms too much. Can you provide
any reasonable solution? Like hiding one "thread" of subforms or open one
"thread of subforms" on some pop up window or something else?
Many TIA,
    Ervin
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Nov 18 14:14:02 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:14:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Map Netwrok Drive
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222759B@main2.marlow.com>

just shell out using the 'net use' function.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 9:48 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Map Netwrok Drive


Hello All,

Anyone know how(or if you can) to map a network drive using API calls?

Thanks,

Mark

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Nov 18 14:34:59 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:34:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Cancel the mouse wheel....
References: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD794B@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <3FBA8273.5020509@shaw.ca>

If that is not bad enough there is a new mouse out with a tiltable wheel 
not just rotating to allow
right to left scrolling.

Heenan, Lambert wrote:

>Go here...
>
>http://www.lebans.com/mousewheelonoff.htm
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:	MarkH [SMTP:lists at theopg.com]
>>Sent:	Tuesday, November 18, 2003 1:57 PM
>>To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject:	[AccessD] Cancel the mouse wheel....
>>
>>Hi all...
>>
>>I'm using XP and would like to intercept the mousewheel when it scrolls
>>records, and if needed cancel the move record. I can catch it and see
>>the number of lines (count) etc. but what if I want to stop it changing
>>records ???
>>
>>Thanks in advance
>>
>>mark
>>
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 18 14:55:43 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:55:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Many To Many
Message-ID: <004101c3ae16$55c6a0a0$210110ac@SUSANONE>

We hope to have a new issue out within the next week -- finally!

If anyone has a classified, please send the text to me privately at
ssharkins at bellsouth.net

Thanks!
Susan H.


From john at winhaven.net  Tue Nov 18 15:12:14 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:12:14 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Use Wildcards Correctly and Safely
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEKAFFAA.john@winhaven.net>

Access/VB/SQL Advisor Article
December 2003
Author Susan Sales Harkins

Nice Article Susan!

JB


From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 18 15:14:51 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:14:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Use Wildcards Correctly and Safely
References: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEKAFFAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <000801c3ae19$07d21610$210110ac@SUSANONE>

Thank you -- I appreciate that!

Susan H. 


> Access/VB/SQL Advisor Article
> December 2003
> Author Susan Sales Harkins
> 
> Nice Article Susan!
> 
> JB



From lists at theopg.com  Tue Nov 18 15:34:41 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:34:41 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Cancel the mouse wheel....
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD794B@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3ae1b$d6113db0$530b6bd5@netboxxp>

Thanks Lambert

mark

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: 18 November 2003 19:59
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cancel the mouse wheel....


Go here...

http://www.lebans.com/mousewheelonoff.htm

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> Sent:	Tuesday, November 18, 2003 1:57 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
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> 
> Hi all...
> 
> I'm using XP and would like to intercept the mousewheel when it 
> scrolls records, and if needed cancel the move record. I can catch it 
> and see the number of lines (count) etc. but what if I want to stop it

> changing records ???
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> mark
> 
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From lists at theopg.com  Tue Nov 18 15:35:09 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:35:09 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Cancel the mouse wheel....
In-Reply-To: <3FBA8273.5020509@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000101c3ae1b$d7689050$530b6bd5@netboxxp>

Great :@(

mark

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cancel the mouse wheel....


If that is not bad enough there is a new mouse out with a tiltable wheel

not just rotating to allow
right to left scrolling.

Heenan, Lambert wrote:

>Go here...
>
>http://www.lebans.com/mousewheelonoff.htm
>
>  
>
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>>Subject:	[AccessD] Cancel the mouse wheel....
>>
>>Hi all...
>>
>>I'm using XP and would like to intercept the mousewheel when it 
>>scrolls records, and if needed cancel the move record. I can catch it 
>>and see the number of lines (count) etc. but what if I want to stop it

>>changing records ???
>>
>>Thanks in advance
>>
>>mark
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Tue Nov 18 15:33:10 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:33:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Dynamic Sorting Report
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0106B784@natexch.jenkens.com>

I have a report I originally wrote in Access 97 that I have upgraded to XP.

This report sorts dynamically based on the values in a form.  This works as
advertised in 97, but has one quirk in XP.  If I try to sort by
ActionDueDate first then there is no discernable order to the report.  Any
other sort works fine for the first sort.  This is the only date in the sort
by fields.  If both the first and second sort are the ActionDueDate, then it
behaves as expected.

Some additional info:  If the first sort is Attorney, then the report is
grouped and each attorney is on a new page.  If it is different then the
breaks are turned off, but presumably in some ways it is still a group
though there is no visual indication of this in the report.  Out of
curiosity I left the breaks on and there are places where new pages are
started. The breaks are in the order of the month and first digit of the
day.  This makes me wonder if this date is being treated as a string for
some reason.  The sorting breaks down after that first digit of the day
though.

Debbie
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Nov 18 18:57:20 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:57:20 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Combo Subform Entries
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C9C7@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <008701c3ae38$164ecb10$41619a89@DDICK>

Hi Virginia
Demo sent off line
If anyone wants a me too then make 'em to d.dick at uws.edu.au
Any me too's direct to this list will be ignored, snubbed and otherwise shown contempt :-)

See ya

Darren

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To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:09 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Combo Subform Entries


> I have a combobox on a main form that is used to select certain records on
> the subform. For example, if you select Car from the combo, the subform
> shows all the records for Car.
>  
> I need to be able to add an entry to the combobox on the main form & have it
> available for use to add new records. So if I add Jeep to the NotInList
> event of the combobox, Jeep would be in the list, the Combo would show Jeep,
> & the subform should be blank & ready to add new entries for Jeep.
>  
> I tried Requery, I tried a seperate form for adding new entries to the list,
> and OnClose of the form, requery the form, but nothing works. The entry is
> in the list, but the subform stays on the previous selections entry. Or
> should the requery go on the After Update of the Combo?
>  
> Virginia
>  
> On NotInList
>  
>     ' Return Control object that points to combo box.
>     Set ctl = Me!cboLocation
>     ' Prompt user to verify they wish to add new value.
>     If MsgBox("Would you like to add '" & NewData & "' to the list?",
> vbYesNo, "Add New Name") = vbYes Then
>         ' Set Response argument to indicate that data is being added.
>         Response = acDataErrAdded
>         ' Add string in NewData argument to table.
>         NewData = DoConv(NewData)
>         strSQL = " INSERT INTO tbl_Location ( Location ) SELECT '" &
> DoConv(NewData) & "'"
>         DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>         DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
>         ctl.Value = NewData
>         DoCmd.SetWarnings True
>    
>     Else
>         ' If user chooses Cancel, suppress error message and undo changes.
>         Response = acDataErrContinue
>         ctl.Undo
>     End If
> 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 18 22:52:24 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:52:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server strangeness
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEOEFLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Awhile back I moved my client billing to SQL Server, just a simple upload of
the mdb data, and then relinked to the ODBC.  Nothing fancy.

It all just worked.

Now (since recovering EVERYTHING due to a hard disk crash), the LIKE keyword
is causing failures in the odbc call.  I use things like "LIKE
forms!someform!somecontrol" etc.  Now this fails (silently), just no data
returned.  Replace the LIKE with IN() and it works again.

The TRULY strange part is that I use a LIKE ccfrmWhich() EVERYWHERE in order
to only display active records in my forms.  That fails in a combo, but
succeeds in the form that hosts that combo.

I do so love Access / SQL Server.



John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 18 22:52:24 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:52:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server strangeness
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEOEFLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Awhile back I moved my client billing to SQL Server, just a simple upload of
the mdb data, and then relinked to the ODBC.  Nothing fancy.

It all just worked.

Now (since recovering EVERYTHING due to a hard disk crash), the LIKE keyword
is causing failures in the odbc call.  I use things like "LIKE
forms!someform!somecontrol" etc.  Now this fails (silently), just no data
returned.  Replace the LIKE with IN() and it works again.

The TRULY strange part is that I use a LIKE ccfrmWhich() EVERYWHERE in order
to only display active records in my forms.  That fails in a combo, but
succeeds in the form that hosts that combo.

I do so love Access / SQL Server.



John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From viner at eunet.yu  Wed Nov 19 01:48:59 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:48:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form
References: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCA09E20@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>
Message-ID: <014401c3ae72$7c171c60$0100a8c0@razvoj>

> I've used a main form to call several different subforms and I've also
> included tabs in the subform.
>
> Place a generic subform on the main form and change the subform being
used;
>
>    Me.genericsubformname.SourceObject = "Form Name"
>
Many thanks for the suggestions! I 'll try with gliding subforms...
Ervin




From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 19 05:50:52 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:50:52 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
In-Reply-To: <8615823653.20031103132209@cactus.dk>
References: <8615823653.20031103132209@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <18814505828.20031119125052@cactus.dk>

Hi All

Located this short article by Bill Ramos (Lead Program Manager,
Microsoft Office Access 2003) on InfoPath which addresses people like
us:  

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13108

and about the toolkit:

  http://msadvisor.com/doc/13297

/gustav


> Hi all

> Anyone familiar with these new products and if they somehow relate to
> Access?

> I've tried to browse some brochures but they are so hyped that it is
> just plain impossible to figure out wether these apps are fancy toys
> which will bring any machine to a crawl or if they could be useful
> tools in cooperation with Access and database applications.

> And how are the programmed if you wish to create custom build apps?
> I've located this link to a SDK related to InfoPath:

> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616-93aa-4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en

> but it looks like you need to take a deep breath and have a weekend
> set aside.

> Also, how much are they relying on specific MS server software like
> SharePoint or Exchange or pure MS environments or Office 2003 only? If
> so, the usefulness is very limited as our clients use a variety of
> systems. 

> /gustav


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 19 05:56:17 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:56:17 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
Message-ID: <19014831166.20031119125617@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
among the numerous authors:

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
This book chapter explains what it can do for you.  

/gustav


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 19 06:46:58 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:46:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
In-Reply-To: <19014831166.20031119125617@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEOPFLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL.

Thanks for the plug Gustav.  That would be my chapter, the only one in the
book that was brand new.  Had to do a little pushing to get it in there,
they thought it too "advanced" for a beginning basic book.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi all

Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
among the numerous authors:

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
This book chapter explains what it can do for you.

/gustav

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Nov 19 07:02:45 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:02:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K / AXP: Indirect Replication
Message-ID: <20031119070245.1140044549.serbach@new.rr.com>

Dear Group,

Has anyone here actually implemented Indirect Replication where the "drop box" for each computer is an FTP site? I'm a bit stymied by the configuration options in the Office XP Developer's Replication Manager. (My w/s is Windows 2000 Pro) That is:

1) I click on the "Support indirect synchronization" check box and click Next twice.
2) I click on the "Network..." button since I'm testing the situation where the computer is disconnected from a network.
3) In the "Browse Network Folders" dialog box I only "see" the drives and servers on my LAN, so I click on the Network button to "connect to a shared network folder."
4) I then see the "Map Network Drive" wizard dialog. I pick a drive letter, say, K:. Then I click on "Browse..." button to specify the folder to connect to.
5) I then see the "Browse for Folder" dialog, which shows me my Network Places. I see the folder I created that points to my FTP site. But when I click on the folder the OK button in the dialog box remains unavailable because the FTP folder, apparently, isn't a shared network folder. If I click on a folder on my file server then the OK button is available.
6) So back to the wizard in step 4). There's a link to "Create a shortcut to a Web folder or FTP site." I click on that.
7) I'm now at the "Add Network Place Wizard." I type in the ftp:// path to the FTP site and click Next.
8) I'm asked whether I want to log in anonymously. I un-check the box and then enter the User name that I set up for the FTP site. The prompt under the User name says that I'll be prompted for a password when I connect to the FTP server. I click Next.
9) I then enter a name for the Network Place and click Finish.
10) Then I see the password prompt for the User name I entered.
11) Then a window appears with the ftp:// address in the title bar and the list of files on the FTP site. Looks good so far.
12) But now I'm back to step 3). I click on the Network button again.
13) Now I'm back at step 4). I click on "Browse..." and once again see all My Network Places. Sure enough, there's the new FTP folder I created. But when I select it, the OK button remains unavailable because, I guess, it isn't shared.

Sorry for the long explanation. It helps me to do it step-by-step like that. What am I missing? I can't even begin a test of Indirect Replication unless the Replication Manager can see the FTP folder, can I?

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Nov 19 07:02:54 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:02:54 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEOPFLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001201c3ae9d$725a39c0$9111758f@aine>

Mine where brand new as well. Not as good but new LOL

Martin



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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:46 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


> LOL.
>
> Thanks for the plug Gustav.  That would be my chapter, the only one in the
> book that was brand new.  Had to do a little pushing to get it in there,
> they thought it too "advanced" for a beginning basic book.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:56 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
>
> Hi all
>
> Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
> among the numerous authors:
>
>   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276
>
> Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
> One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
> handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
> This book chapter explains what it can do for you.
>
> /gustav
>
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Nov 19 07:14:40 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:14:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Combo Subform Entries
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C9CF@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Anyway, I guess I am still doing something wrong because when I add a new
entry it still does not show the new entry as the selection.

When I add a new entry it refreshes back to the first entry in the list. I
set the LocationID to visible on each form so I can see what was happening.
The subform locationID is set to the new entry after I reselect the new
entry, but the main form with the combobox does not.

ComboBox (main form) shows Austin = LocationID 23
Subform LocationID = 23

Add new entry: LocationID should be 24
Main Form shows LocationID = 23
Subform LocationID = 24

Another think I noticed - sometimes when I open the form, the LocationID
shows on the Main form, but not the subform. I close the form & reopen & the
LocationID shows in the subform.

What have I done here??

Virginia


-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Combo Subform Entries


Hi Virginia
Demo sent off line
If anyone wants a me too then make 'em to d.dick at uws.edu.au
Any me too's direct to this list will be ignored, snubbed and otherwise
shown contempt :-)

See ya

Darren

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From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:09 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Combo Subform Entries


> I have a combobox on a main form that is used to select certain records on
> the subform. For example, if you select Car from the combo, the subform
> shows all the records for Car.
>  
> I need to be able to add an entry to the combobox on the main form & have
it
> available for use to add new records. So if I add Jeep to the NotInList
> event of the combobox, Jeep would be in the list, the Combo would show
Jeep,
> & the subform should be blank & ready to add new entries for Jeep.
>  
> I tried Requery, I tried a seperate form for adding new entries to the
list,
> and OnClose of the form, requery the form, but nothing works. The entry is
> in the list, but the subform stays on the previous selections entry. Or
> should the requery go on the After Update of the Combo?
>  
> Virginia
>  
> On NotInList
>  
>     ' Return Control object that points to combo box.
>     Set ctl = Me!cboLocation
>     ' Prompt user to verify they wish to add new value.
>     If MsgBox("Would you like to add '" & NewData & "' to the list?",
> vbYesNo, "Add New Name") = vbYes Then
>         ' Set Response argument to indicate that data is being added.
>         Response = acDataErrAdded
>         ' Add string in NewData argument to table.
>         NewData = DoConv(NewData)
>         strSQL = " INSERT INTO tbl_Location ( Location ) SELECT '" &
> DoConv(NewData) & "'"
>         DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>         DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
>         ctl.Value = NewData
>         DoCmd.SetWarnings True
>    
>     Else
>         ' If user chooses Cancel, suppress error message and undo changes.
>         Response = acDataErrContinue
>         ctl.Undo
>     End If
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 19 07:14:51 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:14:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEOPFLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEOPFLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <10219544613.20031119141451@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Yes, one can feel the "JC breath"*) when reading.

I'm glad you succeeded in getting this chapter in. It is advanced but
without it Access would miss an arm. And MS keeps it as a secret -
without the postings and examples from Shamil and you, I wonder if I
would ever have noticed this topic.

/gustav

*) Uppercase comments.

PS: Notice the printer friendly version:

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/Articles.nsf/dp/A6CBCC9F0ED68B2E88256DD4007C2FDD


> LOL.

> Thanks for the plug Gustav.  That would be my chapter, the only one in the
> book that was brand new.  Had to do a little pushing to get it in there,
> they thought it too "advanced" for a beginning basic book.

> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:56 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


> Hi all

> Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
> among the numerous authors:

>   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

> Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

> One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
> handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
> This book chapter explains what it can do for you.

> /gustav


From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Wed Nov 19 07:31:20 2003
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:31:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Question
Message-ID: <sfbb2ab5.063@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>

I don't think I saw a reply to this question, so I'll pass this on. I
don't know exactly what you are trying to accomplish, but I used the
following code to test column A for Odd or Even. If it is blank it
returns "BLANK", but you could always have it do nothing ("").
 
 
=IF(ISBLANK(A3),"BLANK",IF(MOD(A3,2)=0,"EVEN","ODD"))

John W Clark

>>> pcs at azizaz.com 11/18/03 12:23AM >>>
Hi,
anyone with a quick answer to this one:

Excel appears to treat blank cell as zero

I've created a function that tests the value in a cell (say A1) using
Select
Case and delivers a value in another cell (say B1) depending on value
in
cell.

The function tests on values 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and responds with a
message
if any other value is entered.

So far so good!

Now, the annoying part is that a blank value - null - is treated as
ZERO by
the function.


How do I turn this off - so that a the value of a blank cell is treated
as
null ???

Regards


Borge,


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 19 07:38:53 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:38:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
In-Reply-To: <001201c3ae9d$725a39c0$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEPBFLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Sorry Martin, I didn't realize.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Mine where brand new as well. Not as good but new LOL

Martin



----- Original Message -----
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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:46 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


> LOL.
>
> Thanks for the plug Gustav.  That would be my chapter, the only one in the
> book that was brand new.  Had to do a little pushing to get it in there,
> they thought it too "advanced" for a beginning basic book.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:56 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
>
> Hi all
>
> Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
> among the numerous authors:
>
>   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276
>
> Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
> One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
> handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
> This book chapter explains what it can do for you.
>
> /gustav
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Nov 19 06:40:25 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:40:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
Message-ID: <20031119134021.89D14256FCE@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

John, you must have pushed too hard. Wrox have left you off the author's
list :-(

http://www.wrox.com/books/0764544020.shtml

Sue 'em, I say.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
Date: 19/11/03 17:50


LOL.

Thanks for the plug Gustav. That would be my chapter, the only one in the
book that was brand new. Had to do a little pushing to get it in there,
they thought it too "advanced" for a beginning basic book.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi all

Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
among the numerous authors:

http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
This book chapter explains what it can do for you.

/gustav



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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Nov 19 07:43:30 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:43:30 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEPBFLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c3aea3$1e6a2180$9111758f@aine>

only kidding John.

As I said to you before, the stuff you put in is much better that anything
in the previous versions.

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:38 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


> Sorry Martin, I didn't realize.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:03 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
>
> Mine where brand new as well. Not as good but new LOL
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:46 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
>
> > LOL.
> >
> > Thanks for the plug Gustav.  That would be my chapter, the only one in
the
> > book that was brand new.  Had to do a little pushing to get it in there,
> > they thought it too "advanced" for a beginning basic book.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:56 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> >
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
> > among the numerous authors:
> >
> >   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276
> >
> > Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> >
> > One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
> > handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
> > This book chapter explains what it can do for you.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Wed Nov 19 07:41:05 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:41:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Dynamic Sorting Report
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0106B788@natexch.jenkens.com>

Many hours since I sent the original, so I am re-sending.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie 
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 3:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Dynamic Sorting Report


I have a report I originally wrote in Access 97 that I have upgraded to XP.

This report sorts dynamically based on the values in a form.  This works as
advertised in 97, but has one quirk in XP.  If I try to sort by
ActionDueDate first then there is no discernable order to the report.  Any
other sort works fine for the first sort.  This is the only date in the sort
by fields.  If both the first and second sort are the ActionDueDate, then it
behaves as expected.

Some additional info:  If the first sort is Attorney, then the report is
grouped and each attorney is on a new page.  If it is different then the
breaks are turned off, but presumably in some ways it is still a group
though there is no visual indication of this in the report.  Out of
curiosity I left the breaks on and there are places where new pages are
started. The breaks are in the order of the month and first digit of the
day.  This makes me wonder if this date is being treated as a string for
some reason.  The sorting breaks down after that first digit of the day
though.

Debbie
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 19 08:58:54 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:58:54 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form
Message-ID: <BAY1-F89oNtdbAfY8Z200018fa3@hotmail.com>

Ervin,

Could you use tabs...1 subform per tab?

Hope it helps...

Mark


>From: "Ervin Brindza" <viner at eunet.yu>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form
>Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:16:57 +0100
>
><Crossposted>
>Hi,
>I need an advice(Access97): on the main form I have 2 subforms, and 3 
>other(separated by meaning) subforms. The problem is that the users have 
>only 17" screen and I have to shrink the subforms too much. Can you provide 
>any reasonable solution? Like hiding one "thread" of subforms or open one 
>"thread of subforms" on some pop up window or something else?
>Many TIA,
>     Ervin
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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Wed Nov 19 10:10:05 2003
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:10:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222759A@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <003801c3aeb7$990bee50$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>

If the data is heirarchical in nature, subdatasheets are also a possibility.
Like a treeview control, they allow users to drill down to the level of
detail they require.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 2:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form


Tab control?

-----Original Message-----
From: Ervin Brindza [mailto:viner at eunet.yu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 7:17 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form


<Crossposted>
Hi,
I need an advice(Access97): on the main form I have 2 subforms, and 3
other(separated by meaning) subforms. The problem is that the users have
only 17" screen and I have to shrink the subforms too much. Can you provide
any reasonable solution? Like hiding one "thread" of subforms or open one
"thread of subforms" on some pop up window or something else?
Many TIA,
    Ervin
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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Wed Nov 19 10:31:05 2003
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:31:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
Message-ID: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E2395EF@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Just wondering...is this article the entire chapter or is there more in the
book on this topic?

Thanks!
JR

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent

only kidding John.

As I said to you before, the stuff you put in is much better that anything
in the previous versions.

Martin


----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:38 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


> Sorry Martin, I didn't realize.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:03 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
>
> Mine where brand new as well. Not as good but new LOL
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:46 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
>
> > LOL.
> >
> > Thanks for the plug Gustav.  That would be my chapter, the only one in
the
> > book that was brand new.  Had to do a little pushing to get it in there,
> > they thought it too "advanced" for a beginning basic book.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:56 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> >
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
> > among the numerous authors:
> >
> >   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276
> >
> > Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> >
> > One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
> > handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
> > This book chapter explains what it can do for you.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 19 10:45:06 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:45:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631245C@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Am I the only one who thinks Access is history?  Heaven knows what they
intend to use to *analyze* that data they collect with InfoPath.  I
certainly won't volunteer to do it because I had too much experience
trying to do something similar with data collected (similarly except for
the XML) in FileMaker!  Yuck!!  Relational design is apparently too hard
for people to learn so we're going to use XML instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote


Hi All

Located this short article by Bill Ramos (Lead Program Manager,
Microsoft Office Access 2003) on InfoPath which addresses people like
us:  

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13108

and about the toolkit:

  http://msadvisor.com/doc/13297

/gustav


> Hi all

> Anyone familiar with these new products and if they somehow relate to 
> Access?

> I've tried to browse some brochures but they are so hyped that it is 
> just plain impossible to figure out wether these apps are fancy toys 
> which will bring any machine to a crawl or if they could be useful 
> tools in cooperation with Access and database applications.

> And how are the programmed if you wish to create custom build apps? 
> I've located this link to a SDK related to InfoPath:

> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616-93aa
> -4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en

> but it looks like you need to take a deep breath and have a weekend 
> set aside.

> Also, how much are they relying on specific MS server software like 
> SharePoint or Exchange or pure MS environments or Office 2003 only? If

> so, the usefulness is very limited as our clients use a variety of 
> systems.

> /gustav

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Nov 19 11:03:06 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:03:06 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631245C@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <002b01c3aebf$006a5120$9111758f@aine>

Yeah XML but inside a relational database.

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote


> Am I the only one who thinks Access is history?  Heaven knows what they
> intend to use to *analyze* that data they collect with InfoPath.  I
> certainly won't volunteer to do it because I had too much experience
> trying to do something similar with data collected (similarly except for
> the XML) in FileMaker!  Yuck!!  Relational design is apparently too hard
> for people to learn so we're going to use XML instead.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
>
>
> Hi All
>
> Located this short article by Bill Ramos (Lead Program Manager,
> Microsoft Office Access 2003) on InfoPath which addresses people like
> us:
>
>   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13108
>
> and about the toolkit:
>
>   http://msadvisor.com/doc/13297
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Hi all
>
> > Anyone familiar with these new products and if they somehow relate to
> > Access?
>
> > I've tried to browse some brochures but they are so hyped that it is
> > just plain impossible to figure out wether these apps are fancy toys
> > which will bring any machine to a crawl or if they could be useful
> > tools in cooperation with Access and database applications.
>
> > And how are the programmed if you wish to create custom build apps?
> > I've located this link to a SDK related to InfoPath:
>
> > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616-93aa
> > -4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en
>
> > but it looks like you need to take a deep breath and have a weekend
> > set aside.
>
> > Also, how much are they relying on specific MS server software like
> > SharePoint or Exchange or pure MS environments or Office 2003 only? If
>
> > so, the usefulness is very limited as our clients use a variety of
> > systems.
>
> > /gustav
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 19 11:12:06 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:12:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631245C@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631245C@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <033779752.20031119181206@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Though without having touched it yet, I see xforms and InfoPath as
tools for more or less platform independent data entry and lookup.

The important thing is that you should be able to build in data
validation it a high level without having to do the usual roundtrips
to a server or rely on specail applets, ActiveX modules etc.

But I have the same wonderings as you: where do these generated xml
files go? Somewhere they have to be munched and entered into some kind
of central storage (SQL engine). For any application with high traffic
this calls for a sort of message queue and then all the "quick and
easy" is gone.

/gustav


> Am I the only one who thinks Access is history?  Heaven knows what they
> intend to use to *analyze* that data they collect with InfoPath.  I
> certainly won't volunteer to do it because I had too much experience
> trying to do something similar with data collected (similarly except for
> the XML) in FileMaker!  Yuck!!  Relational design is apparently too hard
> for people to learn so we're going to use XML instead.

> Charlotte Foust

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote


> Hi All

> Located this short article by Bill Ramos (Lead Program Manager,
> Microsoft Office Access 2003) on InfoPath which addresses people like
> us:  

>   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13108

> and about the toolkit:

>   http://msadvisor.com/doc/13297

> /gustav


>> Hi all

>> Anyone familiar with these new products and if they somehow relate to 
>> Access?

>> I've tried to browse some brochures but they are so hyped that it is 
>> just plain impossible to figure out wether these apps are fancy toys 
>> which will bring any machine to a crawl or if they could be useful 
>> tools in cooperation with Access and database applications.

>> And how are the programmed if you wish to create custom build apps? 
>> I've located this link to a SDK related to InfoPath:

>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616-93aa
>> -4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en

>> but it looks like you need to take a deep breath and have a weekend 
>> set aside.

>> Also, how much are they relying on specific MS server software like 
>> SharePoint or Exchange or pure MS environments or Office 2003 only? If

>> so, the usefulness is very limited as our clients use a variety of 
>> systems.

>> /gustav


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 19 11:30:22 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:30:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3F8@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I have nothing at all against XML (except the lack of security) and
think it's a great tool, but there is nothing inherently relational
about XML.  So are they introducing an entirely new object-based data
model, or what?  "Design a form and don't worry about the data
structure" ... Until later?  I think of the nightmare designs I've seen
in Excel and wonder just how far they intend to take this.  Just because
ADO and XML can give you very flexible access to data doesn't mean the
data can be shaped any ol' which way and still make sense!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote


Yeah XML but inside a relational database.

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote


> Am I the only one who thinks Access is history?  Heaven knows what 
> they intend to use to *analyze* that data they collect with InfoPath.

> I certainly won't volunteer to do it because I had too much experience

> trying to do something similar with data collected (similarly except 
> for the XML) in FileMaker!  Yuck!!  Relational design is apparently 
> too hard for people to learn so we're going to use XML instead.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
>
>
> Hi All
>
> Located this short article by Bill Ramos (Lead Program Manager, 
> Microsoft Office Access 2003) on InfoPath which addresses people like
> us:
>
>   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13108
>
> and about the toolkit:
>
>   http://msadvisor.com/doc/13297
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Hi all
>
> > Anyone familiar with these new products and if they somehow relate 
> > to Access?
>
> > I've tried to browse some brochures but they are so hyped that it is

> > just plain impossible to figure out wether these apps are fancy toys

> > which will bring any machine to a crawl or if they could be useful 
> > tools in cooperation with Access and database applications.
>
> > And how are the programmed if you wish to create custom build apps? 
> > I've located this link to a SDK related to InfoPath:
>
> > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616-93
> > aa
> > -4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en
>
> > but it looks like you need to take a deep breath and have a weekend 
> > set aside.
>
> > Also, how much are they relying on specific MS server software like 
> > SharePoint or Exchange or pure MS environments or Office 2003 only? 
> > If
>
> > so, the usefulness is very limited as our clients use a variety of 
> > systems.
>
> > /gustav
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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>

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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Wed Nov 19 11:31:32 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:31:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ODBC Driver Automation
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7835@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Does anyone know of a way to automate the process of setting up an ODBC
driver to a SQL Server?

This would be extremely helpful.

 

Thanks,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Nov 19 11:38:06 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:38:06 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3F8@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000b01c3aec3$e3e160c0$9111758f@aine>

True

Here a code from someone at Microsoft when I asked about this stuff

"We have bet the farm on XML"

To be honest I hardly touched Infopath and OneNote during the entire beta
process. I have noticed that all big RDBMS are now including some form of
XML functionality (Oracle and DB2) and the new version of SQL Server has a
lot of features.

Lot of arguments on database debunkings re this sort of stuff and the move
away from simple relational data tp XML. Video etc all stored within the
database.

Just out of interest I am goign to copy this thread to Bill Ramos see if he
is willing to make a comment for the lsit on this. Is that OK with you both?

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:30 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote


> I have nothing at all against XML (except the lack of security) and
> think it's a great tool, but there is nothing inherently relational
> about XML.  So are they introducing an entirely new object-based data
> model, or what?  "Design a form and don't worry about the data
> structure" ... Until later?  I think of the nightmare designs I've seen
> in Excel and wonder just how far they intend to take this.  Just because
> ADO and XML can give you very flexible access to data doesn't mean the
> data can be shaped any ol' which way and still make sense!
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:03 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
>
>
> Yeah XML but inside a relational database.
>
> Martin
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:45 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
>
>
> > Am I the only one who thinks Access is history?  Heaven knows what
> > they intend to use to *analyze* that data they collect with InfoPath.
>
> > I certainly won't volunteer to do it because I had too much experience
>
> > trying to do something similar with data collected (similarly except
> > for the XML) in FileMaker!  Yuck!!  Relational design is apparently
> > too hard for people to learn so we're going to use XML instead.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:51 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
> >
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > Located this short article by Bill Ramos (Lead Program Manager,
> > Microsoft Office Access 2003) on InfoPath which addresses people like
> > us:
> >
> >   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13108
> >
> > and about the toolkit:
> >
> >   http://msadvisor.com/doc/13297
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > > Hi all
> >
> > > Anyone familiar with these new products and if they somehow relate
> > > to Access?
> >
> > > I've tried to browse some brochures but they are so hyped that it is
>
> > > just plain impossible to figure out wether these apps are fancy toys
>
> > > which will bring any machine to a crawl or if they could be useful
> > > tools in cooperation with Access and database applications.
> >
> > > And how are the programmed if you wish to create custom build apps?
> > > I've located this link to a SDK related to InfoPath:
> >
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616-93
> > > aa
> > > -4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en
> >
> > > but it looks like you need to take a deep breath and have a weekend
> > > set aside.
> >
> > > Also, how much are they relying on specific MS server software like
> > > SharePoint or Exchange or pure MS environments or Office 2003 only?
> > > If
> >
> > > so, the usefulness is very limited as our clients use a variety of
> > > systems.
> >
> > > /gustav
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 19 11:40:02 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:40:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
Message-ID: <19535455983.20031119184002@cactus.dk>

Boring day.
So here's a quick quiz to wake you up.

The time value of #02:00 AM# equals

   12/30/1899 02:00 AM

What does - off your head - this expression return:

? Format(DateAdd("h", -3, #02:00 AM#),"mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")

a) 12/30/1898 11:00 PM
b) 12/30/1899 01:00 AM
c) 12/30/1899 05:00 AM
d) 12/30/1899 05:00 PM
e) 12/30/1899 11:00 PM

The tricky part is DateAdd(). Format(), it is only for ensuring a
consistent format of the return value.

Morale: Be careful with negative time values.

/gustav


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 19 11:42:59 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:42:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
In-Reply-To: <000b01c3aec3$e3e160c0$9111758f@aine>
References:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3F8@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
 <000b01c3aec3$e3e160c0$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <8735633207.20031119184259@cactus.dk>

Hi Martin

Yes. No problem.

/gustav

> Just out of interest I am goign to copy this thread to Bill Ramos see if he
> is willing to make a comment for the lsit on this. Is that OK with you both?


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Nov 19 11:46:54 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:46:54 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
References: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E2395EF@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c3aec5$1f1adb70$9111758f@aine>

Who needs the book when you have JC on the list (<:


Martin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Rojas" <JRojas at tnco-inc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:31 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


> Just wondering...is this article the entire chapter or is there more in
the
> book on this topic?
>
> Thanks!
> JR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:44 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
> only kidding John.
>
> As I said to you before, the stuff you put in is much better that anything
> in the previous versions.
>
> Martin
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:38 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
>
> > Sorry Martin, I didn't realize.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:03 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> >
> >
> > Mine where brand new as well. Not as good but new LOL
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:46 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> >
> >
> > > LOL.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the plug Gustav.  That would be my chapter, the only one in
> the
> > > book that was brand new.  Had to do a little pushing to get it in
there,
> > > they thought it too "advanced" for a beginning basic book.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:56 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
> > > among the numerous authors:
> > >
> > >   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276
> > >
> > > Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> > >
> > > One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
> > > handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
> > > This book chapter explains what it can do for you.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 19 12:01:18 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:01:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631245F@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

It's certainly OK with me.  It would be nice to know whether I need to
get into a new line of work! <G>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote


True

Here a code from someone at Microsoft when I asked about this stuff

"We have bet the farm on XML"

To be honest I hardly touched Infopath and OneNote during the entire
beta process. I have noticed that all big RDBMS are now including some
form of XML functionality (Oracle and DB2) and the new version of SQL
Server has a lot of features.

Lot of arguments on database debunkings re this sort of stuff and the
move away from simple relational data tp XML. Video etc all stored
within the database.

Just out of interest I am goign to copy this thread to Bill Ramos see if
he is willing to make a comment for the lsit on this. Is that OK with
you both?

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:30 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote


> I have nothing at all against XML (except the lack of security) and 
> think it's a great tool, but there is nothing inherently relational 
> about XML.  So are they introducing an entirely new object-based data 
> model, or what?  "Design a form and don't worry about the data 
> structure" ... Until later?  I think of the nightmare designs I've 
> seen in Excel and wonder just how far they intend to take this.  Just 
> because ADO and XML can give you very flexible access to data doesn't 
> mean the data can be shaped any ol' which way and still make sense!
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:03 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
>
>
> Yeah XML but inside a relational database.
>
> Martin
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:45 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
>
>
> > Am I the only one who thinks Access is history?  Heaven knows what 
> > they intend to use to *analyze* that data they collect with 
> > InfoPath.
>
> > I certainly won't volunteer to do it because I had too much 
> > experience
>
> > trying to do something similar with data collected (similarly except

> > for the XML) in FileMaker!  Yuck!!  Relational design is apparently 
> > too hard for people to learn so we're going to use XML instead.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:51 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
> >
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > Located this short article by Bill Ramos (Lead Program Manager, 
> > Microsoft Office Access 2003) on InfoPath which addresses people 
> > like
> > us:
> >
> >   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13108
> >
> > and about the toolkit:
> >
> >   http://msadvisor.com/doc/13297
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > > Hi all
> >
> > > Anyone familiar with these new products and if they somehow relate

> > > to Access?
> >
> > > I've tried to browse some brochures but they are so hyped that it 
> > > is
>
> > > just plain impossible to figure out wether these apps are fancy 
> > > toys
>
> > > which will bring any machine to a crawl or if they could be useful

> > > tools in cooperation with Access and database applications.
> >
> > > And how are the programmed if you wish to create custom build 
> > > apps? I've located this link to a SDK related to InfoPath:
> >
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616-
> > > 93
> > > aa
> > > -4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en
> >
> > > but it looks like you need to take a deep breath and have a 
> > > weekend set aside.
> >
> > > Also, how much are they relying on specific MS server software 
> > > like SharePoint or Exchange or pure MS environments or Office 2003

> > > only? If
> >
> > > so, the usefulness is very limited as our clients use a variety of

> > > systems.
> >
> > > /gustav
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Wed Nov 19 12:11:28 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:11:28 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
Message-ID: <OF02AB9C9C.A33F8C6C-ON86256DE3.0063C5BB-86256DE3.0063ED69@nc.us.bank-dns.com>


I thought it would be either a or d.  But when I ran it I got 12/29/1899
11:00 PM.

I used the following:

Function test()
MsgBox Format(DateAdd("h", -3, #2:00:00 AM#), "mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")
End Function


                                                                                                                                 
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Boring day.
So here's a quick quiz to wake you up.

The time value of #02:00 AM# equals

   12/30/1899 02:00 AM

What does - off your head - this expression return:

? Format(DateAdd("h", -3, #02:00 AM#),"mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")

a) 12/30/1898 11:00 PM
b) 12/30/1899 01:00 AM
c) 12/30/1899 05:00 AM
d) 12/30/1899 05:00 PM
e) 12/30/1899 11:00 PM

The tricky part is DateAdd(). Format(), it is only for ensuring a
consistent format of the return value.

Morale: Be careful with negative time values.

/gustav

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From Elizabeth.Carter at telus.com  Wed Nov 19 12:30:23 2003
From: Elizabeth.Carter at telus.com (Elizabeth Carter)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:30:23 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
Message-ID: <C92CA56342E90843BF148AE54BCA9579011E3E57@bcmsg010.corp.ads>

The answer you got is the one I would have expected off the top of my head... but it wasn't an option in the answers.

Liz

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Sent: November 19, 2003 10:11 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values



I thought it would be either a or d.  But when I ran it I got 12/29/1899
11:00 PM.

I used the following:

Function test()
MsgBox Format(DateAdd("h", -3, #2:00:00 AM#), "mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")
End Function


                                                                                                                                 
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Boring day.
So here's a quick quiz to wake you up.

The time value of #02:00 AM# equals

   12/30/1899 02:00 AM

What does - off your head - this expression return:

? Format(DateAdd("h", -3, #02:00 AM#),"mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")

a) 12/30/1898 11:00 PM
b) 12/30/1899 01:00 AM
c) 12/30/1899 05:00 AM
d) 12/30/1899 05:00 PM
e) 12/30/1899 11:00 PM

The tricky part is DateAdd(). Format(), it is only for ensuring a
consistent format of the return value.

Morale: Be careful with negative time values.

/gustav

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From starkey at wanadoo.nl  Wed Nov 19 12:36:19 2003
From: starkey at wanadoo.nl (StaRKeY)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:36:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ODBC Driver Automation
In-Reply-To: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7835@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Message-ID: <LBEOIIMDLCKFLLKNJCMECEGGCLAA.starkey@wanadoo.nl>

Mark,

setting up the driver or the ODBC (user/system/file) dsn?
The driver has to be installed on the system, no way to automate this but
with execution of the driver installation file.

As for setting up an ODBC connection to a database you could look into this
hint: dbengine.RegisterDatabase

I also found this code on the web:
http://www.utteraccess.com/forums/access/access173548.html


Regards,
Eric Starkenburg


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Sent: woensdag 19 november 2003 18:32
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ODBC Driver Automation


Does anyone know of a way to automate the process of setting up an ODBC
driver to a SQL Server?

This would be extremely helpful.



Thanks,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.



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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Wed Nov 19 12:39:05 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:39:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ODBC Driver Automation
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D18990F@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Thanks Eric, I think I can use 'DBEngine.RegisterDatabase' to do what I
need.

Mark

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Subject: RE: [AccessD] ODBC Driver Automation

Mark,

setting up the driver or the ODBC (user/system/file) dsn?
The driver has to be installed on the system, no way to automate this
but
with execution of the driver installation file.

As for setting up an ODBC connection to a database you could look into
this
hint: dbengine.RegisterDatabase

I also found this code on the web:
http://www.utteraccess.com/forums/access/access173548.html


Regards,
Eric Starkenburg


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Subject: [AccessD] ODBC Driver Automation


Does anyone know of a way to automate the process of setting up an ODBC
driver to a SQL Server?

This would be extremely helpful.



Thanks,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Wed Nov 19 12:39:19 2003
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:39:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Auto install fonts
Message-ID: <sfbb7301.049@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>

Thanks for the tip Gustav! Sorry for the delayed response...I've been
off quite a bit lately and, when I have been here, there has been many
diversions...today it is a 'toasted' server.
 
I not only downloaded Inno Setup, but I also downloaded IS Tool, which
is an interface designed for Inno, but created by another developer. It
seems like it is exactly what I need, but it also looks like it is going
to take some learning. 
 
Where did you get the <snip> that you sent me? I would like to
investigate it more. I actually have it working except for the font...I
don't know where to put it.
 
Thanks again. I believe this will save my department hours of work, in
the long run.
 
John W Clark


>>> gustav at cactus.dk 11/14/03 11:04AM >>>
Hi John

You can use the free Inno Setup for this:

  http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php 


<snip>

FontInstall

  Description:
Tells Setup the file is a font that needs to be installed. The value
of this parameter is the name of the font as stored in the registry or
WIN.INI. This must be exactly the same name as you see when you
double-click the font file in Explorer. Note that Setup will
automatically append " (TrueType)" to the end of the name.    

If the file is not a TrueType font, you must specify the flag
fontisnttruetype in the Flags parameter.

It's recommended that you use the flags onlyifdoesntexist and
uninsneveruninstall when installing fonts to the {fonts} directory. 
To successfully install a font on Windows 2000/XP, the user must be a
member of the Power Users or Administrators groups. On Windows NT 4.0
and earlier, anyone can install a font.

  Example:
Source: "OZHANDIN.TTF"; DestDir: "{fonts}"; FontInstall: "Oz Handicraft
BT"; Flags: onlyifdoesntexist uninsneveruninstall 

</snip>

/gustav


> I use basically the same 'look' for all (or most) of the programs
that I
> write for my employer. This 'look' includes two fonts that are not
> standard (airfoil.ttf and motley.ttf). When I install these programs
to
> a new computer, it is necessary for me to copy these ttf files and
then
> install them via 'control panel' and 'fonts'.

> This was all fine for a while, but now the number of programs is
> growing, as is the amount of users and the physical area that they
are
> spread over. Now I cannot always be the one who does the actual
> installation, so I have been trying to create an automated process
for
> the install of these programs. I currently use a batch file that
creates
> a directory in 'Program Files' on their root drive, copies the files
> into this directory, and copies a shortcut onto their desktop. The
> remaining problem is that the fonts need to be installed, and I
don't
> know how to get around having them install the font--I don't want
them
> to touch anything they don't need to touch.

> Is there a way to do this? I have never used any of the 'installer'
> programs that I have read about, on this list--is this what I need to
be
> looking at? And, if so, which ones? I think I have noticed 'Install
> Shield' (?) the most.

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 19 13:15:58 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:15:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Auto install fonts
In-Reply-To: <sfbb7301.049@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>
References: <sfbb7301.049@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <2541211889.20031119201558@cactus.dk>

Hi John

The snip is from the help file.

If you study this - it's more like a reference - while looking at the
included samples (*.iss), you should be off.

As for "where to put it"? I guess you mean the source directory?
Either you can specify the full path of the font file:

Source: "S:\SETUP\fonts\TrueType\OZHANDIN.TTF"; ..

or insert a parameter under the [Setup] section:

SourceDir=c:\files

/gustav


> Thanks for the tip Gustav! Sorry for the delayed response...I've been
> off quite a bit lately and, when I have been here, there has been many
> diversions...today it is a 'toasted' server.
 
> I not only downloaded Inno Setup, but I also downloaded IS Tool, which
> is an interface designed for Inno, but created by another developer. It
> seems like it is exactly what I need, but it also looks like it is going
> to take some learning. 
 
> Where did you get the <snip> that you sent me? I would like to
> investigate it more. I actually have it working except for the font...I
> don't know where to put it.
 
> Thanks again. I believe this will save my department hours of work, in
> the long run.
 
> John W Clark


>>>> gustav at cactus.dk 11/14/03 11:04AM >>>
> Hi John

> You can use the free Inno Setup for this:

>   http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php 


> <snip>

> FontInstall

>   Description:
> Tells Setup the file is a font that needs to be installed. The value
> of this parameter is the name of the font as stored in the registry or
> WIN.INI. This must be exactly the same name as you see when you
> double-click the font file in Explorer. Note that Setup will
> automatically append " (TrueType)" to the end of the name.    

> If the file is not a TrueType font, you must specify the flag
> fontisnttruetype in the Flags parameter.

> It's recommended that you use the flags onlyifdoesntexist and
> uninsneveruninstall when installing fonts to the {fonts} directory. 
> To successfully install a font on Windows 2000/XP, the user must be a
> member of the Power Users or Administrators groups. On Windows NT 4.0
> and earlier, anyone can install a font.

>   Example:
> Source: "OZHANDIN.TTF"; DestDir: "{fonts}"; FontInstall: "Oz Handicraft
> BT"; Flags: onlyifdoesntexist uninsneveruninstall 

> </snip>

> /gustav


>> I use basically the same 'look' for all (or most) of the programs
> that I
>> write for my employer. This 'look' includes two fonts that are not
>> standard (airfoil.ttf and motley.ttf). When I install these programs
> to
>> a new computer, it is necessary for me to copy these ttf files and
> then
>> install them via 'control panel' and 'fonts'.

>> This was all fine for a while, but now the number of programs is
>> growing, as is the amount of users and the physical area that they
> are
>> spread over. Now I cannot always be the one who does the actual
>> installation, so I have been trying to create an automated process
> for
>> the install of these programs. I currently use a batch file that
> creates
>> a directory in 'Program Files' on their root drive, copies the files
>> into this directory, and copies a shortcut onto their desktop. The
>> remaining problem is that the fonts need to be installed, and I
> don't
>> know how to get around having them install the font--I don't want
> them
>> to touch anything they don't need to touch.

>> Is there a way to do this? I have never used any of the 'installer'
>> programs that I have read about, on this list--is this what I need to
> be
>> looking at? And, if so, which ones? I think I have noticed 'Install
>> Shield' (?) the most.


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 19 13:17:47 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:17:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312460@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Why would it return any of those values, Gustav?  Since the date is
implied, removing 3 hours from it is going to kick it into the previous
day.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values


Boring day.
So here's a quick quiz to wake you up.

The time value of #02:00 AM# equals

   12/30/1899 02:00 AM

What does - off your head - this expression return:

? Format(DateAdd("h", -3, #02:00 AM#),"mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")

a) 12/30/1898 11:00 PM
b) 12/30/1899 01:00 AM
c) 12/30/1899 05:00 AM
d) 12/30/1899 05:00 PM
e) 12/30/1899 11:00 PM

The tricky part is DateAdd(). Format(), it is only for ensuring a
consistent format of the return value.

Morale: Be careful with negative time values.

/gustav

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Nov 19 13:58:39 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:58:39 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Terminal Server and Access XP
Message-ID: <20031119135839.659822691.serbach@new.rr.com>

Dear Group,

I'm helping another Access developer in my area upgrade an app to Access XP Runtime that will run in a Terminal Server environment. I'm supposed to help with the installation and testing of this configuration, too.

One of the things I'm not clear on is this: does Runtime have to be installed once for every user on the Terminal Server? It seems to me that TS is based on Citrix, and as far as I know, a Citrix server parcelled out disk and RAM to each user; and each user had a copy of Word, Excel, etc., installed on his/her drive.

Is this correct or am I way off base?


Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 19 13:54:24 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:54:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312460@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <007a01c3aed6$f1f140a0$210110ac@SUSANONE>

Right -- shouldn't one of your options be 12/29/1899 11:00 PM?

Susan H. 


> Why would it return any of those values, Gustav?  Since the date is
> implied, removing 3 hours from it is going to kick it into the previous
> day.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:40 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
> 
> 
> Boring day.
> So here's a quick quiz to wake you up.
> 
> The time value of #02:00 AM# equals
> 
>    12/30/1899 02:00 AM
> 
> What does - off your head - this expression return:
> 
> ? Format(DateAdd("h", -3, #02:00 AM#),"mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")
> 
> a) 12/30/1898 11:00 PM
> b) 12/30/1899 01:00 AM
> c) 12/30/1899 05:00 AM
> d) 12/30/1899 05:00 PM
> e) 12/30/1899 11:00 PM
> 
> The tricky part is DateAdd(). Format(), it is only for ensuring a
> consistent format of the return value.
> 
> Morale: Be careful with negative time values.
> 
> /gustav
> 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 19 14:19:11 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:19:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
In-Reply-To: <001f01c3aec5$1f1adb70$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEAFFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

HEY!  My royalty % was so small I never expect to see anything, but with you
encouraging them to NOT buy the book...

;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Who needs the book when you have JC on the list (<:


Martin



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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:31 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


> Just wondering...is this article the entire chapter or is there more in
the
> book on this topic?
>
> Thanks!
> JR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:44 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
> only kidding John.
>
> As I said to you before, the stuff you put in is much better that anything
> in the previous versions.
>
> Martin
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:38 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
>
> > Sorry Martin, I didn't realize.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:03 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> >
> >
> > Mine where brand new as well. Not as good but new LOL
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:46 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> >
> >
> > > LOL.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the plug Gustav.  That would be my chapter, the only one in
> the
> > > book that was brand new.  Had to do a little pushing to get it in
there,
> > > they thought it too "advanced" for a beginning basic book.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:56 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
> > > among the numerous authors:
> > >
> > >   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276
> > >
> > > Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> > >
> > > One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
> > > handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
> > > This book chapter explains what it can do for you.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 19 14:24:53 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:24:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
In-Reply-To: <20031119134021.89D14256FCE@smithers.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEAFFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

They also left off Ian Blackburn, and Helmut Watson.

John W. Colby 
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


John, you must have pushed too hard. Wrox have left you off the author's
list :-(

http://www.wrox.com/books/0764544020.shtml

Sue 'em, I say.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
Date: 19/11/03 17:50


LOL.

Thanks for the plug Gustav. That would be my chapter, the only one in the
book that was brand new. Had to do a little pushing to get it in there,
they thought it too "advanced" for a beginning basic book.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi all

Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
among the numerous authors:

http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
This book chapter explains what it can do for you.

/gustav



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From askolits at ot.com  Wed Nov 19 14:39:45 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:39:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Freezing a datasheet rows like in Excel
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631245C@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFKEFNDIAA.askolits@ot.com>

Anyone know a way to allow a user to freeze rows in a datasheet view like
you can freeze a frame in Excel?

John Skolits



From markamatte at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 19 14:51:29 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:51:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] First Record of Subform
Message-ID: <BAY1-F48RnzXotJAadV0000ef7c@hotmail.com>

Hello All,

Please forgive the confusing question...but:

In A97 I have a subform(SF2) that is refreshed each time a different record 
is selected in another subform(SF1).  Both are continuous forms.  When I 
click  a record in SF1...SF2 displays 5 records related to SF1 record...I 
click on record#5 in SF2....now I select a different record in SF1...and SF2 
displays 8 records...but record#5 has focus.

How do I refresh a subform and cause it to always go to the first record?

Thanks,

Mark

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 19 14:55:23 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:55:23 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] First Record of Subform
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312461@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Requery the subform.  That always sets the record pointer to the first
record.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:51 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] First Record of Subform


Hello All,

Please forgive the confusing question...but:

In A97 I have a subform(SF2) that is refreshed each time a different
record 
is selected in another subform(SF1).  Both are continuous forms.  When I

click  a record in SF1...SF2 displays 5 records related to SF1
record...I 
click on record#5 in SF2....now I select a different record in SF1...and
SF2 
displays 8 records...but record#5 has focus.

How do I refresh a subform and cause it to always go to the first
record?

Thanks,

Mark

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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 19 15:01:18 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:01:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
Message-ID: <BAY2-F94ZfP64O08vPw00018cd6@hotmail.com>

or f) None of the above?

it should be 12/29/1899 11:00 pm shouldn't it?

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:40:02 +0100
>
>Boring day.
>So here's a quick quiz to wake you up.
>
>The time value of #02:00 AM# equals
>
>    12/30/1899 02:00 AM
>
>What does - off your head - this expression return:
>
>? Format(DateAdd("h", -3, #02:00 AM#),"mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")
>
>a) 12/30/1898 11:00 PM
>b) 12/30/1899 01:00 AM
>c) 12/30/1899 05:00 AM
>d) 12/30/1899 05:00 PM
>e) 12/30/1899 11:00 PM
>
>The tricky part is DateAdd(). Format(), it is only for ensuring a
>consistent format of the return value.
>
>Morale: Be careful with negative time values.
>
>/gustav
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Nov 19 15:13:40 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:13:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275AC@main2.marlow.com>

That's my answer too.  Of course, I don't think I have ever used the DateAdd
function.  I just use plain old math when adding date/time info.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Kjos [mailto:garykjos at hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values


or f) None of the above?

it should be 12/29/1899 11:00 pm shouldn't it?

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:40:02 +0100
>
>Boring day.
>So here's a quick quiz to wake you up.
>
>The time value of #02:00 AM# equals
>
>    12/30/1899 02:00 AM
>
>What does - off your head - this expression return:
>
>? Format(DateAdd("h", -3, #02:00 AM#),"mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")
>
>a) 12/30/1898 11:00 PM
>b) 12/30/1899 01:00 AM
>c) 12/30/1899 05:00 AM
>d) 12/30/1899 05:00 PM
>e) 12/30/1899 11:00 PM
>
>The tricky part is DateAdd(). Format(), it is only for ensuring a
>consistent format of the return value.
>
>Morale: Be careful with negative time values.
>
>/gustav
>
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From greggs at msn.com  Wed Nov 19 15:37:33 2003
From: greggs at msn.com (Greggs)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:37:33 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Terminal Server and Access XP
In-Reply-To: <20031119135839.659822691.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <MOELIKDOANGCHBBIGOLIIENEDEAA.greggs@msn.com>

I haven't done Access XP Runtime but all the other apps I have done like
Office you just go to a DOS window, change user /install, and then install.
When you're finished you go back to DOS, change user /execute, exit.  The
app is available to all users with the single install.



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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Terminal Server and Access XP


Dear Group,

I'm helping another Access developer in my area upgrade an app to Access XP
Runtime that will run in a Terminal Server environment. I'm supposed to help
with the installation and testing of this configuration, too.

One of the things I'm not clear on is this: does Runtime have to be
installed once for every user on the Terminal Server? It seems to me that TS
is based on Citrix, and as far as I know, a Citrix server parcelled out disk
and RAM to each user; and each user had a copy of Word, Excel, etc.,
installed on his/her drive.

Is this correct or am I way off base?


Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 19 16:11:44 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:11:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
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Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEALFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Joe,

I didn't compare to the book directly but it appears that they published the
entire chapter, and that is all there is about withevents in the book.
However I also wrote a series of withevent articles for DatabaseAdvisors'
Many to Many.  Poke through the various newsletters at
http://www.databaseadvisors.com/newsletters.htm

And more importantly, take one of the simple examples and just do it.  It's
easy once you try it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Just wondering...is this article the entire chapter or is there more in the
book on this topic?

Thanks!
JR

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent

only kidding John.

As I said to you before, the stuff you put in is much better that anything
in the previous versions.

Martin


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From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:38 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


> Sorry Martin, I didn't realize.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:03 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
>
> Mine where brand new as well. Not as good but new LOL
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:46 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
>
> > LOL.
> >
> > Thanks for the plug Gustav.  That would be my chapter, the only one in
the
> > book that was brand new.  Had to do a little pushing to get it in there,
> > they thought it too "advanced" for a beginning basic book.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:56 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> >
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
> > among the numerous authors:
> >
> >   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276
> >
> > Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> >
> > One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
> > handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
> > This book chapter explains what it can do for you.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov 19 16:30:50 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:30:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] ODBC Driver Automation
In-Reply-To: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7835@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Message-ID: <3FBC7BBA.32340.11B745@localhost>

On 19 Nov 2003 at 12:31, Mark Boyd wrote:

> Does anyone know of a way to automate the process of setting up an ODBC
> driver to a SQL Server?
> 

Here's the code I use (modify as necessary - watch for word wrap).

I don't claim any originality, I can't remember where I found this.

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private Declare Function RegEnumKeyEx Lib "advapi32.dll" _
Alias "RegEnumKeyExA" _
  (ByVal hKey As Long, _
   ByVal dwIndex As Long, _
   ByVal lpName As String, _
   lpcbName As Long, _
   ByVal lpReserved As Long, _
   ByVal lpClass As String, _
   lpcbClass As Long, _
   ByVal lpftLastWriteTime As String) As Long

Private Declare Function RegOpenKeyEx Lib "advapi32.dll" _
Alias "RegOpenKeyExA" _
    (ByVal hKey As Long, _
    ByVal lpSubKey As String, _
    ByVal ulOptions As Long, _
    ByVal samDesired As Long, phkResult As Long) As Long

Private Declare Function SQLConfigDataSource Lib "odbccp32.dll" _
    (ByVal hwndParent As Long, _
    ByVal fRequest As Integer, _
    ByVal lpszDriver As String, _
    ByVal lpszAttributes As String) As Long

Private Declare Function RegCloseKey Lib "advapi32.dll" _
    (ByVal hKey As Long) As Long

      Const HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE = &H80000002
      Const ERROR_SUCCESS = 0&
      Const SYNCHRONIZE = &H100000
      Const STANDARD_RIGHTS_READ = &H20000
      Const STANDARD_RIGHTS_WRITE = &H20000
      Const STANDARD_RIGHTS_EXECUTE = &H20000
      Const STANDARD_RIGHTS_REQUIRED = &HF0000
      Const STANDARD_RIGHTS_ALL = &H1F0000
      Const KEY_QUERY_VALUE = &H1
      Const KEY_SET_VALUE = &H2
      Const KEY_CREATE_SUB_KEY = &H4
      Const KEY_ENUMERATE_SUB_KEYS = &H8
      Const KEY_NOTIFY = &H10
      Const KEY_CREATE_LINK = &H20
      Const KEY_READ = ((STANDARD_RIGHTS_READ Or _
                        KEY_QUERY_VALUE Or _
                        KEY_ENUMERATE_SUB_KEYS Or _
                        KEY_NOTIFY) And _
                        (Not SYNCHRONIZE))

      Const REG_DWORD = 4
      Const REG_BINARY = 3
      Const REG_SZ = 1
      
      Const ODBC_ADD_SYS_DSN = 4

'*********** Modify next lines as appropriate**************
Const DSN_name = "MotuKoitabu"
Const Server_name = "192.168.0.1"   ' Raw IP address is used to avoid NT _
                                          Domain name resolution probs.
Const Database_name = "MotuKoitabu"
Const Database_description = "Motu Koitabu Roll"
      

Function Check_SDSN()

         '  Look for our System Data Source Name.  If we find it,then great!
         '  If not, then let's create one on the fly.
         
         Dim lngKeyHandle As Long
         Dim lngResult As Long
         Dim lngCurIdx As Long
         Dim strValue As String
         Dim classValue As String
         Dim timeValue As String
         Dim lngValueLen As Long
         Dim classlngValueLen As Long
         Dim lngData As Long
         Dim lngDataLen As Long
         Dim strResult As String
         Dim DSNfound As Long
         Dim syscmdresult As Long

         syscmdresult = SysCmd(acSysCmdSetStatus, "Looking for System DSN " & DSN_name & " ...")
         
         '  Let's open the registry key that contains all of the
         '  System Data Source Names.
         
         lngResult = RegOpenKeyEx(HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, _
                 "SOFTWARE\ODBC\ODBC.INI", _
                  0&, _
                  KEY_READ, _
                  lngKeyHandle)

         If lngResult <> ERROR_SUCCESS Then
             MsgBox "ERROR:  Cannot open the registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\ODBC\ODBC.INI." & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & _
                    "Please make sure that ODBC and the SQL Server ODBC drivers have been installed." & vbCrLf & _
                    "Contact call your IT Section for more information."
             syscmdresult = SysCmd(acSysCmdClearStatus)
             Check_SDSN = -1
         End If
         
         ' Now that the key is open, Let's look among all of
         ' the possible system data source names for the one
         ' we want.

         lngCurIdx = 0
         DSNfound = False
         
         Do
            lngValueLen = 512
            classlngValueLen = 512
            strValue = String(lngValueLen, 0)
            classValue = String(classlngValueLen, 0)
            timeValue = String(lngValueLen, 0)
            lngDataLen = 512

            lngResult = RegEnumKeyEx(lngKeyHandle, _
                                     lngCurIdx, _
                                     strValue, _
                                     lngValueLen, _
                                     0&, _
                                     classValue, _
                                     classlngValueLen, _
                                     timeValue)
            lngCurIdx = lngCurIdx + 1

         If lngResult = ERROR_SUCCESS Then
         
           ' Is this our System Data Source Name?
         
           If strValue = DSN_name Then
           
             '  It is!  Let's assume everything is good and do nothing.
             
             DSNfound = True
             syscmdresult = SysCmd(acSysCmdClearStatus)
         
           End If
           
         End If

         Loop While lngResult = ERROR_SUCCESS And Not DSNfound
         
         Call RegCloseKey(lngKeyHandle)

         If Not DSNfound Then
         
           '  Our System Data Source Name doesn't exist, so let's
           '  try to create it on the fly.
         
           syscmdresult = SysCmd(acSysCmdSetStatus, "Creating System DSN " & DSN_name & "...")
         
'*********** Deleted "Trusted_Connection = Yes" if using SQL Security
'            not NT Security to control access
         
           lngResult = SQLConfigDataSource(0, _
                                           ODBC_ADD_SYS_DSN, _
                                           "SQL Server", _
                                           "DSN=" & DSN_name & Chr(0) & _
                                           "Server=" & Server_name & Chr(0) & _
                                           "Database=" & Database_name & Chr(0) & _
                                           "UseProcForPrepare=Yes" & Chr(0) & _
                                           "Trusted_Connection=Yes" & Chr$(0) & _
                                           "Description=" & Database_description & Chr(0) & Chr(0))
                       
           If lngResult = False Then
           
             MsgBox "ERROR:  Could not create the System DSN " & DSN_name & "." & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & _
                    "Please make sure that the SQL Server ODBC drivers have been installed." & vbCrLf & _
                    "Contact IT Section for more information."
                    
             syscmdresult = SysCmd(acSysCmdClearStatus)
             Check_SDSN = -1

           End If
           
         End If
         
         syscmdresult = SysCmd(acSysCmdClearStatus)
         Check_SDSN = 0

End Function


 
-- 
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Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Wed Nov 19 16:31:18 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:31:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Page Break and SubReport
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01BA7B4B@ccemail2.cce.local>

I have a report that has a subreport.  In the subreport there sometimes
is data and sometimes not.  When there is data, I want a page break and
then the subreport.  When there is not data, I want no page break and no
subreport.  When I put the pagebreak in the main report, I get a page
break regardless of what's in the subreport.  When I put it in the
subreport, I still get a page break even when the subreport doesn't show
because there is no data.  I've tried a couple of code manipulations
that look to see if there is no data and if there isn't set the
subreport to invisible, but that doesn't work.  Suggestions?

--Susan


Susan B. Geller
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Nov 19 16:42:54 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:42:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7961@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Gustav,

Interesting bug you've discovered there, but the moral is not "Be careful
with negative time values", but rather look out for Dec 30 1899 and
"negative additions"

Here's a little code I just run and the output from it...


Sub dateaddtest()
Dim n As Integer
Dim JustTime As Date
Dim TimeAndDate As Date

    JustTime = #2:00:00 AM#
    TimeAndDate = #12/31/1899 2:00:00 AM#
' note it you try  typing TimeAndDate = #21/30/1899 2:00:00# then Access
will
' automatically change it to TimeAndDate - #2:00:00#
    For n = 1 To 26
        Debug.Print n, Format(JustTime, "mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM"), _ 
	 Format(DateAdd("h", -n, JustTime), "mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM"), _ 
	 Format(DateAdd("h", n, JustTime), "mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")
    Next n
    Debug.Print "===================="
    For n = 1 To 5
        TimeAndDate = DateAdd("d", -1, TimeAndDate)
        Debug.Print n, Format(TimeAndDate, "mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM"), _ 
	Format(DateAdd("h", -3, TimeAndDate), "mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")
    Next n
End Sub

dateaddtest
 1            12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 01:00 AM
12/30/1899 03:00 AM
 2            12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 12:00 AM
12/30/1899 04:00 AM
 3            12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 11:00 PM
12/30/1899 05:00 AM
 4            12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 10:00 PM
12/30/1899 06:00 AM
 5            12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 09:00 PM
12/30/1899 07:00 AM
 6            12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 08:00 PM
12/30/1899 08:00 AM
 7            12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 07:00 PM
12/30/1899 09:00 AM
 8            12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 06:00 PM
12/30/1899 10:00 AM
 9            12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 05:00 PM
12/30/1899 11:00 AM
 10           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 04:00 PM
12/30/1899 12:00 PM
 11           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 03:00 PM
12/30/1899 01:00 PM
 12           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 02:00 PM
12/30/1899 02:00 PM
 13           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 01:00 PM
12/30/1899 03:00 PM
 14           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 12:00 PM
12/30/1899 04:00 PM
 15           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 11:00 AM
12/30/1899 05:00 PM
 16           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 10:00 AM
12/30/1899 06:00 PM
 17           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 09:00 AM
12/30/1899 07:00 PM
 18           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 08:00 AM
12/30/1899 08:00 PM
 19           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 07:00 AM
12/30/1899 09:00 PM
 20           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 06:00 AM
12/30/1899 10:00 PM
 21           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 05:00 AM
12/30/1899 11:00 PM
 22           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 04:00 AM
12/31/1899 12:00 AM
 23           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 03:00 AM
12/31/1899 01:00 AM
 24           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 02:00 AM
12/31/1899 02:00 AM
 25           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 01:00 AM
12/31/1899 03:00 AM
 26           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 12:00 AM
12/31/1899 04:00 AM
====================
 1            12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 11:00 PM <== wrong
 2            12/29/1899 02:00 AM         12/28/1899 11:00 PM
 3            12/28/1899 02:00 AM         12/27/1899 11:00 PM
 4            12/27/1899 02:00 AM         12/26/1899 11:00 PM
 5            12/26/1899 02:00 AM         12/25/1899 11:00 PM

Notice that for the magic date 12/30/1899, no matter how many hours you
subtract from a Date/Time item you still wind up with a date of 12/30/1899.
On the other hand if you add hours on everything seems to work as expected.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Charlotte Foust [SMTP:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, November 19, 2003 2:18 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
> 
> Why would it return any of those values, Gustav?  Since the date is
> implied, removing 3 hours from it is going to kick it into the previous
> day.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:40 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
> 
> 
> Boring day.
> So here's a quick quiz to wake you up.
> 
> The time value of #02:00 AM# equals
> 
>    12/30/1899 02:00 AM
> 
> What does - off your head - this expression return:
> 
> ? Format(DateAdd("h", -3, #02:00 AM#),"mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")
> 
> a) 12/30/1898 11:00 PM
> b) 12/30/1899 01:00 AM
> c) 12/30/1899 05:00 AM
> d) 12/30/1899 05:00 PM
> e) 12/30/1899 11:00 PM
> 
> The tricky part is DateAdd(). Format(), it is only for ensuring a
> consistent format of the return value.
> 
> Morale: Be careful with negative time values.
> 
> /gustav
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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 19 16:43:22 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:43:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] IE 5.5 download
Message-ID: <Sea2-F44Xx3UuyUoRKO000094c1@hotmail.com>

IE 5.5 is no longer available from Microsoft as a download yet I have a 
client in the position of it becoming a minimum system requirement to access 
a new government registry formerly only accessible with Netscape.  
Regrettably the client boxes run Win 3.11 and Win 95 and neither OS meets 
the IE 6 minimum of Win 98.  It seems there is a limitless supply of throw 
away computers and Win 95 licenses that will forever meet the client's needs 
and taste for Word Perfect 5.

The Win 95 machines currently run IE 5.00.2314.1003 and I'm curious whether 
5.5 can run on a 95 box and if there is any where a version can be obtained. 
  The registries will cease hosting the version that supports Netscape as of 
December 1, 2003.

By the way, the machines are rock, ok - sandstone, solid, provided I don't 
run Word, WordPerfect, Netscape and IE concurrently (Netscape tends to crash 
when all are loaded at once) and although there are obvious memory leaks in 
the OS (if the primary peer server isn't rebooted every 3 days, resources go 
below 30% and worse after a Netscape crash, so it is rebooted every 
morning).  The Win 95 machines run an Access 2K FE and the Win 3 machines 
use Access 2.  The fastest machine here runs a 233 AMD chip with 64 megs.  
I'm almost shocked at how well it all works.

Hen

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Nov 19 16:49:26 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:49:26 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Terminal Server and Access XP
Message-ID: <20031119164926.699964895.serbach@new.rr.com>

Greggs,

>> I haven't done Access XP Runtime but all the other apps I have done like
Office you just go to a DOS window, change user /install, and then install.
When you're finished you go back to DOS, change user /execute, exit. <<

I'm sorry, but I didn't follow that. I know that you have to use a DOS window (God alone knows why) to execute certain NET commands like NET USER SoAndSo /TIME. Are you saying that it's important in Terminal Server, too? Who'd 'a thunk it?

Do you mean that you don't login/logout of Windows TS as you do with Windows 2000 or XP? I confess that I know nothing about the operation of Terminal Server.

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Wed Nov 19 17:02:38 2003
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:02:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7961@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <006901c3aef1$3ad14350$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>

Lambert, Gustav:

Hmmm... What version of Access are you using? Lambert's routine gives
correct results using Access 2000, SP3. I get 12/29/1899 for the
subtractions > 2 hours, and 12/31 for additions > 23.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values


Gustav,

Interesting bug you've discovered there, but the moral is not "Be careful
with negative time values", but rather look out for Dec 30 1899 and
"negative additions"

Here's a little code I just run and the output from it...

. . .

Notice that for the magic date 12/30/1899, no matter how many hours you
subtract from a Date/Time item you still wind up with a date of 12/30/1899.
On the other hand if you add hours on everything seems to work as expected.

Lambert

. . .


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 19 17:46:15 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:46:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Page Break and SubReport
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312462@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Put it in the main report and set the pagebreak to Visible =  the
subreport's HasData property.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 2:31 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Page Break and SubReport


I have a report that has a subreport.  In the subreport there sometimes
is data and sometimes not.  When there is data, I want a page break and
then the subreport.  When there is not data, I want no page break and no
subreport.  When I put the pagebreak in the main report, I get a page
break regardless of what's in the subreport.  When I put it in the
subreport, I still get a page break even when the subreport doesn't show
because there is no data.  I've tried a couple of code manipulations
that look to see if there is no data and if there isn't set the
subreport to invisible, but that doesn't work.  Suggestions?

--Susan


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Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed Nov 19 18:02:56 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:02:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F8D2@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

A97 gives result "e" from Gustav's original post - 12/30/1899 11:00 PM although we all agree it should return 12/29/1899.

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Ismert [mailto:KIsmert at TexasSystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values


Lambert, Gustav:

Hmmm... What version of Access are you using? Lambert's routine gives
correct results using Access 2000, SP3. I get 12/29/1899 for the
subtractions > 2 hours, and 12/31 for additions > 23.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values


Gustav,

Interesting bug you've discovered there, but the moral is not "Be careful
with negative time values", but rather look out for Dec 30 1899 and
"negative additions"

Here's a little code I just run and the output from it...

. . .

Notice that for the magic date 12/30/1899, no matter how many hours you
subtract from a Date/Time item you still wind up with a date of 12/30/1899.
On the other hand if you add hours on everything seems to work as expected.

Lambert

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From greggs at msn.com  Wed Nov 19 19:32:05 2003
From: greggs at msn.com (Greggs)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:32:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Terminal Server and Access XP
In-Reply-To: <20031119164926.699964895.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <MOELIKDOANGCHBBIGOLIOENJDEAA.greggs@msn.com>

No... Terminal Services login does work just like windows.  The DOS commands
are just for installing the app.  You load the app using the procedure below
and then it is available to any Terminal Services user.  I should have been
a little clearer.

1. Open the DOS window and type... CHANGE USER /INSTALL
2. Install your application as you normally would
3. Go back to your DOS window and type... CHANGE USER /EXECUTE

You only have to do this when installing the app.  After that everything
should work just like it normally would.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Terminal Server and Access XP


Greggs,

>> I haven't done Access XP Runtime but all the other apps I have done like
Office you just go to a DOS window, change user /install, and then install.
When you're finished you go back to DOS, change user /execute, exit. <<

I'm sorry, but I didn't follow that. I know that you have to use a DOS
window (God alone knows why) to execute certain NET commands like NET USER
SoAndSo /TIME. Are you saying that it's important in Terminal Server, too?
Who'd 'a thunk it?

Do you mean that you don't login/logout of Windows TS as you do with Windows
2000 or XP? I confess that I know nothing about the operation of Terminal
Server.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 19 19:32:02 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:32:02 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] IE 5.5 download
References: <Sea2-F44Xx3UuyUoRKO000094c1@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3FBC1992.5080308@shaw.ca>

 From the help desk at U Victoria , it says Win95 works with IE5.5SP2
They only have the download installers which no longer work
but the help desk  directs you to another site that has the downloads
from IE 1.0 to IE 5.5 SP2 thru IE 6.0 and there is a SDK as well
You may need IE 4 for Win 3.11 not sure
Bit of a large download 84 Meg
http://browsers.evolt.org/?ie/32bit



Henry Simpson wrote:

> IE 5.5 is no longer available from Microsoft as a download yet I have 
> a client in the position of it becoming a minimum system requirement 
> to access a new government registry formerly only accessible with 
> Netscape.  Regrettably the client boxes run Win 3.11 and Win 95 and 
> neither OS meets the IE 6 minimum of Win 98.  It seems there is a 
> limitless supply of throw away computers and Win 95 licenses that will 
> forever meet the client's needs and taste for Word Perfect 5.
>
> The Win 95 machines currently run IE 5.00.2314.1003 and I'm curious 
> whether 5.5 can run on a 95 box and if there is any where a version 
> can be obtained.  The registries will cease hosting the version that 
> supports Netscape as of December 1, 2003.
>
> By the way, the machines are rock, ok - sandstone, solid, provided I 
> don't run Word, WordPerfect, Netscape and IE concurrently (Netscape 
> tends to crash when all are loaded at once) and although there are 
> obvious memory leaks in the OS (if the primary peer server isn't 
> rebooted every 3 days, resources go below 30% and worse after a 
> Netscape crash, so it is rebooted every morning).  The Win 95 machines 
> run an Access 2K FE and the Win 3 machines use Access 2.  The fastest 
> machine here runs a 233 AMD chip with 64 megs.  I'm almost shocked at 
> how well it all works.
>
> Hen
>
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From jmhla at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 19 19:36:16 2003
From: jmhla at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:36:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] 
	Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on one machine? X
	Posted
Message-ID: <001001c3af06$b4ab5de0$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>

I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
 
The OS is win XP.
 
How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
Which versions? What are most clients still using?
 
Thanks
 

Joe Hecht

Los Angeles CA

 

 

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 19 19:44:07 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:44:07 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
	one machine? XPosted
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312464@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I've got two at work, 97 and 2002 (WinXP).  On my personal machine
(Win2k), I have 97, 2000 and 2002.  I generally use either 2000 or 2002.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:36 PM
To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
one machine? XPosted


I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
 
The OS is win XP.
 
How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
Which versions? What are most clients still using?
 
Thanks
 

Joe Hecht

Los Angeles CA

 

 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov 19 19:53:43 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:53:43 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] 	Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
	one machine? X	Posted
In-Reply-To: <001001c3af06$b4ab5de0$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>
Message-ID: <3FBCAB47.13588.1E580AB7@localhost>

On 19 Nov 2003 at 17:36, Joe Hecht wrote:

> I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
>  
> The OS is win XP.
>  
> How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
> Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>  

2.0, 97 and 2K on one machine.
97 and 2K on several others.


I've got a couple of client sites with mixed 97/2000 installations (work 
stations range from old Compaq P133/32MB machines running W95 up to the 
latest Dells  running W2K).  Back ends are 97, front end MDEs are both 97 
and 2K.   I always have at least one machine with A97 and A2K installed 
on the site. 

As the older machines die, more and more machines switch over to the 2K 
version - hopefully in a couple of years, I'll be able to retire the A97 
FEs and upgrade the BEs :-)

One my primary dev machine in the office, I have a dual boot system with 
Office 97 running under 98SE and Office 2K running under W2KPro. It also 
has Office 4.3 (Access v2.0) on the 98SE partition - I installed it a 
year or so ago to crack an old protected v2 application so that I could 
upgrade it to 2K. Took me a while to find the installation set <g>)













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Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Nov 19 20:02:49 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:02:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD]  Poll: How many versions of Access are you running 
	on one machine? X Posted
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275AF@main2.marlow.com>

I have Office 97, and Office 2000 developers Edition installed on 3 machines
(work machine, home machine, and laptop).

When dealing with Access work, almost everything I am getting is 2000.  I
would say that at least 80% of the access work (I do for contract stuff) is
in Access 2000.  The rest is 97.  Now, at my full time job, it is STRICTLY
Access 97, because our entire office is still using Office 97 (with some
upgrades for components like Front Page and Outlook).

Now, that is strictly dealing with Access only applications.  When I am
working with web pages, in house is STRICTLY 97.  As far as contract stuff,
it's split.  Some are 97, some are 2000.  However, if I am building from
scratch, I use 97 as the backend.  This includes VB and/or ASP front ends.
One note on this, when I build this applications, I use ADO to connect to
the Backends.  I also use the Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0 provider, which
connects to either 97 or 2000 database sources.  I do this for 2 reasons.
Back when I started writing VB front ends, the current service pack for VB
6.0 had a quirk in it (either the service pack or the version of MDAC, don't
remember which), which caused all sorts of odd behavior when using the
provider specifically for Jet 3.51.  However, the provider for Jet 4.0
didn't have the issues, and worked the same with Access 97.  Secondly, if
there is ever a reason to upgrade a backend from 97 to 2000, I don't have to
change the FE code, because it doesn't care.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:36 PM
To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
one machine? X Posted


I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
 
The OS is win XP.
 
How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
Which versions? What are most clients still using?
 
Thanks
 

Joe Hecht

Los Angeles CA

 

 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 19 20:23:10 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:23:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
	one machine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <001001c3af06$b4ab5de0$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEBGFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.

I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks
outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email sent.
SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't install it on my
dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT happy to have to
do that!

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:36 PM
To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
one machine? XPosted


I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003.

The OS is win XP.

How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
Which versions? What are most clients still using?

Thanks


Joe Hecht

Los Angeles CA




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From caa at highway.com.br  Wed Nov 19 20:23:04 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:23:04 -0200
Subject: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form
In-Reply-To: <003d01c3add6$5a484c40$0100a8c0@razvoj>
References: <003d01c3add6$5a484c40$0100a8c0@razvoj>
Message-ID: <oprywzkqaaeuy8y3@localhost>

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:16:57 +0100, Ervin Brindza <viner at eunet.yu> wrote:

> <Crossposted>
> Hi,
> I need an advice(Access97): on the main form I have 2 subforms, and 3 
> other(separated by meaning) subforms. The problem is that the users have 
> only 17" screen and I have to shrink the subforms too much. Can you 
> provide any reasonable solution? Like hiding one "thread" of subforms or 
> open one "thread of subforms" on some pop up window or something else?

What about using tabs???

-- 
**************************************
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* Systems Analyst/Programmer         *
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From demulling at centurytel.net  Wed Nov 19 21:23:50 2003
From: demulling at centurytel.net (Demulling Family)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:23:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 	Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
	on one machine? X	Posted
In-Reply-To: <001001c3af06$b4ab5de0$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>
References: <001001c3af06$b4ab5de0$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>
Message-ID: <3FBC33C6.9030104@centurytel.net>

On my home pc I have A97, A2K, and AXP Developer.  OS is Win98

At work I have A97 and AXP Developer  OS is NT.  At work I see the 
following on user's desktops:

A97
A2K
A97 and A2k
AXP Runtime (This are my latest apps)

Joe Hecht wrote:

>I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
> 
>The OS is win XP.
> 
>How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
>Which versions? What are most clients still using?
> 
>Thanks
> 
>
>Joe Hecht
>
>Los Angeles CA
>
> 
>
> 
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From jmhla at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 19 21:27:47 2003
From: jmhla at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:27:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] John Colby Does your sysvar work in Access XP?
Message-ID: <002801c3af16$485cf9e0$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>

Less experienced programming minds would like to know.
 
Thanks
 

Joe Hecht

Los Angeles CA

 

 

From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 19 21:40:07 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:40:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form
In-Reply-To: <oprywzkqaaeuy8y3@localhost>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJEELPFFAA.john@winhaven.net>

IMO this is a very good suggestion.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Carlos Alberto
> Alves
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:23 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form
> 
> 
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:16:57 +0100, Ervin Brindza <viner at eunet.yu> wrote:
> 
> > <Crossposted>
> > Hi,
> > I need an advice(Access97): on the main form I have 2 subforms, and 3 
> > other(separated by meaning) subforms. The problem is that the 
> users have 
> > only 17" screen and I have to shrink the subforms too much. Can you 
> > provide any reasonable solution? Like hiding one "thread" of 
> subforms or 
> > open one "thread of subforms" on some pop up window or something else?
> 
> What about using tabs???
> 
> -- 
> **************************************
> * Carlos Alberto Alves               *
> * Child Neurologist                  *
> * Systems Analyst/Programmer         *
> * Rio de Janeiro, Brazil             *
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Wed Nov 19 22:05:48 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:05:48 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running onone
	machine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEBGFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c3af1b$9476b050$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP for
email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look:
http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component which
needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> John W. Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are
> you running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks
> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every
> email sent.
> SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:36 PM
> To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
> Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
> running on
> one machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003.
>
> The OS is win XP.
>
> How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
> Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Joe Hecht
>
> Los Angeles CA
>
>
>
>
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Wed Nov 19 22:11:02 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:11:02 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] 	Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
	onone machine? X	Posted
In-Reply-To: <3FBCAB47.13588.1E580AB7@localhost>
Message-ID: <003f01c3af1c$5005d350$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>



> -----Original Message-----
> One my primary dev machine in the office, I have a dual boot
> system with
> Office 97 running under 98SE and Office 2K running under
> W2KPro. It also
> has Office 4.3 (Access v2.0) on the 98SE partition - I installed it a
> year or so ago to crack an old protected v2 application so
> that I could
> upgrade it to 2K. Took me a while to find the installation set <g>)

I remember for one project I was upgrading a BE to 2K from ver2, and was having
immense troubles.  I ended up digging out Office 4.3 as well, but after messing
around with it, discovered if I had used Acc97 as the intermediate I would have
had much less pain.

Stuart



From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Wed Nov 19 22:15:37 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:45:37 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Page Break and SubReport
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312462@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <009501c3af1d$14b7d450$ceedf73d@winxp>

Susan,

    If the RecordSource for a subreport has no data, the only event that gets fired (for the report acting as SourceObject for the subreport control) is its open event. Thereafter, for other events, the subreport behaves as if it does not exist.

    It would therefore be preferable to check for No Data by using DCount() function directly on the query serving as record source for the subreport.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 05:16
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Page Break and SubReport


  Put it in the main report and set the pagebreak to Visible =  the
  subreport's HasData property.

  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 2:31 PM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Page Break and SubReport


  I have a report that has a subreport.  In the subreport there sometimes
  is data and sometimes not.  When there is data, I want a page break and
  then the subreport.  When there is not data, I want no page break and no
  subreport.  When I put the pagebreak in the main report, I get a page
  break regardless of what's in the subreport.  When I put it in the
  subreport, I still get a page break even when the subreport doesn't show
  because there is no data.  I've tried a couple of code manipulations
  that look to see if there is no data and if there isn't set the
  subreport to invisible, but that doesn't work.  Suggestions?

  --Susan


  Susan B. Geller
  Office of Information Systems
  College of Continuing Education
  University of Minnesota
  306 Wesbrook Hall
  77 Pleasant Street SE
  Minneapolis, MN 55455
  Phone:  612-626-4785
  Fax:  612-625-2568


From weeden1949 at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 19 22:27:23 2003
From: weeden1949 at hotmail.com (Greg Smith)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:27:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD]  Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
	one machine? X Posted
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275AF@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <BAY8-DAV41FgX4VMWf700006095@hotmail.com>

I have Access97 ODE and Access XP (used to have Access97 ODE, 2000 and XP,
but new computer and 2000 was toast).

Most of my clients are still using Access 97.  Hinting at changing to XP,
but now 2003 is out so they'll probably wait until I clear their apps
through it.  Sigh.  This is never going to end.

Greg Smith
weeden1949 at hotmail.com

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov 19 22:35:33 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:35:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] 	Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
	onone machine? X	Posted
In-Reply-To: <003f01c3af1c$5005d350$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
References: <3FBCAB47.13588.1E580AB7@localhost>
Message-ID: <3FBCD135.9437.1EEC3987@localhost>

On 20 Nov 2003 at 12:11, Stuart Sanders wrote:

> 
> I remember for one project I was upgrading a BE to 2K from ver2, and was having
> immense troubles.  I ended up digging out Office 4.3 as well, but after messing
> around with it, discovered if I had used Acc97 as the intermediate I would have
> had much less pain.
> 
> Stuart
> 

I would have if I could, but the problem was the Access security that was 
used. I had to run under v2.0 to crack it before I could do anythinbg 
with it in another version.


-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From glen_mcwilliams at msn.com  Wed Nov 19 22:59:01 2003
From: glen_mcwilliams at msn.com (Glen McWilliams)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:59:01 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running onone
	machine? XPosted
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312464@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV75XTUaPwWJn0000de81@hotmail.com>

Is there some place I can find instructions for loading 97, 2000, 2002 on a machine?

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:44 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running onone machine? XPosted


  I've got two at work, 97 and 2002 (WinXP).  On my personal machine
  (Win2k), I have 97, 2000 and 2002.  I generally use either 2000 or 2002.

  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net] 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:36 PM
  To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
  Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
  one machine? XPosted


  I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
   
  The OS is win XP.
   
  How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
  Which versions? What are most clients still using?
   
  Thanks
   

  Joe Hecht

  Los Angeles CA

   

   
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 19 23:28:10 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 05:28:10 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] First Record of Subform
Message-ID: <BAY1-F67X5V3GykBbKP00010f15@hotmail.com>

Sorry Charlotte...but thats not the case...I requery the subform of SF2 on 
each ONCURRENT of SF1...and whatever record has focus prior...still has 
focus after the REQUERY.

Other ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] First Record of Subform
>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:55:23 -0800
>
>Requery the subform.  That always sets the record pointer to the first
>record.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:51 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] First Record of Subform
>
>
>Hello All,
>
>Please forgive the confusing question...but:
>
>In A97 I have a subform(SF2) that is refreshed each time a different
>record
>is selected in another subform(SF1).  Both are continuous forms.  When I
>
>click  a record in SF1...SF2 displays 5 records related to SF1
>record...I
>click on record#5 in SF2....now I select a different record in SF1...and
>SF2
>displays 8 records...but record#5 has focus.
>
>How do I refresh a subform and cause it to always go to the first
>record?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Wed Nov 19 23:36:29 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:36:29 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
	ononemachine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <BAY4-DAV75XTUaPwWJn0000de81@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <004301c3af28$4009c2c0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Generally involves installing in the correct order (97 then 2K then XP).  And to
be safe, install the service packs for each after each app install (97 and 97
SPs, then 2K and 2K SPs, etc)

When installing 2K and XP, you will need to do a custom install and tell the
installer not to remove the previous version of access.

Also note that it is advisable to put shortcuts to each msaccess.exe where you
can easily get them (ie for me they are in the quick launch toolbar on Windows
2K), as each version of access claims the mdb extension automatically when you
run it.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Glen McWilliams
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 12:59 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are
> you running ononemachine? XPosted
>
>
> Is there some place I can find instructions for loading 97,
> 2000, 2002 on a machine?
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Charlotte Foust
>   To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:44 PM
>   Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access
> are you running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
>   I've got two at work, 97 and 2002 (WinXP).  On my personal machine
>   (Win2k), I have 97, 2000 and 2002.  I generally use either
> 2000 or 2002.
>
>   Charlotte Foust
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net]
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:36 PM
>   To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
>   Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are
> you running on
>   one machine? XPosted
>
>
>   I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003.
>
>   The OS is win XP.
>
>   How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
>   Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>
>   Thanks
>
>
>   Joe Hecht
>
>   Los Angeles CA
>
>
>
>
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From jmhla at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 20 00:34:48 2003
From: jmhla at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:34:48 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
	ononemachine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <BAY4-DAV75XTUaPwWJn0000de81@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701c3af30$6857c760$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>

It used to be if you loaded the oldest version first and worked up you
were ok. Do not know if that is still true with XP and 2003

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Glen
McWilliams
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


Is there some place I can find instructions for loading 97, 2000, 2002
on a machine?

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:44 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
running onone machine? XPosted


  I've got two at work, 97 and 2002 (WinXP).  On my personal machine
  (Win2k), I have 97, 2000 and 2002.  I generally use either 2000 or
2002.

  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net] 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:36 PM
  To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
  Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
on
  one machine? XPosted


  I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
   
  The OS is win XP.
   
  How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
  Which versions? What are most clients still using?
   
  Thanks
   

  Joe Hecht

  Los Angeles CA

   

   
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 20 00:52:41 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:52:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running onone
 machine? XPosted
References:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312464@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
 <BAY4-DAV75XTUaPwWJn0000de81@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3FBC64B9.6080605@shaw.ca>

Load in order

Access 97, 2 Office service packs, (ODE SP 2 if needed), Jet 3.51 
Service Release 3 (needed for Jet SR7 and 8)
  Jet SR3 from here
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=7e82ef88-52ec-4a8f-8bb2-8b06d6cb668d&DisplayLang=en

Access 2000, 3 Office service packs

Access XP,  2 Office SP's

Finally Jet Service Pack 7 on win NT or Win9x,( Access xp won't install 
on win95.)
or Jet Service Pack 8 on Win2000, WinXP or Win2003
Maybe they have fixed 8 to run on lower OS, not sure.

You can't get the Office upgrades for Office 97 through the MS office 
update scan site anymore
but you can get all of them from here
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-CA;sp

Oh yes there are also these two new goodies for word97 and excel 97 
security.

http://woodyswatch.com/kb/?830354

http://woodyswatch.com/kb/?830356


Glen McWilliams wrote:

>Is there some place I can find instructions for loading 97, 2000, 2002 on a machine?
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Charlotte Foust 
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:44 PM
>  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
>  I've got two at work, 97 and 2002 (WinXP).  On my personal machine
>  (Win2k), I have 97, 2000 and 2002.  I generally use either 2000 or 2002.
>
>  Charlotte Foust
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net] 
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:36 PM
>  To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
>  Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
>  one machine? XPosted
>
>
>  I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
>   
>  The OS is win XP.
>   
>  How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
>  Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>   
>  Thanks
>   
>
>  Joe Hecht
>
>  Los Angeles CA
>
>   
>
>   
>  
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 20 01:00:16 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:00:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running onone
 machine? XPosted
References:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312464@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
 <BAY4-DAV75XTUaPwWJn0000de81@hotmail.com> <3FBC64B9.6080605@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <3FBC6680.2000306@shaw.ca>

Oh yes install each version into a different directory say 
Office9,Office10 etc.


MartyConnelly wrote:

> Load in order
>
> Access 97, 2 Office service packs, (ODE SP 2 if needed), Jet 3.51 
> Service Release 3 (needed for Jet SR7 and 8)
>  Jet SR3 from here
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=7e82ef88-52ec-4a8f-8bb2-8b06d6cb668d&DisplayLang=en 
>
>
> Access 2000, 3 Office service packs
>
> Access XP,  2 Office SP's
>
> Finally Jet Service Pack 7 on win NT or Win9x,( Access xp won't 
> install on win95.)
> or Jet Service Pack 8 on Win2000, WinXP or Win2003
> Maybe they have fixed 8 to run on lower OS, not sure.
>
> You can't get the Office upgrades for Office 97 through the MS office 
> update scan site anymore
> but you can get all of them from here
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-CA;sp
>
> Oh yes there are also these two new goodies for word97 and excel 97 
> security.
>
> http://woodyswatch.com/kb/?830354
>
> http://woodyswatch.com/kb/?830356
>
>
> Glen McWilliams wrote:
>
>> Is there some place I can find instructions for loading 97, 2000, 
>> 2002 on a machine?
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----  From: Charlotte Foust  To: Access 
>> Developers discussion and problem solving  Sent: Wednesday, November 
>> 19, 2003 5:44 PM
>>  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you 
>> running onone machine? XPosted
>>
>>
>>  I've got two at work, 97 and 2002 (WinXP).  On my personal machine
>>  (Win2k), I have 97, 2000 and 2002.  I generally use either 2000 or 
>> 2002.
>>
>>  Charlotte Foust
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net]  Sent: Wednesday, 
>> November 19, 2003 5:36 PM
>>  To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
>>  Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
>>  one machine? XPosted
>>
>>
>>  I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003.    The OS is 
>> win XP.
>>    How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
>>  Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>>    Thanks
>>  
>>  Joe Hecht
>>
>>  Los Angeles CA
>>
>>  
>>    
>>  
>>
>

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 20 01:07:02 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:07:02 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
In-Reply-To: <19014831166.20031119125617@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFIEOPCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Guys:

An excellent article...Now I know what the 'withevents' and 'raiseevent' can
be used for other than passing error messages back  from a class.

Great stuff.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi all

Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
among the numerous authors:

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
This book chapter explains what it can do for you.

/gustav

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Nov 20 01:42:27 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:42:27 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
	one machine? XPosted
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CED3@stekelbes.ithelps.local>


Since yesterday I have now 3 versions running.

Access 2000, 2002(XP), 2003.
+Off Dev 2000, 2002.

Still have an client in A97 but I find A97 doesn't go that well with A2K
or others.
I'm used to the VBA interface of A2K, so I convert each time back and
forth between A2K and A97.
Give me sometimes some reference problems, but I can live with that.

Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:36 AM
To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
one machine? XPosted

I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
 
The OS is win XP.
 
How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
Which versions? What are most clients still using?
 
Thanks
 

Joe Hecht

Los Angeles CA

 

 
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 20 02:01:11 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:01:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Copy current record
Message-ID: <20031120080111.64718.qmail@web60204.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi group,

i've got an DAO recordset in A2k called rstNM wich is
linked to table tblNewMessage

I need to copy the current record to a new table
called tblError. 

tblnewmessage and tblError are identical. 

Problem:
rstNM has 27 fields and several of them can be Null.

How can I copy the current record (wich has at least
one Null value) to this table?

TIA

Sander

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Nov 20 02:54:25 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:54:25 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Infopath and One Note
References: <20031120080111.64718.qmail@web60204.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000901c3af43$e615e4d0$9111758f@aine>

Disclaimer

This is a personal reply to me and NOT an OFFICIAL Microsoft Response

<quote>

I try to dispel the marketing hype around InfoPath for the Access developer.
I've yet to see an InfoPath
scenario that couldn't be solved quicker with Access 2003 and its new
XML features.  If you are not familiar with relational databases and tools
like
Access, then InfoPath is a tool to consider if your business is starting
to adopt XML as a transport mechanism between business processes.
   If you live in a world of ODBC and OLEDB for moving data within your
organization - and it's working - why mess with a good thing. On the
other hand, if you are struggling with ways to send that data through
your firewall to your business partners/customers, XML works really
well, because text doesn't get hung up in the process. With that said,
Access is an excellent tool for exporting relational data as XML and
importing XML from other sources.



From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 20 03:08:33 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:08:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
In-Reply-To: <19535455983.20031119184002@cactus.dk>
References: <19535455983.20031119184002@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <294426525.20031120100833@cactus.dk>

Hi all

OK, this was a bit unfair as one option, the correct, was left out!
But that didn't fool you.

For a human the result should be:
f) 12/29/1899 11:00 PM

However, the result depends on the version.

Access 2.0 (!):
b) 12/30/1899 01:00 AM

Access 95, 97:
e) 12/30/1899 11:00 PM

Access 2000:
f) 12/29/1899 11:00 PM

I didn't go further but I guess Access XP and A2003 calculate it right
as A2000 does.

Also, Lambert's wording is more precise than mine:

.. the moral is not "Be careful with negative time values", but rather
look out for Dec 30 1899 and "negative additions" [for version 97 and
earlier].

/gustav


> Boring day.
> So here's a quick quiz to wake you up.

> The time value of #02:00 AM# equals

>    12/30/1899 02:00 AM

> What does - off your head - this expression return:

> ? Format(DateAdd("h", -3, #02:00 AM#),"mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")

> a) 12/30/1898 11:00 PM
> b) 12/30/1899 01:00 AM
> c) 12/30/1899 05:00 AM
> d) 12/30/1899 05:00 PM
> e) 12/30/1899 11:00 PM

> The tricky part is DateAdd(). Format(), it is only for ensuring a
> consistent format of the return value.

> Morale: Be careful with negative time values for A97 and earlier.

> /gustav


From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Nov 20 11:54:19 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:54:19 (MET)
Subject: [AccessD] query
Message-ID: <200311201054.hAKAsJEU010363@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hello,

i have a query in which i want to show each "Praktijk" with the same "adres". 
How can this been done

now i get

[Praktijk]       [adres]
Janssen          rondweg
Janssen          rondweg
Janssen          rondweg
Janssen          herenweg
Hendriks         kortweg
Hendriks         kortweg
Hendriks         langeweg


i would like to have

[Praktijk]       [adres]
Janssen          rondweg
Janssen          herenweg
Hendriks         kortweg
Hendriks         langeweg


<sql>
SELECT DISTINCTROW tblHarts.Praktijk, tblHarts.Adres, tblHarts.Postcode, tblHarts.Plaats, tblHarts.Oud
FROM tblHarts
WHERE (((tblHarts.Praktijk) In (SELECT [Praktijk] FROM [tblHarts] As Tmp GROUP BY [Praktijk] )) AND ((tblHarts.Oud)=No))
ORDER BY tblHarts.Praktijk;
</sql>


From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Thu Nov 20 05:03:20 2003
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:03:20 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] query
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DBFB@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

try
change DISTINCTROW  to DISTINCT

	AFAIK the DISTINCTROW  will take into account other fields such as
tblHarts.Postcode, tblHarts.Plaats, tblHarts.Oud (if they differ from row to
row the row will be returned) with  DISTINCT if you only return the two
fields [Praktijk]       [adres] in your query then this should return the
results  as required

	Richard



Richard

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	pedro at plex.nl [SMTP:pedro at plex.nl]
> Sent:	20 November 2003 11:54
> To:	AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] query
> 
> Hello,
> 
> i have a query in which i want to show each "Praktijk" with the same
> "adres". 
> How can this been done
> 
> now i get
> 
> [Praktijk]       [adres]
> Janssen          rondweg
> Janssen          rondweg
> Janssen          rondweg
> Janssen          herenweg
> Hendriks         kortweg
> Hendriks         kortweg
> Hendriks         langeweg
> 
> 
> i would like to have
> 
> [Praktijk]       [adres]
> Janssen          rondweg
> Janssen          herenweg
> Hendriks         kortweg
> Hendriks         langeweg
> 
> 
> <sql>
> SELECT DISTINCTROW tblHarts.Praktijk, tblHarts.Adres, tblHarts.Postcode,
> tblHarts.Plaats, tblHarts.Oud
> FROM tblHarts
> WHERE (((tblHarts.Praktijk) In (SELECT [Praktijk] FROM [tblHarts] As Tmp
> GROUP BY [Praktijk] )) AND ((tblHarts.Oud)=No))
> ORDER BY tblHarts.Praktijk;
> </sql>
> 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Nov 20 05:05:44 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:05:44 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
	one machine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <001001c3af06$b4ab5de0$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>
Message-ID: <030801c3af56$3f005320$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

I have 97 and 2002. Main client still on 97.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
> Sent: 20 November 2003 01:36
> To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
> Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you 
> running on one machine? XPosted
> 
> 
> I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
>  
> The OS is win XP.
>  
> How many people have more than one version of Access on one 
> machine. Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>  
> Thanks
>  
> 
> Joe Hecht
> 
> Los Angeles CA
> 
>  
> 
>  
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Nov 20 06:59:51 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:59:51 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] First Record of Subform
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F67X5V3GykBbKP00010f15@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <031201c3af66$2fa20c60$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Mark
How about something like this in the OnCurrent of SF1:

Me.Parent.sub2.Form.Requery
If Me.Parent.sub2.Form.Recordsetclone.RecordCount<>0 then
  Me.Parent.sub2.Form.Recordsetclone.MoveFirst
  Me.Parent.sub2.Form.Bookmark=Me.Parent.sub2.Form.Recordsetclone.Bookmark
End If


Haven't tested it, but seems about right.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 






> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mark A Matte
> Sent: 20 November 2003 05:28
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] First Record of Subform
> 
> 
> Sorry Charlotte...but thats not the case...I requery the 
> subform of SF2 on 
> each ONCURRENT of SF1...and whatever record has focus 
> prior...still has 
> focus after the REQUERY.
> 
> Other ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> >From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
> >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] First Record of Subform
> >Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:55:23 -0800
> >
> >Requery the subform.  That always sets the record pointer to 
> the first 
> >record.
> >
> >Charlotte Foust
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
> >Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:51 PM
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: [AccessD] First Record of Subform
> >
> >
> >Hello All,
> >
> >Please forgive the confusing question...but:
> >
> >In A97 I have a subform(SF2) that is refreshed each time a different 
> >record is selected in another subform(SF1).  Both are 
> continuous forms.  
> >When I
> >
> >click  a record in SF1...SF2 displays 5 records related to SF1 
> >record...I click on record#5 in SF2....now I select a 
> different record 
> >in SF1...and SF2
> >displays 8 records...but record#5 has focus.
> >
> >How do I refresh a subform and cause it to always go to the first 
> >record?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mark
> >
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 20 07:31:28 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 07:31:28 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Terminal Server and Access XP
Message-ID: <20031120073128.772570248.serbach@new.rr.com>

Greggs,

Thanks for the clarification. What floors me is that there is *anything* that requires a DOS command prompt in Windows these days.

Since I'm a rookie with Terminal Services let me see if I've got this right. I can install one copy of Access XP Runtime and one copy of the FE for my Access application on the Terminal Services server. The BE is also installed there. Then anybody that is a user of the Terminal Server loads a copy of Access XP Runtime and my application into a "separate" memory space on the server and just the screens are sent down the wire to the user's workstation/terminal. All of the normal Access processing of queries and reports and such is done on the Terminal Server for each and every user of the Access application.

Have I got that right?

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 20 07:33:06 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 07:33:06 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K / AXP: Indirect Replication
Message-ID: <20031120073306.1667392103.serbach@new.rr.com>

Dear Group,

So, nobody here has done Indirect Synchronization / Replication using an FTP site "drop box"?

Well, maybe if I get it going I can write an article for the AccessD newsletter, eh?

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 20 08:01:32 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:01:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running onone
	machine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <3FBC64B9.6080605@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEDGFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Why don't you write this up for Many to Many?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 1:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
onone machine? XPosted


Load in order

Access 97, 2 Office service packs, (ODE SP 2 if needed), Jet 3.51
Service Release 3 (needed for Jet SR7 and 8)
  Jet SR3 from here
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=7e82ef88-52ec-4a8f-
8bb2-8b06d6cb668d&DisplayLang=en

Access 2000, 3 Office service packs

Access XP,  2 Office SP's

Finally Jet Service Pack 7 on win NT or Win9x,( Access xp won't install
on win95.)
or Jet Service Pack 8 on Win2000, WinXP or Win2003
Maybe they have fixed 8 to run on lower OS, not sure.

You can't get the Office upgrades for Office 97 through the MS office
update scan site anymore
but you can get all of them from here
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-CA;sp

Oh yes there are also these two new goodies for word97 and excel 97
security.

http://woodyswatch.com/kb/?830354

http://woodyswatch.com/kb/?830356


Glen McWilliams wrote:

>Is there some place I can find instructions for loading 97, 2000, 2002 on a
machine?
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Charlotte Foust
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:44 PM
>  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
onone machine? XPosted
>
>
>  I've got two at work, 97 and 2002 (WinXP).  On my personal machine
>  (Win2k), I have 97, 2000 and 2002.  I generally use either 2000 or 2002.
>
>  Charlotte Foust
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net]
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:36 PM
>  To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
>  Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
>  one machine? XPosted
>
>
>  I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003.
>
>  The OS is win XP.
>
>  How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
>  Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>
>  Thanks
>
>
>  Joe Hecht
>
>  Los Angeles CA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 20 08:03:19 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:03:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
	runningononemachine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <004301c3af28$4009c2c0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEDHFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Also make SURE that you put them each in a different directory and program
group.  I use Office for 97 (it doesn't seem to offer a choice), but then
use Microsoft Office2K for 2K and Microsoft Office XP for XP.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Generally involves installing in the correct order (97 then 2K then XP).
And to
be safe, install the service packs for each after each app install (97 and
97
SPs, then 2K and 2K SPs, etc)

When installing 2K and XP, you will need to do a custom install and tell the
installer not to remove the previous version of access.

Also note that it is advisable to put shortcuts to each msaccess.exe where
you
can easily get them (ie for me they are in the quick launch toolbar on
Windows
2K), as each version of access claims the mdb extension automatically when
you
run it.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Glen McWilliams
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 12:59 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are
> you running ononemachine? XPosted
>
>
> Is there some place I can find instructions for loading 97,
> 2000, 2002 on a machine?
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Charlotte Foust
>   To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:44 PM
>   Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access
> are you running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
>   I've got two at work, 97 and 2002 (WinXP).  On my personal machine
>   (Win2k), I have 97, 2000 and 2002.  I generally use either
> 2000 or 2002.
>
>   Charlotte Foust
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net]
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:36 PM
>   To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
>   Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are
> you running on
>   one machine? XPosted
>
>
>   I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003.
>
>   The OS is win XP.
>
>   How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
>   Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>
>   Thanks
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 20 08:04:59 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:04:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
	ononemachine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <003e01c3af1b$9476b050$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEDHFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP for
email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look:
http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which
needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



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> John W. Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are
> you running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks
> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every
> email sent.
> SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:36 PM
> To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
> Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
> running on
> one machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003.
>
> The OS is win XP.
>
> How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
> Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Joe Hecht
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 20 08:06:41 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:06:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] John Colby Does your sysvar work in Access XP?
In-Reply-To: <002801c3af16$485cf9e0$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEDHFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Joe,

Yes it does.

John W. Colby 
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:28 PM
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Subject: [AccessD] John Colby Does your sysvar work in Access XP?


Less experienced programming minds would like to know.
 
Thanks
 

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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 20 08:26:09 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:26:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
	one machine? XPosted
Message-ID: <BAY2-F302kvYNxpsvo400005fc7@hotmail.com>

Main work machine is Office 2000 on Windows 2000
Second work Machine (My previous main system) is Office 97 on NT4

My Main home machine has Office XP on Windows XP Pro
Second system (old main system) is Office 97 Developer and Access 2 on 
Windows 98 SE.
An old Laptop has Office 97 Developer and Access 2 on Windows 98 SE
My wife's computer has Office 97 on Windows 95

My work projects are primarily Access 2000.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





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>Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on one 
>machine? XPosted
>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:36:16 -0800
>
>I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003.
>
>The OS is win XP.
>
>How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
>Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>
>Thanks
>
>
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From JHewson at karta.com  Thu Nov 20 08:34:00 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:34:00 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
	one machine? XPosted
Message-ID: <4AE733BBEEE72647A9F950F7275F262E1125AA@nt04.karta.com>


Office:  A97, A2K, AXP, Windows 2000 Pro
Home:  A2K, AXP, Windows XP
Primary development A2K.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:36 PM
To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
one machine? XPosted


I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
 
The OS is win XP.
 
How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
Which versions? What are most clients still using?
 
Thanks
 

Joe Hecht

Los Angeles CA

 

 
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From ranthony at wrsystems.com  Thu Nov 20 08:49:30 2003
From: ranthony at wrsystems.com (Randall Anthony)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:49:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running o
	none machine? XPosted
Message-ID: <5F21A4E8B8DD734992EF9E70AC9D30641288D7@mail2.wrsystems.com>

A2.0, A97, A2K, AXP.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Hewson [mailto:JHewson at karta.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
onone machine? XPosted


Office:  A97, A2K, AXP, Windows 2000 Pro
Home:  A2K, AXP, Windows XP
Primary development A2K.

Jim


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From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:36 PM
To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
one machine? XPosted


I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
 
The OS is win XP.
 
How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
Which versions? What are most clients still using?
 
Thanks
 

Joe Hecht

Los Angeles CA

 

 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 20 08:49:25 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:49:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFIEOPCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDJFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Thank you, thank you, (takes a deep bow).  <grin>

As you can see it was actually a chapter in a book.  I had some pretty
nitpicky tech editors going at it and in the end, one of them still just
didn't understand the whole thing.  That really isn't surprising however, it
took me three passes at Shamil's stuff on his web site before I finally "got
it".  Now I look back and scratch my head wondering why - the basic stuff is
just dead simple.

I really think it's the concept of an event being radiated and ANY class can
listen if the programmer knows how to set it up that threw me.  We all come
from the idea that a control BELONGS to a form and only the form can hear
it's events, and nothing in Access ever tells us otherwise.  Then along
comes withevents which tells us that every event generated by any object can
be picked up in any class anywhere (on the same machine), whether in a form,
a different form, or just a class loaded by some piece of code somewhere.
If the listener has dimmed an instance of that KIND of object (lets say a
combo) and received a pointer to the exact object (combo) that it wants to
listen to, then it can receive control when that object's events fire.

I built a class (as mentioned in this chapter) for a real client, an
insurance company. They had a business rule that they modeled with a set of
5 check boxes.  These check boxes tied directly to 5 Boolean fields in a
table.  The check boxes were inter-related, one meant the claim was a
maternity claim, an accident, an illness, was auto related or was workers
comp.

It sounds weird I know but that's one of the ways they sorted and looked at
their claims.  So the SET of checkboxes had to be handled as an entity, they
interrelated.  An accident was NOT an illness.  A maternity claim WAS an
illness and was NOT an accident.  Auto related WAS an accident and NOT an
illness.  And then there were rules as to which of the above could be
workers comp.

In order to prevent data entry errors, I needed to do checking as they
clicked check boxes.  If they clicked auto, I checked the accident and
cleared the illness and maternity, if they clicked the maternity, I cleared
the auto and accident and set the illness.  Etc.

In order to encapsulate this whole thing into a SYSTEM that was an
integrated whole, I built a class, passed in a pointer to all five check
boxes, and sank the click event for each check box.  I then built all of the
code to do this checking as a private function inside the class.

It turns out that I needed an identical set of 5 checkboxes in three
different forms - an Initial Data Entry (IDE) form for Long Term Disability
(a set of users), another IDE for Short Term Disability (a different set of
users) and a central claim form where everybody came to maintain claims.
Because I had written a class to encapsulate the whole into a class I could
set the whole thing up with 3 lines of code in each form:

**in the form header
Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

*** in the form OnOpen

    Set ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes = New dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes
    ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes.Init fclsfrm, Me, chkWorkComp, chkAutoRelated,
chkAccident, chkSickness, chkMaternity

Having done that, the class instance handled all of the checking as check
boxes were checked / unchecked.  There were no event sinks required in the
form for the checkboxes, and if the rules need changing just go to the class
and everything required is right there.  Class module header comments can
explain why I am doing what I am doing (Documentation!!!) all in one place.

NOTICE that the class was dimensioned WithEvents!!!

Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

What this means is that the class raises it's own event to notify the form
that the boxes had changed.  THIS is a critical concept as well, RaiseEvent
means that a class can radiate an event in case anyone cares to listen.

It turned out that Long term and Short term handled things a bit differently
and some recalculations in other fields were needed in STD forms where they
aren't needed in LTD forms.  By radiating an event saying that these check
boxes had changed, I could listen for that event in the STD initial data
entry form and do the recalcs, but ignore the event in LTD IDE.

Withevents and Raiseevents are nothing magical.  They are just an extension
of what every Access developer already knows.  But once you wrap your mind
around what it can do for you, the difference in the way you attack things
can be startling (even magical).

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi Guys:

An excellent article...Now I know what the 'withevents' and 'raiseevent' can
be used for other than passing error messages back  from a class.

Great stuff.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi all

Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
among the numerous authors:

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
This book chapter explains what it can do for you.

/gustav




From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Nov 20 08:54:54 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:54:54 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running onone
	machine? XPosted
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CED6@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

A2.0 Oh my god...

I wonder if anyone has 2.0, 95, 97, 2K, 2K2, 2K3 on the same desktop.

No real apps where developed in 1,0 ot 1,1 so that should really not
exists anymore...

Erwin

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Randall
Anthony
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 3:49 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
onone machine? XPosted

A2.0, A97, A2K, AXP.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Hewson [mailto:JHewson at karta.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
onone machine? XPosted


Office:  A97, A2K, AXP, Windows 2000 Pro
Home:  A2K, AXP, Windows XP
Primary development A2K.

Jim


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From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:36 PM
To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
one machine? XPosted


I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
 
The OS is win XP.
 
How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
Which versions? What are most clients still using?
 
Thanks
 

Joe Hecht

Los Angeles CA

 

 
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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Thu Nov 20 09:03:35 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:03:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running o
	none machine? XPosted
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE15A@TAPPEEXCH01>

I'm still maintaining a handful of A2.0 apps here as well.  I've considered
upsizing them but haven't found a compelling business reason to do so.
Plus, they run about 4x the speed of an equivalent A2K app.

I had a client with an invoicing app written using A1, which I avoided.  As
JC put it, A1 is a steak sauce, not a development platform.

Most developers avoided A95 like the plague due to its general
instability/suckyness.

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
onone machine? XPosted


A2.0 Oh my god...

I wonder if anyone has 2.0, 95, 97, 2K, 2K2, 2K3 on the same desktop.

No real apps where developed in 1,0 ot 1,1 so that should really not
exists anymore...

Erwin

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From greggs at msn.com  Thu Nov 20 09:14:36 2003
From: greggs at msn.com (Greggs)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:14:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Terminal Server and Access XP
In-Reply-To: <20031120073128.772570248.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <MOELIKDOANGCHBBIGOLIEEOLDEAA.greggs@msn.com>

Right... you give them the normal shortcut to the FE in the Terminal
Services window and Terminal Services will do the rest.

It will work just as though you had one FE on a regular windows network. So
if your app requires separate front ends for each user as most of mine do,
you will have to set up separate FEs for each user on Terminal services.

It is an awesome product.  Performance is outstanding and you can shadow the
user which makes support and training a breeze.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Terminal Server and Access XP


Greggs,

Thanks for the clarification. What floors me is that there is *anything*
that requires a DOS command prompt in Windows these days.

Since I'm a rookie with Terminal Services let me see if I've got this right.
I can install one copy of Access XP Runtime and one copy of the FE for my
Access application on the Terminal Services server. The BE is also installed
there. Then anybody that is a user of the Terminal Server loads a copy of
Access XP Runtime and my application into a "separate" memory space on the
server and just the screens are sent down the wire to the user's
workstation/terminal. All of the normal Access processing of queries and
reports and such is done on the Terminal Server for each and every user of
the Access application.

Have I got that right?

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 20 09:08:41 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:08:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running onone
	machine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CED6@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CED6@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <1926034555.20031120160841@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

> A2.0 Oh my god...

> I wonder if anyone has 2.0, 95, 97, 2K, 2K2, 2K3 on the same desktop.

Not exactly but:

  2.0, 95, 97, 2K on the same desktop.

Don't blame A2.0. It still runs rock steady - on everything from WinXP
down to Win95 - and Win 3.11 should you ever need it.

/gustav


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 20 09:11:44 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:11:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running onone
	machine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE15A@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEDNFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>


>...due to its general instability/suckyness.

LOL.  That just about says it.  I refuse to even look at anything in A95
that the client won't allow me to port to at least A97.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
onone machine? XPosted


I'm still maintaining a handful of A2.0 apps here as well.  I've considered
upsizing them but haven't found a compelling business reason to do so.
Plus, they run about 4x the speed of an equivalent A2K app.

I had a client with an invoicing app written using A1, which I avoided.  As
JC put it, A1 is a steak sauce, not a development platform.

Most developers avoided A95 like the plague due to its general
instability/suckyness.

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
onone machine? XPosted


A2.0 Oh my god...

I wonder if anyone has 2.0, 95, 97, 2K, 2K2, 2K3 on the same desktop.

No real apps where developed in 1,0 ot 1,1 so that should really not
exists anymore...

Erwin

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 20 09:47:44 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:47:44 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
Message-ID: <20031120094744.1147728671.serbach@new.rr.com>

Dear Group,

No, it isn't a video game. It's a Not-For-Distribution packet containing just about every Microsoft application under the sun. It looked to me first like it was like an MSDN Universal subscription, except much cheaper. Has anyone here taken advantage of this? Sorry if you've seen this before:

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack/actionpackus.aspx


Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 20 09:46:03 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:46:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running o
	none machine? XPosted
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Hi Brett

> I'm still maintaining a handful of A2.0 apps here as well.  I've considered
> upsizing them but haven't found a compelling business reason to do so.
> Plus, they run about 4x the speed of an equivalent A2K app.

I've noticed similar differences in speed.

> I had a client with an invoicing app written using A1, which I avoided.  As
> JC put it, A1 is a steak sauce, not a development platform.

> Most developers avoided A95 like the plague due to its general
> instability/suckyness.

This is not entirely true. We had a client running a major
accounting/invoicing package, four concurrent users, for about five
years without a hitch.
But, of course, this was in a NetWare environment ...

/gustav


From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 20 10:04:42 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:04:42 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Terminal Server and Access XP
Message-ID: <20031120100442.1545946710.serbach@new.rr.com>

Greggs,

Again, thanks for the clarification. This will be the first time I've ever worked with Terminal Services.

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From jdolby at GATELY.COM  Thu Nov 20 10:03:35 2003
From: jdolby at GATELY.COM (Jack Dolby)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:03:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
Message-ID: <84C3AB1A3A24D311BC9100500410A17E94E335@GATELY01>

We are on our second year of Action Pack and it is worth every penny!

Jack Dolby
Gately Communication Company

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack

Dear Group,

No, it isn't a video game. It's a Not-For-Distribution packet containing
just about every Microsoft application under the sun. It looked to me first
like it was like an MSDN Universal subscription, except much cheaper. Has
anyone here taken advantage of this? Sorry if you've seen this before:

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
/actionpackus.aspx


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 20 10:21:19 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:21:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
	ononemachine? XPosted
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312465@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Access 2 was a solid, but somewhat limited database.  It was very fast
because its AccessBasic was written in Assembler, but there were *so*
many things you had to fake ... Like tooltips ... And the commandbars
had to be created using macros!  The move to VBA came in A95, which I
managed to avoid.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


Hi Erwin

> A2.0 Oh my god...

> I wonder if anyone has 2.0, 95, 97, 2K, 2K2, 2K3 on the same desktop.

Not exactly but:

  2.0, 95, 97, 2K on the same desktop.

Don't blame A2.0. It still runs rock steady - on everything from WinXP
down to Win95 - and Win 3.11 should you ever need it.

/gustav

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 20 10:24:58 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:24:58 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312466@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I think you've hit on it, John.  I had the same experience of studying
Shamil's stuff and suddenly understanding it.  Unfortunately, I still
have difficulty explaining it to anyone else.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Thank you, thank you, (takes a deep bow).  <grin>

As you can see it was actually a chapter in a book.  I had some pretty
nitpicky tech editors going at it and in the end, one of them still just
didn't understand the whole thing.  That really isn't surprising
however, it took me three passes at Shamil's stuff on his web site
before I finally "got it".  Now I look back and scratch my head
wondering why - the basic stuff is just dead simple.

I really think it's the concept of an event being radiated and ANY class
can listen if the programmer knows how to set it up that threw me.  We
all come from the idea that a control BELONGS to a form and only the
form can hear it's events, and nothing in Access ever tells us
otherwise.  Then along comes withevents which tells us that every event
generated by any object can be picked up in any class anywhere (on the
same machine), whether in a form, a different form, or just a class
loaded by some piece of code somewhere. If the listener has dimmed an
instance of that KIND of object (lets say a
combo) and received a pointer to the exact object (combo) that it wants
to listen to, then it can receive control when that object's events
fire.

I built a class (as mentioned in this chapter) for a real client, an
insurance company. They had a business rule that they modeled with a set
of 5 check boxes.  These check boxes tied directly to 5 Boolean fields
in a table.  The check boxes were inter-related, one meant the claim was
a maternity claim, an accident, an illness, was auto related or was
workers comp.

It sounds weird I know but that's one of the ways they sorted and looked
at their claims.  So the SET of checkboxes had to be handled as an
entity, they interrelated.  An accident was NOT an illness.  A maternity
claim WAS an illness and was NOT an accident.  Auto related WAS an
accident and NOT an illness.  And then there were rules as to which of
the above could be workers comp.

In order to prevent data entry errors, I needed to do checking as they
clicked check boxes.  If they clicked auto, I checked the accident and
cleared the illness and maternity, if they clicked the maternity, I
cleared the auto and accident and set the illness.  Etc.

In order to encapsulate this whole thing into a SYSTEM that was an
integrated whole, I built a class, passed in a pointer to all five check
boxes, and sank the click event for each check box.  I then built all of
the code to do this checking as a private function inside the class.

It turns out that I needed an identical set of 5 checkboxes in three
different forms - an Initial Data Entry (IDE) form for Long Term
Disability (a set of users), another IDE for Short Term Disability (a
different set of
users) and a central claim form where everybody came to maintain claims.
Because I had written a class to encapsulate the whole into a class I
could set the whole thing up with 3 lines of code in each form:

**in the form header
Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

*** in the form OnOpen

    Set ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes = New dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes
    ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes.Init fclsfrm, Me, chkWorkComp,
chkAutoRelated, chkAccident, chkSickness, chkMaternity

Having done that, the class instance handled all of the checking as
check boxes were checked / unchecked.  There were no event sinks
required in the form for the checkboxes, and if the rules need changing
just go to the class and everything required is right there.  Class
module header comments can explain why I am doing what I am doing
(Documentation!!!) all in one place.

NOTICE that the class was dimensioned WithEvents!!!

Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

What this means is that the class raises it's own event to notify the
form that the boxes had changed.  THIS is a critical concept as well,
RaiseEvent means that a class can radiate an event in case anyone cares
to listen.

It turned out that Long term and Short term handled things a bit
differently and some recalculations in other fields were needed in STD
forms where they aren't needed in LTD forms.  By radiating an event
saying that these check boxes had changed, I could listen for that event
in the STD initial data entry form and do the recalcs, but ignore the
event in LTD IDE.

Withevents and Raiseevents are nothing magical.  They are just an
extension of what every Access developer already knows.  But once you
wrap your mind around what it can do for you, the difference in the way
you attack things can be startling (even magical).

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi Guys:

An excellent article...Now I know what the 'withevents' and 'raiseevent'
can be used for other than passing error messages back  from a class.

Great stuff.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi all

Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
among the numerous authors:

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
This book chapter explains what it can do for you.

/gustav



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 20 10:28:00 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:28:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
	runningononemachine? XPosted
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312467@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Stuart and John,

Since we install our applications on user systems, it hardly seems valid
to quibble about installing the Redemption dll as well.  We use
redemption and find it very effective since it bypasses the MAPI calls
that have been such a security problem and uses Extended MAPI instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
for email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. 
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you 
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email 
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:36 PM
> To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
> Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running 
> on one machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003.
>
> The OS is win XP.
>
> How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine. 
> Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Joe Hecht
>
> Los Angeles CA
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 20 10:34:08 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:34:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Infopath and One Note
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312469@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Well ... I'm not sure that answers any of our concerns.  They're hyping
InfoPath to the max and his reply doesn't really address the issues.  Do
I detect just a hint of fence straddling here?  Or is that just me being
cynical again?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Infopath and One Note


Disclaimer

This is a personal reply to me and NOT an OFFICIAL Microsoft Response

<quote>

I try to dispel the marketing hype around InfoPath for the Access
developer. I've yet to see an InfoPath scenario that couldn't be solved
quicker with Access 2003 and its new XML features.  If you are not
familiar with relational databases and tools like Access, then InfoPath
is a tool to consider if your business is starting to adopt XML as a
transport mechanism between business processes.
   If you live in a world of ODBC and OLEDB for moving data within your
organization - and it's working - why mess with a good thing. On the
other hand, if you are struggling with ways to send that data through
your firewall to your business partners/customers, XML works really
well, because text doesn't get hung up in the process. With that said,
Access is an excellent tool for exporting relational data as XML and
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 20 10:34:49 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:34:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Copy current record
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631246A@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>



-----Original Message-----
From: Sad Der [mailto:accessd666 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:01 AM
To: Acces User Group
Subject: [AccessD] Copy current record


Hi group,

i've got an DAO recordset in A2k called rstNM wich is
linked to table tblNewMessage

I need to copy the current record to a new table
called tblError. 

tblnewmessage and tblError are identical. 

Problem:
rstNM has 27 fields and several of them can be Null.

How can I copy the current record (wich has at least
one Null value) to this table?

TIA

Sander

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 20 10:43:10 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:43:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
Message-ID: <20031120104310.1982667250.serbach@new.rr.com>

Jack,

>> We are on our second year of Action Pack and it is worth every penny! <<

I can well believe it. What I'm interested in is if it allows a developer to distribute Runtime Access applications. Any idea on that?

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 20 10:38:00 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:38:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] First Record of Subform
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631246B@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

That's interesting because I've never seen that behavior ... Unless I
misunderstood the scenario you described.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] First Record of Subform


Sorry Charlotte...but thats not the case...I requery the subform of SF2
on 
each ONCURRENT of SF1...and whatever record has focus prior...still has 
focus after the REQUERY.

Other ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] First Record of Subform
>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:55:23 -0800
>
>Requery the subform.  That always sets the record pointer to the first 
>record.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:51 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] First Record of Subform
>
>
>Hello All,
>
>Please forgive the confusing question...but:
>
>In A97 I have a subform(SF2) that is refreshed each time a different 
>record is selected in another subform(SF1).  Both are continuous forms.

>When I
>
>click  a record in SF1...SF2 displays 5 records related to SF1 
>record...I click on record#5 in SF2....now I select a different record 
>in SF1...and SF2
>displays 8 records...but record#5 has focus.
>
>How do I refresh a subform and cause it to always go to the first 
>record?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Thu Nov 20 10:38:32 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:38:32 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE15B@TAPPEEXCH01>

OK, I give up.
What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?

And a better question:
If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?
Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed us: "The email
warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be bypassed"  Uh huh...


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
for email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. 
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you 
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email 
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>

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From Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov  Thu Nov 20 10:40:33 2003
From: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov (Stoker, Kenneth E)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:40:33 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
	one machine? XPosted
Message-ID: <249C1CB246997C48BB74963CCD361C1B014A0290@pnlmse28.pnl.gov>

I have A2000 and A2002 on my machine, which is running Win XP.

Ken Stoker
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-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:36 PM
To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
one machine? XPosted


I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
 
The OS is win XP.
 
How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
Which versions? What are most clients still using?
 
Thanks
 

Joe Hecht

Los Angeles CA

 

 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 20 10:44:25 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:44:25 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631246D@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Not to my knowledge.  We still have individual licenses for Office
Developer on each of our machines.  It does allow you to run all the
various apps as test platforms, though.

Charlotte Foust

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From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack


Jack,

>> We are on our second year of Action Pack and it is worth every penny!

>> <<

I can well believe it. What I'm interested in is if it allows a
developer to distribute Runtime Access applications. Any idea on that?

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 20 10:50:14 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:50:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Infopath and One Note
In-Reply-To: <000901c3af43$e615e4d0$9111758f@aine>
References: <20031120080111.64718.qmail@web60204.mail.yahoo.com>
 <000901c3af43$e615e4d0$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <1032127787.20031120175014@cactus.dk>

Hi Martin

I agree with Charlotte - he makes it sound like InfoPath is a
no-product? 

And this scares me:

> .. If you are not familiar with relational databases and tools like
> Access, then InfoPath is a tool to consider if your business is starting
> to adopt XML as a transport mechanism between business processes.

I mean, if you are not familiar with relational databases, you don't
know about a relational structure and, thus, you should stay away from
even thinking of transferring data by any means including XML as you
don't have a chance to know what you are doing.

Of course, you can move around with a Word document saved as XML but
that has little to do with moving data between business processes.

/gustav

> <quote>

> I try to dispel the marketing hype around InfoPath for the Access developer.
> I've yet to see an InfoPath
> scenario that couldn't be solved quicker with Access 2003 and its new
> XML features.  If you are not familiar with relational databases and tools
> like
> Access, then InfoPath is a tool to consider if your business is starting
> to adopt XML as a transport mechanism between business processes.
>    If you live in a world of ODBC and OLEDB for moving data within your
> organization - and it's working - why mess with a good thing. On the
> other hand, if you are struggling with ways to send that data through
> your firewall to your business partners/customers, XML works really
> well, because text doesn't get hung up in the process. With that said,
> Access is an excellent tool for exporting relational data as XML and
> importing XML from other sources.


From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Nov 20 10:52:12 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:52:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F8DF@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

There seems to be some stigma about using COM components with Access apps.  I do it all the time for a number of reasons:

1. Keeps the db size smaller by moving large code blocks into the COM object
2. Compiled code is more secure
3. Compiled code runs faster
4. The COM object is a great way to store and reuse common libraries (no files to move around, no copy/paste of code)
5. I can use functionality that may not be a part of A97 (in my case) such as providing enums to functions or use of Interfaces
6. Copying and registering an ActiveX DLL is easy and simple.
7. I can even reuse certain functionality in web apps via ASP (my DataGrabber -name changed to protect the innocent- can be used in Access, VB, ASP or any COM compliant application).

I guess if I keep going I could do a "Jim's Top Ten reasons To Use COM"!

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


OK, I give up.
What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?

And a better question:
If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?
Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed us: "The email
warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be bypassed"  Uh huh...


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
for email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. 
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you 
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email 
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 20 10:53:41 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:53:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
In-Reply-To: <20031120094744.1147728671.serbach@new.rr.com>
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Steve,

  I've been on it a little over two years.  I have a MSDN Universal
subscription as well.  The action pack is geared towards sales people and
marketing.  It basically tells you how to sell Microsoft products.  So far,
I have not taken advantage of it, but feel if I need to explore something
new, it will be there.

  And to answer your question, no because technically your not buying the
Developers Edition and the license to distribute.  Could you?  Yes.  What
Microsoft care?  Probably not.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack


Dear Group,

No, it isn't a video game. It's a Not-For-Distribution packet containing
just about every Microsoft application under the sun. It looked to me first
like it was like an MSDN Universal subscription, except much cheaper. Has
anyone here taken advantage of this? Sorry if you've seen this before:

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
/actionpackus.aspx


Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Thu Nov 20 10:56:35 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:56:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Page Break and SubReport
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01C75341@ccemail2.cce.local>

Charlotte,

I tried these two things and neither works (see below).  When I put it
on_open of report, I get an error.  When I put it on_format of the
detail section where the subreport and the page break are both located I
don't get an error, but it doesn't work either.  In debugging, I do find
that the value for Me!sub_payhist.Report.HasData is 0 which means that
it is seeing that there is no data on the report.  Could it be that even
when the page break item is invisible, it still functions?

--Susan

#1:
Me!PageBreak_payhistory.Visible = Me!sub_payhist.Report.HasData 

#2:
If Me!sub_payhist.Report.HasData = 0 Then
    Me!PageBreak_payhistory.Visible = False
Else: Me!PageBreak_payhistory.Visible = True
End If

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Page Break and SubReport


Put it in the main report and set the pagebreak to Visible =  the
subreport's HasData property.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 2:31 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Page Break and SubReport


I have a report that has a subreport.  In the subreport there sometimes
is data and sometimes not.  When there is data, I want a page break and
then the subreport.  When there is not data, I want no page break and no
subreport.  When I put the pagebreak in the main report, I get a page
break regardless of what's in the subreport.  When I put it in the
subreport, I still get a page break even when the subreport doesn't show
because there is no data.  I've tried a couple of code manipulations
that look to see if there is no data and if there isn't set the
subreport to invisible, but that doesn't work.  Suggestions?

--Susan


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Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Nov 20 10:58:47 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:58:47 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Infopath and One Note
References: <20031120080111.64718.qmail@web60204.mail.yahoo.com>
	<000901c3af43$e615e4d0$9111758f@aine> <1032127787.20031120175014@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000b01c3af87$9041c120$9111758f@aine>

To be honest during the beta process thats the impression I got. The ACcess
XML list had about 11 posts and similar level of posts in other XML related
groups. Appeared to be no interest.

I think its a product looking for a market.

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Infopath and One Note


> Hi Martin
>
> I agree with Charlotte - he makes it sound like InfoPath is a
> no-product?
>
> And this scares me:
>
> > .. If you are not familiar with relational databases and tools like
> > Access, then InfoPath is a tool to consider if your business is starting
> > to adopt XML as a transport mechanism between business processes.
>
> I mean, if you are not familiar with relational databases, you don't
> know about a relational structure and, thus, you should stay away from
> even thinking of transferring data by any means including XML as you
> don't have a chance to know what you are doing.
>
> Of course, you can move around with a Word document saved as XML but
> that has little to do with moving data between business processes.
>
> /gustav
>
> > <quote>
>
> > I try to dispel the marketing hype around InfoPath for the Access
developer.
> > I've yet to see an InfoPath
> > scenario that couldn't be solved quicker with Access 2003 and its new
> > XML features.  If you are not familiar with relational databases and
tools
> > like
> > Access, then InfoPath is a tool to consider if your business is starting
> > to adopt XML as a transport mechanism between business processes.
> >    If you live in a world of ODBC and OLEDB for moving data within your
> > organization - and it's working - why mess with a good thing. On the
> > other hand, if you are struggling with ways to send that data through
> > your firewall to your business partners/customers, XML works really
> > well, because text doesn't get hung up in the process. With that said,
> > Access is an excellent tool for exporting relational data as XML and
> > importing XML from other sources.
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov 20 11:00:38 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:00:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Infopath and One Note
References: 	<20031120080111.64718.qmail@web60204.mail.yahoo.com><000901c3af43$e615e4d0$9111758f@aine>
	<1032127787.20031120175014@cactus.dk> <000b01c3af87$9041c120$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <017401c3af87$e14cd320$210110ac@SUSANONE>

There aren't any publishers  interested in it either -- not yet at any rate.
I've seen a few books on it, but in general -- editors don't even want a
proposal on it. And the contents sites aren't biting at topics either. Could
mean that the product simply hasn't found its niche yet, but could also mean
it's a product for a certain audience, but that audience is small enough
that no one's really interested in hitting it.

Susan H.


> To be honest during the beta process thats the impression I got. The
ACcess
> XML list had about 11 posts and similar level of posts in other XML
related
> groups. Appeared to be no interest.
>
> I think its a product looking for a market.
>
> Martin
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 4:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Infopath and One Note
>
>
> > Hi Martin
> >
> > I agree with Charlotte - he makes it sound like InfoPath is a
> > no-product?
> >
> > And this scares me:
> >
> > > .. If you are not familiar with relational databases and tools like
> > > Access, then InfoPath is a tool to consider if your business is
starting
> > > to adopt XML as a transport mechanism between business processes.
> >
> > I mean, if you are not familiar with relational databases, you don't
> > know about a relational structure and, thus, you should stay away from
> > even thinking of transferring data by any means including XML as you
> > don't have a chance to know what you are doing.
> >
> > Of course, you can move around with a Word document saved as XML but
> > that has little to do with moving data between business processes.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > > <quote>
> >
> > > I try to dispel the marketing hype around InfoPath for the Access
> developer.
> > > I've yet to see an InfoPath
> > > scenario that couldn't be solved quicker with Access 2003 and its new
> > > XML features.  If you are not familiar with relational databases and
> tools
> > > like
> > > Access, then InfoPath is a tool to consider if your business is
starting
> > > to adopt XML as a transport mechanism between business processes.
> > >    If you live in a world of ODBC and OLEDB for moving data within
your
> > > organization - and it's working - why mess with a good thing. On the
> > > other hand, if you are struggling with ways to send that data through
> > > your firewall to your business partners/customers, XML works really
> > > well, because text doesn't get hung up in the process. With that said,
> > > Access is an excellent tool for exporting relational data as XML and
> > > importing XML from other sources.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Nov 20 11:07:06 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:07:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA306AF570@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB032@ADGSERVER>

Don't know about the first part, but you can use extended MAPI which is in
CDO (which is being phased) out to bypass the security thing.  That is what
Redemption is doing.

Bobby



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


OK, I give up.
What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?

And a better question:
If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?
Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed us: "The email
warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be bypassed"  Uh huh...


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP for
email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you 
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>

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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Thu Nov 20 11:16:26 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:16:26 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE15C@TAPPEEXCH01>

Bobby,
Do you have any CDO links/resources that give examples of this?
I'd like to write my own royalty/license free version of this.  Then I could
wrap it into my own class, and maybe compile it into an ActiveX DLL to use
in my projects.  (Oops!  Sorry John)


-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Don't know about the first part, but you can use extended MAPI which is in
CDO (which is being phased) out to bypass the security thing.  That is what
Redemption is doing.

Bobby



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


OK, I give up.
What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?

And a better question:
If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?
Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed us: "The email
warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be bypassed"  Uh huh...


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP for
email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you 
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 20 11:20:29 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:20:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631246E@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I tmight be simpler to write something to use SMTP instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Bobby,
Do you have any CDO links/resources that give examples of this? I'd like
to write my own royalty/license free version of this.  Then I could wrap
it into my own class, and maybe compile it into an ActiveX DLL to use in
my projects.  (Oops!  Sorry John)


-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Don't know about the first part, but you can use extended MAPI which is
in CDO (which is being phased) out to bypass the security thing.  That
is what Redemption is doing.

Bobby



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett
Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


OK, I give up.
What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's
machine?

And a better question:
If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security
dialog? Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed
us: "The email warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be
bypassed"  Uh huh...


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
for email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. 
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email 
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't 
> install it on my dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I 
> am NOT happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 20 11:33:32 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:33:32 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
Message-ID: <20031120113332.2090885569.serbach@new.rr.com>

Charlotte,

>> Not to my knowledge. ?We still have individual licenses for Office
Developer on each of our machines. ?It does allow you to run all the
various apps as test platforms, though. <<

A closer reading of the web site gave me some additional information, too. I don't see the Developer's edition of OfficeXP included in the subscription...but $300 for the whole shebang is hard to pass up.

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 20 11:35:50 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:35:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
Message-ID: <20031120113550.1992730160.serbach@new.rr.com>

Jim,

>> I've been on it a little over two years. ?I have a MSDN Universal
subscription as well. <<

If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious. MSDN Universal includes everything. Why would you want the Action Pack?

>> And to answer your question, no because technically your not buying the Developers Edition and the license to distribute.  Could you?  Yes.  What Microsoft care?  Probably not. <<

Thanks for the interp.

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Nov 20 11:40:15 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:40:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA306AF588@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB034@ADGSERVER>

Look around here. http://www.slipstick.com/

Lots of examples, links, and information.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Bobby,
Do you have any CDO links/resources that give examples of this? I'd like to
write my own royalty/license free version of this.  Then I could wrap it
into my own class, and maybe compile it into an ActiveX DLL to use in my
projects.  (Oops!  Sorry John)


-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Don't know about the first part, but you can use extended MAPI which is in
CDO (which is being phased) out to bypass the security thing.  That is what
Redemption is doing.

Bobby



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


OK, I give up.
What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?

And a better question:
If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?
Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed us: "The email
warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be bypassed"  Uh huh...


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP for
email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. 
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email 
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't 
> install it on my dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I 
> am NOT happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>

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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Nov 20 12:05:31 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:05:31 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] A2K / AXP: Indirect Replication
In-Reply-To: <20031120073306.1667392103.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031121070046.00b5c4a0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Steve,

I have done indirect synchronizing but not with an FTP site.  I have the 
drop boxes on the server and the users need to dial into the server.  In 
this case their drop boxes need to be shared, but they ONLY have 
permissions to view their drop box and the server's box (otherwise, if they 
have permission on the folder that the database file is in then direct 
synchronization takes place - not a good idea over a land line).

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205

At 20/11/2003, you wrote:
>Dear Group,
>
>So, nobody here has done Indirect Synchronization / Replication using an 
>FTP site "drop box"?
>
>Well, maybe if I get it going I can write an article for the AccessD 
>newsletter, eh?
>
>Regards,
>
>Steve Erbach
>Scientific Marketing
>Neenah, WI
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 20 12:05:40 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:05:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are
	yourunningononemachine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312467@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEEHFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Charlotte,

>Since we install our applications on user systems, it hardly seems valid to
quibble about installing the Redemption dll as well.

The problem with that argument is that I don't use runtimes.  Thus an
"install" is nothing more than running a batch file that builds a directory,
downloads my framework to the windows dir and the app to it's dir, then
starts the app.  Installing a dll means registering it (doesn't it?).  If I
could simply copy it somewhere and use it I would quiet my complaints
considerably.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are
yourunningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart and John,

Since we install our applications on user systems, it hardly seems valid
to quibble about installing the Redemption dll as well.  We use
redemption and find it very effective since it bypasses the MAPI calls
that have been such a security problem and uses Extended MAPI instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
for email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:36 PM
> To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
> Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
> on one machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003.
>
> The OS is win XP.
>
> How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
> Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Joe Hecht
>
> Los Angeles CA
>
>
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 20 12:14:07 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:14:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE15B@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEEIFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?

The big issue is I don't use an installer, nor a runtime.  Thus I have to do
"something" (unexplained) to get it installed on that machine.  What is that
"something" that is no big deal?

>If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?

I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that turns it on. (A2K)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


OK, I give up.
What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?

And a better question:
If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?
Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed us: "The email
warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be bypassed"  Uh huh...


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
for email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 20 12:11:25 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:11:25 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
References: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE15B@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <3FBD03CD.30507@shaw.ca>

One big issue , you might have to deal with, is the wild rolling of the 
eyes of network guys
when you suggest installing a dll affecting security that has not 
recieved an imperitur from the local potentate.
especially on locked down networks.

Brett Barabash wrote:

>OK, I give up.
>What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?
>
>And a better question:
>If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?
>Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed us: "The email
>warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be bypassed"  Uh huh...
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
>Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
>runningononemachine? XPosted
>
>
>Stuart,
>
>The same reason I don't use it.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
>Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
>ononemachine? XPosted
>
>
>I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
>for email currently, but don't use automation.
>
>I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/
>
>Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
>which needs to be installed on systems.
>
>Stuart
>
>
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. 
>>Colby
>>Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you 
>>running onone machine? XPosted
>>
>>
>>I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>>
>>I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email 
>>sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
>>install it on my
>>dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
>>happy to have to
>>do that!
>>
>>John W. Colby
>>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>    
>>
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Nov 20 12:19:31 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:19:31 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DD4@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Yes, I have them for 3 or 4 years now.

Highly advisable and much cheaper than regular licenses.
But, Only for dealers, resellers,  etx 

Not everything is included.
The ODE's, .NET, are for example not included.
It's Office, Windows OS's, SQL, Exchange server, ISA server, that kind
of stuff.
At least in the Belgian version.

Erwin

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Verzonden: donderdag 20 november 2003 16:48
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack

Dear Group,

No, it isn't a video game. It's a Not-For-Distribution packet containing
just about every Microsoft application under the sun. It looked to me
first like it was like an MSDN Universal subscription, except much
cheaper. Has anyone here taken advantage of this? Sorry if you've seen
this before:

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack/actionpackus.aspx


Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 20 12:20:44 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:20:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F8DF@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEEIFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Jim,

If I were a VB6 programmer I probably would have attacked this problem ages
ago.  Since I'm not I don't routinely build DLLs.  All I know is that when I
try to use VBEErrorHandler I have to open the run dialog, and paste in a
line of code that causes it to be registered.  Thinking about it in that
light, I have to assume I could run that same line of code in a batch file,
properly modified with the name of the dll to register?  Assuming that it
doesn't annoy the user with an error message the 2nd and subsequent times I
register it (the user runs the "download my app" batch file every morning)
then it would be easy enough to start using something like redemption.

In the end, inertia is the reason I don't (I've been reading Isaac Asimov's
Physics book).  If an object is at rest (Me re dlls) it takes an external
force to put it in motion.

<grin>

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


There seems to be some stigma about using COM components with Access apps.
I do it all the time for a number of reasons:

1. Keeps the db size smaller by moving large code blocks into the COM object
2. Compiled code is more secure
3. Compiled code runs faster
4. The COM object is a great way to store and reuse common libraries (no
files to move around, no copy/paste of code)
5. I can use functionality that may not be a part of A97 (in my case) such
as providing enums to functions or use of Interfaces
6. Copying and registering an ActiveX DLL is easy and simple.
7. I can even reuse certain functionality in web apps via ASP (my
DataGrabber -name changed to protect the innocent- can be used in Access,
VB, ASP or any COM compliant application).

I guess if I keep going I could do a "Jim's Top Ten reasons To Use COM"!

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


OK, I give up.
What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?

And a better question:
If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?
Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed us: "The email
warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be bypassed"  Uh huh...


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
for email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 20 12:21:24 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:21:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access
	areyourunningononemachine? XPosted
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631246F@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Ah, I see.  We create full blown installers, so we can install and
register anything we need.  We never just copy files, since we have no
control and no way of knowing what operating system or anything else
will be on the target machine.  However, it wouldn't be hard to copy the
dll and run regsvr32 in your batch file to register it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access
areyourunningononemachine? XPosted


Charlotte,

>Since we install our applications on user systems, it hardly seems 
>valid to
quibble about installing the Redemption dll as well.

The problem with that argument is that I don't use runtimes.  Thus an
"install" is nothing more than running a batch file that builds a
directory, downloads my framework to the windows dir and the app to it's
dir, then starts the app.  Installing a dll means registering it
(doesn't it?).  If I could simply copy it somewhere and use it I would
quiet my complaints considerably.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are
yourunningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart and John,

Since we install our applications on user systems, it hardly seems valid
to quibble about installing the Redemption dll as well.  We use
redemption and find it very effective since it bypasses the MAPI calls
that have been such a security problem and uses Extended MAPI instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
for email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. 
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you 
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email 
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't 
> install it on my dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I 
> am NOT happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:36 PM
> To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
> Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running 
> on one machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003.
>
> The OS is win XP.
>
> How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine. 
> Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Joe Hecht
>
> Los Angeles CA
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 20 12:23:30 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:23:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312470@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

It doesn't affect security, Marty.  It uses Extended MAPI, which isn't
subject to the security problems with MAPI, so the calls don't trigger
the security flags.  MAPI is where all the security holes have been
found.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


One big issue , you might have to deal with, is the wild rolling of the 
eyes of network guys
when you suggest installing a dll affecting security that has not 
recieved an imperitur from the local potentate.
especially on locked down networks.

Brett Barabash wrote:

>OK, I give up.
>What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's 
>machine?
>
>And a better question:
>If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security 
>dialog? Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed 
>us: "The email warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be 
>bypassed"  Uh huh...
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
>Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
>runningononemachine? XPosted
>
>
>Stuart,
>
>The same reason I don't use it.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart 
>Sanders
>Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
running
>ononemachine? XPosted
>
>
>I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP

>for email currently, but don't use automation.
>
>I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/
>
>Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com 
>component which needs to be installed on systems.
>
>Stuart
>
>
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
>>Colby
>>Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you 
>>running onone machine? XPosted
>>
>>
>>I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>>
>>I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email
>>sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
>>install it on my
>>dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
>>happy to have to
>>do that!
>>
>>John W. Colby
>>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>    
>>
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Nov 20 12:24:06 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:24:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF7264@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

If I understand well, you are only allowed to use the soft during a
period of 1 year and then you need to renew your action pack. 

As I already responded.
I never had a ODE in my action pack. Only ting I ever had was Visual
Interdev (I believe)..
Always purchased seperately ODE and VB and .NET.

Erwin

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Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Charlotte Foust
Verzonden: donderdag 20 november 2003 17:44
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack

Not to my knowledge.  We still have individual licenses for Office
Developer on each of our machines.  It does allow you to run all the
various apps as test platforms, though.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack


Jack,

>> We are on our second year of Action Pack and it is worth every penny!

>> <<

I can well believe it. What I'm interested in is if it allows a
developer to distribute Runtime Access applications. Any idea on that?

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 20 13:39:43 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:39:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K / AXP: Indirect Replication
Message-ID: <20031120133943.1361225605.serbach@new.rr.com>

David,

Thanks for the reply! I'm beginning to think that no one on the face of the planet has ever done FTP Indirect Synchronization. I'm trying to make sense of the TSI Synchronizer since it says that it will handle indirect synchronization.

Nothing for it but to slog through it, I guess. I'll try to keep notes.

Regards,
 
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 20 14:32:32 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:32:32 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Infopath and One Note
References: <20031120080111.64718.qmail@web60204.mail.yahoo.com>
 <000901c3af43$e615e4d0$9111758f@aine> <1032127787.20031120175014@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <3FBD24E0.3030004@shaw.ca>

Where this is leading, I am not sure but here are some things, you can 
do with InfoPath.

---------
Here is one way of getting speed out of xml files try using with InfoPath
If the methods are followed you may get a retrieval time 10 times that 
of SQL

Creating an In-Memory Database Using XML and XPath -- Part 2
 
http://www.15seconds.com/Issue/010410.htm?voteresult=5
----------

downloaded the InfoPath SDK, and try to use the ADO sample form and 
access database that MS has provided.
However, one caveat that messed me up
If you search inside manifest.xsf you will see that the reference to 
Infnwind.mdb is relative. So the published form template expects to find 
Infnwind.mdb in the same directory as you published the form template 
to. But the Access database isn't there. If you copy it there your 
problem should be solved. Copy Infnwind.mdb to the shared folder.

InfoPath SDK

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616-93aa-4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en

---
 Try viewing the .xsn or .mht file in IE.
-------
You should be able to access web services from InfoPath.
-------


Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi Martin
>
>I agree with Charlotte - he makes it sound like InfoPath is a
>no-product? 
>
>And this scares me:
>
>  
>
>>.. If you are not familiar with relational databases and tools like
>>Access, then InfoPath is a tool to consider if your business is starting
>>to adopt XML as a transport mechanism between business processes.
>>    
>>
>
>I mean, if you are not familiar with relational databases, you don't
>know about a relational structure and, thus, you should stay away from
>even thinking of transferring data by any means including XML as you
>don't have a chance to know what you are doing.
>
>Of course, you can move around with a Word document saved as XML but
>that has little to do with moving data between business processes.
>
>/gustav
>
>  
>
>><quote>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>I try to dispel the marketing hype around InfoPath for the Access developer.
>>I've yet to see an InfoPath
>>scenario that couldn't be solved quicker with Access 2003 and its new
>>XML features.  If you are not familiar with relational databases and tools
>>like
>>Access, then InfoPath is a tool to consider if your business is starting
>>to adopt XML as a transport mechanism between business processes.
>>   If you live in a world of ODBC and OLEDB for moving data within your
>>organization - and it's working - why mess with a good thing. On the
>>other hand, if you are struggling with ways to send that data through
>>your firewall to your business partners/customers, XML works really
>>well, because text doesn't get hung up in the process. With that said,
>>Access is an excellent tool for exporting relational data as XML and
>>importing XML from other sources.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov 20 16:13:36 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:13:36 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running onone
	machine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CED6@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <3FBDC930.21849.2C2518@localhost>

On 20 Nov 2003 at 15:54, Erwin Craps wrote:

> A2.0 Oh my god...
> 
> I wonder if anyone has 2.0, 95, 97, 2K, 2K2, 2K3 on the same desktop.
> 
> No real apps where developed in 1,0 ot 1,1 so that should really not
> exists anymore...
> 

Exsqueese me. I built a "real app"  in 1.1 in 1993 :-)
My first foray into Access after quite a few years of Dataflex - what 
a mind bender :-)

 
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Thu Nov 20 16:57:38 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:57:38 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel event proc Urgent
Message-ID: <000a01c3afb9$b26cef40$6401a8c0@user>

Hi all - apologies for posting an Excel question - (I'm desperate now).

I am writing an Excel app for a client and finding my way through the events in Excel vs. Access.

I have 3 combo box controls on the worksheet. When the user changes data in any of the 3, I want to construct a code based on the 1st digit of the data in each combo.

I have spent may hours playing with the Worksheet_change event, but I now realise that that does not fire when data changes in a form control (in the combo anyway). What event can I use which will fire when the user makes a selection in the combo box?

Thanks - running out of time.

Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au

From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Thu Nov 20 17:00:54 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:00:54 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Re: OT Excel event proc Urgent
Message-ID: <001501c3afba$26f27e70$6401a8c0@user>

OK - just worked it out. (Assign macro etc.)

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  Subject: OT Excel event proc Urgent


  Hi all - apologies for posting an Excel question - (I'm desperate now).

  I am writing an Excel app for a client and finding my way through the events in Excel vs. Access.

  I have 3 combo box controls on the worksheet. When the user changes data in any of the 3, I want to construct a code based on the 1st digit of the data in each combo.

  I have spent may hours playing with the Worksheet_change event, but I now realise that that does not fire when data changes in a form control (in the combo anyway). What event can I use which will fire when the user makes a selection in the combo box?

  Thanks - running out of time.

  Kath Pelletti
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
  sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au

From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Thu Nov 20 17:38:07 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:38:07 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control
Message-ID: <002401c3afbf$5a1f4940$6401a8c0@user>

Can anyone tell me how to refer to a form control in Excel (in this case a combo box) so that I can read its contents into a variable in vba?

Urgent.
TIA


Kath Pelletti
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 20 17:40:30 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:40:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
In-Reply-To: <20031120113550.1992730160.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEFAHOAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Steve,

<<If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious. MSDN Universal
includes everything. Why would you want the Action Pack?>>

  As I said, the Action Pack is geared towards marketing and sales.  It's a
different focus.  The only reason software is in there is to help you
explore new areas of technology.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack


Jim,

>> I've been on it a little over two years. ?I have a MSDN Universal
subscription as well. <<

If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious. MSDN Universal
includes everything. Why would you want the Action Pack?

>> And to answer your question, no because technically your not buying the
Developers Edition and the license to distribute.  Could you?  Yes.  What
Microsoft care?  Probably not. <<

Thanks for the interp.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Thu Nov 20 17:55:30 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:55:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE166@TAPPEEXCH01>

> What is that "something" that is no big deal?
Copy the DLL to the machine (by convention winnt\system32, but you can put
it anywhere you want) and regsvr32 <DLL Path>.  You can do this from a
command line, or in a batch file (in which case I would use the /s switch
with regsvr32 to supress the confirmation msgbox).  
Alternatively, you can use the setup.exe that comes with the Redemption DLL
to install it.
Either way, no big deal.

>I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that turns it on. (A2K)
Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious VBScript code from
propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your clients not to
install security patches so your email code will work?


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


>What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?

The big issue is I don't use an installer, nor a runtime.  Thus I have to do
"something" (unexplained) to get it installed on that machine.  What is that
"something" that is no big deal?

>If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?

I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that turns it on. (A2K)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


OK, I give up.
What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?

And a better question:
If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?
Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed us: "The email
warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be bypassed"  Uh huh...


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
for email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 20 18:20:10 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:20:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE166@TAPPEEXCH01>
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>Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious VBScript code from
propagating viruses IS a big deal.

So in other words, its quite ok to run vbscripts that trash the client,
format hard disks etc. as long as you don't propagate it?  How silly does
that sound?

>Are you advising your clients not to install security patches so your email
code will work?

Turning on SP3 doesn't prevent code (viruses) from running, it causes a
stupid box to pop up IF a mail tries to go out that is caused by code.  BIG
DIFFERENCE.  IOW, it makes NO attempt to stop viruses, it simply attempts to
protect Microsoft's ass from lawsuits when a virus sends email.  As long as
the virus doesn't send email, hey, do whatever you want.

My code is NOT a virus.  I wrote it at the request of my client.  To allow
viruses to run (vb code) but prevent my valid code from mailing out is
simply ludicrous, stupid, silly, and finally, fu*king irritating.

So no, I'm advising my client to run virus checkers to stop viruses (hmmm...
that's even what they're CALLED!), and yes, I'm advising my client not to
install a stupid, silly, ludicrous and finally, fuc*ing irritating POS
service patch that is nothing more than an attempt by Microsoft to protect
THEMSELVES at MY expense.

Uhh... did I make my position clear?

<grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


> What is that "something" that is no big deal?
Copy the DLL to the machine (by convention winnt\system32, but you can put
it anywhere you want) and regsvr32 <DLL Path>.  You can do this from a
command line, or in a batch file (in which case I would use the /s switch
with regsvr32 to supress the confirmation msgbox).
Alternatively, you can use the setup.exe that comes with the Redemption DLL
to install it.
Either way, no big deal.

>I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that turns it on. (A2K)
Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious VBScript code from
propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your clients not to
install security patches so your email code will work?


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


>What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?

The big issue is I don't use an installer, nor a runtime.  Thus I have to do
"something" (unexplained) to get it installed on that machine.  What is that
"something" that is no big deal?

>If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?

I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that turns it on. (A2K)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


OK, I give up.
What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?

And a better question:
If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?
Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed us: "The email
warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be bypassed"  Uh huh...


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
for email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov 20 18:32:00 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:32:00 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE166@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <3FBDE9A0.16070.BC492@localhost>

On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:

> 
> >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that turns it on. (A2K)
> Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious VBScript code from
> propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your clients not to
> install security patches so your email code will work?
> 
> 
I'm with JC 100% on this one.

The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting 
machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's 
not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.

It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess 
communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite 
paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which 
has the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing 
applications.  

Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
(At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email 
programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about 
it at all <VBG>)






 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 20 19:40:08 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:40:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <3FBDE9A0.16070.BC492@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEFPFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Stuart,

I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The unfortunate
reality is that there are millions of machines out there used by individuals
in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run virus checkers.
THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that they only screw
up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has no place in a
business where they should be running AV software.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:

>
> >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that turns it on. (A2K)
> Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious VBScript code
from
> propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your clients not to
> install security patches so your email code will work?
>
>
I'm with JC 100% on this one.

The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting
machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's
not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.

It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess
communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite
paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which
has the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing
applications.

Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
(At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email
programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about
it at all <VBG>)







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From jmhla at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 20 20:29:16 2003
From: jmhla at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:29:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000801c3afd7$47b9e360$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>

John

Put me in group 4

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA



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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather
using workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a
database down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books
needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
would need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the
job done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
learn it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate
it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do
so I just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Thu Nov 20 22:10:40 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:10:40 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE15B@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <005701c3afe5$6d8d8a70$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>




> -----Original Message-----
> OK, I give up.
> What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a
> user's machine?

I generally avoid installing extra dlls except where absolutely necessary
because of past dll problems.  Particularly with Microsofts standard controls
that some other app would install another version that broke what I was doing.
"One bitten twice shy"

In most cases I don't need other components at runtime.  (there are some
exceptions ... See below for one)

> And a better question:
> If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the
> security dialog?
> Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed
> us: "The email
> warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be bypassed"
>  Uh huh...

OK a separate question from me.  What do YOU do when a client refuses to use
Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express because of security concerns?  Redemption
isn't going to be useful for you then.  I have clients like that, so tried to
adopt an agnostic solution that could be used across the board.  Initially I
wrote a small smtp engine in vba, then ended up using a free 3rd party smtp
control.  So as a separate answer to your first question, I do use other com
controls, but sparingly.

The reason I'm now considering looking at redemption is not for email per se,
but for integration into outlook (email, contacts, meetings etc) for a medium
term project I'm working on, and redemption looks like a good place to start.
This would then force the use of outlook, which limits it a bit.  Since I do
currently use outlook, a nice bonus would be that I could hook my internal
systems into redemption for emailing statements and so on, and I plan to use the
developer version of the control for that when I have some time.

Regards

Stuart



From john at winhaven.net  Thu Nov 20 22:54:13 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:54:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEFLFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOENJFFAA.john@winhaven.net>

JC,
I'm trying to read between the lines here but I'm not quite sure of what
you're trying to say.

Are you implying that Microsoft would do something techically simple to
address a complicated problem for the sake of public image?!

Please clarify this.
JB


<big grin>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
>
>
> >Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious
> VBScript code from
> propagating viruses IS a big deal.
>
> So in other words, its quite ok to run vbscripts that trash the client,
> format hard disks etc. as long as you don't propagate it?  How silly does
> that sound?
>
> >Are you advising your clients not to install security patches so
> your email
> code will work?
>
> Turning on SP3 doesn't prevent code (viruses) from running, it causes a
> stupid box to pop up IF a mail tries to go out that is caused by
> code.  BIG
> DIFFERENCE.  IOW, it makes NO attempt to stop viruses, it simply
> attempts to
> protect Microsoft's ass from lawsuits when a virus sends email.
> As long as
> the virus doesn't send email, hey, do whatever you want.
>
> My code is NOT a virus.  I wrote it at the request of my client.  To allow
> viruses to run (vb code) but prevent my valid code from mailing out is
> simply ludicrous, stupid, silly, and finally, fu*king irritating.
>
> So no, I'm advising my client to run virus checkers to stop
> viruses (hmmm...
> that's even what they're CALLED!), and yes, I'm advising my client not to
> install a stupid, silly, ludicrous and finally, fuc*ing irritating POS
> service patch that is nothing more than an attempt by Microsoft to protect
> THEMSELVES at MY expense.
>
> Uhh... did I make my position clear?
>
> <grin>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:56 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
>
>
> > What is that "something" that is no big deal?
> Copy the DLL to the machine (by convention winnt\system32, but you can put
> it anywhere you want) and regsvr32 <DLL Path>.  You can do this from a
> command line, or in a batch file (in which case I would use the /s switch
> with regsvr32 to supress the confirmation msgbox).
> Alternatively, you can use the setup.exe that comes with the
> Redemption DLL
> to install it.
> Either way, no big deal.
>
> >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that turns it on. (A2K)
> Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious VBScript
> code from
> propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your clients not to
> install security patches so your email code will work?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:14 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
>
>
> >What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?
>
> The big issue is I don't use an installer, nor a runtime.  Thus I
> have to do
> "something" (unexplained) to get it installed on that machine.
> What is that
> "something" that is no big deal?
>
> >If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the
> security dialog?
>
> I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that turns it on. (A2K)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:39 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
>
>
> OK, I give up.
> What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?
>
> And a better question:
> If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the
> security dialog?
> Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed us:
> "The email
> warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be bypassed"  Uh huh...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
> runningononemachine? XPosted
>
>
> Stuart,
>
> The same reason I don't use it.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
> ononemachine? XPosted
>
>
> I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
> for email currently, but don't use automation.
>
> I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/
>
> Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
> which needs to be installed on systems.
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
> > Colby
> > Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
> > running onone machine? XPosted
> >
> >
> > I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
> >
> > I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks
>
> > outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email
> > sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> > install it on my
> > dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> > happy to have to
> > do that!
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov 20 22:59:24 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:59:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <005701c3afe5$6d8d8a70$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
References: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE15B@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <3FBE284C.17027.B06CF@localhost>

On 21 Nov 2003 at 12:10, Stuart Sanders wrote:

> 
> OK a separate question from me.  What do YOU do when a client refuses to use
> Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express because of security concerns? 

Personally, I say "Congratulations - that's a very sensible attitude" 
and then use Simple MAPI,  BLAT or one of my "self-rolled" solutions 
often  a *real* dll built in PowerBasic. Real dlls don't need 
registering.
 

 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov 20 23:07:06 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:07:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEFPFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <3FBDE9A0.16070.BC492@localhost>
Message-ID: <3FBE2A1A.16609.121514@localhost>

On 20 Nov 2003 at 20:40, John W. Colby wrote:

> Stuart,
> 
> I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The unfortunate
> reality is that there are millions of machines out there used by individuals
> in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run virus checkers.
> THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that they only screw
> up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has no place in a
> business where they should be running AV software.
> 

Which brings us on to another question, prompted recently by a 
client.

What is your option on running anti-virus software on network 
servers?
(Assuming that you do run on-access scanning software on the 
workstations)

Note: 
X-posted to <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Thu Nov 20 23:24:25 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:24:25 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel input range
Message-ID: <000a01c3afef$bacdcd40$6401a8c0@user>

After a long day battling my way through this Excel development I am signing off for now but in case any Excel gurus have the time, could you answer this:

On an Excel s/sheet I have 3 combos (created with the form control). I have nominated an input range for each (on a separate sheet). Depending on the choice the user makes in Combo 1 and Combo 2, I need to modify the range for Combo 3. What's the best way in Excel? I see on lots of internet samples that quite often people set up range after range of values and nominate one or the other as the appropriate range when the combos change, but surely there is a more efficient way??

I have fairly simple rules from the client and I think that I should be able to set up a grid /range of cells which hold my criteria. I can post sample data if anyone thinks they can help.

Thanks everyone - and apologies for the Excel posts (I am also posting to Excel sites but no luck yet). Have a great w/end.


Kath Pelletti
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Fri Nov 21 00:24:48 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:24:48 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <3FBDE9A0.16070.BC492@localhost>
Message-ID: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuWkLYAA@pacific.net.hk>


The Outlook security patch is a half-assed reaction to what was at the time a
big press issue.  With repeated massive virus attacks crippling mail servers
world wide, they had to appear do something for public image and if it helped
lessen the problem all the better.  This was quick and dirty and since it was
done, it stuck, but at least in later office versions you could uncripple
outlook for certain things.  Why is it half assed?

1. It is indiscriminate and broke a lot of existing and widely used applications
that hooked into outlook.  Remember that Office and vba is supposed to be all
about flexibility developing solutions.  They broke that big time.

2. It isn't about fixing security vulnerabilites.  MS has had plenty of security
vulnerabilites and they fix those with minor patches, not wholesale surgery on
applications.  The patch doesn't stop you receiving viruses, or running them, or
them sending mail out simple inbuilt smtp engines which most successful trojans
have had for years.  By and large viruses/trojan in this day and age do not use
security vulnerabilities as their primary means of infection.

3. And this is the kicker for me.  If redemption bypasses security by using
extended mapi, how long will it really be before some virus/trojan writer uses
extended mapi to access the address book.  Remember the majority of viruses
these days are trojans not scripts.  They don't use security vulnerabilites to
spread and infect, they use social engineering to trick people into thinking
they are from people they know.

So should I now spend US$200 on a control that may well be crippled sometime
soon as MS uses the same half baked strategy again.  If they are going to close
access to the address book why not close it the first time, and not leave a back
door that will spawn another generation of super spreading viruses? 

It it worth trying to bypass Outlook security?  If I can bypass it with a simple
control, so any decent virus writer with half a brain can build the same into
his newest attack.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, 21 November, 2003 8:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
> 
> 
> On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:
> 
> > 
> > >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that 
> turns it on. (A2K)
> > Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious 
> VBScript code from
> > propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your 
> clients not to
> > install security patches so your email code will work?
> > 
> > 
> I'm with JC 100% on this one.
> 
> The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting 
> machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's 
> not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.
> 
> It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess 
> communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite 
> paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which 
> has the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing 
> applications.  
> 
> Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
> (At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email 
> programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about 
> it at all <VBG>)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Nov 21 01:39:18 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:39:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
References: <3FBDE9A0.16070.BC492@localhost> <3FBE2A1A.16609.121514@localhost>
Message-ID: <3FBDC126.5010004@shaw.ca>

Depends on what file extensions are scanned on a network server. I keep 
a special stick to poke network guys who insist on scanning ldb and mdb 
file types among others. Scanning a 300MB file on-access can bring 
things to a grinding halt.

Stuart McLachlan wrote:

>On 20 Nov 2003 at 20:40, John W. Colby wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Stuart,
>>
>>I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The unfortunate
>>reality is that there are millions of machines out there used by individuals
>>in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run virus checkers.
>>THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that they only screw
>>up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has no place in a
>>business where they should be running AV software.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Which brings us on to another question, prompted recently by a 
>client.
>
>What is your option on running anti-virus software on network 
>servers?
>(Assuming that you do run on-access scanning software on the 
>workstations)
>
>Note: 
>X-posted to <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>All follow ups to that list only. Please!
>
>
> 
> 
>  
>

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Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Fri Nov 21 02:35:25 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:35:25 +0100
Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A0805BA@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

hi Kath,

is the control on an excel worksheet or are u using
a userform?

alun

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
Pelletti
Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 00:38
An: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Betreff: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


Can anyone tell me how to refer to a form control in Excel (in this case a combo box) so that I can read its contents into a variable in vba?

Urgent.
TIA


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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Fri Nov 21 02:46:24 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:46:24 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control
References: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A0805BA@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <000b01c3b00b$f23a9440$6401a8c0@user>

Hi Alan - it's just on the worksheet.
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Garraway, Alun 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:35 PM
  Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  hi Kath,

  is the control on an excel worksheet or are u using
  a userform?

  alun

  -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
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  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
  Pelletti
  Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 00:38
  An: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Betreff: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  Can anyone tell me how to refer to a form control in Excel (in this case a combo box) so that I can read its contents into a variable in vba?

  Urgent.
  TIA


  Kath Pelletti
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Nov 21 02:54:11 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:54:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
	ononemachine? XPosted
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEDA@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Aha,

Stuart, I hereby wish to officialy declare you as the first ever serious
developer using Access as a development platform.

(This until someone else shows up claiming this title :-)

Erwin

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted

On 20 Nov 2003 at 15:54, Erwin Craps wrote:

> A2.0 Oh my god...
> 
> I wonder if anyone has 2.0, 95, 97, 2K, 2K2, 2K3 on the same desktop.
> 
> No real apps where developed in 1,0 ot 1,1 so that should really not 
> exists anymore...
> 

Exsqueese me. I built a "real app"  in 1.1 in 1993 :-) My first foray
into Access after quite a few years of Dataflex - what a mind bender :-)

 
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Nov 21 03:04:22 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:04:22 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEDC@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Action pack is not solely to sales and marketing, but apart from the OS software it also includes demo's and sales/marketing tools.
It's ment for the typical dealer/reseller/network integrator and not for the developer.

Does the MSDN includes OS software like Exchange server, Isa Server, SQL server, Small Business server etc?

I believe MSDN is more expensive too?


Erwin 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack

Steve,

<<If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious. MSDN Universal includes everything. Why would you want the Action Pack?>>

  As I said, the Action Pack is geared towards marketing and sales.  It's a different focus.  The only reason software is in there is to help you explore new areas of technology.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack


Jim,

>> I've been on it a little over two years. ?I have a MSDN Universal
subscription as well. <<

If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious. MSDN Universal includes everything. Why would you want the Action Pack?

>> And to answer your question, no because technically your not buying 
>> the
Developers Edition and the license to distribute.  Could you?  Yes.  What Microsoft care?  Probably not. <<

Thanks for the interp.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From pedro at plex.nl  Fri Nov 21 10:05:54 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:05:54 (MET)
Subject: [AccessD] 
Message-ID: <200311210905.hAL95sEU029814@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hello group,

i want to make adress-labels for 1 single adress. In our hospital we use sheets of labels. Is there a way on a form when i have selected one user, to give the position on the report, where the adress on the label must be printed.

for example

i have a labelsheet with 6 labels. Can i make command buttons an click on the third commandbutton, so that the adress is placed on the position of label3 

"labelsheet"

 cmd1   cmd2   cmd3
 
 cmd4   cmd5   cmd6 


TIA

Pedro Janssen


From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Fri Nov 21 03:10:28 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:10:28 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEDC@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <007301c3b00f$4f7791a0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Erwin is correct :)

The official blurb from Microsoft on my local MS site is:

"The Microsoft Action Pack Subscription is restricted to resellers, consultants,
value-added resellers, value-added providers, system integrators, developers,
system builders, hosts, service providers, and IT professionals who sell
Microsoft products or provide solutions based on Microsoft products and
technologies to third-party customers."

See ... They do include developers there :)

But alas, as someone pointed out it doesn't come with the developers edition of
office.  That said, it is still a very good price, and I am on my 2nd year of
using it.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
> Sent: Friday, 21 November, 2003 5:04 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
>
>
> Action pack is not solely to sales and marketing, but apart
> from the OS software it also includes demo's and
> sales/marketing tools.
> It's ment for the typical dealer/reseller/network integrator
> and not for the developer.
>
> Does the MSDN includes OS software like Exchange server, Isa
> Server, SQL server, Small Business server etc?
>
> I believe MSDN is more expensive too?
>
>
> Erwin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
>
> Steve,
>
> <<If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious.
> MSDN Universal includes everything. Why would you want the
> Action Pack?>>
>
>   As I said, the Action Pack is geared towards marketing and
> sales.  It's a different focus.  The only reason software is
> in there is to help you explore new areas of technology.
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
> Erbach
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
>
>
> Jim,
>
> >> I've been on it a little over two years. ?I have a MSDN Universal
> subscription as well. <<
>
> If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious.
> MSDN Universal includes everything. Why would you want the
> Action Pack?
>
> >> And to answer your question, no because technically your
> not buying
> >> the
> Developers Edition and the license to distribute.  Could you?
>  Yes.  What Microsoft care?  Probably not. <<
>
> Thanks for the interp.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Scientific Marketing
> Neenah, WI
>
> Disclaimer: No tree was killed in the transmission of this
> message. However, several coulombs of electrons were
> temporarily inconvenienced.
>
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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Fri Nov 21 03:06:36 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:06:36 +0100
Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059DDF@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

ok

create a modul and declare a public variable.

then for the combo on change event
try this:

Private Sub cboSheet1_Change()
    
    myVar = Me.cboSheet1.Value
    
End Sub

note: cboSheet1 is the name of my combobox
and MyVar is the public variable in the modul
hth
alun


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
Pelletti
Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 09:46
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


Hi Alan - it's just on the worksheet.
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Garraway, Alun 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:35 PM
  Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  hi Kath,

  is the control on an excel worksheet or are u using
  a userform?

  alun

  -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
  Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
  Pelletti
  Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 00:38
  An: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Betreff: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  Can anyone tell me how to refer to a form control in Excel (in this case a combo box) so that I can read its contents into a variable in vba?

  Urgent.
  TIA


  Kath Pelletti
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
  sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From pedro at plex.nl  Fri Nov 21 10:58:34 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:58:34 (MET)
Subject: [AccessD] single label;     was subject "blank"
Message-ID: <200311210958.hAL9wYEU002289@mailhostC.plex.net>

Sorry i forgot the subject



> Hello group,
> 
> i want to make adress-labels for 1 single adress. In our hospital we use sheets of labels. Is there a way on a form when i have selected one user, to give the position on the report, where the adress on the label must be printed.
> 
> for example
> 
> i have a labelsheet with 6 labels. Can i make command buttons an click on the third commandbutton, so that the adress is placed on the position of label3 
> 
> "labelsheet"
> 
>  cmd1   cmd2   cmd3
>  
>  cmd4   cmd5   cmd6 
> 
> 
> TIA
> 
> Pedro Janssen
> 
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> 
> 

From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 21 04:13:07 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:13:07 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Infopath and One Note
In-Reply-To: <3FBD24E0.3030004@shaw.ca>
References: <20031120080111.64718.qmail@web60204.mail.yahoo.com>
 <000901c3af43$e615e4d0$9111758f@aine> <1032127787.20031120175014@cactus.dk>
 <3FBD24E0.3030004@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1027776982.20031121111307@cactus.dk>

Thanks Marty, I will study these links closer.

/gustav


> Where this is leading, I am not sure but here are some things, you can 
> do with InfoPath.

> ---------
> Here is one way of getting speed out of xml files try using with InfoPath
> If the methods are followed you may get a retrieval time 10 times that 
> of SQL

> Creating an In-Memory Database Using XML and XPath -- Part 2
 
> http://www.15seconds.com/Issue/010410.htm?voteresult=5
> ----------

> downloaded the InfoPath SDK, and try to use the ADO sample form and 
> access database that MS has provided.
> However, one caveat that messed me up
> If you search inside manifest.xsf you will see that the reference to 
> Infnwind.mdb is relative. So the published form template expects to find 
> Infnwind.mdb in the same directory as you published the form template 
> to. But the Access database isn't there. If you copy it there your 
> problem should be solved. Copy Infnwind.mdb to the shared folder.

> InfoPath SDK

> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616-93aa-4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en

> ---
>  Try viewing the .xsn or .mht file in IE.
> -------
> You should be able to access web services from InfoPath.
> -------


From Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com  Fri Nov 21 04:34:53 2003
From: Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com (Pain, T. (Tim))
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:34:53 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] 
Message-ID: <0BB2DFBAEF484F4AA077B46F1B165FE6AAD358@lbrn12.d20.intra>

Have a look at http://www.peterssoftware.com/ls.htm

Tim 


-----Original Message-----
From: pedro at plex.nl [mailto:pedro at plex.nl] 
Sent: 21 November 2003 10:06
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] 


Hello group,

i want to make adress-labels for 1 single adress. In our hospital we use
sheets of labels. Is there a way on a form when i have selected one
user, to give the position on the report, where the adress on the label
must be printed.

for example

i have a labelsheet with 6 labels. Can i make command buttons an click
on the third commandbutton, so that the adress is placed on the position
of label3 

"labelsheet"

 cmd1   cmd2   cmd3
 
 cmd4   cmd5   cmd6 


TIA

Pedro Janssen

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Nov 21 04:47:22 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:47:22 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]
Message-ID: <20031121114719.11FD925EE7E@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

A dead simple way that I use is to set up a temporary table with an
Autonumber key, set the Label report's recordsource to the temp table sorted
on the Autonumber, then when the user selects the starting position I write
the appropriate number of blank records (one less than starting pos) to the
temp table before writing the required address.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD]
Date: 21/11/03 10:41


Have a look at http://www.peterssoftware.com/ls.htm

Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: pedro at plex.nl [mailto:pedro at plex.nl]
Sent: 21 November 2003 10:06
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD]


Hello group,

i want to make adress-labels for 1 single adress. In our hospital we use
sheets of labels. Is there a way on a form when i have selected one
user, to give the position on the report, where the adress on the label
must be printed.

for example

i have a labelsheet with 6 labels. Can i make command buttons an click
on the third commandbutton, so that the adress is placed on the position
of label3

"labelsheet"

cmd1 cmd2 cmd3

cmd4 cmd5 cmd6


TIA

Pedro Janssen

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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Fri Nov 21 06:35:31 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:35:31 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control
References: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059DDF@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <000d01c3b02b$f3981ae0$6401a8c0@user>

Thanks Alan - but the combo box (I used the one from the forms toolbar) does not appear to have a name property or an on change event. You can attach a macro (and therefore an event) to it but that's it - I can't find a way to refer back to that control name in the code.

Maybe you are referring to the combo control from the Control Toolbox toolbar? I was reluctant to use that because I think I read that it would require registration on distribution??

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Garraway, Alun 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:06 PM
  Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  ok

  create a modul and declare a public variable.

  then for the combo on change event
  try this:

  Private Sub cboSheet1_Change()
      
      myVar = Me.cboSheet1.Value
      
  End Sub

  note: cboSheet1 is the name of my combobox
  and MyVar is the public variable in the modul
  hth
  alun


  -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
  Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
  Pelletti
  Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 09:46
  An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Betreff: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  Hi Alan - it's just on the worksheet.
  Kath
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Garraway, Alun 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:35 PM
    Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


    hi Kath,

    is the control on an excel worksheet or are u using
    a userform?

    alun

    -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
    Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
    Pelletti
    Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 00:38
    An: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    Betreff: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


    Can anyone tell me how to refer to a form control in Excel (in this case a combo box) so that I can read its contents into a variable in vba?

    Urgent.
    TIA


    Kath Pelletti
    Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
    Ph: 9505-6714
    Fax: 9505-6430
    sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
    _______________________________________________
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Fri Nov 21 06:52:56 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:52:56 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] 
References: <200311210905.hAL95sEU029814@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <002101c3b02e$62ded220$6401a8c0@user>

Hi Pedro - I had a very similar situation last year. My client was using a page of labels with 2 columns, 10 labels per column.

The code below prompts the user for a label no and they enter the no. of the label they want to use, ie. 1 for 10 would print in the first column, and 11-20 print in the second column. Then by adjusting the height of the report header (section1) you can push the data down to the right place.

It's a while since I wrote this and it looks like I had to create 2 reports to cater for the second column - the second report has a left margin of 11 cms.

The code does force you to open the report in design mode to adjust the report header height, so you would have to distrubute as an mdb, not mde. But it works really well.

HTH: code below - watch the wrap.
Kath

--------------------------------------
Private Sub PrintLabel_Click()
Dim strerrormsg As String
On Error GoTo Err_Handler
Dim IntLabelNo As Integer, strMsg As String, Rptname As String
Dim IntRptheight As Integer
If Me.Dirty Then
    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord
End If
Rptname = "RptClientLabel"

'Each cm is 567 twips in measurement
    strMsg = "Enter label no (from 1 to 10 for first column, and 10 to 20 for second column):"
    IntLabelNo = InputBox(Prompt:=strMsg, _
        Title:="Client Labels", XPos:=2000, YPos:=2000)
    If IsNull(IntLabelNo) Or IntLabelNo = 0 Then
        MsgBox ("No label no selected"), vbOKOnly, "Reports"
        GoTo Normal_exit
    End If
    
    If IntLabelNo < 1 Or IntLabelNo > 20 Then
        MsgBox ("Label number can be from 1 to 20"), vbOKOnly, "Reports"
        GoTo Normal_exit
    End If
    If IntLabelNo > 10 Then
        Rptname = "RptClientLabelColumn2"
        'push data to 2nd column
        IntLabelNo = IntLabelNo - 10    '11 become position 1, 12 becomes pos 2 etc.
    End If

    If IntLabelNo = 1 Then
        IntRptheight = 800
    ElseIf IntLabelNo > 1 Then
        IntRptheight = ((IntLabelNo * 567) * 2.54) - 567
    End If
    
    Application.Echo False
    
    If Rptname = "RptClientLabelColumn2" Then
        DoCmd.OpenReport "RptClientLabelColumn2", acViewDesign
        DoCmd.SelectObject acReport, "RptClientLabelColumn2"
        Reports!RptClientLabelColumn2.Section(1).Height = IntRptheight
        DoCmd.Save acReport, "RptClientLabelColumn2"
        DoCmd.close
        Application.Echo True
        DoCmd.OpenReport "RptClientLabelColumn2", acViewPreview, [ClientID] = Me.ClientID
    Else
        DoCmd.OpenReport "RptClientLabel", acViewDesign
        DoCmd.SelectObject acReport, "RptClientLabel"
        Reports!RptClientLabel.Section(1).Height = IntRptheight
        DoCmd.Save acReport, "RptClientLabel"
        DoCmd.close
        Application.Echo True
        DoCmd.OpenReport "Rptclientlabel", acViewPreview, [ClientID] = Me.ClientID
    End If
    
    
Normal_exit:
    Application.Echo True
    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
    Exit Sub

Err_Handler:
    Select Case Err.Number
        Case 13
        Resume Normal_exit
    Case Else
        MsgBox "Error: [" & Err.Number & "]  " & IIf(Len(strerrormsg) > 0, strerrormsg, Err.Description), vbCritical, "Error Message"
        Resume Normal_exit
    End Select
End Sub
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: pedro at plex.nl 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:05 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] 


  Hello group,

  i want to make adress-labels for 1 single adress. In our hospital we use sheets of labels. Is there a way on a form when i have selected one user, to give the position on the report, where the adress on the label must be printed.

  for example

  i have a labelsheet with 6 labels. Can i make command buttons an click on the third commandbutton, so that the adress is placed on the position of label3 

  "labelsheet"

   cmd1   cmd2   cmd3
   
   cmd4   cmd5   cmd6 


  TIA

  Pedro Janssen

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  Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Nov 21 07:28:13 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 05:28:13 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change Default Printer
Message-ID: <003101c3b033$50aa8900$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

I'm using the Print To Picture thingy to print reports to a PCX file so they can be dropped into a manual. Works pretty good.  

But one of my reports got it's default printer switched from the printer everything else goes to (a networked laser) to this 'print to picture' which is installed as a printer.

Does anyone know how to change this back so that when I hit ctrl-P in the preview mode the printer dialog box comes up with the printer I want?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Nov 21 07:56:06 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 05:56:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change Default Printer
References: <003101c3b033$50aa8900$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <003701c3b037$35fdef30$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Never mind.  It was simple. Just change the printer and save.  Don't know
why this had me so baffled last night.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 5:28 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Change Default Printer


Dear List:

I'm using the Print To Picture thingy to print reports to a PCX file so they
can be dropped into a manual. Works pretty good.

But one of my reports got it's default printer switched from the printer
everything else goes to (a networked laser) to this 'print to picture' which
is installed as a printer.

Does anyone know how to change this back so that when I hit ctrl-P in the
preview mode the printer dialog box comes up with the printer I want?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 21 08:13:48 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:13:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Change Default Printer
Message-ID: <BAY2-F519Sp2WEnKS7v00001b0c@hotmail.com>

Because you worked too long.  You need more breaks. ;-)

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change Default Printer
>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 05:56:06 -0800
>
>Never mind.  It was simple. Just change the printer and save.  Don't know
>why this had me so baffled last night.
>
>Rocky
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 5:28 AM
>Subject: [AccessD] Change Default Printer
>
>
>Dear List:
>
>I'm using the Print To Picture thingy to print reports to a PCX file so 
>they
>can be dropped into a manual. Works pretty good.
>
>But one of my reports got it's default printer switched from the printer
>everything else goes to (a networked laser) to this 'print to picture' 
>which
>is installed as a printer.
>
>Does anyone know how to change this back so that when I hit ctrl-P in the
>preview mode the printer dialog box comes up with the printer I want?
>
>MTIA,
>
>Rocky Smolin
>Beach Access Software

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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Nov 21 09:31:39 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:31:39 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
In-Reply-To: <3FBDC126.5010004@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEEEJENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Oh, yes, there always have to have some people that overdo everything,
beside scanning .mdb how about not allowing .zip extensions in email?! Then
of course you have people who resort to changing the file extension on your
zipped files to .txt and instructing the person on other end to change it
back. That's good covenient security.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:39 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
>
>
> Depends on what file extensions are scanned on a network server. I keep
> a special stick to poke network guys who insist on scanning ldb and mdb
> file types among others. Scanning a 300MB file on-access can bring
> things to a grinding halt.
>
> Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>
> >On 20 Nov 2003 at 20:40, John W. Colby wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Stuart,
> >>
> >>I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The unfortunate
> >>reality is that there are millions of machines out there used
> by individuals
> >>in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run
> virus checkers.
> >>THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that
> they only screw
> >>up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has
> no place in a
> >>business where they should be running AV software.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Which brings us on to another question, prompted recently by a
> >client.
> >
> >What is your option on running anti-virus software on network
> >servers?
> >(Assuming that you do run on-access scanning software on the
> >workstations)
> >
> >Note:
> >X-posted to <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> >All follow ups to that list only. Please!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Nov 21 09:39:49 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:39:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEDC@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEEJENAA.john@winhaven.net>

MSDN is expensive and it does include everything you've mentioned below.

I've never subscribed to the MS Action Pack but what you get with MSDN
depends on the subscription level. I do believe with Universal you recieve
everything MS churns out (other than games). I know I nearly had to hire an
"MSDN librarian" to keep it all straight!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:04 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
>
>
> Action pack is not solely to sales and marketing, but apart from
> the OS software it also includes demo's and sales/marketing tools.
> It's ment for the typical dealer/reseller/network integrator and
> not for the developer.
>
> Does the MSDN includes OS software like Exchange server, Isa
> Server, SQL server, Small Business server etc?
>
> I believe MSDN is more expensive too?
>
>
> Erwin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
>
> Steve,
>
> <<If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious. MSDN
> Universal includes everything. Why would you want the Action Pack?>>
>
>   As I said, the Action Pack is geared towards marketing and
> sales.  It's a different focus.  The only reason software is in
> there is to help you explore new areas of technology.
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
> Erbach
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
>
>
> Jim,
>
> >> I've been on it a little over two years. ?I have a MSDN Universal
> subscription as well. <<
>
> If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious. MSDN
> Universal includes everything. Why would you want the Action Pack?
>
> >> And to answer your question, no because technically your not buying
> >> the
> Developers Edition and the license to distribute.  Could you?
> Yes.  What Microsoft care?  Probably not. <<
>
> Thanks for the interp.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Scientific Marketing
> Neenah, WI
>
> Disclaimer: No tree was killed in the transmission of this
> message. However, several coulombs of electrons were temporarily
> inconvenienced.
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Nov 21 09:45:45 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:45:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 install
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99022B0978@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

List, 

I'm putting together an install for an app that will retrieve data from FoxPro, an mdb, and an Excel sheet.  Will including ADO 2.6 in my install automatically install the OLEDB drivers for all of these or do I need to include MDAC as part of the install?  Using InstallShield 4.0.

TIA,

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Nov 21 09:48:47 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:48:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] single label;     was subject "blank"
References: <200311210958.hAL9wYEU002289@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <005001c3b046$f90bdf50$210110ac@SUSANONE>

You want to start printing labels or just one label at a specific label on
the sheet of labels -- is that what you're asking? You say "the position on
the report" so I'm not sure if I understand the exact problem.

Susan H.

> Sorry i forgot the subject
>
>
>
> > Hello group,
> >
> > i want to make adress-labels for 1 single adress. In our hospital we use
sheets of labels. Is there a way on a form when i have selected one user, to
give the position on the report, where the adress on the label must be
printed.
> >
> > for example
> >
> > i have a labelsheet with 6 labels. Can i make command buttons an click
on the third commandbutton, so that the adress is placed on the position of
label3
> >
> > "labelsheet"
> >
> >  cmd1   cmd2   cmd3
> >
> >  cmd4   cmd5   cmd6
> >
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Pedro Janssen
> >
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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 21 10:02:25 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:02:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] IE 5.5 download
Message-ID: <Sea2-F52YHZj4IhTdHK00004e21@hotmail.com>

Thank you Thank you.  Seems 5.5 and up are the only versions that work with 
the new Alberta govt registry software.  I was real concerned about having 
to upgrade all the Win 95 boxes to Win 98 because the big drives are 1.6 
gigs and a few of the machines didin't have space for the size difference 
between 95 and 98 and I didn't want to be upgrading all the drives, even if 
40 gig dirives are only about $50.00, I didn't want to have to look into 
bios upgrades and physically dismantling the machines.  And then getting 
drivers for all the old hardware.  At least we have high speed access and 
the LAN is good.  This will be far less painful.  Thank you Thank you.

Hen


>From: MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] IE 5.5 download
>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:32:02 -0800
>
>From the help desk at U Victoria , it says Win95 works with IE5.5SP2
>They only have the download installers which no longer work
>but the help desk  directs you to another site that has the downloads
>from IE 1.0 to IE 5.5 SP2 thru IE 6.0 and there is a SDK as well
>You may need IE 4 for Win 3.11 not sure
>Bit of a large download 84 Meg
>http://browsers.evolt.org/?ie/32bit
>
>
>
>Henry Simpson wrote:
>
>>IE 5.5 is no longer available from Microsoft as a download yet I have a 
>>client in the position of it becoming a minimum system requirement to 
>>access a new government registry formerly only accessible with Netscape.  
>>Regrettably the client boxes run Win 3.11 and Win 95 and neither OS meets 
>>the IE 6 minimum of Win 98.  It seems there is a limitless supply of throw 
>>away computers and Win 95 licenses that will forever meet the client's 
>>needs and taste for Word Perfect 5.
>>
>>The Win 95 machines currently run IE 5.00.2314.1003 and I'm curious 
>>whether 5.5 can run on a 95 box and if there is any where a version can be 
>>obtained.  The registries will cease hosting the version that supports 
>>Netscape as of December 1, 2003.
>>
>>By the way, the machines are rock, ok - sandstone, solid, provided I don't 
>>run Word, WordPerfect, Netscape and IE concurrently (Netscape tends to 
>>crash when all are loaded at once) and although there are obvious memory 
>>leaks in the OS (if the primary peer server isn't rebooted every 3 days, 
>>resources go below 30% and worse after a Netscape crash, so it is rebooted 
>>every morning).  The Win 95 machines run an Access 2K FE and the Win 3 
>>machines use Access 2.  The fastest machine here runs a 233 AMD chip with 
>>64 megs.  I'm almost shocked at how well it all works.
>>
>>Hen
>>
>>
>
>--
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>Canada

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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Fri Nov 21 09:52:04 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:52:04 +0100
Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A0805BB@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

hi Kath

I've now tried both types of comboboxs, no problems with loading
data or passing value/text to variable. both have the change event.

remember in excel each sheet is like a "module" that means if you have
a combobox on sheet1 you have to go to the ide and select "Sheet1"
in the project explorer, then select the object from the objectlist,
with the combobox the change event is standard.
then you can use var = me.combobox1.value ( or .text) example i sent u.

if you want to get the value/text of the combobox from a module
then you need something like this:

Sub getit()
    Dim v As Variant
    Dim o As ComboBox
    
    Set o = ActiveWorkbook.Sheets(1).cbo2
    
    v = o.Value
    Debug.Print v
    
End Sub


hth
alun

btw regarding your other problem the only solution i know is, as you
said, to use different ranges depending on the selection.


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
Pelletti
Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 13:36
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


Thanks Alan - but the combo box (I used the one from the forms toolbar) does not appear to have a name property or an on change event. You can attach a macro (and therefore an event) to it but that's it - I can't find a way to refer back to that control name in the code.

Maybe you are referring to the combo control from the Control Toolbox toolbar? I was reluctant to use that because I think I read that it would require registration on distribution??

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Garraway, Alun 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:06 PM
  Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  ok

  create a modul and declare a public variable.

  then for the combo on change event
  try this:

  Private Sub cboSheet1_Change()
      
      myVar = Me.cboSheet1.Value
      
  End Sub

  note: cboSheet1 is the name of my combobox
  and MyVar is the public variable in the modul
  hth
  alun


  -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
  Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
  Pelletti
  Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 09:46
  An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Betreff: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  Hi Alan - it's just on the worksheet.
  Kath
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Garraway, Alun 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:35 PM
    Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


    hi Kath,

    is the control on an excel worksheet or are u using
    a userform?

    alun

    -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
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    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
    Pelletti
    Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 00:38
    An: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    Betreff: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


    Can anyone tell me how to refer to a form control in Excel (in this case a combo box) so that I can read its contents into a variable in vba?

    Urgent.
    TIA


    Kath Pelletti
    Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
    Ph: 9505-6714
    Fax: 9505-6430
    sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Nov 21 10:26:17 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:26:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 install
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F8F6@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Forget this.  It looks like IS handled MDAC and related OLEDB drivers.

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco 
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:46 AM
To: AccessD (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 install


List, 

I'm putting together an install for an app that will retrieve data from FoxPro, an mdb, and an Excel sheet.  Will including ADO 2.6 in my install automatically install the OLEDB drivers for all of these or do I need to include MDAC as part of the install?  Using InstallShield 4.0.

TIA,

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan
Tarrytown, NY




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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Nov 21 10:29:47 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:29:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312476@infoserver01.infostat.local>

This thread seems to be degenerating into Microsoft bashing and rant,
but let me clarify something.  The Redemption dll is NOT a control.  It
is a library that you call into, a wrapper for Extended MAPI calls.
Feel free to write your own ... Or to use a different email application
... Or to use SMTP instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...



The Outlook security patch is a half-assed reaction to what was at the
time a big press issue.  With repeated massive virus attacks crippling
mail servers world wide, they had to appear do something for public
image and if it helped lessen the problem all the better.  This was
quick and dirty and since it was done, it stuck, but at least in later
office versions you could uncripple outlook for certain things.  Why is
it half assed?

1. It is indiscriminate and broke a lot of existing and widely used
applications that hooked into outlook.  Remember that Office and vba is
supposed to be all about flexibility developing solutions.  They broke
that big time.

2. It isn't about fixing security vulnerabilites.  MS has had plenty of
security vulnerabilites and they fix those with minor patches, not
wholesale surgery on applications.  The patch doesn't stop you receiving
viruses, or running them, or them sending mail out simple inbuilt smtp
engines which most successful trojans have had for years.  By and large
viruses/trojan in this day and age do not use security vulnerabilities
as their primary means of infection.

3. And this is the kicker for me.  If redemption bypasses security by
using extended mapi, how long will it really be before some virus/trojan
writer uses extended mapi to access the address book.  Remember the
majority of viruses these days are trojans not scripts.  They don't use
security vulnerabilites to spread and infect, they use social
engineering to trick people into thinking they are from people they
know.

So should I now spend US$200 on a control that may well be crippled
sometime soon as MS uses the same half baked strategy again.  If they
are going to close access to the address book why not close it the first
time, and not leave a back door that will spawn another generation of
super spreading viruses? 

It it worth trying to bypass Outlook security?  If I can bypass it with
a simple control, so any decent virus writer with half a brain can build
the same into his newest attack.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, 21 November, 2003 8:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
> 
> 
> On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:
> 
> > 
> > >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that
> turns it on. (A2K)
> > Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious
> VBScript code from
> > propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your
> clients not to
> > install security patches so your email code will work?
> > 
> > 
> I'm with JC 100% on this one.
> 
> The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting
> machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's 
> not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.
> 
> It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess
> communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite 
> paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which 
> has the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing 
> applications.  
> 
> Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
> (At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email
> programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about 
> it at all <VBG>)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Nov 21 11:04:16 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:04:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 install
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99022B0978@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <3FBE4590.8050704@shaw.ca>

Some OS have a basic install of MDAC ie. WinXP has MDAC 2.7

To quote.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=8e5f816c-4918-4250-b8bd-3794582c9089&DisplayLang=en
 "The MDAC 2.6 SP2 redistributable installer installs the same Data 
Access core components as Microsoft SQL Server 2000 SP2. This release 
does not include Microsoft Jet, the Microsoft Jet OLE DB Provider, the 
Desktop Database Drivers ODBC Driver, or the Visual FoxPro ODBC Driver."

MDAC 2.6 was last one, able  to be installed on Win95.

To get these drivers I think you need MDAC 2.5 SP 3.  This MDAC comes 
with Win 2000 SP-3.

MDAC 2.5 SP-3 was last MDAC to contain total Jet 4.0 Install
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c57692e9-dde7-4a60-b586-5d4fd6794db6&DisplayLang=en
Here is manifest list for MDAC 2.5 SP3
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/support/servicepacks/MDAC/2.5/SP3manifest.asp

Just for interest sakes MDAC 2.0 was last one that installed Jet 3.0 or 
was it 3.5, but it is no longer available.
You can still install it via Access 97 or VB6.

There are some bugs with FoxPro Drivers that were fixed in Jet SP 5 or 6 
that might affect you.
So you would need Jet SP 7 or SP 8 upgrade depending on the OS

If you want to get really carried away MDAC 2.8 has just been released.
This handles a lot of security changes , you may have to modify security 
in IE if calling ado from there or
if you have a space in a database name put within brackets.

A lot of the gory details are at
http://www.microsoft.com/data

Jim DeMarco wrote:

>List, 
>
>I'm putting together an install for an app that will retrieve data from FoxPro, an mdb, and an Excel sheet.  Will including ADO 2.6 in my install automatically install the OLEDB drivers for all of these or do I need to include MDAC as part of the install?  Using InstallShield 4.0.
>
>TIA,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>Director Product Development
>Hudson Health Plan
>Tarrytown, NY
>
>
>
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Nov 21 11:14:55 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:14:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 install
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F8F8@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Thanks Marty.

Jim D

-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 install


Some OS have a basic install of MDAC ie. WinXP has MDAC 2.7

To quote.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=8e5f816c-4918-4250-b8bd-3794582c9089&DisplayLang=en
 "The MDAC 2.6 SP2 redistributable installer installs the same Data 
Access core components as Microsoft SQL Server 2000 SP2. This release 
does not include Microsoft Jet, the Microsoft Jet OLE DB Provider, the 
Desktop Database Drivers ODBC Driver, or the Visual FoxPro ODBC Driver."

MDAC 2.6 was last one, able  to be installed on Win95.

To get these drivers I think you need MDAC 2.5 SP 3.  This MDAC comes 
with Win 2000 SP-3.

MDAC 2.5 SP-3 was last MDAC to contain total Jet 4.0 Install
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c57692e9-dde7-4a60-b586-5d4fd6794db6&DisplayLang=en
Here is manifest list for MDAC 2.5 SP3
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/support/servicepacks/MDAC/2.5/SP3manifest.asp

Just for interest sakes MDAC 2.0 was last one that installed Jet 3.0 or 
was it 3.5, but it is no longer available.
You can still install it via Access 97 or VB6.

There are some bugs with FoxPro Drivers that were fixed in Jet SP 5 or 6 
that might affect you.
So you would need Jet SP 7 or SP 8 upgrade depending on the OS

If you want to get really carried away MDAC 2.8 has just been released.
This handles a lot of security changes , you may have to modify security 
in IE if calling ado from there or
if you have a space in a database name put within brackets.

A lot of the gory details are at
http://www.microsoft.com/data

Jim DeMarco wrote:

>List, 
>
>I'm putting together an install for an app that will retrieve data from FoxPro, an mdb, and an Excel sheet.  Will including ADO 2.6 in my install automatically install the OLEDB drivers for all of these or do I need to include MDAC as part of the install?  Using InstallShield 4.0.
>
>TIA,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>Director Product Development
>Hudson Health Plan
>Tarrytown, NY
>
>
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From rfv at entelix.com  Fri Nov 21 11:33:13 2003
From: rfv at entelix.com (rfv at entelix.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:33:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEEJENAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <200311211733.hALHXQ624497@databaseadvisors.com>

Check out the EMPOWER program.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/

Rudolf 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Viernes, 21 de Noviembre de 2003 09:40 a.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack

MSDN is expensive and it does include everything you've mentioned below.

I've never subscribed to the MS Action Pack but what you get with MSDN
depends on the subscription level. I do believe with Universal you recieve
everything MS churns out (other than games). I know I nearly had to hire an
"MSDN librarian" to keep it all straight!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:04 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
>
>
> Action pack is not solely to sales and marketing, but apart from the 
> OS software it also includes demo's and sales/marketing tools.
> It's ment for the typical dealer/reseller/network integrator and not 
> for the developer.
>
> Does the MSDN includes OS software like Exchange server, Isa Server, 
> SQL server, Small Business server etc?
>
> I believe MSDN is more expensive too?
>
>
> Erwin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
>
> Steve,
>
> <<If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious. MSDN 
> Universal includes everything. Why would you want the Action Pack?>>
>
>   As I said, the Action Pack is geared towards marketing and sales.  
> It's a different focus.  The only reason software is in there is to 
> help you explore new areas of technology.
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
> Erbach
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
>
>
> Jim,
>
> >> I've been on it a little over two years. ?I have a MSDN Universal
> subscription as well. <<
>
> If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious. MSDN 
> Universal includes everything. Why would you want the Action Pack?
>
> >> And to answer your question, no because technically your not buying 
> >> the
> Developers Edition and the license to distribute.  Could you?
> Yes.  What Microsoft care?  Probably not. <<
>
> Thanks for the interp.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Scientific Marketing
> Neenah, WI
>
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> However, several coulombs of electrons were temporarily 
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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Fri Nov 21 11:57:51 2003
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:57:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Broken API Call in WinXP:  GetEnvironmentVariable?
Message-ID: <35110-2200311521175751944@christopherhawkins.com>

I have inherited an application that uses the GetEnvironmentVariable
API to identify a machine for purposes of authenticating that a
certain application can be accessed from that machine.  For those
unfamiliar, here's the code that makes this call:

***START***
Declare Function GetEnvironmentVariable Lib "kernel32" Alias
"GetEnvironmentVariableA" (ByVal lpName As String, ByVal lpBuffer As
String, ByVal nSize As Long) As Long


Private Function GetClientName() As String

Dim strBuffer As String
Dim iLenBuffer As Integer
Dim retval As Integer

On Error GoTo Err_GetClientName

    strBuffer = Space(255)
    iLenBuffer = 255

    retval = GetEnvironmentVariable("CLIENTNAME", strBuffer,
iLenBuffer)
    If Len(Trim(strBuffer)) <> 0 Then
    	strBuffer = Left(strBuffer, Len(Trim(strBuffer)) - 1)
    Else
        ' probably no client name
        strBuffer = ""
    End If
    
Exit_GetClientName:
    Exit Function

Err_GetClientName:
        MsgBox Err.Description, , "Error in Function
modUtil.GetClientName"
        Resume Exit_GetClientName
    Resume 0    ' .FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
End Function
***END***

This has been working like a charm on Windows98 machines.  We add the
following line to AutoExec.bat:

"SET CLIENTNAME=FOOBAR"

And the API call returns the string "FOOBAR", every time without fail.

Now my client is migrating all their machines to XP.  Unfortunately,
this same API call returns an empty string, or sometimes the string
"Console".

"OK," I think to myself. "XP doesn't really use AutoExec.bat, it uses
AutoExec.NT.  I'll set the ClientName in that file instead!  But that
does not work either.

IThe fact that XP will return the string "Console" every so often
made me think " Aha!  On XP this API call is looking in the registry,
not in a .bat file".  So I searched the registry for every place
where the string "Console" existed, and one by one replaced them with
"FOOBAR" and re-ran the code.  I still got nothing.  If it was
returning "Console" before, it returned "Console" again.  if it
returned empty string before, it returned empty string again.

Then I wet to Control Panel > System > Advanced > Environment
Variables and added a system variable named CLIENTNAME with a value
of FOOBAR.

That did not work either, and now I am out of ideas.

Is there anyone who owns the API to the degree that they can tell me
where exactly GetEnvironmentVariable is looking to get the value it
returns?  I am well and truly stumped.

-Christopher-



From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 21 12:08:11 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:08:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Broken API Call in WinXP:  GetEnvironmentVariable?
In-Reply-To: <35110-2200311521175751944@christopherhawkins.com>
References: <35110-2200311521175751944@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <8736280738.20031121190811@cactus.dk>

Hi Christopher

1. Have you tried replacing that function with

   = Environ("CLIENTNAME")

2. Your problem may be due to missing rights for the login account.
Have you tried running the app under the Administrator account?

/gustav


> I have inherited an application that uses the GetEnvironmentVariable
> API to identify a machine for purposes of authenticating that a
> certain application can be accessed from that machine.  For those
> unfamiliar, here's the code that makes this call:


From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Fri Nov 21 12:08:38 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:08:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Broken API Call in WinXP:  GetEnvironmentVariab
	le?
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB94A@nnse14.nns.com>

If it is any "console"-ation, ;) someone else has faced your situation.
Perhaps the reply to his question will provide something useful.


Q.
http://www.vbug.co.uk/vaspfaq/tsviewq.asp?ID=7755

A.
http://www.vbug.co.uk/vaspfaq/tsviewa.asp?AID=7756&QID=7755


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:58 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Broken API Call in WinXP: GetEnvironmentVariable?


I have inherited an application that uses the GetEnvironmentVariable API to
identify a machine for purposes of authenticating that a certain application
can be accessed from that machine.  For those unfamiliar, here's the code
that makes this call:

***START***
Declare Function GetEnvironmentVariable Lib "kernel32" Alias
"GetEnvironmentVariableA" (ByVal lpName As String, ByVal lpBuffer As String,
ByVal nSize As Long) As Long


Private Function GetClientName() As String

Dim strBuffer As String
Dim iLenBuffer As Integer
Dim retval As Integer

On Error GoTo Err_GetClientName

    strBuffer = Space(255)
    iLenBuffer = 255

    retval = GetEnvironmentVariable("CLIENTNAME", strBuffer,
iLenBuffer)
    If Len(Trim(strBuffer)) <> 0 Then
    	strBuffer = Left(strBuffer, Len(Trim(strBuffer)) - 1)
    Else
        ' probably no client name
        strBuffer = ""
    End If
    
Exit_GetClientName:
    Exit Function

Err_GetClientName:
        MsgBox Err.Description, , "Error in Function modUtil.GetClientName"
        Resume Exit_GetClientName
    Resume 0    ' .FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
End Function
***END***

This has been working like a charm on Windows98 machines.  We add the
following line to AutoExec.bat:

"SET CLIENTNAME=FOOBAR"

And the API call returns the string "FOOBAR", every time without fail.

Now my client is migrating all their machines to XP.  Unfortunately, this
same API call returns an empty string, or sometimes the string "Console".

"OK," I think to myself. "XP doesn't really use AutoExec.bat, it uses
AutoExec.NT.  I'll set the ClientName in that file instead!  But that does
not work either.

IThe fact that XP will return the string "Console" every so often made me
think " Aha!  On XP this API call is looking in the registry, not in a .bat
file".  So I searched the registry for every place where the string
"Console" existed, and one by one replaced them with "FOOBAR" and re-ran the
code.  I still got nothing.  If it was returning "Console" before, it
returned "Console" again.  if it returned empty string before, it returned
empty string again.

Then I wet to Control Panel > System > Advanced > Environment Variables and
added a system variable named CLIENTNAME with a value of FOOBAR.

That did not work either, and now I am out of ideas.

Is there anyone who owns the API to the degree that they can tell me where
exactly GetEnvironmentVariable is looking to get the value it returns?  I am
well and truly stumped.

-Christopher-


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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Nov 21 12:12:18 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:12:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Broken API Call in WinXP:  GetEnvironmentVariab
	le?
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD797B@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Um... not sure about the API call for the environment variable, but Access
97 (and up, I believe) has the Environ() function, call it like this...

strEnvVar = Environ("CLIENTNAME")

Also, to confirm if your environment variable is being set, just open a DOS
box and type the command SET. It will list all the environment variables
that are set and you can see their values.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Christopher Hawkins [SMTP:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
> Sent:	Friday, November 21, 2003 12:58 PM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] OT: Broken API Call in WinXP:
> GetEnvironmentVariable?
> 
> I have inherited an application that uses the GetEnvironmentVariable
> API to identify a machine for purposes of authenticating that a
> certain application can be accessed from that machine.  For those
> unfamiliar, here's the code that makes this call:
> 
> ***START***
> Declare Function GetEnvironmentVariable Lib "kernel32" Alias
> "GetEnvironmentVariableA" (ByVal lpName As String, ByVal lpBuffer As
> String, ByVal nSize As Long) As Long
> 
> 
> Private Function GetClientName() As String
> 
> Dim strBuffer As String
> Dim iLenBuffer As Integer
> Dim retval As Integer
> 
> On Error GoTo Err_GetClientName
> 
>     strBuffer = Space(255)
>     iLenBuffer = 255
> 
>     retval = GetEnvironmentVariable("CLIENTNAME", strBuffer,
> iLenBuffer)
>     If Len(Trim(strBuffer)) <> 0 Then
>     	strBuffer = Left(strBuffer, Len(Trim(strBuffer)) - 1)
>     Else
>         ' probably no client name
>         strBuffer = ""
>     End If
>     
> Exit_GetClientName:
>     Exit Function
> 
> Err_GetClientName:
>         MsgBox Err.Description, , "Error in Function
> modUtil.GetClientName"
>         Resume Exit_GetClientName
>     Resume 0    ' .FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
> End Function
> ***END***
> 
> This has been working like a charm on Windows98 machines.  We add the
> following line to AutoExec.bat:
> 
> "SET CLIENTNAME=FOOBAR"
> 
> And the API call returns the string "FOOBAR", every time without fail.
> 
> Now my client is migrating all their machines to XP.  Unfortunately,
> this same API call returns an empty string, or sometimes the string
> "Console".
> 
> "OK," I think to myself. "XP doesn't really use AutoExec.bat, it uses
> AutoExec.NT.  I'll set the ClientName in that file instead!  But that
> does not work either.
> 
> IThe fact that XP will return the string "Console" every so often
> made me think " Aha!  On XP this API call is looking in the registry,
> not in a .bat file".  So I searched the registry for every place
> where the string "Console" existed, and one by one replaced them with
> "FOOBAR" and re-ran the code.  I still got nothing.  If it was
> returning "Console" before, it returned "Console" again.  if it
> returned empty string before, it returned empty string again.
> 
> Then I wet to Control Panel > System > Advanced > Environment
> Variables and added a system variable named CLIENTNAME with a value
> of FOOBAR.
> 
> That did not work either, and now I am out of ideas.
> 
> Is there anyone who owns the API to the degree that they can tell me
> where exactly GetEnvironmentVariable is looking to get the value it
> returns?  I am well and truly stumped.
> 
> -Christopher-
> 
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From paulawright at boddienoell.com  Fri Nov 21 12:16:39 2003
From: paulawright at boddienoell.com (Paula Wright)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:16:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re:  Problem Shutting Down Access
Message-ID: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCC65D2E@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>

I posted a question about a week ago where I was having a problem shutting
down Access after calling a Crystal Report.  Actually what I found was
happening was that Access was shutting down and the re-opening.  In case
anyone has a problem with this in the future, here is the solution to the
problem I was having.

Crystal Reports based on Access queries creates an indirect connection.  Some
of my reports were based on tables.  Once I created queries based on the
tables and linked the reports to them, my problem was resolved.  Just a note:
I couldn't find an easy way to replace all the table names referenced in
every field on the report, so I simply changed the names of my tables and
used Rick Fisher's Find and Replace Add-In to change all references to the
tables.  Then I used the old names of the tables on the queries.

From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Nov 21 12:20:16 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:20:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <28212869.1069432457235.JavaMail.root@sniper.marix.com>
Message-ID: <000501c3b05c$1d84fb40$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Charlotte,

You said, 'Feel free to write your own."  

I've looked at the Redemption web site, and while it's not too expensive,
all I really need is to be able to send simple emails from within Access
without the 'are you sure' dialog.  Do you know where I could learn enough
about Extended MAPI to do just this?

Thanks,
Dan Waters



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


This thread seems to be degenerating into Microsoft bashing and rant, but
let me clarify something.  The Redemption dll is NOT a control.  It is a
library that you call into, a wrapper for Extended MAPI calls. Feel free to
write your own ... Or to use a different email application ... Or to use
SMTP instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...



The Outlook security patch is a half-assed reaction to what was at the time
a big press issue.  With repeated massive virus attacks crippling mail
servers world wide, they had to appear do something for public image and if
it helped lessen the problem all the better.  This was quick and dirty and
since it was done, it stuck, but at least in later office versions you could
uncripple outlook for certain things.  Why is it half assed?

1. It is indiscriminate and broke a lot of existing and widely used
applications that hooked into outlook.  Remember that Office and vba is
supposed to be all about flexibility developing solutions.  They broke that
big time.

2. It isn't about fixing security vulnerabilites.  MS has had plenty of
security vulnerabilites and they fix those with minor patches, not wholesale
surgery on applications.  The patch doesn't stop you receiving viruses, or
running them, or them sending mail out simple inbuilt smtp engines which
most successful trojans have had for years.  By and large viruses/trojan in
this day and age do not use security vulnerabilities as their primary means
of infection.

3. And this is the kicker for me.  If redemption bypasses security by using
extended mapi, how long will it really be before some virus/trojan writer
uses extended mapi to access the address book.  Remember the majority of
viruses these days are trojans not scripts.  They don't use security
vulnerabilites to spread and infect, they use social engineering to trick
people into thinking they are from people they know.

So should I now spend US$200 on a control that may well be crippled sometime
soon as MS uses the same half baked strategy again.  If they are going to
close access to the address book why not close it the first time, and not
leave a back door that will spawn another generation of super spreading
viruses? 

It it worth trying to bypass Outlook security?  If I can bypass it with a
simple control, so any decent virus writer with half a brain can build the
same into his newest attack.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, 21 November, 2003 8:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
> 
> 
> On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:
> 
> > 
> > >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that
> turns it on. (A2K)
> > Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious
> VBScript code from
> > propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your
> clients not to
> > install security patches so your email code will work?
> > 
> > 
> I'm with JC 100% on this one.
> 
> The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting 
> machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's 
> not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.
> 
> It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess 
> communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite 
> paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which has 
> the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing 
> applications.
> 
> Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
> (At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email 
> programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about 
> it at all <VBG>)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Nov 21 12:29:15 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:29:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312478@infoserver01.infostat.local>

How are you at C or C++?  That's pretty much what you have to write
direct calls in.  Take a look at this MSKB article to get started.
Watch out for the wrap:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.
com:80/support/kb/articles/Q200/0/18.asp&NoWebContent=1

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Charlotte,

You said, 'Feel free to write your own."  

I've looked at the Redemption web site, and while it's not too
expensive, all I really need is to be able to send simple emails from
within Access without the 'are you sure' dialog.  Do you know where I
could learn enough about Extended MAPI to do just this?

Thanks,
Dan Waters



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


This thread seems to be degenerating into Microsoft bashing and rant,
but let me clarify something.  The Redemption dll is NOT a control.  It
is a library that you call into, a wrapper for Extended MAPI calls. Feel
free to write your own ... Or to use a different email application ...
Or to use SMTP instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...



The Outlook security patch is a half-assed reaction to what was at the
time a big press issue.  With repeated massive virus attacks crippling
mail servers world wide, they had to appear do something for public
image and if it helped lessen the problem all the better.  This was
quick and dirty and since it was done, it stuck, but at least in later
office versions you could uncripple outlook for certain things.  Why is
it half assed?

1. It is indiscriminate and broke a lot of existing and widely used
applications that hooked into outlook.  Remember that Office and vba is
supposed to be all about flexibility developing solutions.  They broke
that big time.

2. It isn't about fixing security vulnerabilites.  MS has had plenty of
security vulnerabilites and they fix those with minor patches, not
wholesale surgery on applications.  The patch doesn't stop you receiving
viruses, or running them, or them sending mail out simple inbuilt smtp
engines which most successful trojans have had for years.  By and large
viruses/trojan in this day and age do not use security vulnerabilities
as their primary means of infection.

3. And this is the kicker for me.  If redemption bypasses security by
using extended mapi, how long will it really be before some virus/trojan
writer uses extended mapi to access the address book.  Remember the
majority of viruses these days are trojans not scripts.  They don't use
security vulnerabilites to spread and infect, they use social
engineering to trick people into thinking they are from people they
know.

So should I now spend US$200 on a control that may well be crippled
sometime soon as MS uses the same half baked strategy again.  If they
are going to close access to the address book why not close it the first
time, and not leave a back door that will spawn another generation of
super spreading viruses? 

It it worth trying to bypass Outlook security?  If I can bypass it with
a simple control, so any decent virus writer with half a brain can build
the same into his newest attack.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, 21 November, 2003 8:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
> 
> 
> On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:
> 
> > 
> > >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that
> turns it on. (A2K)
> > Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious
> VBScript code from
> > propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your
> clients not to
> > install security patches so your email code will work?
> > 
> > 
> I'm with JC 100% on this one.
> 
> The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting
> machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's 
> not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.
> 
> It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess
> communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite 
> paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which has

> the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing 
> applications.
> 
> Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
> (At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email
> programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about 
> it at all <VBG>)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> --
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> Support.
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Nov 21 13:50:04 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:50:04 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <16179155.1069440260187.JavaMail.root@sniper.marix.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3b068$a8c31370$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Well . . .

I have no experience with C or C++.  I'll look at the article you
referenced, but I'll probably go ahead and buy Redemption.

Thanks - That was just what I needed!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


How are you at C or C++?  That's pretty much what you have to write direct
calls in.  Take a look at this MSKB article to get started. Watch out for
the wrap:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.
com:80/support/kb/articles/Q200/0/18.asp&NoWebContent=1

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Charlotte,

You said, 'Feel free to write your own."  

I've looked at the Redemption web site, and while it's not too expensive,
all I really need is to be able to send simple emails from within Access
without the 'are you sure' dialog.  Do you know where I could learn enough
about Extended MAPI to do just this?

Thanks,
Dan Waters



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


This thread seems to be degenerating into Microsoft bashing and rant, but
let me clarify something.  The Redemption dll is NOT a control.  It is a
library that you call into, a wrapper for Extended MAPI calls. Feel free to
write your own ... Or to use a different email application ... Or to use
SMTP instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...



The Outlook security patch is a half-assed reaction to what was at the time
a big press issue.  With repeated massive virus attacks crippling mail
servers world wide, they had to appear do something for public image and if
it helped lessen the problem all the better.  This was quick and dirty and
since it was done, it stuck, but at least in later office versions you could
uncripple outlook for certain things.  Why is it half assed?

1. It is indiscriminate and broke a lot of existing and widely used
applications that hooked into outlook.  Remember that Office and vba is
supposed to be all about flexibility developing solutions.  They broke that
big time.

2. It isn't about fixing security vulnerabilites.  MS has had plenty of
security vulnerabilites and they fix those with minor patches, not wholesale
surgery on applications.  The patch doesn't stop you receiving viruses, or
running them, or them sending mail out simple inbuilt smtp engines which
most successful trojans have had for years.  By and large viruses/trojan in
this day and age do not use security vulnerabilities as their primary means
of infection.

3. And this is the kicker for me.  If redemption bypasses security by using
extended mapi, how long will it really be before some virus/trojan writer
uses extended mapi to access the address book.  Remember the majority of
viruses these days are trojans not scripts.  They don't use security
vulnerabilites to spread and infect, they use social engineering to trick
people into thinking they are from people they know.

So should I now spend US$200 on a control that may well be crippled sometime
soon as MS uses the same half baked strategy again.  If they are going to
close access to the address book why not close it the first time, and not
leave a back door that will spawn another generation of super spreading
viruses? 

It it worth trying to bypass Outlook security?  If I can bypass it with a
simple control, so any decent virus writer with half a brain can build the
same into his newest attack.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, 21 November, 2003 8:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
> 
> 
> On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:
> 
> > 
> > >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that
> turns it on. (A2K)
> > Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious
> VBScript code from
> > propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your
> clients not to
> > install security patches so your email code will work?
> > 
> > 
> I'm with JC 100% on this one.
> 
> The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting 
> machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's 
> not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.
> 
> It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess 
> communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite 
> paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which has

> the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing
> applications.
> 
> Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
> (At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email 
> programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about 
> it at all <VBG>)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> --
> Lexacorp Ltd
> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System
> Support.
> 
> 
> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 21 14:45:22 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:45:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275B9@main2.marlow.com>

Well put.  It took me a little bit to catch onto building my own classes,
and using events.  Now it is just second nature, and I am boggled at what I
did before!

The real fun I've had lately is using VBScript's 'version' of a
Class/collection.  Slightly different, but still pretty adequate.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Thank you, thank you, (takes a deep bow).  <grin>

As you can see it was actually a chapter in a book.  I had some pretty
nitpicky tech editors going at it and in the end, one of them still just
didn't understand the whole thing.  That really isn't surprising however, it
took me three passes at Shamil's stuff on his web site before I finally "got
it".  Now I look back and scratch my head wondering why - the basic stuff is
just dead simple.

I really think it's the concept of an event being radiated and ANY class can
listen if the programmer knows how to set it up that threw me.  We all come
from the idea that a control BELONGS to a form and only the form can hear
it's events, and nothing in Access ever tells us otherwise.  Then along
comes withevents which tells us that every event generated by any object can
be picked up in any class anywhere (on the same machine), whether in a form,
a different form, or just a class loaded by some piece of code somewhere.
If the listener has dimmed an instance of that KIND of object (lets say a
combo) and received a pointer to the exact object (combo) that it wants to
listen to, then it can receive control when that object's events fire.

I built a class (as mentioned in this chapter) for a real client, an
insurance company. They had a business rule that they modeled with a set of
5 check boxes.  These check boxes tied directly to 5 Boolean fields in a
table.  The check boxes were inter-related, one meant the claim was a
maternity claim, an accident, an illness, was auto related or was workers
comp.

It sounds weird I know but that's one of the ways they sorted and looked at
their claims.  So the SET of checkboxes had to be handled as an entity, they
interrelated.  An accident was NOT an illness.  A maternity claim WAS an
illness and was NOT an accident.  Auto related WAS an accident and NOT an
illness.  And then there were rules as to which of the above could be
workers comp.

In order to prevent data entry errors, I needed to do checking as they
clicked check boxes.  If they clicked auto, I checked the accident and
cleared the illness and maternity, if they clicked the maternity, I cleared
the auto and accident and set the illness.  Etc.

In order to encapsulate this whole thing into a SYSTEM that was an
integrated whole, I built a class, passed in a pointer to all five check
boxes, and sank the click event for each check box.  I then built all of the
code to do this checking as a private function inside the class.

It turns out that I needed an identical set of 5 checkboxes in three
different forms - an Initial Data Entry (IDE) form for Long Term Disability
(a set of users), another IDE for Short Term Disability (a different set of
users) and a central claim form where everybody came to maintain claims.
Because I had written a class to encapsulate the whole into a class I could
set the whole thing up with 3 lines of code in each form:

**in the form header
Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

*** in the form OnOpen

    Set ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes = New dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes
    ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes.Init fclsfrm, Me, chkWorkComp, chkAutoRelated,
chkAccident, chkSickness, chkMaternity

Having done that, the class instance handled all of the checking as check
boxes were checked / unchecked.  There were no event sinks required in the
form for the checkboxes, and if the rules need changing just go to the class
and everything required is right there.  Class module header comments can
explain why I am doing what I am doing (Documentation!!!) all in one place.

NOTICE that the class was dimensioned WithEvents!!!

Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

What this means is that the class raises it's own event to notify the form
that the boxes had changed.  THIS is a critical concept as well, RaiseEvent
means that a class can radiate an event in case anyone cares to listen.

It turned out that Long term and Short term handled things a bit differently
and some recalculations in other fields were needed in STD forms where they
aren't needed in LTD forms.  By radiating an event saying that these check
boxes had changed, I could listen for that event in the STD initial data
entry form and do the recalcs, but ignore the event in LTD IDE.

Withevents and Raiseevents are nothing magical.  They are just an extension
of what every Access developer already knows.  But once you wrap your mind
around what it can do for you, the difference in the way you attack things
can be startling (even magical).

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi Guys:

An excellent article...Now I know what the 'withevents' and 'raiseevent' can
be used for other than passing error messages back  from a class.

Great stuff.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi all

Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
among the numerous authors:

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
This book chapter explains what it can do for you.

/gustav



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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 21 14:51:09 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:51:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are yourunningono
	nemachine? XPosted
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275BA@main2.marlow.com>

I hear ya.  I'm in the same boat.  When dealing with Access, it's a rare
rare rare day when I have to create a runtime version.  99.95% of the Access
stuff i work on are .mdb's (or .mde's) that run on full blown versions of
Access.  No install necessary.  To me, that is part of the charm of Access.
No need to install anything anywhere, just copy the file.

On the other hand, I deal with VB quite a bit, and that's a different story.
With VB, you are faced with installing the VB runtimes already, so adding
other components into the install is just part of the mix.  However, what I
have found to be the best of both worlds is ASP/VB/Access.  Access (Well
Jet) as the backend. ASP as the FE, and VB in the middle as an ActiveX .dll.
The real beauty of that system is that if I think things through when I am
building it, I can make the ActiveX .dll's interactive with each other.  In
a corporate environment, it is very handy to just reference a pre-existing
.dll on the IIS server, and use it with a new application.  Loads of fun!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are
yourunningononemachine? XPosted


Charlotte,

>Since we install our applications on user systems, it hardly seems valid to
quibble about installing the Redemption dll as well.

The problem with that argument is that I don't use runtimes.  Thus an
"install" is nothing more than running a batch file that builds a directory,
downloads my framework to the windows dir and the app to it's dir, then
starts the app.  Installing a dll means registering it (doesn't it?).  If I
could simply copy it somewhere and use it I would quiet my complaints
considerably.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are
yourunningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart and John,

Since we install our applications on user systems, it hardly seems valid
to quibble about installing the Redemption dll as well.  We use
redemption and find it very effective since it bypasses the MAPI calls
that have been such a security problem and uses Extended MAPI instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
for email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:36 PM
> To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
> Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
> on one machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003.
>
> The OS is win XP.
>
> How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
> Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Joe Hecht
>
> Los Angeles CA
>
>
>
>
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Nov 21 14:55:13 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:55:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F8FE@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Drew,

Can I ask why you'd want to get into VBScript classes when you can just as easily compile your code in VB and reference it from your web app?

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Well put.  It took me a little bit to catch onto building my own classes,
and using events.  Now it is just second nature, and I am boggled at what I
did before!

The real fun I've had lately is using VBScript's 'version' of a
Class/collection.  Slightly different, but still pretty adequate.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Thank you, thank you, (takes a deep bow).  <grin>

As you can see it was actually a chapter in a book.  I had some pretty
nitpicky tech editors going at it and in the end, one of them still just
didn't understand the whole thing.  That really isn't surprising however, it
took me three passes at Shamil's stuff on his web site before I finally "got
it".  Now I look back and scratch my head wondering why - the basic stuff is
just dead simple.

I really think it's the concept of an event being radiated and ANY class can
listen if the programmer knows how to set it up that threw me.  We all come
from the idea that a control BELONGS to a form and only the form can hear
it's events, and nothing in Access ever tells us otherwise.  Then along
comes withevents which tells us that every event generated by any object can
be picked up in any class anywhere (on the same machine), whether in a form,
a different form, or just a class loaded by some piece of code somewhere.
If the listener has dimmed an instance of that KIND of object (lets say a
combo) and received a pointer to the exact object (combo) that it wants to
listen to, then it can receive control when that object's events fire.

I built a class (as mentioned in this chapter) for a real client, an
insurance company. They had a business rule that they modeled with a set of
5 check boxes.  These check boxes tied directly to 5 Boolean fields in a
table.  The check boxes were inter-related, one meant the claim was a
maternity claim, an accident, an illness, was auto related or was workers
comp.

It sounds weird I know but that's one of the ways they sorted and looked at
their claims.  So the SET of checkboxes had to be handled as an entity, they
interrelated.  An accident was NOT an illness.  A maternity claim WAS an
illness and was NOT an accident.  Auto related WAS an accident and NOT an
illness.  And then there were rules as to which of the above could be
workers comp.

In order to prevent data entry errors, I needed to do checking as they
clicked check boxes.  If they clicked auto, I checked the accident and
cleared the illness and maternity, if they clicked the maternity, I cleared
the auto and accident and set the illness.  Etc.

In order to encapsulate this whole thing into a SYSTEM that was an
integrated whole, I built a class, passed in a pointer to all five check
boxes, and sank the click event for each check box.  I then built all of the
code to do this checking as a private function inside the class.

It turns out that I needed an identical set of 5 checkboxes in three
different forms - an Initial Data Entry (IDE) form for Long Term Disability
(a set of users), another IDE for Short Term Disability (a different set of
users) and a central claim form where everybody came to maintain claims.
Because I had written a class to encapsulate the whole into a class I could
set the whole thing up with 3 lines of code in each form:

**in the form header
Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

*** in the form OnOpen

    Set ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes = New dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes
    ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes.Init fclsfrm, Me, chkWorkComp, chkAutoRelated,
chkAccident, chkSickness, chkMaternity

Having done that, the class instance handled all of the checking as check
boxes were checked / unchecked.  There were no event sinks required in the
form for the checkboxes, and if the rules need changing just go to the class
and everything required is right there.  Class module header comments can
explain why I am doing what I am doing (Documentation!!!) all in one place.

NOTICE that the class was dimensioned WithEvents!!!

Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

What this means is that the class raises it's own event to notify the form
that the boxes had changed.  THIS is a critical concept as well, RaiseEvent
means that a class can radiate an event in case anyone cares to listen.

It turned out that Long term and Short term handled things a bit differently
and some recalculations in other fields were needed in STD forms where they
aren't needed in LTD forms.  By radiating an event saying that these check
boxes had changed, I could listen for that event in the STD initial data
entry form and do the recalcs, but ignore the event in LTD IDE.

Withevents and Raiseevents are nothing magical.  They are just an extension
of what every Access developer already knows.  But once you wrap your mind
around what it can do for you, the difference in the way you attack things
can be startling (even magical).

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi Guys:

An excellent article...Now I know what the 'withevents' and 'raiseevent' can
be used for other than passing error messages back  from a class.

Great stuff.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi all

Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
among the numerous authors:

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
This book chapter explains what it can do for you.

/gustav



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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 21 14:58:43 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:58:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275BC@main2.marlow.com>

It's still a pointless check, especially since the last 'big' virus came
with it's own SMTP protocols, to propogate itself without using anything on
your machine (though I think it grabbed your SMTP settings).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Stuart,

I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The unfortunate
reality is that there are millions of machines out there used by individuals
in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run virus checkers.
THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that they only screw
up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has no place in a
business where they should be running AV software.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:

>
> >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that turns it on. (A2K)
> Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious VBScript code
from
> propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your clients not to
> install security patches so your email code will work?
>
>
I'm with JC 100% on this one.

The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting
machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's
not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.

It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess
communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite
paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which
has the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing
applications.

Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
(At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email
programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about
it at all <VBG>)







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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri Nov 21 15:01:11 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:01:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AccessXP native controls question
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA306AF570@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB040@ADGSERVER>

Hi all,

Was wanting to update the look of our Acc97 app in AccXP.  What controls
come with Office XP that do not natively show up in AccXP?  By that I mean
are there listviews, treeviews, etc that I can access from the other tools
button?

Our client wants only controls that come with office so that we won't run
into issues of another control not getting installed properly.

TIA,
Bobby


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 21 15:03:17 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:03:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275BD@main2.marlow.com>

We use Trend Micro's Server Protect on our file servers.  Can barely tell
it's running.  Only issue I have ever had with it was that it did it's job
TOO well. (Grin)  There was a discussion on OT about viruses, and I had a
copy of the ILOVEYOU virus on Floppy.  Since I run 2000 Server, our normal
office scanner (Trend's OfficeScan) won't run on my machine, so I'm part of
the ServerProtect Cluster.  I put the disk in, and when to open it in
notepad, to paste the contents (safe, had removed the scripting tags) into
an email, and blip, the file disappeared off of the floppy.  Took me a
second to realize that by opening it, ServerProtect was triggered to read
it, saw it was a virus, and deleted it (actually, it archived it.....)
hehehehe Had to shut down serverprotect to do what I needed to do!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]


Depends on what file extensions are scanned on a network server. I keep 
a special stick to poke network guys who insist on scanning ldb and mdb 
file types among others. Scanning a 300MB file on-access can bring 
things to a grinding halt.

Stuart McLachlan wrote:

>On 20 Nov 2003 at 20:40, John W. Colby wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Stuart,
>>
>>I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The unfortunate
>>reality is that there are millions of machines out there used by
individuals
>>in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run virus
checkers.
>>THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that they only
screw
>>up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has no place in
a
>>business where they should be running AV software.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Which brings us on to another question, prompted recently by a 
>client.
>
>What is your option on running anti-virus software on network 
>servers?
>(Assuming that you do run on-access scanning software on the 
>workstations)
>
>Note: 
>X-posted to <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>All follow ups to that list only. Please!
>
>
> 
> 
>  
>

-- 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 21 15:05:45 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:05:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Change Default Printer
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275BE@main2.marlow.com>

'Print To Picture thingy'.  Is that a technical term, or just an industry
standard out in Arnold's World? <grin> (Sorry, it's Friday, I couldn't
resist!).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:28 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Change Default Printer


Dear List:

I'm using the Print To Picture thingy to print reports to a PCX file so they
can be dropped into a manual. Works pretty good.  

But one of my reports got it's default printer switched from the printer
everything else goes to (a networked laser) to this 'print to picture' which
is installed as a printer.

Does anyone know how to change this back so that when I hit ctrl-P in the
preview mode the printer dialog box comes up with the printer I want?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 21 15:09:53 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:09:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275BF@main2.marlow.com>

persists.com They have a component called ASPEmail.  You can use it with VBA
too.  Just give it the SMTP server, and you are off and running.  It has
both a free and 'pro' versions.  The free is pretty decent, does all of the
basic email functions.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Charlotte,

You said, 'Feel free to write your own."  

I've looked at the Redemption web site, and while it's not too expensive,
all I really need is to be able to send simple emails from within Access
without the 'are you sure' dialog.  Do you know where I could learn enough
about Extended MAPI to do just this?

Thanks,
Dan Waters



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


This thread seems to be degenerating into Microsoft bashing and rant, but
let me clarify something.  The Redemption dll is NOT a control.  It is a
library that you call into, a wrapper for Extended MAPI calls. Feel free to
write your own ... Or to use a different email application ... Or to use
SMTP instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...



The Outlook security patch is a half-assed reaction to what was at the time
a big press issue.  With repeated massive virus attacks crippling mail
servers world wide, they had to appear do something for public image and if
it helped lessen the problem all the better.  This was quick and dirty and
since it was done, it stuck, but at least in later office versions you could
uncripple outlook for certain things.  Why is it half assed?

1. It is indiscriminate and broke a lot of existing and widely used
applications that hooked into outlook.  Remember that Office and vba is
supposed to be all about flexibility developing solutions.  They broke that
big time.

2. It isn't about fixing security vulnerabilites.  MS has had plenty of
security vulnerabilites and they fix those with minor patches, not wholesale
surgery on applications.  The patch doesn't stop you receiving viruses, or
running them, or them sending mail out simple inbuilt smtp engines which
most successful trojans have had for years.  By and large viruses/trojan in
this day and age do not use security vulnerabilities as their primary means
of infection.

3. And this is the kicker for me.  If redemption bypasses security by using
extended mapi, how long will it really be before some virus/trojan writer
uses extended mapi to access the address book.  Remember the majority of
viruses these days are trojans not scripts.  They don't use security
vulnerabilites to spread and infect, they use social engineering to trick
people into thinking they are from people they know.

So should I now spend US$200 on a control that may well be crippled sometime
soon as MS uses the same half baked strategy again.  If they are going to
close access to the address book why not close it the first time, and not
leave a back door that will spawn another generation of super spreading
viruses? 

It it worth trying to bypass Outlook security?  If I can bypass it with a
simple control, so any decent virus writer with half a brain can build the
same into his newest attack.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, 21 November, 2003 8:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
> 
> 
> On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:
> 
> > 
> > >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that
> turns it on. (A2K)
> > Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious
> VBScript code from
> > propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your
> clients not to
> > install security patches so your email code will work?
> > 
> > 
> I'm with JC 100% on this one.
> 
> The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting 
> machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's 
> not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.
> 
> It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess 
> communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite 
> paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which has 
> the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing 
> applications.
> 
> Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
> (At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email 
> programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about 
> it at all <VBG>)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> --
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> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> Information Technology Consultancy, Software
> Development,System Support.
> 
> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 21 15:13:52 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:13:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275C0@main2.marlow.com>

Good question.  Because I do exactly that 99% of the time.  But every once
in a while, I get hit with an ASP job running on a non-IIS server (or an IIS
server that I don't have sufficient access to register ActiveX .dll's).
Case in point, my latest project is just that.  I think the hosting company
is running Red Hat, with ASP support.  So I can write ASP, but I can't use
custom VB .dll's.  I was building sort of a 'cross-tab' query, of sorts
(price matrix....from row, column, and data tables), and was left with the
choice of either running back and forth through a couple recordset objects,
or just building a few classes, put them in Dictionary objects (which is a
collection), and 'keying' them with the references I need to pull them up
when I need them.

Worked great.

Granted, would MUCH rather deal with VB, but in this particular case (and a
few others I've run into), I get to stretch the limits of ASP itself! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Drew,

Can I ask why you'd want to get into VBScript classes when you can just as
easily compile your code in VB and reference it from your web app?

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Well put.  It took me a little bit to catch onto building my own classes,
and using events.  Now it is just second nature, and I am boggled at what I
did before!

The real fun I've had lately is using VBScript's 'version' of a
Class/collection.  Slightly different, but still pretty adequate.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Thank you, thank you, (takes a deep bow).  <grin>

As you can see it was actually a chapter in a book.  I had some pretty
nitpicky tech editors going at it and in the end, one of them still just
didn't understand the whole thing.  That really isn't surprising however, it
took me three passes at Shamil's stuff on his web site before I finally "got
it".  Now I look back and scratch my head wondering why - the basic stuff is
just dead simple.

I really think it's the concept of an event being radiated and ANY class can
listen if the programmer knows how to set it up that threw me.  We all come
from the idea that a control BELONGS to a form and only the form can hear
it's events, and nothing in Access ever tells us otherwise.  Then along
comes withevents which tells us that every event generated by any object can
be picked up in any class anywhere (on the same machine), whether in a form,
a different form, or just a class loaded by some piece of code somewhere.
If the listener has dimmed an instance of that KIND of object (lets say a
combo) and received a pointer to the exact object (combo) that it wants to
listen to, then it can receive control when that object's events fire.

I built a class (as mentioned in this chapter) for a real client, an
insurance company. They had a business rule that they modeled with a set of
5 check boxes.  These check boxes tied directly to 5 Boolean fields in a
table.  The check boxes were inter-related, one meant the claim was a
maternity claim, an accident, an illness, was auto related or was workers
comp.

It sounds weird I know but that's one of the ways they sorted and looked at
their claims.  So the SET of checkboxes had to be handled as an entity, they
interrelated.  An accident was NOT an illness.  A maternity claim WAS an
illness and was NOT an accident.  Auto related WAS an accident and NOT an
illness.  And then there were rules as to which of the above could be
workers comp.

In order to prevent data entry errors, I needed to do checking as they
clicked check boxes.  If they clicked auto, I checked the accident and
cleared the illness and maternity, if they clicked the maternity, I cleared
the auto and accident and set the illness.  Etc.

In order to encapsulate this whole thing into a SYSTEM that was an
integrated whole, I built a class, passed in a pointer to all five check
boxes, and sank the click event for each check box.  I then built all of the
code to do this checking as a private function inside the class.

It turns out that I needed an identical set of 5 checkboxes in three
different forms - an Initial Data Entry (IDE) form for Long Term Disability
(a set of users), another IDE for Short Term Disability (a different set of
users) and a central claim form where everybody came to maintain claims.
Because I had written a class to encapsulate the whole into a class I could
set the whole thing up with 3 lines of code in each form:

**in the form header
Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

*** in the form OnOpen

    Set ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes = New dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes
    ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes.Init fclsfrm, Me, chkWorkComp, chkAutoRelated,
chkAccident, chkSickness, chkMaternity

Having done that, the class instance handled all of the checking as check
boxes were checked / unchecked.  There were no event sinks required in the
form for the checkboxes, and if the rules need changing just go to the class
and everything required is right there.  Class module header comments can
explain why I am doing what I am doing (Documentation!!!) all in one place.

NOTICE that the class was dimensioned WithEvents!!!

Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

What this means is that the class raises it's own event to notify the form
that the boxes had changed.  THIS is a critical concept as well, RaiseEvent
means that a class can radiate an event in case anyone cares to listen.

It turned out that Long term and Short term handled things a bit differently
and some recalculations in other fields were needed in STD forms where they
aren't needed in LTD forms.  By radiating an event saying that these check
boxes had changed, I could listen for that event in the STD initial data
entry form and do the recalcs, but ignore the event in LTD IDE.

Withevents and Raiseevents are nothing magical.  They are just an extension
of what every Access developer already knows.  But once you wrap your mind
around what it can do for you, the difference in the way you attack things
can be startling (even magical).

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi Guys:

An excellent article...Now I know what the 'withevents' and 'raiseevent' can
be used for other than passing error messages back  from a class.

Great stuff.
Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi all

Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
among the numerous authors:

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
This book chapter explains what it can do for you.

/gustav



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From pedro at plex.nl  Fri Nov 21 14:53:43 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:53:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] single label;     was subject "blank"
References: <200311210958.hAL9wYEU002289@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <000001c3b07a$f5a38960$f4c581d5@pedro>

Hello,


Thanks to all who responded.
All Solutions were handy, but i found the peterssoftware the most handy.

Pedro Janssen





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Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] single label; was subject "blank"


> Sorry i forgot the subject
>
>
>
> > Hello group,
> >
> > i want to make adress-labels for 1 single adress. In our hospital we use
sheets of labels. Is there a way on a form when i have selected one user, to
give the position on the report, where the adress on the label must be
printed.
> >
> > for example
> >
> > i have a labelsheet with 6 labels. Can i make command buttons an click
on the third commandbutton, so that the adress is placed on the position of
label3
> >
> > "labelsheet"
> >
> >  cmd1   cmd2   cmd3
> >
> >  cmd4   cmd5   cmd6
> >
> >
> > TIA
> >
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Nov 21 16:09:41 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:09:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F8FF@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Makes sense thanks.  I just found out about VBS classes a short while ago in a pretty good ASP book by O'Reilly Press "Designing Active Server Pages" by Scott Mitchell (I think he's the 4gusfromfolla.com guy).

Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Good question.  Because I do exactly that 99% of the time.  But every once
in a while, I get hit with an ASP job running on a non-IIS server (or an IIS
server that I don't have sufficient access to register ActiveX .dll's).
Case in point, my latest project is just that.  I think the hosting company
is running Red Hat, with ASP support.  So I can write ASP, but I can't use
custom VB .dll's.  I was building sort of a 'cross-tab' query, of sorts
(price matrix....from row, column, and data tables), and was left with the
choice of either running back and forth through a couple recordset objects,
or just building a few classes, put them in Dictionary objects (which is a
collection), and 'keying' them with the references I need to pull them up
when I need them.

Worked great.

Granted, would MUCH rather deal with VB, but in this particular case (and a
few others I've run into), I get to stretch the limits of ASP itself! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Drew,

Can I ask why you'd want to get into VBScript classes when you can just as
easily compile your code in VB and reference it from your web app?

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Well put.  It took me a little bit to catch onto building my own classes,
and using events.  Now it is just second nature, and I am boggled at what I
did before!

The real fun I've had lately is using VBScript's 'version' of a
Class/collection.  Slightly different, but still pretty adequate.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Thank you, thank you, (takes a deep bow).  <grin>

As you can see it was actually a chapter in a book.  I had some pretty
nitpicky tech editors going at it and in the end, one of them still just
didn't understand the whole thing.  That really isn't surprising however, it
took me three passes at Shamil's stuff on his web site before I finally "got
it".  Now I look back and scratch my head wondering why - the basic stuff is
just dead simple.

I really think it's the concept of an event being radiated and ANY class can
listen if the programmer knows how to set it up that threw me.  We all come
from the idea that a control BELONGS to a form and only the form can hear
it's events, and nothing in Access ever tells us otherwise.  Then along
comes withevents which tells us that every event generated by any object can
be picked up in any class anywhere (on the same machine), whether in a form,
a different form, or just a class loaded by some piece of code somewhere.
If the listener has dimmed an instance of that KIND of object (lets say a
combo) and received a pointer to the exact object (combo) that it wants to
listen to, then it can receive control when that object's events fire.

I built a class (as mentioned in this chapter) for a real client, an
insurance company. They had a business rule that they modeled with a set of
5 check boxes.  These check boxes tied directly to 5 Boolean fields in a
table.  The check boxes were inter-related, one meant the claim was a
maternity claim, an accident, an illness, was auto related or was workers
comp.

It sounds weird I know but that's one of the ways they sorted and looked at
their claims.  So the SET of checkboxes had to be handled as an entity, they
interrelated.  An accident was NOT an illness.  A maternity claim WAS an
illness and was NOT an accident.  Auto related WAS an accident and NOT an
illness.  And then there were rules as to which of the above could be
workers comp.

In order to prevent data entry errors, I needed to do checking as they
clicked check boxes.  If they clicked auto, I checked the accident and
cleared the illness and maternity, if they clicked the maternity, I cleared
the auto and accident and set the illness.  Etc.

In order to encapsulate this whole thing into a SYSTEM that was an
integrated whole, I built a class, passed in a pointer to all five check
boxes, and sank the click event for each check box.  I then built all of the
code to do this checking as a private function inside the class.

It turns out that I needed an identical set of 5 checkboxes in three
different forms - an Initial Data Entry (IDE) form for Long Term Disability
(a set of users), another IDE for Short Term Disability (a different set of
users) and a central claim form where everybody came to maintain claims.
Because I had written a class to encapsulate the whole into a class I could
set the whole thing up with 3 lines of code in each form:

**in the form header
Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

*** in the form OnOpen

    Set ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes = New dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes
    ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes.Init fclsfrm, Me, chkWorkComp, chkAutoRelated,
chkAccident, chkSickness, chkMaternity

Having done that, the class instance handled all of the checking as check
boxes were checked / unchecked.  There were no event sinks required in the
form for the checkboxes, and if the rules need changing just go to the class
and everything required is right there.  Class module header comments can
explain why I am doing what I am doing (Documentation!!!) all in one place.

NOTICE that the class was dimensioned WithEvents!!!

Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

What this means is that the class raises it's own event to notify the form
that the boxes had changed.  THIS is a critical concept as well, RaiseEvent
means that a class can radiate an event in case anyone cares to listen.

It turned out that Long term and Short term handled things a bit differently
and some recalculations in other fields were needed in STD forms where they
aren't needed in LTD forms.  By radiating an event saying that these check
boxes had changed, I could listen for that event in the STD initial data
entry form and do the recalcs, but ignore the event in LTD IDE.

Withevents and Raiseevents are nothing magical.  They are just an extension
of what every Access developer already knows.  But once you wrap your mind
around what it can do for you, the difference in the way you attack things
can be startling (even magical).

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi Guys:

An excellent article...Now I know what the 'withevents' and 'raiseevent' can
be used for other than passing error messages back  from a class.

Great stuff.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi all

Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
among the numerous authors:

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
This book chapter explains what it can do for you.

/gustav



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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Nov 21 16:13:27 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:13:27 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <17774621.1069449271819.JavaMail.root@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <000001c3b07c$b08782d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Thanks Drew!

I'll take a look . . .

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


persists.com They have a component called ASPEmail.  You can use it with VBA
too.  Just give it the SMTP server, and you are off and running.  It has
both a free and 'pro' versions.  The free is pretty decent, does all of the
basic email functions.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Charlotte,

You said, 'Feel free to write your own."  

I've looked at the Redemption web site, and while it's not too expensive,
all I really need is to be able to send simple emails from within Access
without the 'are you sure' dialog.  Do you know where I could learn enough
about Extended MAPI to do just this?

Thanks,
Dan Waters



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


This thread seems to be degenerating into Microsoft bashing and rant, but
let me clarify something.  The Redemption dll is NOT a control.  It is a
library that you call into, a wrapper for Extended MAPI calls. Feel free to
write your own ... Or to use a different email application ... Or to use
SMTP instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...



The Outlook security patch is a half-assed reaction to what was at the time
a big press issue.  With repeated massive virus attacks crippling mail
servers world wide, they had to appear do something for public image and if
it helped lessen the problem all the better.  This was quick and dirty and
since it was done, it stuck, but at least in later office versions you could
uncripple outlook for certain things.  Why is it half assed?

1. It is indiscriminate and broke a lot of existing and widely used
applications that hooked into outlook.  Remember that Office and vba is
supposed to be all about flexibility developing solutions.  They broke that
big time.

2. It isn't about fixing security vulnerabilites.  MS has had plenty of
security vulnerabilites and they fix those with minor patches, not wholesale
surgery on applications.  The patch doesn't stop you receiving viruses, or
running them, or them sending mail out simple inbuilt smtp engines which
most successful trojans have had for years.  By and large viruses/trojan in
this day and age do not use security vulnerabilities as their primary means
of infection.

3. And this is the kicker for me.  If redemption bypasses security by using
extended mapi, how long will it really be before some virus/trojan writer
uses extended mapi to access the address book.  Remember the majority of
viruses these days are trojans not scripts.  They don't use security
vulnerabilites to spread and infect, they use social engineering to trick
people into thinking they are from people they know.

So should I now spend US$200 on a control that may well be crippled sometime
soon as MS uses the same half baked strategy again.  If they are going to
close access to the address book why not close it the first time, and not
leave a back door that will spawn another generation of super spreading
viruses? 

It it worth trying to bypass Outlook security?  If I can bypass it with a
simple control, so any decent virus writer with half a brain can build the
same into his newest attack.

Stuart

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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, 21 November, 2003 8:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
> 
> 
> On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:
> 
> > 
> > >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that
> turns it on. (A2K)
> > Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious
> VBScript code from
> > propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your
> clients not to
> > install security patches so your email code will work?
> > 
> > 
> I'm with JC 100% on this one.
> 
> The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting
> machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's 
> not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.
> 
> It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess
> communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite 
> paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which has 
> the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing 
> applications.
> 
> Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
> (At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email
> programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about 
> it at all <VBG>)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Fri Nov 21 17:03:35 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:03:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel input range
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873063952D8@corp-es00>

If you send me a sample I will take a look at it on Monday.
regards,
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:24 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel input range


After a long day battling my way through this Excel development I am signing
off for now but in case any Excel gurus have the time, could you answer
this:

On an Excel s/sheet I have 3 combos (created with the form control). I have
nominated an input range for each (on a separate sheet). Depending on the
choice the user makes in Combo 1 and Combo 2, I need to modify the range for
Combo 3. What's the best way in Excel? I see on lots of internet samples
that quite often people set up range after range of values and nominate one
or the other as the appropriate range when the combos change, but surely
there is a more efficient way??

I have fairly simple rules from the client and I think that I should be able
to set up a grid /range of cells which hold my criteria. I can post sample
data if anyone thinks they can help.

Thanks everyone - and apologies for the Excel posts (I am also posting to
Excel sites but no luck yet). Have a great w/end.


Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
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Fax: 9505-6430
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Nov 21 17:29:50 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 09:29:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312478@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3FBF2C8E.17674.25FCCD@localhost>

On 21 Nov 2003 at 10:29, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> How are you at C or C++?  That's pretty much what you have to write
> direct calls in.  

Horsepuckey :-)

I may have mentioned PowerBasic before on this list :-)
 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 21 17:40:00 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:40:00 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275C8@main2.marlow.com>

Ya, I heard about them close to a year ago.  I had built a sitemap .asp
page, that uses Front Pages navigation file.  My initial project used VB, to
put all of the 'nodes' into a collection.  Worked like a charm, but a lot of
people wanted to use it on Red Hat Linux systems, so VB was out.  I
recreated it in strictly ASP, but I used arrays.  (Also created a php
version...my first and only php project).  I was asked why I didn't use
classes in ASP, and was taken back by that.  I soon discovered that what the
MSDN had on VB script (at least my version) was a little out of date, so I
downloaded the latest VbScript help files, and learned all about the new
commands available.

Drew

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From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Makes sense thanks.  I just found out about VBS classes a short while ago in
a pretty good ASP book by O'Reilly Press "Designing Active Server Pages" by
Scott Mitchell (I think he's the 4gusfromfolla.com guy).

Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Good question.  Because I do exactly that 99% of the time.  But every once
in a while, I get hit with an ASP job running on a non-IIS server (or an IIS
server that I don't have sufficient access to register ActiveX .dll's).
Case in point, my latest project is just that.  I think the hosting company
is running Red Hat, with ASP support.  So I can write ASP, but I can't use
custom VB .dll's.  I was building sort of a 'cross-tab' query, of sorts
(price matrix....from row, column, and data tables), and was left with the
choice of either running back and forth through a couple recordset objects,
or just building a few classes, put them in Dictionary objects (which is a
collection), and 'keying' them with the references I need to pull them up
when I need them.

Worked great.

Granted, would MUCH rather deal with VB, but in this particular case (and a
few others I've run into), I get to stretch the limits of ASP itself! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Drew,

Can I ask why you'd want to get into VBScript classes when you can just as
easily compile your code in VB and reference it from your web app?

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Well put.  It took me a little bit to catch onto building my own classes,
and using events.  Now it is just second nature, and I am boggled at what I
did before!

The real fun I've had lately is using VBScript's 'version' of a
Class/collection.  Slightly different, but still pretty adequate.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Thank you, thank you, (takes a deep bow).  <grin>

As you can see it was actually a chapter in a book.  I had some pretty
nitpicky tech editors going at it and in the end, one of them still just
didn't understand the whole thing.  That really isn't surprising however, it
took me three passes at Shamil's stuff on his web site before I finally "got
it".  Now I look back and scratch my head wondering why - the basic stuff is
just dead simple.

I really think it's the concept of an event being radiated and ANY class can
listen if the programmer knows how to set it up that threw me.  We all come
from the idea that a control BELONGS to a form and only the form can hear
it's events, and nothing in Access ever tells us otherwise.  Then along
comes withevents which tells us that every event generated by any object can
be picked up in any class anywhere (on the same machine), whether in a form,
a different form, or just a class loaded by some piece of code somewhere.
If the listener has dimmed an instance of that KIND of object (lets say a
combo) and received a pointer to the exact object (combo) that it wants to
listen to, then it can receive control when that object's events fire.

I built a class (as mentioned in this chapter) for a real client, an
insurance company. They had a business rule that they modeled with a set of
5 check boxes.  These check boxes tied directly to 5 Boolean fields in a
table.  The check boxes were inter-related, one meant the claim was a
maternity claim, an accident, an illness, was auto related or was workers
comp.

It sounds weird I know but that's one of the ways they sorted and looked at
their claims.  So the SET of checkboxes had to be handled as an entity, they
interrelated.  An accident was NOT an illness.  A maternity claim WAS an
illness and was NOT an accident.  Auto related WAS an accident and NOT an
illness.  And then there were rules as to which of the above could be
workers comp.

In order to prevent data entry errors, I needed to do checking as they
clicked check boxes.  If they clicked auto, I checked the accident and
cleared the illness and maternity, if they clicked the maternity, I cleared
the auto and accident and set the illness.  Etc.

In order to encapsulate this whole thing into a SYSTEM that was an
integrated whole, I built a class, passed in a pointer to all five check
boxes, and sank the click event for each check box.  I then built all of the
code to do this checking as a private function inside the class.

It turns out that I needed an identical set of 5 checkboxes in three
different forms - an Initial Data Entry (IDE) form for Long Term Disability
(a set of users), another IDE for Short Term Disability (a different set of
users) and a central claim form where everybody came to maintain claims.
Because I had written a class to encapsulate the whole into a class I could
set the whole thing up with 3 lines of code in each form:

**in the form header
Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

*** in the form OnOpen

    Set ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes = New dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes
    ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes.Init fclsfrm, Me, chkWorkComp, chkAutoRelated,
chkAccident, chkSickness, chkMaternity

Having done that, the class instance handled all of the checking as check
boxes were checked / unchecked.  There were no event sinks required in the
form for the checkboxes, and if the rules need changing just go to the class
and everything required is right there.  Class module header comments can
explain why I am doing what I am doing (Documentation!!!) all in one place.

NOTICE that the class was dimensioned WithEvents!!!

Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

What this means is that the class raises it's own event to notify the form
that the boxes had changed.  THIS is a critical concept as well, RaiseEvent
means that a class can radiate an event in case anyone cares to listen.

It turned out that Long term and Short term handled things a bit differently
and some recalculations in other fields were needed in STD forms where they
aren't needed in LTD forms.  By radiating an event saying that these check
boxes had changed, I could listen for that event in the STD initial data
entry form and do the recalcs, but ignore the event in LTD IDE.

Withevents and Raiseevents are nothing magical.  They are just an extension
of what every Access developer already knows.  But once you wrap your mind
around what it can do for you, the difference in the way you attack things
can be startling (even magical).

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi Guys:

An excellent article...Now I know what the 'withevents' and 'raiseevent' can
be used for other than passing error messages back  from a class.

Great stuff.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi all

Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
among the numerous authors:

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
This book chapter explains what it can do for you.

/gustav



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Nov 21 18:03:08 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:03:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312479@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I'm just repeating what Microsoft said about it.  If you can do it in
PowerBasic go right ahead.  You can certainly build dlls in VB too, but
apparently, not for Extended MAPI wrappers.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] 
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


On 21 Nov 2003 at 10:29, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> How are you at C or C++?  That's pretty much what you have to write 
> direct calls in.

Horsepuckey :-)

I may have mentioned PowerBasic before on this list :-)
 
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From jmhla at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 21 19:10:23 2003
From: jmhla at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:10:23 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
In-Reply-To: <20031120094744.1147728671.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000101c3b095$68d6a920$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>

The action pack is office and many servers.

What to order depends on your nee

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack


Dear Group,

No, it isn't a video game. It's a Not-For-Distribution packet containing
just about every Microsoft application under the sun. It looked to me
first like it was like an MSDN Universal subscription, except much
cheaper. Has anyone here taken advantage of this? Sorry if you've seen
this before:

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack/actionpackus.aspx


Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 21 19:34:18 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:34:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEDC@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKKEHKHOAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Erwin,

<<It's ment for the typical dealer/reseller/network integrator and not for
the developer.>>

  In other words, sales and marketing<g>

<<Does the MSDN includes OS software like Exchange server, Isa Server, SQL
server, Small Business server etc?>>

  Yes, depending on subscription level

<<I believe MSDN is more expensive too?>>

  Quite a bit.  Retail on a Universal sub is just under $3000, but can be
found from resellers for $1200 or so.  The top level Action Pack is $300 or
$400.  Don't remember which.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack


Action pack is not solely to sales and marketing, but apart from the OS
software it also includes demo's and sales/marketing tools.
It's ment for the typical dealer/reseller/network integrator and not for the
developer.

Does the MSDN includes OS software like Exchange server, Isa Server, SQL
server, Small Business server etc?

I believe MSDN is more expensive too?


Erwin

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Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack

Steve,

<<If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious. MSDN Universal
includes everything. Why would you want the Action Pack?>>

  As I said, the Action Pack is geared towards marketing and sales.  It's a
different focus.  The only reason software is in there is to help you
explore new areas of technology.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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Erbach
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack


Jim,

>> I've been on it a little over two years. ?I have a MSDN Universal
subscription as well. <<

If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious. MSDN Universal
includes everything. Why would you want the Action Pack?

>> And to answer your question, no because technically your not buying
>> the
Developers Edition and the license to distribute.  Could you?  Yes.  What
Microsoft care?  Probably not. <<

Thanks for the interp.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From caa at highway.com.br  Fri Nov 21 20:26:11 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 00:26:11 -0200
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
	one machine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEBGFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEBGFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <opry0o1xogeuy8y3@localhost>

Just Access 2000...
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Nov 22 06:53:30 2003
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 07:53:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD]  Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
 on	one machine? X Posted
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275AF@main2.marlow.com>
	<BAY8-DAV41FgX4VMWf700006095@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3FBF5C4A.1050502@torchlake.com>

I have 4 machines -
WIN3.1 has A2
WIN95 has A95
WIN98 has A97 and A2K
WINXP has AXP

Most of my stuff was A97, A2K, and AXP.  Migration from A97 --> A2K --> 
AXP is commonly happening.
I did precious little in A2, and virtually nothing in A95 - I'm just not 
very good at throwing things away (I might need it SOMETIME)

Tina



Greg Smith wrote:

>I have Access97 ODE and Access XP (used to have Access97 ODE, 2000 and XP,
>but new computer and 2000 was toast).
>
>Most of my clients are still using Access 97.  Hinting at changing to XP,
>but now 2003 is out so they'll probably wait until I clear their apps
>through it.  Sigh.  This is never going to end.
>
>Greg Smith
>weeden1949 at hotmail.com
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From mmaddison at optusnet.com.au  Sat Nov 22 08:11:08 2003
From: mmaddison at optusnet.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 01:11:08 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEEEJENAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <JIELLFDJKMAGJJMDIMIIEEENAFAB.mmaddison@optusnet.com.au>

I have a client who did the disallow zip thing, they are over it now :-)
The av software they were using at the time would also strip the contents of
zip files, then it started disallowing zip files all together.  I started
changing
the extension, it would work once then fail.  I started working my way
through
the alphabet .aaa .aab etc etc  LOL
This only lasted a couple of weeks, as no one in their company ended up
being
able to send attachments.

cheers

Michael M


Oh, yes, there always have to have some people that overdo everything,
beside scanning .mdb how about not allowing .zip extensions in email?! Then
of course you have people who resort to changing the file extension on your
zipped files to .txt and instructing the person on other end to change it
back. That's good covenient security.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:39 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
>
>
> Depends on what file extensions are scanned on a network server. I keep
> a special stick to poke network guys who insist on scanning ldb and mdb
> file types among others. Scanning a 300MB file on-access can bring
> things to a grinding halt.
>
> Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>
> >On 20 Nov 2003 at 20:40, John W. Colby wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Stuart,
> >>
> >>I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The unfortunate
> >>reality is that there are millions of machines out there used
> by individuals
> >>in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run
> virus checkers.
> >>THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that
> they only screw
> >>up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has
> no place in a
> >>business where they should be running AV software.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Which brings us on to another question, prompted recently by a
> >client.
> >
> >What is your option on running anti-virus software on network
> >servers?
> >(Assuming that you do run on-access scanning software on the
> >workstations)
> >
> >Note:
> >X-posted to <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> >All follow ups to that list only. Please!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
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> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sat Nov 22 08:23:19 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 06:23:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
References: <JIELLFDJKMAGJJMDIMIIEEENAFAB.mmaddison@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <001901c3b104$2e132ce0$650a6351@martin1>

Thats just how we do it in work. PITA but gets us past the email people.

Martin


> Oh, yes, there always have to have some people that overdo everything,
> beside scanning .mdb how about not allowing .zip extensions in email?!
Then
> of course you have people who resort to changing the file extension on
your
> zipped files to .txt and instructing the person on other end to change it
> back. That's good covenient security.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:39 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> >
> >
> > Depends on what file extensions are scanned on a network server. I keep
> > a special stick to poke network guys who insist on scanning ldb and mdb
> > file types among others. Scanning a 300MB file on-access can bring
> > things to a grinding halt.
> >
> > Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> >
> > >On 20 Nov 2003 at 20:40, John W. Colby wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Stuart,
> > >>
> > >>I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The unfortunate
> > >>reality is that there are millions of machines out there used
> > by individuals
> > >>in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run
> > virus checkers.
> > >>THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that
> > they only screw
> > >>up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has
> > no place in a
> > >>business where they should be running AV software.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >Which brings us on to another question, prompted recently by a
> > >client.
> > >
> > >What is your option on running anti-virus software on network
> > >servers?
> > >(Assuming that you do run on-access scanning software on the
> > >workstations)
> > >
> > >Note:
> > >X-posted to <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >All follow ups to that list only. Please!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
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> > Victoria, B.C.
> > Canada
> >
> >
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From john at winhaven.net  Sat Nov 22 10:02:36 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:02:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
In-Reply-To: <001901c3b104$2e132ce0$650a6351@martin1>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEPIFFAA.john@winhaven.net>

That's a shame.

I would think that security and productivity should have at least equal
priority in the work place :o)

For true security to ever happen the email security people are going to have
to start identifying what's in a zip file rather than the fact that its a
zip file. Most AV scanners can already scan zip contents so I would think
that if a message came through with a zip attachment that the zip
attachment's contents could be scanned for problems rather than just
assuming that its a problem because its a zip. Even if they pulled the email
aside and processed it out of stream rather than doing it directly and
clogging up the system it would be preferable to just deleting it!

Hey Drew can Trend Micro's system do that?

Of course if they scan the zip - then .mdbs can't be considered dangerous
either. FMS has a free virus scanner for .mdbs I wonder if its worthwhile?
If one could write a script to scan .mdbs with FMS AV scanner it could
eliminating the whole annoying process of not allowing .mdb attachments. (Of
course I always zip my mdbs because they usually compress about 80% so I'm
back to the first argument...   now I'm just babbling...
:o)

What say we get some big company to put a bounty out on the heads of virus
writers?
;o)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
>
>
> Thats just how we do it in work. PITA but gets us past the email people.
>
> Martin
>
>
> > Oh, yes, there always have to have some people that overdo everything,
> > beside scanning .mdb how about not allowing .zip extensions in email?!
> Then
> > of course you have people who resort to changing the file extension on
> your
> > zipped files to .txt and instructing the person on other end to
> change it
> > back. That's good covenient security.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> MartyConnelly
> > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:39 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> > >
> > >
> > > Depends on what file extensions are scanned on a network
> server. I keep
> > > a special stick to poke network guys who insist on scanning
> ldb and mdb
> > > file types among others. Scanning a 300MB file on-access can bring
> > > things to a grinding halt.
> > >
> > > Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > >
> > > >On 20 Nov 2003 at 20:40, John W. Colby wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Stuart,
> > > >>
> > > >>I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The
> unfortunate
> > > >>reality is that there are millions of machines out there used
> > > by individuals
> > > >>in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run
> > > virus checkers.
> > > >>THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that
> > > they only screw
> > > >>up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has
> > > no place in a
> > > >>business where they should be running AV software.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Which brings us on to another question, prompted recently by a
> > > >client.
> > > >
> > > >What is your option on running anti-virus software on network
> > > >servers?
> > > >(Assuming that you do run on-access scanning software on the
> > > >workstations)
> > > >
> > > >Note:
> > > >X-posted to <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >All follow ups to that list only. Please!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Marty Connelly
> > > Victoria, B.C.
> > > Canada
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Nov 22 11:03:20 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 09:03:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
Message-ID: <007c01c3b11a$87f19b50$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Cross posting from dba-tech.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "dba-tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:34 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Color Laser


Hello:

I'm writing a manual now into which I've dropped a lot of screen shots.
They look much better in color than in black and white.  I think that having
Kinko's do these on their color laser might be cost prohibitive.  The manual
will be about 150+ pages when done and of course, not all of the pages will
require color, although they'll have to charge the color cost for every
page.

So now I'm thinking about a color laser printer.  Ink jet would be far too
slow if I have to make these manuals in the quantity I'm praying will be
necessary.

Does anyone have any experience or advice on color laser printers?

TIA,

Rocky
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 22 12:57:07 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:57:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Link child / master field fails in subsubform
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEMAFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I have a db where the subform pulls the correct records using ling child /
master field properties, but the subsub form fails to follow the subform,
i.e. it pulls a set associated with the parent form but not associated with
the first subform.

Agency / contract / assignment.  As I move through agency records I see the
contract change.  I also see the assignment change, but as I move through
the contracts the assignments don't change.

I have seen this before, and worked around it by just replacing the link
properties with query filters in the subform.

Has anyone seen a bug fix for this?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com



From serbach at new.rr.com  Sat Nov 22 16:51:43 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:51:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
Message-ID: <20031122165143.1349102459.serbach@new.rr.com>

Rocky,

>> Does anyone have any experience or advice on color laser printers? <<

I googled a few printer review web sites. Good reviews for the HP 4600 and the Xerox/Tektronix Phaser 6250. These are mid-level priced color lasers.

I have a long history with HP printers, but that Xerox looks awfully good.

http://www.printershowcase.com/printer_reviews_xerox6250.asp

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

Disclaimer: No tree was killed in the transmission of this message. However, several coulombs of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced.


From davesharpe2 at cox.net  Sat Nov 22 17:11:55 2003
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net (Dave Sharpe)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:11:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
References: <007c01c3b11a$87f19b50$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <004601c3b14e$05c33330$dd2f0a44@bcsext6137>

Rocky

I don't know the qtys involved or the kinko options; but a couple of
general thoughts.

Many ( all? or most? ) printing packages have page number options
- ex
1,5,10-12,25,35  print color
2-4,6-9,13-24,26-34,36-150 print b&w
( if they can't or will not, make two files and polulate them with Your
existing pages; to end up with one color doc and one b&w doc.

Is copying color less expensive that printing? If yes print once then
copy to complete the order.

Dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 12:03 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser


Cross posting from dba-tech.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "dba-tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:34 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Color Laser


Hello:

I'm writing a manual now into which I've dropped a lot of screen shots.
They look much better in color than in black and white.  I think that having
Kinko's do these on their color laser might be cost prohibitive.  The manual
will be about 150+ pages when done and of course, not all of the pages will
require color, although they'll have to charge the color cost for every
page.

So now I'm thinking about a color laser printer.  Ink jet would be far too
slow if I have to make these manuals in the quantity I'm praying will be
necessary.

Does anyone have any experience or advice on color laser printers?

TIA,

Rocky
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Nov 22 18:59:18 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:59:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
References: <20031122165143.1349102459.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <00fe01c3b15d$05ebf310$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

$2000 bucks, whew.  Could get a lot of manuals at Kinko's for that.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven W. Erbach" <serbach at new.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser


> Rocky,
>
> >> Does anyone have any experience or advice on color laser printers? <<
>
> I googled a few printer review web sites. Good reviews for the HP 4600 and
the Xerox/Tektronix Phaser 6250. These are mid-level priced color lasers.
>
> I have a long history with HP printers, but that Xerox looks awfully good.
>
> http://www.printershowcase.com/printer_reviews_xerox6250.asp
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Scientific Marketing
> Neenah, WI
>
> Disclaimer: No tree was killed in the transmission of this message.
However, several coulombs of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced.
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sat Nov 22 19:24:06 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:24:06 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275CD@main2.marlow.com>

Yes, ScanMail will scan the files within a zip file.  You can even set how
deep you want it to scan (for zips within zips).  I think we are set to 5
levels.  We have never blocked .zip files, and I certainly don't plan on
starting.  We do block any extension that can be run off the bat, such as
.exe, .com, .bat, etc.  Those are blocked simply as a buffer, since brand
new viruses aren't caught until Trend updates their patterns (which they do
pretty fast).  Once a virus is in the pattern though, it will strip it out
of zip files.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]


That's a shame.

I would think that security and productivity should have at least equal
priority in the work place :o)

For true security to ever happen the email security people are going to have
to start identifying what's in a zip file rather than the fact that its a
zip file. Most AV scanners can already scan zip contents so I would think
that if a message came through with a zip attachment that the zip
attachment's contents could be scanned for problems rather than just
assuming that its a problem because its a zip. Even if they pulled the email
aside and processed it out of stream rather than doing it directly and
clogging up the system it would be preferable to just deleting it!

Hey Drew can Trend Micro's system do that?

Of course if they scan the zip - then .mdbs can't be considered dangerous
either. FMS has a free virus scanner for .mdbs I wonder if its worthwhile?
If one could write a script to scan .mdbs with FMS AV scanner it could
eliminating the whole annoying process of not allowing .mdb attachments. (Of
course I always zip my mdbs because they usually compress about 80% so I'm
back to the first argument...   now I'm just babbling...
:o)

What say we get some big company to put a bounty out on the heads of virus
writers?
;o)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
>
>
> Thats just how we do it in work. PITA but gets us past the email people.
>
> Martin
>
>
> > Oh, yes, there always have to have some people that overdo everything,
> > beside scanning .mdb how about not allowing .zip extensions in email?!
> Then
> > of course you have people who resort to changing the file extension on
> your
> > zipped files to .txt and instructing the person on other end to
> change it
> > back. That's good covenient security.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> MartyConnelly
> > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:39 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> > >
> > >
> > > Depends on what file extensions are scanned on a network
> server. I keep
> > > a special stick to poke network guys who insist on scanning
> ldb and mdb
> > > file types among others. Scanning a 300MB file on-access can bring
> > > things to a grinding halt.
> > >
> > > Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > >
> > > >On 20 Nov 2003 at 20:40, John W. Colby wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Stuart,
> > > >>
> > > >>I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The
> unfortunate
> > > >>reality is that there are millions of machines out there used
> > > by individuals
> > > >>in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run
> > > virus checkers.
> > > >>THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that
> > > they only screw
> > > >>up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has
> > > no place in a
> > > >>business where they should be running AV software.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Which brings us on to another question, prompted recently by a
> > > >client.
> > > >
> > > >What is your option on running anti-virus software on network
> > > >servers?
> > > >(Assuming that you do run on-access scanning software on the
> > > >workstations)
> > > >
> > > >Note:
> > > >X-posted to <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >All follow ups to that list only. Please!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Marty Connelly
> > > Victoria, B.C.
> > > Canada
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net  Sat Nov 22 20:04:41 2003
From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (jmoss111)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:04:41 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
References: <007c01c3b11a$87f19b50$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <004f01c3b166$281e70d0$64a39a44@hive>

Rocky,

I did a little investigation a few years ago, and the cost of consumables
for I think 5% coverage was something like $0.66 per page. Add to that the
price of a printer and it makes Kinko's look much more attractive. Then you
have to add the cost of assembling, binding and shipping the manual which
makes it a pretty expensive proposition. Most manuals that I have seen still
use monochrome screen shots.

Why not just include the manual in .pdf format and let the customer decide
whether they get color or monochrome manuals, if they decide to print them
at all.

Jim
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:03 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser


> Cross posting from dba-tech.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: "dba-tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:34 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Color Laser
>
>
> Hello:
>
> I'm writing a manual now into which I've dropped a lot of screen shots.
> They look much better in color than in black and white.  I think that
having
> Kinko's do these on their color laser might be cost prohibitive.  The
manual
> will be about 150+ pages when done and of course, not all of the pages
will
> require color, although they'll have to charge the color cost for every
> page.
>
> So now I'm thinking about a color laser printer.  Ink jet would be far too
> slow if I have to make these manuals in the quantity I'm praying will be
> necessary.
>
> Does anyone have any experience or advice on color laser printers?
>
> TIA,
>
> Rocky
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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From john at winhaven.net  Sat Nov 22 20:27:28 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:27:28 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
In-Reply-To: <20031122165143.1349102459.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEFEENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Phaser printers rock!

If you have the bucks.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
> Erbach
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 4:52 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
>
>
> Rocky,
>
> >> Does anyone have any experience or advice on color laser printers? <<
>
> I googled a few printer review web sites. Good reviews for the HP
> 4600 and the Xerox/Tektronix Phaser 6250. These are mid-level
> priced color lasers.
>
> I have a long history with HP printers, but that Xerox looks awfully good.
>
> http://www.printershowcase.com/printer_reviews_xerox6250.asp
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Scientific Marketing
> Neenah, WI
>
> Disclaimer: No tree was killed in the transmission of this
> message. However, several coulombs of electrons were temporarily
> inconvenienced.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From john at winhaven.net  Sat Nov 22 20:32:05 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:32:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275CD@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEFFENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Drew,
Thanks for the info, sounds like a rock solid server app.

jb

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 7:24 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
>
>
> Yes, ScanMail will scan the files within a zip file.  You can even set how
> deep you want it to scan (for zips within zips).  I think we are set to 5
> levels.  We have never blocked .zip files, and I certainly don't plan on
> starting.  We do block any extension that can be run off the bat, such as
> .exe, .com, .bat, etc.  Those are blocked simply as a buffer, since brand
> new viruses aren't caught until Trend updates their patterns
> (which they do
> pretty fast).  Once a virus is in the pattern though, it will strip it out
> of zip files.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:03 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
>
>
> That's a shame.
>
> I would think that security and productivity should have at least equal
> priority in the work place :o)
>
> For true security to ever happen the email security people are
> going to have
> to start identifying what's in a zip file rather than the fact that its a
> zip file. Most AV scanners can already scan zip contents so I would think
> that if a message came through with a zip attachment that the zip
> attachment's contents could be scanned for problems rather than just
> assuming that its a problem because its a zip. Even if they
> pulled the email
> aside and processed it out of stream rather than doing it directly and
> clogging up the system it would be preferable to just deleting it!
>
> Hey Drew can Trend Micro's system do that?
>
> Of course if they scan the zip - then .mdbs can't be considered dangerous
> either. FMS has a free virus scanner for .mdbs I wonder if its worthwhile?
> If one could write a script to scan .mdbs with FMS AV scanner it could
> eliminating the whole annoying process of not allowing .mdb
> attachments. (Of
> course I always zip my mdbs because they usually compress about 80% so I'm
> back to the first argument...   now I'm just babbling...
> :o)
>
> What say we get some big company to put a bounty out on the heads of virus
> writers?
> ;o)
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:23 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> >
> >
> > Thats just how we do it in work. PITA but gets us past the email people.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> > > Oh, yes, there always have to have some people that overdo everything,
> > > beside scanning .mdb how about not allowing .zip extensions in email?!
> > Then
> > > of course you have people who resort to changing the file extension on
> > your
> > > zipped files to .txt and instructing the person on other end to
> > change it
> > > back. That's good covenient security.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > MartyConnelly
> > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:39 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Depends on what file extensions are scanned on a network
> > server. I keep
> > > > a special stick to poke network guys who insist on scanning
> > ldb and mdb
> > > > file types among others. Scanning a 300MB file on-access can bring
> > > > things to a grinding halt.
> > > >
> > > > Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >On 20 Nov 2003 at 20:40, John W. Colby wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>Stuart,
> > > > >>
> > > > >>I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The
> > unfortunate
> > > > >>reality is that there are millions of machines out there used
> > > > by individuals
> > > > >>in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run
> > > > virus checkers.
> > > > >>THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that
> > > > they only screw
> > > > >>up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has
> > > > no place in a
> > > > >>business where they should be running AV software.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >Which brings us on to another question, prompted recently by a
> > > > >client.
> > > > >
> > > > >What is your option on running anti-virus software on network
> > > > >servers?
> > > > >(Assuming that you do run on-access scanning software on the
> > > > >workstations)
> > > > >
> > > > >Note:
> > > > >X-posted to <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > >All follow ups to that list only. Please!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Marty Connelly
> > > > Victoria, B.C.
> > > > Canada
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> > > >
> > >
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sat Nov 22 20:38:44 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:38:44 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275CE@main2.marlow.com>

I love everything we use from Trend, with the exception of eManager, which
is a spam blocking 'add-in' for ScanMail.  Don't get me wrong, it works, as
well as most of the stuff I've seen out there, but that's the problem.  It's
not stellar! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]


Drew,
Thanks for the info, sounds like a rock solid server app.

jb

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 7:24 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
>
>
> Yes, ScanMail will scan the files within a zip file.  You can even set how
> deep you want it to scan (for zips within zips).  I think we are set to 5
> levels.  We have never blocked .zip files, and I certainly don't plan on
> starting.  We do block any extension that can be run off the bat, such as
> .exe, .com, .bat, etc.  Those are blocked simply as a buffer, since brand
> new viruses aren't caught until Trend updates their patterns
> (which they do
> pretty fast).  Once a virus is in the pattern though, it will strip it out
> of zip files.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:03 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
>
>
> That's a shame.
>
> I would think that security and productivity should have at least equal
> priority in the work place :o)
>
> For true security to ever happen the email security people are
> going to have
> to start identifying what's in a zip file rather than the fact that its a
> zip file. Most AV scanners can already scan zip contents so I would think
> that if a message came through with a zip attachment that the zip
> attachment's contents could be scanned for problems rather than just
> assuming that its a problem because its a zip. Even if they
> pulled the email
> aside and processed it out of stream rather than doing it directly and
> clogging up the system it would be preferable to just deleting it!
>
> Hey Drew can Trend Micro's system do that?
>
> Of course if they scan the zip - then .mdbs can't be considered dangerous
> either. FMS has a free virus scanner for .mdbs I wonder if its worthwhile?
> If one could write a script to scan .mdbs with FMS AV scanner it could
> eliminating the whole annoying process of not allowing .mdb
> attachments. (Of
> course I always zip my mdbs because they usually compress about 80% so I'm
> back to the first argument...   now I'm just babbling...
> :o)
>
> What say we get some big company to put a bounty out on the heads of virus
> writers?
> ;o)
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:23 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> >
> >
> > Thats just how we do it in work. PITA but gets us past the email people.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> > > Oh, yes, there always have to have some people that overdo everything,
> > > beside scanning .mdb how about not allowing .zip extensions in email?!
> > Then
> > > of course you have people who resort to changing the file extension on
> > your
> > > zipped files to .txt and instructing the person on other end to
> > change it
> > > back. That's good covenient security.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > MartyConnelly
> > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:39 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Depends on what file extensions are scanned on a network
> > server. I keep
> > > > a special stick to poke network guys who insist on scanning
> > ldb and mdb
> > > > file types among others. Scanning a 300MB file on-access can bring
> > > > things to a grinding halt.
> > > >
> > > > Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >On 20 Nov 2003 at 20:40, John W. Colby wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>Stuart,
> > > > >>
> > > > >>I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The
> > unfortunate
> > > > >>reality is that there are millions of machines out there used
> > > > by individuals
> > > > >>in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run
> > > > virus checkers.
> > > > >>THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that
> > > > they only screw
> > > > >>up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has
> > > > no place in a
> > > > >>business where they should be running AV software.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >Which brings us on to another question, prompted recently by a
> > > > >client.
> > > > >
> > > > >What is your option on running anti-virus software on network
> > > > >servers?
> > > > >(Assuming that you do run on-access scanning software on the
> > > > >workstations)
> > > > >
> > > > >Note:
> > > > >X-posted to <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > >All follow ups to that list only. Please!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Marty Connelly
> > > > Victoria, B.C.
> > > > Canada
> > > >
> > > >
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From john at winhaven.net  Sat Nov 22 20:46:08 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:46:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275CE@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEFGENAA.john@winhaven.net>

I guess the only server app I was ever that happy with was Diskeeper
defragger. I needed it because almost all of the NT4WS I had on the network
were used for apps that caused massive fragging. It worked great. As Ron
Popeil would say "I just set it and forget" and it ran for years that way
every night.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
>
>
> I love everything we use from Trend, with the exception of eManager, which
> is a spam blocking 'add-in' for ScanMail.  Don't get me wrong, it
> works, as
> well as most of the stuff I've seen out there, but that's the
> problem.  It's
> not stellar! <grin>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
>
>
> Drew,
> Thanks for the info, sounds like a rock solid server app.
>
> jb
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 7:24 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> >
> >
> > Yes, ScanMail will scan the files within a zip file.  You can
> even set how
> > deep you want it to scan (for zips within zips).  I think we
> are set to 5
> > levels.  We have never blocked .zip files, and I certainly don't plan on
> > starting.  We do block any extension that can be run off the
> bat, such as
> > .exe, .com, .bat, etc.  Those are blocked simply as a buffer,
> since brand
> > new viruses aren't caught until Trend updates their patterns
> > (which they do
> > pretty fast).  Once a virus is in the pattern though, it will
> strip it out
> > of zip files.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:03 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> >
> >
> > That's a shame.
> >
> > I would think that security and productivity should have at least equal
> > priority in the work place :o)
> >
> > For true security to ever happen the email security people are
> > going to have
> > to start identifying what's in a zip file rather than the fact
> that its a
> > zip file. Most AV scanners can already scan zip contents so I
> would think
> > that if a message came through with a zip attachment that the zip
> > attachment's contents could be scanned for problems rather than just
> > assuming that its a problem because its a zip. Even if they
> > pulled the email
> > aside and processed it out of stream rather than doing it directly and
> > clogging up the system it would be preferable to just deleting it!
> >
> > Hey Drew can Trend Micro's system do that?
> >
> > Of course if they scan the zip - then .mdbs can't be considered
> dangerous
> > either. FMS has a free virus scanner for .mdbs I wonder if its
> worthwhile?
> > If one could write a script to scan .mdbs with FMS AV scanner it could
> > eliminating the whole annoying process of not allowing .mdb
> > attachments. (Of
> > course I always zip my mdbs because they usually compress about
> 80% so I'm
> > back to the first argument...   now I'm just babbling...
> > :o)
> >
> > What say we get some big company to put a bounty out on the
> heads of virus
> > writers?
> > ;o)
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:23 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> > >
> > >
> > > Thats just how we do it in work. PITA but gets us past the
> email people.
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > >
> > > > Oh, yes, there always have to have some people that overdo
> everything,
> > > > beside scanning .mdb how about not allowing .zip extensions
> in email?!
> > > Then
> > > > of course you have people who resort to changing the file
> extension on
> > > your
> > > > zipped files to .txt and instructing the person on other end to
> > > change it
> > > > back. That's good covenient security.
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > > MartyConnelly
> > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:39 AM
> > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was
> Redemption DLL ]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Depends on what file extensions are scanned on a network
> > > server. I keep
> > > > > a special stick to poke network guys who insist on scanning
> > > ldb and mdb
> > > > > file types among others. Scanning a 300MB file on-access can bring
> > > > > things to a grinding halt.
> > > > >
> > > > > Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >On 20 Nov 2003 at 20:40, John W. Colby wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>Stuart,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The
> > > unfortunate
> > > > > >>reality is that there are millions of machines out there used
> > > > > by individuals
> > > > > >>in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run
> > > > > virus checkers.
> > > > > >>THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that
> > > > > they only screw
> > > > > >>up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has
> > > > > no place in a
> > > > > >>business where they should be running AV software.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Which brings us on to another question, prompted recently by a
> > > > > >client.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >What is your option on running anti-virus software on network
> > > > > >servers?
> > > > > >(Assuming that you do run on-access scanning software on the
> > > > > >workstations)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Note:
> > > > > >X-posted to <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > >All follow ups to that list only. Please!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Marty Connelly
> > > > > Victoria, B.C.
> > > > > Canada
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > >
> > > > >
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Nov 22 21:23:23 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:23:23 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
References: <007c01c3b11a$87f19b50$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<004f01c3b166$281e70d0$64a39a44@hive>
Message-ID: <010801c3b171$271675b0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Rats.  I really want a color laser printer.  This was my big opportunity to
create a flimsy rationalization for one.  You're probably right though.
Color copying will be cheaper.

There are some marketing reasons, however, why I want to deliver the
software with a manual.  But I was always a slow adopter.  Maybe that's the
right way to go.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jmoss111" <jmoss111 at bellsouth.net>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser


> Rocky,
>
> I did a little investigation a few years ago, and the cost of consumables
> for I think 5% coverage was something like $0.66 per page. Add to that the
> price of a printer and it makes Kinko's look much more attractive. Then
you
> have to add the cost of assembling, binding and shipping the manual which
> makes it a pretty expensive proposition. Most manuals that I have seen
still
> use monochrome screen shots.
>
> Why not just include the manual in .pdf format and let the customer decide
> whether they get color or monochrome manuals, if they decide to print them
> at all.
>
> Jim
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:03 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
>
>
> > Cross posting from dba-tech.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: "dba-tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:34 AM
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Color Laser
> >
> >
> > Hello:
> >
> > I'm writing a manual now into which I've dropped a lot of screen shots.
> > They look much better in color than in black and white.  I think that
> having
> > Kinko's do these on their color laser might be cost prohibitive.  The
> manual
> > will be about 150+ pages when done and of course, not all of the pages
> will
> > require color, although they'll have to charge the color cost for every
> > page.
> >
> > So now I'm thinking about a color laser printer.  Ink jet would be far
too
> > slow if I have to make these manuals in the quantity I'm praying will be
> > necessary.
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience or advice on color laser printers?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Rocky
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From ebarro at afsweb.com  Sat Nov 22 21:23:49 2003
From: ebarro at afsweb.com (Eric Barro)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:23:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
In-Reply-To: <20031122165143.1349102459.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <DPEGIFJOAFKLEDNNDGHCIEODFKAA.ebarro@afsweb.com>

I've worked with Tektronix Phaser printers and they have excellent output. The consumables were killing us though. As an alternative we now have a SAVIN SLP38c color printer. The company that sold us the printer takes care of the consumables and maintenance as part of the contract. I believe it's $1.00 per page for this kind of arrangement. The printed output is close enough to the Tektronix and the speed of printing beats the Tektronix hands down.

---
Eric Barro
Senior Systems Analyst
Advanced Field Services
(208) 772-7060
http://www.afsweb.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 2:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser


Rocky,

>> Does anyone have any experience or advice on color laser printers? <<

I googled a few printer review web sites. Good reviews for the HP 4600 and the Xerox/Tektronix Phaser 6250. These are mid-level priced color lasers.

I have a long history with HP printers, but that Xerox looks awfully good.

http://www.printershowcase.com/printer_reviews_xerox6250.asp

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From tomk at multiline.com.au  Sat Nov 22 21:41:22 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 11:41:22 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEFEENAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <002301c3b173$af490720$0300a8c0@print>

I use eight Tekronix(Xerox) Phaser 860's in my business ...brilliant printer
for my application and the beauty of the 860 (also the 840 and 850) is that
black ink is FREE.  You only pay for colour ink

Unlike inkjet printers the finish to the printed page looks as though it was
offset printed and glossy ....I think also the 860 came with duplexing as
standard (although check that) I always buy duplexing as its essential for
my application

You can still buy the 860 new although they would be scarce now as the model
was superseded a couple of years ago...I managed to pick 3 up a few months
ago with full warranty etc.....

If you are stuck ....or only want to print one or two ....send me a PDF of
your manual and I would be happy to print it for you .... I can courier it
to you. (you could advertise PRINTED INTERNATIONALLY<grin>)

Regards

Tom Keatley




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:27 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser


> Phaser printers rock!
>
> If you have the bucks.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
> > Erbach
> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 4:52 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> >
> >
> > Rocky,
> >
> > >> Does anyone have any experience or advice on color laser printers? <<
> >
> > I googled a few printer review web sites. Good reviews for the HP
> > 4600 and the Xerox/Tektronix Phaser 6250. These are mid-level
> > priced color lasers.
> >
> > I have a long history with HP printers, but that Xerox looks awfully
good.
> >
> > http://www.printershowcase.com/printer_reviews_xerox6250.asp
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Steve Erbach
> > Scientific Marketing
> > Neenah, WI
> >
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Nov 22 22:39:42 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:39:42 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
References: <DPEGIFJOAFKLEDNNDGHCIEODFKAA.ebarro@afsweb.com>
Message-ID: <015b01c3b17b$d0485180$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Well at that rate it'll cost me $150 to print out the manual.  Probably
Kinko's or Staples will be able to beat that.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Barro" <ebarro at afsweb.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 7:23 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser


> I've worked with Tektronix Phaser printers and they have excellent output.
The consumables were killing us though. As an alternative we now have a
SAVIN SLP38c color printer. The company that sold us the printer takes care
of the consumables and maintenance as part of the contract. I believe it's
$1.00 per page for this kind of arrangement. The printed output is close
enough to the Tektronix and the speed of printing beats the Tektronix hands
down.
>
> ---
> Eric Barro
> Senior Systems Analyst
> Advanced Field Services
> (208) 772-7060
> http://www.afsweb.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
> Erbach
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 2:52 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
>
>
> Rocky,
>
> >> Does anyone have any experience or advice on color laser printers? <<
>
> I googled a few printer review web sites. Good reviews for the HP 4600 and
the Xerox/Tektronix Phaser 6250. These are mid-level priced color lasers.
>
> I have a long history with HP printers, but that Xerox looks awfully good.
>
> http://www.printershowcase.com/printer_reviews_xerox6250.asp
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Scientific Marketing
> Neenah, WI
>
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However, several coulombs of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced.
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Nov 22 22:42:46 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:42:46 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEFEENAA.john@winhaven.net>
	<002301c3b173$af490720$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <016101c3b17c$3dfb8260$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Looked it up.  Looks beautiful.  The carts are a killer though, aren't they?
Looks like about $200 a pop!!

Anyway, thanks for the offer.  I think I've got to stay local though.
Probably print 10-20 at a time.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Keatley" <tomk at multiline.com.au>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser


> I use eight Tekronix(Xerox) Phaser 860's in my business ...brilliant
printer
> for my application and the beauty of the 860 (also the 840 and 850) is
that
> black ink is FREE.  You only pay for colour ink
>
> Unlike inkjet printers the finish to the printed page looks as though it
was
> offset printed and glossy ....I think also the 860 came with duplexing as
> standard (although check that) I always buy duplexing as its essential for
> my application
>
> You can still buy the 860 new although they would be scarce now as the
model
> was superseded a couple of years ago...I managed to pick 3 up a few months
> ago with full warranty etc.....
>
> If you are stuck ....or only want to print one or two ....send me a PDF of
> your manual and I would be happy to print it for you .... I can courier it
> to you. (you could advertise PRINTED INTERNATIONALLY<grin>)
>
> Regards
>
> Tom Keatley
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:27 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
>
>
> > Phaser printers rock!
> >
> > If you have the bucks.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
> > > Erbach
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 4:52 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > >
> > >
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > >> Does anyone have any experience or advice on color laser printers?
<<
> > >
> > > I googled a few printer review web sites. Good reviews for the HP
> > > 4600 and the Xerox/Tektronix Phaser 6250. These are mid-level
> > > priced color lasers.
> > >
> > > I have a long history with HP printers, but that Xerox looks awfully
> good.
> > >
> > > http://www.printershowcase.com/printer_reviews_xerox6250.asp
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Steve Erbach
> > > Scientific Marketing
> > > Neenah, WI
> > >
> > > Disclaimer: No tree was killed in the transmission of this
> > > message. However, several coulombs of electrons were temporarily
> > > inconvenienced.
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov 23 04:11:57 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 11:11:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change Default Printer
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275BE@main2.marlow.com>
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275BE@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <1774296928.20031123111157@cactus.dk>

Hi Drew

Look up the archive on "Export Access Report to Word" two weeks ago.

/gustav


> 'Print To Picture thingy'.  Is that a technical term, or just an industry
> standard out in Arnold's World? <grin> (Sorry, it's Friday, I couldn't
> resist!).


From djkr at msn.com  Sun Nov 23 04:13:50 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:13:50 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
In-Reply-To: <010801c3b171$271675b0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <002b01c3b1aa$7d3ca930$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

Rocky

Get one!  See dba-Tech for my posting enthusing about my Minolta-QMS
Magicolor 2300.  (Company is now Konica Minolta - I have no connection.)
Your needs just sound so similar to mine, and $1.00 a page would have been
*WAY* way over the top!

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: 23 November 2003 03:23
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> 
> 
> Rats.  I really want a color laser printer.  This was my big 
> opportunity to create a flimsy rationalization for one.  
> You're probably right though. Color copying will be cheaper.
> 
> There are some marketing reasons, however, why I want to 
> deliver the software with a manual.  But I was always a slow 
> adopter.  Maybe that's the right way to go.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "jmoss111" <jmoss111 at bellsouth.net>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> 
> 
> > Rocky,
> >
> > I did a little investigation a few years ago, and the cost of 
> > consumables for I think 5% coverage was something like 
> $0.66 per page. 
> > Add to that the price of a printer and it makes Kinko's 
> look much more 
> > attractive. Then
> you
> > have to add the cost of assembling, binding and shipping the manual 
> > which makes it a pretty expensive proposition. Most manuals that I 
> > have seen
> still
> > use monochrome screen shots.
> >
> > Why not just include the manual in .pdf format and let the customer 
> > decide whether they get color or monochrome manuals, if 
> they decide to 
> > print them at all.
> >
> > Jim
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:03 AM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> >
> >
> > > Cross posting from dba-tech.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > To: "dba-tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:34 AM
> > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Color Laser
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello:
> > >
> > > I'm writing a manual now into which I've dropped a lot of screen 
> > > shots. They look much better in color than in black and white.  I 
> > > think that
> > having
> > > Kinko's do these on their color laser might be cost prohibitive.  
> > > The
> > manual
> > > will be about 150+ pages when done and of course, not all of the 
> > > pages
> > will
> > > require color, although they'll have to charge the color cost for 
> > > every page.
> > >
> > > So now I'm thinking about a color laser printer.  Ink jet 
> would be 
> > > far
> too
> > > slow if I have to make these manuals in the quantity I'm praying 
> > > will be necessary.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any experience or advice on color laser printers?
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> >
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sun Nov 23 04:23:04 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:23:04 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser ON TECH
In-Reply-To: <002b01c3b1aa$7d3ca930$bf00a8c0@dabsight>
Message-ID: <04ad01c3b1ab$c7b5f2e0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Please keep this thread to dba-Tech where the other half of it's running.
Thanks

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> DJK(John) Robinson
> Sent: 23 November 2003 10:14
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
> Get one!  See dba-Tech for my posting enthusing about my 
> Minolta-QMS Magicolor 2300.  (Company is now Konica Minolta - 
> I have no connection.) Your needs just sound so similar to 
> mine, and $1.00 a page would have been
> *WAY* way over the top!
> 
> John
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > Sent: 23 November 2003 03:23
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > 
> > 
> > Rats.  I really want a color laser printer.  This was my big
> > opportunity to create a flimsy rationalization for one.  
> > You're probably right though. Color copying will be cheaper.
> > 
> > There are some marketing reasons, however, why I want to
> > deliver the software with a manual.  But I was always a slow 
> > adopter.  Maybe that's the right way to go.
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jmoss111" <jmoss111 at bellsouth.net>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > 
> > 
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > I did a little investigation a few years ago, and the cost of
> > > consumables for I think 5% coverage was something like 
> > $0.66 per page.
> > > Add to that the price of a printer and it makes Kinko's
> > look much more
> > > attractive. Then
> > you
> > > have to add the cost of assembling, binding and shipping 
> the manual
> > > which makes it a pretty expensive proposition. Most 
> manuals that I 
> > > have seen
> > still
> > > use monochrome screen shots.
> > >
> > > Why not just include the manual in .pdf format and let 
> the customer
> > > decide whether they get color or monochrome manuals, if 
> > they decide to
> > > print them at all.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:03 AM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > >
> > >
> > > > Cross posting from dba-tech.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > To: "dba-tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:34 AM
> > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Color Laser
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello:
> > > >
> > > > I'm writing a manual now into which I've dropped a lot of screen
> > > > shots. They look much better in color than in black and 
> white.  I 
> > > > think that
> > > having
> > > > Kinko's do these on their color laser might be cost prohibitive.
> > > > The
> > > manual
> > > > will be about 150+ pages when done and of course, not all of the
> > > > pages
> > > will
> > > > require color, although they'll have to charge the 
> color cost for
> > > > every page.
> > > >
> > > > So now I'm thinking about a color laser printer.  Ink jet
> > would be
> > > > far
> > too
> > > > slow if I have to make these manuals in the quantity I'm praying
> > > > will be necessary.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have any experience or advice on color 
> laser printers?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sun Nov 23 04:24:46 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:24:46 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ] 
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275CE@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <04ae01c3b1ac$0493c430$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Please take this thread to dba-Tech too.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 23 November 2003 02:39
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> 
> 
> I love everything we use from Trend, with the exception of 
> eManager, which is a spam blocking 'add-in' for ScanMail.  
> Don't get me wrong, it works, as well as most of the stuff 
> I've seen out there, but that's the problem.  It's not stellar! <grin>
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> 
> 
> Drew,
> Thanks for the info, sounds like a rock solid server app.
> 
> jb
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 7:24 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> >
> >
> > Yes, ScanMail will scan the files within a zip file.  You 
> can even set 
> > how deep you want it to scan (for zips within zips).  I 
> think we are 
> > set to 5 levels.  We have never blocked .zip files, and I certainly 
> > don't plan on starting.  We do block any extension that can 
> be run off 
> > the bat, such as .exe, .com, .bat, etc.  Those are blocked 
> simply as a 
> > buffer, since brand new viruses aren't caught until Trend updates 
> > their patterns (which they do pretty fast).  Once a virus is in the 
> > pattern though, it will strip it out of zip files.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:03 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> >
> >
> > That's a shame.
> >
> > I would think that security and productivity should have at least 
> > equal priority in the work place :o)
> >
> > For true security to ever happen the email security people 
> are going 
> > to have to start identifying what's in a zip file rather 
> than the fact 
> > that its a zip file. Most AV scanners can already scan zip 
> contents so 
> > I would think that if a message came through with a zip attachment 
> > that the zip attachment's contents could be scanned for problems 
> > rather than just assuming that its a problem because its a 
> zip. Even 
> > if they pulled the email
> > aside and processed it out of stream rather than doing it 
> directly and
> > clogging up the system it would be preferable to just deleting it!
> >
> > Hey Drew can Trend Micro's system do that?
> >
> > Of course if they scan the zip - then .mdbs can't be considered 
> > dangerous either. FMS has a free virus scanner for .mdbs I 
> wonder if 
> > its worthwhile? If one could write a script to scan .mdbs 
> with FMS AV 
> > scanner it could eliminating the whole annoying process of not 
> > allowing .mdb attachments. (Of course I always zip my mdbs because 
> > they usually compress about 80% so I'm
> > back to the first argument...   now I'm just babbling...
> > :o)
> >
> > What say we get some big company to put a bounty out on the 
> heads of 
> > virus writers?
> > ;o)
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin 
> > > Reid
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:23 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was 
> Redemption DLL ]
> > >
> > >
> > > Thats just how we do it in work. PITA but gets us past the email 
> > > people.
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > >
> > > > Oh, yes, there always have to have some people that overdo 
> > > > everything, beside scanning .mdb how about not allowing .zip 
> > > > extensions in email?!
> > > Then
> > > > of course you have people who resort to changing the file 
> > > > extension on
> > > your
> > > > zipped files to .txt and instructing the person on other end to
> > > change it
> > > > back. That's good covenient security.
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > > MartyConnelly
> > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:39 AM
> > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption 
> > > > > DLL ]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Depends on what file extensions are scanned on a network
> > > server. I keep
> > > > > a special stick to poke network guys who insist on scanning
> > > ldb and mdb
> > > > > file types among others. Scanning a 300MB file on-access can 
> > > > > bring things to a grinding halt.
> > > > >
> > > > > Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >On 20 Nov 2003 at 20:40, John W. Colby wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>Stuart,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The
> > > unfortunate
> > > > > >>reality is that there are millions of machines out 
> there used
> > > > > by individuals
> > > > > >>in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run
> > > > > virus checkers.
> > > > > >>THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that
> > > > > they only screw
> > > > > >>up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It 
> simply has
> > > > > no place in a
> > > > > >>business where they should be running AV software.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Which brings us on to another question, prompted 
> recently by a 
> > > > > >client.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >What is your option on running anti-virus software 
> on network 
> > > > > >servers? (Assuming that you do run on-access 
> scanning software 
> > > > > >on the
> > > > > >workstations)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Note:
> > > > > >X-posted to <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > >All follow ups to that list only. Please!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Marty Connelly
> > > > > Victoria, B.C.
> > > > > Canada
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 



From djkr at msn.com  Sun Nov 23 11:10:01 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:10:01 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] List broken?
In-Reply-To: <002301c3b173$af490720$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <004101c3b1e4$a12ee210$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

Is this list broken?  My post of seven hours ago still hasn't appeared (1710
GMT/UTC).  Nor has anything else.  

The dba-Tech list is running fine, meanwhile, at a delay of just a few
minutes.

John

From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Sun Nov 23 12:03:12 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:03:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] List broken?
In-Reply-To: <004101c3b1e4$a12ee210$bf00a8c0@dabsight>
References: <002301c3b173$af490720$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <3FC0B010.5985.DAAC4C@localhost>

On 23 Nov 2003 at 17:10, DJK(John) Robinson wrote:

> Is this list broken?  My post of seven hours ago still hasn't appeared
> (1710 GMT/UTC).  Nor has anything else.  
> 
> The dba-Tech list is running fine, meanwhile, at a delay of just a few
> minutes.

John,

Your post must be lost in the ether somewhere.

It never made it to the list host.

Also the last post to the list was at 10:38 UTC, so that was about 
6.5 hours previous to the post I'm replying to.

Nothing is stuck anywhere at the list host, either comning in or 
going out.

Your friendly listmaster,
--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Tell me what you need, and I'll tell you how to get along without it.



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Sun Nov 23 12:05:02 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:05:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] List broken?
In-Reply-To: <3FC0B010.5985.DAAC4C@localhost>
References: <004101c3b1e4$a12ee210$bf00a8c0@dabsight>
Message-ID: <3FC0B07E.21952.DC593C@localhost>

On 23 Nov 2003 at 13:03, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> On 23 Nov 2003 at 17:10, DJK(John) Robinson wrote:
> 
> > Is this list broken?  My post of seven hours ago still hasn't
> > appeared (1710 GMT/UTC).  Nor has anything else.  
> > 
> > The dba-Tech list is running fine, meanwhile, at a delay of just a
> > few minutes.
> 
> John,
> 
> Your post must be lost in the ether somewhere.
> 
> It never made it to the list host.
> 
> Also the last post to the list was at 10:38 UTC, so that was about 6.5
> hours previous to the post I'm replying to.
> 
> Nothing is stuck anywhere at the list host, either comning in or going
> out.

Just FYI,

This post took less than a minute to make it back to me.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
My reality check bounced.



From djkr at msn.com  Sun Nov 23 12:13:26 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:13:26 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
Message-ID: <004201c3b1ed$7da5cfd0$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

*** REPOST ***

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DJK(John) Robinson [mailto:djkr at msn.com] 
> Sent: 23 November 2003 10:14
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
> Get one!  See dba-Tech for my posting enthusing about my 
> Minolta-QMS Magicolor 2300.  (Company is now Konica Minolta - 
> I have no connection.)  Your needs just sound so similar to 
> mine, and $1.00 a page would have been *WAY* way over the top!
> 
> John
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > Sent: 23 November 2003 03:23
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > 
> > 
> > Rats.  I really want a color laser printer.  This was my big
> > opportunity to create a flimsy rationalization for one.  
> > You're probably right though. Color copying will be cheaper.
> > 
> > There are some marketing reasons, however, why I want to
> > deliver the software with a manual.  But I was always a slow 
> > adopter.  Maybe that's the right way to go.
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jmoss111" <jmoss111 at bellsouth.net>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > 
> > 
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > I did a little investigation a few years ago, and the cost of
> > > consumables for I think 5% coverage was something like 
> > $0.66 per page.
> > > Add to that the price of a printer and it makes Kinko's
> > look much more
> > > attractive. Then
> > you
> > > have to add the cost of assembling, binding and shipping 
> the manual
> > > which makes it a pretty expensive proposition. Most 
> manuals that I 
> > > have seen
> > still
> > > use monochrome screen shots.
> > >
> > > Why not just include the manual in .pdf format and let 
> the customer
> > > decide whether they get color or monochrome manuals, if 
> > they decide to
> > > print them at all.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:03 AM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > >
> > >
> > > > Cross posting from dba-tech.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > To: "dba-tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:34 AM
> > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Color Laser
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello:
> > > >
> > > > I'm writing a manual now into which I've dropped a lot of screen
> > > > shots. They look much better in color than in black and 
> white.  I 
> > > > think that
> > > having
> > > > Kinko's do these on their color laser might be cost prohibitive.
> > > > The
> > > manual
> > > > will be about 150+ pages when done and of course, not all of the
> > > > pages
> > > will
> > > > require color, although they'll have to charge the 
> color cost for
> > > > every page.
> > > >
> > > > So now I'm thinking about a color laser printer.  Ink jet
> > would be
> > > > far
> > too
> > > > slow if I have to make these manuals in the quantity I'm praying
> > > > will be necessary.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have any experience or advice on color 
> laser printers?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > Website: 
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 

From djkr at msn.com  Sun Nov 23 12:20:48 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:20:48 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] List broken?
In-Reply-To: <3FC0B07E.21952.DC593C@localhost>
Message-ID: <004301c3b1ee$84a05a20$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

Hmm, thanks Bryan.  Maybe it's an MSN problem...
Anyway, the repost worked fine.

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: 23 November 2003 18:05
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] List broken?
> 
> 
> On 23 Nov 2003 at 13:03, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:
> 
> > On 23 Nov 2003 at 17:10, DJK(John) Robinson wrote:
> > 
> > > Is this list broken?  My post of seven hours ago still hasn't 
> > > appeared (1710 GMT/UTC).  Nor has anything else.
> > > 
> > > The dba-Tech list is running fine, meanwhile, at a delay 
> of just a 
> > > few minutes.
> > 
> > John,
> > 
> > Your post must be lost in the ether somewhere.
> > 
> > It never made it to the list host.
> > 
> > Also the last post to the list was at 10:38 UTC, so that 
> was about 6.5 
> > hours previous to the post I'm replying to.
> > 
> > Nothing is stuck anywhere at the list host, either comning 
> in or going 
> > out.
> 
> Just FYI,
> 
> This post took less than a minute to make it back to me.
> 
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> My reality check bounced.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Nov 23 12:43:05 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:43:05 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
References: <004201c3b1ed$7da5cfd0$bf00a8c0@dabsight>
Message-ID: <009301c3b1f1$a1b42bc0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

DK - saw this one earlier.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "DJK(John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:13 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser


> *** REPOST ***
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DJK(John) Robinson [mailto:djkr at msn.com]
> > Sent: 23 November 2003 10:14
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> >
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > Get one!  See dba-Tech for my posting enthusing about my
> > Minolta-QMS Magicolor 2300.  (Company is now Konica Minolta -
> > I have no connection.)  Your needs just sound so similar to
> > mine, and $1.00 a page would have been *WAY* way over the top!
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: 23 November 2003 03:23
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > >
> > >
> > > Rats.  I really want a color laser printer.  This was my big
> > > opportunity to create a flimsy rationalization for one.
> > > You're probably right though. Color copying will be cheaper.
> > >
> > > There are some marketing reasons, however, why I want to
> > > deliver the software with a manual.  But I was always a slow
> > > adopter.  Maybe that's the right way to go.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "jmoss111" <jmoss111 at bellsouth.net>
> > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:04 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > >
> > >
> > > > Rocky,
> > > >
> > > > I did a little investigation a few years ago, and the cost of
> > > > consumables for I think 5% coverage was something like
> > > $0.66 per page.
> > > > Add to that the price of a printer and it makes Kinko's
> > > look much more
> > > > attractive. Then
> > > you
> > > > have to add the cost of assembling, binding and shipping
> > the manual
> > > > which makes it a pretty expensive proposition. Most
> > manuals that I
> > > > have seen
> > > still
> > > > use monochrome screen shots.
> > > >
> > > > Why not just include the manual in .pdf format and let
> > the customer
> > > > decide whether they get color or monochrome manuals, if
> > > they decide to
> > > > print them at all.
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:03 AM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Cross posting from dba-tech.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > > To: "dba-tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:34 AM
> > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Color Laser
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm writing a manual now into which I've dropped a lot of screen
> > > > > shots. They look much better in color than in black and
> > white.  I
> > > > > think that
> > > > having
> > > > > Kinko's do these on their color laser might be cost prohibitive.
> > > > > The
> > > > manual
> > > > > will be about 150+ pages when done and of course, not all of the
> > > > > pages
> > > > will
> > > > > require color, although they'll have to charge the
> > color cost for
> > > > > every page.
> > > > >
> > > > > So now I'm thinking about a color laser printer.  Ink jet
> > > would be
> > > > > far
> > > too
> > > > > slow if I have to make these manuals in the quantity I'm praying
> > > > > will be necessary.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone have any experience or advice on color
> > laser printers?
> > > > >
> > > > > TIA,
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > > Website:
> > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Sun Nov 23 13:03:10 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 14:03:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] List broken?
In-Reply-To: <004301c3b1ee$84a05a20$bf00a8c0@dabsight>
References: <3FC0B07E.21952.DC593C@localhost>
Message-ID: <3FC0BE1E.18496.11191A1@localhost>

On 23 Nov 2003 at 18:20, DJK(John) Robinson wrote:

> Hmm, thanks Bryan.  Maybe it's an MSN problem...
> Anyway, the repost worked fine.

Your original worked fine too, but should have gone to dba-tech

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Goals are deceptive - the unaimed arrow never misses.



From djkr at msn.com  Sun Nov 23 13:20:52 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 19:20:52 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] List broken?
In-Reply-To: <3FC0BE1E.18496.11191A1@localhost>
Message-ID: <004401c3b1f6$e8ea82a0$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

Bryan

"...should have gone to dba-tech"
Umm, no.  I was replying to an accessD posting, and making my own feeble
attempt to divert people to the active discussion on dba-Tech - the
appropriate place.

Incidentally, I reposted because you said my original "never made it to the
list host".  Ah well, never mind now.

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: 23 November 2003 19:03
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] List broken?
> 
> 
> On 23 Nov 2003 at 18:20, DJK(John) Robinson wrote:
> 
> > Hmm, thanks Bryan.  Maybe it's an MSN problem...
> > Anyway, the repost worked fine.
> 
> Your original worked fine too, but should have gone to dba-tech
> 
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> Goals are deceptive - the unaimed arrow never misses.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

From artful at rogers.com  Sun Nov 23 18:38:46 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:38:46 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database
Message-ID: <000001c3b223$5bfd43f0$6701a8c0@rock>

I've been working on this database lately, and I made all the Yes/No
fields CheckBoxes. Turns out the client hates CheckBoxes and wants
Yes/No combos instead. So I need a routine to walk every table and
change the properties of every Yes/No field from CheckBox to Combo +
Value List, "-1","Yes", "0","No", column count = 2, column widths = 0".

Anyone got such a routine or something close that I can rework to suit
my needs?

TIA,
Arthur



From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sun Nov 23 17:54:44 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:54:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database
References: <000001c3b223$5bfd43f0$6701a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <003201c3b21d$2e0e9850$6401a8c0@default>

Arthur, 

This works in A97, DAO
Since I have made the first field "0;Yes", then "Yes"
becomes the default value for the field.

Public Function fnYesNo2CBO()
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Set db = CurrentDb
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "DisplayControl", 3, 111, 111
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "RowSourceType", dbText, "Value List", "Value List"
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "RowSource", dbText, "0;Yes;1;No", "0;Yes;1;No"
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "ColumnCount", 3, 2, 2
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "ColumnWidths", dbText, "0, 720", "0, 720"
    Set db = Nothing
End Function

Private Function SetAccessProperty(obj As Object, strName As String, _
        intType As Integer, varSetting As Variant, _
        Optional SetToWhat As String) As Boolean
    Dim prp As DAO.Property
    Const conPropNotFound As Integer = 3270

    On Error GoTo ErrorSetAccessProperty
    ' Explicitly refer to Properties collection.
    obj.Properties(strName) = varSetting
    obj.Properties.Refresh
    If SetToWhat <> "" Then
        obj.Properties(strName).Value = SetToWhat
        obj.Properties.Refresh
    End If
    SetAccessProperty = True
    
ExitSetAccessProperty:
    Exit Function
    
ErrorSetAccessProperty:
    If Err = conPropNotFound Then

' Create property, denote type, and set initial value.
        Set prp = obj.CreateProperty(strName, intType, varSetting)
        ' Append Property object to Properties collection.
        obj.Properties.append prp
        obj.Properties(strName).Value = SetToWhat
        obj.Properties.Refresh
        SetAccessProperty = True
        Resume ExitSetAccessProperty
    Else
        MsgBox Err & ": " & vbCrLf & Err.Description
        SetAccessProperty = False
        Resume ExitSetAccessProperty
    End If
End Function


Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 7:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database


> I've been working on this database lately, and I made all the Yes/No
> fields CheckBoxes. Turns out the client hates CheckBoxes and wants
> Yes/No combos instead. So I need a routine to walk every table and
> change the properties of every Yes/No field from CheckBox to Combo +
> Value List, "-1","Yes", "0","No", column count = 2, column widths = 0".
> 
> Anyone got such a routine or something close that I can rework to suit
> my needs?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> 
> 
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From djkr at msn.com  Sun Nov 23 18:21:21 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:21:21 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser ON TECH
In-Reply-To: <04ad01c3b1ab$c7b5f2e0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <004c01c3b220$e32890d0$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

Andy

Thank you for your gratuitous support.  I've already said "See dba-Tech".

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: 23 November 2003 10:23
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser ON TECH
> 
> 
> Please keep this thread to dba-Tech where the other half of 
> it's running. Thanks
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > DJK(John) Robinson
> > Sent: 23 November 2003 10:14
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > 
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > Get one!  See dba-Tech for my posting enthusing about my
> > Minolta-QMS Magicolor 2300.  (Company is now Konica Minolta - 
> > I have no connection.) Your needs just sound so similar to 
> > mine, and $1.00 a page would have been
> > *WAY* way over the top!
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: 23 November 2003 03:23
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Rats.  I really want a color laser printer.  This was my big 
> > > opportunity to create a flimsy rationalization for one.
> > > You're probably right though. Color copying will be cheaper.
> > > 
> > > There are some marketing reasons, however, why I want to 
> deliver the 
> > > software with a manual.  But I was always a slow adopter.  Maybe 
> > > that's the right way to go.
> > > 
> > > Rocky
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "jmoss111" <jmoss111 at bellsouth.net>
> > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:04 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Rocky,
> > > >
> > > > I did a little investigation a few years ago, and the cost of 
> > > > consumables for I think 5% coverage was something like
> > > $0.66 per page.
> > > > Add to that the price of a printer and it makes Kinko's
> > > look much more
> > > > attractive. Then
> > > you
> > > > have to add the cost of assembling, binding and shipping
> > the manual
> > > > which makes it a pretty expensive proposition. Most
> > manuals that I
> > > > have seen
> > > still
> > > > use monochrome screen shots.
> > > >
> > > > Why not just include the manual in .pdf format and let
> > the customer
> > > > decide whether they get color or monochrome manuals, if
> > > they decide to
> > > > print them at all.
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:03 AM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Cross posting from dba-tech.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" 
> <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > > To: "dba-tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:34 AM
> > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Color Laser
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm writing a manual now into which I've dropped a 
> lot of screen 
> > > > > shots. They look much better in color than in black and
> > white.  I
> > > > > think that
> > > > having
> > > > > Kinko's do these on their color laser might be cost 
> prohibitive. 
> > > > > The
> > > > manual
> > > > > will be about 150+ pages when done and of course, not 
> all of the 
> > > > > pages
> > > > will
> > > > > require color, although they'll have to charge the
> > color cost for
> > > > > every page.
> > > > >
> > > > > So now I'm thinking about a color laser printer.  Ink jet
> > > would be
> > > > > far
> > > too
> > > > > slow if I have to make these manuals in the quantity 
> I'm praying 
> > > > > will be necessary.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone have any experience or advice on color
> > laser printers?
> > > > >
> > > > > TIA,
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com 
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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Sun Nov 23 22:29:34 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:59:34 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Link child / master field fails in subsubform
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEMAFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00a401c3b248$5a837560$4cedf73d@winxp>

John,

    Are you  in a position to send zipped extract of database containing the problem forms with sample data in relevant record sources ?

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John W. Colby 
  To: AccessD 
  Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 00:27
  Subject: [AccessD] Link child / master field fails in subsubform


  I have a db where the subform pulls the correct records using ling child /
  master field properties, but the subsub form fails to follow the subform,
  i.e. it pulls a set associated with the parent form but not associated with
  the first subform.

  Agency / contract / assignment.  As I move through agency records I see the
  contract change.  I also see the assignment change, but as I move through
  the contracts the assignments don't change.

  I have seen this before, and worked around it by just replacing the link
  properties with query filters in the subform.

  Has anyone seen a bug fix for this?

  John W. Colby
  www.ColbyConsulting.com


From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 24 00:26:36 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:26:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] report field font size
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEAKFGAA.john@winhaven.net>

Anyone have a function to set the font size in a report field to the maximum
that will fit in the control?

TIA
jb



From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov 24 02:12:35 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:12:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] report field font size
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEAKFGAA.john@winhaven.net>
References: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEAKFGAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1691069107.20031124091235@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Stephen Lebans may be able to inspire you:

  http://www.lebans.com/makefitsingle.htm

/gustav


> Anyone have a function to set the font size in a report field to the maximum
> that will fit in the control?


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Nov 24 03:54:38 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:54:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEF0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

You gonna need to change every form or report to...
The table setting is a default setting when creating a new form/report.
Changing the table setting does not change the already created
forms/reports.

Erwin

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 12:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database

Arthur, 

This works in A97, DAO
Since I have made the first field "0;Yes", then "Yes"
becomes the default value for the field.

Public Function fnYesNo2CBO()
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Set db = CurrentDb
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "DisplayControl", 3, 111, 111
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "RowSourceType", dbText, "Value List", "Value List"
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "RowSource", dbText, "0;Yes;1;No", "0;Yes;1;No"
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "ColumnCount", 3, 2, 2
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "ColumnWidths", dbText, "0, 720", "0, 720"
    Set db = Nothing
End Function

Private Function SetAccessProperty(obj As Object, strName As String, _
        intType As Integer, varSetting As Variant, _
        Optional SetToWhat As String) As Boolean
    Dim prp As DAO.Property
    Const conPropNotFound As Integer = 3270

    On Error GoTo ErrorSetAccessProperty
    ' Explicitly refer to Properties collection.
    obj.Properties(strName) = varSetting
    obj.Properties.Refresh
    If SetToWhat <> "" Then
        obj.Properties(strName).Value = SetToWhat
        obj.Properties.Refresh
    End If
    SetAccessProperty = True
    
ExitSetAccessProperty:
    Exit Function
    
ErrorSetAccessProperty:
    If Err = conPropNotFound Then

' Create property, denote type, and set initial value.
        Set prp = obj.CreateProperty(strName, intType, varSetting)
        ' Append Property object to Properties collection.
        obj.Properties.append prp
        obj.Properties(strName).Value = SetToWhat
        obj.Properties.Refresh
        SetAccessProperty = True
        Resume ExitSetAccessProperty
    Else
        MsgBox Err & ": " & vbCrLf & Err.Description
        SetAccessProperty = False
        Resume ExitSetAccessProperty
    End If
End Function


Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 7:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database


> I've been working on this database lately, and I made all the Yes/No
> fields CheckBoxes. Turns out the client hates CheckBoxes and wants
> Yes/No combos instead. So I need a routine to walk every table and
> change the properties of every Yes/No field from CheckBox to Combo +
> Value List, "-1","Yes", "0","No", column count = 2, column widths =
0".
> 
> Anyone got such a routine or something close that I can rework to suit
> my needs?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov 24 04:07:37 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:07:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Link child / master field fails in subsubform
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEMAFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEMAFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <657971302.20031124110737@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Could it be that you are fiddling with the AllowEdit etc. properties
of the sub(sub)forms?
If so, you may need to reassign the LinkMaster/ChildFields settings
(to themselves) when opening the mainform.

/gustav


> Date: 2003-11-22 19:57

> I have a db where the subform pulls the correct records using ling child /
> master field properties, but the subsub form fails to follow the subform,
> i.e. it pulls a set associated with the parent form but not associated with
> the first subform.

> Agency / contract / assignment.  As I move through agency records I see the
> contract change.  I also see the assignment change, but as I move through
> the contracts the assignments don't change.

> I have seen this before, and worked around it by just replacing the link
> properties with query filters in the subform.

> Has anyone seen a bug fix for this?


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Nov 24 04:56:19 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:56:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEF4@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

 
 
Hi
 
I was wondering something.
In the VBA editor in options>common(?)>Compile
You can click two options for compiling.
I have the dutch version and I find that the help is poorly explaining
the exact use of these options (if not for everything:-(.
Compile at request and background compiling.
 
I wonder if anyone could explain me what those options do and what best
choice is...
 

 

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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Mon Nov 24 06:02:30 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 23:02:30 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control
References: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A0805BB@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <000d01c3b282$d6589cd0$6401a8c0@user>

Thanks Alan - I will be back working on this tomorrow and will try that.
Rgds
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Garraway, Alun 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 2:52 AM
  Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  hi Kath

  I've now tried both types of comboboxs, no problems with loading
  data or passing value/text to variable. both have the change event.

  remember in excel each sheet is like a "module" that means if you have
  a combobox on sheet1 you have to go to the ide and select "Sheet1"
  in the project explorer, then select the object from the objectlist,
  with the combobox the change event is standard.
  then you can use var = me.combobox1.value ( or .text) example i sent u.

  if you want to get the value/text of the combobox from a module
  then you need something like this:

  Sub getit()
      Dim v As Variant
      Dim o As ComboBox
      
      Set o = ActiveWorkbook.Sheets(1).cbo2
      
      v = o.Value
      Debug.Print v
      
  End Sub


  hth
  alun

  btw regarding your other problem the only solution i know is, as you
  said, to use different ranges depending on the selection.


  -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
  Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
  Pelletti
  Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 13:36
  An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Betreff: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  Thanks Alan - but the combo box (I used the one from the forms toolbar) does not appear to have a name property or an on change event. You can attach a macro (and therefore an event) to it but that's it - I can't find a way to refer back to that control name in the code.

  Maybe you are referring to the combo control from the Control Toolbox toolbar? I was reluctant to use that because I think I read that it would require registration on distribution??

  Kath
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Garraway, Alun 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:06 PM
    Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


    ok

    create a modul and declare a public variable.

    then for the combo on change event
    try this:

    Private Sub cboSheet1_Change()
        
        myVar = Me.cboSheet1.Value
        
    End Sub

    note: cboSheet1 is the name of my combobox
    and MyVar is the public variable in the modul
    hth
    alun


    -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
    Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
    Pelletti
    Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 09:46
    An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Betreff: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


    Hi Alan - it's just on the worksheet.
    Kath
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Garraway, Alun 
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
      Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:35 PM
      Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


      hi Kath,

      is the control on an excel worksheet or are u using
      a userform?

      alun

      -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
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      [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
      Pelletti
      Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 00:38
      An: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
      Betreff: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


      Can anyone tell me how to refer to a form control in Excel (in this case a combo box) so that I can read its contents into a variable in vba?

      Urgent.
      TIA


      Kath Pelletti
      Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
      Ph: 9505-6714
      Fax: 9505-6430
      sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Mon Nov 24 06:03:20 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 23:03:20 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel input range
References: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873063952D8@corp-es00>
Message-ID: <001701c3b282$f441c730$6401a8c0@user>

Hi Jim - thank you. I will put together a sample and send it tomorrow.

Rgds
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Hale, Jim 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:03 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Excel input range


  If you send me a sample I will take a look at it on Monday.
  regards,
  Jim Hale

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au]
  Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:24 PM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel input range


  After a long day battling my way through this Excel development I am signing
  off for now but in case any Excel gurus have the time, could you answer
  this:

  On an Excel s/sheet I have 3 combos (created with the form control). I have
  nominated an input range for each (on a separate sheet). Depending on the
  choice the user makes in Combo 1 and Combo 2, I need to modify the range for
  Combo 3. What's the best way in Excel? I see on lots of internet samples
  that quite often people set up range after range of values and nominate one
  or the other as the appropriate range when the combos change, but surely
  there is a more efficient way??

  I have fairly simple rules from the client and I think that I should be able
  to set up a grid /range of cells which hold my criteria. I can post sample
  data if anyone thinks they can help.

  Thanks everyone - and apologies for the Excel posts (I am also posting to
  Excel sites but no luck yet). Have a great w/end.


  Kath Pelletti
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
  sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 24 07:34:26 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:34:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Link child / master field fails in subsubform
In-Reply-To: <657971302.20031124110737@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOECAFNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

It turns out it had to do with the name of the field it was bound to.  The
field name was the same in the child and the parent and I guess the wizard
just got them wrong somehow.  I went in and aliased the IDs in the queries
for the main form and the child form, reran the query that builds the links,
and the problem went away.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Link child / master field fails in subsubform


Hi John

Could it be that you are fiddling with the AllowEdit etc. properties
of the sub(sub)forms?
If so, you may need to reassign the LinkMaster/ChildFields settings
(to themselves) when opening the mainform.

/gustav


> Date: 2003-11-22 19:57

> I have a db where the subform pulls the correct records using ling child /
> master field properties, but the subsub form fails to follow the subform,
> i.e. it pulls a set associated with the parent form but not associated
with
> the first subform.

> Agency / contract / assignment.  As I move through agency records I see
the
> contract change.  I also see the assignment change, but as I move through
> the contracts the assignments don't change.

> I have seen this before, and worked around it by just replacing the link
> properties with query filters in the subform.

> Has anyone seen a bug fix for this?

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From michael.broesdorf at web.de  Mon Nov 24 09:03:53 2003
From: michael.broesdorf at web.de (=?us-ascii?Q?Michael_Brosdorf?=)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:03:53 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOECAFNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHMELFEOAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>

Hello,

my mousewheel does not work in the VBA windows of Access 2000 - I am unable
to scroll through the code with the wheel. In other applications and even in
Access it works fine. Is that a known problem? Is there any way to make it
work? I am using a Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 with current
Microsoft drivers, but the same problems occurs with Logitech mice..

TIA,

Michael


From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon Nov 24 09:14:35 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:14:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA306AF981@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB045@ADGSERVER>

I think that you mean www.persits.com.  :)

Bobby

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


persists.com They have a component called ASPEmail.  You can use it with VBA
too.  Just give it the SMTP server, and you are off and running.  It has
both a free and 'pro' versions.  The free is pretty decent, does all of the
basic email functions.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Charlotte,

You said, 'Feel free to write your own."  

I've looked at the Redemption web site, and while it's not too expensive,
all I really need is to be able to send simple emails from within Access
without the 'are you sure' dialog.  Do you know where I could learn enough
about Extended MAPI to do just this?

Thanks,
Dan Waters



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


This thread seems to be degenerating into Microsoft bashing and rant, but
let me clarify something.  The Redemption dll is NOT a control.  It is a
library that you call into, a wrapper for Extended MAPI calls. Feel free to
write your own ... Or to use a different email application ... Or to use
SMTP instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...



The Outlook security patch is a half-assed reaction to what was at the time
a big press issue.  With repeated massive virus attacks crippling mail
servers world wide, they had to appear do something for public image and if
it helped lessen the problem all the better.  This was quick and dirty and
since it was done, it stuck, but at least in later office versions you could
uncripple outlook for certain things.  Why is it half assed?

1. It is indiscriminate and broke a lot of existing and widely used
applications that hooked into outlook.  Remember that Office and vba is
supposed to be all about flexibility developing solutions.  They broke that
big time.

2. It isn't about fixing security vulnerabilites.  MS has had plenty of
security vulnerabilites and they fix those with minor patches, not wholesale
surgery on applications.  The patch doesn't stop you receiving viruses, or
running them, or them sending mail out simple inbuilt smtp engines which
most successful trojans have had for years.  By and large viruses/trojan in
this day and age do not use security vulnerabilities as their primary means
of infection.

3. And this is the kicker for me.  If redemption bypasses security by using
extended mapi, how long will it really be before some virus/trojan writer
uses extended mapi to access the address book.  Remember the majority of
viruses these days are trojans not scripts.  They don't use security
vulnerabilites to spread and infect, they use social engineering to trick
people into thinking they are from people they know.

So should I now spend US$200 on a control that may well be crippled sometime
soon as MS uses the same half baked strategy again.  If they are going to
close access to the address book why not close it the first time, and not
leave a back door that will spawn another generation of super spreading
viruses? 

It it worth trying to bypass Outlook security?  If I can bypass it with a
simple control, so any decent virus writer with half a brain can build the
same into his newest attack.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, 21 November, 2003 8:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
> 
> 
> On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:
> 
> > 
> > >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that
> turns it on. (A2K)
> > Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious
> VBScript code from
> > propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your
> clients not to
> > install security patches so your email code will work?
> > 
> > 
> I'm with JC 100% on this one.
> 
> The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting
> machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's 
> not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.
> 
> It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess
> communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite 
> paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which has 
> the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing 
> applications.
> 
> Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
> (At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email
> programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about 
> it at all <VBG>)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> --
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> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
> Support.
> 
> 
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From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 24 09:28:50 2003
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 07:28:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation Question
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB045@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <20031124152850.82382.qmail@web9802.mail.yahoo.com>


Goood Morning Everyone,

 

I have an excel automation question.  I have Access XP and though vba I am writing to an excel spread sheet.  Does any know how to set the column width of a column in excel and then format that column for time.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Dale



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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Mon Nov 24 09:21:10 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:21:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB045@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <008701c3b2a0$1dfbd260$0200a8c0@S856>

Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network?
thank you

Lembit 


From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Nov 24 09:47:44 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:47:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation Question
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7989@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Two questions here <g>.

1/ Setting the column width.

Here's a routine I use to format a range of columns so they fit the data in
them, and also it formats the column headers.

Sub FormatAndAutoFitHeaders(sFileName As String, nWkSheetNumber As Integer,
nLastColumn As Integer _
    , Optional nFirstColumn As Integer = 1, Optional nCellColor As Long =
vbYellow _
    , Optional nCellBorder As Long = vbBlack)
Dim xlFile As Excel.Application
Dim xlwb As Excel.Workbook
Dim xlSheet As Excel.Worksheet
Dim oRng As Excel.Range

    Set xlFile = OpenXLWorkBookHidden(sFileName)
    With xlFile
        Set xlwb = xlFile.Workbooks(GetFileName(sFileName))
        Set xlSheet = xlwb.Worksheets(nWkSheetNumber)
        Set oRng = xlSheet.Range(xlSheet.Cells(1, nFirstColumn),
xlSheet.Cells(1, nLastColumn))
        oRng.EntireColumn.AutoFit
        oRng.Interior.Color = vbYellow
        oRng.Borders.Color = vbBlack
        Set oRng = Nothing
        Set xlSheet = Nothing
        Set xlwb = Nothing
    End With
    CloseXLWorkBook xlFile, True
End Sub

This uses three other routines.

Function OpenXLWorkBookHidden(Path As String, Optional UpdateLinks As
Boolean = False, Optional password As String = "") As Excel.Application
    Dim xlObj As Excel.Application
       
    On Error GoTo OpenXLWorkBookHidden_err
    'Check to see if the file name passed in to the procedure is valid
    If IsNull(Path) Or isDirectory(Path) Or Not FileExists(Path) Then
        MsgBox Path & " isn't a valid path!", vbCritical, "Open Excel
Workbook"
        Set OpenXLWorkBookHidden = Nothing
        Exit Function
    Else
        Set xlObj = CreateObject("Excel.Application")
    
        xlObj.Workbooks.Open Path, UpdateLinks, , , password
        Set OpenXLWorkBookHidden = xlObj
    End If
OpenXLWorkBookHidden_exit:
    Exit Function
OpenXLWorkBookHidden_err:
' call your own error reporting routine here.
'    ReportError Err.Number, Err.Description, "OpenXLWorkBookHidden",
"Excel_mod", "File Name=" & Path
    Set OpenXLWorkBookHidden = Nothing
    Resume OpenXLWorkBookHidden_exit
End Function

Sub CloseXLWorkBook(xlApp As Excel.Application, Optional bSaveChanges As
Boolean = False)
Dim wb As Excel.Workbook
    On Error Resume Next
    If xlApp.Name > "" Then
    End If
    If Err.Number <> 0 Then Exit Sub
    On Error GoTo 0
        For Each wb In xlApp.Workbooks         'Close all open workbooks
            wb.Close bSaveChanges
        Next wb
    xlApp.UserControl = False
    Set xlApp = Nothing
End Sub

and finally

Function GetFileName(aPath) As String
Dim fPath As String
    fPath = GetPath(aPath)
    If Len(fPath) = Len(aPath) Then ' only a path was provided
        GetFileName = ""
    Else
        GetFileName = Right$(aPath, Len(aPath) - Len(fPath))
    End If
End Function

which in turn uses...

Function GetPath(aPath) As String
' Strips the path name from the supplied file and path name
' leaves the trailing slash on there
Dim foo As Integer, aSlash As Integer
    aSlash = 0
    foo = InStr(aPath, "\")
    While (foo > 0)
        aSlash = foo
        foo = InStr(aSlash + 1, aPath, "\")
    Wend
    If aSlash > 0 Then
        GetPath = Left$(aPath, aSlash)
    Else
        GetPath = ""
    End If
End Function

as for setting the colum to Time format, simply recording a macro in Excel
reveals the code looks like this...

Sub Macro1()
'
' Macro1 Macro
' Macro recorded 11/24/2003 by L Heenan
'

'
    Columns("A:A").Select
    Selection.NumberFormat = "h:mm:ss"
End Sub


HTH

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Dale Kalsow [SMTP:dkalsow at yahoo.com]
> Sent:	Monday, November 24, 2003 10:29 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	[AccessD] Excel Automation Question
> 
> 
> Goood Morning Everyone,
> 
>  
> 
> I have an excel automation question.  I have Access XP and though vba I am
> writing to an excel spread sheet.  Does any know how to set the column
> width of a column in excel and then format that column for time.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
>  
> 
> Dale
> 
> 
> 
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Nov 24 10:02:41 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:02:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEF7@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Lembit, wrong list for this question, should be the tech list.

Huumm

1) Using Sneakernet :-)
2) The domain computermanager (if all computers are NT, 2K, XPPRO and
added in the domain)
3) Use a tool like iInventory (former LanAudit)
http://www.iinventory.com
Is a free tool up to 25 pc's. BUT, you need to be able to run a small
program on each computer from the logon script or manual using
sneakernet :-) or convince the user by phone to run it from a server or
diskette.


Erwin

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Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network

Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network?
thank you

Lembit 

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Mon Nov 24 10:12:12 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:12:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation Question
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F907@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Dale,

A really neat and easy way to find out how certain Excel objects behave is to simply record a macro that does what you need.  Then go into the VBA editor and see what properties were set and how.

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan
Tarrytown, NY


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From: Dale Kalsow [mailto:dkalsow at yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation Question



Goood Morning Everyone,

 

I have an excel automation question.  I have Access XP and though vba I am writing to an excel spread sheet.  Does any know how to set the column width of a column in excel and then format that column for time.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Mon Nov 24 10:30:10 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:30:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEF7@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <011d01c3b2a8$3b2b01f0$0200a8c0@S856>

thanks, Erwin,
but its the right list, since I want to do it from Access (A2k)

can I use the domain computermanager from within Access VB?

Lembit Soobik

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From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network


> Lembit, wrong list for this question, should be the tech list.
>
> Huumm
>
> 1) Using Sneakernet :-)
> 2) The domain computermanager (if all computers are NT, 2K, XPPRO and
> added in the domain)
> 3) Use a tool like iInventory (former LanAudit)
> http://www.iinventory.com
> Is a free tool up to 25 pc's. BUT, you need to be able to run a small
> program on each computer from the logon script or manual using
> sneakernet :-) or convince the user by phone to run it from a server or
> diskette.
>
>
> Erwin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:21 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
>
> Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network?
> thank you
>
> Lembit
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 24 10:43:52 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:43:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631247A@infoserver01.infostat.local>

The scroll wheel does not work in the Visual Basic Editor in *any* of
the Office apps ... Thank goodness.  I personally could live nicely
without scroll wheels on mice in any environment.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Brosdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de] 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


Hello,

my mousewheel does not work in the VBA windows of Access 2000 - I am
unable to scroll through the code with the wheel. In other applications
and even in Access it works fine. Is that a known problem? Is there any
way to make it work? I am using a Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0
with current Microsoft drivers, but the same problems occurs with
Logitech mice..

TIA,

Michael

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Nov 24 10:48:16 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:48:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEF8@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hoe hoe

Don't know, maybe there exist some tools/controls for domain manager
(NT) and/or Active directory services (W2K up).

Maybe you should consider looking at iInventory. They store the data in
a Access database and inventories also software on computers.

And again if u use domain manager/active directory all computers must be
in the domain (this can only be true for NT, W2K, XP pro).

There are some dos tools like "net view" but they do not always show all
computers, only those who are on and depending on the os if they have
netbeui installed or not....
And whom are in the same workgroup/domain....

Only sure thing is to run iInventory on each computer.
Or using sneakernet :-) 

Erwin

 

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Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network

thanks, Erwin,
but its the right list, since I want to do it from Access (A2k)

can I use the domain computermanager from within Access VB?

Lembit Soobik

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From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network


> Lembit, wrong list for this question, should be the tech list.
>
> Huumm
>
> 1) Using Sneakernet :-)
> 2) The domain computermanager (if all computers are NT, 2K, XPPRO and
> added in the domain)
> 3) Use a tool like iInventory (former LanAudit)
> http://www.iinventory.com
> Is a free tool up to 25 pc's. BUT, you need to be able to run a small
> program on each computer from the logon script or manual using
> sneakernet :-) or convince the user by phone to run it from a server
or
> diskette.
>
>
> Erwin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit
Soobik
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:21 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
>
> Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network?
> thank you
>
> Lembit
>
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Mon Nov 24 10:58:16 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:58:16 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
Message-ID: <24248381.1069693096180.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>

Couldn't you write a couple of lines of code to execute the following from a command prompt
Net View > filename.txt
then import the file directly into Access.... ????
Paul Hartland




Message date : Nov 24 2003, 04:34 PM 
>From : Lembit Soobik 
To : Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Copy to : 
Subject : Re: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network 
thanks, Erwin, 
but its the right list, since I want to do it from Access (A2k) 

can I use the domain computermanager from within Access VB? 

Lembit Soobik 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Erwin Craps" 
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 

Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:02 PM 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network 


> Lembit, wrong list for this question, should be the tech list. 
> 
> Huumm 
> 
> 1) Using Sneakernet :-) 
> 2) The domain computermanager (if all computers are NT, 2K, XPPRO and 
> added in the domain) 
> 3) Use a tool like iInventory (former LanAudit) 
> http://www.iinventory.com 
> Is a free tool up to 25 pc's. BUT, you need to be able to run a small 
> program on each computer from the logon script or manual using 
> sneakernet :-) or convince the user by phone to run it from a server or 
> diskette. 
> 
> 
> Erwin 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
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> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:21 PM 
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> Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network 
> 
> Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network? 
> thank you 
> 
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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Mon Nov 24 11:13:26 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:13:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEF8@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <013701c3b2ae$46708a20$0200a8c0@S856>

thanks Erwin,
will check iInventory

Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:48 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network


> Hoe hoe
>
> Don't know, maybe there exist some tools/controls for domain manager
> (NT) and/or Active directory services (W2K up).
>
> Maybe you should consider looking at iInventory. They store the data in
> a Access database and inventories also software on computers.
>
> And again if u use domain manager/active directory all computers must be
> in the domain (this can only be true for NT, W2K, XP pro).
>
> There are some dos tools like "net view" but they do not always show all
> computers, only those who are on and depending on the os if they have
> netbeui installed or not....
> And whom are in the same workgroup/domain....
>
> Only sure thing is to run iInventory on each computer.
> Or using sneakernet :-)
>
> Erwin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:30 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
>
> thanks, Erwin,
> but its the right list, since I want to do it from Access (A2k)
>
> can I use the domain computermanager from within Access VB?
>
> Lembit Soobik
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
>
>
> > Lembit, wrong list for this question, should be the tech list.
> >
> > Huumm
> >
> > 1) Using Sneakernet :-)
> > 2) The domain computermanager (if all computers are NT, 2K, XPPRO and
> > added in the domain)
> > 3) Use a tool like iInventory (former LanAudit)
> > http://www.iinventory.com
> > Is a free tool up to 25 pc's. BUT, you need to be able to run a small
> > program on each computer from the logon script or manual using
> > sneakernet :-) or convince the user by phone to run it from a server
> or
> > diskette.
> >
> >
> > Erwin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit
> Soobik
> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:21 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
> >
> > Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network?
> > thank you
> >
> > Lembit
> >
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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Mon Nov 24 11:00:47 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:30:47 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Freezing a datasheet rows like in Excel
References: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFKEFNDIAA.askolits@ot.com>
Message-ID: <00e201c3b2ae$2ede7390$86edf73d@winxp>

John,

    You might like to take a look at sample database named FreezeDatasheetRows.mdb at Rogers Access Library (Other Developers).

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
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  From: John Skolits 
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  Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 02:09
  Subject: [AccessD] Freezing a datasheet rows like in Excel


  Anyone know a way to allow a user to freeze rows in a datasheet view like
  you can freeze a frame in Excel?

  John Skolits


From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Mon Nov 24 11:13:59 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:13:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
References: <24248381.1069693096180.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
Message-ID: <013d01c3b2ae$5a01b1e0$0200a8c0@S856>

thank you, Paul
that sounds simple

Lembit Soobik

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From: <paul.hartland at fsmail.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network


> Couldn't you write a couple of lines of code to execute the following from a
command prompt
> Net View > filename.txt
> then import the file directly into Access.... ????
> Paul Hartland
>
>
>
>
> Message date : Nov 24 2003, 04:34 PM
> >From : Lembit Soobik
> To : Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Copy to :
> Subject : Re: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
> thanks, Erwin,
> but its the right list, since I want to do it from Access (A2k)
>
> can I use the domain computermanager from within Access VB?
>
> Lembit Soobik
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Erwin Craps"
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
>
>
> > Lembit, wrong list for this question, should be the tech list.
> >
> > Huumm
> >
> > 1) Using Sneakernet :-)
> > 2) The domain computermanager (if all computers are NT, 2K, XPPRO and
> > added in the domain)
> > 3) Use a tool like iInventory (former LanAudit)
> > http://www.iinventory.com
> > Is a free tool up to 25 pc's. BUT, you need to be able to run a small
> > program on each computer from the logon script or manual using
> > sneakernet :-) or convince the user by phone to run it from a server or
> > diskette.
> >
> >
> > Erwin
> >
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik
> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:21 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
> >
> > Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network?
> > thank you
> >
> > Lembit
> >
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Nov 24 12:20:05 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:20:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
In-Reply-To: <22527820.1069696515297.JavaMail.root@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <000001c3b2b7$98b76160$de1811d8@DanWaters>

The mouse wheel works fine for me in the code window.  I'm using Access XP
on Windows XP, but have used other office version with other Windows
versions and I can't remember not being able to use the mouse wheel.  I'm
currently using a Fellowes Mini Web Pro mouse (which is very nice if anyone
happens to be looking for a small optical mouse).

Dan Waters

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


The scroll wheel does not work in the Visual Basic Editor in *any* of the
Office apps ... Thank goodness.  I personally could live nicely without
scroll wheels on mice in any environment.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Brosdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de] 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


Hello,

my mousewheel does not work in the VBA windows of Access 2000 - I am unable
to scroll through the code with the wheel. In other applications and even in
Access it works fine. Is that a known problem? Is there any way to make it
work? I am using a Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 with current
Microsoft drivers, but the same problems occurs with Logitech mice..

TIA,

Michael

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From artful at rogers.com  Mon Nov 24 15:44:55 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:44:55 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631244A@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000001c3b2d4$3ba780f0$6701a8c0@rock>

Sorry to play the pessimist, but there IS such a thing as a one-time
app: the one that doesn't work :-)

To put it another way, if you haven't got time to do it right, where
will you find the time to do it again?

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation


Gina,

There is no such thing as a one-time use application, trust me.  If it
works, they'll want to keep using it.  



From michael.broesdorf at web.de  Mon Nov 24 13:10:34 2003
From: michael.broesdorf at web.de (=?us-ascii?Q?Michael_Brosdorf?=)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:10:34 +0100
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631247A@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHCELLEOAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>

Charlotte,

I am so used to it, I catch myself trying to use the wheel on mice missing
one...
Navigating through large documents is so much easier!

There ws this funny experience when a colleague asked me to fix something on
his Word document. He was using Word for Macintosh. I was desperately trying
to bring up the context menu using the right mouse key. However, it took a
while for me to realize that Macintosh computers only have on mouse key...

Michael

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Charlotte
Foust
Gesendet: Montag, 24. November 2003 17:44
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


The scroll wheel does not work in the Visual Basic Editor in *any* of
the Office apps ... Thank goodness.  I personally could live nicely
without scroll wheels on mice in any environment.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Brosdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


Hello,

my mousewheel does not work in the VBA windows of Access 2000 - I am
unable to scroll through the code with the wheel. In other applications
and even in Access it works fine. Is that a known problem? Is there any
way to make it work? I am using a Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0
with current Microsoft drivers, but the same problems occurs with
Logitech mice..

TIA,

Michael

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov 24 15:02:35 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:02:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275DB@main2.marlow.com>

The Compile on Demand is an option that either compiles your code in it's
entirety when your application starts (the option would be off for this..),
or compiles it when it is required (when you have Compile on Demand on). The
big difference is startup speed.  If you project has a lot of code, if you
don't use 'Compile on Demand', you are going to get a startup delay as
Access compiles the VBA code.  The second option (background compile) is a
subset of compile on demand.  If you have compile on demand set, you can use
the background compile option to have Access compile it's code during idle
time periods.

The reason you have these options, is because VBA is a 'higher' language,
which means it makes sense (or it should...) to a human.  But the CPU itself
still requires machine language to be sent to it, so your VBA code must be
compiled into machine language, in order for the CPU to carry out your
instructions.  I wonder if you have the Compile on Demand turned off, if you
wouldn't be allowed to make changes to code on the fly, when the application
is running.  Hmmmm.....

Anyhow, I don't see a real reason to not have both options checked.  If you
want your code to be compiled all the time, use an .mde.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.


 
 
Hi
 
I was wondering something.
In the VBA editor in options>common(?)>Compile
You can click two options for compiling.
I have the dutch version and I find that the help is poorly explaining
the exact use of these options (if not for everything:-(.
Compile at request and background compiling.
 
I wonder if anyone could explain me what those options do and what best
choice is...
 

 

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov 24 15:05:11 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:05:11 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275DC@main2.marlow.com>

My IBM Aptiva came with a mouse that had a 'joystick' instead of a scroll
wheel.  (So you could scroll left-right and up-down).  Funny thing, it also
worked in the Visual Basic Editor window.  When I started working at Marlow,
I tried bringing that mouse in to work, but it just didn't seem to work
unless it was plugged into the Aptiva it came with.  (The mouse worked, just
not the joystick.)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


The scroll wheel does not work in the Visual Basic Editor in *any* of
the Office apps ... Thank goodness.  I personally could live nicely
without scroll wheels on mice in any environment.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Brosdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de] 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


Hello,

my mousewheel does not work in the VBA windows of Access 2000 - I am
unable to scroll through the code with the wheel. In other applications
and even in Access it works fine. Is that a known problem? Is there any
way to make it work? I am using a Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0
with current Microsoft drivers, but the same problems occurs with
Logitech mice..

TIA,

Michael

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov 24 15:06:51 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:06:51 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275DD@main2.marlow.com>

Oh sure, just give out the real site! <grin> 

Drew

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Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


I think that you mean www.persits.com.  :)

Bobby

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Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


persists.com They have a component called ASPEmail.  You can use it with VBA
too.  Just give it the SMTP server, and you are off and running.  It has
both a free and 'pro' versions.  The free is pretty decent, does all of the
basic email functions.

Drew

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Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Charlotte,

You said, 'Feel free to write your own."  

I've looked at the Redemption web site, and while it's not too expensive,
all I really need is to be able to send simple emails from within Access
without the 'are you sure' dialog.  Do you know where I could learn enough
about Extended MAPI to do just this?

Thanks,
Dan Waters



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


This thread seems to be degenerating into Microsoft bashing and rant, but
let me clarify something.  The Redemption dll is NOT a control.  It is a
library that you call into, a wrapper for Extended MAPI calls. Feel free to
write your own ... Or to use a different email application ... Or to use
SMTP instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...



The Outlook security patch is a half-assed reaction to what was at the time
a big press issue.  With repeated massive virus attacks crippling mail
servers world wide, they had to appear do something for public image and if
it helped lessen the problem all the better.  This was quick and dirty and
since it was done, it stuck, but at least in later office versions you could
uncripple outlook for certain things.  Why is it half assed?

1. It is indiscriminate and broke a lot of existing and widely used
applications that hooked into outlook.  Remember that Office and vba is
supposed to be all about flexibility developing solutions.  They broke that
big time.

2. It isn't about fixing security vulnerabilites.  MS has had plenty of
security vulnerabilites and they fix those with minor patches, not wholesale
surgery on applications.  The patch doesn't stop you receiving viruses, or
running them, or them sending mail out simple inbuilt smtp engines which
most successful trojans have had for years.  By and large viruses/trojan in
this day and age do not use security vulnerabilities as their primary means
of infection.

3. And this is the kicker for me.  If redemption bypasses security by using
extended mapi, how long will it really be before some virus/trojan writer
uses extended mapi to access the address book.  Remember the majority of
viruses these days are trojans not scripts.  They don't use security
vulnerabilites to spread and infect, they use social engineering to trick
people into thinking they are from people they know.

So should I now spend US$200 on a control that may well be crippled sometime
soon as MS uses the same half baked strategy again.  If they are going to
close access to the address book why not close it the first time, and not
leave a back door that will spawn another generation of super spreading
viruses? 

It it worth trying to bypass Outlook security?  If I can bypass it with a
simple control, so any decent virus writer with half a brain can build the
same into his newest attack.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, 21 November, 2003 8:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
> 
> 
> On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:
> 
> > 
> > >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that
> turns it on. (A2K)
> > Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious
> VBScript code from
> > propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your
> clients not to
> > install security patches so your email code will work?
> > 
> > 
> I'm with JC 100% on this one.
> 
> The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting
> machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's 
> not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.
> 
> It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess
> communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite 
> paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which has 
> the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing 
> applications.
> 
> Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
> (At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email
> programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about 
> it at all <VBG>)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov 24 15:13:03 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:13:03 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275DE@main2.marlow.com>

Just out of curiousity...why?  I only ask, because you can do this with VBA,
the process would be to get the subnet of the machine you are on (API
calls), then do a DNS reverse lookup on every IP address in the subnet (more
API calls).  The question is, why do you want to know this?  Just curious...

Drew

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Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network


Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network?
thank you

Lembit 

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From pedro at plex.nl  Mon Nov 24 14:28:42 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:28:42 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] mailmerge Format Yes\No
Message-ID: <000601c3b2d1$208bfce0$f7c581d5@pedro>

Hello Group,


i use mailmerge for creating word-documents from access.
This is done by using code.

The following line is a peace of this code:
item("Drawing").value = Nz(Me![txtDrawing])

in word i use the following code with properties
{DOCPROPERTY "Drawing" \*MERGEFORMAT}

txtDrawing is a checkbox. In the word-document i get as result: -1 or 0

i would like Yes \ No or in Dutch Ja \ Nee

i tried things like:
item("Drawing").value = Format(Nz(Me![txtDrawing]), "Ja \ Nee")

or

{DOCPROPERTY "Drawing" \@"Ja \ Nee" \*MERGEFORMAT}

with no result.

How can i get the good format?

TIA

Pedro Janssen




From pedro at plex.nl  Mon Nov 24 15:21:51 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:21:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates
Message-ID: <000801c3b2d1$22d6d740$f7c581d5@pedro>

Hello Group,
 
 
I have a table with two fields which are X and Y coordinates. 
 
X                     Y
  97,234           234,632
  98,456           257,678
107,453           278,945
107,234           278,346
109,123           245,567
 
i need as result
 
X                     Y
  97,500           237,500
  97,500           257,500
107,500           277,500
107,500           277,500
 
on the result i would like a distinct.
 


Can this be done in one query?
 
TIA
 
Pedro Janssen


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 24 15:37:41 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:37:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631247E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I wouldn't call that a one-time app, Arthur.  If it doesn't work, it
won't be used the first time. <G>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 1:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation


Sorry to play the pessimist, but there IS such a thing as a one-time
app: the one that doesn't work :-)

To put it another way, if you haven't got time to do it right, where
will you find the time to do it again?

Arthur

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Foust
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation


Gina,

There is no such thing as a one-time use application, trust me.  If it
works, they'll want to keep using it.  


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 24 15:39:50 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:39:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631247F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

That's interesting because I'm using Access XP on WinXP with a Microsoft
mouse and it does NOT work in any of the VBE windows.  Nor does it work
in Office 2000 on my Win2k machine (with a super mini mouse).  Do you
have some kind of special magic you worked in the registry?  I don't
want to use it, but maybe someone else will.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


The mouse wheel works fine for me in the code window.  I'm using Access
XP on Windows XP, but have used other office version with other Windows
versions and I can't remember not being able to use the mouse wheel.
I'm currently using a Fellowes Mini Web Pro mouse (which is very nice if
anyone happens to be looking for a small optical mouse).

Dan Waters

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


The scroll wheel does not work in the Visual Basic Editor in *any* of
the Office apps ... Thank goodness.  I personally could live nicely
without scroll wheels on mice in any environment.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Brosdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de] 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


Hello,

my mousewheel does not work in the VBA windows of Access 2000 - I am
unable to scroll through the code with the wheel. In other applications
and even in Access it works fine. Is that a known problem? Is there any
way to make it work? I am using a Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0
with current Microsoft drivers, but the same problems occurs with
Logitech mice..

TIA,

Michael

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Nov 24 16:22:34 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:22:34 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
In-Reply-To: <10857578.1069710579708.JavaMail.root@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <000001c3b2d9$756d4a90$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Charlotte,

I couldn't find anything relevant in any Access option settings.  In the
control panel for the mouse, there is an advanced wheel setting where you
can specify applications where the mouse wheel does not work.  It's possible
that Access is included in this list on your PC.  For survival's sake I stay
out of the registry!

Dan

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 3:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


That's interesting because I'm using Access XP on WinXP with a Microsoft
mouse and it does NOT work in any of the VBE windows.  Nor does it work in
Office 2000 on my Win2k machine (with a super mini mouse).  Do you have some
kind of special magic you worked in the registry?  I don't want to use it,
but maybe someone else will.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


The mouse wheel works fine for me in the code window.  I'm using Access XP
on Windows XP, but have used other office version with other Windows
versions and I can't remember not being able to use the mouse wheel. I'm
currently using a Fellowes Mini Web Pro mouse (which is very nice if anyone
happens to be looking for a small optical mouse).

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


The scroll wheel does not work in the Visual Basic Editor in *any* of the
Office apps ... Thank goodness.  I personally could live nicely without
scroll wheels on mice in any environment.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Brosdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de] 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


Hello,

my mousewheel does not work in the VBA windows of Access 2000 - I am unable
to scroll through the code with the wheel. In other applications and even in
Access it works fine. Is that a known problem? Is there any way to make it
work? I am using a Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 with current
Microsoft drivers, but the same problems occurs with Logitech mice..

TIA,

Michael

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Nov 24 16:23:38 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:23:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <28922294.1069708927653.JavaMail.root@sniper.marix.com>
Message-ID: <000101c3b2d9$9ee1c770$de1811d8@DanWaters>

It's OK.  I knew what Drew meant!

Dan

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 3:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Oh sure, just give out the real site! <grin> 

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


I think that you mean www.persits.com.  :)

Bobby

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


persists.com They have a component called ASPEmail.  You can use it with VBA
too.  Just give it the SMTP server, and you are off and running.  It has
both a free and 'pro' versions.  The free is pretty decent, does all of the
basic email functions.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Charlotte,

You said, 'Feel free to write your own."  

I've looked at the Redemption web site, and while it's not too expensive,
all I really need is to be able to send simple emails from within Access
without the 'are you sure' dialog.  Do you know where I could learn enough
about Extended MAPI to do just this?

Thanks,
Dan Waters



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


This thread seems to be degenerating into Microsoft bashing and rant, but
let me clarify something.  The Redemption dll is NOT a control.  It is a
library that you call into, a wrapper for Extended MAPI calls. Feel free to
write your own ... Or to use a different email application ... Or to use
SMTP instead.

Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...



The Outlook security patch is a half-assed reaction to what was at the time
a big press issue.  With repeated massive virus attacks crippling mail
servers world wide, they had to appear do something for public image and if
it helped lessen the problem all the better.  This was quick and dirty and
since it was done, it stuck, but at least in later office versions you could
uncripple outlook for certain things.  Why is it half assed?

1. It is indiscriminate and broke a lot of existing and widely used
applications that hooked into outlook.  Remember that Office and vba is
supposed to be all about flexibility developing solutions.  They broke that
big time.

2. It isn't about fixing security vulnerabilites.  MS has had plenty of
security vulnerabilites and they fix those with minor patches, not wholesale
surgery on applications.  The patch doesn't stop you receiving viruses, or
running them, or them sending mail out simple inbuilt smtp engines which
most successful trojans have had for years.  By and large viruses/trojan in
this day and age do not use security vulnerabilities as their primary means
of infection.

3. And this is the kicker for me.  If redemption bypasses security by using
extended mapi, how long will it really be before some virus/trojan writer
uses extended mapi to access the address book.  Remember the majority of
viruses these days are trojans not scripts.  They don't use security
vulnerabilites to spread and infect, they use social engineering to trick
people into thinking they are from people they know.

So should I now spend US$200 on a control that may well be crippled sometime
soon as MS uses the same half baked strategy again.  If they are going to
close access to the address book why not close it the first time, and not
leave a back door that will spawn another generation of super spreading
viruses? 

It it worth trying to bypass Outlook security?  If I can bypass it with a
simple control, so any decent virus writer with half a brain can build the
same into his newest attack.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, 21 November, 2003 8:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
> 
> 
> On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:
> 
> > 
> > >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that
> turns it on. (A2K)
> > Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious
> VBScript code from
> > propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your
> clients not to
> > install security patches so your email code will work?
> > 
> > 
> I'm with JC 100% on this one.
> 
> The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting 
> machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's 
> not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.
> 
> It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess 
> communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite 
> paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which has 
> the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing 
> applications.
> 
> Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
> (At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email 
> programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about 
> it at all <VBG>)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
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> Support.
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Nov 24 16:33:39 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:33:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
In-Reply-To: <008701c3b2a0$1dfbd260$0200a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <3FC313E3.2383.423894@localhost>

On 24 Nov 2003 at 16:21, Lembit Soobik wrote:

> Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network?
> thank you
> 
One way would be to use a tool like Angry IP Scanner
http://www.angryziber.com/ipscan/

 
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From pedro at plex.nl  Mon Nov 24 16:36:47 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 23:36:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates (correction)
References: <000801c3b2d1$22d6d740$f7c581d5@pedro>
Message-ID: <001301c3b2db$72f47070$f7c581d5@pedro>

I made some mistakes with the data, below is the correction


I have a table with two fields which are X and Y coordinates. 

X                     Y
  97,234           234,632
  98,456           257,678
107,453           278,945
107,234           278,346
109,123           242,134
  
 i need as result
  
 X                     Y
  97,500           232,500
  97,500           257,500
107,500           277,500
107,500           277,500
107,500           242,500

on the result i would like a distinct.
  
 Can this be done in one query?
  
 TIA
  
 Pedro Janssen

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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Mon Nov 24 16:53:46 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:53:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631247F@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <PBEDKHOENPLNGHCEPCDPAEDMDFAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>


  You need to load the mouse driver pack for your model. If you only allow
Win XP to install it's drivers for the mouse, it will not work in all
environments....

Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


That's interesting because I'm using Access XP on WinXP with a Microsoft
mouse and it does NOT work in any of the VBE windows.  Nor does it work
in Office 2000 on my Win2k machine (with a super mini mouse).  Do you
have some kind of special magic you worked in the registry?  I don't
want to use it, but maybe someone else will.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


The mouse wheel works fine for me in the code window.  I'm using Access
XP on Windows XP, but have used other office version with other Windows
versions and I can't remember not being able to use the mouse wheel.
I'm currently using a Fellowes Mini Web Pro mouse (which is very nice if
anyone happens to be looking for a small optical mouse).

Dan Waters

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


The scroll wheel does not work in the Visual Basic Editor in *any* of
the Office apps ... Thank goodness.  I personally could live nicely
without scroll wheels on mice in any environment.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Brosdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


Hello,

my mousewheel does not work in the VBA windows of Access 2000 - I am
unable to scroll through the code with the wheel. In other applications
and even in Access it works fine. Is that a known problem? Is there any
way to make it work? I am using a Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0
with current Microsoft drivers, but the same problems occurs with
Logitech mice..

TIA,

Michael

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From my.lists at verizon.net  Mon Nov 24 17:12:51 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:12:51 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Re: A2K - Access send email via Groupwise (non-SMTP)
In-Reply-To: <000501c3b2da$6bcc4670$f1c683a5@eau1lnc54198>
References: <COELIMJILMGKEBDDELHFCEHKCBAA.lauren_horn@health.state.ak.us>
	<000501c3b2da$6bcc4670$f1c683a5@eau1lnc54198>
Message-ID: <3FC29073.7060209@verizon.net>

I just finished putting together an SSD that has the "blat" function we use in order to email out.  You'll need to add your own Mail Server IP and UserID and Password, in order for it to work and also d/l a copy of blat from it's home page, I've included the link in the SSD for those who wish to try it out.  Blatint email has been so easy that I don't have to worry about such things as the SR patches nor any other limitations brought up from CDO's or SendMail or event the Mapi functions on like the one on the Trigeminal (sp?) site.

I'll be forwarding the SSD to Roger's site but until then anyone who would like a copy can email me OTL.
-- 
-Francisco


Duane Hookom wrote:

>Try this link from mvps.org. I think this is for Access 97
>
>http://www.mvps.org/access/modules/mdl0059.htm
>
>
>Duane Hookom
>Microsoft Access MVP
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Lauren Horn" <lauren_horn at HEALTH.STATE.AK.US>
>To: <ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
>Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:12 PM
>Subject: Re: A2K - Access send email via Groupwise (non-SMTP)
>
>
>  
>
>>I haven't done it, but I've heard others say they have.
>>
>>You might want to check the PDF and Mail Class Libary for Access on this
>>site:
>>http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/attac-cg/
>>
>>    
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Microsoft Access Database Discussion List
>>>[mailto:ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM]On Behalf Of Kevin Carpenter
>>>Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:41 AM
>>>To: ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
>>>Subject: A2K - Access send email via Groupwise (non-SMTP)
>>>
>>>
>>>Can it do it?
>>>
>>>Has anyone done it?
>>>
>>>-:>Kevin
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 24 17:16:00 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:16:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312480@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Aha!  I knew there was a reason for not loading mouse software! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Gracie [mailto:Subscriptions at servicexp.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 2:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window



  You need to load the mouse driver pack for your model. If you only
allow Win XP to install it's drivers for the mouse, it will not work in
all environments....

Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


That's interesting because I'm using Access XP on WinXP with a Microsoft
mouse and it does NOT work in any of the VBE windows.  Nor does it work
in Office 2000 on my Win2k machine (with a super mini mouse).  Do you
have some kind of special magic you worked in the registry?  I don't
want to use it, but maybe someone else will.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


The mouse wheel works fine for me in the code window.  I'm using Access
XP on Windows XP, but have used other office version with other Windows
versions and I can't remember not being able to use the mouse wheel. I'm
currently using a Fellowes Mini Web Pro mouse (which is very nice if
anyone happens to be looking for a small optical mouse).

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


The scroll wheel does not work in the Visual Basic Editor in *any* of
the Office apps ... Thank goodness.  I personally could live nicely
without scroll wheels on mice in any environment.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Brosdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


Hello,

my mousewheel does not work in the VBA windows of Access 2000 - I am
unable to scroll through the code with the wheel. In other applications
and even in Access it works fine. Is that a known problem? Is there any
way to make it work? I am using a Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0
with current Microsoft drivers, but the same problems occurs with
Logitech mice..

TIA,

Michael

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov 24 17:17:44 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:17:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB045@ADGSERVER>
	<008701c3b2a0$1dfbd260$0200a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <003501c3b2e1$2fb78d50$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0058.htm

...the workstation names are included in the level 2 data ...HTH :)

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

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From: "Lembit Soobik" <Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:21 AM
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network


> Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network?
> thank you
>
> Lembit
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From tomk at multiline.com.au  Mon Nov 24 17:37:32 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 07:37:32 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL Server
References: 	<916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB045@ADGSERVER><008701c3b2a0$1dfbd260$0200a8c0@S856>
	<003501c3b2e1$2fb78d50$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <003001c3b2e3$f0e1dc40$0300a8c0@print>

Hi all...

I contract to a large company producing some goods which require me to
process 450 individual orders each month. These orders come from 450
different sources and are (currently) sent to me via 450 individual excel
spreadsheets. To this end I have developed an Access database to process
these orders and also produce the goods.

In the New Year the company is going to change their ordering system to SQL
server and all orders will be placed over the Web therefore centralising
their ordering system. They have asked me what information I need to produce
what I normally do from the server. I think the move is WELL overdue BUT...

I  know little (OK... NOTHING) about SQL server and its capabilities and
would not know the most efficient way of extracting the data.

The data I need is Customer name and address (approx 450), Description of
goods (Up to 700 items Per customer), and quantity to buy.

My head tells me that read only access to a query via ODBC into SQL Server
is the way to go   but many of you are working with Access AND SQL server
and I thought I would ask within the group for advice.

Can I talk technically about SQL server the way I talk about Access ....ie
is the terminology the same as in Tables, Queries, Forms and Modules etc
(certainly dont want to appear stupid when talking about it)

What connection options are there (I am physically 3000 miles from the
server)

The little I have gleaned about SQL server suggests that it is like the "Big
Brother" to Access which means that I can talk about it the way I would talk
about Access but ......am I correct?

As always any help would be appreciated

Regards

Tom Keatley




From djkr at msn.com  Mon Nov 24 17:55:48 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 23:55:48 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates
In-Reply-To: <000801c3b2d1$22d6d740$f7c581d5@pedro>
Message-ID: <007901c3b2e6$7b9684b0$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

Pedro

You don't say how the results relate to the data - or am I missing something
obvious?

John


> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Pedro Janssen
> Sent: 24 November 2003 21:22
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates
> 
> 
> Hello Group,
>  
>  
> I have a table with two fields which are X and Y coordinates. 
>  
> X                     Y
>   97,234           234,632
>   98,456           257,678
> 107,453           278,945
> 107,234           278,346
> 109,123           245,567
>  
> i need as result
>  
> X                     Y
>   97,500           237,500
>   97,500           257,500
> 107,500           277,500
> 107,500           277,500
>  
> on the result i would like a distinct.
>  
> 
> 
> Can this be done in one query?
>  
> TIA
>  
> Pedro Janssen
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov 24 18:20:45 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:20:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL Server
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275E3@main2.marlow.com>

I must admit I am a relative newbie to digging into SQL Server, but I can
give you a few pointers.  

First of all, the data terminology is similar, but SQL is JUST a backend.
No forms, no modules, no reports.  Since it is a server side db, it has
options not available with Access, such as data triggers.  

Secondly, I haven't found SQL server to be all that difficult to mess around
with.  The Enterprise Manager (it's administrative interface) is pretty well
organized, and thus it's easy to import, export, edit and view data directly
in the database.  Didn't take much time at all to pick up.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Keatley [mailto:tomk at multiline.com.au]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL Server


Hi all...

I contract to a large company producing some goods which require me to
process 450 individual orders each month. These orders come from 450
different sources and are (currently) sent to me via 450 individual excel
spreadsheets. To this end I have developed an Access database to process
these orders and also produce the goods.

In the New Year the company is going to change their ordering system to SQL
server and all orders will be placed over the Web therefore centralising
their ordering system. They have asked me what information I need to produce
what I normally do from the server. I think the move is WELL overdue BUT...

I  know little (OK... NOTHING) about SQL server and its capabilities and
would not know the most efficient way of extracting the data.

The data I need is Customer name and address (approx 450), Description of
goods (Up to 700 items Per customer), and quantity to buy.

My head tells me that read only access to a query via ODBC into SQL Server
is the way to go   but many of you are working with Access AND SQL server
and I thought I would ask within the group for advice.

Can I talk technically about SQL server the way I talk about Access ....ie
is the terminology the same as in Tables, Queries, Forms and Modules etc
(certainly dont want to appear stupid when talking about it)

What connection options are there (I am physically 3000 miles from the
server)

The little I have gleaned about SQL server suggests that it is like the "Big
Brother" to Access which means that I can talk about it the way I would talk
about Access but ......am I correct?

As always any help would be appreciated

Regards

Tom Keatley



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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Mon Nov 24 18:34:37 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:34:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <003001c3b2e3$f0e1dc40$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <001901c3b2eb$e92faba0$7001a8c0@COA3>

Well, not exactly ... Tables are tables, but ... In SQL Server, the
eqivalent of a query is a View.  SQL Stored Procedures are roughly
equivalent to Modules (but they are written in T-SQL, not VBA ...
Although they are saying that in some future version you can write SP's
in VB.net ... I can't wait for that, I hate T-SQL!)... And SP's can
return data (like views) or execute insert/update/delete commands. 

BUT ... There are no Forms/Reports; you still need Access (or VB, or ASP
pages) to be the Front End for your users.  

You can use Access as the FE, and link tables (or views) as you would a
back-end .mdb.  So, you *might* get away with a copy of your current
.mdb, linked to a View of the same name(s) as you current tables, with
no other changes to the current Access application.  

Hope this is a good start,

Steve






-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tom Keatley
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 6:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL Server


Hi all...

I contract to a large company producing some goods which require me to
process 450 individual orders each month. These orders come from 450
different sources and are (currently) sent to me via 450 individual
excel spreadsheets. To this end I have developed an Access database to
process these orders and also produce the goods.

In the New Year the company is going to change their ordering system to
SQL server and all orders will be placed over the Web therefore
centralising their ordering system. They have asked me what information
I need to produce what I normally do from the server. I think the move
is WELL overdue BUT...

I  know little (OK... NOTHING) about SQL server and its capabilities and
would not know the most efficient way of extracting the data.

The data I need is Customer name and address (approx 450), Description
of goods (Up to 700 items Per customer), and quantity to buy.

My head tells me that read only access to a query via ODBC into SQL
Server
is the way to go   but many of you are working with Access AND SQL
server
and I thought I would ask within the group for advice.

Can I talk technically about SQL server the way I talk about Access
....ie is the terminology the same as in Tables, Queries, Forms and
Modules etc (certainly dont want to appear stupid when talking about it)

What connection options are there (I am physically 3000 miles from the
server)

The little I have gleaned about SQL server suggests that it is like the
"Big Brother" to Access which means that I can talk about it the way I
would talk about Access but ......am I correct?

As always any help would be appreciated

Regards

Tom Keatley



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From my.lists at verizon.net  Mon Nov 24 19:20:12 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:20:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <001901c3b2eb$e92faba0$7001a8c0@COA3>
References: <001901c3b2eb$e92faba0$7001a8c0@COA3>
Message-ID: <3FC2AE4C.7070703@verizon.net>

Don't talk about SQL Sever as Access big brother.  SQL Server is a robust engine which specifically addresses the need for Very Large Databases (vldb).  Things are handled a lot more diffrent in SQL Server in that you now will normally not want to allow users or processes to touch the actual table via a simple ODBC connection, instead you will create VIEWS which are like queries but cannot take parameters.  To use parameters you will need to use Stored Procedures which are written in TSQL which should be easy enough for you to grasp if you've ever used VBA.  Lastly TSQL is an awesome tool.  Using Sql Server 2000 and Query Analyzer you can even debug a stored procedure.

In Sql Server you can write scripts (in TSQL) that run on the SQL Agent, and you can schedule this to fire on a trigger, alert, or schedule.

lastly if you are trying to find the shortest point between 2 lines then the view option mentioned below is probably the most optimal.  If your Acces Front End is simply for data import then this is very acceptable, if not, then it is a plausible solution for the interim, while you work on a more robust interface using an Access Data Project which is simply a front end to Sql Server.

lastly sign up to the dba-sqlserver list and also the Sql Server Central Home website, it is very informative and has a very robust library of SQL Scripts.

http://www.sqlservercentral.com/default.asp

-- 
-Francisco


Developer wrote:

>Well, not exactly ... Tables are tables, but ... In SQL Server, the
>eqivalent of a query is a View.  SQL Stored Procedures are roughly
>equivalent to Modules (but they are written in T-SQL, not VBA ...
>Although they are saying that in some future version you can write SP's
>in VB.net ... I can't wait for that, I hate T-SQL!)... And SP's can
>return data (like views) or execute insert/update/delete commands. 
>
>BUT ... There are no Forms/Reports; you still need Access (or VB, or ASP
>pages) to be the Front End for your users.  
>
>You can use Access as the FE, and link tables (or views) as you would a
>back-end .mdb.  So, you *might* get away with a copy of your current
>.mdb, linked to a View of the same name(s) as you current tables, with
>no other changes to the current Access application.  
>
>Hope this is a good start,
>
>Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tom Keatley
>Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 6:38 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL Server
>
>
>Hi all...
>
>I contract to a large company producing some goods which require me to
>process 450 individual orders each month. These orders come from 450
>different sources and are (currently) sent to me via 450 individual
>excel spreadsheets. To this end I have developed an Access database to
>process these orders and also produce the goods.
>
>In the New Year the company is going to change their ordering system to
>SQL server and all orders will be placed over the Web therefore
>centralising their ordering system. They have asked me what information
>I need to produce what I normally do from the server. I think the move
>is WELL overdue BUT...
>
>I  know little (OK... NOTHING) about SQL server and its capabilities and
>would not know the most efficient way of extracting the data.
>
>The data I need is Customer name and address (approx 450), Description
>of goods (Up to 700 items Per customer), and quantity to buy.
>
>My head tells me that read only access to a query via ODBC into SQL
>Server
>is the way to go   but many of you are working with Access AND SQL
>server
>and I thought I would ask within the group for advice.
>
>Can I talk technically about SQL server the way I talk about Access
>....ie is the terminology the same as in Tables, Queries, Forms and
>Modules etc (certainly dont want to appear stupid when talking about it)
>
>What connection options are there (I am physically 3000 miles from the
>server)
>
>The little I have gleaned about SQL server suggests that it is like the
>"Big Brother" to Access which means that I can talk about it the way I
>would talk about Access but ......am I correct?
>
>As always any help would be appreciated
>
>Regards
>
>Tom Keatley
>
>  
>



From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Mon Nov 24 20:54:20 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:54:20 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Performance issue - QueryDef
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F29088522@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Line 3 below takes 4 seconds to execute:
 
    1.  Dim db as DAO.database, qdf as DAO.QueryDef 
    2.  set db = Currentdb() 
    3.  set qdf = db.QueryDefs("qryTransactionEntryFormGenerate")
        4.  For each prm in qdf.Parameters
        5.    prm.value = Eval(prm.Name)
        6.  Next prm
        7.  qdf.execute
 
The query is an Append query, the table being appended to is empty.  The execution time is negligible.  Why should line 4 take so long??

Stephen Bond 


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but most of the time he will pick himself up
and continue on.
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From glen_mcwilliams at msn.com  Mon Nov 24 21:11:55 2003
From: glen_mcwilliams at msn.com (Glen McWilliams)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:11:55 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control
References: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059DDF@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV128ieeYnlU600007350@hotmail.com>

Kath

It should be the After Update  event, not the On Change event.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Garraway, Alun 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:06 AM
  Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  ok

  create a modul and declare a public variable.

  then for the combo on change event
  try this:

  Private Sub cboSheet1_Change()
      
      myVar = Me.cboSheet1.Value
      
  End Sub

  note: cboSheet1 is the name of my combobox
  and MyVar is the public variable in the modul
  hth
  alun


  -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
  Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
  Pelletti
  Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 09:46
  An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Betreff: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  Hi Alan - it's just on the worksheet.
  Kath
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Garraway, Alun 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:35 PM
    Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


    hi Kath,

    is the control on an excel worksheet or are u using
    a userform?

    alun

    -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
    Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
    Pelletti
    Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 00:38
    An: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    Betreff: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


    Can anyone tell me how to refer to a form control in Excel (in this case a combo box) so that I can read its contents into a variable in vba?

    Urgent.
    TIA


    Kath Pelletti
    Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
    Ph: 9505-6714
    Fax: 9505-6430
    sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Mon Nov 24 21:14:21 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:14:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Performance issue - QueryDef
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE186@TAPPEEXCH01>

Steven,
If this is a fairly complex query, it probably takes the SQL parser a bit of
time to process it so it can generate a list of parameters.  Try opening it
in design view.  How long does it take?  Then, it has to determine whether
what the parameters are: controls on a form or otherwise.


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 8:54 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Performance issue - QueryDef

Line 3 below takes 4 seconds to execute:
 
    1.  Dim db as DAO.database, qdf as DAO.QueryDef 
    2.  set db = Currentdb() 
    3.  set qdf = db.QueryDefs("qryTransactionEntryFormGenerate")
        4.  For each prm in qdf.Parameters
        5.    prm.value = Eval(prm.Name)
        6.  Next prm
        7.  qdf.execute
 
The query is an Append query, the table being appended to is empty.  The
execution time is negligible.  Why should line 4 take so long??

Stephen Bond 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov 24 21:11:59 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:11:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <003001c3b2e3$f0e1dc40$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEBADAAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Tom:

You do not have to give up your Access Front-End and it is straight-forward
to connect to a SQL7/2000 Back-End. 450 orders through a MS SQL DB would be
effortless on the SQL server. You can either use ODBC, setup through your
control panel or ADO-OLE, setup directly through your Access. There are a
number of steps to go through and it would be best to ask the 'list' when
you reach an impasse, on the specific problem, then continue until the next
crisis. The recommended list group to get involved with would be the SQL
list at http://dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com (That list specialists in
MS SQL issues.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tom Keatley
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 3:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL Server


Hi all...

I contract to a large company producing some goods which require me to
process 450 individual orders each month. These orders come from 450
different sources and are (currently) sent to me via 450 individual excel
spreadsheets. To this end I have developed an Access database to process
these orders and also produce the goods.

In the New Year the company is going to change their ordering system to SQL
server and all orders will be placed over the Web therefore centralising
their ordering system. They have asked me what information I need to produce
what I normally do from the server. I think the move is WELL overdue BUT...

I  know little (OK... NOTHING) about SQL server and its capabilities and
would not know the most efficient way of extracting the data.

The data I need is Customer name and address (approx 450), Description of
goods (Up to 700 items Per customer), and quantity to buy.

My head tells me that read only access to a query via ODBC into SQL Server
is the way to go   but many of you are working with Access AND SQL server
and I thought I would ask within the group for advice.

Can I talk technically about SQL server the way I talk about Access ....ie
is the terminology the same as in Tables, Queries, Forms and Modules etc
(certainly dont want to appear stupid when talking about it)

What connection options are there (I am physically 3000 miles from the
server)

The little I have gleaned about SQL server suggests that it is like the "Big
Brother" to Access which means that I can talk about it the way I would talk
about Access but ......am I correct?

As always any help would be appreciated

Regards

Tom Keatley



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov 24 21:15:09 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:15:09 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <3FC2AE4C.7070703@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFEEBBDAAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hey Francisco...don't scare the fellow off just yet. :-)

MS SQL is simple to use but can take a life-time to master. My first
exposure to MS SQL was when the box appeared on the top of the desk. A
couple of us then received a quicky, few days of training then it was off to
install and write the front-end... :-\ and it was up and running in less
than a month, with a few hicups of course....

...and it is still running.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H
Tapia
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access to SQL Server


Don't talk about SQL Sever as Access big brother.  SQL Server is a robust
engine which specifically addresses the need for Very Large Databases
(vldb).  Things are handled a lot more diffrent in SQL Server in that you
now will normally not want to allow users or processes to touch the actual
table via a simple ODBC connection, instead you will create VIEWS which are
like queries but cannot take parameters.  To use parameters you will need to
use Stored Procedures which are written in TSQL which should be easy enough
for you to grasp if you've ever used VBA.  Lastly TSQL is an awesome tool.
Using Sql Server 2000 and Query Analyzer you can even debug a stored
procedure.

In Sql Server you can write scripts (in TSQL) that run on the SQL Agent, and
you can schedule this to fire on a trigger, alert, or schedule.

lastly if you are trying to find the shortest point between 2 lines then the
view option mentioned below is probably the most optimal.  If your Acces
Front End is simply for data import then this is very acceptable, if not,
then it is a plausible solution for the interim, while you work on a more
robust interface using an Access Data Project which is simply a front end to
Sql Server.

lastly sign up to the dba-sqlserver list and also the Sql Server Central
Home website, it is very informative and has a very robust library of SQL
Scripts.

http://www.sqlservercentral.com/default.asp

--
-Francisco


Developer wrote:

>Well, not exactly ... Tables are tables, but ... In SQL Server, the
>eqivalent of a query is a View.  SQL Stored Procedures are roughly
>equivalent to Modules (but they are written in T-SQL, not VBA ...
>Although they are saying that in some future version you can write SP's
>in VB.net ... I can't wait for that, I hate T-SQL!)... And SP's can
>return data (like views) or execute insert/update/delete commands.
>
>BUT ... There are no Forms/Reports; you still need Access (or VB, or ASP
>pages) to be the Front End for your users.
>
>You can use Access as the FE, and link tables (or views) as you would a
>back-end .mdb.  So, you *might* get away with a copy of your current
>.mdb, linked to a View of the same name(s) as you current tables, with
>no other changes to the current Access application.
>
>Hope this is a good start,
>
>Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tom Keatley
>Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 6:38 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL Server
>
>
>Hi all...
>
>I contract to a large company producing some goods which require me to
>process 450 individual orders each month. These orders come from 450
>different sources and are (currently) sent to me via 450 individual
>excel spreadsheets. To this end I have developed an Access database to
>process these orders and also produce the goods.
>
>In the New Year the company is going to change their ordering system to
>SQL server and all orders will be placed over the Web therefore
>centralising their ordering system. They have asked me what information
>I need to produce what I normally do from the server. I think the move
>is WELL overdue BUT...
>
>I  know little (OK... NOTHING) about SQL server and its capabilities and
>would not know the most efficient way of extracting the data.
>
>The data I need is Customer name and address (approx 450), Description
>of goods (Up to 700 items Per customer), and quantity to buy.
>
>My head tells me that read only access to a query via ODBC into SQL
>Server
>is the way to go   but many of you are working with Access AND SQL
>server
>and I thought I would ask within the group for advice.
>
>Can I talk technically about SQL server the way I talk about Access
>....ie is the terminology the same as in Tables, Queries, Forms and
>Modules etc (certainly dont want to appear stupid when talking about it)
>
>What connection options are there (I am physically 3000 miles from the
>server)
>
>The little I have gleaned about SQL server suggests that it is like the
>"Big Brother" to Access which means that I can talk about it the way I
>would talk about Access but ......am I correct?
>
>As always any help would be appreciated
>
>Regards
>
>Tom Keatley
>
>
>


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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Mon Nov 24 21:48:43 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:48:43 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control
References: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059DDF@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>
	<000d01c3b02b$f3981ae0$6401a8c0@user>
	<BAY4-DAV1024qjpQEJh0000734e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002101c3b307$062225b0$6401a8c0@user>

Thanks Glen - I can see what you are getting at with the after_update vs. the on_Change and thanks for the sample.

It's taken me a couple of days to work out what's what with combo boxes in Excel and yours has been created with the combo box control on the forms toolbar, right? So it is an ActiveX control with on change events, value property etc. The only problem I have with that is that I am trying to create this app without ActiveX controls as it will be widely used by a client and I don't want to have any deployment issues.

The hassle of not using the ActiveXcontrol and going with the combo on the forms toolbar, though, is the lack of properties and events - it has no on change event - you can only assign a macro, define an input range, and a cell link. But I have found (YES!!) a way to reference that object in code which, coming from access vba development,  I find really strange.

1. You give the combo boxes named ranges (in my case Cbo_Entity, Cbo_CostCentre),
2. Not that the named ranges do not appear in the list of named ranges anywhere. (Why I don't know - that threw me for ages))
3. Assign a macro to the combo and in the vba window refer to that or any other combo boxes created using the syntax
    ActiveSheet.DrawingObjects("RangeNameofCombo") syntax.

eg. when my combo Cbo_Entity changes, change the source data (ie. input range)  for the other combo box Cbo_CostCentre:

Sub CboEntity_Change()    'name of assigned macro 
Dim strerrormsg As String
On Error GoTo Err_Handler

ThisWorkbook.Worksheets("lists").Activate
'
'Application.ScreenUpdating = False
ThisWorkbook.Worksheets("Lists 2").Activate
'
If Range("Sel_Entity") = 1 And (Range("Sel_Location") = 2) Then
    ThisWorkbook.Worksheets("Menu").Activate
    ActiveSheet.DrawingObjects("Cbo_CostCentre").Select                    'select the combo box
    With Selection
        .ListFillRange = "CostCentres_Range1"                                        'populate its source data with new range
        '.LinkedCell = "ExpSelection_No"
        .DropDownLines = 10
    End With
End If
--------------

Kath

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Glen McWilliams 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving ; SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  Kath,

  I was wrong, it is the On Change event. 
  See attached sample
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Kath Pelletti 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:35 AM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


    Thanks Alan - but the combo box (I used the one from the forms toolbar) does not appear to have a name property or an on change event. You can attach a macro (and therefore an event) to it but that's it - I can't find a way to refer back to that control name in the code.

    Maybe you are referring to the combo control from the Control Toolbox toolbar? I was reluctant to use that because I think I read that it would require registration on distribution??

    Kath
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Garraway, Alun 
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
      Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:06 PM
      Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


      ok

      create a modul and declare a public variable.

      then for the combo on change event
      try this:

      Private Sub cboSheet1_Change()
          
          myVar = Me.cboSheet1.Value
          
      End Sub

      note: cboSheet1 is the name of my combobox
      and MyVar is the public variable in the modul
      hth
      alun


      -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
      Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
      [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
      Pelletti
      Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 09:46
      An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
      Betreff: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


      Hi Alan - it's just on the worksheet.
      Kath
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Garraway, Alun 
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
        Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:35 PM
        Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


        hi Kath,

        is the control on an excel worksheet or are u using
        a userform?

        alun

        -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
        Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
        [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
        Pelletti
        Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 00:38
        An: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
        Betreff: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


        Can anyone tell me how to refer to a form control in Excel (in this case a combo box) so that I can read its contents into a variable in vba?

        Urgent.
        TIA


        Kath Pelletti
        Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
        Ph: 9505-6714
        Fax: 9505-6430
        sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Mon Nov 24 21:48:03 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:48:03 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Performance issue - QueryDef
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F298F37@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Thanks Brett.  It is only the 'Set qdf =' line that is slow, the params and other lines are almost instantaneous.  In Design view, the Q takes less than a second to open, less after close then re-open in Design view.

The Q itself is 3 tables, a 'one' and two 'manys', with RI enforced in the underlying tables.

Anyway, I think it's resolved ... a close db, compact, and re-open has worked wonders <vbg>.

My thanks

Stephen Bond



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2003 4:14 p.m.
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Performance issue - QueryDef
> 
> 
> Steven,
> If this is a fairly complex query, it probably takes the SQL 
> parser a bit of
> time to process it so it can generate a list of parameters.  
> Try opening it
> in design view.  How long does it take?  Then, it has to 
> determine whether
> what the parameters are: controls on a form or otherwise.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 8:54 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Performance issue - QueryDef
> 
> Line 3 below takes 4 seconds to execute:
>  
>     1.  Dim db as DAO.database, qdf as DAO.QueryDef 
>     2.  set db = Currentdb() 
>     3.  set qdf = db.QueryDefs("qryTransactionEntryFormGenerate")
>         4.  For each prm in qdf.Parameters
>         5.    prm.value = Eval(prm.Name)
>         6.  Next prm
>         7.  qdf.execute
>  
> The query is an Append query, the table being appended to is 
> empty.  The
> execution time is negligible.  Why should line 4 take so long??
> 
> Stephen Bond 
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 24 22:34:11 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:34:11 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] report field font size
In-Reply-To: <1691069107.20031124091235@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIKEGDENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Gustav,
In between postings here I developed a rudimentary function that works well
with the few fonts (Arial, Time New Roman, etc.) I use in apps. It wouldn't
work well with many of them though because I don't actually query for font
metrics. I also found some info on this in the ADH so along with the lebans
site you sent I should have it covered if I need more depth to my solution.

Thanks,
John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 2:13 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] report field font size
>
>
> Hi John
>
> Stephen Lebans may be able to inspire you:
>
>   http://www.lebans.com/makefitsingle.htm
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Anyone have a function to set the font size in a report field
> to the maximum
> > that will fit in the control?
>
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From Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us  Tue Nov 25 08:50:03 2003
From: Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us (Gowey Mike W)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 07:50:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
Message-ID: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801D9FE1F@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>



Hi All,


I am trying to complete a project on a Mail Processing database.  The
one part I am stuck on now is some way for the Auto lookup of a record
everytime a number is put it.

I have a form in which it has 5 fields, the first field is the ID of the
person receiving the mail, the next four fields depend on this number to
be filled in.

What I need it to be able to do is as the user puts in a number it will
auto check the table for the ID number and fill the fields on the form
with the underlying info with out the user having to press enter or Tab
to have update or search, something like on each Key Down or Key Up.
For example say the ID to enter is 123456, when the user enters the 1 it
will do a auto check for a ID of 1 and when the user enters 2 it will do
a auto check for a ID of 12 and so forth.

I hope that makes sense.  Thanks for any info or examples anyone has to
accomplish this, if it is at all possible.


Thanks,

Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
Team Leader - SRCI
Information Systems & Services Division



From pedro at plex.nl  Tue Nov 25 08:01:48 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:01:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates
References: <007901c3b2e6$7b9684b0$bf00a8c0@dabsight>
Message-ID: <000b01c3b35d$30c875c0$fac581d5@pedro>

Hello John,

sorry that i didn't give a relation between the data and the result. I
thought that this was clear.

The result has to be the middle (2,500) from 0 to 5 when the first number
after the comma lies between this value.
The result has to be the middle (7,500) from 5 to 10 when the first number
after the comma lies between this value.

I'll hope this explains a little bit more together with the data and the
result.


Pedro



----- Original Message -----
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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:55 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates


> Pedro
>
> You don't say how the results relate to the data - or am I missing
something
> obvious?
>
> John
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Pedro Janssen
> > Sent: 24 November 2003 21:22
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates
> >
> >
> > Hello Group,
> >
> >
> > I have a table with two fields which are X and Y coordinates.
> >
> > X                     Y
> >   97,234           234,632
> >   98,456           257,678
> > 107,453           278,945
> > 107,234           278,346
> > 109,123           245,567
> >
> > i need as result
> >
> > X                     Y
> >   97,500           237,500
> >   97,500           257,500
> > 107,500           277,500
> > 107,500           277,500
> >
> > on the result i would like a distinct.
> >
> >
> >
> > Can this be done in one query?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Pedro Janssen
> >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 25 08:54:17 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:54:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] test
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEFLFNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

No traffic this morning.

John W. Colby 
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Tue Nov 25 08:14:59 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:14:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD79A6@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Actually I'd say that as a developer you should load mouse wheel software.
Because then you'll know how your application behaves in the real world,
where almost everyone else uses wheel mice. How else are you going to test
if the measures you put in place to stop Access navigating to different
records work when the user idly twiddles the wheel?

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Charlotte Foust [SMTP:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent:	Monday, November 24, 2003 6:16 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> Aha!  I knew there was a reason for not loading mouse software! <VBG>
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Gracie [mailto:Subscriptions at servicexp.com] 
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 2:54 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> 
> 
>   You need to load the mouse driver pack for your model. If you only
> allow Win XP to install it's drivers for the mouse, it will not work in
> all environments....
> 
> Robert Gracie
> www.servicexp.com
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:40 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> 
> That's interesting because I'm using Access XP on WinXP with a Microsoft
> mouse and it does NOT work in any of the VBE windows.  Nor does it work
> in Office 2000 on my Win2k machine (with a super mini mouse).  Do you
> have some kind of special magic you worked in the registry?  I don't
> want to use it, but maybe someone else will.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:20 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> 
> The mouse wheel works fine for me in the code window.  I'm using Access
> XP on Windows XP, but have used other office version with other Windows
> versions and I can't remember not being able to use the mouse wheel. I'm
> currently using a Fellowes Mini Web Pro mouse (which is very nice if
> anyone happens to be looking for a small optical mouse).
> 
> Dan Waters
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:44 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> 
> The scroll wheel does not work in the Visual Basic Editor in *any* of
> the Office apps ... Thank goodness.  I personally could live nicely
> without scroll wheels on mice in any environment.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Brosdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de]
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:04 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> my mousewheel does not work in the VBA windows of Access 2000 - I am
> unable to scroll through the code with the wheel. In other applications
> and even in Access it works fine. Is that a known problem? Is there any
> way to make it work? I am using a Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0
> with current Microsoft drivers, but the same problems occurs with
> Logitech mice..
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Michael
> 
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Nov 25 01:44:33 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:44:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Performance issue - QueryDef
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEFC@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Prm is not defined in your dim statement could be one issue...
 
Erwin
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Verzonden: dinsdag 25 november 2003 3:54
Aan: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Onderwerp: [AccessD] Performance issue - QueryDef

Line 3 below takes 4 seconds to execute:
 
    1.  Dim db as DAO.database, qdf as DAO.QueryDef 
    2.  set db = Currentdb() 
    3.  set qdf = db.QueryDefs("qryTransactionEntryFormGenerate")
        4.  For each prm in qdf.Parameters
        5.    prm.value = Eval(prm.Name)
        6.  Next prm
        7.  qdf.execute
 
The query is an Append query, the table being appended to is empty.  The
execution time is negligible.  Why should line 4 take so long??

Stephen Bond 


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov 25 09:25:49 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:25:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
In-Reply-To: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801D9FE1F@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
References:  <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801D9FE1F@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <826276954.20031125162549@cactus.dk>

Hi Gowey

Sound like a job for a combobox ...

/gustav

> I am trying to complete a project on a Mail Processing database.  The
> one part I am stuck on now is some way for the Auto lookup of a record
> everytime a number is put it.

> I have a form in which it has 5 fields, the first field is the ID of the
> person receiving the mail, the next four fields depend on this number to
> be filled in.

> What I need it to be able to do is as the user puts in a number it will
> auto check the table for the ID number and fill the fields on the form
> with the underlying info with out the user having to press enter or Tab
> to have update or search, something like on each Key Down or Key Up.
> For example say the ID to enter is 123456, when the user enters the 1 it
> will do a auto check for a ID of 1 and when the user enters 2 it will do
> a auto check for a ID of 12 and so forth.

> I hope that makes sense.  Thanks for any info or examples anyone has to
> accomplish this, if it is at all possible.


From Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us  Tue Nov 25 09:33:06 2003
From: Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us (Gowey Mike W)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:33:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
Message-ID: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801D9FE23@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>

Yeah it is, I got that already.  It's the rest of the puzzle that I need
to work out.

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From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Auto Lookup


Hi Gowey

Sound like a job for a combobox ...

/gustav

> I am trying to complete a project on a Mail Processing database.  The 
> one part I am stuck on now is some way for the Auto lookup of a record

> everytime a number is put it.

> I have a form in which it has 5 fields, the first field is the ID of 
> the person receiving the mail, the next four fields depend on this 
> number to be filled in.

> What I need it to be able to do is as the user puts in a number it 
> will auto check the table for the ID number and fill the fields on the

> form with the underlying info with out the user having to press enter 
> or Tab to have update or search, something like on each Key Down or 
> Key Up. For example say the ID to enter is 123456, when the user 
> enters the 1 it will do a auto check for a ID of 1 and when the user 
> enters 2 it will do a auto check for a ID of 12 and so forth.

> I hope that makes sense.  Thanks for any info or examples anyone has 
> to accomplish this, if it is at all possible.

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Nov 25 03:55:55 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:55:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEFE@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

You  known  what!.

I have this to....
But only recently, must be some update from office or the mouse
software.
I installed recently the Wireless desktop elite with downloaded software
v5..
I supose this could be the cause.
Have no time to search it out right now...

Erwin

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Foust
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window

The scroll wheel does not work in the Visual Basic Editor in *any* of
the Office apps ... Thank goodness.  I personally could live nicely
without scroll wheels on mice in any environment.

Charlotte Foust

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From: Michael Brosdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


Hello,

my mousewheel does not work in the VBA windows of Access 2000 - I am
unable to scroll through the code with the wheel. In other applications
and even in Access it works fine. Is that a known problem? Is there any
way to make it work? I am using a Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0
with current Microsoft drivers, but the same problems occurs with
Logitech mice..

TIA,

Michael

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Nov 25 01:31:59 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:31:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEFB@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Thats confirms what I was thinking.
I compile my apps compleetly before distributing, so I supose while
developing it's best having both options on?

Erwin
 

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Verzonden: maandag 24 november 2003 22:03
Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.

The Compile on Demand is an option that either compiles your code in
it's entirety when your application starts (the option would be off for
this..), or compiles it when it is required (when you have Compile on
Demand on). The big difference is startup speed.  If you project has a
lot of code, if you don't use 'Compile on Demand', you are going to get
a startup delay as Access compiles the VBA code.  The second option
(background compile) is a subset of compile on demand.  If you have
compile on demand set, you can use the background compile option to have
Access compile it's code during idle time periods.

The reason you have these options, is because VBA is a 'higher'
language, which means it makes sense (or it should...) to a human.  But
the CPU itself still requires machine language to be sent to it, so your
VBA code must be compiled into machine language, in order for the CPU to
carry out your instructions.  I wonder if you have the Compile on Demand
turned off, if you wouldn't be allowed to make changes to code on the
fly, when the application is running.  Hmmmm.....

Anyhow, I don't see a real reason to not have both options checked.  If
you want your code to be compiled all the time, use an .mde.

Drew

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From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.


 
 
Hi
 
I was wondering something.
In the VBA editor in options>common(?)>Compile You can click two options
for compiling.
I have the dutch version and I find that the help is poorly explaining
the exact use of these options (if not for everything:-(.
Compile at request and background compiling.
 
I wonder if anyone could explain me what those options do and what best
choice is...
 

 

Erwin Craps

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Nov 25 03:52:11 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:52:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation Question
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEFD@stekelbes.ithelps.local>


Something like this.



objExcelWorkSheet.Columns(x).ColumnWidth  

objExcelWorkSheet is a reference to the worksheet, but I supose you can
use activeworksheet or something to...

Erwin

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Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:29 PM
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Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation Question


Goood Morning Everyone,

 

I have an excel automation question.  I have Access XP and though vba I
am writing to an excel spread sheet.  Does any know how to set the
column width of a column in excel and then format that column for time.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Nov 25 10:26:18 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:26:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275DB@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <3FC382AA.2000308@shaw.ca>

There are some interesting affects leaving compile on demand on that may 
lead to code corruption
What happens is that when COMPILE ON DEMAND is checked, only as
much code as is called gets compiled. This means modules containing
external functions may get partially compiled. When you turn it
off, a call to the external function will compile the entire
module, not just the called function. This means that the compiling
will be in fewer chunks, and that there will be less chance of
fragmentation of the compiled code and less chance of something
going wrong in managing that fragmentation.
Mary Chipman and Michael Kaplan recommend it be turned off.
This does make for longer compiles though.
see
http://www.trigeminal.com/usenet/usenet004.asp?1033


Drew Wutka wrote:

>The Compile on Demand is an option that either compiles your code in it's
>entirety when your application starts (the option would be off for this..),
>or compiles it when it is required (when you have Compile on Demand on). The
>big difference is startup speed.  If you project has a lot of code, if you
>don't use 'Compile on Demand', you are going to get a startup delay as
>Access compiles the VBA code.  The second option (background compile) is a
>subset of compile on demand.  If you have compile on demand set, you can use
>the background compile option to have Access compile it's code during idle
>time periods.
>
>The reason you have these options, is because VBA is a 'higher' language,
>which means it makes sense (or it should...) to a human.  But the CPU itself
>still requires machine language to be sent to it, so your VBA code must be
>compiled into machine language, in order for the CPU to carry out your
>instructions.  I wonder if you have the Compile on Demand turned off, if you
>wouldn't be allowed to make changes to code on the fly, when the application
>is running.  Hmmmm.....
>
>Anyhow, I don't see a real reason to not have both options checked.  If you
>want your code to be compiled all the time, use an .mde.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
>Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:56 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.
>
>
> 
> 
>Hi
> 
>I was wondering something.
>In the VBA editor in options>common(?)>Compile
>You can click two options for compiling.
>I have the dutch version and I find that the help is poorly explaining
>the exact use of these options (if not for everything:-(.
>Compile at request and background compiling.
> 
>I wonder if anyone could explain me what those options do and what best
>choice is...
> 
>
> 
>
>Erwin Craps
>
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>
>www.ithelps.be/jonathan
>
> 
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Nov 25 10:32:56 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:32:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD79A9@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Well, as you've figured that a combobox is the best tool for the job, all
you need to do now is educate the user's of the world of possibilities that
would open up if only they'd learn to press the enter key after selecting an
item in the combobox. Problem solved. <g>

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Gowey Mike W [SMTP:Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us]
> Sent:	Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:33 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
> 
> Yeah it is, I got that already.  It's the rest of the puzzle that I need
> to work out.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:26 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
> 
> 
> Hi Gowey
> 
> Sound like a job for a combobox ...
> 
> /gustav
> 
> > I am trying to complete a project on a Mail Processing database.  The 
> > one part I am stuck on now is some way for the Auto lookup of a record
> 
> > everytime a number is put it.
> 
> > I have a form in which it has 5 fields, the first field is the ID of 
> > the person receiving the mail, the next four fields depend on this 
> > number to be filled in.
> 
> > What I need it to be able to do is as the user puts in a number it 
> > will auto check the table for the ID number and fill the fields on the
> 
> > form with the underlying info with out the user having to press enter 
> > or Tab to have update or search, something like on each Key Down or 
> > Key Up. For example say the ID to enter is 123456, when the user 
> > enters the 1 it will do a auto check for a ID of 1 and when the user 
> > enters 2 it will do a auto check for a ID of 12 and so forth.
> 
> > I hope that makes sense.  Thanks for any info or examples anyone has 
> > to accomplish this, if it is at all possible.
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 25 10:36:49 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:36:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312481@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Ah, but loading mouse software is unnecessary for that purpose, Lambert.
The scroll wheel works in the UI as it is.  It's only in the VBE that
the scroll wheel doesn't work without the mouse software, and the users
shouldn't be in there anyhow.  I have made a *career* of not loading
mouse software going back to the days of Windows 3.x, when it caused
many problems that didn't exist if you didn't load it. <G>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 6:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


Actually I'd say that as a developer you should load mouse wheel
software. Because then you'll know how your application behaves in the
real world, where almost everyone else uses wheel mice. How else are you
going to test if the measures you put in place to stop Access navigating
to different records work when the user idly twiddles the wheel?

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Charlotte Foust [SMTP:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent:	Monday, November 24, 2003 6:16 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> Aha!  I knew there was a reason for not loading mouse software! <VBG>
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Gracie [mailto:Subscriptions at servicexp.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 2:54 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> 
> 
>   You need to load the mouse driver pack for your model. If you only 
> allow Win XP to install it's drivers for the mouse, it will not work 
> in all environments....
> 
> Robert Gracie
> www.servicexp.com
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:40 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> 
> That's interesting because I'm using Access XP on WinXP with a 
> Microsoft mouse and it does NOT work in any of the VBE windows.  Nor 
> does it work in Office 2000 on my Win2k machine (with a super mini 
> mouse).  Do you have some kind of special magic you worked in the 
> registry?  I don't want to use it, but maybe someone else will.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:20 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> 
> The mouse wheel works fine for me in the code window.  I'm using 
> Access XP on Windows XP, but have used other office version with other

> Windows versions and I can't remember not being able to use the mouse 
> wheel. I'm currently using a Fellowes Mini Web Pro mouse (which is 
> very nice if anyone happens to be looking for a small optical mouse).
> 
> Dan Waters
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:44 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> 
> The scroll wheel does not work in the Visual Basic Editor in *any* of 
> the Office apps ... Thank goodness.  I personally could live nicely 
> without scroll wheels on mice in any environment.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Brosdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de]
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:04 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> my mousewheel does not work in the VBA windows of Access 2000 - I am 
> unable to scroll through the code with the wheel. In other 
> applications and even in Access it works fine. Is that a known 
> problem? Is there any way to make it work? I am using a Microsoft 
> IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 with current Microsoft drivers, but the same

> problems occurs with Logitech mice..
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Michael
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Nov 25 11:47:19 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:47:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] test
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275EC@main2.marlow.com>

Sheesh, there was more traffic then I cared for!.....oh, you mean on the
list, I thought you meant driving....<grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:54 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] test


No traffic this morning.

John W. Colby 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Nov 25 11:48:06 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:48:06 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275ED@main2.marlow.com>

Yep.  If you make .mde's for your finished products, then those options are
a moot point.  They only apply to .mdb's.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 1:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.


Thats confirms what I was thinking.
I compile my apps compleetly before distributing, so I supose while
developing it's best having both options on?

Erwin
 

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Drew Wutka
Verzonden: maandag 24 november 2003 22:03
Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.

The Compile on Demand is an option that either compiles your code in
it's entirety when your application starts (the option would be off for
this..), or compiles it when it is required (when you have Compile on
Demand on). The big difference is startup speed.  If you project has a
lot of code, if you don't use 'Compile on Demand', you are going to get
a startup delay as Access compiles the VBA code.  The second option
(background compile) is a subset of compile on demand.  If you have
compile on demand set, you can use the background compile option to have
Access compile it's code during idle time periods.

The reason you have these options, is because VBA is a 'higher'
language, which means it makes sense (or it should...) to a human.  But
the CPU itself still requires machine language to be sent to it, so your
VBA code must be compiled into machine language, in order for the CPU to
carry out your instructions.  I wonder if you have the Compile on Demand
turned off, if you wouldn't be allowed to make changes to code on the
fly, when the application is running.  Hmmmm.....

Anyhow, I don't see a real reason to not have both options checked.  If
you want your code to be compiled all the time, use an .mde.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.


 
 
Hi
 
I was wondering something.
In the VBA editor in options>common(?)>Compile You can click two options
for compiling.
I have the dutch version and I find that the help is poorly explaining
the exact use of these options (if not for everything:-(.
Compile at request and background compiling.
 
I wonder if anyone could explain me what those options do and what best
choice is...
 

 

Erwin Craps

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Nov 25 11:49:46 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:49:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275EE@main2.marlow.com>

True, I personally have seen issues along the lines of code getting quirky
after a lot of modification.  However, it usually straightens out with
closing and re-opening Access.  That is in A2k though.  I very rarely see
any issues in 97.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.


There are some interesting affects leaving compile on demand on that may 
lead to code corruption
What happens is that when COMPILE ON DEMAND is checked, only as
much code as is called gets compiled. This means modules containing
external functions may get partially compiled. When you turn it
off, a call to the external function will compile the entire
module, not just the called function. This means that the compiling
will be in fewer chunks, and that there will be less chance of
fragmentation of the compiled code and less chance of something
going wrong in managing that fragmentation.
Mary Chipman and Michael Kaplan recommend it be turned off.
This does make for longer compiles though.
see
http://www.trigeminal.com/usenet/usenet004.asp?1033


Drew Wutka wrote:

>The Compile on Demand is an option that either compiles your code in it's
>entirety when your application starts (the option would be off for this..),
>or compiles it when it is required (when you have Compile on Demand on).
The
>big difference is startup speed.  If you project has a lot of code, if you
>don't use 'Compile on Demand', you are going to get a startup delay as
>Access compiles the VBA code.  The second option (background compile) is a
>subset of compile on demand.  If you have compile on demand set, you can
use
>the background compile option to have Access compile it's code during idle
>time periods.
>
>The reason you have these options, is because VBA is a 'higher' language,
>which means it makes sense (or it should...) to a human.  But the CPU
itself
>still requires machine language to be sent to it, so your VBA code must be
>compiled into machine language, in order for the CPU to carry out your
>instructions.  I wonder if you have the Compile on Demand turned off, if
you
>wouldn't be allowed to make changes to code on the fly, when the
application
>is running.  Hmmmm.....
>
>Anyhow, I don't see a real reason to not have both options checked.  If you
>want your code to be compiled all the time, use an .mde.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
>Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:56 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.
>
>
> 
> 
>Hi
> 
>I was wondering something.
>In the VBA editor in options>common(?)>Compile
>You can click two options for compiling.
>I have the dutch version and I find that the help is poorly explaining
>the exact use of these options (if not for everything:-(.
>Compile at request and background compiling.
> 
>I wonder if anyone could explain me what those options do and what best
>choice is...
> 
>
> 
>
>Erwin Craps
>
>Zaakvoerder 
>
>www.ithelps.be/jonathan
>
> 
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Nov 25 12:18:46 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:18:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Strange send e-mail from Access+Outlook 2003 behavior.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF18@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hi group
The extract below is a function I'm using for 2 or 3 years now and
always done the job.
I recently installed Outlook 2003 (a week ago) and this function is
behaving very bizar.
 
It's a routine to check in a database I  need to send out some new
passwords and does this for me.
For security reasons I send the mail to the user and myself.
Today I noticed that I did not received my copy as I normaly do.
I called the user and he did not received his copy.
I checked my send items and the mail is in my sent items with the
correct adresses.
But No one has got it.
How can it be posible that the mail is in my sent items and I nor the
user has received the mail!!!
So I start looking to my code and found that when I remove the  lines:
mItem.ReplyRecipients.Add "Staff at boxoffice.be
<mailto:Staff at boxoffice.be> "
mItem.SentOnBehalfOfName = "Staff at boxoffice.be
<mailto:Staff at boxoffice.be> "
My e-mail does get received by both users!!!
I always had Sent-on-Behalf rights so I checked with a manual typed
e-mail with identical adresses and same send-on-behalf user and guess
what. The mail does arrive at both adresses
 
Is this a bug or a security measure, and why does get in my sent items
without actulay sending it???
 
So while I was writing this I tried the same thing on another computer
with Outlook 2002 and gues what.
Everything works fine....
 
Is this a bug?
Anyone out there who can report this to MS?
 
Below is the code.
 
Erwin
 
    
 
 
Set mOutlookApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
    Set mNameSpace = mOutlookApp.GetNamespace("MAPI")
    
    With rstWebSec
        Do While rstWebSec.EOF = False
            If !WEBEmailedPassword = False And Trim(!Email) <> "" Then
                strBody = strBodyHeader & vbCrLf
                strBody = strBody & vbCrLf
                strBody = strBody & !Company & vbCrLf
                strBody = strBody & !Title & " " & !FirstName & " " &
!SurName & vbCrLf
               strBody = strBody & vbCrLf
                strBody = strBody & strBodyFooter & vbCrLf
                
                Application.SysCmd acSysCmdUpdateMeter,
rstWebSec.AbsolutePosition
                Set mItem = mOutlookApp.CreateItem(olMailItem)
                mItem.Recipients.Add !Email
                mItem.Recipients.Add "Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be
<mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> "
                mItem.Subject = strSubject
                mItem.Body = strBody
                mItem.ReplyRecipients.Add "Staff at boxoffice.be
<mailto:Staff at boxoffice.be> "
                mItem.SentOnBehalfOfName = "Staff at boxoffice.be
<mailto:Staff at boxoffice.be> "
                'mItem.Display
                mItem.Send
                DoEvents
                Set mItem = Nothing
                .Edit
                !WEBEmailedPassword = True
                .Update
            End If
            .MoveNext
            DoEvents
        Loop
    End With
    Set mNameSpace = Nothing
    Set mOutlookApp = Nothing

 

 

Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder 

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Nov 25 12:59:30 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:59:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Info: Article on Packaging Access 2003 Solutions or ODE
References: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD79A9@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <3FC3A692.8060304@shaw.ca>

I remember some people asking for info on this
This is a reprint of October 2003 Access Advisor article
One interesting thing is you only have to install the runtime once on a 
machine
so makes for a smaller install, you can almost do from a web download .

Packaging Access 2003 Solutions
Rick Dobson
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnsmart03/html/sa03j8.asp
There is a sample 28M run time install included as download.

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Tue Nov 25 06:01:25 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:01:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
References: <3FC313E3.2383.423894@localhost>
Message-ID: <032c01c3b34b$dbf65960$0200a8c0@S856>

thank you, Stuart,
interesting site, will try it out
Lembit Soobik

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network


> On 24 Nov 2003 at 16:21, Lembit Soobik wrote:
>
> > Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network?
> > thank you
> >
> One way would be to use a tool like Angry IP Scanner
> http://www.angryziber.com/ipscan/
>
>
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Tue Nov 25 13:21:02 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:21:02 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F29088526@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Pedro,

If you want the numbers to the nearest 2500, in the query put 2 derived fields

   MidX: Int([x]/2500+0.5)*2500
   MidY: Int([y]/2500+0.5)*2500

Does this answer your question?

Stephen Bond

From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Nov 25 13:37:44 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:37:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD79AD@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Well ok. That's fine - but I'm one of those weirdoes that actually *likes*
the wheel. I've been adicted since I first got my hands on it <vbG>

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Charlotte Foust [SMTP:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, November 25, 2003 11:37 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> Ah, but loading mouse software is unnecessary for that purpose, Lambert.
> The scroll wheel works in the UI as it is.  It's only in the VBE that
> the scroll wheel doesn't work without the mouse software, and the users
> shouldn't be in there anyhow.  I have made a *career* of not loading
> mouse software going back to the days of Windows 3.x, when it caused
> many problems that didn't exist if you didn't load it. <G>
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 6:15 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> 
> Actually I'd say that as a developer you should load mouse wheel
> software. Because then you'll know how your application behaves in the
> real world, where almost everyone else uses wheel mice. How else are you
> going to test if the measures you put in place to stop Access navigating
> to different records work when the user idly twiddles the wheel?
> 
> Lambert
> 

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 25 13:47:52 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:47:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312487@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Hey, I wouldn't even use a *mouse* for a long time! <G>  I had to learn,
but that doesn't mean I have to use all the extra buttons and wheels
they put on the darn thing.  Two buttons is ample for me. LOL  I can
never remember what the other buttons do anyhow.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 11:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


Well ok. That's fine - but I'm one of those weirdoes that actually
*likes* the wheel. I've been adicted since I first got my hands on it
<vbG>

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Charlotte Foust [SMTP:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, November 25, 2003 11:37 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> Ah, but loading mouse software is unnecessary for that purpose, 
> Lambert. The scroll wheel works in the UI as it is.  It's only in the 
> VBE that the scroll wheel doesn't work without the mouse software, and

> the users shouldn't be in there anyhow.  I have made a *career* of not

> loading mouse software going back to the days of Windows 3.x, when it 
> caused many problems that didn't exist if you didn't load it. <G>
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 6:15 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> 
> Actually I'd say that as a developer you should load mouse wheel 
> software. Because then you'll know how your application behaves in the

> real world, where almost everyone else uses wheel mice. How else are 
> you going to test if the measures you put in place to stop Access 
> navigating to different records work when the user idly twiddles the 
> wheel?
> 
> Lambert
> 
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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Tue Nov 25 05:59:01 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:59:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
References: 	<916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB045@ADGSERVER><008701c3b2a0$1dfbd260$0200a8c0@S856>
	<003501c3b2e1$2fb78d50$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <032601c3b34b$848eb550$0200a8c0@S856>

thank you, William,
thats what I was after :)
Lembit Soobik

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From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network


> http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0058.htm
>
> ...the workstation names are included in the level 2 data ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lembit Soobik" <Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:21 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
>
>
> > Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network?
> > thank you
> >
> > Lembit
> >
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 25 15:23:42 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:23:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
References: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801D9FE1F@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <002801c3b39a$66d88ff0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Mike

...this is pretty standard stuff ...both of these sites have sample code and
dbs that demonstrate different methods of getting the form populated with a
record selected from a combo box ...HTH :)

http://www.mvps.org/access/
http://www.candace-tripp.com/access_downloads.htm

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gowey Mike W" <Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:50 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup


>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
> I am trying to complete a project on a Mail Processing database.  The
> one part I am stuck on now is some way for the Auto lookup of a record
> everytime a number is put it.
>
> I have a form in which it has 5 fields, the first field is the ID of the
> person receiving the mail, the next four fields depend on this number to
> be filled in.
>
> What I need it to be able to do is as the user puts in a number it will
> auto check the table for the ID number and fill the fields on the form
> with the underlying info with out the user having to press enter or Tab
> to have update or search, something like on each Key Down or Key Up.
> For example say the ID to enter is 123456, when the user enters the 1 it
> will do a auto check for a ID of 1 and when the user enters 2 it will do
> a auto check for a ID of 12 and so forth.
>
> I hope that makes sense.  Thanks for any info or examples anyone has to
> accomplish this, if it is at all possible.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
> Team Leader - SRCI
> Information Systems & Services Division
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 25 15:27:25 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:27:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] test
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275EC@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c3b39a$ebc86460$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...you've seen nothing ...the snowbirds have returned to south Florida for
the season ...so instead of traffic jams at 8AM and 5PM we now have just one
...24 friggin' hours of Caddies backing up to the exit they missed ...pray
for March :(

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

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From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] test


> Sheesh, there was more traffic then I cared for!.....oh, you mean on the
> list, I thought you meant driving....<grin>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:54 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] test
>
>
> No traffic this morning.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Tue Nov 25 06:04:36 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:04:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275DE@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <033d01c3b34c$4c23d910$0200a8c0@S856>

yes, want to do it with API calls. (got a good reference already from William)
thanks
Lembit Soobik

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
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Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:13 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network


> Just out of curiousity...why?  I only ask, because you can do this with VBA,
> the process would be to get the subnet of the machine you are on (API
> calls), then do a DNS reverse lookup on every IP address in the subnet (more
> API calls).  The question is, why do you want to know this?  Just curious...
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de]
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:21 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
>
>
> Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network?
> thank you
>
> Lembit
>
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From Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us  Tue Nov 25 15:34:52 2003
From: Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us (Gowey Mike W)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:34:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
Message-ID: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF48607780107A1@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>

Yeah I understand that is simple stuff, but that is not the part that I
am having problems with.  I can get the form populated by the user
selecting from the combo box and pressing either the Enter Key or Tab
Key.  What they want to be able to do is not have to press the Enter Key
or Tab key for the information to be populated automatically.  Say that
they enter 123456 in the combo box manually, how can I get it to
automatically look up the record without the enter key or tab key being
pressed.  What they want to be able to do is once the info is shown than
they want to be able to press the enter key and it will print the
mailing label (I have that part working just great)as long as they
select from the pull down list in the combo box.  It's the manual entry
that causes a problem.  I hope that makes better sense.
\
\
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Auto Lookup


Mike

...this is pretty standard stuff ...both of these sites have sample code
and dbs that demonstrate different methods of getting the form populated
with a record selected from a combo box ...HTH :)

http://www.mvps.org/access/
http://www.candace-tripp.com/access_downloads.htm

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government is
force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gowey Mike W" <Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:50 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup


>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
> I am trying to complete a project on a Mail Processing database.  The 
> one part I am stuck on now is some way for the Auto lookup of a record

> everytime a number is put it.
>
> I have a form in which it has 5 fields, the first field is the ID of 
> the person receiving the mail, the next four fields depend on this 
> number to be filled in.
>
> What I need it to be able to do is as the user puts in a number it 
> will auto check the table for the ID number and fill the fields on the

> form with the underlying info with out the user having to press enter 
> or Tab to have update or search, something like on each Key Down or 
> Key Up. For example say the ID to enter is 123456, when the user 
> enters the 1 it will do a auto check for a ID of 1 and when the user 
> enters 2 it will do a auto check for a ID of 12 and so forth.
>
> I hope that makes sense.  Thanks for any info or examples anyone has 
> to accomplish this, if it is at all possible.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
> Team Leader - SRCI
> Information Systems & Services Division
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From PBudge at cbsol.com  Tue Nov 25 16:02:47 2003
From: PBudge at cbsol.com (PBudge at cbsol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:02:47 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] test
Message-ID: <OF26BF24E0.C2FCBA20-ON86256DE9.0078F557@cbsol.com>


Good thing you're moving to New Hampshire then, isn't it?  ;
-)))))))))))))))))

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions



                                                                                                                                               
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...you've seen nothing ...the snowbirds have returned to south Florida for
the season ...so instead of traffic jams at 8AM and 5PM we now have just
one
...24 friggin' hours of Caddies backing up to the exit they missed ...pray
for March :(

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] test


> Sheesh, there was more traffic then I cared for!.....oh, you mean on the
> list, I thought you meant driving....<grin>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:54 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] test
>
>
> No traffic this morning.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Tue Nov 25 16:01:57 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:01:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
References: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF48607780107A1@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <019301c3b39f$bf8d8240$6401a8c0@default>

Mike,

If you're looking for an event proc, try writing code
for the OnChange event by testing the length of the
string that the user has typed in.

Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "Gowey Mike W" <Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:34 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Auto Lookup


> Yeah I understand that is simple stuff, but that is not the part that I
> am having problems with.  I can get the form populated by the user
> selecting from the combo box and pressing either the Enter Key or Tab
> Key.  What they want to be able to do is not have to press the Enter Key
> or Tab key for the information to be populated automatically.  Say that
> they enter 123456 in the combo box manually, how can I get it to
> automatically look up the record without the enter key or tab key being
> pressed.  What they want to be able to do is once the info is shown than
> they want to be able to press the enter key and it will print the
> mailing label (I have that part working just great)as long as they
> select from the pull down list in the combo box.  It's the manual entry
> that causes a problem.  I hope that makes better sense.
> \
> \
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:24 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
>
>
> Mike
>
> ...this is pretty standard stuff ...both of these sites have sample code
> and dbs that demonstrate different methods of getting the form populated
> with a record selected from a combo box ...HTH :)
>
> http://www.mvps.org/access/
> http://www.candace-tripp.com/access_downloads.htm
>
> William Hindman
> Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government is
> force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gowey Mike W" <Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:50 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
>
>
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> > I am trying to complete a project on a Mail Processing database.  The
> > one part I am stuck on now is some way for the Auto lookup of a record
>
> > everytime a number is put it.
> >
> > I have a form in which it has 5 fields, the first field is the ID of
> > the person receiving the mail, the next four fields depend on this
> > number to be filled in.
> >
> > What I need it to be able to do is as the user puts in a number it
> > will auto check the table for the ID number and fill the fields on the
>
> > form with the underlying info with out the user having to press enter
> > or Tab to have update or search, something like on each Key Down or
> > Key Up. For example say the ID to enter is 123456, when the user
> > enters the 1 it will do a auto check for a ID of 1 and when the user
> > enters 2 it will do a auto check for a ID of 12 and so forth.
> >
> > I hope that makes sense.  Thanks for any info or examples anyone has
> > to accomplish this, if it is at all possible.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
> > Team Leader - SRCI
> > Information Systems & Services Division
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Nov 25 16:07:31 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:07:31 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] test
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275FC@main2.marlow.com>

Traffic in Florida doesn't hold a candle to what I have seen in other
states....

Of course, this is OT material....<grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] test


...you've seen nothing ...the snowbirds have returned to south Florida for
the season ...so instead of traffic jams at 8AM and 5PM we now have just one
...24 friggin' hours of Caddies backing up to the exit they missed ...pray
for March :(

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] test


> Sheesh, there was more traffic then I cared for!.....oh, you mean on the
> list, I thought you meant driving....<grin>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:54 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] test
>
>
> No traffic this morning.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 25 16:13:17 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:13:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
References: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF48607780107A1@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <00aa01c3b3a1$54524450$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Mike

...yeah ...lot more sense ...if the numbers are all the same length you
could use the cbo's OnChange event to autofill the form ...if not then
you'll have to test for a match after each character ...but I'm curious as
to just what kind of users are willing to pay to avoid hitting the enter key
...seems like an idea place for some Colby style downsizing :(

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gowey Mike W" <Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:34 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Auto Lookup


> Yeah I understand that is simple stuff, but that is not the part that I
> am having problems with.  I can get the form populated by the user
> selecting from the combo box and pressing either the Enter Key or Tab
> Key.  What they want to be able to do is not have to press the Enter Key
> or Tab key for the information to be populated automatically.  Say that
> they enter 123456 in the combo box manually, how can I get it to
> automatically look up the record without the enter key or tab key being
> pressed.  What they want to be able to do is once the info is shown than
> they want to be able to press the enter key and it will print the
> mailing label (I have that part working just great)as long as they
> select from the pull down list in the combo box.  It's the manual entry
> that causes a problem.  I hope that makes better sense.
> \
> \
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:24 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
>
>
> Mike
>
> ...this is pretty standard stuff ...both of these sites have sample code
> and dbs that demonstrate different methods of getting the form populated
> with a record selected from a combo box ...HTH :)
>
> http://www.mvps.org/access/
> http://www.candace-tripp.com/access_downloads.htm
>
> William Hindman
> Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government is
> force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gowey Mike W" <Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:50 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
>
>
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> > I am trying to complete a project on a Mail Processing database.  The
> > one part I am stuck on now is some way for the Auto lookup of a record
>
> > everytime a number is put it.
> >
> > I have a form in which it has 5 fields, the first field is the ID of
> > the person receiving the mail, the next four fields depend on this
> > number to be filled in.
> >
> > What I need it to be able to do is as the user puts in a number it
> > will auto check the table for the ID number and fill the fields on the
>
> > form with the underlying info with out the user having to press enter
> > or Tab to have update or search, something like on each Key Down or
> > Key Up. For example say the ID to enter is 123456, when the user
> > enters the 1 it will do a auto check for a ID of 1 and when the user
> > enters 2 it will do a auto check for a ID of 12 and so forth.
> >
> > I hope that makes sense.  Thanks for any info or examples anyone has
> > to accomplish this, if it is at all possible.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
> > Team Leader - SRCI
> > Information Systems & Services Division
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Nov 25 16:32:30 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:32:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD79B3@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

I think we understood your question. What we (well 'I' anyway) can't
understand is what's do bad about hitting enter or TAB after selecting from
the combobox?

However, if you want to do search as they type you can.

With the "conventional" way of doing this, typically, in the combo's
AfterUpdate event this type of code will be run...

Private Sub cboSearch_AfterUpdate()
Dim strCriteria As String
   If Not cboSearch & "" = "" Then
        strCriteria = "Seller_ID=" & cboSearch
        With Me.RecordsetClone
            .FindFirst strCriteria
            If Not .NoMatch Then
                Me.Bookmark = .Bookmark
            End If
        End With
    End If
End Sub

But in your case you want to do this in the Change event of the combobox.
The change event fires every time a key is pressed when the combo has the
focus. So as the user types "12345" the code will first search for "1" then
"12" etc. So, if you have a large data set, as slow network or fast users,
you could well find that the search process cannot keep up with the typing
of the users.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Gowey Mike W [SMTP:Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us]
> Sent:	Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:35 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
> 
> Yeah I understand that is simple stuff, but that is not the part that I
> am having problems with.  I can get the form populated by the user
> selecting from the combo box and pressing either the Enter Key or Tab
> Key.  What they want to be able to do is not have to press the Enter Key
> or Tab key for the information to be populated automatically.  Say that
> they enter 123456 in the combo box manually, how can I get it to
> automatically look up the record without the enter key or tab key being
> pressed.  What they want to be able to do is once the info is shown than
> they want to be able to press the enter key and it will print the
> mailing label (I have that part working just great)as long as they
> select from the pull down list in the combo box.  It's the manual entry
> that causes a problem.  I hope that makes better sense.
> \
> \
> Mike
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:24 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
> 
> 
> Mike
> 
> ...this is pretty standard stuff ...both of these sites have sample code
> and dbs that demonstrate different methods of getting the form populated
> with a record selected from a combo box ...HTH :)
> 
> http://www.mvps.org/access/
> http://www.candace-tripp.com/access_downloads.htm
> 
> William Hindman
> Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government is
> force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gowey Mike W" <Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:50 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> > I am trying to complete a project on a Mail Processing database.  The 
> > one part I am stuck on now is some way for the Auto lookup of a record
> 
> > everytime a number is put it.
> >
> > I have a form in which it has 5 fields, the first field is the ID of 
> > the person receiving the mail, the next four fields depend on this 
> > number to be filled in.
> >
> > What I need it to be able to do is as the user puts in a number it 
> > will auto check the table for the ID number and fill the fields on the
> 
> > form with the underlying info with out the user having to press enter 
> > or Tab to have update or search, something like on each Key Down or 
> > Key Up. For example say the ID to enter is 123456, when the user 
> > enters the 1 it will do a auto check for a ID of 1 and when the user 
> > enters 2 it will do a auto check for a ID of 12 and so forth.
> >
> > I hope that makes sense.  Thanks for any info or examples anyone has 
> > to accomplish this, if it is at all possible.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
> > Team Leader - SRCI
> > Information Systems & Services Division
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> 
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From connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au  Tue Nov 25 17:06:42 2003
From: connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au (connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:06:42 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] test OT 
Message-ID: <OF07647152.8808E2FC-ONCA256DE9.007ED384@agric.nsw.gov.au>

I am married to a guy from Minnesota, first time I saw LA I was 
speechless..... I am sure we dont have as many cars as I saw on the road

Of course what amazes me about the cars in MN is the rust 

Connie Kamrowski

Analyst/Programmer
Information Technology
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Orange

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Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
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Traffic in Florida doesn't hold a candle to what I have seen in other
states....

Of course, this is OT material....<grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] test


...you've seen nothing ...the snowbirds have returned to south Florida for
the season ...so instead of traffic jams at 8AM and 5PM we now have just 
one
...24 friggin' hours of Caddies backing up to the exit they missed ...pray
for March :(

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

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> Sheesh, there was more traffic then I cared for!.....oh, you mean on the
> list, I thought you meant driving....<grin>
>
> Drew
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:54 AM
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> No traffic this morning.
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Nov 25 17:22:26 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:22:26 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275FD@main2.marlow.com>

Apparently my 'indexer' hasn't been running since late september.  So
searches on messages since then would have produced nothing.  Fixed the
problem earlier today, and now the indexing is all caught up.  Oooops.

Drew

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Nov 25 18:53:24 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:53:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275FD@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEBIDAAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Great...Drew.

Jim

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Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:22 PM
To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....


Apparently my 'indexer' hasn't been running since late september.  So
searches on messages since then would have produced nothing.  Fixed the
problem earlier today, and now the indexing is all caught up.  Oooops.

Drew
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From pcs at azizaz.com  Tue Nov 25 19:46:08 2003
From: pcs at azizaz.com (Borge Steen Hansen)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:46:08 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Corrupt Backend Database - Help!
References: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD79B3@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <001001c3b3bf$111d8aa0$be0e90cb@prosys.local>

Hi, can anyone help with some direction here, please....

Access97 - corrupt backend database
We can see the linked tables in the frontend.
When I try and open the backend directly, the database window is empty -
shows no tables, queries etc.

I get the message that reads : "isn't an index in this table. Look in the
Indexes Collection of the TableDef object to determine the valid index
names".

An attempt to repair using the /repair switch when starting the database
does not do the trick.

When trying to import the tables into a blank database you get messages
about missing index etc etc.

So, as it says it's probably the index for one or more of the system tables
that handles all the tables etc. in the backend that's screwed up - gone
missing.....

Any one around that can help here, please ????

Conceptually, I would imagine that it would be possible from a different
database run som DAO code that would re-build the indexes of all the system
tables or something like that in the corrupt backend

Worst case scenario is to use backup from last friday - but the boss has
been working all weekend adding and modifying data, so we really would like
to salvage the corrupt backend......

Cheers

Borge







From john at winhaven.net  Tue Nov 25 19:52:24 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:52:24 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275FD@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKICEGLENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Thanks for staying on top of that Drew, the searchable archives are a great
asset to this community.

JB

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>
>
> Apparently my 'indexer' hasn't been running since late september.  So
> searches on messages since then would have produced nothing.  Fixed the
> problem earlier today, and now the indexing is all caught up.  Oooops.
>
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Tue Nov 25 20:41:29 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:41:29 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Corrupt Backend Database - Help!
References: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD79B3@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
	<001001c3b3bf$111d8aa0$be0e90cb@prosys.local>
Message-ID: <002601c3b3c6$cb9f5820$6401a8c0@user>

Have you tried running Jetcomp on it?

http://www.accessdatabaserepair.com/jetcomp.htm

HTH
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Borge Steen Hansen 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:46 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Corrupt Backend Database - Help!


  Hi, can anyone help with some direction here, please....

  Access97 - corrupt backend database
  We can see the linked tables in the frontend.
  When I try and open the backend directly, the database window is empty -
  shows no tables, queries etc.

  I get the message that reads : "isn't an index in this table. Look in the
  Indexes Collection of the TableDef object to determine the valid index
  names".

  An attempt to repair using the /repair switch when starting the database
  does not do the trick.

  When trying to import the tables into a blank database you get messages
  about missing index etc etc.

  So, as it says it's probably the index for one or more of the system tables
  that handles all the tables etc. in the backend that's screwed up - gone
  missing.....

  Any one around that can help here, please ????

  Conceptually, I would imagine that it would be possible from a different
  database run som DAO code that would re-build the indexes of all the system
  tables or something like that in the corrupt backend

  Worst case scenario is to use backup from last friday - but the boss has
  been working all weekend adding and modifying data, so we really would like
  to salvage the corrupt backend......

  Cheers

  Borge






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From glen_mcwilliams at msn.com  Tue Nov 25 21:28:20 2003
From: glen_mcwilliams at msn.com (Glen McWilliams)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:28:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control
References: 	<D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059DDF@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de><000d01c3b02b$f3981ae0$6401a8c0@user><BAY4-DAV1024qjpQEJh0000734e@hotmail.com>
	<002101c3b307$062225b0$6401a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV135IhTrBoe200009eb3@hotmail.com>

Kath

The is sample does not use the combo box control from the forms toolbar, but rather the standard combo box control from the Control Toolbox.

Glen
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kath Pelletti 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  Thanks Glen - I can see what you are getting at with the after_update vs. the on_Change and thanks for the sample.

  It's taken me a couple of days to work out what's what with combo boxes in Excel and yours has been created with the combo box control on the forms toolbar, right? So it is an ActiveX control with on change events, value property etc. The only problem I have with that is that I am trying to create this app without ActiveX controls as it will be widely used by a client and I don't want to have any deployment issues.

  The hassle of not using the ActiveXcontrol and going with the combo on the forms toolbar, though, is the lack of properties and events - it has no on change event - you can only assign a macro, define an input range, and a cell link. But I have found (YES!!) a way to reference that object in code which, coming from access vba development,  I find really strange.

  1. You give the combo boxes named ranges (in my case Cbo_Entity, Cbo_CostCentre),
  2. Not that the named ranges do not appear in the list of named ranges anywhere. (Why I don't know - that threw me for ages))
  3. Assign a macro to the combo and in the vba window refer to that or any other combo boxes created using the syntax
      ActiveSheet.DrawingObjects("RangeNameofCombo") syntax.

  eg. when my combo Cbo_Entity changes, change the source data (ie. input range)  for the other combo box Cbo_CostCentre:

  Sub CboEntity_Change()    'name of assigned macro 
  Dim strerrormsg As String
  On Error GoTo Err_Handler

  ThisWorkbook.Worksheets("lists").Activate
  '
  'Application.ScreenUpdating = False
  ThisWorkbook.Worksheets("Lists 2").Activate
  '
  If Range("Sel_Entity") = 1 And (Range("Sel_Location") = 2) Then
      ThisWorkbook.Worksheets("Menu").Activate
      ActiveSheet.DrawingObjects("Cbo_CostCentre").Select                    'select the combo box
      With Selection
          .ListFillRange = "CostCentres_Range1"                                        'populate its source data with new range
          '.LinkedCell = "ExpSelection_No"
          .DropDownLines = 10
      End With
  End If
  --------------

  Kath

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Glen McWilliams 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving ; SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au 
    Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:20 PM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


    Kath,

    I was wrong, it is the On Change event. 
    See attached sample
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Kath Pelletti 
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
      Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:35 AM
      Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


      Thanks Alan - but the combo box (I used the one from the forms toolbar) does not appear to have a name property or an on change event. You can attach a macro (and therefore an event) to it but that's it - I can't find a way to refer back to that control name in the code.

      Maybe you are referring to the combo control from the Control Toolbox toolbar? I was reluctant to use that because I think I read that it would require registration on distribution??

      Kath
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Garraway, Alun 
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
        Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:06 PM
        Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


        ok

        create a modul and declare a public variable.

        then for the combo on change event
        try this:

        Private Sub cboSheet1_Change()
            
            myVar = Me.cboSheet1.Value
            
        End Sub

        note: cboSheet1 is the name of my combobox
        and MyVar is the public variable in the modul
        hth
        alun


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        Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
        [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
        Pelletti
        Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 09:46
        An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
        Betreff: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


        Hi Alan - it's just on the worksheet.
        Kath
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Garraway, Alun 
          To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
          Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:35 PM
          Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


          hi Kath,

          is the control on an excel worksheet or are u using
          a userform?

          alun

          -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
          Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
          [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
          Pelletti
          Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 00:38
          An: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
          Betreff: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


          Can anyone tell me how to refer to a form control in Excel (in this case a combo box) so that I can read its contents into a variable in vba?

          Urgent.
          TIA


          Kath Pelletti
          Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
          Ph: 9505-6714
          Fax: 9505-6430
          sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From glen_mcwilliams at msn.com  Tue Nov 25 21:45:02 2003
From: glen_mcwilliams at msn.com (Glen McWilliams)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:45:02 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation Question
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEFD@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV48gFrYILoyg0000b90c@hotmail.com>

Erwin

Try something like this:

With Worksheets("Sheet1").Columns("A")
    .ColumnWidth = .ColumnWidth * 2
End With----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Erwin Craps 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 1:52 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Excel Automation Question



  Something like this.



  objExcelWorkSheet.Columns(x).ColumnWidth  

  objExcelWorkSheet is a reference to the worksheet, but I supose you can
  use activeworksheet or something to...

  Erwin

  -----Original Message-----
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  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dale Kalsow
  Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:29 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation Question


  Goood Morning Everyone,

   

  I have an excel automation question.  I have Access XP and though vba I
  am writing to an excel spread sheet.  Does any know how to set the
  column width of a column in excel and then format that column for time.

   

  Thanks in advance.

   

  Dale



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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Tue Nov 25 21:49:04 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:49:04 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control
References: 	<D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059DDF@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de><000d01c3b02b$f3981ae0$6401a8c0@user><BAY4-DAV1024qjpQEJh0000734e@hotmail.com><002101c3b307$062225b0$6401a8c0@user>
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Thanks
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Glen McWilliams 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 2:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  Kath

  The is sample does not use the combo box control from the forms toolbar, but rather the standard combo box control from the Control Toolbox.

  Glen
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Kath Pelletti 
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
    Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:48 PM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


    Thanks Glen - I can see what you are getting at with the after_update vs. the on_Change and thanks for the sample.

    It's taken me a couple of days to work out what's what with combo boxes in Excel and yours has been created with the combo box control on the forms toolbar, right? So it is an ActiveX control with on change events, value property etc. The only problem I have with that is that I am trying to create this app without ActiveX controls as it will be widely used by a client and I don't want to have any deployment issues.

    The hassle of not using the ActiveXcontrol and going with the combo on the forms toolbar, though, is the lack of properties and events - it has no on change event - you can only assign a macro, define an input range, and a cell link. But I have found (YES!!) a way to reference that object in code which, coming from access vba development,  I find really strange.

    1. You give the combo boxes named ranges (in my case Cbo_Entity, Cbo_CostCentre),
    2. Not that the named ranges do not appear in the list of named ranges anywhere. (Why I don't know - that threw me for ages))
    3. Assign a macro to the combo and in the vba window refer to that or any other combo boxes created using the syntax
        ActiveSheet.DrawingObjects("RangeNameofCombo") syntax.

    eg. when my combo Cbo_Entity changes, change the source data (ie. input range)  for the other combo box Cbo_CostCentre:

    Sub CboEntity_Change()    'name of assigned macro 
    Dim strerrormsg As String
    On Error GoTo Err_Handler

    ThisWorkbook.Worksheets("lists").Activate
    '
    'Application.ScreenUpdating = False
    ThisWorkbook.Worksheets("Lists 2").Activate
    '
    If Range("Sel_Entity") = 1 And (Range("Sel_Location") = 2) Then
        ThisWorkbook.Worksheets("Menu").Activate
        ActiveSheet.DrawingObjects("Cbo_CostCentre").Select                    'select the combo box
        With Selection
            .ListFillRange = "CostCentres_Range1"                                        'populate its source data with new range
            '.LinkedCell = "ExpSelection_No"
            .DropDownLines = 10
        End With
    End If
    --------------

    Kath

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Glen McWilliams 
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving ; SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au 
      Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:20 PM
      Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


      Kath,

      I was wrong, it is the On Change event. 
      See attached sample
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Kath Pelletti 
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
        Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:35 AM
        Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


        Thanks Alan - but the combo box (I used the one from the forms toolbar) does not appear to have a name property or an on change event. You can attach a macro (and therefore an event) to it but that's it - I can't find a way to refer back to that control name in the code.

        Maybe you are referring to the combo control from the Control Toolbox toolbar? I was reluctant to use that because I think I read that it would require registration on distribution??

        Kath
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Garraway, Alun 
          To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
          Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:06 PM
          Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


          ok

          create a modul and declare a public variable.

          then for the combo on change event
          try this:

          Private Sub cboSheet1_Change()
              
              myVar = Me.cboSheet1.Value
              
          End Sub

          note: cboSheet1 is the name of my combobox
          and MyVar is the public variable in the modul
          hth
          alun


          -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
          Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
          [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
          Pelletti
          Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 09:46
          An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
          Betreff: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


          Hi Alan - it's just on the worksheet.
          Kath
            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: Garraway, Alun 
            To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
            Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:35 PM
            Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


            hi Kath,

            is the control on an excel worksheet or are u using
            a userform?

            alun

            -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
            Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
            [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
            Pelletti
            Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 00:38
            An: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
            Betreff: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


            Can anyone tell me how to refer to a form control in Excel (in this case a combo box) so that I can read its contents into a variable in vba?

            Urgent.
            TIA


            Kath Pelletti
            Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
            Ph: 9505-6714
            Fax: 9505-6430
            sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From glen_mcwilliams at msn.com  Tue Nov 25 21:56:41 2003
From: glen_mcwilliams at msn.com (Glen McWilliams)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:56:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] test OT
References: <OF07647152.8808E2FC-ONCA256DE9.007ED384@agric.nsw.gov.au>
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Connie

The only place that comes close the number of cars is Bankok

Glen McWilliams
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:06 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] test OT 


  I am married to a guy from Minnesota, first time I saw LA I was 
  speechless..... I am sure we dont have as many cars as I saw on the road

  Of course what amazes me about the cars in MN is the rust 

  Connie Kamrowski

  Analyst/Programmer
  Information Technology
  NSW Agriculture
  Orange

  Ph: 02 6391 3250
  Fax:02 6391 3290





  Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
  Sent by: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  26/11/2003 09:07 AM
  Please respond to Access Developers discussion and problem solving 

   
          To:     "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
          cc: 
          Subject:        RE: [AccessD] test


  Traffic in Florida doesn't hold a candle to what I have seen in other
  states....

  Of course, this is OT material....<grin>

  Drew

  -----Original Message-----
  From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:27 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] test


  ...you've seen nothing ...the snowbirds have returned to south Florida for
  the season ...so instead of traffic jams at 8AM and 5PM we now have just 
  one
  ...24 friggin' hours of Caddies backing up to the exit they missed ...pray
  for March :(

  William Hindman
  Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
  government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
  To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:47 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] test


  > Sheesh, there was more traffic then I cared for!.....oh, you mean on the
  > list, I thought you meant driving....<grin>
  >
  > Drew
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
  > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:54 AM
  > To: AccessD
  > Subject: [AccessD] test
  >
  >
  > No traffic this morning.
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  > www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From pcs at azizaz.com  Tue Nov 25 22:18:07 2003
From: pcs at azizaz.com (Borge Steen Hansen)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:18:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Corrupt Backend Database - Solved!
References: 	<8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD79B3@xlivmbx12.aig.com><001001c3b3bf$111d8aa0$be0e90cb@prosys.local>
	<002601c3b3c6$cb9f5820$6401a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <002801c3b3d4$4c2d9440$be0e90cb@prosys.local>

Thanks for that,
I was thrown by the user mentioning that applying the Repair utility did not
work.

Doing a bit of search I found that the latest version of the Microsoft Jet
database engine 3.51 has enhanced its compact process. Compact now assumes
all the functionality that the Jet database engine repair process included
and it is no longer recommended to use the Jet database engine repair
process.

So disregarding the 'repair' and applying a compact solved the problem.

I also now notice that Access 2K and XP has just "Compact and Repair
Database...."

Regards
Borge


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kath Pelletti" <SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Corrupt Backend Database - Help!


Have you tried running Jetcomp on it?

http://www.accessdatabaserepair.com/jetcomp.htm

HTH
Kath



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Nov 26 01:37:06 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:37:06 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] test OT - Enough
In-Reply-To: <BAY4-DAV678FSA4AleL0000a125@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c3b3f0$17b9c780$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Ok this is starting to sprout. If you want to continue please take it to the
OT list.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Glen McWilliams
> Sent: 26 November 2003 03:57
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] test OT
> 
> 
> Connie
> 
> The only place that comes close the number of cars is Bankok
> 
> Glen McWilliams
> Creative Hightek, Inc.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au 
>   To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
>   Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:06 PM
>   Subject: RE: [AccessD] test OT 
> 
> 
>   I am married to a guy from Minnesota, first time I saw LA I was 
>   speechless..... I am sure we dont have as many cars as I 
> saw on the road
> 
>   Of course what amazes me about the cars in MN is the rust 
> 
>   Connie Kamrowski
> 
>   Analyst/Programmer
>   Information Technology
>   NSW Agriculture
>   Orange
> 
>   Ph: 02 6391 3250
>   Fax:02 6391 3290
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
>   Sent by: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>   26/11/2003 09:07 AM
>   Please respond to Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
> 
>    
>           To:     "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
> solving'" 
>   <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>           cc: 
>           Subject:        RE: [AccessD] test
> 
> 
>   Traffic in Florida doesn't hold a candle to what I have 
> seen in other
>   states....
> 
>   Of course, this is OT material....<grin>
> 
>   Drew
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
>   Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:27 PM
>   To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>   Subject: Re: [AccessD] test
> 
> 
>   ...you've seen nothing ...the snowbirds have returned to 
> south Florida for
>   the season ...so instead of traffic jams at 8AM and 5PM we 
> now have just 
>   one
>   ...24 friggin' hours of Caddies backing up to the exit they 
> missed ...pray
>   for March :(
> 
>   William Hindman
>   Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
>   government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
>   To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>   <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>   Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:47 PM
>   Subject: RE: [AccessD] test
> 
> 
>   > Sheesh, there was more traffic then I cared for!.....oh, 
> you mean on the
>   > list, I thought you meant driving....<grin>
>   >
>   > Drew
>   >
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
>   > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:54 AM
>   > To: AccessD
>   > Subject: [AccessD] test
>   >
>   >
>   > No traffic this morning.
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From viner at eunet.yu  Tue Nov 25 01:23:30 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:23:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Learning English
Message-ID: <03c201c3b325$0fc16400$0100a8c0@razvoj>

Hi,
sorry for the OT post, but I want to improve my English and want to start to teach my 7 years old daughter too(e.g. easy songs for kids). So, can you give me some "worth to take a look" sites on the Web, because Google are too generous :(
Please post privately!
MTIA,
    Ervin

From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 26 05:20:47 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 12:20:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Info Interesting use of InfoPath
In-Reply-To: <3F7A7578.9000007@shaw.ca>
References: <3F7AF33E.14003.19E6DAF@localhost> <3F7A7578.9000007@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <19912402073.20031126122047@cactus.dk>

Hi Marty et all

Also, this quite nice link aimed at ISVs and developers is on-line:

  InfoPath 2003 Health Level Seven Clinical Document Architecture Demo

  http://www.microsoft.com/technet/itsolutions/mso/cda/


/gustav


> If you were wondering about uses for InfoPath.
> Rather than use Access to link to a webservice. This method with 
> InfoPath allows a user to quickly link to a webservice via XML with no 
> coding. The webservice could be a ASP.Net hook to an old Cobol legacy 
> app to edit or add data..

> Dynamically Data-bind in InfoPath By Thiru Thangarathinam

> http://www.developer.com/net/article.php/3082431


From awithing at twcny.rr.com  Wed Nov 26 05:58:32 2003
From: awithing at twcny.rr.com (augusta)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 06:58:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Learning English
In-Reply-To: <03c201c3b325$0fc16400$0100a8c0@razvoj>
Message-ID: <007401c3b414$a07f0390$6401a8c0@dell8200>

http://www.weesing.com/homepage.htm


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ervin Brindza
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:24 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Learning English
> 
> Hi,
> sorry for the OT post, but I want to improve my English and want to
start
> to teach my 7 years old daughter too(e.g. easy songs for kids). So,
can
> you give me some "worth to take a look" sites on the Web, because
Google
> are too generous :(
> Please post privately!
> MTIA,
>     Ervin
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From viner at eunet.yu  Wed Nov 26 06:41:42 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:41:42 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Re:  OT: Learning English
References: <007401c3b414$a07f0390$6401a8c0@dell8200>
Message-ID: <009701c3b41a$d75dbd60$0100a8c0@razvoj>

> http://www.weesing.com/homepage.htm

Many thanks, it'll be useful :)
Have a nice day,
    Ervin



From Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca  Wed Nov 26 08:40:02 2003
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca (Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:40:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Accessing Oracle BLOB via MS Access
Message-ID: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D82649@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>

I'm hoping someone has an answer or advice on this. We have Oracle 9i with a
table containing Blob/Clob data types. We also do a lot of data base queries
against Oracle via Access 97 and Access 2000. (ODBC ADO).

A new application has the blob/clob. Attempting to access these fields gives
an error in Access. Does anyone have a technique or samples of how to access
this Oracle data type with Access 97 or 2000?

TIA.
Jack

From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 26 08:59:02 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 06:59:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Hide Field Once New Record is Saved
In-Reply-To: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D82649@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <20031126145902.92539.qmail@web20415.mail.yahoo.com>



I have a form that is used for new records and modifying existing records. I want a field to be visible when a user enters a new record then hide it from view once the new record has been saved.

My other thought was to make the field a modal pop up when entering new records. Based on the flow of the data entry being done, I would prefer my first choice.

Thanks to any and all responders!



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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Nov 26 09:16:20 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:16:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hide Field Once New Record is Saved
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD79B9@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

In the form's OnCurrent event...
	
	YourField.Visible = Not NewRecord

Then do exactly the same thing in the AfterInsert event which will handle
cases where the record is saved but remains current.

Lambert

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> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	[AccessD] Hide Field Once New Record is Saved
> 
> 
> 
> I have a form that is used for new records and modifying existing records.
> I want a field to be visible when a user enters a new record then hide it
> from view once the new record has been saved.
> 
> My other thought was to make the field a modal pop up when entering new
> records. Based on the flow of the data entry being done, I would prefer my
> first choice.
> 
> Thanks to any and all responders!
> 
> 
> 
> Lonnie Johnson
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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 26 09:25:12 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:25:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Hide Field Once New Record is Saved
In-Reply-To: <20031126145902.92539.qmail@web20415.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20031126152512.35552.qmail@web20420.mail.yahoo.com>




Sorry to bug you guys. I didn't look far enough in help. The code would be in the On Current Event and it would read...

MyField.Visible = Me.NewRecord


 


Lonnie Johnson <prodevmg at yahoo.com> wrote: 

I have a form that is used for new records and modifying existing records. I want a field to be visible when a user enters a new record then hide it from view once the new record has been saved.

My other thought was to make the field a modal pop up when entering new records. Based on the flow of the data entry being done, I would prefer my first choice.

Thanks to any and all responders!



Lonnie Johnson
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From pedro at plex.nl  Wed Nov 26 16:52:23 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:52:23 (MET)
Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
Message-ID: <200311261552.hAQFqNEU001348@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hello Group,

i have a report on which adress-labels are shown. 1 label each. I want to use a dynamo label printer. The problem is that the labels of this printer are vertical. Is there a way to rotate text from a textbox on a report. 

TIA

Pedro Janssen

From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Nov 26 09:53:19 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:53:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] IBAN/BIC length and structure.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF3E@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hi people
 
I'm adding some IBAN and BIC fields to an internationaly used app but
can't find some data.
I found everything I need to know about IBAN code structure and lenght,
but i can't seem to find a structure and/or length for the Swift BIC
code.
 
Does anyone knows what the lenght and structure of a BIC code is?
 
Thx

 

Erwin Craps

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From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:55:13 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ISABEL CODA files importing/exporting.
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed Nov 26 09:55:26 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:55:26 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
Message-ID: <25154556.1069862126779.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>

To all,
I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, returning resultsets in tables from Access & SQL Server etc.
Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any book recommendations ?
Thanks in advance for all your help
Paul Hartland

From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Wed Nov 26 10:03:55 2003
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:03:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
In-Reply-To: <25154556.1069862126779.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
Message-ID: <002f01c3b436$e4fb6460$8b194244@hargrove.internal>

"SQL Server 2000 Web Application Developer's Guide" ISBN 0072126191

Mike and Doris Manning
mikedorism at adelphia.net


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Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development


To all,
I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, returning
resultsets in tables from Access & SQL Server etc. Anyone know any good
sites to get me started along with any book recommendations ? Thanks in
advance for all your help Paul Hartland
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed Nov 26 10:05:19 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:05:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F940@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

4guysfromrolla.com or learnasp.com are pretty good.  I'm sure if you search the archives you'll find plenty more as this subject comes up quite a bit.

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan



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To all,
I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, returning resultsets in tables from Access & SQL Server etc.
Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any book recommendations ?
Thanks in advance for all your help
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 26 10:12:06 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:12:06 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
In-Reply-To: <200311261552.hAQFqNEU001348@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKICEGPENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Pedro:
Which model are you using?

If its a thermal label printer I can give you some help.

JB

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> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
> 
> 
> Hello Group,
> 
> i have a report on which adress-labels are shown. 1 label each. I 
> want to use a dynamo label printer. The problem is that the 
> labels of this printer are vertical. Is there a way to rotate 
> text from a textbox on a report. 
> 
> TIA
> 
> Pedro Janssen
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 26 10:16:48 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:16:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
References: <200311261552.hAQFqNEU001348@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c3b438$b3c73110$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

www.lebans.com

William Hindman
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government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <pedro at plex.nl>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:52 PM
Subject: [AccessD] rotate text


> Hello Group,
>
> i have a report on which adress-labels are shown. 1 label each. I want to
use a dynamo label printer. The problem is that the labels of this printer
are vertical. Is there a way to rotate text from a textbox on a report.
>
> TIA
>
> Pedro Janssen
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 26 10:23:33 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:23:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
References: <25154556.1069862126779.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
Message-ID: <001601c3b439$a310ab20$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...first buy or steal a copy of Macromedia's Dreamweaver MX ...then buy a
copy of our own Susan Harkins' Dreamweaver MX Databases (Sybex ISBN
078214148X) ...its full of sample dbs and scripts :)

...if you can't afford Dreamweaver, then the new FrontPage 2003 has become a
pretty good alternative (just like everything else, MS eventually gets it
right) HTH :)

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

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Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 10:55 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development


> To all,
> I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, returning
resultsets in tables from Access & SQL Server etc.
> Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any book
recommendations ?
> Thanks in advance for all your help
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Nov 26 10:23:19 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:23:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Format of a field.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF40@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

This is probably the first time in probably 10 years I'm looking at the
field format in a table again.
I never used them because of never needed or wanted it.
 
I want to paper format an IBAN code which is 4 characters space 4
characters space 4 characters etc.
 
something like this 
1234 ABCD 5678 EFGH 90
 
The thing is that a IBAN code can be  34 character long wich means if
all 34 characters are used you have at the end 2 characters.
So I formated &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&
But instead of aligning left it aligns right, so my code looks like 
12 34AB CD56 78EF GH90
instead of
1234 ABCD 5678 EFGH 90
 
How can I resolve this that the code is left aligned and not right?
I could write some code to do this, but this is like a real good
situation where I could use the format property of a field/control.
 

 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 26 10:29:37 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:29:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] IBAN/BIC length and structure.
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF3E@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF3E@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <9130932809.20031126172937@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

> I'm adding some IBAN and BIC fields to an internationaly used app but
> can't find some data.
> I found everything I need to know about IBAN code structure and lenght,
> but i can't seem to find a structure and/or length for the Swift BIC
> code.
 
> Does anyone knows what the lenght and structure of a BIC code is?

Yes, in German!

Also note this ultimate link:

  http://www.swift.com/biconline/index.cfm


<german>

Jeder SWIFT-Teilnehmer hat eine eindeutige Kennung, den sogenannten
BIC (Bank Identifier Code). 
Dieser hat 8 oder 11 Stellen und ist wie folgt aufgebaut : 

bank code
        4 Stellen Alphazeichen frei gew?hlt (Bundesbank z.B. MARK) 

country code
        2 Stellen Alphazeichen, ISO-Code des Landes (in Deutschland also DE) 

location code
        2 Stellen alphanumerisch zur Ortsangabe (z.B. FF f?r Frankfurt) 

branch code
        wahlweise 3 Stellen alphanumerisch zur Bezeichnung von Filialen 

Einige Besonderheiten kann man auch am SWIFT-BIC erkennen: 

Eine Null an der 8. Stelle kennzeichnet eine Testkennung 

Eine 1 an der 8. Stelle gibt an, da? es sich nicht um einen
Live-Teilnehmer handelt, der selber an SWIFT angeschlossen ist
(sogenannte non-SWIFT BICs). Solche Kennungen k?nnen nur als eine Art
"Adre?k?rzel" in Nachrichten benutzt werden, wenn auf diese Bank
verwiesen wird, diese Teilnehmer k?nnen aber selber keine Nachrichten
senden oder empfangen     
Bei US-amerikanischen Kennungen gibt die vorletzte Stelle des location
codes die Zeitzone (3=Ostk?ste bis 6=Westk?ste) der betreffenden Bank
an  

Eine Stelle mit Sende-/Empfangsterminal hat immer eine 8-stellige
Kennung, Filialen (11 Stellen) senden immer ?ber die ?bergeordnete
8-stellige Nummer  

Wegen seiner Eindeutigkeit wird ein SWIFT-BIC im grenz?berschreitenden
Zahlungsverkehr wie eine Art internationale Bankleitzahl verwendet.
Diese Codes sind nach ISO 9362 genormt und SWIFT ist von ISO als die
"registration authority" f?r die Umsetzung der Norm benannt worden.

</german>


We use these declarations and two functions:

<code>

' Module for handling and validation of
'   IBAN, International Bank Account Number
' and
'   BIC, Bank Identifier Code
'
' as well as ISO 7064 MOD 97-10 calculations.
'
' (c) 2003. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  ' Length of short ISO 3166 alpha country code per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenISO3166Alpha              As Long = 2
  ' Lenght of ISO 7064 check number per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenISO7064Check              As Long = 2
  ' Minimum length of BBAN, Basic Bank Account Number.
  ' Emperic value. Normally minimum 4 + 8 but 11 for Norway.
  Private Const pclngLenBBANMin                   As Long = 10
  
  ' Length of BIC bank code per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenBICBank                   As Long = 4
  ' Length of BIC location code per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenBICLocation               As Long = 2
  ' Length of BIC branch code per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenBICBranch                 As Long = 3
  
  ' Maximum length of Electronic IBAN string per definition.
  ' Example: FR1420041010050500013M02606
  Private Const pclngLenIBANElectronicMax         As Long = 34
  ' Length of Paper IBAN group per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenIBANPaperGroup            As Long = 4
  ' Spacing of Paper IBAN groups per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenIBANPaperGroupSpacing     As Long = 1
  
  ' Constants for IsStrISO13616() for verification method.
  Private Const pcbytVerifyISO13616Alphanums      As Byte = 0
  Private Const pcbytVerifyISO13616Chars          As Byte = 1
  Private Const pcbytVerifyISO13616Digits         As Byte = 2
  
  ' Valid IBAN characters, 0-9 and A-Z.
  Private Const pcbytAscIBANDigitMin              As Byte = &H30
  Private Const pcbytAscIBANDigitMax              As Byte = &H39
  Private Const pcbytAscIBANCharMin               As Byte = &H41
  Private Const pcbytAscIBANCharMax               As Byte = &H5A
  ' IBAN value of character "A" per definition.
  Private Const pclngValIBANCharA                 As Long = 10
  ' Offset from IBAN value of char to ASCII value of char.
  Private Const pclngValIBANCharOffset            As Long = pcbytAscIBANCharMin - pclngValIBANCharA
  
  ' Type definition for IBAN string.
  ' An IBAN string consists of:
  '   tIBAN.strISO & tIBAN.strChk & tIBAN.strBBAN
  '
  Private Type tIBAN
    ' Chars only.
    strISO      As String * pclngLenISO3166Alpha
    ' Digits only.
    strChk      As String * pclngLenISO7064Check
    ' Alphanums. Variable length.
    strBBAN     As String
  End Type

  ' Type definition for BIC string.
  ' A BIC string consists of:
  '   tBIC.strBank & tBIC.strCountry & tBIC.strLocation
  ' or
  '   tBIC.strBank & tBIC.strCountry & tBIC.strLocation & tBIC.strBranch
  '
  Private Type tBIC
    ' Chars only.
    StrBank     As String * pclngLenBICBank
    ' Chars only.
    strISO      As String * pclngLenISO3166Alpha
    ' Alphanums.
    strLocation As String * pclngLenBICLocation
    ' Alphanums.
    strBranch   As String * pclngLenBICBranch
  End Type

'----

Public Function IsStrBIC(ByVal strBIC As String) As Boolean

' Verifies if strString is a valid BIC, Bank Interchange Code, or
' S.W.I.F.T. code according to ISO 13616.
' Returns True for strings that can be validated.
' Returns False for all other strings including empty strings.
'
' Requires:
'   IsStrISO13616()
'
' 2003-06-20. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  ' Length of BIC without branch code per definition.
  Const clngBICShort        As Long = pclngLenBICBank + pclngLenISO3166Alpha + pclngLenBICLocation
  ' Length of BIC branch code per definition.
  Const clngBICBranch       As Long = pclngLenBICBranch
  ' Length of BIC with branch code per definition.
  Const clngBICLong         As Long = clngBICShort + clngBICBranch
  
  Dim typBIC  As tBIC
  
  Dim lngLen  As Long
  Dim booChk  As Boolean
    
  lngLen = Len(strBIC)
  ' Check length of strBIC.
  If lngLen = clngBICShort Or lngLen = clngBICLong Then
    ' Extract substrings.
    With typBIC
      .StrBank = Mid(strBIC, 1)
      .strISO = Mid(strBIC, 1 + pclngLenBICBank)
      .strLocation = Mid(strBIC, 1 + pclngLenBICBank + pclngLenISO3166Alpha)
      .strBranch = Mid(strBIC, 1 + clngBICShort)
      ' Verify substrings.
      If IsStrISO13616(.StrBank, pcbytVerifyISO13616Chars) = True Then
        If IsStrISO13616(.strISO, pcbytVerifyISO13616Chars) = True Then
          If IsStrISO13616(.strLocation, pcbytVerifyISO13616Alphanums) = True Then
            If lngLen = clngBICShort Then
              ' Short BIC verified.
              booChk = True
            ElseIf IsStrISO13616(.strBranch, pcbytVerifyISO13616Alphanums) = True Then
              ' Long BIC verified.
              booChk = True
            End If
          End If
        End If
      End If
    End With
  End If
  
  IsStrBIC = booChk

End Function

Public Function IsStrISO13616( _
  ByVal strString As String, _
  Optional ByVal bytAlphaNum As Byte) _
  As Boolean

' Performs a character by character validation according to ISO 13616.
' If bytAlphaNum is 1, only digits are accepted.
' If bytAlphaNum is 2, only chars are accepted.
' If bytAlphaNum is 0, missing or another value than 1 or 2, both
' chars and digits are accepted.
'
' Returns True for strings that can be validated.
' Returns False for all other strings including empty strings.
'
' 2003-06-20. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  Dim lngLoop As Long
  Dim lngLen  As Long
  Dim bytAsc  As Byte
  Dim booChk  As Boolean

  lngLen = Len(strString)
  If lngLen > 0 Then
    booChk = True
    For lngLoop = 1 To lngLen
      ' Check each character.
      bytAsc = Asc(Mid(strString, lngLoop))
      Select Case bytAsc
        Case pcbytAscIBANDigitMin To pcbytAscIBANDigitMax
          ' Digit.
          If bytAlphaNum = pcbytVerifyISO13616Chars Then
            ' Digits not allowed.
            booChk = False
          End If
        Case pcbytAscIBANCharMin To pcbytAscIBANCharMax
          ' Valid non-numeric character.
          If bytAlphaNum = pcbytVerifyISO13616Digits Then
            ' Characters not allowed.
            booChk = False
          End If
        Case Else
          ' Invalid character.
          booChk = False
      End Select
    Next
  End If
  
  IsStrISO13616 = booChk

End Function

</code>

Great fun!

/gustav


From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 26 10:30:36 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:30:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
In-Reply-To: <200311261552.hAQFqNEU001348@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEGPENAA.john@winhaven.net>

BTW: Dymo will do this for you if its one of the thermal label printers.

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of pedro at plex.nl
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:52 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
> 
> 
> Hello Group,
> 
> i have a report on which adress-labels are shown. 1 label each. I 
> want to use a dynamo label printer. The problem is that the 
> labels of this printer are vertical. Is there a way to rotate 
> text from a textbox on a report. 
> 
> TIA
> 
> Pedro Janssen
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> 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 26 10:38:02 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:38:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Format of a field.
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF40@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF40@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <3531437194.20031126173802@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

> This is probably the first time in probably 10 years I'm looking at the
> field format in a table again.
> I never used them because of never needed or wanted it.
 
> I want to paper format an IBAN code which is 4 characters space 4
> characters space 4 characters etc.
 
> something like this 
> 1234 ABCD 5678 EFGH 90
 
> The thing is that a IBAN code can be  34 character long wich means if
> all 34 characters are used you have at the end 2 characters.
> So I formated &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&
> But instead of aligning left it aligns right, so my code looks like 
> 12 34AB CD56 78EF GH90
> instead of
> 1234 ABCD 5678 EFGH 90
 
> How can I resolve this that the code is left aligned and not right?
> I could write some code to do this, but this is like a real good
> situation where I could use the format property of a field/control.
 
You are close. This is how to format a textbox:

!&&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&

Also, we have this function for creating a formatted string:

<code>

Public Function FormatPaperIBAN(ByVal strIBAN As String) As String

' Formats Electronic IBAN (or Paper IBAN) strIBAN as Paper IBAN.
'
' Example:
'   FR1420041010050500013M02606
' formats as
'   FR14 2004 1010 0505 0001 3M02 606
'
' Limitation: Doesn't validate strIBAN except for string length.
' Use IsStrIBAN(strIBAN) for complete validation.
'
' Requires:
'   MTrim()
'
' 2003-06-25. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  Dim strPaperIBAN  As String
  Dim strFormat     As String
  Dim strTrim       As String
  Dim strGroup      As String
  Dim lngGroups     As Long
  Dim lngIBAN       As Long
  Dim lngLoop       As Long
  
  ' Trim mid spaces from string.
  strTrim = MTrim(strIBAN)
  lngIBAN = Len(strTrim)
  If lngIBAN < pclngLenISO3166Alpha + pclngLenISO7064Check + pclngLenBBANMin Then
    ' Not a possible IBAN string.
  Else
    ' Calculate number of format groups.
    lngGroups = (lngIBAN - 1) \ pclngLenIBANPaperGroup
    ' Build left filling format string forcing uppercase.
    strGroup = String(pclngLenIBANPaperGroup, "&")
    strFormat = "!>" & strGroup
    For lngLoop = 1 To lngGroups
      strFormat = strFormat & Space(pclngLenIBANPaperGroupSpacing) & strGroup
    Next
    ' Fill string from left to right.
    strPaperIBAN = Format(strTrim, strFormat)
  End If
  
  FormatPaperIBAN = strPaperIBAN

End Function

Public Function MTrim(ByVal strString As String) As String

' Trims strString for mid and outer spaces.
'
' 1999-06-23. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  Const cstrSpace As String * 1 = " "
  
  Dim lngTemp As Long
  Dim lngChop As Long
  Dim lngLoop As Long
  Dim strTemp As String
  Dim strTrim As String
    
  strTemp = Trim(strString)
  lngTemp = Len(strTemp)
  If lngTemp > 0 Then
    strTrim = strTemp
    lngChop = 1
    Do
      lngChop = InStr(lngChop, strTrim, cstrSpace)
      If lngChop > 0 Then
        ' A space is found. Shift one character and
        ' overwrite this space in string strTrim.
        lngLoop = lngLoop + 1
        Mid(strTrim, lngChop) = Mid(strTemp, lngChop + lngLoop)
      End If
    Loop Until lngChop = 0
    ' String strTrim now contains no spaces.
  End If
  
  ' Return net length of trimmed string.
  MTrim = Left(strTrim, lngTemp - lngLoop)

End Function


</code>

/gustav
 

> Erwin Craps

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Nov 26 10:48:49 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:48:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] IBAN/BIC length and structure.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF41@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

German is OK
Every Dutch speaking persons understand pretty well German...

When ich das spreche musse kan ich das mit eines heise kartuffel in den mond :-) 
I hope this makes some sense.....


I was on the Swift site, but no way I could find some definitions.
I got more than I needed from U Gustav, Thanks for your code, I'll leave the credit in it...

Dankesch?n...
(Or something :-)


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] IBAN/BIC length and structure.

Hi Erwin

> I'm adding some IBAN and BIC fields to an internationaly used app but 
> can't find some data.
> I found everything I need to know about IBAN code structure and 
> lenght, but i can't seem to find a structure and/or length for the 
> Swift BIC code.
 
> Does anyone knows what the lenght and structure of a BIC code is?

Yes, in German!

Also note this ultimate link:

  http://www.swift.com/biconline/index.cfm


<german>

Jeder SWIFT-Teilnehmer hat eine eindeutige Kennung, den sogenannten BIC (Bank Identifier Code). 
Dieser hat 8 oder 11 Stellen und ist wie folgt aufgebaut : 

bank code
        4 Stellen Alphazeichen frei gew?hlt (Bundesbank z.B. MARK) 

country code
        2 Stellen Alphazeichen, ISO-Code des Landes (in Deutschland also DE) 

location code
        2 Stellen alphanumerisch zur Ortsangabe (z.B. FF f?r Frankfurt) 

branch code
        wahlweise 3 Stellen alphanumerisch zur Bezeichnung von Filialen 

Einige Besonderheiten kann man auch am SWIFT-BIC erkennen: 

Eine Null an der 8. Stelle kennzeichnet eine Testkennung 

Eine 1 an der 8. Stelle gibt an, da? es sich nicht um einen Live-Teilnehmer handelt, der selber an SWIFT angeschlossen ist (sogenannte non-SWIFT BICs). Solche Kennungen k?nnen nur als eine Art "Adre?k?rzel" in Nachrichten benutzt werden, wenn auf diese Bank verwiesen wird, diese Teilnehmer k?nnen aber selber keine Nachrichten
senden oder empfangen     
Bei US-amerikanischen Kennungen gibt die vorletzte Stelle des location codes die Zeitzone (3=Ostk?ste bis 6=Westk?ste) der betreffenden Bank an  

Eine Stelle mit Sende-/Empfangsterminal hat immer eine 8-stellige Kennung, Filialen (11 Stellen) senden immer ?ber die ?bergeordnete 8-stellige Nummer  

Wegen seiner Eindeutigkeit wird ein SWIFT-BIC im grenz?berschreitenden Zahlungsverkehr wie eine Art internationale Bankleitzahl verwendet.
Diese Codes sind nach ISO 9362 genormt und SWIFT ist von ISO als die "registration authority" f?r die Umsetzung der Norm benannt worden.

</german>


We use these declarations and two functions:

<code>

' Module for handling and validation of
'   IBAN, International Bank Account Number
' and
'   BIC, Bank Identifier Code
'
' as well as ISO 7064 MOD 97-10 calculations.
'
' (c) 2003. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  ' Length of short ISO 3166 alpha country code per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenISO3166Alpha              As Long = 2
  ' Lenght of ISO 7064 check number per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenISO7064Check              As Long = 2
  ' Minimum length of BBAN, Basic Bank Account Number.
  ' Emperic value. Normally minimum 4 + 8 but 11 for Norway.
  Private Const pclngLenBBANMin                   As Long = 10
  
  ' Length of BIC bank code per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenBICBank                   As Long = 4
  ' Length of BIC location code per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenBICLocation               As Long = 2
  ' Length of BIC branch code per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenBICBranch                 As Long = 3
  
  ' Maximum length of Electronic IBAN string per definition.
  ' Example: FR1420041010050500013M02606
  Private Const pclngLenIBANElectronicMax         As Long = 34
  ' Length of Paper IBAN group per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenIBANPaperGroup            As Long = 4
  ' Spacing of Paper IBAN groups per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenIBANPaperGroupSpacing     As Long = 1
  
  ' Constants for IsStrISO13616() for verification method.
  Private Const pcbytVerifyISO13616Alphanums      As Byte = 0
  Private Const pcbytVerifyISO13616Chars          As Byte = 1
  Private Const pcbytVerifyISO13616Digits         As Byte = 2
  
  ' Valid IBAN characters, 0-9 and A-Z.
  Private Const pcbytAscIBANDigitMin              As Byte = &H30
  Private Const pcbytAscIBANDigitMax              As Byte = &H39
  Private Const pcbytAscIBANCharMin               As Byte = &H41
  Private Const pcbytAscIBANCharMax               As Byte = &H5A
  ' IBAN value of character "A" per definition.
  Private Const pclngValIBANCharA                 As Long = 10
  ' Offset from IBAN value of char to ASCII value of char.
  Private Const pclngValIBANCharOffset            As Long = pcbytAscIBANCharMin - pclngValIBANCharA
  
  ' Type definition for IBAN string.
  ' An IBAN string consists of:
  '   tIBAN.strISO & tIBAN.strChk & tIBAN.strBBAN
  '
  Private Type tIBAN
    ' Chars only.
    strISO      As String * pclngLenISO3166Alpha
    ' Digits only.
    strChk      As String * pclngLenISO7064Check
    ' Alphanums. Variable length.
    strBBAN     As String
  End Type

  ' Type definition for BIC string.
  ' A BIC string consists of:
  '   tBIC.strBank & tBIC.strCountry & tBIC.strLocation
  ' or
  '   tBIC.strBank & tBIC.strCountry & tBIC.strLocation & tBIC.strBranch
  '
  Private Type tBIC
    ' Chars only.
    StrBank     As String * pclngLenBICBank
    ' Chars only.
    strISO      As String * pclngLenISO3166Alpha
    ' Alphanums.
    strLocation As String * pclngLenBICLocation
    ' Alphanums.
    strBranch   As String * pclngLenBICBranch
  End Type

'----

Public Function IsStrBIC(ByVal strBIC As String) As Boolean

' Verifies if strString is a valid BIC, Bank Interchange Code, or ' S.W.I.F.T. code according to ISO 13616.
' Returns True for strings that can be validated.
' Returns False for all other strings including empty strings.
'
' Requires:
'   IsStrISO13616()
'
' 2003-06-20. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  ' Length of BIC without branch code per definition.
  Const clngBICShort        As Long = pclngLenBICBank + pclngLenISO3166Alpha + pclngLenBICLocation
  ' Length of BIC branch code per definition.
  Const clngBICBranch       As Long = pclngLenBICBranch
  ' Length of BIC with branch code per definition.
  Const clngBICLong         As Long = clngBICShort + clngBICBranch
  
  Dim typBIC  As tBIC
  
  Dim lngLen  As Long
  Dim booChk  As Boolean
    
  lngLen = Len(strBIC)
  ' Check length of strBIC.
  If lngLen = clngBICShort Or lngLen = clngBICLong Then
    ' Extract substrings.
    With typBIC
      .StrBank = Mid(strBIC, 1)
      .strISO = Mid(strBIC, 1 + pclngLenBICBank)
      .strLocation = Mid(strBIC, 1 + pclngLenBICBank + pclngLenISO3166Alpha)
      .strBranch = Mid(strBIC, 1 + clngBICShort)
      ' Verify substrings.
      If IsStrISO13616(.StrBank, pcbytVerifyISO13616Chars) = True Then
        If IsStrISO13616(.strISO, pcbytVerifyISO13616Chars) = True Then
          If IsStrISO13616(.strLocation, pcbytVerifyISO13616Alphanums) = True Then
            If lngLen = clngBICShort Then
              ' Short BIC verified.
              booChk = True
            ElseIf IsStrISO13616(.strBranch, pcbytVerifyISO13616Alphanums) = True Then
              ' Long BIC verified.
              booChk = True
            End If
          End If
        End If
      End If
    End With
  End If
  
  IsStrBIC = booChk

End Function

Public Function IsStrISO13616( _
  ByVal strString As String, _
  Optional ByVal bytAlphaNum As Byte) _
  As Boolean

' Performs a character by character validation according to ISO 13616.
' If bytAlphaNum is 1, only digits are accepted.
' If bytAlphaNum is 2, only chars are accepted.
' If bytAlphaNum is 0, missing or another value than 1 or 2, both ' chars and digits are accepted.
'
' Returns True for strings that can be validated.
' Returns False for all other strings including empty strings.
'
' 2003-06-20. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  Dim lngLoop As Long
  Dim lngLen  As Long
  Dim bytAsc  As Byte
  Dim booChk  As Boolean

  lngLen = Len(strString)
  If lngLen > 0 Then
    booChk = True
    For lngLoop = 1 To lngLen
      ' Check each character.
      bytAsc = Asc(Mid(strString, lngLoop))
      Select Case bytAsc
        Case pcbytAscIBANDigitMin To pcbytAscIBANDigitMax
          ' Digit.
          If bytAlphaNum = pcbytVerifyISO13616Chars Then
            ' Digits not allowed.
            booChk = False
          End If
        Case pcbytAscIBANCharMin To pcbytAscIBANCharMax
          ' Valid non-numeric character.
          If bytAlphaNum = pcbytVerifyISO13616Digits Then
            ' Characters not allowed.
            booChk = False
          End If
        Case Else
          ' Invalid character.
          booChk = False
      End Select
    Next
  End If
  
  IsStrISO13616 = booChk

End Function

</code>

Great fun!

/gustav

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Nov 26 10:54:33 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:54:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Format of a field.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF42@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Well I knew there where some formatting characters, no way I could find
them in the Access Help. I've lost my patience with Access help since
they putted it in HTML format.

Thanks for the code again.

Snifff, this makes me so happy :-)
Lucky me, sniffff...
No overtime today, straight to home....
I'll tell my wife and kid that I'm early today thanks to you....


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Format of a field.

Hi Erwin

> This is probably the first time in probably 10 years I'm looking at 
> the field format in a table again.
> I never used them because of never needed or wanted it.
 
> I want to paper format an IBAN code which is 4 characters space 4 
> characters space 4 characters etc.
 
> something like this
> 1234 ABCD 5678 EFGH 90
 
> The thing is that a IBAN code can be  34 character long wich means if 
> all 34 characters are used you have at the end 2 characters.
> So I formated &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& && But instead 
> of aligning left it aligns right, so my code looks like
> 12 34AB CD56 78EF GH90
> instead of
> 1234 ABCD 5678 EFGH 90
 
> How can I resolve this that the code is left aligned and not right?
> I could write some code to do this, but this is like a real good 
> situation where I could use the format property of a field/control.
 
You are close. This is how to format a textbox:

!&&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&

Also, we have this function for creating a formatted string:

<code>

Public Function FormatPaperIBAN(ByVal strIBAN As String) As String

' Formats Electronic IBAN (or Paper IBAN) strIBAN as Paper IBAN.
'
' Example:
'   FR1420041010050500013M02606
' formats as
'   FR14 2004 1010 0505 0001 3M02 606
'
' Limitation: Doesn't validate strIBAN except for string length.
' Use IsStrIBAN(strIBAN) for complete validation.
'
' Requires:
'   MTrim()
'
' 2003-06-25. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  Dim strPaperIBAN  As String
  Dim strFormat     As String
  Dim strTrim       As String
  Dim strGroup      As String
  Dim lngGroups     As Long
  Dim lngIBAN       As Long
  Dim lngLoop       As Long
  
  ' Trim mid spaces from string.
  strTrim = MTrim(strIBAN)
  lngIBAN = Len(strTrim)
  If lngIBAN < pclngLenISO3166Alpha + pclngLenISO7064Check +
pclngLenBBANMin Then
    ' Not a possible IBAN string.
  Else
    ' Calculate number of format groups.
    lngGroups = (lngIBAN - 1) \ pclngLenIBANPaperGroup
    ' Build left filling format string forcing uppercase.
    strGroup = String(pclngLenIBANPaperGroup, "&")
    strFormat = "!>" & strGroup
    For lngLoop = 1 To lngGroups
      strFormat = strFormat & Space(pclngLenIBANPaperGroupSpacing) &
strGroup
    Next
    ' Fill string from left to right.
    strPaperIBAN = Format(strTrim, strFormat)
  End If
  
  FormatPaperIBAN = strPaperIBAN

End Function

Public Function MTrim(ByVal strString As String) As String

' Trims strString for mid and outer spaces.
'
' 1999-06-23. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  Const cstrSpace As String * 1 = " "
  
  Dim lngTemp As Long
  Dim lngChop As Long
  Dim lngLoop As Long
  Dim strTemp As String
  Dim strTrim As String
    
  strTemp = Trim(strString)
  lngTemp = Len(strTemp)
  If lngTemp > 0 Then
    strTrim = strTemp
    lngChop = 1
    Do
      lngChop = InStr(lngChop, strTrim, cstrSpace)
      If lngChop > 0 Then
        ' A space is found. Shift one character and
        ' overwrite this space in string strTrim.
        lngLoop = lngLoop + 1
        Mid(strTrim, lngChop) = Mid(strTemp, lngChop + lngLoop)
      End If
    Loop Until lngChop = 0
    ' String strTrim now contains no spaces.
  End If
  
  ' Return net length of trimmed string.
  MTrim = Left(strTrim, lngTemp - lngLoop)

End Function


</code>

/gustav
 

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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Wed Nov 26 10:43:06 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:43:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Format of a field.
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB953@nnse14.nns.com>

Erwin,

An input mask would accomplish this

> Causes all characters that follow to be converted to uppercase. 

! Causes the input mask to display from right to left, rather than from left
to right. Characters typed into the mask always fill it from left to right.
You can include the exclamation point anywhere in the input mask. 

a Letter or digit (entry optional). 

If you are dealing with only letters and numbers you could change it to:

!>aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aa

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 11:23 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Format of a field.


This is probably the first time in probably 10 years I'm looking at the
field format in a table again. I never used them because of never needed or
wanted it.
 
I want to paper format an IBAN code which is 4 characters space 4 characters
space 4 characters etc.
 
something like this 
1234 ABCD 5678 EFGH 90
 
The thing is that a IBAN code can be  34 character long wich means if all 34
characters are used you have at the end 2 characters. So I formated &&&&
&&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& && But instead of aligning left it aligns
right, so my code looks like 
12 34AB CD56 78EF GH90
instead of
1234 ABCD 5678 EFGH 90
 
How can I resolve this that the code is left aligned and not right? I could
write some code to do this, but this is like a real good situation where I
could use the format property of a field/control.
 

 

Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder 

www.ithelps.be/jonathan

 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 26 11:04:18 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:04:18 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] IBAN/BIC length and structure.
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF41@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF41@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <19433013560.20031126180418@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

> German is OK
> Every Dutch speaking persons understand pretty well German...

I know.

> When ich das spreche musse kan ich das mit eines heise kartuffel in den mond :-) 
> I hope this makes some sense.....

Yes!

> I was on the Swift site, but no way I could find some definitions.

Not directly, perhaps, but under Standards you'll find many useful
links. But I remember finding it difficult too until I began searching
for German sites.

> I got more than I needed from U Gustav, Thanks for your code, I'll leave the credit in it...

> Dankesch?n...
> (Or something :-)

You're welcome.

/gustav

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:30 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] IBAN/BIC length and structure.

> Hi Erwin


>> I'm adding some IBAN and BIC fields to an internationaly used app but 
>> can't find some data.
>> I found everything I need to know about IBAN code structure and 
>> lenght, but i can't seem to find a structure and/or length for the 
>> Swift BIC code.
 
>> Does anyone knows what the lenght and structure of a BIC code is?

> Yes, in German!

> Also note this ultimate link:

>   http://www.swift.com/biconline/index.cfm


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 26 11:06:25 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:06:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Format of a field.
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF42@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF42@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <3633140723.20031126180625@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

OK. A virtual handkerchief is attached!

/gustav


> Well I knew there where some formatting characters, no way I could find
> them in the Access Help. I've lost my patience with Access help since
> they putted it in HTML format.

> Thanks for the code again.

> Snifff, this makes me so happy :-)
> Lucky me, sniffff...
> No overtime today, straight to home....
> I'll tell my wife and kid that I'm early today thanks to you....


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:38 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Format of a field.

> Hi Erwin

>> This is probably the first time in probably 10 years I'm looking at 
>> the field format in a table again.
>> I never used them because of never needed or wanted it.
 
>> I want to paper format an IBAN code which is 4 characters space 4 
>> characters space 4 characters etc.
 
>> something like this
>> 1234 ABCD 5678 EFGH 90
 
>> The thing is that a IBAN code can be  34 character long wich means if 
>> all 34 characters are used you have at the end 2 characters.
>> So I formated &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& && But instead 
>> of aligning left it aligns right, so my code looks like
>> 12 34AB CD56 78EF GH90
>> instead of
>> 1234 ABCD 5678 EFGH 90
 
>> How can I resolve this that the code is left aligned and not right?
>> I could write some code to do this, but this is like a real good 
>> situation where I could use the format property of a field/control.
 
> You are close. This is how to format a textbox:

> !&&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Nov 26 11:17:08 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:17:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Format of a field.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF43@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Aha, that should be better.

The >  I never use because it is not hard coded in the field.
I use an ucase in the Afterupdate event.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
Mark S. (Newport News)
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Format of a field.

Erwin,

An input mask would accomplish this

> Causes all characters that follow to be converted to uppercase. 

! Causes the input mask to display from right to left, rather than from
left to right. Characters typed into the mask always fill it from left
to right.
You can include the exclamation point anywhere in the input mask. 

a Letter or digit (entry optional). 

If you are dealing with only letters and numbers you could change it to:

!>aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aa

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 11:23 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Format of a field.


This is probably the first time in probably 10 years I'm looking at the
field format in a table again. I never used them because of never needed
or
wanted it.
 
I want to paper format an IBAN code which is 4 characters space 4
characters
space 4 characters etc.
 
something like this 
1234 ABCD 5678 EFGH 90
 
The thing is that a IBAN code can be  34 character long wich means if
all 34
characters are used you have at the end 2 characters. So I formated &&&&
&&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& && But instead of aligning left it
aligns
right, so my code looks like 
12 34AB CD56 78EF GH90
instead of
1234 ABCD 5678 EFGH 90
 
How can I resolve this that the code is left aligned and not right? I
could
write some code to do this, but this is like a real good situation where
I
could use the format property of a field/control.
 

 

Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder 

www.ithelps.be/jonathan

 

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 26 11:54:36 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:54:36 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
References: <25154556.1069862126779.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
Message-ID: <3FC4E8DC.9090901@shaw.ca>

You might want to look at the project code samples and articles from 
http://www.asptoday.com
It has a cost of $100 a year but really good, if just starting out, with 
long specific examples.
Has had problems in last 6 months since previous owner Wrox went down 
the drain.
There are free sample articles available on a weekly basis.

paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:

>To all,
>I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, returning resultsets in tables from Access & SQL Server etc.
>Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any book recommendations ?
>Thanks in advance for all your help
>Paul Hartland
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>  
>

-- 
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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Wed Nov 26 12:46:16 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 12:46:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873063952E4@corp-es00>

Check out the ADH p689. I think this is what you are looking for.
regards,
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: pedro at plex.nl [mailto:pedro at plex.nl]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:06 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] 


Hello group,

i want to make adress-labels for 1 single adress. In our hospital we use
sheets of labels. Is there a way on a form when i have selected one user, to
give the position on the report, where the adress on the label must be
printed.

for example

i have a labelsheet with 6 labels. Can i make command buttons an click on
the third commandbutton, so that the adress is placed on the position of
label3 

"labelsheet"

 cmd1   cmd2   cmd3
 
 cmd4   cmd5   cmd6 


TIA

Pedro Janssen

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 26 12:47:33 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:47:33 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
References: <25154556.1069862126779.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
 <3FC4E8DC.9090901@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <3FC4F545.2040205@shaw.ca>

Oh yes and these sites
http://www.aspfree.com
http:/www.asp101.com
http://www.w3schools.com
http://www.aspwire.com
and maybe here
http://www.databasejournal.com/features/msaccess/

MartyConnelly wrote:

> You might want to look at the project code samples and articles from 
> http://www.asptoday.com
> It has a cost of $100 a year but really good, if just starting out, 
> with long specific examples.
> Has had problems in last 6 months since previous owner Wrox went down 
> the drain.
> There are free sample articles available on a weekly basis.
>
> paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:
>
>> To all,
>> I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, returning 
>> resultsets in tables from Access & SQL Server etc.
>> Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any book 
>> recommendations ?
>> Thanks in advance for all your help
>> Paul Hartland
>> _______________________________________________
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>  
>>
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From pedro at plex.nl  Wed Nov 26 13:43:05 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:43:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates
References: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F29088526@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>
Message-ID: <000b01c3b456$93fe9cb0$f4c581d5@pedro>

Hello Stephen,

i get 0 as result. Something is going wrong.
The fields normally are text fields.
I changed them into Number fields, Double, 3 decimal places.
I added two fields. MidX and MidY.
Made an update query and updated MidX and -Y. with Int([x or
y]/2500+0.5)*2500

What is going wrong?

Pedro Janssen




----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Bond" <stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:21 PM
Subject: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates


> Pedro,
>
> If you want the numbers to the nearest 2500, in the query put 2 derived
fields
>
>    MidX: Int([x]/2500+0.5)*2500
>    MidY: Int([y]/2500+0.5)*2500
>
> Does this answer your question?
>
> Stephen Bond
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From pedro at plex.nl  Wed Nov 26 13:44:20 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:44:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEGPENAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c3b456$952d31a0$f4c581d5@pedro>

Its a Dymo thermal label printer. How will Dymo do this for me?

Pedro



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:30 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] rotate text


> BTW: Dymo will do this for you if its one of the thermal label printers.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of pedro at plex.nl
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:52 PM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
> >
> >
> > Hello Group,
> >
> > i have a report on which adress-labels are shown. 1 label each. I
> > want to use a dynamo label printer. The problem is that the
> > labels of this printer are vertical. Is there a way to rotate
> > text from a textbox on a report.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Pedro Janssen
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From pedro at plex.nl  Wed Nov 26 13:49:42 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:49:42 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
References: <200311261552.hAQFqNEU001348@mailhostC.plex.net>
	<000c01c3b438$b3c73110$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <000d01c3b456$962acb80$f4c581d5@pedro>

The example on the website you mentioned, only works on labels, not on
textboxes.
I did found this rotate text example before on other websites.
Maybe its an option to make a label from the value in the textbox by code.
But i don't know if its possible and who knows how to do it.

Pedro


----- Original Message -----
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] rotate text


> www.lebans.com
>
> William Hindman
> Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <pedro at plex.nl>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:52 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
>
>
> > Hello Group,
> >
> > i have a report on which adress-labels are shown. 1 label each. I want
to
> use a dynamo label printer. The problem is that the labels of this printer
> are vertical. Is there a way to rotate text from a textbox on a report.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Pedro Janssen
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From steve.grant at stgsolutions.com  Wed Nov 26 13:58:57 2003
From: steve.grant at stgsolutions.com (Steve Grant)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:58:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
In-Reply-To: <3FC4F545.2040205@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001501c3b457$bd08c990$9301110a@ql130>

Also:

www.4guysfromrolla.com
www.15seconds.com 
www.coveryourasp.com 

Also go to www.planetsourcecode.com in the ASP/VB Script world. You will
find tons of small asp samples.

You will have to decide on wich technology you want to work/learn with:
Traditional ASP or ASP.Net. 

If you want to develop/test on your machine, you will need IIS (Internet
Information Server) installed on it. IIS comes with WinXP Professional and
Win2000. Be careful, WinXP Home does *NOT* have IIS bundled with it and you
cannot d/l it separately.

If you are using Win 98 or below you will need PWS (Personal Web Server)
from Microsoft. Do *NOT* install PWS on a WinXP machine.

To use ASP.Net you will need to d/l the .NET Framework from Microsoft's site
and you will need IIS. You do not need Visual Studio .Net to code in .Net
but it's easier if you have it because you can see all the references while
you code.

Learning/working with ASP/ASP.Net is really really fun (at least it's been
for me).

Good luck,


Steve


-----Message d'origine-----
De?: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] De la part de MartyConnelly
Envoy??: 26 novembre 2003 13:48
??: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Objet?: Re: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development

Oh yes and these sites
http://www.aspfree.com
http:/www.asp101.com
http://www.w3schools.com
http://www.aspwire.com
and maybe here
http://www.databasejournal.com/features/msaccess/

MartyConnelly wrote:

> You might want to look at the project code samples and articles from 
> http://www.asptoday.com
> It has a cost of $100 a year but really good, if just starting out, 
> with long specific examples.
> Has had problems in last 6 months since previous owner Wrox went down 
> the drain.
> There are free sample articles available on a weekly basis.
>
> paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:
>
>> To all,
>> I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, returning 
>> resultsets in tables from Access & SQL Server etc.
>> Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any book 
>> recommendations ?
>> Thanks in advance for all your help
>> Paul Hartland
>> _______________________________________________
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>  
>>
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 26 14:13:45 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:13:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
References: 	<200311261552.hAQFqNEU001348@mailhostC.plex.net><000c01c3b438$b3c73110$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<000d01c3b456$962acb80$f4c581d5@pedro>
Message-ID: <001001c3b459$cb74e2f0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...don't know what you're looking at Pedro but the control acts just like a
text box ...you can bind it to a record source, etc.

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] rotate text


> The example on the website you mentioned, only works on labels, not on
> textboxes.
> I did found this rotate text example before on other websites.
> Maybe its an option to make a label from the value in the textbox by code.
> But i don't know if its possible and who knows how to do it.
>
> Pedro
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] rotate text
>
>
> > www.lebans.com
> >
> > William Hindman
> > Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> > government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <pedro at plex.nl>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:52 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
> >
> >
> > > Hello Group,
> > >
> > > i have a report on which adress-labels are shown. 1 label each. I want
> to
> > use a dynamo label printer. The problem is that the labels of this
printer
> > are vertical. Is there a way to rotate text from a textbox on a report.
> > >
> > > TIA
> > >
> > > Pedro Janssen
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From tomk at multiline.com.au  Wed Nov 26 14:20:51 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 04:20:51 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
References: <200311261552.hAQFqNEU001348@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <004601c3b45a$cb689170$0300a8c0@print>

> Hello Group,
>
> i have a report on which adress-labels are shown. 1 label each. I want to
use a dynamo label printer. The problem is that the labels of this printer
are vertical. Is there a way to rotate text from a textbox on a report.


I have been using TILT 1.2 for a couple of years to rotate text on a
report... its a great little control and best of all FREE.

Its much better than the commercial control from a company beginning with
F...

Its pretty self explanatory in the sample db included in the download but if
you need any help with it let me know ....

http://home.planet.nl/~cruqsoft/tilt.htm

REgards

Tom Keatley


From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 26 14:33:34 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:33:34 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
In-Reply-To: <000d01c3b456$962acb80$f4c581d5@pedro>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMEHDENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Pedro,
I assumed you wanted to rotate the text for printout only (not the text in
the control). Is this correct?

If so I'll send you some code.

jb

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 1:50 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] rotate text
>
>
> The example on the website you mentioned, only works on labels, not on
> textboxes.
> I did found this rotate text example before on other websites.
> Maybe its an option to make a label from the value in the textbox by code.
> But i don't know if its possible and who knows how to do it.
>
> Pedro
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] rotate text
>
>
> > www.lebans.com
> >
> > William Hindman
> > Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> > government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <pedro at plex.nl>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:52 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
> >
> >
> > > Hello Group,
> > >
> > > i have a report on which adress-labels are shown. 1 label each. I want
> to
> > use a dynamo label printer. The problem is that the labels of
> this printer
> > are vertical. Is there a way to rotate text from a textbox on a report.
> > >
> > > TIA
> > >
> > > Pedro Janssen
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed Nov 26 15:01:41 2003
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:01:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
In-Reply-To: <25154556.1069862126779.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
Message-ID: <JGENLKHHDJPDMMDICAKIGEBCHNAB.kathryn@bassett.net>

You got some good sites, but as for "tools", I highly recommend Dreamweaver. It's not cheap but it's made me so enthusiastic about doing web development, that I've now got 10 sites - and two of them I get paid for. If it sounds interesting to you, go to:
http://www.blueworld.com/blueworld/lists/dreamweaver.html
and subscribe to the Dreamweaver list.
It's like a "family" there, very much like the DBA "family". Lots of professionals, as well as beginners - even a couple of Macromedia people. Everything you want to do has been discussed on the list, so lots of help.

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> paul.hartland at fsmail.net
> Sent: 26 Nov 2003 7:55:AM
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
> 
> 
> To all,
> I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, returning resultsets in 
> tables from Access & SQL Server etc.
> Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any book recommendations ?
> Thanks in advance for all your help
> Paul Hartland
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Wed Nov 26 15:15:49 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 10:15:49 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F298F3B@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Yes, I assumed the X and Y would be numbers.  However, I have changed the table fields to Text(10), re-run the query and it still works OK.  Sending a small MDB (A2K) to you off-line.

Stephen Bond

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pedro Janssen [mailto:pedro at plex.nl]
> Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2003 8:43 a.m.
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates
> 
> 
> Hello Stephen,
> 
> i get 0 as result. Something is going wrong.
> The fields normally are text fields.
> I changed them into Number fields, Double, 3 decimal places.
> I added two fields. MidX and MidY.
> Made an update query and updated MidX and -Y. with Int([x or
> y]/2500+0.5)*2500
> 
> What is going wrong?
> 
> Pedro Janssen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Bond" <stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:21 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates
> 
> 
> > Pedro,
> >
> > If you want the numbers to the nearest 2500, in the query 
> put 2 derived
> fields
> >
> >    MidX: Int([x]/2500+0.5)*2500
> >    MidY: Int([y]/2500+0.5)*2500
> >
> > Does this answer your question?
> >
> > Stephen Bond
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Nov 26 15:18:21 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:18:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275FF@main2.marlow.com>

I probably wouldn't have even noticed, but I was hunting down memory issues
on my server, and realized that service was put on Manual for some
reason....oops! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 7:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....


Thanks for staying on top of that Drew, the searchable archives are a great
asset to this community.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 5:22 PM
> To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
>
>
> Apparently my 'indexer' hasn't been running since late september.  So
> searches on messages since then would have produced nothing.  Fixed the
> problem earlier today, and now the indexing is all caught up.  Oooops.
>
> Drew
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>
>


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Nov 26 15:19:32 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:19:32 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227600@main2.marlow.com>

ASP?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:55 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development


To all,
I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, returning
resultsets in tables from Access & SQL Server etc.
Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any book
recommendations ?
Thanks in advance for all your help
Paul Hartland
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From joeget at vgernet.net  Wed Nov 26 15:36:38 2003
From: joeget at vgernet.net (John Eget)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:36:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] backend application protection
Message-ID: <001d01c3b465$6371ba00$3dc2f63f@Desktop>

I have a split (backend on server and front end on individuals PC) access 2000 application that I would like to protect the backend from having people use the shift key bypass option to open the database in design mode and have individuals play with the backend tables. Does anyone have a solution to this? Would I still be able to do design/work myself if needed?
I found someone in the database tables today just cruising around out of curiosity
Thanks in advance
John

From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 26 15:35:04 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:35:04 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275FF@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMEHEENAA.john@winhaven.net>

I meant to ask you a couple of times about it. I searched on things that I
know we just discussed but I couldn't find them!

But I thought I was just bad at searching :o)

jb

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:18 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
>
>
> I probably wouldn't have even noticed, but I was hunting down
> memory issues
> on my server, and realized that service was put on Manual for some
> reason....oops! <grin>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 7:52 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
>
>
> Thanks for staying on top of that Drew, the searchable archives
> are a great
> asset to this community.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 5:22 PM
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
> >
> >
> > Apparently my 'indexer' hasn't been running since late september.  So
> > searches on messages since then would have produced nothing.  Fixed the
> > problem earlier today, and now the indexing is all caught up.  Oooops.
> >
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Nov 26 15:43:43 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:43:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] backend application protection
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227601@main2.marlow.com>

Use code to disable the shift bypass key. (Help file, look for
AllowShiftBypassKey).  Then just make an AutoExec macro that has the command
Quit.  

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Eget [mailto:joeget at vgernet.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:37 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] backend application protection


I have a split (backend on server and front end on individuals PC) access
2000 application that I would like to protect the backend from having people
use the shift key bypass option to open the database in design mode and have
individuals play with the backend tables. Does anyone have a solution to
this? Would I still be able to do design/work myself if needed?
I found someone in the database tables today just cruising around out of
curiosity
Thanks in advance
John
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Nov 26 15:49:28 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:49:28 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227602@main2.marlow.com>

Hehehe.  I know.  It's a two step process.  My print server has the Archiver
service, which logs into our mailserver (at work here) through a VPN, looks
for new messages (in the normal folder and an archive folder), it then dumps
the new mail into the database, and marks them as archived (by setting a
subject).  That runs every 2 hours.  Sort of.  I have something running for
Mike Mattys that is run through that process, and if it kicks off, it can
take an hour or two before the archiving actually occurs.  The second
process is the indexer (which is what indexes the memo fields that the
messages are stored in.).  That indexer runs on my main server, and runs
every hour, but only indexes 200 messages at a time. (Because it takes about
10 to 20 minutes to index 200 messages, and I didn't want the indexer to hog
the server).

What actually happened was for some reason, I set the index tables to have a
max field size of 100 on the word tables.  Someone posted a word over that
limit, cause it was erroring by saying that the data was too big for the
field.  So yesterday, I set the field limit to 255 on all the index tables,
and kicked off the indexer service again.  Why I set it to 100, I don't
know.  It doesn't really matter, cause Access doesn't take up extra space, I
guess I just thought there would never be a word bigger then 100 characters.
Now that I think about it, I wonder what word caused the problem! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....


I meant to ask you a couple of times about it. I searched on things that I
know we just discussed but I couldn't find them!

But I thought I was just bad at searching :o)

jb

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:18 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
>
>
> I probably wouldn't have even noticed, but I was hunting down
> memory issues
> on my server, and realized that service was put on Manual for some
> reason....oops! <grin>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 7:52 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
>
>
> Thanks for staying on top of that Drew, the searchable archives
> are a great
> asset to this community.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 5:22 PM
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
> >
> >
> > Apparently my 'indexer' hasn't been running since late september.  So
> > searches on messages since then would have produced nothing.  Fixed the
> > problem earlier today, and now the indexing is all caught up.  Oooops.
> >
> > Drew
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 26 16:02:46 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:02:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227602@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEHFENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Sounds like a non-word to me!

If you know what mean.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:49 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
>
>
> Hehehe.  I know.  It's a two step process.  My print server has
> the Archiver
> service, which logs into our mailserver (at work here) through a
> VPN, looks
> for new messages (in the normal folder and an archive folder), it
> then dumps
> the new mail into the database, and marks them as archived (by setting a
> subject).  That runs every 2 hours.  Sort of.  I have something
> running for
> Mike Mattys that is run through that process, and if it kicks off, it can
> take an hour or two before the archiving actually occurs.  The second
> process is the indexer (which is what indexes the memo fields that the
> messages are stored in.).  That indexer runs on my main server, and runs
> every hour, but only indexes 200 messages at a time. (Because it
> takes about
> 10 to 20 minutes to index 200 messages, and I didn't want the
> indexer to hog
> the server).
>
> What actually happened was for some reason, I set the index
> tables to have a
> max field size of 100 on the word tables.  Someone posted a word over that
> limit, cause it was erroring by saying that the data was too big for the
> field.  So yesterday, I set the field limit to 255 on all the
> index tables,
> and kicked off the indexer service again.  Why I set it to 100, I don't
> know.  It doesn't really matter, cause Access doesn't take up
> extra space, I
> guess I just thought there would never be a word bigger then 100
> characters.
> Now that I think about it, I wonder what word caused the problem! <grin>
>
> Drew
>



From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 26 16:04:56 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:04:56 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] backend application protection
In-Reply-To: <001d01c3b465$6371ba00$3dc2f63f@Desktop>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJEEFAFGAA.john@winhaven.net>

John:
What I do is have my standard info screen as the start up form. That form
has two small transparent command buttons (cmdABKT and cmdABKF) on it in a
place no one thinks to double click. These allow me to set the bypass key on
or off as I need to. (The database window is hidden on startup of course)

You could just have a security warning form come up too. Heck, you could
even log the system user name while your at it, maybe even tell them your
logging it. Have some fun, scare the jeebies out of them!
:o)

Here's the code I use, if you find any gaping wholes in it or something let
me know.

John B.

Code Start
--------------------------------------------------
Private Sub cmdABKT_DblClick(intCancel As Integer)
   ' Comments   : turns on bypass key option
   ChangeProperty "AllowBypassKey", dbBoolean, True
End Sub

Private Sub cmdABKF_DblClick(intCancel As Integer)
   ' Comments   : turns off bypass key option
   ChangeProperty "AllowBypassKey", dbBoolean, False
End Sub

Function ChangeProperty(strPropName As String, varPropType As Variant,
varPropValue As Variant) As Integer
   ' Comments   : changes submitted property value
   ' Parameters : strPropName
   '              varPropType
   '              varPropValue -
   ' Returns    : Integer -
   Dim dbs As Database
   Dim prp As Property
   Dim strMsg As String
   Dim varReturn As Variant
   Const conPropNotFoundError As Long = 3270
   Set dbs = CurrentDb
   On Error GoTo Change_Err
   'set property
   dbs.Properties(strPropName) = varPropValue
   'read property
   Set prp = dbs.Properties(strPropName)
   strMsg = prp
   MsgBox strMsg
   ChangeProperty = True
Change_Exit:
   Exit Function
Change_Err:
   If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then  ' Property not found.
      Set prp = dbs.CreateProperty(strPropName, varPropType, varPropValue)
      dbs.Properties.Append prp
      Resume Next
   Else
      ' Unknown error.
      ChangeProperty = False
      Resume Change_Exit
   End If
End Function
--------------------------------------------------
Code End



From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 26 16:15:09 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:15:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] backend application protection
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJEEFAFGAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMEHFENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Oops, I forgot to mention that I also minimize the Access Window so only the
Pop-up form is showing. That's a lot of code to post though so If you're
interested let me know.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:05 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] backend application protection
>
>
> John:
> What I do is have my standard info screen as the start up form. That form
> has two small transparent command buttons (cmdABKT and cmdABKF) on it in a
> place no one thinks to double click. These allow me to set the
> bypass key on
> or off as I need to. (The database window is hidden on startup of course)
>
> You could just have a security warning form come up too. Heck, you could
> even log the system user name while your at it, maybe even tell them your
> logging it. Have some fun, scare the jeebies out of them!
> :o)
>
> Here's the code I use, if you find any gaping wholes in it or
> something let
> me know.
>
> John B.
>
> Code Start
> --------------------------------------------------
> Private Sub cmdABKT_DblClick(intCancel As Integer)
>    ' Comments   : turns on bypass key option
>    ChangeProperty "AllowBypassKey", dbBoolean, True
> End Sub
>
> Private Sub cmdABKF_DblClick(intCancel As Integer)
>    ' Comments   : turns off bypass key option
>    ChangeProperty "AllowBypassKey", dbBoolean, False
> End Sub
>
> Function ChangeProperty(strPropName As String, varPropType As Variant,
> varPropValue As Variant) As Integer
>    ' Comments   : changes submitted property value
>    ' Parameters : strPropName
>    '              varPropType
>    '              varPropValue -
>    ' Returns    : Integer -
>    Dim dbs As Database
>    Dim prp As Property
>    Dim strMsg As String
>    Dim varReturn As Variant
>    Const conPropNotFoundError As Long = 3270
>    Set dbs = CurrentDb
>    On Error GoTo Change_Err
>    'set property
>    dbs.Properties(strPropName) = varPropValue
>    'read property
>    Set prp = dbs.Properties(strPropName)
>    strMsg = prp
>    MsgBox strMsg
>    ChangeProperty = True
> Change_Exit:
>    Exit Function
> Change_Err:
>    If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then  ' Property not found.
>       Set prp = dbs.CreateProperty(strPropName, varPropType, varPropValue)
>       dbs.Properties.Append prp
>       Resume Next
>    Else
>       ' Unknown error.
>       ChangeProperty = False
>       Resume Change_Exit
>    End If
> End Function
> --------------------------------------------------
> Code End
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Nov 26 16:54:33 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:54:33 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227603@main2.marlow.com>

Paul, I have been developing ASP project for quite some time now.  I think I
can narrow down what you REALLY need to know to get started.

First of all, before you dig into web development, you MUST understand how a
web server and web pages work.  It is a whole different ball of wax compared
to an Access FE.  With an Access FE, you create forms and reports, and each
user has a copy (or uses a shared FE) of the front end.  This has several
drawbacks.  First of all, if you have copies of the FE all over, you have to
create an update process to push out new changes.  If you have a shared FE,
then you have to kick everyone out to update the process.  On top of that, a
user can be anywhere, so there can always be issues of where things are
located.  One user may have a share mapped to S, while another has it mapped
to T.  UNC's can handle this, but then there is also the issue of whether
people are able to even get to the locations involved.  On a web server, all
of these issues are moot.  

The way a web server works, is the client opens their browser and requests a
web page.  Let's say they go to http://MyWebsite.com.  The browser does a
few things, one of which is it sends an http request to the server sitting
at whatever mywebsite.com resolves too.  (http is Hyper Text Transfer
Protocol.  HTML is Hyper Text Markup Language.  So, HTTP is the protocol
uses to transport HTML.).  The server at the other end gets an http request
for it's root directory.  Notice the URL doesn't have a specific file (this
is a KEY point to remember).  That is just fine and dandy, because a
webserver can be asked for a page by just the 'folder', since each folder
can have a default document setup.  In most cases it is index.htm or
default.asp, but it can quite frankly be any document you want (or even a
list of documents).  For our example, let's say it's default.asp.  The web
server then reads the default.asp page and runs it through it's ISAPI
filters.  These are filters that cause various things to be done to the HTML
that is going to be sent back.  Two good examples of this are includes and
ASP itself.  Includes are when you mark another file or files to be included
within the document.  So, if you have a header that you want on every page,
instead of putting the HTML for that header on every page, you put the
header in it's own file, and just include it in all of your pages.  The
include ISAPI filter then incorporates that HTML in the outgoing HTML.  You
can also include .asp code, similar to putting code in a module, versus
behind every form/report.  The ASP ISAPI filter is a little more complex.
Instead of just replacing text, it actually 'works' the ASP code on the
page. 

This is the CORE of ASP.  What the end user get's, is just the outgoing
HTML.  They never get the ASP code itself.  ASP can either be passive or
dynamic.  My own terms for the two actions ASP can perform.  Passive is when
the ASP does something that the users can't see. Dynamic is when ASP does
something that the users DO see.  For example.  If the default.asp page was
like this:

<%
dim cnn
dim rs
dim strSQL
set cnn=server.createobject("ADODB.Connection")
set rs=server.createobject("ADODB.Recordset")
cnn.Provider="Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
cnn.Open "E:\MyDB.mdb"
strSQL="SELECT Hit FROM tblHits;"
rs.Open strSQL,cnn,1,3
rs.AddNew
rs.Fields(0).value=1
rs.Update
rs.close
set rs=nothing
cnn.close
set cnn=nothing
%>
<HTML>
Hello
</HTML>

The end user will get a page that says hello, but internally, the ASP page
has added a record to a database, in this case, a simple hit counter.  This
is passive, since the user will always get 'Hello', no matter what they do.
The ASP code is doing work, but it's something the end user doesn't see.

Dynamic ASP pages are where the output the user sees is directly affected by
the ASP code.  To do this, you must either use the = symbol (which is a
shortcut to have the ASP send something out with the resulting HTML stream),
or the response.write procedure.

For example, let's have default.asp be this:

<%
dim strIP
strIP=request.ServerVariables("REMOTE_ADDR")
%>
<HTML>
Your IP Address is: <%=strIP%> <br>
<%
response.write "Have a nice day."
%>
</HTML>

What the user will see is a message that has their IP address, like this:

Your IP Address is: 65.65.125.209
Have a nice day.

We used the equal since to 'insert' something into the normal HTML with ASP,
and then we used response.write to directly output a string into the
outgoing HTML stream.

The last thing to remember when dealing with a web server is that the end
users are getting whatever the web server hands out, the moment they request
it.  Once they get the resulting HTML stream, and their browser displays the
page, there is no longer a connection to the file they requested.  That
means if you are constantly updating asp pages, the end users will just
simply get the 'current' results at the time of their request.  No kicking
everyone out, etc.  Pretty handy.

Three more items to cover. Above was the biggie.  First of the three.  HTML.
HTML is actually pretty simple.  I personally used Front Page when I started
out, to let it do the HTML for me, then after a few months of going back and
forth, I just got the hang of it, and I rarely ever use FP for writing the
HTML anymore.  The two key items to remember with HTML is that everything is
written with tags.  Some tags are stand alone, such as <BR> (which is a line
break), and some tags must have a start and finish (<HTML> and </HTML>, or
an easier example <b> and </b> which is for bolding text).  Tags also can
have properties.  For example, an anchor tag (for hyperlinks) is a.  <a
href="http://wolfwares.com">Click here to go to Wolfwares.com</a>  <a starts
the tag, it has an href property, which is the URL of the site/file the
hyperlink points too, then the tag is closed with the >, and between the
start tag, and the closing tag </a>, there is text, which is what the user
will see as the text of the hyperlink.  The second key item to remember with
HTML is that no matter what format you write the HTML in, what the user sees
in the browser is determine by the TAGS, not by the HTML code.

So if you write:

<HTML>
This is a 
Test
</HTML>

The user sees:
This is a Test

If you write:
<HTML>This is a <br>Test</HTML>

The user sees:
This is a
Test

Second of the three is a BIG difference between Access and ASP.  Access runs
it's code on the users processor.  This is both good and bad.  Bad, because
the end user must have Access (or a run-time installed).  Also, bad because
users on slower machines are going to be delayed longer then users on fast
machines.  Good, because as long as the end users have the correct
software/runtimes, your application should almost be gauranteed to work.
With ASP, if you write standard HTML, it doesn't matter what you have the
ASP code do.  Your ASP code only has to run on the web server.  Your clients
can be running Pentium 4's, with IE, or Mac's with Netscape, and everyone
sees the same results.  A client running a 2.6 gigahertz on a 56k modem is
going to run your application at the same speed (well, pretty much the same
speed) as a client running a 486 66mhz with a 56k modem.  In fact, if your
pages are light enough on the output (little to no graphics, just plain
HTML.....) there isn't going to be much of a difference between a modem user
or a broad band user. Text transfers pretty quickly....though you could have
slow downs if there is just a ton of text being sent (like combo boxes that
have thousands of items in their lists).  The final issue with this part is
client side scripting.  I personally stay away from it like the plague,
unless it's for in house projects where I know everyone is using IE. So try
to make your applications run strictly with ASP, unless absolutely
necessary.

Third of the three.  The real nuts and bolts of ASP.  ASP can be written in
JScript or VBScript.  Quite frankly I have never bothered to use JScript,
since VBScript is practically second nature.  When writting ASP, you enclose
the ASP code with <% and %> (start and end tags for ASP), and then write
away with VBScript.  There are two things to remember/research. ASP is
VBScript with extra objects (Application,
ObjectContext,Request,ASPError,Response,Server,Session). The three you are
going to deal with the most are Request, Response and Server.  Request gives
you access to what you have been 'sent' by the user. It can be used to read
cookies, server variables (which include Usernames, passwords,IP Addresses,
browser types, etc.), and form data. Response is what you use to send data
back to the user (response.write outputs to the HTML stream, redirect can
actually change the URL the end user is receiving, etc.).  Server is the
webserver itself. The two main methods you will probably use are
MapPath(Which let's you map a virtual or actual path to a file) and
CreateObject.  That CreateObject is the big catch with ASP and VBScript.  In
normal VBScript you just call CreateObject.  But with ASP, you must use the
Server Object's CreateObject method to create an object in VBScript.
(Because the object must be created by the webserver).

That's ASP in a nutshell.  The first item I talked about is a little
difficult to figure out from the MSDN, the rest is in the MSDN, but can
still be a little difficult to figure out.  The details on everything (HTML
tags, ASP objects, etc.) are pretty much well explained in the MSDN though.

The last thing you will need to know about ASP pages versus Access FE's is
how to get data FROM the user. (we already discussed sending it to them,
with the response.write method).  I mentioned the request object.  The two
methods of getting data from the user are through forms and querystrings.  A
querystring is what follows a URL (after a ?).  So, if you have a URL like
this: http://MyWebsite.com/default.asp?MyValue=10 , you can retrieve the
value of MyValue by using the request.QueryString method, like this:

<%
response.write request.QueryString("MyValue")
%>

If you have an HTML form, and you POST the data:

<HTML>
<BODY>
<Form Name="MyForm" Method=post action="results.asp">
<input type=text name="MyValue">
<input type=submit>
</form>
</body>
</HTML>

The resulting page will have a textbox, and a submit button.  Pressing the
submit button will send the data within the MyValue textbox to results.asp.
So if results.asp was this:

<%
response.write request.form("MyValue")
%>

The results page will output whatever was in the textbox.

The key difference between a QueryString and a Form is that QueryStrings are
limited by the max length of a URL (which is, I think, 2048
characters...maybe 1024 characters, not sure).  Where as a form is not
limited in the amount of data that can be submitted.  You can also refer to
a request 'variable' by just the request object.  request("MyValue") can be
a value in either a QueryString OR a Form.

Phew, what an email.  This was fun to write though.  Keep in mind that ASP
doesn't directly like DAO, so write your code using ADO.  Feel free to
contact me offlist if you have specific questions.  I may get hammered for
the length of this email, but I think it's pertinent to Access development
on the web!

Drew



-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:55 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development


To all,
I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, returning
resultsets in tables from Access & SQL Server etc.
Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any book
recommendations ?
Thanks in advance for all your help
Paul Hartland
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 26 19:25:36 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:25:36 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227603@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMECEDAAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Drew:

Have you ever thought about writing a book on the subject...You have
finished chapter one.

...I teasing... :-)

Very good introductory
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 2:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development


Paul, I have been developing ASP project for quite some time now.  I think I
can narrow down what you REALLY need to know to get started.

First of all, before you dig into web development, you MUST understand how a
web server and web pages work.  It is a whole different ball of wax compared
to an Access FE.  With an Access FE, you create forms and reports, and each
user has a copy (or uses a shared FE) of the front end.  This has several
drawbacks.  First of all, if you have copies of the FE all over, you have to
create an update process to push out new changes.  If you have a shared FE,
then you have to kick everyone out to update the process.  On top of that, a
user can be anywhere, so there can always be issues of where things are
located.  One user may have a share mapped to S, while another has it mapped
to T.  UNC's can handle this, but then there is also the issue of whether
people are able to even get to the locations involved.  On a web server, all
of these issues are moot.

The way a web server works, is the client opens their browser and requests a
web page.  Let's say they go to http://MyWebsite.com.  The browser does a
few things, one of which is it sends an http request to the server sitting
at whatever mywebsite.com resolves too.  (http is Hyper Text Transfer
Protocol.  HTML is Hyper Text Markup Language.  So, HTTP is the protocol
uses to transport HTML.).  The server at the other end gets an http request
for it's root directory.  Notice the URL doesn't have a specific file (this
is a KEY point to remember).  That is just fine and dandy, because a
webserver can be asked for a page by just the 'folder', since each folder
can have a default document setup.  In most cases it is index.htm or
default.asp, but it can quite frankly be any document you want (or even a
list of documents).  For our example, let's say it's default.asp.  The web
server then reads the default.asp page and runs it through it's ISAPI
filters.  These are filters that cause various things to be done to the HTML
that is going to be sent back.  Two good examples of this are includes and
ASP itself.  Includes are when you mark another file or files to be included
within the document.  So, if you have a header that you want on every page,
instead of putting the HTML for that header on every page, you put the
header in it's own file, and just include it in all of your pages.  The
include ISAPI filter then incorporates that HTML in the outgoing HTML.  You
can also include .asp code, similar to putting code in a module, versus
behind every form/report.  The ASP ISAPI filter is a little more complex.
Instead of just replacing text, it actually 'works' the ASP code on the
page.

This is the CORE of ASP.  What the end user get's, is just the outgoing
HTML.  They never get the ASP code itself.  ASP can either be passive or
dynamic.  My own terms for the two actions ASP can perform.  Passive is when
the ASP does something that the users can't see. Dynamic is when ASP does
something that the users DO see.  For example.  If the default.asp page was
like this:

<%
dim cnn
dim rs
dim strSQL
set cnn=server.createobject("ADODB.Connection")
set rs=server.createobject("ADODB.Recordset")
cnn.Provider="Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
cnn.Open "E:\MyDB.mdb"
strSQL="SELECT Hit FROM tblHits;"
rs.Open strSQL,cnn,1,3
rs.AddNew
rs.Fields(0).value=1
rs.Update
rs.close
set rs=nothing
cnn.close
set cnn=nothing
%>
<HTML>
Hello
</HTML>

The end user will get a page that says hello, but internally, the ASP page
has added a record to a database, in this case, a simple hit counter.  This
is passive, since the user will always get 'Hello', no matter what they do.
The ASP code is doing work, but it's something the end user doesn't see.

Dynamic ASP pages are where the output the user sees is directly affected by
the ASP code.  To do this, you must either use the = symbol (which is a
shortcut to have the ASP send something out with the resulting HTML stream),
or the response.write procedure.

For example, let's have default.asp be this:

<%
dim strIP
strIP=request.ServerVariables("REMOTE_ADDR")
%>
<HTML>
Your IP Address is: <%=strIP%> <br>
<%
response.write "Have a nice day."
%>
</HTML>

What the user will see is a message that has their IP address, like this:

Your IP Address is: 65.65.125.209
Have a nice day.

We used the equal since to 'insert' something into the normal HTML with ASP,
and then we used response.write to directly output a string into the
outgoing HTML stream.

The last thing to remember when dealing with a web server is that the end
users are getting whatever the web server hands out, the moment they request
it.  Once they get the resulting HTML stream, and their browser displays the
page, there is no longer a connection to the file they requested.  That
means if you are constantly updating asp pages, the end users will just
simply get the 'current' results at the time of their request.  No kicking
everyone out, etc.  Pretty handy.

Three more items to cover. Above was the biggie.  First of the three.  HTML.
HTML is actually pretty simple.  I personally used Front Page when I started
out, to let it do the HTML for me, then after a few months of going back and
forth, I just got the hang of it, and I rarely ever use FP for writing the
HTML anymore.  The two key items to remember with HTML is that everything is
written with tags.  Some tags are stand alone, such as <BR> (which is a line
break), and some tags must have a start and finish (<HTML> and </HTML>, or
an easier example <b> and </b> which is for bolding text).  Tags also can
have properties.  For example, an anchor tag (for hyperlinks) is a.  <a
href="http://wolfwares.com">Click here to go to Wolfwares.com</a>  <a starts
the tag, it has an href property, which is the URL of the site/file the
hyperlink points too, then the tag is closed with the >, and between the
start tag, and the closing tag </a>, there is text, which is what the user
will see as the text of the hyperlink.  The second key item to remember with
HTML is that no matter what format you write the HTML in, what the user sees
in the browser is determine by the TAGS, not by the HTML code.

So if you write:

<HTML>
This is a
Test
</HTML>

The user sees:
This is a Test

If you write:
<HTML>This is a <br>Test</HTML>

The user sees:
This is a
Test

Second of the three is a BIG difference between Access and ASP.  Access runs
it's code on the users processor.  This is both good and bad.  Bad, because
the end user must have Access (or a run-time installed).  Also, bad because
users on slower machines are going to be delayed longer then users on fast
machines.  Good, because as long as the end users have the correct
software/runtimes, your application should almost be gauranteed to work.
With ASP, if you write standard HTML, it doesn't matter what you have the
ASP code do.  Your ASP code only has to run on the web server.  Your clients
can be running Pentium 4's, with IE, or Mac's with Netscape, and everyone
sees the same results.  A client running a 2.6 gigahertz on a 56k modem is
going to run your application at the same speed (well, pretty much the same
speed) as a client running a 486 66mhz with a 56k modem.  In fact, if your
pages are light enough on the output (little to no graphics, just plain
HTML.....) there isn't going to be much of a difference between a modem user
or a broad band user. Text transfers pretty quickly....though you could have
slow downs if there is just a ton of text being sent (like combo boxes that
have thousands of items in their lists).  The final issue with this part is
client side scripting.  I personally stay away from it like the plague,
unless it's for in house projects where I know everyone is using IE. So try
to make your applications run strictly with ASP, unless absolutely
necessary.

Third of the three.  The real nuts and bolts of ASP.  ASP can be written in
JScript or VBScript.  Quite frankly I have never bothered to use JScript,
since VBScript is practically second nature.  When writting ASP, you enclose
the ASP code with <% and %> (start and end tags for ASP), and then write
away with VBScript.  There are two things to remember/research. ASP is
VBScript with extra objects (Application,
ObjectContext,Request,ASPError,Response,Server,Session). The three you are
going to deal with the most are Request, Response and Server.  Request gives
you access to what you have been 'sent' by the user. It can be used to read
cookies, server variables (which include Usernames, passwords,IP Addresses,
browser types, etc.), and form data. Response is what you use to send data
back to the user (response.write outputs to the HTML stream, redirect can
actually change the URL the end user is receiving, etc.).  Server is the
webserver itself. The two main methods you will probably use are
MapPath(Which let's you map a virtual or actual path to a file) and
CreateObject.  That CreateObject is the big catch with ASP and VBScript.  In
normal VBScript you just call CreateObject.  But with ASP, you must use the
Server Object's CreateObject method to create an object in VBScript.
(Because the object must be created by the webserver).

That's ASP in a nutshell.  The first item I talked about is a little
difficult to figure out from the MSDN, the rest is in the MSDN, but can
still be a little difficult to figure out.  The details on everything (HTML
tags, ASP objects, etc.) are pretty much well explained in the MSDN though.

The last thing you will need to know about ASP pages versus Access FE's is
how to get data FROM the user. (we already discussed sending it to them,
with the response.write method).  I mentioned the request object.  The two
methods of getting data from the user are through forms and querystrings.  A
querystring is what follows a URL (after a ?).  So, if you have a URL like
this: http://MyWebsite.com/default.asp?MyValue=10 , you can retrieve the
value of MyValue by using the request.QueryString method, like this:

<%
response.write request.QueryString("MyValue")
%>

If you have an HTML form, and you POST the data:

<HTML>
<BODY>
<Form Name="MyForm" Method=post action="results.asp">
<input type=text name="MyValue">
<input type=submit>
</form>
</body>
</HTML>

The resulting page will have a textbox, and a submit button.  Pressing the
submit button will send the data within the MyValue textbox to results.asp.
So if results.asp was this:

<%
response.write request.form("MyValue")
%>

The results page will output whatever was in the textbox.

The key difference between a QueryString and a Form is that QueryStrings are
limited by the max length of a URL (which is, I think, 2048
characters...maybe 1024 characters, not sure).  Where as a form is not
limited in the amount of data that can be submitted.  You can also refer to
a request 'variable' by just the request object.  request("MyValue") can be
a value in either a QueryString OR a Form.

Phew, what an email.  This was fun to write though.  Keep in mind that ASP
doesn't directly like DAO, so write your code using ADO.  Feel free to
contact me offlist if you have specific questions.  I may get hammered for
the length of this email, but I think it's pertinent to Access development
on the web!

Drew



-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:55 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development


To all,
I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, returning
resultsets in tables from Access & SQL Server etc.
Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any book
recommendations ?
Thanks in advance for all your help
Paul Hartland
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From connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au  Wed Nov 26 20:22:15 2003
From: connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au (connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 13:22:15 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] backend application protection
Message-ID: <OF1CD571DA.07F24FB8-ONCA256DEB.000CC8C5@agric.nsw.gov.au>

John,
We use an application at our place of business written by one John Colby 
(list frequenter)
It allows us to protect the backend from users but also open with bypass 
when necessary.

If John Colby is watching maybe he can enlighten you as to the workings of 
or how to obtain same.

Connie Kamrowski

Analyst/Programmer
Information Technology
NSW Agriculture
Orange NSW 
Australia 

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 26 20:58:35 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:58:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] backend application protection
References: <OF1CD571DA.07F24FB8-ONCA256DEB.000CC8C5@agric.nsw.gov.au>
Message-ID: <000401c3b492$594ab900$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...lol ...JC ..."list frequenter" ...heck Connie, JC and Lembit (with a few
others) invented the current version of AccessD :)

www.colbyconsulting.com

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

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From: <connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] backend application protection


> John,
> We use an application at our place of business written by one John Colby
> (list frequenter)
> It allows us to protect the backend from users but also open with bypass
> when necessary.
>
> If John Colby is watching maybe he can enlighten you as to the workings of
> or how to obtain same.
>
> Connie Kamrowski
>
> Analyst/Programmer
> Information Technology
> NSW Agriculture
> Orange NSW
> Australia
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 27 02:34:51 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 03:34:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] backend application protection
In-Reply-To: <OF1CD571DA.07F24FB8-ONCA256DEB.000CC8C5@agric.nsw.gov.au>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAELMFNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

The program to which Connie refers is called C2DbProperties.  It can be
found on my web site.  It is a standalone application which allows you to
set the database properties of any mda/b/e from outside of that mda/b/e.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] backend application protection


John,
We use an application at our place of business written by one John Colby
(list frequenter)
It allows us to protect the backend from users but also open with bypass
when necessary.

If John Colby is watching maybe he can enlighten you as to the workings of
or how to obtain same.

Connie Kamrowski

Analyst/Programmer
Information Technology
NSW Agriculture
Orange NSW
Australia

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Nov 27 04:48:59 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:48:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Connect Access to Database of Windows Media Player 9
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF4E@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Has anyone ever tried (succesfully) to link Access to the Windows Media
Player Database?
If this is evenposible? 
For read and write?
 
I'm putting my whole CD/Vinyl collection on pc and want to print labels
and lists for storage purposes so if I'm looking for the physical media
I know where to search (Rack/Box).
Adding some barcode labels to each media would be a thing too...
 
But I still want to use WMP9 as the main database.
 
Greetz
 

 

Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder 

www.ithelps.be/jonathan

 

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Nov 27 05:12:25 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:12:25 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
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No Way you're going to "get hammered". The mods may take a (friendly) stick
to you sometimes when you go off on one about beer, traffic or whatever but
rest assured we hugely appreciate the efforts you make to help people on
this list. And I second Jim's call - Write a book, or at least a series of
aticles for Many-To-Many. Susan's tking of another issue soon so this would
be a terrific subject.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 26 November 2003 22:55
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
> 
> 
> Paul, I have been developing ASP project for quite some time 
> now.  I think I can narrow down what you REALLY need to know 
> to get started.
> 
> First of all, before you dig into web development, you MUST 
> understand how a web server and web pages work.  It is a 
> whole different ball of wax compared to an Access FE.  With 
> an Access FE, you create forms and reports, and each user has 
> a copy (or uses a shared FE) of the front end.  This has 
> several drawbacks.  First of all, if you have copies of the 
> FE all over, you have to create an update process to push out 
> new changes.  If you have a shared FE, then you have to kick 
> everyone out to update the process.  On top of that, a user 
> can be anywhere, so there can always be issues of where 
> things are located.  One user may have a share mapped to S, 
> while another has it mapped to T.  UNC's can handle this, but 
> then there is also the issue of whether people are able to 
> even get to the locations involved.  On a web server, all of 
> these issues are moot.  
> 
> The way a web server works, is the client opens their browser 
> and requests a web page.  Let's say they go to 
> http://MyWebsite.com.  The browser does a few things, one of 
> which is it sends an http request to the server sitting at 
> whatever mywebsite.com resolves too.  (http is Hyper Text 
> Transfer Protocol.  HTML is Hyper Text Markup Language.  So, 
> HTTP is the protocol uses to transport HTML.).  The server at 
> the other end gets an http request for it's root directory.  
> Notice the URL doesn't have a specific file (this is a KEY 
> point to remember).  That is just fine and dandy, because a 
> webserver can be asked for a page by just the 'folder', since 
> each folder can have a default document setup.  In most cases 
> it is index.htm or default.asp, but it can quite frankly be 
> any document you want (or even a list of documents).  For our 
> example, let's say it's default.asp.  The web server then 
> reads the default.asp page and runs it through it's ISAPI 
> filters.  These are filters that cause various things to be 
> done to the HTML that is going to be sent back.  Two good 
> examples of this are includes and ASP itself.  Includes are 
> when you mark another file or files to be included within the 
> document.  So, if you have a header that you want on every 
> page, instead of putting the HTML for that header on every 
> page, you put the header in it's own file, and just include 
> it in all of your pages.  The include ISAPI filter then 
> incorporates that HTML in the outgoing HTML.  You can also 
> include .asp code, similar to putting code in a module, 
> versus behind every form/report.  The ASP ISAPI filter is a 
> little more complex. Instead of just replacing text, it 
> actually 'works' the ASP code on the page. 
> 
> This is the CORE of ASP.  What the end user get's, is just 
> the outgoing HTML.  They never get the ASP code itself.  ASP 
> can either be passive or dynamic.  My own terms for the two 
> actions ASP can perform.  Passive is when the ASP does 
> something that the users can't see. Dynamic is when ASP does 
> something that the users DO see.  For example.  If the 
> default.asp page was like this:
> 
> <%
> dim cnn
> dim rs
> dim strSQL
> set cnn=server.createobject("ADODB.Connection")
> set rs=server.createobject("ADODB.Recordset")
> cnn.Provider="Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
> cnn.Open "E:\MyDB.mdb"
> strSQL="SELECT Hit FROM tblHits;"
> rs.Open strSQL,cnn,1,3
> rs.AddNew
> rs.Fields(0).value=1
> rs.Update
> rs.close
> set rs=nothing
> cnn.close
> set cnn=nothing
> %>
> <HTML>
> Hello
> </HTML>
> 
> The end user will get a page that says hello, but internally, 
> the ASP page has added a record to a database, in this case, 
> a simple hit counter.  This is passive, since the user will 
> always get 'Hello', no matter what they do. The ASP code is 
> doing work, but it's something the end user doesn't see.
> 
> Dynamic ASP pages are where the output the user sees is 
> directly affected by the ASP code.  To do this, you must 
> either use the = symbol (which is a shortcut to have the ASP 
> send something out with the resulting HTML stream), or the 
> response.write procedure.
> 
> For example, let's have default.asp be this:
> 
> <%
> dim strIP
> strIP=request.ServerVariables("REMOTE_ADDR")
> %>
> <HTML>
> Your IP Address is: <%=strIP%> <br>
> <%
> response.write "Have a nice day."
> %>
> </HTML>
> 
> What the user will see is a message that has their IP 
> address, like this:
> 
> Your IP Address is: 65.65.125.209
> Have a nice day.
> 
> We used the equal since to 'insert' something into the normal 
> HTML with ASP, and then we used response.write to directly 
> output a string into the outgoing HTML stream.
> 
> The last thing to remember when dealing with a web server is 
> that the end users are getting whatever the web server hands 
> out, the moment they request it.  Once they get the resulting 
> HTML stream, and their browser displays the page, there is no 
> longer a connection to the file they requested.  That means 
> if you are constantly updating asp pages, the end users will 
> just simply get the 'current' results at the time of their 
> request.  No kicking everyone out, etc.  Pretty handy.
> 
> Three more items to cover. Above was the biggie.  First of 
> the three.  HTML. HTML is actually pretty simple.  I 
> personally used Front Page when I started out, to let it do 
> the HTML for me, then after a few months of going back and 
> forth, I just got the hang of it, and I rarely ever use FP 
> for writing the HTML anymore.  The two key items to remember 
> with HTML is that everything is written with tags.  Some tags 
> are stand alone, such as <BR> (which is a line break), and 
> some tags must have a start and finish (<HTML> and </HTML>, 
> or an easier example <b> and </b> which is for bolding text). 
>  Tags also can have properties.  For example, an anchor tag 
> (for hyperlinks) is a.  <a href="http://wolfwares.com">Click 
> here to go to Wolfwares.com</a>  <a starts the tag, it has an 
> href property, which is the URL of the site/file the 
> hyperlink points too, then the tag is closed with the >, and 
> between the start tag, and the closing tag </a>, there is 
> text, which is what the user will see as the text of the 
> hyperlink.  The second key item to remember with HTML is that 
> no matter what format you write the HTML in, what the user 
> sees in the browser is determine by the TAGS, not by the HTML code.
> 
> So if you write:
> 
> <HTML>
> This is a 
> Test
> </HTML>
> 
> The user sees:
> This is a Test
> 
> If you write:
> <HTML>This is a <br>Test</HTML>
> 
> The user sees:
> This is a
> Test
> 
> Second of the three is a BIG difference between Access and 
> ASP.  Access runs it's code on the users processor.  This is 
> both good and bad.  Bad, because the end user must have 
> Access (or a run-time installed).  Also, bad because users on 
> slower machines are going to be delayed longer then users on 
> fast machines.  Good, because as long as the end users have 
> the correct software/runtimes, your application should almost 
> be gauranteed to work. With ASP, if you write standard HTML, 
> it doesn't matter what you have the ASP code do.  Your ASP 
> code only has to run on the web server.  Your clients can be 
> running Pentium 4's, with IE, or Mac's with Netscape, and 
> everyone sees the same results.  A client running a 2.6 
> gigahertz on a 56k modem is going to run your application at 
> the same speed (well, pretty much the same
> speed) as a client running a 486 66mhz with a 56k modem.  In 
> fact, if your pages are light enough on the output (little to 
> no graphics, just plain
> HTML.....) there isn't going to be much of a difference 
> between a modem user or a broad band user. Text transfers 
> pretty quickly....though you could have slow downs if there 
> is just a ton of text being sent (like combo boxes that have 
> thousands of items in their lists).  The final issue with 
> this part is client side scripting.  I personally stay away 
> from it like the plague, unless it's for in house projects 
> where I know everyone is using IE. So try to make your 
> applications run strictly with ASP, unless absolutely necessary.
> 
> Third of the three.  The real nuts and bolts of ASP.  ASP can 
> be written in JScript or VBScript.  Quite frankly I have 
> never bothered to use JScript, since VBScript is practically 
> second nature.  When writting ASP, you enclose the ASP code 
> with <% and %> (start and end tags for ASP), and then write 
> away with VBScript.  There are two things to 
> remember/research. ASP is VBScript with extra objects 
> (Application, 
> ObjectContext,Request,ASPError,Response,Server,Session). The 
> three you are going to deal with the most are Request, 
> Response and Server.  Request gives you access to what you 
> have been 'sent' by the user. It can be used to read cookies, 
> server variables (which include Usernames, passwords,IP 
> Addresses, browser types, etc.), and form data. Response is 
> what you use to send data back to the user (response.write 
> outputs to the HTML stream, redirect can actually change the 
> URL the end user is receiving, etc.).  Server is the 
> webserver itself. The two main methods you will probably use 
> are MapPath(Which let's you map a virtual or actual path to a 
> file) and CreateObject.  That CreateObject is the big catch 
> with ASP and VBScript.  In normal VBScript you just call 
> CreateObject.  But with ASP, you must use the Server Object's 
> CreateObject method to create an object in VBScript. (Because 
> the object must be created by the webserver).
> 
> That's ASP in a nutshell.  The first item I talked about is a 
> little difficult to figure out from the MSDN, the rest is in 
> the MSDN, but can still be a little difficult to figure out.  
> The details on everything (HTML tags, ASP objects, etc.) are 
> pretty much well explained in the MSDN though.
> 
> The last thing you will need to know about ASP pages versus 
> Access FE's is how to get data FROM the user. (we already 
> discussed sending it to them, with the response.write 
> method).  I mentioned the request object.  The two methods of 
> getting data from the user are through forms and 
> querystrings.  A querystring is what follows a URL (after a 
> ?).  So, if you have a URL like
> this: http://MyWebsite.com/default.asp?MyValue=10 , you can 
> retrieve the value of MyValue by using the 
> request.QueryString method, like this:
> 
> <%
> response.write request.QueryString("MyValue")
> %>
> 
> If you have an HTML form, and you POST the data:
> 
> <HTML>
> <BODY>
> <Form Name="MyForm" Method=post action="results.asp">
> <input type=text name="MyValue">
> <input type=submit>
> </form>
> </body>
> </HTML>
> 
> The resulting page will have a textbox, and a submit button.  
> Pressing the submit button will send the data within the 
> MyValue textbox to results.asp. So if results.asp was this:
> 
> <%
> response.write request.form("MyValue")
> %>
> 
> The results page will output whatever was in the textbox.
> 
> The key difference between a QueryString and a Form is that 
> QueryStrings are limited by the max length of a URL (which 
> is, I think, 2048 characters...maybe 1024 characters, not 
> sure).  Where as a form is not limited in the amount of data 
> that can be submitted.  You can also refer to a request 
> 'variable' by just the request object.  request("MyValue") 
> can be a value in either a QueryString OR a Form.
> 
> Phew, what an email.  This was fun to write though.  Keep in 
> mind that ASP doesn't directly like DAO, so write your code 
> using ADO.  Feel free to contact me offlist if you have 
> specific questions.  I may get hammered for the length of 
> this email, but I think it's pertinent to Access development 
> on the web!
> 
> Drew
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:55 AM
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
> 
> 
> To all,
> I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, 
> returning resultsets in tables from Access & SQL Server etc. 
> Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any 
> book recommendations ? Thanks in advance for all your help 
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From sgoodhall at comcast.net  Thu Nov 27 09:42:26 2003
From: sgoodhall at comcast.net (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 10:42:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] backend application protection
In-Reply-To: <001d01c3b465$6371ba00$3dc2f63f@Desktop>
Message-ID: <GOEIJOAPGAMPLIOCMEPMOENICNAA.sgoodhall@comcast.net>

You can lock up the back end using Access Security.  It won't stop your user
from opening the database, but it will stop them from changing anything.
There is a sample application on my web site, www.goodhall.info/steve.
Click on the "Useful Software" link and download the first item.  All of the
usual disclaimers apply.

Regards,

Steve Goodhall


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:37 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] backend application protection


I have a split (backend on server and front end on individuals PC) access
2000 application that I would like to protect the backend from having people
use the shift key bypass option to open the database in design mode and have
individuals play with the backend tables. Does anyone have a solution to
this? Would I still be able to do design/work myself if needed?
I found someone in the database tables today just cruising around out of
curiosity
Thanks in advance
John
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 27 10:08:05 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 10:08:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Accessing Oracle BLOB via MS Access
Message-ID: <BAY2-F96KZmcK8r6beU00015c60@hotmail.com>

Hi Jack,

I also work with Oracle data in Access but have been able to work around the 
field problem you ask about though luck as I haven't needed any of those 
fields in my apps. I am wondering if a pass-through query with an instr or 
the like to reformat the data on teh Oracle side before it get's sent over 
to the Access side of things would work? In a Pass Trhough query you are 
using Oracle SQL and you should be able to access those fields that way and 
if you can format them into regular string type fields through something 
like the instring function (like a left or a mid function in Access) it may 
do the job for you.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Accessing Oracle BLOB via MS Access
>Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:40:02 -0500
>
>I'm hoping someone has an answer or advice on this. We have Oracle 9i with 
>a
>table containing Blob/Clob data types. We also do a lot of data base 
>queries
>against Oracle via Access 97 and Access 2000. (ODBC ADO).
>
>A new application has the blob/clob. Attempting to access these fields 
>gives
>an error in Access. Does anyone have a technique or samples of how to 
>access
>this Oracle data type with Access 97 or 2000?
>
>TIA.
>Jack
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From lytlenj at juno.com  Thu Nov 27 10:45:17 2003
From: lytlenj at juno.com (Nancy J Lytle)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:45:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Same report 2 different summary cases
Message-ID: <20031127.114517.3272.1.lytlenj@juno.com>

I have a report that is driving me crazy and I know it is something easy
I am just not getting.

The report is a summary of purchase requests that have been processed.
The information is summarized by FY; ProgramCode; Category and
TransactionCode.
Each programCode has up to 3 categories and  many transactioncodes.  Each
transactioncode in a category in a program can have more than one
purchase request.

The problem is in summarizing when there is more than one purchase order
within a single transactioncode within a single category within a
programcode within a single year.


FY 1
    Program 1
        Category 1
            Transaction 1 - each trans has initial funding plus changes
in funding that equal the current authorization
                Purchase Request1 
                Purchase Request2

            Transaction 2
                PurchaseRequest3

Category Summary:   CurrentAuthorization: Initial Authorization +
Changes. The problem is that if the Transaction has more than one PR it
adds a Current Authorization amount for each PR there is, which means in
this case the Current Authorization would be twice what it should be.

Program 2
        Category 1
            Transaction 1
                Purchase Request1
                
            Transaction 2
                PurchaseRequest1

   
Sum for Category - this is the problem area, I can get it work or either
multiple PR's per Transaction or  one PR per Transaction but not for both
situations.

Actually I am doing sums for Transaction, Category and Program, but it is
only the Category one I am having problems with at this point

I would like to use something like the below code as the Control Source
for the Category Summary to account for the two different situations but
can't seem to get it to work, the error message says missing operator:

IIf((Count(qryCSPEL_rptELTEST.PR_PANumber) AS CountOfPR_PANumber FROM
qryCSPEL_rptELTEST GROUP BY qryCSPEL_rptELTEST.Transaction,
qryCSPEL_rptELTEST.Category, qryCSPEL_rptELTEST.ProgramCode) =1),
[CurrentAuth],Sum([CurrentAuth]))

Any ideas about the code or how else I could approach the problem

TIA,
Nancy

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Nov 27 10:55:31 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:55:31 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Same report 2 different summary cases
In-Reply-To: <20031127.114517.3272.1.lytlenj@juno.com>
Message-ID: <003801c3b507$44e913b0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Nancy
I'm sure there'll be other ideas but could you take the Current
Authorisation out of the query, leaving the query to list all the purchase
requests, and put it into the report as an unbound calculated field with a
Dsum?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Nancy J Lytle
> Sent: 27 November 2003 16:45
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Same report 2 different summary cases
> 
> 
> I have a report that is driving me crazy and I know it is 
> something easy I am just not getting.
> 
> The report is a summary of purchase requests that have been 
> processed. The information is summarized by FY; ProgramCode; 
> Category and TransactionCode. Each programCode has up to 3 
> categories and  many transactioncodes.  Each transactioncode 
> in a category in a program can have more than one purchase request.
> 
> The problem is in summarizing when there is more than one 
> purchase order within a single transactioncode within a 
> single category within a programcode within a single year.
> 
> 
> FY 1
>     Program 1
>         Category 1
>             Transaction 1 - each trans has initial funding 
> plus changes in funding that equal the current authorization
>                 Purchase Request1 
>                 Purchase Request2
> 
>             Transaction 2
>                 PurchaseRequest3
> 
> Category Summary:   CurrentAuthorization: Initial Authorization +
> Changes. The problem is that if the Transaction has more than 
> one PR it adds a Current Authorization amount for each PR 
> there is, which means in this case the Current Authorization 
> would be twice what it should be.
> 
> Program 2
>         Category 1
>             Transaction 1
>                 Purchase Request1
>                 
>             Transaction 2
>                 PurchaseRequest1
> 
>    
> Sum for Category - this is the problem area, I can get it 
> work or either multiple PR's per Transaction or  one PR per 
> Transaction but not for both situations.
> 
> Actually I am doing sums for Transaction, Category and 
> Program, but it is only the Category one I am having problems 
> with at this point
> 
> I would like to use something like the below code as the 
> Control Source for the Category Summary to account for the 
> two different situations but can't seem to get it to work, 
> the error message says missing operator:
> 
> IIf((Count(qryCSPEL_rptELTEST.PR_PANumber) AS 
> CountOfPR_PANumber FROM qryCSPEL_rptELTEST GROUP BY 
> qryCSPEL_rptELTEST.Transaction, qryCSPEL_rptELTEST.Category, 
> qryCSPEL_rptELTEST.ProgramCode) =1),
> [CurrentAuth],Sum([CurrentAuth]))
> 
> Any ideas about the code or how else I could approach the problem
> 
> TIA,
> Nancy
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 27 11:19:34 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:19:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIENBFNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Have ya ever... wished you had a place to store all the registry tweaks you
run across?  I have run across so many things where they tell you to go to
the registry and set / clear / delete some entry.  I can NEVER remember
where I found the tweak, but I always remember I was supposed to do some
unnamed thing to make something happen.

It all started with securing IIS.  An article I ran across gives a handful
of registry tweaks to tighten up security.  Of course I can use regedit but
how blas?

Well I just whipped out a little database to hold the key / value name /
value and a memo about the registry key, as well as a parent "topic" table
that lets me organize the entries by a topic of my choosing, complete with
memo.  At the moment you have to type the registry key / value name / value
in, but once you do you can press a button and the entry is created in the
registry.  It uses a registry class for anyone interested in how to read /
write the registry (or doesn't want to write their own) courtesy of a VB
Techniques article written by Eric Smith on 3/29/2000.  I also use a few
withevent classes for those of you who want to see how I use Withevents to
run the basic forms.

I may (probably will) eventually write code to back up an existing key
before modification, read registry chunks into the table etc.  Not there
yet.

I think it would be cool to organize a huge "registry tweak" database where
anyone interested gets this database and enters their favorite tweak, then
donates their tweaks to a pool.  I can take care of merging everyone's
tweaks into a single database and get the resulting pool up on my web site.

Anyone interested?  Anyone know of a public domain db that I can get tweaks
already in a db?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com



From john at winhaven.net  Thu Nov 27 11:52:57 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:52:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIENBFNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMEHKENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi John,
I actually just keep Reg Tweaks it in my "Code and Tips DB" - which is
really lame compared to what you're doing here. I keep everything in there
now just because otherwise I have to search too many places to find
something that doesn't fit into a category just right. Basically code,
tweaks, bugs, articles, and valuable software (for things that I don't keep
loaded but use for one thing)

Each is broken down into Category, General Area of Application, Description,
Item Details (Code, Article Text, etc), Who and where it came from, The date
I added it, what product it is used in and when it was last modified.

It would be nice to be able to have a Code and Tips DB that was integrated
but still had cool functionality like what you propose.

We had at one time started a CodeDB list, I haven't seen anything on that
list for months so I guess its dead in the water.

In any case, I would definitely contribute any Reg tweaks I have to your DB.

John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:20 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
>
>
> Have ya ever... wished you had a place to store all the registry
> tweaks you
> run across?  I have run across so many things where they tell you to go to
> the registry and set / clear / delete some entry.  I can NEVER remember
> where I found the tweak, but I always remember I was supposed to do some
> unnamed thing to make something happen.
>
> It all started with securing IIS.  An article I ran across gives a handful
> of registry tweaks to tighten up security.  Of course I can use
> regedit but
> how blas?
>
> Well I just whipped out a little database to hold the key / value name /
> value and a memo about the registry key, as well as a parent "topic" table
> that lets me organize the entries by a topic of my choosing, complete with
> memo.  At the moment you have to type the registry key / value
> name / value
> in, but once you do you can press a button and the entry is created in the
> registry.  It uses a registry class for anyone interested in how to read /
> write the registry (or doesn't want to write their own) courtesy of a VB
> Techniques article written by Eric Smith on 3/29/2000.  I also use a few
> withevent classes for those of you who want to see how I use Withevents to
> run the basic forms.
>
> I may (probably will) eventually write code to back up an existing key
> before modification, read registry chunks into the table etc.  Not there
> yet.
>
> I think it would be cool to organize a huge "registry tweak"
> database where
> anyone interested gets this database and enters their favorite tweak, then
> donates their tweaks to a pool.  I can take care of merging everyone's
> tweaks into a single database and get the resulting pool up on my
> web site.
>
> Anyone interested?  Anyone know of a public domain db that I can
> get tweaks
> already in a db?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
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From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Nov 27 17:06:50 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 00:06:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
References: 	<200311261552.hAQFqNEU001348@mailhostC.plex.net><000c01c3b438$b3c73110$6001a8c0@dejpolsys><000d01c3b456$962acb80$f4c581d5@pedro>
	<001001c3b459$cb74e2f0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <000d01c3b53b$566651f0$fcc581d5@pedro>

I want to thank John, Tom and William,

for the suggestions on rotating text.
I used the ActiveX from www.lebans.com because it is easy to use and
you can use it also on textboxes. Some other programs can only be used
on labels.

Pedro Janssen



From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Nov 28 02:38:14 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 09:38:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] NTFS new/changed file report by OS in Access
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF51@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Dear Friends
 
NTFS  has the posibilty to report to an app when a new file  is added or
changed in a folder.
So instead of screening a folder for new files app, its rather the OS
that reports to the app that new or changed files are in a certain
folder.
Has anyone tried to use this in Access?
I supose this is some kind of an API call.
This is very true for WXP don't not for W2K.
 
Thx
 

 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 28 03:37:27 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:37:27 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] NTFS new/changed file report by OS in Access
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF51@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF51@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <575846857.20031128103727@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

> NTFS  has the posibilty to report to an app when a new file  is added or
> changed in a folder.
> So instead of screening a folder for new files app, its rather the OS
> that reports to the app that new or changed files are in a certain
> folder.
> Has anyone tried to use this in Access?
> I supose this is some kind of an API call.
> This is very true for WXP don't not for W2K.

Yes, J?rgen Welz helped me with this for Win2000 but it appears to
only work reliably for changes "now and then", not for busy traffic.

Look up the archive on these:

  2002-02-19: On Timer Events

and a repost/quote

  2002-04-23: Monitoring Directories

If you can achieve better results I would be most interested in
learning about it.

/gustav


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Nov 28 05:33:00 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:33:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] NTFS new/changed file report by OS in Access
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF52@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Ok Thanks, I look into it. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 10:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] NTFS new/changed file report by OS in Access

Hi Erwin

> NTFS  has the posibilty to report to an app when a new file  is added 
> or changed in a folder.
> So instead of screening a folder for new files app, its rather the OS 
> that reports to the app that new or changed files are in a certain 
> folder.
> Has anyone tried to use this in Access?
> I supose this is some kind of an API call.
> This is very true for WXP don't not for W2K.

Yes, J?rgen Welz helped me with this for Win2000 but it appears to only work reliably for changes "now and then", not for busy traffic.

Look up the archive on these:

  2002-02-19: On Timer Events

and a repost/quote

  2002-04-23: Monitoring Directories

If you can achieve better results I would be most interested in learning about it.

/gustav

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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri Nov 28 06:07:05 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:07:05 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] TransferSpreadsheet, TransferText
Message-ID: <4761904.1070021225900.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005>

To all,
I'm writing a VB application which I need to import an Excel spreadsheet and/or a text file into a database.....Is there a VB command similar to this or does someone have some sample code that I could see to get me started...
Thanks in advance
Paul Hartland

From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri Nov 28 06:07:05 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:07:05 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VB] TransferSpreadsheet, TransferText
Message-ID: <4761904.1070021225900.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005>

To all,
I'm writing a VB application which I need to import an Excel spreadsheet and/or a text file into a database.....Is there a VB command similar to this or does someone have some sample code that I could see to get me started...
Thanks in advance
Paul Hartland
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Nov 28 08:49:45 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:49:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Cut Paste actionto tabsheet  looses events.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF5C@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

When you cut and past controls to move controls from a tabsheets control
(?! don't know correct name in English) they always looses their
events....
 
The code is still there, but in the properties is no longer
eventprocedure (?!)  marked.
So if you click on the tree dots the event is back.
But that would take me to go over each control and verify the code if
which events exists for which control.
Is there a way that Access will put the events in the properties
automaticaly?
 
A cut and past is necesary because moving to a tab does not work...
 

 

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From artful at rogers.com  Fri Nov 28 12:53:01 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:53:01 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database
In-Reply-To: <003201c3b21d$2e0e9850$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <000001c3b5e0$de1b78f0$6701a8c0@rock>

Thanks for this. It's a start, but what I don't see is how I can apply
so that I can walk all the tables and all the fields, finding the Yes/No
fields without knowing their names beforehand, and then applying the
changes.

Arthur

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 3:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database


Arthur, 

This works in A97, DAO
Since I have made the first field "0;Yes", then "Yes"
becomes the default value for the field.

Public Function fnYesNo2CBO()
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Set db = CurrentDb
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "DisplayControl", 3, 111, 111
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "RowSourceType", dbText, "Value List", "Value List"
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "RowSource", dbText, "0;Yes;1;No", "0;Yes;1;No"
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "ColumnCount", 3, 2, 2
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "ColumnWidths", dbText, "0, 720", "0, 720"
    Set db = Nothing
End Function

Private Function SetAccessProperty(obj As Object, strName As String, _
        intType As Integer, varSetting As Variant, _
        Optional SetToWhat As String) As Boolean
    Dim prp As DAO.Property
    Const conPropNotFound As Integer = 3270

    On Error GoTo ErrorSetAccessProperty
    ' Explicitly refer to Properties collection.
    obj.Properties(strName) = varSetting
    obj.Properties.Refresh
    If SetToWhat <> "" Then
        obj.Properties(strName).Value = SetToWhat
        obj.Properties.Refresh
    End If
    SetAccessProperty = True
    
ExitSetAccessProperty:
    Exit Function
    
ErrorSetAccessProperty:
    If Err = conPropNotFound Then

' Create property, denote type, and set initial value.
        Set prp = obj.CreateProperty(strName, intType, varSetting)
        ' Append Property object to Properties collection.
        obj.Properties.append prp
        obj.Properties(strName).Value = SetToWhat
        obj.Properties.Refresh
        SetAccessProperty = True
        Resume ExitSetAccessProperty
    Else
        MsgBox Err & ": " & vbCrLf & Err.Description
        SetAccessProperty = False
        Resume ExitSetAccessProperty
    End If
End Function


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From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 7:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database


> I've been working on this database lately, and I made all the Yes/No 
> fields CheckBoxes. Turns out the client hates CheckBoxes and wants 
> Yes/No combos instead. So I need a routine to walk every table and 
> change the properties of every Yes/No field from CheckBox to Combo + 
> Value List, "-1","Yes", "0","No", column count = 2, column widths = 
> 0".
> 
> Anyone got such a routine or something close that I can rework to suit

> my needs?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> 
> 
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From sgoodhall at comcast.net  Fri Nov 28 10:11:48 2003
From: sgoodhall at comcast.net (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 11:11:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VB] TransferSpreadsheet, TransferText
In-Reply-To: <4761904.1070021225900.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005>
Message-ID: <GOEIJOAPGAMPLIOCMEPMIEPPCNAA.sgoodhall@comcast.net>

One way that I find useful is to treat the Excel workbook as an ODBC data
source.  This method will also work with CSV text files.  This gets around
many of the field type problems that can arise with the transfer methods or
with linking worksheets as tables.  Code for this is on my web site,
http://www.goodhall.info/steve/, click on "Useful Software" and download the
second item.

Regards,

Steve Goodhall


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Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 7:07 AM
To: dba-vb
Cc: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VB] TransferSpreadsheet, TransferText


To all,
I'm writing a VB application which I need to import an Excel spreadsheet
and/or a text file into a database.....Is there a VB command similar to this
or does someone have some sample code that I could see to get me started...
Thanks in advance
Paul Hartland
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri Nov 28 10:18:04 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:18:04 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Basic Question/Access
Message-ID: <32122179.1070036284838.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>

To all,
 
I created a VB6 application a while back, I added the Microsoft Access 10.0 Object Library so that I could import spreadsheets & text files using DoCmd.TransferText or DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet commands.  All worked fine so I left it as it was, I have just gone to run it and I get the error message:
 
            This Operation Requires An Open Database.
 
I haven?t changed any code and it worked the last time I ran the application.  So I guess I need to know either why it may not be working now or how I can get it to work.  Or is there another way I can change this.
 
Thanks in advance for any help.
 
Paul Hartland

From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri Nov 28 10:18:04 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:18:04 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VB] Visual Basic Question/Access
Message-ID: <32122179.1070036284838.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>

To all,
 
I created a VB6 application a while back, I added the Microsoft Access 10.0 Object Library so that I could import spreadsheets & text files using DoCmd.TransferText or DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet commands.  All worked fine so I left it as it was, I have just gone to run it and I get the error message:
 
            This Operation Requires An Open Database.
 
I haven?t changed any code and it worked the last time I ran the application.  So I guess I need to know either why it may not be working now or how I can get it to work.  Or is there another way I can change this.
 
Thanks in advance for any help.
 
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From starkey at wanadoo.nl  Fri Nov 28 10:48:27 2003
From: starkey at wanadoo.nl (StaRKeY)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:48:27 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VB] TransferSpreadsheet, TransferText
In-Reply-To: <4761904.1070021225900.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005>
Message-ID: <LBEOIIMDLCKFLLKNJCMEIEJLCLAA.starkey@wanadoo.nl>

Hi Paul,

sorry no code but in VB you should use the Objectmodel of Excel. Create a
new instance and set the worksheet to the file. Then using the objectmodel
you're able to read out the specific values and append them to a table using
a recordset/SQL. I assume the sheet will always look the same or is used
only once.


Regards,
Eric STarkenburg

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Sent: vrijdag 28 november 2003 13:07
To: dba-vb
Cc: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VB] TransferSpreadsheet, TransferText


To all,
I'm writing a VB application which I need to import an Excel spreadsheet
and/or a text file into a database.....Is there a VB command similar to this
or does someone have some sample code that I could see to get me started...
Thanks in advance
Paul Hartland
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From starkey at wanadoo.nl  Fri Nov 28 10:57:04 2003
From: starkey at wanadoo.nl (StaRKeY)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:57:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Basic Question/Access
In-Reply-To: <32122179.1070036284838.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
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Paul,

I am not sure about this but .. from within VB you are trying to import data
using specific VBA Access code. You should probably open an Access database
from VB first and then use the Access VBA code to transfer data to the table
in Access. If it worked first could it be that you had Access open in the
background?


Regards
Eric Starkenburg

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Sent: vrijdag 28 november 2003 17:18
To: accessd
Cc: dba-vb
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Basic Question/Access


To all,

I created a VB6 application a while back, I added the Microsoft Access 10.0
Object Library so that I could import spreadsheets & text files using
DoCmd.TransferText or DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet commands.  All worked fine
so I left it as it was, I have just gone to run it and I get the error
message:

            This Operation Requires An Open Database.

I haven?t changed any code and it worked the last time I ran the
application.  So I guess I need to know either why it may not be working now
or how I can get it to work.  Or is there another way I can change this.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Paul Hartland
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Fri Nov 28 11:17:58 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:17:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database
In-Reply-To: <000001c3b5e0$de1b78f0$6701a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <000401c3b5d3$91e189f0$7001a8c0@COA3>

To "walk" all, you need something like:

Public Sub allyesno()
Dim d As DAO.Database
Dim t As DAO.TableDef
Dim f As DAO.Field

Set d = CurrentDb
For Each t In d.TableDefs
    
    For Each f In t.Fields
        If f.Type = dbBoolean Then
            ' DO STUFF
            Debug.Print f.Name
        End If
    Next 'f
Next 't
End Sub

- hth,
Steve




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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 1:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database


Thanks for this. It's a start, but what I don't see is how I can apply
so that I can walk all the tables and all the fields, finding the Yes/No
fields without knowing their names beforehand, and then applying the
changes.

Arthur

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 3:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database


Arthur, 

This works in A97, DAO
Since I have made the first field "0;Yes", then "Yes"
becomes the default value for the field.

Public Function fnYesNo2CBO()
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Set db = CurrentDb
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "DisplayControl", 3, 111, 111
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "RowSourceType", dbText, "Value List", "Value List"
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "RowSource", dbText, "0;Yes;1;No", "0;Yes;1;No"
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "ColumnCount", 3, 2, 2
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "ColumnWidths", dbText, "0, 720", "0, 720"
    Set db = Nothing
End Function

Private Function SetAccessProperty(obj As Object, strName As String, _
        intType As Integer, varSetting As Variant, _
        Optional SetToWhat As String) As Boolean
    Dim prp As DAO.Property
    Const conPropNotFound As Integer = 3270

    On Error GoTo ErrorSetAccessProperty
    ' Explicitly refer to Properties collection.
    obj.Properties(strName) = varSetting
    obj.Properties.Refresh
    If SetToWhat <> "" Then
        obj.Properties(strName).Value = SetToWhat
        obj.Properties.Refresh
    End If
    SetAccessProperty = True
    
ExitSetAccessProperty:
    Exit Function
    
ErrorSetAccessProperty:
    If Err = conPropNotFound Then

' Create property, denote type, and set initial value.
        Set prp = obj.CreateProperty(strName, intType, varSetting)
        ' Append Property object to Properties collection.
        obj.Properties.append prp
        obj.Properties(strName).Value = SetToWhat
        obj.Properties.Refresh
        SetAccessProperty = True
        Resume ExitSetAccessProperty
    Else
        MsgBox Err & ": " & vbCrLf & Err.Description
        SetAccessProperty = False
        Resume ExitSetAccessProperty
    End If
End Function


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From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 7:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database


> I've been working on this database lately, and I made all the Yes/No
> fields CheckBoxes. Turns out the client hates CheckBoxes and wants 
> Yes/No combos instead. So I need a routine to walk every table and 
> change the properties of every Yes/No field from CheckBox to Combo + 
> Value List, "-1","Yes", "0","No", column count = 2, column widths = 
> 0".
> 
> Anyone got such a routine or something close that I can rework to suit

> my needs?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> 
> 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 28 11:33:33 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:33:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Cut Paste actionto tabsheet  looses events.
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF5C@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEPOFNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Just cut and paste the CODE from the module and the event procedure will
automatically be filled in again in the property sheet.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 9:50 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Cut Paste actionto tabsheet looses events.


When you cut and past controls to move controls from a tabsheets control
(?! don't know correct name in English) they always looses their
events....

The code is still there, but in the properties is no longer
eventprocedure (?!)  marked.
So if you click on the tree dots the event is back.
But that would take me to go over each control and verify the code if
which events exists for which control.
Is there a way that Access will put the events in the properties
automaticaly?

A cut and past is necesary because moving to a tab does not work...




Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Nov 28 12:14:18 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 19:14:18 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Cut Paste actionto tabsheet  looses events.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF66@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Sounds logical to me...
I'll try it this w.e..

(yeah yeah, I'm one of those guys you see working in the week-end :-(.

 
Erwin

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Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 6:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cut Paste actionto tabsheet looses events.

Just cut and paste the CODE from the module and the event procedure will
automatically be filled in again in the property sheet.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 9:50 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Cut Paste actionto tabsheet looses events.


When you cut and past controls to move controls from a tabsheets control
(?! don't know correct name in English) they always looses their
events....

The code is still there, but in the properties is no longer
eventprocedure (?!)  marked.
So if you click on the tree dots the event is back.
But that would take me to go over each control and verify the code if
which events exists for which control.
Is there a way that Access will put the events in the properties
automaticaly?

A cut and past is necesary because moving to a tab does not work...




Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder

www.ithelps.be/jonathan



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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Nov 28 12:30:39 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:30:39 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] NTFS new/changed file report by OS in Access
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF52@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <3FC7944F.2020106@shaw.ca>

Maybe some clues here
Have a look at
Creating a Watched Folder with FindChangeNotification
http://www.mvps.org/vbnet/index.html?code/fileapi/watchedfolder.htm
or this one
http://www.mvps.org/vbvision/Sample_Projects.htm#Watch_Directory_Demo
Erwin Craps wrote:

>Ok Thanks, I look into it. 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 10:37 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] NTFS new/changed file report by OS in Access
>
>Hi Erwin
>
>  
>
>>NTFS  has the posibilty to report to an app when a new file  is added 
>>or changed in a folder.
>>So instead of screening a folder for new files app, its rather the OS 
>>that reports to the app that new or changed files are in a certain 
>>folder.
>>Has anyone tried to use this in Access?
>>I supose this is some kind of an API call.
>>This is very true for WXP don't not for W2K.
>>    
>>
>
>Yes, J?rgen Welz helped me with this for Win2000 but it appears to only work reliably for changes "now and then", not for busy traffic.
>
>Look up the archive on these:
>
>  2002-02-19: On Timer Events
>
>and a repost/quote
>
>  2002-04-23: Monitoring Directories
>
>If you can achieve better results I would be most interested in learning about it.
>
>/gustav
>
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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Fri Nov 28 16:02:29 2003
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:02:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  VBScript failing on login
Message-ID: <73610-220031152822229302@christopherhawkins.com>

Greetings.

I wrote a login script for a client some time ago. Part of the script
is a function that creates a comma-delimited list of what groups the
logging-in user belongs to. The script has been working perfectly
until this morning, when the IsMember function started failing. The
IT guys have been making configuration changes to various servers,
but can't tell me what exactly those changes are. 

My only clue is that g_oNet.UserDomain comes back with no value. I'm
not sure why that would be. All the client machines have the Windows
Scripting Host, Windows Management Instrumentation and ADSI
installed. 

There are globals at the top of the script:
' Globals
Dim g_oGroupDict
Dim g_oNet
dim g_sGroupList

...and this function, which is failing, at the bottom:


Function IsMember(sGroup)
' Creates a comma-delimited list of groups to which the user belongs.

    msgbox "IsMember..." & sGroup	' DEBUG

    Dim sAdsPath
    Dim oUser
    Dim oGroup

    ' Populate dictionary if not already created.

    If IsEmpty(g_oGroupDict) Then
	msgbox "GROUPS DICTIONARY IS EMPTY...BUILDING DICTIONARY..."
        Set g_oGroupDict = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")
        g_oGroupDict.CompareMode = vbTextCompare
        sAdsPath = g_oNet.UserDomain & "/" & g_oNet.UserName

	msgbox "g_oNet.UserDomain = " & g_oNet.UserDomain
	msgbox "USER PATH = " & sAdsPath	' DEBUG

	set oUser = GetObject("WinNT://DOMAINABC/" & sUser)

        For Each oGroup In oUser.Groups
	    msgbox "MEMBER OF: " & oGroup.name	' DEBUG
            g_oGroupDict.Add oGroup.Name, " - "
	    g_sGroupList = oGroup.Name & ", " & g_sGroupList
        Next

        Set oUser = Nothing
        msgbox "ALL GROUPS = " & g_sGroupList
    End If

    IsMember = CBool(g_oGroupDict.Exists(sGroup))
    msgbox "End IsMember = " & IsMember

msgbox err.number & " - " & err.description,"IsMember"

End Function
I'm very confounded. The script has been running successfully for
weeks now, and no changes have been made (save for the various MsgBox
statements I've been using this morning to debug it). The machine
this script runs on is a PDC.

More info: the script still executes successfully for XP clients. The
98 clients are the ones that cannot execute the script. And the PDC
that the users authenticate against is an NT4 machine.

I am well and truly stumped.
-Christopher-



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 28 18:07:03 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 18:07:03 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227605@main2.marlow.com>

I've thought about writing a long set of articles to put on my website, but
I always find something else comes up...know what I mean?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 7:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development


Hi Drew:

Have you ever thought about writing a book on the subject...You have
finished chapter one.

...I teasing... :-)

Very good introductory
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 2:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development


Paul, I have been developing ASP project for quite some time now.  I think I
can narrow down what you REALLY need to know to get started.

First of all, before you dig into web development, you MUST understand how a
web server and web pages work.  It is a whole different ball of wax compared
to an Access FE.  With an Access FE, you create forms and reports, and each
user has a copy (or uses a shared FE) of the front end.  This has several
drawbacks.  First of all, if you have copies of the FE all over, you have to
create an update process to push out new changes.  If you have a shared FE,
then you have to kick everyone out to update the process.  On top of that, a
user can be anywhere, so there can always be issues of where things are
located.  One user may have a share mapped to S, while another has it mapped
to T.  UNC's can handle this, but then there is also the issue of whether
people are able to even get to the locations involved.  On a web server, all
of these issues are moot.

The way a web server works, is the client opens their browser and requests a
web page.  Let's say they go to http://MyWebsite.com.  The browser does a
few things, one of which is it sends an http request to the server sitting
at whatever mywebsite.com resolves too.  (http is Hyper Text Transfer
Protocol.  HTML is Hyper Text Markup Language.  So, HTTP is the protocol
uses to transport HTML.).  The server at the other end gets an http request
for it's root directory.  Notice the URL doesn't have a specific file (this
is a KEY point to remember).  That is just fine and dandy, because a
webserver can be asked for a page by just the 'folder', since each folder
can have a default document setup.  In most cases it is index.htm or
default.asp, but it can quite frankly be any document you want (or even a
list of documents).  For our example, let's say it's default.asp.  The web
server then reads the default.asp page and runs it through it's ISAPI
filters.  These are filters that cause various things to be done to the HTML
that is going to be sent back.  Two good examples of this are includes and
ASP itself.  Includes are when you mark another file or files to be included
within the document.  So, if you have a header that you want on every page,
instead of putting the HTML for that header on every page, you put the
header in it's own file, and just include it in all of your pages.  The
include ISAPI filter then incorporates that HTML in the outgoing HTML.  You
can also include .asp code, similar to putting code in a module, versus
behind every form/report.  The ASP ISAPI filter is a little more complex.
Instead of just replacing text, it actually 'works' the ASP code on the
page.

This is the CORE of ASP.  What the end user get's, is just the outgoing
HTML.  They never get the ASP code itself.  ASP can either be passive or
dynamic.  My own terms for the two actions ASP can perform.  Passive is when
the ASP does something that the users can't see. Dynamic is when ASP does
something that the users DO see.  For example.  If the default.asp page was
like this:

<%
dim cnn
dim rs
dim strSQL
set cnn=server.createobject("ADODB.Connection")
set rs=server.createobject("ADODB.Recordset")
cnn.Provider="Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
cnn.Open "E:\MyDB.mdb"
strSQL="SELECT Hit FROM tblHits;"
rs.Open strSQL,cnn,1,3
rs.AddNew
rs.Fields(0).value=1
rs.Update
rs.close
set rs=nothing
cnn.close
set cnn=nothing
%>
<HTML>
Hello
</HTML>

The end user will get a page that says hello, but internally, the ASP page
has added a record to a database, in this case, a simple hit counter.  This
is passive, since the user will always get 'Hello', no matter what they do.
The ASP code is doing work, but it's something the end user doesn't see.

Dynamic ASP pages are where the output the user sees is directly affected by
the ASP code.  To do this, you must either use the = symbol (which is a
shortcut to have the ASP send something out with the resulting HTML stream),
or the response.write procedure.

For example, let's have default.asp be this:

<%
dim strIP
strIP=request.ServerVariables("REMOTE_ADDR")
%>
<HTML>
Your IP Address is: <%=strIP%> <br>
<%
response.write "Have a nice day."
%>
</HTML>

What the user will see is a message that has their IP address, like this:

Your IP Address is: 65.65.125.209
Have a nice day.

We used the equal since to 'insert' something into the normal HTML with ASP,
and then we used response.write to directly output a string into the
outgoing HTML stream.

The last thing to remember when dealing with a web server is that the end
users are getting whatever the web server hands out, the moment they request
it.  Once they get the resulting HTML stream, and their browser displays the
page, there is no longer a connection to the file they requested.  That
means if you are constantly updating asp pages, the end users will just
simply get the 'current' results at the time of their request.  No kicking
everyone out, etc.  Pretty handy.

Three more items to cover. Above was the biggie.  First of the three.  HTML.
HTML is actually pretty simple.  I personally used Front Page when I started
out, to let it do the HTML for me, then after a few months of going back and
forth, I just got the hang of it, and I rarely ever use FP for writing the
HTML anymore.  The two key items to remember with HTML is that everything is
written with tags.  Some tags are stand alone, such as <BR> (which is a line
break), and some tags must have a start and finish (<HTML> and </HTML>, or
an easier example <b> and </b> which is for bolding text).  Tags also can
have properties.  For example, an anchor tag (for hyperlinks) is a.  <a
href="http://wolfwares.com">Click here to go to Wolfwares.com</a>  <a starts
the tag, it has an href property, which is the URL of the site/file the
hyperlink points too, then the tag is closed with the >, and between the
start tag, and the closing tag </a>, there is text, which is what the user
will see as the text of the hyperlink.  The second key item to remember with
HTML is that no matter what format you write the HTML in, what the user sees
in the browser is determine by the TAGS, not by the HTML code.

So if you write:

<HTML>
This is a
Test
</HTML>

The user sees:
This is a Test

If you write:
<HTML>This is a <br>Test</HTML>

The user sees:
This is a
Test

Second of the three is a BIG difference between Access and ASP.  Access runs
it's code on the users processor.  This is both good and bad.  Bad, because
the end user must have Access (or a run-time installed).  Also, bad because
users on slower machines are going to be delayed longer then users on fast
machines.  Good, because as long as the end users have the correct
software/runtimes, your application should almost be gauranteed to work.
With ASP, if you write standard HTML, it doesn't matter what you have the
ASP code do.  Your ASP code only has to run on the web server.  Your clients
can be running Pentium 4's, with IE, or Mac's with Netscape, and everyone
sees the same results.  A client running a 2.6 gigahertz on a 56k modem is
going to run your application at the same speed (well, pretty much the same
speed) as a client running a 486 66mhz with a 56k modem.  In fact, if your
pages are light enough on the output (little to no graphics, just plain
HTML.....) there isn't going to be much of a difference between a modem user
or a broad band user. Text transfers pretty quickly....though you could have
slow downs if there is just a ton of text being sent (like combo boxes that
have thousands of items in their lists).  The final issue with this part is
client side scripting.  I personally stay away from it like the plague,
unless it's for in house projects where I know everyone is using IE. So try
to make your applications run strictly with ASP, unless absolutely
necessary.

Third of the three.  The real nuts and bolts of ASP.  ASP can be written in
JScript or VBScript.  Quite frankly I have never bothered to use JScript,
since VBScript is practically second nature.  When writting ASP, you enclose
the ASP code with <% and %> (start and end tags for ASP), and then write
away with VBScript.  There are two things to remember/research. ASP is
VBScript with extra objects (Application,
ObjectContext,Request,ASPError,Response,Server,Session). The three you are
going to deal with the most are Request, Response and Server.  Request gives
you access to what you have been 'sent' by the user. It can be used to read
cookies, server variables (which include Usernames, passwords,IP Addresses,
browser types, etc.), and form data. Response is what you use to send data
back to the user (response.write outputs to the HTML stream, redirect can
actually change the URL the end user is receiving, etc.).  Server is the
webserver itself. The two main methods you will probably use are
MapPath(Which let's you map a virtual or actual path to a file) and
CreateObject.  That CreateObject is the big catch with ASP and VBScript.  In
normal VBScript you just call CreateObject.  But with ASP, you must use the
Server Object's CreateObject method to create an object in VBScript.
(Because the object must be created by the webserver).

That's ASP in a nutshell.  The first item I talked about is a little
difficult to figure out from the MSDN, the rest is in the MSDN, but can
still be a little difficult to figure out.  The details on everything (HTML
tags, ASP objects, etc.) are pretty much well explained in the MSDN though.

The last thing you will need to know about ASP pages versus Access FE's is
how to get data FROM the user. (we already discussed sending it to them,
with the response.write method).  I mentioned the request object.  The two
methods of getting data from the user are through forms and querystrings.  A
querystring is what follows a URL (after a ?).  So, if you have a URL like
this: http://MyWebsite.com/default.asp?MyValue=10 , you can retrieve the
value of MyValue by using the request.QueryString method, like this:

<%
response.write request.QueryString("MyValue")
%>

If you have an HTML form, and you POST the data:

<HTML>
<BODY>
<Form Name="MyForm" Method=post action="results.asp">
<input type=text name="MyValue">
<input type=submit>
</form>
</body>
</HTML>

The resulting page will have a textbox, and a submit button.  Pressing the
submit button will send the data within the MyValue textbox to results.asp.
So if results.asp was this:

<%
response.write request.form("MyValue")
%>

The results page will output whatever was in the textbox.

The key difference between a QueryString and a Form is that QueryStrings are
limited by the max length of a URL (which is, I think, 2048
characters...maybe 1024 characters, not sure).  Where as a form is not
limited in the amount of data that can be submitted.  You can also refer to
a request 'variable' by just the request object.  request("MyValue") can be
a value in either a QueryString OR a Form.

Phew, what an email.  This was fun to write though.  Keep in mind that ASP
doesn't directly like DAO, so write your code using ADO.  Feel free to
contact me offlist if you have specific questions.  I may get hammered for
the length of this email, but I think it's pertinent to Access development
on the web!

Drew



-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:55 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development


To all,
I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, returning
resultsets in tables from Access & SQL Server etc.
Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any book
recommendations ?
Thanks in advance for all your help
Paul Hartland
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 28 18:09:48 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 18:09:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227606@main2.marlow.com>

Okay.  I know it ties into Access, but what so many new web/Access
developers don't realize is that they already have most of the skills
required for the development side, they just need the big picture
information to get it to all work together.

When do I go on about beer or traffic.....<evilgrin> (That reminds me, I
think I'm going to have a few beers after dealing with traffic tonight!).

Susan, what would you need for Many to Many?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 5:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development


No Way you're going to "get hammered". The mods may take a (friendly) stick
to you sometimes when you go off on one about beer, traffic or whatever but
rest assured we hugely appreciate the efforts you make to help people on
this list. And I second Jim's call - Write a book, or at least a series of
aticles for Many-To-Many. Susan's tking of another issue soon so this would
be a terrific subject.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 26 November 2003 22:55
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
> 
> 
> Paul, I have been developing ASP project for quite some time 
> now.  I think I can narrow down what you REALLY need to know 
> to get started.
> 
> First of all, before you dig into web development, you MUST 
> understand how a web server and web pages work.  It is a 
> whole different ball of wax compared to an Access FE.  With 
> an Access FE, you create forms and reports, and each user has 
> a copy (or uses a shared FE) of the front end.  This has 
> several drawbacks.  First of all, if you have copies of the 
> FE all over, you have to create an update process to push out 
> new changes.  If you have a shared FE, then you have to kick 
> everyone out to update the process.  On top of that, a user 
> can be anywhere, so there can always be issues of where 
> things are located.  One user may have a share mapped to S, 
> while another has it mapped to T.  UNC's can handle this, but 
> then there is also the issue of whether people are able to 
> even get to the locations involved.  On a web server, all of 
> these issues are moot.  
> 
> The way a web server works, is the client opens their browser 
> and requests a web page.  Let's say they go to 
> http://MyWebsite.com.  The browser does a few things, one of 
> which is it sends an http request to the server sitting at 
> whatever mywebsite.com resolves too.  (http is Hyper Text 
> Transfer Protocol.  HTML is Hyper Text Markup Language.  So, 
> HTTP is the protocol uses to transport HTML.).  The server at 
> the other end gets an http request for it's root directory.  
> Notice the URL doesn't have a specific file (this is a KEY 
> point to remember).  That is just fine and dandy, because a 
> webserver can be asked for a page by just the 'folder', since 
> each folder can have a default document setup.  In most cases 
> it is index.htm or default.asp, but it can quite frankly be 
> any document you want (or even a list of documents).  For our 
> example, let's say it's default.asp.  The web server then 
> reads the default.asp page and runs it through it's ISAPI 
> filters.  These are filters that cause various things to be 
> done to the HTML that is going to be sent back.  Two good 
> examples of this are includes and ASP itself.  Includes are 
> when you mark another file or files to be included within the 
> document.  So, if you have a header that you want on every 
> page, instead of putting the HTML for that header on every 
> page, you put the header in it's own file, and just include 
> it in all of your pages.  The include ISAPI filter then 
> incorporates that HTML in the outgoing HTML.  You can also 
> include .asp code, similar to putting code in a module, 
> versus behind every form/report.  The ASP ISAPI filter is a 
> little more complex. Instead of just replacing text, it 
> actually 'works' the ASP code on the page. 
> 
> This is the CORE of ASP.  What the end user get's, is just 
> the outgoing HTML.  They never get the ASP code itself.  ASP 
> can either be passive or dynamic.  My own terms for the two 
> actions ASP can perform.  Passive is when the ASP does 
> something that the users can't see. Dynamic is when ASP does 
> something that the users DO see.  For example.  If the 
> default.asp page was like this:
> 
> <%
> dim cnn
> dim rs
> dim strSQL
> set cnn=server.createobject("ADODB.Connection")
> set rs=server.createobject("ADODB.Recordset")
> cnn.Provider="Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
> cnn.Open "E:\MyDB.mdb"
> strSQL="SELECT Hit FROM tblHits;"
> rs.Open strSQL,cnn,1,3
> rs.AddNew
> rs.Fields(0).value=1
> rs.Update
> rs.close
> set rs=nothing
> cnn.close
> set cnn=nothing
> %>
> <HTML>
> Hello
> </HTML>
> 
> The end user will get a page that says hello, but internally, 
> the ASP page has added a record to a database, in this case, 
> a simple hit counter.  This is passive, since the user will 
> always get 'Hello', no matter what they do. The ASP code is 
> doing work, but it's something the end user doesn't see.
> 
> Dynamic ASP pages are where the output the user sees is 
> directly affected by the ASP code.  To do this, you must 
> either use the = symbol (which is a shortcut to have the ASP 
> send something out with the resulting HTML stream), or the 
> response.write procedure.
> 
> For example, let's have default.asp be this:
> 
> <%
> dim strIP
> strIP=request.ServerVariables("REMOTE_ADDR")
> %>
> <HTML>
> Your IP Address is: <%=strIP%> <br>
> <%
> response.write "Have a nice day."
> %>
> </HTML>
> 
> What the user will see is a message that has their IP 
> address, like this:
> 
> Your IP Address is: 65.65.125.209
> Have a nice day.
> 
> We used the equal since to 'insert' something into the normal 
> HTML with ASP, and then we used response.write to directly 
> output a string into the outgoing HTML stream.
> 
> The last thing to remember when dealing with a web server is 
> that the end users are getting whatever the web server hands 
> out, the moment they request it.  Once they get the resulting 
> HTML stream, and their browser displays the page, there is no 
> longer a connection to the file they requested.  That means 
> if you are constantly updating asp pages, the end users will 
> just simply get the 'current' results at the time of their 
> request.  No kicking everyone out, etc.  Pretty handy.
> 
> Three more items to cover. Above was the biggie.  First of 
> the three.  HTML. HTML is actually pretty simple.  I 
> personally used Front Page when I started out, to let it do 
> the HTML for me, then after a few months of going back and 
> forth, I just got the hang of it, and I rarely ever use FP 
> for writing the HTML anymore.  The two key items to remember 
> with HTML is that everything is written with tags.  Some tags 
> are stand alone, such as <BR> (which is a line break), and 
> some tags must have a start and finish (<HTML> and </HTML>, 
> or an easier example <b> and </b> which is for bolding text). 
>  Tags also can have properties.  For example, an anchor tag 
> (for hyperlinks) is a.  <a href="http://wolfwares.com">Click 
> here to go to Wolfwares.com</a>  <a starts the tag, it has an 
> href property, which is the URL of the site/file the 
> hyperlink points too, then the tag is closed with the >, and 
> between the start tag, and the closing tag </a>, there is 
> text, which is what the user will see as the text of the 
> hyperlink.  The second key item to remember with HTML is that 
> no matter what format you write the HTML in, what the user 
> sees in the browser is determine by the TAGS, not by the HTML code.
> 
> So if you write:
> 
> <HTML>
> This is a 
> Test
> </HTML>
> 
> The user sees:
> This is a Test
> 
> If you write:
> <HTML>This is a <br>Test</HTML>
> 
> The user sees:
> This is a
> Test
> 
> Second of the three is a BIG difference between Access and 
> ASP.  Access runs it's code on the users processor.  This is 
> both good and bad.  Bad, because the end user must have 
> Access (or a run-time installed).  Also, bad because users on 
> slower machines are going to be delayed longer then users on 
> fast machines.  Good, because as long as the end users have 
> the correct software/runtimes, your application should almost 
> be gauranteed to work. With ASP, if you write standard HTML, 
> it doesn't matter what you have the ASP code do.  Your ASP 
> code only has to run on the web server.  Your clients can be 
> running Pentium 4's, with IE, or Mac's with Netscape, and 
> everyone sees the same results.  A client running a 2.6 
> gigahertz on a 56k modem is going to run your application at 
> the same speed (well, pretty much the same
> speed) as a client running a 486 66mhz with a 56k modem.  In 
> fact, if your pages are light enough on the output (little to 
> no graphics, just plain
> HTML.....) there isn't going to be much of a difference 
> between a modem user or a broad band user. Text transfers 
> pretty quickly....though you could have slow downs if there 
> is just a ton of text being sent (like combo boxes that have 
> thousands of items in their lists).  The final issue with 
> this part is client side scripting.  I personally stay away 
> from it like the plague, unless it's for in house projects 
> where I know everyone is using IE. So try to make your 
> applications run strictly with ASP, unless absolutely necessary.
> 
> Third of the three.  The real nuts and bolts of ASP.  ASP can 
> be written in JScript or VBScript.  Quite frankly I have 
> never bothered to use JScript, since VBScript is practically 
> second nature.  When writting ASP, you enclose the ASP code 
> with <% and %> (start and end tags for ASP), and then write 
> away with VBScript.  There are two things to 
> remember/research. ASP is VBScript with extra objects 
> (Application, 
> ObjectContext,Request,ASPError,Response,Server,Session). The 
> three you are going to deal with the most are Request, 
> Response and Server.  Request gives you access to what you 
> have been 'sent' by the user. It can be used to read cookies, 
> server variables (which include Usernames, passwords,IP 
> Addresses, browser types, etc.), and form data. Response is 
> what you use to send data back to the user (response.write 
> outputs to the HTML stream, redirect can actually change the 
> URL the end user is receiving, etc.).  Server is the 
> webserver itself. The two main methods you will probably use 
> are MapPath(Which let's you map a virtual or actual path to a 
> file) and CreateObject.  That CreateObject is the big catch 
> with ASP and VBScript.  In normal VBScript you just call 
> CreateObject.  But with ASP, you must use the Server Object's 
> CreateObject method to create an object in VBScript. (Because 
> the object must be created by the webserver).
> 
> That's ASP in a nutshell.  The first item I talked about is a 
> little difficult to figure out from the MSDN, the rest is in 
> the MSDN, but can still be a little difficult to figure out.  
> The details on everything (HTML tags, ASP objects, etc.) are 
> pretty much well explained in the MSDN though.
> 
> The last thing you will need to know about ASP pages versus 
> Access FE's is how to get data FROM the user. (we already 
> discussed sending it to them, with the response.write 
> method).  I mentioned the request object.  The two methods of 
> getting data from the user are through forms and 
> querystrings.  A querystring is what follows a URL (after a 
> ?).  So, if you have a URL like
> this: http://MyWebsite.com/default.asp?MyValue=10 , you can 
> retrieve the value of MyValue by using the 
> request.QueryString method, like this:
> 
> <%
> response.write request.QueryString("MyValue")
> %>
> 
> If you have an HTML form, and you POST the data:
> 
> <HTML>
> <BODY>
> <Form Name="MyForm" Method=post action="results.asp">
> <input type=text name="MyValue">
> <input type=submit>
> </form>
> </body>
> </HTML>
> 
> The resulting page will have a textbox, and a submit button.  
> Pressing the submit button will send the data within the 
> MyValue textbox to results.asp. So if results.asp was this:
> 
> <%
> response.write request.form("MyValue")
> %>
> 
> The results page will output whatever was in the textbox.
> 
> The key difference between a QueryString and a Form is that 
> QueryStrings are limited by the max length of a URL (which 
> is, I think, 2048 characters...maybe 1024 characters, not 
> sure).  Where as a form is not limited in the amount of data 
> that can be submitted.  You can also refer to a request 
> 'variable' by just the request object.  request("MyValue") 
> can be a value in either a QueryString OR a Form.
> 
> Phew, what an email.  This was fun to write though.  Keep in 
> mind that ASP doesn't directly like DAO, so write your code 
> using ADO.  Feel free to contact me offlist if you have 
> specific questions.  I may get hammered for the length of 
> this email, but I think it's pertinent to Access development 
> on the web!
> 
> Drew
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:55 AM
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
> 
> 
> To all,
> I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, 
> returning resultsets in tables from Access & SQL Server etc. 
> Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any 
> book recommendations ? Thanks in advance for all your help 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 28 18:12:55 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 18:12:55 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] NTFS new/changed file report by OS in Access
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227607@main2.marlow.com>

I've done it with VB, so I'm sure it can be done with Access.  It works fine
in NT 5.0 (and up, so that includes w2k and wxp), but NT requires much more
detailed security information, which I never got around to goofing around
with.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 2:38 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] NTFS new/changed file report by OS in Access


Dear Friends
 
NTFS  has the posibilty to report to an app when a new file  is added or
changed in a folder.
So instead of screening a folder for new files app, its rather the OS
that reports to the app that new or changed files are in a certain
folder.
Has anyone tried to use this in Access?
I supose this is some kind of an API call.
This is very true for WXP don't not for W2K.
 
Thx
 

 

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 28 18:15:08 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 18:15:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] NTFS new/changed file report by OS in Access
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227608@main2.marlow.com>

Actually, if you use the API (don't remember the name off the top of my
head), but it works perfectly, no matter what the traffic is.  It even works
on remote machines.  So you can 'hook' into another NT 5.0 or higher machine
and watch all activity on a file/folder/directory. (No timers
involved...though it does use API timer events not to continuously monitor a
drive, but instead to force the loop.)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 3:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] NTFS new/changed file report by OS in Access


Hi Erwin

> NTFS  has the posibilty to report to an app when a new file  is added or
> changed in a folder.
> So instead of screening a folder for new files app, its rather the OS
> that reports to the app that new or changed files are in a certain
> folder.
> Has anyone tried to use this in Access?
> I supose this is some kind of an API call.
> This is very true for WXP don't not for W2K.

Yes, J?rgen Welz helped me with this for Win2000 but it appears to
only work reliably for changes "now and then", not for busy traffic.

Look up the archive on these:

  2002-02-19: On Timer Events

and a repost/quote

  2002-04-23: Monitoring Directories

If you can achieve better results I would be most interested in
learning about it.

/gustav

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov 29 04:22:06 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 11:22:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] NTFS new/changed file report by OS in Access
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF51@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF51@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <1586354186.20031129112206@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

Not quite sure what you wish to achieve but here's another option for
watching file changes:

  http://tailforwin32.sourceforge.net/

/gustav


> NTFS  has the posibilty to report to an app when a new file  is added or
> changed in a folder.
> So instead of screening a folder for new files app, its rather the OS
> that reports to the app that new or changed files are in a certain
> folder.
> Has anyone tried to use this in Access?
> I supose this is some kind of an API call.
> This is very true for WXP don't not for W2K.


From john at winhaven.net  Sat Nov 29 10:51:04 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 10:51:04 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIENBFNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAEIEENAA.john@winhaven.net>

JC,
Not a lot of posts lately so I'm just a wondering if I'm seeing them all.

Has anyone else responded to this post?

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:20 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
>
>
> Have ya ever... wished you had a place to store all the registry
> tweaks you
> run across?  I have run across so many things where they tell you to go to
> the registry and set / clear / delete some entry.  I can NEVER remember
> where I found the tweak, but I always remember I was supposed to do some
> unnamed thing to make something happen.
>
> It all started with securing IIS.  An article I ran across gives a handful
> of registry tweaks to tighten up security.  Of course I can use
> regedit but
> how blas?
>
> Well I just whipped out a little database to hold the key / value name /
> value and a memo about the registry key, as well as a parent "topic" table
> that lets me organize the entries by a topic of my choosing, complete with
> memo.  At the moment you have to type the registry key / value
> name / value
> in, but once you do you can press a button and the entry is created in the
> registry.  It uses a registry class for anyone interested in how to read /
> write the registry (or doesn't want to write their own) courtesy of a VB
> Techniques article written by Eric Smith on 3/29/2000.  I also use a few
> withevent classes for those of you who want to see how I use Withevents to
> run the basic forms.
>
> I may (probably will) eventually write code to back up an existing key
> before modification, read registry chunks into the table etc.  Not there
> yet.
>
> I think it would be cool to organize a huge "registry tweak"
> database where
> anyone interested gets this database and enters their favorite tweak, then
> donates their tweaks to a pool.  I can take care of merging everyone's
> tweaks into a single database and get the resulting pool up on my
> web site.
>
> Anyone interested?  Anyone know of a public domain db that I can
> get tweaks
> already in a db?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 29 11:22:36 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 12:22:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAEIEENAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOECJFOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Nope.  That happens though.  There may not be a lot of interest.  Plus it's
a holiday.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 11:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Registry tweaks


JC,
Not a lot of posts lately so I'm just a wondering if I'm seeing them all.

Has anyone else responded to this post?

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:20 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
>
>
> Have ya ever... wished you had a place to store all the registry
> tweaks you
> run across?  I have run across so many things where they tell you to go to
> the registry and set / clear / delete some entry.  I can NEVER remember
> where I found the tweak, but I always remember I was supposed to do some
> unnamed thing to make something happen.
>
> It all started with securing IIS.  An article I ran across gives a handful
> of registry tweaks to tighten up security.  Of course I can use
> regedit but
> how blas?
>
> Well I just whipped out a little database to hold the key / value name /
> value and a memo about the registry key, as well as a parent "topic" table
> that lets me organize the entries by a topic of my choosing, complete with
> memo.  At the moment you have to type the registry key / value
> name / value
> in, but once you do you can press a button and the entry is created in the
> registry.  It uses a registry class for anyone interested in how to read /
> write the registry (or doesn't want to write their own) courtesy of a VB
> Techniques article written by Eric Smith on 3/29/2000.  I also use a few
> withevent classes for those of you who want to see how I use Withevents to
> run the basic forms.
>
> I may (probably will) eventually write code to back up an existing key
> before modification, read registry chunks into the table etc.  Not there
> yet.
>
> I think it would be cool to organize a huge "registry tweak"
> database where
> anyone interested gets this database and enters their favorite tweak, then
> donates their tweaks to a pool.  I can take care of merging everyone's
> tweaks into a single database and get the resulting pool up on my
> web site.
>
> Anyone interested?  Anyone know of a public domain db that I can
> get tweaks
> already in a db?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Sat Nov 29 14:01:54 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:01:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOECJFOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJEEIPFGAA.john@winhaven.net>

Thanks, just checking. Are you on the Eng-Lib list? Maybe we could take it
over there and continue. I'm certainly willing to give some effort.

jb

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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 11:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
>
>
> Nope.  That happens though.  There may not be a lot of interest.
> Plus it's
> a holiday.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 11:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
>
>
> JC,
> Not a lot of posts lately so I'm just a wondering if I'm seeing them all.
>
> Has anyone else responded to this post?
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:20 AM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
> >
> >
> > Have ya ever... wished you had a place to store all the registry
> > tweaks you
> > run across?  I have run across so many things where they tell
> you to go to
> > the registry and set / clear / delete some entry.  I can NEVER remember
> > where I found the tweak, but I always remember I was supposed to do some
> > unnamed thing to make something happen.
> >
> > It all started with securing IIS.  An article I ran across
> gives a handful
> > of registry tweaks to tighten up security.  Of course I can use
> > regedit but
> > how blas?
> >
> > Well I just whipped out a little database to hold the key / value name /
> > value and a memo about the registry key, as well as a parent
> "topic" table
> > that lets me organize the entries by a topic of my choosing,
> complete with
> > memo.  At the moment you have to type the registry key / value
> > name / value
> > in, but once you do you can press a button and the entry is
> created in the
> > registry.  It uses a registry class for anyone interested in
> how to read /
> > write the registry (or doesn't want to write their own) courtesy of a VB
> > Techniques article written by Eric Smith on 3/29/2000.  I also use a few
> > withevent classes for those of you who want to see how I use
> Withevents to
> > run the basic forms.
> >
> > I may (probably will) eventually write code to back up an existing key
> > before modification, read registry chunks into the table etc.  Not there
> > yet.
> >
> > I think it would be cool to organize a huge "registry tweak"
> > database where
> > anyone interested gets this database and enters their favorite
> tweak, then
> > donates their tweaks to a pool.  I can take care of merging everyone's
> > tweaks into a single database and get the resulting pool up on my
> > web site.
> >
> > Anyone interested?  Anyone know of a public domain db that I can
> > get tweaks
> > already in a db?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
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> >
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Nov 29 14:02:35 2003
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:02:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOECJFOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3FC8FB5B.2090607@torchlake.com>

Well, here's a response:  YAY!!!!!

Like John B, I try to capture items I know will be of use to me 
sometime, and stash them in a folder somewhere - some things actually 
get into a database - some just sit in text files stashed in the folder. 
 Clearly, there is a need for something more robust, more integrated, 
more creative.  Thank you, JC for getting it started.  I will be very 
happy to contribute any little "tweak" I run across that you don't 
already have.

Now, back to the left-over turkey,
Tina

John W. Colby wrote:

>Nope.  That happens though.  There may not be a lot of interest.  Plus it's
>a holiday.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
>Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 11:51 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
>
>
>JC,
>Not a lot of posts lately so I'm just a wondering if I'm seeing them all.
>
>Has anyone else responded to this post?
>
>JB
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
>>Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:20 AM
>>To: AccessD
>>Subject: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
>>
>>
>>Have ya ever... wished you had a place to store all the registry
>>tweaks you
>>run across?  I have run across so many things where they tell you to go to
>>the registry and set / clear / delete some entry.  I can NEVER remember
>>where I found the tweak, but I always remember I was supposed to do some
>>unnamed thing to make something happen.
>>
>>It all started with securing IIS.  An article I ran across gives a handful
>>of registry tweaks to tighten up security.  Of course I can use
>>regedit but
>>how blas?
>>
>>Well I just whipped out a little database to hold the key / value name /
>>value and a memo about the registry key, as well as a parent "topic" table
>>that lets me organize the entries by a topic of my choosing, complete with
>>memo.  At the moment you have to type the registry key / value
>>name / value
>>in, but once you do you can press a button and the entry is created in the
>>registry.  It uses a registry class for anyone interested in how to read /
>>write the registry (or doesn't want to write their own) courtesy of a VB
>>Techniques article written by Eric Smith on 3/29/2000.  I also use a few
>>withevent classes for those of you who want to see how I use Withevents to
>>run the basic forms.
>>
>>I may (probably will) eventually write code to back up an existing key
>>before modification, read registry chunks into the table etc.  Not there
>>yet.
>>
>>I think it would be cool to organize a huge "registry tweak"
>>database where
>>anyone interested gets this database and enters their favorite tweak, then
>>donates their tweaks to a pool.  I can take care of merging everyone's
>>tweaks into a single database and get the resulting pool up on my
>>web site.
>>
>>Anyone interested?  Anyone know of a public domain db that I can
>>get tweaks
>>already in a db?
>>
>>John W. Colby
>>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
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>>
>>    
>>
>
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From sgoodhall at comcast.net  Sat Nov 29 17:31:12 2003
From: sgoodhall at comcast.net (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:31:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Table Linking in Access 2000
In-Reply-To: <3FC8FB5B.2090607@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <GOEIJOAPGAMPLIOCMEPMAECGCOAA.sgoodhall@comcast.net>

I know that some of you picked up my Access97 routines that dynamically link
to back-end tables because I get an occasional question.  I finally got
around to rewriting them for Access2000, that is to use ADO rather than DAO
to create the links.  I have posted a sample database and documentation to
my web site, www.goodhall.info/steve.  Click on "Useful Software" on the
left frame and download the first item.  Feel free to use these subject to
the specified conditions which mostly consist of retaining the Copyright
notices.  As usual, there is no warranty expressed or implied.

Regards,

Steve Goodhall


From askolits at ot.com  Sat Nov 29 17:34:35 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:34:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKICEGLENAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFCEAFDJAA.askolits@ot.com>

Gee, and I thought it was just me and my browser. Great! Thanks for fixin'
it.

John Skolits


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....


Thanks for staying on top of that Drew, the searchable archives are a great
asset to this community.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 5:22 PM
> To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
>
>
> Apparently my 'indexer' hasn't been running since late september.  So
> searches on messages since then would have produced nothing.  Fixed the
> problem earlier today, and now the indexing is all caught up.  Oooops.
>
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From artful at rogers.com  Sun Nov 30 16:32:17 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 14:32:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database
In-Reply-To: <000401c3b5d3$91e189f0$7001a8c0@COA3>
Message-ID: <000001c3b791$d7319e40$6501a8c0@rock>

Thanks!

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Developer
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 9:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database


To "walk" all, you need something like:

Public Sub allyesno()
Dim d As DAO.Database
Dim t As DAO.TableDef
Dim f As DAO.Field

Set d = CurrentDb
For Each t In d.TableDefs
    
    For Each f In t.Fields
        If f.Type = dbBoolean Then
            ' DO STUFF
            Debug.Print f.Name
        End If
    Next 'f
Next 't
End Sub

- hth,
Steve




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 1:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database


Thanks for this. It's a start, but what I don't see is how I can apply
so that I can walk all the tables and all the fields, finding the Yes/No
fields without knowing their names beforehand, and then applying the
changes.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 3:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database


Arthur, 

This works in A97, DAO
Since I have made the first field "0;Yes", then "Yes"
becomes the default value for the field.

Public Function fnYesNo2CBO()
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Set db = CurrentDb
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "DisplayControl", 3, 111, 111
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "RowSourceType", dbText, "Value List", "Value List"
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "RowSource", dbText, "0;Yes;1;No", "0;Yes;1;No"
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "ColumnCount", 3, 2, 2
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "ColumnWidths", dbText, "0, 720", "0, 720"
    Set db = Nothing
End Function

Private Function SetAccessProperty(obj As Object, strName As String, _
        intType As Integer, varSetting As Variant, _
        Optional SetToWhat As String) As Boolean
    Dim prp As DAO.Property
    Const conPropNotFound As Integer = 3270

    On Error GoTo ErrorSetAccessProperty
    ' Explicitly refer to Properties collection.
    obj.Properties(strName) = varSetting
    obj.Properties.Refresh
    If SetToWhat <> "" Then
        obj.Properties(strName).Value = SetToWhat
        obj.Properties.Refresh
    End If
    SetAccessProperty = True
    
ExitSetAccessProperty:
    Exit Function
    
ErrorSetAccessProperty:
    If Err = conPropNotFound Then

' Create property, denote type, and set initial value.
        Set prp = obj.CreateProperty(strName, intType, varSetting)
        ' Append Property object to Properties collection.
        obj.Properties.append prp
        obj.Properties(strName).Value = SetToWhat
        obj.Properties.Refresh
        SetAccessProperty = True
        Resume ExitSetAccessProperty
    Else
        MsgBox Err & ": " & vbCrLf & Err.Description
        SetAccessProperty = False
        Resume ExitSetAccessProperty
    End If
End Function


Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 7:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database


> I've been working on this database lately, and I made all the Yes/No 
> fields CheckBoxes. Turns out the client hates CheckBoxes and wants 
> Yes/No combos instead. So I need a routine to walk every table and 
> change the properties of every Yes/No field from CheckBox to Combo + 
> Value List, "-1","Yes", "0","No", column count = 2, column widths = 
> 0".
> 
> Anyone got such a routine or something close that I can rework to suit

> my needs?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> 
> 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  1 00:31:35 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 01:31:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEJCFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I just thought I'd share a tip.

I build my own computers from parts.  About two years ago now I bought these
rather nice cases, bought motherboards with AMD 1333 mhz thunderbird procs
and used Thermaltake volcanoes in them plus 3 case fans (plus two in the
power supply).  Needless to say it was NOISY!!!

So noisy I couldn't hear a phone conversation.

I finally decided I'd had enough.  I found a HSF called the Thermaltake
Silent Boost.  NICE!  All copper, 80mm low noise fan.  Almost silent.  That
got rid of the jet engine sound from the 60mm 4500 rpm fans on the old HSF,
but the case fans were still pretty loud.  I was just about to order low
noise variable speed fans when I ran across this article:
http://www.cpemma.co.uk/7volt.html

I decided since it was free and immediate (I'm a right now kinda guy) I'd go
ahead and try it.  Essentially you build a cable (don't panic, it's easy)
that feeds 7 volts to the fan instead of the normal 12, which reduces the
fan speed (and air volume) which reduces the noise (and air volume).

As long as the remaining air volume is sufficient to keep the case cool all
is fine.  I have 3 case fans anyway, 1 intake and 2 exhaust.  It turns out
that the temperature on the proc went up from ~104 f to 107 f idle.  Not too
bad actually.  And the difference in noise between the new HSF and lower
voltage to the case fans is immense.  Not dead silent by any means but quiet
now instead of sounding like the cleaning lady with a vacuum in my ear.

Saved myself ~$40-$50 on new case fans.  Check it out, it worked for me.
http://www.cpemma.co.uk/7volt.html

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sat Nov  1 01:36:13 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:36:13 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

But switches have no sense in a 1 server environment because all of the
trafic goes and comes from one point.
Unless your clients are 100Mb and the uplink to the server is 1Gb.

People often believe switches will improve their network speed, but that
is not always the case.
But indeed the prices of the switches have dropped that you buy a switch
at the price of a good hub these days.

Erwin

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Got it. I think.  Switch can route packet based on IP address but can't
generate an IP address.  Yes?

Rocky


Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> It is sort of half-way, but not really.
>
> Switches are a "generation" better.  Hubs and
> switches, on their most basic level perform the same function.  They 
> distribute network traffic.  But HOW they distribute that traffic is 
> fundimentally different.
>
> Unless they're one of the newer layer 3 or layer 4
> switches, they cannot perform routing functions.  They
> just hand packets off from point A to point B.  Think
> of them as sort of a postman.  They have an address
> for each device on the network and they hand off each
> piece of mail to the appropriate address.  A hub,
> using this sama analagy would deliver the same piece
> of mail to every house and the one that it belonged to
> would be the one that actually reads it.
>
> --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > "but it's as close as I could think of without
> > getting too technical."
> >
> > Thank you.  Much appreciated.  So a switch is like
> > halfway between a hub and
> > a router?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> >
> >
> > > A router and a switch are fundimentall different
> > > things.
> > >
> > > A router does just that.  It routes network
> > traffic.
> > >
> > > A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.
> > >
> > > Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and layer 4
> > > ones can perform both functions.This isn't an
> > exact
> > > definition, but it's as close as I could think of
> > > without getting too technical.
> > >
> > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Is there a difference between a switch and a
> > router?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > (sort
> > > > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any
> > > > device
> > > > > or server connected to your LAN that's not a workstation and 
> > > > > is virtually always on.
> > > > >
> > > > > For the price, I would also highly recommend
> > > > removing
> > > > > all hubs from your network and using them as doorstops.  
> > > > > Switches have come way down in
> > price
> > > > and
> > > > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.
> > Thus
> > > > if
> > > > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports
> > that
> > > > are
> > > > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch,
> > each
> > > > > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's not including the security issues
> > inherent
> > > > with
> > > > > hubs as they broadcast all available data to
> > all
> > > > > available ports rather than to the proper
> > > > destination
> > > > > port.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and SUPPOSEDLY hubs,

> > > > > > though I had no joy doing that with my old hub.  I am
> > however
> > > > daisy
> > > > > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > > > > router off of my new 4 port wireless router.
> > > > The
> > > > > > newer models even figure
> > > > > > out what kind of cable you are using,
> > crossover
> > > > or
> > > > > > regular.  The biggest
> > > > > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp
> > > > server
> > > > > > so I had to turn off the
> > > > > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I
> > > > also
> > > > > > hardwired the address of
> > > > > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy
> > Chaining
> > > > two 4
> > > > > > port routers isn't a
> > > > > > panacea however since you now end up using
> > two
> > > > ports
> > > > > > just for the daisy
> > > > > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I
> > also
> > > > > > have a wireless so I can
> > > > > > get my laptop in through that and could also
> > get
> > > > > > other computers in if
> > > > > > needed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to
> > use
> > > > the
> > > > > > internet to "call in"
> > > > > > for programming.  I had to snake a cable
> > down
> > > > the
> > > > > > wall from the living room
> > > > > > (luckily exactly over my office in the
> > > > basement).  I
> > > > > > understand that the
> > > > > > model II has USB ports that can
> > automatically
> > > > use
> > > > > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > > > > connect to the internet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John W. Colby
> > > > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > >
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > > > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > > > (sort
> > > > > > of)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off
> > one of
> > > > the
> > > > > > ports on your router to
> > > > > > get more ports and that you can go up to 255
> > > > devices
> > > > > > from one router this
> > > > > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've also found that when creating a new
> > network
> > > > it
> > > > > > sometimes takes a few
> > > > > > minutes for the different shared devices to
> > > > 'see'
> > > > > > each other - especially on
> > > > > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around
> > frustrated
> > > > > > trying to get the network to
> > > > > > work and then have the same experience you
> > had -
> > > > > > after a few minutes,
> > > > > > suddenly the other machines are in my
> > network
> > > > > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rocky
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "John Colby"
> > <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > > > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)" 
> > > > > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>; "AccessD" 
> > > > > > <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > (sort
> > > > of)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless
> > router a
> > > > > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > > > > needed
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov  1 04:13:15 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 11:13:15 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] You don't need perfect code to avoid security problems
In-Reply-To: <3FA2E88F.10808@verizon.net>
References: <3FA2E88F.10808@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1954072515.20031101111315@cactus.dk>

Hi Francisco

I think you need to leave Users and Groups and which users are members
of which groups, UserGroups, as is.

Then build a set of tables for Apps and Attributes where Apps is a
list of your Apps and Attributes are whatever security or user
property (menus, printer options, default colourset and language,
saved options for the user, whatever) that could be assigned a user of
an app. 

Now you can build Roles (Admin, Clerk, Student, etc.) which for every
App can be assigned a selection of Attributes.

Finally, build UserRoles and GroupRoles to connect users and groups
with apps and attributes.
When a user logs in, check UserRoles as well as UserGroups/GroupRoles
to retrieve the current attributes (including security) for the
current app for this user.

This, of course, assumes that one attribute cannot negate another;
otherwise things get very complicated.

/gustav


> In the company I work for, we are gearing up to deliver a full blown
> Upgrade to our current Department System.  It is currently in Access 97 
> and we've already been handeling the growing pains w/ normalizing the 
> data and upsizing it to Sql Server 2000.  The 2nd part is a little more 
> critical because it deals w/ Security and because eventually all this 
> will auto-synchronize as a distributed application, but I digress.

> A common Security Topology follows this type of table format

> Users (1-many) UserGroups (many-1) Groups

> But what if the database needed to handel security for multiple 
> applications. Would it then be more Along the lines of

> Users (1-many) UserApp (many-1) Apps (1-many) Groups

> The reason I ask, is because already I'm receiving a list of possible 
> "GROUP/Role" names of what each application will use.  Commonalities are 
> ADMIN and Clerk or Guest. 


From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Sat Nov  1 09:22:56 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 07:22:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <20031101152256.92373.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com>

Switches will ALWAYS improve your speed over hubs.
Period.

Hubs SHARE the same bandwidth on all ports.  Switches
allocate the max bandwidth per port.

You are incorrect.

--- Erwin Craps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> But switches have no sense in a 1 server environment
> because all of the
> trafic goes and comes from one point.
> Unless your clients are 100Mb and the uplink to the
> server is 1Gb.
> 
> People often believe switches will improve their
> network speed, but that
> is not always the case.
> But indeed the prices of the switches have dropped
> that you buy a switch
> at the price of a good hub these days.
> 
> Erwin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:55 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> Got it. I think.  Switch can route packet based on
> IP address but can't
> generate an IP address.  Yes?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> > It is sort of half-way, but not really.
> >
> > Switches are a "generation" better.  Hubs and
> > switches, on their most basic level perform the
> same function.  They 
> > distribute network traffic.  But HOW they
> distribute that traffic is 
> > fundimentally different.
> >
> > Unless they're one of the newer layer 3 or layer 4
> > switches, they cannot perform routing functions. 
> They
> > just hand packets off from point A to point B. 
> Think
> > of them as sort of a postman.  They have an
> address
> > for each device on the network and they hand off
> each
> > piece of mail to the appropriate address.  A hub,
> > using this sama analagy would deliver the same
> piece
> > of mail to every house and the one that it
> belonged to
> > would be the one that actually reads it.
> >
> > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > "but it's as close as I could think of without
> > > getting too technical."
> > >
> > > Thank you.  Much appreciated.  So a switch is
> like
> > > halfway between a hub and
> > > a router?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:36 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> (sort
> > > of)
> > >
> > >
> > > > A router and a switch are fundimentall
> different
> > > > things.
> > > >
> > > > A router does just that.  It routes network
> > > traffic.
> > > >
> > > > A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.
> > > >
> > > > Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and
> layer 4
> > > > ones can perform both functions.This isn't an
> > > exact
> > > > definition, but it's as close as I could think
> of
> > > > without getting too technical.
> > > >
> > > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Is there a difference between a switch and a
> > > router?
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and
> problem
> > > > > solving"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > > (sort
> > > > > of)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of
> any
> > > > > device
> > > > > > or server connected to your LAN that's not
> a workstation and 
> > > > > > is virtually always on.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For the price, I would also highly
> recommend
> > > > > removing
> > > > > > all hubs from your network and using them
> as doorstops.  
> > > > > > Switches have come way down in
> > > price
> > > > > and
> > > > > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all
> ports.
> > > Thus
> > > > > if
> > > > > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports
> > > that
> > > > > are
> > > > > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A
> switch,
> > > each
> > > > > > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's not including the security issues
> > > inherent
> > > > > with
> > > > > > hubs as they broadcast all available data
> to
> > > all
> > > > > > available ports rather than to the proper
> > > > > destination
> > > > > > port.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- John Colby
> <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers
> and SUPPOSEDLY hubs,
> 
> > > > > > > though I had no joy doing that with my
> old hub.  I am
> > > however
> > > > > daisy
> > > > > > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > > > > > router off of my new 4 port wireless
> router.
> > > > > The
> > > > > > > newer models even figure
> > > > > > > out what kind of cable you are using,
> > > crossover
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > regular.  The biggest
> > > > > > > issue there was that the router was the
> dhcp
> > > > > server
> > > > > > > so I had to turn off the
> > > > > > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the
> new.  I
> > > > > also
> > > > > > > hardwired the address of
> > > > > > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy
> > > Chaining
> > > > > two 4
> 
=== message truncated ===


From john at winhaven.net  Sat Nov  1 09:46:18 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 09:46:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEJCFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEKJEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

JC,
You might find this as ironic as I do. I have a Compaq w4000 SCSI
workstation (very fast BTW) that has a BIOS setting for the hard drive:
Fast/Quiet.

Of course I choose fast and yes, it is very noisy (when I have the door to
my "bullpen" open).
:o)

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:32 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
>
>
> I just thought I'd share a tip.
>
> I build my own computers from parts.  About two years ago now I
> bought these
> rather nice cases, bought motherboards with AMD 1333 mhz thunderbird procs
> and used Thermaltake volcanoes in them plus 3 case fans (plus two in the
> power supply).  Needless to say it was NOISY!!!
>
> So noisy I couldn't hear a phone conversation.
>
> I finally decided I'd had enough.  I found a HSF called the Thermaltake
> Silent Boost.  NICE!  All copper, 80mm low noise fan.  Almost
> silent.  That
> got rid of the jet engine sound from the 60mm 4500 rpm fans on
> the old HSF,
> but the case fans were still pretty loud.  I was just about to order low
> noise variable speed fans when I ran across this article:
> http://www.cpemma.co.uk/7volt.html
>
> I decided since it was free and immediate (I'm a right now kinda
> guy) I'd go
> ahead and try it.  Essentially you build a cable (don't panic, it's easy)
> that feeds 7 volts to the fan instead of the normal 12, which reduces the
> fan speed (and air volume) which reduces the noise (and air volume).
>
> As long as the remaining air volume is sufficient to keep the
> case cool all
> is fine.  I have 3 case fans anyway, 1 intake and 2 exhaust.  It turns out
> that the temperature on the proc went up from ~104 f to 107 f
> idle.  Not too
> bad actually.  And the difference in noise between the new HSF and lower
> voltage to the case fans is immense.  Not dead silent by any
> means but quiet
> now instead of sounding like the cleaning lady with a vacuum in my ear.
>
> Saved myself ~$40-$50 on new case fans.  Check it out, it worked for me.
> http://www.cpemma.co.uk/7volt.html
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  1 11:02:58 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:02:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEKAFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

In the process of making my computers quieter I moved a hard disk to my
wife's computer (let her listen to it!)  ;-).

Anyway, all it had on it was my ripped music collection which is played on
her computer anyway since it has the speakers now.  Unfortunately the path
to the music doesn't use MappedDrive:\Music, it uses jcolby-WS\Music.  Is
there anyway to tell Media Player to change where it is looking for these
things short of a new scan?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sat Nov  1 11:39:15 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:39:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEKAFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c3a09f$120d6da0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

JC

...simply copy your *wmbd files located in your C:\Documents and
Settings\YourUserName\Local Settings\ApplicationData\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\
folder over to the same folder under Mary's user directory.

...I'm using WXP and Media Player 9 but the same idea should work for W2K
...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:02 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music


> In the process of making my computers quieter I moved a hard disk to my
> wife's computer (let her listen to it!)  ;-).
>
> Anyway, all it had on it was my ripped music collection which is played on
> her computer anyway since it has the speakers now.  Unfortunately the path
> to the music doesn't use MappedDrive:\Music, it uses jcolby-WS\Music.  Is
> there anyway to tell Media Player to change where it is looking for these
> things short of a new scan?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  1 11:51:00 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:51:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
In-Reply-To: <001e01c3a09f$120d6da0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEKCFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

No, the music directory was a shared directory on my computer.  I shared the
Music Directory, then mapped it to M: on all of my computers.  Thus the
"path", instead of M:\someArtist ended up being jcolby-ws\SomeArtist.  IOW,
Windows media player didn't use the mapped drive as the path but the
workstation.  No se por que.

Mary's computer has always been the player, it just used to get the music
off of my computer across the net.  Now it is getting it off her own
computer (I moved that drive to her computer).  I thought if I shared the
Music directory and mapped it to M: Media player would just work.  But
NOOOOOOoooooooo.  The music itself is no longer on jcolby-ws it's on
mcolby-ws.

Why in the world it would use the workstation name instead of the mapped
drive is beyond me but it is damned annoying!  It is remotely possible that
I told it to search using the network neighborhood path but that doesn't
seem like something I would do.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music


JC

...simply copy your *wmbd files located in your C:\Documents and
Settings\YourUserName\Local Settings\ApplicationData\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\
folder over to the same folder under Mary's user directory.

...I'm using WXP and Media Player 9 but the same idea should work for W2K
...HTH :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:02 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music


> In the process of making my computers quieter I moved a hard disk to my
> wife's computer (let her listen to it!)  ;-).
>
> Anyway, all it had on it was my ripped music collection which is played on
> her computer anyway since it has the speakers now.  Unfortunately the path
> to the music doesn't use MappedDrive:\Music, it uses jcolby-WS\Music.  Is
> there anyway to tell Media Player to change where it is looking for these
> things short of a new scan?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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>


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  1 12:03:03 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:03:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
In-Reply-To: <3FA2ECB0.30B2FC4C@nanaimo.ark.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

In order to do a compact / repair everyone has to be out of the database,
meaning (more or less) no FEs are open.  After that, just use windows
scheduler to do a compact using command line switches.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:14 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact


Hey All
I have a program designed for a client that runs basically 24 hours a
day, 7 days a week collecting and processing data. Is it possible to
schedule a once weekly repair and compact operation on both the frontend
and backend (or even for now just the backend). There is a lag/idle time
between 1AM and 4AM, when no data is collected or processed. Any
direction to available code, ideas or programs would be appreciated.
Thank you.

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sat Nov  1 12:14:06 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:14:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEKCFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <003601c3a0a3$f07a82e0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...so why not open the file in notepad and do a replace all ...or just do
another scan :(

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:51 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music


> No, the music directory was a shared directory on my computer.  I shared
the
> Music Directory, then mapped it to M: on all of my computers.  Thus the
> "path", instead of M:\someArtist ended up being jcolby-ws\SomeArtist.
IOW,
> Windows media player didn't use the mapped drive as the path but the
> workstation.  No se por que.
>
> Mary's computer has always been the player, it just used to get the music
> off of my computer across the net.  Now it is getting it off her own
> computer (I moved that drive to her computer).  I thought if I shared the
> Music directory and mapped it to M: Media player would just work.  But
> NOOOOOOoooooooo.  The music itself is no longer on jcolby-ws it's on
> mcolby-ws.
>
> Why in the world it would use the workstation name instead of the mapped
> drive is beyond me but it is damned annoying!  It is remotely possible
that
> I told it to search using the network neighborhood path but that doesn't
> seem like something I would do.  ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:39 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
>
>
> JC
>
> ...simply copy your *wmbd files located in your C:\Documents and
> Settings\YourUserName\Local
Settings\ApplicationData\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\
> folder over to the same folder under Mary's user directory.
>
> ...I'm using WXP and Media Player 9 but the same idea should work for W2K
> ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:02 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
>
>
> > In the process of making my computers quieter I moved a hard disk to my
> > wife's computer (let her listen to it!)  ;-).
> >
> > Anyway, all it had on it was my ripped music collection which is played
on
> > her computer anyway since it has the speakers now.  Unfortunately the
path
> > to the music doesn't use MappedDrive:\Music, it uses jcolby-WS\Music.
Is
> > there anyway to tell Media Player to change where it is looking for
these
> > things short of a new scan?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sat Nov  1 12:24:38 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:24:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c3a0a5$6921b2d0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

http://www.mvps.org/access/modules/mdl0030.htm

...this link is to a sample A97 mdb on Dev's site that allows compact/repair
from within the current db ...it basically opens another Access instance
through automation, closes yours, compacts it, reopens it, and then closes
the 2nd instance  :)

...although the code works reliably, you'd probably be better off rewriting
it to use the Jet Compact/Repair Utility that subsequently came out which is
much, much more reliable imo than the standard A97 compact operation ...HTH
:)


William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:03 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact


> In order to do a compact / repair everyone has to be out of the database,
> meaning (more or less) no FEs are open.  After that, just use windows
> scheduler to do a compact using command line switches.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tony Septav
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:14 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
>
>
> Hey All
> I have a program designed for a client that runs basically 24 hours a
> day, 7 days a week collecting and processing data. Is it possible to
> schedule a once weekly repair and compact operation on both the frontend
> and backend (or even for now just the backend). There is a lag/idle time
> between 1AM and 4AM, when no data is collected or processed. Any
> direction to available code, ideas or programs would be appreciated.
> Thank you.
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
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From davesharpe2 at cox.net  Sat Nov  1 12:30:26 2003
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net (Dave Sharpe)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:30:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <004f01c3a0a6$388743f0$dd2f0a44@bcsext6137>

Tony

I use the "lite" ( free version ) of this that can't schedule; but , I
beleive that the "full"  version has scheduling

Access Maintainer developed by Gracemere Software http://www.gracemere.com

Dave



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:03 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact


In order to do a compact / repair everyone has to be out of the database,
meaning (more or less) no FEs are open.  After that, just use windows
scheduler to do a compact using command line switches.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:14 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact


Hey All
I have a program designed for a client that runs basically 24 hours a
day, 7 days a week collecting and processing data. Is it possible to
schedule a once weekly repair and compact operation on both the frontend
and backend (or even for now just the backend). There is a lag/idle time
between 1AM and 4AM, when no data is collected or processed. Any
direction to available code, ideas or programs would be appreciated.
Thank you.

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Nov  1 12:38:43 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:38:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
In-Reply-To: <13883919.1067710129957.JavaMail.root@sniper.marix.com>
Message-ID: <000301c3a0a7$637aca40$de1811d8@DanWaters>

To add on to John' suggestion, you can set up an automatic shutdown at a
certain time.  In a form which is always open (could be invisible), add a
timer event for 60 seconds (60,000 mseconds).  The timer event should check
to see if you have reached the log-out time.  Once you reach the log-out
time, display a pop-up form (not modal) to the user that they have X minutes
to finish their work.  Use the same timer event to count down the X minutes,
then Docmd.Quit in code.  You'll also need code in your startup form to
prevent users from logging in until after the compacting I done.

You could also do this weekly in the timer event by checking for the
specific day prior to forcing users out.

5 minutes later run the windows scheduler IAW John's instructions.

5 minutes later the code in your startup form should allow users to log in.

This gives users a forced 'break' of about 15 minutes.  

HTH,
Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact


In order to do a compact / repair everyone has to be out of the database,
meaning (more or less) no FEs are open.  After that, just use windows
scheduler to do a compact using command line switches.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:14 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact


Hey All
I have a program designed for a client that runs basically 24 hours a day, 7
days a week collecting and processing data. Is it possible to schedule a
once weekly repair and compact operation on both the frontend and backend
(or even for now just the backend). There is a lag/idle time between 1AM and
4AM, when no data is collected or processed. Any direction to available
code, ideas or programs would be appreciated. Thank you.

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  1 12:39:36 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:39:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
In-Reply-To: <003601c3a0a3$f07a82e0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEKFFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I tried opening it with notepad and it opened (it's 15 MBYTES however, but
it appears to be a database of some sort (not clear text).  The extension is
WMDB which sounds suspiciously like an access database so I tried to open it
with A2K.  "Unknown file format".  I'll try again with AXP.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music


...so why not open the file in notepad and do a replace all ...or just do
another scan :(

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:51 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music


> No, the music directory was a shared directory on my computer.  I shared
the
> Music Directory, then mapped it to M: on all of my computers.  Thus the
> "path", instead of M:\someArtist ended up being jcolby-ws\SomeArtist.
IOW,
> Windows media player didn't use the mapped drive as the path but the
> workstation.  No se por que.
>
> Mary's computer has always been the player, it just used to get the music
> off of my computer across the net.  Now it is getting it off her own
> computer (I moved that drive to her computer).  I thought if I shared the
> Music directory and mapped it to M: Media player would just work.  But
> NOOOOOOoooooooo.  The music itself is no longer on jcolby-ws it's on
> mcolby-ws.
>
> Why in the world it would use the workstation name instead of the mapped
> drive is beyond me but it is damned annoying!  It is remotely possible
that
> I told it to search using the network neighborhood path but that doesn't
> seem like something I would do.  ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:39 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
>
>
> JC
>
> ...simply copy your *wmbd files located in your C:\Documents and
> Settings\YourUserName\Local
Settings\ApplicationData\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\
> folder over to the same folder under Mary's user directory.
>
> ...I'm using WXP and Media Player 9 but the same idea should work for W2K
> ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:02 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
>
>
> > In the process of making my computers quieter I moved a hard disk to my
> > wife's computer (let her listen to it!)  ;-).
> >
> > Anyway, all it had on it was my ripped music collection which is played
on
> > her computer anyway since it has the speakers now.  Unfortunately the
path
> > to the music doesn't use MappedDrive:\Music, it uses jcolby-WS\Music.
Is
> > there anyway to tell Media Player to change where it is looking for
these
> > things short of a new scan?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
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From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com  Sun Nov  2 00:42:57 2003
From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 22:42:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 Repair and Compact
Message-ID: <3FA4A770.7BB08697@nanaimo.ark.com>

Hey All
Thanks John and William for your quick responses.
John this has to be a  no brainer (as far as the  employees are
concerned), as I already had a repair and compact option available when
they closed the frontend, but nobody  bothered to close the front end or
use the option (tried a warning also).
William I have looked at Dev's site, I will have to figure out how to
incorporate the repair and compact of the backend in the same routine.
I assume the Jet Repair/Compact utility is available from Microsoft.
Thanks again


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  1 12:49:37 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:49:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 Repair and Compact
In-Reply-To: <3FA4A770.7BB08697@nanaimo.ark.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEKGFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I'm thinking that you'll need to follow the suggestion to force the users
out of the database, just closing it down around their ears if they don't
get out.  Unfortunately people go home and leave things open.  No way out
but to force a close.

Once everyone is out, just do the compact.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tony Septav
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 1:43 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 Repair and Compact


Hey All
Thanks John and William for your quick responses.
John this has to be a  no brainer (as far as the  employees are
concerned), as I already had a repair and compact option available when
they closed the frontend, but nobody  bothered to close the front end or
use the option (tried a warning also).
William I have looked at Dev's site, I will have to figure out how to
incorporate the repair and compact of the backend in the same routine.
I assume the Jet Repair/Compact utility is available from Microsoft.
Thanks again

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From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com  Sat Nov  1 13:08:01 2003
From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:08:01 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 Repair and Compact
Message-ID: <3FA40491.9CB11425@nanaimo.ark.com>

Hey John
Mentioned to Dan, that one way around the problem, may be his automatic
shutdown suggestion (during the lag time).
Then Task Scheduler to run the repair and compact, then after a certain
time period have the Task Scheduler open the program again. Not as
pretty as automating but an alternative if need be.


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sat Nov  1 13:22:47 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 14:22:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEKFFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000801c3a0ad$88c27ea0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

JC

...open it in notepad and scan down past all the goobledy gook ...you'll
find a csv string listing of all your media information which can readily be
f&r'd in notepad.

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music


> I tried opening it with notepad and it opened (it's 15 MBYTES however, but
> it appears to be a database of some sort (not clear text).  The extension
is
> WMDB which sounds suspiciously like an access database so I tried to open
it
> with A2K.  "Unknown file format".  I'll try again with AXP.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:14 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
>
>
> ...so why not open the file in notepad and do a replace all ...or just do
> another scan :(
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:51 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
>
>
> > No, the music directory was a shared directory on my computer.  I shared
> the
> > Music Directory, then mapped it to M: on all of my computers.  Thus the
> > "path", instead of M:\someArtist ended up being jcolby-ws\SomeArtist.
> IOW,
> > Windows media player didn't use the mapped drive as the path but the
> > workstation.  No se por que.
> >
> > Mary's computer has always been the player, it just used to get the
music
> > off of my computer across the net.  Now it is getting it off her own
> > computer (I moved that drive to her computer).  I thought if I shared
the
> > Music directory and mapped it to M: Media player would just work.  But
> > NOOOOOOoooooooo.  The music itself is no longer on jcolby-ws it's on
> > mcolby-ws.
> >
> > Why in the world it would use the workstation name instead of the mapped
> > drive is beyond me but it is damned annoying!  It is remotely possible
> that
> > I told it to search using the network neighborhood path but that doesn't
> > seem like something I would do.  ;-)
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:39 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
> >
> >
> > JC
> >
> > ...simply copy your *wmbd files located in your C:\Documents and
> > Settings\YourUserName\Local
> Settings\ApplicationData\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\
> > folder over to the same folder under Mary's user directory.
> >
> > ...I'm using WXP and Media Player 9 but the same idea should work for
W2K
> > ...HTH :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:02 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
> >
> >
> > > In the process of making my computers quieter I moved a hard disk to
my
> > > wife's computer (let her listen to it!)  ;-).
> > >
> > > Anyway, all it had on it was my ripped music collection which is
played
> on
> > > her computer anyway since it has the speakers now.  Unfortunately the
> path
> > > to the music doesn't use MappedDrive:\Music, it uses jcolby-WS\Music.
> Is
> > > there anyway to tell Media Player to change where it is looking for
> these
> > > things short of a new scan?
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >
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> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> > >
> >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov  1 12:27:40 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 19:27:40 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Writing raw RTF document using VBA
In-Reply-To: <004901c39f36$185d8ba0$0300a8c0@print>
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29410@nnse14.nns.com>
 <5614351436.20030524150347@cactus.dk> <1429226064.20031031183338@cactus.dk>
 <004901c39f36$185d8ba0$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <5133737291.20031101192740@cactus.dk>

Hi Tom

Thanks Tom, I can follow your approach. However, I do have the ocx
running and bound to a memo field, thus I have the RTF memos build
(and users type them in). My only task is to concatenate these micro
documents into one RTF document.

The ocx should happily work with Access 97. If not, you may have it
inproperly registered.

Here is a utility I found many years ago; it is still on-line:

  http://www.sareleku.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=43

It will install the RichText ocx so you can work with even without the
Access Developer edition which is quite handy if you ever need to do
some work on-site at a client.

/gustav


>> The client has got new budgets and is again asking for this:
>> 
>> > My simple need (which I never got solved) was how to assemble an
>> > rtf-formatted field from many records (essentially each an rtf
>> > document) into one rtf document, stripping headers etc. from each
>> > record and adding a header etc. to the final document.
>> 
>> Does anybody have a clue how to attack it?

> Gustav..

> I use rtf in one of my projects in the way you describe and although my method is very clunky .... it works and has been for some years now .....If you discover a cleaner/less clunky way I for one
> would be very interested in hearing about it 

> My project is still using A97 and the biggest problem I found was the fact that the RTFocx will not bind directly to a table field or query so I had to use the control unbound and feed it from an
> rtf file on the hard drive .....whether this has changed in A2000 or A2002 I dont know   

> Hmm...the pasted text below (looks crap in my email client) is produced by the function below it ....the result is saved as an rtf text file and then fed to the rtf OCX at runtime. 

> Setting it up is failrly simple ....simply set up a document the way you would like to see it in wordpad (or any rtf editor) and then nip the rtf codes from the raw rext and wrap those around a
> variable in the function. the result of the rtf is below and then below that is the rtf code itself. Take RTFCODESTART from the start and then save as an rtf document to open in wordpad or similar.
> The last line (you will see it as 4) is a font I have built with the rating symbols we use and 4 happens to correspond to "M"rating (mature audience). 

> I wrote this very early in my (ahem!) development and I think if I was to write it now I would use case statements instead of if then else's and also store the rtf codes in a table. Then I would
> use a find replace function so that I could vary the text produced (similar to the way early word processors used to work to acheive bold text etc with tags) eg <@BOLD@>I want this to be
> bold<@/BOLD@> 

> I seem to remember you and I discussing this a few years ago Gustav.....
> Hope it helps 

> Regards

> Tom Keatley 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov  1 13:27:13 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 20:27:13 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Writing raw RTF document using VBA - Solved
In-Reply-To: <1429226064.20031031183338@cactus.dk>
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29410@nnse14.nns.com>
 <5614351436.20030524150347@cactus.dk> <1429226064.20031031183338@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <7837311130.20031101202713@cactus.dk>

Hi William, Tom

> The client has got new budgets and is again asking for this:

>> My simple need (which I never got solved) was how to assemble an
>> rtf-formatted field from many records (essentially each an rtf
>> document) into one rtf document, stripping headers etc. from each
>> record and adding a header etc. to the final document.

> Does anybody have a clue how to attack it?

> It is for assembling a catalogue where each item in Access has it own
> small description in formatted text (bold, underline, sub/sup script
> only) into one rtf document which are read by the dtp people.

> Basically the task is to strip the header and the tail from the small
> rtf strings, concatenation these, then adding one header and one tail
> to create one finished document.

I did a Google search on "concatenate" and "rtf" and located some new
hits, though mostly from nice people without a proven solution.

However, I noticed you can use the RichTextBox on its own without
having a control on a form:

<code snip>

  Dim rtf As RichTextBox
  Dim strRTF  As String
  
  Set rtf = New RichTextBox
  
  rtf.TextRTF = "Gustav"
  
  Debug.Print rtf.TextRTF
  
  Set rtf = Nothing

</code snip>

This will output:

<rtf>

{\rtf1\ansi\deff0{\fonttbl{\f0\fnil\fcharset0 MS Sans Serif;}}
\viewkind4\uc1\pard\lang1030\f0\fs17 Gustav
\par }

</rtf>

The nice thing with this control is that is has a much wider selection
of text controls than the ocx, for example, superscript and subscript.

By playing around with it I found out that the key to locate the
beginning of the body is the code \pard which seems to always exists;
then locate the following Space. This will skip the leading font
tables and coloursets and bunches of other useless info wrapped in
sets of curly brackets, {...}.

This works fine except if the first char of the body is a non-ascii
char; if so, RTF uses a single byte hex representation of the char and
omits the Space. As an example, this is the string for "?240":

<rtf\

{\rtf1\ansi\deff0{\fonttbl{\f0\fnil\fcharset0 MS Sans Serif;}}
\viewkind4\uc1\pard\lang1030\f0\fs17\'80240
\par }

</rtf>

Note the missing Space.

The escape sequence for such hex bytes is "\'". Thus you'll have
locate first the \pard control code then either a Space or the hex
escape sequence whatever comes first.

Following the body are some closing chars which may be "}" only or
this followed by a CrLf and perhaps a Chr(0). To remove these, one
must travel from the end of the document up to the last "}" and chop
the tail off.

The remaining part is the body which can be concatenated like any
other string with other RTF body strings. When done, apply a minimum
header and a closing "}" and write this to a file and your RTF
document is ready! And, as this is pure code with no ocx or fancy
utils it runs at flashing speed!

First, here's one solution for extracting the RTF body:

<code>

Public Function TrimTextBodyRTF(strTextRTF As String) As String

' Extract RTF body of full RTF formatted string.
'
' 2003-11-01. Gustav Brock. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  ' RTF escape char.
  Const cstrRTFEscape       As String = "\"
  ' RTF code identifying RTF control codes leading RTF body.
  Const cstrRTFBodyPointer  As String = cstrRTFEscape + "pard"
  ' Char identifying hex code for non-ascii char.
  Const cstrRTFByteChar     As String = "'"
  ' Header string for hex code for non-ascii char.
  Const cstrRTFByteHeader   As String = cstrRTFEscape + cstrRTFByteChar
  ' Char identifying start of RTF body if first RTF char is an ascii char.
  Const cstrRTFBodyHeader   As String = " "
  ' Char closing RTF body.
  Const cstrRTFBodyEnd      As String = "}"
  
  Dim strRTF                As String
  Dim strEnd                As String
  Dim lngPos                As Long
  Dim lngPosAsc             As Long
  Dim lngPosHex             As Long
  Dim lngEnd                As Long
  Dim lngLen                As Long
  Dim lngChr                As Long
  
  If Len(strTextRTF) > 0 Then
    ' Locate RTF body pointer.
    lngPos = InStr(strTextRTF, cstrRTFBodyPointer)
    If lngPos > 0 Then
      ' Locate start of body if first char is an ascii char.
      lngPosAsc = InStr(lngPos, strTextRTF, cstrRTFBodyHeader)
      ' Check if first char in RTF body is a non-ascii char.
      lngPosHex = InStr(lngPos, strTextRTF, cstrRTFByteHeader) - 1
      lngPos = 0
      If lngPosAsc > 0 Then
        If lngPosHex > 0 Then
          If lngPosHex < lngPosAsc Then
            lngPos = lngPosHex
          Else
            lngPos = lngPosAsc
          End If
        Else
          lngPos = lngPosAsc
        End If
      Else
        lngPos = lngPosHex
      End If
      If lngPos > 0 Then
        strRTF = Mid(strTextRTF, 1 + lngPos)
        ' Locate position of RTF end marker (closing bracket).
        lngChr = Asc(cstrRTFBodyEnd)
        lngLen = Len(strRTF)
        lngEnd = 1
        While Asc(Right(strRTF, lngEnd)) <> lngChr And lngEnd < lngLen
          lngEnd = lngEnd + 1
        Wend
        If lngEnd = lngLen Then
          ' RTF end marker was not found.
          lngPos = 0
        Else
          ' Calculate length of RTF body.
          lngPos = lngLen - lngEnd
        End If
        ' Trim RTF body.
        strRTF = Left(strRTF, lngPos)
      End If
    End If
  End If
  
  TrimTextBodyRTF = strRTF
  
End Function

</code>

Having reached this point it's a simple matter to assemble and write
the full RTF document (watch for line breaks):

<code>

Public Function ConcatenateTextRTF() As Boolean

' Concatenate RTF body strings to one fully formatted RTF file.
'
' Error handling is missing.
'
' 2003-11-01. Gustav Brock. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  ' RTF header.
  ' Adjust codepage and language code and font as needed.
  ' Append fontsize to \f0 if needed. "\fs16" for 8 points.
  Const cstrRTFBodyHeader As String = "{\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deflang1030\deff0{\fonttbl{\f0\fnil\fcharset0 Arial;}}\viewkind4\uc1\pard\f0 "
  ' RTF closing bracket.
  Const cstrRTFBodyEnd    As String = "}"
  ' Filename of finished RTF document.
  Const cstrRTFFile       As String = "c:\winnt\temp\test.rtf"
  
  Dim dbs                 As Database
  Dim rst                 As Recordset
  
  Dim strRTF              As String
  Dim intFile             As Integer
  
  Set dbs = CurrentDb
  Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset("Tabel1")

  ' Set RTF header.
  strRTF = cstrRTFBodyHeader
  ' Concatenate RTF bodies.
  With rst
    While .EOF = False
      If Not IsNull(!MemoRTF) Then
        strRTF = strRTF + TrimTextBodyRTF(!MemoRTF)
      End If
      .MoveNext
    Wend
    .Close
  End With
  ' Append RTF closing bracket.
  strRTF = strRTF + cstrRTFBodyEnd
  
  ' Write RTF file.
  intFile = FreeFile
  Open cstrRTFFile For Output As #intFile
  Print #intFile, strRTF
  Close #intFile

  Set rst = Nothing
  Set dbs = Nothing
  
  ConcatenateTextRTF = True
  
End Function

</code>

I'm pretty sure this won't be able concatenate any collection of RTF
documents whatever the size. But until further testing has been
carried out, I guess it will be able to concatenate a vast amount of
small RTF docs like those found and produced in an ocx controlled RTF
memobox.

/gustav


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  1 13:31:18 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 14:31:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
In-Reply-To: <000801c3a0ad$88c27ea0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEKIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Right you are.  Trying that now.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 2:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music


JC

...open it in notepad and scan down past all the goobledy gook ...you'll
find a csv string listing of all your media information which can readily be
f&r'd in notepad.

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music


> I tried opening it with notepad and it opened (it's 15 MBYTES however, but
> it appears to be a database of some sort (not clear text).  The extension
is
> WMDB which sounds suspiciously like an access database so I tried to open
it
> with A2K.  "Unknown file format".  I'll try again with AXP.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:14 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
>
>
> ...so why not open the file in notepad and do a replace all ...or just do
> another scan :(
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:51 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
>
>
> > No, the music directory was a shared directory on my computer.  I shared
> the
> > Music Directory, then mapped it to M: on all of my computers.  Thus the
> > "path", instead of M:\someArtist ended up being jcolby-ws\SomeArtist.
> IOW,
> > Windows media player didn't use the mapped drive as the path but the
> > workstation.  No se por que.
> >
> > Mary's computer has always been the player, it just used to get the
music
> > off of my computer across the net.  Now it is getting it off her own
> > computer (I moved that drive to her computer).  I thought if I shared
the
> > Music directory and mapped it to M: Media player would just work.  But
> > NOOOOOOoooooooo.  The music itself is no longer on jcolby-ws it's on
> > mcolby-ws.
> >
> > Why in the world it would use the workstation name instead of the mapped
> > drive is beyond me but it is damned annoying!  It is remotely possible
> that
> > I told it to search using the network neighborhood path but that doesn't
> > seem like something I would do.  ;-)
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:39 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
> >
> >
> > JC
> >
> > ...simply copy your *wmbd files located in your C:\Documents and
> > Settings\YourUserName\Local
> Settings\ApplicationData\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\
> > folder over to the same folder under Mary's user directory.
> >
> > ...I'm using WXP and Media Player 9 but the same idea should work for
W2K
> > ...HTH :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:02 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
> >
> >
> > > In the process of making my computers quieter I moved a hard disk to
my
> > > wife's computer (let her listen to it!)  ;-).
> > >
> > > Anyway, all it had on it was my ripped music collection which is
played
> on
> > > her computer anyway since it has the speakers now.  Unfortunately the
> path
> > > to the music doesn't use MappedDrive:\Music, it uses jcolby-WS\Music.
> Is
> > > there anyway to tell Media Player to change where it is looking for
> these
> > > things short of a new scan?
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sat Nov  1 15:00:02 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:00:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEKIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000401c3a0bb$1e93d840$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

....also KB 272116 has a transfer method if the f&r didn't work.

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music


> Right you are.  Trying that now.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 2:23 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
>
>
> JC
>
> ...open it in notepad and scan down past all the goobledy gook ...you'll
> find a csv string listing of all your media information which can readily
be
> f&r'd in notepad.
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:39 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
>
>
> > I tried opening it with notepad and it opened (it's 15 MBYTES however,
but
> > it appears to be a database of some sort (not clear text).  The
extension
> is
> > WMDB which sounds suspiciously like an access database so I tried to
open
> it
> > with A2K.  "Unknown file format".  I'll try again with AXP.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:14 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
> >
> >
> > ...so why not open the file in notepad and do a replace all ...or just
do
> > another scan :(
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:51 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
> >
> >
> > > No, the music directory was a shared directory on my computer.  I
shared
> > the
> > > Music Directory, then mapped it to M: on all of my computers.  Thus
the
> > > "path", instead of M:\someArtist ended up being jcolby-ws\SomeArtist.
> > IOW,
> > > Windows media player didn't use the mapped drive as the path but the
> > > workstation.  No se por que.
> > >
> > > Mary's computer has always been the player, it just used to get the
> music
> > > off of my computer across the net.  Now it is getting it off her own
> > > computer (I moved that drive to her computer).  I thought if I shared
> the
> > > Music directory and mapped it to M: Media player would just work.  But
> > > NOOOOOOoooooooo.  The music itself is no longer on jcolby-ws it's on
> > > mcolby-ws.
> > >
> > > Why in the world it would use the workstation name instead of the
mapped
> > > drive is beyond me but it is damned annoying!  It is remotely possible
> > that
> > > I told it to search using the network neighborhood path but that
doesn't
> > > seem like something I would do.  ;-)
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> > > Hindman
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:39 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
> > >
> > >
> > > JC
> > >
> > > ...simply copy your *wmbd files located in your C:\Documents and
> > > Settings\YourUserName\Local
> > Settings\ApplicationData\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\
> > > folder over to the same folder under Mary's user directory.
> > >
> > > ...I'm using WXP and Media Player 9 but the same idea should work for
> W2K
> > > ...HTH :)
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:02 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Windows Media Player path to music
> > >
> > >
> > > > In the process of making my computers quieter I moved a hard disk to
> my
> > > > wife's computer (let her listen to it!)  ;-).
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, all it had on it was my ripped music collection which is
> played
> > on
> > > > her computer anyway since it has the speakers now.  Unfortunately
the
> > path
> > > > to the music doesn't use MappedDrive:\Music, it uses
jcolby-WS\Music.
> > Is
> > > > there anyway to tell Media Player to change where it is looking for
> > these
> > > > things short of a new scan?
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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> >
>
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From wayne.warren at adelphia.net  Sat Nov  1 17:46:05 2003
From: wayne.warren at adelphia.net (Wayne Warren-Angelucci)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:46:05 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
References: <3FA2ECB0.30B2FC4C@nanaimo.ark.com>
Message-ID: <001801c3a0d2$50ecd320$6502a8c0@wayne>

Sure, check out the FMS product: Access Agent.  I use it for many clients to
schedule archive, compact, etc.  Works perfectly. (Google on FMS Agent)

-- Wayne

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Septav" <iggy at nanaimo.ark.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 3:13 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact


> Hey All
> I have a program designed for a client that runs basically 24 hours a
> day, 7 days a week collecting and processing data. Is it possible to
> schedule a once weekly repair and compact operation on both the frontend
> and backend (or even for now just the backend). There is a lag/idle time
> between 1AM and 4AM, when no data is collected or processed. Any
> direction to available code, ideas or programs would be appreciated.
> Thank you.
>
>



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sat Nov  1 19:26:24 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 20:26:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MICROSOFT Activation policy
References: 	<E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29410@nnse14.nns.com><5614351436.20030524150347@cactus.dk><1429226064.20031031183338@cactus.dk><004901c39f36$185d8ba0$0300a8c0@print><5133737291.20031101192740@cactus.dk>
	<000701c3a009$1cf628b0$0300a8c0@print> <002501c3a00c$53fae870$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <000801c3a0e0$54a6ec90$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...the ODE actually contains two licenses, one desktop and one laptop ...I
hit the activation wall with MS at 5 but all I had to do was call them and
swear that I hadn't exceeded the number allowed and they gave me a new key
...no hassle really except for making the call :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Keatley" <tomk at multiline.com.au>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:08 PM
Subject: [AccessD] MICROSOFT Activation policy


> Hi all...
>
> I bought Office 2002 Developers Edition a couple of years ago which of
> course contained MS Activation and since that time I must have activated
it
> 3 or 4 times on different computers (I hasten to add that this was when I
> was UPDATING hardware and I only use the software on a single computer)
>
> Although I havent as yet had any problems with activation or my request
> being rejected it occurs to me that this at some point will happen and I
> wondered what others experience might be.
>
> Does MS have a number of activations before one is rejected? And what are
> the options if this happens?
>
> Regards
>
> Tom Keatley
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  1 20:50:19 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:50:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ID in MSysObjects
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKELBFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Does anyone have experience using the ID field in MSysObjects?

I assumed (bad, I know) that it was a PK and not reused.  I built a table of
form attributes, and pulled the ID from MSysObjects table by joining my
table name with the table name in MSysObjects, storing this ID in my table
so I would have a reference back to the object in Access' MSysObjects.
After a couple of weeks playing around (and ASSUMING my numbers were still
good) I started trying to use this ID.  I joined the ID in msysObjects with
the same FK in my table, and compared the name in my table with the name in
MSysObjects.  In many cases they matched, in others they aren't even the
same TYPE of object anymore.  The ID now belongs to a module instead of a
form.

WTFO?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  1 21:11:36 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 22:11:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ID in MSysObjects
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIELCFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Here's what I have discovered.

If you build an object. lets say a form.  It is issued a sequential number.
It is issued the LAST sequential number in a series.  If you create another
object, lets say another form.  It is issued the NEXT number in that
sequence.  If you delete the first form created, then add another object
(lets say a form) the new form is issued the LAST sequential number, and a
hole exists where the deleted object was.  If you now delete all objects
back to that hole, the next object created is issued the LAST sequential
number, i.e. it is issued the number of the form that was deleted that
created the hold.

IOW, these IDs are NOT like an autonumber where they just go up.  They
cannot be counted on to be assigned to some object and never reused, in fact
they can be counted on being reused as you add and delete objects.  The next
object created gets the next available number.

What a PITA for my purposes!  In fact, the ID may very well be useless for
my purposes.

My problem:  I create a record in a table of my own design called
MSysTables.  It contains the name of the table and an ID from MSysObjects of
the object that has that ID at this moment.  Now... if the designer renames
the table, MSysObjects correctly updates the same record (same ID) with the
new name.  My intention was to use that ID as a "link back" to my own table
whenever an object was renamed.  However... if a developer DELETES that
object, AND IT IS THE LAST ID IN THE SERIES, when they create the next
object it gets that old ID.  Thus now my ID in my table points to a
completely different object, perhaps not even the same kind.  It could now
be a query or a report!

Holy crap batman, how do I track name changes?


John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sat Nov  1 21:14:33 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 22:14:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ID in MSysObjects
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKELBFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <021101c3a0ef$7140b5c0$6401a8c0@default>

John,

It seems like you might be missing MSysObjects.Type?
----
The List of Forms  -
SELECT MSysObjects.Id, MSysObjects.Name _
FROM MSysObjects WHERE (((MSysObjects.Type)=-32768));

The List of reports -
SELECT MSysObjects.Id, MSysObjects.Name _
FROM MSysObjects WHERE (((MSysObjects.Type)=-32764));

The List of Macros -
SELECT MSysObjects.Id, MSysObjects.Name _
FROM MSysObjects WHERE (((MSysObjects.Type)=-32766));

The List of Modules -
SELECT MSysObjects.Id, MSysObjects.Name _
FROM MSysObjects WHERE (((MSysObjects.Type)=-32761));

etc, etc, ...
----


Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 9:50 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ID in MSysObjects


> Does anyone have experience using the ID field in MSysObjects?
>
> I assumed (bad, I know) that it was a PK and not reused.  I built a table
of
> form attributes, and pulled the ID from MSysObjects table by joining my
> table name with the table name in MSysObjects, storing this ID in my table
> so I would have a reference back to the object in Access' MSysObjects.
> After a couple of weeks playing around (and ASSUMING my numbers were still
> good) I started trying to use this ID.  I joined the ID in msysObjects
with
> the same FK in my table, and compared the name in my table with the name
in
> MSysObjects.  In many cases they matched, in others they aren't even the
> same TYPE of object anymore.  The ID now belongs to a module instead of a
> form.
>
> WTFO?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  1 21:28:02 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 22:28:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ID in MSysObjects
In-Reply-To: <021101c3a0ef$7140b5c0$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAELDFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

No, Iknow about that.  I was hoping for a persistant ID that I could use to
track database objects.


John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 10:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ID in MSysObjects


John,

It seems like you might be missing MSysObjects.Type?
----
The List of Forms  -
SELECT MSysObjects.Id, MSysObjects.Name _
FROM MSysObjects WHERE (((MSysObjects.Type)=-32768));

The List of reports -
SELECT MSysObjects.Id, MSysObjects.Name _
FROM MSysObjects WHERE (((MSysObjects.Type)=-32764));

The List of Macros -
SELECT MSysObjects.Id, MSysObjects.Name _
FROM MSysObjects WHERE (((MSysObjects.Type)=-32766));

The List of Modules -
SELECT MSysObjects.Id, MSysObjects.Name _
FROM MSysObjects WHERE (((MSysObjects.Type)=-32761));

etc, etc, ...
----


Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 9:50 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ID in MSysObjects


> Does anyone have experience using the ID field in MSysObjects?
>
> I assumed (bad, I know) that it was a PK and not reused.  I built a table
of
> form attributes, and pulled the ID from MSysObjects table by joining my
> table name with the table name in MSysObjects, storing this ID in my table
> so I would have a reference back to the object in Access' MSysObjects.
> After a couple of weeks playing around (and ASSUMING my numbers were still
> good) I started trying to use this ID.  I joined the ID in msysObjects
with
> the same FK in my table, and compared the name in my table with the name
in
> MSysObjects.  In many cases they matched, in others they aren't even the
> same TYPE of object anymore.  The ID now belongs to a module instead of a
> form.
>
> WTFO?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sat Nov  1 22:12:08 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 23:12:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ID in MSysObjects
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAELDFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <021b01c3a0f7$896b6930$6401a8c0@default>

Running the documenter creates a table in an access MDT file
stored in your profile folder:
C:\Documents and Settings\YourName\Application Data\
Microsoft\Access\ACWZUSR.MDT

If you were to import doc_tblObjects and save it,
you might be able to do some comparision with it.
Maybe ...

Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 10:28 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ID in MSysObjects


> No, Iknow about that.  I was hoping for a persistant ID that I could use
to
> track database objects.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 10:15 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ID in MSysObjects
>
>
> John,
>
> It seems like you might be missing MSysObjects.Type?
> ----
> The List of Forms  -
> SELECT MSysObjects.Id, MSysObjects.Name _
> FROM MSysObjects WHERE (((MSysObjects.Type)=-32768));
>
> The List of reports -
> SELECT MSysObjects.Id, MSysObjects.Name _
> FROM MSysObjects WHERE (((MSysObjects.Type)=-32764));
>
> The List of Macros -
> SELECT MSysObjects.Id, MSysObjects.Name _
> FROM MSysObjects WHERE (((MSysObjects.Type)=-32766));
>
> The List of Modules -
> SELECT MSysObjects.Id, MSysObjects.Name _
> FROM MSysObjects WHERE (((MSysObjects.Type)=-32761));
>
> etc, etc, ...
> ----
>
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 9:50 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] ID in MSysObjects
>
>
> > Does anyone have experience using the ID field in MSysObjects?
> >
> > I assumed (bad, I know) that it was a PK and not reused.  I built a
table
> of
> > form attributes, and pulled the ID from MSysObjects table by joining my
> > table name with the table name in MSysObjects, storing this ID in my
table
> > so I would have a reference back to the object in Access' MSysObjects.
> > After a couple of weeks playing around (and ASSUMING my numbers were
still
> > good) I started trying to use this ID.  I joined the ID in msysObjects
> with
> > the same FK in my table, and compared the name in my table with the name
> in
> > MSysObjects.  In many cases they matched, in others they aren't even the
> > same TYPE of object anymore.  The ID now belongs to a module instead of
a
> > form.
> >
> > WTFO?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sun Nov  2 02:36:16 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 09:36:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F1@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

The weakest link in a network will decide the bandwith.

If you only have one server all trafic goes to and comes from one link.
If that link is the same speed as the clients link a switch is of no
use. You gonna have a bottleneck.

Again, switch are very good but you must have a different server speed
link OR multiple servers. By that your bandwith gets divided over
multiple or higer speed links.

Switches are useles (for reaons of speed) in a single server and only 1
speed link.

It's a basic rule of a switch!!!

Erwin


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Frank Tanner III
Verzonden: zaterdag 1 november 2003 16:23
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Switches will ALWAYS improve your speed over hubs.
Period.

Hubs SHARE the same bandwidth on all ports.  Switches
allocate the max bandwidth per port.

You are incorrect.

--- Erwin Craps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> But switches have no sense in a 1 server environment
> because all of the
> trafic goes and comes from one point.
> Unless your clients are 100Mb and the uplink to the
> server is 1Gb.
> 
> People often believe switches will improve their
> network speed, but that
> is not always the case.
> But indeed the prices of the switches have dropped
> that you buy a switch
> at the price of a good hub these days.
> 
> Erwin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:55 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> Got it. I think.  Switch can route packet based on
> IP address but can't
> generate an IP address.  Yes?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> > It is sort of half-way, but not really.
> >
> > Switches are a "generation" better.  Hubs and
> > switches, on their most basic level perform the
> same function.  They
> > distribute network traffic.  But HOW they
> distribute that traffic is
> > fundimentally different.
> >
> > Unless they're one of the newer layer 3 or layer 4 switches, they 
> > cannot perform routing functions.
> They
> > just hand packets off from point A to point B.
> Think
> > of them as sort of a postman.  They have an
> address
> > for each device on the network and they hand off
> each
> > piece of mail to the appropriate address.  A hub,
> > using this sama analagy would deliver the same
> piece
> > of mail to every house and the one that it
> belonged to
> > would be the one that actually reads it.
> >
> > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > "but it's as close as I could think of without
> > > getting too technical."
> > >
> > > Thank you.  Much appreciated.  So a switch is
> like
> > > halfway between a hub and
> > > a router?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:36 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> (sort
> > > of)
> > >
> > >
> > > > A router and a switch are fundimentall
> different
> > > > things.
> > > >
> > > > A router does just that.  It routes network
> > > traffic.
> > > >
> > > > A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.
> > > >
> > > > Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and
> layer 4
> > > > ones can perform both functions.This isn't an
> > > exact
> > > > definition, but it's as close as I could think
> of
> > > > without getting too technical.
> > > >
> > > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Is there a difference between a switch and a
> > > router?
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and
> problem
> > > > > solving"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > > (sort
> > > > > of)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of
> any
> > > > > device
> > > > > > or server connected to your LAN that's not
> a workstation and
> > > > > > is virtually always on.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For the price, I would also highly
> recommend
> > > > > removing
> > > > > > all hubs from your network and using them
> as doorstops.
> > > > > > Switches have come way down in
> > > price
> > > > > and
> > > > > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all
> ports.
> > > Thus
> > > > > if
> > > > > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports
> > > that
> > > > > are
> > > > > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A
> switch,
> > > each
> > > > > > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's not including the security issues
> > > inherent
> > > > > with
> > > > > > hubs as they broadcast all available data
> to
> > > all
> > > > > > available ports rather than to the proper
> > > > > destination
> > > > > > port.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- John Colby
> <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers
> and SUPPOSEDLY hubs,
> 
> > > > > > > though I had no joy doing that with my
> old hub.  I am
> > > however
> > > > > daisy
> > > > > > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > > > > > router off of my new 4 port wireless
> router.
> > > > > The
> > > > > > > newer models even figure
> > > > > > > out what kind of cable you are using,
> > > crossover
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > regular.  The biggest
> > > > > > > issue there was that the router was the
> dhcp
> > > > > server
> > > > > > > so I had to turn off the
> > > > > > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the
> new.  I
> > > > > also
> > > > > > > hardwired the address of
> > > > > > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy
> > > Chaining
> > > > > two 4
> 
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Sun Nov  2 02:38:43 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 09:38:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F2@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

And to be correct, switches don't improve speed (compared to hub's) they
improve bandwith and reduce collisions!!!
Switches create virtual point to point connections.

Switches do improve speed compared to routers.

Erwin

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Frank Tanner III
Verzonden: zaterdag 1 november 2003 16:23
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Switches will ALWAYS improve your speed over hubs.
Period.

Hubs SHARE the same bandwidth on all ports.  Switches
allocate the max bandwidth per port.

You are incorrect.

--- Erwin Craps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> But switches have no sense in a 1 server environment
> because all of the
> trafic goes and comes from one point.
> Unless your clients are 100Mb and the uplink to the
> server is 1Gb.
> 
> People often believe switches will improve their
> network speed, but that
> is not always the case.
> But indeed the prices of the switches have dropped
> that you buy a switch
> at the price of a good hub these days.
> 
> Erwin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:55 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> Got it. I think.  Switch can route packet based on
> IP address but can't
> generate an IP address.  Yes?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> > It is sort of half-way, but not really.
> >
> > Switches are a "generation" better.  Hubs and
> > switches, on their most basic level perform the
> same function.  They
> > distribute network traffic.  But HOW they
> distribute that traffic is
> > fundimentally different.
> >
> > Unless they're one of the newer layer 3 or layer 4 switches, they 
> > cannot perform routing functions.
> They
> > just hand packets off from point A to point B.
> Think
> > of them as sort of a postman.  They have an
> address
> > for each device on the network and they hand off
> each
> > piece of mail to the appropriate address.  A hub,
> > using this sama analagy would deliver the same
> piece
> > of mail to every house and the one that it
> belonged to
> > would be the one that actually reads it.
> >
> > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > "but it's as close as I could think of without
> > > getting too technical."
> > >
> > > Thank you.  Much appreciated.  So a switch is
> like
> > > halfway between a hub and
> > > a router?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:36 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> (sort
> > > of)
> > >
> > >
> > > > A router and a switch are fundimentall
> different
> > > > things.
> > > >
> > > > A router does just that.  It routes network
> > > traffic.
> > > >
> > > > A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.
> > > >
> > > > Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and
> layer 4
> > > > ones can perform both functions.This isn't an
> > > exact
> > > > definition, but it's as close as I could think
> of
> > > > without getting too technical.
> > > >
> > > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Is there a difference between a switch and a
> > > router?
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and
> problem
> > > > > solving"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > > (sort
> > > > > of)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of
> any
> > > > > device
> > > > > > or server connected to your LAN that's not
> a workstation and
> > > > > > is virtually always on.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For the price, I would also highly
> recommend
> > > > > removing
> > > > > > all hubs from your network and using them
> as doorstops.
> > > > > > Switches have come way down in
> > > price
> > > > > and
> > > > > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all
> ports.
> > > Thus
> > > > > if
> > > > > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports
> > > that
> > > > > are
> > > > > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A
> switch,
> > > each
> > > > > > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's not including the security issues
> > > inherent
> > > > > with
> > > > > > hubs as they broadcast all available data
> to
> > > all
> > > > > > available ports rather than to the proper
> > > > > destination
> > > > > > port.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- John Colby
> <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers
> and SUPPOSEDLY hubs,
> 
> > > > > > > though I had no joy doing that with my
> old hub.  I am
> > > however
> > > > > daisy
> > > > > > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > > > > > router off of my new 4 port wireless
> router.
> > > > > The
> > > > > > > newer models even figure
> > > > > > > out what kind of cable you are using,
> > > crossover
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > regular.  The biggest
> > > > > > > issue there was that the router was the
> dhcp
> > > > > server
> > > > > > > so I had to turn off the
> > > > > > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the
> new.  I
> > > > > also
> > > > > > > hardwired the address of
> > > > > > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy
> > > Chaining
> > > > > two 4
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Nov  2 03:25:41 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 19:25:41 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
In-Reply-To: <3FA2ECB0.30B2FC4C@nanaimo.ark.com>
Message-ID: <3FA55A35.28453.260F272@localhost>

On 31 Oct 2003 at 15:13, Tony Septav wrote:

> Hey All
> I have a program designed for a client that runs basically 24 hours a
> day, 7 days a week collecting and processing data. Is it possible to
> schedule a once weekly repair and compact operation on both the frontend
> and backend (or even for now just the backend). There is a lag/idle time
> between 1AM and 4AM, when no data is collected or processed. Any
> direction to available code, ideas or programs would be appreciated.
> Thank you.
> 

How about a timer which periodically checks the date/time.
If it's Sunday 2.00am or whenever, shell to a batch file and close 
the app.

In the batch file open another one that waits for a while then 
compacts and repairs the first one and  re-opens it. 





 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  2 04:11:42 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 11:11:42 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
In-Reply-To: <3FA2ECB0.30B2FC4C@nanaimo.ark.com>
References: <3FA2ECB0.30B2FC4C@nanaimo.ark.com>
Message-ID: <765336573.20031102111142@cactus.dk>

Hi Tony

> I have a program designed for a client that runs basically 24 hours a
> day, 7 days a week collecting and processing data. Is it possible to
> schedule a once weekly repair and compact operation on both the frontend
> and backend (or even for now just the backend). There is a lag/idle time
> between 1AM and 4AM, when no data is collected or processed. Any
> direction to available code, ideas or programs would be appreciated.
> Thank you.

1. If you write protect the front end database file (before launching
it) there's no need to compact it as, in that case, Access's temporary
data always will be written to external files.

2. If you don't have any open connections from the front end to the
back end, you can safely open the back end in a separate workspace and
compact it. To make sure that no other app has open connections to the
back end, let your compacting app open the back end exclusively; if
this fails don't continue.

3. Don't apply Repair for routine maintenance. This is a general
advice not invented by me, but I've never seen a need for it except
for corrupted database files and then JetComp.exe is a better first
attempt.

Re. 1. Write protecting an app will cause a message about this to pop
up at launch. This can be avoided by running the app from a runtime
installation.

Re. 2. The difficult part is not to compact the database file - it's a
couple of code lines only. The critical part is to create and keep
track of backup files in case something fails. 

Here's a function which handles this. It is a part of a solution which
has run for several years and also handles archiving to a cab or zip
file and ftp'ing this to a remote server. The backup routine is
triggered by a timer function on the main form.

<code>

Public Function DatabaseCompact( _
  ByVal strDataFile As String) As Boolean
  
  Const cbooDbOpenExclusive As Boolean = True
  Const cbooDbOpenReadOnly  As Boolean = True
  Const cbytDbFileExtLength As Byte = 3
  Const cstrDbFileExtBackup As String * cbytDbFileExtLength = "mdk"
  Const cstrDbFileExtTemp   As String * cbytDbFileExtLength = "tmp"
  
  Dim wks             As Workspace
  Dim dbs             As Database
  
  Dim strBackFile     As String
  Dim strTempFile     As String
  Dim strDataFilePath As String
  Dim strDataFileName As String
  Dim intDataFileName As Integer
  Dim booClosed       As Boolean
  Dim booSuccess      As Boolean
  
  On Error GoTo Err_DatabaseCompact
  
  strDataFileName = Dir(strDataFile, vbNormal)
  intDataFileName = Len(strDataFileName)
  If intDataFileName = 0 Then
    ' No data file to process.
  Else
    ' Data file exists.
    strDataFilePath = Left(strDataFile, Len(strDataFile) - intDataFileName)
    strBackFile = Left(strDataFile, Len(strDataFile) - cbytDbFileExtLength) & cstrDbFileExtBackup
    strTempFile = Left(strDataFile, Len(strDataFile) - cbytDbFileExtLength) & cstrDbFileExtTemp
    Set wks = DBEngine(0)
    Set dbs = wks.OpenDatabase(strDataFile, cbooDbOpenExclusive, cbooDbOpenReadOnly)
    ' No error. Database file can be opened exclusively, thus no open connections.
    ' Keep it open to prevent access from other users while compacting it.
    If Len(Dir(strBackFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
      ' Delete old backup file.
      Kill strBackFile
    End If
    If Len(Dir(strBackFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
      ' Old backup file could not be deleted.
    Else
      ' Create copy for further processing.
      FileCopy strDataFile, strBackFile
      If Len(Dir(strBackFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
        If Len(Dir(strTempFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
          ' Kill left-over temp file.
          Kill strTempFile
        End If
        If Len(Dir(strTempFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
          ' Old temp file could not be deleted.
        Else
          ' Compact backup file to a temporary file.
          DBEngine.CompactDatabase strBackFile, strTempFile, dbLangNorwDan
          If Len(Dir(strTempFile, vbNormal)) = 0 Then
            ' Compact failed somehow.
          Else
            ' Temporary file was created.
            ' Close database and delete current data file leaving backup file.
            dbs.Close
            booClosed = True
            Kill strDataFile
            If Len(Dir(strDataFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
              ' Current data file was not deleted.
              ' Clean up.
              Kill strTempFile
            Else
              ' Current data file is gone.
              ' Rename temporary data file as new data file.
              Name strTempFile As strDataFile
              If Len(Dir(strDataFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
                ' Temporary file was renamed successfully.
                ' Check that the data file can be opened and recognized.
                Set dbs = wks.OpenDatabase(strDataFile, cbooDbOpenExclusive, cbooDbOpenReadOnly)
                booClosed = False
                dbs.Close
                booClosed = True
                booSuccess = True
              End If
            End If
          End If
        End If
      End If
    End If
    If booClosed = False Then
      dbs.Close
    End If
    If booSuccess = False Then
      ' For some reason something failed.
      If Len(Dir(strDataFile, vbNormal)) = 0 Then
        ' Data file is lost.
        ' Copy back the backup file if it exists.
        If Len(Dir(strBackFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
          FileCopy strBackFile, strDataFile
        End If
      End If
    End If
  End If
  
  Set dbs = Nothing
  Set wks = Nothing
  
  DatabaseCompact = booSuccess
  
Exit_DatabaseCompact:
  Exit Function
  
Err_DatabaseCompact:
  MsgBox CStr(Err.Number) & ": " & Err.Description, vbCritical + vbOKOnly, "Database Compact"
  Resume Exit_DatabaseCompact
  
End Function

</code>

As always, beware of line breaks.

/gustav


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  2 07:53:42 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 08:53:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Weakest Link
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F1@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEMEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I have a client running about 25 Access FEs against an MDB BE.  He has a
single server, and of course must use a single server at least for the BE if
we don't get into replication.  The server is Windows NT, not even 2K.  He
just expanded into another wing of the building they rent and are going to
move one unit of the business (and database) into that wing.  Can he run
multiple NICS in Windows NT?  That would allow him to put a switch (or
router) on what would essentially be two different LANs.  They don't really
have any inter workstation traffic so this would probably work if NT can
deal with more than one NIC.  I know that they have (or had) bandwidth
issues because when they replaced a hub with a switch awhile back the
performance of the db improved.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 3:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


The weakest link in a network will decide the bandwith.

If you only have one server all trafic goes to and comes from one link.
If that link is the same speed as the clients link a switch is of no
use. You gonna have a bottleneck.

Again, switch are very good but you must have a different server speed
link OR multiple servers. By that your bandwith gets divided over
multiple or higer speed links.

Switches are useles (for reaons of speed) in a single server and only 1
speed link.

It's a basic rule of a switch!!!

Erwin



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  2 07:57:21 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 08:57:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
In-Reply-To: <765336573.20031102111142@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEMEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Gustav,

I was under the impression that Access stored query results etc internal to
the FE.  What happens if you write protect the FE?  You say temporary data
will be written to temporary files?  What does this mean?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 5:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact


Hi Tony

> I have a program designed for a client that runs basically 24 hours a
> day, 7 days a week collecting and processing data. Is it possible to
> schedule a once weekly repair and compact operation on both the frontend
> and backend (or even for now just the backend). There is a lag/idle time
> between 1AM and 4AM, when no data is collected or processed. Any
> direction to available code, ideas or programs would be appreciated.
> Thank you.

1. If you write protect the front end database file (before launching
it) there's no need to compact it as, in that case, Access's temporary
data always will be written to external files.

2. If you don't have any open connections from the front end to the
back end, you can safely open the back end in a separate workspace and
compact it. To make sure that no other app has open connections to the
back end, let your compacting app open the back end exclusively; if
this fails don't continue.

3. Don't apply Repair for routine maintenance. This is a general
advice not invented by me, but I've never seen a need for it except
for corrupted database files and then JetComp.exe is a better first
attempt.

Re. 1. Write protecting an app will cause a message about this to pop
up at launch. This can be avoided by running the app from a runtime
installation.

Re. 2. The difficult part is not to compact the database file - it's a
couple of code lines only. The critical part is to create and keep
track of backup files in case something fails.

Here's a function which handles this. It is a part of a solution which
has run for several years and also handles archiving to a cab or zip
file and ftp'ing this to a remote server. The backup routine is
triggered by a timer function on the main form.

<code>

Public Function DatabaseCompact( _
  ByVal strDataFile As String) As Boolean

  Const cbooDbOpenExclusive As Boolean = True
  Const cbooDbOpenReadOnly  As Boolean = True
  Const cbytDbFileExtLength As Byte = 3
  Const cstrDbFileExtBackup As String * cbytDbFileExtLength = "mdk"
  Const cstrDbFileExtTemp   As String * cbytDbFileExtLength = "tmp"

  Dim wks             As Workspace
  Dim dbs             As Database

  Dim strBackFile     As String
  Dim strTempFile     As String
  Dim strDataFilePath As String
  Dim strDataFileName As String
  Dim intDataFileName As Integer
  Dim booClosed       As Boolean
  Dim booSuccess      As Boolean

  On Error GoTo Err_DatabaseCompact

  strDataFileName = Dir(strDataFile, vbNormal)
  intDataFileName = Len(strDataFileName)
  If intDataFileName = 0 Then
    ' No data file to process.
  Else
    ' Data file exists.
    strDataFilePath = Left(strDataFile, Len(strDataFile) - intDataFileName)
    strBackFile = Left(strDataFile, Len(strDataFile) - cbytDbFileExtLength)
& cstrDbFileExtBackup
    strTempFile = Left(strDataFile, Len(strDataFile) - cbytDbFileExtLength)
& cstrDbFileExtTemp
    Set wks = DBEngine(0)
    Set dbs = wks.OpenDatabase(strDataFile, cbooDbOpenExclusive,
cbooDbOpenReadOnly)
    ' No error. Database file can be opened exclusively, thus no open
connections.
    ' Keep it open to prevent access from other users while compacting it.
    If Len(Dir(strBackFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
      ' Delete old backup file.
      Kill strBackFile
    End If
    If Len(Dir(strBackFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
      ' Old backup file could not be deleted.
    Else
      ' Create copy for further processing.
      FileCopy strDataFile, strBackFile
      If Len(Dir(strBackFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
        If Len(Dir(strTempFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
          ' Kill left-over temp file.
          Kill strTempFile
        End If
        If Len(Dir(strTempFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
          ' Old temp file could not be deleted.
        Else
          ' Compact backup file to a temporary file.
          DBEngine.CompactDatabase strBackFile, strTempFile, dbLangNorwDan
          If Len(Dir(strTempFile, vbNormal)) = 0 Then
            ' Compact failed somehow.
          Else
            ' Temporary file was created.
            ' Close database and delete current data file leaving backup
file.
            dbs.Close
            booClosed = True
            Kill strDataFile
            If Len(Dir(strDataFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
              ' Current data file was not deleted.
              ' Clean up.
              Kill strTempFile
            Else
              ' Current data file is gone.
              ' Rename temporary data file as new data file.
              Name strTempFile As strDataFile
              If Len(Dir(strDataFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
                ' Temporary file was renamed successfully.
                ' Check that the data file can be opened and recognized.
                Set dbs = wks.OpenDatabase(strDataFile, cbooDbOpenExclusive,
cbooDbOpenReadOnly)
                booClosed = False
                dbs.Close
                booClosed = True
                booSuccess = True
              End If
            End If
          End If
        End If
      End If
    End If
    If booClosed = False Then
      dbs.Close
    End If
    If booSuccess = False Then
      ' For some reason something failed.
      If Len(Dir(strDataFile, vbNormal)) = 0 Then
        ' Data file is lost.
        ' Copy back the backup file if it exists.
        If Len(Dir(strBackFile, vbNormal)) > 0 Then
          FileCopy strBackFile, strDataFile
        End If
      End If
    End If
  End If

  Set dbs = Nothing
  Set wks = Nothing

  DatabaseCompact = booSuccess

Exit_DatabaseCompact:
  Exit Function

Err_DatabaseCompact:
  MsgBox CStr(Err.Number) & ": " & Err.Description, vbCritical + vbOKOnly,
"Database Compact"
  Resume Exit_DatabaseCompact

End Function

</code>

As always, beware of line breaks.

/gustav

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  2 08:19:14 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:19:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEMEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEMEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <6520188649.20031102151914@cactus.dk>

Hi John

> I was under the impression that Access stored query results etc internal to
> the FE.

Yes, within certain limits which I'm not aware of. Beyond that - say
for running a large query - temp data are always stored in temp files.

> What happens if you write protect the FE?  You say temporary data
> will be written to temporary files?  What does this mean?

Exactly that. Access seems to be clever enough to realize when the FE
is run write protected - which happens, say, when you open it directly
from a cd-rom. Then temp data goes to the temp folder where they truly
belong. 
Also, saving reports with weird printer settings are avoided this way.

Of course, write protecting the file cannot be used if you write to
internal tables. But - as you know - it is very simple to create a
temporary database if you need to write some data which should not go
into the BE file.
On the other hand write protection, by definition, effectively stops
any bloating or corruption of the FE. 

/gustav


From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Sun Nov  2 08:35:04 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 06:35:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F2@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <20031102143504.25706.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com>

And they improve speed.

Because they do not SHARE the bandwidth amongst the
ports.  A 10-BaseT hub SHARES that speed amongst the
available ports.  This dividing the individual
bandwidth per port.

A switch allocates all available bandwidth on a PER
PORT basis.

Maybe you need to learn what you are talking about
before you give out false information.

--- Erwin Craps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> And to be correct, switches don't improve speed
> (compared to hub's) they
> improve bandwith and reduce collisions!!!
> Switches create virtual point to point connections.
> 
> Switches do improve speed compared to routers.
> 
> Erwin
> 
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens
> Frank Tanner III
> Verzonden: zaterdag 1 november 2003 16:23
> Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> Switches will ALWAYS improve your speed over hubs.
> Period.
> 
> Hubs SHARE the same bandwidth on all ports. 
> Switches
> allocate the max bandwidth per port.
> 
> You are incorrect.
> 
> --- Erwin Craps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> > But switches have no sense in a 1 server
> environment
> > because all of the
> > trafic goes and comes from one point.
> > Unless your clients are 100Mb and the uplink to
> the
> > server is 1Gb.
> > 
> > People often believe switches will improve their
> > network speed, but that
> > is not always the case.
> > But indeed the prices of the switches have dropped
> > that you buy a switch
> > at the price of a good hub these days.
> > 
> > Erwin
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> > - Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:55 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> > 
> > 
> > Got it. I think.  Switch can route packet based on
> > IP address but can't
> > generate an IP address.  Yes?
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> > 
> > 
> > > It is sort of half-way, but not really.
> > >
> > > Switches are a "generation" better.  Hubs and
> > > switches, on their most basic level perform the
> > same function.  They
> > > distribute network traffic.  But HOW they
> > distribute that traffic is
> > > fundimentally different.
> > >
> > > Unless they're one of the newer layer 3 or layer
> 4 switches, they 
> > > cannot perform routing functions.
> > They
> > > just hand packets off from point A to point B.
> > Think
> > > of them as sort of a postman.  They have an
> > address
> > > for each device on the network and they hand off
> > each
> > > piece of mail to the appropriate address.  A
> hub,
> > > using this sama analagy would deliver the same
> > piece
> > > of mail to every house and the one that it
> > belonged to
> > > would be the one that actually reads it.
> > >
> > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > "but it's as close as I could think of without
> > > > getting too technical."
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.  Much appreciated.  So a switch is
> > like
> > > > halfway between a hub and
> > > > a router?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:36 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > (sort
> > > > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > A router and a switch are fundimentall
> > different
> > > > > things.
> > > > >
> > > > > A router does just that.  It routes network
> > > > traffic.
> > > > >
> > > > > A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.
> > > > >
> > > > > Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and
> > layer 4
> > > > > ones can perform both functions.This isn't
> an
> > > > exact
> > > > > definition, but it's as close as I could
> think
> > of
> > > > > without getting too technical.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Is there a difference between a switch and
> a
> > > > router?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rocky
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and
> > problem
> > > > > > solving"
> > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless
> network
> > > > (sort
> > > > > > of)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address
> of
> > any
> > > > > > device
> > > > > > > or server connected to your LAN that's
> not
> > a workstation and
> > > > > > > is virtually always on.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For the price, I would also highly
> > recommend
> > > > > > removing
> > > > > > > all hubs from your network and using
> them
> > as doorstops.
> > > > > > > Switches have come way down in
> > > > price
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all
> > ports.
> > > > Thus
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all
> ports
> > > > that
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A
> 
=== message truncated ===


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  2 08:51:32 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:51:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <20031102143504.25706.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031102143504.25706.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9522126135.20031102155132@cactus.dk>

Please, can't this never-ending "mine is bigger than yours" be moved
to the techno list - or better: to the eternal fields of bits?

/gustav


> Maybe you need to learn what you are talking about
> before you give out false information.

>> You are incorrect.

> === message truncated ===


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Nov  2 08:57:08 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 09:57:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Weakest Link
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEMEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000401c3a151$96bcbbc0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...yes he can run multiple nics, but why the extra h/w ...you can run
multiple subnets off the same NT nic ...and he can certainly run multiple
co-located servers with one be without replication :(

...your real issue appears to be db performance ...assuming he's already
running a 100Mb Ethernet and has no nic/cabling problems, then your real
answer lies in a server upgrade of one sort or another.

...personally I'd persuade him to upgrade to W2K Server OS with a minimum of
1Gb of ram, the more the merrier ...the server h/w, other than the ram is
not as critical as the server os ime unless his HDs are prehistoric ...W2K
Server runs circles around NT, especially in reliability, and NT support is
going away ...and if he has about $8-10K to spend I'd persuade him to go
with a new Dell server with a 25 cal SBS2K OS which includes SQL Server
...plus a free upgrade to W2003 Server (only AFTER the first SP though).

...given the costs involved in the different approaches, his TOC bottom line
is going to be lower with a new server since his maintenance costs will drop
dramatically with the W2K Server vs NT, even on essentially the same box
assuming its not stone aged ...plus you could immediately give him the
benefits of a SQL Server be.

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:53 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Weakest Link


> I have a client running about 25 Access FEs against an MDB BE.  He has a
> single server, and of course must use a single server at least for the BE
if
> we don't get into replication.  The server is Windows NT, not even 2K.  He
> just expanded into another wing of the building they rent and are going to
> move one unit of the business (and database) into that wing.  Can he run
> multiple NICS in Windows NT?  That would allow him to put a switch (or
> router) on what would essentially be two different LANs.  They don't
really
> have any inter workstation traffic so this would probably work if NT can
> deal with more than one NIC.  I know that they have (or had) bandwidth
> issues because when they replaced a hub with a switch awhile back the
> performance of the db improved.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 3:36 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> The weakest link in a network will decide the bandwith.
>
> If you only have one server all trafic goes to and comes from one link.
> If that link is the same speed as the clients link a switch is of no
> use. You gonna have a bottleneck.
>
> Again, switch are very good but you must have a different server speed
> link OR multiple servers. By that your bandwith gets divided over
> multiple or higer speed links.
>
> Switches are useles (for reaons of speed) in a single server and only 1
> speed link.
>
> It's a basic rule of a switch!!!
>
> Erwin
>
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Nov  2 08:59:42 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 09:59:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
References: <20031102143504.25706.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com>
	<9522126135.20031102155132@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000f01c3a151$f28c26c0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...amen :(

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> Please, can't this never-ending "mine is bigger than yours" be moved
> to the techno list - or better: to the eternal fields of bits?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Maybe you need to learn what you are talking about
> > before you give out false information.
>
> >> You are incorrect.
>
> > === message truncated ===
>
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>



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  2 09:19:05 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 10:19:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Weakest Link
In-Reply-To: <000401c3a151$96bcbbc0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEMIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

William,

>...yes he can run multiple nics, but why the extra h/w ...you can run
multiple subnets off the same NT nic

In the end the bandwidth at the connector of the NIC is 100 mbits.  Two NICS
means TWO 100 mbit networks, not one 100 mbit lan.

>and he can certainly run multiple co-located servers with one be without
replication

What the hell is a co-located server?  There is an MDB that all 25
workstations are trying to get data out of, a single file.

>...your real issue appears to be db performance

This is absolutely true.  They want to so some stuff that just pulls a lot
of data however, and in this kind of situation a lot of data is a lot of
bandwidth times a lot of users.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 9:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Weakest Link


...yes he can run multiple nics, but why the extra h/w ...you can run
multiple subnets off the same NT nic ...and he can certainly run multiple
co-located servers with one be without replication :(

...your real issue appears to be db performance ...assuming he's already
running a 100Mb Ethernet and has no nic/cabling problems, then your real
answer lies in a server upgrade of one sort or another.

...personally I'd persuade him to upgrade to W2K Server OS with a minimum of
1Gb of ram, the more the merrier ...the server h/w, other than the ram is
not as critical as the server os ime unless his HDs are prehistoric ...W2K
Server runs circles around NT, especially in reliability, and NT support is
going away ...and if he has about $8-10K to spend I'd persuade him to go
with a new Dell server with a 25 cal SBS2K OS which includes SQL Server
...plus a free upgrade to W2003 Server (only AFTER the first SP though).

...given the costs involved in the different approaches, his TOC bottom line
is going to be lower with a new server since his maintenance costs will drop
dramatically with the W2K Server vs NT, even on essentially the same box
assuming its not stone aged ...plus you could immediately give him the
benefits of a SQL Server be.

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:53 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Weakest Link


> I have a client running about 25 Access FEs against an MDB BE.  He has a
> single server, and of course must use a single server at least for the BE
if
> we don't get into replication.  The server is Windows NT, not even 2K.  He
> just expanded into another wing of the building they rent and are going to
> move one unit of the business (and database) into that wing.  Can he run
> multiple NICS in Windows NT?  That would allow him to put a switch (or
> router) on what would essentially be two different LANs.  They don't
really
> have any inter workstation traffic so this would probably work if NT can
> deal with more than one NIC.  I know that they have (or had) bandwidth
> issues because when they replaced a hub with a switch awhile back the
> performance of the db improved.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com




From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Sun Nov  2 09:26:55 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 07:26:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <9522126135.20031102155132@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <20031102152655.84721.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>

It has nothing to do with "mine is bigger than yours".

It has to do with him spreading false information as
the truth.

How would you respond if people were spreading
misinformation about Access?

--- Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Please, can't this never-ending "mine is bigger than
> yours" be moved
> to the techno list - or better: to the eternal
> fields of bits?
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > Maybe you need to learn what you are talking about
> > before you give out false information.
> 
> >> You are incorrect.
> 
> > === message truncated ===
> 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  2 09:51:27 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 10:51:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] defining constants as hex numbers
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEMLFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

how do you force VB to consider a number hex?  I thought there was something
like h0f but I can't get it to work and NOT help isn't.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Sun Nov  2 10:28:06 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 11:28:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <9522126135.20031102155132@cactus.dk>
References: <20031102143504.25706.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3FA4EA46.30655.2439D7@localhost>

On 2 Nov 2003 at 15:51, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Please, can't this never-ending "mine is bigger than yours" be moved
> to the techno list - or better: to the eternal fields of bits?

Just like I asked when this thread FIRST showed up!!

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Stupid questions are better than stupid mistakes. - Japanese proverb



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Nov  2 10:53:51 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 08:53:51 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Info: Jet SP 8.0 is out
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F7A7@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
	<3F9993CF.3030603@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <004401c3a161$e4d91f00$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Marty:

Belated questions, maybe you know - if I install SP8 and send an app to a
client who is on an earlier SP can this cause problems at the client site?

Regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:04 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Info: Jet SP 8.0 is out


> Went looking for version SP 7.0 of Jet and got redirected.to 8.0
>
> Information about Jet 4.0 Service Pack 8
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=829558
>
> How To: Obtain the Latest Service Pack for the Microsoft Jet 4.0
> Database Engine
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;239114#11
>
> To find what Jet Service Pack you are running
> On the Start menu, click Search.
> In the Search Results pane, click All files and folders under Search
> Companion.
> In the All or part of the file name box, type msjet40.dll, and then
> click Search.
> In the list of files, right-click the Msjet40.dll file that is located
> in the Windows\System32 (or Windows\System) folder, and then click
> Properties.
> Click the Version tab, and then use the following table to determine the
> current Jet 4.0 service pack level:
> Msjet40.dll Version Jet 4.0 Service Pack Level
> 4.0.2927.4 Service Pack 3 (SP3)
> 4.0.3714.7 Service Pack 4 (SP4)
> 4.0.4431.1 or 4.0.4431.3 Service Pack 5 (SP5)
> 4.0.6218.0 Service Pack 6 (SP6)
> 4.0.6807.0 Service Pack 6 (SP6) shipped only with Windows Server 2003
> 4.0.7328.0 Service Pack 7 (SP7)
> 4.0.8015.0 Service Pack 8 (SP8)
>
> -- 
> Marty Connelly
> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
>
>
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From fahooper at trapo.com  Sun Nov  2 11:00:44 2003
From: fahooper at trapo.com (Fred Hooper)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 12:00:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
In-Reply-To: <3FA2ECB0.30B2FC4C@nanaimo.ark.com>
Message-ID: <000501c3a162$db41dee0$a81d0e44@fred>

I had a similar requirement but needed to be sure that the program kept
running within the same original job. I solved it with another mdb. The
other one has a table where I put information on what to do from the main
program. So when I closed the main one and started the other one, the other
one compacted and repaired the back end. As the back end will sometimes be
on another server for me, I used (the free) PsExec from www.sysinternals.com
to start a batch file there.

Fred Hooper

|-----Original Message-----
|From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
|[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tony Septav
|Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:14 PM
|To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
|Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 - Repair and Compact
|
|
|Hey All
|I have a program designed for a client that runs basically 24 
|hours a day, 7 days a week collecting and processing data. Is 
|it possible to schedule a once weekly repair and compact 
|operation on both the frontend and backend (or even for now 
|just the backend). There is a lag/idle time between 1AM and 
|4AM, when no data is collected or processed. Any direction to 
|available code, ideas or programs would be appreciated. Thank you.
|
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|AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
|http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/ac|cessd
|Website: 
|http://www.databaseadvisors.com
|


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sun Nov  2 11:29:48 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 12:29:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Weakest Link
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEMIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001001c3a166$ea800360$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

****inline :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 10:19 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Weakest Link


> William,
>
> >...yes he can run multiple nics, but why the extra h/w ...you can run
> multiple subnets off the same NT nic
>
> In the end the bandwidth at the connector of the NIC is 100 mbits.  Two
NICS
> means TWO 100 mbit networks, not one 100 mbit lan.

****and you think an NT server can service two 100Mb nets any faster?
>
> >and he can certainly run multiple co-located servers with one be without
> replication
>
> What the hell is a co-located server?  There is an MDB that all 25
> workstations are trying to get data out of, a single file.

****one server doing OS functions while a co-located one works as the file
server with most of its processor and memory dedicated to servicing your be.
>
> >...your real issue appears to be db performance
>
> This is absolutely true.  They want to so some stuff that just pulls a lot
> of data however, and in this kind of situation a lot of data is a lot of
> bandwidth times a lot of users.

****hard to believe that a 100Mb lan is b/w limited w/25 users regardless of
the db demands ...the real limit is almost always in the processor, memory,
and/or HD access ...none of which are affected by how many nics you are
using ...by your theory, I could just add a nic any old time I needed to
speed things up :)
William
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 9:57 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Weakest Link
>
>
> ...yes he can run multiple nics, but why the extra h/w ...you can run
> multiple subnets off the same NT nic ...and he can certainly run multiple
> co-located servers with one be without replication :(
>
> ...your real issue appears to be db performance ...assuming he's already
> running a 100Mb Ethernet and has no nic/cabling problems, then your real
> answer lies in a server upgrade of one sort or another.
>
> ...personally I'd persuade him to upgrade to W2K Server OS with a minimum
of
> 1Gb of ram, the more the merrier ...the server h/w, other than the ram is
> not as critical as the server os ime unless his HDs are prehistoric ...W2K
> Server runs circles around NT, especially in reliability, and NT support
is
> going away ...and if he has about $8-10K to spend I'd persuade him to go
> with a new Dell server with a 25 cal SBS2K OS which includes SQL Server
> ...plus a free upgrade to W2003 Server (only AFTER the first SP though).
>
> ...given the costs involved in the different approaches, his TOC bottom
line
> is going to be lower with a new server since his maintenance costs will
drop
> dramatically with the W2K Server vs NT, even on essentially the same box
> assuming its not stone aged ...plus you could immediately give him the
> benefits of a SQL Server be.
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:53 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Weakest Link
>
>
> > I have a client running about 25 Access FEs against an MDB BE.  He has a
> > single server, and of course must use a single server at least for the
BE
> if
> > we don't get into replication.  The server is Windows NT, not even 2K.
He
> > just expanded into another wing of the building they rent and are going
to
> > move one unit of the business (and database) into that wing.  Can he run
> > multiple NICS in Windows NT?  That would allow him to put a switch (or
> > router) on what would essentially be two different LANs.  They don't
> really
> > have any inter workstation traffic so this would probably work if NT can
> > deal with more than one NIC.  I know that they have (or had) bandwidth
> > issues because when they replaced a hub with a switch awhile back the
> > performance of the db improved.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
>
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From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com  Sat Nov  1 18:30:12 2003
From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 16:30:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 Repair and Compact
Message-ID: <3FA45013.23B22CFE@nanaimo.ark.com>

Hey All
Did a little mock up using Dev's compacter.mda(mde) for compacting the
frontend.  Added some code to allow for the compacting of the backend
also and a scheduler/timer ability. Seems to be working quite nicely.
The program is  not any "rocket science" (1 user, no network), still
needs checking for users logged on, scheduling by day, week, biweekly
etc., backing up front and backends first before compacting etc. etc.
But as I said the little mockup seems to be working nicely compacting
both the front and back end at a scheduled time and returning to the
program all in one automated step.  Still got to do more testing and
additions.
Thanks for all your help and suggestions.


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Nov  2 17:12:50 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 09:12:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] defining constants as hex numbers
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEMLFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3FA61C12.22982.1A3CC4@localhost>

On 2 Nov 2003 at 10:51, John Colby wrote:

> how do you force VB to consider a number hex?  I thought there was something
> like h0f but I can't get it to work and NOT help isn't.
> 
&H
 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  2 18:27:45 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 19:27:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] defining constants as hex numbers
In-Reply-To: <3FA61C12.22982.1A3CC4@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOENIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 6:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] defining constants as hex numbers


On 2 Nov 2003 at 10:51, John Colby wrote:

> how do you force VB to consider a number hex?  I thought there was
something
> like h0f but I can't get it to work and NOT help isn't.
>
&H

--
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http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
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Support.



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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sun Nov  2 19:41:09 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 17:41:09 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Info: Jet SP 8.0 is out
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F7A7@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
 <3F9993CF.3030603@shaw.ca> <004401c3a161$e4d91f00$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <3FA5B235.6070502@shaw.ca>

In so much as you might not have written a code workaround to get a 
problem corrected in a later SP, you will have a problem. For example: 
:After you compact and repair a database that includes a table that has 
an AutoNumber field, you notice that when you enter new data, the 
AutoNumber is a duplicate of an earlier AutoNumber. This is fixed by 
SP4. You won't see the error developing in SP8, but if your client is 
still on SP3 she will. Or for example SP7 gets around problems of 
importing paradox and dbase files. MS and Borland kissed and made up so 
it is was fixed in SP7.  To find the errors corrected by SPs you will 
have to find the KB associated with each SP. Ha Ha Ha .Giggle They keep 
switching them every six months.

. To apply SP 8 it goes with Win 2003, 2000 and XP otherwise use SP7 for 
lower OS.
To apply either you need at least SP3 installed. The SP's are cumulative 
so that SP7 has all the fixes of SP7 thru SP4. There is also a seperate 
SP for replication and SP7. SP 8 fixes Access/Oracle problems.

There is a list here to determine your SP level from Version number of 
msjet40.dll
How To: Obtain the Latest Service Pack for the Microsoft Jet 4.0 
Database Engine
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;239114

SP7 here
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q282010
Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:

>Marty:
>
>Belated questions, maybe you know - if I install SP8 and send an app to a
>client who is on an earlier SP can this cause problems at the client site?
>
>Regards,
>
>Rocky Smolin
>Beach Access Software
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:04 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Info: Jet SP 8.0 is out
>
>
>  
>
>>Went looking for version SP 7.0 of Jet and got redirected.to 8.0
>>
>>Information about Jet 4.0 Service Pack 8
>>http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=829558
>>
>>How To: Obtain the Latest Service Pack for the Microsoft Jet 4.0
>>Database Engine
>>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;239114#11
>>
>>To find what Jet Service Pack you are running
>>On the Start menu, click Search.
>>In the Search Results pane, click All files and folders under Search
>>Companion.
>>In the All or part of the file name box, type msjet40.dll, and then
>>click Search.
>>In the list of files, right-click the Msjet40.dll file that is located
>>in the Windows\System32 (or Windows\System) folder, and then click
>>Properties.
>>Click the Version tab, and then use the following table to determine the
>>current Jet 4.0 service pack level:
>>Msjet40.dll Version Jet 4.0 Service Pack Level
>>4.0.2927.4 Service Pack 3 (SP3)
>>4.0.3714.7 Service Pack 4 (SP4)
>>4.0.4431.1 or 4.0.4431.3 Service Pack 5 (SP5)
>>4.0.6218.0 Service Pack 6 (SP6)
>>4.0.6807.0 Service Pack 6 (SP6) shipped only with Windows Server 2003
>>4.0.7328.0 Service Pack 7 (SP7)
>>4.0.8015.0 Service Pack 8 (SP8)
>>
>>-- 
>>Marty Connelly
>>Victoria, B.C.
>>Canada
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>    
>>
>
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>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sun Nov  2 19:43:47 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 17:43:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] defining constants as hex numbers
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEMLFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3FA5B2D3.4010906@shaw.ca>

Sub ones()
Dim iTest As Integer
Dim inum As Integer
Dim lnum As Long
Dim hexvalue As String
hexvalue = "8A"
iTest = 255
inum = Val("&H" & hexvalue) ' hex 8A
lnum = inum Xor iTest
Debug.Print "lnum=" & lnum & "hex=" & Hex(lnum)
 
End Sub

John Colby wrote:

>how do you force VB to consider a number hex?  I thought there was something
>like h0f but I can't get it to work and NOT help isn't.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Sun Nov  2 20:29:02 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:29:02 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Weakest Link
In-Reply-To: <001001c3a166$ea800360$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuUkQn8A@pacific.net.hk>

It is usually better to run some tests to see what is the weakest link before
jumping to conclusions.

NT, has a utility called perfmon (performance monitor) where you can set up and
monitor various stats.  Occasionally a simple memory upgrade may resolve
performance issues where the server is paging continuously.

What you really need to determine is whether it is the LAN or the server that is
the main issue.  If your network is constantly running maxed out, then maybe a
second NIC is the answer.  

Though I agree with William that Win2K runs rings around winNT in terms of ease
of maintenance.  NT can also a right PITA for installing new gear.  I've also
set up win2k server for VPN service between a clients offices between here and
Tokyo running on an old Pentium Pro with 96 MB of ram (they didn't want to spend
the money on a new box, so a replaced fileserver got the job).  After hacking
out services to get the memory footprint down it hasn't had a hickup in over 6
months of use.  Just goes to show that win2k can also run on older gear, though
I'd not recommend that for a heavily used system.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> William Hindman
> Sent: Monday, 03 November, 2003 1:30 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Weakest Link
> 
> 
> ****inline :)
> 
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 10:19 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Weakest Link
> 
> 
> > William,
> >
> > >...yes he can run multiple nics, but why the extra h/w 
> ...you can run
> > multiple subnets off the same NT nic
> >
> > In the end the bandwidth at the connector of the NIC is 100 
> mbits.  Two
> NICS
> > means TWO 100 mbit networks, not one 100 mbit lan.
> 
> ****and you think an NT server can service two 100Mb nets any faster?
> >
> > >and he can certainly run multiple co-located servers with 
> one be without
> > replication
> >
> > What the hell is a co-located server?  There is an MDB that all 25
> > workstations are trying to get data out of, a single file.
> 
> ****one server doing OS functions while a co-located one 
> works as the file
> server with most of its processor and memory dedicated to 
> servicing your be.
> >
> > >...your real issue appears to be db performance
> >
> > This is absolutely true.  They want to so some stuff that 
> just pulls a lot
> > of data however, and in this kind of situation a lot of 
> data is a lot of
> > bandwidth times a lot of users.
> 
> ****hard to believe that a 100Mb lan is b/w limited w/25 
> users regardless of
> the db demands ...the real limit is almost always in the 
> processor, memory,
> and/or HD access ...none of which are affected by how many 
> nics you are
> using ...by your theory, I could just add a nic any old time 
> I needed to
> speed things up :)
> William
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 9:57 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Weakest Link
> >
> >
> > ...yes he can run multiple nics, but why the extra h/w 
> ...you can run
> > multiple subnets off the same NT nic ...and he can 
> certainly run multiple
> > co-located servers with one be without replication :(
> >
> > ...your real issue appears to be db performance ...assuming 
> he's already
> > running a 100Mb Ethernet and has no nic/cabling problems, 
> then your real
> > answer lies in a server upgrade of one sort or another.
> >
> > ...personally I'd persuade him to upgrade to W2K Server OS 
> with a minimum
> of
> > 1Gb of ram, the more the merrier ...the server h/w, other 
> than the ram is
> > not as critical as the server os ime unless his HDs are 
> prehistoric ...W2K
> > Server runs circles around NT, especially in reliability, 
> and NT support
> is
> > going away ...and if he has about $8-10K to spend I'd 
> persuade him to go
> > with a new Dell server with a 25 cal SBS2K OS which 
> includes SQL Server
> > ...plus a free upgrade to W2003 Server (only AFTER the 
> first SP though).
> >
> > ...given the costs involved in the different approaches, 
> his TOC bottom
> line
> > is going to be lower with a new server since his 
> maintenance costs will
> drop
> > dramatically with the W2K Server vs NT, even on essentially 
> the same box
> > assuming its not stone aged ...plus you could immediately 
> give him the
> > benefits of a SQL Server be.
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:53 AM
> > Subject: [AccessD] Weakest Link
> >
> >
> > > I have a client running about 25 Access FEs against an 
> MDB BE.  He has a
> > > single server, and of course must use a single server at 
> least for the
> BE
> > if
> > > we don't get into replication.  The server is Windows NT, 
> not even 2K.
> He
> > > just expanded into another wing of the building they rent 
> and are going
> to
> > > move one unit of the business (and database) into that 
> wing.  Can he run
> > > multiple NICS in Windows NT?  That would allow him to put 
> a switch (or
> > > router) on what would essentially be two different LANs.  
> They don't
> > really
> > > have any inter workstation traffic so this would probably 
> work if NT can
> > > deal with more than one NIC.  I know that they have (or 
> had) bandwidth
> > > issues because when they replaced a hub with a switch 
> awhile back the
> > > performance of the db improved.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Mon Nov  3 01:33:30 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 23:33:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEJCFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEJCFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3FA604CA.1020200@verizon.net>

Aerocool's DP101 is a neat idea, I have not ordered it but am gonna,
http://www.amdmb.com/article-display.php?ArticleID=242
according to this review by AMD MB, it's a very good well performing cpu 
cooler that is no louder than a soft whisper, in my pc I have volcano 7 
and while I don't mind it, my wife does, and has threatened to cut all 
power to my pc. :D

John Colby wrote:

> I just thought I'd share a tip.
> 
> I build my own computers from parts.  About two years ago now I bought these
> rather nice cases, bought motherboards with AMD 1333 mhz thunderbird procs
> and used Thermaltake volcanoes in them plus 3 case fans (plus two in the
> power supply).  Needless to say it was NOISY!!!
> 
> So noisy I couldn't hear a phone conversation.
> 
> I finally decided I'd had enough.  I found a HSF called the Thermaltake
> Silent Boost.  NICE!  All copper, 80mm low noise fan.  Almost silent.  That
> got rid of the jet engine sound from the 60mm 4500 rpm fans on the old HSF,
> but the case fans were still pretty loud.  I was just about to order low
> noise variable speed fans when I ran across this article:
> http://www.cpemma.co.uk/7volt.html
> 
> I decided since it was free and immediate (I'm a right now kinda guy) I'd go
> ahead and try it.  Essentially you build a cable (don't panic, it's easy)
> that feeds 7 volts to the fan instead of the normal 12, which reduces the
> fan speed (and air volume) which reduces the noise (and air volume).
> 
> As long as the remaining air volume is sufficient to keep the case cool all
> is fine.  I have 3 case fans anyway, 1 intake and 2 exhaust.  It turns out
> that the temperature on the proc went up from ~104 f to 107 f idle.  Not too
> bad actually.  And the difference in noise between the new HSF and lower
> voltage to the case fans is immense.  Not dead silent by any means but quiet
> now instead of sounding like the cleaning lady with a vacuum in my ear.
> 
> Saved myself ~$40-$50 on new case fans.  Check it out, it worked for me.
> http://www.cpemma.co.uk/7volt.html
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> 


-- 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov  3 01:46:35 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 23:46:35 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <3FA604CA.1020200@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEFNCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I can not remember or
find the related code. (Advanced years and all)

Can you set up Access to, under program control to run/display any file that
the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf file, spreadsheet
or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each type. I have
written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there must be any easier
way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web page can do this
but can an Access program?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

MTIA
Jim



From gmiller at sistersnet.com  Mon Nov  3 02:34:13 2003
From: gmiller at sistersnet.com (Gary Miller)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 00:34:13 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEFNCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <03a201c3a1e5$45cfe0e0$0300a8c0@svreo1>

Jim,

Look up the Shell() function in Help. Sounds like what you
are looking for.

Gary Miller
Sisters, OR

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 11:46 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format


> Hi All:
>
> This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I
can not remember or
> find the related code. (Advanced years and all)
>
> Can you set up Access to, under program control to
run/display any file that
> the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf
file, spreadsheet
> or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each
type. I have
> written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there
must be any easier
> way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web
page can do this
> but can an Access program?
>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
>
> MTIA
> Jim
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Mon Nov  3 04:26:12 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:26:12 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEFNCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <00ec01c3a1f4$e7ffd0a0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

What you want is this:

http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0018.htm

Regards

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Jim Lawrence (AccessD)
> Sent: Monday, 03 November, 2003 3:47 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
>
>
> Hi All:
>
> This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I can
> not remember or
> find the related code. (Advanced years and all)
>
> Can you set up Access to, under program control to
> run/display any file that
> the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf
> file, spreadsheet
> or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each
> type. I have
> written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there
> must be any easier
> way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web
> page can do this
> but can an Access program?
>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
>
> MTIA
> Jim
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov  3 04:31:59 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:31:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] defining constants as hex numbers
In-Reply-To: <2400510678138396723d0567@global.net.pg>
References: <2400510678138396723d0567@global.net.pg>
Message-ID: <1709213628.20031103113159@cactus.dk>

Hi John, Stuart

But be careful with values above the max. positive value of a signed
Integer

  &H7FFF

as these evaluates to negative values in VB.
Not even assigning such a value to a constant or a variable declared
as Long will help you.

If you expect, say, 65535 for &HFFFF, add the type declaration sign
for Long: 

  &HFFFF&

or make it initially a Long by adding and subtracting one

  &H10000 - 1

or wrap it, again forcing a Long and taking advantage of &HFFFF as a
fancy way of writing -1

  &H10000 + &HFFFF

The last one is a nice item to add in your box of tools for writing
unreadable code!

/gustav


>> how do you force VB to consider a number hex?  I thought there was something
>> like h0f but I can't get it to work and NOT help isn't.
>> 
> &H


From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov  3 06:22:09 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:22:09 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
Message-ID: <8615823653.20031103132209@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Anyone familiar with these new products and if they somehow relate to
Access?

I've tried to browse some brochures but they are so hyped that it is
just plain impossible to figure out wether these apps are fancy toys
which will bring any machine to a crawl or if they could be useful
tools in cooperation with Access and database applications.

And how are the programmed if you wish to create custom build apps?
I've located this link to a SDK related to InfoPath:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616-93aa-4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en

but it looks like you need to take a deep breath and have a weekend
set aside.

Also, how much are they relying on specific MS server software like
SharePoint or Exchange or pure MS environments or Office 2003 only? If
so, the usefulness is very limited as our clients use a variety of
systems. 

/gustav


From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon Nov  3 06:26:09 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 07:26:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3067BF79@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAFA0@ADGSERVER>

Hi Charlotte,

That was the problem exactly!  Thanks!

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.


This will happen if the file format you have currently selected is Access
2000 but the project was created and checked into VSS in 2002
format.   All you need to do is open a database and change your Access
file format to 2002 then pull a new database out of VSS.  Once you get the
crash, it's a good idea to delete the scc folder for the project so it will
be recreated when you pull the database out.  Otherwise, you sometimes have
problems with whatever caused the crash in the first place.

Charlotte Foust


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  3 08:10:45 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:10:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAFA0@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEOLFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Charlotte,

I would hope there is a better answer than that.  I intentionally leave my
client's dbs in A2K file format since AXP as the compact bug.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.


Hi Charlotte,

That was the problem exactly!  Thanks!

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.


This will happen if the file format you have currently selected is Access
2000 but the project was created and checked into VSS in 2002
format.   All you need to do is open a database and change your Access
file format to 2002 then pull a new database out of VSS.  Once you get the
crash, it's a good idea to delete the scc folder for the project so it will
be recreated when you pull the database out.  Otherwise, you sometimes have
problems with whatever caused the crash in the first place.

Charlotte Foust

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  3 08:14:57 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:14:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] defining constants as hex numbers
In-Reply-To: <1709213628.20031103113159@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEOMFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Gustav,

I am dealing with longs and am doing bit manipulations of individual bits
(which is why I want Hex to begin with) so I must have the ability to deal
with upper bits.  However I avoid the sign bit so I don't really care if it
"makes it negative" as long as it doesn't do so by propagating a 1 through
all of the upper bits such that all of the upper 16 bits are a 1.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] defining constants as hex numbers


Hi John, Stuart

But be careful with values above the max. positive value of a signed
Integer

  &H7FFF

as these evaluates to negative values in VB.
Not even assigning such a value to a constant or a variable declared
as Long will help you.

If you expect, say, 65535 for &HFFFF, add the type declaration sign
for Long:

  &HFFFF&

or make it initially a Long by adding and subtracting one

  &H10000 - 1

or wrap it, again forcing a Long and taking advantage of &HFFFF as a
fancy way of writing -1

  &H10000 + &HFFFF

The last one is a nice item to add in your box of tools for writing
unreadable code!

/gustav


>> how do you force VB to consider a number hex?  I thought there was
something
>> like h0f but I can't get it to work and NOT help isn't.
>>
> &H

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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  3 08:21:22 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:21:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
In-Reply-To: <3FA604CA.1020200@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEOMFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Newegg gives a retail price of #32 for the deep impact which would make it a
good buy.  Unfortunately they don't have it in stock.  The thermaltake
silent boost is about the same price and in stock and works wonderfully.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H
Tapia
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 2:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer


Aerocool's DP101 is a neat idea, I have not ordered it but am gonna,
http://www.amdmb.com/article-display.php?ArticleID=242
according to this review by AMD MB, it's a very good well performing cpu
cooler that is no louder than a soft whisper, in my pc I have volcano 7
and while I don't mind it, my wife does, and has threatened to cut all
power to my pc. :D

John Colby wrote:

> I just thought I'd share a tip.
>
> I build my own computers from parts.  About two years ago now I bought
these
> rather nice cases, bought motherboards with AMD 1333 mhz thunderbird procs
> and used Thermaltake volcanoes in them plus 3 case fans (plus two in the
> power supply).  Needless to say it was NOISY!!!
>
> So noisy I couldn't hear a phone conversation.
>
> I finally decided I'd had enough.  I found a HSF called the Thermaltake
> Silent Boost.  NICE!  All copper, 80mm low noise fan.  Almost silent.
That
> got rid of the jet engine sound from the 60mm 4500 rpm fans on the old
HSF,
> but the case fans were still pretty loud.  I was just about to order low
> noise variable speed fans when I ran across this article:
> http://www.cpemma.co.uk/7volt.html
>
> I decided since it was free and immediate (I'm a right now kinda guy) I'd
go
> ahead and try it.  Essentially you build a cable (don't panic, it's easy)
> that feeds 7 volts to the fan instead of the normal 12, which reduces the
> fan speed (and air volume) which reduces the noise (and air volume).
>
> As long as the remaining air volume is sufficient to keep the case cool
all
> is fine.  I have 3 case fans anyway, 1 intake and 2 exhaust.  It turns out
> that the temperature on the proc went up from ~104 f to 107 f idle.  Not
too
> bad actually.  And the difference in noise between the new HSF and lower
> voltage to the case fans is immense.  Not dead silent by any means but
quiet
> now instead of sounding like the cleaning lady with a vacuum in my ear.
>
> Saved myself ~$40-$50 on new case fans.  Check it out, it worked for me.
> http://www.cpemma.co.uk/7volt.html
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov  3 08:41:45 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:41:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
References: <00ec01c3a1f4$e7ffd0a0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <002a01c3a218$9a8f4020$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...hey! ...nice find, works like a charm ...as it happens I have an
immediate use for this little honey ...thanks :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:26 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format


> What you want is this:
>
> http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0018.htm
>
> Regards
>
> Stuart
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Jim Lawrence (AccessD)
> > Sent: Monday, 03 November, 2003 3:47 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
> >
> >
> > Hi All:
> >
> > This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I can
> > not remember or
> > find the related code. (Advanced years and all)
> >
> > Can you set up Access to, under program control to
> > run/display any file that
> > the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf
> > file, spreadsheet
> > or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each
> > type. I have
> > written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there
> > must be any easier
> > way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web
> > page can do this
> > but can an Access program?
> >
> > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> >
> > MTIA
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From serbach at new.rr.com  Mon Nov  3 08:56:42 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 08:56:42 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] How to prevent a mess
Message-ID: <20031103085642.1503239058.serbach@new.rr.com>

Dear Group,

I've been enlightened by Michael Kaplan's explanation of the perils of copying replicas and not going through a proper replication sequence with CD copies back and forth.

The question is: what now? The independent laptops are scattered around the state and its *very* inconvenient for them to come back to do a physical replication. Money to write a custom synchronization process is simply not available.

I note from Kaplan's explanations that if the replicas are unmanaged -- that is, Synchronizer is not used -- then certain types of problems can be avoided. Also problems can be avoided by using the built-in Access methods for moving replicas or by using TSI Synchronizer.

He also mentions using the Briefcase reconciler, but that doesn't exist in Windows 2000 or XP, does it?

I'm trying to avoid creating a mess. The application is in more or less a beta stage now, so we could start from scratch with a new Replication strategy. Any advice?

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI


From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov  3 08:57:07 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:57:07 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] defining constants as hex numbers
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEOMFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEOMFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <13825122033.20031103155707@cactus.dk>

Hi John

OK, I guess you know what you're doing.

I just recall this old example which blows if the trailing "&" is
omitted: 

<code>

    Dim WinVer%
    Dim LoByte%
    Dim HiByte%

    WinVer = GetVersion() And &HFFFF&
    LoByte = WinVer And &HFF   ' major version
    HiByte = WinVer \ &HFF     ' minor version
    
    IsWin95 = (HiByte / 100 + LoByte) >= 3.95

</code

GerVersion returns something like 83910403 for a Win2000 machine.

/gustav


> I am dealing with longs and am doing bit manipulations of individual bits
> (which is why I want Hex to begin with) so I must have the ability to deal
> with upper bits.  However I avoid the sign bit so I don't really care if it
> "makes it negative" as long as it doesn't do so by propagating a 1 through
> all of the upper bits such that all of the upper 16 bits are a 1.


From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Mon Nov  3 09:13:01 2003
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:13:01 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A0330603B@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

Jim,
If you're just wanting to give the ability to open a file from a list, what
I've done in the past is use a continuous form listing the filename and
beside the filename field, add a command button.  Set the Hyperlink Address
of the command button to the path and filename via code in the On Current
property of the form.  Then the user just clicks on the button and the file
is opened by whatever program the extension is registered as.

HTH

Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 1:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format


Hi All:

This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I can not remember or
find the related code. (Advanced years and all)

Can you set up Access to, under program control to run/display any file that
the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf file, spreadsheet
or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each type. I have
written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there must be any easier
way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web page can do this
but can an Access program?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

MTIA
Jim


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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Mon Nov  3 09:17:46 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Mon,  3 Nov 2003 16:17:46 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)
Message-ID: <649944.1067872666630.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006>

To all,
We are operating Office XP Professional and I have started to write a little scheduling application.  Every so often we will have an Excel Workbook containing three spreadsheets, what I need to be able to do is link into the Workbook to bring a certain clients data in from the second sheet.
The fields in the workbook are as follows:
StoreNo, HolidayWeek, Sun, Mon, Tue, Wed, Thur, Fri, Sat
StoreNo contain the store number and if there is a certain week that we cannot go to the store the week commencing date wil be entered under HolidayWeek.  If there is a certain day or multiple days that we cannot go to the store, the individual dates will be stored under the day of the week.
Now I have a tbale with the following fields :
StoreNo, BlackoutWeek, BlackoutDay
I need to link into Excel and bring the data in from the Excel spreadsheet into the table above.
So I may end up with
StoreNo            BlackoutWeek             BlackoutDay
1                                                              27/01/04
1                                                              28/01/04
1                          04/01/04
etc, has anyone any sample code on how to link into the Excel spreadsheet an retrieve the data.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Paul Hartland

From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Mon Nov  3 09:53:36 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Mon,  3 Nov 2003 16:53:36 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Urgent Help Access - Can't Find MSYSDB
Message-ID: <18619615.1067874816000.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>

To all,
We have just had and error message up saying can't find MSysDb, we can't repair it or import tables from this database at all.  Is there a way of restoring the database, to save us going to a backup version ?
Please help as quickly as possible, thanks,
Paul Hartland

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov  3 09:52:50 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 07:52:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <03a201c3a1e5$45cfe0e0$0300a8c0@svreo1>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFIEFPCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Thank you Gary:

I am current researching that specific procedure but each document type must
be prefixed with a path and name of the actual program that will display
them. I was hoping for something that could use the intelligence from the OS
on file extensions.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gary Miller
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 12:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format


Jim,

Look up the Shell() function in Help. Sounds like what you
are looking for.

Gary Miller
Sisters, OR

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 11:46 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format


> Hi All:
>
> This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I
can not remember or
> find the related code. (Advanced years and all)
>
> Can you set up Access to, under program control to
run/display any file that
> the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf
file, spreadsheet
> or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each
type. I have
> written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there
must be any easier
> way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web
page can do this
> but can an Access program?
>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
>
> MTIA
> Jim
>
>
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Mon Nov  3 09:59:26 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 09:59:26 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] SubReports
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C7FA@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Ok - what is the trick to selecting a subreport in report design? In 97 all
I had to do is click on the report & it would open for modifications. In A2K
I can't even select the report.

Virginia

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Nov  3 09:02:05 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:02:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
Message-ID: <20031103160200.C8CF224D446@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

I use some API code that came from someone on the list (sorry can't credit
cos can't remember). Very simple. Stick this in a module:

Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "shell32" Alias "ShellExecuteA" (ByVal
hwnd As Long, _
ByVal lpOperation As String, ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters As
String, _
ByVal lpDirectory As String, ByVal nShowCmd As Long) As Long

Function RunApp(strFile As String, bytSize) As Boolean
Dim lngRet As Long
Dim varTaskID As Variant
Dim strRet As String

lngRet = ShellExecute(hWndAccessApp, vbNullString, strFile, vbNullString,
vbNullString, bytSize)
If lngRet > Success Then
strRet = vbNullString
lngRet = -1
RunApp = True
Else
RunApp = False
Select Case lngRet
Case NotRegistered
varTaskID = Shell("rundll32.exe shell32.dll,OpenAs_RunDLL " & strFile,
bytSize)
lngRet = (varTaskID <> 0)
Case InadequateMemory
MsgBox "Error:  Out of Memory/Resources!"
Case FileNotFound
MsgBox "Error:  File not found!"
Case PathNotFound
MsgBox "Error:  Path not found!"
Case BadFormat
MsgBox "Error:  Bad File Format!"
Case 5
MsgBox "Error:  Unauthorized due to Security restrictions!"
End Select
End If
End Function

Then all you do is:

Call RunApp(strfilename,1)

HTH

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
Date: 03/11/03 21:15


Jim,
If you're just wanting to give the ability to open a file from a list, what
I've done in the past is use a continuous form listing the filename and
beside the filename field, add a command button. Set the Hyperlink Address
of the command button to the path and filename via code in the On Current
property of the form. Then the user just clicks on the button and the file
is opened by whatever program the extension is registered as.

HTH

Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 1:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format


Hi All:

This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I can not remember or
find the related code. (Advanced years and all)

Can you set up Access to, under program control to run/display any file that
the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf file, spreadsheet
or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each type. I have
written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there must be any easier
way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web page can do this
but can an Access program?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

MTIA
Jim


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 10:08:13 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:08:13 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227480@main2.marlow.com>

Think of a subnet as a neighborhood.  A network neighborhood.  The subnet
'mask' is a property in TCP/IP, which tells your machine what IP addresses
are around it.  It's a bitmask thing.

192.168.0.1, with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 tells the machine that
192.168.0.1 through 192.168.0.255 are around it.  If the bit is turned on in
the subnet mask, IP Addresses in that subnet must have a matching bit
(either on or off....), if it's turned off in the subnet, that bit in the IP
address can be different.  So 255.255.255.254 for a subnet, is a subnet of 2
machines.

The reason this is important, is because subnets control how much
broadcasting and browsing your machine must do, to locate other computers on
the network.  A subnet of 255.255.0.0 tells your computer there are 65k
machines on the subnet, and more then likely you will never find anything,
because it will eventually give up.  255.255.255.0 tells it there are 256
(255) computers on the subnet, which it should be able to find just fine.
However, if you have a smaller network, a smaller subnet speeds up the
'searching'.

That leads to what I was talking about earlier...the Gateway (router).  When
you tell a machine to go to 123.456.789.321, if that IP Address is not on
the subnet, it doesn't even bother looking, it just sends the request to the
gateway IP (router), so the router does the searching.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


O. What's a subnet?  And where do I get one?  And do I want one?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> Yes, a switch is used to connect computers on the same subnet.  A router
is
> used to connect subnets together.  A router is usually also a switch, so
it
> can connect computers on the same subnet, AND connect one subnet to
another.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> Is there a difference between a switch and a router?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any device
> > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > workstation and is virtually always on.
> >
> > For the price, I would also highly recommend removing
> > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price and
> > have many benifits over hubs.
> >
> > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus if
> > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that are
> > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each
> > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> >
> > That's not including the security issues inherent with
> > hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
> > available ports rather than to the proper destination
> > port.
> >
> > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy
> > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The
> > > newer models even figure
> > > out what kind of cable you are using, crossover or
> > > regular.  The biggest
> > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp server
> > > so I had to turn off the
> > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also
> > > hardwired the address of
> > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4
> > > port routers isn't a
> > > panacea however since you now end up using two ports
> > > just for the daisy
> > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > > have a wireless so I can
> > > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > > other computers in if
> > > needed.
> > >
> > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the
> > > internet to "call in"
> > > for programming.  I had to snake a cable down the
> > > wall from the living room
> > > (luckily exactly over my office in the basement).  I
> > > understand that the
> > > model II has USB ports that can automatically use
> > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > connect to the internet.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > > of)
> > >
> > >
> > > John:
> > >
> > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> > > ports on your router to
> > > get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> > > from one router this
> > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > >
> > > I've also found that when creating a new network it
> > > sometimes takes a few
> > > minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> > > each other - especially on
> > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > > trying to get the network to
> > > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > > after a few minutes,
> > > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> > >
> > >
> > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > needed
> > > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> > > needing to plug in) and
> > > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > > time.  I then tried and
> > > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> > > around, so I ordered a
> > > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > > longer, a very long call to
> > > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > > >
> > > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > > anything out, they
> > > recommended
> > > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > > paycheck from my trip to work
> > > for
> > > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > > November 1997?  Getting a
> > > bit
> > > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > > >
> > > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > > before installing etc.
> > > And
> > > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > > mhz processor.  So I
> > > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
> > >  Still no joy.  The
> > > site
> > > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > > support assured me that if
> > > > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> > > >
> > > > Ignorant liars!
> > > >
> > > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > > around with a couple of
> > > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> > > in to the router config
> > > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > > thing I'm seeing on the
> > > laptop
> > > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > > >
> > > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> > > clear idea why) I have
> > > a
> > > > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> > > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > > >
> > > > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> > > play around, don't quit,
> > > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > > thing up so that others
> > > can't
> > > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > > anything since I don't really
> > > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > >
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 10:18:37 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:18:37 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227483@main2.marlow.com>

I just put my servers in the closet.  Don't care how noisy they get.  Can't
hear them! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:32 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer


I just thought I'd share a tip.

I build my own computers from parts.  About two years ago now I bought these
rather nice cases, bought motherboards with AMD 1333 mhz thunderbird procs
and used Thermaltake volcanoes in them plus 3 case fans (plus two in the
power supply).  Needless to say it was NOISY!!!

So noisy I couldn't hear a phone conversation.

I finally decided I'd had enough.  I found a HSF called the Thermaltake
Silent Boost.  NICE!  All copper, 80mm low noise fan.  Almost silent.  That
got rid of the jet engine sound from the 60mm 4500 rpm fans on the old HSF,
but the case fans were still pretty loud.  I was just about to order low
noise variable speed fans when I ran across this article:
http://www.cpemma.co.uk/7volt.html

I decided since it was free and immediate (I'm a right now kinda guy) I'd go
ahead and try it.  Essentially you build a cable (don't panic, it's easy)
that feeds 7 volts to the fan instead of the normal 12, which reduces the
fan speed (and air volume) which reduces the noise (and air volume).

As long as the remaining air volume is sufficient to keep the case cool all
is fine.  I have 3 case fans anyway, 1 intake and 2 exhaust.  It turns out
that the temperature on the proc went up from ~104 f to 107 f idle.  Not too
bad actually.  And the difference in noise between the new HSF and lower
voltage to the case fans is immense.  Not dead silent by any means but quiet
now instead of sounding like the cleaning lady with a vacuum in my ear.

Saved myself ~$40-$50 on new case fans.  Check it out, it worked for me.
http://www.cpemma.co.uk/7volt.html

John W. Colby
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  3 10:19:43 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:19:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SubReports
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C7FA@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEPEFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Virginia,

I am ashamed at you expressing such disbelief and disapproval at the NEW AND
IMPROVED FEATURES OF A2K!!!

Welcome to the "let's make it better and change everything around" world of
M$.

In theory, the subreport should be "transparent" now, i.e. you should see
the controls etc inside the subreporta (and subforms).  In order to select
the subreport itself, one way is to click OUTSIDE the subObject, ten click
the little gray square in the upper left corner ONE TIME.  If you keep a
property box open as you do this you can watch the property box to see what
object you have selected.

You then "drill down" into the sub object clicking again and yet again.  In
fact the first click SHOULD show you the properties of the sub object
CONTROL on the main object.  Next click will show you properties of the
sub-object (sub report / sub form).  Next click will show you properties of
the object inside the subreport/form such as the header, a control etc.
depending on what you are clicking on.

So as you can see, this is all "new and improved".

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Hollis,Virginia
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] SubReports


Ok - what is the trick to selecting a subreport in report design? In 97 all
I had to do is click on the report & it would open for modifications. In A2K
I can't even select the report.

Virginia
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Mon Nov  3 10:24:06 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:24:06 -0000 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C6666@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Nicely put. However <bzzzzz!> by being the first person to post to this
thread today, you fall foul of a new policy just agreed between myself and
the other moderators. Don't take it personally...

EVERYONE PLEASE NOTE: from now on we will be insisting that responses to
questions which really belong on one of the other lists MUST be made on the
appropriate list and not on AccessD.

Initial requests for help can still be sent to AccessD, until it becomes
clear that we have enough subscribers on the other lists to make it
unneccessary, but all responses should be sent to the VB, SQL-Server or Tech
list.

We will be sending out an official email to that effect sometime soon.

If you disagree with the policy please send a mail to
ops-mod at databaseadvisors.com and we will consider your views.

Thanks

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: 03 November 2003 16:08
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Think of a subnet as a neighborhood.  A network neighborhood.  The subnet
'mask' is a property in TCP/IP, which tells your machine what IP addresses
are around it.  It's a bitmask thing.

192.168.0.1, with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 tells the machine that
192.168.0.1 through 192.168.0.255 are around it.  If the bit is turned on in
the subnet mask, IP Addresses in that subnet must have a matching bit
(either on or off....), if it's turned off in the subnet, that bit in the IP
address can be different.  So 255.255.255.254 for a subnet, is a subnet of 2
machines.

The reason this is important, is because subnets control how much
broadcasting and browsing your machine must do, to locate other computers on
the network.  A subnet of 255.255.0.0 tells your computer there are 65k
machines on the subnet, and more then likely you will never find anything,
because it will eventually give up.  255.255.255.0 tells it there are 256
(255) computers on the subnet, which it should be able to find just fine.
However, if you have a smaller network, a smaller subnet speeds up the
'searching'.

That leads to what I was talking about earlier...the Gateway (router).  When
you tell a machine to go to 123.456.789.321, if that IP Address is not on
the subnet, it doesn't even bother looking, it just sends the request to the
gateway IP (router), so the router does the searching.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


O. What's a subnet?  And where do I get one?  And do I want one?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> Yes, a switch is used to connect computers on the same subnet.  A 
> router
is
> used to connect subnets together.  A router is usually also a switch, 
> so
it
> can connect computers on the same subnet, AND connect one subnet to
another.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> Is there a difference between a switch and a router?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any device
> > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > workstation and is virtually always on.
> >
> > For the price, I would also highly recommend removing
> > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price and
> > have many benifits over hubs.
> >
> > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus if
> > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that are processing data 
> > split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each port gets the fill bandwidth.
> >
> > That's not including the security issues inherent with
> > hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
> > available ports rather than to the proper destination
> > port.
> >
> > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy chaining my 
> > > old 4 port router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The
> > > newer models even figure
> > > out what kind of cable you are using, crossover or
> > > regular.  The biggest
> > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp server
> > > so I had to turn off the
> > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also
> > > hardwired the address of
> > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4
> > > port routers isn't a
> > > panacea however since you now end up using two ports
> > > just for the daisy
> > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > > have a wireless so I can
> > > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > > other computers in if
> > > needed.
> > >
> > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the internet to 
> > > "call in" for programming.  I had to snake a cable down the
> > > wall from the living room
> > > (luckily exactly over my office in the basement).  I
> > > understand that the
> > > model II has USB ports that can automatically use
> > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > connect to the internet.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > > of)
> > >
> > >
> > > John:
> > >
> > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your 
> > > router to get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> > > from one router this
> > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > >
> > > I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes 
> > > takes a few minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> > > each other - especially on
> > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > > trying to get the network to
> > > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > > after a few minutes,
> > > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)" 
> > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>; "AccessD" 
> > > <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> > >
> > >
> > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > needed
> > > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> > > needing to plug in) and
> > > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > > time.  I then tried and
> > > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> > > around, so I ordered a
> > > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > > longer, a very long call to
> > > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > > >
> > > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > > anything out, they
> > > recommended
> > > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > > paycheck from my trip to work
> > > for
> > > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > > November 1997?  Getting a
> > > bit
> > > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > > >
> > > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > > before installing etc.
> > > And
> > > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > > mhz processor.  So I
> > > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
> > >  Still no joy.  The
> > > site
> > > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > > support assured me that if
> > > > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> > > >
> > > > Ignorant liars!
> > > >
> > > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > > around with a couple of
> > > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> > > in to the router config
> > > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > > thing I'm seeing on the
> > > laptop
> > > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > > >
> > > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> > > clear idea why) I have
> > > a
> > > > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> > > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > > >
> > > > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> > > play around, don't quit,
> > > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > > thing up so that others
> > > can't
> > > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > > anything since I don't really
> > > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
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> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  3 10:29:36 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:29:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227480@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEPFFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

DID YOU SAY BITMASK?  Sounds denormalized to me!

<very big grin>

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Think of a subnet as a neighborhood.  A network neighborhood.  The subnet
'mask' is a property in TCP/IP, which tells your machine what IP addresses
are around it.  It's a bitmask thing.

192.168.0.1, with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 tells the machine that
192.168.0.1 through 192.168.0.255 are around it.  If the bit is turned on in
the subnet mask, IP Addresses in that subnet must have a matching bit
(either on or off....), if it's turned off in the subnet, that bit in the IP
address can be different.  So 255.255.255.254 for a subnet, is a subnet of 2
machines.

The reason this is important, is because subnets control how much
broadcasting and browsing your machine must do, to locate other computers on
the network.  A subnet of 255.255.0.0 tells your computer there are 65k
machines on the subnet, and more then likely you will never find anything,
because it will eventually give up.  255.255.255.0 tells it there are 256
(255) computers on the subnet, which it should be able to find just fine.
However, if you have a smaller network, a smaller subnet speeds up the
'searching'.

That leads to what I was talking about earlier...the Gateway (router).  When
you tell a machine to go to 123.456.789.321, if that IP Address is not on
the subnet, it doesn't even bother looking, it just sends the request to the
gateway IP (router), so the router does the searching.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


O. What's a subnet?  And where do I get one?  And do I want one?

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> Yes, a switch is used to connect computers on the same subnet.  A router
is
> used to connect subnets together.  A router is usually also a switch, so
it
> can connect computers on the same subnet, AND connect one subnet to
another.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> Is there a difference between a switch and a router?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any device
> > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > workstation and is virtually always on.
> >
> > For the price, I would also highly recommend removing
> > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price and
> > have many benifits over hubs.
> >
> > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus if
> > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that are
> > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each
> > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> >
> > That's not including the security issues inherent with
> > hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
> > available ports rather than to the proper destination
> > port.
> >
> > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy
> > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The
> > > newer models even figure
> > > out what kind of cable you are using, crossover or
> > > regular.  The biggest
> > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp server
> > > so I had to turn off the
> > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also
> > > hardwired the address of
> > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4
> > > port routers isn't a
> > > panacea however since you now end up using two ports
> > > just for the daisy
> > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > > have a wireless so I can
> > > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > > other computers in if
> > > needed.
> > >
> > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the
> > > internet to "call in"
> > > for programming.  I had to snake a cable down the
> > > wall from the living room
> > > (luckily exactly over my office in the basement).  I
> > > understand that the
> > > model II has USB ports that can automatically use
> > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > connect to the internet.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > > of)
> > >
> > >
> > > John:
> > >
> > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> > > ports on your router to
> > > get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> > > from one router this
> > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > >
> > > I've also found that when creating a new network it
> > > sometimes takes a few
> > > minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> > > each other - especially on
> > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > > trying to get the network to
> > > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > > after a few minutes,
> > > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> > >
> > >
> > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > needed
> > > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> > > needing to plug in) and
> > > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > > time.  I then tried and
> > > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> > > around, so I ordered a
> > > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > > longer, a very long call to
> > > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > > >
> > > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > > anything out, they
> > > recommended
> > > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > > paycheck from my trip to work
> > > for
> > > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > > November 1997?  Getting a
> > > bit
> > > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > > >
> > > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > > before installing etc.
> > > And
> > > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > > mhz processor.  So I
> > > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
> > >  Still no joy.  The
> > > site
> > > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > > support assured me that if
> > > > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> > > >
> > > > Ignorant liars!
> > > >
> > > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > > around with a couple of
> > > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> > > in to the router config
> > > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > > thing I'm seeing on the
> > > laptop
> > > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > > >
> > > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> > > clear idea why) I have
> > > a
> > > > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> > > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > > >
> > > > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> > > play around, don't quit,
> > > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > > thing up so that others
> > > can't
> > > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > > anything since I don't really
> > > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon Nov  3 10:34:35 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:34:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3067C60D@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAFA5@ADGSERVER>

I have to have mine in XP format because we create an MDE from it.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.


Charlotte,

I would hope there is a better answer than that.  I intentionally leave my
client's dbs in A2K file format since AXP as the compact bug.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.


Hi Charlotte,

That was the problem exactly!  Thanks!

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.


This will happen if the file format you have currently selected is Access
2000 but the project was created and checked into VSS in 2002
format.   All you need to do is open a database and change your Access
file format to 2002 then pull a new database out of VSS.  Once you get the
crash, it's a good idea to delete the scc folder for the project so it will
be recreated when you pull the database out.  Otherwise, you sometimes have
problems with whatever caused the crash in the first place.

Charlotte Foust

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov  3 10:51:53 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 08:51:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312409@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

The problem only arises when the filetype you have set is later than the
one you created the project in. It isn't the version of Access you're
using, it's the file format your have to watch out for.  If you leave
your project in 2000 and have the file set to that type, you don't run
into any issues pulling a new database out of VSS.  The scc folders can
also get corrupted sometimes, or at least specific files in those
folders, so deleting them solves various problems when pulling a new
version out of VSS.  It's the first thing I do when I start getting
those charming crashes that phone home to Uncle Bill.<g>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 6:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.


Charlotte,

I would hope there is a better answer than that.  I intentionally leave
my client's dbs in A2K file format since AXP as the compact bug.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.


Hi Charlotte,

That was the problem exactly!  Thanks!

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Weird Access XP/SS problem-Answer.


This will happen if the file format you have currently selected is
Access 2000 but the project was created and checked into VSS in 2002
format.   All you need to do is open a database and change your Access
file format to 2002 then pull a new database out of VSS.  Once you get
the crash, it's a good idea to delete the scc folder for the project so
it will be recreated when you pull the database out.  Otherwise, you
sometimes have problems with whatever caused the crash in the first
place.

Charlotte Foust

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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Mon Nov  3 10:55:35 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 00:55:35 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
References: <00ec01c3a1f4$e7ffd0a0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
	<002a01c3a218$9a8f4020$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <001801c3a22b$4d765540$10c711d2@bitswshome>

yeah I've used this for a couple of years.  Was going to just post the code,
but Dev has a copy right notice.

Stuart


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format


> ...hey! ...nice find, works like a charm ...as it happens I have an
> immediate use for this little honey ...thanks :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:26 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
>
>
> > What you want is this:
> >
> > http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0018.htm
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Jim Lawrence (AccessD)
> > > Sent: Monday, 03 November, 2003 3:47 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi All:
> > >
> > > This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I can
> > > not remember or
> > > find the related code. (Advanced years and all)
> > >
> > > Can you set up Access to, under program control to
> > > run/display any file that
> > > the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf
> > > file, spreadsheet
> > > or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each
> > > type. I have
> > > written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there
> > > must be any easier
> > > way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web
> > > page can do this
> > > but can an Access program?
> > >
> > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> > >
> > > MTIA
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 10:55:15 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:55:15 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 Repair and Compact
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227485@main2.marlow.com>

Tony, I started creating a system that was a pretty simple and straight
forward method of shutting down end users.  What it used was named pipes.
Named pipes are a pretty easy method of communicating between machines.
Access handles the client code without a hitch.  However, the 'server' code
pauses the thread, which 'locks' Access.  

Essentially what would happen, is you have a VB program (ideally running as
an NT service).  That program sits and acts as a pipe 'server', and listens
to a named pipe.  The FE in Access has a hidden form that fires a timer
event, which used the client code to 'ask' the server what to do.  A simple
'Nothing' reply and it goes on it's way.  The communication is fast and
quick, and is very painless.  You then set a time line on the VB program,
where between a certain period, it starts sending out a 'Shutdown' command,
at which point the clients get 'Shutdown', instead of 'Nothing', and they
start shutting themselves down.

Because the Access FE's would be 'checking in', your VB program would have a
list of FE's that are online, so it would know when they all 'signed off',
and then you could run the compact.

Just a thought....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Septav [mailto:iggy at nanaimo.ark.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:08 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ACC97 Repair and Compact


Hey John
Mentioned to Dan, that one way around the problem, may be his automatic
shutdown suggestion (during the lag time).
Then Task Scheduler to run the repair and compact, then after a certain
time period have the Task Scheduler open the program again. Not as
pretty as automating but an alternative if need be.

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 10:58:50 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:58:50 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227486@main2.marlow.com>

Read Erwins post a little while ago, was waiting for your's before I
replied! <grin>

Erwin, switches also use NAT tables.  Because of this, they don't have to
broadcast everything in all directions.  They're 'smart', when a packet
comes in, they can properly direct it.  The downside to the NAT tables is
that if you blow the NAT table away, it has to be rebuilt, so sometimes on
an initial powerup, a switch may seem slower, which is simply the time it is
using to build the NAT tables.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


And they improve speed.

Because they do not SHARE the bandwidth amongst the
ports.  A 10-BaseT hub SHARES that speed amongst the
available ports.  This dividing the individual
bandwidth per port.

A switch allocates all available bandwidth on a PER
PORT basis.

Maybe you need to learn what you are talking about
before you give out false information.

--- Erwin Craps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> And to be correct, switches don't improve speed
> (compared to hub's) they
> improve bandwith and reduce collisions!!!
> Switches create virtual point to point connections.
> 
> Switches do improve speed compared to routers.
> 
> Erwin
> 
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens
> Frank Tanner III
> Verzonden: zaterdag 1 november 2003 16:23
> Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
> 
> 
> Switches will ALWAYS improve your speed over hubs.
> Period.
> 
> Hubs SHARE the same bandwidth on all ports. 
> Switches
> allocate the max bandwidth per port.
> 
> You are incorrect.
> 
> --- Erwin Craps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> > But switches have no sense in a 1 server
> environment
> > because all of the
> > trafic goes and comes from one point.
> > Unless your clients are 100Mb and the uplink to
> the
> > server is 1Gb.
> > 
> > People often believe switches will improve their
> > network speed, but that
> > is not always the case.
> > But indeed the prices of the switches have dropped
> > that you buy a switch
> > at the price of a good hub these days.
> > 
> > Erwin
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> > - Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:55 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> > 
> > 
> > Got it. I think.  Switch can route packet based on
> > IP address but can't
> > generate an IP address.  Yes?
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> > 
> > 
> > > It is sort of half-way, but not really.
> > >
> > > Switches are a "generation" better.  Hubs and
> > > switches, on their most basic level perform the
> > same function.  They
> > > distribute network traffic.  But HOW they
> > distribute that traffic is
> > > fundimentally different.
> > >
> > > Unless they're one of the newer layer 3 or layer
> 4 switches, they 
> > > cannot perform routing functions.
> > They
> > > just hand packets off from point A to point B.
> > Think
> > > of them as sort of a postman.  They have an
> > address
> > > for each device on the network and they hand off
> > each
> > > piece of mail to the appropriate address.  A
> hub,
> > > using this sama analagy would deliver the same
> > piece
> > > of mail to every house and the one that it
> > belonged to
> > > would be the one that actually reads it.
> > >
> > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > "but it's as close as I could think of without
> > > > getting too technical."
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.  Much appreciated.  So a switch is
> > like
> > > > halfway between a hub and
> > > > a router?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:36 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > (sort
> > > > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > A router and a switch are fundimentall
> > different
> > > > > things.
> > > > >
> > > > > A router does just that.  It routes network
> > > > traffic.
> > > > >
> > > > > A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.
> > > > >
> > > > > Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and
> > layer 4
> > > > > ones can perform both functions.This isn't
> an
> > > > exact
> > > > > definition, but it's as close as I could
> think
> > of
> > > > > without getting too technical.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Is there a difference between a switch and
> a
> > > > router?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rocky
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and
> > problem
> > > > > > solving"
> > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless
> network
> > > > (sort
> > > > > > of)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address
> of
> > any
> > > > > > device
> > > > > > > or server connected to your LAN that's
> not
> > a workstation and
> > > > > > > is virtually always on.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For the price, I would also highly
> > recommend
> > > > > > removing
> > > > > > > all hubs from your network and using
> them
> > as doorstops.
> > > > > > > Switches have come way down in
> > > > price
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all
> > ports.
> > > > Thus
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all
> ports
> > > > that
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A
> 
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Mon Nov  3 11:00:02 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Mon,  3 Nov 2003 18:00:02 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] Hourly Backups Of Access Data
Message-ID: <16207489.1067878802360.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>

To all,
Is there anyway I can create a backup of all the tables in a database, without bringing all the users out of the database.
Paul

From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov  3 11:00:16 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:00:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227483@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEGMFEAA.john@winhaven.net>

dittos here: aka "My Bullpen"

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:19 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
> 
> 
> I just put my servers in the closet.  Don't care how noisy they 
> get.  Can't
> hear them! <grin>
> 
> Drew
> 



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  3 11:00:30 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:00:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <001801c3a22b$4d765540$10c711d2@bitswshome>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEPIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I THINK as long as the code says "you may use as long as the copyright
notice remains" and you post the whole thing with the copyright notice, it
is legal to post the code, especially as it isn't embedded in an EZine.
It's always safer to just post the link though.  People like visitors to
their site..

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format


yeah I've used this for a couple of years.  Was going to just post the code,
but Dev has a copy right notice.

Stuart


----- Original Message -----
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format


> ...hey! ...nice find, works like a charm ...as it happens I have an
> immediate use for this little honey ...thanks :)
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:26 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
>
>
> > What you want is this:
> >
> > http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0018.htm
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Jim Lawrence (AccessD)
> > > Sent: Monday, 03 November, 2003 3:47 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi All:
> > >
> > > This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I can
> > > not remember or
> > > find the related code. (Advanced years and all)
> > >
> > > Can you set up Access to, under program control to
> > > run/display any file that
> > > the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf
> > > file, spreadsheet
> > > or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each
> > > type. I have
> > > written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there
> > > must be any easier
> > > way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web
> > > page can do this
> > > but can an Access program?
> > >
> > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> > >
> > > MTIA
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 11:00:36 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:00:36 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227487@main2.marlow.com>

I agree.  Even though a lot of this thread should have been posted to the
Tech list, I think there has been really good information for Access folks,
since one of the big issues with Access is network connectivity.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 9:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


It has nothing to do with "mine is bigger than yours".

It has to do with him spreading false information as
the truth.

How would you respond if people were spreading
misinformation about Access?

--- Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Please, can't this never-ending "mine is bigger than
> yours" be moved
> to the techno list - or better: to the eternal
> fields of bits?
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > Maybe you need to learn what you are talking about
> > before you give out false information.
> 
> >> You are incorrect.
> 
> > === message truncated ===
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  3 11:03:20 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:03:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C6666@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEPIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

GREAT policy!  It should get more of this list signed up for the other lists
especially the tech list.

Good job moderators!

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Nicely put. However <bzzzzz!> by being the first person to post to this
thread today, you fall foul of a new policy just agreed between myself and
the other moderators. Don't take it personally...

EVERYONE PLEASE NOTE: from now on we will be insisting that responses to
questions which really belong on one of the other lists MUST be made on the
appropriate list and not on AccessD.

Initial requests for help can still be sent to AccessD, until it becomes
clear that we have enough subscribers on the other lists to make it
unneccessary, but all responses should be sent to the VB, SQL-Server or Tech
list.

We will be sending out an official email to that effect sometime soon.

If you disagree with the policy please send a mail to
ops-mod at databaseadvisors.com and we will consider your views.

Thanks

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: 03 November 2003 16:08
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Think of a subnet as a neighborhood.  A network neighborhood.  The subnet
'mask' is a property in TCP/IP, which tells your machine what IP addresses
are around it.  It's a bitmask thing.

192.168.0.1, with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 tells the machine that
192.168.0.1 through 192.168.0.255 are around it.  If the bit is turned on in
the subnet mask, IP Addresses in that subnet must have a matching bit
(either on or off....), if it's turned off in the subnet, that bit in the IP
address can be different.  So 255.255.255.254 for a subnet, is a subnet of 2
machines.

The reason this is important, is because subnets control how much
broadcasting and browsing your machine must do, to locate other computers on
the network.  A subnet of 255.255.0.0 tells your computer there are 65k
machines on the subnet, and more then likely you will never find anything,
because it will eventually give up.  255.255.255.0 tells it there are 256
(255) computers on the subnet, which it should be able to find just fine.
However, if you have a smaller network, a smaller subnet speeds up the
'searching'.

That leads to what I was talking about earlier...the Gateway (router).  When
you tell a machine to go to 123.456.789.321, if that IP Address is not on
the subnet, it doesn't even bother looking, it just sends the request to the
gateway IP (router), so the router does the searching.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


O. What's a subnet?  And where do I get one?  And do I want one?

Rocky



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 11:04:44 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:04:44 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227489@main2.marlow.com>

Use ADO.  It will let you treat Excel just like any other recordset.  

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:18 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)


To all,
We are operating Office XP Professional and I have started to write a little
scheduling application.  Every so often we will have an Excel Workbook
containing three spreadsheets, what I need to be able to do is link into the
Workbook to bring a certain clients data in from the second sheet.
The fields in the workbook are as follows:
StoreNo, HolidayWeek, Sun, Mon, Tue, Wed, Thur, Fri, Sat
StoreNo contain the store number and if there is a certain week that we
cannot go to the store the week commencing date wil be entered under
HolidayWeek.  If there is a certain day or multiple days that we cannot go
to the store, the individual dates will be stored under the day of the week.
Now I have a tbale with the following fields :
StoreNo, BlackoutWeek, BlackoutDay
I need to link into Excel and bring the data in from the Excel spreadsheet
into the table above.
So I may end up with
StoreNo            BlackoutWeek             BlackoutDay
1                                                              27/01/04
1                                                              28/01/04
1                          04/01/04
etc, has anyone any sample code on how to link into the Excel spreadsheet an
retrieve the data.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Paul Hartland
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Nov  3 11:17:26 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:17:26 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7889@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Golly Gosh. That's such a great piece of example code <vbg>

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent:	Monday, November 03, 2003 12:05 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)
> 
> Use ADO.  It will let you treat Excel just like any other recordset.  
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:18 AM
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)
> 
> 
> To all,
> We are operating Office XP Professional and I have started to write a
> little
> scheduling application.  Every so often we will have an Excel Workbook
> containing three spreadsheets, what I need to be able to do is link into
> the
> Workbook to bring a certain clients data in from the second sheet.
> The fields in the workbook are as follows:
> StoreNo, HolidayWeek, Sun, Mon, Tue, Wed, Thur, Fri, Sat
> StoreNo contain the store number and if there is a certain week that we
> cannot go to the store the week commencing date wil be entered under
> HolidayWeek.  If there is a certain day or multiple days that we cannot go
> to the store, the individual dates will be stored under the day of the
> week.
> Now I have a tbale with the following fields :
> StoreNo, BlackoutWeek, BlackoutDay
> I need to link into Excel and bring the data in from the Excel spreadsheet
> into the table above.
> So I may end up with
> StoreNo            BlackoutWeek             BlackoutDay
> 1                                                              27/01/04
> 1                                                              28/01/04
> 1                          04/01/04
> etc, has anyone any sample code on how to link into the Excel spreadsheet
> an
> retrieve the data.
> Thanks in advance for any help.
> Paul Hartland
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov  3 11:19:06 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:19:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Urgent Help Access - Can't Find MSYSDB
In-Reply-To: <18619615.1067874816000.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>
References: <18619615.1067874816000.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>
Message-ID: <4733641233.20031103181906@cactus.dk>

Hi Paul

Just noticed this link.
Don't know if it is relevant for your situation:

  http://dbforums.com/arch/105/2003/9/718793

/gustav


> Date: 2003-11-03 16:53

> To all,
> We have just had and error message up saying can't find MSysDb, we can't repair it or import tables from this database at all.  Is there a way of restoring the database, to save us going to a
> backup version ?
> Please help as quickly as possible, thanks,
> Paul Hartland


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 11:35:55 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:35:55 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222748B@main2.marlow.com>

I never take it personally, I put up with JC, don't I! <evilgrin>

I have sent an email to the address you listed, as requested.  I ask that
others on the list do so also.  The gist of my email was that networking
topics are definitely related to Access.  Many developers are pitted against
IT pros who like to make db developers spin in circles.  Though many topics
certainly need homes on other lists, networking is definitely a skill that
Access Developers should have under their belt.  So if you have ever been
corned by IT network folks, or have to develop and network, or even think
you may find the knowledge of networking threads handy in future Access
endeavors, please voice your opinions to the email address Roz provided.

Not trying to rock the boat on this.  I joined OT and Tech because I too
wanted to cause less clutter to the lists, but I personally disagree with
this topic being 'non-Access' related.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Nicely put. However <bzzzzz!> by being the first person to post to this
thread today, you fall foul of a new policy just agreed between myself and
the other moderators. Don't take it personally...

EVERYONE PLEASE NOTE: from now on we will be insisting that responses to
questions which really belong on one of the other lists MUST be made on the
appropriate list and not on AccessD.

Initial requests for help can still be sent to AccessD, until it becomes
clear that we have enough subscribers on the other lists to make it
unneccessary, but all responses should be sent to the VB, SQL-Server or Tech
list.

We will be sending out an official email to that effect sometime soon.

If you disagree with the policy please send a mail to
ops-mod at databaseadvisors.com and we will consider your views.

Thanks

Roz


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov  3 11:37:18 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:37:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Urgent Help Access - Can't Find MSYSDB
References: <18619615.1067874816000.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>
Message-ID: <013601c3a231$211271e0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Paul

...what Jet SP are you running ...this was a bug in SP5 and supposedly fixed
in later versions ...if this is the problem, updating to the latest Jet
should fix your problem ...good luck :)

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <paul.hartland at fsmail.net>
To: "accessd" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:53 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT Urgent Help Access - Can't Find MSYSDB


> To all,
> We have just had and error message up saying can't find MSysDb, we can't
repair it or import tables from this database at all.  Is there a way of
restoring the database, to save us going to a backup version ?
> Please help as quickly as possible, thanks,
> Paul Hartland
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 11:37:48 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:37:48 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] Networking   Was:(OT: Wireless network (sort of))
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222748C@main2.marlow.com>

Hey, I just got buzzed.  Not that I mind being buzzed, but with running on
no sleep and having a long day ahead of me, I don't think my drive home
would be safe if I got buzzed again! <grin> (Sorry Roz....I had to reply to
this!)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


DID YOU SAY BITMASK?  Sounds denormalized to me!

<very big grin>

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 11:40:39 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:40:39 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222748D@main2.marlow.com>

To tie this into an Access related (actually AccessD related) post, in my
old place (one before the fire), I had my servers near the foot of my
bed...and those things were NOISY.  Of course, one of the fans was going
out, so that didn't help! <grin> But now that they're in the closet, I can
soundly sleep at night, and still host the archives! <grin> (Come on, give
me points for trying to tie that in!)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer


dittos here: aka "My Bullpen"

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:19 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
> 
> 
> I just put my servers in the closet.  Don't care how noisy they 
> get.  Can't
> hear them! <grin>
> 
> Drew
> 


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 11:42:35 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:42:35 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] Hourly Backups Of Access Data
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222748E@main2.marlow.com>

Ya, just import them into a new db.  You should be able to import them
without having to kick anyone out!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:00 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Hourly Backups Of Access Data


To all,
Is there anyway I can create a backup of all the tables in a database,
without bringing all the users out of the database.
Paul
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 11:53:44 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:53:44 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222748F@main2.marlow.com>

Wasn't it.  It was true air code....

How about: http://www.wolfwares.com/accessd/postinfo.asp?Post=42267

And

http://planetsourcecode.com/vb/scripts/ShowCode.asp?txtCodeId=39892&lngWId=1

And

http://www.wolfwares.com/accessd/postinfo.asp?Post=24221

Is that better? Sorry posted code before....<grin>  Need to clean up my data
files, cause they're WAY too cluttered at the moment.  

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:17 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)


Golly Gosh. That's such a great piece of example code <vbg>

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent:	Monday, November 03, 2003 12:05 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)
> 
> Use ADO.  It will let you treat Excel just like any other recordset.  
> 
> Drew
> 

From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov  3 12:08:18 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:08:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Hourly Backups Of Access Data
In-Reply-To: <16207489.1067878802360.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJCEHCFEAA.john@winhaven.net>

Paul,
I just looked at my backup routine but it won't work for you, uses
CompactDatabase. Guess I should create a new one.

(Thinking out loud here) how about:
Create a routine to export all of the tables and data to a new DB. That
shouldn't affect any of the users.

Create a seperate routine that clears the tables and imports/appends it all
back in just in case you need to restore the data. If that case arises it
would probably mean the users can't get in anyway - otherwise you would have
to kick them all out.

This would alleviate worrying about relationships, etc.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> paul.hartland at fsmail.net
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:00 AM
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] Hourly Backups Of Access Data
>
>
> To all,
> Is there anyway I can create a backup of all the tables in a
> database, without bringing all the users out of the database.
> Paul
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Nov  3 12:14:50 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 07:14:50 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] How to prevent a mess
In-Reply-To: <20031103085642.1503239058.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031104071109.00b6b8f8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Have you considered indirect synchronization.  Basically the remote users 
have dropboxes set up on the server.  They dial into the server and do 
their synchronization when they are ready.  Check out the replication white 
papers etc for information.  Here is a list of some resources for A97 (not 
sure if the links still work).  Updated copies of most of them are 
available for A2K and A02 -

Building Applications with Microsoft Access 97

Access 97 Developers Handbook (Litwin, Getz, Gilbert)

Database Replication in Microsoft Jet (Tony Poll - Microsoft Replication 
White Paper)
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q164553

Microsoft Jet Database Replication (Peter Bateman, Bruce Schatzman)

Microsoft Access 97 Replication Site
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/support/access/content/repl/replication.asp

Internet Synchronization with Microsoft Jet 3.5 (Michael Wachal)
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q181371

Search for replication here
http://msdn.microsoft.com/default.asp

Microsoft Knowledgebase

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205


At 3/11/2003, you wrote:
>Dear Group,
>
>I've been enlightened by Michael Kaplan's explanation of the perils of 
>copying replicas and not going through a proper replication sequence with 
>CD copies back and forth.
>
>The question is: what now? The independent laptops are scattered around 
>the state and its *very* inconvenient for them to come back to do a 
>physical replication. Money to write a custom synchronization process is 
>simply not available.
>
>I note from Kaplan's explanations that if the replicas are unmanaged -- 
>that is, Synchronizer is not used -- then certain types of problems can be 
>avoided. Also problems can be avoided by using the built-in Access methods 
>for moving replicas or by using TSI Synchronizer.
>
>He also mentions using the Briefcase reconciler, but that doesn't exist in 
>Windows 2000 or XP, does it?
>
>I'm trying to avoid creating a mess. The application is in more or less a 
>beta stage now, so we could start from scratch with a new Replication 
>strategy. Any advice?
>
>Regards,
>
>Steve Erbach
>Scientific Marketing
>Neenah, WI
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Nov  3 12:18:41 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:18:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227480@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <016801c3a236$e8f85b70$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

So I just did and IPCONFIG through the dos command and find my IP is
192.168.1.101 and the subnet is 255.255.255.0.

So does my router think I might have as many as 256 machines (or addressable
devices, I guess) connected to IP 192.168.1.101?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:08 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> Think of a subnet as a neighborhood.  A network neighborhood.  The subnet
> 'mask' is a property in TCP/IP, which tells your machine what IP addresses
> are around it.  It's a bitmask thing.
>
> 192.168.0.1, with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 tells the machine that
> 192.168.0.1 through 192.168.0.255 are around it.  If the bit is turned on
in
> the subnet mask, IP Addresses in that subnet must have a matching bit
> (either on or off....), if it's turned off in the subnet, that bit in the
IP
> address can be different.  So 255.255.255.254 for a subnet, is a subnet of
2
> machines.
>
> The reason this is important, is because subnets control how much
> broadcasting and browsing your machine must do, to locate other computers
on
> the network.  A subnet of 255.255.0.0 tells your computer there are 65k
> machines on the subnet, and more then likely you will never find anything,
> because it will eventually give up.  255.255.255.0 tells it there are 256
> (255) computers on the subnet, which it should be able to find just fine.
> However, if you have a smaller network, a smaller subnet speeds up the
> 'searching'.
>
> That leads to what I was talking about earlier...the Gateway (router).
When
> you tell a machine to go to 123.456.789.321, if that IP Address is not on
> the subnet, it doesn't even bother looking, it just sends the request to
the
> gateway IP (router), so the router does the searching.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:53 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> O. What's a subnet?  And where do I get one?  And do I want one?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> > Yes, a switch is used to connect computers on the same subnet.  A router
> is
> > used to connect subnets together.  A router is usually also a switch, so
> it
> > can connect computers on the same subnet, AND connect one subnet to
> another.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > Is there a difference between a switch and a router?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any device
> > > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > > workstation and is virtually always on.
> > >
> > > For the price, I would also highly recommend removing
> > > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price and
> > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > >
> > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus if
> > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that are
> > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each
> > > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> > >
> > > That's not including the security issues inherent with
> > > hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
> > > available ports rather than to the proper destination
> > > port.
> > >
> > > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy
> > > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > > router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The
> > > > newer models even figure
> > > > out what kind of cable you are using, crossover or
> > > > regular.  The biggest
> > > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp server
> > > > so I had to turn off the
> > > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also
> > > > hardwired the address of
> > > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4
> > > > port routers isn't a
> > > > panacea however since you now end up using two ports
> > > > just for the daisy
> > > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > > > have a wireless so I can
> > > > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > > > other computers in if
> > > > needed.
> > > >
> > > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the
> > > > internet to "call in"
> > > > for programming.  I had to snake a cable down the
> > > > wall from the living room
> > > > (luckily exactly over my office in the basement).  I
> > > > understand that the
> > > > model II has USB ports that can automatically use
> > > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > > connect to the internet.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > > > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John:
> > > >
> > > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> > > > ports on your router to
> > > > get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> > > > from one router this
> > > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > > >
> > > > I've also found that when creating a new network it
> > > > sometimes takes a few
> > > > minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> > > > each other - especially on
> > > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > > > trying to get the network to
> > > > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > > > after a few minutes,
> > > > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > > > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > > needed
> > > > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> > > > needing to plug in) and
> > > > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > > > time.  I then tried and
> > > > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> > > > around, so I ordered a
> > > > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > > > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > > > longer, a very long call to
> > > > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > > > anything out, they
> > > > recommended
> > > > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > > > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > > > paycheck from my trip to work
> > > > for
> > > > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > > > November 1997?  Getting a
> > > > bit
> > > > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > > > >
> > > > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > > > before installing etc.
> > > > And
> > > > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > > > mhz processor.  So I
> > > > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > > > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
> > > >  Still no joy.  The
> > > > site
> > > > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > > > support assured me that if
> > > > > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ignorant liars!
> > > > >
> > > > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > > > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > > > around with a couple of
> > > > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> > > > in to the router config
> > > > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > > > thing I'm seeing on the
> > > > laptop
> > > > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> > > > clear idea why) I have
> > > > a
> > > > > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> > > > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > > > >
> > > > > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> > > > play around, don't quit,
> > > > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > > > thing up so that others
> > > > can't
> > > > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > > > anything since I don't really
> > > > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > > > >
> > > > > John W. Colby
> > > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Nov  3 12:19:25 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:19:25 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C6666@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <016e01c3a237$0342db40$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Aw Roz can't we finish this one here?  I'm not subscribed to Tech.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:24 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> Nicely put. However <bzzzzz!> by being the first person to post to this
> thread today, you fall foul of a new policy just agreed between myself and
> the other moderators. Don't take it personally...
>
> EVERYONE PLEASE NOTE: from now on we will be insisting that responses to
> questions which really belong on one of the other lists MUST be made on
the
> appropriate list and not on AccessD.
>
> Initial requests for help can still be sent to AccessD, until it becomes
> clear that we have enough subscribers on the other lists to make it
> unneccessary, but all responses should be sent to the VB, SQL-Server or
Tech
> list.
>
> We will be sending out an official email to that effect sometime soon.
>
> If you disagree with the policy please send a mail to
> ops-mod at databaseadvisors.com and we will consider your views.
>
> Thanks
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent: 03 November 2003 16:08
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> Think of a subnet as a neighborhood.  A network neighborhood.  The subnet
> 'mask' is a property in TCP/IP, which tells your machine what IP addresses
> are around it.  It's a bitmask thing.
>
> 192.168.0.1, with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 tells the machine that
> 192.168.0.1 through 192.168.0.255 are around it.  If the bit is turned on
in
> the subnet mask, IP Addresses in that subnet must have a matching bit
> (either on or off....), if it's turned off in the subnet, that bit in the
IP
> address can be different.  So 255.255.255.254 for a subnet, is a subnet of
2
> machines.
>
> The reason this is important, is because subnets control how much
> broadcasting and browsing your machine must do, to locate other computers
on
> the network.  A subnet of 255.255.0.0 tells your computer there are 65k
> machines on the subnet, and more then likely you will never find anything,
> because it will eventually give up.  255.255.255.0 tells it there are 256
> (255) computers on the subnet, which it should be able to find just fine.
> However, if you have a smaller network, a smaller subnet speeds up the
> 'searching'.
>
> That leads to what I was talking about earlier...the Gateway (router).
When
> you tell a machine to go to 123.456.789.321, if that IP Address is not on
> the subnet, it doesn't even bother looking, it just sends the request to
the
> gateway IP (router), so the router does the searching.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:53 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> O. What's a subnet?  And where do I get one?  And do I want one?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> > Yes, a switch is used to connect computers on the same subnet.  A
> > router
> is
> > used to connect subnets together.  A router is usually also a switch,
> > so
> it
> > can connect computers on the same subnet, AND connect one subnet to
> another.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > Is there a difference between a switch and a router?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any device
> > > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > > workstation and is virtually always on.
> > >
> > > For the price, I would also highly recommend removing
> > > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price and
> > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > >
> > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus if
> > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that are processing data
> > > split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each port gets the fill bandwidth.
> > >
> > > That's not including the security issues inherent with
> > > hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
> > > available ports rather than to the proper destination
> > > port.
> > >
> > > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy chaining my
> > > > old 4 port router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The
> > > > newer models even figure
> > > > out what kind of cable you are using, crossover or
> > > > regular.  The biggest
> > > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp server
> > > > so I had to turn off the
> > > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also
> > > > hardwired the address of
> > > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4
> > > > port routers isn't a
> > > > panacea however since you now end up using two ports
> > > > just for the daisy
> > > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > > > have a wireless so I can
> > > > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > > > other computers in if
> > > > needed.
> > > >
> > > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the internet to
> > > > "call in" for programming.  I had to snake a cable down the
> > > > wall from the living room
> > > > (luckily exactly over my office in the basement).  I
> > > > understand that the
> > > > model II has USB ports that can automatically use
> > > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > > connect to the internet.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > > > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John:
> > > >
> > > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on your
> > > > router to get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> > > > from one router this
> > > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > > >
> > > > I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes
> > > > takes a few minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> > > > each other - especially on
> > > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > > > trying to get the network to
> > > > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > > > after a few minutes,
> > > > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>; "AccessD"
> > > > <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > > needed
> > > > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> > > > needing to plug in) and
> > > > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > > > time.  I then tried and
> > > > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> > > > around, so I ordered a
> > > > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > > > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > > > longer, a very long call to
> > > > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > > > anything out, they
> > > > recommended
> > > > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > > > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > > > paycheck from my trip to work
> > > > for
> > > > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > > > November 1997?  Getting a
> > > > bit
> > > > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > > > >
> > > > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > > > before installing etc.
> > > > And
> > > > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > > > mhz processor.  So I
> > > > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > > > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
> > > >  Still no joy.  The
> > > > site
> > > > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > > > support assured me that if
> > > > > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ignorant liars!
> > > > >
> > > > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > > > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > > > around with a couple of
> > > > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> > > > in to the router config
> > > > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > > > thing I'm seeing on the
> > > > laptop
> > > > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> > > > clear idea why) I have
> > > > a
> > > > > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> > > > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > > > >
> > > > > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> > > > play around, don't quit,
> > > > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > > > thing up so that others
> > > > can't
> > > > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > > > anything since I don't really
> > > > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > > > >
> > > > > John W. Colby
> > > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Mon Nov  3 12:27:43 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:27:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <20031103182743.ZTSM2344.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.20]>

> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>

> Aw Roz can't we finish this one here?  I'm not subscribed to Tech.

Just so that you don't think Roz is the bad guy...

Nope. This thread, on AccessD is.....

Done. 

Finished.


--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Unfortunately common sense isn't so common!


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  3 12:33:22 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:33:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <20031103182743.ZTSM2344.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.20]>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEPPFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Kaputz

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 1:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>

> Aw Roz can't we finish this one here?  I'm not subscribed to Tech.

Just so that you don't think Roz is the bad guy...

Nope. This thread, on AccessD is.....

Done. 

Finished.


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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Mon Nov  3 12:41:09 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:41:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227486@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKKEFEHMAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Drew/Erwin,

  One minor correction.  Switches don't use NAT tables.  They use MAC
Address lists and ARP tables.  NAT is something done only in a router.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Read Erwins post a little while ago, was waiting for your's before I
replied! <grin>

Erwin, switches also use NAT tables.  Because of this, they don't have to
broadcast everything in all directions.  They're 'smart', when a packet
comes in, they can properly direct it.  The downside to the NAT tables is
that if you blow the NAT table away, it has to be rebuilt, so sometimes on
an initial powerup, a switch may seem slower, which is simply the time it is
using to build the NAT tables.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


And they improve speed.

Because they do not SHARE the bandwidth amongst the
ports.  A 10-BaseT hub SHARES that speed amongst the
available ports.  This dividing the individual
bandwidth per port.

A switch allocates all available bandwidth on a PER
PORT basis.

Maybe you need to learn what you are talking about
before you give out false information.

--- Erwin Craps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> And to be correct, switches don't improve speed
> (compared to hub's) they
> improve bandwith and reduce collisions!!!
> Switches create virtual point to point connections.
>
> Switches do improve speed compared to routers.
>
> Erwin
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens
> Frank Tanner III
> Verzonden: zaterdag 1 november 2003 16:23
> Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
>
>
> Switches will ALWAYS improve your speed over hubs.
> Period.
>
> Hubs SHARE the same bandwidth on all ports.
> Switches
> allocate the max bandwidth per port.
>
> You are incorrect.
>
> --- Erwin Craps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> > But switches have no sense in a 1 server
> environment
> > because all of the
> > trafic goes and comes from one point.
> > Unless your clients are 100Mb and the uplink to
> the
> > server is 1Gb.
> >
> > People often believe switches will improve their
> > network speed, but that
> > is not always the case.
> > But indeed the prices of the switches have dropped
> > that you buy a switch
> > at the price of a good hub these days.
> >
> > Erwin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> > - Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:55 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> >
> >
> > Got it. I think.  Switch can route packet based on
> > IP address but can't
> > generate an IP address.  Yes?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> >
> >
> > > It is sort of half-way, but not really.
> > >
> > > Switches are a "generation" better.  Hubs and
> > > switches, on their most basic level perform the
> > same function.  They
> > > distribute network traffic.  But HOW they
> > distribute that traffic is
> > > fundimentally different.
> > >
> > > Unless they're one of the newer layer 3 or layer
> 4 switches, they
> > > cannot perform routing functions.
> > They
> > > just hand packets off from point A to point B.
> > Think
> > > of them as sort of a postman.  They have an
> > address
> > > for each device on the network and they hand off
> > each
> > > piece of mail to the appropriate address.  A
> hub,
> > > using this sama analagy would deliver the same
> > piece
> > > of mail to every house and the one that it
> > belonged to
> > > would be the one that actually reads it.
> > >
> > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > "but it's as close as I could think of without
> > > > getting too technical."
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.  Much appreciated.  So a switch is
> > like
> > > > halfway between a hub and
> > > > a router?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:36 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > (sort
> > > > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > A router and a switch are fundimentall
> > different
> > > > > things.
> > > > >
> > > > > A router does just that.  It routes network
> > > > traffic.
> > > > >
> > > > > A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.
> > > > >
> > > > > Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and
> > layer 4
> > > > > ones can perform both functions.This isn't
> an
> > > > exact
> > > > > definition, but it's as close as I could
> think
> > of
> > > > > without getting too technical.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Is there a difference between a switch and
> a
> > > > router?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rocky
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and
> > problem
> > > > > > solving"
> > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless
> network
> > > > (sort
> > > > > > of)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address
> of
> > any
> > > > > > device
> > > > > > > or server connected to your LAN that's
> not
> > a workstation and
> > > > > > > is virtually always on.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For the price, I would also highly
> > recommend
> > > > > > removing
> > > > > > > all hubs from your network and using
> them
> > as doorstops.
> > > > > > > Switches have come way down in
> > > > price
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all
> > ports.
> > > > Thus
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all
> ports
> > > > that
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A
>
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Nov  3 12:46:29 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:46:29 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD788A@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Much better! :-)

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent:	Monday, November 03, 2003 12:54 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)
> 
> Wasn't it.  It was true air code....
> 
> How about: http://www.wolfwares.com/accessd/postinfo.asp?Post=42267
> 
> And
> 
> http://planetsourcecode.com/vb/scripts/ShowCode.asp?txtCodeId=39892&lngWId
> =1
> 
> And
> 
> http://www.wolfwares.com/accessd/postinfo.asp?Post=24221
> 
> Is that better? Sorry posted code before....<grin>  Need to clean up my
> data
> files, cause they're WAY too cluttered at the moment.  
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:17 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)
> 
> 
> Golly Gosh. That's such a great piece of example code <vbg>
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent:	Monday, November 03, 2003 12:05 PM
> > To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Connecting To Excel via Code (module)
> > 
> > Use ADO.  It will let you treat Excel just like any other recordset.  
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Nov  3 12:59:09 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:59:09 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
In-Reply-To: <016e01c3a237$0342db40$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <006f01c3a23c$906e6fc0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Rocky
Then please do sub to dba-tech. The more the better.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: 03 November 2003 18:19
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> 
> 
> Aw Roz can't we finish this one here?  I'm not subscribed to Tech.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:24 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> 
> 
> > Nicely put. However <bzzzzz!> by being the first person to post to 
> > this thread today, you fall foul of a new policy just 
> agreed between 
> > myself and the other moderators. Don't take it personally...
> >
> > EVERYONE PLEASE NOTE: from now on we will be insisting that 
> responses 
> > to questions which really belong on one of the other lists MUST be 
> > made on
> the
> > appropriate list and not on AccessD.
> >
> > Initial requests for help can still be sent to AccessD, until it 
> > becomes clear that we have enough subscribers on the other lists to 
> > make it unneccessary, but all responses should be sent to the VB, 
> > SQL-Server or
> Tech
> > list.
> >
> > We will be sending out an official email to that effect 
> sometime soon.
> >
> > If you disagree with the policy please send a mail to 
> > ops-mod at databaseadvisors.com and we will consider your views.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Roz
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent: 03 November 2003 16:08
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > Think of a subnet as a neighborhood.  A network neighborhood.  The 
> > subnet 'mask' is a property in TCP/IP, which tells your 
> machine what 
> > IP addresses are around it.  It's a bitmask thing.
> >
> > 192.168.0.1, with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 tells the machine 
> > that 192.168.0.1 through 192.168.0.255 are around it.  If 
> the bit is 
> > turned on
> in
> > the subnet mask, IP Addresses in that subnet must have a 
> matching bit 
> > (either on or off....), if it's turned off in the subnet, 
> that bit in 
> > the
> IP
> > address can be different.  So 255.255.255.254 for a subnet, is a 
> > subnet of
> 2
> > machines.
> >
> > The reason this is important, is because subnets control how much 
> > broadcasting and browsing your machine must do, to locate other 
> > computers
> on
> > the network.  A subnet of 255.255.0.0 tells your computer there are 
> > 65k machines on the subnet, and more then likely you will 
> never find 
> > anything, because it will eventually give up.  
> 255.255.255.0 tells it 
> > there are 256
> > (255) computers on the subnet, which it should be able to 
> find just fine.
> > However, if you have a smaller network, a smaller subnet 
> speeds up the
> > 'searching'.
> >
> > That leads to what I was talking about earlier...the 
> Gateway (router).
> When
> > you tell a machine to go to 123.456.789.321, if that IP 
> Address is not 
> > on the subnet, it doesn't even bother looking, it just sends the 
> > request to
> the
> > gateway IP (router), so the router does the searching.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:53 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > O. What's a subnet?  And where do I get one?  And do I want one?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > > Yes, a switch is used to connect computers on the same subnet.  A 
> > > router
> > is
> > > used to connect subnets together.  A router is usually also a 
> > > switch, so
> > it
> > > can connect computers on the same subnet, AND connect one 
> subnet to
> > another.
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> > >
> > >
> > > Is there a difference between a switch and a router?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> > >
> > >
> > > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any device
> > > > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > > > workstation and is virtually always on.
> > > >
> > > > For the price, I would also highly recommend removing
> > > > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > > > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price and
> > > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > > >
> > > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus if
> > > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that are processing 
> > > > data split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each port gets the fill 
> > > > bandwidth.
> > > >
> > > > That's not including the security issues inherent with hubs as 
> > > > they broadcast all available data to all available ports rather 
> > > > than to the proper destination port.
> > > >
> > > > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy 
> chaining my 
> > > > > old 4 port router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The 
> > > > > newer models even figure out what kind of cable you 
> are using, 
> > > > > crossover or regular.  The biggest
> > > > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp server
> > > > > so I had to turn off the
> > > > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also
> > > > > hardwired the address of
> > > > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4
> > > > > port routers isn't a
> > > > > panacea however since you now end up using two ports
> > > > > just for the daisy
> > > > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > > > > have a wireless so I can
> > > > > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > > > > other computers in if
> > > > > needed.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the 
> internet to 
> > > > > "call in" for programming.  I had to snake a cable 
> down the wall 
> > > > > from the living room (luckily exactly over my office in the 
> > > > > basement).  I understand that the
> > > > > model II has USB ports that can automatically use
> > > > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > > > connect to the internet.
> > > > >
> > > > > John W. Colby
> > > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > > > > of)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > John:
> > > > >
> > > > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the ports on 
> > > > > your router to get more ports and that you can go up to 255 
> > > > > devices from one router this way.  Seems to easy and cheap, 
> > > > > though.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've also found that when creating a new network it sometimes 
> > > > > takes a few minutes for the different shared devices to 'see' 
> > > > > each other - especially on the wireless.  So I'll 
> whang around 
> > > > > frustrated trying to get the network to
> > > > > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > > > > after a few minutes,
> > > > > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > > > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)" 
> > > > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>; "AccessD" 
> > > > > <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > > > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > > > needed
> > > > > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> > > > > needing to plug in) and
> > > > > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > > > > time.  I then tried and
> > > > > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> > > > > around, so I ordered a
> > > > > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > > > > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > > > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > > > > longer, a very long call to
> > > > > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > > > > anything out, they
> > > > > recommended
> > > > > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > > > > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > > > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > > > > paycheck from my trip to work
> > > > > for
> > > > > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > > > > November 1997?  Getting a
> > > > > bit
> > > > > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > > > > before installing etc.
> > > > > And
> > > > > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > > > > mhz processor.  So I
> > > > > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > > > > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > > > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
> > > > >  Still no joy.  The
> > > > > site
> > > > > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > > > > support assured me that if
> > > > > > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ignorant liars!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > > > > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > > > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > > > > around with a couple of
> > > > > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> > > > > in to the router config
> > > > > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > > > > thing I'm seeing on the
> > > > > laptop
> > > > > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> > > > > clear idea why) I have
> > > > > a
> > > > > > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> > > > > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> > > > > play around, don't quit,
> > > > > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > > > > thing up so that others
> > > > > can't
> > > > > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > > > > anything since I don't really
> > > > > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John W. Colby
> > > > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Mon Nov  3 13:05:14 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:05:14 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] How to prevent a mess
Message-ID: <20031103130514.159175744.serbach@new.rr.com>

David,

Thanks very much for the reply.

I might try indirect synchronization if my client had a server. He has Windows networking set up in his office...just peer-to-peer, no server of any kind.

I've looked through the documentation for Replication on MSDN already. It hasn't been very helpful to me. There just seems to be a dearth of information that is instructional or analytical rather than feature-oriented, like the MSDN site.

Just to fill in some blanks, my client has Windows XP workstations at his office with Windows networking. There are a half dozen people with laptops that roam around the state that do data entry in my new application. This data needs to be merged with the master database at the home office periodically...there's no need for immediate updates. That's why I thought I could send CDs back and forth. The data that's entered includes GIF photographs stored in one of the Access tables...thus, the amount of data being replicated could be substantial.

I don't want to make a mess out of things, that's for sure...but I'm at a loss to come up with a workable plan for my client's situation. I'm going to look at Kaplan's replication tool to see if that might help.

I don't suppose there's a chance that the Access database could be moved to a web server on a web host and have replication performed in some fashion?

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Nov  3 13:11:17 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:11:17 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Powerpoint question
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD788A@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <007101c3a23e$42215a60$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

This is first trial of new policy. I'm cross-posting to AccesD and the
Tech list but please reply ONLY to the the tech list as this is no way
Access-related - I just need guidance.

Are there any Powerpoint experts out there? If so can someone tell me
what, if any, are the main pros and cons of the Office 97, 2000 and XP
versions of Powerpoint? And which is the best, and why? I've read the MS
docs on this but am interested in "real" experience.

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 13:18:31 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:18:31 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227493@main2.marlow.com>

Yes and no.  When you give it a name, let's say a a UNC path, like
\\SomeServer\SomeShare.  The first thing it is going to do, is resolve
'SomeServer' to an IP Address.  It does this in many ways, one of which is
computer browsing.  Computer browsing is a 'sloppy' (I say this with respect
though, because I'm sure it wasn't easy to create), method of 'learning' the
LAN.  If you have a subnet of 255.255.255.0, you machine thinks there is a
POSSIBILITY of 256 IP Addresses on it's subnet, so it will initially try to
'find' everything. (Actually it looks for a Master Browser....it gets
detailed on what it does).  

The point is, you want a subnet big enough to handle the number of computers
you want to group together, yet small enough to prevent massive browsing.  

Ooops, just re-read your question.  You're router doesn't think that, your
computer does.  If your router is acting as the DHCP server, it will
actually 'know' how many computers are out there, since it's handing out the
IP Addresses.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 12:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


So I just did and IPCONFIG through the dos command and find my IP is
192.168.1.101 and the subnet is 255.255.255.0.

So does my router think I might have as many as 256 machines (or addressable
devices, I guess) connected to IP 192.168.1.101?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:08 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


> Think of a subnet as a neighborhood.  A network neighborhood.  The subnet
> 'mask' is a property in TCP/IP, which tells your machine what IP addresses
> are around it.  It's a bitmask thing.
>
> 192.168.0.1, with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 tells the machine that
> 192.168.0.1 through 192.168.0.255 are around it.  If the bit is turned on
in
> the subnet mask, IP Addresses in that subnet must have a matching bit
> (either on or off....), if it's turned off in the subnet, that bit in the
IP
> address can be different.  So 255.255.255.254 for a subnet, is a subnet of
2
> machines.
>
> The reason this is important, is because subnets control how much
> broadcasting and browsing your machine must do, to locate other computers
on
> the network.  A subnet of 255.255.0.0 tells your computer there are 65k
> machines on the subnet, and more then likely you will never find anything,
> because it will eventually give up.  255.255.255.0 tells it there are 256
> (255) computers on the subnet, which it should be able to find just fine.
> However, if you have a smaller network, a smaller subnet speeds up the
> 'searching'.
>
> That leads to what I was talking about earlier...the Gateway (router).
When
> you tell a machine to go to 123.456.789.321, if that IP Address is not on
> the subnet, it doesn't even bother looking, it just sends the request to
the
> gateway IP (router), so the router does the searching.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:53 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> O. What's a subnet?  And where do I get one?  And do I want one?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
> > Yes, a switch is used to connect computers on the same subnet.  A router
> is
> > used to connect subnets together.  A router is usually also a switch, so
> it
> > can connect computers on the same subnet, AND connect one subnet to
> another.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > Is there a difference between a switch and a router?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> >
> >
> > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address of any device
> > > or server connected to your LAN that's not a
> > > workstation and is virtually always on.
> > >
> > > For the price, I would also highly recommend removing
> > > all hubs from your network and using them as
> > > doorstops.  Switches have come way down in price and
> > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > >
> > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all ports.  Thus if
> > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all ports that are
> > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A switch, each
> > > port gets the fill bandwidth.
> > >
> > > That's not including the security issues inherent with
> > > hubs as they broadcast all available data to all
> > > available ports rather than to the proper destination
> > > port.
> > >
> > > --- John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > > > Yes, you can indeed daisy chain routers and
> > > > SUPPOSEDLY hubs, though I had no
> > > > joy doing that with my old hub.  I am however daisy
> > > > chaining my old 4 port
> > > > router off of my new 4 port wireless router.  The
> > > > newer models even figure
> > > > out what kind of cable you are using, crossover or
> > > > regular.  The biggest
> > > > issue there was that the router was the dhcp server
> > > > so I had to turn off the
> > > > old as a dhcp server and turn on the new.  I also
> > > > hardwired the address of
> > > > the old router to 192.168.1.2.  Daisy Chaining two 4
> > > > port routers isn't a
> > > > panacea however since you now end up using two ports
> > > > just for the daisy
> > > > chain and have 6 left.  In my case though I also
> > > > have a wireless so I can
> > > > get my laptop in through that and could also get
> > > > other computers in if
> > > > needed.
> > > >
> > > > I have an old model I TIVO which I modded to use the
> > > > internet to "call in"
> > > > for programming.  I had to snake a cable down the
> > > > wall from the living room
> > > > (luckily exactly over my office in the basement).  I
> > > > understand that the
> > > > model II has USB ports that can automatically use
> > > > the USB wireless cards to
> > > > connect to the internet.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:33 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > > > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John:
> > > >
> > > > I heard that you can daisy chain hubs off one of the
> > > > ports on your router to
> > > > get more ports and that you can go up to 255 devices
> > > > from one router this
> > > > way.  Seems to easy and cheap, though.
> > > >
> > > > I've also found that when creating a new network it
> > > > sometimes takes a few
> > > > minutes for the different shared devices to 'see'
> > > > each other - especially on
> > > > the wireless.  So I'll whang around frustrated
> > > > trying to get the network to
> > > > work and then have the same experience you had -
> > > > after a few minutes,
> > > > suddenly the other machines are in my network
> > > > neighborhood.  Go figure.
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > > To: "Database Advisors Inc. (Tech)"
> > > > <Dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>;
> > > > "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:39 PM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I ordered a Netgear MR814v2 Wireless router a
> > > > couple of weeks ago.  I
> > > > needed
> > > > > to expand my 4 port router (I had 5 things I kept
> > > > needing to plug in) and
> > > > > the Netgear was on sale at www.Newegg.com at the
> > > > time.  I then tried and
> > > > > failed to install a linksys WPC11v2.5 I had laying
> > > > around, so I ordered a
> > > > > dlink dwl-650 that was on sale (rebate) at
> > > > www.newegg.com.  Long story
> > > > > short, it didn't work.  Long story a little
> > > > longer, a very long call to
> > > > > dlink tech support, did not solve the problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > Or maaaaaybe it did.  After failing to figure
> > > > anything out, they
> > > > recommended
> > > > > that I upgrade my laptop bios.  It's an ancient
> > > > (now) 233mhz PII Toshiba
> > > > > Satellite 4000 that I bought with my first
> > > > paycheck from my trip to work
> > > > for
> > > > > Mr. Breen in Dublin Ireland back in hmmm.....
> > > > November 1997?  Getting a
> > > > bit
> > > > > long in the tooth, truth be told.
> > > > >
> > > > > The bios upgrade and also the old "turn off NAV
> > > > before installing etc.
> > > > And
> > > > > "oh by the way, our card requires at least a 300
> > > > mhz processor.  So I
> > > > > uninstalled, upgraded to the latest bios (May
> > > > 2000?), turned off NAV,
> > > > > reinstalled the drivers and re-installed the card.
> > > >  Still no joy.  The
> > > > site
> > > > > survey showed no transmitters, and dlink tech
> > > > support assured me that if
> > > > > there was a transmitter I would see it regardless.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ignorant liars!
> > > > >
> > > > > Went back in and reconfigured the card in the
> > > > laptop for channel 11 (it
> > > > > defaulted to 3 and the router was on 11), played
> > > > around with a couple of
> > > > > other things and boom, I see a transmitter.  Went
> > > > in to the router config
> > > > > page and changed the SSID and sure enough the
> > > > thing I'm seeing on the
> > > > laptop
> > > > > changes to match!  Still no connection though.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rebooted, played around some more and suddenly (no
> > > > clear idea why) I have
> > > > a
> > > > > wireless connection, can browse my network and see
> > > > the web.  Yeaaaaa.
> > > > >
> > > > > Moral of the story, tech support generally sucks,
> > > > play around, don't quit,
> > > > > and eventually the gods will reward you.  Or not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, I need to know what to do to tighten this
> > > > thing up so that others
> > > > can't
> > > > > see my network.  I'm a bit afraid to touch
> > > > anything since I don't really
> > > > > know what I did to finally get it running.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can anyone walk me through tightening this up?
> > > > >
> > > > > John W. Colby
> > > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 13:19:25 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:19:25 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227494@main2.marlow.com>

Ack, need sleep....you're right.  Too many TLA's at the moment.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Dettman [mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 12:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Drew/Erwin,

  One minor correction.  Switches don't use NAT tables.  They use MAC
Address lists and ARP tables.  NAT is something done only in a router.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


Read Erwins post a little while ago, was waiting for your's before I
replied! <grin>

Erwin, switches also use NAT tables.  Because of this, they don't have to
broadcast everything in all directions.  They're 'smart', when a packet
comes in, they can properly direct it.  The downside to the NAT tables is
that if you blow the NAT table away, it has to be rebuilt, so sometimes on
an initial powerup, a switch may seem slower, which is simply the time it is
using to build the NAT tables.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)


And they improve speed.

Because they do not SHARE the bandwidth amongst the
ports.  A 10-BaseT hub SHARES that speed amongst the
available ports.  This dividing the individual
bandwidth per port.

A switch allocates all available bandwidth on a PER
PORT basis.

Maybe you need to learn what you are talking about
before you give out false information.

--- Erwin Craps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> And to be correct, switches don't improve speed
> (compared to hub's) they
> improve bandwith and reduce collisions!!!
> Switches create virtual point to point connections.
>
> Switches do improve speed compared to routers.
>
> Erwin
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens
> Frank Tanner III
> Verzonden: zaterdag 1 november 2003 16:23
> Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> of)
>
>
> Switches will ALWAYS improve your speed over hubs.
> Period.
>
> Hubs SHARE the same bandwidth on all ports.
> Switches
> allocate the max bandwidth per port.
>
> You are incorrect.
>
> --- Erwin Craps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
> > But switches have no sense in a 1 server
> environment
> > because all of the
> > trafic goes and comes from one point.
> > Unless your clients are 100Mb and the uplink to
> the
> > server is 1Gb.
> >
> > People often believe switches will improve their
> > network speed, but that
> > is not always the case.
> > But indeed the prices of the switches have dropped
> > that you buy a switch
> > at the price of a good hub these days.
> >
> > Erwin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> > - Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:55 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> >
> >
> > Got it. I think.  Switch can route packet based on
> > IP address but can't
> > generate an IP address.  Yes?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
> > of)
> >
> >
> > > It is sort of half-way, but not really.
> > >
> > > Switches are a "generation" better.  Hubs and
> > > switches, on their most basic level perform the
> > same function.  They
> > > distribute network traffic.  But HOW they
> > distribute that traffic is
> > > fundimentally different.
> > >
> > > Unless they're one of the newer layer 3 or layer
> 4 switches, they
> > > cannot perform routing functions.
> > They
> > > just hand packets off from point A to point B.
> > Think
> > > of them as sort of a postman.  They have an
> > address
> > > for each device on the network and they hand off
> > each
> > > piece of mail to the appropriate address.  A
> hub,
> > > using this sama analagy would deliver the same
> > piece
> > > of mail to every house and the one that it
> > belonged to
> > > would be the one that actually reads it.
> > >
> > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > "but it's as close as I could think of without
> > > > getting too technical."
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.  Much appreciated.  So a switch is
> > like
> > > > halfway between a hub and
> > > > a router?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:36 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
> > (sort
> > > > of)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > A router and a switch are fundimentall
> > different
> > > > > things.
> > > > >
> > > > > A router does just that.  It routes network
> > > > traffic.
> > > > >
> > > > > A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.
> > > > >
> > > > > Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and
> > layer 4
> > > > > ones can perform both functions.This isn't
> an
> > > > exact
> > > > > definition, but it's as close as I could
> think
> > of
> > > > > without getting too technical.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Is there a difference between a switch and
> a
> > > > router?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rocky
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > > > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and
> > problem
> > > > > > solving"
> > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless
> network
> > > > (sort
> > > > > > of)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address
> of
> > any
> > > > > > device
> > > > > > > or server connected to your LAN that's
> not
> > a workstation and
> > > > > > > is virtually always on.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For the price, I would also highly
> > recommend
> > > > > > removing
> > > > > > > all hubs from your network and using
> them
> > as doorstops.
> > > > > > > Switches have come way down in
> > > > price
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > have many benifits over hubs.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hubs divide the bandwidth across all
> > ports.
> > > > Thus
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > > you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all
> ports
> > > > that
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > processing data split that 10Mbit.  A
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Nov  3 13:28:20 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:28:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
References: <8615823653.20031103132209@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <3FA6AC54.4060600@shaw.ca>

Haven't touched onenote.

I have played around with InfoPath, I think it is MS first pass at XForms
They only released the XForm recomendation from W3C in last couple of 
months.
You can use with SQL Server and Access and use through IE explorer
some notes I made while playing around. Look at decision tree on when to 
use.
Security and cross or multi domain use still have a way to go or are 
incomplete.
You need IIS to test out completely.


Info Path SQL Server link sets all your info path forms to specific 
server should be run intially before use
http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ipsdk/html/ipsdkConfiguringTheSampleForms.asp

----------------------

Decision tree when to use InfoPath
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/odc_ip2003_ta/html/odc_IPInfoPathDecisionTree02.gif
and
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/odc_ip2003_ta/html/odc_ipinfopathdecisiontree.asp

----------------------
Internet domains can be really tricky. For reference,
path you browse to to fill out the form (ie. 
http://myServer/mySite/myForm.xsn)
see Regform tool from SDK about .xsf

verify the safety settings in internet explorer tool->options security
tab-> and enable allow data access across domains
---------------------

Exercise 1 Designing a Form from a Database
In this exercise, you will create a new form based on a database.

1. Open InfoPath and click Design a Form& on the File menu. This brings up
the Design a Form task pane.
2. In the Design a Form task pane, click New from Data Source&.
3. In the Data Source Setup Wizard dialog box, select Database (Microsoft
SQL Server or Microsoft Office Access only) as the type of data source you
want to use for your form and click the Next button.
4. Click the Select Database& button.
5. Browse to the Northwind.mdb database in the "C:\Program Files\Microsoft
Office\Office11\Samples" directory and click the Open button.
6. In the Select Table dialog box, select the Orders table and click the OK
button.
7. In the Data Source Setup Wizard dialog box, click the Add Table& button.
8. In the Add Table or Query dialog box, select the Order Details table and
click the Next button.
9. In the Edit Relationship dialog box, InfoPath has already detected the
relationship between the Orders table and the Order Details table because
there is a field named OrderID in both tables. Click the Finish button.
10. In the Data Source Setup Wizard dialog box, click the Edit SQL& button.

11. In the Edit SQL dialog box, examine the ADO Shape query InfoPath uses
to find data in the Orders and Order Details tables. Click the OK button.
12. In the Data Source Setup Wizard dialog box, click the Next button, and
then the Finish button. InfoPath creates a new form based on the Orders
and Order Details tables.
13. Save the new form as "NorthwindOrderQuery.xsn".

Exercise 2 Designing the Data Entry View
In this exercise, you will design the Data Entry view of the
NorthwindOrderQuery form.

1. In the Controls task pane, click Views to switch to the Views task pane.
2. In the Views task pane, click the Data Entry view.
3. In the Views task pane, click Data Source to switch to the Data Source
task pane.
4. Expand the dataFields tree in the Data Source task pane.
5. Drag the d:Orders group from the Data Source task pane onto the form
area. From the context menu listing the available controls for the
d:Orders group, select Repeating Section with Controls.
6. Lay out the controls in the form area in any way that suits you. Figure
6 contains an example layout you can follow.
7. Save the changes you made to the form.

Test the Form
1. Click the Preview Form button on the Standard toolbar.
2. On the View menu, click Query.
3. In the OrderID control, type "11068" and click the Run Query button.
Examine the data returned from the query.
4. On the View menu, click Query.
5. Clear the OrderID control.
6. In the CustomerID control, type "ALFKI" and click the Run Query button.
Examine the data returned from the query.
7. Try other query parameters. When you have finished, click the Close
Preview button on the Standard toolbar.

Exercise 3 Designing the Query View
In this exercise, you will design the Query view of the NorthwindOrderQuery
form.

1. On the View menu, click Manage Views& to bring up the Views task pane.
2. On the Views task pane, click Query.
3. Click Select All on the Edit menu to select all of the controls and text
in the form area.
4. Click Cut on the Edit menu to delete all of the elements.
5. In the Data Source task pane, expand the queryFields tree, and then
expand the q:Orders tree.
6. Drag the OrderID field from the Data Source task pane onto the form area.
7. In the Data Source task pane, click Controls to switch to the Controls
task pane.
8. From the Controls task pane, drag a Button control onto the form.
9. Right-click on the Button control and click Button Properties&.
10. In the Action drop-down list box of the Button Properties dialog box,
select Run Query and then click OK.
11. Drag another Button control from the Controls task pane onto the form
next to the Run Query button.
12. Right-click on the Button control and click Button Properties&.
13. In the Action drop-down list box of the Button Properties dialog box,
select New Record and then click OK.
14. Lay out the controls on the form in any way you see fit. Figure 7
includes an example layout.
15. Save the changes you made to the form.

------------------------------------------------------
How to point to an Access File rather than SQL changes

Inside the .xsf file you will likely find an <xsf:query> element.
Inside that is an <xsf:adoAdapter> element which includes information
about the data source.

You will likely see something like the following (the
<xsf:adoAdapter>element is on a single horribly long line in the
original code but my newsreader breaks the line):

<xsf:query>
<xsf:adoAdapter
connectionString="Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Password=&quot;&quot;;User
ID=Admin;Data Source=C:\Program Files\Microsoft
Office\OFFICE11\SAMPLES\INFOPATH\INFNWIND.MDB;Mode=Share Deny
None;Extended Properties=&quot;&quot;;Jet OLEDB:System
database=&quot;&quot;;Jet OLEDB:Registry Path=&quot;&quot;;Jet
OLEDB:Database Password=&quot;&quot;;Jet OLEDB:Engine Type=5;Jet
OLEDB:Database Locking Mode=1;Jet OLEDB:Global Partial Bulk Ops=2;Jet
OLEDB:Global Bulk Transactions=1;Jet OLEDB:New Database
Password=&quot;&quot;;Jet OLEDB:Create System Database=False;Jet
OLEDB:Encrypt Database=False;Jet OLEDB:Don't Copy Locale on
Compact=False;Jet OLEDB:Compact Without Replica Repair=False;Jet
OLEDB:SFP=False" commandText="select
[CustomerID],[CompanyName],[ContactName],[ContactTitle] from
[Customers] as [Customers]" queryAllowed="yes"
submitAllowed="yes"></xsf:adoAdapter>
</xsf:query>

Edit the information about the Data Source in the connection string.

Be careful not to end up with a split line for the <xsf:adoAdapter>
element in your code after editing, since that may cause errors.

Republish the form.


Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi all
>
>Anyone familiar with these new products and if they somehow relate to
>Access?
>
>I've tried to browse some brochures but they are so hyped that it is
>just plain impossible to figure out wether these apps are fancy toys
>which will bring any machine to a crawl or if they could be useful
>tools in cooperation with Access and database applications.
>
>And how are the programmed if you wish to create custom build apps?
>I've located this link to a SDK related to InfoPath:
>
>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616-93aa-4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en
>
>but it looks like you need to take a deep breath and have a weekend
>set aside.
>
>Also, how much are they relying on specific MS server software like
>SharePoint or Exchange or pure MS environments or Office 2003 only? If
>so, the usefulness is very limited as our clients use a variety of
>systems. 
>
>/gustav
>
>_______________________________________________
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>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov  3 13:34:16 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:34:16 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] Powerpoint question
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227495@main2.marlow.com>

Actually, this ties DIRECTLY into Access.  My full time employer is still
running Office 97 across the board.  There are a few dual 97/2k setups, and
several Outlook upgrades.  Recently we've been getting 'user requests' to
upgrade to a more current version of Office.  And here's what I've put
together as pro's vs. con's.  It's pretty simple.

The biggest difference between the versions of Office can be split into two
categories (which is why this is Access related).

Access

and 

Everything else

I develop everything I can with Access 97, because it's rock solid, though
A2k allows VBA 6, which includes custom events. The upgrade in VBA is quite
frankly the only plus I see between A97 and A2k (haven't really used AXP
much to give an opinion on that).

Everything else keeps improving version to version.  I have and have used
Front Page 98, 2000, and 2002.  Each one was a VAST improvement on the next.
Word and Excel have improved, but not much for what I use them for.  The big
changes there is more options and better interoperability.  (I believe Word
2002 allows multiple users to work on the same document simultaneously).
Same with Power Point.  More options.  You can make presentation prettier
with more effects and themes.  The one big improvement in 'everything else',
that I have latched onto, is that each version is better at creating web
documents.  Take PP 97.  Make a presentation, and then save it as a web
page.  First, the wizard is a 100 step nightmare, and what you get at the
end is a monstrousity.  Use PP 2000, and it works it's magic effortlessly,
and you end up with a pretty good HTML representation of your presentation.
Same with Excel and Word.  And you can work with the HTML versions just like
you would with their native file format partners.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 1:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Powerpoint question


This is first trial of new policy. I'm cross-posting to AccesD and the
Tech list but please reply ONLY to the the tech list as this is no way
Access-related - I just need guidance.

Are there any Powerpoint experts out there? If so can someone tell me
what, if any, are the main pros and cons of the Office 97, 2000 and XP
versions of Powerpoint? And which is the best, and why? I've read the MS
docs on this but am interested in "real" experience.

Thanks in advance for any help. And if you're not yet on the tech list
you can subscribe via
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Nov  3 14:02:38 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 09:02:38 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] How to prevent a mess
In-Reply-To: <20031103130514.159175744.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031104084253.00b1d0e8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Comments inline-

At 3/11/2003, you wrote:
>I might try indirect synchronization if my client had a server. He has 
>Windows networking set up in his office...just peer-to-peer, no server of 
>any kind.

I don't think you need a 'server' as such - just a computer with NT 4.0 or 
higher (Windows XP pro may even work).  All the laptops need to do is to 
set up a dialup link so that they can access a folder on the main 
computer.  Then replication does the rest.  Check out the replication 
documentation for indirect synchronization.

>I don't suppose there's a chance that the Access database could be moved 
>to a web server on a web host and have replication performed in some fashion?

Avoid internet synchronization - unless post 97 versions have improved 
(which I don't think they have), you are left with no security to prevent 
hackers attacking your server (internet synchronization doesn't work with 
firewalls etc).


Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 


From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Mon Nov  3 14:56:05 2003
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 14:56:05 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] EDI data file
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A0330603F@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

Has anyone ever worked with an X12/EDI data file?  Can it be imported into
an Access 97 table?  We're getting a file back that we're supposed to use to
lookup the status of billings but it needs to be parsed.  The (very) limited
help on the web site where we download the file from says we need to use a
conversion program to get the X12 file to a readable format.

Any help would be much appreciated.

TIA

Rusty


From serbach at new.rr.com  Mon Nov  3 15:10:57 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:10:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] How to prevent a mess
Message-ID: <20031103151057.1047975120.serbach@new.rr.com>

David,

Thanks for staying in step with me on this.

>> just a computer with NT 4.0 or > higher (Windows XP pro may even work) <<

Hah! When I helped my client network his desktops and wireless laptops a couple of weeks ago, I recommended that all the PCs be upgraded to XP Professional. No such luck...they're all (except for one ME) XP Home. However, I think I can persuade him to kick in for an upgrade on his main system to get this remote replication thing operational. I will indeed check out the indirect synchronization thing.

>> internet synchronization doesn't work with firewalls etc <<

Interesting. So putting an Access BE up on a web host would pretty much put it out of reach since the web host is bound to have a router, right?

Thanks,

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Nov  3 15:05:10 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:05:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
References: <8615823653.20031103132209@cactus.dk> <3FA6AC54.4060600@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <3FA6C306.9030506@shaw.ca>

Here are some other uses of  InfoPath from Jean Paoli, the architect of 
Microsoft Office's XML

http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/02/20/08stratdev_1.html

MartyConnelly wrote:

> Haven't touched onenote.
>
> I have played around with InfoPath, I think it is MS first pass at XForms
> They only released the XForm recomendation from W3C in last couple of 
> months.
> You can use with SQL Server and Access and use through IE explorer
> some notes I made while playing around. Look at decision tree on when 
> to use.
> Security and cross or multi domain use still have a way to go or are 
> incomplete.
> You need IIS to test out completely.
>
>
> Info Path SQL Server link sets all your info path forms to specific 
> server should be run intially before use
> http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ipsdk/html/ipsdkConfiguringTheSampleForms.asp 
>
>
> ----------------------
>
> Decision tree when to use InfoPath
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/odc_ip2003_ta/html/odc_IPInfoPathDecisionTree02.gif 
>
> and
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/odc_ip2003_ta/html/odc_ipinfopathdecisiontree.asp 
>
>
> ----------------------
> Internet domains can be really tricky. For reference,
> path you browse to to fill out the form (ie. 
> http://myServer/mySite/myForm.xsn)
> see Regform tool from SDK about .xsf
>
> verify the safety settings in internet explorer tool->options security
> tab-> and enable allow data access across domains
> ---------------------
>
> Exercise 1 Designing a Form from a Database
> In this exercise, you will create a new form based on a database.
>
> 1. Open InfoPath and click Design a Form& on the File menu. This 
> brings up
> the Design a Form task pane.
> 2. In the Design a Form task pane, click New from Data Source&.
> 3. In the Data Source Setup Wizard dialog box, select Database (Microsoft
> SQL Server or Microsoft Office Access only) as the type of data source 
> you
> want to use for your form and click the Next button.
> 4. Click the Select Database& button.
> 5. Browse to the Northwind.mdb database in the "C:\Program 
> Files\Microsoft
> Office\Office11\Samples" directory and click the Open button.
> 6. In the Select Table dialog box, select the Orders table and click 
> the OK
> button.
> 7. In the Data Source Setup Wizard dialog box, click the Add Table& 
> button.
> 8. In the Add Table or Query dialog box, select the Order Details 
> table and
> click the Next button.
> 9. In the Edit Relationship dialog box, InfoPath has already detected the
> relationship between the Orders table and the Order Details table because
> there is a field named OrderID in both tables. Click the Finish button.
> 10. In the Data Source Setup Wizard dialog box, click the Edit SQL& 
> button.
>
> 11. In the Edit SQL dialog box, examine the ADO Shape query InfoPath uses
> to find data in the Orders and Order Details tables. Click the OK button.
> 12. In the Data Source Setup Wizard dialog box, click the Next button, 
> and
> then the Finish button. InfoPath creates a new form based on the Orders
> and Order Details tables.
> 13. Save the new form as "NorthwindOrderQuery.xsn".
>
> Exercise 2 Designing the Data Entry View
> In this exercise, you will design the Data Entry view of the
> NorthwindOrderQuery form.
>
> 1. In the Controls task pane, click Views to switch to the Views task 
> pane.
> 2. In the Views task pane, click the Data Entry view.
> 3. In the Views task pane, click Data Source to switch to the Data Source
> task pane.
> 4. Expand the dataFields tree in the Data Source task pane.
> 5. Drag the d:Orders group from the Data Source task pane onto the form
> area. From the context menu listing the available controls for the
> d:Orders group, select Repeating Section with Controls.
> 6. Lay out the controls in the form area in any way that suits you. 
> Figure
> 6 contains an example layout you can follow.
> 7. Save the changes you made to the form.
>
> Test the Form
> 1. Click the Preview Form button on the Standard toolbar.
> 2. On the View menu, click Query.
> 3. In the OrderID control, type "11068" and click the Run Query button.
> Examine the data returned from the query.
> 4. On the View menu, click Query.
> 5. Clear the OrderID control.
> 6. In the CustomerID control, type "ALFKI" and click the Run Query 
> button.
> Examine the data returned from the query.
> 7. Try other query parameters. When you have finished, click the Close
> Preview button on the Standard toolbar.
>
> Exercise 3 Designing the Query View
> In this exercise, you will design the Query view of the 
> NorthwindOrderQuery
> form.
>
> 1. On the View menu, click Manage Views& to bring up the Views task pane.
> 2. On the Views task pane, click Query.
> 3. Click Select All on the Edit menu to select all of the controls and 
> text
> in the form area.
> 4. Click Cut on the Edit menu to delete all of the elements.
> 5. In the Data Source task pane, expand the queryFields tree, and then
> expand the q:Orders tree.
> 6. Drag the OrderID field from the Data Source task pane onto the form 
> area.
> 7. In the Data Source task pane, click Controls to switch to the Controls
> task pane.
> 8. From the Controls task pane, drag a Button control onto the form.
> 9. Right-click on the Button control and click Button Properties&.
> 10. In the Action drop-down list box of the Button Properties dialog box,
> select Run Query and then click OK.
> 11. Drag another Button control from the Controls task pane onto the form
> next to the Run Query button.
> 12. Right-click on the Button control and click Button Properties&.
> 13. In the Action drop-down list box of the Button Properties dialog box,
> select New Record and then click OK.
> 14. Lay out the controls on the form in any way you see fit. Figure 7
> includes an example layout.
> 15. Save the changes you made to the form.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> How to point to an Access File rather than SQL changes
>
> Inside the .xsf file you will likely find an <xsf:query> element.
> Inside that is an <xsf:adoAdapter> element which includes information
> about the data source.
>
> You will likely see something like the following (the
> <xsf:adoAdapter>element is on a single horribly long line in the
> original code but my newsreader breaks the line):
>
> <xsf:query>
> <xsf:adoAdapter
> connectionString="Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Password=&quot;&quot;;User 
>
> ID=Admin;Data Source=C:\Program Files\Microsoft
> Office\OFFICE11\SAMPLES\INFOPATH\INFNWIND.MDB;Mode=Share Deny
> None;Extended Properties=&quot;&quot;;Jet OLEDB:System
> database=&quot;&quot;;Jet OLEDB:Registry Path=&quot;&quot;;Jet
> OLEDB:Database Password=&quot;&quot;;Jet OLEDB:Engine Type=5;Jet
> OLEDB:Database Locking Mode=1;Jet OLEDB:Global Partial Bulk Ops=2;Jet
> OLEDB:Global Bulk Transactions=1;Jet OLEDB:New Database
> Password=&quot;&quot;;Jet OLEDB:Create System Database=False;Jet
> OLEDB:Encrypt Database=False;Jet OLEDB:Don't Copy Locale on
> Compact=False;Jet OLEDB:Compact Without Replica Repair=False;Jet
> OLEDB:SFP=False" commandText="select
> [CustomerID],[CompanyName],[ContactName],[ContactTitle] from
> [Customers] as [Customers]" queryAllowed="yes"
> submitAllowed="yes"></xsf:adoAdapter>
> </xsf:query>
>
> Edit the information about the Data Source in the connection string.
>
> Be careful not to end up with a split line for the <xsf:adoAdapter>
> element in your code after editing, since that may cause errors.
>
> Republish the form.
>
>
> Gustav Brock wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Anyone familiar with these new products and if they somehow relate to
>> Access?
>>
>> I've tried to browse some brochures but they are so hyped that it is
>> just plain impossible to figure out wether these apps are fancy toys
>> which will bring any machine to a crawl or if they could be useful
>> tools in cooperation with Access and database applications.
>>
>> And how are the programmed if you wish to create custom build apps?
>> I've located this link to a SDK related to InfoPath:
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616-93aa-4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en 
>>
>>
>> but it looks like you need to take a deep breath and have a weekend
>> set aside.
>>
>> Also, how much are they relying on specific MS server software like
>> SharePoint or Exchange or pure MS environments or Office 2003 only? If
>> so, the usefulness is very limited as our clients use a variety of
>> systems.
>> /gustav
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>  
>>
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From selina at easydatabases.com.au  Mon Nov  3 15:12:56 2003
From: selina at easydatabases.com.au (Selina Iddon)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:12:56 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Hourly Backups Of Access Data
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222748E@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c3a24f$4119ecc0$6465000a@venus>

Howdy
I suppose it depends upon the database, but the 'techie' guy I work with has
put in place some little .bat files that copy the database on the hour to a
particular directory and depending upon the .bat file and time, places it in
a 1100, 1200, 1300 etc directory.  That way if we can go back to any time in
the last 24hrs without going to the nightly backup tapes.  It works very
well, he had to put some commands in the startup of the server to do it,
(I'm not up on that side of things in case it's not painfully obvious) but
it certainly doesn't kick anyone out whilst performing the copies.  I
suppose you could add a line to the .bat file to compact them.
Cheers
Selina

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Databases
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:42 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Hourly Backups Of Access Data


> Ya, just import them into a new db.  You should be able to import them
> without having to kick anyone out!
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:00 AM
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] Hourly Backups Of Access Data
>
>
> To all,
> Is there anyway I can create a backup of all the tables in a database,
> without bringing all the users out of the database.
> Paul
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Mon Nov  3 15:34:21 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:34:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] EDI data file
Message-ID: <20031103153421.1143797734.serbach@new.rr.com>

Rusty,

>> The (very) limited help on the web site where we download the file from says we need to use a conversion program to get the X12 file to a readable format. Any help would be much appreciated. <<

Welcome to EDI. In the past three weeks I've visited a few dozen EDI sites trying to get some good examples so that I can do that very thing you're talking about. I'd had some limited EDI experience in the past. My client wants a more customized solution without having to buy a full-bore EDI package that includes every document type under the sun.

The amount of help is, indeed, very limited. There are no books on EDI at the library. Barnes & Noble doesn't stock any. On top of that, just last week I discovered that a sizeable component of good EDI programs is the error-trapping; that is, an X12 file can have errors in it. If your software doesn't allow for that, then you have junk.

EDI specs are difficult to translate into a neat and orderly relational model. So you'd have quite a task making up tables to represent the EDI "model."

I found a company that provides a moderately-priced tool to read and translate EDI transactions using a Windows object model. Thus you can roll your own EDI software and use the classes provided for EDI transactions just as you use any other class. They provide samples in VB, Delphi, C++.NET, and FoxPro. I used their 60-day eval program to detect an error in transmission of a test X12 Purchase Order for a project I'm doing for a client of mine.

The product is called Framework EDI. The Professional version is $950. There's an "Enterprise" and "Universal" version, too. I've persuaded my client to bite the bullet and buy it since he'd have to pay me a lot more to code something that wouldn't work nearly so well. Here's the web site:

http://www.edidev.com/

Of course, there are tons of EDI software sites on the web. This one was different in that it offered a developer's toolbox sort of thing rather than a complete package from A-Z.

Good luck!

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Nov  3 15:49:41 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:49:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] EDI data file
References: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A0330603F@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>
Message-ID: <3FA6CD75.1000308@shaw.ca>

You can translate or map EDI to csv, flatfiles or xml
 I suggested to one company to convert or map  to xml then bring into 
Access or SQL via ADO or XMLDOM.
 They used  goXML product from Altova with XMLSPY to do the conversion. 
It is expensive but necessary if you have a lot of different EDI 
formats. There are different templates for EDI X12
like 850 and 810. or
HIPAA templates ::
EDI X12 - 270 Eligibility, Coverage or Benefit Inquiry
EDI X12 - 271 Eligibility, Coverage or Benefit Inquiry
EDI X12 - 276 Health Care Claim Status Request
EDI X12 - 277 Health Care Claim Status Notification
EDI X12 - 820 Payment Order Remittance Advice
EDI X12 - 834 Benefit Enrollment and Maintenance
EDI X12 - 835 Health Care Claim Payment Advice
EDI X12 - 837 Health Care Claim

A cheaper conversion program would be ETAsoft for around $2000
http://www.xtranslator.com/index.htm

There is a recent book on subject with examples  but uses Java C++
Using XML with Legacy Business Applications
by Michael C. Rawlins
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0321154940/qid%3D1063200555/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/002-5838316-1411229

You might find cheaper translation software at www.xml.org or 
www.oasis.org or maybe MS eBiz server site

rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com wrote:

>Has anyone ever worked with an X12/EDI data file?  Can it be imported into
>an Access 97 table?  We're getting a file back that we're supposed to use to
>lookup the status of billings but it needs to be parsed.  The (very) limited
>help on the web site where we download the file from says we need to use a
>conversion program to get the X12 file to a readable format.
>
>Any help would be much appreciated.
>
>TIA
>
>Rusty
>
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>  
>

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Canada




From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Mon Nov  3 16:06:15 2003
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:06:15 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] EDI data file
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A03306040@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

Thanks Steve.  Not exactly what I wanted to hear but it is what I thought I
might hear.  Oh well, if this work was always easy I wouldn't have a job,
right?


----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 3:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] EDI data file


Rusty,

>> The (very) limited help on the web site where we download the file from
says we need to use a conversion program to get the X12 file to a readable
format. Any help would be much appreciated. <<

Welcome to EDI. In the past three weeks I've visited a few dozen EDI sites
trying to get some good examples so that I can do that very thing you're
talking about. I'd had some limited EDI experience in the past. My client
wants a more customized solution without having to buy a full-bore EDI
package that includes every document type under the sun.

The amount of help is, indeed, very limited. There are no books on EDI at
the library. Barnes & Noble doesn't stock any. On top of that, just last
week I discovered that a sizeable component of good EDI programs is the
error-trapping; that is, an X12 file can have errors in it. If your software
doesn't allow for that, then you have junk.

EDI specs are difficult to translate into a neat and orderly relational
model. So you'd have quite a task making up tables to represent the EDI
"model."

I found a company that provides a moderately-priced tool to read and
translate EDI transactions using a Windows object model. Thus you can roll
your own EDI software and use the classes provided for EDI transactions just
as you use any other class. They provide samples in VB, Delphi, C++.NET, and
FoxPro. I used their 60-day eval program to detect an error in transmission
of a test X12 Purchase Order for a project I'm doing for a client of mine.

The product is called Framework EDI. The Professional version is $950.
There's an "Enterprise" and "Universal" version, too. I've persuaded my
client to bite the bullet and buy it since he'd have to pay me a lot more to
code something that wouldn't work nearly so well. Here's the web site:

http://www.edidev.com/

Of course, there are tons of EDI software sites on the web. This one was
different in that it offered a developer's toolbox sort of thing rather than
a complete package from A-Z.

Good luck!

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Nov  3 16:18:47 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:18:47 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222748D@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <3FA760E7.17853.200C88@localhost>

On 3 Nov 2003 at 11:40, Drew Wutka wrote:

> To tie this into an Access related (actually AccessD related) post, in my
> old place (one before the fire), I had my servers near the foot of my
> bed...and those things were NOISY.  Of course, one of the fans was going
> out, so that didn't help! <grin> But now that they're in the closet, I can
> soundly sleep at night, and still host the archives! <grin> (Come on, give
> me points for trying to tie that in!)
> 

Until the archives get lost because the servers overheat and melt 
down without adequate airflow? :-)





 
-- 
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http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Mon Nov  3 16:20:38 2003
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:20:38 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] EDI data file
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A03306041@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

Thanks Marty that helps.  It is a Remittance Advice file so now I at least
know the template id (which I think was on the web site Steve mentioned as
well).  Sounds like I have a lot of learning to do.

-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 3:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] EDI data file


You can translate or map EDI to csv, flatfiles or xml
 I suggested to one company to convert or map  to xml then bring into 
Access or SQL via ADO or XMLDOM.
 They used  goXML product from Altova with XMLSPY to do the conversion. 
It is expensive but necessary if you have a lot of different EDI 
formats. There are different templates for EDI X12
like 850 and 810. or
HIPAA templates ::
EDI X12 - 270 Eligibility, Coverage or Benefit Inquiry
EDI X12 - 271 Eligibility, Coverage or Benefit Inquiry
EDI X12 - 276 Health Care Claim Status Request
EDI X12 - 277 Health Care Claim Status Notification
EDI X12 - 820 Payment Order Remittance Advice
EDI X12 - 834 Benefit Enrollment and Maintenance
EDI X12 - 835 Health Care Claim Payment Advice
EDI X12 - 837 Health Care Claim

A cheaper conversion program would be ETAsoft for around $2000
http://www.xtranslator.com/index.htm

There is a recent book on subject with examples  but uses Java C++
Using XML with Legacy Business Applications
by Michael C. Rawlins
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0321154940/qid%3D1063200555/sr%3D11-1
/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/002-5838316-1411229

You might find cheaper translation software at www.xml.org or 
www.oasis.org or maybe MS eBiz server site

rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com wrote:

>Has anyone ever worked with an X12/EDI data file?  Can it be imported into
>an Access 97 table?  We're getting a file back that we're supposed to use
to
>lookup the status of billings but it needs to be parsed.  The (very)
limited
>help on the web site where we download the file from says we need to use a
>conversion program to get the X12 file to a readable format.
>
>Any help would be much appreciated.
>
>TIA
>
>Rusty
>
>_______________________________________________
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From serbach at new.rr.com  Mon Nov  3 16:32:38 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:32:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] EDI data file
Message-ID: <20031103163238.1043140229.serbach@new.rr.com>

Rusty,

>> ?Not exactly what I wanted to hear but it is what I thought I
might hear. ?Oh well, if this work was always easy I wouldn't have a job,
right? <<

Too right. I had hoped that it would a bit simpler, too. But EDI has a way of expanding to fill the amount of money you have available.

The XML route that Marty mentioned is another way to go...one that might become more prevalent Real Soon Now. To me, the EDIdEv product looks promising as far as cost goes.

Steve Erbach


From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Nov  3 17:39:06 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:39:06 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] How to prevent a mess
In-Reply-To: <20031103151057.1047975120.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031104123250.00b85008@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

At 3/11/2003, you wrote:
>David,
> >> internet synchronization doesn't work with firewalls etc <<
>
>Interesting. So putting an Access BE up on a web host would pretty much 
>put it out of reach since the web host is bound to have a router, right?

No - there is a different between using Access as a BE for a web FE 
(ASP/HTML etc), and using internet synchronization.  Internet 
synchronization just uses the internet connection to access the BE 
direct.  This means that the computer hosting the BE needs to be accessible 
via the internet.  But because firewalls upset the synchronizer, you can't 
protect your server.  One company I worked with ended up with a $5000 bill 
when hackers got into their server and used it to transfer their files - 
this was only within a month!  Ouch.

If you are interested there a white paper specifically on internet 
synchronization but because of its limitations it is only of academic interest.

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 


From caa at highway.com.br  Mon Nov  3 18:21:57 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:21:57 -0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - BE corruption???
Message-ID: <oprx27avloeuy8y3@localhost>

Dear Mates:
I would like to have your opinion on this matter. I developed an A2k 
database system with three identical FE's and one BE. It has data from 
jan2001 to now. Upon executing a simple select query I noticed that I 
could not retrieve any records from 2002. The same query executed on a BE 
backup copy from jul2003 returned all due records.
Is this a BE corruption??? I tried ?Compact and repair...?, JetComp and 
import all tables to a new BE with no better results.
Things that called my attention:
1- I use Jet 4.0 SP6 and my client uses something older than SP3;
2- I use Access 2000/Office 2000 and my client uses Access 2000/Office 97.
Thanks for any input,
-- 
**************************************
* Carlos Alberto Alves               *
* Child Neurologist                  *
* Systems Analyst/Programmer         *
* Rio de Janeiro, Brazil             *
* mailto:caa at highway.com.br          *
**************************************

From Bryan.Brown at acsalaska.com  Mon Nov  3 18:41:36 2003
From: Bryan.Brown at acsalaska.com (Brown, Bryan)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:41:36 -0900 
Subject: [AccessD] Summarizing like data - suggestions?
Message-ID: <B136B69EEE85D511A7B800508B5A9B19066BD9B5@acsexch.corp.acsalaska.com>

Hi everyone,

I listen a lot and offer help when I'm able (which, as a relative newcomer
when compared to many of you, is not often) and now I could use some help. I
have two tables of like data (or it could be one table with multiple rows of
similar records) and I need to combine the records when appropriate into one
table...

It seems simple enough, but it eludes me. I have about 3000 records to
compare and summarize. If all data elements, except hours, are the same
then, I add the hours, else I have to have separate entries. Any suggestions
would be appreciated - Thanks!

Example of Multiple rows in one table:

Sample Data Before Summary
Emplid;Name;Rate ;Title     ;Hours1;Hours2
100001;Fred; 9.50;Dishwasher;40    ;22
100001;Fred;15.00;Head Cook ;35    ;18
100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;40    ;22
100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;60    ;10


Desired Result Data after Summary
Emplid;Name;Rate ;Title     ;Hours1;Hours2
100001;Fred; 9.50;Dishwasher;40    ;22
100001;Fred;15.00;Head Cook ;35    ;18
100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;100   ;32







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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov  3 18:58:19 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 16:58:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <20031103160200.C8CF224D446@smithers.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEGICPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Andy:

Thanks for the code. Along with the code sample from Dev Ashish's site this
should cover all bases.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:02 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format


I use some API code that came from someone on the list (sorry can't credit
cos can't remember). Very simple. Stick this in a module:

Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "shell32" Alias "ShellExecuteA" (ByVal
hwnd As Long, _
ByVal lpOperation As String, ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters As
String, _
ByVal lpDirectory As String, ByVal nShowCmd As Long) As Long

Function RunApp(strFile As String, bytSize) As Boolean
Dim lngRet As Long
Dim varTaskID As Variant
Dim strRet As String

lngRet = ShellExecute(hWndAccessApp, vbNullString, strFile, vbNullString,
vbNullString, bytSize)
If lngRet > Success Then
strRet = vbNullString
lngRet = -1
RunApp = True
Else
RunApp = False
Select Case lngRet
Case NotRegistered
varTaskID = Shell("rundll32.exe shell32.dll,OpenAs_RunDLL " & strFile,
bytSize)
lngRet = (varTaskID <> 0)
Case InadequateMemory
MsgBox "Error:  Out of Memory/Resources!"
Case FileNotFound
MsgBox "Error:  File not found!"
Case PathNotFound
MsgBox "Error:  Path not found!"
Case BadFormat
MsgBox "Error:  Bad File Format!"
Case 5
MsgBox "Error:  Unauthorized due to Security restrictions!"
End Select
End If
End Function

Then all you do is:

Call RunApp(strfilename,1)

HTH

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
Date: 03/11/03 21:15


Jim,
If you're just wanting to give the ability to open a file from a list, what
I've done in the past is use a continuous form listing the filename and
beside the filename field, add a command button. Set the Hyperlink Address
of the command button to the path and filename via code in the On Current
property of the form. Then the user just clicks on the button and the file
is opened by whatever program the extension is registered as.

HTH

Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 1:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format


Hi All:

This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I can not remember or
find the related code. (Advanced years and all)

Can you set up Access to, under program control to run/display any file that
the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf file, spreadsheet
or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each type. I have
written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there must be any easier
way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web page can do this
but can an Access program?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

MTIA
Jim


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov  3 18:58:16 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 16:58:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A0330603B@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEGHCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Rusty:

Thanks for your suggestions...I am looking into it now.

Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:13 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format


Jim,
If you're just wanting to give the ability to open a file from a list, what
I've done in the past is use a continuous form listing the filename and
beside the filename field, add a command button.  Set the Hyperlink Address
of the command button to the path and filename via code in the On Current
property of the form.  Then the user just clicks on the button and the file
is opened by whatever program the extension is registered as.

HTH

Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 1:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format


Hi All:

This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I can not remember or
find the related code. (Advanced years and all)

Can you set up Access to, under program control to run/display any file that
the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf file, spreadsheet
or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each type. I have
written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there must be any easier
way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web page can do this
but can an Access program?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

MTIA
Jim


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov  3 18:58:13 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 16:58:13 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <00ec01c3a1f4$e7ffd0a0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMEGHCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Thank you Stuart:

It worked perfectly. :-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 2:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format


What you want is this:

http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0018.htm

Regards

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Jim Lawrence (AccessD)
> Sent: Monday, 03 November, 2003 3:47 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
>
>
> Hi All:
>
> This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I can
> not remember or
> find the related code. (Advanced years and all)
>
> Can you set up Access to, under program control to
> run/display any file that
> the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf
> file, spreadsheet
> or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each
> type. I have
> written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there
> must be any easier
> way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web
> page can do this
> but can an Access program?
>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
>
> MTIA
> Jim
>
>
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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Mon Nov  3 19:00:49 2003
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:00:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Hourly Backups Of Access Data
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJCEHCFEAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <03d601c3a26f$17153040$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>

Paul,

The critical issue I see with Jet is that you can't guarantee that your
backup data will be in a consistent state while users are in the database.
Jet simply can't be trusted to keep everything straight with the read/write
locks or cascade updates/deletes that could be in progress when you initiate
your backup.

This applies as much to backing up the mdb files as it would to any of the
other proposed solutions, in my opinion.

If live backups are an overriding concern, consider moving your backend to
MSDE/SQL Server. With its transaction logging and dynamic backup
capabilities, you can implement a much more reliable and transparent backup
policy.

Otherwise, kick 'em out!

See:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q300216
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnacc2k/htm
l/acmsdeop.asp

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 12:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Hourly Backups Of Access Data


Paul,
I just looked at my backup routine but it won't work for you, uses
CompactDatabase. Guess I should create a new one.

(Thinking out loud here) how about:
Create a routine to export all of the tables and data to a new DB. That
shouldn't affect any of the users.

Create a seperate routine that clears the tables and imports/appends it all
back in just in case you need to restore the data. If that case arises it
would probably mean the users can't get in anyway - otherwise you would have
to kick them all out.

This would alleviate worrying about relationships, etc.

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> paul.hartland at fsmail.net
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:00 AM
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] Hourly Backups Of Access Data
>
>
> To all,
> Is there anyway I can create a backup of all the tables in a
> database, without bringing all the users out of the database.
> Paul
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov  3 19:06:08 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:06:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Summarizing like data - suggestions?
References: <B136B69EEE85D511A7B800508B5A9B19066BD9B5@acsexch.corp.acsalaska.com>
Message-ID: <01c501c3a26f$d7dbc640$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Bryan

...is this a 1-time fix or are you going to have to repeat this again and
again? ...the solutions differ.
...the simplest 1-time fix ime would be to create a table with a unique
index set for empID and then query the source table to append all records to
it ...dupe empIDs wont be appended ...then you should be able to run update
queries on the new table Hours1 and Hours2 fields using calc fields on the
source table Hours1 and Hours2 field to total each records hours that match
the empID ...I have not done this but it should be doable in the query
itself, if not you'll need to write and call a function that does it.

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brown, Bryan" <Bryan.Brown at acsalaska.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:41 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Summarizing like data - suggestions?


> Hi everyone,
>
> I listen a lot and offer help when I'm able (which, as a relative newcomer
> when compared to many of you, is not often) and now I could use some help.
I
> have two tables of like data (or it could be one table with multiple rows
of
> similar records) and I need to combine the records when appropriate into
one
> table...
>
> It seems simple enough, but it eludes me. I have about 3000 records to
> compare and summarize. If all data elements, except hours, are the same
> then, I add the hours, else I have to have separate entries. Any
suggestions
> would be appreciated - Thanks!
>
> Example of Multiple rows in one table:
>
> Sample Data Before Summary
> Emplid;Name;Rate ;Title     ;Hours1;Hours2
> 100001;Fred; 9.50;Dishwasher;40    ;22
> 100001;Fred;15.00;Head Cook ;35    ;18
> 100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;40    ;22
> 100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;60    ;10
>
>
> Desired Result Data after Summary
> Emplid;Name;Rate ;Title     ;Hours1;Hours2
> 100001;Fred; 9.50;Dishwasher;40    ;22
> 100001;Fred;15.00;Head Cook ;35    ;18
> 100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;100   ;32
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This transmittal may contain confidential information intended solely for
> the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
> notified that you have received this transmittal in error; any review,
> dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal is strictly
> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please
notify
> us immediately by reply or by telephone (collect at 907-564-1000) and ask
to
> speak with the message sender. In addition, please immediately delete this
> message and all attachments. Thank you. ACS3/11/2003
>
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From Bryan.Brown at acsalaska.com  Mon Nov  3 19:12:19 2003
From: Bryan.Brown at acsalaska.com (Brown, Bryan)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 16:12:19 -0900 
Subject: [AccessD] Summarizing like data - suggestions?
Message-ID: <B136B69EEE85D511A7B800508B5A9B19066BD9B6@acsexch.corp.acsalaska.com>

William - thanks for the info. 

This will be done monthly. I think your idea will work fine for this month
(also read as "tomorrow!"), but I'll need to end up with a process that the
end-user just "clicks" start to finish :-)

Bryan

-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 4:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Summarizing like data - suggestions?


Bryan

...is this a 1-time fix or are you going to have to repeat this again and
again? ...the solutions differ.
...the simplest 1-time fix ime would be to create a table with a unique
index set for empID and then query the source table to append all records to
it ...dupe empIDs wont be appended ...then you should be able to run update
queries on the new table Hours1 and Hours2 fields using calc fields on the
source table Hours1 and Hours2 field to total each records hours that match
the empID ...I have not done this but it should be doable in the query
itself, if not you'll need to write and call a function that does it.

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brown, Bryan" <Bryan.Brown at acsalaska.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:41 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Summarizing like data - suggestions?


> Hi everyone,
>
> I listen a lot and offer help when I'm able (which, as a relative newcomer
> when compared to many of you, is not often) and now I could use some help.
I
> have two tables of like data (or it could be one table with multiple rows
of
> similar records) and I need to combine the records when appropriate into
one
> table...
>
> It seems simple enough, but it eludes me. I have about 3000 records to
> compare and summarize. If all data elements, except hours, are the same
> then, I add the hours, else I have to have separate entries. Any
suggestions
> would be appreciated - Thanks!
>
> Example of Multiple rows in one table:
>
> Sample Data Before Summary
> Emplid;Name;Rate ;Title     ;Hours1;Hours2
> 100001;Fred; 9.50;Dishwasher;40    ;22
> 100001;Fred;15.00;Head Cook ;35    ;18
> 100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;40    ;22
> 100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;60    ;10
>
>
> Desired Result Data after Summary
> Emplid;Name;Rate ;Title     ;Hours1;Hours2
> 100001;Fred; 9.50;Dishwasher;40    ;22
> 100001;Fred;15.00;Head Cook ;35    ;18
> 100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;100   ;32
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This transmittal may contain confidential information intended solely for
> the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
> notified that you have received this transmittal in error; any review,
> dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal is strictly
> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please
notify
> us immediately by reply or by telephone (collect at 907-564-1000) and ask
to
> speak with the message sender. In addition, please immediately delete this
> message and all attachments. Thank you. ACS3/11/2003
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov  3 19:32:43 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:32:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Summarizing like data - suggestions?
References: <B136B69EEE85D511A7B800508B5A9B19066BD9B6@acsexch.corp.acsalaska.com>
Message-ID: <01f601c3a273$8b5e07c0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...write a module ...attach it to a button ...in the module use a
DoCmd.RunQry(sic ...I'm writing off the top here) sequence to append any new
empID records (without the Hours fields), then update Hours1, and then
update Hours2.

...if this is mission critical data, I'd back off the queries and use
transactions instead since with the queries the user won't know if
everything got transferred correctly ...with transactions its an all or
nothing deal which is more difficult to write but much more reliable ime.

William Hindman
<http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brown, Bryan" <Bryan.Brown at acsalaska.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:12 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Summarizing like data - suggestions?


> William - thanks for the info.
>
> This will be done monthly. I think your idea will work fine for this month
> (also read as "tomorrow!"), but I'll need to end up with a process that
the
> end-user just "clicks" start to finish :-)
>
> Bryan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 4:06 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Summarizing like data - suggestions?
>
>
> Bryan
>
> ...is this a 1-time fix or are you going to have to repeat this again and
> again? ...the solutions differ.
> ...the simplest 1-time fix ime would be to create a table with a unique
> index set for empID and then query the source table to append all records
to
> it ...dupe empIDs wont be appended ...then you should be able to run
update
> queries on the new table Hours1 and Hours2 fields using calc fields on the
> source table Hours1 and Hours2 field to total each records hours that
match
> the empID ...I have not done this but it should be doable in the query
> itself, if not you'll need to write and call a function that does it.
>
> William Hindman
> <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brown, Bryan" <Bryan.Brown at acsalaska.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:41 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Summarizing like data - suggestions?
>
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I listen a lot and offer help when I'm able (which, as a relative
newcomer
> > when compared to many of you, is not often) and now I could use some
help.
> I
> > have two tables of like data (or it could be one table with multiple
rows
> of
> > similar records) and I need to combine the records when appropriate into
> one
> > table...
> >
> > It seems simple enough, but it eludes me. I have about 3000 records to
> > compare and summarize. If all data elements, except hours, are the same
> > then, I add the hours, else I have to have separate entries. Any
> suggestions
> > would be appreciated - Thanks!
> >
> > Example of Multiple rows in one table:
> >
> > Sample Data Before Summary
> > Emplid;Name;Rate ;Title     ;Hours1;Hours2
> > 100001;Fred; 9.50;Dishwasher;40    ;22
> > 100001;Fred;15.00;Head Cook ;35    ;18
> > 100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;40    ;22
> > 100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;60    ;10
> >
> >
> > Desired Result Data after Summary
> > Emplid;Name;Rate ;Title     ;Hours1;Hours2
> > 100001;Fred; 9.50;Dishwasher;40    ;22
> > 100001;Fred;15.00;Head Cook ;35    ;18
> > 100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;100   ;32
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > This transmittal may contain confidential information intended solely
for
> > the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby
> > notified that you have received this transmittal in error; any review,
> > dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal is strictly
> > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please
> notify
> > us immediately by reply or by telephone (collect at 907-564-1000) and
ask
> to
> > speak with the message sender. In addition, please immediately delete
this
> > message and all attachments. Thank you. ACS3/11/2003
> >
> >
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Mon Nov  3 22:26:58 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:26:58 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEPIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00f501c3a28b$e2dcc960$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Yeah if it was just copyright I'd have no issue, but it did specifically say not
to be distributed except as part of an application.  Probably OK, but ...

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Tuesday, 04 November, 2003 1:01 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
>
>
> I THINK as long as the code says "you may use as long as the copyright
> notice remains" and you post the whole thing with the
> copyright notice, it
> is legal to post the code, especially as it isn't embedded in
> an EZine.
> It's always safer to just post the link though.  People like
> visitors to
> their site..
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Stuart Sanders
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:56 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
>
>
> yeah I've used this for a couple of years.  Was going to just
> post the code,
> but Dev has a copy right notice.
>
> Stuart
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
>
>
> > ...hey! ...nice find, works like a charm ...as it happens I have an
> > immediate use for this little honey ...thanks :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:26 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> >
> >
> > > What you want is this:
> > >
> > > http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0018.htm
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Jim Lawrence (AccessD)
> > > > Sent: Monday, 03 November, 2003 3:47 PM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi All:
> > > >
> > > > This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I can
> > > > not remember or
> > > > find the related code. (Advanced years and all)
> > > >
> > > > Can you set up Access to, under program control to
> > > > run/display any file that
> > > > the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf
> > > > file, spreadsheet
> > > > or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each
> > > > type. I have
> > > > written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there
> > > > must be any easier
> > > > way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web
> > > > page can do this
> > > > but can an Access program?
> > > >
> > > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> > > >
> > > > MTIA
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov  3 22:40:43 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:40:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
References: <00f501c3a28b$e2dcc960$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <002b01c3a28d$ce86b910$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...frm Dev's Terms of Use ...seems pretty clear to me that a link is it :(

"You cannot

 copy, redistribute or republish any source code code from this site by any
means, including distributing the code on the web, in zip files, demos or
via a CD collection, whether free or not. This means no web pages, text
files, demo projects, classes, or databases that replicate the source found
here. If you find something of interest please refer users to the
corresponding page, or link to the page(s) of interest.

To reiterate, you are not allowed to redistribute this code as source in any
manner whatsoever. For those few of you who have trouble understanding these
simple guidelines, that means you cannot repost these samples on your web
site (although links to here are fine), you cannot bundle these samples on a
CD and sell it, in general you cannot steal credit for others work."

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:26 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format


> Yeah if it was just copyright I'd have no issue, but it did specifically
say not
> to be distributed except as part of an application.  Probably OK, but ...
>
> Stuart
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> > Sent: Tuesday, 04 November, 2003 1:01 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> >
> >
> > I THINK as long as the code says "you may use as long as the copyright
> > notice remains" and you post the whole thing with the
> > copyright notice, it
> > is legal to post the code, especially as it isn't embedded in
> > an EZine.
> > It's always safer to just post the link though.  People like
> > visitors to
> > their site..
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > Stuart Sanders
> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:56 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> >
> >
> > yeah I've used this for a couple of years.  Was going to just
> > post the code,
> > but Dev has a copy right notice.
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> >
> >
> > > ...hey! ...nice find, works like a charm ...as it happens I have an
> > > immediate use for this little honey ...thanks :)
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:26 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > >
> > >
> > > > What you want is this:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0018.htm
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Stuart
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > Jim Lawrence (AccessD)
> > > > > Sent: Monday, 03 November, 2003 3:47 PM
> > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi All:
> > > > >
> > > > > This is a simple question I am sure but the life of me I can
> > > > > not remember or
> > > > > find the related code. (Advanced years and all)
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you set up Access to, under program control to
> > > > > run/display any file that
> > > > > the local computer recognizes, like a Word document, pdf
> > > > > file, spreadsheet
> > > > > or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each
> > > > > type. I have
> > > > > written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there
> > > > > must be any easier
> > > > > way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web
> > > > > page can do this
> > > > > but can an Access program?
> > > > >
> > > > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> > > > >
> > > > > MTIA
> > > > > Jim
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Nov  4 01:49:36 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:49:36 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <002b01c3a28d$ce86b910$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <00b301c3a2a8$31959d40$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

If you're talking about the code I posted then I must state that I
didn't get it from Dev's site. It is actually different but similar
because it uses the same API call, but I was sent it by someone on the
list, which is why I thought it was ok to post. There's no way I'd use
Dev's code and take out the notices in it, or post it here if I had.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> William Hindman
> Sent: 04 November 2003 04:41
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> 
> 
> ...frm Dev's Terms of Use ...seems pretty clear to me that a 
> link is it :(
> 
> "You cannot
> 
>  copy, redistribute or republish any source code code from 
> this site by any means, including distributing the code on 
> the web, in zip files, demos or via a CD collection, whether 
> free or not. This means no web pages, text files, demo 
> projects, classes, or databases that replicate the source 
> found here. If you find something of interest please refer 
> users to the corresponding page, or link to the page(s) of interest.
> 
> To reiterate, you are not allowed to redistribute this code 
> as source in any manner whatsoever. For those few of you who 
> have trouble understanding these simple guidelines, that 
> means you cannot repost these samples on your web site 
> (although links to here are fine), you cannot bundle these 
> samples on a CD and sell it, in general you cannot steal 
> credit for others work."
> 
> William Hindman
> Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, 
> government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:26 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> 
> 
> > Yeah if it was just copyright I'd have no issue, but it did 
> > specifically
> say not
> > to be distributed except as part of an application.  
> Probably OK, but 
> > ...
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John 
> > > Colby
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 04 November, 2003 1:01 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > >
> > >
> > > I THINK as long as the code says "you may use as long as the 
> > > copyright notice remains" and you post the whole thing with the 
> > > copyright notice, it is legal to post the code, especially as it 
> > > isn't embedded in an EZine.
> > > It's always safer to just post the link though.  People like
> > > visitors to
> > > their site..
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart 
> > > Sanders
> > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:56 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > >
> > >
> > > yeah I've used this for a couple of years.  Was going to 
> just post 
> > > the code, but Dev has a copy right notice.
> > >
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:41 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > >
> > >
> > > > ...hey! ...nice find, works like a charm ...as it 
> happens I have 
> > > > an immediate use for this little honey ...thanks :)
> > > >
> > > > William Hindman
> > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> > > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:26 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > What you want is this:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0018.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Stuart
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> Behalf Of Jim 
> > > > > > Lawrence (AccessD)
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, 03 November, 2003 3:47 PM
> > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi All:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is a simple question I am sure but the life of 
> me I can 
> > > > > > not remember or find the related code. (Advanced years and 
> > > > > > all)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you set up Access to, under program control to 
> run/display 
> > > > > > any file that the local computer recognizes, like a Word 
> > > > > > document, pdf file, spreadsheet
> > > > > > or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each
> > > > > > type. I have
> > > > > > written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there
> > > > > > must be any easier
> > > > > > way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web
> > > > > > page can do this
> > > > > > but can an Access program?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MTIA
> > > > > > Jim
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov  4 02:00:01 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 03:00:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
References: <00b301c3a2a8$31959d40$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <000601c3a2a9$a63b4220$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...no Andy ...not referring to your code post at all ...I was replying to JC
& Stuart's discussion whether it was OK for Stuart to post the code from
Dev's site rather than the link :)

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:49 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format


> If you're talking about the code I posted then I must state that I
> didn't get it from Dev's site. It is actually different but similar
> because it uses the same API call, but I was sent it by someone on the
> list, which is why I thought it was ok to post. There's no way I'd use
> Dev's code and take out the notices in it, or post it here if I had.
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > William Hindman
> > Sent: 04 November 2003 04:41
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> >
> >
> > ...frm Dev's Terms of Use ...seems pretty clear to me that a
> > link is it :(
> >
> > "You cannot
> >
> >  copy, redistribute or republish any source code code from
> > this site by any means, including distributing the code on
> > the web, in zip files, demos or via a CD collection, whether
> > free or not. This means no web pages, text files, demo
> > projects, classes, or databases that replicate the source
> > found here. If you find something of interest please refer
> > users to the corresponding page, or link to the page(s) of interest.
> >
> > To reiterate, you are not allowed to redistribute this code
> > as source in any manner whatsoever. For those few of you who
> > have trouble understanding these simple guidelines, that
> > means you cannot repost these samples on your web site
> > (although links to here are fine), you cannot bundle these
> > samples on a CD and sell it, in general you cannot steal
> > credit for others work."
> >
> > William Hindman
> > Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> > government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:26 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> >
> >
> > > Yeah if it was just copyright I'd have no issue, but it did
> > > specifically
> > say not
> > > to be distributed except as part of an application.
> > Probably OK, but
> > > ...
> > >
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John
> > > > Colby
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 04 November, 2003 1:01 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I THINK as long as the code says "you may use as long as the
> > > > copyright notice remains" and you post the whole thing with the
> > > > copyright notice, it is legal to post the code, especially as it
> > > > isn't embedded in an EZine.
> > > > It's always safer to just post the link though.  People like
> > > > visitors to
> > > > their site..
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> > > > Sanders
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:56 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > yeah I've used this for a couple of years.  Was going to
> > just post
> > > > the code, but Dev has a copy right notice.
> > > >
> > > > Stuart
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:41 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ...hey! ...nice find, works like a charm ...as it
> > happens I have
> > > > > an immediate use for this little honey ...thanks :)
> > > > >
> > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> > > > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:26 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > What you want is this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0018.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stuart
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Jim
> > > > > > > Lawrence (AccessD)
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, 03 November, 2003 3:47 PM
> > > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi All:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is a simple question I am sure but the life of
> > me I can
> > > > > > > not remember or find the related code. (Advanced years and
> > > > > > > all)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can you set up Access to, under program control to
> > run/display
> > > > > > > any file that the local computer recognizes, like a Word
> > > > > > > document, pdf file, spreadsheet
> > > > > > > or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each
> > > > > > > type. I have
> > > > > > > written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there
> > > > > > > must be any easier
> > > > > > > way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web
> > > > > > > page can do this
> > > > > > > but can an Access program?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > MTIA
> > > > > > > Jim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > Website:
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov  4 02:33:38 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:33:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
In-Reply-To: <3FA6C306.9030506@shaw.ca>
References: <8615823653.20031103132209@cactus.dk> <3FA6AC54.4060600@shaw.ca>
 <3FA6C306.9030506@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <632277374.20031104093338@cactus.dk>

Thanks Marty! I'll have a look.

/gustav


> Here are some other uses of  InfoPath from Jean Paoli, the architect of 
> Microsoft Office's XML

> http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/02/20/08stratdev_1.html


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Nov  4 01:58:15 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 8:58:15 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
Message-ID: <20031104085813.349DC24EDE7@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

ok, thanks William. I was a bit concerned there for a moment.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
Date: 04/11/03 13:01


....no Andy ...not referring to your code post at all ...I was replying to
JC
& Stuart's discussion whether it was OK for Stuart to post the code from
Dev's site rather than the link :)

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:49 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format


> If you're talking about the code I posted then I must state that I
> didn't get it from Dev's site. It is actually different but similar
> because it uses the same API call, but I was sent it by someone on the
> list, which is why I thought it was ok to post. There's no way I'd use
> Dev's code and take out the notices in it, or post it here if I had.
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > William Hindman
> > Sent: 04 November 2003 04:41
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> >
> >
> > ...frm Dev's Terms of Use ...seems pretty clear to me that a
> > link is it :(
> >
> > "You cannot
> >
> > copy, redistribute or republish any source code code from
> > this site by any means, including distributing the code on
> > the web, in zip files, demos or via a CD collection, whether
> > free or not. This means no web pages, text files, demo
> > projects, classes, or databases that replicate the source
> > found here. If you find something of interest please refer
> > users to the corresponding page, or link to the page(s) of interest.
> >
> > To reiterate, you are not allowed to redistribute this code
> > as source in any manner whatsoever. For those few of you who
> > have trouble understanding these simple guidelines, that
> > means you cannot repost these samples on your web site
> > (although links to here are fine), you cannot bundle these
> > samples on a CD and sell it, in general you cannot steal
> > credit for others work."
> >
> > William Hindman
> > Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> > government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:26 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> >
> >
> > > Yeah if it was just copyright I'd have no issue, but it did
> > > specifically
> > say not
> > > to be distributed except as part of an application.
> > Probably OK, but
> > > ...
> > >
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John
> > > > Colby
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 04 November, 2003 1:01 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I THINK as long as the code says "you may use as long as the
> > > > copyright notice remains" and you post the whole thing with the
> > > > copyright notice, it is legal to post the code, especially as it
> > > > isn't embedded in an EZine.
> > > > It's always safer to just post the link though. People like
> > > > visitors to
> > > > their site..
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> > > > Sanders
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:56 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > yeah I've used this for a couple of years. Was going to
> > just post
> > > > the code, but Dev has a copy right notice.
> > > >
> > > > Stuart
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:41 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ...hey! ...nice find, works like a charm ...as it
> > happens I have
> > > > > an immediate use for this little honey ...thanks :)
> > > > >
> > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In The Free State!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> > > > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:26 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > What you want is this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0018.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stuart
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Jim
> > > > > > > Lawrence (AccessD)
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, 03 November, 2003 3:47 PM
> > > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi All:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is a simple question I am sure but the life of
> > me I can
> > > > > > > not remember or find the related code. (Advanced years and
> > > > > > > all)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can you set up Access to, under program control to
> > run/display
> > > > > > > any file that the local computer recognizes, like a Word
> > > > > > > document, pdf file, spreadsheet
> > > > > > > or maybe a web page without writing specific code for each
> > > > > > > type. I have
> > > > > > > written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages but there
> > > > > > > must be any easier
> > > > > > > way than blocks of code for each extension. A browser web
> > > > > > > page can do this
> > > > > > > but can an Access program?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > MTIA
> > > > > > > Jim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Tue Nov  4 03:11:52 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:11:52 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <20031104085813.349DC24EDE7@smithers.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000301c3a2b3$afed5c40$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

There is generally only one real way to use API calls.  It is kind of silly to
copyright an API wrapper that just about anyone can duplicate with some effort,
and was probably translated from a C implementation anyway.

I guess if it ever came to a law-suit (highly unlikely I think), it would be
fairly simple to prove that it is for 2 people to come up with almost identical
same code.

I'm almost curious to see what a hunt on MSDN brings up.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Tuesday, 04 November, 2003 3:58 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
>
>
> ok, thanks William. I was a bit concerned there for a moment.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> Date: 04/11/03 13:01
>
>
> ....no Andy ...not referring to your code post at all ...I
> was replying to
> JC
> & Stuart's discussion whether it was OK for Stuart to post
> the code from
> Dev's site rather than the link :)
>
> William Hindman
> Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:49 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
>
>
> > If you're talking about the code I posted then I must state that I
> > didn't get it from Dev's site. It is actually different but similar
> > because it uses the same API call, but I was sent it by
> someone on the
> > list, which is why I thought it was ok to post. There's no
> way I'd use
> > Dev's code and take out the notices in it, or post it here if I had.
> >
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > William Hindman
> > > Sent: 04 November 2003 04:41
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > >
> > >
> > > ...frm Dev's Terms of Use ...seems pretty clear to me that a
> > > link is it :(
> > >
> > > "You cannot
> > >
> > > copy, redistribute or republish any source code code from
> > > this site by any means, including distributing the code on
> > > the web, in zip files, demos or via a CD collection, whether
> > > free or not. This means no web pages, text files, demo
> > > projects, classes, or databases that replicate the source
> > > found here. If you find something of interest please refer
> > > users to the corresponding page, or link to the page(s)
> of interest.
> > >
> > > To reiterate, you are not allowed to redistribute this code
> > > as source in any manner whatsoever. For those few of you who
> > > have trouble understanding these simple guidelines, that
> > > means you cannot repost these samples on your web site
> > > (although links to here are fine), you cannot bundle these
> > > samples on a CD and sell it, in general you cannot steal
> > > credit for others work."
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> > > government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:26 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > >
> > >
> > > > Yeah if it was just copyright I'd have no issue, but it did
> > > > specifically
> > > say not
> > > > to be distributed except as part of an application.
> > > Probably OK, but
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > Stuart
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of John
> > > > > Colby
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 04 November, 2003 1:01 AM
> > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I THINK as long as the code says "you may use as long as the
> > > > > copyright notice remains" and you post the whole
> thing with the
> > > > > copyright notice, it is legal to post the code,
> especially as it
> > > > > isn't embedded in an EZine.
> > > > > It's always safer to just post the link though. People like
> > > > > visitors to
> > > > > their site..
> > > > >
> > > > > John W. Colby
> > > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Stuart
> > > > > Sanders
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:56 AM
> > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > yeah I've used this for a couple of years. Was going to
> > > just post
> > > > > the code, but Dev has a copy right notice.
> > > > >
> > > > > Stuart
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> > > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:41 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ...hey! ...nice find, works like a charm ...as it
> > > happens I have
> > > > > > an immediate use for this little honey ...thanks :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William Hindman
> > > > > > <http://www.freestateproject.org> - Next Year In
> The Free State!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> > > > > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:26 AM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > What you want is this:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0018.htm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Stuart
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > > Behalf Of Jim
> > > > > > > > Lawrence (AccessD)
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, 03 November, 2003 3:47 PM
> > > > > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi All:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is a simple question I am sure but the life of
> > > me I can
> > > > > > > > not remember or find the related code.
> (Advanced years and
> > > > > > > > all)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Can you set up Access to, under program control to
> > > run/display
> > > > > > > > any file that the local computer recognizes, like a Word
> > > > > > > > document, pdf file, spreadsheet
> > > > > > > > or maybe a web page without writing specific
> code for each
> > > > > > > > type. I have
> > > > > > > > written procedures for Word Excel and Web pages
> but there
> > > > > > > > must be any easier
> > > > > > > > way than blocks of code for each extension. A
> browser web
> > > > > > > > page can do this
> > > > > > > > but can an Access program?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > MTIA
> > > > > > > > Jim
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Nov  4 03:35:58 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:35:58 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <000301c3a2b3$afed5c40$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
References: <20031104085813.349DC24EDE7@smithers.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3FA7FF9E.25074.14AE381@localhost>

On 4 Nov 2003 at 17:11, Stuart Sanders wrote:

> There is generally only one real way to use API calls.  It is kind of silly to
> copyright an API wrapper that just about anyone can duplicate with some effort,
> and was probably translated from a C implementation anyway.
> 
> I guess if it ever came to a law-suit (highly unlikely I think), it would be
> fairly simple to prove that it is for 2 people to come up with almost identical
> same code.
> 
> I'm almost curious to see what a hunt on MSDN brings up.
> 
> Stuart
> 

I've posted my own ShellExecute() wrapper on this list a couple of 
times already.  The only real difference between it and Dev's is in 
the variable names.  It certainly was not based on Dev's code and 
quite probably pre-dates it.  Should I try to sure Dev? :-)

The Other Stuart





From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Tue Nov  4 03:51:17 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:51:17 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <000301c3a2b3$afed5c40$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <000501c3a2b9$31552920$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>



> -----Original Message-----
> I guess if it ever came to a law-suit (highly unlikely I
> think), it would be
> fairly simple to prove that it is for 2 people to come up
> with almost identical
> same code.

Bleh ... My typing isn't keeping up with my thought processes ... Or then again
maybe for once it did..

It should read:

"I guess if it ever came to a law-suit (highly unlikely I think), it would be
fairly simple to prove that it is easy for 2 people to come up with almost
identical code."

Stuart

(it would be easier if you used Stewart :p)



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue Nov  4 05:31:04 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 06:31:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Running local file format
In-Reply-To: <00f501c3a28b$e2dcc960$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEPIFIAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3FA747A8.8876.1D091C@localhost>

On 4 Nov 2003 at 12:26, Stuart Sanders wrote:

> Yeah if it was just copyright I'd have no issue, but it did
> specifically say not to be distributed except as part of an
> application.  Probably OK, but ...

Probably not if is says specifically not to be distributed except as 
part of an app.

It's better to post websites, because you never know what else 
someone will find useful on the site. Not to mention the possible 
legal issues that may be involved.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a 
horrible warning.



From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Tue Nov  4 07:01:17 2003
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:01:17 -0000 
Subject: [AccessD] A97 Install Problem
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DBDB@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

Hi Group

A97 App installation using Setup Wizard deployment (to run runtime MS Access
97)

Had a strange problem  with a Windows 2000 pc. (works okay elsewhere)

Just before the installation completes get the message....

Title Bar: acmesetup.exe 'Bad image' 

with the message content being:

The application or DLL C:\~MSSETUP\~MSSTFQF.T\32AUTOLE.DLLis not a valid
windows image. Please check againt installation diskette.


Application files seem to install ok and folder set up ok but cannot run
app.  After creating a shortcut (as the setup one did not install) I get the
message...

"There Is No License" for ....
Anyone any ideas???
Many thanks in advance
Richard











From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov  4 10:00:50 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 08:00:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A97 Install Problem
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631240B@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Take a look at this MSKB article
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;141373&Product=a
cc and see if it helps.  From the sounds of it, you may have a bad setup
image.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Griffiths, Richard [mailto:R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 5:01 AM
To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] A97 Install Problem


Hi Group

A97 App installation using Setup Wizard deployment (to run runtime MS
Access
97)

Had a strange problem  with a Windows 2000 pc. (works okay elsewhere)

Just before the installation completes get the message....

Title Bar: acmesetup.exe 'Bad image' 

with the message content being:

The application or DLL C:\~MSSETUP\~MSSTFQF.T\32AUTOLE.DLLis not a valid
windows image. Please check againt installation diskette.


Application files seem to install ok and folder set up ok but cannot run
app.  After creating a shortcut (as the setup one did not install) I get
the message...

"There Is No License" for ....
Anyone any ideas???
Many thanks in advance
Richard










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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov  4 10:03:57 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 08:03:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - BE corruption???
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631240C@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

If the client is using something older than Jet SP3, that may be the
source of your problem.  Get them updated to at least SP6.  Otherwise,
there are a bunch of gotchas that may "corrupt" your data.  The versions
of Office don't matter so much as long as A2k is running on both.  Are
both versions of A2k patched to the same SR level?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Alberto Alves [mailto:caa at highway.com.br] 
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 4:22 PM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - BE corruption???


Dear Mates:
I would like to have your opinion on this matter. I developed an A2k 
database system with three identical FE's and one BE. It has data from 
jan2001 to now. Upon executing a simple select query I noticed that I 
could not retrieve any records from 2002. The same query executed on a
BE 
backup copy from jul2003 returned all due records.
Is this a BE corruption??? I tried "Compact and repair...", JetComp and 
import all tables to a new BE with no better results.
Things that called my attention:
1- I use Jet 4.0 SP6 and my client uses something older than SP3;
2- I use Access 2000/Office 2000 and my client uses Access 2000/Office
97. Thanks for any input,
-- 
**************************************
* Carlos Alberto Alves               *
* Child Neurologist                  *
* Systems Analyst/Programmer         *
* Rio de Janeiro, Brazil             *
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Tue Nov  4 10:11:37 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:11:37 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - BE corruption???
In-Reply-To: <oprx27avloeuy8y3@localhost>
References: <oprx27avloeuy8y3@localhost>
Message-ID: <3FA7CFB9.5090003@verizon.net>

I would try and update his copy of Jet to SP6 to see if your results change.

Carlos Alberto Alves wrote:

> Dear Mates:
> I would like to have your opinion on this matter. I developed an A2k 
> database system with three identical FE's and one BE. It has data from 
> jan2001 to now. Upon executing a simple select query I noticed that I 
> could not retrieve any records from 2002. The same query executed on a 
> BE backup copy from jul2003 returned all due records.
> Is this a BE corruption??? I tried ???Compact and repair...???, 
> JetComp and import all tables to a new BE with no better results.
> Things that called my attention:
> 1- I use Jet 4.0 SP6 and my client uses something older than SP3;
> 2- I use Access 2000/Office 2000 and my client uses Access 2000/Office 
> 97.
> Thanks for any input,



-- 
-Francisco



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov  4 10:10:03 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 08:10:03 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A97 Install Problem
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631240D@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Ooops.  Watch out for the wrap!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 8:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 Install Problem


Take a look at this MSKB article
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;141373&Product=a
cc and see if it helps.  From the sounds of it, you may have a bad setup
image.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Griffiths, Richard [mailto:R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 5:01 AM
To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] A97 Install Problem


Hi Group

A97 App installation using Setup Wizard deployment (to run runtime MS
Access
97)

Had a strange problem  with a Windows 2000 pc. (works okay elsewhere)

Just before the installation completes get the message....

Title Bar: acmesetup.exe 'Bad image' 

with the message content being:

The application or DLL C:\~MSSETUP\~MSSTFQF.T\32AUTOLE.DLLis not a valid
windows image. Please check againt installation diskette.


Application files seem to install ok and folder set up ok but cannot run
app.  After creating a shortcut (as the setup one did not install) I get
the message...

"There Is No License" for ....
Anyone any ideas???
Many thanks in advance
Richard










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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Nov  4 10:16:00 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:16:00 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022274A0@main2.marlow.com>

Oh, I keep the door open, and there's a nice big hole in the wall, so
there's plenty of airflow.  <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 4:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer


On 3 Nov 2003 at 11:40, Drew Wutka wrote:

> To tie this into an Access related (actually AccessD related) post, in my
> old place (one before the fire), I had my servers near the foot of my
> bed...and those things were NOISY.  Of course, one of the fans was going
> out, so that didn't help! <grin> But now that they're in the closet, I can
> soundly sleep at night, and still host the archives! <grin> (Come on, give
> me points for trying to tie that in!)
> 

Until the archives get lost because the servers overheat and melt 
down without adequate airflow? :-)





 
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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Tue Nov  4 10:16:01 2003
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:16:01 -0000 
Subject: [AccessD] A97 Install Problem
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DBDC@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

Many thanks. I'll give it a try

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Charlotte Foust [SMTP:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent:	04 November 2003 16:10
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] A97 Install Problem
> 
> Ooops.  Watch out for the wrap!
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 8:01 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 Install Problem
> 
> 
> Take a look at this MSKB article
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;141373&Product=a
> cc and see if it helps.  From the sounds of it, you may have a bad setup
> image.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Griffiths, Richard [mailto:R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 5:01 AM
> To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] A97 Install Problem
> 
> 
> Hi Group
> 
> A97 App installation using Setup Wizard deployment (to run runtime MS
> Access
> 97)
> 
> Had a strange problem  with a Windows 2000 pc. (works okay elsewhere)
> 
> Just before the installation completes get the message....
> 
> Title Bar: acmesetup.exe 'Bad image' 
> 
> with the message content being:
> 
> The application or DLL C:\~MSSETUP\~MSSTFQF.T\32AUTOLE.DLLis not a valid
> windows image. Please check againt installation diskette.
> 
> 
> Application files seem to install ok and folder set up ok but cannot run
> app.  After creating a shortcut (as the setup one did not install) I get
> the message...
> 
> "There Is No License" for ....
> Anyone any ideas???
> Many thanks in advance
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Nov  4 10:18:33 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:18:33 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] Summarizing like data - suggestions?
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022274A1@main2.marlow.com>

Group By Emplid, Name, Rate, and Title.  Sum both Hours fields.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Brown, Bryan [mailto:Bryan.Brown at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 6:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Summarizing like data - suggestions?


Hi everyone,

I listen a lot and offer help when I'm able (which, as a relative newcomer
when compared to many of you, is not often) and now I could use some help. I
have two tables of like data (or it could be one table with multiple rows of
similar records) and I need to combine the records when appropriate into one
table...

It seems simple enough, but it eludes me. I have about 3000 records to
compare and summarize. If all data elements, except hours, are the same
then, I add the hours, else I have to have separate entries. Any suggestions
would be appreciated - Thanks!

Example of Multiple rows in one table:

Sample Data Before Summary
Emplid;Name;Rate ;Title     ;Hours1;Hours2
100001;Fred; 9.50;Dishwasher;40    ;22
100001;Fred;15.00;Head Cook ;35    ;18
100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;40    ;22
100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;60    ;10


Desired Result Data after Summary
Emplid;Name;Rate ;Title     ;Hours1;Hours2
100001;Fred; 9.50;Dishwasher;40    ;22
100001;Fred;15.00;Head Cook ;35    ;18
100002;Bob ; 9.00;Waiter    ;100   ;32







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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov  4 10:51:43 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:51:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022274A0@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c3a2f3$ed25b590$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

"there's a nice big hole in the wall" Drew

...the results of your beating your head against it no doubt :))))

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 11:16 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer


> Oh, I keep the door open, and there's a nice big hole in the wall, so
> there's plenty of airflow.  <grin>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 4:19 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
>
>
> On 3 Nov 2003 at 11:40, Drew Wutka wrote:
>
> > To tie this into an Access related (actually AccessD related) post, in
my
> > old place (one before the fire), I had my servers near the foot of my
> > bed...and those things were NOISY.  Of course, one of the fans was going
> > out, so that didn't help! <grin> But now that they're in the closet, I
can
> > soundly sleep at night, and still host the archives! <grin> (Come on,
give
> > me points for trying to tie that in!)
> >
>
> Until the archives get lost because the servers overheat and melt
> down without adequate airflow? :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
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> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System
> Support.
>
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Nov  4 11:05:21 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:05:21 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022274A7@main2.marlow.com>

No, the results of not having an outlet in there.  Needed to run a lot of
cords, and just didn't feel like snaking em.  So I put a hole in the way
about 6" in diameter.  Might be smaller then that, but with the door
cracked, it's plenty of air flow! And still not very noisy.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer


"there's a nice big hole in the wall" Drew

...the results of your beating your head against it no doubt :))))

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 11:16 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer


> Oh, I keep the door open, and there's a nice big hole in the wall, so
> there's plenty of airflow.  <grin>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 4:19 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Noisy computer
>
>
> On 3 Nov 2003 at 11:40, Drew Wutka wrote:
>
> > To tie this into an Access related (actually AccessD related) post, in
my
> > old place (one before the fire), I had my servers near the foot of my
> > bed...and those things were NOISY.  Of course, one of the fans was going
> > out, so that didn't help! <grin> But now that they're in the closet, I
can
> > soundly sleep at night, and still host the archives! <grin> (Come on,
give
> > me points for trying to tie that in!)
> >
>
> Until the archives get lost because the servers overheat and melt
> down without adequate airflow? :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Lexacorp Ltd
> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
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> Support.
>
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov  4 11:37:24 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:37:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] data not entered error not triggering
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEDJFJAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I have a wierd thing occurring.  I have a form where the user enters data.
If they don't select a combo (put a FK in a field) and try to close the form
by clicking the x in the upper right corner, an error is triggered.  If they
click my close button, the form closes but the JET data error never
triggers.

My close button just does a docmd.close.

has anyone ever seen this?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov  4 14:03:36 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:03:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC
Message-ID: <007c01c3a30e$bbd6ec00$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Does anyone remember a download utility that you could use to alter the
Database window Objects toolbar in the Database window. I vaguely remember
that they referred to it as the Places toolbar -- might be wrong about that,
I just can't remember now.

I've been trying to find the utility at MS but can't so I don't know if this
is just another one of my "lost touch with reality" memories or if I'm just
keying in the wrong search criteria. I've searched on Objects and Places bar
and toolbar, and even Access utilities and add-in. :(

Susan H.




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov  4 14:16:33 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:16:33 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631240F@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

How are you trying to alter it?  You can change the items on it and
change their order by using the Customize option from the
menubar/toolbar.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 12:04 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC


Does anyone remember a download utility that you could use to alter the
Database window Objects toolbar in the Database window. I vaguely
remember that they referred to it as the Places toolbar -- might be
wrong about that, I just can't remember now.

I've been trying to find the utility at MS but can't so I don't know if
this is just another one of my "lost touch with reality" memories or if
I'm just keying in the wrong search criteria. I've searched on Objects
and Places bar and toolbar, and even Access utilities and add-in. :(

Susan H.



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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Tue Nov  4 14:22:44 2003
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 22:22:44 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] MSACCESS 2003 can't find the wizards...
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022273EC@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <002001c3a311$6cea93f0$0100a8c0@kost36>

HI group
I used an Office XP version worked fine
I have just installed a trial version of OFFICE 2003.
While working I discovered that none of the access wizards works
The message I get, even when I try to run he ADD-IN manager is

Can't find the Wizard, or the wizard has not been installed or there is a
syntax error in the Declarations sections of a Visual Basic Module. The
wizard you need may be missing from thw Libraries key of the ... section of
the Windows Registry bla bla bla...

I have installed office two times but the problem remains the same
Could anybody know how to fix that?

Thank's all
Kostas Konstantinidis



From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Nov  4 14:28:37 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:28:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] CopyObject macro
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <42601.12.3.132.98.1067977717.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Hey Group

Is there a way to,(using a CopyObjectMacro) to copy a table, an save under
the same name + today's date ?


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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov  4 14:44:47 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:44:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631240F@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00f001c3a314$80d54600$220110ac@SUSANONE>

It's possible Charlotte, that the utility has been replaced with the
built-in features. I can't remember enough about it to say for sure and was
hoping someone else would remember it and put me out of my misery. :)

Susan H.


> How are you trying to alter it?  You can change the items on it and
> change their order by using the Customize option from the
> menubar/toolbar.



From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Nov  4 14:53:07 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:53:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC
In-Reply-To: <007c01c3a30e$bbd6ec00$220110ac@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKIEILHMAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Susan,

  I haven't seen or heard of anything like that.  Sorry.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:04 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC


Does anyone remember a download utility that you could use to alter the
Database window Objects toolbar in the Database window. I vaguely remember
that they referred to it as the Places toolbar -- might be wrong about that,
I just can't remember now.

I've been trying to find the utility at MS but can't so I don't know if this
is just another one of my "lost touch with reality" memories or if I'm just
keying in the wrong search criteria. I've searched on Objects and Places bar
and toolbar, and even Access utilities and add-in. :(

Susan H.



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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Nov  4 15:42:55 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 07:42:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] CopyObject macro
In-Reply-To: <42601.12.3.132.98.1067977717.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <3FA8A9FF.8242.2D48C3@localhost>

On 4 Nov 2003 at 15:28, Oleg_123 at xuppa.com wrote:

> Hey Group
> 
> Is there a way to,(using a CopyObjectMacro) to copy a table, an save under
> the same name + today's date ?
> 
> 

CopyObject macro can't take a function as an argument, it needs a 
simple string, so without finding the entry in  msysAccessObjects and 
hacking it, there is no way that I can think of.

Why do you need to use a CopyObject macro. How about a function:

Function CopyTable(TableName as String) 
	DoCmd.CopyObject , TableName & Format$(Date, "yymmdd"), acTable, 
TableName
End Function

If you *really* need a macro , create one which calls the function 
using Runcode.

 
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Nov  4 15:54:38 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:54:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
Message-ID: <020b01c3a31e$3e94a060$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed (A2K).  When you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs to be repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access try to repair it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.

I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't do an import into a fresh database either.

I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?

TIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Tue Nov  4 15:59:37 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:59:37 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query - Should be simple but my brian is fried
Message-ID: <OF71ED2BED.471780F4-ON86256DD4.007873C0-86256DD4.0078D0A5@nc.us.bank-dns.com>


First off forgive me for asking about this as I should remember how to do
this but it has been a long day today.





 I have a table with the following fields (Field Type in Paras):


 TransactionNumber (Autonumber)


 FundNumber (LongInteger)


 TransactionDate (Date)


 TransactionAmount (Double)


 TransactionComments (Text:255)


 What I need to do is have an output similar to the following:





 TransacationDate


 Transaction Amount


 Running Total for Fund


 This is sorted by Transaction Date





 Thanks for your help.



From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue Nov  4 16:01:37 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:01:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] CopyObject macro
In-Reply-To: <3FA8A9FF.8242.2D48C3@localhost>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
        <3FA8A9FF.8242.2D48C3@localhost>
Message-ID: <29737.12.3.132.98.1067983297.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Thanks a lot Stuart, I did put it as RunCode in Macro and called the
function (this had to be a part of one large macro)
:--)

> On 4 Nov 2003 at 15:28, Oleg_123 at xuppa.com wrote:
>
>> Hey Group
>>
>> Is there a way to,(using a CopyObjectMacro) to copy a table, an save
>> under the same name + today's date ?
>>
>>
>
> CopyObject macro can't take a function as an argument, it needs a
> simple string, so without finding the entry in  msysAccessObjects and
> hacking it, there is no way that I can think of.
>
> Why do you need to use a CopyObject macro. How about a function:
>
> Function CopyTable(TableName as String)
> 	DoCmd.CopyObject , TableName & Format$(Date, "yymmdd"), acTable,
> TableName
> End Function
>
> If you *really* need a macro , create one which calls the function
> using Runcode.
>
>
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> Support.
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>
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  4 16:21:23 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:21:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
Message-ID: <BAY2-F96NDA25FXmgoV0002e8cf@hotmail.com>

If you have a known good copy of it you can try to open that in a editor, 
copy and paste the beginning of that file on top of the hosed one (a copy of 
the hosed one actually) save the tweaked file and see if you can open it 
then to try and copy out what you can. Sometimes the header at the beginning 
of the file get's trashed. Never done it, only heard about it.  Proceed at 
your own risk.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:54:38 -0800
>
>Dear List:
>
>I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed (A2K).  When 
>you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs to be 
>repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access try to repair 
>it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.
>
>I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't do an 
>import into a fresh database either.
>
>I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?
>
>TIA,
>
>Rocky Smolin
>Beach Access Software
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Nov  4 16:33:29 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:33:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
References: <BAY2-F96NDA25FXmgoV0002e8cf@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <02ce01c3a323$ab8e04e0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Gary:

I'm looking at then and they do look different.  How do I know where the
header ends, or how much to copy and paste?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at hotmail.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


> If you have a known good copy of it you can try to open that in a editor,
> copy and paste the beginning of that file on top of the hosed one (a copy
of
> the hosed one actually) save the tweaked file and see if you can open it
> then to try and copy out what you can. Sometimes the header at the
beginning
> of the file get's trashed. Never done it, only heard about it.  Proceed at
> your own risk.
>
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
> >Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:54:38 -0800
> >
> >Dear List:
> >
> >I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed (A2K).
When
> >you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs to be
> >repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access try to
repair
> >it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.
> >
> >I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't do an
> >import into a fresh database either.
> >
> >I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?
> >
> >TIA,
> >
> >Rocky Smolin
> >Beach Access Software
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov  4 16:54:59 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:54:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query - Should be simple but my brian is
	fried
References: <OF71ED2BED.471780F4-ON86256DD4.007873C0-86256DD4.0078D0A5@nc.us.bank-dns.com>
Message-ID: <023001c3a326$acc481b0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

..I'm confused ...you want it sorted by transaction date but you want a
running total by fund ...but the FundNumber isn't an output field you can
group on?

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 4:59 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query - Should be simple but my brian is fried


>
> First off forgive me for asking about this as I should remember how to do
> this but it has been a long day today.
>
>
>
>
>
>  I have a table with the following fields (Field Type in Paras):
>
>
>  TransactionNumber (Autonumber)
>
>
>  FundNumber (LongInteger)
>
>
>  TransactionDate (Date)
>
>
>  TransactionAmount (Double)
>
>
>  TransactionComments (Text:255)
>
>
>  What I need to do is have an output similar to the following:
>
>
>
>
>
>  TransacationDate
>
>
>  Transaction Amount
>
>
>  Running Total for Fund
>
>
>  This is sorted by Transaction Date
>
>
>
>
>
>  Thanks for your help.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From lists at jbsolutions.com.au  Tue Nov  4 17:00:59 2003
From: lists at jbsolutions.com.au (Joshua B)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 9:0:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC
Message-ID: <200311042300.hA4N0v602236@databaseadvisors.com>

Hello Susan Harkins,

The "Places Bar" is not actually the objects toolbar. It is the bar down the side of the Open/Save Dialog in O2K and greater. It can be tweaked using registry tricks, and there is also quite a few programs that will do the job for you. Have a look here... http://www.primeconsulting.com/faqs/faq0301-05.html

As far as the Object Bar is concerned, as Charlotte said, it is fairly customisable in it's own right. 

HTH

======= At 2003-11-04, 15:03:00 you wrote: =======

>Does anyone remember a download utility that you could use to alter the
>Database window Objects toolbar in the Database window. I vaguely remember
>that they referred to it as the Places toolbar -- might be wrong about that,
>I just can't remember now.
>
>I've been trying to find the utility at MS but can't so I don't know if this
>is just another one of my "lost touch with reality" memories or if I'm just
>keying in the wrong search criteria. I've searched on Objects and Places bar
>and toolbar, and even Access utilities and add-in. :(
>
>Susan H.

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
			

Best regards.				 
Joshua B
lists at jbsolutions.com.au
www.jbsolutions.com.au
2003-11-05




From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov  4 17:07:06 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:07:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC
References: <200311042300.hA4N0v602236@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <001901c3a328$fc96b3a0$220110ac@SUSANONE>

Ok, I'm sorry -- I think you are correct -- I'm talking about the
Outlook-style bar that was introduced several versions ago.

I generally refer to the bar in the Database window as the Objects bar
because just above it is the label "Objects"

But you're right -- they're two different things and that has probably been
the stumbling block to finding anything. Thank you.

Susan H.


> Hello Susan Harkins,
>
> The "Places Bar" is not actually the objects toolbar. It is the bar down
the side of the Open/Save Dialog in O2K and greater. It can be tweaked using
registry tricks, and there is also quite a few programs that will do the job
for you. Have a look here...
http://www.primeconsulting.com/faqs/faq0301-05.html
>
> As far as the Object Bar is concerned, as Charlotte said, it is fairly
customisable in it's own right.
>
> HTH
>
> ======= At 2003-11-04, 15:03:00 you wrote: =======
>
> >Does anyone remember a download utility that you could use to alter the
> >Database window Objects toolbar in the Database window. I vaguely
remember
> >that they referred to it as the Places toolbar -- might be wrong about
that,
> >I just can't remember now.
> >
> >I've been trying to find the utility at MS but can't so I don't know if
this
> >is just another one of my "lost touch with reality" memories or if I'm
just
> >keying in the wrong search criteria. I've searched on Objects and Places
bar
> >and toolbar, and even Access utilities and add-in. :(
> >
> >Susan H.
>
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>
>
> Best regards.
> Joshua B
> lists at jbsolutions.com.au
> www.jbsolutions.com.au
> 2003-11-05
>
>
>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Nov  4 17:23:55 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:23:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query - Should be simple but my brian is
	fried
In-Reply-To: <023001c3a326$acc481b0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <3FA8C1AB.13960.4472B@localhost>

William,
You can read between the lines and handle the "by fund", the problem 
is getting a running sum in a *query* rather than a report.

Jeffrey, 
Do you really mean in a query, or will a report do it.



On 4 Nov 2003 at 17:54, William Hindman wrote:

> ..I'm confused ...you want it sorted by transaction date but you want a
> running total by fund ...but the FundNumber isn't an output field you can
> group on?
> 
> William Hindman
> Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 4:59 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query - Should be simple but my brian is fried
> 
> 
> >
> > First off forgive me for asking about this as I should remember how to do
> > this but it has been a long day today.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  I have a table with the following fields (Field Type in Paras):
> >
> >
> >  TransactionNumber (Autonumber)
> >
> >
> >  FundNumber (LongInteger)
> >
> >
> >  TransactionDate (Date)
> >
> >
> >  TransactionAmount (Double)
> >
> >
> >  TransactionComments (Text:255)
> >
> >
> >  What I need to do is have an output similar to the following:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  TransacationDate
> >
> >
> >  Transaction Amount
> >
> >
> >  Running Total for Fund
> >
> >
> >  This is sorted by Transaction Date
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Thanks for your help.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> 
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Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System Support.




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Nov  4 18:01:18 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:01:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - BE corruption???
References: <oprx27avloeuy8y3@localhost> <3FA7CFB9.5090003@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <3FA83DCE.2010108@shaw.ca>

You must first update to Jet SP3 then update to higher level SP's at 
least there used to be warnings about this. The highest SP so far is SP7 
for Win9x and WinNT; SP8 for WinXP 2000 and 2003. SP8 fixes some Oracle 
interface problems. SP7 and 8 are inclusive of patches from SP 4 through 7
Jet SP7
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;282010
Jet 3.5 SP3
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=7e82ef88-52ec-4a8f-8bb2-8b06d6cb668d&DisplayLang=en



Francisco H Tapia wrote:

> I would try and update his copy of Jet to SP6 to see if your results 
> change.
>
> Carlos Alberto Alves wrote:
>
>> Dear Mates:
>> I would like to have your opinion on this matter. I developed an A2k 
>> database system with three identical FE's and one BE. It has data 
>> from jan2001 to now. Upon executing a simple select query I noticed 
>> that I could not retrieve any records from 2002. The same query 
>> executed on a BE backup copy from jul2003 returned all due records.
>> Is this a BE corruption??? I tried ???Compact and repair...???, 
>> JetComp and import all tables to a new BE with no better results.
>> Things that called my attention:
>> 1- I use Jet 4.0 SP6 and my client uses something older than SP3;
>> 2- I use Access 2000/Office 2000 and my client uses Access 
>> 2000/Office 97.
>> Thanks for any input,
>
>
>
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From demulling at centurytel.net  Tue Nov  4 20:13:21 2003
From: demulling at centurytel.net (Demulling Family)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 20:13:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query - Should be simple but my brian is
 fried
In-Reply-To: <3FA8C1AB.13960.4472B@localhost>
References: <3FA8C1AB.13960.4472B@localhost>
Message-ID: <3FA85CC1.3070000@centurytel.net>

Like I said it has been a long day.  I am only pulling one fund.  There 
can be many funds in the table that the query is being based on.

I would like to do the running sum in the query.  But to start off with 
I need it done in a form and then later on in a report.

Stuart McLachlan wrote:

>William,
>You can read between the lines and handle the "by fund", the problem 
>is getting a running sum in a *query* rather than a report.
>
>Jeffrey, 
>Do you really mean in a query, or will a report do it.
>
>
>
>On 4 Nov 2003 at 17:54, William Hindman wrote:
>
>  
>
>>..I'm confused ...you want it sorted by transaction date but you want a
>>running total by fund ...but the FundNumber isn't an output field you can
>>group on?
>>
>>William Hindman
>>Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
>>government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: <jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com>
>>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 4:59 PM
>>Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query - Should be simple but my brian is fried
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>First off forgive me for asking about this as I should remember how to do
>>>this but it has been a long day today.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a table with the following fields (Field Type in Paras):
>>>
>>>
>>> TransactionNumber (Autonumber)
>>>
>>>
>>> FundNumber (LongInteger)
>>>
>>>
>>> TransactionDate (Date)
>>>
>>>
>>> TransactionAmount (Double)
>>>
>>>
>>> TransactionComments (Text:255)
>>>
>>>
>>> What I need to do is have an output similar to the following:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> TransacationDate
>>>
>>>
>>> Transaction Amount
>>>
>>>
>>> Running Total for Fund
>>>
>>>
>>> This is sorted by Transaction Date
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>AccessD mailing list
>>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>    
>>
>
> 
>  
>



From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Nov  4 22:07:26 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:07:26 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Too Few Paramaters. Expected 1
Message-ID: <002501c3a352$52cf02d0$3c619a89@DDICK>

Hello all
Can anyone tell me why I am getting the dreaded Too Few Paramaters blah blah blah error message when
I run the code below?? The code is almast exact of something else that is running quite well on the same form.

Many thanks

Darren
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
Dim db     As Database
Dim rs     As Recordset
Dim strSQL As String
Dim x      As Long

Set db = CurrentDb()

strSQL = "SELECT tblAssesmentResults.AssesmentResultID, tblAssesmentResults.ResultID FROM tblAssesmentResults WHERE
(((tblAssesmentResults.ResultID)=[Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID]));"

Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenSnapshot)

      With rs
        'If Not .EOF Then
            x = rs.RecordCount
            MsgBox x
        'End If
        .Close
   End With

Set rs = Nothing
db.Close
Set db = Nothing



From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Tue Nov  4 22:57:23 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:27:23 +1030 
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Too Few Paramaters. Expected 1
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A4DF@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

1)  You should try to dim your variables with its library, especially in
regard to databases and recordsets.
2)  You need to escape your variables from within your SQL string.
3)  If all you want is a count of records, there's no need to retrieve an
entire recordset. Use DCOUNT function or SELECT COUNT.
4)  You can use ME instead of the full form name, if you are running this
code from an event of the same form,

So to fix the intital problem:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
Dim db     DAO.As Database
Dim rs     As DAO.Recordset
Dim strSQL As String
Dim x      As Long

Set db = CurrentDb()

strSQL = "SELECT tblAssesmentResults.AssesmentResultID,
tblAssesmentResults.ResultID _ 
	FROM tblAssesmentResults _
	WHERE tblAssesmentResults.ResultID = " &
[Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID])) & ";"

Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenSnapshot)

      With rs
        'If Not .EOF Then
            x = rs.RecordCount
            MsgBox x
        'End If
        .Close
   End With

Set rs = Nothing
db.Close
Set db = Nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

A better method:

*********************************************************
Dim x as long
x = DCOUNT("*","tblAssesmentResults","ResultID = " & me.txtResultID)
msgbox x
*********************************************************

Cheers,
Andrew

PS. You spelt Assessment wrong  ;=)

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 5 November 2003 2:37 PM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Too Few Paramaters. Expected 1


Hello all
Can anyone tell me why I am getting the dreaded Too Few Paramaters blah blah
blah error message when
I run the code below?? The code is almast exact of something else that is
running quite well on the same form.

Many thanks

Darren
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
Dim db     As Database
Dim rs     As Recordset
Dim strSQL As String
Dim x      As Long

Set db = CurrentDb()

strSQL = "SELECT tblAssesmentResults.AssesmentResultID,
tblAssesmentResults.ResultID FROM tblAssesmentResults WHERE
(((tblAssesmentResults.ResultID)=[Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID]));"

Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenSnapshot)

      With rs
        'If Not .EOF Then
            x = rs.RecordCount
            MsgBox x
        'End If
        .Close
   End With

Set rs = Nothing
db.Close
Set db = Nothing


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Nov  4 23:08:18 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:08:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Too Few Paramaters. Expected 1
References: <002501c3a352$52cf02d0$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <048001c3a35a$d3cfc920$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Darren:

Can't see why offhand but I would put MsgBox "*" &
[Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID] & "*" right before the Set rs
statement to see if there's a valid value for the ID coming from the form.

Or put MsgBox strSQL right before the Set rs statement to see the whole
thing.  Sometimes it shows up a little syntax error that I just can't see
looking at the code.

Also do you think you might have to surround the
[Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID] with Val(), like
Val([Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID]))?

Just a guess.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren DICK" <d.dick at uws.edu.au>
To: "AccessD List" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 8:07 PM
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Too Few Paramaters. Expected 1


> Hello all
> Can anyone tell me why I am getting the dreaded Too Few Paramaters blah
blah blah error message when
> I run the code below?? The code is almast exact of something else that is
running quite well on the same form.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Darren
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
> Dim db     As Database
> Dim rs     As Recordset
> Dim strSQL As String
> Dim x      As Long
>
> Set db = CurrentDb()
>
> strSQL = "SELECT tblAssesmentResults.AssesmentResultID,
tblAssesmentResults.ResultID FROM tblAssesmentResults WHERE
> (((tblAssesmentResults.ResultID)=[Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID]));"
>
> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenSnapshot)
>
>       With rs
>         'If Not .EOF Then
>             x = rs.RecordCount
>             MsgBox x
>         'End If
>         .Close
>    End With
>
> Set rs = Nothing
> db.Close
> Set db = Nothing
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Nov  4 23:31:16 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:31:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] data not entered error not triggering
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEDJFJAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFIEHBCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

Not that specific error but I am having one today that when I close a popup
form, it closes both the popup and the caller form and there we are back to
the main menu. Time for a project rebuild.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 9:37 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] data not entered error not triggering


I have a wierd thing occurring.  I have a form where the user enters data.
If they don't select a combo (put a FK in a field) and try to close the form
by clicking the x in the upper right corner, an error is triggered.  If they
click my close button, the form closes but the JET data error never
triggers.

My close button just does a docmd.close.

has anyone ever seen this?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Nov  5 00:12:36 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:12:36 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Too Few Paramaters. Expected 1
References: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A4DF@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <004e01c3a363$ceddad70$3c619a89@DDICK>

Thanks to all who responded
I went with the DCOUNT method
Thanks Andrew
and Yes I have spelt assessment wrong. - thanks

Have a great day

Darren

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Haslett, Andrew" <andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:57 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Too Few Paramaters. Expected 1


> 1)  You should try to dim your variables with its library, especially in
> regard to databases and recordsets.
> 2)  You need to escape your variables from within your SQL string.
> 3)  If all you want is a count of records, there's no need to retrieve an
> entire recordset. Use DCOUNT function or SELECT COUNT.
> 4)  You can use ME instead of the full form name, if you are running this
> code from an event of the same form,
> 
> So to fix the intital problem:
> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
> Dim db     DAO.As Database
> Dim rs     As DAO.Recordset
> Dim strSQL As String
> Dim x      As Long
> 
> Set db = CurrentDb()
> 
> strSQL = "SELECT tblAssesmentResults.AssesmentResultID,
> tblAssesmentResults.ResultID _ 
> FROM tblAssesmentResults _
> WHERE tblAssesmentResults.ResultID = " &
> [Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID])) & ";"
> 
> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenSnapshot)
> 
>       With rs
>         'If Not .EOF Then
>             x = rs.RecordCount
>             MsgBox x
>         'End If
>         .Close
>    End With
> 
> Set rs = Nothing
> db.Close
> Set db = Nothing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> 
> A better method:
> 
> *********************************************************
> Dim x as long
> x = DCOUNT("*","tblAssesmentResults","ResultID = " & me.txtResultID)
> msgbox x
> *********************************************************
> 
> Cheers,
> Andrew
> 
> PS. You spelt Assessment wrong  ;=)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> Sent: Wednesday, 5 November 2003 2:37 PM
> To: AccessD List
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Too Few Paramaters. Expected 1
> 
> 
> Hello all
> Can anyone tell me why I am getting the dreaded Too Few Paramaters blah blah
> blah error message when
> I run the code below?? The code is almast exact of something else that is
> running quite well on the same form.
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Darren
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
> Dim db     As Database
> Dim rs     As Recordset
> Dim strSQL As String
> Dim x      As Long
> 
> Set db = CurrentDb()
> 
> strSQL = "SELECT tblAssesmentResults.AssesmentResultID,
> tblAssesmentResults.ResultID FROM tblAssesmentResults WHERE
> (((tblAssesmentResults.ResultID)=[Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID]));"
> 
> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenSnapshot)
> 
>       With rs
>         'If Not .EOF Then
>             x = rs.RecordCount
>             MsgBox x
>         'End If
>         .Close
>    End With
> 
> Set rs = Nothing
> db.Close
> Set db = Nothing
> 
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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Wed Nov  5 08:17:09 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:17:09 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Too Few Paramaters. Expected 1
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE0D7@TAPPEEXCH01>

The query engine doesn't know what [Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID]
means.  You can either do:

Dim prm As Parameter

For Each prm in rs.Parameters
    prm.Value = Eval(prm.Name)
Next prm

Or... (preferred method)
Just concatenate the control's value into the SQL string so it doesn't need
to be parsed:

strSQL = "SELECT tblAssesmentResults.AssesmentResultID,
tblAssesmentResults.ResultID FROM tblAssesmentResults WHERE
(((tblAssesmentResults.ResultID)=" & Forms!frmAssesments!txtResultID & "));"

Either way should give you the results you want.


-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 11:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Too Few Paramaters. Expected 1


Darren:

Can't see why offhand but I would put MsgBox "*" &
[Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID] & "*" right before the Set rs
statement to see if there's a valid value for the ID coming from the form.

Or put MsgBox strSQL right before the Set rs statement to see the whole
thing.  Sometimes it shows up a little syntax error that I just can't see
looking at the code.

Also do you think you might have to surround the
[Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID] with Val(), like
Val([Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID]))?

Just a guess.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren DICK" <d.dick at uws.edu.au>
To: "AccessD List" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 8:07 PM
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Too Few Paramaters. Expected 1


> Hello all
> Can anyone tell me why I am getting the dreaded Too Few Paramaters blah
blah blah error message when
> I run the code below?? The code is almast exact of something else that is
running quite well on the same form.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Darren
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
> Dim db     As Database
> Dim rs     As Recordset
> Dim strSQL As String
> Dim x      As Long
>
> Set db = CurrentDb()
>
> strSQL = "SELECT tblAssesmentResults.AssesmentResultID,
tblAssesmentResults.ResultID FROM tblAssesmentResults WHERE
> (((tblAssesmentResults.ResultID)=[Forms]![frmAssesments]![txtResultID]));"
>
> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL, dbOpenSnapshot)
>
>       With rs
>         'If Not .EOF Then
>             x = rs.RecordCount
>             MsgBox x
>         'End If
>         .Close
>    End With
>
> Set rs = Nothing
> db.Close
> Set db = Nothing
>
>
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  5 09:03:52 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:03:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
Message-ID: <BAY2-F49pLC3MniNikk0001abca@hotmail.com>

I think it will need to be somewhat of an educated guess/trial and error.  
If you can find some info on the file structure of an MDB file that would 
help....here's one such website with info on that. Unfortunately it doesn't 
indicate which version of Access it applies too.

http://www.xiph.org/positron/doc/mdb.html

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:33:29 -0800
>
>Gary:
>
>I'm looking at then and they do look different.  How do I know where the
>header ends, or how much to copy and paste?
>
>Rocky
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:21 PM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>
>
> > If you have a known good copy of it you can try to open that in a 
>editor,
> > copy and paste the beginning of that file on top of the hosed one (a 
>copy
>of
> > the hosed one actually) save the tweaked file and see if you can open it
> > then to try and copy out what you can. Sometimes the header at the
>beginning
> > of the file get's trashed. Never done it, only heard about it.  Proceed 
>at
> > your own risk.
> >
> > Gary Kjos
> > garykjos at hotmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
> > >Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:54:38 -0800
> > >
> > >Dear List:
> > >
> > >I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed (A2K).
>When
> > >you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs to be
> > >repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access try to
>repair
> > >it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.
> > >
> > >I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't do an
> > >import into a fresh database either.
> > >
> > >I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?
> > >
> > >TIA,
> > >
> > >Rocky Smolin
> > >Beach Access Software
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >AccessD mailing list
> > >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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> >
>
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Wed Nov  5 09:05:52 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:05:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
In-Reply-To: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE0D7@TAPPEEXCH01>
References: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE0D7@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <33417.12.3.132.98.1068044752.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Hi Group, I only know how to do this, when there is an object to be sent,
how to do this when there is no object ?


Function SendEmail()

DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject, _
To:="Oleg_123 at xuppa.com, _
Subject:="Database UpDates", _
MessageText:="There hasn't been any changes since last time", _
EditMessage:="No"

End Function


-----------------------------------------
Get Breaking News from CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS Now.
http://www.xuppa.com/news/?link=webmail



From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Wed Nov  5 09:15:33 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:15:33 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8FB@nnse14.nns.com>

Will Shell work in your situation?



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:06 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba


Hi Group, I only know how to do this, when there is an object to be sent,
how to do this when there is no object ?


Function SendEmail()

DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject, _
To:="Oleg_123 at xuppa.com, _
Subject:="Database UpDates", _
MessageText:="There hasn't been any changes since last time", _
EditMessage:="No"

End Function


-----------------------------------------
Get Breaking News from CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS Now.
http://www.xuppa.com/news/?link=webmail


_______________________________________________
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AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Wed Nov  5 09:23:06 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:23:06 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8FC@nnse14.nns.com>

How about this?

http://www.mvps.org/access/modules/mdl0019.htm



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] sending an email via vba


Will Shell work in your situation?



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:06 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba


Hi Group, I only know how to do this, when there is an object to be sent,
how to do this when there is no object ?


Function SendEmail()

DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject, _
To:="Oleg_123 at xuppa.com, _
Subject:="Database UpDates", _
MessageText:="There hasn't been any changes since last time", _
EditMessage:="No"

End Function


-----------------------------------------
Get Breaking News from CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS Now.
http://www.xuppa.com/news/?link=webmail


_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
_______________________________________________
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AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Wed Nov  5 09:32:58 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:32:58 +0100
Subject: AW: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059DB3@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

are you using outlook?

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von
Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. November 2003 16:06
An: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Betreff: [AccessD] sending an email via vba


Hi Group, I only know how to do this, when there is an object to be sent,
how to do this when there is no object ?


Function SendEmail()

DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject, _
To:="Oleg_123 at xuppa.com, _
Subject:="Database UpDates", _
MessageText:="There hasn't been any changes since last time", _
EditMessage:="No"

End Function


-----------------------------------------
Get Breaking News from CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS Now.
http://www.xuppa.com/news/?link=webmail


_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Wed Nov  5 09:36:01 2003
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:36:01 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A0330604A@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

Oleg, it should work just as you have it.  Since you specify acSendNoObject,
the e-mail gets sent with just the Subject and message you enter and doesn't
attach a file.

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:06 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba


Hi Group, I only know how to do this, when there is an object to be sent,
how to do this when there is no object ?


Function SendEmail()

DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject, _
To:="Oleg_123 at xuppa.com, _
Subject:="Database UpDates", _
MessageText:="There hasn't been any changes since last time", _
EditMessage:="No"

End Function


-----------------------------------------
Get Breaking News from CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS Now.
http://www.xuppa.com/news/?link=webmail


_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov  5 09:41:21 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:41:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
In-Reply-To: <33417.12.3.132.98.1068044752.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJEEJJFEAA.john@winhaven.net>

Oleg:
It would appear from your code that you are not sending an object
(acSendNoObject) which is the default for the SendObject method.

However EditMessage is boolean so IIRC it should read EditMessage:=False

HTH
John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:06 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
>
>
> Hi Group, I only know how to do this, when there is an object to be sent,
> how to do this when there is no object ?
>
>
> Function SendEmail()
>
> DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject, _
> To:="Oleg_123 at xuppa.com, _
> Subject:="Database UpDates", _
> MessageText:="There hasn't been any changes since last time", _
> EditMessage:="No"
>
> End Function
>
>
> -----------------------------------------
> Get Breaking News from CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS Now.
> http://www.xuppa.com/news/?link=webmail
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Nov  5 09:54:59 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:54:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
References: <BAY2-F49pLC3MniNikk0001abca@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <006401c3a3b5$2aaf1070$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

I think he's SOL.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at hotmail.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


> I think it will need to be somewhat of an educated guess/trial and error.
> If you can find some info on the file structure of an MDB file that would
> help....here's one such website with info on that. Unfortunately it
doesn't
> indicate which version of Access it applies too.
>
> http://www.xiph.org/positron/doc/mdb.html
>
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
> >Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:33:29 -0800
> >
> >Gary:
> >
> >I'm looking at then and they do look different.  How do I know where the
> >header ends, or how much to copy and paste?
> >
> >Rocky
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at hotmail.com>
> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:21 PM
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
> >
> >
> > > If you have a known good copy of it you can try to open that in a
> >editor,
> > > copy and paste the beginning of that file on top of the hosed one (a
> >copy
> >of
> > > the hosed one actually) save the tweaked file and see if you can open
it
> > > then to try and copy out what you can. Sometimes the header at the
> >beginning
> > > of the file get's trashed. Never done it, only heard about it.
Proceed
> >at
> > > your own risk.
> > >
> > > Gary Kjos
> > > garykjos at hotmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
> > > >Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:54:38 -0800
> > > >
> > > >Dear List:
> > > >
> > > >I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed (A2K).
> >When
> > > >you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs to
be
> > > >repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access try to
> >repair
> > > >it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.
> > > >
> > > >I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't do
an
> > > >import into a fresh database either.
> > > >
> > > >I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?
> > > >
> > > >TIA,
> > > >
> > > >Rocky Smolin
> > > >Beach Access Software
> > > >_______________________________________________
> > > >AccessD mailing list
> > > >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________________________
> > > Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95.
> > > https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.)
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
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>
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From weeden1949 at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  5 10:05:58 2003
From: weeden1949 at hotmail.com (Greg Smith)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:05:58 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
References: <020b01c3a31e$3e94a060$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <BAY8-DAV20aCry2mFe200012cc5@hotmail.com>

Rocky:

What kind of error do you get when you try to 'repair' the db?  The
following MS article told me the unfortunate news when I was getting this
type of error on a customer's db.  They had to restore from a backup copy I
had (their tape backup wasn't working...go figure) and reenter all the data
since I'd made my copy.

Look at:  KB158933 ACC: Error Message: <Database Name> Isn't an Index in
This Table

If you're getting THAT one, you're hosed.

Greg Smith
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:54 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


Dear List:

I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed (A2K).  When
you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs to be
repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access try to repair
it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.

I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't do an
import into a fresh database either.

I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?

TIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Nov  5 10:13:44 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:13:44 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
References: <020b01c3a31e$3e94a060$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<BAY8-DAV20aCry2mFe200012cc5@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <009201c3a3b7$c907f370$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

I don't get an error message.  It just ponders for about a minute then
Access terminates with no error message and I get to send a message to
Microsoft if I want to (like dropping rocks into a deep pool).

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Smith" <weeden1949 at hotmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


> Rocky:
>
> What kind of error do you get when you try to 'repair' the db?  The
> following MS article told me the unfortunate news when I was getting this
> type of error on a customer's db.  They had to restore from a backup copy
I
> had (their tape backup wasn't working...go figure) and reenter all the
data
> since I'd made my copy.
>
> Look at:  KB158933 ACC: Error Message: <Database Name> Isn't an Index in
> This Table
>
> If you're getting THAT one, you're hosed.
>
> Greg Smith
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:54 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed (A2K).  When
> you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs to be
> repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access try to
repair
> it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.
>
> I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't do an
> import into a fresh database either.
>
> I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?
>
> TIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Nov  5 10:16:39 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:16:39 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C844@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

What does it mean by not sending object? I am confused, what is the email
sending?

DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject,

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] sending an email via vba


Oleg:
It would appear from your code that you are not sending an object
(acSendNoObject) which is the default for the SendObject method.

However EditMessage is boolean so IIRC it should read EditMessage:=False

HTH
John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:06 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
>
>
> Hi Group, I only know how to do this, when there is an object to be sent,
> how to do this when there is no object ?
>
>
> Function SendEmail()
>
> DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject, _
> To:="Oleg_123 at xuppa.com, _
> Subject:="Database UpDates", _
> MessageText:="There hasn't been any changes since last time", _
> EditMessage:="No"
>
> End Function
>
>
> -----------------------------------------
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> http://www.xuppa.com/news/?link=webmail
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov  5 10:22:40 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:22:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] data not entered error not triggering
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312411@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

What error are you expecting?  Is the FK a required field?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 9:37 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] data not entered error not triggering


I have a wierd thing occurring.  I have a form where the user enters
data. If they don't select a combo (put a FK in a field) and try to
close the form by clicking the x in the upper right corner, an error is
triggered.  If they click my close button, the form closes but the JET
data error never triggers.

My close button just does a docmd.close.

has anyone ever seen this?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  5 10:23:27 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:23:27 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
Message-ID: <BAY2-F35JZjS8h1kkUX0001b110@hotmail.com>

Yep, probably. There are outside service companies that might be able to 
help....

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:54:59 -0800
>
>I think he's SOL.
>
>Rocky
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:03 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>
>
> > I think it will need to be somewhat of an educated guess/trial and 
>error.
> > If you can find some info on the file structure of an MDB file that 
>would
> > help....here's one such website with info on that. Unfortunately it
>doesn't
> > indicate which version of Access it applies too.
> >
> > http://www.xiph.org/positron/doc/mdb.html
> >
> > Gary Kjos
> > garykjos at hotmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
> > >Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:33:29 -0800
> > >
> > >Gary:
> > >
> > >I'm looking at then and they do look different.  How do I know where 
>the
> > >header ends, or how much to copy and paste?
> > >
> > >Rocky
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at hotmail.com>
> > >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:21 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
> > >
> > >
> > > > If you have a known good copy of it you can try to open that in a
> > >editor,
> > > > copy and paste the beginning of that file on top of the hosed one (a
> > >copy
> > >of
> > > > the hosed one actually) save the tweaked file and see if you can 
>open
>it
> > > > then to try and copy out what you can. Sometimes the header at the
> > >beginning
> > > > of the file get's trashed. Never done it, only heard about it.
>Proceed
> > >at
> > > > your own risk.
> > > >
> > > > Gary Kjos
> > > > garykjos at hotmail.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > > > >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > >To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > >Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
> > > > >Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:54:38 -0800
> > > > >
> > > > >Dear List:
> > > > >
> > > > >I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed 
>(A2K).
> > >When
> > > > >you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs to
>be
> > > > >repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access try 
>to
> > >repair
> > > > >it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.
> > > > >
> > > > >I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't 
>do
>an
> > > > >import into a fresh database either.
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?
> > > > >
> > > > >TIA,
> > > > >
> > > > >Rocky Smolin
> > > > >Beach Access Software
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> > > >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov  5 10:25:32 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:25:32 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312412@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Is it possible one of your users opened the database in Word?  That will
certainly cause the situation you've described, and in that case the
database is well and truly hosed beyond recovery.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


I don't get an error message.  It just ponders for about a minute then
Access terminates with no error message and I get to send a message to
Microsoft if I want to (like dropping rocks into a deep pool).

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Smith" <weeden1949 at hotmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


> Rocky:
>
> What kind of error do you get when you try to 'repair' the db?  The 
> following MS article told me the unfortunate news when I was getting 
> this type of error on a customer's db.  They had to restore from a 
> backup copy
I
> had (their tape backup wasn't working...go figure) and reenter all the
data
> since I'd made my copy.
>
> Look at:  KB158933 ACC: Error Message: <Database Name> Isn't an Index 
> in This Table
>
> If you're getting THAT one, you're hosed.
>
> Greg Smith
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:54 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed (A2K).  
> When you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs 
> to be repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access 
> try to
repair
> it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.
>
> I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't do 
> an import into a fresh database either.
>
> I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?
>
> TIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software _______________________________________________
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Nov  5 10:31:19 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:31:19 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312412@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000701c3a3ba$3e2fa420$9111758f@aine>

Cant remember the web address but think the guys name is Peter Millar. He
repairs DBs. I have one a client opened in Word before. Never worked again.

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:25 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


> Is it possible one of your users opened the database in Word?  That will
> certainly cause the situation you've described, and in that case the
> database is well and truly hosed beyond recovery.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>
>
> I don't get an error message.  It just ponders for about a minute then
> Access terminates with no error message and I get to send a message to
> Microsoft if I want to (like dropping rocks into a deep pool).
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Greg Smith" <weeden1949 at hotmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>
>
> > Rocky:
> >
> > What kind of error do you get when you try to 'repair' the db?  The
> > following MS article told me the unfortunate news when I was getting
> > this type of error on a customer's db.  They had to restore from a
> > backup copy
> I
> > had (their tape backup wasn't working...go figure) and reenter all the
> data
> > since I'd made my copy.
> >
> > Look at:  KB158933 ACC: Error Message: <Database Name> Isn't an Index
> > in This Table
> >
> > If you're getting THAT one, you're hosed.
> >
> > Greg Smith
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:54 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed (A2K).
> > When you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs
> > to be repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access
> > try to
> repair
> > it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.
> >
> > I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't do
> > an import into a fresh database either.
> >
> > I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov  5 10:31:23 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:31:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] normalization
Message-ID: <003a01c3a3ba$46dfea30$230110ac@SUSANONE>


>
http://searchdatabase.techtarget.com/featuredTopic/0,290042,sid13_gci879196,
> 00.html?track=NL-94
>
> ====I haven't had a chance to review everything, but thought I'd share
this
> because of the links at the bottom -- looks like a really good
concentation
> of articles. Most of you won't need this, but it should prove helpful to
> anyone struggling with the concept.
>
> Susan H.



From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov  5 10:37:43 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:37:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C844@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIKEMLEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Virginia;
Object would be a form, module, query, report, or table. Basically it would
attach the chosen object to the email. If you state acSendNoObject there
wouldn't be an attachment (hence, I suppose, why this is the default
option.)

HTH
John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:17 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
>
>
> What does it mean by not sending object? I am confused, what is the email
> sending?
>
> DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject,
>
> Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
>
>
> Oleg:
> It would appear from your code that you are not sending an object
> (acSendNoObject) which is the default for the SendObject method.
>
> However EditMessage is boolean so IIRC it should read EditMessage:=False
>
> HTH
> John B.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:06 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
> >
> >
> > Hi Group, I only know how to do this, when there is an object
> to be sent,
> > how to do this when there is no object ?
> >
> >
> > Function SendEmail()
> >
> > DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject, _
> > To:="Oleg_123 at xuppa.com, _
> > Subject:="Database UpDates", _
> > MessageText:="There hasn't been any changes since last time", _
> > EditMessage:="No"
> >
> > End Function
> >
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> > Get Breaking News from CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS Now.
> > http://www.xuppa.com/news/?link=webmail
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Nov  5 11:21:12 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:21:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312412@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00ac01c3a3c1$35dd3150$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Don't know.  I think it's more likely a network problem or, as the error
message says, an abnormal termination leaving the db open.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


> Is it possible one of your users opened the database in Word?  That will
> certainly cause the situation you've described, and in that case the
> database is well and truly hosed beyond recovery.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>
>
> I don't get an error message.  It just ponders for about a minute then
> Access terminates with no error message and I get to send a message to
> Microsoft if I want to (like dropping rocks into a deep pool).
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Greg Smith" <weeden1949 at hotmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>
>
> > Rocky:
> >
> > What kind of error do you get when you try to 'repair' the db?  The
> > following MS article told me the unfortunate news when I was getting
> > this type of error on a customer's db.  They had to restore from a
> > backup copy
> I
> > had (their tape backup wasn't working...go figure) and reenter all the
> data
> > since I'd made my copy.
> >
> > Look at:  KB158933 ACC: Error Message: <Database Name> Isn't an Index
> > in This Table
> >
> > If you're getting THAT one, you're hosed.
> >
> > Greg Smith
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:54 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed (A2K).
> > When you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs
> > to be repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access
> > try to
> repair
> > it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.
> >
> > I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't do
> > an import into a fresh database either.
> >
> > I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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>


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov  5 11:37:05 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:37:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
In-Reply-To: <00ac01c3a3c1$35dd3150$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
References:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312412@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
 <00ac01c3a3c1$35dd3150$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <10734874657.20031105183705@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

> Don't know.  I think it's more likely a network problem or, as the error
> message says, an abnormal termination leaving the db open.

An abnormal termination usually leaves the file repairable with little
or no data loss.

/gustav

PS: Why did you mark this subject OT?


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Nov  5 11:51:24 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:51:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
References: 	<E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312412@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
	<00ac01c3a3c1$35dd3150$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<10734874657.20031105183705@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00e201c3a3c5$6e2bb9b0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Then it must have been something else.  This db is well and truly hosed.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


> Hi Rocky
>
> > Don't know.  I think it's more likely a network problem or, as the error
> > message says, an abnormal termination leaving the db open.
>
> An abnormal termination usually leaves the file repairable with little
> or no data loss.
>
> /gustav
>
> PS: Why did you mark this subject OT?
>
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From JOHNWARDBELL at aol.com  Wed Nov  5 12:47:22 2003
From: JOHNWARDBELL at aol.com (JOHNWARDBELL at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:47:22 EST
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
Message-ID: <a1.4025be8b.2cda9fba@aol.com>

Rocky

Is your db using ODBC? if so there a repair facility in ODBC under User DSN 
in ODBC Access Setup. Have your looked in there?

WardB 

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Nov  5 13:07:25 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:07:25 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
References: <a1.4025be8b.2cda9fba@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00ee01c3a3d0$0cb10a40$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

John:

Can't get that far.  Wont open up at all. :(

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <JOHNWARDBELL at aol.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


> Rocky
>
> Is your db using ODBC? if so there a repair facility in ODBC under User
DSN
> in ODBC Access Setup. Have your looked in there?
>
> WardB
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From my.lists at verizon.net  Wed Nov  5 13:24:16 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:24:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8FC@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB8FC@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <3FA94E60.1000709@verizon.net>

I like the MAPI solutions, but unfortunately I've run into systems that 
looked like they were set up correctly but would not function, in 
contrast BLAT hasn't let me down just yet.

-- 
-Francisco



Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) wrote:

>How about this?
>
>http://www.mvps.org/access/modules/mdl0019.htm
>
>
>
>Mark
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com] 
>Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:16 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
>
>
>Will Shell work in your situation?
>
>
>
>Mark
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
>Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:06 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
>
>
>Hi Group, I only know how to do this, when there is an object to be sent,
>how to do this when there is no object ?
>
>
>Function SendEmail()
>
>DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject, _
>To:="Oleg_123 at xuppa.com, _
>Subject:="Database UpDates", _
>MessageText:="There hasn't been any changes since last time", _
>EditMessage:="No"
>
>End Function
>
>
>-----------------------------------------
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>http://www.xuppa.com/news/?link=webmail
>
>
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>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>  
>



From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Nov  5 14:28:55 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 14:28:55 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C84F@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

How do you open a Word Document from a form?
 
I have an instruction guide in Word that I would like to access from a form
& have the Word document open Read Only. I tried a hyperlink, but could not
find the properties to open the document read-only. I know I could set the
document properties to read-only, but looking for a different way to open
and set the properties.
 
Virginia

From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Wed Nov  5 14:37:59 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:37:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJEEJJFEAA.john@winhaven.net>
References: <33417.12.3.132.98.1068044752.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
        <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJEEJJFEAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <37433.12.3.132.98.1068064679.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

thank you, now it works. (I was trying "no" and "false" in quotations)

> Oleg:
> It would appear from your code that you are not sending an object
> (acSendNoObject) which is the default for the SendObject method.
>
> However EditMessage is boolean so IIRC it should read EditMessage:=False
>
> HTH
> John B.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
>> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:06 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] sending an email via vba
>>
>>
>> Hi Group, I only know how to do this, when there is an object to be
>> sent, how to do this when there is no object ?
>>
>>
>> Function SendEmail()
>>
>> DoCmd.SendObject acSendNoObject, _
>> To:="Oleg_123 at xuppa.com, _
>> Subject:="Database UpDates", _
>> MessageText:="There hasn't been any changes since last time", _
>> EditMessage:="No"
>>
>> End Function
>>
>>
>> -----------------------------------------
>> Get Breaking News from CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS Now.
>> http://www.xuppa.com/news/?link=webmail
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>
>
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Wed Nov  5 14:40:48 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:40:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C84F@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C84F@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <38712.12.3.132.98.1068064848.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Did you set a reference to Word Object Library ?

> How do you open a Word Document from a form?
>
> I have an instruction guide in Word that I would like to access from a
> form & have the Word document open Read Only. I tried a hyperlink, but
> could not find the properties to open the document read-only. I know I
> could set the document properties to read-only, but looking for a
> different way to open and set the properties.
>
> Virginia
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Wed Nov  5 14:45:08 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:45:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
Message-ID: <sfa91b18.059@cbc.ca>

Here is some Quick & Dirty code:

dim objWord as Object

set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
objWord.visible = true

objWord.Documents.Open "C:\FullPath\to\DocToOpen.doc",,True

set objWord = Nothing

No references to the Word TypeLibrary are needed.

THe True in this line:
objWord.Documents.Open "C:\FullPath\to\DocToOpen.doc",,True

Tells Word to open the document as read only.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com 05-Nov-03 3:28:55 PM >>>
How do you open a Word Document from a form?
 
I have an instruction guide in Word that I would like to access from a
form
& have the Word document open Read Only. I tried a hyperlink, but could
not
find the properties to open the document read-only. I know I could set
the
document properties to read-only, but looking for a different way to
open
and set the properties.
 
Virginia

From mmmtbig at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov  5 15:00:40 2003
From: mmmtbig at bellsouth.net (Myke Myers)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:00:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!
Message-ID: <00b401c3a3df$e1826700$d401a8c0@tbig1>

One of my clients is corrupting an Access 2000 backend database about
once a month.
 
When I get the data file, I find several tables have lost their primary
key.
 
The primary key for each table is an autonumber long increment.
 
Anyone have any suggestions?
 
Myke
The Better Information Group
 
 

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov  5 15:07:41 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:07:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312414@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Explain what you mean by "lost their primary key".  Do you mean there is
no longer an identified primary key or the primary key field is null or
what?  What are you seeing instead of what you expected?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Myke Myers [mailto:mmmtbig at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!


One of my clients is corrupting an Access 2000 backend database about
once a month.
 
When I get the data file, I find several tables have lost their primary
key.
 
The primary key for each table is an autonumber long increment.
 
Anyone have any suggestions?
 
Myke
The Better Information Group
 
 
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Nov  5 15:09:24 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:09:24 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C850@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Perfect, thanks.

When you open a document in Word is there anyway to prevent it from asking
if you want to save changes? Why does it show the Save message when no
changes have been made - only opened the document? I have noticed Excel does
the same thing, always wanting to save changes.

Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:45 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open Word Document


Here is some Quick & Dirty code:

dim objWord as Object

set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
objWord.visible = true

objWord.Documents.Open "C:\FullPath\to\DocToOpen.doc",,True

set objWord = Nothing

No references to the Word TypeLibrary are needed.

THe True in this line:
objWord.Documents.Open "C:\FullPath\to\DocToOpen.doc",,True

Tells Word to open the document as read only.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com 05-Nov-03 3:28:55 PM >>>
How do you open a Word Document from a form?
 
I have an instruction guide in Word that I would like to access from a
form
& have the Word document open Read Only. I tried a hyperlink, but could
not
find the properties to open the document read-only. I know I could set
the
document properties to read-only, but looking for a different way to
open
and set the properties.
 
Virginia
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From mmmtbig at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov  5 15:27:40 2003
From: mmmtbig at bellsouth.net (Myke Myers)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:27:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312414@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00be01c3a3e3$a7540170$d401a8c0@tbig1>

The field no longer is designated as a primary key. (In design view the
key icon beside the field name is gone.)

Myke
 
The Better Information Group
770 928-7276
mailto: mmm at tbig.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!


Explain what you mean by "lost their primary key".  Do you mean there is
no longer an identified primary key or the primary key field is null or
what?  What are you seeing instead of what you expected?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Myke Myers [mailto:mmmtbig at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!


One of my clients is corrupting an Access 2000 backend database about
once a month.
 
When I get the data file, I find several tables have lost their primary
key.
 
The primary key for each table is an autonumber long increment.
 
Anyone have any suggestions?
 
Myke
The Better Information Group
 
 
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov  5 15:48:29 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:48:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312415@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Are your users allowed access to the tables themselves?  The only time
I've seen anything like that was as part of the weirdness that goes with
the vbe6.dll problem when a 2002 app is installed on the machine running
O2k and O2k is less than SR-3.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Myke Myers [mailto:mmmtbig at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:28 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!


The field no longer is designated as a primary key. (In design view the
key icon beside the field name is gone.)

Myke
 
The Better Information Group
770 928-7276
mailto: mmm at tbig.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!


Explain what you mean by "lost their primary key".  Do you mean there is
no longer an identified primary key or the primary key field is null or
what?  What are you seeing instead of what you expected?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Myke Myers [mailto:mmmtbig at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!


One of my clients is corrupting an Access 2000 backend database about
once a month.
 
When I get the data file, I find several tables have lost their primary
key.
 
The primary key for each table is an autonumber long increment.
 
Anyone have any suggestions?
 
Myke
The Better Information Group
 
 
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
_______________________________________________
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AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


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From mmmtbig at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov  5 16:05:41 2003
From: mmmtbig at bellsouth.net (Myke Myers)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:05:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312415@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00e401c3a3e8$f69f21b0$d401a8c0@tbig1>

Charlotte

No, users can't get to anything but forms and reports. But there are
some guys in the IT dept who may have enough knowledge to be dangerous. 

I'll look into the vbe6.dll / Access 2002 issue. 

Thanks,

Myke
 
The Better Information Group


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!


Are your users allowed access to the tables themselves?  The only time
I've seen anything like that was as part of the weirdness that goes with
the vbe6.dll problem when a 2002 app is installed on the machine running
O2k and O2k is less than SR-3.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Myke Myers [mailto:mmmtbig at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:28 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!


The field no longer is designated as a primary key. (In design view the
key icon beside the field name is gone.)

Myke
 
The Better Information Group
770 928-7276
mailto: mmm at tbig.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!


Explain what you mean by "lost their primary key".  Do you mean there is
no longer an identified primary key or the primary key field is null or
what?  What are you seeing instead of what you expected?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Myke Myers [mailto:mmmtbig at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Keys GONE!


One of my clients is corrupting an Access 2000 backend database about
once a month.
 
When I get the data file, I find several tables have lost their primary
key.
 
The primary key for each table is an autonumber long increment.
 
Anyone have any suggestions?
 
Myke
The Better Information Group
 
 
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


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From chizotz at charter.net  Wed Nov  5 16:07:34 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:07:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C850@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <web-9284835@rems03.cluster1.charter.net>

Virginia,

It is wanting to save because the last opened date has 
changed, so it sees the document as having been changed. 
Annoying, huh?

I just save the document (I done this with Excel, never 
had to do it in Word so far) and let it update that date, 
making the process invisible to the user. Unless there's a 
reason not to do this, you can just bypass the issue that 
way.

Ron


On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:09:24 -0600
  "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com> wrote:
>Perfect, thanks.
>
>When you open a document in Word is there anyway to 
>prevent it from asking
>if you want to save changes? Why does it show the Save 
>message when no
>changes have been made - only opened the document? I have 
>noticed Excel does
>the same thing, always wanting to save changes.
>
>Va.

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Nov  5 16:17:34 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:17:34 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C850@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c3a3ea$9d3755f0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Hi Virginia

With the Word libray referencec it's

objWord.Close wdDoNotSaveChanges

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: 05 November 2003 21:09
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> 
> 
> Perfect, thanks.
> 
> When you open a document in Word is there anyway to prevent 
> it from asking if you want to save changes? Why does it show 
> the Save message when no changes have been made - only opened 
> the document? I have noticed Excel does the same thing, 
> always wanting to save changes.
> 
> Va.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:45 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> 
> 
> Here is some Quick & Dirty code:
> 
> dim objWord as Object
> 
> set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
> objWord.visible = true
> 
> objWord.Documents.Open "C:\FullPath\to\DocToOpen.doc",,True
> 
> set objWord = Nothing
> 
> No references to the Word TypeLibrary are needed.
> 
> THe True in this line:
> objWord.Documents.Open "C:\FullPath\to\DocToOpen.doc",,True
> 
> Tells Word to open the document as read only.
> 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca
> 
> >>> HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com 05-Nov-03 3:28:55 PM >>>
> How do you open a Word Document from a form?
>  
> I have an instruction guide in Word that I would like to 
> access from a form & have the Word document open Read Only. I 
> tried a hyperlink, but could not find the properties to open 
> the document read-only. I know I could set the document 
> properties to read-only, but looking for a different way to 
> open and set the properties.
>  
> Virginia
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Nov  5 17:19:00 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 18:19:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C850@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <3FA93F14.4103.C3FD6@localhost>

On 5 Nov 2003 at 15:09, Hollis,Virginia wrote:

> Perfect, thanks.

You're welcome.

> When you open a document in Word is there anyway to prevent it from
> asking if you want to save changes? Why does it show the Save message
> when no changes have been made - only opened the document? I have

Does the doc have any fields in it? Like a date field, a page number 
field...?

If so, chances are that the fields are updated when you open the doc, 
which is a change, even if the fields aren't changed. I know it's 
bizare. And that is triggering the save prompt.

> noticed Excel does the same thing, always wanting to save changes.

Probably the same reason.

If you are closing the doc using code, then use what Andy posted. If 
the user is just closing Word, or the doc manually, then no. Or at 
least, not without getting rid of the fields.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Only the mediocre are at their best all the time.



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Nov  5 17:20:43 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 18:20:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
In-Reply-To: <003c01c3a3ea$9d3755f0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C850@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <3FA93F7B.13970.DD330@localhost>

On 5 Nov 2003 at 22:17, Andy Lacey wrote:

> Hi Virginia
> 
> With the Word libray referencec it's
> 
> objWord.Close wdDoNotSaveChanges

Otherwise it's:

objWord.Close 0

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
A feature is a bug with seniority.



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Nov  5 17:20:43 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 18:20:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
In-Reply-To: <web-9284835@rems03.cluster1.charter.net>
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C850@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <3FA93F7B.11709.DD39E@localhost>

On 5 Nov 2003 at 17:07, Ron  Allen wrote:

> It is wanting to save because the last opened date has 
> changed, so it sees the document as having been changed. 
> Annoying, huh?

Nope. I don't think that this is the reason. I open and close Word 
docs all day long and only have the Save prompt show up when I 
actually change the doc or there are fields in the doc that get 
updated, and I have Word set to update all fields when it opens and 
prints.

Docs without fields don't have the prompt for me.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to 
build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe 
producing bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. -
 Mark Mischler.



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Nov  5 17:21:51 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 18:21:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
In-Reply-To: <3FA93F14.4103.C3FD6@localhost>
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C850@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <3FA93FBF.29252.EDBC0@localhost>

On 5 Nov 2003 at 18:19, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> > When you open a document in Word is there anyway to prevent it from
> > asking if you want to save changes? Why does it show the Save
> > message when no changes have been made - only opened the document? I
> > have
> 
> Does the doc have any fields in it? Like a date field, a page number
> field...?

It just occurred to me, are there any linked images in the doc? They 
are fields as well.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
The man who claims to be the boss in his own home will lie about 
other things as well.



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Nov  5 19:05:08 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:05:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
In-Reply-To: <00ac01c3a3c1$35dd3150$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEHKCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Rocky:

Now that you have mentioned a possible network connection I have ran across
a couple of similar incidents over a few years. The problems were always,
with 'bound' FEs, spawned by a flaky network card, in one situation and a
enthusiastic network tech who had the server auto-reboot over-night with no
open-file checking, in another. I just kept trying to open the DBs and
finally both did and then I immediately saved everything to a new/clean db.
Save all in one case and only lost two weeks of data in the other. I have
never used a bound application, with over five users since. That is a good
rule of thumb but some developers state the cut-off can be as high as ten
users.

I know of a programmer who has had limited success hacking out lost data and
code with an assembler but I imagine the cost would be prohibitive unless
there is absolutely no backup.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


Don't know.  I think it's more likely a network problem or, as the error
message says, an abnormal termination leaving the db open.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


> Is it possible one of your users opened the database in Word?  That will
> certainly cause the situation you've described, and in that case the
> database is well and truly hosed beyond recovery.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>
>
> I don't get an error message.  It just ponders for about a minute then
> Access terminates with no error message and I get to send a message to
> Microsoft if I want to (like dropping rocks into a deep pool).
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Smith" <weeden1949 at hotmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>
>
> > Rocky:
> >
> > What kind of error do you get when you try to 'repair' the db?  The
> > following MS article told me the unfortunate news when I was getting
> > this type of error on a customer's db.  They had to restore from a
> > backup copy
> I
> > had (their tape backup wasn't working...go figure) and reenter all the
> data
> > since I'd made my copy.
> >
> > Look at:  KB158933 ACC: Error Message: <Database Name> Isn't an Index
> > in This Table
> >
> > If you're getting THAT one, you're hosed.
> >
> > Greg Smith
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:54 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed (A2K).
> > When you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs
> > to be repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access
> > try to
> repair
> > it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.
> >
> > I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't do
> > an import into a fresh database either.
> >
> > I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov  5 19:26:41 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:26:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEHKCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEHIFJAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Jim,

I have a client with ~30 users in the database (bound forms) from 8-5 daily
and have not had a single corruption in coming up on a year now.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


Hi Rocky:

Now that you have mentioned a possible network connection I have ran across
a couple of similar incidents over a few years. The problems were always,
with 'bound' FEs, spawned by a flaky network card, in one situation and a
enthusiastic network tech who had the server auto-reboot over-night with no
open-file checking, in another. I just kept trying to open the DBs and
finally both did and then I immediately saved everything to a new/clean db.
Save all in one case and only lost two weeks of data in the other. I have
never used a bound application, with over five users since. That is a good
rule of thumb but some developers state the cut-off can be as high as ten
users.

I know of a programmer who has had limited success hacking out lost data and
code with an assembler but I imagine the cost would be prohibitive unless
there is absolutely no backup.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


Don't know.  I think it's more likely a network problem or, as the error
message says, an abnormal termination leaving the db open.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


> Is it possible one of your users opened the database in Word?  That will
> certainly cause the situation you've described, and in that case the
> database is well and truly hosed beyond recovery.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:14 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>
>
> I don't get an error message.  It just ponders for about a minute then
> Access terminates with no error message and I get to send a message to
> Microsoft if I want to (like dropping rocks into a deep pool).
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Smith" <weeden1949 at hotmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>
>
> > Rocky:
> >
> > What kind of error do you get when you try to 'repair' the db?  The
> > following MS article told me the unfortunate news when I was getting
> > this type of error on a customer's db.  They had to restore from a
> > backup copy
> I
> > had (their tape backup wasn't working...go figure) and reenter all the
> data
> > since I'd made my copy.
> >
> > Look at:  KB158933 ACC: Error Message: <Database Name> Isn't an Index
> > in This Table
> >
> > If you're getting THAT one, you're hosed.
> >
> > Greg Smith
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:54 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I have a database from a client which seems pretty well hosed (A2K).
> > When you start it you get the message "Database (database name) needs
> > to be repaired or isn;t a database".  I say go ahead and let Access
> > try to
> repair
> > it but it ends in an abnormal termination of access.
> >
> > I've tried decompile, jetcomp.exe, and jetutils.  No dice.  Can't do
> > an import into a fresh database either.
> >
> > I'm out of tricks.  Are there any other approaches?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov  5 19:54:28 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 11:54:28 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEHIFJAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEHKCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <3FAA3674.31878.59939EC@localhost>

On 5 Nov 2003 at 20:26, John Colby wrote:

> Jim,
> 
> I have a client with ~30 users in the database (bound forms) from 8-5 daily
> and have not had a single corruption in coming up on a year now.
> 

Me too!   (For a couple of years now)
<VBG>

Apart from that one, I have several others which regularly have ~10 users 
in them all day with no sign of corruption yet.








-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From access at tlcbc.com.au  Wed Nov  5 20:02:58 2003
From: access at tlcbc.com.au (access at tlcbc.com.au)
Date: Thu,  6 Nov 2003 15:02:58 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
Message-ID: <1068084178.3fa9abd2322e1@210.55.105.82>


Hi!

I have just found this list so apologies if this question has been asked before 
(couldn't see it in the archives).

We have a database that is stored on a shared network drive with the data 
itself in an SQL Server backend.  For security reasons the majority of users 
have read-only access to the network drive where the database is stored.  With 
Access 97 this worked fine but the database has recently been upgraded to 
Access 2000 and now the users receive a message when they open the database 
stating that it is read-only so they won't be able to save their changes (which 
is incorrect as, of course, the updates are done on the SQL server which they 
do have write access to).  Not a major problem but very annoying and confusing 
for the users.

Does anyone know how to disable this error message under Access 2000?

Thanks,
Terry Bradford
(Canberra, Australia)



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov  5 20:14:59 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:14:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631241A@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Design changes (like the paper size of a report) are handled in Access,
not in SQL Server.  Access 2000 and later do NOT allow users to make
design changes to objects unless they have exclusive access to the
database.  Since your database is being shared,  that would only be
possible if a single user was in the database.  Also, read-only access
to that folder won't work because the users need to be able to create
and/or write to the ldb file for the shared front end and to delete it
when the last person exits.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: access at tlcbc.com.au [mailto:access at tlcbc.com.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database



Hi!

I have just found this list so apologies if this question has been asked
before 
(couldn't see it in the archives).

We have a database that is stored on a shared network drive with the
data 
itself in an SQL Server backend.  For security reasons the majority of
users 
have read-only access to the network drive where the database is stored.
With 
Access 97 this worked fine but the database has recently been upgraded
to 
Access 2000 and now the users receive a message when they open the
database 
stating that it is read-only so they won't be able to save their changes
(which 
is incorrect as, of course, the updates are done on the SQL server which
they 
do have write access to).  Not a major problem but very annoying and
confusing 
for the users.

Does anyone know how to disable this error message under Access 2000?

Thanks,
Terry Bradford
(Canberra, Australia)


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov  5 20:20:52 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:20:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631241A@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEHMFJAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Although according to Gustav I think it was, running it under "run time"
will prevent the error from showing.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database


Design changes (like the paper size of a report) are handled in Access,
not in SQL Server.  Access 2000 and later do NOT allow users to make
design changes to objects unless they have exclusive access to the
database.  Since your database is being shared,  that would only be
possible if a single user was in the database.  Also, read-only access
to that folder won't work because the users need to be able to create
and/or write to the ldb file for the shared front end and to delete it
when the last person exits.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: access at tlcbc.com.au [mailto:access at tlcbc.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database



Hi!

I have just found this list so apologies if this question has been asked
before
(couldn't see it in the archives).

We have a database that is stored on a shared network drive with the
data
itself in an SQL Server backend.  For security reasons the majority of
users
have read-only access to the network drive where the database is stored.
With
Access 97 this worked fine but the database has recently been upgraded
to
Access 2000 and now the users receive a message when they open the
database
stating that it is read-only so they won't be able to save their changes
(which
is incorrect as, of course, the updates are done on the SQL server which
they
do have write access to).  Not a major problem but very annoying and
confusing
for the users.

Does anyone know how to disable this error message under Access 2000?

Thanks,
Terry Bradford
(Canberra, Australia)


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Nov  5 21:32:13 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 19:32:13 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
In-Reply-To: <3FAA3674.31878.59939EC@localhost>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKEHLCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi John and Stuart:

Not trying to re-kindle the bound/unbound debate but as most of my contracts
are with the local provincial government and they have a specific rule. All
databases with greater than ten users must be build on SQL technology. That
technology extends to Oracle and sometime MS SQL and unbound forms.
Therefore, I have little opportunity experiment with Access environments
with a large user base. The closest I came to a significant bound Access
database was a private client with just under twenty users but they moved
their server to Linux and subsequently a MySQL BE.

Maybe all these concerns with larger Access bound form applications, are
part of a local urban legend, or Database companies and DBAs who wish to
promote the myth to their own end but I for one have not had great memories
with a couple of applications. Once burned...twice shy.

My two cents worth
Jim

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McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 5:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


On 5 Nov 2003 at 20:26, John Colby wrote:

> Jim,
>
> I have a client with ~30 users in the database (bound forms) from 8-5
daily
> and have not had a single corruption in coming up on a year now.
>

Me too!   (For a couple of years now)
<VBG>

Apart from that one, I have several others which regularly have ~10 users
in them all day with no sign of corruption yet.








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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Nov  5 23:00:10 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:00:10 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Testing for NULLS in a Query
Message-ID: <00f101c3a422$dba47f60$3c619a89@DDICK>

Hello all
I have a Table that holds a swag of various ID's called tblResults
Many fields but of interest here is...
StudentID, AwardID, CourseID, SubjectID, AssessmentID all Numbers (Long Int)

I perform an append query if the one of the ID's is missing 
(using IS NULL in the criteria as per the find Unmatched Query Wizard)

So I have a student (StudentID = 2 ) who does as assessment (AssessmentID = 55)

Quite simply if there is no occurence of the Assessment ID 55 (ie Is null in the Criteria of the Append Query)
Excellent then the Append query sparks up and all is well.

Small snag though. Many students may sit assessment no 55.  So there may be no occurence of AssessmentID 55
for student no 2 but there may be an occurence of it for say...Student Number 1 or others

As a result the Is Null Criteria is false and doesn't spark the append query Because there IS an assessment 55 in the 
Results Table only it belongs to Student no 1 not student no 2

How do I test for Null in 2 fields in order to spark up the append query.
IE there may be an AssesmentID of 55 in the table but for Student ID 1 
So...
How do I test for Is Null Assessment ID 55 AND isNull student ID2
I have discovered it is not as simple as putting Is Null in the Critera for Assessment ID and Is Null for Criteria For Student ID
I have also tried  IsNull([tblResults]![AssesmentID]) And IsNull([tblResults]![StudentID]) no joy

Many thanks in advance


Darren





From rgilimited at btconnect.com  Thu Nov  6 02:52:29 2003
From: rgilimited at btconnect.com (Robin Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:52:29 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Testing for NULLS in a Query
In-Reply-To: <00f101c3a422$dba47f60$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <000001c3a443$4fe0ea10$5373a8c0@local>

Darren,
Have you tried
IsNull([tblResults]![AssesmentID]) OR IsNull([tblResults]![StudentID]) 

Or move the second criteria to the second row of the query grid

Rgds
Robin Lawrence

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Sent: 06 November 2003 05:00
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Testing for NULLS in a Query


Hello all
I have a Table that holds a swag of various ID's called tblResults
Many fields but of interest here is...
StudentID, AwardID, CourseID, SubjectID, AssessmentID all Numbers (Long
Int)

I perform an append query if the one of the ID's is missing 
(using IS NULL in the criteria as per the find Unmatched Query Wizard)

So I have a student (StudentID = 2 ) who does as assessment
(AssessmentID = 55)

Quite simply if there is no occurence of the Assessment ID 55 (ie Is
null in the Criteria of the Append Query)
Excellent then the Append query sparks up and all is well.

Small snag though. Many students may sit assessment no 55.  So there may
be no occurence of AssessmentID 55
for student no 2 but there may be an occurence of it for say...Student
Number 1 or others

As a result the Is Null Criteria is false and doesn't spark the append
query Because there IS an assessment 55 in the 
Results Table only it belongs to Student no 1 not student no 2

How do I test for Null in 2 fields in order to spark up the append
query.
IE there may be an AssesmentID of 55 in the table but for Student ID 1 
So...
How do I test for Is Null Assessment ID 55 AND isNull student ID2
I have discovered it is not as simple as putting Is Null in the Critera
for Assessment ID and Is Null for Criteria For Student ID
I have also tried  IsNull([tblResults]![AssesmentID]) And
IsNull([tblResults]![StudentID]) no joy

Many thanks in advance


Darren




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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov  6 03:08:56 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:08:56 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
In-Reply-To: <1068084178.3fa9abd2322e1@210.55.105.82>
References: <1068084178.3fa9abd2322e1@210.55.105.82>
Message-ID: <1593911554.20031106100856@cactus.dk>

Hi Terry - and welcome to the list!

Adding to the comments of Charlotte and John, I find it strange that
you didn't receive this message when opening the Access 97 database -
unless you ran that as a runtime? If so that should work for Access
2000 as well.
And, as Charlotte states, the changes that will not be save are design
changes not the data.

Another option could be to convert the database to an mde but other
listers may chime in here as I have never had the need for an mde
running other than for some tests.

/gustav


> I have just found this list so apologies if this question has been asked before
> (couldn't see it in the archives).

> We have a database that is stored on a shared network drive with the data 
> itself in an SQL Server backend.  For security reasons the majority of users 
> have read-only access to the network drive where the database is stored.  With 
> Access 97 this worked fine but the database has recently been upgraded to 
> Access 2000 and now the users receive a message when they open the database 
> stating that it is read-only so they won't be able to save their changes (which 
> is incorrect as, of course, the updates are done on the SQL server which they 
> do have write access to).  Not a major problem but very annoying and confusing 
> for the users.

> Does anyone know how to disable this error message under Access 2000?

> Thanks,
> Terry Bradford
> (Canberra, Australia)


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Nov  6 03:43:30 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:43:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF7210@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Strange, 

I was just gooing to ask a simular question.
I wanted to know if I can trap this error?

I run an MDB (must be an MDB because I change programaticaly some report
properties) every 5 minutes (24x7) with the task scheduler. I find this
technique more stable than leaving the MDB 24x7 open.
Sometimes when the file is backupped or copied at the same moment I get
this read-only message.
The whole folder is backupped about 6 times a day so I do have this
regulary.

But this stays on my server until I click on it. Thus preventing to run
the app next time.

Can I trap this error and just exit if read-only?

Erwin



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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database


Hi Terry - and welcome to the list!

Adding to the comments of Charlotte and John, I find it strange that you
didn't receive this message when opening the Access 97 database - unless
you ran that as a runtime? If so that should work for Access 2000 as
well. And, as Charlotte states, the changes that will not be save are
design changes not the data.

Another option could be to convert the database to an mde but other
listers may chime in here as I have never had the need for an mde
running other than for some tests.

/gustav


> I have just found this list so apologies if this question has been 
> asked before (couldn't see it in the archives).

> We have a database that is stored on a shared network drive with the 
> data
> itself in an SQL Server backend.  For security reasons the majority of
users 
> have read-only access to the network drive where the database is
stored.  With 
> Access 97 this worked fine but the database has recently been upgraded
to 
> Access 2000 and now the users receive a message when they open the
database 
> stating that it is read-only so they won't be able to save their
changes (which 
> is incorrect as, of course, the updates are done on the SQL server
which they 
> do have write access to).  Not a major problem but very annoying and
confusing 
> for the users.

> Does anyone know how to disable this error message under Access 2000?

> Thanks,
> Terry Bradford
> (Canberra, Australia)

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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Thu Nov  6 03:59:01 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:59:01 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF7210@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <000001c3a44c$9b400640$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>


Not an expert on the error, but I suspect access gives you that error before
passing control to the database file.  You should be able to test for it by
putting a msgbox as the first action and then setting up the circumstances to
cause the error.  See which somes first ... The read only error or the message
box.

Not sure how complex your db is but one option would be to use a separate mdb to
do the report changes, and programatically manipulate the target mdb directly
via automation.  Then you can can trap the read only state by testing for
exclusive access.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
> Sent: Thursday, 06 November, 2003 5:44 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
>
>
> Strange,
>
> I was just gooing to ask a simular question.
> I wanted to know if I can trap this error?
>
> I run an MDB (must be an MDB because I change programaticaly
> some report
> properties) every 5 minutes (24x7) with the task scheduler. I
> find this
> technique more stable than leaving the MDB 24x7 open.
> Sometimes when the file is backupped or copied at the same
> moment I get
> this read-only message.
> The whole folder is backupped about 6 times a day so I do have this
> regulary.
>
> But this stays on my server until I click on it. Thus
> preventing to run
> the app next time.
>
> Can I trap this error and just exit if read-only?
>
> Erwin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Gustav Brock
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
>
>
> Hi Terry - and welcome to the list!
>
> Adding to the comments of Charlotte and John, I find it
> strange that you
> didn't receive this message when opening the Access 97
> database - unless
> you ran that as a runtime? If so that should work for Access 2000 as
> well. And, as Charlotte states, the changes that will not be save are
> design changes not the data.
>
> Another option could be to convert the database to an mde but other
> listers may chime in here as I have never had the need for an mde
> running other than for some tests.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > I have just found this list so apologies if this question has been
> > asked before (couldn't see it in the archives).
>
> > We have a database that is stored on a shared network drive
> with the
> > data
> > itself in an SQL Server backend.  For security reasons the
> majority of
> users
> > have read-only access to the network drive where the database is
> stored.  With
> > Access 97 this worked fine but the database has recently
> been upgraded
> to
> > Access 2000 and now the users receive a message when they open the
> database
> > stating that it is read-only so they won't be able to save their
> changes (which
> > is incorrect as, of course, the updates are done on the SQL server
> which they
> > do have write access to).  Not a major problem but very annoying and
> confusing
> > for the users.
>
> > Does anyone know how to disable this error message under
> Access 2000?
>
> > Thanks,
> > Terry Bradford
> > (Canberra, Australia)
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov  6 04:03:11 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:03:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF7210@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF7210@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <447166304.20031106110311@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

But if you need to make design changes, how would you do that when the
file is read-only?
And why do you need to backup the frontend six times a day?

/gustav


> Strange, 

> I was just gooing to ask a simular question.
> I wanted to know if I can trap this error?

> I run an MDB (must be an MDB because I change programaticaly some report
> properties) every 5 minutes (24x7) with the task scheduler. I find this
> technique more stable than leaving the MDB 24x7 open.
> Sometimes when the file is backupped or copied at the same moment I get
> this read-only message.
> The whole folder is backupped about 6 times a day so I do have this
> regulary.

> But this stays on my server until I click on it. Thus preventing to run
> the app next time.

> Can I trap this error and just exit if read-only?

> Erwin



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database


> Hi Terry - and welcome to the list!

> Adding to the comments of Charlotte and John, I find it strange that you
> didn't receive this message when opening the Access 97 database - unless
> you ran that as a runtime? If so that should work for Access 2000 as
> well. And, as Charlotte states, the changes that will not be save are
> design changes not the data.

> Another option could be to convert the database to an mde but other
> listers may chime in here as I have never had the need for an mde
> running other than for some tests.


From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Nov  6 12:24:51 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 12:24:51 (MET)
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
Message-ID: <200311061124.hA6BOpEU013511@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hello Group,

i can't seem to let this query work. Why?

Pedro Janssen


SELECT
iif([Code]='501',[Telling]*1),iif([Code]='503',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='507',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='506',[Telling]*0,67),iif([Code]='502',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]='522',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]='542',[Telling]*0,2),iif([Code]='500',[Telling]*0) AS Resultaat_Telling
FROM TellingCode;

From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu Nov  6 05:32:28 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:32:28 -0000 
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C66CA@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

What error does it give you Pedro?

I would normally use a nested Iif statement rather than a list of separate
statements, e.g. 

SELECT
iif([Code]='501',[Telling]*1,iif([Code]='503',[Telling]*2,iif([Code]='507',[
Telling]*2,iif([Code]='506',[Telling]*0,67,iif([Code]='502',[Telling]*0,4,ii
f([Code]='522',[Telling]*0,4,iif([Code]='542',[Telling]*0,2,iif([Code]='500'
,[Telling]*0)))))))) AS Resultaat_Telling FROM TellingCode;

...but I don't know if that's the only way to do it.

-----Original Message-----
From: pedro at plex.nl [mailto:pedro at plex.nl] 
Sent: 06 November 2003 12:25
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?


Hello Group,

i can't seem to let this query work. Why?

Pedro Janssen


SELECT
iif([Code]='501',[Telling]*1),iif([Code]='503',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='507'
,[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='506',[Telling]*0,67),iif([Code]='502',[Telling]*0,
4),iif([Code]='522',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]='542',[Telling]*0,2),iif([Code
]='500',[Telling]*0) AS Resultaat_Telling FROM TellingCode;
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov  6 05:31:33 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:31:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
In-Reply-To: <200311061124.hA6BOpEU013511@mailhostC.plex.net>
References: <200311061124.hA6BOpEU013511@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <2512469179.20031106123133@cactus.dk>

Hi Pedro

It should probably read:

iif([Code]='501',[Telling]*1,iif([Code]='503',[Telling]*2,iif([Code]='507',[Telling]*2,iif([Code]='506',[Telling]*0,67,iif([Code]='502',[Telling]*0,4,iif([Code]='522',[Telling]*0,4,iif([Code]='542',[Telling]*0,2,iif([Code]='500',[Telling]*0,0))))))))

/gustav

> i can't seem to let this query work. Why?

> Pedro Janssen


> SELECT
> iif([Code]='501',[Telling]*1),iif([Code]='503',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='507',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='506',[Telling]*0,67),iif([Code]='502',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]='522',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]='542',[Telling]*0,2),iif([Code]='500',[Telling]*0)
> AS Resultaat_Telling
> FROM TellingCode;


From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Nov  6 06:00:30 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 06:00:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C85C@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Yes, the document has Page number fields & links to documents on the
Intranet. The Word file is opening Read-only.

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 5:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document


On 5 Nov 2003 at 18:19, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> > When you open a document in Word is there anyway to prevent it from
> > asking if you want to save changes? Why does it show the Save
> > message when no changes have been made - only opened the document? I
> > have
> 
> Does the doc have any fields in it? Like a date field, a page number
> field...?

It just occurred to me, are there any linked images in the doc? They 
are fields as well.

--
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The man who claims to be the boss in his own home will lie about 
other things as well.


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From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 06:04:44 2003
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 04:04:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Access and HTML
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C66CA@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20031106120444.4692.qmail@web9807.mail.yahoo.com>


Good Morning,

 

I am trying to create an HTML page in access 2003.  The creation go ok but when I display the page I get 2 warnings:  

The Website uses a data provider that may be unsafe.  If you trust the wesite, click OK, otherwise click Cancel.

If I click ok then I get:

The website is using your identity to access a data source.  If you trust the website click OK to  continue, otherwise click Cancel.

 

Does anyone know what I need to do to have these message not show up.

 

Thanks in Advance!

Dale


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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Nov  6 06:24:57 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu,  6 Nov 2003 13:24:57 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Access Traffic Query
Message-ID: <15641174.1068121497477.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>

To all,
We have a Win2000 Server network with Office XP Professional using Access XP, we don't have a front-end or back-end to this system (I inherited it, lucky me).  So everyone has a shortcut to the .mdb on the Server, when a query is run on the .mdb is it the Server that will do the processing or the desktop unit of the user ?
Anybody know how it actually works, cause I may have to modify the Aplication.
Paul

From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Nov  6 07:02:44 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:02:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Access Traffic Query
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30688462@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAFC4@ADGSERVER>

To the best of my knowledge, the processing is done on the desktop.  That is
why MSDE or SQL server gives such a performance boost.

HTH,
Bobby

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paul.hartland at fsmail.net
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:25 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] OT Access Traffic Query


To all,
We have a Win2000 Server network with Office XP Professional using Access
XP, we don't have a front-end or back-end to this system (I inherited it,
lucky me).  So everyone has a shortcut to the .mdb on the Server, when a
query is run on the .mdb is it the Server that will do the processing or the
desktop unit of the user ? Anybody know how it actually works, cause I may
have to modify the Aplication. Paul
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From JHewson at karta.com  Thu Nov  6 07:13:50 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 07:13:50 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
Message-ID: <4AE733BBEEE72647A9F950F7275F262E112560@nt04.karta.com>


I believe the commas are messing this up.
Access is looking at the commas and determining the False Part wrong.
eg: ...iif([code]='506', [Telling]*0.67, iif...
a comma between 0 and 67 Access thinks 67 is the false part.
One question I have, is why the single quote marks around numbers?  I
normally don't use them.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] why isn't this working?


Hi Pedro

It should probably read:

iif([Code]='501',[Telling]*1,iif([Code]='503',[Telling]*2,iif([Code]='507',[
Telling]*2,iif([Code]='506',[Telling]*0,67,iif([Code]='502',[Telling]*0,4,ii
f([Code]='522',[Telling]*0,4,iif([Code]='542',[Telling]*0,2,iif([Code]='500'
,[Telling]*0,0))))))))

/gustav

> i can't seem to let this query work. Why?

> Pedro Janssen


> SELECT
>
iif([Code]='501',[Telling]*1),iif([Code]='503',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='507'
,[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='506',[Telling]*0,67),iif([Code]='502',[Telling]*0,
4),iif([Code]='522',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]='542',[Telling]*0,2),iif([Code
]='500',[Telling]*0)
> AS Resultaat_Telling
> FROM TellingCode;

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov  6 07:28:07 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 23:28:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT Access Traffic Query
In-Reply-To: <15641174.1068121497477.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>
Message-ID: <3FAAD907.13187.768AC@localhost>

On 6 Nov 2003 at 13:24, paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:

> To all, We have a Win2000 Server network with Office XP Professional
> using Access XP, we don't have a front-end or back-end to this system
> (I inherited it, lucky me).  So everyone has a shortcut to the .mdb on
> the Server, when a query is run on the .mdb is it the Server that will
> do the processing or the desktop unit of the user ? Anybody know how it
> actually works, cause I may have to modify the Aplication. Paul 

The  desktop does all the processing.

It is behaving exactly it would if the application was on a local 
disk (only it takes longer to pull everything over the network than 
it would from a local drive).   
-- 
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http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov  6 07:33:20 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 23:33:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
In-Reply-To: <200311061124.hA6BOpEU013511@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <3FAADA40.26871.C30F8@localhost>

On 6 Nov 2003 at 12:24, pedro at plex.nl wrote:

> Hello Group,
> 
> i can't seem to let this query work. Why?
> 
> Pedro Janssen
> 
> 
> SELECT
> iif([Code]='501',[Telling]*1),iif([Code]='503',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]=
> '507',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='506',[Telling]*0,67),iif([Code]='502',[T
> elling]*0,4),iif([Code]='522',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]='542',[Telling]
> *0,2),iif([Code]='500',[Telling]*0) AS Resultaat_Telling FROM
> TellingCode; 

All the closing brackets are in the wrong places, They should be at 
the end of the last iif().

i.e. It should be something like:

IIF(a,z,IIF(b,y,IIF(c,x,IIF(d,w,v))))



 
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Support.




From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Thu Nov  6 07:52:02 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 08:52:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
Message-ID: <sfaa0bbc.051@cbc.ca>

I would suspect that the Page Number field is being updated in the
background, which is causing the Save Dialog to appear when you close
it.

Opening it read only won't have any effect on having the Save dialog
showing up. All opening it Read Only will do is prevent the user from
saving any modifications over the original file.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com 06-Nov-03 7:00:30 AM >>>
Yes, the document has Page number fields & links to documents on the
Intranet. The Word file is opening Read-only.

Virginia

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Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 5:22 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document


On 5 Nov 2003 at 18:19, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> > When you open a document in Word is there anyway to prevent it
from
> > asking if you want to save changes? Why does it show the Save
> > message when no changes have been made - only opened the document?
I
> > have
> 
> Does the doc have any fields in it? Like a date field, a page number
> field...?

It just occurred to me, are there any linked images in the doc? They 
are fields as well.


From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Thu Nov  6 09:10:52 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:10:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
Message-ID: <OFD7F6E89E.20C6FBC5-ON86256DD6.005346BD-86256DD6.00536450@nc.us.bank-dns.com>


Why don't you create a custom function for this using Select Case or If
Then statements?


                                                                                                                                 
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Hello Group,

i can't seem to let this query work. Why?

Pedro Janssen


SELECT
iif([Code]='501',[Telling]*1),iif([Code]='503',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]
='507',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='506',[Telling]*0,67),iif([Code]
='502',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]='522',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]
='542',[Telling]*0,2),iif([Code]='500',[Telling]*0) AS Resultaat_Telling
FROM TellingCode;
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Nov  6 09:28:19 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 09:28:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Excel Increment Date
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C860@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Sorry for the OT and definitely change of subject to Excel.
 
I need to increment a date in Excel, if anyone can help please contact me
off-list.
 
Virginia
hollisvj at pgdp.usec.com <mailto:hollisvj at pgdp.usec.com> 

From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Thu Nov  6 09:35:29 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:35:29 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
Message-ID: <OFF4AD854B.7D554C5B-ON86256DD6.0054E3B5-86256DD6.0055A512@nc.us.bank-dns.com>


The function would probably look something like this:

Function MyExample (mycode, mytelling)  as Double
     Dim mymultipler as double
     Select Case mycode
          Case 501
               mymultipler = 1
          Case 503
               mymultipler = 2
          Case 507
               mymultipler = 2
          Case 506
               mymultipler = .67
          Case 502
               mymultipler = .4
          Case 522
               mymultipler = .4
          Case 542
               mymultipler = .2
          Case 500
               mymultipler = 0
     End Select

     MyExample = mytelling * myultipler

End Function

The next step would be to use it in your query something like the
following:
MyExample([Code], [Telling]) AS Resultaat_Telling FROM TellingCode;


                                                                                                                                 
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Why don't you create a custom function for this using Select Case or If
Then statements?



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Hello Group,

i can't seem to let this query work. Why?

Pedro Janssen


SELECT
iif([Code]='501',[Telling]*1),iif([Code]='503',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]
='507',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='506',[Telling]*0,67),iif([Code]
='502',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]='522',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]
='542',[Telling]*0,2),iif([Code]='500',[Telling]*0) AS Resultaat_Telling
FROM TellingCode;
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Nov  6 09:40:29 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu,  6 Nov 2003 16:40:29 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query
Message-ID: <12773941.1068133229930.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>

To all,
I have a query named qryUnionAvailabilityTables, is there anyway I can find out any other Query that uses aryUnionAvailabilityTables without going and looking at everyone of them, i.e. some code to loop through all the queries I have looking for this etc.
I would look manually but we have over 250 queries in our main database.
Thanks for any help in advance.......
Paul Hartland

From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Nov  6 09:43:45 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu,  6 Nov 2003 16:43:45 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Access Traffic Query
Message-ID: <29635982.1068133425299.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>

Thanks for all your help




Message date : Nov 06 2003, 01:03 PM 
>From : Bobby Heid 
To : 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
Copy to : 
Subject : RE: [AccessD] OT Access Traffic Query 
To the best of my knowledge, the processing is done on the desktop. That is 
why MSDE or SQL server gives such a performance boost. 

HTH, 
Bobby 

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Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:25 AM 
To: accessd 
Subject: [AccessD] OT Access Traffic Query 


To all, 
We have a Win2000 Server network with Office XP Professional using Access 
XP, we don't have a front-end or back-end to this system (I inherited it, 
lucky me). So everyone has a shortcut to the .mdb on the Server, when a 
query is run on the .mdb is it the Server that will do the processing or the 
desktop unit of the user ? Anybody know how it actually works, cause I may 
have to modify the Aplication. Paul 
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Nov  6 09:43:59 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu,  6 Nov 2003 16:43:59 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Access Traffic Query
Message-ID: <29892106.1068133438994.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>


Thanks for all your help



Message date : Nov 06 2003, 01:30 PM 
>From : Stuart McLachlan 
To : Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Copy to : 
Subject : Re: [AccessD] OT Access Traffic Query 
On 6 Nov 2003 at 13:24, paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote: 

> To all, We have a Win2000 Server network with Office XP Professional 
> using Access XP, we don't have a front-end or back-end to this system 
> (I inherited it, lucky me). So everyone has a shortcut to the .mdb on 
> the Server, when a query is run on the .mdb is it the Server that will 
> do the processing or the desktop unit of the user ? Anybody know how it 
> actually works, cause I may have to modify the Aplication. Paul 

The desktop does all the processing. 

It is behaving exactly it would if the application was on a local 
disk (only it takes longer to pull everything over the network than 
it would from a local drive). 
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Nov  6 09:45:20 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:45:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DC1@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hi gustav.

The frontend runs every 5 minutes, I may quit inmediatly in this case
and do his thing the next time....


This frontend is in the same folder as the data and runs on the server.
I supose I could split them up, but I need fast recovery times. So
that's why I like to keep them togheter.
This application has 4 front-ends and 2 backends.
3 front-ends run on the server, 1 on the client pc's (local copy).
1x Front-end is an intermidiate db for ASP/internet access.
1x front-end collects E-mails, Faxes and FTP files on the server (checks
every 5 minutes)
1x front-end generates Excel files and faxes a reports whenever asked by
ASP client or by internal client (checks every other 5 minutes).

Its the last two from which I Notice my problem.
Sometimes if I make a minor adjustment to the backend database and the
front-end (timer is up) runs, I have the same problem. 

So I tought to catch the error when opening and if the database is in a
non-editable state to quit inmedatly and try again for next scheduled
run.

Erwin



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Gustav Brock
Verzonden: donderdag 6 november 2003 11:03
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database


Hi Erwin

But if you need to make design changes, how would you do that when the
file is read-only? And why do you need to backup the frontend six times
a day?

/gustav


> Strange,

> I was just gooing to ask a simular question.
> I wanted to know if I can trap this error?

> I run an MDB (must be an MDB because I change programaticaly some 
> report
> properties) every 5 minutes (24x7) with the task scheduler. I find
this
> technique more stable than leaving the MDB 24x7 open.
> Sometimes when the file is backupped or copied at the same moment I
get
> this read-only message.
> The whole folder is backupped about 6 times a day so I do have this
> regulary.

> But this stays on my server until I click on it. Thus preventing to 
> run the app next time.

> Can I trap this error and just exit if read-only?

> Erwin



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database


> Hi Terry - and welcome to the list!

> Adding to the comments of Charlotte and John, I find it strange that 
> you didn't receive this message when opening the Access 97 database - 
> unless you ran that as a runtime? If so that should work for Access 
> 2000 as well. And, as Charlotte states, the changes that will not be 
> save are design changes not the data.

> Another option could be to convert the database to an mde but other 
> listers may chime in here as I have never had the need for an mde 
> running other than for some tests.

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Nov  6 09:51:19 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:51:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF7217@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I give it a shot.
Because I believe the error is generated by the back-end and not the
frontend.
Only one user accesses the front-end.

I dont really know where the error is generated, in the front or
backend.
I know it usualy, but not always, happens during the backup. So I supose
Veritas backup makes a small or big lock before backing up.

Erwin


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Stuart Sanders
Verzonden: donderdag 6 november 2003 10:59
Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database



Not an expert on the error, but I suspect access gives you that error
before passing control to the database file.  You should be able to test
for it by putting a msgbox as the first action and then setting up the
circumstances to cause the error.  See which somes first ... The read
only error or the message box.

Not sure how complex your db is but one option would be to use a
separate mdb to do the report changes, and programatically manipulate
the target mdb directly via automation.  Then you can can trap the read
only state by testing for exclusive access.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
> Sent: Thursday, 06 November, 2003 5:44 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
>
>
> Strange,
>
> I was just gooing to ask a simular question.
> I wanted to know if I can trap this error?
>
> I run an MDB (must be an MDB because I change programaticaly some 
> report
> properties) every 5 minutes (24x7) with the task scheduler. I find 
> this technique more stable than leaving the MDB 24x7 open.
> Sometimes when the file is backupped or copied at the same
> moment I get
> this read-only message.
> The whole folder is backupped about 6 times a day so I do have this
> regulary.
>
> But this stays on my server until I click on it. Thus preventing to 
> run the app next time.
>
> Can I trap this error and just exit if read-only?
>
> Erwin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
>
>
> Hi Terry - and welcome to the list!
>
> Adding to the comments of Charlotte and John, I find it strange that 
> you didn't receive this message when opening the Access 97
> database - unless
> you ran that as a runtime? If so that should work for Access 2000 as
> well. And, as Charlotte states, the changes that will not be save are
> design changes not the data.
>
> Another option could be to convert the database to an mde but other 
> listers may chime in here as I have never had the need for an mde 
> running other than for some tests.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > I have just found this list so apologies if this question has been 
> > asked before (couldn't see it in the archives).
>
> > We have a database that is stored on a shared network drive
> with the
> > data
> > itself in an SQL Server backend.  For security reasons the
> majority of
> users
> > have read-only access to the network drive where the database is
> stored.  With
> > Access 97 this worked fine but the database has recently
> been upgraded
> to
> > Access 2000 and now the users receive a message when they open the
> database
> > stating that it is read-only so they won't be able to save their
> changes (which
> > is incorrect as, of course, the updates are done on the SQL server
> which they
> > do have write access to).  Not a major problem but very annoying and
> confusing
> > for the users.
>
> > Does anyone know how to disable this error message under
> Access 2000?
>
> > Thanks,
> > Terry Bradford
> > (Canberra, Australia)
>
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu Nov  6 10:01:52 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:01:52 -0000 
Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C66E0@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Rick Fisher's Find and Replace. I don't know how I ever managed without it!
I love it so much I paid the registration fee. :D

www.rickworld.com

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net] 
Sent: 06 November 2003 15:40
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query


To all,
I have a query named qryUnionAvailabilityTables, is there anyway I can find
out any other Query that uses aryUnionAvailabilityTables without going and
looking at everyone of them, i.e. some code to loop through all the queries
I have looking for this etc. I would look manually but we have over 250
queries in our main database. Thanks for any help in advance....... Paul
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Nov  6 10:02:29 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:02:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F82C@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

SpeedFerret will do it for you.

Jim DeMarco

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Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:40 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query


To all,
I have a query named qryUnionAvailabilityTables, is there anyway I can find out any other Query that uses aryUnionAvailabilityTables without going and looking at everyone of them, i.e. some code to loop through all the queries I have looking for this etc.
I would look manually but we have over 250 queries in our main database.
Thanks for any help in advance.......
Paul Hartland
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov  6 10:11:20 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:11:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631241B@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

You'd have to use something like SpeedFerret from www.moshannon.com to
find every instance of qryUnionAvailaibilityTables in the database.  It
will find them in queries, forms, reports, code, comments, etc.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:40 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query


To all,
I have a query named qryUnionAvailabilityTables, is there anyway I can
find out any other Query that uses aryUnionAvailabilityTables without
going and looking at everyone of them, i.e. some code to loop through
all the queries I have looking for this etc. I would look manually but
we have over 250 queries in our main database. Thanks for any help in
advance....... Paul Hartland
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From ranthony at wrsystems.com  Thu Nov  6 10:11:35 2003
From: ranthony at wrsystems.com (Randall Anthony)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:11:35 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query
Message-ID: <5F21A4E8B8DD734992EF9E70AC9D306412888D@mail2.wrsystems.com>

Amen to that.  I've got both the A97 and A2K versions.

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query

Rick Fisher's Find and Replace. I don't know how I ever managed without it!
I love it so much I paid the registration fee. :D

www.rickworld.com

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net] 
Sent: 06 November 2003 15:40
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query


To all,
I have a query named qryUnionAvailabilityTables, is there anyway I can find
out any other Query that uses aryUnionAvailabilityTables without going and
looking at everyone of them, i.e. some code to loop through all the queries
I have looking for this etc. I would look manually but we have over 250
queries in our main database. Thanks for any help in advance....... Paul
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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Thu Nov  6 10:12:26 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:12:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Omit Records from Report Total
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D781F@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

I have a table with 3 fields: [Office], [ProposalStatus], and [Amount].

In my report, I group on [Office], with [ProposalStatus] and [Amount] in
the Detail section.

In the [Office] Footer, I have a textbox with a control source of
'=Sum([Amount])'.

However, I have been informed that this textbox should not include
records with a [ProposalStatus] of 'Lost'.

Therefore, I need the textbox to be the total amount of all records that
have a [ProposalStatus] <> 'Lost'.

 

Is there any way to do this?

 

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 


From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Nov  6 10:20:15 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:20:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query
In-Reply-To: <12773941.1068133229930.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>
Message-ID: <002501c3a481$dcf6bcc0$7001a8c0@COA3>

Paul:
Dim a variable as a querydef, then loop throough all the query defs:
Dim q as querydef
Then use a For Each q in currentdb.querydefs.  Inside the For,
  use instr to check for the name of the query you are looking for:
L=instr(1, q.sql, "qryNameToCheck",vbtextcompare)
If L ' then you have a match. The current value of q.name will tell you
who's using it.  You could use Redim Preserve to come back with an array
of names that reference the query searched for.

Hth
Steve



-----Original Message-----
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paul.hartland at fsmail.net
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:40 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query


To all,
I have a query named qryUnionAvailabilityTables, is there anyway I can
find out any other Query that uses aryUnionAvailabilityTables without
going and looking at everyone of them, i.e. some code to loop through
all the queries I have looking for this etc. I would look manually but
we have over 250 queries in our main database. Thanks for any help in
advance....... Paul Hartland
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov  6 10:22:20 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:22:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3F1@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I have to chime in on the other side.  I've been building Access apps
using bound forms (yes, JC, I *do* use bound forms ... just not
*always*!) since Access 1.  Anytime I've seen serious corruption, there
has been a darn good reason for it, either between the chair and
keyboard or within the network itself.  I've always built my apps with
multiple users in mind, but I've often heard the same urban legends.  In
fact, the truth depends on how the application is built.  

The people who knock Access generally know little about it and how it
works or have never encountered a well-built Access application.
Unfortunately, there are a large number of "practitioners" out there who
call themselves Access developers because  they've managed to build
themselves a database that sort of does what they want.  Their work
tends to give Access development a bad name.   I've cleaned up after
some and it was NOT pretty!

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


Hi John and Stuart:

Not trying to re-kindle the bound/unbound debate but as most of my
contracts are with the local provincial government and they have a
specific rule. All databases with greater than ten users must be build
on SQL technology. That technology extends to Oracle and sometime MS SQL
and unbound forms. Therefore, I have little opportunity experiment with
Access environments with a large user base. The closest I came to a
significant bound Access database was a private client with just under
twenty users but they moved their server to Linux and subsequently a
MySQL BE.

Maybe all these concerns with larger Access bound form applications, are
part of a local urban legend, or Database companies and DBAs who wish to
promote the myth to their own end but I for one have not had great
memories with a couple of applications. Once burned...twice shy.

My two cents worth
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 5:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


On 5 Nov 2003 at 20:26, John Colby wrote:

> Jim,
>
> I have a client with ~30 users in the database (bound forms) from 8-5
daily
> and have not had a single corruption in coming up on a year now.
>

Me too!   (For a couple of years now)
<VBG>

Apart from that one, I have several others which regularly have ~10
users in them all day with no sign of corruption yet.








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Lexacorp Ltd
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov  6 10:23:24 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:23:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631241D@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

True, but runtime is a separate issue entirely, with its own problems.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database


Although according to Gustav I think it was, running it under "run time"
will prevent the error from showing.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database


Design changes (like the paper size of a report) are handled in Access,
not in SQL Server.  Access 2000 and later do NOT allow users to make
design changes to objects unless they have exclusive access to the
database.  Since your database is being shared,  that would only be
possible if a single user was in the database.  Also, read-only access
to that folder won't work because the users need to be able to create
and/or write to the ldb file for the shared front end and to delete it
when the last person exits.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: access at tlcbc.com.au [mailto:access at tlcbc.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database



Hi!

I have just found this list so apologies if this question has been asked
before (couldn't see it in the archives).

We have a database that is stored on a shared network drive with the
data itself in an SQL Server backend.  For security reasons the majority
of users have read-only access to the network drive where the database
is stored. With Access 97 this worked fine but the database has recently
been upgraded to Access 2000 and now the users receive a message when
they open the database stating that it is read-only so they won't be
able to save their changes (which is incorrect as, of course, the
updates are done on the SQL server which they do have write access to).
Not a major problem but very annoying and confusing for the users.

Does anyone know how to disable this error message under Access 2000?

Thanks,
Terry Bradford
(Canberra, Australia)


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov  6 10:33:56 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:33:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3F1@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEJMFJAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

ROTFL.

>I've cleaned up after some and it was NOT pretty!

Amen to THAT.

Being bound / unbound appears to have little to do with anything when it
comes to corruptions.  A corruption occurs when JET attempts to save to a db
and the connection is broken for some reason.  That may be the computer
turned off (power loss / off switch - at the WS OR THE SERVER OR THE
ROUTER), or a flaky NIC, or a flaky cable, or a flaky router.  This will
occur whether it is a bound form doing the write or an unbound form doing
the write.  You can have a bound form open and staring at data and lose
power with no ill effects, IF no write is occurring.

Unfortunately these urban legends get started, and then just pick up a life
of their own.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


I have to chime in on the other side.  I've been building Access apps
using bound forms (yes, JC, I *do* use bound forms ... just not
*always*!) since Access 1.  Anytime I've seen serious corruption, there
has been a darn good reason for it, either between the chair and
keyboard or within the network itself.  I've always built my apps with
multiple users in mind, but I've often heard the same urban legends.  In
fact, the truth depends on how the application is built.

The people who knock Access generally know little about it and how it
works or have never encountered a well-built Access application.
Unfortunately, there are a large number of "practitioners" out there who
call themselves Access developers because  they've managed to build
themselves a database that sort of does what they want.  Their work
tends to give Access development a bad name.   I've cleaned up after
some and it was NOT pretty!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


Hi John and Stuart:

Not trying to re-kindle the bound/unbound debate but as most of my
contracts are with the local provincial government and they have a
specific rule. All databases with greater than ten users must be build
on SQL technology. That technology extends to Oracle and sometime MS SQL
and unbound forms. Therefore, I have little opportunity experiment with
Access environments with a large user base. The closest I came to a
significant bound Access database was a private client with just under
twenty users but they moved their server to Linux and subsequently a
MySQL BE.

Maybe all these concerns with larger Access bound form applications, are
part of a local urban legend, or Database companies and DBAs who wish to
promote the myth to their own end but I for one have not had great
memories with a couple of applications. Once burned...twice shy.

My two cents worth
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 5:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


On 5 Nov 2003 at 20:26, John Colby wrote:

> Jim,
>
> I have a client with ~30 users in the database (bound forms) from 8-5
daily
> and have not had a single corruption in coming up on a year now.
>

Me too!   (For a couple of years now)
<VBG>

Apart from that one, I have several others which regularly have ~10
users in them all day with no sign of corruption yet.








--
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Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy http://www.lexacorp.com.pg

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov  6 10:35:30 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:35:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DC1@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DC1@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <19630705432.20031106173530@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

OK, but again, a write protected (during backup) backend should not
cause a popup in the fronted (except if you try to write to it, of
course), and why take backup of the frontend all day - you would be
better off creating a working copy of it from a master file when
launching. 

/gustav


> The frontend runs every 5 minutes, I may quit inmediatly in this case
> and do his thing the next time....


> This frontend is in the same folder as the data and runs on the server.
> I supose I could split them up, but I need fast recovery times. So
> that's why I like to keep them togheter.
> This application has 4 front-ends and 2 backends.
> 3 front-ends run on the server, 1 on the client pc's (local copy).
> 1x Front-end is an intermidiate db for ASP/internet access.
> 1x front-end collects E-mails, Faxes and FTP files on the server (checks
> every 5 minutes)
> 1x front-end generates Excel files and faxes a reports whenever asked by
> ASP client or by internal client (checks every other 5 minutes).

> Its the last two from which I Notice my problem.
> Sometimes if I make a minor adjustment to the backend database and the
> front-end (timer is up) runs, I have the same problem. 

> So I tought to catch the error when opening and if the database is in a
> non-editable state to quit inmedatly and try again for next scheduled
> run.

> Erwin



> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Gustav Brock
> Verzonden: donderdag 6 november 2003 11:03
> Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database


> Hi Erwin

> But if you need to make design changes, how would you do that when the
> file is read-only? And why do you need to backup the frontend six times
> a day?

> /gustav


>> Strange,

>> I was just gooing to ask a simular question.
>> I wanted to know if I can trap this error?

>> I run an MDB (must be an MDB because I change programaticaly some 
>> report
>> properties) every 5 minutes (24x7) with the task scheduler. I find
>> this technique more stable than leaving the MDB 24x7 open.
>> Sometimes when the file is backupped or copied at the same moment I
>> get this read-only message.
>> The whole folder is backupped about 6 times a day so I do have this
>> regulary.

>> But this stays on my server until I click on it. Thus preventing to 
>> run the app next time.

>> Can I trap this error and just exit if read-only?

>> Erwin



>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
>> Brock
>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:09 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database


>> Hi Terry - and welcome to the list!

>> Adding to the comments of Charlotte and John, I find it strange that 
>> you didn't receive this message when opening the Access 97 database - 
>> unless you ran that as a runtime? If so that should work for Access 
>> 2000 as well. And, as Charlotte states, the changes that will not be 
>> save are design changes not the data.

>> Another option could be to convert the database to an mde but other 
>> listers may chime in here as I have never had the need for an mde 
>> running other than for some tests.


From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Nov  6 10:43:51 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 10:43:51 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Increment Date - Was:  OT - Excel Increment Date
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C865@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Ok, can't seem to figure this out in Excel so going to use good ol' Access.
 
I need to print a report that changes the date field for each work day of
the year. For example, press print & it will print 240 (or however many work
days there are in a year M-F) copies of a report and the date on each copy
will increment.
 
The report is 1 page. So, I need it to print one copy, increment the date by
one working day, then print another copy until all copies are printed for
the year.
 
1st copy - Thursday, 11/06/2003
2nd copy - Friday, 11/07/2003
3rd copy - Monday, 11/10/2003
etc.
 
P.S. If anyone has any ideas how to do this in Excel or Access it doesn't
matter. I would appreciate help either way.
 
Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: OT - Excel Increment Date


Sorry for the OT and definitely change of subject to Excel.
 
I need to increment a date in Excel, if anyone can help please contact me
off-list.
 
Virginia
hollisvj at pgdp.usec.com <mailto:hollisvj at pgdp.usec.com> 


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov  6 10:49:55 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:49:55 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631241E@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Don't forget flaky users in that list, John! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 8:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


ROTFL.

>I've cleaned up after some and it was NOT pretty!

Amen to THAT.

Being bound / unbound appears to have little to do with anything when it
comes to corruptions.  A corruption occurs when JET attempts to save to
a db and the connection is broken for some reason.  That may be the
computer turned off (power loss / off switch - at the WS OR THE SERVER
OR THE ROUTER), or a flaky NIC, or a flaky cable, or a flaky router.
This will occur whether it is a bound form doing the write or an unbound
form doing the write.  You can have a bound form open and staring at
data and lose power with no ill effects, IF no write is occurring.

Unfortunately these urban legends get started, and then just pick up a
life of their own.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


I have to chime in on the other side.  I've been building Access apps
using bound forms (yes, JC, I *do* use bound forms ... just not
*always*!) since Access 1.  Anytime I've seen serious corruption, there
has been a darn good reason for it, either between the chair and
keyboard or within the network itself.  I've always built my apps with
multiple users in mind, but I've often heard the same urban legends.  In
fact, the truth depends on how the application is built.

The people who knock Access generally know little about it and how it
works or have never encountered a well-built Access application.
Unfortunately, there are a large number of "practitioners" out there who
call themselves Access developers because  they've managed to build
themselves a database that sort of does what they want.  Their work
tends to give Access development a bad name.   I've cleaned up after
some and it was NOT pretty!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


Hi John and Stuart:

Not trying to re-kindle the bound/unbound debate but as most of my
contracts are with the local provincial government and they have a
specific rule. All databases with greater than ten users must be build
on SQL technology. That technology extends to Oracle and sometime MS SQL
and unbound forms. Therefore, I have little opportunity experiment with
Access environments with a large user base. The closest I came to a
significant bound Access database was a private client with just under
twenty users but they moved their server to Linux and subsequently a
MySQL BE.

Maybe all these concerns with larger Access bound form applications, are
part of a local urban legend, or Database companies and DBAs who wish to
promote the myth to their own end but I for one have not had great
memories with a couple of applications. Once burned...twice shy.

My two cents worth
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 5:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database


On 5 Nov 2003 at 20:26, John Colby wrote:

> Jim,
>
> I have a client with ~30 users in the database (bound forms) from 8-5
daily
> and have not had a single corruption in coming up on a year now.
>

Me too!   (For a couple of years now)
<VBG>

Apart from that one, I have several others which regularly have ~10
users in them all day with no sign of corruption yet.








--
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy http://www.lexacorp.com.pg

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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Nov  6 11:00:03 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 11:00:03 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Open Word Document
In-Reply-To: <200311060852.hA68qp629349@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031106105848.02887df0@pop3.highstream.net>

Virginia,

I get that when there has been a substitution for a font
or something like that.  We do not see it because Word
does it automatically.

Robert

At 02:52 AM 11/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:09:24 -0600
>From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C850 at cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Perfect, thanks.
>
>When you open a document in Word is there anyway to prevent it from asking
>if you want to save changes? Why does it show the Save message when no
>changes have been made - only opened the document? I have noticed Excel does
>the same thing, always wanting to save changes.
>
>Va.



From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 11:07:03 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:07:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Dynamic Calendar Report
Message-ID: <20031106170703.95316.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com>

Is there any type of dynamic calendar that can come in report form in access? I want to be able to select any month and produce the appropriate calendar for that month. Also I want to be able to post items from a table into that calendar.
 
Thanks in advance.



Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Thu Nov  6 11:08:07 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:08:07 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Increment Date - Was:  OT - Excel Increment Date
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB907@nnse14.nns.com>

Well, an easy way to get a list of these dates in Excel is to type your
beginning date in a cell, highlight from that cell down the column to
include the number of entries you wish, go to Edit/Fill/Series, choose
Columns, Date, Weekday, OK.  You could then use this list as the source for
your loop logic.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Increment Date - Was: OT - Excel Increment Date


Ok, can't seem to figure this out in Excel so going to use good ol' Access.
 
I need to print a report that changes the date field for each work day of
the year. For example, press print & it will print 240 (or however many work
days there are in a year M-F) copies of a report and the date on each copy
will increment.
 
The report is 1 page. So, I need it to print one copy, increment the date by
one working day, then print another copy until all copies are printed for
the year.
 
1st copy - Thursday, 11/06/2003
2nd copy - Friday, 11/07/2003
3rd copy - Monday, 11/10/2003
etc.
 
P.S. If anyone has any ideas how to do this in Excel or Access it doesn't
matter. I would appreciate help either way.
 
Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: OT - Excel Increment Date


Sorry for the OT and definitely change of subject to Excel.
 
I need to increment a date in Excel, if anyone can help please contact me
off-list.
 
Virginia
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Nov  6 11:45:52 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 11:45:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Increment Date - Was:  OT - Excel Increment Date
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C86B@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I figured it out - if anyone ever needs this.

Thanks, Va.

********************
With Worksheets("Schedule")
NumCopies = .Cells(5, 20).Value

For i = 1 To NumCopies
If Weekday(.Cells(3, 7), 2) = 6 Or Weekday(.Cells(3, 7), 2) = 7 Then GoTo
Gin

  ActiveWindow.SelectedSheets.PrintOut Copies:=1, Collate:=True
  
Gin:
  .Cells(2, 19).Value = i
Next i
    
End With

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News) [mailto:Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Increment Date - Was: OT - Excel Increment Date


Well, an easy way to get a list of these dates in Excel is to type your
beginning date in a cell, highlight from that cell down the column to
include the number of entries you wish, go to Edit/Fill/Series, choose
Columns, Date, Weekday, OK.  You could then use this list as the source for
your loop logic.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Increment Date - Was: OT - Excel Increment Date


Ok, can't seem to figure this out in Excel so going to use good ol' Access.
 
I need to print a report that changes the date field for each work day of
the year. For example, press print & it will print 240 (or however many work
days there are in a year M-F) copies of a report and the date on each copy
will increment.
 
The report is 1 page. So, I need it to print one copy, increment the date by
one working day, then print another copy until all copies are printed for
the year.
 
1st copy - Thursday, 11/06/2003
2nd copy - Friday, 11/07/2003
3rd copy - Monday, 11/10/2003
etc.
 
P.S. If anyone has any ideas how to do this in Excel or Access it doesn't
matter. I would appreciate help either way.
 
Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: OT - Excel Increment Date


Sorry for the OT and definitely change of subject to Excel.
 
I need to increment a date in Excel, if anyone can help please contact me
off-list.
 
Virginia
hollisvj at pgdp.usec.com <mailto:hollisvj at pgdp.usec.com> 

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Nov  6 11:50:24 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:50:24 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query
In-Reply-To: <12773941.1068133229930.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>
Message-ID: <00d701c3a48e$77f6a530$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Paul
Here's some code. Just call it from the immediate window as in:

? SrchQdefs("qryUnionAvailabilityTables")




Function SrchQdefs(strSrch as String)
'Pass all queries and searches for a given string in the SQL
Dim db As Database
Dim qry As QueryDef
Dim Mysql As String
Set db = CurrentDb()
For Each qry In db.QueryDefs
  If InStr(1, qry.SQL, Srch) <> 0 Then
    Debug.Print qry.Name
  End If
Next qry
Set db=Nothing

End Function

HTH

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> paul.hartland at fsmail.net
> Sent: 06 November 2003 15:40
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] Find Every Occurance Of A Query
> 
> 
> To all,
> I have a query named qryUnionAvailabilityTables, is there 
> anyway I can find out any other Query that uses 
> aryUnionAvailabilityTables without going and looking at 
> everyone of them, i.e. some code to loop through all the 
> queries I have looking for this etc. I would look manually 
> but we have over 250 queries in our main database. Thanks for 
> any help in advance....... Paul Hartland 
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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Thu Nov  6 11:49:06 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:49:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SOLVED: Omit Records from Report Total
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D189879@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

I resolved this issue by simply creating another field in the table, and
running an update query to populate this field with the amount only if
[ProposalStatus] <> 'Lost'.
I then changed the textboxes on the report to sum this new field.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Boyd 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:12 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Omit Records from Report Total

I have a table with 3 fields: [Office], [ProposalStatus], and [Amount].

In my report, I group on [Office], with [ProposalStatus] and [Amount] in
the Detail section.

In the [Office] Footer, I have a textbox with a control source of
'=Sum([Amount])'.

However, I have been informed that this textbox should not include
records with a [ProposalStatus] of 'Lost'.

Therefore, I need the textbox to be the total amount of all records that
have a [ProposalStatus] <> 'Lost'.

 

Is there any way to do this?

 

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov  6 12:08:20 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:08:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEKCFJAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Is it possible to call a function in another database without referencing
that db?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Thu Nov  6 13:06:27 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:06:27 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the 
	db
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB90A@nnse14.nns.com>

You don't ask for much do you? ;)


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:08 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db


Is it possible to call a function in another database without referencing
that db?

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Nov  6 13:10:43 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:10:43 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the 
	db
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022274E9@main2.marlow.com>

Through automation.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:08 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db


Is it possible to call a function in another database without referencing
that db?

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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Thu Nov  6 13:13:43 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:13:43 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the 
	db
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE0E2@TAPPEEXCH01>

Can you define "without referencing"?  Shell, DDE, mental telepathy?

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Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:08 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db


Is it possible to call a function in another database without referencing
that db?

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov  6 13:14:52 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:14:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db
In-Reply-To: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB90A@nnse14.nns.com>
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I try to only post the simple requests.  ;-)

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mitsules, Mark
S. (Newport News)
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing
the db


You don't ask for much do you? ;)


Mark


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Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:08 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db


Is it possible to call a function in another database without referencing
that db?

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From Elizabeth.Carter at telus.com  Thu Nov  6 13:20:06 2003
From: Elizabeth.Carter at telus.com (Elizabeth Carter)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:20:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Testing for NULLS in a Query
Message-ID: <C92CA56342E90843BF148AE54BCA9579011E3E3B@bcmsg010.corp.ads>

Hi Darren,

You could try doing a select query for you student ID assessment ID combination and if no rows are returned run the append query.

Liz

-----Original Message-----
From: Robin Lawrence [mailto:rgilimited at btconnect.com]
Sent: November 6, 2003 12:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Testing for NULLS in a Query


Darren,
Have you tried
IsNull([tblResults]![AssesmentID]) OR IsNull([tblResults]![StudentID]) 

Or move the second criteria to the second row of the query grid

Rgds
Robin Lawrence

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: 06 November 2003 05:00
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Testing for NULLS in a Query


Hello all
I have a Table that holds a swag of various ID's called tblResults
Many fields but of interest here is...
StudentID, AwardID, CourseID, SubjectID, AssessmentID all Numbers (Long
Int)

I perform an append query if the one of the ID's is missing 
(using IS NULL in the criteria as per the find Unmatched Query Wizard)

So I have a student (StudentID = 2 ) who does as assessment
(AssessmentID = 55)

Quite simply if there is no occurence of the Assessment ID 55 (ie Is
null in the Criteria of the Append Query)
Excellent then the Append query sparks up and all is well.

Small snag though. Many students may sit assessment no 55.  So there may
be no occurence of AssessmentID 55
for student no 2 but there may be an occurence of it for say...Student
Number 1 or others

As a result the Is Null Criteria is false and doesn't spark the append
query Because there IS an assessment 55 in the 
Results Table only it belongs to Student no 1 not student no 2

How do I test for Null in 2 fields in order to spark up the append
query.
IE there may be an AssesmentID of 55 in the table but for Student ID 1 
So...
How do I test for Is Null Assessment ID 55 AND isNull student ID2
I have discovered it is not as simple as putting Is Null in the Critera
for Assessment ID and Is Null for Criteria For Student ID
I have also tried  IsNull([tblResults]![AssesmentID]) And
IsNull([tblResults]![StudentID]) no joy

Many thanks in advance


Darren




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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov  6 13:30:33 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:30:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db
In-Reply-To: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE0E2@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEKGFJAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I have a client where more and more processes need to be run automatically.
Basically they need to send (email) reports to various clients
automatically, receive reports and process spreadsheet attachments etc.

I am trying to design a generic process system where the processes can be
table driven.  I would like this code to be a referenced wizard such that I
have a FE if you will that has code in it that creates these reports and
knows how to email them out.  It has tables where it places data such as
time / date to run the process and what function to call that is the process
to run.  It starts the wizard which loads the processes and at the correct
time runs each process.

The problem is that the process code is in the FE.  The FE is starting a
wizard and thus has to reference the wizard.  The wizard has to call a
function back in the FE.  This is a circular reference and Access doesn't
like circular references.  I read stuff about circular references ages ago
but can't find anything anymore.  I vaguely recall something about as long
as the modules are divided us such that the calls out and back in don't
occur into the same module it could be done.

Or I hallucinated that.

Not sure which and can't find anything on it anymore.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing
the db


Can you define "without referencing"?  Shell, DDE, mental telepathy?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:08 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db


Is it possible to call a function in another database without referencing
that db?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Nov  6 13:38:08 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:38:08 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the 
	db
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022274EC@main2.marlow.com>

With automation, you can call a function in another instance of Access.  I
believe it's 'CallFunction' (little hazy this morning).  You can also grab
an existing instance of Access.  So would grabbing an existing instance of
Access, then using the CallFunction through automation work?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing
the db


I have a client where more and more processes need to be run automatically.
Basically they need to send (email) reports to various clients
automatically, receive reports and process spreadsheet attachments etc.

I am trying to design a generic process system where the processes can be
table driven.  I would like this code to be a referenced wizard such that I
have a FE if you will that has code in it that creates these reports and
knows how to email them out.  It has tables where it places data such as
time / date to run the process and what function to call that is the process
to run.  It starts the wizard which loads the processes and at the correct
time runs each process.

The problem is that the process code is in the FE.  The FE is starting a
wizard and thus has to reference the wizard.  The wizard has to call a
function back in the FE.  This is a circular reference and Access doesn't
like circular references.  I read stuff about circular references ages ago
but can't find anything anymore.  I vaguely recall something about as long
as the modules are divided us such that the calls out and back in don't
occur into the same module it could be done.

Or I hallucinated that.

Not sure which and can't find anything on it anymore.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing
the db


Can you define "without referencing"?  Shell, DDE, mental telepathy?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:08 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db


Is it possible to call a function in another database without referencing
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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  6 13:43:59 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 12:43:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db
Message-ID: <Sea2-F439CJheugV2Dr000744b0@hotmail.com>

As an attempt at a possible solution, I defined a function that was called 
by a query in mdb1.  I then created a query in mdb2 named functionName with 
an IN clause that referenced the query in mdb1 and it returned an "Undefined 
function 'functionName' in Expression' message.  I then defined a different 
function with the name 'functionName' in mdb2 and ran the query in mdb2 and 
the resulting recordset used the calculation from mdb2 while the function in 
mdb1 was not called.

In any event, using a query with a calculated field that calculates one time 
is not able to call a function in its own container mdb as I had thought it 
might.  The function must be defined in the application.  I can't imagine 
any other way of trying this without a reference to the container 
application.  Good luck but you will probably have to create the reference 
on the fly.

Hen

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>Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:08:20 -0500
>
>Is it possible to call a function in another database without referencing
>that db?
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Nov  6 13:55:27 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:55:27 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Re: Read-Only error message opening database
In-Reply-To: <200311060852.hA68qp629349@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031106133601.028d7e58@pop3.highstream.net>

Terry,

Have you converted the MDBs from 97 to 2000.
That may be the reason they are getting me message.

Also, how are your permissions setup on SQL Server?

Have you thought of changing to ADPs?

Robert

At 02:52 AM 11/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Date: Thu,  6 Nov 2003 15:02:58 +1300
>From: access at tlcbc.com.au
>Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only error message opening database
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Message-ID: <1068084178.3fa9abd2322e1 at 210.55.105.82>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>
>Hi!
>
>I have just found this list so apologies if this question has been asked 
>before
>(couldn't see it in the archives).
>
>We have a database that is stored on a shared network drive with the data
>itself in an SQL Server backend.  For security reasons the majority of users
>have read-only access to the network drive where the database is 
>stored.  With
>Access 97 this worked fine but the database has recently been upgraded to
>Access 2000 and now the users receive a message when they open the database
>stating that it is read-only so they won't be able to save their changes 
>(which
>is incorrect as, of course, the updates are done on the SQL server which they
>do have write access to).  Not a major problem but very annoying and 
>confusing
>for the users.
>
>Does anyone know how to disable this error message under Access 2000?
>
>Thanks,
>Terry Bradford



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov  6 14:04:12 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:04:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3F3@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

John, 

Why don't you just put the generic code you need into a code library and
reference that from both your application and your generic process?  It
sounds like you've got a snake swallowing its tail.  Wizards are
supposed to be freestanding.  They shouldn't call processes in the FE
for the very reason you're tripping over.  Make the FE use the wizard,
not the other way around, or use a code library.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing
the db


I have a client where more and more processes need to be run
automatically. Basically they need to send (email) reports to various
clients automatically, receive reports and process spreadsheet
attachments etc.

I am trying to design a generic process system where the processes can
be table driven.  I would like this code to be a referenced wizard such
that I have a FE if you will that has code in it that creates these
reports and knows how to email them out.  It has tables where it places
data such as time / date to run the process and what function to call
that is the process to run.  It starts the wizard which loads the
processes and at the correct time runs each process.

The problem is that the process code is in the FE.  The FE is starting a
wizard and thus has to reference the wizard.  The wizard has to call a
function back in the FE.  This is a circular reference and Access
doesn't like circular references.  I read stuff about circular
references ages ago but can't find anything anymore.  I vaguely recall
something about as long as the modules are divided us such that the
calls out and back in don't occur into the same module it could be done.

Or I hallucinated that.

Not sure which and can't find anything on it anymore.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing
the db


Can you define "without referencing"?  Shell, DDE, mental telepathy?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:08 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db


Is it possible to call a function in another database without
referencing that db?

John W. Colby
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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Thu Nov  6 14:04:13 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:04:13 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the 
	db
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE0E4@TAPPEEXCH01>

Aha!  I see...

The Access.Application object has a method called "Run" that will allow
external applications to execute global procedures.  If the wizard knew the
filepath of the FE, it could reference it in a procedure using GetObject:

Dim objAccFE As Object
Set objAccFE = GetObject(mstrAccFEPath, "Access.Application")
objAccFE.Run "ProcName", "Arg1", "Arg2"
Set objAccFE = Nothing

By setting procedure-level object references and destroying them when you're
done, you shouldn't have any problems with circular references.

Also, a nice feature of the Run method is that the procedure name and
arguments can come from variables or table data, giving you complete
flexibility in a "table-driven" system.


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing
the db


I have a client where more and more processes need to be run automatically.
Basically they need to send (email) reports to various clients
automatically, receive reports and process spreadsheet attachments etc.

I am trying to design a generic process system where the processes can be
table driven.  I would like this code to be a referenced wizard such that I
have a FE if you will that has code in it that creates these reports and
knows how to email them out.  It has tables where it places data such as
time / date to run the process and what function to call that is the process
to run.  It starts the wizard which loads the processes and at the correct
time runs each process.

The problem is that the process code is in the FE.  The FE is starting a
wizard and thus has to reference the wizard.  The wizard has to call a
function back in the FE.  This is a circular reference and Access doesn't
like circular references.  I read stuff about circular references ages ago
but can't find anything anymore.  I vaguely recall something about as long
as the modules are divided us such that the calls out and back in don't
occur into the same module it could be done.

Or I hallucinated that.

Not sure which and can't find anything on it anymore.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing
the db


Can you define "without referencing"?  Shell, DDE, mental telepathy?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:08 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db


Is it possible to call a function in another database without referencing
that db?

John W. Colby
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Nov  6 14:06:31 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:06:31 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Re: OT: Corrupted database
In-Reply-To: <200311060852.hA68qp629349@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031106135723.029ad340@pop3.highstream.net>

Jim,

Personally, I do everything bound.  I have an Access 2 db that is still 
running with up to 80 concurrent users and a size of about 500 meg.  In 
every application I do, no one shares a FE db.  I have one attaching to SQL 
Server that the BE is about 1.5 gig.  One table is over 3/4 of a million 
records.  No problems.  I am currently working on moving it to an ADP and 
then to an ASP.NET application.

And, since when is Access not based on SQL technology????

Robert

At 02:52 AM 11/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 19:32:13 -0800
>From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Corrupted database
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKEHLCPAA.accessd at shaw.ca>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Hi John and Stuart:
>
>Not trying to re-kindle the bound/unbound debate but as most of my contracts
>are with the local provincial government and they have a specific rule. All
>databases with greater than ten users must be build on SQL technology. That
>technology extends to Oracle and sometime MS SQL and unbound forms.
>Therefore, I have little opportunity experiment with Access environments
>with a large user base. The closest I came to a significant bound Access
>database was a private client with just under twenty users but they moved
>their server to Linux and subsequently a MySQL BE.
>
>Maybe all these concerns with larger Access bound form applications, are
>part of a local urban legend, or Database companies and DBAs who wish to
>promote the myth to their own end but I for one have not had great memories
>with a couple of applications. Once burned...twice shy.
>
>My two cents worth
>Jim



From lists at theopg.com  Thu Nov  6 14:19:05 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:19:05 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Passive shutdown.... Driving me mad
In-Reply-To: <006401c3a3b5$2aaf1070$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <001501c3a4a3$455ad0f0$590b6bd5@netboxxp>

Hi all...

I have a database (Access XP 2002 format) on widows XP, data in a
separate backend etc. When I try to connect to the front-end (generating
reports using ADO in Excel from temp data stored in the FE) I get the
following message:

"The database has been placed in a state by user on machine 
that prevents it from being opened or locked. (Error 3734)
This error occurs when the new passive shutdown/connection control is
being
used. This error message indicates that a user set the database in a
mode
that will prevent other users from opening it."

I have looked in the help and searched the archives and can't figure it
out. The backends access, not SQL Server, I'm the only user (at present)
and I haven't opened the database exclusively or messed with this
"damned" connection control...

Any one out there know whats going on? (apart from me climbing the walls
that is)

Cheers

Mark

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Nov  6 14:23:11 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:23:11 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the 
	 db
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022274ED@main2.marlow.com>

There ya go.  Run.  New I had it wrong....but hey, just starting my first
cup of coffee right now.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing
the db


Aha!  I see...

The Access.Application object has a method called "Run" that will allow
external applications to execute global procedures.  If the wizard knew the
filepath of the FE, it could reference it in a procedure using GetObject:

Dim objAccFE As Object
Set objAccFE = GetObject(mstrAccFEPath, "Access.Application")
objAccFE.Run "ProcName", "Arg1", "Arg2"
Set objAccFE = Nothing

By setting procedure-level object references and destroying them when you're
done, you shouldn't have any problems with circular references.

Also, a nice feature of the Run method is that the procedure name and
arguments can come from variables or table data, giving you complete
flexibility in a "table-driven" system.


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing
the db


I have a client where more and more processes need to be run automatically.
Basically they need to send (email) reports to various clients
automatically, receive reports and process spreadsheet attachments etc.

I am trying to design a generic process system where the processes can be
table driven.  I would like this code to be a referenced wizard such that I
have a FE if you will that has code in it that creates these reports and
knows how to email them out.  It has tables where it places data such as
time / date to run the process and what function to call that is the process
to run.  It starts the wizard which loads the processes and at the correct
time runs each process.

The problem is that the process code is in the FE.  The FE is starting a
wizard and thus has to reference the wizard.  The wizard has to call a
function back in the FE.  This is a circular reference and Access doesn't
like circular references.  I read stuff about circular references ages ago
but can't find anything anymore.  I vaguely recall something about as long
as the modules are divided us such that the calls out and back in don't
occur into the same module it could be done.

Or I hallucinated that.

Not sure which and can't find anything on it anymore.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing
the db


Can you define "without referencing"?  Shell, DDE, mental telepathy?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:08 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] running code in a database without referencing the db


Is it possible to call a function in another database without referencing
that db?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  6 15:02:17 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 15:02:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Omit Records from Report Total
Message-ID: <BAY2-F125tIaFwMteZy00009b2f@hotmail.com>

I would do this with a query over the table with a second field for the 
Amount that had a value of something like;

AmountForNotLost: iif([ProposalStatus] = 'Lost',0,[Amount[)

and then use that query as the record source for the report and just total 
on the AmountForNotLost instead of - or in addition to the regulare Amount 
field.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com



>From: "Mark Boyd" <MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Omit Records from Report Total
>Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:12:26 -0500
>
>I have a table with 3 fields: [Office], [ProposalStatus], and [Amount].
>
>In my report, I group on [Office], with [ProposalStatus] and [Amount] in
>the Detail section.
>
>In the [Office] Footer, I have a textbox with a control source of
>'=Sum([Amount])'.
>
>However, I have been informed that this textbox should not include
>records with a [ProposalStatus] of 'Lost'.
>
>Therefore, I need the textbox to be the total amount of all records that
>have a [ProposalStatus] <> 'Lost'.
>
>
>
>Is there any way to do this?
>
>
>
>Mark Boyd
>
>Sr. Systems Analyst
>
>McBee Associates, Inc.
>
>
>
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From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Thu Nov  6 15:11:09 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 15:11:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Re: A2K: Testing for NULLS in a Query
In-Reply-To: <200311060852.hA68qp629349@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031106150634.02921e88@pop3.highstream.net>

Darren,

I would do it in code and not in queries.

The first one would be a recordset for each student.

SELECT StudentID FROM tblStudent:
Go to the first record
loop until rs1.eof
check in a second recordset for the Assessment for that StudentID
SELECT * FROM tblAssessment WHERE StudentID = rs1!StudentID
if rs2.bof and rs2.eof   ' no records found
         then append the record
end if
move to the next record of rs1
loop back up

there it is in pseudo-code.

Robert

At 02:52 AM 11/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:00:10 +1100
>From: "Darren DICK" <d.dick at uws.edu.au>
>Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Testing for NULLS in a Query
>To: "AccessD List" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <00f101c3a422$dba47f60$3c619a89 at DDICK>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Hello all
>I have a Table that holds a swag of various ID's called tblResults
>Many fields but of interest here is...
>StudentID, AwardID, CourseID, SubjectID, AssessmentID all Numbers (Long Int)
>
>I perform an append query if the one of the ID's is missing
>(using IS NULL in the criteria as per the find Unmatched Query Wizard)
>
>So I have a student (StudentID = 2 ) who does as assessment (AssessmentID 
>= 55)
>
>Quite simply if there is no occurence of the Assessment ID 55 (ie Is null 
>in the Criteria of the Append Query)
>Excellent then the Append query sparks up and all is well.
>
>Small snag though. Many students may sit assessment no 55.  So there may 
>be no occurence of AssessmentID 55
>for student no 2 but there may be an occurence of it for say...Student 
>Number 1 or others
>
>As a result the Is Null Criteria is false and doesn't spark the append 
>query Because there IS an assessment 55 in the
>Results Table only it belongs to Student no 1 not student no 2
>
>How do I test for Null in 2 fields in order to spark up the append query.
>IE there may be an AssesmentID of 55 in the table but for Student ID 1
>So...
>How do I test for Is Null Assessment ID 55 AND isNull student ID2
>I have discovered it is not as simple as putting Is Null in the Critera 
>for Assessment ID and Is Null for Criteria For Student ID
>I have also tried  IsNull([tblResults]![AssesmentID]) And 
>IsNull([tblResults]![StudentID]) no joy
>
>Many thanks in advance
>
>
>Darren



From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Thu Nov  6 15:12:26 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:12:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Omit Records from Report Total
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D18987C@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Gary -
That's a good idea.  I actually created a new field and updated it with
the same criteria you are using.  Then, I used this new field for the
totals.
Although, your idea involves less work.

Thanks,
Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Kjos [mailto:garykjos at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 4:02 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Omit Records from Report Total

I would do this with a query over the table with a second field for the 
Amount that had a value of something like;

AmountForNotLost: iif([ProposalStatus] = 'Lost',0,[Amount[)

and then use that query as the record source for the report and just
total 
on the AmountForNotLost instead of - or in addition to the regulare
Amount 
field.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com



>From: "Mark Boyd" <MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Omit Records from Report Total
>Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:12:26 -0500
>
>I have a table with 3 fields: [Office], [ProposalStatus], and [Amount].
>
>In my report, I group on [Office], with [ProposalStatus] and [Amount]
in
>the Detail section.
>
>In the [Office] Footer, I have a textbox with a control source of
>'=Sum([Amount])'.
>
>However, I have been informed that this textbox should not include
>records with a [ProposalStatus] of 'Lost'.
>
>Therefore, I need the textbox to be the total amount of all records
that
>have a [ProposalStatus] <> 'Lost'.
>
>
>
>Is there any way to do this?
>
>
>
>Mark Boyd
>
>Sr. Systems Analyst
>
>McBee Associates, Inc.
>
>
>
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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Thu Nov  6 15:22:27 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:22:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Median Number
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHGEIBEPAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

Anyone have a good way to find the median value in a table of unkown number
of records?

I can't find anything in Access and I have some ideas, but I hate to
re-invent the wheel.

Thanks.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com




From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Thu Nov  6 15:40:16 2003
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:40:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Median Number
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D1701E05047@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Rueben,
Take a look at this link:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;DA;q210581 


Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


-----Original Message-----
From: Reuben Cummings [mailto:reuben at gfconsultants.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 4:22 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Median Number


Anyone have a good way to find the median value in a table of unkown
number
of records?

I can't find anything in Access and I have some ideas, but I hate to
re-invent the wheel.

Thanks.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com



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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Nov  6 15:46:38 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:46:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
Message-ID: <027d01c3a4af$74ef7cb0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an application into a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user manual. Its for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.  

I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very little formatting and graphics.  

The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and lines.  And since the manual changes I don't want to go through that handcrafting this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can crop and zoom etc.

Does anyone know how this can be done?

Regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov  6 15:58:11 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:58:11 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312425@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I don't know of any easy way.  We do screen captures of ours for that
purpose, since rtf is useless for graphics.  Or you can print them to a
pdf printer .

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:47 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word


Dear List:

I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an application into
a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user manual. Its
for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.  

I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
little formatting and graphics.  

The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and lines.  And
since the manual changes I don't want to go through that handcrafting
this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can crop and zoom
etc.

Does anyone know how this can be done?

Regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software _______________________________________________
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov  6 16:39:23 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 08:39:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Omit Records from Report Total
In-Reply-To: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D781F@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Message-ID: <3FAB5A3B.23650.1ED3C7@localhost>

Use: 

=Sum(IIf([ProposalStatus]="Lost",0,[Amount])

On 6 Nov 2003 at 11:12, Mark Boyd wrote:

> I have a table with 3 fields: [Office], [ProposalStatus], and [Amount].
> 
> In my report, I group on [Office], with [ProposalStatus] and [Amount] in
> the Detail section.
> 
> In the [Office] Footer, I have a textbox with a control source of
> '=Sum([Amount])'.
> 
> However, I have been informed that this textbox should not include
> records with a [ProposalStatus] of 'Lost'.
> 
> Therefore, I need the textbox to be the total amount of all records that
> have a [ProposalStatus] <> 'Lost'.
> 
>  
> 
> Is there any way to do this?
> 
>  
> 
> Mark Boyd
> 
> Sr. Systems Analyst
> 
> McBee Associates, Inc.
> 
>  
> 
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From sgoodhall at comcast.net  Thu Nov  6 17:55:39 2003
From: sgoodhall at comcast.net (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:55:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Access Traffic Query
In-Reply-To: <3FAAD907.13187.768AC@localhost>
Message-ID: <GOEIJOAPGAMPLIOCMEPMAEMDCLAA.sgoodhall@comcast.net>

A couple of points (3 actually)

1. Even if you split it, the processing will still all take place on the
desktop.  The primary benefits of splitting have to do compressibility and
version control.
2. It is a good idea to split it anyway, and not that tough.
3. Even if you use SQL or MSDE, it is still pretty easy to mess it up so
that the processing takes place on the desktop.

Regards,

Steve Goodhall


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 8:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Access Traffic Query


On 6 Nov 2003 at 13:24, paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:

> To all, We have a Win2000 Server network with Office XP Professional
> using Access XP, we don't have a front-end or back-end to this system
> (I inherited it, lucky me).  So everyone has a shortcut to the .mdb on
> the Server, when a query is run on the .mdb is it the Server that will
> do the processing or the desktop unit of the user ? Anybody know how it
> actually works, cause I may have to modify the Aplication. Paul

The  desktop does all the processing.

It is behaving exactly it would if the application was on a local
disk (only it takes longer to pull everything over the network than
it would from a local drive).
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From scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com  Thu Nov  6 19:03:54 2003
From: scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com (Steve Capistrant)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:03:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312425@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGAELLDAAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>

Help!!  Our main database has been corrupted, displaying this:

" Run-time Error '-2147417848 (80010108): Method 'SourceObject' of object
'_SubForm' failed "

from a variety of contexts.  How do I shake it?   Nothing in MSKB.  We're
using Source Safe, and even totally rebuilt versions still have the
corruption, and it happens on all workstations.  Triggered on lines like
this:
forms!frmPerson!subSection.ControlSource = "frmPerson_SubVolunteer"

Steve Capistrant
Symphony Information Services
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 763-391-7400
7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
Brooklyn Park, MN 55428




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov  6 19:28:33 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:28:33 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3F4@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Is that the literal error message, or do 'SourceObject' and '_SubForm'
stand as placeholders?   What version of Access are you using and What
file format?  Are you getting the message when someone attempts to run
the application using the runtime engine or is it an error that
*happens* at runtime?  Is the error triggered on methods like
"ControlSource" or did you mean "SourceObject" rather than what you
typed?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Capistrant [mailto:scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...


Help!!  Our main database has been corrupted, displaying this:

" Run-time Error '-2147417848 (80010108): Method 'SourceObject' of
object '_SubForm' failed "

from a variety of contexts.  How do I shake it?   Nothing in MSKB.
We're
using Source Safe, and even totally rebuilt versions still have the
corruption, and it happens on all workstations.  Triggered on lines like
this:
forms!frmPerson!subSection.ControlSource = "frmPerson_SubVolunteer"

Steve Capistrant
Symphony Information Services
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 763-391-7400
7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
Brooklyn Park, MN 55428



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From scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com  Thu Nov  6 19:28:56 2003
From: scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com (Steve Capistrant)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:28:56 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...
In-Reply-To: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGAELLDAAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>
Message-ID: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGOELLDAAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>

And I've started from scratch using a virgin database and importing all
objects. Still no go.

Steve Capistrant
Symphony Information Services
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 763-391-7400
7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
Brooklyn Park, MN 55428

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steve
Capistrant
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...


Help!!  Our main database has been corrupted, displaying this:

" Run-time Error '-2147417848 (80010108): Method 'SourceObject' of object
'_SubForm' failed "

from a variety of contexts.  How do I shake it?   Nothing in MSKB.  We're
using Source Safe, and even totally rebuilt versions still have the
corruption, and it happens on all workstations.  Triggered on lines like
this:
forms!frmPerson!subSection.ControlSource = "frmPerson_SubVolunteer"

Steve Capistrant
Symphony Information Services
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 763-391-7400
7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
Brooklyn Park, MN 55428



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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Nov  6 19:44:44 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:44:44 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Passive shutdown.... Driving me mad
References: <001501c3a4a3$455ad0f0$590b6bd5@netboxxp>
Message-ID: <3FAAF90C.5030006@shaw.ca>

Some things to check

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=274211
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=198756

On some versions of Access when you use "File | Open..." instead of 
using the  shortcut, you will see a
checkbox on the file open dialog with "Exclusive" next to  it. Make sure 
you don't open the db with this  checked.


Error 3734  This error occurs when the new passive
shutdown / connection control is being used.   This indicates that a user
set the database in a mode that prevents other database users from opening
it."

         When all users close the database, is there a locking file left
behind? It will be in the same folder as your database with the same name
and the extension .ldb. Delete it this file, it should be deleted when the
last user closes the database. You may need to reboot if windows will not
let you delete the file.

           If this does not resolve the problem, you may wish to create a
new database and import all objects from the old database in case the
database file is corrupted.

Related article:
Q274211 - PRB: Error Msg. 3734 Occurs When You Repeatedly Open & Close MDB

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q274/2/11.asp


MarkH wrote:

>Hi all...
>
>I have a database (Access XP 2002 format) on widows XP, data in a
>separate backend etc. When I try to connect to the front-end (generating
>reports using ADO in Excel from temp data stored in the FE) I get the
>following message:
>
>"The database has been placed in a state by user on machine 
>that prevents it from being opened or locked. (Error 3734)
>This error occurs when the new passive shutdown/connection control is
>being
>used. This error message indicates that a user set the database in a
>mode
>that will prevent other users from opening it."
>
>I have looked in the help and searched the archives and can't figure it
>out. The backends access, not SQL Server, I'm the only user (at present)
>and I haven't opened the database exclusively or messed with this
>"damned" connection control...
>
>Any one out there know whats going on? (apart from me climbing the walls
>that is)
>
>Cheers
>
>Mark
>
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From scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com  Thu Nov  6 19:55:18 2003
From: scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com (Steve Capistrant)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:55:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3F4@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGKELNDAAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>

Charlotte,

1. Yes, that's the literal message, referring to object names that are not
found anywhere in my code or object set.
2.  Using Access 2000.
3.  I don't understand your distinction about runtime engines.  The app
compiles cleanly, and compacts without complaint.  But when I start hitting
a few areas with subforms, I get a hailstorm of these errors.  I can turn on
error pausing and see where it trips up, and the code lines are all
different, but they do have the common thread of assigning various subform
names to the container form's subform's SourceObject.
4.  Oops, you are right -- I meant "SourceObject".  The offending lines read
like:
forms!frmPerson!subSection.SourceObject = "frmPerson_SubVolunteer"

Steve Capistrant
Symphony Information Services
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 763-391-7400
7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
Brooklyn Park, MN 55428

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...


Is that the literal error message, or do 'SourceObject' and '_SubForm'
stand as placeholders?   What version of Access are you using and What
file format?  Are you getting the message when someone attempts to run
the application using the runtime engine or is it an error that
*happens* at runtime?  Is the error triggered on methods like
"ControlSource" or did you mean "SourceObject" rather than what you
typed?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Capistrant [mailto:scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...


Help!!  Our main database has been corrupted, displaying this:

" Run-time Error '-2147417848 (80010108): Method 'SourceObject' of
object '_SubForm' failed "

from a variety of contexts.  How do I shake it?   Nothing in MSKB.
We're
using Source Safe, and even totally rebuilt versions still have the
corruption, and it happens on all workstations.  Triggered on lines like
this:
forms!frmPerson!subSection.ControlSource = "frmPerson_SubVolunteer"

Steve Capistrant
Symphony Information Services
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 763-391-7400
7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
Brooklyn Park, MN 55428



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From GordonS2 at pacbell.net  Thu Nov  6 23:41:40 2003
From: GordonS2 at pacbell.net (Gordon Stubbs)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:41:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
In-Reply-To: <027d01c3a4af$74ef7cb0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <000701c3a4f1$d2c97ec0$0200a8c0@Home1>

Rocky,

I use ScreenHunter. This program lets me capture any screen by full
screen, active window or by click and drag.  The program will auto name
the files using a base name and a changing number to any directory I
want.  The program saves In Bitmap, Jpeg or Gif formats.

I then import them into word and size them  and write my manual around
them.

The best part is the program is free, they also have a paid version that
does more.

You can go to their website  http://www.wisdom-soft.com/ or email me at
my address GordonS at GSDbSolutions.com and I'll send the free program to
you.\
The program is 381KB in size.


Gordon



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:47 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word

Dear List:

I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an application into
a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user manual. Its
for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.  

I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
little formatting and graphics.  

The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and lines.  And
since the manual changes I don't want to go through that handcrafting
this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can crop and zoom
etc.

Does anyone know how this can be done?

Regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov  6 20:57:23 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:57:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
In-Reply-To: <000701c3a4f1$d2c97ec0$0200a8c0@Home1>
References: <027d01c3a4af$74ef7cb0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <3FAB96B3.31294.B69EF@localhost>

The freeware Irfanview is also a good tool for this sort of thing.
http://www.irfanview.com

On 6 Nov 2003 at 21:41, Gordon Stubbs wrote:

> Rocky,
> 
> I use ScreenHunter. This program lets me capture any screen by full
> screen, active window or by click and drag.  The program will auto name
> the files using a base name and a changing number to any directory I
> want.  The program saves In Bitmap, Jpeg or Gif formats.
> 
> I then import them into word and size them  and write my manual around
> them.
> 
> The best part is the program is free, they also have a paid version that
> does more.
> 
> You can go to their website  http://www.wisdom-soft.com/ or email me at
> my address GordonS at GSDbSolutions.com and I'll send the free program to
> you.\
> The program is 381KB in size.
> 
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:47 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> 
> Dear List:
> 
> I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an application into
> a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user manual. Its
> for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.  
> 
> I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
> it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
> little formatting and graphics.  
> 
> The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and lines.  And
> since the manual changes I don't want to go through that handcrafting
> this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
> footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
> directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can crop and zoom
> etc.
> 
> Does anyone know how this can be done?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Nov  6 21:41:57 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:41:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
References: <000701c3a4f1$d2c97ec0$0200a8c0@Home1>
Message-ID: <03ca01c3a4e1$18379ac0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Gordon and Stuart:

I've tried the screen captures but they didn't work.  Most of the reports
are in landscape and by the time I display the whole page on the screen the
resolution is too low to make a good printable page in a word doc.

What I really need is a way to output the report to a format that can be
imported into Word - like a jpg format, perhaps.  I tried snapview but the
.snp format isn't compatible with anything.  I tried cutepdf but the .pdf
format isn't compatible with anything either. :(


Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gordon Stubbs" <GordonS2 at pacbell.net>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:41 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word


> Rocky,
>
> I use ScreenHunter. This program lets me capture any screen by full
> screen, active window or by click and drag.  The program will auto name
> the files using a base name and a changing number to any directory I
> want.  The program saves In Bitmap, Jpeg or Gif formats.
>
> I then import them into word and size them  and write my manual around
> them.
>
> The best part is the program is free, they also have a paid version that
> does more.
>
> You can go to their website  http://www.wisdom-soft.com/ or email me at
> my address GordonS at GSDbSolutions.com and I'll send the free program to
> you.\
> The program is 381KB in size.
>
>
> Gordon
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:47 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
>
> Dear List:
>
> I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an application into
> a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user manual. Its
> for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.
>
> I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
> it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
> little formatting and graphics.
>
> The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and lines.  And
> since the manual changes I don't want to go through that handcrafting
> this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
> footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
> directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can crop and zoom
> etc.
>
> Does anyone know how this can be done?
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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>


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Nov  6 22:23:31 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:23:31 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312425@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <03e901c3a4e6$e6ecae50$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Charlotte:

I tried printing to pdf using cutepdf and it worked real well except now how
do I get it into a word doc for the manual?  Is there a way to do that?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:58 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word


> I don't know of any easy way.  We do screen captures of ours for that
> purpose, since rtf is useless for graphics.  Or you can print them to a
> pdf printer .
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:47 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an application into
> a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user manual. Its
> for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.
>
> I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
> it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
> little formatting and graphics.
>
> The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and lines.  And
> since the manual changes I don't want to go through that handcrafting
> this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
> footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
> directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can crop and zoom
> etc.
>
> Does anyone know how this can be done?
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software _______________________________________________
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov  6 22:31:24 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 23:31:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
References: 	<E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312425@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
	<03e901c3a4e6$e6ecae50$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <000c01c3a4e8$10b60c80$210110ac@SUSANONE>

Doesn't CutePDF export?

Susan H.


> Charlotte:
>
> I tried printing to pdf using cutepdf and it worked real well except now
how
> do I get it into a word doc for the manual?  Is there a way to do that?
>



From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Thu Nov  6 22:50:33 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:50:33 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
In-Reply-To: <03e901c3a4e6$e6ecae50$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuWkgX8A@pacific.net.hk>

Just did a quick search.

While this isn't free, it seems to do what you need.

http://www.print-driver.com/

What it does is install a new printer driver.  When you choose to print to this,
it will render the print output to an image file.

There maybe a free alterative if someone does a search. I found another one that
is shareware. 
http://www.newfreeware.com/search.php3?q=image+print+driver

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, 07 November, 2003 12:24 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> 
> 
> Charlotte:
> 
> I tried printing to pdf using cutepdf and it worked real well 
> except now how
> do I get it into a word doc for the manual?  Is there a way 
> to do that?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:58 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> 
> 
> > I don't know of any easy way.  We do screen captures of 
> ours for that
> > purpose, since rtf is useless for graphics.  Or you can 
> print them to a
> > pdf printer .
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:47 PM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an 
> application into
> > a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user 
> manual. Its
> > for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.
> >
> > I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
> > it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
> > little formatting and graphics.
> >
> > The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and 
> lines.  And
> > since the manual changes I don't want to go through that 
> handcrafting
> > this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
> > footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
> > directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can 
> crop and zoom
> > etc.
> >
> > Does anyone know how this can be done?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software 
> _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Nov  6 22:59:20 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 20:59:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...
References: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGKELNDAAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>
Message-ID: <3FAB26A8.3050601@shaw.ca>

I just wonder if it could be something along these lines
To refer to a control on a subform, use the following syntax:

Forms![main form name]![subform control name].Form![control name]

It is important to note that you cannot refer to controls on a subform 
with the following syntax:
Forms![subform name]![control name]

This is because a subform on a main form is not a form, but is a control 
just like a text box or a list box. You must refer to a subform as a 
control rather than a form, and specify the Form identifier following 
the subform control name reference to gain access to the controls on a 
subform.

ACC2000: How to Refer to a Control on a Subform or Subreport
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;209099&Product=acc
Steve Capistrant wrote:

>Charlotte,
>
>1. Yes, that's the literal message, referring to object names that are not
>found anywhere in my code or object set.
>2.  Using Access 2000.
>3.  I don't understand your distinction about runtime engines.  The app
>compiles cleanly, and compacts without complaint.  But when I start hitting
>a few areas with subforms, I get a hailstorm of these errors.  I can turn on
>error pausing and see where it trips up, and the code lines are all
>different, but they do have the common thread of assigning various subform
>names to the container form's subform's SourceObject.
>4.  Oops, you are right -- I meant "SourceObject".  The offending lines read
>like:
>forms!frmPerson!subSection.SourceObject = "frmPerson_SubVolunteer"
>
>Steve Capistrant
>Symphony Information Services
>scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
>www.symphonyinfo.com
>Phone: 763-391-7400
>7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
>Brooklyn Park, MN 55428
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:29 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...
>
>
>Is that the literal error message, or do 'SourceObject' and '_SubForm'
>stand as placeholders?   What version of Access are you using and What
>file format?  Are you getting the message when someone attempts to run
>the application using the runtime engine or is it an error that
>*happens* at runtime?  Is the error triggered on methods like
>"ControlSource" or did you mean "SourceObject" rather than what you
>typed?
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Capistrant [mailto:scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com]
>Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:04 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...
>
>
>Help!!  Our main database has been corrupted, displaying this:
>
>" Run-time Error '-2147417848 (80010108): Method 'SourceObject' of
>object '_SubForm' failed "
>
>from a variety of contexts.  How do I shake it?   Nothing in MSKB.
>We're
>using Source Safe, and even totally rebuilt versions still have the
>corruption, and it happens on all workstations.  Triggered on lines like
>this:
>forms!frmPerson!subSection.ControlSource = "frmPerson_SubVolunteer"
>
>Steve Capistrant
>Symphony Information Services
>scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
>www.symphonyinfo.com
>Phone: 763-391-7400
>7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
>Brooklyn Park, MN 55428
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Nov  6 23:44:29 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:44:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
References: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuWkgX8A@pacific.net.hk>
Message-ID: <043b01c3a4f2$3692ff30$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Stuart:

Thanks for the links.  The second one looks like a screen capture so I don't
think it will do but the first one seems to work well in the demo.  It's $70
for the business version, but I may have to bite that bullet if I can't
figure another way.  It makes very nice jpg files which you can import to
word and stretch to fit the page.

Regards,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 8:50 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word


Just did a quick search.

While this isn't free, it seems to do what you need.

http://www.print-driver.com/

What it does is install a new printer driver.  When you choose to print to
this,
it will render the print output to an image file.

There maybe a free alterative if someone does a search. I found another one
that
is shareware.
http://www.newfreeware.com/search.php3?q=image+print+driver

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, 07 November, 2003 12:24 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
>
>
> Charlotte:
>
> I tried printing to pdf using cutepdf and it worked real well
> except now how
> do I get it into a word doc for the manual?  Is there a way
> to do that?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:58 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
>
>
> > I don't know of any easy way.  We do screen captures of
> ours for that
> > purpose, since rtf is useless for graphics.  Or you can
> print them to a
> > pdf printer .
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:47 PM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an
> application into
> > a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user
> manual. Its
> > for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.
> >
> > I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
> > it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
> > little formatting and graphics.
> >
> > The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and
> lines.  And
> > since the manual changes I don't want to go through that
> handcrafting
> > this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
> > footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
> > directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can
> crop and zoom
> > etc.
> >
> > Does anyone know how this can be done?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From allcop.pc at t-online.de  Fri Nov  7 01:40:14 2003
From: allcop.pc at t-online.de (Bettina Giehr)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:40:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Re : dynamic Calendar report
In-Reply-To: <200311061800.hA6I0H626404@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3a502$64868140$0933a8c0@allcopgiehr>

Hi Lonnie,

I have worked with the datasphere calendar forms and liked it. It needs
some programming skills though. The price was $99 at the time I bought
it. There's a demo download on the website
I'm not sure whether you can do real calendar printouts, but the forms
are having calendar look and feel.

http://www.datasphere-llc.com

Or maybe you can use Outlook for your needs, I have no experience with
the programming interface for outlook but there are some people on the
list who are gurus...

HTH 
Bettina


From bill.marriott at optusnet.com.au  Fri Nov  7 02:08:43 2003
From: bill.marriott at optusnet.com.au (Bill & Janine Marriott)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:08:43 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] uploading data from an fixed field length txt file
In-Reply-To: <000001c3a502$64868140$0933a8c0@allcopgiehr>
Message-ID: <000001c3a506$5dd17220$4211a4cb@marriott>



Hi Everyone,

I haven't visited this site for a while. Nice to see some old familiar
faces.

Does anyone know where I can look for code samples for uploading data
from a text file into Access xp?

Thanks

Bill Marriott 



From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov  7 03:30:00 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:30:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Median Number
In-Reply-To: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHGEIBEPAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
References: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHGEIBEPAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <1155443056.20031107103000@cactus.dk>

Hi Reuben

> Anyone have a good way to find the median value in a table of unkown number
> of records?

You could look up our own list at 2001-03-06:

<quote>

Sub GetTableMedian ()
  Dim dblMedian As Double
  dblMedian = GetTableMedian ("", "tblData", "FieldName")
  Debug.Print (dblMedian)
End Sub

Function GetTableMedian(strDatabase As String, strTable As String, strField
As String) As Double
  'strDatabase - name of the database to look in or "" for the current
database
  'strTable - name of the table to analyze
  'strField - name of the field to analyze
  'Returns: median

  Dim dbsTemp As Database
  Dim rstTemp As Recordset
  Dim strSQL As String
  Dim lngElements As Long
  Dim lngIndex As Long
  Dim fInterpolate As Boolean
  Dim dblMedian As Double

  If strDatabase = "" Then
    Set dbsTemp = CurrentDb()
  Else
    Set dbsTemp = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).OpenDatabase(strDatabase)
  End If

  strSQL = "SELECT DISTINCTROW [" & strField & "] FROM [" & strTable & "] "
  strSQL = strSQL & "WHERE ([" & strField & "] Is Not Null) "
  strSQL = strSQL & "ORDER BY [" & strField & "];"

  Set rstTemp = dbsTemp.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
  If Not rstTemp.EOF Then
    rstTemp.MoveLast
    lngElements = rstTemp.RecordCount
    If lngElements = 1 Then
      dblMedian = rstTemp(strField)
    Else
      lngIndex = Int((lngElements + 1) / 2)
      fInterpolate = (lngElements Mod 2 = 0)
      rstTemp.MoveFirst
      rstTemp.Move (lngIndex - 1)
      dblMedian = rstTemp(strField)
      If fInterpolate Then
        rstTemp.MoveNext
        dblMedian = (dblMedian + rstTemp(strField)) / 2
      End If
    End If
  Else
    dblMedian = 0
  End If

  rstTemp.Close
  dbsTemp.Close

  GetTableMedian = dblMedian

End Function

William Hindman

</quote>

/gustav


From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Fri Nov  7 03:34:44 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:34:44 -0000 
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BEAC@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Bit late into this topic - sorry.

I think this is caused by Word (and probably other apps.) changing docs to
use your default printer. If you open a doc created or modified by someone
else who has a different default printer, the app. has to reformat it. But
if you are opening and close Word docs "all day long" it does not have to
change the printer setting more than once.

HTH - Chris Foote

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:21 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> 
> 
> On 5 Nov 2003 at 17:07, Ron  Allen wrote:
> 
> > It is wanting to save because the last opened date has 
> > changed, so it sees the document as having been changed. 
> > Annoying, huh?
> 
> Nope. I don't think that this is the reason. I open and close Word 
> docs all day long and only have the Save prompt show up when I 
> actually change the doc or there are fields in the doc that get 
> updated, and I have Word set to update all fields when it opens and 
> prints.
> 
> Docs without fields don't have the prompt for me.
> 
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell
> 

From j.r.porter at strath.ac.uk  Fri Nov  7 04:19:40 2003
From: j.r.porter at strath.ac.uk (John R. Porter)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:19:40 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Median Number
In-Reply-To: <1155443056.20031107103000@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001a01c3a518$a8285700$94249f82@ds.strath.ac.uk>

This can also be done (faster I expect) by a SQL statement without coding
and ADO or DAO as the case may be, though the SQL is quite complex. If you
can get hold of it, there's an excellent article about this in the May 2003
issue of 'Smart Access' magazine. You can get a trial subscription at
http://www.pinpub.com/html/main.isx?sub=29

John R. Porter
I.T. Services
University of Strathclyde
Faculty of Education
76 Southbrae Drive
Glasgow
G13 1PP
e-mail: j.r.porter at strath.ac.uk
Tel. 0141 950 3289


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 07 November 2003 09:30
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Median Number


Hi Reuben

> Anyone have a good way to find the median value in a table of unkown
number
> of records?

You could look up our own list at 2001-03-06:

<quote>

Sub GetTableMedian ()
  Dim dblMedian As Double
  dblMedian = GetTableMedian ("", "tblData", "FieldName")
  Debug.Print (dblMedian)
End Sub

Function GetTableMedian(strDatabase As String, strTable As String, strField
As String) As Double
  'strDatabase - name of the database to look in or "" for the current
database
  'strTable - name of the table to analyze
  'strField - name of the field to analyze
  'Returns: median

  Dim dbsTemp As Database
  Dim rstTemp As Recordset
  Dim strSQL As String
  Dim lngElements As Long
  Dim lngIndex As Long
  Dim fInterpolate As Boolean
  Dim dblMedian As Double

  If strDatabase = "" Then
    Set dbsTemp = CurrentDb()
  Else
    Set dbsTemp = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).OpenDatabase(strDatabase)
  End If

  strSQL = "SELECT DISTINCTROW [" & strField & "] FROM [" & strTable & "] "
  strSQL = strSQL & "WHERE ([" & strField & "] Is Not Null) "
  strSQL = strSQL & "ORDER BY [" & strField & "];"

  Set rstTemp = dbsTemp.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
  If Not rstTemp.EOF Then
    rstTemp.MoveLast
    lngElements = rstTemp.RecordCount
    If lngElements = 1 Then
      dblMedian = rstTemp(strField)
    Else
      lngIndex = Int((lngElements + 1) / 2)
      fInterpolate = (lngElements Mod 2 = 0)
      rstTemp.MoveFirst
      rstTemp.Move (lngIndex - 1)
      dblMedian = rstTemp(strField)
      If fInterpolate Then
        rstTemp.MoveNext
        dblMedian = (dblMedian + rstTemp(strField)) / 2
      End If
    End If
  Else
    dblMedian = 0
  End If

  rstTemp.Close
  dbsTemp.Close

  GetTableMedian = dblMedian

End Function

William Hindman

</quote>

/gustav

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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Fri Nov  7 04:39:55 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 21:39:55 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] uploading data from an fixed field length txt file
References: <000001c3a506$5dd17220$4211a4cb@marriott>
Message-ID: <000f01c3a51b$7cd80de0$97449a89@DDICK>

Hi Bill the cow chaser
Great to see you back
Dunno 'bout AccessXp but A2k and A97 can do it

With a MACRO
Look at 'TransferText' in the "Action" Column
TABLE
Also if it is a known and stable - reliable fixed length you can link it as a table
just using the normal link table wizard

Good luck

Darren


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill & Janine Marriott" <bill.marriott at optusnet.com.au>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 7:08 PM
Subject: [AccessD] uploading data from an fixed field length txt file


> 
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I haven't visited this site for a while. Nice to see some old familiar
> faces.
> 
> Does anyone know where I can look for code samples for uploading data
> from a text file into Access xp?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Bill Marriott 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov  7 05:16:16 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:16:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
In-Reply-To: <027d01c3a4af$74ef7cb0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
References: <027d01c3a4af$74ef7cb0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <17911819175.20031107121616@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

No, screen captures - however they are made - won't do as the
resolution is too low and the screen display by Access is sometimes a
little distorted.

For a manual we wrote some years ago we printed to a fax printer
driver (ObjectFax). 
The output files could be converted to pcx files which we by some
trial and error managed to insert sligtly scaled down in Lotus Ami Pro
with a border and shadow - it was perfect.
Tobit FaxWare/David also has conversion utilities and I guess most
other fax printing software has as well.

Another solution is to print to a pdf file and open this in Acrobat
Reader. Then print to AmyUni's EMF printer driver which creates one
EMF file for each page. Although the included license file claims the
driver to be an evaluation copy, the download page says otherwise -
that it is free to use; stick to that:

  http://www.amyuni.com/en/support/downloads.html

At installation, specify the directory (which must exist) where the
driver should create the EMF files. Try opening the pdf file you last
wieved and print - the output file is large but excellent.

If you manage to get this to do what you want, please share your
solution!

/gustav


> I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an application
> into a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user
> manual. Its for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.  

> I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
> it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
> little formatting and graphics.  

> The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and lines.
> And since the manual changes I don't want to go through that
> handcrafting this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers,
> headers and footers, and then trying to use those to print the
> reports on them directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where
> I can crop and zoom etc.   


From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Fri Nov  7 06:18:54 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:18:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C87C@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Guess there is no way to stop this from occurring. Something they will have
to live with I guess when they view the Word file.

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Foote, Chris [mailto:Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 3:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document


Bit late into this topic - sorry.

I think this is caused by Word (and probably other apps.) changing docs to
use your default printer. If you open a doc created or modified by someone
else who has a different default printer, the app. has to reformat it. But
if you are opening and close Word docs "all day long" it does not have to
change the printer setting more than once.

HTH - Chris Foote

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:21 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> 
> 
> On 5 Nov 2003 at 17:07, Ron  Allen wrote:
> 
> > It is wanting to save because the last opened date has 
> > changed, so it sees the document as having been changed. 
> > Annoying, huh?
> 
> Nope. I don't think that this is the reason. I open and close Word 
> docs all day long and only have the Save prompt show up when I 
> actually change the doc or there are fields in the doc that get 
> updated, and I have Word set to update all fields when it opens and 
> prints.
> 
> Docs without fields don't have the prompt for me.
> 
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell
> 
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From pedro at plex.nl  Fri Nov  7 13:40:21 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:40:21 (MET)
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working? 
Message-ID: <200311071240.hA7CeLEU010929@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hello Jeffrey,

i will try this. thanks for the solution.

Pedro Janssen







The function would probably look something like this:

Function MyExample (mycode, mytelling)  as Double
     Dim mymultipler as double
     Select Case mycode
          Case 501
               mymultipler = 1
          Case 503
               mymultipler = 2
          Case 507
               mymultipler = 2
          Case 506
               mymultipler = .67
          Case 502
               mymultipler = .4
          Case 522
               mymultipler = .4
          Case 542
               mymultipler = .2
          Case 500
               mymultipler = 0
     End Select

     MyExample = mytelling * myultipler

End Function

The next step would be to use it in your query something like the
following:
MyExample([Code], [Telling]) AS Resultaat_Telling FROM TellingCode;


                                                                                                                                 
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From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Fri Nov  7 06:42:26 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:42:26 -0000 
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BEB3@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Virginia,

if your users all have the same default printer I don't think this would
happen!

Chris F

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:19 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> 
> 
> Guess there is no way to stop this from occurring. Something 
> they will have
> to live with I guess when they view the Word file.
> 
> Virginia
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Foote, Chris [mailto:Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 3:35 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> 
> 
> Bit late into this topic - sorry.
> 
> I think this is caused by Word (and probably other apps.) 
> changing docs to
> use your default printer. If you open a doc created or 
> modified by someone
> else who has a different default printer, the app. has to 
> reformat it. But
> if you are opening and close Word docs "all day long" it does 
> not have to
> change the printer setting more than once.
> 
> HTH - Chris Foote
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:21 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> > 
> > 
> > On 5 Nov 2003 at 17:07, Ron  Allen wrote:
> > 
> > > It is wanting to save because the last opened date has 
> > > changed, so it sees the document as having been changed. 
> > > Annoying, huh?
> > 
> > Nope. I don't think that this is the reason. I open and close Word 
> > docs all day long and only have the Save prompt show up when I 
> > actually change the doc or there are fields in the doc that get 
> > updated, and I have Word set to update all fields when it opens and 
> > prints.
> > 
> > Docs without fields don't have the prompt for me.
> > 
> > --
> > Bryan Carbonnell
> > 
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From pedro at plex.nl  Fri Nov  7 13:48:02 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:48:02 (MET)
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
Message-ID: <200311071248.hA7Cm2EU011273@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hello Gustav, Jim and others,

i tried your solution, and also changed comma's to points as Jim suggested, but i still get an error: Wrong number of arguments used with function ??????

What could be the problem know?


Pedro








Hi Pedro

It should probably read:

iif([Code]='501',[Telling]*1,iif([Code]='503',[Telling]*2,iif([Code]='507',[Telling]*2,iif([Code]='506',[Telling]*0,67,iif([Code]='502',[Telling]*0,4,iif([Code]='522',[Telling]*0,4,iif([Code]='542',[Telling]*0,2,iif([Code]='500',[Telling]*0,0))))))))

/gustav

> i can't seem to let this query work. Why?

> Pedro Janssen


> SELECT
> iif([Code]='501',[Telling]*1),iif([Code]='503',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='507',[Telling]*2),iif([Code]='506',[Telling]*0,67),iif([Code]='502',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]='522',[Telling]*0,4),iif([Code]='542',[Telling]*0,2),iif([Code]='500',[Telling]*0)
> AS Resultaat_Telling
> FROM TellingCode;

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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Fri Nov  7 06:53:54 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 07:53:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
Message-ID: <sfab4f9e.065@cbc.ca>

It will if there are fields in the doc.

I just opened a Word doc, no fields, but created with a different
default printer (I had this file e-mailed to me from someone else) and
opened and closed it. No save prompt.

I don't think that the default printer makes a difference. I'd bet
dollars to donuts that the fields are causing the problem.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

--
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TPC Training Assistant

>>> Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com 07-Nov-03 7:42:26 AM >>>
Virginia,

if your users all have the same default printer I don't think this
would
happen!

Chris F

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:19 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> 
> 
> Guess there is no way to stop this from occurring. Something 
> they will have
> to live with I guess when they view the Word file.
> 
> Virginia
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Foote, Chris [mailto:Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com] 
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 3:35 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> 
> 
> Bit late into this topic - sorry.
> 
> I think this is caused by Word (and probably other apps.) 
> changing docs to
> use your default printer. If you open a doc created or 
> modified by someone
> else who has a different default printer, the app. has to 
> reformat it. But
> if you are opening and close Word docs "all day long" it does 
> not have to
> change the printer setting more than once.
> 
> HTH - Chris Foote
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:21 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> > 
> > 
> > On 5 Nov 2003 at 17:07, Ron  Allen wrote:
> > 
> > > It is wanting to save because the last opened date has 
> > > changed, so it sees the document as having been changed. 
> > > Annoying, huh?
> > 
> > Nope. I don't think that this is the reason. I open and close Word

> > docs all day long and only have the Save prompt show up when I 
> > actually change the doc or there are fields in the doc that get 
> > updated, and I have Word set to update all fields when it opens and

> > prints.
> > 
> > Docs without fields don't have the prompt for me.


From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Fri Nov  7 06:57:23 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 07:57:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
Message-ID: <sfab5072.091@cbc.ca>

Rocky,

Are you distributing the manual as a Word doc?

If you are why don't you distribute it as a PDF. Then you can print
sample reports as PDFs and insert pages from the report PDF into the
Manual PDF where you want and have one electronic file.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> bchacc at san.rr.com 06-Nov-03 4:46:38 PM >>>
Dear List:

I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an application
into a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user manual.
Its for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.  

I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
little formatting and graphics.  

The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and lines.  And
since the manual changes I don't want to go through that handcrafting
this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can crop and zoom
etc.

Does anyone know how this can be done?

Regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Fri Nov  7 06:58:19 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:58:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C884@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

No, everyone uses different printers & all types & brands.

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Foote, Chris [mailto:Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 6:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document


Virginia,

if your users all have the same default printer I don't think this would
happen!

Chris F

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:19 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> 
> 
> Guess there is no way to stop this from occurring. Something 
> they will have
> to live with I guess when they view the Word file.
> 
> Virginia
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Foote, Chris [mailto:Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 3:35 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> 
> 
> Bit late into this topic - sorry.
> 
> I think this is caused by Word (and probably other apps.) 
> changing docs to
> use your default printer. If you open a doc created or 
> modified by someone
> else who has a different default printer, the app. has to 
> reformat it. But
> if you are opening and close Word docs "all day long" it does 
> not have to
> change the printer setting more than once.
> 
> HTH - Chris Foote
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:21 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> > 
> > 
> > On 5 Nov 2003 at 17:07, Ron  Allen wrote:
> > 
> > > It is wanting to save because the last opened date has 
> > > changed, so it sees the document as having been changed. 
> > > Annoying, huh?
> > 
> > Nope. I don't think that this is the reason. I open and close Word 
> > docs all day long and only have the Save prompt show up when I 
> > actually change the doc or there are fields in the doc that get 
> > updated, and I have Word set to update all fields when it opens and 
> > prints.
> > 
> > Docs without fields don't have the prompt for me.
> > 
> > --
> > Bryan Carbonnell
> > 
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From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Fri Nov  7 07:02:15 2003
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:02:15 -0000 
Subject: [AccessD] Open Word Document
Message-ID: <97CF276BD8C6D4119C4B00508BB18DE709E0BEB6@ntscxch1.int.rdel.co.uk>

Rats!

I guess you're stuck with it. Unless there's a way to hack Word <bg>

Chris Foote (just off home for the weekend yippee!)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:58 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> 
> 
> No, everyone uses different printers & all types & brands.
> 
> Virginia
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Foote, Chris [mailto:Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 6:42 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> 
> 
> Virginia,
> 
> if your users all have the same default printer I don't think 
> this would
> happen!
> 
> Chris F
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:19 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> > 
> > 
> > Guess there is no way to stop this from occurring. Something 
> > they will have
> > to live with I guess when they view the Word file.
> > 
> > Virginia
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Foote, Chris [mailto:Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com]
> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 3:35 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> > 
> > 
> > Bit late into this topic - sorry.
> > 
> > I think this is caused by Word (and probably other apps.) 
> > changing docs to
> > use your default printer. If you open a doc created or 
> > modified by someone
> > else who has a different default printer, the app. has to 
> > reformat it. But
> > if you are opening and close Word docs "all day long" it does 
> > not have to
> > change the printer setting more than once.
> > 
> > HTH - Chris Foote
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:21 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open Word Document
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 5 Nov 2003 at 17:07, Ron  Allen wrote:
> > > 
> > > > It is wanting to save because the last opened date has 
> > > > changed, so it sees the document as having been changed. 
> > > > Annoying, huh?
> > > 
> > > Nope. I don't think that this is the reason. I open and 
> close Word 
> > > docs all day long and only have the Save prompt show up when I 
> > > actually change the doc or there are fields in the doc that get 
> > > updated, and I have Word set to update all fields when it 
> opens and 
> > > prints.
> > > 
> > > Docs without fields don't have the prompt for me.
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Bryan Carbonnell
> > > 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov  7 07:06:55 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:06:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
In-Reply-To: <200311071248.hA7Cm2EU011273@mailhostC.plex.net>
References: <200311071248.hA7Cm2EU011273@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <10818458241.20031107140655@cactus.dk>

Hi Pedro

You still may have mistyped something.
Try with a minimum expression:

   SELECT
     IIf([Code]='542',[Telling]*0.2,0) AS Resultaat_Telling
   FROM
     TellingCode;

If this doesn't work something else is wrong.
If it works, replace 0 with another IIf() construction and so on.

/gustav


> Hello Gustav, Jim and others,

> i tried your solution, and also changed comma's to points as Jim suggested, but i still get an error: Wrong number of arguments used with function ??????

> What could be the problem know?


From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Fri Nov  7 07:59:50 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:59:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Omit Records from Report Total
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D189880@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Thanks Stuart.
I thought it should be this easy, I just couldn't figure it out.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Omit Records from Report Total

Use: 

=Sum(IIf([ProposalStatus]="Lost",0,[Amount])

On 6 Nov 2003 at 11:12, Mark Boyd wrote:

> I have a table with 3 fields: [Office], [ProposalStatus], and
[Amount].
> 
> In my report, I group on [Office], with [ProposalStatus] and [Amount]
in
> the Detail section.
> 
> In the [Office] Footer, I have a textbox with a control source of
> '=Sum([Amount])'.
> 
> However, I have been informed that this textbox should not include
> records with a [ProposalStatus] of 'Lost'.
> 
> Therefore, I need the textbox to be the total amount of all records
that
> have a [ProposalStatus] <> 'Lost'.
> 
>  
> 
> Is there any way to do this?
> 
>  
> 
> Mark Boyd
> 
> Sr. Systems Analyst
> 
> McBee Associates, Inc.
> 
>  
> 
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  7 08:13:23 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 08:13:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
Message-ID: <BAY2-F164WG57m3ovye00023372@hotmail.com>

You don't have a scanner? You could actually print the page you want and 
scan it back in to a jpg. Surely a copy shop would do that for you - or I 
could for that matter if you wanted to send them up here to me in the great 
frozen north.....Scanners are pretty cheap nowadays though.

Granted it's somewhat low-tech.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
>Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:44:29 -0800
>
>Stuart:
>
>Thanks for the links.  The second one looks like a screen capture so I 
>don't
>think it will do but the first one seems to work well in the demo.  It's 
>$70
>for the business version, but I may have to bite that bullet if I can't
>figure another way.  It makes very nice jpg files which you can import to
>word and stretch to fit the page.
>
>Regards,
>
>Rocky
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 8:50 PM
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
>
>
>Just did a quick search.
>
>While this isn't free, it seems to do what you need.
>
>http://www.print-driver.com/
>
>What it does is install a new printer driver.  When you choose to print to
>this,
>it will render the print output to an image file.
>
>There maybe a free alterative if someone does a search. I found another one
>that
>is shareware.
>http://www.newfreeware.com/search.php3?q=image+print+driver
>
>Stuart
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Friday, 07 November, 2003 12:24 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> >
> >
> > Charlotte:
> >
> > I tried printing to pdf using cutepdf and it worked real well
> > except now how
> > do I get it into a word doc for the manual?  Is there a way
> > to do that?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:58 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> >
> >
> > > I don't know of any easy way.  We do screen captures of
> > ours for that
> > > purpose, since rtf is useless for graphics.  Or you can
> > print them to a
> > > pdf printer .
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:47 PM
> > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > > I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an
> > application into
> > > a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user
> > manual. Its
> > > for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.
> > >
> > > I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
> > > it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
> > > little formatting and graphics.
> > >
> > > The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and
> > lines.  And
> > > since the manual changes I don't want to go through that
> > handcrafting
> > > this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
> > > footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
> > > directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can
> > crop and zoom
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know how this can be done?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Nov  7 08:19:24 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 06:19:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
References: <sfab5072.091@cbc.ca>
Message-ID: <003d01c3a53a$251bf020$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Bryan:

No.  It's going to be hard copy.  The app will be about $3k and for that
prospects like to have something in hand.  Gives me a chance to make a nice
binder, as well.  Pouch for the cd, all that.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word


> Rocky,
>
> Are you distributing the manual as a Word doc?
>
> If you are why don't you distribute it as a PDF. Then you can print
> sample reports as PDFs and insert pages from the report PDF into the
> Manual PDF where you want and have one electronic file.
>
> Bryan Carbonnell
> bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca
>
> >>> bchacc at san.rr.com 06-Nov-03 4:46:38 PM >>>
> Dear List:
>
> I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an application
> into a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user manual.
> Its for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.
>
> I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
> it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
> little formatting and graphics.
>
> The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and lines.  And
> since the manual changes I don't want to go through that handcrafting
> this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
> footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
> directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can crop and zoom
> etc.
>
> Does anyone know how this can be done?
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From pedro at plex.nl  Fri Nov  7 15:21:50 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:21:50 (MET)
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
Message-ID: <200311071421.hA7ELoEU015213@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hello Gustav,

When i used your minimum expression, there was a querytable in the View, but in the records was standing #Error.
The trouble is that TellingCode is a query. When i made a MakeTableQuery first from TellingCode and did the expression from tblTellingCode it was working. Why isn't the expression working on a query??

Pedro 


In antwoord op:

> From: Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:06:55 +0100
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
> 
> 
> Hi Pedro
> 
> You still may have mistyped something.
> Try with a minimum expression:
> 
>    SELECT
>      IIf([Code]='542',[Telling]*0.2,0) AS Resultaat_Telling
>    FROM
>      TellingCode;
> 
> If this doesn't work something else is wrong.
> If it works, replace 0 with another IIf() construction and so on.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > Hello Gustav, Jim and others,
> 
> > i tried your solution, and also changed comma's to points as Jim suggested, but i still get an error: Wrong number of arguments used with function ??????
> 
> > What could be the problem know?
> 
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  7 08:21:40 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 08:21:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] uploading data from an fixed field length txt file
Message-ID: <BAY2-F114E73MRc3b2q00003417@hotmail.com>

Hi Bill,

I'd recommend Seth Galitzer's Home Page  - under "downloads" & "File I/O in 
VB"

http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax/

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Bill & Janine Marriott" <bill.marriott at optusnet.com.au>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] uploading data from an fixed field length txt file
>Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:08:43 +1100
>
>
>
>Hi Everyone,
>
>I haven't visited this site for a while. Nice to see some old familiar
>faces.
>
>Does anyone know where I can look for code samples for uploading data
>from a text file into Access xp?
>
>Thanks
>
>Bill Marriott
>
>
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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Fri Nov  7 08:28:30 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:28:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Median Number
In-Reply-To: <001a01c3a518$a8285700$94249f82@ds.strath.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHCEIJEPAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

Thanks to everyone responding to my median question.  My mind was asleep
yesterday - I couldn't get any search to find anything.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John R. Porter
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 5:20 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Median Number
>
>
> This can also be done (faster I expect) by a SQL statement without coding
> and ADO or DAO as the case may be, though the SQL is quite complex. If you
> can get hold of it, there's an excellent article about this in
> the May 2003
> issue of 'Smart Access' magazine. You can get a trial subscription at
> http://www.pinpub.com/html/main.isx?sub=29
>
> John R. Porter
> I.T. Services
> University of Strathclyde
> Faculty of Education
> 76 Southbrae Drive
> Glasgow
> G13 1PP
> e-mail: j.r.porter at strath.ac.uk
> Tel. 0141 950 3289
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: 07 November 2003 09:30
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Median Number
>
>
> Hi Reuben
>
> > Anyone have a good way to find the median value in a table of unkown
> number
> > of records?
>
> You could look up our own list at 2001-03-06:
>
> <quote>
>
> Sub GetTableMedian ()
>   Dim dblMedian As Double
>   dblMedian = GetTableMedian ("", "tblData", "FieldName")
>   Debug.Print (dblMedian)
> End Sub
>
> Function GetTableMedian(strDatabase As String, strTable As
> String, strField
> As String) As Double
>   'strDatabase - name of the database to look in or "" for the current
> database
>   'strTable - name of the table to analyze
>   'strField - name of the field to analyze
>   'Returns: median
>
>   Dim dbsTemp As Database
>   Dim rstTemp As Recordset
>   Dim strSQL As String
>   Dim lngElements As Long
>   Dim lngIndex As Long
>   Dim fInterpolate As Boolean
>   Dim dblMedian As Double
>
>   If strDatabase = "" Then
>     Set dbsTemp = CurrentDb()
>   Else
>     Set dbsTemp = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).OpenDatabase(strDatabase)
>   End If
>
>   strSQL = "SELECT DISTINCTROW [" & strField & "] FROM [" &
> strTable & "] "
>   strSQL = strSQL & "WHERE ([" & strField & "] Is Not Null) "
>   strSQL = strSQL & "ORDER BY [" & strField & "];"
>
>   Set rstTemp = dbsTemp.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
>   If Not rstTemp.EOF Then
>     rstTemp.MoveLast
>     lngElements = rstTemp.RecordCount
>     If lngElements = 1 Then
>       dblMedian = rstTemp(strField)
>     Else
>       lngIndex = Int((lngElements + 1) / 2)
>       fInterpolate = (lngElements Mod 2 = 0)
>       rstTemp.MoveFirst
>       rstTemp.Move (lngIndex - 1)
>       dblMedian = rstTemp(strField)
>       If fInterpolate Then
>         rstTemp.MoveNext
>         dblMedian = (dblMedian + rstTemp(strField)) / 2
>       End If
>     End If
>   Else
>     dblMedian = 0
>   End If
>
>   rstTemp.Close
>   dbsTemp.Close
>
>   GetTableMedian = dblMedian
>
> End Function
>
> William Hindman
>
> </quote>
>
> /gustav
>
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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Fri Nov  7 08:36:33 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:36:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
In-Reply-To: <003d01c3a53a$251bf020$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHCEIKEPAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

We use an app called Grabber 2K.  This isn't where I got it, but I just
found it at http://www.webattack.com/get/grabber2k.shtml

You take a screen shot of anything and paste that image into your word
document.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:19 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
>
>
> Bryan:
>
> No.  It's going to be hard copy.  The app will be about $3k and for that
> prospects like to have something in hand.  Gives me a chance to
> make a nice
> binder, as well.  Pouch for the cd, all that.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > Are you distributing the manual as a Word doc?
> >
> > If you are why don't you distribute it as a PDF. Then you can print
> > sample reports as PDFs and insert pages from the report PDF into the
> > Manual PDF where you want and have one electronic file.
> >
> > Bryan Carbonnell
> > bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca
> >
> > >>> bchacc at san.rr.com 06-Nov-03 4:46:38 PM >>>
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an application
> > into a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user manual.
> > Its for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.
> >
> > I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
> > it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
> > little formatting and graphics.
> >
> > The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and lines.  And
> > since the manual changes I don't want to go through that handcrafting
> > this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
> > footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
> > directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can crop and zoom
> > etc.
> >
> > Does anyone know how this can be done?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> >
>
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>




From caa at highway.com.br  Fri Nov  7 08:49:12 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:49:12 -0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - BE corruption???
In-Reply-To: <3FA83DCE.2010108@shaw.ca>
References: <oprx27avloeuy8y3@localhost> <3FA7CFB9.5090003@verizon.net>
	<3FA83DCE.2010108@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <oprx9vgauaeuy8y3@localhost>

On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:01:18 -0800, MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> 
wrote:

> You must first update to Jet SP3 then update to higher level SP's at 
> least there used to be warnings about this. The highest SP so far is SP7 
> for Win9x and WinNT; SP8 for WinXP 2000 and 2003. SP8 fixes some Oracle 
> interface problems. SP7 and 8 are inclusive of patches from SP 4 through 
> 7
> Jet SP7
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;282010
> Jet 3.5 SP3
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=7e82ef88-52ec-4a8f-8bb2-8b06d6cb668d&DisplayLang=en
>
>
>
> Francisco H Tapia wrote:
>
>> I would try and update his copy of Jet to SP6 to see if your results 
>> change.
>>
>> Carlos Alberto Alves wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Mates:
>>> I would like to have your opinion on this matter. I developed an A2k 
>>> database system with three identical FE's and one BE. It has data from 
>>> jan2001 to now. Upon executing a simple select query I noticed that I 
>>> could not retrieve any records from 2002. The same query executed on a 
>>> BE backup copy from jul2003 returned all due records.
>>> Is this a BE corruption??? I tried ???Compact and repair...???, 
>>> JetComp and import all tables to a new BE with no better results.
>>> Things that called my attention:
>>> 1- I use Jet 4.0 SP6 and my client uses something older than SP3;
>>> 2- I use Access 2000/Office 2000 and my client uses Access 2000/Office 
>>> 97.
>>> Thanks for any input,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Hi People!
Charlotte, Francisco and Marty thanks very much for your input. I have 
already downloaded Jet 4.0 SP3 and SP7 for WinNT. It seems SP6 is not 
available anymore. I was just waiting your opinions to make the update.   
;-)

-- 
**************************************
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* Child Neurologist                  *
* Systems Analyst/Programmer         *
* Rio de Janeiro, Brazil             *
* mailto:caa at highway.com.br          *
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov  7 08:50:26 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:50:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
In-Reply-To: <200311071421.hA7ELoEU015213@mailhostC.plex.net>
References: <200311071421.hA7ELoEU015213@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <8324668511.20031107155026@cactus.dk>

Hi Pedro

Perhaps Code is a number and not a string?
If so:
  IIf([Code]=542 ...

Or Telling is a string?

Try:

    SELECT
      [Code]='542' AS CodeTest,
      [Telling]*0.2 AS TellingTest
    FROM
      TellingCode;

/gustav


> Hello Gustav,

> When i used your minimum expression, there was a querytable in the
> View, but in the records was standing #Error. 
> The trouble is that TellingCode is a query. When i made a
> MakeTableQuery first from TellingCode and did the expression from
> tblTellingCode it was working. Why isn't the expression working on a
> query??

>> You still may have mistyped something.
>> Try with a minimum expression:
>> 
>>    SELECT
>>      IIf([Code]='542',[Telling]*0.2,0) AS Resultaat_Telling
>>    FROM
>>      TellingCode;
>> 
>> If this doesn't work something else is wrong.
>> If it works, replace 0 with another IIf() construction and so on.
>> 
>> /gustav
>> 
>> 
>> > Hello Gustav, Jim and others,
>> 
>> > i tried your solution, and also changed comma's to points as Jim
>> suggested, but i still get an error: Wrong number of arguments used
>> with function ??????  


From Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us  Fri Nov  7 08:58:59 2003
From: Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us (Gowey Mike W)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:58:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Print Job Batching
Message-ID: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801D9FDC4@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>



Is there a way within Access to be able to batch print jobs somewhere
and than print them when you are ready to.  What I am trying to look at
is the ability for the user to put in information for a label and than
store the printing of the label with the info entered and continue doing
more labels storing each requested print and than be able to press a
button and print all the stored labels at once.

Has anyone ever done something like this?

Thanks so much in advance for any info provided.


Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
Team Leader - SRCI
Information Systems & Services Division

From pedro at plex.nl  Fri Nov  7 16:00:01 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:00:01 (MET)
Subject: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
Message-ID: <200311071500.hA7F01EU017000@mailhostC.plex.net>

I could't believe that is was the query that made the #Error. So i tested a little further. The real course of the #error are the quote's (') before and after the nummer. When deleting them everything works fine.

Thanks

Pedro Janssen





In antwoord op:

> From: pedro at plex.nl
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:21:50 (MET)
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
> 
> 
> Hello Gustav,
> 
> When i used your minimum expression, there was a querytable in the View, but in the records was standing #Error.
> The trouble is that TellingCode is a query. When i made a MakeTableQuery first from TellingCode and did the expression from tblTellingCode it was working. Why isn't the expression working on a query??
> 
> Pedro 
> 
> 
> In antwoord op:
> 
> > From: Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:06:55 +0100
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] why isn't this working?
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Pedro
> > 
> > You still may have mistyped something.
> > Try with a minimum expression:
> > 
> >    SELECT
> >      IIf([Code]='542',[Telling]*0.2,0) AS Resultaat_Telling
> >    FROM
> >      TellingCode;
> > 
> > If this doesn't work something else is wrong.
> > If it works, replace 0 with another IIf() construction and so on.
> > 
> > /gustav
> > 
> > 
> > > Hello Gustav, Jim and others,
> > 
> > > i tried your solution, and also changed comma's to points as Jim suggested, but i still get an error: Wrong number of arguments used with function ??????
> > 
> > > What could be the problem know?
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> 
> 

From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Nov  7 09:02:39 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:02:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Print Job Batching
References: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801D9FDC4@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <00fb01c3a540$30b4a160$210110ac@SUSANONE>

Perhaps the easiest way is to just use a temp table -- append records to the
temp table and then base your label report on the temp table.

Susan H.


>
>
> Is there a way within Access to be able to batch print jobs somewhere
> and than print them when you are ready to.  What I am trying to look at
> is the ability for the user to put in information for a label and than
> store the printing of the label with the info entered and continue doing
> more labels storing each requested print and than be able to press a
> button and print all the stored labels at once.
>
> Has anyone ever done something like this?
>
> Thanks so much in advance for any info provided.
>
>
> Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
> Team Leader - SRCI
> Information Systems & Services Division
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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>


From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Nov  7 09:04:18 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:04:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Print Job Batching
References: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801D9FDC4@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <010501c3a540$6bf4c840$210110ac@SUSANONE>

Changed my mind -- maybe a yes/no field in the table -- and then a simple
query that returns only those records that are marked -- run the label
report, and then reset all the fields to no -- but would require a new field
which can be troublesome -- but eliminates the temp table.

Susan H.


>
>
> Is there a way within Access to be able to batch print jobs somewhere
> and than print them when you are ready to.  What I am trying to look at
> is the ability for the user to put in information for a label and than
> store the printing of the label with the info entered and continue doing
> more labels storing each requested print and than be able to press a
> button and print all the stored labels at once.
>
> Has anyone ever done something like this?
>
> Thanks so much in advance for any info provided.
>
>
> Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
> Team Leader - SRCI
> Information Systems & Services Division
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Fri Nov  7 09:08:23 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:08:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Print Job Batching
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7820@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Mike -
Why don't you just store the entered info in a table?  Then, print a
label-formatted report with that table as the record source.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Gowey Mike W [mailto:Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us] 
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Print Job Batching



Is there a way within Access to be able to batch print jobs somewhere
and than print them when you are ready to.  What I am trying to look at
is the ability for the user to put in information for a label and than
store the printing of the label with the info entered and continue doing
more labels storing each requested print and than be able to press a
button and print all the stored labels at once.

Has anyone ever done something like this?

Thanks so much in advance for any info provided.


Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
Team Leader - SRCI
Information Systems & Services Division
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri Nov  7 09:10:24 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri,  7 Nov 2003 16:10:24 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] Print Job Batching
Message-ID: <29869763.1068217823990.JavaMail.www@wwinf3006>

Couldn't you create a temporary table for all the labels and then link your labels to the temporary table ???




Message date : Nov 07 2003, 03:07 PM 
>From : Gowey Mike W 
To : Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Copy to : 
Subject : [AccessD] Print Job Batching 


Is there a way within Access to be able to batch print jobs somewhere 
and than print them when you are ready to. What I am trying to look at 
is the ability for the user to put in information for a label and than 
store the printing of the label with the info entered and continue doing 
more labels storing each requested print and than be able to press a 
button and print all the stored labels at once. 

Has anyone ever done something like this? 

Thanks so much in advance for any info provided. 


Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+ 
Team Leader - SRCI 
Information Systems & Services Division 
_______________________________________________ 
AccessD mailing list 
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd 
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 

From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Fri Nov  7 09:10:51 2003
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:10:51 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] Print Job Batching
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A03306054@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

Mike, 

Could you have a Yes/No field that the user could check so when they are
ready to run the print job, it only prints labels for those records where
this box is checked (set to Yes).  This would be easily setup in a query
with the criteria set to Yes for this field.  Then after the printing of the
labels you could run an update query that sets this field to No for all of
these records.  


-----Original Message-----
From: Gowey Mike W [mailto:Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 8:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Print Job Batching




Is there a way within Access to be able to batch print jobs somewhere
and than print them when you are ready to.  What I am trying to look at
is the ability for the user to put in information for a label and than
store the printing of the label with the info entered and continue doing
more labels storing each requested print and than be able to press a
button and print all the stored labels at once.

Has anyone ever done something like this?

Thanks so much in advance for any info provided.


Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
Team Leader - SRCI
Information Systems & Services Division
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us  Fri Nov  7 09:14:51 2003
From: Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us (Gowey Mike W)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:14:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Print Job Batching
Message-ID: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801D9FDC5@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>

Thanks a lot everyone, I will look at both of those approaches and see
wich one the customer would like the best.

Thanks again

Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
Team Leader - SRCI
Information Systems & Services Division


-----Original Message-----
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com [mailto:rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 8:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Print Job Batching


Mike, 

Could you have a Yes/No field that the user could check so when they are
ready to run the print job, it only prints labels for those records
where this box is checked (set to Yes).  This would be easily setup in a
query with the criteria set to Yes for this field.  Then after the
printing of the labels you could run an update query that sets this
field to No for all of these records.  


-----Original Message-----
From: Gowey Mike W [mailto:Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 8:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Print Job Batching




Is there a way within Access to be able to batch print jobs somewhere
and than print them when you are ready to.  What I am trying to look at
is the ability for the user to put in information for a label and than
store the printing of the label with the info entered and continue doing
more labels storing each requested print and than be able to press a
button and print all the stored labels at once.

Has anyone ever done something like this?

Thanks so much in advance for any info provided.


Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
Team Leader - SRCI
Information Systems & Services Division
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Nov  7 09:20:19 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:20:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
References: <BAY2-F164WG57m3ovye00023372@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <00aa01c3a542$a78bfde0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Well, there's an idea I really like.  Simple, low tech (relatively).  Sure,
I've got a scanner.  Bit of a hassle but how often will I have to do it?

Thank you.

Rocky



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at hotmail.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word


> You don't have a scanner? You could actually print the page you want and
> scan it back in to a jpg. Surely a copy shop would do that for you - or I
> could for that matter if you wanted to send them up here to me in the
great
> frozen north.....Scanners are pretty cheap nowadays though.
>
> Granted it's somewhat low-tech.
>
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> >Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:44:29 -0800
> >
> >Stuart:
> >
> >Thanks for the links.  The second one looks like a screen capture so I
> >don't
> >think it will do but the first one seems to work well in the demo.  It's
> >$70
> >for the business version, but I may have to bite that bullet if I can't
> >figure another way.  It makes very nice jpg files which you can import to
> >word and stretch to fit the page.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Rocky
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Stuart Sanders" <stuart at pacific.net.hk>
> >To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> ><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 8:50 PM
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> >
> >
> >Just did a quick search.
> >
> >While this isn't free, it seems to do what you need.
> >
> >http://www.print-driver.com/
> >
> >What it does is install a new printer driver.  When you choose to print
to
> >this,
> >it will render the print output to an image file.
> >
> >There maybe a free alterative if someone does a search. I found another
one
> >that
> >is shareware.
> >http://www.newfreeware.com/search.php3?q=image+print+driver
> >
> >Stuart
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Friday, 07 November, 2003 12:24 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> > >
> > >
> > > Charlotte:
> > >
> > > I tried printing to pdf using cutepdf and it worked real well
> > > except now how
> > > do I get it into a word doc for the manual?  Is there a way
> > > to do that?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:58 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> > >
> > >
> > > > I don't know of any easy way.  We do screen captures of
> > > ours for that
> > > > purpose, since rtf is useless for graphics.  Or you can
> > > print them to a
> > > > pdf printer .
> > > >
> > > > Charlotte Foust
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:47 PM
> > > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear List:
> > > >
> > > > I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an
> > > application into
> > > > a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user
> > > manual. Its
> > > > for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.
> > > >
> > > > I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
> > > > it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
> > > > little formatting and graphics.
> > > >
> > > > The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and
> > > lines.  And
> > > > since the manual changes I don't want to go through that
> > > handcrafting
> > > > this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
> > > > footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
> > > > directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can
> > > crop and zoom
> > > > etc.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know how this can be done?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > _______________________________________________
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Nov  7 09:21:23 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 07:21:23 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
References: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHCEIKEPAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <00b201c3a542$cdda3480$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Reuben:

I did try that last time I had the problem but screen capture is too low res
by the time you get the whole report page reduced to where it fits on the
screen. :(

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reuben Cummings" <reuben at gfconsultants.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 6:36 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word


> We use an app called Grabber 2K.  This isn't where I got it, but I just
> found it at http://www.webattack.com/get/grabber2k.shtml
>
> You take a screen shot of anything and paste that image into your word
> document.
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> phone: 812.523.1017
> email: reuben at gfconsultants.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:19 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> >
> >
> > Bryan:
> >
> > No.  It's going to be hard copy.  The app will be about $3k and for that
> > prospects like to have something in hand.  Gives me a chance to
> > make a nice
> > binder, as well.  Pouch for the cd, all that.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> >
> >
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > Are you distributing the manual as a Word doc?
> > >
> > > If you are why don't you distribute it as a PDF. Then you can print
> > > sample reports as PDFs and insert pages from the report PDF into the
> > > Manual PDF where you want and have one electronic file.
> > >
> > > Bryan Carbonnell
> > > bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca
> > >
> > > >>> bchacc at san.rr.com 06-Nov-03 4:46:38 PM >>>
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > > I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an application
> > > into a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user manual.
> > > Its for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.
> > >
> > > I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
> > > it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
> > > little formatting and graphics.
> > >
> > > The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and lines.
And
> > > since the manual changes I don't want to go through that handcrafting
> > > this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
> > > footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
> > > directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can crop and
zoom
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know how this can be done?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> > >
> >
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> >
>
>
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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Fri Nov  7 09:28:31 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:28:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
Message-ID: <sfab73db.010@cbc.ca>

Here's another way that I stumbled across, while looking for something
else....

SnagIt, a screen capture application, will actually allow you to do a
"Printer" capture.

It will capture a print and save it each page as an image. All you
print to a special SnagIt "printer" and it will capture each page
separately at printer quality.

You can get SnagIt from
http://www.techsmith.com/products/snagit/default.asp

They have a 30 day trial and it only costs $40.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> bchacc at san.rr.com 07-Nov-03 10:21:23 AM >>>
Reuben:

I did try that last time I had the problem but screen capture is too
low res
by the time you get the whole report page reduced to where it fits on
the
screen. :(

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reuben Cummings" <reuben at gfconsultants.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 6:36 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word


> We use an app called Grabber 2K.  This isn't where I got it, but I
just
> found it at http://www.webattack.com/get/grabber2k.shtml 
>
> You take a screen shot of anything and paste that image into your
word
> document.
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> phone: 812.523.1017
> email: reuben at gfconsultants.com 
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:19 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> >
> >
> > Bryan:
> >
> > No.  It's going to be hard copy.  The app will be about $3k and for
that
> > prospects like to have something in hand.  Gives me a chance to
> > make a nice
> > binder, as well.  Pouch for the cd, all that.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> >
> >
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > Are you distributing the manual as a Word doc?
> > >
> > > If you are why don't you distribute it as a PDF. Then you can
print
> > > sample reports as PDFs and insert pages from the report PDF into
the
> > > Manual PDF where you want and have one electronic file.
> > >
> > > Bryan Carbonnell
> > > bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca 
> > >
> > > >>> bchacc at san.rr.com 06-Nov-03 4:46:38 PM >>>
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > > I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an
application
> > > into a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a user
manual.
> > > Its for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.
> > >
> > > I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I
got
> > > it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had
very
> > > little formatting and graphics.
> > >
> > > The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and
lines.
And
> > > since the manual changes I don't want to go through that
handcrafting
> > > this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers
and
> > > footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on
them
> > > directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can crop
and
zoom
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know how this can be done?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd 
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Fri Nov  7 09:39:51 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:39:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
In-Reply-To: <00b201c3a542$cdda3480$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHKEIMEPAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

OK.  You're doing reports rather than forms.  My fault for reading into your
questions.  You are correct about the problem with reports.

Bryan does a wonderful job at creating manuals.  He did the pdf for the BEU
and I think it's wonderful.  Beyond Grabber 2K in Word, I would have to
agree with Bryan that pdf's are the way to go.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 10:21 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
>
>
> Reuben:
>
> I did try that last time I had the problem but screen capture is
> too low res
> by the time you get the whole report page reduced to where it fits on the
> screen. :(
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Reuben Cummings" <reuben at gfconsultants.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 6:36 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
>
>
> > We use an app called Grabber 2K.  This isn't where I got it, but I just
> > found it at http://www.webattack.com/get/grabber2k.shtml
> >
> > You take a screen shot of anything and paste that image into your word
> > document.
> >
> > Reuben Cummings
> > GFC, LLC
> > phone: 812.523.1017
> > email: reuben at gfconsultants.com
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Rocky Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:19 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> > >
> > >
> > > Bryan:
> > >
> > > No.  It's going to be hard copy.  The app will be about $3k
> and for that
> > > prospects like to have something in hand.  Gives me a chance to
> > > make a nice
> > > binder, as well.  Pouch for the cd, all that.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca>
> > > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:57 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
> > >
> > >
> > > > Rocky,
> > > >
> > > > Are you distributing the manual as a Word doc?
> > > >
> > > > If you are why don't you distribute it as a PDF. Then you can print
> > > > sample reports as PDFs and insert pages from the report PDF into the
> > > > Manual PDF where you want and have one electronic file.
> > > >
> > > > Bryan Carbonnell
> > > > bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca
> > > >
> > > > >>> bchacc at san.rr.com 06-Nov-03 4:46:38 PM >>>
> > > > Dear List:
> > > >
> > > > I need to find a way to get a number of reports from an application
> > > > into a format that can be imported into Word.  It's for a
> user manual.
> > > > Its for the Appendix - sample reports from the app.
> > > >
> > > > I have used the ReportUtilities download (can't remember where I got
> > > > it), which worked well on the last manual but the reports had very
> > > > little formatting and graphics.
> > > >
> > > > The reports I'm trying to do need to show all the boxes and lines.
> And
> > > > since the manual changes I don't want to go through that
> handcrafting
> > > > this of printing the blank pages with the page numbers, headers and
> > > > footers, and then trying to use those to print the reports on them
> > > > directly.  Love to get these reports into Word where I can crop and
> zoom
> > > > etc.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know how this can be done?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > Beach Access Software
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Nov  7 10:34:58 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:34:58 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3F5@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

The distinction about runtime engines is because some things work
differently when you are running an app from a fully installed version
of Access than when you are running it using an Access runtime engine.
In either case, you can get runtime errors (when you run it, naturally),
but the behavior is different and you don't always even see the errors
under the runtime engine, just the effects.  

I asked about the Access version (as distinct from the file format)
because I've seen things compile in Access 2002 that crash when the code
is run because it can miss routines with the same name if they are only
called from the property sheet of an object rather than from within
code.  I didn't run into that in Access 2000, but then I rarely if ever
use lightweight forms myself.

Have you tried creating a new database and importing all the objects?
Do they all import?  It sure sounds like some object corruption to me.

Charlotte Foust



-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Capistrant [mailto:scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...


Charlotte,

1. Yes, that's the literal message, referring to object names that are
not found anywhere in my code or object set. 2.  Using Access 2000. 3.
I don't understand your distinction about runtime engines.  The app
compiles cleanly, and compacts without complaint.  But when I start
hitting a few areas with subforms, I get a hailstorm of these errors.  I
can turn on error pausing and see where it trips up, and the code lines
are all different, but they do have the common thread of assigning
various subform names to the container form's subform's SourceObject. 4.
Oops, you are right -- I meant "SourceObject".  The offending lines read
like:
forms!frmPerson!subSection.SourceObject = "frmPerson_SubVolunteer"

Steve Capistrant
Symphony Information Services
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 763-391-7400
7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
Brooklyn Park, MN 55428

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...


Is that the literal error message, or do 'SourceObject' and '_SubForm'
stand as placeholders?   What version of Access are you using and What
file format?  Are you getting the message when someone attempts to run
the application using the runtime engine or is it an error that
*happens* at runtime?  Is the error triggered on methods like
"ControlSource" or did you mean "SourceObject" rather than what you
typed?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Capistrant [mailto:scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...


Help!!  Our main database has been corrupted, displaying this:

" Run-time Error '-2147417848 (80010108): Method 'SourceObject' of
object '_SubForm' failed "

from a variety of contexts.  How do I shake it?   Nothing in MSKB.
We're
using Source Safe, and even totally rebuilt versions still have the
corruption, and it happens on all workstations.  Triggered on lines like
this:
forms!frmPerson!subSection.ControlSource = "frmPerson_SubVolunteer"

Steve Capistrant
Symphony Information Services
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 763-391-7400
7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
Brooklyn Park, MN 55428



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From scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com  Fri Nov  7 10:52:06 2003
From: scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com (Steve Capistrant)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:52:06 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <3FAB26A8.3050601@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGKEMODAAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>

Problem solved!  Best yet, it turns out to be a programming mistake
masquerading as a corruption.  An error type unhandled smoothly by Jet or
VB, so results in a crash.

We have a person "container form" with one main subform control that swaps
out different forms (by changing the SourceObject) to show different
information about the person.  The problem was in the Volunteer area.
People by default are not "volunteers", so the Volunteer subform by default
presents a simple screens saying "no record is yet set up", and gives a
button which allows them to first create a volunteer record, then flip to
the subform that allows them to view/edit.  We already do this happily in
the Member and Customer areas, for which the same rule apply.  The
difference here was that I had one required field (volunteer type) to ask
the user about, so I presented a popup to capture it.  But I was using the
code from Member and the Customer sections, and failed to remove the line
that switches the subform.  So I was prematurely calling a subform that had
no data (yet) to support it.

The prize for solving the problem goes to fellow AccessD posters in our
office:  Mark Whittinghill and Liz Doering.  Thanks everyone else for your
ideas.  As usual, you are wonderful.

Steve Capistrant
Symphony Information Services
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 763-391-7400
7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
Brooklyn Park, MN 55428

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...


I just wonder if it could be something along these lines
To refer to a control on a subform, use the following syntax:

Forms![main form name]![subform control name].Form![control name]

It is important to note that you cannot refer to controls on a subform
with the following syntax:
Forms![subform name]![control name]

This is because a subform on a main form is not a form, but is a control
just like a text box or a list box. You must refer to a subform as a
control rather than a form, and specify the Form identifier following
the subform control name reference to gain access to the controls on a
subform.

ACC2000: How to Refer to a Control on a Subform or Subreport
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;209099&Product=acc
Steve Capistrant wrote:

>Charlotte,
>
>1. Yes, that's the literal message, referring to object names that are not
>found anywhere in my code or object set.
>2.  Using Access 2000.
>3.  I don't understand your distinction about runtime engines.  The app
>compiles cleanly, and compacts without complaint.  But when I start hitting
>a few areas with subforms, I get a hailstorm of these errors.  I can turn
on
>error pausing and see where it trips up, and the code lines are all
>different, but they do have the common thread of assigning various subform
>names to the container form's subform's SourceObject.
>4.  Oops, you are right -- I meant "SourceObject".  The offending lines
read
>like:
>forms!frmPerson!subSection.SourceObject = "frmPerson_SubVolunteer"
>
>Steve Capistrant
>Symphony Information Services
>scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
>www.symphonyinfo.com
>Phone: 763-391-7400
>7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
>Brooklyn Park, MN 55428
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
>Foust
>Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:29 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...
>
>
>Is that the literal error message, or do 'SourceObject' and '_SubForm'
>stand as placeholders?   What version of Access are you using and What
>file format?  Are you getting the message when someone attempts to run
>the application using the runtime engine or is it an error that
>*happens* at runtime?  Is the error triggered on methods like
>"ControlSource" or did you mean "SourceObject" rather than what you
>typed?
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Capistrant [mailto:scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com]
>Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:04 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Method 'SourceObject' of object...
>
>
>Help!!  Our main database has been corrupted, displaying this:
>
>" Run-time Error '-2147417848 (80010108): Method 'SourceObject' of
>object '_SubForm' failed "
>
>from a variety of contexts.  How do I shake it?   Nothing in MSKB.
>We're
>using Source Safe, and even totally rebuilt versions still have the
>corruption, and it happens on all workstations.  Triggered on lines like
>this:
>forms!frmPerson!subSection.ControlSource = "frmPerson_SubVolunteer"
>
>Steve Capistrant
>Symphony Information Services
>scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
>www.symphonyinfo.com
>Phone: 763-391-7400
>7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
>Brooklyn Park, MN 55428
>
>
>
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Victoria, B.C.
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov  7 11:14:46 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:14:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
In-Reply-To: <sfab73db.010@cbc.ca>
References: <sfab73db.010@cbc.ca>
Message-ID: <2033328814.20031107181446@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky and Bryan et all

As a freeware alternative to SnagIt, have a look at "Print To Picture"
by a Russian guy, Gretchko Juriy, at:

  http://progrex.narod.ru/ptp.html

Every thing except the program is in Russian but at this page you
would download (at the bottom of the page) link two and perhaps three.
The first you can spell "Program Print to picture, version 1.01", the
second is a plugin which I'm not shure really is needed.

When printing, resolution can be chosen from 50 x 50 to 600 x 600 dpi
and file format can be BMP, PCX or PNG.

It looks very promising! I've been looking for this kind of util for
years - thanks for putting me on the track again.

A tiny print of the page is attached for those of you accepting
attachments.

PS: Download speed from the site is very slow but stable, just be
patient. 

/gustav


> Here's another way that I stumbled across, while looking for something
> else....

> SnagIt, a screen capture application, will actually allow you to do a
> "Printer" capture.

> It will capture a print and save it each page as an image. All you
> print to a special SnagIt "printer" and it will capture each page
> separately at printer quality.

> You can get SnagIt from
> http://www.techsmith.com/products/snagit/default.asp

> They have a 30 day trial and it only costs $40.

> Bryan Carbonnell
> bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

From serbach at new.rr.com  Fri Nov  7 11:50:15 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:50:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Moving a replica to an FTP site
Message-ID: <20031107115015.1844408660.serbach@new.rr.com>

Dear Group,

Have any of you lot tried MOVING a replica to an FTP site? I created a new Network Place in Windows 2000 that looks at a folder I set up on my web hosting site with the proper user name and password. However, no matter what I try to do in Replication Manager 4.0 I get the message:

You cannot save in the folder you specified. Please choose another location.

I, of course, tried to create a replica using the Access replication capability; but there I can only save a replica on the LAN, not on an FTP site.

Any clues?


Thanks,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Nov  7 14:21:30 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:21:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
References: <sfab73db.010@cbc.ca> <2033328814.20031107181446@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <01cd01c3a56c$bcd0fe10$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Gustav:

That worked great!  The PCX output goes right into WORD
Insert-->Picture-->From File.  I didn't see where to set the resolution but
the image prints great after being imported into WORD.  So I'm happy.  Very
happy.

Thanks for the lead.

Regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word


> Hi Rocky and Bryan et all
>
> As a freeware alternative to SnagIt, have a look at "Print To Picture"
> by a Russian guy, Gretchko Juriy, at:
>
>   http://progrex.narod.ru/ptp.html
>
> Every thing except the program is in Russian but at this page you
> would download (at the bottom of the page) link two and perhaps three.
> The first you can spell "Program Print to picture, version 1.01", the
> second is a plugin which I'm not shure really is needed.
>
> When printing, resolution can be chosen from 50 x 50 to 600 x 600 dpi
> and file format can be BMP, PCX or PNG.
>
> It looks very promising! I've been looking for this kind of util for
> years - thanks for putting me on the track again.
>
> A tiny print of the page is attached for those of you accepting
> attachments.
>
> PS: Download speed from the site is very slow but stable, just be
> patient.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Here's another way that I stumbled across, while looking for something
> > else....
>
> > SnagIt, a screen capture application, will actually allow you to do a
> > "Printer" capture.
>
> > It will capture a print and save it each page as an image. All you
> > print to a special SnagIt "printer" and it will capture each page
> > separately at printer quality.
>
> > You can get SnagIt from
> > http://www.techsmith.com/products/snagit/default.asp
>
> > They have a 30 day trial and it only costs $40.
>
> > Bryan Carbonnell
> > bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca


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From scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com  Fri Nov  7 14:28:38 2003
From: scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com (Steve Capistrant)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:28:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Moving a replica to an FTP site
In-Reply-To: <20031107115015.1844408660.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGCENCDAAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>

If you haven't already, try explicitly mapping a drive letter to that drive.
Some kinds of programs really fall apart trying to connect to UNC paths but
do just fine when it is mapped.

Steve Capistrant
Symphony Information Services
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 763-391-7400
7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
Brooklyn Park, MN 55428

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 11:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Moving a replica to an FTP site


Dear Group,

Have any of you lot tried MOVING a replica to an FTP site? I created a new
Network Place in Windows 2000 that looks at a folder I set up on my web
hosting site with the proper user name and password. However, no matter what
I try to do in Replication Manager 4.0 I get the message:

You cannot save in the folder you specified. Please choose another location.

I, of course, tried to create a replica using the Access replication
capability; but there I can only save a replica on the LAN, not on an FTP
site.

Any clues?


Thanks,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Nov  7 18:30:44 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 10:30:44 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Export Access Report to Word
In-Reply-To: <01cd01c3a56c$bcd0fe10$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <3FACC5D4.30056.56E6B7@localhost>

On 7 Nov 2003 at 12:21, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access S wrote about Print To Picture::

> Gustav:
> 
> That worked great!  The PCX output goes right into WORD
> Insert-->Picture-->From File.  I didn't see where to set the resolution but
> the image prints great after being imported into WORD.  So I'm happy.  Very
> happy.
> 

Yes, looks like a really useful tool. Thanks for the link Gustav.

In W2K I found the resolution adjustment in the Printer properties - 
Advanced - Printing Defaults - Advanced .

There you can set the paper size, resolution( 50 x 50 up to 600 x 
600) and halftoning.

Incidentally, a single page Word document printed at 300 x 300  to 
the various file types gave the following file sizes:

BMP  962KB
PCX 271KB
PNG 62KB

However, creating a Word document and embedding the graphic in it did 
quite a good job of compressing the BMP.

Doc with PNG in it 82KB
Doc with BMP in it 85KB.


 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From tomk at multiline.com.au  Thu Nov  6 18:43:13 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:43:13 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Why is my Javascript (generated from Access) not working
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
	<42601.12.3.132.98.1067977717.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c3a4c8$206043a0$0300a8c0@print>

Hi all....

I have been using Access to build a HTML orderform for a couple of years and
have recently updated the process ...

After building the page with a series of queries etc I then write the page
to the drive via FREEFILE and a PUT statement ....

I have noticed that suddenly my pages javascript will not work UNLESS I
first open the page in notepad and resave it.

I dont have to edit the page in ANY WAY simply saving it will allow the JS
to work...

Can anyone shed any light on what the simple act of opening the page in
notepad and then saving it is doing?

I have been wrestling with this on and off for a couple of weeks now and
have run out of things to try.

regards

Tom Keatley


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov  7 21:03:44 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 21:03:44 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] Why is my Javascript (generated from Access) not wo
	rking
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227504@main2.marlow.com>

Are you using vbCrLf between the lines, or just one or the other? Opening
and saving in Notepad can force a change like that.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Keatley [mailto:tomk at multiline.com.au]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 6:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Why is my Javascript (generated from Access) not
working


Hi all....

I have been using Access to build a HTML orderform for a couple of years and
have recently updated the process ...

After building the page with a series of queries etc I then write the page
to the drive via FREEFILE and a PUT statement ....

I have noticed that suddenly my pages javascript will not work UNLESS I
first open the page in notepad and resave it.

I dont have to edit the page in ANY WAY simply saving it will allow the JS
to work...

Can anyone shed any light on what the simple act of opening the page in
notepad and then saving it is doing?

I have been wrestling with this on and off for a couple of weeks now and
have run out of things to try.

regards

Tom Keatley

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov  8 05:01:20 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:01:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Why is my Javascript (generated from Access) not
	working
In-Reply-To: <001b01c3a4c8$206043a0$0300a8c0@print>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
 <42601.12.3.132.98.1067977717.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
 <001b01c3a4c8$206043a0$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <598340242.20031108120120@cactus.dk>

Hi Tom

As Drew mentions it probably has to do with line breaks being either
Chr(10) + Chr(13) or one of these only.

Open the file with a hex editor before and after saving with Notepad
and you should be able to see what's going on.

Here's a freeware tool:

  http://www.memecode.com/ihex.php

/gustav


> I have been using Access to build a HTML orderform for a couple of years and
> have recently updated the process ...

> After building the page with a series of queries etc I then write the page
> to the drive via FREEFILE and a PUT statement ....

> I have noticed that suddenly my pages javascript will not work UNLESS I
> first open the page in notepad and resave it.

> I dont have to edit the page in ANY WAY simply saving it will allow the JS
> to work...

> Can anyone shed any light on what the simple act of opening the page in
> notepad and then saving it is doing?

> I have been wrestling with this on and off for a couple of weeks now and
> have run out of things to try.

> regards

> Tom Keatley


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  8 10:10:50 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 11:10:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEPPFJAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov  8 10:25:47 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 17:25:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEPPFJAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEPPFJAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <11127807434.20031108172547@cactus.dk>

Hi John

How about moving that command to OnLoad?

/gustav


> I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
> how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
> work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
> execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
> itself.

> Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com


From serbach at new.rr.com  Sat Nov  8 10:57:49 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 10:57:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Moving a replica to an FTP site
Message-ID: <20031108105749.1504749872.serbach@new.rr.com>

Steve,

>> try explicitly mapping a drive letter to that drive <<

I will definitely try that. I'm trying to get my arms around Indirect Replication for this client of mine who has far-flung employees who don't have access to the home network.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  8 11:22:17 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:22:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <11127807434.20031108172547@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEAAFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

No help.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Hi John

How about moving that command to OnLoad?

/gustav


> I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
> how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
> work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and
stop
> execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly
hides
> itself.

> Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  8 11:44:39 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:44:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEPPFJAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEABFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

To expound a little, in my lightweight security I am trying to create
functionality such that if a user can open a form but not view that form,
then the form will open but immediately hide itself.

To test this scenario, in the forms Activate event I check whether the user
has permission to view the form.  If not I immediately set the form.visible
false.  When opening the form, Activate fires, but setting the form's
visible attribute false does not make the form invisible.

If I manually hide the form, then use Window / unhide to unhide the form,
Activate fires, the code sets visible false and the form immediately rehides
itself (as I would expect to happen).

If I manually use Window / Unhide a SECOND time, Activate NEVER FIRES so my
code does not get a chance to hide the form again.

You can test this for yourself by simply taking any form, creating an
Activate event stub, and placing me.visible = false in it.  The first time
you do Windows / Unhide the event fires, the second time it doesn't!

Furthermore, as you open the form the FIRST time, Activate fires, but
setting me.visible = false does not hide the form!

I do so love Access and all of it's "quirks/features/BUGS".

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:11 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Nov  8 11:45:07 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 09:45:07 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEAAFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEJGCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

Here is a silly question. Why not set the form to visible = false initially
and then ...

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 9:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


No help.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Hi John

How about moving that command to OnLoad?

/gustav


> I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
> how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
> work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and
stop
> execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly
hides
> itself.

> Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  8 11:46:23 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:46:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEABFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Does anyone know how to turn off the little envelope icon that is placed in
the tool tray when a new mail arrives?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  8 11:53:56 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:53:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEJGCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEACFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Visible isn't a design time property.  From Access' help:

You can set this property by using the object's property sheet (for sections
and all controls except page breaks), a macro, or Visual Basic.
For forms, reports, and data access pages, you must set this property by
using a macro or Visual Basic.

Plus... see my explanation of LWS functionality.

I can't set it at design time even if I wanted to.  If a user just
dbl-clicks to open a form I have no opportunity to run a macro.  Thus I am
left with Visual Basic to perform this magic.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 12:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Hi John:

Here is a silly question. Why not set the form to visible = false initially
and then ...

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 9:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


No help.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Hi John

How about moving that command to OnLoad?

/gustav


> I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
> how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
> work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and
stop
> execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly
hides
> itself.

> Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com

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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sat Nov  8 12:09:59 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 13:09:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEACFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002101c3a623$8725bf50$6401a8c0@default>

John,

What about
Screen.ActiveForm.Visible = False

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 12:53 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


> Visible isn't a design time property.  From Access' help:
>
> You can set this property by using the object's property sheet (for
sections
> and all controls except page breaks), a macro, or Visual Basic.
> For forms, reports, and data access pages, you must set this property by
> using a macro or Visual Basic.
>
> Plus... see my explanation of LWS functionality.
>
> I can't set it at design time even if I wanted to.  If a user just
> dbl-clicks to open a form I have no opportunity to run a macro.  Thus I am
> left with Visual Basic to perform this magic.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> (AccessD)
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 12:45 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
>
>
> Hi John:
>
> Here is a silly question. Why not set the form to visible = false
initially
> and then ...
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 9:22 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
>
>
> No help.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:26 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
>
>
> Hi John
>
> How about moving that command to OnLoad?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless
of
> > how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
> > work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and
> stop
> > execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly
> hides
> > itself.
>
> > Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?
>
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov  8 12:15:14 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 19:15:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEACFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEACFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <19834374237.20031108191514@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Couldn't you cancel the opening when this should not be allowed and
then call a subfunction to open the form not visible:

<code>

  Public Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)

    Cancel = IsVisibleDisabledForCurrentUser()

    If Cancel = True Then
      Call SubFunctionToOpenFormNotVisible(Me.Name)
    End If

  End Sub

</code>

/gustav


>> I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
>> how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
>> work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and
>> stop execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form
>> correctly hides itself.


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  8 12:24:55 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 13:24:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEABFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEAEFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

More stuff.  I just discovered that as you try to unhide the form the first
time, it rehides but APPARENTLY the focus stays on that form.  I say that
because the database window (the only other thing visible/open in my testing
case) does NOT have the focus, and the design toolbar "disables", i.e. all
the controls gray out.  If you click on the database window it gets the
focus, the toolbar "enables" and THEN if you try to unhide the hidden form a
second time, it correctly does NOT unhide!!!

There's a hint in there somewhere I have to believe.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 12:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


To expound a little, in my lightweight security I am trying to create
functionality such that if a user can open a form but not view that form,
then the form will open but immediately hide itself.

To test this scenario, in the forms Activate event I check whether the user
has permission to view the form.  If not I immediately set the form.visible
false.  When opening the form, Activate fires, but setting the form's
visible attribute false does not make the form invisible.

If I manually hide the form, then use Window / unhide to unhide the form,
Activate fires, the code sets visible false and the form immediately rehides
itself (as I would expect to happen).

If I manually use Window / Unhide a SECOND time, Activate NEVER FIRES so my
code does not get a chance to hide the form again.

You can test this for yourself by simply taking any form, creating an
Activate event stub, and placing me.visible = false in it.  The first time
you do Windows / Unhide the event fires, the second time it doesn't!

Furthermore, as you open the form the FIRST time, Activate fires, but
setting me.visible = false does not hide the form!

I do so love Access and all of it's "quirks/features/BUGS".

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:11 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  8 12:25:08 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 13:25:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <19834374237.20031108191514@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEAEFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Gustav,

Good thought.  I'll try that.  It seems that if I use exactly your code then
the form would try to open, would already be open so would "fail" and would
then return and continue closing.  I'll see though.

I also have to handle making user the form can never be made visible
manually though.  See my email re what happens if you unhide it twice in a
row.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 1:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Hi John

Couldn't you cancel the opening when this should not be allowed and
then call a subfunction to open the form not visible:

<code>

  Public Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)

    Cancel = IsVisibleDisabledForCurrentUser()

    If Cancel = True Then
      Call SubFunctionToOpenFormNotVisible(Me.Name)
    End If

  End Sub

</code>

/gustav


>> I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
>> how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
>> work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and
>> stop execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form
>> correctly hides itself.

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Nov  8 14:11:43 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 14:11:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <17172960.1068308185175.JavaMail.root@sniper.marix.com>
Message-ID: <000201c3a634$8b7ab1d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>

John,

I have a startup form with quite a bit of startup code behind it.  To make
it invisible, I go to the database window, right-click the form, then select
properties.  Then check the Hidden checkbox.  Now the form will never
display, but all the code behind the form runs from the form's Open event.
The form also closes itself after it does all it's things and opens the
switchboard form.

For you to be able to see and select the form from the list in the database
window, go to Tools|Options, then select the View tab and check the Show
Hidden Objects checkbox.  Now, when the form list is displayed in the
database window, the startup form's small icon will be 'grayed out' to
indicate that this form is hidden.  

As long as your users can't muck around in Tool|Options and can't open the
database window, this may work for you.

HTH!
Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:11 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Nov  8 14:23:08 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 14:23:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open - oops!
In-Reply-To: <1947100.1068322701956.JavaMail.root@sniper.marix.com>
Message-ID: <000801c3a636$22c9ef50$de1811d8@DanWaters>

I re-read this and realized that it sounds like the form being set to hidden
will cause the form to automatically close after the code is finished.  Not!
The code behind the form closes the form.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 2:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John,

I have a startup form with quite a bit of startup code behind it.  To make
it invisible, I go to the database window, right-click the form, then select
properties.  Then check the Hidden checkbox.  Now the form will never
display, but all the code behind the form runs from the form's Open event.
The form also closes itself after it does all it's things and opens the
switchboard form.

For you to be able to see and select the form from the list in the database
window, go to Tools|Options, then select the View tab and check the Show
Hidden Objects checkbox.  Now, when the form list is displayed in the
database window, the startup form's small icon will be 'grayed out' to
indicate that this form is hidden.  

As long as your users can't muck around in Tool|Options and can't open the
database window, this may work for you.

HTH!
Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:11 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sat Nov  8 14:27:49 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 20:27:49 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <000201c3a634$8b7ab1d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <025d01c3a636$c6f64920$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

John
You don't have a SetFocus to anything on the form after the me.visible=False
do you? That would make it visible again.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: 08 November 2003 20:12
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
> 
> 
> John,
> 
> I have a startup form with quite a bit of startup code behind 
> it.  To make it invisible, I go to the database window, 
> right-click the form, then select properties.  Then check the 
> Hidden checkbox.  Now the form will never display, but all 
> the code behind the form runs from the form's Open event. The 
> form also closes itself after it does all it's things and 
> opens the switchboard form.
> 
> For you to be able to see and select the form from the list 
> in the database window, go to Tools|Options, then select the 
> View tab and check the Show Hidden Objects checkbox.  Now, 
> when the form list is displayed in the database window, the 
> startup form's small icon will be 'grayed out' to indicate 
> that this form is hidden.  
> 
> As long as your users can't muck around in Tool|Options and 
> can't open the database window, this may work for you.
> 
> HTH!
> Dan Waters
> Quality Process Solutions
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:11 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
> 
> 
> I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, 
> regardless of how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false 
> in OnOpen.  That doesn't work!  The strange part is that if I 
> place a breakpoint on the line and stop execution on the 
> me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides itself.
> 
> Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> 
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From bill.marriott at optusnet.com.au  Sat Nov  8 15:30:42 2003
From: bill.marriott at optusnet.com.au (Bill & Janine Marriott)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 08:30:42 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] uploading data from an fixed field length txt file
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F114E73MRc3b2q00003417@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201c3a63f$9163e7a0$0211a4cb@marriott>

Hi Gary (and Darren)

Just what I wanted! Thanks

Bill


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Saturday, 8 November 2003 1:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] uploading data from an fixed field length txt
file

Hi Bill,

I'd recommend Seth Galitzer's Home Page  - under "downloads" & "File I/O
in 
VB"

http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax/

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Bill & Janine Marriott" <bill.marriott at optusnet.com.au>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving'"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] uploading data from an fixed field length txt file
>Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 19:08:43 +1100
>
>
>
>Hi Everyone,
>
>I haven't visited this site for a while. Nice to see some old familiar
>faces.
>
>Does anyone know where I can look for code samples for uploading data
>from a text file into Access xp?
>
>Thanks
>
>Bill Marriott
>
>
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From mastercafe at ctv.es  Sat Nov  8 15:51:26 2003
From: mastercafe at ctv.es (MastercafeCTV)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 22:51:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ADO Connection from FORM
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEABFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000201c3a642$75b7ad90$69fa2250@servercafe>

We are trying to connect from a FORM to and external MYDATA.MDB on a server.

We are sure that ADODB could be use but we only use ASP forms to make this
and put over the server.
On the ASP page is very simple to connect :
<CODE>
Set Ob_Conn=Server.CreateObject("adodb.connection") 
Set Ob_RS=Server.CreateObject("adodb.recordset") 
Ob_Conn.Open "Driver={Microsoft Access Driver (*.mdb)}; " & "Dbq=" &
Server.MapPath("datos.mdb")
Sql= "SELECT *  FROM productos where familiaid='"&cadena&"'  order by
codigo"
Ob_RS.open  Sql,Ob_Conn,adOpenStatic, adCmdTable
Ob_RS.PageSize = 6
Ob_RS.AbsolutePage=Session("pagina") 
</CODE>

But to make the same on a simple FORM like a RecordSource?? Or in VB into de
form to collect some data to visualize ??

Thanks

Juan Men?ndez

===========================================
MASTERCAFE SL - NIF B-82.617.614
www.mastercafe.com
Deleg. Asturias 
Tel 985.88.49.44 / 627.531.764
Fax 627.500.205
info at mastercafe.com
juan at mastercafe.com
Deleg. Madrid
Tel 627.474.285
cecilia at mastercafe.com
===========================================


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  8 20:44:12 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 21:44:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <000201c3a634$8b7ab1d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEBAFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Dan,

I appreciate this.  Unfortunately this doesn't really solve my problem.

I am designing a LightWeight Security system.  The system is designed to
control access to forms and controls such that a designer enters data in
tables that define who can see / open forms etc.  This means that I don't
control the properties of a form at run time.  It isn't my database.

My wizard has to be able to take ANY form and open it invisible.  Further,
if a form attempts to unhide, my wizard code has to determine if the current
user is allowed to unhide it, and if not then prevent the unhide.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 3:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John,

I have a startup form with quite a bit of startup code behind it.  To make
it invisible, I go to the database window, right-click the form, then select
properties.  Then check the Hidden checkbox.  Now the form will never
display, but all the code behind the form runs from the form's Open event.
The form also closes itself after it does all it's things and opens the
switchboard form.

For you to be able to see and select the form from the list in the database
window, go to Tools|Options, then select the View tab and check the Show
Hidden Objects checkbox.  Now, when the form list is displayed in the
database window, the startup form's small icon will be 'grayed out' to
indicate that this form is hidden.

As long as your users can't muck around in Tool|Options and can't open the
database window, this may work for you.

HTH!
Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:11 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Nov  8 22:20:19 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 20:20:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ADO Connection from FORM
In-Reply-To: <000201c3a642$75b7ad90$69fa2250@servercafe>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKEJJCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Jaun:

Only an ADP Access form can connection directly to recordset otherwise an
ODBC connection string can but that is one layer up from ADO-OLE and
performance tend much reduce especially if you have just requested a large
group of records. I tend to dynamically link and lock the recordset, instead
of the forms and use code to feed the forms. I am sure there is other
methods. I posted the following code a week ago but you might not have seen
it:

code >>>

Public mobjConn As ADODB.Connection
Public gstrConnection As String

On Error GoTo Err_NotConnected

' if your are connecting to MDB database
gstrConnection = "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0; _
               Persist Security Info=False; _
               Data Source= MyDatabaseNameAndLocation"

' Test connection string
Set mobjConn = New ADODB.Connection
mobjConn.ConnectionString = gstrConnection
mobjConn.Open
MsgBox "You are connected "

Exit_GetConnected:
 Exit Sub

Err_NotConnected:
 MsgBox "You are not connected "
 Resume Exit_GetConnected
..........

and everytime you want to connect after that...

 Dim cmdInvoice As ADODB.Command
 Public rsInvoice As ADODB.Recordset

 Set rsInvoice = New ADODB.Recordset
 Set cmdInvoice = New ADODB.Command

' accessing a parameterized query in a MDB database
With cmdInvoice
 .ActiveConnection = gstrConnection
 .CommandText = "MyQuery"
 .CommandType = adCmdStoredProc
 .Parameters.Append .CreateParameter("InvoiceCode", adChar, adParamInput,
10, strInvoiceCode)
End With

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
 .Open cmdInvoice
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GotInvoice = True
 End If
End With

...or direct, no command section needed

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
 .Open "SELECT * FROM Invoice " & _
             "ORDER BY [Group]", gstrConnection
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GotInvoice = True
 End If
End With

<<< code

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MastercafeCTV
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 1:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] ADO Connection from FORM


We are trying to connect from a FORM to and external MYDATA.MDB on a server.

We are sure that ADODB could be use but we only use ASP forms to make this
and put over the server.
On the ASP page is very simple to connect :
<CODE>
Set Ob_Conn=Server.CreateObject("adodb.connection")
Set Ob_RS=Server.CreateObject("adodb.recordset")
Ob_Conn.Open "Driver={Microsoft Access Driver (*.mdb)}; " & "Dbq=" &
Server.MapPath("datos.mdb")
Sql= "SELECT *  FROM productos where familiaid='"&cadena&"'  order by
codigo"
Ob_RS.open  Sql,Ob_Conn,adOpenStatic, adCmdTable
Ob_RS.PageSize = 6
Ob_RS.AbsolutePage=Session("pagina")
</CODE>

But to make the same on a simple FORM like a RecordSource?? Or in VB into de
form to collect some data to visualize ??

Thanks

Juan Men?ndez

===========================================
MASTERCAFE SL - NIF B-82.617.614
www.mastercafe.com
Deleg. Asturias
Tel 985.88.49.44 / 627.531.764
Fax 627.500.205
info at mastercafe.com
juan at mastercafe.com
Deleg. Madrid
Tel 627.474.285
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sat Nov  8 23:57:10 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 23:57:10 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227507@main2.marlow.com>

Sounds like you need to have a doevents or me.Repaint command.  You are
setting a form's visible property to false, but that requires a screen
repaint.  Just a guess.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby
To: AccessD
Sent: 11/8/03 10:10 AM
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open

I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless
of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and
stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly
hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sun Nov  9 00:05:48 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 00:05:48 -0600 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227508@main2.marlow.com>

What version of Outlook?  Looks like there was an option in versions before
2000.

Drew 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby
To: AccessD
Sent: 11/8/03 11:46 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification

Does anyone know how to turn off the little envelope icon that is placed
in
the tool tray when a new mail arrives?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From mastercafe at ctv.es  Sun Nov  9 00:24:11 2003
From: mastercafe at ctv.es (MastercafeCTV)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:24:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ADO Connection from FORM
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKEJJCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000201c3a68a$170ef620$69fa2250@servercafe>

Thanks Jim for your soon answer, but we have a dude.. 
How to convert and MDE/MDB application to ADP, and this ADP is compiled like
MDE?? Is possible make a distributable ADP applications? Is my first time
with ADP. And i need study and read some more information about this.

Juan

===========================================
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www.mastercafe.com
Deleg. Asturias 
Tel 985.88.49.44 / 627.531.764
Fax 627.500.205
info at mastercafe.com
juan at mastercafe.com
Deleg. Madrid
Tel 627.474.285
cecilia at mastercafe.com
===========================================


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: domingo, 09 de noviembre de 2003 5:20
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADO Connection from FORM


Hi Jaun:

Only an ADP Access form can connection directly to recordset otherwise an
ODBC connection string can but that is one layer up from ADO-OLE and
performance tend much reduce especially if you have just requested a large
group of records. I tend to dynamically link and lock the recordset, instead
of the forms and use code to feed the forms. I am sure there is other
methods. I posted the following code a week ago but you might not have seen
it:

code >>>

Public mobjConn As ADODB.Connection
Public gstrConnection As String

On Error GoTo Err_NotConnected

' if your are connecting to MDB database
gstrConnection = "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0; _
               Persist Security Info=False; _
               Data Source= MyDatabaseNameAndLocation"

' Test connection string
Set mobjConn = New ADODB.Connection
mobjConn.ConnectionString = gstrConnection
mobjConn.Open
MsgBox "You are connected "

Exit_GetConnected:
 Exit Sub

Err_NotConnected:
 MsgBox "You are not connected "
 Resume Exit_GetConnected
..........

and everytime you want to connect after that...

 Dim cmdInvoice As ADODB.Command
 Public rsInvoice As ADODB.Recordset

 Set rsInvoice = New ADODB.Recordset
 Set cmdInvoice = New ADODB.Command

' accessing a parameterized query in a MDB database
With cmdInvoice
 .ActiveConnection = gstrConnection
 .CommandText = "MyQuery"
 .CommandType = adCmdStoredProc
 .Parameters.Append .CreateParameter("InvoiceCode", adChar, adParamInput,
10, strInvoiceCode) End With

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
 .Open cmdInvoice
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GotInvoice = True
 End If
End With

...or direct, no command section needed

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
 .Open "SELECT * FROM Invoice " & _
             "ORDER BY [Group]", gstrConnection
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GotInvoice = True
 End If
End With

<<< code

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MastercafeCTV
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 1:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] ADO Connection from FORM


We are trying to connect from a FORM to and external MYDATA.MDB on a server.

We are sure that ADODB could be use but we only use ASP forms to make this
and put over the server. On the ASP page is very simple to connect : <CODE>
Set Ob_Conn=Server.CreateObject("adodb.connection")
Set Ob_RS=Server.CreateObject("adodb.recordset")
Ob_Conn.Open "Driver={Microsoft Access Driver (*.mdb)}; " & "Dbq=" &
Server.MapPath("datos.mdb")
Sql= "SELECT *  FROM productos where familiaid='"&cadena&"'  order by
codigo" Ob_RS.open  Sql,Ob_Conn,adOpenStatic, adCmdTable Ob_RS.PageSize = 6
Ob_RS.AbsolutePage=Session("pagina")
</CODE>

But to make the same on a simple FORM like a RecordSource?? Or in VB into de
form to collect some data to visualize ??

Thanks

Juan Men?ndez

===========================================
MASTERCAFE SL - NIF B-82.617.614
www.mastercafe.com
Deleg. Asturias
Tel 985.88.49.44 / 627.531.764
Fax 627.500.205
info at mastercafe.com
juan at mastercafe.com
Deleg. Madrid
Tel 627.474.285
cecilia at mastercafe.com ===========================================

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  9 06:14:27 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:14:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227508@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEBPFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

O2K

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 1:06 AM
To: 'AccessD '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification


What version of Outlook?  Looks like there was an option in versions before
2000.

Drew 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby
To: AccessD
Sent: 11/8/03 11:46 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification

Does anyone know how to turn off the little envelope icon that is placed
in
the tool tray when a new mail arrives?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  9 06:30:44 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 06:30:44 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification
Message-ID: <Sea1-F90pzhad2VqKwR0000493c@hotmail.com>

That's actually a Windows setting, not an Outlook setting.  I don't know 
which OS you're using, but I think what I'm about to describe started with 
Windows 2K.
Right-click on Start menu
Choose Properties
Click the Taskbar tab
At the bottom, under Notification Area, choose Customize
Find the "You have new unopened items" line and click where it says "Hide 
when Inactive" and change that to "Always Hide"

Hope that helps,
Gina


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Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:46:23 -0500

Does anyone know how to turn off the little envelope icon that is placed in
the tool tray when a new mail arrives?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Sun Nov  9 07:07:35 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 08:07:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEABFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3FADF5C7.14414.EA465@localhost>

On 8 Nov 2003 at 12:46, John Colby wrote:

> Does anyone know how to turn off the little envelope icon that is
> placed in the tool tray when a new mail arrives?

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Sun Nov  9 07:14:56 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 08:14:56 -0500
Subject: (Fwd) RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
Message-ID: <3FADF780.2161.155B6E@localhost>

Forwarded because of a bounce.

------- Forwarded message follows -------
Send reply to:  	<Robert at servicexp.com>
From:           	"Robert Gracie" <Robert at servicexp.com>
Date sent:      	Sat, 8 Nov 2003 23:37:08 -0500

John

This is real crude but will this work...

Form Level

Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
Dim ScrVis As Long
ScrVis = 0 'LWS Check Point
           'ScrCount is a global counter, to make sure we don't loop
If ScrVis = 0 And ScrCount = 0 Then ScrCount = 1 Call
Openform(Me.Name) End If End Sub

Module Level

Public Sub Openform(FrmName As String)
DoCmd.Close acForm, FrmName
DoCmd.Openform FrmName, , , , , acHidden
End Sub


Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 9:44 PM To: Access Developers
discussion and problem solving Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a
form invisible on open


Dan,

I appreciate this.  Unfortunately this doesn't really solve my
problem.

I am designing a LightWeight Security system.  The system is designed
to control access to forms and controls such that a designer enters
data in tables that define who can see / open forms etc.  This means
that I don't control the properties of a form at run time.  It isn't
my database.

My wizard has to be able to take ANY form and open it invisible. 
Further, if a form attempts to unhide, my wizard code has to 
determine
if the current user is allowed to unhide it, and if not then prevent
the unhide.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 3:12 PM To: 'Access Developers
discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting 
a
form invisible on open


John,

I have a startup form with quite a bit of startup code behind it.  To
make it invisible, I go to the database window, right-click the form,
then select properties.  Then check the Hidden checkbox.  Now the 
form
will never display, but all the code behind the form runs from the
form's Open event. The form also closes itself after it does all it's
things and opens the switchboard form.

For you to be able to see and select the form from the list in the
database window, go to Tools|Options, then select the View tab and
check the Show Hidden Objects checkbox.  Now, when the form list is
displayed in the database window, the startup form's small icon will
be 'grayed out' to indicate that this form is hidden.

As long as your users can't muck around in Tool|Options and can't 
open
the database window, this may work for you.

HTH!
Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:11 AM To: AccessD Subject:
[AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, 
regardless
of how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That
doesn't work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on 
the
line and stop execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the
form correctly hides itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Sun Nov  9 07:56:02 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 08:56:02 -0500
Subject: (Fwd) RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <3FADF780.2161.155B6E@localhost>
Message-ID: <PBEDKHOENPLNGHCEPCDPGEGMDEAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>

Thanks Bryon...

 I'm repost posting the code because of the formatting errors.

Form Level

Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
Dim ScrVis As Long
ScrVis = 0 'LWS Check Point
           'ScrCount is a global counter, to make sure we don't loop
If ScrVis = 0 And ScrCount = 0 Then
ScrCount = 1
Call Openform(Me.Name)
End If
End Sub

Module Level

Public Sub Openform(FrmName As String)
DoCmd.Close acForm, FrmName
DoCmd.Openform FrmName, , , , , acHidden
End Sub


Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com

SNIP



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Nov  9 08:39:53 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 08:39:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <546976.1068345991467.JavaMail.root@sniper.marix.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3a6cf$56e0f3d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>

John,

I also manage control formatting on forms based on user authorities, which
come from a table.  These authorities also determine who is authorized to
open a form, and the authorities are changed from time to time by a manager
at the company.  

A wild thought - Could your form have a timer event with a check on the
user's authorities?  If they are not authorized, then the form's visible
property could be reset to me.visible = false.  I guess you'd have to use
some fraction of a second as the timer frequency.  Maybe if a non-authorized
user viewing a form is an infrequent event this could work.  I guess if the
event could use local information this might be useful.  But if this is off
the wall, just sweep it up!

Best of Luck,
Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 8:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Dan,

I appreciate this.  Unfortunately this doesn't really solve my problem.

I am designing a LightWeight Security system.  The system is designed to
control access to forms and controls such that a designer enters data in
tables that define who can see / open forms etc.  This means that I don't
control the properties of a form at run time.  It isn't my database.

My wizard has to be able to take ANY form and open it invisible.  Further,
if a form attempts to unhide, my wizard code has to determine if the current
user is allowed to unhide it, and if not then prevent the unhide.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 3:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John,

I have a startup form with quite a bit of startup code behind it.  To make
it invisible, I go to the database window, right-click the form, then select
properties.  Then check the Hidden checkbox.  Now the form will never
display, but all the code behind the form runs from the form's Open event.
The form also closes itself after it does all it's things and opens the
switchboard form.

For you to be able to see and select the form from the list in the database
window, go to Tools|Options, then select the View tab and check the Show
Hidden Objects checkbox.  Now, when the form list is displayed in the
database window, the startup form's small icon will be 'grayed out' to
indicate that this form is hidden.

As long as your users can't muck around in Tool|Options and can't open the
database window, this may work for you.

HTH!
Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:11 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From tomk at multiline.com.au  Sat Nov  8 17:57:28 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:57:28 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] How do I place API file dialogue in centre of form
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF71F0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
	<42601.12.3.132.98.1067977717.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
	<001b01c3a4c8$206043a0$0300a8c0@print> <598340242.20031108120120@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001101c3a654$1154a710$0300a8c0@print>

Hi all...
I am using the code below to bring up a standard file dialogue in Windows to
select a file for import which works GREAT.

I would like however the dialogue to appear in the centre of the form it is
being called from. I believe this will have something to do with the HWND
but have no idea how to proceed from here.

Can anyone assist ?




Function APIDialogBox()
         Dim OpenFile As OPENFILENAME
         Dim lReturn As Long
         Dim sFilter As String
         OpenFile.lStructSize = Len(OpenFile)
         'OpenFile.hwndOwner = me.Hwnd
         'OpenFile.hInstance = App.hInstance
         sFilter = "Pied Piper Order Files (*.eml)" & Chr(0) & "*.eml" &
Chr(0) _
         & "OLD Pied Piper Order Files (*.XXX)" & Chr(0) & "*.XXX" & Chr(0)
_
         & "All Files (*.*)" & Chr(0) & "*.*" & Chr(0)
         'sFilter = "All Files (*.*)" & Chr(0) & "*.*" & Chr(0)
         OpenFile.lpstrFilter = sFilter
         'OpenFile.nFilterIndex = 1
         OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)

         OpenFile.nMaxFile = Len(OpenFile.lpstrFile) - 1
         OpenFile.lpstrFileTitle = OpenFile.lpstrFile
         OpenFile.nMaxFileTitle = OpenFile.nMaxFile
         OpenFile.lpstrInitialDir = "C:\_WebOrders\"
         OpenFile.lpstrTitle = "Please Select a Web Order"
         OpenFile.flags = 0
         lReturn = GetOpenFileName(OpenFile)
          If lReturn = 0 Then
            APIDialogBox = ""
         Else
            APIDialogBox = Trim(OpenFile.lpstrFile)
          'gives me pathname\filename
          OrdFilNam = OpenFile.lpstrFile
          'gives me filename
          filnam = OpenFile.lpstrFileTitle
          'gives me path\
          PthNam = Left(OpenFile.lpstrFile, OpenFile.nFileOffset)
          'Call WEBIMPORT
            End If


End Function


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  9 18:06:49 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:06:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <000001c3a6cf$56e0f3d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEDCFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I certainly can't have a timer going all of the time.  However I could have
a hidden form that the timer is turned on by demand.  A form opening that
needs to be invisible puts it's name in a variable (or in a collection)  The
code that does that could start the timer and set the time to 250 ms or
something.  The form put's it's name in a collection and closes.  The form's
timer then starts, which reads the form(s) out of the collection and opens
them invisible.

What a &^%$ing kludge!  Wouldn't it be nice if Access just worked?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 9:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John,

I also manage control formatting on forms based on user authorities, which
come from a table.  These authorities also determine who is authorized to
open a form, and the authorities are changed from time to time by a manager
at the company.

A wild thought - Could your form have a timer event with a check on the
user's authorities?  If they are not authorized, then the form's visible
property could be reset to me.visible = false.  I guess you'd have to use
some fraction of a second as the timer frequency.  Maybe if a non-authorized
user viewing a form is an infrequent event this could work.  I guess if the
event could use local information this might be useful.  But if this is off
the wall, just sweep it up!

Best of Luck,
Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 8:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Dan,

I appreciate this.  Unfortunately this doesn't really solve my problem.

I am designing a LightWeight Security system.  The system is designed to
control access to forms and controls such that a designer enters data in
tables that define who can see / open forms etc.  This means that I don't
control the properties of a form at run time.  It isn't my database.

My wizard has to be able to take ANY form and open it invisible.  Further,
if a form attempts to unhide, my wizard code has to determine if the current
user is allowed to unhide it, and if not then prevent the unhide.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 3:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John,

I have a startup form with quite a bit of startup code behind it.  To make
it invisible, I go to the database window, right-click the form, then select
properties.  Then check the Hidden checkbox.  Now the form will never
display, but all the code behind the form runs from the form's Open event.
The form also closes itself after it does all it's things and opens the
switchboard form.

For you to be able to see and select the form from the list in the database
window, go to Tools|Options, then select the View tab and check the Show
Hidden Objects checkbox.  Now, when the form list is displayed in the
database window, the startup form's small icon will be 'grayed out' to
indicate that this form is hidden.

As long as your users can't muck around in Tool|Options and can't open the
database window, this may work for you.

HTH!
Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:11 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jonper at oceanfree.net  Sun Nov  9 18:40:49 2003
From: jonper at oceanfree.net (John Fitz)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 00:40:49 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEDCFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <CPEOLPOJMFCHKHBBIDIPMEIKDGAA.jonper@oceanfree.net>


John,
	Try setting the detail section Visible property to No, the border property
to none and the navigation buttons to no. Then use your code to reset these
propeties as you wish. The fom will open invisible.


John Fitz.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: 10 November 2003 00:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I certainly can't have a timer going all of the time.  However I could have
a hidden form that the timer is turned on by demand.  A form opening that
needs to be invisible puts it's name in a variable (or in a collection)  The
code that does that could start the timer and set the time to 250 ms or
something.  The form put's it's name in a collection and closes.  The form's
timer then starts, which reads the form(s) out of the collection and opens
them invisible.

What a &^%$ing kludge!  Wouldn't it be nice if Access just worked?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 9:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John,

I also manage control formatting on forms based on user authorities, which
come from a table.  These authorities also determine who is authorized to
open a form, and the authorities are changed from time to time by a manager
at the company.

A wild thought - Could your form have a timer event with a check on the
user's authorities?  If they are not authorized, then the form's visible
property could be reset to me.visible = false.  I guess you'd have to use
some fraction of a second as the timer frequency.  Maybe if a non-authorized
user viewing a form is an infrequent event this could work.  I guess if the
event could use local information this might be useful.  But if this is off
the wall, just sweep it up!

Best of Luck,
Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 8:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Dan,

I appreciate this.  Unfortunately this doesn't really solve my problem.

I am designing a LightWeight Security system.  The system is designed to
control access to forms and controls such that a designer enters data in
tables that define who can see / open forms etc.  This means that I don't
control the properties of a form at run time.  It isn't my database.

My wizard has to be able to take ANY form and open it invisible.  Further,
if a form attempts to unhide, my wizard code has to determine if the current
user is allowed to unhide it, and if not then prevent the unhide.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 3:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John,

I have a startup form with quite a bit of startup code behind it.  To make
it invisible, I go to the database window, right-click the form, then select
properties.  Then check the Hidden checkbox.  Now the form will never
display, but all the code behind the form runs from the form's Open event.
The form also closes itself after it does all it's things and opens the
switchboard form.

For you to be able to see and select the form from the list in the database
window, go to Tools|Options, then select the View tab and check the Show
Hidden Objects checkbox.  Now, when the form list is displayed in the
database window, the startup form's small icon will be 'grayed out' to
indicate that this form is hidden.

As long as your users can't muck around in Tool|Options and can't open the
database window, this may work for you.

HTH!
Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:11 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Nov  9 20:50:50 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:50:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] How do I place API file dialogue in centre of form
In-Reply-To: <001101c3a654$1154a710$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <3FAF89AA.28465.F495C@localhost>

On 9 Nov 2003 at 7:57, Tom Keatley wrote:

> Hi all...
> I am using the code below to bring up a standard file dialogue in Windows to
> select a file for import which works GREAT.
> 
> I would like however the dialogue to appear in the centre of the form it is
> being called from. I believe this will have something to do with the HWND
> but have no idea how to proceed from here.
> 
> Can anyone assist ?
> 
>
Just uncomment the line 
    'OpenFile.hwndOwner = me.Hwnd

and the dialog becomes a child of the form is opened from.


> 
> 
> Function APIDialogBox()
>          Dim OpenFile As OPENFILENAME
>          Dim lReturn As Long
>          Dim sFilter As String
>          OpenFile.lStructSize = Len(OpenFile)
>          'OpenFile.hwndOwner = me.Hwnd
>          'OpenFile.hInstance = App.hInstance
>          sFilter = "Pied Piper Order Files (*.eml)" & Chr(0) & "*.eml" &
> Chr(0) _
>          & "OLD Pied Piper Order Files (*.XXX)" & Chr(0) & "*.XXX" & Chr(0)
> _
>          & "All Files (*.*)" & Chr(0) & "*.*" & Chr(0)
>          'sFilter = "All Files (*.*)" & Chr(0) & "*.*" & Chr(0)
>          OpenFile.lpstrFilter = sFilter
>          'OpenFile.nFilterIndex = 1
>          OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)
> 
>          OpenFile.nMaxFile = Len(OpenFile.lpstrFile) - 1
>          OpenFile.lpstrFileTitle = OpenFile.lpstrFile
>          OpenFile.nMaxFileTitle = OpenFile.nMaxFile
>          OpenFile.lpstrInitialDir = "C:\_WebOrders\"
>          OpenFile.lpstrTitle = "Please Select a Web Order"
>          OpenFile.flags = 0
>          lReturn = GetOpenFileName(OpenFile)
>           If lReturn = 0 Then
>             APIDialogBox = ""
>          Else
>             APIDialogBox = Trim(OpenFile.lpstrFile)
>           'gives me pathname\filename
>           OrdFilNam = OpenFile.lpstrFile
>           'gives me filename
>           filnam = OpenFile.lpstrFileTitle
>           'gives me path\
>           PthNam = Left(OpenFile.lpstrFile, OpenFile.nFileOffset)
>           'Call WEBIMPORT
>             End If
> 
> 
> End Function
> 
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Mon Nov 10 03:39:35 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:39:35 -0000
Subject: FW: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C66F8@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Forwarded on behalf of Robert; Bryan can you check why this message was
blocked?

thanks

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Gracie [mailto:Robert at servicexp.com] 
Sent: 09 November 2003 04:37
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John

This is real crude but will this work...

Form Level

Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
Dim ScrVis As Long
ScrVis = 0 'LWS Check Point
           'ScrCount is a global counter, to make sure we don't loop If
ScrVis = 0 And ScrCount = 0 Then ScrCount = 1 Call Openform(Me.Name) End If
End Sub

Module Level

Public Sub Openform(FrmName As String)
DoCmd.Close acForm, FrmName
DoCmd.Openform FrmName, , , , , acHidden
End Sub


Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 9:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Dan,

I appreciate this.  Unfortunately this doesn't really solve my problem.

I am designing a LightWeight Security system.  The system is designed to
control access to forms and controls such that a designer enters data in
tables that define who can see / open forms etc.  This means that I don't
control the properties of a form at run time.  It isn't my database.

My wizard has to be able to take ANY form and open it invisible.  Further,
if a form attempts to unhide, my wizard code has to determine if the current
user is allowed to unhide it, and if not then prevent the unhide.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 3:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John,

I have a startup form with quite a bit of startup code behind it.  To make
it invisible, I go to the database window, right-click the form, then select
properties.  Then check the Hidden checkbox.  Now the form will never
display, but all the code behind the form runs from the form's Open event.
The form also closes itself after it does all it's things and opens the
switchboard form.

For you to be able to see and select the form from the list in the database
window, go to Tools|Options, then select the View tab and check the Show
Hidden Objects checkbox.  Now, when the form list is displayed in the
database window, the startup form's small icon will be 'grayed out' to
indicate that this form is hidden.

As long as your users can't muck around in Tool|Options and can't open the
database window, this may work for you.

HTH!
Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:11 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Mon Nov 10 09:07:24 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:07:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7822@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

John -
Try going to Tools>Options.
On the Preferences tab, click Email Options.
In the next window, click Advanced Email Options.
Uncheck the option 'Show an envelope icon in the system tray'.

Mark Boyd
Sr. Systems Analyst
McBee Associates, Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 12:46 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification

Does anyone know how to turn off the little envelope icon that is placed
in
the tool tray when a new mail arrives?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 10 09:30:58 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:30:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification
In-Reply-To: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7822@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEENFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Mark,

I follow you all the way to the last line, but there is no such checkbox.

Outlook 2000 on Win2K.  I could SWEAR I turned this thing on, now I just
want to turn it off!

8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Boyd
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification


John -
Try going to Tools>Options.
On the Preferences tab, click Email Options.
In the next window, click Advanced Email Options.
Uncheck the option 'Show an envelope icon in the system tray'.

Mark Boyd
Sr. Systems Analyst
McBee Associates, Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 12:46 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification

Does anyone know how to turn off the little envelope icon that is placed
in
the tool tray when a new mail arrives?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 10 10:43:10 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:43:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ADO Connection from FORM
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631242D@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

You can create a compiled ADE from an ADP, and yes, you can create distributable ADP applications.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MastercafeCTV [mailto:mastercafe at ctv.es] 
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:24 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADO Connection from FORM


Thanks Jim for your soon answer, but we have a dude.. 
How to convert and MDE/MDB application to ADP, and this ADP is compiled like MDE?? Is possible make a distributable ADP applications? Is my first time with ADP. And i need study and read some more information about this.

Juan

===========================================
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: domingo, 09 de noviembre de 2003 5:20
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADO Connection from FORM


Hi Jaun:

Only an ADP Access form can connection directly to recordset otherwise an ODBC connection string can but that is one layer up from ADO-OLE and performance tend much reduce especially if you have just requested a large group of records. I tend to dynamically link and lock the recordset, instead of the forms and use code to feed the forms. I am sure there is other methods. I posted the following code a week ago but you might not have seen
it:

code >>>

Public mobjConn As ADODB.Connection
Public gstrConnection As String

On Error GoTo Err_NotConnected

' if your are connecting to MDB database
gstrConnection = "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0; _
               Persist Security Info=False; _
               Data Source= MyDatabaseNameAndLocation"

' Test connection string
Set mobjConn = New ADODB.Connection
mobjConn.ConnectionString = gstrConnection
mobjConn.Open
MsgBox "You are connected "

Exit_GetConnected:
 Exit Sub

Err_NotConnected:
 MsgBox "You are not connected "
 Resume Exit_GetConnected
..........

and everytime you want to connect after that...

 Dim cmdInvoice As ADODB.Command
 Public rsInvoice As ADODB.Recordset

 Set rsInvoice = New ADODB.Recordset
 Set cmdInvoice = New ADODB.Command

' accessing a parameterized query in a MDB database
With cmdInvoice
 .ActiveConnection = gstrConnection
 .CommandText = "MyQuery"
 .CommandType = adCmdStoredProc
 .Parameters.Append .CreateParameter("InvoiceCode", adChar, adParamInput, 10, strInvoiceCode) End With

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
 .Open cmdInvoice
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GotInvoice = True
 End If
End With

...or direct, no command section needed

With rsInvoice
 .CursorLocation = adUseClient
 .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
 .Open "SELECT * FROM Invoice " & _
             "ORDER BY [Group]", gstrConnection
 If .EOF = False And .BOF = False Then
  .MoveLast
  GotInvoice = True
 End If
End With

<<< code

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MastercafeCTV
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 1:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] ADO Connection from FORM


We are trying to connect from a FORM to and external MYDATA.MDB on a server.

We are sure that ADODB could be use but we only use ASP forms to make this and put over the server. On the ASP page is very simple to connect : <CODE> Set Ob_Conn=Server.CreateObject("adodb.connection")
Set Ob_RS=Server.CreateObject("adodb.recordset")
Ob_Conn.Open "Driver={Microsoft Access Driver (*.mdb)}; " & "Dbq=" &
Server.MapPath("datos.mdb")
Sql= "SELECT *  FROM productos where familiaid='"&cadena&"'  order by codigo" Ob_RS.open  Sql,Ob_Conn,adOpenStatic, adCmdTable Ob_RS.PageSize = 6
Ob_RS.AbsolutePage=Session("pagina")
</CODE>

But to make the same on a simple FORM like a RecordSource?? Or in VB into de form to collect some data to visualize ??

Thanks

Juan Men?ndez

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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Mon Nov 10 10:57:24 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:57:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D189896@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

I'm using Outlook 2002.  This must be a newer feature.
Sorry.
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification

Mark,

I follow you all the way to the last line, but there is no such
checkbox.

Outlook 2000 on Win2K.  I could SWEAR I turned this thing on, now I just
want to turn it off!

8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Boyd
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification


John -
Try going to Tools>Options.
On the Preferences tab, click Email Options.
In the next window, click Advanced Email Options.
Uncheck the option 'Show an envelope icon in the system tray'.

Mark Boyd
Sr. Systems Analyst
McBee Associates, Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 12:46 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification

Does anyone know how to turn off the little envelope icon that is placed
in
the tool tray when a new mail arrives?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Mon Nov 10 12:42:31 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:42:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
In-Reply-To: <38712.12.3.132.98.1068064848.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C84F@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
	<38712.12.3.132.98.1068064848.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <16810.12.3.132.98.1068489751.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

Hey Group, I am not able to put conditions in queries whee I use IIF. What
is the alternate solution ?
This works ---

SELECT Table3.amount,
IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
","055"))) AS HH,
IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
FROM Table3;

however when  Iput in WHERE

SELECT Table3.amount,
IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
","055"))) AS HH,
IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
FROM Table3
WHERE JJ = "zzz"

doesn't work. I tried inserting GROUP BY by all statements, and then
HAVING, but doesn't work either...


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 10 12:46:08 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:46:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: registry backup
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEFDFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Does anyone know if the registry is backed up automatically by Windows?  Can
it be?

I had a power failure this morning.  I have a UPS for each computer,
connected by serial port and they reported that they were shutting down
correctly, however when I came back up my main dev machine is pretty badly
mangled.  Had to go into safe mode and get rid of some of the start up stuff
to even get loaded, now just strange things - Access asks me if I want to
register my copy, the desktop is totally re-arranged, MS Messenger looks
different, Norton utilities won't run at all, Norton defrag says it's in a
bizarre location etc.

Sounds like a registry problem to me.

So... is there a backup somewhere?  If not, why not?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Mon Nov 10 12:00:59 2003
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:00:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEABFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00bb01c3a7b4$994f78a0$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>

John:

Two comments -

1. It escapes me why you would even want to manage an open, invisible form.
If the user can't view it, then by far the simplist thing to do is not open
it. Is there some other issue driving this need that you haven't elaborated
on?

2. The object method of opening a form, Set FormObject = New Form_FormName,
creates an invisible instance of your form. The user will be absolutely
unaware of its presence until you decide to show it by setting Visible
=True. That's the upside of this method. The downside is you can't use
DoCmd.OpenForm. Instead, you would have to write your own object-oriented
framework to manage the life of your forms.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


To expound a little, in my lightweight security I am trying to create
functionality such that if a user can open a form but not view that form,
then the form will open but immediately hide itself.

To test this scenario, in the forms Activate event I check whether the user
has permission to view the form.  If not I immediately set the form.visible
false.  When opening the form, Activate fires, but setting the form's
visible attribute false does not make the form invisible.

If I manually hide the form, then use Window / unhide to unhide the form,
Activate fires, the code sets visible false and the form immediately rehides
itself (as I would expect to happen).

If I manually use Window / Unhide a SECOND time, Activate NEVER FIRES so my
code does not get a chance to hide the form again.

You can test this for yourself by simply taking any form, creating an
Activate event stub, and placing me.visible = false in it.  The first time
you do Windows / Unhide the event fires, the second time it doesn't!

Furthermore, as you open the form the FIRST time, Activate fires, but
setting me.visible = false does not hide the form!

I do so love Access and all of it's "quirks/features/BUGS".

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:11 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Mon Nov 10 12:58:22 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:58:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: registry backup
Message-ID: <sfaf9988.049@cbc.ca>

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>>> jcolby at colbyconsulting.com 10-Nov-03 1:46:08 PM >>>
Does anyone know if the registry is backed up automatically by Windows?
 Can
it be?

I had a power failure this morning.  I have a UPS for each computer,
connected by serial port and they reported that they were shutting
down
correctly, however when I came back up my main dev machine is pretty
badly
mangled.  Had to go into safe mode and get rid of some of the start up
stuff
to even get loaded, now just strange things - Access asks me if I want
to
register my copy, the desktop is totally re-arranged, MS Messenger
looks
different, Norton utilities won't run at all, Norton defrag says it's
in a
bizarre location etc.

Sounds like a registry problem to me.

So... is there a backup somewhere?  If not, why not?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com 


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Nov 10 13:03:45 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:03:45 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
In-Reply-To: <16810.12.3.132.98.1068489751.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
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Oleg
You can't refer to an expression's name in the WHERE clause. Best way is to
create a little function (or two in this case). You can then refer to the
function's return value in the SELECT and WHERE clauses.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

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> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
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> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
> 
> 
> Hey Group, I am not able to put conditions in queries whee I 
> use IIF. What is the alternate solution ? This works ---
> 
> SELECT Table3.amount,
> IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
> ","055"))) AS HH,
> IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
> FROM Table3;
> 
> however when  Iput in WHERE
> 
> SELECT Table3.amount,
> IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
> ","055"))) AS HH,
> IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
> FROM Table3
> WHERE JJ = "zzz"
> 
> doesn't work. I tried inserting GROUP BY by all statements, 
> and then HAVING, but doesn't work either...
> 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 10 13:17:01 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:17:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c3a7b4$994f78a0$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEFFFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Ken,

I am writing a security utility aimed at other developers.  It is designed
to allow YOU (and me as a developer) to manage the presentation security of
a database front end.  IOW, what forms can a user / group open?  View?  Add
records to?  Delete records in?  Edit records in?  Etc.

As you can see, I am not necessarily "in control of" the target FE at design
time since the FE is YOURS.  Why would you want to open a form not visible?
Perhaps the form is a filter form that you use to feed values to a query.
Perhaps the form has a timer ticking that performs some process.  Perhaps...
uh... I have no damned idea what else you might decide to do with a form
that is open but that a selected group or groups of users are not allowed to
see.  I know that I personally use a hidden form to force a cleanup of my
framework when the database closes.  Since a form cannot close without it's
OnClose firing, I use that to run a Terminate() function that closes
everything gracefully.  So not matter how the db closes, my term() function
runs.

I cannot allow the users to unhide that since it is a background processing
form and they have no business there.

In the end though, the answer is I don't know why any given developer is
going to want to open a form that users can't see, I simply know that it
happens and I need to provide the developer with a means of enforcing this
security.

BTW, thanks for #2.  I knew that but never used it.  I will use that in my
own framework for hiding my cleanup form.  It may be an answer to re-opening
the form that the developer wants hidden such that users can't see them.

This thread has been a good one for me.

Thanks again.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John:

Two comments -

1. It escapes me why you would even want to manage an open, invisible form.
If the user can't view it, then by far the simplist thing to do is not open
it. Is there some other issue driving this need that you haven't elaborated
on?

2. The object method of opening a form, Set FormObject = New Form_FormName,
creates an invisible instance of your form. The user will be absolutely
unaware of its presence until you decide to show it by setting Visible
=True. That's the upside of this method. The downside is you can't use
DoCmd.OpenForm. Instead, you would have to write your own object-oriented
framework to manage the life of your forms.

-Ken

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Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


To expound a little, in my lightweight security I am trying to create
functionality such that if a user can open a form but not view that form,
then the form will open but immediately hide itself.

To test this scenario, in the forms Activate event I check whether the user
has permission to view the form.  If not I immediately set the form.visible
false.  When opening the form, Activate fires, but setting the form's
visible attribute false does not make the form invisible.

If I manually hide the form, then use Window / unhide to unhide the form,
Activate fires, the code sets visible false and the form immediately rehides
itself (as I would expect to happen).

If I manually use Window / Unhide a SECOND time, Activate NEVER FIRES so my
code does not get a chance to hide the form again.

You can test this for yourself by simply taking any form, creating an
Activate event stub, and placing me.visible = false in it.  The first time
you do Windows / Unhide the event fires, the second time it doesn't!

Furthermore, as you open the form the FIRST time, Activate fires, but
setting me.visible = false does not hide the form!

I do so love Access and all of it's "quirks/features/BUGS".

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:11 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

John W. Colby
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 10 13:22:03 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:22:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
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  Define the IIF() expression as a column (field), then place criteria on
that.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:43 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query


Hey Group, I am not able to put conditions in queries whee I use IIF. What
is the alternate solution ?
This works ---

SELECT Table3.amount,
IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
","055"))) AS HH,
IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
FROM Table3;

however when  Iput in WHERE

SELECT Table3.amount,
IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
","055"))) AS HH,
IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
FROM Table3
WHERE JJ = "zzz"

doesn't work. I tried inserting GROUP BY by all statements, and then
HAVING, but doesn't work either...


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Nov 10 13:50:15 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:50:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
Message-ID: <006001c3a7c3$dc8a7a70$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them to open the back end directly and they got the message which said database appears to be corrupted would you like to attempt repair, which they did and it appeared to go OK.

However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a record to a detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the command DoCmd.GoToRecord ,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to specified record'. 

When I run the query that is the record source for the subform, it does indeed not allow additions.

When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database everything works OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.  

Can this db be saved?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently the person responsible for backup up...didn't.

From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Mon Nov 10 13:53:39 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:53:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKGEDLHNAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
References: <16810.12.3.132.98.1068489751.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
        <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKGEDLHNAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <16448.12.3.132.98.1068494019.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

I don't understand what you mean...

>   Define the IIF() expression as a column (field), then place criteria
> on
> that.
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:43 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
>
>
> Hey Group, I am not able to put conditions in queries whee I use IIF.
> What is the alternate solution ?
> This works ---
>
> SELECT Table3.amount,
> IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
> ","055"))) AS HH,
> IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
> FROM Table3;
>
> however when  Iput in WHERE
>
> SELECT Table3.amount,
> IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
> ","055"))) AS HH,
> IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
> FROM Table3
> WHERE JJ = "zzz"
>
> doesn't work. I tried inserting GROUP BY by all statements, and then
> HAVING, but doesn't work either...
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 10 14:02:03 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:02:03 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312430@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Rocky,

You've GOT to get some different clients! LOL

What version of Access and have you tried building a new query?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:50 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


Dear List:

A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them to
open the back end directly and they got the message which said database
appears to be corrupted would you like to attempt repair, which they did
and it appeared to go OK.

However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a record
to a detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the command
DoCmd.GoToRecord ,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to specified
record'. 

When I run the query that is the record source for the subform, it does
indeed not allow additions.

When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database everything
works OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.  

Can this db be saved?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently the
person responsible for backup up...didn't.
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 10 14:17:18 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:17:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKGEDLHNAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKIEDOHNAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Sorry, read the question without looking at the SQL.  The SQL you have looks
fine.  What's the problem your having?

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 2:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query



  Define the IIF() expression as a column (field), then place criteria on
that.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:43 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query


Hey Group, I am not able to put conditions in queries whee I use IIF. What
is the alternate solution ?
This works ---

SELECT Table3.amount,
IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
","055"))) AS HH,
IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
FROM Table3;

however when  Iput in WHERE

SELECT Table3.amount,
IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
","055"))) AS HH,
IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
FROM Table3
WHERE JJ = "zzz"

doesn't work. I tried inserting GROUP BY by all statements, and then
HAVING, but doesn't work either...


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov 10 14:29:25 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:29:25 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227510@main2.marlow.com>

SOL, on an easy method then! <grin> though I think Mike Mattys posted a few
code methods.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 6:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification


O2K

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 1:06 AM
To: 'AccessD '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification


What version of Outlook?  Looks like there was an option in versions before
2000.

Drew 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby
To: AccessD
Sent: 11/8/03 11:46 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Outlook new mail notification

Does anyone know how to turn off the little envelope icon that is placed
in
the tool tray when a new mail arrives?

John W. Colby
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Nov 10 14:33:40 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:33:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312430@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00a101c3a7c9$ed9d4d00$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Charlotte:

Hey - this is the kind of client that pays the rent.  Anyway, it's not in
the query (which is in the front end) because when I restore an older copy
of their BE db the FE works just fine.

Since my first post I have determined that there is a parent record
(agreement header) missing in the header table which has 4 child records
(agreement details) in the detail table.  FK in those child records points
to a non-existent PK in the parent table).

So I think the repair didn't.  But on the surface, the orphan child records
alone should not product the result they're getting.  OTOH, it points to
other possible problems in the BE.

Rocky

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From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


> Rocky,
>
> You've GOT to get some different clients! LOL
>
> What version of Access and have you tried building a new query?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:50 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them to
> open the back end directly and they got the message which said database
> appears to be corrupted would you like to attempt repair, which they did
> and it appeared to go OK.
>
> However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a record
> to a detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the command
> DoCmd.GoToRecord ,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to specified
> record'.
>
> When I run the query that is the record source for the subform, it does
> indeed not allow additions.
>
> When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database everything
> works OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.
>
> Can this db be saved?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
> P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently the
> person responsible for backup up...didn't.
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov 10 14:39:32 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:39:32 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227511@main2.marlow.com>

JC, did you try my repaint or doevents suggestion?

Drew

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From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Ken,

I am writing a security utility aimed at other developers.  It is designed
to allow YOU (and me as a developer) to manage the presentation security of
a database front end.  IOW, what forms can a user / group open?  View?  Add
records to?  Delete records in?  Edit records in?  Etc.

As you can see, I am not necessarily "in control of" the target FE at design
time since the FE is YOURS.  Why would you want to open a form not visible?
Perhaps the form is a filter form that you use to feed values to a query.
Perhaps the form has a timer ticking that performs some process.  Perhaps...
uh... I have no damned idea what else you might decide to do with a form
that is open but that a selected group or groups of users are not allowed to
see.  I know that I personally use a hidden form to force a cleanup of my
framework when the database closes.  Since a form cannot close without it's
OnClose firing, I use that to run a Terminate() function that closes
everything gracefully.  So not matter how the db closes, my term() function
runs.

I cannot allow the users to unhide that since it is a background processing
form and they have no business there.

In the end though, the answer is I don't know why any given developer is
going to want to open a form that users can't see, I simply know that it
happens and I need to provide the developer with a means of enforcing this
security.

BTW, thanks for #2.  I knew that but never used it.  I will use that in my
own framework for hiding my cleanup form.  It may be an answer to re-opening
the form that the developer wants hidden such that users can't see them.

This thread has been a good one for me.

Thanks again.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John:

Two comments -

1. It escapes me why you would even want to manage an open, invisible form.
If the user can't view it, then by far the simplist thing to do is not open
it. Is there some other issue driving this need that you haven't elaborated
on?

2. The object method of opening a form, Set FormObject = New Form_FormName,
creates an invisible instance of your form. The user will be absolutely
unaware of its presence until you decide to show it by setting Visible
=True. That's the upside of this method. The downside is you can't use
DoCmd.OpenForm. Instead, you would have to write your own object-oriented
framework to manage the life of your forms.

-Ken

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From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


To expound a little, in my lightweight security I am trying to create
functionality such that if a user can open a form but not view that form,
then the form will open but immediately hide itself.

To test this scenario, in the forms Activate event I check whether the user
has permission to view the form.  If not I immediately set the form.visible
false.  When opening the form, Activate fires, but setting the form's
visible attribute false does not make the form invisible.

If I manually hide the form, then use Window / unhide to unhide the form,
Activate fires, the code sets visible false and the form immediately rehides
itself (as I would expect to happen).

If I manually use Window / Unhide a SECOND time, Activate NEVER FIRES so my
code does not get a chance to hide the form again.

You can test this for yourself by simply taking any form, creating an
Activate event stub, and placing me.visible = false in it.  The first time
you do Windows / Unhide the event fires, the second time it doesn't!

Furthermore, as you open the form the FIRST time, Activate fires, but
setting me.visible = false does not hide the form!

I do so love Access and all of it's "quirks/features/BUGS".

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:11 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


I have a form I want to open invisible every time it opens, regardless of
how it is opened.  I placed me.visible = false in OnOpen.  That doesn't
work!  The strange part is that if I place a breakpoint on the line and stop
execution on the me.visible = false, then continue, the form correctly hides
itself.

Has anyone ever seen such a strangeness?

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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Mon Nov 10 15:07:15 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:07:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKIEDOHNAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
References: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKGEDLHNAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
        <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKIEDOHNAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <16363.12.3.132.98.1068498435.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

if i just say 'WHERE JJ = "zzz" 'I get prompted to enter Parameter
if i write
WHERE (((IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz"))="zzz"));
i get prompted for HH

Am I supposed to write it all out ?
the origina l is kinda long, and I keep getting lost in perentasis and
brackets

SELECT Table3.color, Table3.furniture, Table3.amount, IIf([Amount]="3
","055") AS Expr2, IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2
","060010",IIf([Amount]="3 ","055"))) AS HH, IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz") AS
JJ
FROM Table3

> Sorry, read the question without looking at the SQL.  The SQL you have
> looks fine.  What's the problem your having?
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 2:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
>
>
>
>   Define the IIF() expression as a column (field), then place criteria
> on
> that.
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:43 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
>
>
> Hey Group, I am not able to put conditions in queries whee I use IIF.
> What is the alternate solution ?
> This works ---
>
> SELECT Table3.amount,
> IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
> ","055"))) AS HH,
> IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
> FROM Table3;
>
> however when  Iput in WHERE
>
> SELECT Table3.amount,
> IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
> ","055"))) AS HH,
> IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
> FROM Table3
> WHERE JJ = "zzz"
>
> doesn't work. I tried inserting GROUP BY by all statements, and then
> HAVING, but doesn't work either...
>
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From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Mon Nov 10 15:38:37 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:38:37 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7CDF@EXCHMAIL>

Rocky, can you compact the db? Maybe it has corrupted records. Usually if its bad enough, you will get an error massage stating "you and another user are attempting to view the same record..." and leave you with an uncompacted mdb and a new db1.mdb. Maybe they got that message and didn't tell you when they repaired the mdb?

David

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


Charlotte:

Hey - this is the kind of client that pays the rent.  Anyway, it's not in
the query (which is in the front end) because when I restore an older copy
of their BE db the FE works just fine.

Since my first post I have determined that there is a parent record
(agreement header) missing in the header table which has 4 child records
(agreement details) in the detail table.  FK in those child records points
to a non-existent PK in the parent table).

So I think the repair didn't.  But on the surface, the orphan child records
alone should not product the result they're getting.  OTOH, it points to
other possible problems in the BE.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


> Rocky,
>
> You've GOT to get some different clients! LOL
>
> What version of Access and have you tried building a new query?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:50 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them to
> open the back end directly and they got the message which said database
> appears to be corrupted would you like to attempt repair, which they did
> and it appeared to go OK.
>
> However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a record
> to a detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the command
> DoCmd.GoToRecord ,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to specified
> record'.
>
> When I run the query that is the record source for the subform, it does
> indeed not allow additions.
>
> When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database everything
> works OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.
>
> Can this db be saved?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
> P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently the
> person responsible for backup up...didn't.
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Mon Nov 10 16:41:05 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:11:05 +1030
Subject: [AccessD] OT: registry backup
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A4FB@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

It would be in the location where you saved your most recent backup!

(Registry is backed up when you include 'system state')

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 11 November 2003 5:16 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: registry backup


Does anyone know if the registry is backed up automatically by Windows?  Can
it be?

I had a power failure this morning.  I have a UPS for each computer,
connected by serial port and they reported that they were shutting down
correctly, however when I came back up my main dev machine is pretty badly
mangled.  Had to go into safe mode and get rid of some of the start up stuff
to even get loaded, now just strange things - Access asks me if I want to
register my copy, the desktop is totally re-arranged, MS Messenger looks
different, Norton utilities won't run at all, Norton defrag says it's in a
bizarre location etc.

Sounds like a registry problem to me.

So... is there a backup somewhere?  If not, why not?

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Nov 10 17:16:52 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:16:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
References: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7CDF@EXCHMAIL>
Message-ID: <00db01c3a7e0$b991f850$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

"Maybe they got that message and didn't tell you..."

I suppose that could possibly happen.  :)

Compact didn't help.  I even put it through the decompile even though there
was no code, just a shot in the dark..  no soap.

They were able to print out all of the data entered since their last backup,
and restore that backup and are now going to re-enter the data, and
hopefully they'll be a little more rigorous in the future about making and
verifying backups.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David McAfee" <DMcAfee at haascnc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:38 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


> Rocky, can you compact the db? Maybe it has corrupted records. Usually if
its bad enough, you will get an error massage stating "you and another user
are attempting to view the same record..." and leave you with an uncompacted
mdb and a new db1.mdb. Maybe they got that message and didn't tell you when
they repaired the mdb?
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:34 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> Charlotte:
>
> Hey - this is the kind of client that pays the rent.  Anyway, it's not in
> the query (which is in the front end) because when I restore an older copy
> of their BE db the FE works just fine.
>
> Since my first post I have determined that there is a parent record
> (agreement header) missing in the header table which has 4 child records
> (agreement details) in the detail table.  FK in those child records points
> to a non-existent PK in the parent table).
>
> So I think the repair didn't.  But on the surface, the orphan child
records
> alone should not product the result they're getting.  OTOH, it points to
> other possible problems in the BE.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > You've GOT to get some different clients! LOL
> >
> > What version of Access and have you tried building a new query?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:50 AM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them to
> > open the back end directly and they got the message which said database
> > appears to be corrupted would you like to attempt repair, which they did
> > and it appeared to go OK.
> >
> > However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a record
> > to a detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the command
> > DoCmd.GoToRecord ,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to specified
> > record'.
> >
> > When I run the query that is the record source for the subform, it does
> > indeed not allow additions.
> >
> > When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database everything
> > works OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.
> >
> > Can this db be saved?
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently the
> > person responsible for backup up...didn't.
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 10 17:33:27 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:33:27 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
In-Reply-To: <006001c3a7c3$dc8a7a70$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKICEPBEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Rocky,
Sounds like you might want to bookmark this site:
http://www.repair-access-database.com/
:o)

John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:50 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
> 
> 
> Dear List:
> 
> A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them 
> to open the back end directly and they got the message which said 
> database appears to be corrupted would you like to attempt 
> repair, which they did and it appeared to go OK.
> 
> However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a 
> record to a detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the 
> command DoCmd.GoToRecord ,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to 
> specified record'. 
> 
> When I run the query that is the record source for the subform, 
> it does indeed not allow additions.
> 
> When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database 
> everything works OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.  
> 
> Can this db be saved?
> 
> MTIA,
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 
> P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently 
> the person responsible for backup up...didn't.
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon Nov 10 17:52:37 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:52:37 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKICEPBEMAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <00e701c3a7e5$b871a1f0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

John:

Done.  Thanks.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:33 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


> Hi Rocky,
> Sounds like you might want to bookmark this site:
> http://www.repair-access-database.com/
> :o)
>
> John B.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:50 PM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them
> > to open the back end directly and they got the message which said
> > database appears to be corrupted would you like to attempt
> > repair, which they did and it appeared to go OK.
> >
> > However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a
> > record to a detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the
> > command DoCmd.GoToRecord ,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to
> > specified record'.
> >
> > When I run the query that is the record source for the subform,
> > it does indeed not allow additions.
> >
> > When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database
> > everything works OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.
> >
> > Can this db be saved?
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently
> > the person responsible for backup up...didn't.
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 10 18:25:46 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:25:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEGCFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

65000 files in 7000 folders just in jcolby directory of documents and
settings.  Among them the PST file for Outlook.  What other buried treasures
are in there that should be in My Documents?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 10 19:01:00 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:01:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312433@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I HATE that documents and settings folder!  I put all my Outlook pst
files on my D: drive in a folder called Outlook.  Then I can find them
again and they aren't part of my ever expanding (metaphorically speaking
<G>) profile.  Um ... Where do you think "My Documents" is, John?
Unless you created one elsewhere, it and your desktop are also under
*documents and settings*.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 4:26 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe


65000 files in 7000 folders just in jcolby directory of documents and
settings.  Among them the PST file for Outlook.  What other buried
treasures are in there that should be in My Documents?

John W. Colby
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov 10 19:13:00 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:13:00 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222752B@main2.marlow.com>

You can move where 'My Documents' is pointing too.  It's pretty easy.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 7:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Would you believe


I HATE that documents and settings folder!  I put all my Outlook pst
files on my D: drive in a folder called Outlook.  Then I can find them
again and they aren't part of my ever expanding (metaphorically speaking
<G>) profile.  Um ... Where do you think "My Documents" is, John?
Unless you created one elsewhere, it and your desktop are also under
*documents and settings*.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 4:26 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe


65000 files in 7000 folders just in jcolby directory of documents and
settings.  Among them the PST file for Outlook.  What other buried
treasures are in there that should be in My Documents?

John W. Colby
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From djkr at msn.com  Mon Nov 10 19:42:20 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:42:20 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Would you believe
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEGCFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c3a7f5$0bb62b60$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

(123,000 here)  Why do you think that the .pst file should be in My
Documents?

John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: 11 November 2003 00:26
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
> 
> 
> 65000 files in 7000 folders just in jcolby directory of 
> documents and settings.  Among them the PST file for Outlook. 
>  What other buried treasures are in there that should be in 
> My Documents?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> 
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Mon Nov 10 20:11:44 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:11:44 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Would you believe
In-Reply-To: <002a01c3a7f5$0bb62b60$bf00a8c0@dabsight>
Message-ID: <009401c3a7f9$27999de0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Well ... I personally like to keep anything that needs to survive an OS install
on a separate partition.  If I need to zap my machine, I can wipe my c drive and
reinstall windows and the apps (or ghost them back).  I would be *really*
unhappy if the outlook.pst file was included in that wipe.  So it happens to be
one of the things that I moved out of documents and settings.

Personally I could quite happily lose most of the profiling that MS puts in
Documents and Settings, and I only use IE on activex required sites, so for me
not even things like bookmarks are kept there.  Though I did move them when I
used IE more.  I tended to and still do move a number of windows default
locations via registry hack ... That includes "My Documents" since many apps
default to that as a save location, and I don't want it buried down multiple
levels of folder on a drive that I plan to wipe when windows next decides to be
a nuisance.

This win2k install has been pretty good ... It has been 18 months since I built
this one, and as a developer I do mess around with it a bit.  I remember with
win98 going 6 months was pretty good.  But then I have also become somewhat
comfortable with manually (and I do mean manually) cleaning the registry of apps
that don't decide to play well with windows.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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> DJK(John) Robinson
> Sent: Tuesday, 11 November, 2003 9:42 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Would you believe
>
>
> (123,000 here)  Why do you think that the .pst file should be in My
> Documents?
>
> John
>
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> John Colby
> > Sent: 11 November 2003 00:26
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
> >
> >
> > 65000 files in 7000 folders just in jcolby directory of
> > documents and settings.  Among them the PST file for Outlook.
> >  What other buried treasures are in there that should be in
> > My Documents?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> >
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From connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au  Mon Nov 10 20:14:38 2003
From: connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au (connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:14:38 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] RTrim
Message-ID: <OF9FA9103C.89DF58C3-ONCA256DDB.000C264A@agric.nsw.gov.au>

just a quick question


I have a database querie expression which is failing on a statement using 
RTrim. If I remove RTrim it works fine. 

I am on an XP machine running access 97 does anyone know any issue with 
RTrim and XP perhaps??

It works fine on a 98 machine with Access97.


Connie Kamrowski

Analyst/Programmer
Information Technology
NSW Agriculture
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon Nov 10 21:43:47 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:43:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Would you believe
References: <009401c3a7f9$27999de0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <3FB05AF3.6000908@shaw.ca>

I was just curious how much space was taken up by uninstalls for WinXP
both Service packs and hotfixes so I wrote this quick piece of code up
It just grabs the directory file size and totals the up.
Mine came to around 500 Mb for files such as

C:\WINDOWS\$NtServicePackUninstall$
C:\WINDOWS\$NtUninstallKB282010$



Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
'WriteFile("c:\windows")
  Public Function WriteFile(filespec)

      Dim objFSo
      Dim oFolder
      Dim cFolder
      Dim sReport
      Dim sUnit
      Dim s As String
      Dim ltot As Long
      ltot = 0
    Set objFSo = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
  '  Set sReport = objFSo.OpenTextFile("SpaceReport.TXT", ForAppending, 
True)
  '  sReport.Close
    Set oFolder = objFSo.GetFolder(filespec)
    Set cFolder = oFolder.SubFolders

    For Each sUnit In cFolder
     'If MinVal < sUnit.Size Then
     ' WriteFile (sUnit)
     If Mid(sUnit, 1, 14) = "C:\WINDOWS\$NT" Then
     ltot = ltot + sUnit.Size
     s = ShowFolderSize(sUnit)
     Debug.Print s
     ' Set sReport = objFSo.OpenTextFile("SpaceReport.TXT", 
ForAppending, True)
     ' sReport.WriteLine s
     ' sReport.Close
     End If
    Next
    Debug.Print "total=" & ltot & " -  " & ByteFilter(ltot)

  End Function
  Public Function ShowFolderSize(filespec) As String
  Dim FSO As Object
   Dim f As Object
   Dim BF As String
     Dim s As String
    If Right(filespec, 1) <> "\" Then
      filespec = filespec & "\"
    End If

    Set FSO = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set f = FSO.GetFolder(filespec)

'wscript.echo (f.size/1024)
' If Minval < f.size then

     BF = ByteFilter(f.Size)
      s = BF & vbTab & " are being used in:  " & vbTab & UCase(filespec)
      ShowFolderSize = s


' End If
  End Function


'---ByteFilter Function...----------------

  Public Function ByteFilter(ByteQuant) As String
  Dim BF As String
    If ByteQuant < 1024 Then
      BF = ByteQuant & vbTab & vbTab & "Bytes    "
    End If
    If 1024 <= ByteQuant And ByteQuant < 1048576 Then
      BF = CStr(ByteQuant / 1024) & vbTab & vbTab & "KiloBytes"
    End If
    If 1048576 <= ByteQuant And ByteQuant < 1073741824 Then
      BF = CStr(ByteQuant / 2 ^ 20) & vbTab & vbTab & "MegaBytes"
    End If
    If 1073741824 <= ByteQuant Then
      BF = CStr(ByteQuant / 2 ^ 30) & vbTab & vbTab & "GigaBytes"
    End If
  ByteFilter = BF
  End Function



-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From rjhjr at cox.net  Mon Nov 10 21:50:29 2003
From: rjhjr at cox.net (Bob Hall)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:50:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RTrim
In-Reply-To: <OF9FA9103C.89DF58C3-ONCA256DDB.000C264A@agric.nsw.gov.au>
References: <OF9FA9103C.89DF58C3-ONCA256DDB.000C264A@agric.nsw.gov.au>
Message-ID: <20031111035029.GA47446@kongemord.krig.net>

On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 01:14:38PM +1100, connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au wrote:
> just a quick question
> 
> 
> I have a database querie expression which is failing on a statement using 
> RTrim. If I remove RTrim it works fine. 
> 
> I am on an XP machine running access 97 does anyone know any issue with 
> RTrim and XP perhaps??
> 
> It works fine on a 98 machine with Access97.

It would make it easier if you supplied the error message(s). 

Check if you are missing any references in Access on the XP machine.
Functions will stop working if you lose the VBA reference, for example.

Bob Hall

From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov 11 03:09:09 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:09:09 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEFFFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEFFFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <1045175271.20031111100909@cactus.dk>

Hi John

I think Ken has a point here and that you maybe are overcomplicating
the task.
I mean - forms don't just open, and users don't unhide hidden forms;
how should they be able to do that when the developer has designed
menus and toolbars for his/her app?

Also, applying any form of security, light weight or not, the
developer will have to walk through the app from a to z and arrange
for modification of menus, buttons, labels ("Double click her to view
details") etc. If a button is labelled "Show details" on a form and it
should be disabled for certain users, he/she would need to either make
the button not visible or not enabled or pop up a message telling that
the user has been revoked rights to view the details; this I guess
would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool. Leaving the button as it is
and the user presses it and the details form just opens hidden is bad
UI design as the user has no chance for knowing what is going on other
than "it doesn't work".

/gustav


> Ken,

> I am writing a security utility aimed at other developers.  It is designed
> to allow YOU (and me as a developer) to manage the presentation security of
> a database front end.  IOW, what forms can a user / group open?  View?  Add
> records to?  Delete records in?  Edit records in?  Etc.

> As you can see, I am not necessarily "in control of" the target FE at design
> time since the FE is YOURS.  Why would you want to open a form not visible?
> Perhaps the form is a filter form that you use to feed values to a query.
> Perhaps the form has a timer ticking that performs some process.  Perhaps...
> uh... I have no damned idea what else you might decide to do with a form
> that is open but that a selected group or groups of users are not allowed to
> see.  I know that I personally use a hidden form to force a cleanup of my
> framework when the database closes.  Since a form cannot close without it's
> OnClose firing, I use that to run a Terminate() function that closes
> everything gracefully.  So not matter how the db closes, my term() function
> runs.

> I cannot allow the users to unhide that since it is a background processing
> form and they have no business there.

> In the end though, the answer is I don't know why any given developer is
> going to want to open a form that users can't see, I simply know that it
> happens and I need to provide the developer with a means of enforcing this
> security.

---

> 1. It escapes me why you would even want to manage an open, invisible form.
> If the user can't view it, then by far the simplist thing to do is not open
> it. Is there some other issue driving this need that you haven't elaborated
> on?


From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Tue Nov 11 03:37:01 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:37:01 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] Oleg - Where Clause in IIF query (Solved)
Message-ID: <22129108.1068543421488.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002>

Oleg,
 
Have you solved this yet, if not try the code below (you need a double select statement to get it to work how you want)
 
SELECT * 
FROM 
(SELECT Table3.amount, 
IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3 ","055"))) AS HH, 
IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ 
FROM Table3 )
WHERE JJ = "zzz";
 
Because the first query (in brackets) need to run/resolve before you can ask for a value from the alias column HH
 
Paul Hartland
Database Designer/Developer

From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov 11 03:54:47 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:54:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Would you believe
In-Reply-To: <009401c3a7f9$27999de0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
References: <009401c3a7f9$27999de0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <1647912687.20031111105447@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

> This win2k install has been pretty good ... It has been 18 months since I built
> this one, and as a developer I do mess around with it a bit. ..

What are you people doing? Mine has been running for 38 months ...

/gustav


From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue Nov 11 06:11:43 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:11:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Would you believe
In-Reply-To: <1647912687.20031111105447@cactus.dk>
References: <009401c3a7f9$27999de0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <3FB08BAF.11962.56DE3@localhost>

On 11 Nov 2003 at 10:54, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Stuart
> 
> > This win2k install has been pretty good ... It has been 18 months
> > since I built this one, and as a developer I do mess around with it
> > a bit. ..
> 
> What are you people doing? Mine has been running for 38 months ...
> 
> /gustav


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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 11 06:25:03 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:25:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
In-Reply-To: <16363.12.3.132.98.1068498435.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEEKHNAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Oleg,

  OK a couple of things.  First, no you don't have to write it all out.
Second, is [Amount] a numeric field?  Your not treating it like one.  Also,
your iif's are looking for "2 "  (two and a space). Bad idea to have
embedded spaces.  Third, you omitted the false conditions on the last IIF()
in both field definitions (I put ???? in as the value).

  Last, if you find the syntax difficult, either use the query designer to
build the SQL statement (which is what I do when a SQL statement gets long)
or use a function to remove all the IIF()'s as already suggested.

  He is the correct SQL:

SELECT Table1.Color, Table1.Furniture, Table1.Amount, IIf([Amount]="4
","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount]="3 ","055","????"))) AS HH,
IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy","????")) AS JJ
FROM Table1;

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 4:07 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query


if i just say 'WHERE JJ = "zzz" 'I get prompted to enter Parameter
if i write
WHERE (((IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz"))="zzz"));
i get prompted for HH

Am I supposed to write it all out ?
the origina l is kinda long, and I keep getting lost in perentasis and
brackets

SELECT Table3.color, Table3.furniture, Table3.amount, IIf([Amount]="3
","055") AS Expr2, IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2
","060010",IIf([Amount]="3 ","055"))) AS HH, IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz") AS
JJ
FROM Table3

> Sorry, read the question without looking at the SQL.  The SQL you have
> looks fine.  What's the problem your having?
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 2:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
>
>
>
>   Define the IIF() expression as a column (field), then place criteria
> on
> that.
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:43 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Where claise in IIf query
>
>
> Hey Group, I am not able to put conditions in queries whee I use IIF.
> What is the alternate solution ?
> This works ---
>
> SELECT Table3.amount,
> IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
> ","055"))) AS HH,
> IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
> FROM Table3;
>
> however when  Iput in WHERE
>
> SELECT Table3.amount,
> IIf([Amount]="4 ","777",IIf([Amount]="2 ","060010",IIf([Amount="3
> ","055"))) AS HH,
> IIf([HH]="060010 ","zzz",IIf([HH]="777 ","yyy")) AS JJ
> FROM Table3
> WHERE JJ = "zzz"
>
> doesn't work. I tried inserting GROUP BY by all statements, and then
> HAVING, but doesn't work either...
>
>
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Tue Nov 11 06:51:36 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:51:36 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] Formatting/Sorting columns in Excel via Access
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Tue Nov 11 08:51:08 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:51:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C6292A5@natexch.jenkens.com>

There is my tried and true of dumping all of the database into a new blank
database.  That has fixed quite a lot of messed up databases for me.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:50 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


Dear List:

A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them to open
the back end directly and they got the message which said database appears
to be corrupted would you like to attempt repair, which they did and it
appeared to go OK.

However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a record to a
detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the command DoCmd.GoToRecord
,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to specified record'. 

When I run the query that is the record source for the subform, it does
indeed not allow additions.

When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database everything works
OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.  

Can this db be saved?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently the person
responsible for backup up...didn't.
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Nov 11 09:22:32 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:22:32 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
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I've used that with some success as well.  Especially where a form is
corrupted.  But in this particular case, it failed.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elam, Debbie" <DElam at jenkens.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:51 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


> There is my tried and true of dumping all of the database into a new blank
> database.  That has fixed quite a lot of messed up databases for me.
>
> Debbie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:50 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them to open
> the back end directly and they got the message which said database appears
> to be corrupted would you like to attempt repair, which they did and it
> appeared to go OK.
>
> However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a record to
a
> detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the command DoCmd.GoToRecord
> ,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to specified record'.
>
> When I run the query that is the record source for the subform, it does
> indeed not allow additions.
>
> When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database everything
works
> OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.
>
> Can this db be saved?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
> P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently the person
> responsible for backup up...didn't.
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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Nov 11 09:48:15 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:48:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEGCFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEEPEEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

JC
Sucks, doesn't it?

A right click on "My Documents" in W2k will let you move it with hacking.
Then move the main .pst file to that location, open Outlook, it will ask
where it went, browse to locate it and as Jerry Pournelle would say: "Bob's
your uncle". You might also want to move all of your other Outlook settings
files there. If you have any other .pst files it is best to close them in
Outlook, move them and then reopen them from there.

I like the idea of "My Documents" being a place where all of my personal
stuff goes, makes backups nice and easy. Back when I was a SysAdmin I used
to do the same thing for all the users. I couldn't of course make eveything
know about my special folder but you'd think MS would. It would be nice if
everything just referred to the registry setting and worked without a bunch
of dinking around so when I moved it to some comprehensible file path that I
didn't have to spend an hour adjusting everything! I'll admit its gotten
better since its inception, but it has a ways to go yet.

HTH
JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 6:26 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
>
>
> 65000 files in 7000 folders just in jcolby directory of documents and
> settings.  Among them the PST file for Outlook.  What other
> buried treasures
> are in there that should be in My Documents?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 11 09:51:48 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:51:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <1045175271.20031111100909@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEIEFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Gustav,

>I mean - forms don't just open

Of course forms "just open".  What do you think the switchboard does?  It
"just opens" forms.  And plenty of developers use the switchboard.

>and users don't unhide hidden forms

Of course users unhide forms.  Users poke and pry, and go where they aren't
supposed to, and find all the chinks in your armor.  If it's not supposed to
be done, and you have locked that sucker down tight, a user WILL get in
there!

>he/she would need to either make the button not visible or not enabled or
pop up a message telling that the user has been revoked rights to view the
details; this I guess would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool.

No, in fact that is exactly the goal of my tool.  It allows you to create up
to 31 groups and unlimited users.  You then add users to groups, ala Windows
or SQL Server.  You then tell LWS "These groups can SEE these forms".
"These groups can see this control on this form".  etc.

The flip side of this is that any groups NOT allowed to SEE those forms, by
definition CAN'T SEE those forms.  And it is the job of LWS to guarantee
that those users CAN'T see forms they are not supposed to see.  Thus my
email - how do I GUARANTEE that a form that the user is not supposed to see
remains invisible?

The point here is that every one who has responded so far has simply taken
the point of view that "the developer will guarantee" or "users won't" or
"of course the developer will get rid of menus" etc.

We all know that NONE of these statements are true.  Developers
consistently, every day, fail to guarantee...  Users, every day,
consistently break into places where they aren't supposed to be, often quite
by accident.  And Of course, developers consistently, year after year fail
to remove menus.  In fact clients consistently, year after year DEMAND that
menus remain.  It is not realistic to start from the perfect world and
assume none of these things happen.

I have a simple question.  How many of us know how to build a table.  The
first thing all of you will say (waving hand in the air shouting
frantically) is "I do, I do".  But in fact I don't have a clue how to build
a table.  Or more correctly I can figure it out using DAO, and I can figure
it out using SQL but what do I do under normal circumstances?  Use a WIZARD.
The wizard knows how to build a table, I know how to use a wizard to build a
table.  Same with queries.

I am attempting to design a system (a wizard) that a developer can use to
set up the type of security we are discussing here, which I call
"presentation security".  Light Weight Security allows the developer (or
even the client) to set up the groups and users.  Once these two tables are
initialized, there is a "wizard" that allows the developer to select forms
and then assign groups that can Open/See/Edit/Delete/AddRec etc.  Whatever
the developer decides is stored in a pair of tables (forms and controls).

Notice that all of these things (except open) are nothing more than
properties of the form.  LWS is attempting to manipulate form properties
based upon information stored in tables.

The wizard will allow the developer to select a form, see all of the
controls on the form, and select controls that you wish to lock down such
that only specific groups can See/Enter/Edit.

That is LWS.  The group / user login stuff is working.  The FORM security is
working (minus a few inconsistencies in being able to hide the forms).  The
control security is not finished yet.  My post to this group was an attempt
to figure out how to allow LWS to consistently and reliably control the
VISIBILITY of a form.  Access does not make it easy, but I have had a couple
of good suggestions that will help me solve this problem.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Hi John

I think Ken has a point here and that you maybe are overcomplicating
the task.
I mean - forms don't just open, and users don't unhide hidden forms;
how should they be able to do that when the developer has designed
menus and toolbars for his/her app?

Also, applying any form of security, light weight or not, the
developer will have to walk through the app from a to z and arrange
for modification of menus, buttons, labels ("Double click her to view
details") etc. If a button is labelled "Show details" on a form and it
should be disabled for certain users, he/she would need to either make
the button not visible or not enabled or pop up a message telling that
the user has been revoked rights to view the details; this I guess
would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool. Leaving the button as it is
and the user presses it and the details form just opens hidden is bad
UI design as the user has no chance for knowing what is going on other
than "it doesn't work".

/gustav


> Ken,

> I am writing a security utility aimed at other developers.  It is designed
> to allow YOU (and me as a developer) to manage the presentation security
of
> a database front end.  IOW, what forms can a user / group open?  View?
Add
> records to?  Delete records in?  Edit records in?  Etc.

> As you can see, I am not necessarily "in control of" the target FE at
design
> time since the FE is YOURS.  Why would you want to open a form not
visible?
> Perhaps the form is a filter form that you use to feed values to a query.
> Perhaps the form has a timer ticking that performs some process.
Perhaps...
> uh... I have no damned idea what else you might decide to do with a form
> that is open but that a selected group or groups of users are not allowed
to
> see.  I know that I personally use a hidden form to force a cleanup of my
> framework when the database closes.  Since a form cannot close without
it's
> OnClose firing, I use that to run a Terminate() function that closes
> everything gracefully.  So not matter how the db closes, my term()
function
> runs.

> I cannot allow the users to unhide that since it is a background
processing
> form and they have no business there.

> In the end though, the answer is I don't know why any given developer is
> going to want to open a form that users can't see, I simply know that it
> happens and I need to provide the developer with a means of enforcing this
> security.

---

> 1. It escapes me why you would even want to manage an open, invisible
form.
> If the user can't view it, then by far the simplist thing to do is not
open
> it. Is there some other issue driving this need that you haven't
elaborated
> on?

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From jmhla at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 11 09:56:51 2003
From: jmhla at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:56:51 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
In-Reply-To: <00db01c3a7e0$b991f850$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <001801c3a86c$6ce2e7d0$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>

Can you export t

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


"Maybe they got that message and didn't tell you..."

I suppose that could possibly happen.  :)

Compact didn't help.  I even put it through the decompile even though
there was no code, just a shot in the dark..  no soap.

They were able to print out all of the data entered since their last
backup, and restore that backup and are now going to re-enter the data,
and hopefully they'll be a little more rigorous in the future about
making and verifying backups.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David McAfee" <DMcAfee at haascnc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:38 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


> Rocky, can you compact the db? Maybe it has corrupted records. Usually

> if
its bad enough, you will get an error massage stating "you and another
user are attempting to view the same record..." and leave you with an
uncompacted mdb and a new db1.mdb. Maybe they got that message and
didn't tell you when they repaired the mdb?
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:34 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> Charlotte:
>
> Hey - this is the kind of client that pays the rent.  Anyway, it's not

> in the query (which is in the front end) because when I restore an 
> older copy of their BE db the FE works just fine.
>
> Since my first post I have determined that there is a parent record 
> (agreement header) missing in the header table which has 4 child 
> records (agreement details) in the detail table.  FK in those child 
> records points to a non-existent PK in the parent table).
>
> So I think the repair didn't.  But on the surface, the orphan child
records
> alone should not product the result they're getting.  OTOH, it points 
> to other possible problems in the BE.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > You've GOT to get some different clients! LOL
> >
> > What version of Access and have you tried building a new query?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:50 AM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them to

> > open the back end directly and they got the message which said 
> > database appears to be corrupted would you like to attempt repair, 
> > which they did and it appeared to go OK.
> >
> > However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a 
> > record to a detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the command

> > DoCmd.GoToRecord ,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to specified 
> > record'.
> >
> > When I run the query that is the record source for the subform, it 
> > does indeed not allow additions.
> >
> > When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database 
> > everything works OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.
> >
> > Can this db be saved?
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently the 
> > person responsible for backup up...didn't. 
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From jmhla at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 11 09:57:54 2003
From: jmhla at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:57:54 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
In-Reply-To: <00db01c3a7e0$b991f850$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <001901c3a86c$9525c280$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>

Can you export the BE into a new a new db. That has saved me once or t

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


"Maybe they got that message and didn't tell you..."

I suppose that could possibly happen.  :)

Compact didn't help.  I even put it through the decompile even though
there was no code, just a shot in the dark..  no soap.

They were able to print out all of the data entered since their last
backup, and restore that backup and are now going to re-enter the data,
and hopefully they'll be a little more rigorous in the future about
making and verifying backups.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David McAfee" <DMcAfee at haascnc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:38 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


> Rocky, can you compact the db? Maybe it has corrupted records. Usually

> if
its bad enough, you will get an error massage stating "you and another
user are attempting to view the same record..." and leave you with an
uncompacted mdb and a new db1.mdb. Maybe they got that message and
didn't tell you when they repaired the mdb?
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:34 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> Charlotte:
>
> Hey - this is the kind of client that pays the rent.  Anyway, it's not

> in the query (which is in the front end) because when I restore an 
> older copy of their BE db the FE works just fine.
>
> Since my first post I have determined that there is a parent record 
> (agreement header) missing in the header table which has 4 child 
> records (agreement details) in the detail table.  FK in those child 
> records points to a non-existent PK in the parent table).
>
> So I think the repair didn't.  But on the surface, the orphan child
records
> alone should not product the result they're getting.  OTOH, it points 
> to other possible problems in the BE.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > You've GOT to get some different clients! LOL
> >
> > What version of Access and have you tried building a new query?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:50 AM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them to

> > open the back end directly and they got the message which said 
> > database appears to be corrupted would you like to attempt repair, 
> > which they did and it appeared to go OK.
> >
> > However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a 
> > record to a detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the command

> > DoCmd.GoToRecord ,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to specified 
> > record'.
> >
> > When I run the query that is the record source for the subform, it 
> > does indeed not allow additions.
> >
> > When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database 
> > everything works OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.
> >
> > Can this db be saved?
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently the 
> > person responsible for backup up...didn't. 
> > _______________________________________________
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From jmhla at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 11 09:59:50 2003
From: jmhla at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:59:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database Trying again.
In-Reply-To: <00db01c3a7e0$b991f850$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <001a01c3a86c$da157700$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>


Can you export the tables into a new BE. Try one table at a time to help
you identify where the problem is.

It has helped me once or twice.

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


"Maybe they got that message and didn't tell you..."

I suppose that could possibly happen.  :)

Compact didn't help.  I even put it through the decompile even though
there was no code, just a shot in the dark..  no soap.

They were able to print out all of the data entered since their last
backup, and restore that backup and are now going to re-enter the data,
and hopefully they'll be a little more rigorous in the future about
making and verifying backups.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David McAfee" <DMcAfee at haascnc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:38 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database


> Rocky, can you compact the db? Maybe it has corrupted records. Usually

> if
its bad enough, you will get an error massage stating "you and another
user are attempting to view the same record..." and leave you with an
uncompacted mdb and a new db1.mdb. Maybe they got that message and
didn't tell you when they repaired the mdb?
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin

> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:34 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> Charlotte:
>
> Hey - this is the kind of client that pays the rent.  Anyway, it's not

> in the query (which is in the front end) because when I restore an 
> older copy of their BE db the FE works just fine.
>
> Since my first post I have determined that there is a parent record 
> (agreement header) missing in the header table which has 4 child 
> records (agreement details) in the detail table.  FK in those child 
> records points to a non-existent PK in the parent table).
>
> So I think the repair didn't.  But on the surface, the orphan child
records
> alone should not product the result they're getting.  OTOH, it points 
> to other possible problems in the BE.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > You've GOT to get some different clients! LOL
> >
> > What version of Access and have you tried building a new query?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:50 AM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them to

> > open the back end directly and they got the message which said 
> > database appears to be corrupted would you like to attempt repair, 
> > which they did and it appeared to go OK.
> >
> > However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a 
> > record to a detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the command

> > DoCmd.GoToRecord ,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to specified 
> > record'.
> >
> > When I run the query that is the record source for the subform, it 
> > does indeed not allow additions.
> >
> > When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database 
> > everything works OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.
> >
> > Can this db be saved?
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> > P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently the 
> > person responsible for backup up...didn't. 
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com  Tue Nov 11 10:06:07 2003
From: scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com (Steve Capistrant)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:06:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database Trying again.
In-Reply-To: <001a01c3a86c$da157700$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>
Message-ID: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGOEBJDBAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>

Here's a trick that helps if your corruption rests in only selected records
(which I've experienced).  Open the suspected table, and sort the first
field, first in ascending order, then in descending order.  Bad records
often show up with garbled data displays at the top or bottom of sorted
lists.  Manually delete the offending records.  Repeat for each field.  Can
cure the whole table if corruption is isolated to records.

Steve Capistrant
Symphony Information Services
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 763-391-7400
7308 Aspen Lane North, Suite 132
Brooklyn Park, MN 55428




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 11 10:15:49 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:15:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312434@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Am I missing something, John?  If you're using a forms class, wouldn't
there be a test in the Form_Open event of the class to see whether the
user is allowed to view the form?  Or are you talking about users
managing to find their way into forms already opened hidden?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Gustav,

>I mean - forms don't just open

Of course forms "just open".  What do you think the switchboard does?
It "just opens" forms.  And plenty of developers use the switchboard.

>and users don't unhide hidden forms

Of course users unhide forms.  Users poke and pry, and go where they
aren't supposed to, and find all the chinks in your armor.  If it's not
supposed to be done, and you have locked that sucker down tight, a user
WILL get in there!

>he/she would need to either make the button not visible or not enabled 
>or
pop up a message telling that the user has been revoked rights to view
the details; this I guess would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool.

No, in fact that is exactly the goal of my tool.  It allows you to
create up to 31 groups and unlimited users.  You then add users to
groups, ala Windows or SQL Server.  You then tell LWS "These groups can
SEE these forms". "These groups can see this control on this form".
etc.

The flip side of this is that any groups NOT allowed to SEE those forms,
by definition CAN'T SEE those forms.  And it is the job of LWS to
guarantee that those users CAN'T see forms they are not supposed to see.
Thus my email - how do I GUARANTEE that a form that the user is not
supposed to see remains invisible?

The point here is that every one who has responded so far has simply
taken the point of view that "the developer will guarantee" or "users
won't" or "of course the developer will get rid of menus" etc.

We all know that NONE of these statements are true.  Developers
consistently, every day, fail to guarantee...  Users, every day,
consistently break into places where they aren't supposed to be, often
quite by accident.  And Of course, developers consistently, year after
year fail to remove menus.  In fact clients consistently, year after
year DEMAND that menus remain.  It is not realistic to start from the
perfect world and assume none of these things happen.

I have a simple question.  How many of us know how to build a table.
The first thing all of you will say (waving hand in the air shouting
frantically) is "I do, I do".  But in fact I don't have a clue how to
build a table.  Or more correctly I can figure it out using DAO, and I
can figure it out using SQL but what do I do under normal circumstances?
Use a WIZARD. The wizard knows how to build a table, I know how to use a
wizard to build a table.  Same with queries.

I am attempting to design a system (a wizard) that a developer can use
to set up the type of security we are discussing here, which I call
"presentation security".  Light Weight Security allows the developer (or
even the client) to set up the groups and users.  Once these two tables
are initialized, there is a "wizard" that allows the developer to select
forms and then assign groups that can Open/See/Edit/Delete/AddRec etc.
Whatever the developer decides is stored in a pair of tables (forms and
controls).

Notice that all of these things (except open) are nothing more than
properties of the form.  LWS is attempting to manipulate form properties
based upon information stored in tables.

The wizard will allow the developer to select a form, see all of the
controls on the form, and select controls that you wish to lock down
such that only specific groups can See/Enter/Edit.

That is LWS.  The group / user login stuff is working.  The FORM
security is working (minus a few inconsistencies in being able to hide
the forms).  The control security is not finished yet.  My post to this
group was an attempt to figure out how to allow LWS to consistently and
reliably control the VISIBILITY of a form.  Access does not make it
easy, but I have had a couple of good suggestions that will help me
solve this problem.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Hi John

I think Ken has a point here and that you maybe are overcomplicating the
task. I mean - forms don't just open, and users don't unhide hidden
forms; how should they be able to do that when the developer has
designed menus and toolbars for his/her app?

Also, applying any form of security, light weight or not, the developer
will have to walk through the app from a to z and arrange for
modification of menus, buttons, labels ("Double click her to view
details") etc. If a button is labelled "Show details" on a form and it
should be disabled for certain users, he/she would need to either make
the button not visible or not enabled or pop up a message telling that
the user has been revoked rights to view the details; this I guess would
be beyond the goal of your LWS tool. Leaving the button as it is and the
user presses it and the details form just opens hidden is bad UI design
as the user has no chance for knowing what is going on other than "it
doesn't work".

/gustav


> Ken,

> I am writing a security utility aimed at other developers.  It is 
> designed to allow YOU (and me as a developer) to manage the 
> presentation security
of
> a database front end.  IOW, what forms can a user / group open?  View?
Add
> records to?  Delete records in?  Edit records in?  Etc.

> As you can see, I am not necessarily "in control of" the target FE at
design
> time since the FE is YOURS.  Why would you want to open a form not
visible?
> Perhaps the form is a filter form that you use to feed values to a 
> query. Perhaps the form has a timer ticking that performs some 
> process.
Perhaps...
> uh... I have no damned idea what else you might decide to do with a 
> form that is open but that a selected group or groups of users are not

> allowed
to
> see.  I know that I personally use a hidden form to force a cleanup of

> my framework when the database closes.  Since a form cannot close 
> without
it's
> OnClose firing, I use that to run a Terminate() function that closes 
> everything gracefully.  So not matter how the db closes, my term()
function
> runs.

> I cannot allow the users to unhide that since it is a background
processing
> form and they have no business there.

> In the end though, the answer is I don't know why any given developer 
> is going to want to open a form that users can't see, I simply know 
> that it happens and I need to provide the developer with a means of 
> enforcing this security.

---

> 1. It escapes me why you would even want to manage an open, invisible
form.
> If the user can't view it, then by far the simplist thing to do is not
open
> it. Is there some other issue driving this need that you haven't
elaborated
> on?

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue Nov 11 10:16:15 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:16:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database Trying again.
References: <001a01c3a86c$da157700$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>
Message-ID: <008e01c3a86f$220fe890$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Tried.  No soap.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Hecht" <jmhla at earthlink.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:59 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database Trying again.


>
> Can you export the tables into a new BE. Try one table at a time to help
> you identify where the problem is.
>
> It has helped me once or twice.
>
> Joe Hecht
> Los Angeles CA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:17 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> "Maybe they got that message and didn't tell you..."
>
> I suppose that could possibly happen.  :)
>
> Compact didn't help.  I even put it through the decompile even though
> there was no code, just a shot in the dark..  no soap.
>
> They were able to print out all of the data entered since their last
> backup, and restore that backup and are now going to re-enter the data,
> and hopefully they'll be a little more rigorous in the future about
> making and verifying backups.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David McAfee" <DMcAfee at haascnc.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:38 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
>
>
> > Rocky, can you compact the db? Maybe it has corrupted records. Usually
>
> > if
> its bad enough, you will get an error massage stating "you and another
> user are attempting to view the same record..." and leave you with an
> uncompacted mdb and a new db1.mdb. Maybe they got that message and
> didn't tell you when they repaired the mdb?
> >
> > David
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
>
> > - Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:34 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
> >
> >
> > Charlotte:
> >
> > Hey - this is the kind of client that pays the rent.  Anyway, it's not
>
> > in the query (which is in the front end) because when I restore an
> > older copy of their BE db the FE works just fine.
> >
> > Since my first post I have determined that there is a parent record
> > (agreement header) missing in the header table which has 4 child
> > records (agreement details) in the detail table.  FK in those child
> > records points to a non-existent PK in the parent table).
> >
> > So I think the repair didn't.  But on the surface, the orphan child
> records
> > alone should not product the result they're getting.  OTOH, it points
> > to other possible problems in the BE.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:02 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
> >
> >
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > You've GOT to get some different clients! LOL
> > >
> > > What version of Access and have you tried building a new query?
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:50 AM
> > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Another Hosed Database
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > > A client of mine has a database which got corrupted.  I told them to
>
> > > open the back end directly and they got the message which said
> > > database appears to be corrupted would you like to attempt repair,
> > > which they did and it appeared to go OK.
> > >
> > > However, apparently all is not well, because when I try to add a
> > > record to a detail file - bound form, subform on a tab - the command
>
> > > DoCmd.GoToRecord ,,acNewRec blows up with 'Can't go to specified
> > > record'.
> > >
> > > When I run the query that is the record source for the subform, it
> > > does indeed not allow additions.
> > >
> > > When I do the same thing on an older copy of their database
> > > everything works OK.  So I know it's not in the front end.
> > >
> > > Can this db be saved?
> > >
> > > MTIA,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > >
> > > P.S. Yes they have a backup but no it's not recent.  Apparently the
> > > person responsible for backup up...didn't.
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov 11 10:53:41 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:53:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEIEFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEIEFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <11233046458.20031111175341@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Well, we must live in different worlds. Most of our users are in
runtime environments and even those with full versions of Access
don't fool around with the apps - and they indeed "don't just open
forms" - they use the UI.

If wild users is the developer's concern, a LWS tool is not an option
- his/hers only way to go is full Access security - if not applied,
these users will, of course, find your LWS tables.

Also, I've used the table wizard once - and that was it. The only
wizards I've found a use for are that for creating a simple report and
that for creating a group box. The Access switch board and the table
structure behind it is terrible; I've found it just as quick to design
a main form for that purpose and a single table or two holding the
user level security.

I'm not saying there isn't a need for a LWS system, just that it will
not fully block the scenarios you draw which means you could pay less
attention to those extremes. How many users know a form can be hidden?
Not to say how to locate a hidden form and unhide it? Why should they?
Most users have work to do.

/gustav


> Gustav,

>>I mean - forms don't just open

> Of course forms "just open".  What do you think the switchboard does?  It
> "just opens" forms.  And plenty of developers use the switchboard.

>>and users don't unhide hidden forms

> Of course users unhide forms.  Users poke and pry, and go where they aren't
> supposed to, and find all the chinks in your armor.  If it's not supposed to
> be done, and you have locked that sucker down tight, a user WILL get in
> there!

>>he/she would need to either make the button not visible or not enabled or
> pop up a message telling that the user has been revoked rights to view the
> details; this I guess would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool.

> No, in fact that is exactly the goal of my tool.  It allows you to create up
> to 31 groups and unlimited users.  You then add users to groups, ala Windows
> or SQL Server.  You then tell LWS "These groups can SEE these forms".
> "These groups can see this control on this form".  etc.

> The flip side of this is that any groups NOT allowed to SEE those forms, by
> definition CAN'T SEE those forms.  And it is the job of LWS to guarantee
> that those users CAN'T see forms they are not supposed to see.  Thus my
> email - how do I GUARANTEE that a form that the user is not supposed to see
> remains invisible?

> The point here is that every one who has responded so far has simply taken
> the point of view that "the developer will guarantee" or "users won't" or
> "of course the developer will get rid of menus" etc.

> We all know that NONE of these statements are true.  Developers
> consistently, every day, fail to guarantee...  Users, every day,
> consistently break into places where they aren't supposed to be, often quite
> by accident.  And Of course, developers consistently, year after year fail
> to remove menus.  In fact clients consistently, year after year DEMAND that
> menus remain.  It is not realistic to start from the perfect world and
> assume none of these things happen.

> I have a simple question.  How many of us know how to build a table.  The
> first thing all of you will say (waving hand in the air shouting
> frantically) is "I do, I do".  But in fact I don't have a clue how to build
> a table.  Or more correctly I can figure it out using DAO, and I can figure
> it out using SQL but what do I do under normal circumstances?  Use a WIZARD.
> The wizard knows how to build a table, I know how to use a wizard to build a
> table.  Same with queries.

> I am attempting to design a system (a wizard) that a developer can use to
> set up the type of security we are discussing here, which I call
> "presentation security".  Light Weight Security allows the developer (or
> even the client) to set up the groups and users.  Once these two tables are
> initialized, there is a "wizard" that allows the developer to select forms
> and then assign groups that can Open/See/Edit/Delete/AddRec etc.  Whatever
> the developer decides is stored in a pair of tables (forms and controls).

> Notice that all of these things (except open) are nothing more than
> properties of the form.  LWS is attempting to manipulate form properties
> based upon information stored in tables.

> The wizard will allow the developer to select a form, see all of the
> controls on the form, and select controls that you wish to lock down such
> that only specific groups can See/Enter/Edit.

> That is LWS.  The group / user login stuff is working.  The FORM security is
> working (minus a few inconsistencies in being able to hide the forms).  The
> control security is not finished yet.  My post to this group was an attempt
> to figure out how to allow LWS to consistently and reliably control the
> VISIBILITY of a form.  Access does not make it easy, but I have had a couple
> of good suggestions that will help me solve this problem.

> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


> Hi John

> I think Ken has a point here and that you maybe are overcomplicating
> the task.
> I mean - forms don't just open, and users don't unhide hidden forms;
> how should they be able to do that when the developer has designed
> menus and toolbars for his/her app?

> Also, applying any form of security, light weight or not, the
> developer will have to walk through the app from a to z and arrange
> for modification of menus, buttons, labels ("Double click her to view
> details") etc. If a button is labelled "Show details" on a form and it
> should be disabled for certain users, he/she would need to either make
> the button not visible or not enabled or pop up a message telling that
> the user has been revoked rights to view the details; this I guess
> would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool. Leaving the button as it is
> and the user presses it and the details form just opens hidden is bad
> UI design as the user has no chance for knowing what is going on other
> than "it doesn't work".


From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Tue Nov 11 12:21:01 2003
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:21:01 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <11233046458.20031111175341@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003801c3a880$9000aef0$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>


John,

I guess my angle is cost vs. benefit. It seems to me that the effort
required to implement this feature in _precisely_ this way outweighs the
value it gives to your target developer audience, and their users.

I can only speak for myself, but I suspect most developers would be OK with
a slight redefinition: Open = Open permission AND View permission for that
form.

Maybe you could add a LWS form class called 'Hidden', which could only be
opened in code with Admin permissions, but whose visibility is not
manipulated by LWS.

Or, you could turn the problem on its side, and ask whether View permissions
are really necessary: maybe if you can Open the form, it has whatever
visibility is granted by the developer. If you can't open it, visibility
doesn't matter. If this is acceptable, it would simplify using, coding and
supporting the app.

One of the hardest tasks in development is determining the boundaries of
your project. It has to do some needed thing in a slick enough way to
attract customers. But, it can't be so intrusive that it needlessly hinders,
either. Getting that balance is tough. That's why its good to get input from
others, so you can better determine where to make compromises, and where to
stand firm.

-Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 10:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Hi John

Well, we must live in different worlds. Most of our users are in
runtime environments and even those with full versions of Access
don't fool around with the apps - and they indeed "don't just open
forms" - they use the UI.

If wild users is the developer's concern, a LWS tool is not an option
- his/hers only way to go is full Access security - if not applied,
these users will, of course, find your LWS tables.

Also, I've used the table wizard once - and that was it. The only
wizards I've found a use for are that for creating a simple report and
that for creating a group box. The Access switch board and the table
structure behind it is terrible; I've found it just as quick to design
a main form for that purpose and a single table or two holding the
user level security.

I'm not saying there isn't a need for a LWS system, just that it will
not fully block the scenarios you draw which means you could pay less
attention to those extremes. How many users know a form can be hidden?
Not to say how to locate a hidden form and unhide it? Why should they?
Most users have work to do.

/gustav


> Gustav,

>>I mean - forms don't just open

> Of course forms "just open".  What do you think the switchboard does?  It
> "just opens" forms.  And plenty of developers use the switchboard.

>>and users don't unhide hidden forms

> Of course users unhide forms.  Users poke and pry, and go where they
aren't
> supposed to, and find all the chinks in your armor.  If it's not supposed
to
> be done, and you have locked that sucker down tight, a user WILL get in
> there!

>>he/she would need to either make the button not visible or not enabled or
> pop up a message telling that the user has been revoked rights to view the
> details; this I guess would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool.

> No, in fact that is exactly the goal of my tool.  It allows you to create
up
> to 31 groups and unlimited users.  You then add users to groups, ala
Windows
> or SQL Server.  You then tell LWS "These groups can SEE these forms".
> "These groups can see this control on this form".  etc.

> The flip side of this is that any groups NOT allowed to SEE those forms,
by
> definition CAN'T SEE those forms.  And it is the job of LWS to guarantee
> that those users CAN'T see forms they are not supposed to see.  Thus my
> email - how do I GUARANTEE that a form that the user is not supposed to
see
> remains invisible?

> The point here is that every one who has responded so far has simply taken
> the point of view that "the developer will guarantee" or "users won't" or
> "of course the developer will get rid of menus" etc.

> We all know that NONE of these statements are true.  Developers
> consistently, every day, fail to guarantee...  Users, every day,
> consistently break into places where they aren't supposed to be, often
quite
> by accident.  And Of course, developers consistently, year after year fail
> to remove menus.  In fact clients consistently, year after year DEMAND
that
> menus remain.  It is not realistic to start from the perfect world and
> assume none of these things happen.

> I have a simple question.  How many of us know how to build a table.  The
> first thing all of you will say (waving hand in the air shouting
> frantically) is "I do, I do".  But in fact I don't have a clue how to
build
> a table.  Or more correctly I can figure it out using DAO, and I can
figure
> it out using SQL but what do I do under normal circumstances?  Use a
WIZARD.
> The wizard knows how to build a table, I know how to use a wizard to build
a
> table.  Same with queries.

> I am attempting to design a system (a wizard) that a developer can use to
> set up the type of security we are discussing here, which I call
> "presentation security".  Light Weight Security allows the developer (or
> even the client) to set up the groups and users.  Once these two tables
are
> initialized, there is a "wizard" that allows the developer to select forms
> and then assign groups that can Open/See/Edit/Delete/AddRec etc.  Whatever
> the developer decides is stored in a pair of tables (forms and controls).

> Notice that all of these things (except open) are nothing more than
> properties of the form.  LWS is attempting to manipulate form properties
> based upon information stored in tables.

> The wizard will allow the developer to select a form, see all of the
> controls on the form, and select controls that you wish to lock down such
> that only specific groups can See/Enter/Edit.

> That is LWS.  The group / user login stuff is working.  The FORM security
is
> working (minus a few inconsistencies in being able to hide the forms).
The
> control security is not finished yet.  My post to this group was an
attempt
> to figure out how to allow LWS to consistently and reliably control the
> VISIBILITY of a form.  Access does not make it easy, but I have had a
couple
> of good suggestions that will help me solve this problem.

> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


> Hi John

> I think Ken has a point here and that you maybe are overcomplicating
> the task.
> I mean - forms don't just open, and users don't unhide hidden forms;
> how should they be able to do that when the developer has designed
> menus and toolbars for his/her app?

> Also, applying any form of security, light weight or not, the
> developer will have to walk through the app from a to z and arrange
> for modification of menus, buttons, labels ("Double click her to view
> details") etc. If a button is labelled "Show details" on a form and it
> should be disabled for certain users, he/she would need to either make
> the button not visible or not enabled or pop up a message telling that
> the user has been revoked rights to view the details; this I guess
> would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool. Leaving the button as it is
> and the user presses it and the details form just opens hidden is bad
> UI design as the user has no chance for knowing what is going on other
> than "it doesn't work".



From conny at qad.se  Tue Nov 11 16:22:25 2003
From: conny at qad.se (Conny Johansson)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:22:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile
Message-ID: <20031111222336.EE7C22B11B@boxmail1.box.se>

Hi 
I usually archive all the posts from this great list. 
Due to a computer crash I cant find them at the moment so.... 

A while back there where questions about sample data and someone posted a
link to a textfile with 300 000 post. 
Anyone still got that adress? 

I also recall that sometime ago someone mentioned that he/she had all US and
Canadian zip-codes 
I would be glad for those as well. 
Please mail me offlist if you can help with this. 

H?lsningar / Regards 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Nov 11 16:37:19 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:37:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile
In-Reply-To: <20031111222336.EE7C22B11B@boxmail1.box.se>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFEEKJCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Conny:

You could check out the archive at Drews site. It can be reached through
http://www.databaseadvisors.com/archive/archive.htm or directly
http://wolfwares.com/AccessD/default.asp

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Conny
Johansson
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:22 PM
To: 'Access Developers list'
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile


Hi
I usually archive all the posts from this great list.
Due to a computer crash I cant find them at the moment so....

A while back there where questions about sample data and someone posted a
link to a textfile with 300 000 post.
Anyone still got that adress?

I also recall that sometime ago someone mentioned that he/she had all US and
Canadian zip-codes
I would be glad for those as well.
Please mail me offlist if you can help with this.

H?lsningar / Regards
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Nov 11 16:40:54 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:40:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222753D@main2.marlow.com>

In case no one has that, the archives are at http://wolfwares.com/AccessD .

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Conny Johansson [mailto:conny at qad.se]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:22 PM
To: 'Access Developers list'
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile


Hi 
I usually archive all the posts from this great list. 
Due to a computer crash I cant find them at the moment so.... 

A while back there where questions about sample data and someone posted a
link to a textfile with 300 000 post. 
Anyone still got that adress? 

I also recall that sometime ago someone mentioned that he/she had all US and
Canadian zip-codes 
I would be glad for those as well. 
Please mail me offlist if you can help with this. 

H?lsningar / Regards 
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From conny at qad.se  Tue Nov 11 16:48:56 2003
From: conny at qad.se (Conny Johansson)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:48:56 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFEEKJCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <20031111225007.EE3502B11B@boxmail1.box.se>

  
I tried searching the arhcives on Drews site but with no success. 
That's my first choice 
/Conny 
-----Original Message----- 
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)

Sent: den 11 november 2003 23:37 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sample textfile 

Hi Conny: 

You could check out the archive at Drews site. It can be reached through 
http://www.databaseadvisors.com/archive/archive.htm or directly 
http://wolfwares.com/AccessD/default.asp 

HTH 
Jim 

-----Original Message----- 
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Conny 
Johansson 
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:22 PM 
To: 'Access Developers list' 
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile 


Hi 
I usually archive all the posts from this great list. 
Due to a computer crash I cant find them at the moment so.... 

A while back there where questions about sample data and someone posted a 
link to a textfile with 300 000 post. 
Anyone still got that adress? 

I also recall that sometime ago someone mentioned that he/she had all US and

Canadian zip-codes 
I would be glad for those as well. 
Please mail me offlist if you can help with this. 

H?lsningar / Regards 
Conny Johansson 



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From davesharpe2 at cox.net  Tue Nov 11 18:09:52 2003
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net (Dave Sharpe)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:09:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile
References: <20031111222336.EE7C22B11B@boxmail1.box.se>
Message-ID: <08e101c3a8b1$4bd53e90$dd2f0a44@bcsext6137>

Conny

There is a zipcode mdb available for free download from
http://www.globalpresence.com.au/exchange/support/

Dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Conny Johansson" <conny at qad.se>
To: "'Access Developers list'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 5:22 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile


Hi
I usually archive all the posts from this great list.
Due to a computer crash I cant find them at the moment so....

A while back there where questions about sample data and someone posted a
link to a textfile with 300 000 post.
Anyone still got that adress?

I also recall that sometime ago someone mentioned that he/she had all US and
Canadian zip-codes
I would be glad for those as well.
Please mail me offlist if you can help with this.

H?lsningar / Regards
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From pjewett at bayplace.com  Tue Nov 11 20:34:31 2003
From: pjewett at bayplace.com (Phil Jewett)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:34:31 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 insists on SQL Server trusted connection
Message-ID: <D3C4180250579C42A9C6A5A199772138068B59@comet.home.bayplace.com>

When I run my Access 2000 frontend on a Windows XP/Access 2002 box, the
SQL Server 2000 login fails, insisting on the 'trusted connection'
network login instead of the SQL Server authentication in the ODBC
connection string.  This was presumably fixed in MDAC 2.6 SP2 - but
maybe only for Access 2000.  It's still there for Access 2002!  See
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;279526 for MS's
info.  Any help on this?

Thanks,

Phil Jewett


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Nov 11 23:29:09 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:29:09 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 insists on SQL Server trusted connection
In-Reply-To: <D3C4180250579C42A9C6A5A199772138068B59@comet.home.bayplace.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMEKKCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Phil:

The FE, in this case A2K has no bearing on whether the connection is
established. The issues are with either the ODBC setup, driver or how the
SQL server is setup. If the server is setup to access a 'Trusted' or
NT/2000/2003 authentication, the connection will be as follows...

code >>>

Public Function GetConnected() as boolean

Public mobjConn As ADODB.Connection
Public gstrConnection As String

On Error GoTo Err_NotConnected

' Initialize fail
GetConnected = False

' Connecting to the SQL (7/2000) server
gstrConnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB; _
		   Initial Catalog=MyDatabaseName; _
		   Data Source=MyServer; _
		   Integrated Security=SSPI" 'Use the M$ security

' Test connection string
Set mobjConn = New ADODB.Connection
mobjConn.ConnectionString = gstrConnection
mobjConn.Open	' This line succeeds or fails

' Success...
GetConnected = True

MsgBox "You are connected "

Exit_GetConnected:
 Exit Sub

Err_NotConnected:
 MsgBox "You are not connected "
 Resume Exit_GetConnected

End Function

>>> code

Something simple like above will test the connection. It works for any
version of Access. Note: The Access reference to the MS ADO has to be set
first for this to run.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Phil Jewett
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 insists on SQL Server trusted connection


When I run my Access 2000 frontend on a Windows XP/Access 2002 box, the
SQL Server 2000 login fails, insisting on the 'trusted connection'
network login instead of the SQL Server authentication in the ODBC
connection string.  This was presumably fixed in MDAC 2.6 SP2 - but
maybe only for Access 2000.  It's still there for Access 2002!  See
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;279526 for MS's
info.  Any help on this?

Thanks,

Phil Jewett

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From conny at qad.se  Wed Nov 12 00:34:30 2003
From: conny at qad.se (Conny Johansson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:34:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile
In-Reply-To: <08e101c3a8b1$4bd53e90$dd2f0a44@bcsext6137>
Message-ID: <20031112063545.E62112B11B@boxmail1.box.se>

Thanks a lot Dave 
Now, if someone could provide a link to a >300 000 persons  textfile as
well, then I'm all set. 
/Conny 

-----Original Message----- 
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sharpe 
Sent: den 12 november 2003 01:10 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sample textfile 

Conny 

There is a zipcode mdb available for free download from 
http://www.globalpresence.com.au/exchange/support/ 

Dave 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Conny Johansson" <conny at qad.se> 
To: "'Access Developers list'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 5:22 PM 
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile 


Hi 
I usually archive all the posts from this great list. 
Due to a computer crash I cant find them at the moment so.... 

A while back there where questions about sample data and someone posted a 
link to a textfile with 300 000 post. 
Anyone still got that adress? 

I also recall that sometime ago someone mentioned that he/she had all US and

Canadian zip-codes 
I would be glad for those as well. 
Please mail me offlist if you can help with this. 

H?lsningar / Regards 
Conny Johansson 



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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov 12 02:38:12 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:38:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile
In-Reply-To: <20031112063545.E62112B11B@boxmail1.box.se>
References: <08e101c3a8b1$4bd53e90$dd2f0a44@bcsext6137>
Message-ID: <3FB27E14.8532.3B7C2@localhost>

On 12 Nov 2003 at 7:34, Conny Johansson wrote:

> Thanks a lot Dave 
> Now, if someone could provide a link to a >300 000 persons  textfile as
> well, then I'm all set. 
> /Conny 
> 

What fields do you want in it?

 
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Wed Nov 12 02:51:46 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:21:46 +1030
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 insists on SQL Server trusted connectio
	n
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A51C@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Are you sure the SQL Server itself isn't set to 'Windows Mode'?  If so it
needs to be set to 'Mixed Mode' to accept SQL authentication..

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Jewett [mailto:pjewett at bayplace.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2003 1:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2002 insists on SQL Server trusted connection


When I run my Access 2000 frontend on a Windows XP/Access 2002 box, the
SQL Server 2000 login fails, insisting on the 'trusted connection'
network login instead of the SQL Server authentication in the ODBC
connection string.  This was presumably fixed in MDAC 2.6 SP2 - but
maybe only for Access 2000.  It's still there for Access 2002!  See
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;279526 for MS's
info.  Any help on this?

Thanks,

Phil Jewett

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Nov 12 03:06:04 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:06:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DC7@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hi Charlotte.
 
The "Documents and Settings" is infact a very good thing when having roaming profiles in a network.
It is also a security thing so other users can not get in to your profile and read your mail (when using PST).
 
If you fully use profiles, your computer may crash, you can continue to work on another computer without loss of data (except the things as from the last logon) or workenvironment (it ain't that simple! but still...). 
It needs be be discouraged when U use a notebook both out and in the office, but it works greats for office computers. I use it at all my clients sites. It gives you pc redundancy. And I'm less stressed by it.
They can login to another computer and just have their mail etc up and running without dooing a thing.
 
Trust me, profiles are great stuff.... (and that what documents and settings is all about).
You just need to backup it also because it contains real data.
 
If you wanna save space in there, set the temporary internet files folder somewhere else or minimise the size.
IE sometimes set this to 800 MB (I supose it use x% from the drive as a base).
A setting of 50 or 100MB should be enough, but that is a subject for discussion.
When you have an active (one that keeps a cache!) proxy server, a IE setting of more than 50MB is of no use. Your proxy server does already the necesary caching.
But again, subject for discussion.
It's only my opinion.
 
BTW, should this thread not be on the DBA-TECH list?
 
Erwin
 
 
 

	-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- 
	Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com namens Charlotte Foust 
	Verzonden: di 11/11/2003 2:01 
	Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
	CC: 
	Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Would you believe
	
	

	I HATE that documents and settings folder!  I put all my Outlook pst
	files on my D: drive in a folder called Outlook.  Then I can find them
	again and they aren't part of my ever expanding (metaphorically speaking
	<G>) profile.  Um ... Where do you think "My Documents" is, John?
	Unless you created one elsewhere, it and your desktop are also under
	*documents and settings*.
	
	Charlotte Foust
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
	Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 4:26 PM
	To: AccessD
	Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
	
	
	65000 files in 7000 folders just in jcolby directory of documents and
	settings.  Among them the PST file for Outlook.  What other buried
	treasures are in there that should be in My Documents?
	
	John W. Colby
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Nov 12 04:26:04 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 05:26:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DC7@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <3FB1C46C.21787.1609FA@localhost>

On 12 Nov 2003 at 10:06, Erwin Craps wrote:

> BTW, should this thread not be on the DBA-TECH list?

Yep. It should.

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Nov 12 05:11:10 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:11:10 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
In-Reply-To: <3FB1C46C.21787.1609FA@localhost>
Message-ID: <008401c3a90d$add3e540$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

And Bryan has already asked once.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: 12 November 2003 10:26
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Would you believe
> 
> 
> On 12 Nov 2003 at 10:06, Erwin Craps wrote:
> 
> > BTW, should this thread not be on the DBA-TECH list?
> 
> Yep. It should.
> 
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Nov 12 08:20:33 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:20:33 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Characters in Help
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C909@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I was searching UnHelp for InStr in A2K & this is what shows, does anyone
else show Help this way - or can read this <g>?

Virginia


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<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe143.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe144.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe145.bmp>  Array
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe165.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe155.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe156.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe157.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe158.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe150.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe184.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe185.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe095.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe089.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe186.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe187.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe090.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe188.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe019.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe229.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe230.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe165.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe231.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe093.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe095.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe232.bmp> 

Dim Var() As Byte

Var = "
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe189.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe156.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe019.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe191.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe192.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe193.bmp> "             ' Unicode
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe163.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe164.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe087.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe184.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe185.bmp> 

Var = StrConv("
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe189.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe156.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe019.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe191.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe192.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe193.bmp> ", vbFromUnicode)    ' ANSI
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe163.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe164.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe087.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe184.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe185.bmp> 



Function AnsiStrConv(StrArg, flag)

    nsiStrConv = StrConv(StrArg, flag)

End Function



' LenB
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe087.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe175.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe176.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe095.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe089.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe199.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe165.bmp> ANSI
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe155.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe156.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe157.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe158.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe165.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe160.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe166.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe231.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe233.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe175.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe176.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe177.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe178.bmp> 

From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Wed Nov 12 08:31:27 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:31:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Characters in Help
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C909@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <019b01c3a929$ac1f94d0$6401a8c0@default>

Hey, that's funny!
Mine shows up like this:

'  ANSI
dat = StrConv(dat, vbFromUnicode)
.
.
.    '
.    '
.
.
'   Unicode
dat = StrConv(dat, vbUnicode)

Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:20 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Characters in Help


> I was searching UnHelp for InStr in A2K & this is what shows, does anyone
> else show Help this way - or can read this <g>?
>
> Virginia
>
>
>   _____
>
> Differences in String Function Operations
>
> A string stored in a byte Array appears as follows:
>
>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe143.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe144.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe145.bmp>  Array
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe165.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe155.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe156.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe157.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe158.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe150.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe184.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe185.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe095.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe089.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe186.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe187.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe090.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe188.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe019.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe229.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe230.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe165.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe231.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe093.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe095.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe232.bmp>
>
> Dim Var() As Byte
>
> Var = "
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe189.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe156.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe019.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe191.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe192.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe193.bmp> "             ' Unicode
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe163.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe164.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe087.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe184.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe185.bmp>
>
> Var = StrConv("
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe189.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe156.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe019.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe191.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe192.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe193.bmp> ", vbFromUnicode)    ' ANSI
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe163.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe164.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe087.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe184.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe185.bmp>
>
>
>
> Function AnsiStrConv(StrArg, flag)
>
>     nsiStrConv = StrConv(StrArg, flag)
>
> End Function
>
>
>
> ' LenB
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe087.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe175.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe176.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe095.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe089.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe199.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe165.bmp> ANSI
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe155.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe156.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe157.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe158.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe165.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe160.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe166.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe231.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe233.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe175.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe176.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe177.bmp>
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> ::/html/images/fe178.bmp>
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Wed Nov 12 08:35:19 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:35:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Characters in Help
References: 	<618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C909@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
	<019b01c3a929$ac1f94d0$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <01ae01c3a92a$33464670$6401a8c0@default>

Well, anyway it was all in Japanese or Chinese
or something.

Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael R Mattys" <michael.mattys at adelphia.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Characters in Help


> Hey, that's funny!
> Mine shows up like this:
>
> '  ANSI
> dat = StrConv(dat, vbFromUnicode)
> .
> .
> .    '
> .    '
> .
> .
> '   Unicode
> dat = StrConv(dat, vbUnicode)
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:20 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Characters in Help
>
>
> > I was searching UnHelp for InStr in A2K & this is what shows, does
anyone
> > else show Help this way - or can read this <g>?
> >
> > Virginia
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > Differences in String Function Operations
> >
> > A string stored in a byte Array appears as follows:
> >
> >
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe143.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe144.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe145.bmp>  Array
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe165.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe155.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe156.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe157.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe158.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe150.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe184.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe185.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe095.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe089.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe186.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe187.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe090.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe188.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe019.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe229.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe230.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe165.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe231.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe093.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe095.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm

> > ::/html/images/fe232.bmp>
> >
> > Dim Var() As Byte
> >
> > Var = "
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe189.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe156.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe019.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe191.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe192.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe193.bmp> "             ' Unicode
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe163.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe164.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe087.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe184.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe185.bmp>
> >
> > Var = StrConv("
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe189.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe156.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe019.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe191.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe192.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe193.bmp> ", vbFromUnicode)    ' ANSI
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe163.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe164.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe087.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe184.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe185.bmp>
> >
> >
> >
> > Function AnsiStrConv(StrArg, flag)
> >
> >     nsiStrConv = StrConv(StrArg, flag)
> >
> > End Function
> >
> >
> >
> > ' LenB
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe087.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe175.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe176.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe095.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe089.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe199.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe165.bmp> ANSI
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe155.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe156.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe157.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe158.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe165.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe160.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe166.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe231.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe233.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe175.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe176.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe177.bmp>
> >
>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
> > ::/html/images/fe178.bmp>
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Nov 12 08:39:16 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:39:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Characters in Help
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C90B@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Well, when I copied & pasted this into the email, it did not show all those
lines, it showed characters that looked like Chinese writings.

Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:21 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Characters in Help


I was searching UnHelp for InStr in A2K & this is what shows, does anyone
else show Help this way - or can read this <g>?

Virginia


  _____  

Differences in String Function Operations

A string stored in a byte Array appears as follows:

 
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe143.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe144.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9.chm
::/html/images/fe145.bmp>  Array

From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Nov 12 08:46:27 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:46:27 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Characters in Help
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF7229@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hi
You probably have a corupted acmain9.chm (compressed help) file.
Replace the file from a backup or another computer.
Or in the worst case delete the file. Uninstall the help part of access
(if this is posible) and reinstall.
If the file is back should be ok.
Or a full Office repair is also an option after deleting the file.

Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Hollis,Virginia
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Characters in Help


Well, when I copied & pasted this into the email, it did not show all
those lines, it showed characters that looked like Chinese writings.

Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:21 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Characters in Help


I was searching UnHelp for InStr in A2K & this is what shows, does
anyone else show Help this way - or can read this <g>?

Virginia


  _____  

Differences in String Function Operations

A string stored in a byte Array appears as follows:

 
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9
.chm
::/html/images/fe143.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9
.chm
::/html/images/fe144.bmp>
<mk:@MSITStore:C:\Program%20Files\Microsoft%20Office\Office\1033\acmain9
.chm
::/html/images/fe145.bmp>  Array
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 12 08:53:17 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:53:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312434@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEILFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

What you're missing is that THIS IS A WIZARD FOR YOU!!!

I have no clue what YOU are doing so I have to desing it as if YOU don't
have a clue.

John W. Colby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Am I missing something, John?  If you're using a forms class, wouldn't
there be a test in the Form_Open event of the class to see whether the
user is allowed to view the form?  Or are you talking about users
managing to find their way into forms already opened hidden?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Gustav,

>I mean - forms don't just open

Of course forms "just open".  What do you think the switchboard does?
It "just opens" forms.  And plenty of developers use the switchboard.

>and users don't unhide hidden forms

Of course users unhide forms.  Users poke and pry, and go where they
aren't supposed to, and find all the chinks in your armor.  If it's not
supposed to be done, and you have locked that sucker down tight, a user
WILL get in there!

>he/she would need to either make the button not visible or not enabled
>or
pop up a message telling that the user has been revoked rights to view
the details; this I guess would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool.

No, in fact that is exactly the goal of my tool.  It allows you to
create up to 31 groups and unlimited users.  You then add users to
groups, ala Windows or SQL Server.  You then tell LWS "These groups can
SEE these forms". "These groups can see this control on this form".
etc.

The flip side of this is that any groups NOT allowed to SEE those forms,
by definition CAN'T SEE those forms.  And it is the job of LWS to
guarantee that those users CAN'T see forms they are not supposed to see.
Thus my email - how do I GUARANTEE that a form that the user is not
supposed to see remains invisible?

The point here is that every one who has responded so far has simply
taken the point of view that "the developer will guarantee" or "users
won't" or "of course the developer will get rid of menus" etc.

We all know that NONE of these statements are true.  Developers
consistently, every day, fail to guarantee...  Users, every day,
consistently break into places where they aren't supposed to be, often
quite by accident.  And Of course, developers consistently, year after
year fail to remove menus.  In fact clients consistently, year after
year DEMAND that menus remain.  It is not realistic to start from the
perfect world and assume none of these things happen.

I have a simple question.  How many of us know how to build a table.
The first thing all of you will say (waving hand in the air shouting
frantically) is "I do, I do".  But in fact I don't have a clue how to
build a table.  Or more correctly I can figure it out using DAO, and I
can figure it out using SQL but what do I do under normal circumstances?
Use a WIZARD. The wizard knows how to build a table, I know how to use a
wizard to build a table.  Same with queries.

I am attempting to design a system (a wizard) that a developer can use
to set up the type of security we are discussing here, which I call
"presentation security".  Light Weight Security allows the developer (or
even the client) to set up the groups and users.  Once these two tables
are initialized, there is a "wizard" that allows the developer to select
forms and then assign groups that can Open/See/Edit/Delete/AddRec etc.
Whatever the developer decides is stored in a pair of tables (forms and
controls).

Notice that all of these things (except open) are nothing more than
properties of the form.  LWS is attempting to manipulate form properties
based upon information stored in tables.

The wizard will allow the developer to select a form, see all of the
controls on the form, and select controls that you wish to lock down
such that only specific groups can See/Enter/Edit.

That is LWS.  The group / user login stuff is working.  The FORM
security is working (minus a few inconsistencies in being able to hide
the forms).  The control security is not finished yet.  My post to this
group was an attempt to figure out how to allow LWS to consistently and
reliably control the VISIBILITY of a form.  Access does not make it
easy, but I have had a couple of good suggestions that will help me
solve this problem.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Hi John

I think Ken has a point here and that you maybe are overcomplicating the
task. I mean - forms don't just open, and users don't unhide hidden
forms; how should they be able to do that when the developer has
designed menus and toolbars for his/her app?

Also, applying any form of security, light weight or not, the developer
will have to walk through the app from a to z and arrange for
modification of menus, buttons, labels ("Double click her to view
details") etc. If a button is labelled "Show details" on a form and it
should be disabled for certain users, he/she would need to either make
the button not visible or not enabled or pop up a message telling that
the user has been revoked rights to view the details; this I guess would
be beyond the goal of your LWS tool. Leaving the button as it is and the
user presses it and the details form just opens hidden is bad UI design
as the user has no chance for knowing what is going on other than "it
doesn't work".

/gustav


> Ken,

> I am writing a security utility aimed at other developers.  It is
> designed to allow YOU (and me as a developer) to manage the
> presentation security
of
> a database front end.  IOW, what forms can a user / group open?  View?
Add
> records to?  Delete records in?  Edit records in?  Etc.

> As you can see, I am not necessarily "in control of" the target FE at
design
> time since the FE is YOURS.  Why would you want to open a form not
visible?
> Perhaps the form is a filter form that you use to feed values to a
> query. Perhaps the form has a timer ticking that performs some
> process.
Perhaps...
> uh... I have no damned idea what else you might decide to do with a
> form that is open but that a selected group or groups of users are not

> allowed
to
> see.  I know that I personally use a hidden form to force a cleanup of

> my framework when the database closes.  Since a form cannot close
> without
it's
> OnClose firing, I use that to run a Terminate() function that closes
> everything gracefully.  So not matter how the db closes, my term()
function
> runs.

> I cannot allow the users to unhide that since it is a background
processing
> form and they have no business there.

> In the end though, the answer is I don't know why any given developer
> is going to want to open a form that users can't see, I simply know
> that it happens and I need to provide the developer with a means of
> enforcing this security.

---

> 1. It escapes me why you would even want to manage an open, invisible
form.
> If the user can't view it, then by far the simplist thing to do is not
open
> it. Is there some other issue driving this need that you haven't
elaborated
> on?

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 12 08:54:58 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:54:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <11233046458.20031111175341@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEINFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Gustav,

When I say table wizard, I am not taking about the thing that opens
pre-existing tables and allows you to modify them.  The widget you use to
design tables (click the table tab in A2K and select New) is a WIZARD!  The
thing you use to design queries (select the query tab and click NEW) is a
WIZARD.  It is a piece of VB code, stored in MDAs, registered with Access.
It is NOT part of Access per se.

That is also what I am designing, a WIZARD.

As for different worlds, apparently we do.  If you truly believe that no
developer out there runs into users who poke and pry then I would love to
live in your world.

John W. Colby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Hi John

Well, we must live in different worlds. Most of our users are in
runtime environments and even those with full versions of Access
don't fool around with the apps - and they indeed "don't just open
forms" - they use the UI.

If wild users is the developer's concern, a LWS tool is not an option
- his/hers only way to go is full Access security - if not applied,
these users will, of course, find your LWS tables.

Also, I've used the table wizard once - and that was it. The only
wizards I've found a use for are that for creating a simple report and
that for creating a group box. The Access switch board and the table
structure behind it is terrible; I've found it just as quick to design
a main form for that purpose and a single table or two holding the
user level security.

I'm not saying there isn't a need for a LWS system, just that it will
not fully block the scenarios you draw which means you could pay less
attention to those extremes. How many users know a form can be hidden?
Not to say how to locate a hidden form and unhide it? Why should they?
Most users have work to do.

/gustav


> Gustav,

>>I mean - forms don't just open

> Of course forms "just open".  What do you think the switchboard does?  It
> "just opens" forms.  And plenty of developers use the switchboard.

>>and users don't unhide hidden forms

> Of course users unhide forms.  Users poke and pry, and go where they
aren't
> supposed to, and find all the chinks in your armor.  If it's not supposed
to
> be done, and you have locked that sucker down tight, a user WILL get in
> there!

>>he/she would need to either make the button not visible or not enabled or
> pop up a message telling that the user has been revoked rights to view the
> details; this I guess would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool.

> No, in fact that is exactly the goal of my tool.  It allows you to create
up
> to 31 groups and unlimited users.  You then add users to groups, ala
Windows
> or SQL Server.  You then tell LWS "These groups can SEE these forms".
> "These groups can see this control on this form".  etc.

> The flip side of this is that any groups NOT allowed to SEE those forms,
by
> definition CAN'T SEE those forms.  And it is the job of LWS to guarantee
> that those users CAN'T see forms they are not supposed to see.  Thus my
> email - how do I GUARANTEE that a form that the user is not supposed to
see
> remains invisible?

> The point here is that every one who has responded so far has simply taken
> the point of view that "the developer will guarantee" or "users won't" or
> "of course the developer will get rid of menus" etc.

> We all know that NONE of these statements are true.  Developers
> consistently, every day, fail to guarantee...  Users, every day,
> consistently break into places where they aren't supposed to be, often
quite
> by accident.  And Of course, developers consistently, year after year fail
> to remove menus.  In fact clients consistently, year after year DEMAND
that
> menus remain.  It is not realistic to start from the perfect world and
> assume none of these things happen.

> I have a simple question.  How many of us know how to build a table.  The
> first thing all of you will say (waving hand in the air shouting
> frantically) is "I do, I do".  But in fact I don't have a clue how to
build
> a table.  Or more correctly I can figure it out using DAO, and I can
figure
> it out using SQL but what do I do under normal circumstances?  Use a
WIZARD.
> The wizard knows how to build a table, I know how to use a wizard to build
a
> table.  Same with queries.

> I am attempting to design a system (a wizard) that a developer can use to
> set up the type of security we are discussing here, which I call
> "presentation security".  Light Weight Security allows the developer (or
> even the client) to set up the groups and users.  Once these two tables
are
> initialized, there is a "wizard" that allows the developer to select forms
> and then assign groups that can Open/See/Edit/Delete/AddRec etc.  Whatever
> the developer decides is stored in a pair of tables (forms and controls).

> Notice that all of these things (except open) are nothing more than
> properties of the form.  LWS is attempting to manipulate form properties
> based upon information stored in tables.

> The wizard will allow the developer to select a form, see all of the
> controls on the form, and select controls that you wish to lock down such
> that only specific groups can See/Enter/Edit.

> That is LWS.  The group / user login stuff is working.  The FORM security
is
> working (minus a few inconsistencies in being able to hide the forms).
The
> control security is not finished yet.  My post to this group was an
attempt
> to figure out how to allow LWS to consistently and reliably control the
> VISIBILITY of a form.  Access does not make it easy, but I have had a
couple
> of good suggestions that will help me solve this problem.

> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


> Hi John

> I think Ken has a point here and that you maybe are overcomplicating
> the task.
> I mean - forms don't just open, and users don't unhide hidden forms;
> how should they be able to do that when the developer has designed
> menus and toolbars for his/her app?

> Also, applying any form of security, light weight or not, the
> developer will have to walk through the app from a to z and arrange
> for modification of menus, buttons, labels ("Double click her to view
> details") etc. If a button is labelled "Show details" on a form and it
> should be disabled for certain users, he/she would need to either make
> the button not visible or not enabled or pop up a message telling that
> the user has been revoked rights to view the details; this I guess
> would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool. Leaving the button as it is
> and the user presses it and the details form just opens hidden is bad
> UI design as the user has no chance for knowing what is going on other
> than "it doesn't work".

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 12 09:46:01 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:46:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEINFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEINFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <11029675040.20031112164601@cactus.dk>

Hi John

> When I say table wizard, I am not taking about the thing that opens
> pre-existing tables and allows you to modify them.  The widget you use to
> design tables (click the table tab in A2K and select New) is a WIZARD!  The
> thing you use to design queries (select the query tab and click NEW) is a
> WIZARD.  It is a piece of VB code, stored in MDAs, registered with Access.
> It is NOT part of Access per se.

> That is also what I am designing, a WIZARD.

Yeah, I know. I don't use them. I just can't see no problem in
creating a table in design view adding comments to the fields; I find
it to be waste of time to select some "example table" and use more
time to check and correct than to create from scratch. The same goes
for the query wizards - it's faster when you know what to do, to open
design view initially. 

> As for different worlds, apparently we do.  If you truly believe that no
> developer out there runs into users who poke and pry then I would love to
> live in your world.

You would be most welcome! But as I wrote, to make a near bulletproof
app you will need Access security. If less can do it - and that must
be the purpose of your LWS system - you can do many things:

A. Design LWS as a user control and guidance system for the behaved
user and user environment. If users are not behaved go to Access
security.

B. Take precautions to prevent accidental user errors. This is the
other side of security: to prevent users from doing things they don't
want to do by accident or error. Many things can be done for free:

1. Rename the app to anything else than mdb or adp. I use mdp. Most
users wouldn't have a clue what an mdp file is. If they doubleclick it
nothing happens.

2. Create your app to be able to run write protected and let your
install routine write protect the file (or you can let your app check
if it itself is write protected; if not, write protect and shut down).
Only a fraction of users have any idea of how to remove write
protection from a file.

3. Apply a database password to the app. This forces the user to run
the app from a shortcut with the password command line switch. Again,
if the user by accident doubleclick the file he/she will be prompted
for a password. No big deal but it will be apparent that "this is not
normal".

4. Run the app in the runtime environment. You can check from within
the app if this is so; if not, pop a message and shut down.

5. Set the startup options to the minimum level, and always hide the
database window as the first task in your start/autoexec code.

You know these things, but others may benefit from these simple
advices and reminders.

/gustav


> John W. Colby

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:54 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


> Hi John

> Well, we must live in different worlds. Most of our users are in
> runtime environments and even those with full versions of Access
> don't fool around with the apps - and they indeed "don't just open
> forms" - they use the UI.

> If wild users is the developer's concern, a LWS tool is not an option
> - his/hers only way to go is full Access security - if not applied,
> these users will, of course, find your LWS tables.

> Also, I've used the table wizard once - and that was it. The only
> wizards I've found a use for are that for creating a simple report and
> that for creating a group box. The Access switch board and the table
> structure behind it is terrible; I've found it just as quick to design
> a main form for that purpose and a single table or two holding the
> user level security.

> I'm not saying there isn't a need for a LWS system, just that it will
> not fully block the scenarios you draw which means you could pay less
> attention to those extremes. How many users know a form can be hidden?
> Not to say how to locate a hidden form and unhide it? Why should they?
> Most users have work to do.


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Nov 12 10:10:18 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:10:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227544@main2.marlow.com>

JC. I may have missed it, but did you try the repaint/doevents suggestion?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


What you're missing is that THIS IS A WIZARD FOR YOU!!!

I have no clue what YOU are doing so I have to desing it as if YOU don't
have a clue.

John W. Colby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Am I missing something, John?  If you're using a forms class, wouldn't
there be a test in the Form_Open event of the class to see whether the
user is allowed to view the form?  Or are you talking about users
managing to find their way into forms already opened hidden?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Gustav,

>I mean - forms don't just open

Of course forms "just open".  What do you think the switchboard does?
It "just opens" forms.  And plenty of developers use the switchboard.

>and users don't unhide hidden forms

Of course users unhide forms.  Users poke and pry, and go where they
aren't supposed to, and find all the chinks in your armor.  If it's not
supposed to be done, and you have locked that sucker down tight, a user
WILL get in there!

>he/she would need to either make the button not visible or not enabled
>or
pop up a message telling that the user has been revoked rights to view
the details; this I guess would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool.

No, in fact that is exactly the goal of my tool.  It allows you to
create up to 31 groups and unlimited users.  You then add users to
groups, ala Windows or SQL Server.  You then tell LWS "These groups can
SEE these forms". "These groups can see this control on this form".
etc.

The flip side of this is that any groups NOT allowed to SEE those forms,
by definition CAN'T SEE those forms.  And it is the job of LWS to
guarantee that those users CAN'T see forms they are not supposed to see.
Thus my email - how do I GUARANTEE that a form that the user is not
supposed to see remains invisible?

The point here is that every one who has responded so far has simply
taken the point of view that "the developer will guarantee" or "users
won't" or "of course the developer will get rid of menus" etc.

We all know that NONE of these statements are true.  Developers
consistently, every day, fail to guarantee...  Users, every day,
consistently break into places where they aren't supposed to be, often
quite by accident.  And Of course, developers consistently, year after
year fail to remove menus.  In fact clients consistently, year after
year DEMAND that menus remain.  It is not realistic to start from the
perfect world and assume none of these things happen.

I have a simple question.  How many of us know how to build a table.
The first thing all of you will say (waving hand in the air shouting
frantically) is "I do, I do".  But in fact I don't have a clue how to
build a table.  Or more correctly I can figure it out using DAO, and I
can figure it out using SQL but what do I do under normal circumstances?
Use a WIZARD. The wizard knows how to build a table, I know how to use a
wizard to build a table.  Same with queries.

I am attempting to design a system (a wizard) that a developer can use
to set up the type of security we are discussing here, which I call
"presentation security".  Light Weight Security allows the developer (or
even the client) to set up the groups and users.  Once these two tables
are initialized, there is a "wizard" that allows the developer to select
forms and then assign groups that can Open/See/Edit/Delete/AddRec etc.
Whatever the developer decides is stored in a pair of tables (forms and
controls).

Notice that all of these things (except open) are nothing more than
properties of the form.  LWS is attempting to manipulate form properties
based upon information stored in tables.

The wizard will allow the developer to select a form, see all of the
controls on the form, and select controls that you wish to lock down
such that only specific groups can See/Enter/Edit.

That is LWS.  The group / user login stuff is working.  The FORM
security is working (minus a few inconsistencies in being able to hide
the forms).  The control security is not finished yet.  My post to this
group was an attempt to figure out how to allow LWS to consistently and
reliably control the VISIBILITY of a form.  Access does not make it
easy, but I have had a couple of good suggestions that will help me
solve this problem.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


Hi John

I think Ken has a point here and that you maybe are overcomplicating the
task. I mean - forms don't just open, and users don't unhide hidden
forms; how should they be able to do that when the developer has
designed menus and toolbars for his/her app?

Also, applying any form of security, light weight or not, the developer
will have to walk through the app from a to z and arrange for
modification of menus, buttons, labels ("Double click her to view
details") etc. If a button is labelled "Show details" on a form and it
should be disabled for certain users, he/she would need to either make
the button not visible or not enabled or pop up a message telling that
the user has been revoked rights to view the details; this I guess would
be beyond the goal of your LWS tool. Leaving the button as it is and the
user presses it and the details form just opens hidden is bad UI design
as the user has no chance for knowing what is going on other than "it
doesn't work".

/gustav


> Ken,

> I am writing a security utility aimed at other developers.  It is
> designed to allow YOU (and me as a developer) to manage the
> presentation security
of
> a database front end.  IOW, what forms can a user / group open?  View?
Add
> records to?  Delete records in?  Edit records in?  Etc.

> As you can see, I am not necessarily "in control of" the target FE at
design
> time since the FE is YOURS.  Why would you want to open a form not
visible?
> Perhaps the form is a filter form that you use to feed values to a
> query. Perhaps the form has a timer ticking that performs some
> process.
Perhaps...
> uh... I have no damned idea what else you might decide to do with a
> form that is open but that a selected group or groups of users are not

> allowed
to
> see.  I know that I personally use a hidden form to force a cleanup of

> my framework when the database closes.  Since a form cannot close
> without
it's
> OnClose firing, I use that to run a Terminate() function that closes
> everything gracefully.  So not matter how the db closes, my term()
function
> runs.

> I cannot allow the users to unhide that since it is a background
processing
> form and they have no business there.

> In the end though, the answer is I don't know why any given developer
> is going to want to open a form that users can't see, I simply know
> that it happens and I need to provide the developer with a means of
> enforcing this security.

---

> 1. It escapes me why you would even want to manage an open, invisible
form.
> If the user can't view it, then by far the simplist thing to do is not
open
> it. Is there some other issue driving this need that you haven't
elaborated
> on?

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 12 10:19:26 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:19:26 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312435@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I know what it's for, but I still object.  NT handled roaming profiles
without Documents and Settings.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Would you believe


Hi Charlotte.
 
The "Documents and Settings" is infact a very good thing when having
roaming profiles in a network. It is also a security thing so other
users can not get in to your profile and read your mail (when using
PST).
 
If you fully use profiles, your computer may crash, you can continue to
work on another computer without loss of data (except the things as from
the last logon) or workenvironment (it ain't that simple! but still...).

It needs be be discouraged when U use a notebook both out and in the
office, but it works greats for office computers. I use it at all my
clients sites. It gives you pc redundancy. And I'm less stressed by it.
They can login to another computer and just have their mail etc up and
running without dooing a thing.
 
Trust me, profiles are great stuff.... (and that what documents and
settings is all about). You just need to backup it also because it
contains real data.
 
If you wanna save space in there, set the temporary internet files
folder somewhere else or minimise the size. IE sometimes set this to 800
MB (I supose it use x% from the drive as a base). A setting of 50 or
100MB should be enough, but that is a subject for discussion. When you
have an active (one that keeps a cache!) proxy server, a IE setting of
more than 50MB is of no use. Your proxy server does already the necesary
caching. But again, subject for discussion. It's only my opinion.
 
BTW, should this thread not be on the DBA-TECH list?
 
Erwin
 
 
 

	-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- 
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	Verzonden: di 11/11/2003 2:01 
	Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
	CC: 
	Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Would you believe
	
	

	I HATE that documents and settings folder!  I put all my Outlook
pst
	files on my D: drive in a folder called Outlook.  Then I can
find them
	again and they aren't part of my ever expanding (metaphorically
speaking
	<G>) profile.  Um ... Where do you think "My Documents" is,
John?
	Unless you created one elsewhere, it and your desktop are also
under
	*documents and settings*.
	
	Charlotte Foust
	
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	Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 4:26 PM
	To: AccessD
	Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
	
	
	65000 files in 7000 folders just in jcolby directory of
documents and
	settings.  Among them the PST file for Outlook.  What other
buried
	treasures are in there that should be in My Documents?
	
	John W. Colby
	www.colbyconsulting.com
	
	
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From Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us  Wed Nov 12 10:37:49 2003
From: Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us (Gowey Mike W)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:37:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Distinguishing Key Press
Message-ID: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801D9FDDD@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>



Hello Everyone,


Does anyone have something that they can share that can be used to
distinguish what key is pressed after updating a field on a form.

I want to be able to know if the Tab key is pressed or if the Enter key
was pressed.  I have to be able to run a different process if the Tab
key is pressed than I would if the Enter key is pressed.

Thanks in advance for any info shared.

Thanks,

Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
Team Leader - SRCI
Information Systems & Services Division


From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Nov 12 10:38:56 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:38:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD78FA@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

John,

I followed your arguments for doing this, and I fully agree with your
comments along the lines of, "if the user *can* do it s/he *will* do it".

FWIW, here's one way you might want to do what you asked for. If you set the
timer interval to 1 millisecond then the form opens without the user seeing
anything but the merest flicker on screen. That's in A97, but it should work
in 2K as well

Here's the form's code module

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Const mod_bAllowVisible = False ' simulate user's inability to 'see' this
form.

Private Sub Form_Activate()
   ' re-hide the form if a user unhides it manually
    Me.Visible = mod_bAllowVisible
    DoEvents
End Sub

Private Sub Form_Timer()
   ' Hide the form after it's loaded
    Me.Visible = mod_bAllowVisible
    DoEvents
   ' no need to fire this event any more so...
    Me.TimerInterval = 0
End Sub


Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John W. Colby [SMTP:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:53 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
> 
> What you're missing is that THIS IS A WIZARD FOR YOU!!!
> 
> I have no clue what YOU are doing so I have to desing it as if YOU don't
> have a clue.
> 
> John W. Colby
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:16 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
> 
> 
> Am I missing something, John?  If you're using a forms class, wouldn't
> there be a test in the Form_Open event of the class to see whether the
> user is allowed to view the form?  Or are you talking about users
> managing to find their way into forms already opened hidden?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
> 
> 
> Gustav,
> 
> >I mean - forms don't just open
> 
> Of course forms "just open".  What do you think the switchboard does?
> It "just opens" forms.  And plenty of developers use the switchboard.
> 
> >and users don't unhide hidden forms
> 
> Of course users unhide forms.  Users poke and pry, and go where they
> aren't supposed to, and find all the chinks in your armor.  If it's not
> supposed to be done, and you have locked that sucker down tight, a user
> WILL get in there!
> 
> >he/she would need to either make the button not visible or not enabled
> >or
> pop up a message telling that the user has been revoked rights to view
> the details; this I guess would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool.
> 
> No, in fact that is exactly the goal of my tool.  It allows you to
> create up to 31 groups and unlimited users.  You then add users to
> groups, ala Windows or SQL Server.  You then tell LWS "These groups can
> SEE these forms". "These groups can see this control on this form".
> etc.
> 
> The flip side of this is that any groups NOT allowed to SEE those forms,
> by definition CAN'T SEE those forms.  And it is the job of LWS to
> guarantee that those users CAN'T see forms they are not supposed to see.
> Thus my email - how do I GUARANTEE that a form that the user is not
> supposed to see remains invisible?
> 
> The point here is that every one who has responded so far has simply
> taken the point of view that "the developer will guarantee" or "users
> won't" or "of course the developer will get rid of menus" etc.
> 
> We all know that NONE of these statements are true.  Developers
> consistently, every day, fail to guarantee...  Users, every day,
> consistently break into places where they aren't supposed to be, often
> quite by accident.  And Of course, developers consistently, year after
> year fail to remove menus.  In fact clients consistently, year after
> year DEMAND that menus remain.  It is not realistic to start from the
> perfect world and assume none of these things happen.
> 
> I have a simple question.  How many of us know how to build a table.
> The first thing all of you will say (waving hand in the air shouting
> frantically) is "I do, I do".  But in fact I don't have a clue how to
> build a table.  Or more correctly I can figure it out using DAO, and I
> can figure it out using SQL but what do I do under normal circumstances?
> Use a WIZARD. The wizard knows how to build a table, I know how to use a
> wizard to build a table.  Same with queries.
> 
> I am attempting to design a system (a wizard) that a developer can use
> to set up the type of security we are discussing here, which I call
> "presentation security".  Light Weight Security allows the developer (or
> even the client) to set up the groups and users.  Once these two tables
> are initialized, there is a "wizard" that allows the developer to select
> forms and then assign groups that can Open/See/Edit/Delete/AddRec etc.
> Whatever the developer decides is stored in a pair of tables (forms and
> controls).
> 
> Notice that all of these things (except open) are nothing more than
> properties of the form.  LWS is attempting to manipulate form properties
> based upon information stored in tables.
> 
> The wizard will allow the developer to select a form, see all of the
> controls on the form, and select controls that you wish to lock down
> such that only specific groups can See/Enter/Edit.
> 
> That is LWS.  The group / user login stuff is working.  The FORM
> security is working (minus a few inconsistencies in being able to hide
> the forms).  The control security is not finished yet.  My post to this
> group was an attempt to figure out how to allow LWS to consistently and
> reliably control the VISIBILITY of a form.  Access does not make it
> easy, but I have had a couple of good suggestions that will help me
> solve this problem.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
> 
> 
> Hi John
> 
> I think Ken has a point here and that you maybe are overcomplicating the
> task. I mean - forms don't just open, and users don't unhide hidden
> forms; how should they be able to do that when the developer has
> designed menus and toolbars for his/her app?
> 
> Also, applying any form of security, light weight or not, the developer
> will have to walk through the app from a to z and arrange for
> modification of menus, buttons, labels ("Double click her to view
> details") etc. If a button is labelled "Show details" on a form and it
> should be disabled for certain users, he/she would need to either make
> the button not visible or not enabled or pop up a message telling that
> the user has been revoked rights to view the details; this I guess would
> be beyond the goal of your LWS tool. Leaving the button as it is and the
> user presses it and the details form just opens hidden is bad UI design
> as the user has no chance for knowing what is going on other than "it
> doesn't work".
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> > Ken,
> 
> > I am writing a security utility aimed at other developers.  It is
> > designed to allow YOU (and me as a developer) to manage the
> > presentation security
> of
> > a database front end.  IOW, what forms can a user / group open?  View?
> Add
> > records to?  Delete records in?  Edit records in?  Etc.
> 
> > As you can see, I am not necessarily "in control of" the target FE at
> design
> > time since the FE is YOURS.  Why would you want to open a form not
> visible?
> > Perhaps the form is a filter form that you use to feed values to a
> > query. Perhaps the form has a timer ticking that performs some
> > process.
> Perhaps...
> > uh... I have no damned idea what else you might decide to do with a
> > form that is open but that a selected group or groups of users are not
> 
> > allowed
> to
> > see.  I know that I personally use a hidden form to force a cleanup of
> 
> > my framework when the database closes.  Since a form cannot close
> > without
> it's
> > OnClose firing, I use that to run a Terminate() function that closes
> > everything gracefully.  So not matter how the db closes, my term()
> function
> > runs.
> 
> > I cannot allow the users to unhide that since it is a background
> processing
> > form and they have no business there.
> 
> > In the end though, the answer is I don't know why any given developer
> > is going to want to open a form that users can't see, I simply know
> > that it happens and I need to provide the developer with a means of
> > enforcing this security.
> 
> ---
> 
> > 1. It escapes me why you would even want to manage an open, invisible
> form.
> > If the user can't view it, then by far the simplist thing to do is not
> open
> > it. Is there some other issue driving this need that you haven't
> elaborated
> > on?
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From pnl1 at psu.edu  Wed Nov 12 10:39:12 2003
From: pnl1 at psu.edu (Paul Liadis)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:39:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Syntax in Access 2000
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031112113630.0346feb0@mail.psu.edu>

Hi,
Is there a place where I can find the SQL syntax that Access uses in the 
SQL view of a query?  I have an SQL statement that does an update in SQL 
Server 2000 that will not run in Access (copy and paste to the SQL View) 
due to a "syntax error".  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,

===============================================
Paul Liadis
Senior Applications Programmer/Analyst
University Budget Office
Pennsylvania State University


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Nov 12 10:46:24 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:46:24 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF7233@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hugh?
Not at my knowledge
It was located elsewhere and named otherwise...

It was in \WinNT\Profiles

Erwin

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Would you believe


I know what it's for, but I still object.  NT handled roaming profiles
without Documents and Settings.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Would you believe


Hi Charlotte.
 
The "Documents and Settings" is infact a very good thing when having
roaming profiles in a network. It is also a security thing so other
users can not get in to your profile and read your mail (when using
PST).
 
If you fully use profiles, your computer may crash, you can continue to
work on another computer without loss of data (except the things as from
the last logon) or workenvironment (it ain't that simple! but still...).

It needs be be discouraged when U use a notebook both out and in the
office, but it works greats for office computers. I use it at all my
clients sites. It gives you pc redundancy. And I'm less stressed by it.
They can login to another computer and just have their mail etc up and
running without dooing a thing.
 
Trust me, profiles are great stuff.... (and that what documents and
settings is all about). You just need to backup it also because it
contains real data.
 
If you wanna save space in there, set the temporary internet files
folder somewhere else or minimise the size. IE sometimes set this to 800
MB (I supose it use x% from the drive as a base). A setting of 50 or
100MB should be enough, but that is a subject for discussion. When you
have an active (one that keeps a cache!) proxy server, a IE setting of
more than 50MB is of no use. Your proxy server does already the necesary
caching. But again, subject for discussion. It's only my opinion.
 
BTW, should this thread not be on the DBA-TECH list?
 
Erwin
 
 
 

	-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- 
	Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com namens Charlotte Foust

	Verzonden: di 11/11/2003 2:01 
	Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
	CC: 
	Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Would you believe
	
	

	I HATE that documents and settings folder!  I put all my Outlook
pst
	files on my D: drive in a folder called Outlook.  Then I can
find them
	again and they aren't part of my ever expanding (metaphorically
speaking
	<G>) profile.  Um ... Where do you think "My Documents" is,
John?
	Unless you created one elsewhere, it and your desktop are also
under
	*documents and settings*.
	
	Charlotte Foust
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
	Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 4:26 PM
	To: AccessD
	Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
	
	
	65000 files in 7000 folders just in jcolby directory of
documents and
	settings.  Among them the PST file for Outlook.  What other
buried
	treasures are in there that should be in My Documents?
	
	John W. Colby
	www.colbyconsulting.com
	
	
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Nov 12 10:49:53 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:49:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227547@main2.marlow.com>

Not really.  It just didn't have the same folder name.  If I remember
correctly, it was under WINNT, in a folder called Profiles.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Would you believe


I know what it's for, but I still object.  NT handled roaming profiles
without Documents and Settings.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Would you believe


Hi Charlotte.
 
The "Documents and Settings" is infact a very good thing when having
roaming profiles in a network. It is also a security thing so other
users can not get in to your profile and read your mail (when using
PST).
 
If you fully use profiles, your computer may crash, you can continue to
work on another computer without loss of data (except the things as from
the last logon) or workenvironment (it ain't that simple! but still...).

It needs be be discouraged when U use a notebook both out and in the
office, but it works greats for office computers. I use it at all my
clients sites. It gives you pc redundancy. And I'm less stressed by it.
They can login to another computer and just have their mail etc up and
running without dooing a thing.
 
Trust me, profiles are great stuff.... (and that what documents and
settings is all about). You just need to backup it also because it
contains real data.
 
If you wanna save space in there, set the temporary internet files
folder somewhere else or minimise the size. IE sometimes set this to 800
MB (I supose it use x% from the drive as a base). A setting of 50 or
100MB should be enough, but that is a subject for discussion. When you
have an active (one that keeps a cache!) proxy server, a IE setting of
more than 50MB is of no use. Your proxy server does already the necesary
caching. But again, subject for discussion. It's only my opinion.
 
BTW, should this thread not be on the DBA-TECH list?
 
Erwin
 
 
 

	-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- 
	Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com namens Charlotte Foust

	Verzonden: di 11/11/2003 2:01 
	Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
	CC: 
	Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Would you believe
	
	

	I HATE that documents and settings folder!  I put all my Outlook
pst
	files on my D: drive in a folder called Outlook.  Then I can
find them
	again and they aren't part of my ever expanding (metaphorically
speaking
	<G>) profile.  Um ... Where do you think "My Documents" is,
John?
	Unless you created one elsewhere, it and your desktop are also
under
	*documents and settings*.
	
	Charlotte Foust
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
	Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 4:26 PM
	To: AccessD
	Subject: [AccessD] Would you believe
	
	
	65000 files in 7000 folders just in jcolby directory of
documents and
	settings.  Among them the PST file for Outlook.  What other
buried
	treasures are in there that should be in My Documents?
	
	John W. Colby
	www.colbyconsulting.com
	
	
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed Nov 12 10:54:14 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:54:14 -0500
Subject: READ NOW!!! RE: [AccessD] Would you believe
Message-ID: <20031112165414.FSHE6808.tomts27-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.22]>

OK.

This thread is dead. NOW!!

If you want to continue this discussion, take it over to dba-tech.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Unfortunately common sense isn't so common!


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 12 10:59:50 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:59:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Syntax in Access 2000
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312436@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Jet SQL uses different wildcards and date delimiters than T-SQL.  My
favorite quick reference is Access Database Programming and Design from
O'Reilly.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Liadis [mailto:pnl1 at psu.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Syntax in Access 2000


Hi,
Is there a place where I can find the SQL syntax that Access uses in the

SQL view of a query?  I have an SQL statement that does an update in SQL

Server 2000 that will not run in Access (copy and paste to the SQL View)

due to a "syntax error".  Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks,

===============================================
Paul Liadis
Senior Applications Programmer/Analyst
University Budget Office
Pennsylvania State University

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 12 11:28:49 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:28:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Distinguishing Key Press
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312437@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

If you'll pardon my saying so, it sounds like you're trying to code
around automatic behavior.  What exactly is it that you want to do
differently based on a tab or enter?   What do you have set as the
default behavior for Tools-->Options-->Advanced-->Move After Enter?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gowey Mike W [mailto:Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Distinguishing Key Press




Hello Everyone,


Does anyone have something that they can share that can be used to
distinguish what key is pressed after updating a field on a form.

I want to be able to know if the Tab key is pressed or if the Enter key
was pressed.  I have to be able to run a different process if the Tab
key is pressed than I would if the Enter key is pressed.

Thanks in advance for any info shared.

Thanks,

Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
Team Leader - SRCI
Information Systems & Services Division

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From pjewett at bayplace.com  Wed Nov 12 11:36:18 2003
From: pjewett at bayplace.com (Phil Jewett)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:36:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] SQL trusted connection problem
Message-ID: <D3C4180250579C42A9C6A5A199772138068B5B@comet.home.bayplace.com>

When I run my Access 2000 frontend on a Windows XP/Access 2002 box, the
SQL Server 2000 login fails, insisting on the 'trusted connection'
network login instead of the SQL Server authentication in the ODBC
connection string.  This was presumably fixed in MDAC 2.6 SP2 - but
maybe only for Access 2000.  It's still there for Access 2002!  This
problem is discussed in
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;279526 .  Any
help on this?

Thanks,

Phil Jewett




From Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us  Wed Nov 12 11:52:50 2003
From: Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us (Gowey Mike W)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:52:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Distinguishing Key Press
Message-ID: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801079B@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>

What I need it to do is if the Tab key is pressed to move to the next
field, if the Enter key is pressed to save the record and than print a
label of the information.

This is a mail tracking database, in the form they are able to enter the
information on the piece of mail that is coming in, lots of times the
same publication comes in, so they fill out all the imformation on the
publication once and all they want to be able to do is change the number
of the reciepient and be able to press enter and the label for the
distribution of the publication/Piece of mail is printed.  If they need
to change any information than pressing the Tab key will allow this.

I hope that makes better sense or maybe I am just muttering

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Distinguishing Key Press


If you'll pardon my saying so, it sounds like you're trying to code
around automatic behavior.  What exactly is it that you want to do
differently based on a tab or enter?   What do you have set as the
default behavior for Tools-->Options-->Advanced-->Move After Enter?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gowey Mike W [mailto:Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Distinguishing Key Press




Hello Everyone,


Does anyone have something that they can share that can be used to
distinguish what key is pressed after updating a field on a form.

I want to be able to know if the Tab key is pressed or if the Enter key
was pressed.  I have to be able to run a different process if the Tab
key is pressed than I would if the Enter key is pressed.

Thanks in advance for any info shared.

Thanks,

Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
Team Leader - SRCI
Information Systems & Services Division

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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Wed Nov 12 11:55:00 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:55:00 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F290884F6@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

On 22 Feb 2003, Dave Sharpe posted this URL:
 <http://www.coj.net/Departments/Tax+Collector/Current+Real+Estate+Download.htm> http://www.coj.net/Departments/Tax+Collector/Current+Real+Estate+Download.htm 

Stephen Bond

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Conny Johansson [mailto:conny at qad.se]
Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2003 7:35 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sample textfile



Thanks a lot Dave 
Now, if someone could provide a link to a >300 000 persons  textfile as 
well, then I'm all set. 
/Conny 

-----Original Message----- 
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[ mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sharpe 
Sent: den 12 november 2003 01:10 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sample textfile 

Conny 

There is a zipcode mdb available for free download from 
http://www.globalpresence.com.au/exchange/support/ 

Dave 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Conny Johansson" <conny at qad.se> 
To: "'Access Developers list'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 5:22 PM 
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile 


Hi 
I usually archive all the posts from this great list. 
Due to a computer crash I cant find them at the moment so.... 

A while back there where questions about sample data and someone posted a 
link to a textfile with 300 000 post. 
Anyone still got that adress? 

I also recall that sometime ago someone mentioned that he/she had all US and 

Canadian zip-codes 
I would be glad for those as well. 
Please mail me offlist if you can help with this. 

H?lsningar / Regards 
Conny Johansson 



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 12 12:07:04 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:07:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Distinguishing Key Press
In-Reply-To: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801079B@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
References: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801079B@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <17838137618.20031112190704@cactus.dk>

Hi Gowey

Then create a button for printing the label and, in the properties
sheet of the button, set it to be the "Default key" of the form.

You may wish to run some validation code before printing to prevent
incomplete labels and/or a pop up a messagebox "Print this label?"
(OK/Cancel) if the user by accident should press Enter.

/gustav


> What I need it to do is if the Tab key is pressed to move to the next
> field, if the Enter key is pressed to save the record and than print a
> label of the information.

> This is a mail tracking database, in the form they are able to enter the
> information on the piece of mail that is coming in, lots of times the
> same publication comes in, so they fill out all the imformation on the
> publication once and all they want to be able to do is change the number
> of the reciepient and be able to press enter and the label for the
> distribution of the publication/Piece of mail is printed.  If they need
> to change any information than pressing the Tab key will allow this.


From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Nov 12 14:05:51 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:05:51 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Re: SQL Syntax in Access 2000
In-Reply-To: <200311121800.hACI0g627758@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031112140514.0291dd10@pop3.highstream.net>

Send your statement that is not working and we can tell you why it is not.

At 12:00 PM 11/12/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:39:12 -0500
>From: Paul Liadis <pnl1 at psu.edu>
>Subject: [AccessD] SQL Syntax in Access 2000
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031112113630.0346feb0 at mail.psu.edu>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
>Hi,
>Is there a place where I can find the SQL syntax that Access uses in the
>SQL view of a query?  I have an SQL statement that does an update in SQL
>Server 2000 that will not run in Access (copy and paste to the SQL View)
>due to a "syntax error".  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>Thanks,



From rl_stewart at highstream.net  Wed Nov 12 14:09:20 2003
From: rl_stewart at highstream.net (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:09:20 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Re: SQL trusted connection problem
In-Reply-To: <200311121800.hACI0g627758@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031112140757.028dd638@pop3.highstream.net>


How is your ODBC DNS set up?

Are you storing the password in it?

Is the SQL Server set up to do mixed mode?


At 12:00 PM 11/12/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:36:18 -0800
>From: "Phil Jewett" <pjewett at bayplace.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] SQL trusted connection problem
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <D3C4180250579C42A9C6A5A199772138068B5B at comet.home.bayplace.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>When I run my Access 2000 frontend on a Windows XP/Access 2002 box, the
>SQL Server 2000 login fails, insisting on the 'trusted connection'
>network login instead of the SQL Server authentication in the ODBC
>connection string.  This was presumably fixed in MDAC 2.6 SP2 - but
>maybe only for Access 2000.  It's still there for Access 2002!  This
>problem is discussed in
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;279526 .  Any
>help on this?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Phil Jewett



From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Nov 12 15:01:25 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:01:25 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT Ignore
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031112140514.0291dd10@pop3.highstream.net>
Message-ID: <005201c3a960$22ff5820$260c6351@martin1>

Test


Martin

From pnl1 at psu.edu  Wed Nov 12 15:05:45 2003
From: pnl1 at psu.edu (Paul Liadis)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:05:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re: SQL Syntax in Access 2000
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031112140514.0291dd10@pop3.highstream.net>
References: <200311121800.hACI0g627758@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031112160452.03271d00@mail.psu.edu>

Here is the statement that will run in SQL Server  2000 but not  Access 2000:

UPDATE [Tmp Master Budget Table]
SET [Tmp Master Budget Table].FundTypeIbis = 
[dbo_ib_header_hist].[CODE_ICOA_FUND_TYPE]
from dbo_ib_header_hist
where [Tmp Master Budget Table].NumbAcct = dbo_ib_header_hist.NUMB_ACCT

Thanks,
Paul Liadis

At 02:05 PM 11/12/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Send your statement that is not working and we can tell you why it is not.
>
>At 12:00 PM 11/12/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:39:12 -0500
>>From: Paul Liadis <pnl1 at psu.edu>
>>Subject: [AccessD] SQL Syntax in Access 2000
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031112113630.0346feb0 at mail.psu.edu>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>
>>Hi,
>>Is there a place where I can find the SQL syntax that Access uses in the
>>SQL view of a query?  I have an SQL statement that does an update in SQL
>>Server 2000 that will not run in Access (copy and paste to the SQL View)
>>due to a "syntax error".  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>Thanks,
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Nov 12 15:13:29 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:13:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
Message-ID: <00d901c3a961$d256eda0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

I have an application which I developed many years ago on a machine with a screen of resolution 640 x 480.  I used the ADH resizing code so the form would fill the screen regardless of the target machine resolution.

I don't use that resizing code in my apps anymore and I would like to abandon that now in this app and go with a straight 800 x 600 which is what my screen is set to.

But the 640 x 480 resolution seems to be a part of the form somehow and each of the controls as well because if I copy over the controls, they don't size correctly on my 800 x 600 screen.  They appear smaller as they would when you put a 640x480 form or control on an 800 x 600 screen.

Plus any new forms I've added to this app recently original in 800 x 600 and that's fine.  

Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Wed Nov 12 15:27:52 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:27:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Re: SQL Syntax in Access 2000
Message-ID: <OF95C3CA71.DC6C1355-ON86256DDC.0075D94F-86256DDC.0075E7E3@nc.us.bank-dns.com>


UPDATE [Tmp Master Budget Table]
SET [Tmp Master Budget Table].FundTypeIbis =
[ib_header_hist].[CODE_ICOA_FUND_TYPE]
from ib_header_hist
where [Tmp Master Budget Table].NumbAcct = ib_header_hist.NUMB_ACCT


                                                                                                                                 
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Here is the statement that will run in SQL Server  2000 but not  Access
2000:

UPDATE [Tmp Master Budget Table]
SET [Tmp Master Budget Table].FundTypeIbis =
[dbo_ib_header_hist].[CODE_ICOA_FUND_TYPE]
from dbo_ib_header_hist
where [Tmp Master Budget Table].NumbAcct = dbo_ib_header_hist.NUMB_ACCT

Thanks,
Paul Liadis

At 02:05 PM 11/12/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Send your statement that is not working and we can tell you why it is not.
>
>At 12:00 PM 11/12/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:39:12 -0500
>>From: Paul Liadis <pnl1 at psu.edu>
>>Subject: [AccessD] SQL Syntax in Access 2000
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20031112113630.0346feb0 at mail.psu.edu>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>
>>Hi,
>>Is there a place where I can find the SQL syntax that Access uses in the
>>SQL view of a query?  I have an SQL statement that does an update in SQL
>>Server 2000 that will not run in Access (copy and paste to the SQL View)
>>due to a "syntax error".  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>Thanks,
>
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From conny at qad.se  Wed Nov 12 15:39:47 2003
From: conny at qad.se (Conny Johansson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:39:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile
In-Reply-To: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F290884F6@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>
Message-ID: <20031112214101.083662B118@boxmail1.box.se>

Thank you Stephen 
That's the file I was looking for. 
/Conny 

-----Original Message----- 
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Sent: den 12 november 2003 18:55 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sample textfile 

On 22 Feb 2003, Dave Sharpe posted this URL: 
 
<http://www.coj.net/Departments/Tax+Collector/Current+Real+Estate+Download.h
tm>
http://www.coj.net/Departments/Tax+Collector/Current+Real+Estate+Download.ht
m 

Stephen Bond 

  

-----Original Message----- 
From: Conny Johansson [mailto:conny at qad.se] 
Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2003 7:35 p.m. 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sample textfile 



Thanks a lot Dave 
Now, if someone could provide a link to a >300 000 persons  textfile as 
well, then I'm all set. 
/Conny 

-----Original Message----- 
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[ mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sharpe 
Sent: den 12 november 2003 01:10 
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sample textfile 

Conny 

There is a zipcode mdb available for free download from 
http://www.globalpresence.com.au/exchange/support/ 

Dave 

----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 5:22 PM 
Subject: [AccessD] Sample textfile 


Hi 
I usually archive all the posts from this great list. 
Due to a computer crash I cant find them at the moment so.... 

A while back there where questions about sample data and someone posted a 
link to a textfile with 300 000 post. 
Anyone still got that adress? 

I also recall that sometime ago someone mentioned that he/she had all US and


Canadian zip-codes 
I would be glad for those as well. 
Please mail me offlist if you can help with this. 

H?lsningar / Regards 
Conny Johansson 



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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Wed Nov 12 15:53:13 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:23:13 +1030
Subject: [AccessD] SQL trusted connection problem
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A520@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Please don't double post - we've responded a few times to your initial
question and you didn't answer our questions!

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Jewett [mailto:pjewett at bayplace.com]
Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 4:06 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] SQL trusted connection problem


When I run my Access 2000 frontend on a Windows XP/Access 2002 box, the
SQL Server 2000 login fails, insisting on the 'trusted connection'
network login instead of the SQL Server authentication in the ODBC
connection string.  This was presumably fixed in MDAC 2.6 SP2 - but
maybe only for Access 2000.  It's still there for Access 2002!  This
problem is discussed in
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;279526 .  Any
help on this?

Thanks,

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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Wed Nov 12 18:10:40 2003
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:10:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
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John,

I agree with Lambert that users are nosy and invasive. However, if you lock
down the interface, and use an mde in runtime mode, you will keep out all
but the most persistent users.

I also have to agree with Gustav that most developers will choose to manage
the user's access by hiding or disabling controls. This means that the LWS
form permission functionality will be rarely needed in production apps.

Is this a drawback of the LWS idea? No... I see several opportunities here:

 * LWS form permissions can act as a failsafe if there are leaks in the UI
logic. Because this is an exceptional condition, you wouldn't have to do
anything fancy: just display a message and close the form.

 * Developers need a way to query LWS about permissions, something like:
	cmdShowSalary.Visible = LWS.HasPermission(CurrentUser, "Open", "frmSalary")

 * If LWS could automatically enable/show a control based on a user's
permissions to open a particular form (with no coding on the developer's
part), that would be _way_ cool.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'jcolby at colbyconsulting.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John,

I followed your arguments for doing this, and I fully agree with your
comments along the lines of, "if the user *can* do it s/he *will* do it".

FWIW, here's one way you might want to do what you asked for. If you set the
timer interval to 1 millisecond then the form opens without the user seeing
anything but the merest flicker on screen. That's in A97, but it should work
in 2K as well

Here's the form's code module

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Const mod_bAllowVisible = False ' simulate user's inability to 'see' this
form.

Private Sub Form_Activate()
   ' re-hide the form if a user unhides it manually
    Me.Visible = mod_bAllowVisible
    DoEvents
End Sub

Private Sub Form_Timer()
   ' Hide the form after it's loaded
    Me.Visible = mod_bAllowVisible
    DoEvents
   ' no need to fire this event any more so...
    Me.TimerInterval = 0
End Sub


Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John W. Colby [SMTP:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:53 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
>
> What you're missing is that THIS IS A WIZARD FOR YOU!!!
>
> I have no clue what YOU are doing so I have to desing it as if YOU don't
> have a clue.
>
> John W. Colby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:16 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
>
>
> Am I missing something, John?  If you're using a forms class, wouldn't
> there be a test in the Form_Open event of the class to see whether the
> user is allowed to view the form?  Or are you talking about users
> managing to find their way into forms already opened hidden?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
>
>
> Gustav,
>
> >I mean - forms don't just open
>
> Of course forms "just open".  What do you think the switchboard does?
> It "just opens" forms.  And plenty of developers use the switchboard.
>
> >and users don't unhide hidden forms
>
> Of course users unhide forms.  Users poke and pry, and go where they
> aren't supposed to, and find all the chinks in your armor.  If it's not
> supposed to be done, and you have locked that sucker down tight, a user
> WILL get in there!
>
> >he/she would need to either make the button not visible or not enabled
> >or
> pop up a message telling that the user has been revoked rights to view
> the details; this I guess would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool.
>
> No, in fact that is exactly the goal of my tool.  It allows you to
> create up to 31 groups and unlimited users.  You then add users to
> groups, ala Windows or SQL Server.  You then tell LWS "These groups can
> SEE these forms". "These groups can see this control on this form".
> etc.
>
> The flip side of this is that any groups NOT allowed to SEE those forms,
> by definition CAN'T SEE those forms.  And it is the job of LWS to
> guarantee that those users CAN'T see forms they are not supposed to see.
> Thus my email - how do I GUARANTEE that a form that the user is not
> supposed to see remains invisible?
>
> The point here is that every one who has responded so far has simply
> taken the point of view that "the developer will guarantee" or "users
> won't" or "of course the developer will get rid of menus" etc.
>
> We all know that NONE of these statements are true.  Developers
> consistently, every day, fail to guarantee...  Users, every day,
> consistently break into places where they aren't supposed to be, often
> quite by accident.  And Of course, developers consistently, year after
> year fail to remove menus.  In fact clients consistently, year after
> year DEMAND that menus remain.  It is not realistic to start from the
> perfect world and assume none of these things happen.
>
> I have a simple question.  How many of us know how to build a table.
> The first thing all of you will say (waving hand in the air shouting
> frantically) is "I do, I do".  But in fact I don't have a clue how to
> build a table.  Or more correctly I can figure it out using DAO, and I
> can figure it out using SQL but what do I do under normal circumstances?
> Use a WIZARD. The wizard knows how to build a table, I know how to use a
> wizard to build a table.  Same with queries.
>
> I am attempting to design a system (a wizard) that a developer can use
> to set up the type of security we are discussing here, which I call
> "presentation security".  Light Weight Security allows the developer (or
> even the client) to set up the groups and users.  Once these two tables
> are initialized, there is a "wizard" that allows the developer to select
> forms and then assign groups that can Open/See/Edit/Delete/AddRec etc.
> Whatever the developer decides is stored in a pair of tables (forms and
> controls).
>
> Notice that all of these things (except open) are nothing more than
> properties of the form.  LWS is attempting to manipulate form properties
> based upon information stored in tables.
>
> The wizard will allow the developer to select a form, see all of the
> controls on the form, and select controls that you wish to lock down
> such that only specific groups can See/Enter/Edit.
>
> That is LWS.  The group / user login stuff is working.  The FORM
> security is working (minus a few inconsistencies in being able to hide
> the forms).  The control security is not finished yet.  My post to this
> group was an attempt to figure out how to allow LWS to consistently and
> reliably control the VISIBILITY of a form.  Access does not make it
> easy, but I have had a couple of good suggestions that will help me
> solve this problem.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
>
>
> Hi John
>
> I think Ken has a point here and that you maybe are overcomplicating the
> task. I mean - forms don't just open, and users don't unhide hidden
> forms; how should they be able to do that when the developer has
> designed menus and toolbars for his/her app?
>
> Also, applying any form of security, light weight or not, the developer
> will have to walk through the app from a to z and arrange for
> modification of menus, buttons, labels ("Double click her to view
> details") etc. If a button is labelled "Show details" on a form and it
> should be disabled for certain users, he/she would need to either make
> the button not visible or not enabled or pop up a message telling that
> the user has been revoked rights to view the details; this I guess would
> be beyond the goal of your LWS tool. Leaving the button as it is and the
> user presses it and the details form just opens hidden is bad UI design
> as the user has no chance for knowing what is going on other than "it
> doesn't work".
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Ken,
>
> > I am writing a security utility aimed at other developers.  It is
> > designed to allow YOU (and me as a developer) to manage the
> > presentation security
> of
> > a database front end.  IOW, what forms can a user / group open?  View?
> Add
> > records to?  Delete records in?  Edit records in?  Etc.
>
> > As you can see, I am not necessarily "in control of" the target FE at
> design
> > time since the FE is YOURS.  Why would you want to open a form not
> visible?
> > Perhaps the form is a filter form that you use to feed values to a
> > query. Perhaps the form has a timer ticking that performs some
> > process.
> Perhaps...
> > uh... I have no damned idea what else you might decide to do with a
> > form that is open but that a selected group or groups of users are not
>
> > allowed
> to
> > see.  I know that I personally use a hidden form to force a cleanup of
>
> > my framework when the database closes.  Since a form cannot close
> > without
> it's
> > OnClose firing, I use that to run a Terminate() function that closes
> > everything gracefully.  So not matter how the db closes, my term()
> function
> > runs.
>
> > I cannot allow the users to unhide that since it is a background
> processing
> > form and they have no business there.
>
> > In the end though, the answer is I don't know why any given developer
> > is going to want to open a form that users can't see, I simply know
> > that it happens and I need to provide the developer with a means of
> > enforcing this security.
>
> ---
>
> > 1. It escapes me why you would even want to manage an open, invisible
> form.
> > If the user can't view it, then by far the simplist thing to do is not
> open
> > it. Is there some other issue driving this need that you haven't
> elaborated
> > on?
>
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Wed Nov 12 18:47:52 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:47:52 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser
Message-ID: <01a801c3a97f$c4ea8370$3c619a89@DDICK>

Hello all
I have a Web Developer friend asking me if anyone knows of some useful
URL's that will show how to or give examples of administering Access security via a browser.

She has Access Security implemented and can administer it fine from the local PC via the
'normal' means, she just wants to do it via the web 

Many thanks in advance

Darren



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 12 18:59:56 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:59:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au  Wed Nov 12 19:00:16 2003
From: connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au (connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:00:16 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser
Message-ID: <OFA0F2704D.CA1DAE10-ONCA256DDD.000544F0@agric.nsw.gov.au>

Darren,

I have foudn some interesting articles on here for web based applications. 
You have to sort through a few but there is some good content. 

http://www.internetwebfactory.com/dotnet.html

Connie Kamrowski

Analyst/Programmer
Information Technology
NSW Agriculture
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 12 19:03:53 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:03:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
In-Reply-To: <00d901c3a961$d256eda0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Rocky,

The reason this is happening (I think) is that in order to use the old ADH
code (I used it myself) you had to design for the smallest resolution, i.e.
you manually edited the controls down to that size (or set it all up
actually using 640x480).  I know of nothing that will go in and resize
everything for you, though there may be tools like that.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:13 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms


Dear List:

I have an application which I developed many years ago on a machine with a
screen of resolution 640 x 480.  I used the ADH resizing code so the form
would fill the screen regardless of the target machine resolution.

I don't use that resizing code in my apps anymore and I would like to
abandon that now in this app and go with a straight 800 x 600 which is what
my screen is set to.

But the 640 x 480 resolution seems to be a part of the form somehow and each
of the controls as well because if I copy over the controls, they don't size
correctly on my 800 x 600 screen.  They appear smaller as they would when
you put a 640x480 form or control on an 800 x 600 screen.

Plus any new forms I've added to this app recently original in 800 x 600 and
that's fine.

Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Nov 12 19:14:52 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:14:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <011f01c3a983$8a8de1f0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

I originally created the forms on a machine whose screen res was set to 640
x 480.

But there's got to be a way to escape from this trap without re-creating the
forms all over on the 600 x 800 machine.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms


> Rocky,
>
> The reason this is happening (I think) is that in order to use the old ADH
> code (I used it myself) you had to design for the smallest resolution,
i.e.
> you manually edited the controls down to that size (or set it all up
> actually using 640x480).  I know of nothing that will go in and resize
> everything for you, though there may be tools like that.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:13 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have an application which I developed many years ago on a machine with a
> screen of resolution 640 x 480.  I used the ADH resizing code so the form
> would fill the screen regardless of the target machine resolution.
>
> I don't use that resizing code in my apps anymore and I would like to
> abandon that now in this app and go with a straight 800 x 600 which is
what
> my screen is set to.
>
> But the 640 x 480 resolution seems to be a part of the form somehow and
each
> of the controls as well because if I copy over the controls, they don't
size
> correctly on my 800 x 600 screen.  They appear smaller as they would when
> you put a 640x480 form or control on an 800 x 600 screen.
>
> Plus any new forms I've added to this app recently original in 800 x 600
and
> that's fine.
>
> Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Wed Nov 12 19:15:45 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:45:45 +1030
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A527@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I  Use MDE's and
roll my own security depending on the requirements of the client.

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Wed Nov 12 19:25:51 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:25:51 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A527@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <02d601c3a985$13ac4f70$8001a8c0@user>

Yeah - I would be a 2, but unless the client specifically insists on that form of security (it did happen once but 3 years ago) I use my own login / security procedure.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Haslett, Andrew 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:15 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


  6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I  Use MDE's and
  roll my own security depending on the requirements of the client.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
  Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM
  To: AccessD
  Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


  I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
  security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
  workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

  Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

  1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
  down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
  2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
  definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
  3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
  need help / books to do it again.
  4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
  off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
  done.  Books / help definitly needed.
  5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
  it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

  If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

  As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
  willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
  just never did it (for real).

  John W. Colby
  www.colbyconsulting.com


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 12 19:23:09 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:23:09 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] SQL trusted connection problem
In-Reply-To: <D3C4180250579C42A9C6A5A199772138068B5B@comet.home.bayplace.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOELCCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Phil:

Check the following out in your registry. If a similar entry does not exist
add this entry in, to the client stations:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\MSSQLSERVER\Client\ConnectTo]"MyServe
r"="DBNMPNTW,MyServer"

Had to run an automated process on almost sixty stations about a year ago.

HTH
Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Phil Jewett
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:36 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] SQL trusted connection problem


When I run my Access 2000 frontend on a Windows XP/Access 2002 box, the
SQL Server 2000 login fails, insisting on the 'trusted connection'
network login instead of the SQL Server authentication in the ODBC
connection string.  This was presumably fixed in MDAC 2.6 SP2 - but
maybe only for Access 2000.  It's still there for Access 2002!  This
problem is discussed in
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;279526 .  Any
help on this?

Thanks,

Phil Jewett



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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 12 19:33:13 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:33:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <02d601c3a985$13ac4f70$8001a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEKKFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Kath,

Pardon me if I seem incredulous but you are saying that you have used Access
Security once, three years ago, but could secure a database in a few hours
without referencing any books or help?  Is this the same security I am
looking at?  Am I making it harder than it is?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Yeah - I would be a 2, but unless the client specifically insists on that
form of security (it did happen once but 3 years ago) I use my own login /
security procedure.

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Haslett, Andrew
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:15 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


  6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I  Use MDE's and
  roll my own security depending on the requirements of the client.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
  Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM
  To: AccessD
  Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


  I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
  security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
  workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

  Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

  1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
  down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
  2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
  definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
  3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
would
  need help / books to do it again.
  4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
toe
  off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
  done.  Books / help definitly needed.
  5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
learn
  it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

  If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

  As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
  willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so
I
  just never did it (for real).

  John W. Colby
  www.colbyconsulting.com


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Nov 12 19:35:16 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:35:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <31961463.1068685360095.JavaMail.root@sniper.marix.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3a986$64742170$de1811d8@DanWaters>

I would consider myself a 4.  

I know how to deactivate the F11 key and shift bypass keys in code, and have
installed a workgroup file in a network folder that was secured to all but
network admin people.  The database opened fine for all users!  Test first -
this is not documented!

Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Wed Nov 12 19:37:38 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:37:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <PBEDKHOENPLNGHCEPCDPAEJFDEAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>

2 for me please....


Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 12 19:39:39 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:39:39 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKELDCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

Odd questions but I would rate myself as a 4, the other stuff I have samples
on but would have to dig for the answers. The ultimate security is simply to
go to any SQL server, as far as I am concerned. MDB security is too fragile
and hackable. A couple of years back I had to hack a few, think it was two
or three, MDBs that were supposedly secure, so the client could work on the
tables after the initial programmers had disappeared. Cracked them all...and
I would not consider myself a whiz at that stuff, it was just that MS MDB
security is a little weak.

M$'s main DB security is lack of supplied information.

My two cents worth
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Wed Nov 12 19:50:57 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:50:57 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEKKFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <032001c3a988$95727ae0$8001a8c0@user>

No - I have (years ago) trained advanced users in Access security over and over again, so the basics had to become second knowledge to me.

I was asked by a client when writing a large-ish system to specifically use security so I did that. I have helped clients who have secured databases with setting up shortcuts to specifically call their mdw files, as they often have several mdb's secured and several mdw's. I have helped clients who have corrupted their system mdw's restore them back etc etc.

So it may take me some basic revision now that I do not use it (my choice and totally my preference) but not much.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John W. Colby 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:33 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


  Kath,

  Pardon me if I seem incredulous but you are saying that you have used Access
  Security once, three years ago, but could secure a database in a few hours
  without referencing any books or help?  Is this the same security I am
  looking at?  Am I making it harder than it is?

  John W. Colby
  www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:26 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


  Yeah - I would be a 2, but unless the client specifically insists on that
  form of security (it did happen once but 3 years ago) I use my own login /
  security procedure.

  Kath
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Haslett, Andrew
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
    Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:15 PM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


    6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I  Use MDE's and
    roll my own security depending on the requirements of the client.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
    Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM
    To: AccessD
    Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


    I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
    security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
    workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

    Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

    1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
    down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
    2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
    definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
    3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
  would
    need help / books to do it again.
    4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
  toe
    off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
    done.  Books / help definitly needed.
    5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
  learn
    it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

    If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

    As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
    willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so
  I
    just never did it (for real).

    John W. Colby
    www.colbyconsulting.com


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From sgoodhall at comcast.net  Wed Nov 12 20:00:23 2003
From: sgoodhall at comcast.net (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:00:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <GOEIJOAPGAMPLIOCMEPMGEDPCMAA.sgoodhall@comcast.net>

1. Actually, I would probably be a 2 except that I got so annoyed with the
process that I automated it.  It's on my web site at
www.goodhall.info/steve/software.html

Regards,

Steve Goodhall



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 12 20:01:18 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:01:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <032001c3a988$95727ae0$8001a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEKMFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Ahh.. understood.

And why is it your choice to not use Access Security? (yes, that is a
leading question ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


No - I have (years ago) trained advanced users in Access security over and
over again, so the basics had to become second knowledge to me.

I was asked by a client when writing a large-ish system to specifically use
security so I did that. I have helped clients who have secured databases
with setting up shortcuts to specifically call their mdw files, as they
often have several mdb's secured and several mdw's. I have helped clients
who have corrupted their system mdw's restore them back etc etc.

So it may take me some basic revision now that I do not use it (my choice
and totally my preference) but not much.

Kath
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: John W. Colby
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:33 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


  Kath,

  Pardon me if I seem incredulous but you are saying that you have used
Access
  Security once, three years ago, but could secure a database in a few hours
  without referencing any books or help?  Is this the same security I am
  looking at?  Am I making it harder than it is?

  John W. Colby
  www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:26 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


  Yeah - I would be a 2, but unless the client specifically insists on that
  form of security (it did happen once but 3 years ago) I use my own login /
  security procedure.

  Kath
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Haslett, Andrew
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
    Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:15 PM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


    6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I  Use MDE's
and
    roll my own security depending on the requirements of the client.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
    Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM
    To: AccessD
    Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


    I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
    security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather
using
    workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

    Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

    1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a
database
    down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
    2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
    definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
    3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
  would
    need help / books to do it again.
    4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
  toe
    off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
    done.  Books / help definitly needed.
    5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
  learn
    it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

    If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate
it.

    As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
    willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do
so
  I
    just never did it (for real).

    John W. Colby
    www.colbyconsulting.com





From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 12 20:02:44 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:02:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKELDCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEKMFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>M$'s main DB security is lack of supplied information.

ROTFL.

And I intentionally called mine Light Weight Security precisely to avoid any
expectations that it would lock down a database against someone like
yourself.

I have discovered that:

There are hackers out there that can take down Fort Knox.  If you are
worried about them Access is not your tool.
99.9% of the day to day damage is done by innocent users doing things they
shouldn't be allowed to do.
99.9% of that damage is easily prevented using something waaaaaaay less
obtuse than Access security.

Funny but true story.  I had a user who had apparently taken a class
somewhere.  She told me one day that she had attempted to make a change to
one of my tables but that she couldn't make the change stick.  She was
attempting to MODIFY a field in a LINKED table.  She did not even understand
what a linked table was, nor where the real data was.

It never occurred to me that a user would even attempt to modify a table of
a database that was company property and over which she had no design
authority.  She was just a user!

No harm was done of course, but I had to have a heart to heart with her as
to what her job was.

And of course, if the company allows it (and this one doesn't) simply
setting the database properties would keep such inexpert busy fingers out of
the pie.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Hi John:

Odd questions but I would rate myself as a 4, the other stuff I have samples
on but would have to dig for the answers. The ultimate security is simply to
go to any SQL server, as far as I am concerned. MDB security is too fragile
and hackable. A couple of years back I had to hack a few, think it was two
or three, MDBs that were supposedly secure, so the client could work on the
tables after the initial programmers had disappeared. Cracked them all...and
I would not consider myself a whiz at that stuff, it was just that MS MDB
security is a little weak.

M$'s main DB security is lack of supplied information.

My two cents worth
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Wed Nov 12 20:31:58 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:31:58 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEKMFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <003501c3a98e$50405770$8001a8c0@user>

Several reasons:

1. Most of my clients don't need that level of security and protect their data in other ways,

2. I have worked on several sites where the combination of mdb's secured with multiple mdw's was a nightmare for the same people who set them up (ie in house staff), several cases of 'lost' mdw's and I find that too often the original system mdw's are modified (I can remember posting problems with Access security to the list which all ended up being a case of the client's original system.mdw having been modified....headaches) 

3. When clients ask me (all the time) to set up security, it has mostly been because they want to make some aspects of the system visible / not visible to groups of users, or certain functions available / not available to groups of users. So a homegrown system which tracks a user group and user name has been enough for me combined with setting my system properties before delivering the mde. It is made clear to the client that this level of security will never prevent them from a professional who is determined to hack in.

I'm not expert on this and I look forward to reading what the "1's"  have to say...........so many posts have been made to the list on security that it's obviously an issue for most developers at some stage or another.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John W. Colby 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:01 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


  Ahh.. understood.

  And why is it your choice to not use Access Security? (yes, that is a
  leading question ;-)

  John W. Colby
  www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
  Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:51 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


  No - I have (years ago) trained advanced users in Access security over and
  over again, so the basics had to become second knowledge to me.

  I was asked by a client when writing a large-ish system to specifically use
  security so I did that. I have helped clients who have secured databases
  with setting up shortcuts to specifically call their mdw files, as they
  often have several mdb's secured and several mdw's. I have helped clients
  who have corrupted their system mdw's restore them back etc etc.

  So it may take me some basic revision now that I do not use it (my choice
  and totally my preference) but not much.

  Kath
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: John W. Colby
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:33 PM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


    Kath,

    Pardon me if I seem incredulous but you are saying that you have used
  Access
    Security once, three years ago, but could secure a database in a few hours
    without referencing any books or help?  Is this the same security I am
    looking at?  Am I making it harder than it is?

    John W. Colby
    www.colbyconsulting.com

    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
    Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:26 PM
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


    Yeah - I would be a 2, but unless the client specifically insists on that
    form of security (it did happen once but 3 years ago) I use my own login /
    security procedure.

    Kath
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Haslett, Andrew
      To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
      Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:15 PM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


      6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I  Use MDE's
  and
      roll my own security depending on the requirements of the client.

      -----Original Message-----
      From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
      Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM
      To: AccessD
      Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


      I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
      security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather
  using
      workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

      Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

      1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a
  database
      down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
      2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
      definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
      3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
    would
      need help / books to do it again.
      4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
    toe
      off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
      done.  Books / help definitly needed.
      5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
    learn
      it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

      If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate
  it.

      As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
      willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do
  so
    I
      just never did it (for real).

      John W. Colby
      www.colbyconsulting.com




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From connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au  Wed Nov 12 20:35:46 2003
From: connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au (connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:35:46 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <OF78AE2867.B03937FE-ONCA256DDD.000E25F0@agric.nsw.gov.au>

4)I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a 
toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definately needed.

Connie Kamrowski

Analyst/Programmer
Information Technology
NSW Agriculture
Orange

Ph: 02 6391 3250
Fax:02 6391 3290


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From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Nov 12 20:48:37 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:48:37 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <20031112204837.1758067974.serbach@new.rr.com>

John,

I'm a 4.5: I've read about it but never attempted it.

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 12 20:44:05 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:44:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
In-Reply-To: <005c01c3a97a$93181880$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKOFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Ken,

 * Developers need a way to query LWS about permissions, something like:
	cmdShowSalary.Visible = LWS.HasPermission(CurrentUser, "Open", "frmSalary")

 * If LWS could automatically enable/show a control based on a user's
permissions to open a particular form (with no coding on the developer's
part), that would be _way_ cool.

It does both of these things.  In fact it takes it one step further and just
does it for the developer, code similar to your first example is embedded in
the form class.

I designed LWS years ago for my own needs.  I wanted a means of setting up
presentation security quickly and easily.  I have run into many scenarios
over the years where the user wanted common screens for everyone to use, but
wanted some people to be able to do this, some to do that.  Some users were
data entry and could add records but not delete existing records, others
were users who weren't supposed to add records, only edit existing records,
but only in this area.  Some were supervisors that could "log in" to a
normal user's machine to over-ride a mistake.  Only Personnel could even
view the personnel records, only managers could edit employee eval forms.

In a real world database (except for Gustav's for some odd reason ;-) it is
not uncommon for data entry to not find existing claimants (for example) and
create a new claimant.  The SSN was entered wrong and so in they go.  Later
it is discovered that there are two claimant records for the same person
with claims assigned to each of them.  Someone has to go in and reassign the
claims from one of the dupe claimants to another, then go back and delete
the dupe claimant.

I set up a combo on the claim form that is bound to the claimant FK in the
claim.  The regular user doesn't even see this combo, it is hidden to them.
A supervisor can log in however and this combo unhides automatically because
the supervisor group has view/edit privileges on that control.  The
supervisor can then select the correct claimant record and the claim is now
re-assigned to that claimant record.  The supervisor can go in to the
claimant form and delete the duplicate record whereas no other group (except
administrator) has authority to delete claimants.  Managers can view / edit
employee eval forms, personnel can view but not edit, no other group can
even open them.

All of these capabilities are what LWS provides.  My original LWS did not
use user / groups and thus was a bit of a pain to administer.  Since I wrote
the original I have learned a lot, classes and withevents included, so I
decided a rewrite was in order.

Basically the concept is working as we speak.  Users / groups / login /
assigning authority over form properties
(open/visible/AllowEdit/AllowDelete/AllowAdd) to groups / Assigning
authority over control properties to groups (visible / Locked / Enabled).
All of that functionality exists and is working.  I have forms for editing
users / groups / form properties, and am working on the form for editing
control properties.

LWS is close to being a usable system again, using everything I've learned
since the last time.

It is not intended as a replacement for Access' security, rather a
compliment to it.  It makes no effort to secure things like queries or
tables.  It does nothing more than set properties of forms and controls as a
form opens to control who can use / see / edit things.  Other forms of
security (such as setting database properties) should be used as well.
Perhaps even Access' built-in security, depending on the needs.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ismert
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John,

I agree with Lambert that users are nosy and invasive. However, if you lock
down the interface, and use an mde in runtime mode, you will keep out all
but the most persistent users.

I also have to agree with Gustav that most developers will choose to manage
the user's access by hiding or disabling controls. This means that the LWS
form permission functionality will be rarely needed in production apps.

Is this a drawback of the LWS idea? No... I see several opportunities here:

 * LWS form permissions can act as a failsafe if there are leaks in the UI
logic. Because this is an exceptional condition, you wouldn't have to do
anything fancy: just display a message and close the form.

 * Developers need a way to query LWS about permissions, something like:
	cmdShowSalary.Visible = LWS.HasPermission(CurrentUser, "Open", "frmSalary")

 * If LWS could automatically enable/show a control based on a user's
permissions to open a particular form (with no coding on the developer's
part), that would be _way_ cool.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: 'jcolby at colbyconsulting.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open


John,

I followed your arguments for doing this, and I fully agree with your
comments along the lines of, "if the user *can* do it s/he *will* do it".

FWIW, here's one way you might want to do what you asked for. If you set the
timer interval to 1 millisecond then the form opens without the user seeing
anything but the merest flicker on screen. That's in A97, but it should work
in 2K as well

Here's the form's code module

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Const mod_bAllowVisible = False ' simulate user's inability to 'see' this
form.

Private Sub Form_Activate()
   ' re-hide the form if a user unhides it manually
    Me.Visible = mod_bAllowVisible
    DoEvents
End Sub

Private Sub Form_Timer()
   ' Hide the form after it's loaded
    Me.Visible = mod_bAllowVisible
    DoEvents
   ' no need to fire this event any more so...
    Me.TimerInterval = 0
End Sub


Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John W. Colby [SMTP:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:53 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
>
> What you're missing is that THIS IS A WIZARD FOR YOU!!!
>
> I have no clue what YOU are doing so I have to desing it as if YOU don't
> have a clue.
>
> John W. Colby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:16 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
>
>
> Am I missing something, John?  If you're using a forms class, wouldn't
> there be a test in the Form_Open event of the class to see whether the
> user is allowed to view the form?  Or are you talking about users
> managing to find their way into forms already opened hidden?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:52 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
>
>
> Gustav,
>
> >I mean - forms don't just open
>
> Of course forms "just open".  What do you think the switchboard does?
> It "just opens" forms.  And plenty of developers use the switchboard.
>
> >and users don't unhide hidden forms
>
> Of course users unhide forms.  Users poke and pry, and go where they
> aren't supposed to, and find all the chinks in your armor.  If it's not
> supposed to be done, and you have locked that sucker down tight, a user
> WILL get in there!
>
> >he/she would need to either make the button not visible or not enabled
> >or
> pop up a message telling that the user has been revoked rights to view
> the details; this I guess would be beyond the goal of your LWS tool.
>
> No, in fact that is exactly the goal of my tool.  It allows you to
> create up to 31 groups and unlimited users.  You then add users to
> groups, ala Windows or SQL Server.  You then tell LWS "These groups can
> SEE these forms". "These groups can see this control on this form".
> etc.
>
> The flip side of this is that any groups NOT allowed to SEE those forms,
> by definition CAN'T SEE those forms.  And it is the job of LWS to
> guarantee that those users CAN'T see forms they are not supposed to see.
> Thus my email - how do I GUARANTEE that a form that the user is not
> supposed to see remains invisible?
>
> The point here is that every one who has responded so far has simply
> taken the point of view that "the developer will guarantee" or "users
> won't" or "of course the developer will get rid of menus" etc.
>
> We all know that NONE of these statements are true.  Developers
> consistently, every day, fail to guarantee...  Users, every day,
> consistently break into places where they aren't supposed to be, often
> quite by accident.  And Of course, developers consistently, year after
> year fail to remove menus.  In fact clients consistently, year after
> year DEMAND that menus remain.  It is not realistic to start from the
> perfect world and assume none of these things happen.
>
> I have a simple question.  How many of us know how to build a table.
> The first thing all of you will say (waving hand in the air shouting
> frantically) is "I do, I do".  But in fact I don't have a clue how to
> build a table.  Or more correctly I can figure it out using DAO, and I
> can figure it out using SQL but what do I do under normal circumstances?
> Use a WIZARD. The wizard knows how to build a table, I know how to use a
> wizard to build a table.  Same with queries.
>
> I am attempting to design a system (a wizard) that a developer can use
> to set up the type of security we are discussing here, which I call
> "presentation security".  Light Weight Security allows the developer (or
> even the client) to set up the groups and users.  Once these two tables
> are initialized, there is a "wizard" that allows the developer to select
> forms and then assign groups that can Open/See/Edit/Delete/AddRec etc.
> Whatever the developer decides is stored in a pair of tables (forms and
> controls).
>
> Notice that all of these things (except open) are nothing more than
> properties of the form.  LWS is attempting to manipulate form properties
> based upon information stored in tables.
>
> The wizard will allow the developer to select a form, see all of the
> controls on the form, and select controls that you wish to lock down
> such that only specific groups can See/Enter/Edit.
>
> That is LWS.  The group / user login stuff is working.  The FORM
> security is working (minus a few inconsistencies in being able to hide
> the forms).  The control security is not finished yet.  My post to this
> group was an attempt to figure out how to allow LWS to consistently and
> reliably control the VISIBILITY of a form.  Access does not make it
> easy, but I have had a couple of good suggestions that will help me
> solve this problem.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K - setting a form invisible on open
>
>
> Hi John
>
> I think Ken has a point here and that you maybe are overcomplicating the
> task. I mean - forms don't just open, and users don't unhide hidden
> forms; how should they be able to do that when the developer has
> designed menus and toolbars for his/her app?
>
> Also, applying any form of security, light weight or not, the developer
> will have to walk through the app from a to z and arrange for
> modification of menus, buttons, labels ("Double click her to view
> details") etc. If a button is labelled "Show details" on a form and it
> should be disabled for certain users, he/she would need to either make
> the button not visible or not enabled or pop up a message telling that
> the user has been revoked rights to view the details; this I guess would
> be beyond the goal of your LWS tool. Leaving the button as it is and the
> user presses it and the details form just opens hidden is bad UI design
> as the user has no chance for knowing what is going on other than "it
> doesn't work".
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Ken,
>
> > I am writing a security utility aimed at other developers.  It is
> > designed to allow YOU (and me as a developer) to manage the
> > presentation security
> of
> > a database front end.  IOW, what forms can a user / group open?  View?
> Add
> > records to?  Delete records in?  Edit records in?  Etc.
>
> > As you can see, I am not necessarily "in control of" the target FE at
> design
> > time since the FE is YOURS.  Why would you want to open a form not
> visible?
> > Perhaps the form is a filter form that you use to feed values to a
> > query. Perhaps the form has a timer ticking that performs some
> > process.
> Perhaps...
> > uh... I have no damned idea what else you might decide to do with a
> > form that is open but that a selected group or groups of users are not
>
> > allowed
> to
> > see.  I know that I personally use a hidden form to force a cleanup of
>
> > my framework when the database closes.  Since a form cannot close
> > without
> it's
> > OnClose firing, I use that to run a Terminate() function that closes
> > everything gracefully.  So not matter how the db closes, my term()
> function
> > runs.
>
> > I cannot allow the users to unhide that since it is a background
> processing
> > form and they have no business there.
>
> > In the end though, the answer is I don't know why any given developer
> > is going to want to open a form that users can't see, I simply know
> > that it happens and I need to provide the developer with a means of
> > enforcing this security.
>
> ---
>
> > 1. It escapes me why you would even want to manage an open, invisible
> form.
> > If the user can't view it, then by far the simplist thing to do is not
> open
> > it. Is there some other issue driving this need that you haven't
> elaborated
> > on?
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov 12 20:56:42 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:56:42 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3FB37F8A.11940.CC8868@localhost>

On 12 Nov 2003 at 19:59, John W. Colby wrote:

> I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
> security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
> workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.
> 
> Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
> 
> 1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
> down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
> 2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
> definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
> 3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
> need help / books to do it again.
> 4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
> off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
> done.  Books / help definitly needed.
> 5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
> it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
> 
> If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.
> 

2.5
I've actually spent more time cracking protected systems and 
rebuilding them without the built in Access security than I have 
implementing it.

I generally roll my own control systems.  MDEs and judicious use of 
the Username() API call to control form access and to enable/disable 
controls on open keeps all but the really determined under control.

 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Wed Nov 12 19:49:51 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:49:51 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F29088500@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Make me a 2.

Bond

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 2:00 p.m.
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> 
> 
> I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
> security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, 
> rather using
> workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.
> 
> Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
> 
> 1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily 
> lock a database
> down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
> 2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
> definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
> 3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying 
> project.  I would
> need help / books to do it again.
> 4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed 
> to shoot a toe
> off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could 
> get the job
> done.  Books / help definitly needed.
> 5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where 
> would I go to learn
> it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
> 
> If you would please just select a number and reply I would 
> appreciate it.
> 
> As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
> willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to 
> learn / do so I
> just never did it (for real).
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> 
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 12 21:54:48 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:54:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJCECOFFAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi John,
A really lackadaisical "4"
I don't just care for it. I roll my own.

If you're really interested in Access Security you might want to check out
Garry Robinson's new book about it:
http://www.apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=189

John B.



From tomk at multiline.com.au  Tue Nov 11 22:04:12 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:04:12 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <003501c3a8d2$0aeb09c0$0300a8c0@print>

I am a definate 5...

Although I have never had the need to use any security and have done no
study on it .... I generally (if any protection is needed at all) simply
disable controls except when the Db is on a particular users machine (call
that the administrator) where the controls will be enabled depending on the
computer name

REgards

Tom Keatley


From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 12 22:06:30 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:06:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
In-Reply-To: <011f01c3a983$8a8de1f0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMEPPEMAA.john@winhaven.net>

Rocky,
Sorry to say but I think you are trapped. You could email Ken Getz and he
would probably be able to give you the best answer.

Curious, are you abandoning because its not working good or just because you
don't need it anymore?

John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:15 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
>
>
> I originally created the forms on a machine whose screen res was
> set to 640
> x 480.
>
> But there's got to be a way to escape from this trap without
> re-creating the
> forms all over on the 600 x 800 machine.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:03 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
>
>
> > Rocky,
> >
> > The reason this is happening (I think) is that in order to use
> the old ADH
> > code (I used it myself) you had to design for the smallest resolution,
> i.e.
> > you manually edited the controls down to that size (or set it all up
> > actually using 640x480).  I know of nothing that will go in and resize
> > everything for you, though there may be tools like that.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:13 PM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I have an application which I developed many years ago on a
> machine with a
> > screen of resolution 640 x 480.  I used the ADH resizing code
> so the form
> > would fill the screen regardless of the target machine resolution.
> >
> > I don't use that resizing code in my apps anymore and I would like to
> > abandon that now in this app and go with a straight 800 x 600 which is
> what
> > my screen is set to.
> >
> > But the 640 x 480 resolution seems to be a part of the form somehow and
> each
> > of the controls as well because if I copy over the controls, they don't
> size
> > correctly on my 800 x 600 screen.  They appear smaller as they
> would when
> > you put a 640x480 form or control on an 800 x 600 screen.
> >
> > Plus any new forms I've added to this app recently original in 800 x 600
> and
> > that's fine.
> >
> > Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From tomk at multiline.com.au  Tue Nov 11 22:20:05 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:20:05 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<011f01c3a983$8a8de1f0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <004801c3a8d4$476bdc10$0300a8c0@print>

> > Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?
> >
> > MTIA,

I had a need recently to change screen resolution as  most of the forms were
designed in 1280 x 1152 and had to display at a fixed 1024x768 so I bought a
code module from

http://www.peterssoftware.com/ssfaq.htm

It works and re-sizes the forms ...is easy to install as you just change
OPENFORM  to I think SS_OPEN with Rich Fishers Find&REplace (or similar).
The problem I found with the A97 version of the module was that it has
trouble rendering the fonts correctly .... It is however still usable  ...I
was making the forms SMALLER in most cases and you will be making them
LARGER ...so your mileage may be different

Regards

Tom Keatley



From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 12 23:15:46 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:15:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
In-Reply-To: <004801c3a8d4$476bdc10$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEDBFFAA.john@winhaven.net>

I didn't know about that - did you use the staic resizing to do the deed?

There's a light security system there too, JC
:o)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tom Keatley
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 10:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> 
> 
> > > Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?
> > >
> > > MTIA,
> 
> I had a need recently to change screen resolution as  most of the 
> forms were
> designed in 1280 x 1152 and had to display at a fixed 1024x768 so 
> I bought a
> code module from
> 
> http://www.peterssoftware.com/ssfaq.htm
> 



From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 12 23:38:31 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:38:31 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEDBFFAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEAAENAA.john@winhaven.net>

that is supposed to be "Static" resizing 
:o|

> I didn't know about that - did you use the staic resizing to do the deed?
> 
> There's a light security system there too, JC
> :o)
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tom Keatley
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 10:20 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> > 
> > 
> > > > Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?
> > > >
> > > > MTIA,
> > 
> > I had a need recently to change screen resolution as  most of the 
> > forms were
> > designed in 1280 x 1152 and had to display at a fixed 1024x768 so 
> > I bought a
> > code module from
> > 
> > http://www.peterssoftware.com/ssfaq.htm
> > 
> 
> 
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> 
> 


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed Nov 12 23:51:40 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:51:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMEPPEMAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <017d01c3a9aa$35a5ab10$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Just don't need it.  And the resizing causes other problems.  How do I email
Ken Getz?

Thanks in advance, I'll be gone until Monday.

Regards,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:06 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms


> Rocky,
> Sorry to say but I think you are trapped. You could email Ken Getz and he
> would probably be able to give you the best answer.
>
> Curious, are you abandoning because its not working good or just because
you
> don't need it anymore?
>
> John B.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> > Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:15 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> >
> >
> > I originally created the forms on a machine whose screen res was
> > set to 640
> > x 480.
> >
> > But there's got to be a way to escape from this trap without
> > re-creating the
> > forms all over on the 600 x 800 machine.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:03 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> >
> >
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > The reason this is happening (I think) is that in order to use
> > the old ADH
> > > code (I used it myself) you had to design for the smallest resolution,
> > i.e.
> > > you manually edited the controls down to that size (or set it all up
> > > actually using 640x480).  I know of nothing that will go in and resize
> > > everything for you, though there may be tools like that.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:13 PM
> > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > > I have an application which I developed many years ago on a
> > machine with a
> > > screen of resolution 640 x 480.  I used the ADH resizing code
> > so the form
> > > would fill the screen regardless of the target machine resolution.
> > >
> > > I don't use that resizing code in my apps anymore and I would like to
> > > abandon that now in this app and go with a straight 800 x 600 which is
> > what
> > > my screen is set to.
> > >
> > > But the 640 x 480 resolution seems to be a part of the form somehow
and
> > each
> > > of the controls as well because if I copy over the controls, they
don't
> > size
> > > correctly on my 800 x 600 screen.  They appear smaller as they
> > would when
> > > you put a 640x480 form or control on an 800 x 600 screen.
> > >
> > > Plus any new forms I've added to this app recently original in 800 x
600
> > and
> > > that's fine.
> > >
> > > Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?
> > >
> > > MTIA,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Nov 13 00:09:01 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:09:01 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
In-Reply-To: <017d01c3a9aa$35a5ab10$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEAAENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Rocky,
kgetz at developershandbook.com

HTH
John B.
ZZZ time...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 11:52 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
>
>
> Just don't need it.  And the resizing causes other problems.  How
> do I email
> Ken Getz?
>
> Thanks in advance, I'll be gone until Monday.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:06 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
>
>
> > Rocky,
> > Sorry to say but I think you are trapped. You could email Ken
> Getz and he
> > would probably be able to give you the best answer.
> >
> > Curious, are you abandoning because its not working good or just because
> you
> > don't need it anymore?
> >
> > John B.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Rocky Smolin -
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:15 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> > >
> > >
> > > I originally created the forms on a machine whose screen res was
> > > set to 640
> > > x 480.
> > >
> > > But there's got to be a way to escape from this trap without
> > > re-creating the
> > > forms all over on the 600 x 800 machine.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:03 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> > >
> > >
> > > > Rocky,
> > > >
> > > > The reason this is happening (I think) is that in order to use
> > > the old ADH
> > > > code (I used it myself) you had to design for the smallest
> resolution,
> > > i.e.
> > > > you manually edited the controls down to that size (or set it all up
> > > > actually using 640x480).  I know of nothing that will go in
> and resize
> > > > everything for you, though there may be tools like that.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
> Smolin -
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:13 PM
> > > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear List:
> > > >
> > > > I have an application which I developed many years ago on a
> > > machine with a
> > > > screen of resolution 640 x 480.  I used the ADH resizing code
> > > so the form
> > > > would fill the screen regardless of the target machine resolution.
> > > >
> > > > I don't use that resizing code in my apps anymore and I
> would like to
> > > > abandon that now in this app and go with a straight 800 x
> 600 which is
> > > what
> > > > my screen is set to.
> > > >
> > > > But the 640 x 480 resolution seems to be a part of the form somehow
> and
> > > each
> > > > of the controls as well because if I copy over the controls, they
> don't
> > > size
> > > > correctly on my 800 x 600 screen.  They appear smaller as they
> > > would when
> > > > you put a 640x480 form or control on an 800 x 600 screen.
> > > >
> > > > Plus any new forms I've added to this app recently original in 800 x
> 600
> > > and
> > > > that's fine.
> > > >
> > > > Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?
> > > >
> > > > MTIA,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 13 02:54:26 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:54:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Array in array
Message-ID: <1997073320.20031113095426@cactus.dk>

Hi all

No I didn't know this is possible but it is.

ElementK tips:
http://offers.elementkjournals.com/redir3/l7AH_iGAB!http://www.elementkjournals.com/tips.asp

recently wrote about it.

Here's a sample:

<code>

Public Sub ArrayInArray()
  
  Dim asSub(1)  As String
  Dim avMain(1) As Variant
  
  asSub(0) = "Database"
  asSub(1) = "Access"
  avMain(0) = asSub
  asSub(0) = "Advisors"
  asSub(1) = "Developers"
  avMain(1) = asSub
  
  MsgBox avMain(0)(0) & " " & avMain(1)(0), , "ArrayInArray 0"
  MsgBox avMain(0)(1) & " " & avMain(1)(1), , "ArrayInArray 1"

End Sub

</code>

/gustav


From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu Nov 13 03:04:56 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:04:56 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C6740@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

3

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 13 November 2003 01:00
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Robert at servicexp.com  Wed Nov 12 19:36:29 2003
From: Robert at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:36:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <PBEDKHOENPLNGHCEPCDPGEJEDEAA.Robert@servicexp.com>

2 for me please....


Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


_______________________________________________
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Nov 13 03:17:39 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:17:39 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
In-Reply-To: <011f01c3a983$8a8de1f0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <000601c3a9c6$fc7b8cc0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Rocky
Is this any use to you? http://www.peterssoftware.com/ss2.htm

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: 13 November 2003 01:15
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> 
> 
> I originally created the forms on a machine whose screen res 
> was set to 640 x 480.
> 
> But there's got to be a way to escape from this trap without 
> re-creating the forms all over on the 600 x 800 machine.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:03 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> 
> 
> > Rocky,
> >
> > The reason this is happening (I think) is that in order to 
> use the old 
> > ADH code (I used it myself) you had to design for the smallest 
> > resolution,
> i.e.
> > you manually edited the controls down to that size (or set 
> it all up 
> > actually using 640x480).  I know of nothing that will go in 
> and resize 
> > everything for you, though there may be tools like that.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin 
> > - Beach Access Software
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:13 PM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I have an application which I developed many years ago on a machine 
> > with a screen of resolution 640 x 480.  I used the ADH 
> resizing code 
> > so the form would fill the screen regardless of the target machine 
> > resolution.
> >
> > I don't use that resizing code in my apps anymore and I 
> would like to 
> > abandon that now in this app and go with a straight 800 x 
> 600 which is
> what
> > my screen is set to.
> >
> > But the 640 x 480 resolution seems to be a part of the form somehow 
> > and
> each
> > of the controls as well because if I copy over the controls, they 
> > don't
> size
> > correctly on my 800 x 600 screen.  They appear smaller as 
> they would 
> > when you put a 640x480 form or control on an 800 x 600 screen.
> >
> > Plus any new forms I've added to this app recently original 
> in 800 x 
> > 600
> and
> > that's fine.
> >
> > Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?
> >
> > MTIA,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software 
> _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Nov 13 03:21:03 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:21:03 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A527@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <000c01c3a9c7$7621ab90$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Snap. Put me in Andrew's no 6 category. See, we even roll-our-own
categories.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Haslett, Andrew
> Sent: 13 November 2003 01:16
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> 
> 
> 6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I  
> Use MDE's and roll my own security depending on the 
> requirements of the client.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> 
> 
> I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' 
> built-in security. By security I do NOT mean the database 
> properties, rather using workgroups / users to secure forms, 
> tables, queries etc.
> 
> Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
> 
> 1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily 
> lock a database down so tight I can't even get back in.  No 
> help / books needed.
> 2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done 
> but it definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need 
> the help / books.
> 3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying 
> project.  I would need help / books to do it again.
> 4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed 
> to shoot a toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am 
> confident I could get the job done.  Books / help definitly needed.
> 5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where 
> would I go to learn it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
> 
> If you would please just select a number and reply I would 
> appreciate it.
> 
> As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has 
> ever been willing to pay for it and I have always had other 
> things to learn / do so I just never did it (for real).
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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> PLEASE READ ******************** 
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu Nov 13 03:27:06 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:27:06 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C6745@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

I guess I fit in this category as well as #3

:)

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 13 November 2003 09:21
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Snap. Put me in Andrew's no 6 category. See, we even roll-our-own
categories.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Haslett, Andrew
> Sent: 13 November 2003 01:16
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> 
> 
> 6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I
> Use MDE's and roll my own security depending on the 
> requirements of the client.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> 
> 
> I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access'
> built-in security. By security I do NOT mean the database 
> properties, rather using workgroups / users to secure forms, 
> tables, queries etc.
> 
> Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
> 
> 1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily
> lock a database down so tight I can't even get back in.  No 
> help / books needed.
> 2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done 
> but it definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need 
> the help / books.
> 3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying 
> project.  I would need help / books to do it again.
> 4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed 
> to shoot a toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am 
> confident I could get the job done.  Books / help definitly needed.
> 5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where 
> would I go to learn it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
> 
> If you would please just select a number and reply I would
> appreciate it.
> 
> As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has
> ever been willing to pay for it and I have always had other 
> things to learn / do so I just never did it (for real).
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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> PLEASE READ ******************** 
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Nov 13 03:32:16 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:32:16 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <22380264.1068715936355.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>

Is there a category for knowing that access has built in security, has tried to get it to work, has never got it to work, and has given up on it unless I get a brainwave and step-by-step idiots guide on it.
Paul Hartland



Message date : Nov 13 2003, 09:27 AM 
>From : Roz Clarke 
To : 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
Copy to : 
Subject : RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security 
I guess I fit in this category as well as #3 

:) 

Roz 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: 13 November 2003 09:21 
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security 


Snap. Put me in Andrew's no 6 category. See, we even roll-our-own 
categories. 

Andy Lacey 
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message----- 
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Haslett, Andrew 
> Sent: 13 November 2003 01:16 
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security 
> 
> 
> 6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I 
> Use MDE's and roll my own security depending on the 
> requirements of the client. 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM 
> To: AccessD 
> Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security 
> 
> 
> I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' 
> built-in security. By security I do NOT mean the database 
> properties, rather using workgroups / users to secure forms, 
> tables, queries etc. 
> 
> Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following: 
> 
> 1) I am an Access security guru. I can quickly and easily 
> lock a database down so tight I can't even get back in. No 
> help / books needed. 
> 2) I am fluent with Access security. I can get the job done 
> but it definitely takes a few hours. I probably won't need 
> the help / books. 
> 3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying 
> project. I would need help / books to do it again. 
> 4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed 
> to shoot a toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am 
> confident I could get the job done. Books / help definitly needed. 
> 5) Access has built in security? What is this and where 
> would I go to learn it? Why haven't I ever seen these books / help? 
> 
> If you would please just select a number and reply I would 
> appreciate it. 
> 
> As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4. No client has 
> ever been willing to pay for it and I have always had other 
> things to learn / do so I just never did it (for real). 
> 
> John W. Colby 
> www.colbyconsulting.com 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> AccessD mailing list 
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd 
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
> 
> IMPORTANT - 
> PLEASE READ ******************** 
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> contain information protected by law from disclosure. 
> If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender 
> immediately and delete this email from your system. 
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> email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. They 
> are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for 
> loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from 
> their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or 
> not. _______________________________________________ 
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From Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com  Thu Nov 13 03:35:19 2003
From: Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com (Pain, T. (Tim))
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:35:19 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <0BB2DFBAEF484F4AA077B46F1B165FE6AAD321@lbrn12.d20.intra>

Make me a 4, definitly need the books.

Tim 


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 13 November 2003 01:00
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather
using workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a
database down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books
needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
would need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the
job done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
learn it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate
it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do
so I just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From JOHNWARDBELL at aol.com  Thu Nov 13 03:49:55 2003
From: JOHNWARDBELL at aol.com (JOHNWARDBELL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:49:55 EST
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <3a.40e5eadb.2ce4adc3@aol.com>

John

No 4 .....just.


Wardb

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Nov 13 05:33:11 2003
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:33:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3FB36BF7.6000707@torchlake.com>

Hi John,

I'm a 3.  It was a tedious job for me, because I had to find my way 
through everything.  I probably didn't look in the right places for the 
help I needed - and I had a hard time understanding the help I did find.

Tina

John W. Colby wrote:

>I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
>security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
>workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.
>
>Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
>
>1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
>down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
>2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
>definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
>3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
>need help / books to do it again.
>4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
>off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
>done.  Books / help definitly needed.
>5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
>it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
>
>If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.
>
>As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
>willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
>just never did it (for real).
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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From djkr at msn.com  Thu Nov 13 06:25:57 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:25:57 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C6745@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <001301c3a9e1$4a1dab60$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

6 for me, too.
John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: 13 November 2003 09:27
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> 
> 
> I guess I fit in this category as well as #3
> 
> :)
> 
> Roz
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
> Sent: 13 November 2003 09:21
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> 
> 
> Snap. Put me in Andrew's no 6 category. See, we even 
> roll-our-own categories.
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Haslett, Andrew
> > Sent: 13 November 2003 01:16
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> > 
> > 
> > 6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I 
> Use MDE's 
> > and roll my own security depending on the requirements of 
> the client.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> > 
> > 
> > I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' 
> built-in 
> > security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather 
> > using workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.
> > 
> > Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the 
> following:
> > 
> > 1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a 
> > database down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books 
> > needed.
> > 2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done
> > but it definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need 
> > the help / books.
> > 3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying 
> > project.  I would need help / books to do it again.
> > 4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed 
> > to shoot a toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am 
> > confident I could get the job done.  Books / help definitly needed.
> > 5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where 
> > would I go to learn it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
> > 
> > If you would please just select a number and reply I would 
> appreciate 
> > it.
> > 
> > As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client 
> has ever been 
> > willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to 
> learn / do 
> > so I just never did it (for real).
> > 
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > 
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Nov 13 06:30:43 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:30:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DCE@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Kath, I totaly agree with you.

I believe I'm a 3, but I find Access security insuffcient and
unpractical to use so I stopped using it (for same reasons as you state
in point 2, I want to add that a office repair each time reset or
overwrites your MDW file).
Further more my clients are SME's and I develop taylor made applications
for them.
Belgian law (I believe it a European guideline) says that with Taylor
made software you are obligated to deliver the source code of your
application to the customer. So I don't see the point of protecting it
furthermore than wat you stipulate in point 1 and 3.
Only thing that a non-profesional can not change is the
splash/info/license form with wy name, logo etc on it. I would like to
protect that better, but that the only thing.


Erwin



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Several reasons:

1. Most of my clients don't need that level of security and protect
their data in other ways,

2. I have worked on several sites where the combination of mdb's secured
with multiple mdw's was a nightmare for the same people who set them up
(ie in house staff), several cases of 'lost' mdw's and I find that too
often the original system mdw's are modified (I can remember posting
problems with Access security to the list which all ended up being a
case of the client's original system.mdw having been
modified....headaches) 

3. When clients ask me (all the time) to set up security, it has mostly
been because they want to make some aspects of the system visible / not
visible to groups of users, or certain functions available / not
available to groups of users. So a homegrown system which tracks a user
group and user name has been enough for me combined with setting my
system properties before delivering the mde. It is made clear to the
client that this level of security will never prevent them from a
professional who is determined to hack in.

I'm not expert on this and I look forward to reading what the "1's"
have to say...........so many posts have been made to the list on
security that it's obviously an issue for most developers at some stage
or another.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John W. Colby 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:01 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


  Ahh.. understood.

  And why is it your choice to not use Access Security? (yes, that is a
  leading question ;-)

  John W. Colby
  www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath
Pelletti
  Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:51 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


  No - I have (years ago) trained advanced users in Access security over
and
  over again, so the basics had to become second knowledge to me.

  I was asked by a client when writing a large-ish system to
specifically use
  security so I did that. I have helped clients who have secured
databases
  with setting up shortcuts to specifically call their mdw files, as
they
  often have several mdb's secured and several mdw's. I have helped
clients
  who have corrupted their system mdw's restore them back etc etc.

  So it may take me some basic revision now that I do not use it (my
choice
  and totally my preference) but not much.

  Kath
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: John W. Colby
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:33 PM
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


    Kath,

    Pardon me if I seem incredulous but you are saying that you have
used
  Access
    Security once, three years ago, but could secure a database in a few
hours
    without referencing any books or help?  Is this the same security I
am
    looking at?  Am I making it harder than it is?

    John W. Colby
    www.colbyconsulting.com

    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Kath
Pelletti
    Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:26 PM
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


    Yeah - I would be a 2, but unless the client specifically insists on
that
    form of security (it did happen once but 3 years ago) I use my own
login /
    security procedure.

    Kath
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Haslett, Andrew
      To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
      Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:15 PM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


      6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I  Use
MDE's
  and
      roll my own security depending on the requirements of the client.

      -----Original Message-----
      From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
      Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM
      To: AccessD
      Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


      I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access'
built-in
      security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties,
rather
  using
      workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

      Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the
following:

      1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a
  database
      down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
      2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but
it
      definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help /
books.
      3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying
project.  I
    would
      need help / books to do it again.
      4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to
shoot a
    toe
      off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get
the job
      done.  Books / help definitly needed.
      5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I
go to
    learn
      it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

      If you would please just select a number and reply I would
appreciate
  it.

      As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever
been
      willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn
/ do
  so
    I
      just never did it (for real).

      John W. Colby
      www.colbyconsulting.com




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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 13 06:40:10 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:40:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Error 3356
Message-ID: <20031113064010.1569556867.serbach@new.rr.com>

Dear Group,

One of my applications is causing a fairly consistent error:

"You attempted to open a database that is already opened exclusively by user 'Admin' on machine XXXX. Try again when the database is available."

The user on machine XXXX doesn't open the database exclusively. I've checked her Access settings under Tools | Options | Advanced. The Default Open Mode is Shared, not Exclusive.

Could you help me with this one?

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 13 06:45:57 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:45:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKIEIMHNAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

John,

  I rate a solid 2, almost straying into 1 as far as "no help / books
needed".  But as far as locking it so tight that even I can't get into it,
that's not possible as I know how to break it and I know it's not worth
bothering with it in the first place.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu Nov 13 06:50:07 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:50:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Error 3356
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C936@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Is it an Access 97 database & they are opening it in A2K? I had this problem
all the time because I used 97 & when I would make changes & compile the
database, the users of 2K would get that message. They should only get the
message once, the next time they open it they won't get that message (unless
you go in & compile, etc again).

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Error 3356


Dear Group,

One of my applications is causing a fairly consistent error:

"You attempted to open a database that is already opened exclusively by user
'Admin' on machine XXXX. Try again when the database is available."

The user on machine XXXX doesn't open the database exclusively. I've checked
her Access settings under Tools | Options | Advanced. The Default Open Mode
is Shared, not Exclusive.

Could you help me with this one?

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 13 06:56:08 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:56:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DCE@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DCE@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <621575433.20031113135608@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

You can supply your app with your own mdw, say erwin.mdw. Office won't
overwrite that.
For that kind of apps we create shortcuts (menu entries) which makes
it easy for the user to open the app with the needed command line.

/gustav

> .. I want to add that a office repair each time reset or overwrites
> your MDW file). 


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Nov 13 07:19:55 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 05:19:55 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
References: <000601c3a9c6$fc7b8cc0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <003301c3a9e8$d493aae0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

It looks like the same functionality as I have now with the ADH resizing
code - dynamic control resizing.

Is there something more to it?  I'd like to get rid of the resizing
altogether.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:17 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms


> Rocky
> Is this any use to you? http://www.peterssoftware.com/ss2.htm
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > Sent: 13 November 2003 01:15
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> >
> >
> > I originally created the forms on a machine whose screen res
> > was set to 640 x 480.
> >
> > But there's got to be a way to escape from this trap without
> > re-creating the forms all over on the 600 x 800 machine.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:03 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> >
> >
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > The reason this is happening (I think) is that in order to
> > use the old
> > > ADH code (I used it myself) you had to design for the smallest
> > > resolution,
> > i.e.
> > > you manually edited the controls down to that size (or set
> > it all up
> > > actually using 640x480).  I know of nothing that will go in
> > and resize
> > > everything for you, though there may be tools like that.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > Rocky Smolin
> > > - Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:13 PM
> > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > > I have an application which I developed many years ago on a machine
> > > with a screen of resolution 640 x 480.  I used the ADH
> > resizing code
> > > so the form would fill the screen regardless of the target machine
> > > resolution.
> > >
> > > I don't use that resizing code in my apps anymore and I
> > would like to
> > > abandon that now in this app and go with a straight 800 x
> > 600 which is
> > what
> > > my screen is set to.
> > >
> > > But the 640 x 480 resolution seems to be a part of the form somehow
> > > and
> > each
> > > of the controls as well because if I copy over the controls, they
> > > don't
> > size
> > > correctly on my 800 x 600 screen.  They appear smaller as
> > they would
> > > when you put a 640x480 form or control on an 800 x 600 screen.
> > >
> > > Plus any new forms I've added to this app recently original
> > in 800 x
> > > 600
> > and
> > > that's fine.
> > >
> > > Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?
> > >
> > > MTIA,
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Nov 13 07:33:37 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:33:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F87F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Count me a 4.2 (played with it briefly but know nothing about it)

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From JHewson at karta.com  Thu Nov 13 07:33:30 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:33:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <4AE733BBEEE72647A9F950F7275F262E112577@nt04.karta.com>

I'm a 4.  I tried to set security once.
Quit after an hour or so.  The help obfuscated the entire issue and the
Books didn't help either...
Actually... maybe a 4.5...

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From CSPELL at jhuccp.org  Thu Nov 13 07:40:09 2003
From: CSPELL at jhuccp.org (CYNTHIA SPELL)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:40:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <sfb34375.036@ccp2.jhuccp.org>

I guess I'm about a 3.5.  I had it ready to go at one point, but our InfoSys group decided not to let us roll it out - had some concerns over loss of the workgroup file or something....

Cindy



>>> Jdemarco at hshhp.org 11/13/03 08:33AM >>>
Count me a 4.2 (played with it briefly but know nothing about it)

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com 


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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Thu Nov 13 07:46:46 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:46:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB920@nnse14.nns.com>

4...But, without all the confidence;)

Since air-tight security has not been the highest priority in my projects,
I'm really more of a lackadaisical "6" to be honest.  



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Nov 13 07:51:10 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 05:51:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <008301c3a9ed$3254fe00$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

4.5

Had to fool with it once on a legacy app and got around it.  But it was a
big PITA.

I generally roll my own by having the user log in with a password.  They get
one of three levels of access to the whole system - 1) read only, 2)
read/write, 3) admin.  I put their access level in a global variable.  Each
form has to check the access level then to see if they are allowed to do a
certain function.  So far, the three levels have been adequate and no one
except for one client has wanted function of field level control.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:59 PM
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
> security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
> workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.
>
> Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
>
> 1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
> down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
> 2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
> definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
> 3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
would
> need help / books to do it again.
> 4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
toe
> off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
> done.  Books / help definitly needed.
> 5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
learn
> it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
>
> If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.
>
> As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
> willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so
I
> just never did it (for real).
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From jbhuffman at mdh.org  Thu Nov 13 07:51:40 2003
From: jbhuffman at mdh.org (Huffman, Jarad B.)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:51:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48026B1F74@NEWMAN_EXC>

I'd say I'm a 2-3.  My company has used Access Security since before I came
to work here 4 years ago.  However, I don't like the lack of control.  I
like to roll my own security setup.

Jarad Huffman

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 13 07:55:54 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:55:54 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <008301c3a9ed$3254fe00$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
 <008301c3a9ed$3254fe00$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <5625161300.20031113145554@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

So why is JC's world so much different from yours and mine??

/gustav


> Had to fool with it once on a legacy app and got around it.  But it was a
> big PITA.

> I generally roll my own by having the user log in with a password.  They get
> one of three levels of access to the whole system - 1) read only, 2)
> read/write, 3) admin.  I put their access level in a global variable.  Each
> form has to check the access level then to see if they are allowed to do a
> certain function.  So far, the three levels have been adequate and no one
> except for one client has wanted function of field level control.


From Sloann at cdnet.cod.edu  Thu Nov 13 07:59:05 2003
From: Sloann at cdnet.cod.edu (Sloan, Ned)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:59:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <5F72A76512A52A4EA1785F62B70D2956039E884F@mail.cod.edu>

I am rusty, but rate myself between a 2 and a 3.  We have implemented
a number of applications over the years at our institution using it 
and it has its good and its bad points, and it has limitations.    

Ned Sloan
Systems Analyst, Administrative Systems
Information Technology
College Of DuPage
425 Fawell Blvd.
Glen Ellyn, Il. 60137
(630) 942-2627
sloann at cdnet.cod.edu



-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 13 08:00:38 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:00:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <BAY2-F46uXZ2y2Fko8C0000290b@hotmail.com>

4.5  I know its there but haven't had to use it.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com

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From weeden1949 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 13 08:04:36 2003
From: weeden1949 at hotmail.com (Greg Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:04:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <BAY8-DAV10py9tMTF4i00000941@hotmail.com>

John:

I'm probably a hefty 2.  I doubt I'd need to have any books...We have one
large County (Recorder's Office) client that has the full Access security
invoked (I've done others, but not on this scale).  It's been years in the
making (was just installed about a year and a half ago and is still
working...) and it took a lot of time to get it all tweaked properly (not
Access security issues but the Client kept changing the requirements....:o).
And only ONCE did we get it locked down so well neither of us (two
programmers) could get into it.  Taa daa!  Praise the Lord for BACKUP
copies.

The security on this system works well, but one caveat, and it's probably
true with ANY type of global security, is that when you need to make
changes, additions, etc., you have to make sure that whatever it is you are
changing or adding, security must be a major part of the modification.
Since I deal with questions from this client weekly, if not daily, I get to
keep up on all their security as well...!!!

Greg Smith
weeden1949 at hotmail.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:59 PM
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
> security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
> workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.
>
> Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
>
> 1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
> down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
> 2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
> definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
> 3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
would
> need help / books to do it again.
> 4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
toe
> off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
> done.  Books / help definitly needed.
> 5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
learn
> it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
>
> If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.
>
> As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
> willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so
I
> just never did it (for real).
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Nov 13 08:08:57 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:08:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DCF@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I know...I know...
At least I supose you mean that you can give msaccess.exe an /wrkgrp
command line option.
Or use the /profile and a profile file.

I only use MDW for developing purposes indside the office and just want
it always to be my company.mdw group...

Specifying company.mdw for default gets reset to system.mdw in the user
profile folder.... Or is it in the program Files/common folder... ?

Don't bother, I just overcopy all system.mdw with company.mdw...


Erwin

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Hi Erwin

You can supply your app with your own mdw, say erwin.mdw. Office won't
overwrite that. For that kind of apps we create shortcuts (menu entries)
which makes it easy for the user to open the app with the needed command
line.

/gustav

> .. I want to add that a office repair each time reset or overwrites 
> your MDW file).

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From DElam at jenkens.com  Thu Nov 13 08:08:20 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:08:20 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C6292CC@natexch.jenkens.com>

2  

Have had a whole series of HR databases with sensitive data that needs
locked tight.  It takes me a while and I avoid it if I can.  Secured
databases are a PITA.  I inherited a database locked so tight it was darn
near impenetrable.  All of this for info that was common knowledge in the
workplace and not all that sensitive outside it.  The thing is nearly
impossible to modify or troubleshoot and I would love to give the guy that
wrote this a piece of my mind.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 13 November 2003 01:00
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
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From ranthony at wrsystems.com  Thu Nov 13 08:19:19 2003
From: ranthony at wrsystems.com (Randall Anthony)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:19:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <5F21A4E8B8DD734992EF9E70AC9D30641288B7@mail2.wrsystems.com>

Same here, a strong 3 to a weak 2.  I've got two apps with tight security
and 3 others without/or use SQL Server for security.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sloan, Ned [mailto:Sloann at cdnet.cod.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security

I am rusty, but rate myself between a 2 and a 3.  We have implemented
a number of applications over the years at our institution using it 
and it has its good and its bad points, and it has limitations.    

Ned Sloan
Systems Analyst, Administrative Systems
Information Technology
College Of DuPage
425 Fawell Blvd.
Glen Ellyn, Il. 60137
(630) 942-2627
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-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 13 08:20:38 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:20:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DCF@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DCF@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <15826645003.20031113152038@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

In my opinion it is not a good idea to have a special mdw assigned as
the default. I have a shortcut for such an Access with the wkrgrp
switch opening a secured database.

/gustav


> I know...I know...
> At least I supose you mean that you can give msaccess.exe an /wrkgrp
> command line option.
> Or use the /profile and a profile file.

> I only use MDW for developing purposes indside the office and just want
> it always to be my company.mdw group...

> Specifying company.mdw for default gets reset to system.mdw in the user
> profile folder.... Or is it in the program Files/common folder... ?

> Don't bother, I just overcopy all system.mdw with company.mdw...


> Erwin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:56 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> Hi Erwin

> You can supply your app with your own mdw, say erwin.mdw. Office won't
> overwrite that. For that kind of apps we create shortcuts (menu entries)
> which makes it easy for the user to open the app with the needed command
> line.

> /gustav

>> .. I want to add that a office repair each time reset or overwrites 
>> your MDW file).


From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 13 08:34:34 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:34:34 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Error 3356
Message-ID: <20031113083434.1892175602.serbach@new.rr.com>

Virginia,

>> Is it an Access 97 database & they are opening it in A2K? <<

No, this app was developed from the get-go in Access 2000. You've given me an idea, though. I'm using a series of routines developed by a fellow in Chile to update the application's front end on each user's workstation. I've used the code successfully in Access 97 apps. This is the only time I've used it in an Access 2K application. My client has got a knowledgable user on staff that makes updates to reports, queries and such and knows how to make an updated version for distribution on the LAN. Hmmm, I wonder if they only see this message when that gal has updated the app?

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 13 08:37:22 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:37:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <20031113083722.1712100296.serbach@new.rr.com>

Jim,

>> But as far as locking it so tight that even I can't get into it,
that's not possible as I know how to break it and I know it's not worth
bothering with it in the first place. <<

Have you demonstrated to clients how to break the security? I wonder if that might be an effective argument for implementing Access security for one of my clients who's been curious about it. I, as a 4.5 security user, am not real excited about implementing Access security.

What would you show a client who had a bug up his rear about Access "security?"

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Nov 13 08:32:27 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:32:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<011f01c3a983$8a8de1f0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<004801c3a8d4$476bdc10$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <009901c3a9f2$f67f1810$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Tom:

This seems to be a better solution than the ADH code but I'm trying to get
rid of dynamic resizing altogether.  Any ideas on that?

Regards,

Rocky

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms


> > > Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?
> > >
> > > MTIA,
>
> I had a need recently to change screen resolution as  most of the forms
were
> designed in 1280 x 1152 and had to display at a fixed 1024x768 so I bought
a
> code module from
>
> http://www.peterssoftware.com/ssfaq.htm
>
> It works and re-sizes the forms ...is easy to install as you just change
> OPENFORM  to I think SS_OPEN with Rich Fishers Find&REplace (or similar).
> The problem I found with the A97 version of the module was that it has
> trouble rendering the fonts correctly .... It is however still usable
...I
> was making the forms SMALLER in most cases and you will be making them
> LARGER ...so your mileage may be different
>
> Regards
>
> Tom Keatley
>
>
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Nov 13 08:40:22 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:40:22 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DD0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I believe I'm not with with you....

First, to set thing strait. It's only in our office for develepmont I'm
speaking.

Second.
You mean you have a shorcut that starts msaccess.exe with /workgroup
xxx?
Problem with that is that you need a hard path to msaccess.exe and hard
paths is something I try to avoid.
I always use roaming profiles and hard paths can problematic.
I supose solutions are out there, but I already played alot with them
and they are often OS dependent.

You know, Gustav, It's not that a big deal...
It's rarely I do a repair...

And I don't use workgroups anymore at customer sites.
I use the network user name and match them with the users in the
database (user management based on tables/forms).
If a network user is unkown in the database it exits instantly (after a
msgbox).


Erwin

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Hi Erwin

In my opinion it is not a good idea to have a special mdw assigned as
the default. I have a shortcut for such an Access with the wkrgrp switch
opening a secured database.

/gustav


> I know...I know...
> At least I supose you mean that you can give msaccess.exe an /wrkgrp 
> command line option. Or use the /profile and a profile file.

> I only use MDW for developing purposes indside the office and just 
> want it always to be my company.mdw group...

> Specifying company.mdw for default gets reset to system.mdw in the 
> user profile folder.... Or is it in the program Files/common folder...

> ?

> Don't bother, I just overcopy all system.mdw with company.mdw...


> Erwin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:56 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> Hi Erwin

> You can supply your app with your own mdw, say erwin.mdw. Office won't

> overwrite that. For that kind of apps we create shortcuts (menu 
> entries) which makes it easy for the user to open the app with the 
> needed command line.

> /gustav

>> .. I want to add that a office repair each time reset or overwrites
>> your MDW file).

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Nov 13 08:40:43 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:40:43 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<008301c3a9ed$3254fe00$6501a8c0@HAL9002> <5625161300.20031113145554@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00a501c3a9f4$1e5e8090$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Hahahahahahahahahah....sorry.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> Hi Rocky
>
> So why is JC's world so much different from yours and mine??
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Had to fool with it once on a legacy app and got around it.  But it was
a
> > big PITA.
>
> > I generally roll my own by having the user log in with a password.  They
get
> > one of three levels of access to the whole system - 1) read only, 2)
> > read/write, 3) admin.  I put their access level in a global variable.
Each
> > form has to check the access level then to see if they are allowed to do
a
> > certain function.  So far, the three levels have been adequate and no
one
> > except for one client has wanted function of field level control.
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Nov 13 08:44:46 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:44:46 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
In-Reply-To: <003301c3a9e8$d493aae0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <005c01c3a9f4$aeb30cb0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Rocky
I had something similar occur and I adapted the ADH code to do the resizing
of evey control, then passed through the forms collection, calling it to do
each form then saving it. I've been looking for the code and can't seem to
find it, but essentially that's what it did:
-loop through the forms collection
	-open each form
	-apply the resizing
	-save and close the form

I had to fiddle with the resizing ratios but once I got it working on one
form it did the trick.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 




> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: 13 November 2003 13:20
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> 
> 
> It looks like the same functionality as I have now with the 
> ADH resizing code - dynamic control resizing.
> 
> Is there something more to it?  I'd like to get rid of the 
> resizing altogether.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:17 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> 
> 
> > Rocky
> > Is this any use to you? http://www.peterssoftware.com/ss2.htm
> >
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> > > Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: 13 November 2003 01:15
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> > >
> > >
> > > I originally created the forms on a machine whose screen 
> res was set 
> > > to 640 x 480.
> > >
> > > But there's got to be a way to escape from this trap without 
> > > re-creating the forms all over on the 600 x 800 machine.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:03 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> > >
> > >
> > > > Rocky,
> > > >
> > > > The reason this is happening (I think) is that in order to
> > > use the old
> > > > ADH code (I used it myself) you had to design for the smallest 
> > > > resolution,
> > > i.e.
> > > > you manually edited the controls down to that size (or set
> > > it all up
> > > > actually using 640x480).  I know of nothing that will go in
> > > and resize
> > > > everything for you, though there may be tools like that.
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > - Beach Access Software
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:13 PM
> > > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear List:
> > > >
> > > > I have an application which I developed many years ago on a 
> > > > machine with a screen of resolution 640 x 480.  I used the ADH
> > > resizing code
> > > > so the form would fill the screen regardless of the 
> target machine 
> > > > resolution.
> > > >
> > > > I don't use that resizing code in my apps anymore and I
> > > would like to
> > > > abandon that now in this app and go with a straight 800 x
> > > 600 which is
> > > what
> > > > my screen is set to.
> > > >
> > > > But the 640 x 480 resolution seems to be a part of the form 
> > > > somehow and
> > > each
> > > > of the controls as well because if I copy over the 
> controls, they 
> > > > don't
> > > size
> > > > correctly on my 800 x 600 screen.  They appear smaller as
> > > they would
> > > > when you put a 640x480 form or control on an 800 x 600 screen.
> > > >
> > > > Plus any new forms I've added to this app recently original
> > > in 800 x
> > > > 600
> > > and
> > > > that's fine.
> > > >
> > > > Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?
> > > >
> > > > MTIA,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
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> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> > > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Nov 13 08:59:26 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:59:26 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
References: <005c01c3a9f4$aeb30cb0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <00c101c3a9f6$bbd281d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Andy:

I'll give that a try.  Probably just crib the ADH code and modify.  I'll be
away 'til Sunday but I'll give it a whirl next week and let you know.

Best,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:44 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms


> Rocky
> I had something similar occur and I adapted the ADH code to do the
resizing
> of evey control, then passed through the forms collection, calling it to
do
> each form then saving it. I've been looking for the code and can't seem to
> find it, but essentially that's what it did:
> -loop through the forms collection
> -open each form
> -apply the resizing
> -save and close the form
>
> I had to fiddle with the resizing ratios but once I got it working on one
> form it did the trick.
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > Sent: 13 November 2003 13:20
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> >
> >
> > It looks like the same functionality as I have now with the
> > ADH resizing code - dynamic control resizing.
> >
> > Is there something more to it?  I'd like to get rid of the
> > resizing altogether.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:17 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> >
> >
> > > Rocky
> > > Is this any use to you? http://www.peterssoftware.com/ss2.htm
> > >
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
> > > > Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > > Sent: 13 November 2003 01:15
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I originally created the forms on a machine whose screen
> > res was set
> > > > to 640 x 480.
> > > >
> > > > But there's got to be a way to escape from this trap without
> > > > re-creating the forms all over on the 600 x 800 machine.
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:03 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Rocky,
> > > > >
> > > > > The reason this is happening (I think) is that in order to
> > > > use the old
> > > > > ADH code (I used it myself) you had to design for the smallest
> > > > > resolution,
> > > > i.e.
> > > > > you manually edited the controls down to that size (or set
> > > > it all up
> > > > > actually using 640x480).  I know of nothing that will go in
> > > > and resize
> > > > > everything for you, though there may be tools like that.
> > > > >
> > > > > John W. Colby
> > > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > > - Beach Access Software
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:13 PM
> > > > > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear List:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have an application which I developed many years ago on a
> > > > > machine with a screen of resolution 640 x 480.  I used the ADH
> > > > resizing code
> > > > > so the form would fill the screen regardless of the
> > target machine
> > > > > resolution.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't use that resizing code in my apps anymore and I
> > > > would like to
> > > > > abandon that now in this app and go with a straight 800 x
> > > > 600 which is
> > > > what
> > > > > my screen is set to.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the 640 x 480 resolution seems to be a part of the form
> > > > > somehow and
> > > > each
> > > > > of the controls as well because if I copy over the
> > controls, they
> > > > > don't
> > > > size
> > > > > correctly on my 800 x 600 screen.  They appear smaller as
> > > > they would
> > > > > when you put a 640x480 form or control on an 800 x 600 screen.
> > > > >
> > > > > Plus any new forms I've added to this app recently original
> > > > in 800 x
> > > > > 600
> > > > and
> > > > > that's fine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there a simple way to make these old forms all 800x600?
> > > > >
> > > > > MTIA,
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > > Beach Access Software
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 13 09:00:57 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:00:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DD0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DD0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <19429063901.20031113160057@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

> I believe I'm not with with you....

> First, to set thing strait. It's only in our office for develepmont I'm
> speaking.

Yes.

> Second.
> You mean you have a shorcut that starts msaccess.exe with /workgroup
> xxx?

Yes. As I have one for starting a decompile.

> Problem with that is that you need a hard path to msaccess.exe and hard
> paths is something I try to avoid.

No big problem here. All Access versions have remained where they were
installed - four of them for 38 months. I see no reason to move them
around.

> I always use roaming profiles and hard paths can problematic.
> I supose solutions are out there, but I already played alot with them
> and they are often OS dependent.

That's a difference. I live in a Novell environment.

> You know, Gustav, It's not that a big deal...
> It's rarely I do a repair...

I know. But you mentioned it as it could cause problems to run an
Office repair and it really shouldn't be (regarding this topic).

> And I don't use workgroups anymore at customer sites.
> I use the network user name and match them with the users in the
> database (user management based on tables/forms).
> If a network user is unkown in the database it exits instantly (after a
> msgbox).

I like that approach too. Also - as few clients have Single-Sign-On
implemented - it's a good service to the user that the app knows who
he/she is and all that is needed is nothing (in your case) or the
password only (in our case).

/gustav


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:21 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> Hi Erwin

> In my opinion it is not a good idea to have a special mdw assigned as
> the default. I have a shortcut for such an Access with the wkrgrp switch
> opening a secured database.

> /gustav


>> I know...I know...
>> At least I supose you mean that you can give msaccess.exe an /wrkgrp 
>> command line option. Or use the /profile and a profile file.

>> I only use MDW for developing purposes indside the office and just 
>> want it always to be my company.mdw group...

>> Specifying company.mdw for default gets reset to system.mdw in the 
>> user profile folder.... Or is it in the program Files/common folder...

>> ?

>> Don't bother, I just overcopy all system.mdw with company.mdw...


>> Erwin

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
>> Brock
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:56 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


>> Hi Erwin

>> You can supply your app with your own mdw, say erwin.mdw. Office won't

>> overwrite that. For that kind of apps we create shortcuts (menu 
>> entries) which makes it easy for the user to open the app with the 
>> needed command line.

>> /gustav

>>> .. I want to add that a office repair each time reset or overwrites
>>> your MDW file).


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu Nov 13 09:03:19 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:03:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<008301c3a9ed$3254fe00$6501a8c0@HAL9002> <5625161300.20031113145554@cactus.dk>
	<00a501c3a9f4$1e5e8090$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <00c901c3a9f7$46fb0ca0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

But seriously there are some apps, like the HR apps (someone, I forget who,
wrote in about) where you want it real secure.

But even in that case, passwording the back end and maybe encrypting it,
with some additional restrictions in the front end like I use and then
making an mde would seem to do the trick without having to get mixed up in
all that mdw stuff.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> Hahahahahahahahahah....sorry.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> > Hi Rocky
> >
> > So why is JC's world so much different from yours and mine??
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > > Had to fool with it once on a legacy app and got around it.  But it
was
> a
> > > big PITA.
> >
> > > I generally roll my own by having the user log in with a password.
They
> get
> > > one of three levels of access to the whole system - 1) read only, 2)
> > > read/write, 3) admin.  I put their access level in a global variable.
> Each
> > > form has to check the access level then to see if they are allowed to
do
> a
> > > certain function.  So far, the three levels have been adequate and no
> one
> > > except for one client has wanted function of field level control.
> >
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Nov 13 09:14:49 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:14:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO
In-Reply-To: <005c01c3a9f4$aeb30cb0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
References: <003301c3a9e8$d493aae0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
        <005c01c3a9f4$aeb30cb0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <20882.12.3.132.98.1068736489.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

hey group
Can I use string name in insert function ?
strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (strLine,rs(1),rs(2))"

it gives me an error message
...

Private Sub Command0_Click()
MsgBox ("hey")
Dim strLine As String
Dim strSQL1 As String
Dim strSQL2 As String
Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim i As Integer
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
Set db = CurrentDb

strSQL1 = "Select * From New"
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL1)


  Do Until rs.EOF
strLine = rs("FullName")
MsgBox strLine
i = InStr(strLine, " ")
If i <> 0 Then
    strLine = Left(strLine, i)
End If

rs(0) = strLine

 ' strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (strLine,rs(1),rs(2))"
  strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (rs(0),rs(1),rs(2))"
Debug.Print strSQL2

    CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL2)
    rs.MoveNext
  Loop

   MsgBox ("end")
End Sub



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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Nov 13 09:19:11 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:19:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F882@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Sure just change to read:
strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1) & ", " & rs(2)& ")"

HTH

Jim DeMarco
-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO


hey group
Can I use string name in insert function ?
strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (strLine,rs(1),rs(2))"

it gives me an error message
...

Private Sub Command0_Click()
MsgBox ("hey")
Dim strLine As String
Dim strSQL1 As String
Dim strSQL2 As String
Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim i As Integer
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
Set db = CurrentDb

strSQL1 = "Select * From New"
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL1)


  Do Until rs.EOF
strLine = rs("FullName")
MsgBox strLine
i = InStr(strLine, " ")
If i <> 0 Then
    strLine = Left(strLine, i)
End If

rs(0) = strLine

 ' strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (strLine,rs(1),rs(2))"
  strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (rs(0),rs(1),rs(2))"
Debug.Print strSQL2

    CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL2)
    rs.MoveNext
  Loop

   MsgBox ("end")
End Sub



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From askolits at ot.com  Thu Nov 13 09:24:15 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:24:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <00c901c3a9f7$46fb0ca0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFOEAADIAA.askolits@ot.com>

Jon,

6 for me.

John Skolits



From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu Nov 13 09:26:17 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:26:17 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO
Message-ID: <10554536.1068737177442.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>

Just quickly off the tope of my head should the line
strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (rs(0),rs(1),rs(2))"
read                                                                                                                          strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (rs.fields(0),rs.fields(1),rs.fields(2))"

Paul Hartland



Message date : Nov 13 2003, 03:15 PM 
>From : Oleg_123 at xuppa.com 
To : accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Copy to : 
Subject : [AccessD] inserting in DAO 
hey group 
Can I use string name in insert function ? 
strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (strLine,rs(1),rs(2))" 

it gives me an error message 
... 

Private Sub Command0_Click() 
MsgBox ("hey") 
Dim strLine As String 
Dim strSQL1 As String 
Dim strSQL2 As String 
Dim db As DAO.Database 
Dim i As Integer 
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset 
Set db = CurrentDb 

strSQL1 = "Select * From New" 
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL1) 


Do Until rs.EOF 
strLine = rs("FullName") 
MsgBox strLine 
i = InStr(strLine, " ") 
If i <> 0 Then 
strLine = Left(strLine, i) 
End If 

rs(0) = strLine 

' strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (strLine,rs(1),rs(2))" 
strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (rs(0),rs(1),rs(2))" 
Debug.Print strSQL2 

CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL2) 
rs.MoveNext 
Loop 

MsgBox ("end") 
End Sub 



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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Nov 13 09:38:03 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:38:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F882@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F882@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <28674.12.3.132.98.1068737883.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

great, thank you :--)

> Sure just change to read:
> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1) &
> ", " & rs(2)& ")"
>
> HTH
>
> Jim DeMarco
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:15 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO
>
>
> hey group
> Can I use string name in insert function ?
> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (strLine,rs(1),rs(2))"
>
> it gives me an error message
> ...
>
> Private Sub Command0_Click()
> MsgBox ("hey")
> Dim strLine As String
> Dim strSQL1 As String
> Dim strSQL2 As String
> Dim db As DAO.Database
> Dim i As Integer
> Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
> Set db = CurrentDb
>
> strSQL1 = "Select * From New"
> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL1)
>
>
>   Do Until rs.EOF
> strLine = rs("FullName")
> MsgBox strLine
> i = InStr(strLine, " ")
> If i <> 0 Then
>     strLine = Left(strLine, i)
> End If
>
> rs(0) = strLine
>
>  ' strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (strLine,rs(1),rs(2))"
>   strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (rs(0),rs(1),rs(2))"
> Debug.Print strSQL2
>
>     CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL2)
>     rs.MoveNext
>   Loop
>
>    MsgBox ("end")
> End Sub
>
>
>
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Thu Nov 13 09:53:18 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:53:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000201c3a9fe$b7df2df0$6401a8c0@default>

I'm in the 3 category now.
Use it or lose it.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:59 PM
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
> security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
> workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.
>
> Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
>
> 1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
> down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
> 2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
> definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
> 3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
would
> need help / books to do it again.
> 4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
toe
> off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
> done.  Books / help definitly needed.
> 5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
learn
> it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
>
> If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.
>
> As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
> willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so
I
> just never did it (for real).
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From rjhjr at cox.net  Thu Nov 13 09:55:52 2003
From: rjhjr at cox.net (Bob Hall)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:55:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20031113155551.GB58248@kongemord.krig.net>

3

I was once a 1, and could write code off the top of my head that would 
automate any aspect of Access security, but this is not terribly useful 
information, and I've forgotten a lot of it. Given that you can buy 
shareware apps that claim to be able to pull the user and group passwords 
out of a secure database, even 3 probably represents a lot of useless 
information.

Bob Hall

From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Nov 13 09:59:48 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:59:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
In-Reply-To: <28674.12.3.132.98.1068737883.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F882@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
        <28674.12.3.132.98.1068737883.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <36753.12.3.132.98.1068739188.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

actually, not quite finished
strline field is a name field stripped of middle initial with no space
after coma, like "Bush,George". I need it to enter to an empty table.
Doesn't matter whether in one column or in 2.

however when I have 3 values (a,b,c) it tells me it not enough, when I put
4 (a,b,c,d) it tells me that number doesn't equal...


strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1) & ",
" & rs(2) & ")"
---

Private Sub Command0_Click()
MsgBox ("hey")
Dim strLine As String
Dim strSQL1 As String
Dim strSQL2 As String
Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim i As Integer
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
Set db = CurrentDb

strSQL1 = "Select * From New"
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL1)


  Do Until rs.EOF
strLine = rs("FullName")
MsgBox strLine
i = InStr(strLine, " ")
If i <> 0 Then
    strLine = Left(strLine, i)
End If

'rs(0) = strLine
strLine = FindAndReplace(CStr(strLine), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39))
strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1) & ",
" & rs(2) & ")"

 ' strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c,d) Values (rs(0),rs(1),rs(2))"
Debug.Print strSQL2

    CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL2)
    rs.MoveNext
  Loop

   MsgBox ("end")
End Sub


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 13 10:01:10 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:01:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C6292CC@natexch.jenkens.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAELOCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

This security thing can go a little overboard. If your applications have
sensitive data and provides access from the general public no one will ever
use a standard computer terminal and Access's MDB as the BE, it is just too
flaky.

SCO Unix had a 'Yellow Book' setting that when toggled basically made the
system inaccessible and consumed all the system resources monitoring every
access, every task performed and continually validated every user, again and
again. The system now became a monster to handle and even to do the simplest
of tasks, for the systems guy, could take an hour. (Everyone in that office
was delighted when the data was backed up and the server was reformatted and
the system re-installed.)

My point is, that sometimes super tight security is a waste of time. A good
talk by the office manager on how he/she will whack the first person who
screws with things, without authorization, is the best security of all.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Elam, Debbie
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


2

Have had a whole series of HR databases with sensitive data that needs
locked tight.  It takes me a while and I avoid it if I can.  Secured
databases are a PITA.  I inherited a database locked so tight it was darn
near impenetrable.  All of this for info that was common knowledge in the
workplace and not all that sensitive outside it.  The thing is nearly
impossible to modify or troubleshoot and I would love to give the guy that
wrote this a piece of my mind.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: 13 November 2003 01:00
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Nov 13 10:03:35 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:03:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DD2@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Roaming profiles sometimes do weird stuff...
Even when access is in same location.
I seen paths like "C:\Program Files\Microsoft
Office\Office10\MSACCESS.EXE" changing to
C:\Progra~1\Micros~2\Office10\MSACCESS.EXE in a sole Windows 2000 and XP
environment.

So I tend to believe there is still some code in windows that uses 8.3
naming conventions ... And this can create problems...
Because mircos~1 is not necesarily the short for Microsoft Office!! In
this case it was short for Microsoft Intellipoint because I installed
the mouse driver before Office.

Same thing with the default workgroup file its always system.mdw (the
localdisk one) and when using profiles in this or that situation it
sometimes changes to system1.mdw and creates it without asking.

But indeed /wrkgrp should solve this.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 4:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)


Hi Erwin

> I believe I'm not with with you....

> First, to set thing strait. It's only in our office for develepmont 
> I'm speaking.

Yes.

> Second.
> You mean you have a shorcut that starts msaccess.exe with /workgroup 
> xxx?

Yes. As I have one for starting a decompile.

> Problem with that is that you need a hard path to msaccess.exe and 
> hard paths is something I try to avoid.

No big problem here. All Access versions have remained where they were
installed - four of them for 38 months. I see no reason to move them
around.

> I always use roaming profiles and hard paths can problematic. I supose

> solutions are out there, but I already played alot with them and they 
> are often OS dependent.

That's a difference. I live in a Novell environment.

> You know, Gustav, It's not that a big deal...
> It's rarely I do a repair...

I know. But you mentioned it as it could cause problems to run an Office
repair and it really shouldn't be (regarding this topic).

> And I don't use workgroups anymore at customer sites.
> I use the network user name and match them with the users in the 
> database (user management based on tables/forms). If a network user is

> unkown in the database it exits instantly (after a msgbox).

I like that approach too. Also - as few clients have Single-Sign-On
implemented - it's a good service to the user that the app knows who
he/she is and all that is needed is nothing (in your case) or the
password only (in our case).

/gustav


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:21 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> Hi Erwin

> In my opinion it is not a good idea to have a special mdw assigned as 
> the default. I have a shortcut for such an Access with the wkrgrp 
> switch opening a secured database.

> /gustav


>> I know...I know...
>> At least I supose you mean that you can give msaccess.exe an /wrkgrp
>> command line option. Or use the /profile and a profile file.

>> I only use MDW for developing purposes indside the office and just
>> want it always to be my company.mdw group...

>> Specifying company.mdw for default gets reset to system.mdw in the
>> user profile folder.... Or is it in the program Files/common
folder...

>> ?

>> Don't bother, I just overcopy all system.mdw with company.mdw...


>> Erwin

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
>> Brock
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:56 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


>> Hi Erwin

>> You can supply your app with your own mdw, say erwin.mdw. Office
won't

>> overwrite that. For that kind of apps we create shortcuts (menu 
>> entries) which makes it easy for the user to open the app with the 
>> needed command line.

>> /gustav

>>> .. I want to add that a office repair each time reset or overwrites
>>> your MDW file).

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Nov 13 10:05:47 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:05:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F883@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Oleg,

Add this line of code after it to see what your SQL string looks like.
Debug.Print strSQL2

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)


actually, not quite finished
strline field is a name field stripped of middle initial with no space
after coma, like "Bush,George". I need it to enter to an empty table.
Doesn't matter whether in one column or in 2.

however when I have 3 values (a,b,c) it tells me it not enough, when I put
4 (a,b,c,d) it tells me that number doesn't equal...


strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1) & ",
" & rs(2) & ")"
---

Private Sub Command0_Click()
MsgBox ("hey")
Dim strLine As String
Dim strSQL1 As String
Dim strSQL2 As String
Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim i As Integer
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
Set db = CurrentDb

strSQL1 = "Select * From New"
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL1)


  Do Until rs.EOF
strLine = rs("FullName")
MsgBox strLine
i = InStr(strLine, " ")
If i <> 0 Then
    strLine = Left(strLine, i)
End If

'rs(0) = strLine
strLine = FindAndReplace(CStr(strLine), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39))
strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1) & ",
" & rs(2) & ")"

 ' strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c,d) Values (rs(0),rs(1),rs(2))"
Debug.Print strSQL2

    CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL2)
    rs.MoveNext
  Loop

   MsgBox ("end")
End Sub


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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Thu Nov 13 10:04:33 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:04:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <BAY8-DAV10py9tMTF4i00000941@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHKEMDEPAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

I'm a 4.5.

Know what it is and have played with it, but don't have the slightest
interest in using it.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com




From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 13 10:08:40 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:08:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <20031113083722.1712100296.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKEEJJHNAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Steve,

 <<Have you demonstrated to clients how to break the security? >>

  No as there is no need.  I simply show them the results of a google search
for cracking tools, mention that even Microsoft will tell you how if hard
pressed, and even if someone wanted to go the semi-legitimate route and pay
$45 or so, they can get at anything they want.

<<What would you show a client who had a bug up his rear about Access
"security?">>

  A. If they want security, use another product.
  B. If they still want me to do it, it's going to cost them lots both in
initial effort and maintaining it.

  B *always* wins<g>

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Jim,

>> But as far as locking it so tight that even I can't get into it,
that's not possible as I know how to break it and I know it's not worth
bothering with it in the first place. <<

Have you demonstrated to clients how to break the security? I wonder if that
might be an effective argument for implementing Access security for one of
my clients who's been curious about it. I, as a 4.5 security user, am not
real excited about implementing Access security.

What would you show a client who had a bug up his rear about Access
"security?"

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov 13 10:12:15 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:12:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAELOCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <00df01c3aa00$ea9ee670$210110ac@SUSANONE>

> My point is, that sometimes super tight security is a waste of time. A
good
> talk by the office manager on how he/she will whack the first person who
> screws with things, without authorization, is the best security of all.

=======Which is fine if they're all behaving themselves. What about the
disgruntled employee or the occasional hacker? Access security is good for
providing only the data necessary to authorized users, but I don't think
it's meant to keep out the malicious folks. Hope I'm not speaking out of
turn, only margininally following the thread.

I don't fall into any of JC's categories because I know how to implement
security, but I don't. Unfortunately, that means if I needed to I would do
so with a great deal of discretion and a stack of documentation, just in
case. There are lots of topics that benefit from actual hands on experience
and this is one of them. I can glean all the "bad news" and "watch for's"
from the experts and write a terrific article, and I'd benefit myself during
the implementation process -- but there's still something about "doing"
that's missing from "knowing how." That's why you'll find all my articles on
this topic are pretty much basic tutorial -- I wouldn't want to suggest an
expertise (that can only come from hands on experience) that I just don't
have.

If Martin hasn't responded, he's probably a .5. :)

Susan H.


From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Nov 13 10:14:14 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:14:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F883@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F883@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <42760.12.3.132.98.1068740054.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

here's both occurunces; neithe works (?)

INSERT into Neww(a,b,c,d) Values (Aber,Doris , *, *)
INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (Aber,Doris , *, *)

> Oleg,
>
> Add this line of code after it to see what your SQL string looks like.
> Debug.Print strSQL2
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:00 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
>
>
> actually, not quite finished
> strline field is a name field stripped of middle initial with no space
> after coma, like "Bush,George". I need it to enter to an empty table.
> Doesn't matter whether in one column or in 2.
>
> however when I have 3 values (a,b,c) it tells me it not enough, when I
> put 4 (a,b,c,d) it tells me that number doesn't equal...
>
>
> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1) &
> ", " & rs(2) & ")"
> ---
>
> Private Sub Command0_Click()
> MsgBox ("hey")
> Dim strLine As String
> Dim strSQL1 As String
> Dim strSQL2 As String
> Dim db As DAO.Database
> Dim i As Integer
> Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
> Set db = CurrentDb
>
> strSQL1 = "Select * From New"
> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL1)
>
>
>   Do Until rs.EOF
> strLine = rs("FullName")
> MsgBox strLine
> i = InStr(strLine, " ")
> If i <> 0 Then
>     strLine = Left(strLine, i)
> End If
>
> 'rs(0) = strLine
> strLine = FindAndReplace(CStr(strLine), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39))
> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1) &
> ", " & rs(2) & ")"
>
>  ' strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c,d) Values (rs(0),rs(1),rs(2))"
> Debug.Print strSQL2
>
>     CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL2)
>     rs.MoveNext
>   Loop
>
>    MsgBox ("end")
> End Sub
>
>
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Nov 13 10:15:33 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:15:33 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAELOCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
	<00df01c3aa00$ea9ee670$210110ac@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <014601c3aa01$5d8e6c50$9111758f@aine>

I know its there and what it for and at a push I could do it but have never
done so.

Martin


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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> > My point is, that sometimes super tight security is a waste of time. A
> good
> > talk by the office manager on how he/she will whack the first person who
> > screws with things, without authorization, is the best security of all.
>
> =======Which is fine if they're all behaving themselves. What about the
> disgruntled employee or the occasional hacker? Access security is good for
> providing only the data necessary to authorized users, but I don't think
> it's meant to keep out the malicious folks. Hope I'm not speaking out of
> turn, only margininally following the thread.
>
> I don't fall into any of JC's categories because I know how to implement
> security, but I don't. Unfortunately, that means if I needed to I would do
> so with a great deal of discretion and a stack of documentation, just in
> case. There are lots of topics that benefit from actual hands on
experience
> and this is one of them. I can glean all the "bad news" and "watch for's"
> from the experts and write a terrific article, and I'd benefit myself
during
> the implementation process -- but there's still something about "doing"
> that's missing from "knowing how." That's why you'll find all my articles
on
> this topic are pretty much basic tutorial -- I wouldn't want to suggest an
> expertise (that can only come from hands on experience) that I just don't
> have.
>
> If Martin hasn't responded, he's probably a .5. :)
>
> Susan H.
>
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov 13 10:22:57 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:22:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: 	<NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAELOCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca><00df01c3aa00$ea9ee670$210110ac@SUSANONE>
	<014601c3aa01$5d8e6c50$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <010501c3aa02$85b00df0$210110ac@SUSANONE>

I'm shocked... truly shocked... and here I labeled you a .5 ;) Ah well...

Susan H.


> I know its there and what it for and at a push I could do it but have
never
> done so.
>
> Martin
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 4:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> > > My point is, that sometimes super tight security is a waste of time. A
> > good
> > > talk by the office manager on how he/she will whack the first person
who
> > > screws with things, without authorization, is the best security of
all.
> >
> > =======Which is fine if they're all behaving themselves. What about the
> > disgruntled employee or the occasional hacker? Access security is good
for
> > providing only the data necessary to authorized users, but I don't think
> > it's meant to keep out the malicious folks. Hope I'm not speaking out of
> > turn, only margininally following the thread.
> >
> > I don't fall into any of JC's categories because I know how to implement
> > security, but I don't. Unfortunately, that means if I needed to I would
do
> > so with a great deal of discretion and a stack of documentation, just in
> > case. There are lots of topics that benefit from actual hands on
> experience
> > and this is one of them. I can glean all the "bad news" and "watch
for's"
> > from the experts and write a terrific article, and I'd benefit myself
> during
> > the implementation process -- but there's still something about "doing"
> > that's missing from "knowing how." That's why you'll find all my
articles
> on
> > this topic are pretty much basic tutorial -- I wouldn't want to suggest
an
> > expertise (that can only come from hands on experience) that I just
don't
> > have.
> >
> > If Martin hasn't responded, he's probably a .5. :)
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Thu Nov 13 10:29:09 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:29:09 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3FB3B155.90307@verizon.net>

I am between 1 and 2, in that I don't NEED the docs but I DO like to reference them just as my own personal double check, the way I look at it is, nobody's perfect so a quick reference helps assure me that all is done well.  additionally there's NO WAY I can lock myself out of the database because I always create 2 MDW's, I haven't done security for and MDW for a while now tho (about maybe a year).  

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.

-- 

-Francisco


John W. Colby wrote:

>I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
>security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
>workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.
>
>Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
>
>1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
>down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
>2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
>definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
>3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
>need help / books to do it again.
>4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
>off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
>done.  Books / help definitly needed.
>5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
>it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
>
>If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.
>
>As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
>willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
>just never did it (for real).
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>  
>


From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Nov 13 10:25:12 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:25:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F887@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

OK.  You have to wrap each string value in single quotes.

Now your code will look like this:
strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values ('" & strLine & "', '" & rs(1) & "', '" & rs(2) & "')"

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)


here's both occurunces; neithe works (?)

INSERT into Neww(a,b,c,d) Values (Aber,Doris , *, *)
INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (Aber,Doris , *, *)

> Oleg,
>
> Add this line of code after it to see what your SQL string looks like.
> Debug.Print strSQL2
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:00 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
>
>
> actually, not quite finished
> strline field is a name field stripped of middle initial with no space
> after coma, like "Bush,George". I need it to enter to an empty table.
> Doesn't matter whether in one column or in 2.
>
> however when I have 3 values (a,b,c) it tells me it not enough, when I
> put 4 (a,b,c,d) it tells me that number doesn't equal...
>
>
> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1) &
> ", " & rs(2) & ")"
> ---
>
> Private Sub Command0_Click()
> MsgBox ("hey")
> Dim strLine As String
> Dim strSQL1 As String
> Dim strSQL2 As String
> Dim db As DAO.Database
> Dim i As Integer
> Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
> Set db = CurrentDb
>
> strSQL1 = "Select * From New"
> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL1)
>
>
>   Do Until rs.EOF
> strLine = rs("FullName")
> MsgBox strLine
> i = InStr(strLine, " ")
> If i <> 0 Then
>     strLine = Left(strLine, i)
> End If
>
> 'rs(0) = strLine
> strLine = FindAndReplace(CStr(strLine), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39))
> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1) &
> ", " & rs(2) & ")"
>
>  ' strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c,d) Values (rs(0),rs(1),rs(2))"
> Debug.Print strSQL2
>
>     CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL2)
>     rs.MoveNext
>   Loop
>
>    MsgBox ("end")
> End Sub
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Nov 13 10:28:56 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:28:56 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAELOCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMEAHENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Jim,
I'll bet you can't write about "SCO Unix" on too many lists anymore without
getting flamed!
:o)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> (AccessD)
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:01 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> Hi All:
>
> This security thing can go a little overboard. If your applications have
> sensitive data and provides access from the general public no one
> will ever
> use a standard computer terminal and Access's MDB as the BE, it
> is just too
> flaky.
>
> SCO Unix had a 'Yellow Book' setting that when toggled basically made the
> system inaccessible and consumed all the system resources monitoring every
> access, every task performed and continually validated every
> user, again and
> again. The system now became a monster to handle and even to do
> the simplest
> of tasks, for the systems guy, could take an hour. (Everyone in
> that office
> was delighted when the data was backed up and the server was
> reformatted and
> the system re-installed.)
>
> My point is, that sometimes super tight security is a waste of
> time. A good
> talk by the office manager on how he/she will whack the first person who
> screws with things, without authorization, is the best security of all.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Elam, Debbie
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:08 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> 2
>
> Have had a whole series of HR databases with sensitive data that needs
> locked tight.  It takes me a while and I avoid it if I can.  Secured
> databases are a PITA.  I inherited a database locked so tight it was darn
> near impenetrable.  All of this for info that was common knowledge in the
> workplace and not all that sensitive outside it.  The thing is nearly
> impossible to modify or troubleshoot and I would love to give the guy that
> wrote this a piece of my mind.
>
> Debbie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: 13 November 2003 01:00
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
> security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
> workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.
>
> Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
>
> 1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
> down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
> 2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
> definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
> 3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying
> project.  I would
> need help / books to do it again.
> 4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to
> shoot a toe
> off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
> done.  Books / help definitly needed.
> 5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I
> go to learn
> it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
>
> If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.
>
> As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
> willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn
> / do so I
> just never did it (for real).
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Thu Nov 13 10:31:35 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:31:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
In-Reply-To: <42760.12.3.132.98.1068740054.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <001001c3aa03$9af18850$7001a8c0@COA3>

You need single quotes around the text values:
 strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values ('" & strLine & "', '" &
rs(1) 
 & "', '" & rs(2) & "')"


Steve



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)


here's both occurunces; neithe works (?)

INSERT into Neww(a,b,c,d) Values (Aber,Doris , *, *)
INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (Aber,Doris , *, *)

> Oleg,
>
> Add this line of code after it to see what your SQL string looks like.

> Debug.Print strSQL2
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:00 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
>
>
> actually, not quite finished
> strline field is a name field stripped of middle initial with no space

> after coma, like "Bush,George". I need it to enter to an empty table. 
> Doesn't matter whether in one column or in 2.
>
> however when I have 3 values (a,b,c) it tells me it not enough, when I

> put 4 (a,b,c,d) it tells me that number doesn't equal...
>
>
> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1) 
> & ", " & rs(2) & ")"
> ---
>
> Private Sub Command0_Click()
> MsgBox ("hey")
> Dim strLine As String
> Dim strSQL1 As String
> Dim strSQL2 As String
> Dim db As DAO.Database
> Dim i As Integer
> Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
> Set db = CurrentDb
>
> strSQL1 = "Select * From New"
> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL1)
>
>
>   Do Until rs.EOF
> strLine = rs("FullName")
> MsgBox strLine
> i = InStr(strLine, " ")
> If i <> 0 Then
>     strLine = Left(strLine, i)
> End If
>
> 'rs(0) = strLine
> strLine = FindAndReplace(CStr(strLine), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39)) 
> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1) 
> & ", " & rs(2) & ")"
>
>  ' strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c,d) Values (rs(0),rs(1),rs(2))" 
> Debug.Print strSQL2
>
>     CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL2)
>     rs.MoveNext
>   Loop
>
>    MsgBox ("end")
> End Sub
>
>
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Nov 13 10:31:55 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:31:55 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: 	<NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAELOCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca><00df01c3aa00$ea9ee670$210110ac@SUSANONE><014601c3aa01$5d8e6c50$9111758f@aine>
	<010501c3aa02$85b00df0$210110ac@SUSANONE>
Message-ID: <01b801c3aa03$a6982b00$9111758f@aine>

LOL

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> I'm shocked... truly shocked... and here I labeled you a .5 ;) Ah well...
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > I know its there and what it for and at a push I could do it but have
> never
> > done so.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at bellsouth.net>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 4:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> >
> >
> > > > My point is, that sometimes super tight security is a waste of time.
A
> > > good
> > > > talk by the office manager on how he/she will whack the first person
> who
> > > > screws with things, without authorization, is the best security of
> all.
> > >
> > > =======Which is fine if they're all behaving themselves. What about
the
> > > disgruntled employee or the occasional hacker? Access security is good
> for
> > > providing only the data necessary to authorized users, but I don't
think
> > > it's meant to keep out the malicious folks. Hope I'm not speaking out
of
> > > turn, only margininally following the thread.
> > >
> > > I don't fall into any of JC's categories because I know how to
implement
> > > security, but I don't. Unfortunately, that means if I needed to I
would
> do
> > > so with a great deal of discretion and a stack of documentation, just
in
> > > case. There are lots of topics that benefit from actual hands on
> > experience
> > > and this is one of them. I can glean all the "bad news" and "watch
> for's"
> > > from the experts and write a terrific article, and I'd benefit myself
> > during
> > > the implementation process -- but there's still something about
"doing"
> > > that's missing from "knowing how." That's why you'll find all my
> articles
> > on
> > > this topic are pretty much basic tutorial -- I wouldn't want to
suggest
> an
> > > expertise (that can only come from hands on experience) that I just
> don't
> > > have.
> > >
> > > If Martin hasn't responded, he's probably a .5. :)
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 13 10:32:28 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:32:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631243A@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Make me a 1.5.  We use it all the time in our apps and I've had the
experience in the past of locking one of my own apps down so tight I
couldn't get back in.  Fortunately, I had a backup ... And installed a
backdoor  using a command line argument after that. <G>  I see no reason
to reinvent security on my own when MS has provided an acceptable method
already.  Is it totally secure?  No, is anything?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather
using workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a
database down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books
needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
would need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the
job done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
learn it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate
it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do
so I just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Nov 13 10:36:32 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:36:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F887@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F887@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <50424.12.3.132.98.1068741392.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>

oh.. I was trying cStr each of them.. Thanks a lot

> OK.  You have to wrap each string value in single quotes.
>
> Now your code will look like this:
> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values ('" & strLine & "', '" & rs(1)
> & "', '" & rs(2) & "')"
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:14 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
>
>
> here's both occurunces; neithe works (?)
>
> INSERT into Neww(a,b,c,d) Values (Aber,Doris , *, *)
> INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (Aber,Doris , *, *)
>
>> Oleg,
>>
>> Add this line of code after it to see what your SQL string looks like.
>> Debug.Print strSQL2
>>
>> Jim DeMarco
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:00 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: RE: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
>>
>>
>> actually, not quite finished
>> strline field is a name field stripped of middle initial with no space
>> after coma, like "Bush,George". I need it to enter to an empty table.
>> Doesn't matter whether in one column or in 2.
>>
>> however when I have 3 values (a,b,c) it tells me it not enough, when I
>> put 4 (a,b,c,d) it tells me that number doesn't equal...
>>
>>
>> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1)
>> & ", " & rs(2) & ")"
>> ---
>>
>> Private Sub Command0_Click()
>> MsgBox ("hey")
>> Dim strLine As String
>> Dim strSQL1 As String
>> Dim strSQL2 As String
>> Dim db As DAO.Database
>> Dim i As Integer
>> Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
>> Set db = CurrentDb
>>
>> strSQL1 = "Select * From New"
>> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL1)
>>
>>
>>   Do Until rs.EOF
>> strLine = rs("FullName")
>> MsgBox strLine
>> i = InStr(strLine, " ")
>> If i <> 0 Then
>>     strLine = Left(strLine, i)
>> End If
>>
>> 'rs(0) = strLine
>> strLine = FindAndReplace(CStr(strLine), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39))
>> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1)
>> & ", " & rs(2) & ")"
>>
>>  ' strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c,d) Values (rs(0),rs(1),rs(2))"
>> Debug.Print strSQL2
>>
>>     CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL2)
>>     rs.MoveNext
>>   Loop
>>
>>    MsgBox ("end")
>> End Sub
>>
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu Nov 13 10:36:57 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:36:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
In-Reply-To: <001001c3aa03$9af18850$7001a8c0@COA3>
References: <42760.12.3.132.98.1068740054.squirrel@heck.bay9.com>
        <001001c3aa03$9af18850$7001a8c0@COA3>
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thanks Steve, already done

> You need single quotes around the text values:
>  strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values ('" & strLine & "', '" &
> rs(1)
>  & "', '" & rs(2) & "')"
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:14 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
>
>
> here's both occurunces; neithe works (?)
>
> INSERT into Neww(a,b,c,d) Values (Aber,Doris , *, *)
> INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (Aber,Doris , *, *)
>
>> Oleg,
>>
>> Add this line of code after it to see what your SQL string looks like.
>
>> Debug.Print strSQL2
>>
>> Jim DeMarco
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:00 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: RE: [AccessD] inserting in DAO (another problem)
>>
>>
>> actually, not quite finished
>> strline field is a name field stripped of middle initial with no space
>
>> after coma, like "Bush,George". I need it to enter to an empty table.
>> Doesn't matter whether in one column or in 2.
>>
>> however when I have 3 values (a,b,c) it tells me it not enough, when I
>
>> put 4 (a,b,c,d) it tells me that number doesn't equal...
>>
>>
>> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1)
>> & ", " & rs(2) & ")"
>> ---
>>
>> Private Sub Command0_Click()
>> MsgBox ("hey")
>> Dim strLine As String
>> Dim strSQL1 As String
>> Dim strSQL2 As String
>> Dim db As DAO.Database
>> Dim i As Integer
>> Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
>> Set db = CurrentDb
>>
>> strSQL1 = "Select * From New"
>> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL1)
>>
>>
>>   Do Until rs.EOF
>> strLine = rs("FullName")
>> MsgBox strLine
>> i = InStr(strLine, " ")
>> If i <> 0 Then
>>     strLine = Left(strLine, i)
>> End If
>>
>> 'rs(0) = strLine
>> strLine = FindAndReplace(CStr(strLine), Chr(39), Chr(39) + Chr(39))
>> strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c) Values (" & strLine & ", " & rs(1)
>> & ", " & rs(2) & ")"
>>
>>  ' strSQL2 = "INSERT into Neww(a,b,c,d) Values (rs(0),rs(1),rs(2))"
>> Debug.Print strSQL2
>>
>>     CurrentDb.Execute (strSQL2)
>>     rs.MoveNext
>>   Loop
>>
>>    MsgBox ("end")
>> End Sub
>>
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Thu Nov 13 10:45:13 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:45:13 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <22380264.1068715936355.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>
References: <22380264.1068715936355.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001>
Message-ID: <3FB3B519.7020809@verizon.net>

On the Access-L list they used to say:
Read the Security FAQ, read it again, until you think you've got it, and 
once you're sure, you read it again for good measure. ;)

this was true when I got started, and as a guide I have always re-read 
it before diving into security even tho I've learned most of the steps.

-- 
-Francisco


paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:

>Is there a category for knowing that access has built in security, has tried to get it to work, has never got it to work, and has given up on it unless I get a brainwave and step-by-step idiots guide on it.
>Paul Hartland
>
>
>
>Message date : Nov 13 2003, 09:27 AM 
>>From : Roz Clarke 
>To : 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
>Copy to : 
>Subject : RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security 
>I guess I fit in this category as well as #3 
>
>:) 
>
>Roz 
>
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
>Sent: 13 November 2003 09:21 
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security 
>
>
>Snap. Put me in Andrew's no 6 category. See, we even roll-our-own 
>categories. 
>
>Andy Lacey 
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>>Haslett, Andrew 
>>Sent: 13 November 2003 01:16 
>>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security 
>>
>>
>>6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I 
>>Use MDE's and roll my own security depending on the 
>>requirements of the client. 
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
>>Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM 
>>To: AccessD 
>>Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security 
>>
>>
>>I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' 
>>built-in security. By security I do NOT mean the database 
>>properties, rather using workgroups / users to secure forms, 
>>tables, queries etc. 
>>
>>Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following: 
>>
>>1) I am an Access security guru. I can quickly and easily 
>>lock a database down so tight I can't even get back in. No 
>>help / books needed. 
>>2) I am fluent with Access security. I can get the job done 
>>but it definitely takes a few hours. I probably won't need 
>>the help / books. 
>>3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying 
>>project. I would need help / books to do it again. 
>>4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed 
>>to shoot a toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am 
>>confident I could get the job done. Books / help definitly needed. 
>>5) Access has built in security? What is this and where 
>>would I go to learn it? Why haven't I ever seen these books / help? 
>>
>>If you would please just select a number and reply I would 
>>appreciate it. 
>>
>>As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4. No client has 
>>ever been willing to pay for it and I have always had other 
>>things to learn / do so I just never did it (for real). 
>>
>>John W. Colby 
>>www.colbyconsulting.com 
>>
>>
>>    
>>


From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov 13 10:44:20 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:44:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631243A@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <012a01c3aa05$6df902e0$210110ac@SUSANONE>

 Is it totally secure?  No, is anything?

=============A drooling doberman with big teeth chained to the keyboard
might do just as well. :)

Susan H.


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 13 11:01:05 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:01:05 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631243C@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

LOL  I had a drooling doberman with big teeth!  She was a total pushover
even though she weighed 85 pounds. <G>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


 Is it totally secure?  No, is anything?

=============A drooling doberman with big teeth chained to the keyboard
might do just as well. :)

Susan H.

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From Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov  Thu Nov 13 10:48:39 2003
From: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov (Stoker, Kenneth E)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:48:39 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <249C1CB246997C48BB74963CCD361C1B014A0258@pnlmse28.pnl.gov>

Put me in at 3.

Ken Stoker
Technology Commercialization
Information Systems Administrator
PH: (509) 375-3758
FAX: (509) 375-6731
E-mail:  Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov 


-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


6) I don't use the built in security functions of Access. I  Use MDE's
and roll my own security depending on the requirements of the client.

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2003 11:30 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather
using workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a
database down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books
needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
would need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the
job done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
learn it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate
it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do
so I just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From pjewett at bayplace.com  Thu Nov 13 12:16:14 2003
From: pjewett at bayplace.com (Phil Jewett)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:16:14 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] RE: SQL trusted connection problem - solution
Message-ID: <D3C4180250579C42A9C6A5A199772138068B5E@comet.home.bayplace.com>

All:
Solution was provided by Jim Lawrence, which is to add the following
register key to the client XP if not already present:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\MSSQLSERVER\Client\ConnectTo]"MyS
erve
r"="DBNMPNTW,MyServer"

I don't think I made it obvious from my initial post that the problem of
the connection attempting a trusted connection occurs only on Windows XP
boxes - the mdb works fine on 98 and 2000.

FYI, the SQL Server is set up as mixed mode and the connection is done
through a connection string, it being:

"ODBC;DRIVER={SQL
Server};SERVER=pluto;UID=cds;PWD=xxxxx;DATABASE=Coupons;"

and relinking the tables through the usual table loop:
DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", myODBCConnectionString,
acTable, rs(0), rs(0)

By the way, my original post was double posted because I got a reply
from postman at magicialdesk.com (whoever that is!) saying the mail was
undeliverable because the mailbox was full.  So I reposted a little
while later.  But it turned out that the initial post went through
anyway.

Thanks to all.

Phil Jewett


From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Nov 13 12:23:10 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:23:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3069621F@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BAFFB@ADGSERVER>

And put me as a 3.

Bobby


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Nov 13 12:40:22 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:40:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227564@main2.marlow.com>

What do you mean Darren.  Do you mean like setting permissions, creating
users and groups, changing passwords, etc?  Or simply logging into a secured
database?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:48 PM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser


Hello all
I have a Web Developer friend asking me if anyone knows of some useful
URL's that will show how to or give examples of administering Access
security via a browser.

She has Access Security implemented and can administer it fine from the
local PC via the
'normal' means, she just wants to do it via the web 

Many thanks in advance

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Nov 13 12:41:57 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:41:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227565@main2.marlow.com>

1, pretty confident on that too...with the exception of the can't get back
in part. I find it quick and easy to use, and lock everything down, but I
always leave myself a way in.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Nov 13 12:45:19 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:45:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227566@main2.marlow.com>

Another clarification on my 1 position.  That is for Access 97.  I must
admit to have only built one 2000 db with Access User Level security.  But
97 I can do in my sleep.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


>M$'s main DB security is lack of supplied information.

ROTFL.

And I intentionally called mine Light Weight Security precisely to avoid any
expectations that it would lock down a database against someone like
yourself.

I have discovered that:

There are hackers out there that can take down Fort Knox.  If you are
worried about them Access is not your tool.
99.9% of the day to day damage is done by innocent users doing things they
shouldn't be allowed to do.
99.9% of that damage is easily prevented using something waaaaaaay less
obtuse than Access security.

Funny but true story.  I had a user who had apparently taken a class
somewhere.  She told me one day that she had attempted to make a change to
one of my tables but that she couldn't make the change stick.  She was
attempting to MODIFY a field in a LINKED table.  She did not even understand
what a linked table was, nor where the real data was.

It never occurred to me that a user would even attempt to modify a table of
a database that was company property and over which she had no design
authority.  She was just a user!

No harm was done of course, but I had to have a heart to heart with her as
to what her job was.

And of course, if the company allows it (and this one doesn't) simply
setting the database properties would keep such inexpert busy fingers out of
the pie.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Hi John:

Odd questions but I would rate myself as a 4, the other stuff I have samples
on but would have to dig for the answers. The ultimate security is simply to
go to any SQL server, as far as I am concerned. MDB security is too fragile
and hackable. A couple of years back I had to hack a few, think it was two
or three, MDBs that were supposedly secure, so the client could work on the
tables after the initial programmers had disappeared. Cracked them all...and
I would not consider myself a whiz at that stuff, it was just that MS MDB
security is a little weak.

M$'s main DB security is lack of supplied information.

My two cents worth
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I would
need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a toe
off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to learn
it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do so I
just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Nov 13 12:50:56 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:50:56 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227567@main2.marlow.com>

Personally, my favorite setup is to use the system.mdw for users, and an
'admin' .mdw for development/maintenance.  That way, the only 'special'
shortcuts I need is for administrators of the database.  Of course that
method only works if you can clump all of the 'users' in one pile.  If the
users need to be split up by their capabilities, you can't use that method.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)


I believe I'm not with with you....

First, to set thing strait. It's only in our office for develepmont I'm
speaking.

Second.
You mean you have a shorcut that starts msaccess.exe with /workgroup
xxx?
Problem with that is that you need a hard path to msaccess.exe and hard
paths is something I try to avoid.
I always use roaming profiles and hard paths can problematic.
I supose solutions are out there, but I already played alot with them
and they are often OS dependent.

You know, Gustav, It's not that a big deal...
It's rarely I do a repair...

And I don't use workgroups anymore at customer sites.
I use the network user name and match them with the users in the
database (user management based on tables/forms).
If a network user is unkown in the database it exits instantly (after a
msgbox).


Erwin

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Hi Erwin

In my opinion it is not a good idea to have a special mdw assigned as
the default. I have a shortcut for such an Access with the wkrgrp switch
opening a secured database.

/gustav


> I know...I know...
> At least I supose you mean that you can give msaccess.exe an /wrkgrp 
> command line option. Or use the /profile and a profile file.

> I only use MDW for developing purposes indside the office and just 
> want it always to be my company.mdw group...

> Specifying company.mdw for default gets reset to system.mdw in the 
> user profile folder.... Or is it in the program Files/common folder...

> ?

> Don't bother, I just overcopy all system.mdw with company.mdw...


> Erwin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:56 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> Hi Erwin

> You can supply your app with your own mdw, say erwin.mdw. Office won't

> overwrite that. For that kind of apps we create shortcuts (menu 
> entries) which makes it easy for the user to open the app with the 
> needed command line.

> /gustav

>> .. I want to add that a office repair each time reset or overwrites
>> your MDW file).

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Nov 13 12:56:17 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:56:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227568@main2.marlow.com>

Actually, an .mdb can be made VERY secure by using ASP as a front end.  The
problem with using Access or even VB for a front end, is that you need to
have direct access to the back end.  So if user XYZ is logged on, XYZ needs
permission to have direct Access to the .mdb AND the .mdw.  However, if you
use ASP as the Front End, so the user is using their browser to access the
db, then the users can be completely stripped of access to the .mdb itself.
In fact, if you store the .mdb on the IIS server, and you don't even have to
have share access to it.  Sure, you're then relying on NT security, but you
can button that down pretty tight.  So you can keep the .mdb and the .mdw at
an 'unavailable' location.  

I've used Access User Level security quite a bit, I don't find it difficult
at all (partly due to so many similarities between it and NT security).
However, it is a pretty fallible system.  With enough time and resources,
and it can be cracked.  Actually for $40 (last time I checked), you can
crack any .mdb, as long as you have a copy of the .mdw with the
administrative accounts in it.  Even with a solid knowledge of Access User
Level security, you are still dependant upon the users ignorance for it to
be secure.  With what I was talking about with an ASP front end, you are
taking the level of security to a point where a SERIOUS hacker would be
required to get at whatever you want protected.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


But seriously there are some apps, like the HR apps (someone, I forget who,
wrote in about) where you want it real secure.

But even in that case, passwording the back end and maybe encrypting it,
with some additional restrictions in the front end like I use and then
making an mde would seem to do the trick without having to get mixed up in
all that mdw stuff.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> Hahahahahahahahahah....sorry.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> > Hi Rocky
> >
> > So why is JC's world so much different from yours and mine??
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > > Had to fool with it once on a legacy app and got around it.  But it
was
> a
> > > big PITA.
> >
> > > I generally roll my own by having the user log in with a password.
They
> get
> > > one of three levels of access to the whole system - 1) read only, 2)
> > > read/write, 3) admin.  I put their access level in a global variable.
> Each
> > > form has to check the access level then to see if they are allowed to
do
> a
> > > certain function.  So far, the three levels have been adequate and no
> one
> > > except for one client has wanted function of field level control.
> >
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Thu Nov 13 13:14:12 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:14:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227567@main2.marlow.com>
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227567@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <3FB3D804.3050807@verizon.net>

<shaking head in disbelief>  No no no no no.... the system.mdw SHOULD NEVER BE TOUCHED.  This is just bad practice... while it makes it incredibly convenient for a one database solution, when you begin adding new databases they automatically go and seek the permissions from the system.mdw, therefore all settings in that db are inherently applied to the new databases.

Again this is all fine if you're doing this to one database for one organization and even while you're the current developer.  But what happens when a new guy takes over or if you are given an mdb for another database.  You'll see weird errors that you wouldn't should you not have messed w/ the original System.mdw.  Additionally other developers following the Security FAQ will develop against their copy of the mdw.  

Of course I know you're the main / only? developer for access apps w/ your organization.  But things can not always be so smooth.


-- 
-Francisco


Drew Wutka wrote:

>Personally, my favorite setup is to use the system.mdw for users, and an
>'admin' .mdw for development/maintenance.  That way, the only 'special'
>shortcuts I need is for administrators of the database.  Of course that
>method only works if you can clump all of the 'users' in one pile.  If the
>users need to be split up by their capabilities, you can't use that method.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
>Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:40 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)
>
>
>I believe I'm not with with you....
>
>First, to set thing strait. It's only in our office for develepmont I'm
>speaking.
>
>Second.
>You mean you have a shorcut that starts msaccess.exe with /workgroup
>xxx?
>Problem with that is that you need a hard path to msaccess.exe and hard
>paths is something I try to avoid.
>I always use roaming profiles and hard paths can problematic.
>I supose solutions are out there, but I already played alot with them
>and they are often OS dependent.
>
>You know, Gustav, It's not that a big deal...
>It's rarely I do a repair...
>
>And I don't use workgroups anymore at customer sites.
>I use the network user name and match them with the users in the
>database (user management based on tables/forms).
>If a network user is unkown in the database it exits instantly (after a
>msgbox).
>
>
>Erwin
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:21 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
>Hi Erwin
>
>In my opinion it is not a good idea to have a special mdw assigned as
>the default. I have a shortcut for such an Access with the wkrgrp switch
>opening a secured database.
>
>/gustav
>
>
>  
>
>>I know...I know...
>>At least I supose you mean that you can give msaccess.exe an /wrkgrp 
>>command line option. Or use the /profile and a profile file.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>I only use MDW for developing purposes indside the office and just 
>>want it always to be my company.mdw group...
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Specifying company.mdw for default gets reset to system.mdw in the 
>>user profile folder.... Or is it in the program Files/common folder...
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>?
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Don't bother, I just overcopy all system.mdw with company.mdw...
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>
>>Erwin
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
>>Brock
>>Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:56 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>
>>Hi Erwin
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>You can supply your app with your own mdw, say erwin.mdw. Office won't
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>overwrite that. For that kind of apps we create shortcuts (menu 
>>entries) which makes it easy for the user to open the app with the 
>>needed command line.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>/gustav
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>>.. I want to add that a office repair each time reset or overwrites
>>>your MDW file).
>>>      
>>>



From rmoore at comtechpst.com  Thu Nov 13 13:16:54 2003
From: rmoore at comtechpst.com (Ron Moore)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:16:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <003701c3aa1a$b5bb52d0$3c549da6@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>

I'm a 3 and regret it.  Adding new users/groups during normal working
hours is almost impossible!  Need exclusive log in and have to bump
everyone out.  Not a good thing.  Running to the books/help is not a
good thing when upper management wants something quick.

Ron



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather
using workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a
database down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books
needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
would need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the
job done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
learn it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate
it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do
so I just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From tomk at multiline.com.au  Wed Nov 12 14:18:09 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:18:09 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change resolution of forms
References: 	<DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com><011f01c3a983$8a8de1f0$6501a8c0@HAL9002><004801c3a8d4$476bdc10$0300a8c0@print>
	<009901c3a9f2$f67f1810$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <00a701c3a95a$18129e50$0300a8c0@print>

> This seems to be a better solution than the ADH code but I'm trying to get
> rid of dynamic resizing altogether.  Any ideas on that?
> Regards,
> Rocky

I must admit that I was dissapointed  with the results from that module and
resolved to go through slowly over a period of time and Re-size my forms
manually .....BUT we are talking some HUNDREDS of forms and I would prefer a
better way ....

It occurs to me that this is an ongoing problem for ANYONE who designs
software and rarely do you come accross sizing problems in shareware or
commercial apps so there must be other alternatives.

I will do some more "digging"on the subject ....maybe there are a range of
API's we can access

regards
Tom Keatley


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Nov 13 14:43:26 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:43:26 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222756B@main2.marlow.com>

I didn't say I touched the system.mdw.  I just said I used it.  The
permissions for each object in the database is stored in the .mdb.
Therefore, I strip the Admin account of all permissions except those that a
normal user would have.  I then have An Admin account (and usually an Admin
Group) of my own making, that have all permissions setup.  

That way, when a user opens the .mdb, they are automatically logged in as
Admin, with a blank password, against whatever is setup as their current
.mdw. (which in most cases is System.mdw).  They get no login, they require
no special setup, and they only have generic user permissions.

This works quite well in tandem with NT security, because NT security can
then be used to only allow specific NT users to access an .mdb at all, so
anyone with NT access automatically has generic user capabilities.  To have
more capabilities, then another .mdw is required.

I also use the exact same User Account for my personal account, so it
doesn't matter what .mdb I am working on, I can actually use any of the
.mdw's out there, to get admin access.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)


<shaking head in disbelief>  No no no no no.... the system.mdw SHOULD NEVER
BE TOUCHED.  This is just bad practice... while it makes it incredibly
convenient for a one database solution, when you begin adding new databases
they automatically go and seek the permissions from the system.mdw,
therefore all settings in that db are inherently applied to the new
databases.

Again this is all fine if you're doing this to one database for one
organization and even while you're the current developer.  But what happens
when a new guy takes over or if you are given an mdb for another database.
You'll see weird errors that you wouldn't should you not have messed w/ the
original System.mdw.  Additionally other developers following the Security
FAQ will develop against their copy of the mdw.  

Of course I know you're the main / only? developer for access apps w/ your
organization.  But things can not always be so smooth.


-- 
-Francisco


Drew Wutka wrote:

>Personally, my favorite setup is to use the system.mdw for users, and an
>'admin' .mdw for development/maintenance.  That way, the only 'special'
>shortcuts I need is for administrators of the database.  Of course that
>method only works if you can clump all of the 'users' in one pile.  If the
>users need to be split up by their capabilities, you can't use that method.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
>Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:40 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)
>
>
>I believe I'm not with with you....
>
>First, to set thing strait. It's only in our office for develepmont I'm
>speaking.
>
>Second.
>You mean you have a shorcut that starts msaccess.exe with /workgroup
>xxx?
>Problem with that is that you need a hard path to msaccess.exe and hard
>paths is something I try to avoid.
>I always use roaming profiles and hard paths can problematic.
>I supose solutions are out there, but I already played alot with them
>and they are often OS dependent.
>
>You know, Gustav, It's not that a big deal...
>It's rarely I do a repair...
>
>And I don't use workgroups anymore at customer sites.
>I use the network user name and match them with the users in the
>database (user management based on tables/forms).
>If a network user is unkown in the database it exits instantly (after a
>msgbox).
>
>
>Erwin
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:21 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
>Hi Erwin
>
>In my opinion it is not a good idea to have a special mdw assigned as
>the default. I have a shortcut for such an Access with the wkrgrp switch
>opening a secured database.
>
>/gustav
>
>
>  
>
>>I know...I know...
>>At least I supose you mean that you can give msaccess.exe an /wrkgrp 
>>command line option. Or use the /profile and a profile file.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>I only use MDW for developing purposes indside the office and just 
>>want it always to be my company.mdw group...
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Specifying company.mdw for default gets reset to system.mdw in the 
>>user profile folder.... Or is it in the program Files/common folder...
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>?
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Don't bother, I just overcopy all system.mdw with company.mdw...
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>
>>Erwin
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
>>Brock
>>Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:56 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>
>>Hi Erwin
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>You can supply your app with your own mdw, say erwin.mdw. Office won't
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>overwrite that. For that kind of apps we create shortcuts (menu 
>>entries) which makes it easy for the user to open the app with the 
>>needed command line.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>/gustav
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>>.. I want to add that a office repair each time reset or overwrites
>>>your MDW file).
>>>      
>>>


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 13 14:53:32 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:53:32 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631243D@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

The security works the same in later versions.  The biggest difference
is that in 2002, you have the ability to join a workgroup from the
security menu instead of having to run the workgroup administrator.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Another clarification on my 1 position.  That is for Access 97.  I must
admit to have only built one 2000 db with Access User Level security.
But 97 I can do in my sleep.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


>M$'s main DB security is lack of supplied information.

ROTFL.

And I intentionally called mine Light Weight Security precisely to avoid
any expectations that it would lock down a database against someone like
yourself.

I have discovered that:

There are hackers out there that can take down Fort Knox.  If you are
worried about them Access is not your tool. 99.9% of the day to day
damage is done by innocent users doing things they shouldn't be allowed
to do. 99.9% of that damage is easily prevented using something
waaaaaaay less obtuse than Access security.

Funny but true story.  I had a user who had apparently taken a class
somewhere.  She told me one day that she had attempted to make a change
to one of my tables but that she couldn't make the change stick.  She
was attempting to MODIFY a field in a LINKED table.  She did not even
understand what a linked table was, nor where the real data was.

It never occurred to me that a user would even attempt to modify a table
of a database that was company property and over which she had no design
authority.  She was just a user!

No harm was done of course, but I had to have a heart to heart with her
as to what her job was.

And of course, if the company allows it (and this one doesn't) simply
setting the database properties would keep such inexpert busy fingers
out of the pie.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Hi John:

Odd questions but I would rate myself as a 4, the other stuff I have
samples on but would have to dig for the answers. The ultimate security
is simply to go to any SQL server, as far as I am concerned. MDB
security is too fragile and hackable. A couple of years back I had to
hack a few, think it was two or three, MDBs that were supposedly secure,
so the client could work on the tables after the initial programmers had
disappeared. Cracked them all...and I would not consider myself a whiz
at that stuff, it was just that MS MDB security is a little weak.

M$'s main DB security is lack of supplied information.

My two cents worth
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather
using workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a
database down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books
needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
would need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the
job done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
learn it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate
it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do
so I just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu Nov 13 15:31:54 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:31:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222756D@main2.marlow.com>

You're right.  Just starting my first cup of coffee this morning.  Was
thinking about the differenc between 97 and 2000 when it came to record
locking and for some reason was thinking that there was more detail in User
Level security.  Like I said, I've built 1 secured A2k db.  I personally
can't stand A2k, the only perk I have found that I like is VBA 6, which lets
me do customized events....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 2:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


The security works the same in later versions.  The biggest difference
is that in 2002, you have the ability to join a workgroup from the
security menu instead of having to run the workgroup administrator.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Another clarification on my 1 position.  That is for Access 97.  I must
admit to have only built one 2000 db with Access User Level security.
But 97 I can do in my sleep.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


>M$'s main DB security is lack of supplied information.

ROTFL.

And I intentionally called mine Light Weight Security precisely to avoid
any expectations that it would lock down a database against someone like
yourself.

I have discovered that:

There are hackers out there that can take down Fort Knox.  If you are
worried about them Access is not your tool. 99.9% of the day to day
damage is done by innocent users doing things they shouldn't be allowed
to do. 99.9% of that damage is easily prevented using something
waaaaaaay less obtuse than Access security.

Funny but true story.  I had a user who had apparently taken a class
somewhere.  She told me one day that she had attempted to make a change
to one of my tables but that she couldn't make the change stick.  She
was attempting to MODIFY a field in a LINKED table.  She did not even
understand what a linked table was, nor where the real data was.

It never occurred to me that a user would even attempt to modify a table
of a database that was company property and over which she had no design
authority.  She was just a user!

No harm was done of course, but I had to have a heart to heart with her
as to what her job was.

And of course, if the company allows it (and this one doesn't) simply
setting the database properties would keep such inexpert busy fingers
out of the pie.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Hi John:

Odd questions but I would rate myself as a 4, the other stuff I have
samples on but would have to dig for the answers. The ultimate security
is simply to go to any SQL server, as far as I am concerned. MDB
security is too fragile and hackable. A couple of years back I had to
hack a few, think it was two or three, MDBs that were supposedly secure,
so the client could work on the tables after the initial programmers had
disappeared. Cracked them all...and I would not consider myself a whiz
at that stuff, it was just that MS MDB security is a little weak.

M$'s main DB security is lack of supplied information.

My two cents worth
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather
using workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a
database down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books
needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
would need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the
job done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
learn it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate
it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do
so I just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 13 15:45:52 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:45:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
References: <003701c3aa1a$b5bb52d0$3c549da6@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>
Message-ID: <3FB3FB90.9060604@shaw.ca>

For those who are shocked, truely shocked. Try some of these versus your 
locked down mdbs
 From Serge Gavrilov
http://accesstools.narod.ru/index.html

 You might as well know about these. Some of them are useful. especially 
on messed up security.

Ron Moore wrote:

>I'm a 3 and regret it.  Adding new users/groups during normal working
>hours is almost impossible!  Need exclusive log in and have to bump
>everyone out.  Not a good thing.  Running to the books/help is not a
>good thing when upper management wants something quick.
>
>Ron
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
>Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:00 PM
>To: AccessD
>Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
>I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
>security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather
>using workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.
>
>Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
>
>1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a
>database down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books
>needed.
>2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
>definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
>3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
>would need help / books to do it again.
>4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
>toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the
>job done.  Books / help definitly needed.
>5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
>learn it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
>
>If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate
>it.
>
>As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
>willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do
>so I just never did it (for real).
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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>
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Thu Nov 13 17:20:29 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:20:29 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227564@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <004001c3aa3c$ba60eda0$fabb9a89@DDICK>

Hi Drew 
Thanks for the reply
I mean setting permissions, creating users and groups, changing passwords, etc,
as you suggested.

Basically she would like interfacing with Access Security and totally managing, at every
level via a browser, whatever you can manage whilst sitting directly in from of the System.mdw file

In relation to John Colby's Poll on Access Security I am a 14. Never touched the stuff and
am vaguely aware that it exists. So if it seems I am asking the impossible because I don't know
any better it's because...I don't know any better :-))

Many thanks for the reply

Darren


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 5:40 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser


> What do you mean Darren.  Do you mean like setting permissions, creating
> users and groups, changing passwords, etc?  Or simply logging into a secured
> database?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:48 PM
> To: AccessD List
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser
> 
> 
> Hello all
> I have a Web Developer friend asking me if anyone knows of some useful
> URL's that will show how to or give examples of administering Access
> security via a browser.
> 
> She has Access Security implemented and can administer it fine from the
> local PC via the
> 'normal' means, she just wants to do it via the web 
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Darren
> 
> 
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Thu Nov 13 19:35:19 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:35:19 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
Message-ID: <012f01c3aa4f$913ce010$fabb9a89@DDICK>

Hello all
Is there a way to determine the current sub name once you are in it then display it
Is there a Current Sub Property? etc

eg  (PSEUDO Code)
Private Sub MySub()
Msgbox "My Sub Name is " & Application.SubName
End sub

Many thanks in advance

Darren


From accma at sympatico.ca  Thu Nov 13 20:55:44 2003
From: accma at sympatico.ca (Annie Courchesne, cma)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:55:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K developer
Message-ID: <KDEJKGIHACGNMDOBHMICEEEPFGAA.accma@sympatico.ca>

Hi guys,

It?s been a while since I?ve posted here


A customer of mine as asked that I convert an A2K database to a A2K runtime
so he doesn?t have to buy 20+ licences of A2K.  I?m trying to find a A2K
developer (or Office 2K developer I think) so I can do this but my usual
software provider doesn?t have it.  Anyone as any idea where I could get
that.

Thanks a lot!


Annie Courchesne, CMA


From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Thu Nov 13 20:40:37 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:40:37 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F29088507@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Darren

A common way to do this (this means I saw a guru do it so I copied him <g>) relies on inserting in each module at initial design time the following line of code:

Private Const thisModuleName As String = "basWhatever"

Not very swept up sorry!

Stephen Bond



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> Sent: Friday, 14 November 2003 2:35 p.m.
> To: AccessD List
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
> 
> 
> Hello all
> Is there a way to determine the current sub name once you are 
> in it then display it
> Is there a Current Sub Property? etc
> 
> eg  (PSEUDO Code)
> Private Sub MySub()
> Msgbox "My Sub Name is " & Application.SubName
> End sub
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Darren
> 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Thu Nov 13 20:45:30 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:45:30 +1300
Subject: FW: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F29088508@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Which means is that you would have to put the line in each SUB.   Not very elegant, what?

Stephen

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Bond 
> Sent: Friday, 14 November 2003 3:41 p.m.
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
> 
> 
> Darren
> 
> A common way to do this (this means I saw a guru do it so I 
> copied him <g>) relies on inserting in each module at initial 
> design time the following line of code:
> 
> Private Const thisModuleName As String = "basWhatever"
> 
> Not very swept up sorry!
> 
> Stephen Bond
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> > Sent: Friday, 14 November 2003 2:35 p.m.
> > To: AccessD List
> > Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
> > 
> > 
> > Hello all
> > Is there a way to determine the current sub name once you are 
> > in it then display it
> > Is there a Current Sub Property? etc
> > 
> > eg  (PSEUDO Code)
> > Private Sub MySub()
> > Msgbox "My Sub Name is " & Application.SubName
> > End sub
> > 
> > Many thanks in advance
> > 
> > Darren
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 

From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Thu Nov 13 21:49:12 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:49:12 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K developer
References: <KDEJKGIHACGNMDOBHMICEEEPFGAA.accma@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <001101c3aa62$44bbef70$6401a8c0@user>

Hi Annie - have you tried Ebay?

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Annie Courchesne, cma 
  To: Accessd 
  Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 1:55 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] A2K developer


  Hi guys,

  It's been a while since I've posted here.

  A customer of mine as asked that I convert an A2K database to a A2K runtime
  so he doesn't have to buy 20+ licences of A2K.  I'm trying to find a A2K
  developer (or Office 2K developer I think) so I can do this but my usual
  software provider doesn't have it.  Anyone as any idea where I could get
  that.

  Thanks a lot!


  Annie Courchesne, CMA

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  AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
  Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 13 21:56:57 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:56:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMEAHENAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMEMHCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

OT

John,

I will have you know that I was a fully certified SCO reseller and trainer,
at one time. Mind you that was almost fifteen years ago and I having a tough
time setting up Samba on an old beater-box using 5.2 Red Hat linux. Do you
have a 5.2 pre-built floating around that you would like to send me?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Hi Jim,
I'll bet you can't write about "SCO Unix" on too many lists anymore without
getting flamed!
:o)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> (AccessD)
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:01 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> Hi All:
>
> This security thing can go a little overboard. If your applications have
> sensitive data and provides access from the general public no one
> will ever
> use a standard computer terminal and Access's MDB as the BE, it
> is just too
> flaky.
>
> SCO Unix had a 'Yellow Book' setting that when toggled basically made the
> system inaccessible and consumed all the system resources monitoring every
> access, every task performed and continually validated every
> user, again and
> again. The system now became a monster to handle and even to do
> the simplest
> of tasks, for the systems guy, could take an hour. (Everyone in
> that office
> was delighted when the data was backed up and the server was
> reformatted and
> the system re-installed.)
>
> My point is, that sometimes super tight security is a waste of
> time. A good
> talk by the office manager on how he/she will whack the first person who
> screws with things, without authorization, is the best security of all.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Elam, Debbie
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:08 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> 2
>
> Have had a whole series of HR databases with sensitive data that needs
> locked tight.  It takes me a while and I avoid it if I can.  Secured
> databases are a PITA.  I inherited a database locked so tight it was darn
> near impenetrable.  All of this for info that was common knowledge in the
> workplace and not all that sensitive outside it.  The thing is nearly
> impossible to modify or troubleshoot and I would love to give the guy that
> wrote this a piece of my mind.
>
> Debbie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: 13 November 2003 01:00
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
> security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather using
> workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.
>
> Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
>
> 1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a database
> down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
> 2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
> definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
> 3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying
> project.  I would
> need help / books to do it again.
> 4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to
> shoot a toe
> off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
> done.  Books / help definitly needed.
> 5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I
> go to learn
> it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
>
> If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate it.
>
> As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
> willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn
> / do so I
> just never did it (for real).
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 13 22:05:06 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:05:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227568@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFCEMICPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Drew:

That is the whole issue surround Access security, is that a fully exposed
MDB is very hackable. If the DB can be hidden behind a ASP FE or simply
replaced with another remote BE, some other SQL, the whole security issue is
non-starter and hardly has to be addresses at all.

In my humble opinion.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Actually, an .mdb can be made VERY secure by using ASP as a front end.  The
problem with using Access or even VB for a front end, is that you need to
have direct access to the back end.  So if user XYZ is logged on, XYZ needs
permission to have direct Access to the .mdb AND the .mdw.  However, if you
use ASP as the Front End, so the user is using their browser to access the
db, then the users can be completely stripped of access to the .mdb itself.
In fact, if you store the .mdb on the IIS server, and you don't even have to
have share access to it.  Sure, you're then relying on NT security, but you
can button that down pretty tight.  So you can keep the .mdb and the .mdw at
an 'unavailable' location.

I've used Access User Level security quite a bit, I don't find it difficult
at all (partly due to so many similarities between it and NT security).
However, it is a pretty fallible system.  With enough time and resources,
and it can be cracked.  Actually for $40 (last time I checked), you can
crack any .mdb, as long as you have a copy of the .mdw with the
administrative accounts in it.  Even with a solid knowledge of Access User
Level security, you are still dependant upon the users ignorance for it to
be secure.  With what I was talking about with an ASP front end, you are
taking the level of security to a point where a SERIOUS hacker would be
required to get at whatever you want protected.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


But seriously there are some apps, like the HR apps (someone, I forget who,
wrote in about) where you want it real secure.

But even in that case, passwording the back end and maybe encrypting it,
with some additional restrictions in the front end like I use and then
making an mde would seem to do the trick without having to get mixed up in
all that mdw stuff.

Rocky

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From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> Hahahahahahahahahah....sorry.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> > Hi Rocky
> >
> > So why is JC's world so much different from yours and mine??
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > > Had to fool with it once on a legacy app and got around it.  But it
was
> a
> > > big PITA.
> >
> > > I generally roll my own by having the user log in with a password.
They
> get
> > > one of three levels of access to the whole system - 1) read only, 2)
> > > read/write, 3) admin.  I put their access level in a global variable.
> Each
> > > form has to check the access level then to see if they are allowed to
do
> a
> > > certain function.  So far, the three levels have been adequate and no
> one
> > > except for one client has wanted function of field level control.
> >
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Thu Nov 13 22:21:32 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:51:32 +1030
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A548@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Don't know of any inbuilt function, but another (painful) workaround..

Since you must know the name when you call it, I guess you could include an
'optional' parameter in each sub you are using and calling it this way..

*********************************
Call MySub('MySub')
*********************************

Then for your actual Sub:

*********************************
Sub MySub (Optional myName as string)

     Debug.Print ("My name is " & myName)

End Sub
*********************************

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
Sent: Friday, 14 November 2003 1:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name


Darren

A common way to do this (this means I saw a guru do it so I copied him <g>)
relies on inserting in each module at initial design time the following line
of code:

Private Const thisModuleName As String = "basWhatever"

Not very swept up sorry!

Stephen Bond



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> Sent: Friday, 14 November 2003 2:35 p.m.
> To: AccessD List
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
> 
> 
> Hello all
> Is there a way to determine the current sub name once you are 
> in it then display it
> Is there a Current Sub Property? etc
> 
> eg  (PSEUDO Code)
> Private Sub MySub()
> Msgbox "My Sub Name is " & Application.SubName
> End sub
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Darren
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov 13 22:23:43 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:23:43 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
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I doubt it very much (unless you embed the name in a string). Once the 
code is compiled, the name is no longer there, just a pointer to a code 
location.


On 14 Nov 2003 at 12:35, Darren DICK wrote:

> Hello all
> Is there a way to determine the current sub name once you are in it then display it
> Is there a Current Sub Property? etc
> 
> eg  (PSEUDO Code)
> Private Sub MySub()
> Msgbox "My Sub Name is " & Application.SubName
> End sub
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Nov 13 23:04:19 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:04:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMEMHCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEFBFFAA.john@winhaven.net>

Jim,
Oh sure. I'll send it right over. I installed it duel boot on my UnixWare
machine.
<BIG GRIN>
NOT

I used to be a SysAdmin for AT&T Unix version 3.2.(something or or other)
and then had to move to UnixWare version 4? (IIRC-whatever version it was
the first version of Novell "UnixWare"). "THAT was sure a good idea on their
part" <smirking cynically> I would have loved an SCO system! I tried really
hard to get one but just couldn't swing it. And I didn't have the hardware
for Sun (pre-Solaris).
I actually came into the NT world because when we were starting our GIS
pilot project and we wanted it to be hosted on Unixware so I would admin
everything the same. Funny thing is we couldn't find one that would run on
UnixWare so we went with Intergraph (who had their own Unix called Clipper).
The project finally got approved and right about then Intergraph made this
wild leap into porting everything to Windows NT and we had to go with it.
They were the first really big company to support NT and they suffered for
it for a long time. NT 3.1 and even 3.5 were pretty horrible. NT 3.51 was
really the first stable version of the product IMHO. But even then you had
to deal with the horrible Windows 3.1 GUI. NT 4 was a slice of heaven! I
actually ran my GIS Pilot project on NT 3.51, NT 4 with the attribute data
held in an Informix SE v5 RDBMS on UnixWare. Nobody could believe it worked.
I do believe it was the only configuration like that in the world-ever :o)
We used to tell Intergraph Support (the local Intergraph guys idea) that it
was an SCO box and just make little changes here and there where things were
different between UnixWare and SCO. Never had any data loss and other than
the initial connection time (about a minute) it ran as fast as anything I've
ever worked on. I did that (UnixWare-SysAdmin/NT-Admin/RDBMS-Admin/GIS Pilot
Project Manager) for 4 years. Plus I supported all of the dept.
desktops/programs and three CADD stations. Never a dull moment. I don't
think I ever listed that all before. No wonder I got burned out and can't
remember anything anymore! BTW what were we discussing?

John B.
"slap-happy tired"

http://www.w2knews.com/rd/rd.cfm?id=031110FA-Inner_Geek

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> (AccessD)
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:57 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> OT
>
> John,
>
> I will have you know that I was a fully certified SCO reseller
> and trainer,
> at one time. Mind you that was almost fifteen years ago and I
> having a tough
> time setting up Samba on an old beater-box using 5.2 Red Hat linux. Do you
> have a 5.2 pre-built floating around that you would like to send me?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:29 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> Hi Jim,
> I'll bet you can't write about "SCO Unix" on too many lists
> anymore without
> getting flamed!
> :o)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> > (AccessD)
> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:01 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> >
> >
> > Hi All:
> >
> > This security thing can go a little overboard. If your applications have
> > sensitive data and provides access from the general public no one
> > will ever
> > use a standard computer terminal and Access's MDB as the BE, it
> > is just too
> > flaky.
> >
> > SCO Unix had a 'Yellow Book' setting that when toggled
> basically made the
> > system inaccessible and consumed all the system resources
> monitoring every
> > access, every task performed and continually validated every
> > user, again and
> > again. The system now became a monster to handle and even to do
> > the simplest
> > of tasks, for the systems guy, could take an hour. (Everyone in
> > that office
> > was delighted when the data was backed up and the server was
> > reformatted and
> > the system re-installed.)
> >
> > My point is, that sometimes super tight security is a waste of
> > time. A good
> > talk by the office manager on how he/she will whack the first person who
> > screws with things, without authorization, is the best security of all.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Elam, Debbie
> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:08 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> >
> >
> > 2
> >
> > Have had a whole series of HR databases with sensitive data that needs
> > locked tight.  It takes me a while and I avoid it if I can.  Secured
> > databases are a PITA.  I inherited a database locked so tight
> it was darn
> > near impenetrable.  All of this for info that was common
> knowledge in the
> > workplace and not all that sensitive outside it.  The thing is nearly
> > impossible to modify or troubleshoot and I would love to give
> the guy that
> > wrote this a piece of my mind.
> >
> > Debbie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> > Sent: 13 November 2003 01:00
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
> >
> >
> > I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
> > security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties,
> rather using
> > workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.
> >
> > Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:
> >
> > 1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock
> a database
> > down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books needed.
> > 2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
> > definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
> > 3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying
> > project.  I would
> > need help / books to do it again.
> > 4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to
> > shoot a toe
> > off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the job
> > done.  Books / help definitly needed.
> > 5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I
> > go to learn
> > it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?
> >
> > If you would please just select a number and reply I would
> appreciate it.
> >
> > As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
> > willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn
> > / do so I
> > just never did it (for real).
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 13 23:07:30 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:07:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
In-Reply-To: <012f01c3aa4f$913ce010$fabb9a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEOOFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Darren,

The VBEErrorHandler error handler wizard can do this for you but as everyone
else is stating, it isn't pretty.  There seems to be simply no way to just
"know" the function name, no variable you can go to etc.  Ken Gets et al
(ADH) uses two classes, one that holds info about the current sub and
another that holds a collection of those classes.

IOW, code is inserted in each function which instantiates a class on entry
and tears it down on exit.  These are stored in a collection.  What this
gives you is a very slick call path, i.e. how did I get here?  Or that's the
theory anyway.  Given the asynchronous nature of Access, with code running
and then the user clicking on things, email being received and firing
outlook events etc. I think this whole concept could get confusing real
fast.

But it exists if you want to look at it.  Go to DatabaseAdvisors.com and go
to the downloads. http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.htm

click VBErrorHandler and install it.  I use it daily for my error handlers
anyway, the call stack tracing is just a little bonus I threw in when I
specifically needed it once.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:35 PM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name


Hello all
Is there a way to determine the current sub name once you are in it then
display it
Is there a Current Sub Property? etc

eg  (PSEUDO Code)
Private Sub MySub()
Msgbox "My Sub Name is " & Application.SubName
End sub

Many thanks in advance

Darren

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Nov 14 01:39:21 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:39:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DD3@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I conclude.
(at client locations).

The user managment is insufficient from the workgrou file anyway.
Where you gnna put other data , like first, last, Dateinservice, direct
e-mail, private address, native language, date of birth.

I find for user management U most forget the workgroup and create your
own.
I don't have any form level security in my apps (next to a common
password for some functions) but that would be probably something I
goooing to be needing one day.

Erwin


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Francisco H Tapia
Verzonden: donderdag 13 november 2003 20:14
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)


<shaking head in disbelief>  No no no no no.... the system.mdw SHOULD
NEVER BE TOUCHED.  This is just bad practice... while it makes it
incredibly convenient for a one database solution, when you begin adding
new databases they automatically go and seek the permissions from the
system.mdw, therefore all settings in that db are inherently applied to
the new databases.

Again this is all fine if you're doing this to one database for one
organization and even while you're the current developer.  But what
happens when a new guy takes over or if you are given an mdb for another
database.  You'll see weird errors that you wouldn't should you not have
messed w/ the original System.mdw.  Additionally other developers
following the Security FAQ will develop against their copy of the mdw.  

Of course I know you're the main / only? developer for access apps w/
your organization.  But things can not always be so smooth.


-- 
-Francisco


Drew Wutka wrote:

>Personally, my favorite setup is to use the system.mdw for users, and 
>an 'admin' .mdw for development/maintenance.  That way, the only 
>'special' shortcuts I need is for administrators of the database.  Of 
>course that method only works if you can clump all of the 'users' in 
>one pile.  If the users need to be split up by their capabilities, you 
>can't use that method.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
>Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:40 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] workgroup file (Sec Poll spin-off)
>
>
>I believe I'm not with with you....
>
>First, to set thing strait. It's only in our office for develepmont I'm

>speaking.
>
>Second.
>You mean you have a shorcut that starts msaccess.exe with /workgroup 
>xxx? Problem with that is that you need a hard path to msaccess.exe and

>hard paths is something I try to avoid.
>I always use roaming profiles and hard paths can problematic.
>I supose solutions are out there, but I already played alot with them
>and they are often OS dependent.
>
>You know, Gustav, It's not that a big deal...
>It's rarely I do a repair...
>
>And I don't use workgroups anymore at customer sites.
>I use the network user name and match them with the users in the 
>database (user management based on tables/forms). If a network user is 
>unkown in the database it exits instantly (after a msgbox).
>
>
>Erwin
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
>Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:21 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
>Hi Erwin
>
>In my opinion it is not a good idea to have a special mdw assigned as 
>the default. I have a shortcut for such an Access with the wkrgrp 
>switch opening a secured database.
>
>/gustav
>
>
>  
>
>>I know...I know...
>>At least I supose you mean that you can give msaccess.exe an /wrkgrp
>>command line option. Or use the /profile and a profile file.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>I only use MDW for developing purposes indside the office and just
>>want it always to be my company.mdw group...
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Specifying company.mdw for default gets reset to system.mdw in the
>>user profile folder.... Or is it in the program Files/common folder...
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>?
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Don't bother, I just overcopy all system.mdw with company.mdw...
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>
>>Erwin
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
>>Brock
>>Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:56 PM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>
>>Hi Erwin
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>You can supply your app with your own mdw, say erwin.mdw. Office won't
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>overwrite that. For that kind of apps we create shortcuts (menu
>>entries) which makes it easy for the user to open the app with the 
>>needed command line.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>/gustav
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>>.. I want to add that a office repair each time reset or overwrites 
>>>your MDW file).
>>>      
>>>


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Nov 14 01:42:54 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:42:54 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF7246@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I believe not...

Erwin

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Darren DICK
Verzonden: vrijdag 14 november 2003 2:35
Aan: AccessD List
Onderwerp: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name


Hello all
Is there a way to determine the current sub name once you are in it then
display it Is there a Current Sub Property? etc

eg  (PSEUDO Code)
Private Sub MySub()
Msgbox "My Sub Name is " & Application.SubName
End sub

Many thanks in advance

Darren

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 14 02:15:09 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:15:09 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
In-Reply-To: <012f01c3aa4f$913ce010$fabb9a89@DDICK>
References: <012f01c3aa4f$913ce010$fabb9a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <1621596745.20031114091509@cactus.dk>

Hi Darren

At least you can retrieve the name of the module ...:

<code>

Public Sub ModuleName()

  Dim strModuleName  As String
  
  On Error Resume Next
  strModuleName = Null
  strModuleName = Err.Source
  
  MsgBox strModuleName
  
End Sub

</code>

/gustav


> Is there a way to determine the current sub name once you are in it then display it
> Is there a Current Sub Property? etc

> eg  (PSEUDO Code)
> Private Sub MySub()
> Msgbox "My Sub Name is " & Application.SubName
> End sub

> Many thanks in advance

> Darren


From lists at jbsolutions.com.au  Fri Nov 14 02:23:44 2003
From: lists at jbsolutions.com.au (Joshua B)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:23:44 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
Message-ID: <200311140823.hAE8Ng607489@databaseadvisors.com>

Hello Darren DICK,

If you have the A2K Developers Error Handler add-in, you may be able to automate the process of "recording" the current sub name in each procedure. See, in the default setup of the add-in, it includes a line in each procedure as follows...

MsgBox "Error " & Err.Number & ": " & Err.Description, vbCritical, ModuleName.ProcedureName

So in theory, you should be able to setup an Error Handler template that doesnt really handle errors, but adds a line into each procedure like so

glblRunningProcedure = ModuleName.ProcedureName

Still not a pretty solution, but easier than doing it by hand....

======= At 2003-11-14, 12:35:00 you wrote: =======

>Hello all
>Is there a way to determine the current sub name once you are in it then display it
>Is there a Current Sub Property? etc
>
>eg  (PSEUDO Code)
>Private Sub MySub()
>Msgbox "My Sub Name is " & Application.SubName
>End sub
>
>Many thanks in advance
>
>Darren
>
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= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
			

Best regards.				 
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2003-11-14




From caa at highway.com.br  Fri Nov 14 02:56:53 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 06:56:53 -0200
Subject: [AccessD] Distinguishing Key Press
In-Reply-To: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801079B@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
References: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801079B@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <oprymds3vyeuy8y3@localhost>

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:52:50 -0700, Gowey Mike W 
<Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us> wrote:

> What I need it to do is if the Tab key is pressed to move to the next
> field, if the Enter key is pressed to save the record and than print a
> label of the information.
>
> This is a mail tracking database, in the form they are able to enter the
> information on the piece of mail that is coming in, lots of times the
> same publication comes in, so they fill out all the imformation on the
> publication once and all they want to be able to do is change the number
> of the reciepient and be able to press enter and the label for the
> distribution of the publication/Piece of mail is printed.  If they need
> to change any information than pressing the Tab key will allow this.
>
> I hope that makes better sense or maybe I am just muttering
>
> Mike
>

Take a look at help for "KeyPreview Property"!!!
HTH,
-- 
**************************************
* Carlos Alberto Alves               *
* Child Neurologist                  *
* Systems Analyst/Programmer         *
* Rio de Janeiro, Brazil             *
* mailto:caa at highway.com.br          *
**************************************

From caa at highway.com.br  Fri Nov 14 02:57:17 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 06:57:17 -0200
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <PBEDKHOENPLNGHCEPCDPGEJEDEAA.Robert@servicexp.com>
References: <PBEDKHOENPLNGHCEPCDPGEJEDEAA.Robert@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <oprymdtrh2euy8y3@localhost>

4 for myself. I have always used .MDE files with a single password to 
login.
-- 
**************************************
* Carlos Alberto Alves               *
* Child Neurologist                  *
* Systems Analyst/Programmer         *
* Rio de Janeiro, Brazil             *
* mailto:caa at highway.com.br          *
**************************************

From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Fri Nov 14 03:12:54 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:12:54 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] FW: A2K developer
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188047C6753@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Forwarded mail below....
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Annie Courchesne, cma [mailto:annie.courchesne at sympatico.ca] 
Sent: 14 November 2003 02:52
To: Accessd
Subject: A2K developer


Hi guys,
 
It's been a while since I've posted here...
 
A customer of mine as asked that I convert an A2K database to a A2K runtime
so he doesn't have to buy 20+ licences of A2K.  I'm trying to find a A2K
developer (or Office 2K developer I think) so I can do this but my usual
software provider doesn't have it.  Anyone as any idea where I could get
that.
 
Thanks a lot!
 
 
Annie Courchesne, CMA
 

From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Fri Nov 14 07:01:31 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:01:31 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C95C@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I have the below code on a form that is used to open another form filtered
to the selected Engineer's name. The user selects their name from a combobox
(UserID), if the document status is open, or pending, or in progress, the
frmSystemFailure opens filtered to show their open documents.
 
If there are not any open EFRs for the selected Engineer, the form is still
opening, but it is blank. It is not giving the MsgBox, No Open EFRs....
 
What is wrong that the form is opening blank instead of giving the MsgBox?
 
Virginia
 
 
stDocName = "frmSystemFailure"
    stLinkCriteria = "[EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 1" &
_
    "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 2" & _
    "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 4"
           
    ' Check whether the user has any EFRs open. If they do, open the
    ' form with a filter.
On Error Resume Next
    If DCount("FailureReportNo", "tblSystemMain", stLinkCriteria) Then
        DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
    Else
        'DisplayMessage "No open EFRs"
        MsgBox "No open EFRs for " &
Forms![frmUpdateEFRs]![UserID].Column(1)
    End If


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Nov 14 06:09:13 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:09:13 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
Message-ID: <20031114130910.2949B24EB90@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

Virginia
You need to test If DCount(etc)>0. You've omitted the >0 part.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
Date: 14/11/03 19:04


I have the below code on a form that is used to open another form filtered
to the selected Engineer's name. The user selects their name from a combobox
(UserID), if the document status is open, or pending, or in progress, the
frmSystemFailure opens filtered to show their open documents.

If there are not any open EFRs for the selected Engineer, the form is still
opening, but it is blank. It is not giving the MsgBox, No Open EFRs....

What is wrong that the form is opening blank instead of giving the MsgBox?

Virginia


stDocName = "frmSystemFailure"
stLinkCriteria = "[EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 1" &
_
"Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 2" & _
"Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 4"

' Check whether the user has any EFRs open. If they do, open the
' form with a filter.
On Error Resume Next
If DCount("FailureReportNo", "tblSystemMain", stLinkCriteria) Then
DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
Else
'DisplayMessage "No open EFRs"
MsgBox "No open EFRs for " &
Forms![frmUpdateEFRs]![UserID].Column(1)
End If

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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Fri Nov 14 07:15:22 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:15:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C95D@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I tried making a query & using this code. In the query I set the StatusID to
show only open & EngineerID = Forms!frmSystemFailure.EngineerID.

If there are not any open EFRs for the Engineer, the message box shows, but
I get an error, that it can't find frmSystemFailure.

Function NoOpenEng()
    If DCount("*", "qryStatusEng") > 0 Then 'gives the number of records
returned by the query
        DoCmd.OpenForm "frmSystemFailure", acNormal, "qryStatusPendingEng",
Forms!frmUpdateEFRs.UserID = Forms!frmSystemFailure.EngineerID, acFormEdit,
acWindowNormal
    Else
        MsgBox "No Open EFRs"
    End If
End Function

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:02 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form


I have the below code on a form that is used to open another form filtered
to the selected Engineer's name. The user selects their name from a combobox
(UserID), if the document status is open, or pending, or in progress, the
frmSystemFailure opens filtered to show their open documents.
 
If there are not any open EFRs for the selected Engineer, the form is still
opening, but it is blank. It is not giving the MsgBox, No Open EFRs....
 
What is wrong that the form is opening blank instead of giving the MsgBox?
 
Virginia
 
 
stDocName = "frmSystemFailure"
    stLinkCriteria = "[EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 1" &
_
    "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 2" & _
    "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 4"
           
    ' Check whether the user has any EFRs open. If they do, open the
    ' form with a filter.
On Error Resume Next
    If DCount("FailureReportNo", "tblSystemMain", stLinkCriteria) Then
        DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
    Else
        'DisplayMessage "No open EFRs"
        MsgBox "No open EFRs for " &
Forms![frmUpdateEFRs]![UserID].Column(1)
    End If

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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Fri Nov 14 07:17:15 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:17:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C95E@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Sorry about that - typo on the query.

I set the query EngineerID = frmUpdateEFR.EngineerID

frmUpdateEFR is the form with the combobox for selecting the Engineer's name
to open frmSystemFailure and view the open EFRs.

Totally confused yet?

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form


I tried making a query & using this code. In the query I set the StatusID to
show only open & EngineerID = Forms!frmSystemFailure.EngineerID.

If there are not any open EFRs for the Engineer, the message box shows, but
I get an error, that it can't find frmSystemFailure.

Function NoOpenEng()
    If DCount("*", "qryStatusEng") > 0 Then 'gives the number of records
returned by the query
        DoCmd.OpenForm "frmSystemFailure", acNormal, "qryStatusPendingEng",
Forms!frmUpdateEFRs.UserID = Forms!frmSystemFailure.EngineerID, acFormEdit,
acWindowNormal
    Else
        MsgBox "No Open EFRs"
    End If
End Function

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:02 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form


I have the below code on a form that is used to open another form filtered
to the selected Engineer's name. The user selects their name from a combobox
(UserID), if the document status is open, or pending, or in progress, the
frmSystemFailure opens filtered to show their open documents.
 
If there are not any open EFRs for the selected Engineer, the form is still
opening, but it is blank. It is not giving the MsgBox, No Open EFRs....
 
What is wrong that the form is opening blank instead of giving the MsgBox?
 
Virginia
 
 
stDocName = "frmSystemFailure"
    stLinkCriteria = "[EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 1" &
_
    "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 2" & _
    "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 4"
           
    ' Check whether the user has any EFRs open. If they do, open the
    ' form with a filter.
On Error Resume Next
    If DCount("FailureReportNo", "tblSystemMain", stLinkCriteria) Then
        DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
    Else
        'DisplayMessage "No open EFRs"
        MsgBox "No open EFRs for " &
Forms![frmUpdateEFRs]![UserID].Column(1)
    End If

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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Fri Nov 14 07:19:06 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:19:06 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C95F@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I tried that already, & it still opens a blank form.

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Don't Open Form


Virginia
You need to test If DCount(etc)>0. You've omitted the >0 part.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
Date: 14/11/03 19:04


I have the below code on a form that is used to open another form filtered
to the selected Engineer's name. The user selects their name from a combobox
(UserID), if the document status is open, or pending, or in progress, the
frmSystemFailure opens filtered to show their open documents.

If there are not any open EFRs for the selected Engineer, the form is still
opening, but it is blank. It is not giving the MsgBox, No Open EFRs....

What is wrong that the form is opening blank instead of giving the MsgBox?

Virginia


stDocName = "frmSystemFailure"
stLinkCriteria = "[EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 1" &
_
"Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 2" & _
"Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 4"

' Check whether the user has any EFRs open. If they do, open the
' form with a filter.
On Error Resume Next
If DCount("FailureReportNo", "tblSystemMain", stLinkCriteria) Then
DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
Else
'DisplayMessage "No open EFRs"
MsgBox "No open EFRs for " &
Forms![frmUpdateEFRs]![UserID].Column(1)
End If

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 14 07:38:38 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:38:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C95F@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C95F@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <9021005924.20031114143838@cactus.dk>

Hi Virginia

Well, how about uncommenting that error line and debug the criteria
and the output of DCount:

  Rem On Error Resume Next
  Debug.Print stLinkCriteria
  Debug.Print DCount("FailureReportNo", "tblSystemMain", stLinkCriteria)

/gustav


> I tried that already, & it still opens a blank form.

> Virginia

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Don't Open Form


> Virginia
> You need to test If DCount(etc)>0. You've omitted the >0 part.
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
> Date: 14/11/03 19:04


> I have the below code on a form that is used to open another form filtered
> to the selected Engineer's name. The user selects their name from a combobox
> (UserID), if the document status is open, or pending, or in progress, the
> frmSystemFailure opens filtered to show their open documents.

> If there are not any open EFRs for the selected Engineer, the form is still
> opening, but it is blank. It is not giving the MsgBox, No Open EFRs....

> What is wrong that the form is opening blank instead of giving the MsgBox?

> Virginia


> stDocName = "frmSystemFailure"
> stLinkCriteria = "[EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 1" &
> _
> "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 2" & _
> "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 4"

> ' Check whether the user has any EFRs open. If they do, open the
> ' form with a filter.
> On Error Resume Next
> If DCount("FailureReportNo", "tblSystemMain", stLinkCriteria) Then
> DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
> Else
> 'DisplayMessage "No open EFRs"
> MsgBox "No open EFRs for " &
> Forms![frmUpdateEFRs]![UserID].Column(1)
> End If


From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Fri Nov 14 07:42:53 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:42:53 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C95F@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c3aab5$3acc35d0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

You get a blank form if the underlying record source is empty.  As Andy
mentioned, you need to test for the recordcount and if 0 warn the user and
either don't open the form, or if the test is in the form itself close
gracefully.

Alternatively you could go the main/subform approach, where the main form uses
the userid and the subform lists all open documents with the userid.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Friday, 14 November, 2003 9:19 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
>
>
> I tried that already, & it still opens a blank form.
>
> Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
>
>
> Virginia
> You need to test If DCount(etc)>0. You've omitted the >0 part.
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
> Date: 14/11/03 19:04
>
>
> I have the below code on a form that is used to open another
> form filtered
> to the selected Engineer's name. The user selects their name
> from a combobox
> (UserID), if the document status is open, or pending, or in
> progress, the
> frmSystemFailure opens filtered to show their open documents.
>
> If there are not any open EFRs for the selected Engineer, the
> form is still
> opening, but it is blank. It is not giving the MsgBox, No
> Open EFRs....
>
> What is wrong that the form is opening blank instead of
> giving the MsgBox?
>
> Virginia
>
>
> stDocName = "frmSystemFailure"
> stLinkCriteria = "[EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND
> [StatusID] = 1" &
> _
> "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 2" & _
> "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 4"
>
> ' Check whether the user has any EFRs open. If they do, open the
> ' form with a filter.
> On Error Resume Next
> If DCount("FailureReportNo", "tblSystemMain", stLinkCriteria) Then
> DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
> Else
> 'DisplayMessage "No open EFRs"
> MsgBox "No open EFRs for " &
> Forms![frmUpdateEFRs]![UserID].Column(1)
> End If
>
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Fri Nov 14 07:47:50 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:47:50 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
In-Reply-To: <001b01c3aab5$3acc35d0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <001c01c3aab5$e5c7e0b0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Oops ... Nevermind .. Didn't read properly

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Stuart Sanders
> Sent: Friday, 14 November, 2003 9:43 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
>
>
> You get a blank form if the underlying record source is
> empty.  As Andy
> mentioned, you need to test for the recordcount and if 0 warn
> the user and
> either don't open the form, or if the test is in the form itself close
> gracefully.
>
> Alternatively you could go the main/subform approach, where
> the main form uses
> the userid and the subform lists all open documents with the userid.
>
> Stuart
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Hollis,Virginia
> > Sent: Friday, 14 November, 2003 9:19 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
> >
> >
> > I tried that already, & it still opens a blank form.
> >
> > Virginia
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:09 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
> >
> >
> > Virginia
> > You need to test If DCount(etc)>0. You've omitted the >0 part.
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --------- Original Message --------
> > From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
> > Date: 14/11/03 19:04
> >
> >
> > I have the below code on a form that is used to open another
> > form filtered
> > to the selected Engineer's name. The user selects their name
> > from a combobox
> > (UserID), if the document status is open, or pending, or in
> > progress, the
> > frmSystemFailure opens filtered to show their open documents.
> >
> > If there are not any open EFRs for the selected Engineer, the
> > form is still
> > opening, but it is blank. It is not giving the MsgBox, No
> > Open EFRs....
> >
> > What is wrong that the form is opening blank instead of
> > giving the MsgBox?
> >
> > Virginia
> >
> >
> > stDocName = "frmSystemFailure"
> > stLinkCriteria = "[EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND
> > [StatusID] = 1" &
> > _
> > "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 2" & _
> > "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 4"
> >
> > ' Check whether the user has any EFRs open. If they do, open the
> > ' form with a filter.
> > On Error Resume Next
> > If DCount("FailureReportNo", "tblSystemMain", stLinkCriteria) Then
> > DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
> > Else
> > 'DisplayMessage "No open EFRs"
> > MsgBox "No open EFRs for " &
> > Forms![frmUpdateEFRs]![UserID].Column(1)
> > End If
> >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 14 07:51:11 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:51:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
In-Reply-To: <001b01c3aab5$3acc35d0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEABFLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Are you manipulating the AllowEdit property?  I have seen AllowEdit false
(for the form) cause blank forms.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 8:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form


You get a blank form if the underlying record source is empty.  As Andy
mentioned, you need to test for the recordcount and if 0 warn the user and
either don't open the form, or if the test is in the form itself close
gracefully.

Alternatively you could go the main/subform approach, where the main form
uses
the userid and the subform lists all open documents with the userid.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Friday, 14 November, 2003 9:19 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
>
>
> I tried that already, & it still opens a blank form.
>
> Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
>
>
> Virginia
> You need to test If DCount(etc)>0. You've omitted the >0 part.
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
> Date: 14/11/03 19:04
>
>
> I have the below code on a form that is used to open another
> form filtered
> to the selected Engineer's name. The user selects their name
> from a combobox
> (UserID), if the document status is open, or pending, or in
> progress, the
> frmSystemFailure opens filtered to show their open documents.
>
> If there are not any open EFRs for the selected Engineer, the
> form is still
> opening, but it is blank. It is not giving the MsgBox, No
> Open EFRs....
>
> What is wrong that the form is opening blank instead of
> giving the MsgBox?
>
> Virginia
>
>
> stDocName = "frmSystemFailure"
> stLinkCriteria = "[EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND
> [StatusID] = 1" &
> _
> "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 2" & _
> "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 4"
>
> ' Check whether the user has any EFRs open. If they do, open the
> ' form with a filter.
> On Error Resume Next
> If DCount("FailureReportNo", "tblSystemMain", stLinkCriteria) Then
> DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
> Else
> 'DisplayMessage "No open EFRs"
> MsgBox "No open EFRs for " &
> Forms![frmUpdateEFRs]![UserID].Column(1)
> End If
>
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Fri Nov 14 08:05:55 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:05:55 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C961@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Yes, you are correct - AllowEdit = False.

Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form


Are you manipulating the AllowEdit property?  I have seen AllowEdit false
(for the form) cause blank forms.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 8:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form


You get a blank form if the underlying record source is empty.  As Andy
mentioned, you need to test for the recordcount and if 0 warn the user and
either don't open the form, or if the test is in the form itself close
gracefully.

Alternatively you could go the main/subform approach, where the main form
uses
the userid and the subform lists all open documents with the userid.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Friday, 14 November, 2003 9:19 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
>
>
> I tried that already, & it still opens a blank form.
>
> Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
>
>
> Virginia
> You need to test If DCount(etc)>0. You've omitted the >0 part.
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
> Date: 14/11/03 19:04
>
>
> I have the below code on a form that is used to open another
> form filtered
> to the selected Engineer's name. The user selects their name
> from a combobox
> (UserID), if the document status is open, or pending, or in
> progress, the
> frmSystemFailure opens filtered to show their open documents.
>
> If there are not any open EFRs for the selected Engineer, the
> form is still
> opening, but it is blank. It is not giving the MsgBox, No
> Open EFRs....
>
> What is wrong that the form is opening blank instead of
> giving the MsgBox?
>
> Virginia
>
>
> stDocName = "frmSystemFailure"
> stLinkCriteria = "[EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND
> [StatusID] = 1" &
> _
> "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 2" & _
> "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 4"
>
> ' Check whether the user has any EFRs open. If they do, open the
> ' form with a filter.
> On Error Resume Next
> If DCount("FailureReportNo", "tblSystemMain", stLinkCriteria) Then
> DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
> Else
> 'DisplayMessage "No open EFRs"
> MsgBox "No open EFRs for " &
> Forms![frmUpdateEFRs]![UserID].Column(1)
> End If
>
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>
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Fri Nov 14 08:18:05 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:18:05 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
In-Reply-To: <1621596745.20031114091509@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001d01c3aaba$1f74c090$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

While I just tried this in debug mode, I got err.Source as the name of the
database (ie from database properties).  Not the name of the module.

I tested with a class module, so I'll take a look at other modules.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Gustav Brock
> Sent: Friday, 14 November, 2003 4:15 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
>
>
> Hi Darren
>
> At least you can retrieve the name of the module ...:
>
> <code>
>
> Public Sub ModuleName()
>
>   Dim strModuleName  As String
>
>   On Error Resume Next
>   strModuleName = Null
>   strModuleName = Err.Source
>
>   MsgBox strModuleName
>
> End Sub
>
> </code>
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Is there a way to determine the current sub name once you
> are in it then display it
> > Is there a Current Sub Property? etc
>
> > eg  (PSEUDO Code)
> > Private Sub MySub()
> > Msgbox "My Sub Name is " & Application.SubName
> > End sub
>
> > Many thanks in advance
>
> > Darren
>
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Fri Nov 14 08:22:05 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:22:05 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C961@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c3aaba$ae40d7f0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Hehe ... That?s it... I remember it was something to do with empty recordset.
Last I hit it was years ago though.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Friday, 14 November, 2003 10:06 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
>
>
> Yes, you are correct - AllowEdit = False.
>
> Va.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
>
>
> Are you manipulating the AllowEdit property?  I have seen
> AllowEdit false
> (for the form) cause blank forms.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Stuart Sanders
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 8:43 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
>
>
> You get a blank form if the underlying record source is
> empty.  As Andy
> mentioned, you need to test for the recordcount and if 0 warn
> the user and
> either don't open the form, or if the test is in the form itself close
> gracefully.
>
> Alternatively you could go the main/subform approach, where
> the main form
> uses
> the userid and the subform lists all open documents with the userid.
>
> Stuart
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Hollis,Virginia
> > Sent: Friday, 14 November, 2003 9:19 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
> >
> >
> > I tried that already, & it still opens a blank form.
> >
> > Virginia
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:09 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
> >
> >
> > Virginia
> > You need to test If DCount(etc)>0. You've omitted the >0 part.
> > --
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --------- Original Message --------
> > From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: [AccessD] Don't Open Form
> > Date: 14/11/03 19:04
> >
> >
> > I have the below code on a form that is used to open another
> > form filtered
> > to the selected Engineer's name. The user selects their name
> > from a combobox
> > (UserID), if the document status is open, or pending, or in
> > progress, the
> > frmSystemFailure opens filtered to show their open documents.
> >
> > If there are not any open EFRs for the selected Engineer, the
> > form is still
> > opening, but it is blank. It is not giving the MsgBox, No
> > Open EFRs....
> >
> > What is wrong that the form is opening blank instead of
> > giving the MsgBox?
> >
> > Virginia
> >
> >
> > stDocName = "frmSystemFailure"
> > stLinkCriteria = "[EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND
> > [StatusID] = 1" &
> > _
> > "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 2" & _
> > "Or [EngineerID]=" & Me![UserID] & " AND [StatusID] = 4"
> >
> > ' Check whether the user has any EFRs open. If they do, open the
> > ' form with a filter.
> > On Error Resume Next
> > If DCount("FailureReportNo", "tblSystemMain", stLinkCriteria) Then
> > DoCmd.OpenForm stDocName, , , stLinkCriteria
> > Else
> > 'DisplayMessage "No open EFRs"
> > MsgBox "No open EFRs for " &
> > Forms![frmUpdateEFRs]![UserID].Column(1)
> > End If
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 14 08:28:16 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:28:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
In-Reply-To: <001d01c3aaba$1f74c090$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
References: <001d01c3aaba$1f74c090$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <8123983316.20031114152816@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

Oops, you're right. But hey, it's Friday!

/gustav


> While I just tried this in debug mode, I got err.Source as the name of the
> database (ie from database properties).  Not the name of the module.

> I tested with a class module, so I'll take a look at other modules.

> Stuart

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Gustav Brock
>> Sent: Friday, 14 November, 2003 4:15 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Get Current Sub Name
>>
>>
>> Hi Darren
>>
>> At least you can retrieve the name of the module ...:
>>
>> <code>
>>
>> Public Sub ModuleName()
>>
>>   Dim strModuleName  As String
>>
>>   On Error Resume Next
>>   strModuleName = Null
>>   strModuleName = Err.Source
>>
>>   MsgBox strModuleName
>>
>> End Sub
>>
>> </code>
>>
>> /gustav


From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Fri Nov 14 08:57:08 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:57:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday Stuff
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C966@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Ok, good one for a Friday. I just had someone call me that is trying to work
on a database. This database tracks data for each year, 2001, 2002, and they
are trying to enter the new data for 2003. 
 
Here is the good part - they can't figure out why the previous years data is
changing when they change something - they saved the form as a new form
"2003".
 
Virginia

From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 14 09:18:21 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:18:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday Stuff
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C966@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C966@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <12226988958.20031114161821@cactus.dk>

Hi Virginia

This must be one of JC's "creative" users.

/gustav


> Ok, good one for a Friday. I just had someone call me that is trying to work
> on a database. This database tracks data for each year, 2001, 2002, and they
> are trying to enter the new data for 2003. 
 
> Here is the good part - they can't figure out why the previous years data is
> changing when they change something - they saved the form as a new form
> "2003".


From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Fri Nov 14 09:40:54 2003
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:40:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Auto install fonts
Message-ID: <sfb4b196.047@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>

I use basically the same 'look' for all (or most) of the programs that I
write for my employer. This 'look' includes two fonts that are not
standard (airfoil.ttf and motley.ttf). When I install these programs to
a new computer, it is necessary for me to copy these ttf files and then
install them via 'control panel' and 'fonts'.
 
This was all fine for a while, but now the number of programs is
growing, as is the amount of users and the physical area that they are
spread over. Now I cannot always be the one who does the actual
installation, so I have been trying to create an automated process for
the install of these programs. I currently use a batch file that creates
a directory in 'Program Files' on their root drive, copies the files
into this directory, and copies a shortcut onto their desktop. The
remaining problem is that the fonts need to be installed, and I don't
know how to get around having them install the font--I don't want them
to touch anything they don't need to touch.
 
Is there a way to do this? I have never used any of the 'installer'
programs that I have read about, on this list--is this what I need to be
looking at? And, if so, which ones? I think I have noticed 'Install
Shield' (?) the most.
 
Thank you! Take care!
 
John W Clark

From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 14 10:04:03 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:04:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Auto install fonts
In-Reply-To: <sfb4b196.047@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>
References: <sfb4b196.047@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <12429730660.20031114170403@cactus.dk>

Hi John

You can use the free Inno Setup for this:

  http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php


<snip>

FontInstall

  Description:
Tells Setup the file is a font that needs to be installed. The value
of this parameter is the name of the font as stored in the registry or
WIN.INI. This must be exactly the same name as you see when you
double-click the font file in Explorer. Note that Setup will
automatically append " (TrueType)" to the end of the name.    

If the file is not a TrueType font, you must specify the flag fontisnttruetype in the Flags parameter.

It's recommended that you use the flags onlyifdoesntexist and
uninsneveruninstall when installing fonts to the {fonts} directory. 
To successfully install a font on Windows 2000/XP, the user must be a
member of the Power Users or Administrators groups. On Windows NT 4.0
and earlier, anyone can install a font.

  Example:
Source: "OZHANDIN.TTF"; DestDir: "{fonts}"; FontInstall: "Oz Handicraft BT"; Flags: onlyifdoesntexist uninsneveruninstall 

</snip>

/gustav


> I use basically the same 'look' for all (or most) of the programs that I
> write for my employer. This 'look' includes two fonts that are not
> standard (airfoil.ttf and motley.ttf). When I install these programs to
> a new computer, it is necessary for me to copy these ttf files and then
> install them via 'control panel' and 'fonts'.
 
> This was all fine for a while, but now the number of programs is
> growing, as is the amount of users and the physical area that they are
> spread over. Now I cannot always be the one who does the actual
> installation, so I have been trying to create an automated process for
> the install of these programs. I currently use a batch file that creates
> a directory in 'Program Files' on their root drive, copies the files
> into this directory, and copies a shortcut onto their desktop. The
> remaining problem is that the fonts need to be installed, and I don't
> know how to get around having them install the font--I don't want them
> to touch anything they don't need to touch.
 
> Is there a way to do this? I have never used any of the 'installer'
> programs that I have read about, on this list--is this what I need to be
> looking at? And, if so, which ones? I think I have noticed 'Install
> Shield' (?) the most.


From john at winhaven.net  Fri Nov 14 10:15:28 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:15:28 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday Stuff
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C966@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEFKFFAA.john@winhaven.net>

Reminds me of a state bureaucrat I used to know. For years she would send
out an annual update of a "Time Reporting" database application that the
local employees used to keep track of the time they spent on state funded
programs. In the data entry they would have to enter the date, the year and
the quarter. The only thing she changed over the entire time she did this
was to add the new year and quarters to lookup tables (4 digit number for
year e.g. "1999" and: 99-1, 99-2, 99-3, 99-4 for the quarters). Of course
she also had to adjust the reports so they would print out for the new year
and/or quarter. The reports had hard coded year and/or quarter - there were
5 reports. There was no routine to get rid of the old data and there was no
way to print out reports or use the old data in any manner (which a number
of local people wanted to do so they started to duplicate the database and
keep the old application in order to be able to get the reports for each
year. Some offices had 5 of these applications/databases set up!

The funny part: She really wasn't aware that she could just let the users
enter the date and filter the reports for year and/or quarter based on that!

Well, we fixed all that and she has never issued another update (wipes sweat
from his forehead).

John B.
Another complicated programming issue solved by (drum roll and horn blasts
please) Super-Programmer!
(As he places his hands on his hips and thrusts out his chest!)
;o)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 8:57 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday Stuff
>
>
> Ok, good one for a Friday. I just had someone call me that is
> trying to work
> on a database. This database tracks data for each year, 2001,
> 2002, and they
> are trying to enter the new data for 2003.
>
> Here is the good part - they can't figure out why the previous
> years data is
> changing when they change something - they saved the form as a new form
> "2003".
>
> Virginia
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From john at winhaven.net  Fri Nov 14 10:19:01 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:19:01 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Auto install fonts
In-Reply-To: <sfb4b196.047@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJCEFLFFAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi John:
In Wise InstallBuilder its as easy as adding a line:
Register Font Tt0195.ttf
Which is actually created using a dialog with combo boxes.
I would imagine this is calling some API to register the font but since I
have Wise I've never bothered to look into it. Maybe someone else here can
expand on this.

Wise or Installshield are both top notch. It seems most people here use Wise
(with SageKey Access Scripts). There are other installers out there, some
free, but I don't know that handle installing Access runtime apps very well,
which is why I use an installer. I just haven't heard much about anything
other than those already mentioned.

HTH
John B.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Clark
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 9:41 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Auto install fonts
>
>
> I use basically the same 'look' for all (or most) of the programs that I
> write for my employer. This 'look' includes two fonts that are not
> standard (airfoil.ttf and motley.ttf). When I install these programs to
> a new computer, it is necessary for me to copy these ttf files and then
> install them via 'control panel' and 'fonts'.
>
> This was all fine for a while, but now the number of programs is
> growing, as is the amount of users and the physical area that they are
> spread over. Now I cannot always be the one who does the actual
> installation, so I have been trying to create an automated process for
> the install of these programs. I currently use a batch file that creates
> a directory in 'Program Files' on their root drive, copies the files
> into this directory, and copies a shortcut onto their desktop. The
> remaining problem is that the fonts need to be installed, and I don't
> know how to get around having them install the font--I don't want them
> to touch anything they don't need to touch.
>
> Is there a way to do this? I have never used any of the 'installer'
> programs that I have read about, on this list--is this what I need to be
> looking at? And, if so, which ones? I think I have noticed 'Install
> Shield' (?) the most.
>
> Thank you! Take care!
>
> John W Clark
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Nov 14 10:21:35 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:21:35 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] FW: A2K developer
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312444@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I've heard of people finding it on eBay, but since it's now 2 versions
back, it may be hard to find.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 1:13 AM
To: AccessD (AccessD at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [AccessD] FW: A2K developer


Forwarded mail below....
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Annie Courchesne, cma [mailto:annie.courchesne at sympatico.ca] 
Sent: 14 November 2003 02:52
To: Accessd
Subject: A2K developer


Hi guys,
 
It's been a while since I've posted here...
 
A customer of mine as asked that I convert an A2K database to a A2K
runtime so he doesn't have to buy 20+ licences of A2K.  I'm trying to
find a A2K developer (or Office 2K developer I think) so I can do this
but my usual software provider doesn't have it.  Anyone as any idea
where I could get that.
 
Thanks a lot!
 
 
Annie Courchesne, CMA
 
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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Fri Nov 14 10:22:53 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:22:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday Stuff
References: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEFKFFAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <003c01c3aacb$8ee8f2a0$6401a8c0@default>

John,

I was going to thank you last night
for sharing your expeiences ...
wondered why you were out standing in
your field ... you old farmer :)

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:15 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Friday Stuff


> Reminds me of a state bureaucrat I used to know. For years she would send
> out an annual update of a "Time Reporting" database application that the
> local employees used to keep track of the time they spent on state funded
> programs. In the data entry they would have to enter the date, the year
and
> the quarter. The only thing she changed over the entire time she did this
> was to add the new year and quarters to lookup tables (4 digit number for
> year e.g. "1999" and: 99-1, 99-2, 99-3, 99-4 for the quarters). Of course
> she also had to adjust the reports so they would print out for the new
year
> and/or quarter. The reports had hard coded year and/or quarter - there
were
> 5 reports. There was no routine to get rid of the old data and there was
no
> way to print out reports or use the old data in any manner (which a number
> of local people wanted to do so they started to duplicate the database and
> keep the old application in order to be able to get the reports for each
> year. Some offices had 5 of these applications/databases set up!
>
> The funny part: She really wasn't aware that she could just let the users
> enter the date and filter the reports for year and/or quarter based on
that!
>
> Well, we fixed all that and she has never issued another update (wipes
sweat
> from his forehead).
>
> John B.
> Another complicated programming issue solved by (drum roll and horn blasts
> please) Super-Programmer!
> (As he places his hands on his hips and thrusts out his chest!)
> ;o)
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > Hollis,Virginia
> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 8:57 AM
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday Stuff
> >
> >
> > Ok, good one for a Friday. I just had someone call me that is
> > trying to work
> > on a database. This database tracks data for each year, 2001,
> > 2002, and they
> > are trying to enter the new data for 2003.
> >
> > Here is the good part - they can't figure out why the previous
> > years data is
> > changing when they change something - they saved the form as a new form
> > "2003".
> >
> > Virginia
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From john at winhaven.net  Fri Nov 14 11:01:15 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:01:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Funny
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEFMFFAA.john@winhaven.net>

I think this fits the bill today:

http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/index.html


From john at winhaven.net  Fri Nov 14 11:01:16 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:01:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday Stuff
In-Reply-To: <003c01c3aacb$8ee8f2a0$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIKEBDENAA.john@winhaven.net>

LOL
Actually, I was envisioning standing atop a high rise building with a cape
billowing in the wind! This bureaucrat was from Madison, WI (state capital).

LOL again!
But I guess an old farmer would be more fitting since this is when I worked
for the Agricultural Land Conservation Dept. I did stand out in a lot of
fields (and other stuff too).
:o)

John B.
PS: My degree (primary) is Natural Resources Sciences.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Stuff
>
>
> John,
>
> I was going to thank you last night
> for sharing your expeiences ...
> wondered why you were out standing in
> your field ... you old farmer :)
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:15 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Friday Stuff
>
>
> > Reminds me of a state bureaucrat I used to know. For years she
> would send
> > out an annual update of a "Time Reporting" database application that the
> > local employees used to keep track of the time they spent on
> state funded
> > programs. In the data entry they would have to enter the date, the year
> and
> > the quarter. The only thing she changed over the entire time
> she did this
> > was to add the new year and quarters to lookup tables (4 digit
> number for
> > year e.g. "1999" and: 99-1, 99-2, 99-3, 99-4 for the quarters).
> Of course
> > she also had to adjust the reports so they would print out for the new
> year
> > and/or quarter. The reports had hard coded year and/or quarter - there
> were
> > 5 reports. There was no routine to get rid of the old data and there was
> no
> > way to print out reports or use the old data in any manner
> (which a number
> > of local people wanted to do so they started to duplicate the
> database and
> > keep the old application in order to be able to get the reports for each
> > year. Some offices had 5 of these applications/databases set up!
> >
> > The funny part: She really wasn't aware that she could just let
> the users
> > enter the date and filter the reports for year and/or quarter based on
> that!
> >
> > Well, we fixed all that and she has never issued another update (wipes
> sweat
> > from his forehead).
> >
> > John B.
> > Another complicated programming issue solved by (drum roll and
> horn blasts
> > please) Super-Programmer!
> > (As he places his hands on his hips and thrusts out his chest!)
> > ;o)
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > > Hollis,Virginia
> > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 8:57 AM
> > > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday Stuff
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok, good one for a Friday. I just had someone call me that is
> > > trying to work
> > > on a database. This database tracks data for each year, 2001,
> > > 2002, and they
> > > are trying to enter the new data for 2003.
> > >
> > > Here is the good part - they can't figure out why the previous
> > > years data is
> > > changing when they change something - they saved the form as
> a new form
> > > "2003".
> > >
> > > Virginia
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From rbgajewski at adelphia.net  Fri Nov 14 11:18:00 2003
From: rbgajewski at adelphia.net (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:18:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Problem: subtotaling time (long email)
Message-ID: <LHEEKEKNLFONONKPIOCJIEBFFNAA.rbgajewski@adelphia.net>

Dear List

I cannot figure out how to add time.

I have a database that tracks responses for emergency services providers.

Table and report details are below. I'm trying to create a report showing
each provider's responses, sorted and subtotaled by major class types and
then minor class types, with the time of each incident shown AND subtotaled.
I have no problem with the report EXCEPT that I cannot subtotal the time
(the "Time = " and "Total Time = " fields).

I suspect that the problem may be that I am using a formatted field
(TimeDiff), and cannot add the data because they are now string values. If
anyone can help steer me in a better direction, I would be extremely
grateful!

TIA,

Bob Gajewski

*************************************************************
DATABASE DETAILS:

tblEmployees
	EmployeeID (PK)
	EmployeeName

tblMajorClass
	MajorClassID (PK)
	MajorClassName

tblMinorClass
	MinorClassID (PK)
	MinorClassName

tblIncidents
	IncidentID (PK)
	MajorClassID (FK)
		(has "Call" or "Drill")
	MinorClassID (FK)
		(for "Call", has "Fire" or "EMS")
		(for "Drill", has "Internal" or "External")
	DispatchTime
	InServiceTime

tblResponses
	ResponseID (PK)
	IncidentID (FK)
	EmployeeID (FK)

The report (rptEmployeeResponse) has the following:

	Sorting & Grouping:
		EmployeeName (Ascending)
			Group Header = Yes
			Group Footer = Yes
			Group On = Each Value
		MajorClassName (Ascending)
			Group Header = Yes
			Group Footer = Yes
			Group On = Each Value
		MinorClassName (Ascending)
			Group Header = Yes
			Group Footer = Yes
			Group On = Each Value
		IncidentID
			Group Header = No
			Group Footer = No
			Group On = Each Value

	SQL Statement (QBE)
		EmployeeName (GroupBy)
		MajorClass (GroupBy)
		MinorClass (GroupBy)
		IncidentID (Count) - from tblResponses!
		DispatchTime (GroupBy)
		InServiceTime (GroupBy)
		TimeDiff (GroupBy)
			TimeDiff:
IIf([InServiceTime]>[DispatchTime],Format([InServiceTime]-[DispatchTime]),"S
hort Time"),Format(DateAdd("d",1,[InServiceTime])-[DispatchTime]),"Short
Time"))

	Sample Output:


Brown, Joe
	Calls
		EMS
			001	11:00	13:59	2:59
			003	09:13	10:29	1:16
		Count = 2		Time = 4:15

		Fire
			002	23:04	01:41	2:37
			004	11:42	12:02	0:20
			005	04:30	05:58	1:28
		Count = 3		Time = 4:25

	Total Count = 5	Total Time = 8:40


	Drills
		External
			001	11:00	12:00	1:00
			003	09:00	10:30	1:30
		Count = 2		Time = 2:30

		EMS
			002	19:00	21:30	2:30
			004	11:00	12:00	1:00
			005	09:30	11:00	1:30
		Count = 3		Time = 5:00

	Total Count = 5	Total Time = 7:30

{Next Employee ....}

Counts and times are only totaled per employee; there is no aggregate grand
total.




From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 14 11:51:36 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:51:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Problem: subtotaling time (long email)
In-Reply-To: <LHEEKEKNLFONONKPIOCJIEBFFNAA.rbgajewski@adelphia.net>
References: <LHEEKEKNLFONONKPIOCJIEBFFNAA.rbgajewski@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <7836183749.20031114185136@cactus.dk>

Hi Bob

Use DateDiff("n", datStart, datStop) to calculate the time difference
in minutes (assuming you are ignoring seconds). Sum those minutes as
your subtotal. 

Then you can use a function like this to calculate a pseudo time:

<code>

Function TimeHour(ByVal curHMS As Currency) As Date

' Rounds and converts curHMS (number of hours as decimalnumber).
' Returns a time value, hh:nn:ss.
' Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS.
' 1999-08-12.

  Dim lngH As Long
  Dim lngM As Long
  Dim lngS As Long
  Dim curR As Currency
  
  ' No error handling needed.
  On Error Resume Next
  
  ' Round to two decimals, and skip number of days if curHMS > 24.
  ' If day count is needed, omit modulus like this:
  ' curHMS = (CLng(curHMS * 10000) / 100 * 36) ' Mod 86400
  curHMS = (CLng(curHMS * 10000) / 100 * 36) Mod 86400
  
  ' Calculate hours, minutes, and seconds.
  lngH = Int(curHMS / 3600)
  curR = curHMS - (lngH * 3600)
  lngM = Int(curR / 60)
  curR = curR - (lngM * 60)
  lngS = CInt(curR)
  
  ' Create time value.
  TimeHour = TimeSerial(lngH, lngM, lngS)

End Function

</code>

Finally, format the returned date/time value as you like, say:

  strTimeDiff = Format(datTimeDiff, "hh:nn")

or simply specify this format for the textbox in the report.

/gustav


> I cannot figure out how to add time.

> I have a database that tracks responses for emergency services providers.

> Table and report details are below. I'm trying to create a report showing
> each provider's responses, sorted and subtotaled by major class types and
> then minor class types, with the time of each incident shown AND subtotaled.
> I have no problem with the report EXCEPT that I cannot subtotal the time
> (the "Time = " and "Total Time = " fields).

> I suspect that the problem may be that I am using a formatted field
> (TimeDiff), and cannot add the data because they are now string values. If
> anyone can help steer me in a better direction, I would be extremely
> grateful!

> TIA,

> Bob Gajewski

> *************************************************************
> DATABASE DETAILS:

> tblEmployees
>         EmployeeID (PK)
>         EmployeeName

> tblMajorClass
>         MajorClassID (PK)
>         MajorClassName

> tblMinorClass
>         MinorClassID (PK)
>         MinorClassName

> tblIncidents
>         IncidentID (PK)
>         MajorClassID (FK)
>                 (has "Call" or "Drill")
>         MinorClassID (FK)
>                 (for "Call", has "Fire" or "EMS")
>                 (for "Drill", has "Internal" or "External")
>         DispatchTime
>         InServiceTime

> tblResponses
>         ResponseID (PK)
>         IncidentID (FK)
>         EmployeeID (FK)

> The report (rptEmployeeResponse) has the following:

>         Sorting & Grouping:
>                 EmployeeName (Ascending)
>                         Group Header = Yes
>                         Group Footer = Yes
>                         Group On = Each Value
>                 MajorClassName (Ascending)
>                         Group Header = Yes
>                         Group Footer = Yes
>                         Group On = Each Value
>                 MinorClassName (Ascending)
>                         Group Header = Yes
>                         Group Footer = Yes
>                         Group On = Each Value
>                 IncidentID
>                         Group Header = No
>                         Group Footer = No
>                         Group On = Each Value

>         SQL Statement (QBE)
>                 EmployeeName (GroupBy)
>                 MajorClass (GroupBy)
>                 MinorClass (GroupBy)
>                 IncidentID (Count) - from tblResponses!
>                 DispatchTime (GroupBy)
>                 InServiceTime (GroupBy)
>                 TimeDiff (GroupBy)
>                         TimeDiff:
IIf([InServiceTime]>>[DispatchTime],Format([InServiceTime]-[DispatchTime]),"S
> hort Time"),Format(DateAdd("d",1,[InServiceTime])-[DispatchTime]),"Short
> Time"))

>         Sample Output:


> Brown, Joe
>         Calls
>                 EMS
>                         001     11:00   13:59   2:59
>                         003     09:13   10:29   1:16
>                 Count = 2               Time = 4:15

>                 Fire
>                         002     23:04   01:41   2:37
>                         004     11:42   12:02   0:20
>                         005     04:30   05:58   1:28
>                 Count = 3               Time = 4:25

>         Total Count = 5 Total Time = 8:40


>         Drills
>                 External
>                         001     11:00   12:00   1:00
>                         003     09:00   10:30   1:30
>                 Count = 2               Time = 2:30

>                 EMS
>                         002     19:00   21:30   2:30
>                         004     11:00   12:00   1:00
>                         005     09:30   11:00   1:30
>                 Count = 3               Time = 5:00

>         Total Count = 5 Total Time = 7:30

> {Next Employee ....}

> Counts and times are only totaled per employee; there is no aggregate grand
> total.


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 14 12:03:23 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:03:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227577@main2.marlow.com>

Certainly not impossible, but quite frankly, it would be easier to just use
Terminal Server, Citrix, or Remote Administrator, then to go and create what
would be a pretty complex ASP site.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser


Hi Drew 
Thanks for the reply
I mean setting permissions, creating users and groups, changing passwords,
etc,
as you suggested.

Basically she would like interfacing with Access Security and totally
managing, at every
level via a browser, whatever you can manage whilst sitting directly in from
of the System.mdw file

In relation to John Colby's Poll on Access Security I am a 14. Never touched
the stuff and
am vaguely aware that it exists. So if it seems I am asking the impossible
because I don't know
any better it's because...I don't know any better :-))

Many thanks for the reply

Darren


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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 5:40 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser


> What do you mean Darren.  Do you mean like setting permissions, creating
> users and groups, changing passwords, etc?  Or simply logging into a
secured
> database?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:48 PM
> To: AccessD List
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser
> 
> 
> Hello all
> I have a Web Developer friend asking me if anyone knows of some useful
> URL's that will show how to or give examples of administering Access
> security via a browser.
> 
> She has Access Security implemented and can administer it fine from the
> local PC via the
> 'normal' means, she just wants to do it via the web 
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Darren
> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 14 12:07:46 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:07:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227579@main2.marlow.com>

I think you're agreeing with me. <grin>

The problem with a BE though, is that if it's an .mdb, it has to be
accessible by the user, in order for an Access (or even VB) FE to use it.
You're right, if you go with a server side db, like Oracle or SQL, then you
have that security in place, but even that stuff isn't unbreakable.  The ASP
FE let's you use an .mdb as a backend, but since it doesn't need to be
accessible by the user, it is pretty 'tight' security.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Drew:

That is the whole issue surround Access security, is that a fully exposed
MDB is very hackable. If the DB can be hidden behind a ASP FE or simply
replaced with another remote BE, some other SQL, the whole security issue is
non-starter and hardly has to be addresses at all.

In my humble opinion.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Actually, an .mdb can be made VERY secure by using ASP as a front end.  The
problem with using Access or even VB for a front end, is that you need to
have direct access to the back end.  So if user XYZ is logged on, XYZ needs
permission to have direct Access to the .mdb AND the .mdw.  However, if you
use ASP as the Front End, so the user is using their browser to access the
db, then the users can be completely stripped of access to the .mdb itself.
In fact, if you store the .mdb on the IIS server, and you don't even have to
have share access to it.  Sure, you're then relying on NT security, but you
can button that down pretty tight.  So you can keep the .mdb and the .mdw at
an 'unavailable' location.

I've used Access User Level security quite a bit, I don't find it difficult
at all (partly due to so many similarities between it and NT security).
However, it is a pretty fallible system.  With enough time and resources,
and it can be cracked.  Actually for $40 (last time I checked), you can
crack any .mdb, as long as you have a copy of the .mdw with the
administrative accounts in it.  Even with a solid knowledge of Access User
Level security, you are still dependant upon the users ignorance for it to
be secure.  With what I was talking about with an ASP front end, you are
taking the level of security to a point where a SERIOUS hacker would be
required to get at whatever you want protected.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


But seriously there are some apps, like the HR apps (someone, I forget who,
wrote in about) where you want it real secure.

But even in that case, passwording the back end and maybe encrypting it,
with some additional restrictions in the front end like I use and then
making an mde would seem to do the trick without having to get mixed up in
all that mdw stuff.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> Hahahahahahahahahah....sorry.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> > Hi Rocky
> >
> > So why is JC's world so much different from yours and mine??
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > > Had to fool with it once on a legacy app and got around it.  But it
was
> a
> > > big PITA.
> >
> > > I generally roll my own by having the user log in with a password.
They
> get
> > > one of three levels of access to the whole system - 1) read only, 2)
> > > read/write, 3) admin.  I put their access level in a global variable.
> Each
> > > form has to check the access level then to see if they are allowed to
do
> a
> > > certain function.  So far, the three levels have been adequate and no
> one
> > > except for one client has wanted function of field level control.
> >
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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Fri Nov 14 14:11:19 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:11:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Problem: subtotaling time (long email)
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873063952C2@corp-es00>

Gustav-
If you ever decide to put all your code solutions into a book ("Gustav's
Goodies"?) I'll be first in line to buy it. Thanks for a ton of useful code
over the years.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Problem: subtotaling time (long email)


Hi Bob

Use DateDiff("n", datStart, datStop) to calculate the time difference
in minutes (assuming you are ignoring seconds). Sum those minutes as
your subtotal. 

Then you can use a function like this to calculate a pseudo time:

<code>

Function TimeHour(ByVal curHMS As Currency) As Date

' Rounds and converts curHMS (number of hours as decimalnumber).
' Returns a time value, hh:nn:ss.
' Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS.
' 1999-08-12.

  Dim lngH As Long
  Dim lngM As Long
  Dim lngS As Long
  Dim curR As Currency
  
  ' No error handling needed.
  On Error Resume Next
  
  ' Round to two decimals, and skip number of days if curHMS > 24.
  ' If day count is needed, omit modulus like this:
  ' curHMS = (CLng(curHMS * 10000) / 100 * 36) ' Mod 86400
  curHMS = (CLng(curHMS * 10000) / 100 * 36) Mod 86400
  
  ' Calculate hours, minutes, and seconds.
  lngH = Int(curHMS / 3600)
  curR = curHMS - (lngH * 3600)
  lngM = Int(curR / 60)
  curR = curR - (lngM * 60)
  lngS = CInt(curR)
  
  ' Create time value.
  TimeHour = TimeSerial(lngH, lngM, lngS)

End Function

</code>

Finally, format the returned date/time value as you like, say:

  strTimeDiff = Format(datTimeDiff, "hh:nn")

or simply specify this format for the textbox in the report.

/gustav


> I cannot figure out how to add time.

> I have a database that tracks responses for emergency services providers.

> Table and report details are below. I'm trying to create a report showing
> each provider's responses, sorted and subtotaled by major class types and
> then minor class types, with the time of each incident shown AND
subtotaled.
> I have no problem with the report EXCEPT that I cannot subtotal the time
> (the "Time = " and "Total Time = " fields).

> I suspect that the problem may be that I am using a formatted field
> (TimeDiff), and cannot add the data because they are now string values. If
> anyone can help steer me in a better direction, I would be extremely
> grateful!

> TIA,

> Bob Gajewski

> *************************************************************
> DATABASE DETAILS:

> tblEmployees
>         EmployeeID (PK)
>         EmployeeName

> tblMajorClass
>         MajorClassID (PK)
>         MajorClassName

> tblMinorClass
>         MinorClassID (PK)
>         MinorClassName

> tblIncidents
>         IncidentID (PK)
>         MajorClassID (FK)
>                 (has "Call" or "Drill")
>         MinorClassID (FK)
>                 (for "Call", has "Fire" or "EMS")
>                 (for "Drill", has "Internal" or "External")
>         DispatchTime
>         InServiceTime

> tblResponses
>         ResponseID (PK)
>         IncidentID (FK)
>         EmployeeID (FK)

> The report (rptEmployeeResponse) has the following:

>         Sorting & Grouping:
>                 EmployeeName (Ascending)
>                         Group Header = Yes
>                         Group Footer = Yes
>                         Group On = Each Value
>                 MajorClassName (Ascending)
>                         Group Header = Yes
>                         Group Footer = Yes
>                         Group On = Each Value
>                 MinorClassName (Ascending)
>                         Group Header = Yes
>                         Group Footer = Yes
>                         Group On = Each Value
>                 IncidentID
>                         Group Header = No
>                         Group Footer = No
>                         Group On = Each Value

>         SQL Statement (QBE)
>                 EmployeeName (GroupBy)
>                 MajorClass (GroupBy)
>                 MinorClass (GroupBy)
>                 IncidentID (Count) - from tblResponses!
>                 DispatchTime (GroupBy)
>                 InServiceTime (GroupBy)
>                 TimeDiff (GroupBy)
>                         TimeDiff:
IIf([InServiceTime]>>[DispatchTime],Format([InServiceTime]-[DispatchTime]),"
S
> hort Time"),Format(DateAdd("d",1,[InServiceTime])-[DispatchTime]),"Short
> Time"))

>         Sample Output:


> Brown, Joe
>         Calls
>                 EMS
>                         001     11:00   13:59   2:59
>                         003     09:13   10:29   1:16
>                 Count = 2               Time = 4:15

>                 Fire
>                         002     23:04   01:41   2:37
>                         004     11:42   12:02   0:20
>                         005     04:30   05:58   1:28
>                 Count = 3               Time = 4:25

>         Total Count = 5 Total Time = 8:40


>         Drills
>                 External
>                         001     11:00   12:00   1:00
>                         003     09:00   10:30   1:30
>                 Count = 2               Time = 2:30

>                 EMS
>                         002     19:00   21:30   2:30
>                         004     11:00   12:00   1:00
>                         005     09:30   11:00   1:30
>                 Count = 3               Time = 5:00

>         Total Count = 5 Total Time = 7:30

> {Next Employee ....}

> Counts and times are only totaled per employee; there is no aggregate
grand
> total.

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov 15 03:45:16 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:45:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Problem: subtotaling time (long email)
In-Reply-To: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873063952C2@corp-es00>
References: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873063952C2@corp-es00>
Message-ID: <833226809.20031115104516@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Thank you! However, to share ideas and code, isn't that what the list
is about? 

About a book - where would I find the time? Long time ago I promised
Susan to contribute to some articles but haven't been able to locate a
free spot in the stuffed calendar ...

By the way, I haven't bought a single book on Access development
except for those accompanying Access 1.0, 2.0 and 97 developer
versions (those were the days of printed documentation, sigh).
Everything else is from the on-line help (up to and including A97),
searching the net (many nice sites are related to Access development),
and, of course, our list.
But with the evolving use of XML and web services it may be about time
to visit the bookstore.

/gustav


> Gustav-
> If you ever decide to put all your code solutions into a book ("Gustav's
> Goodies"?) I'll be first in line to buy it. Thanks for a ton of useful code
> over the years.
> Jim Hale


From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Sat Nov 15 09:37:15 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:37:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Problem: subtotaling time (long email)
References: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873063952C2@corp-es00>
	<833226809.20031115104516@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002d01c3ab8e$a8361c10$210110ac@SUSANONE>

> About a book - where would I find the time? Long time ago I promised
> Susan to contribute to some articles but haven't been able to locate a
> free spot in the stuffed calendar ...

=========Don't quit your day job. :( Market's bad -- but seems to be coming
back. Someone adopt me please! ;)

Susan H.


From starkey at wanadoo.nl  Sat Nov 15 14:37:28 2003
From: starkey at wanadoo.nl (StaRKeY)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:37:28 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter
Message-ID: <LBEOIIMDLCKFLLKNJCMECEFBCLAA.starkey@wanadoo.nl>

Hi All,

I have a question about the 'allowbypasskey' property and in specific the
4th parameter when creating it (DDL).

It is mentioned that having set this parameter to 'True' only admins are
able to change the 'Allowbypasskey' property. Ofcourse this is nice to know
but my question is: if one uses an empty Access DB with the default
system.mdw and thus being an admin wouldn't it be possible to change the
property from within this new database?


TIA,
Eric Starkenburg

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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Sat Nov 15 14:54:38 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:54:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter
In-Reply-To: <LBEOIIMDLCKFLLKNJCMECEFBCLAA.starkey@wanadoo.nl>
Message-ID: <PBEDKHOENPLNGHCEPCDPIEMBDEAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>

Yes, In order to keep them from changing the property you will need to
revoke admin rights from every user and group in your db.

Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com

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Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 3:37 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors. com
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Hi All,

I have a question about the 'allowbypasskey' property and in specific the
4th parameter when creating it (DDL).

It is mentioned that having set this parameter to 'True' only admins are
able to change the 'Allowbypasskey' property. Ofcourse this is nice to know
but my question is: if one uses an empty Access DB with the default
system.mdw and thus being an admin wouldn't it be possible to change the
property from within this new database?


TIA,
Eric Starkenburg

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From starkey at wanadoo.nl  Sat Nov 15 15:35:54 2003
From: starkey at wanadoo.nl (StaRKeY)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:35:54 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter
In-Reply-To: <PBEDKHOENPLNGHCEPCDPIEMBDEAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <LBEOIIMDLCKFLLKNJCMEMEFBCLAA.starkey@wanadoo.nl>

Thank you for the reply Robert.

Robert, I won't be able to prevend them these rights in their own newly
created empty database. So my guess is that the 4th parameter is nice but
not sufficient since from within this new empty database one would be able
to change the property of the 'secured' database or am I missing something?


Regards,
Eric

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robert Gracie
Sent: zaterdag 15 november 2003 21:55
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Yes, In order to keep them from changing the property you will need to
revoke admin rights from every user and group in your db.

Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of StaRKeY
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 3:37 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors. com
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Hi All,

I have a question about the 'allowbypasskey' property and in specific the
4th parameter when creating it (DDL).

It is mentioned that having set this parameter to 'True' only admins are
able to change the 'Allowbypasskey' property. Ofcourse this is nice to know
but my question is: if one uses an empty Access DB with the default
system.mdw and thus being an admin wouldn't it be possible to change the
property from within this new database?


TIA,
Eric Starkenburg

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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Sat Nov 15 18:01:33 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:01:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter
In-Reply-To: <LBEOIIMDLCKFLLKNJCMEMEFBCLAA.starkey@wanadoo.nl>
Message-ID: <PBEDKHOENPLNGHCEPCDPIEMDDEAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>


Eric,
 Ah yes, I see now... Nope your out of luck... but I guess you know that the
db is not really going to be secure...

You have read the "SECFAQ97" White papers correct?



Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com



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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of StaRKeY
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Thank you for the reply Robert.

Robert, I won't be able to prevend them these rights in their own newly
created empty database. So my guess is that the 4th parameter is nice but
not sufficient since from within this new empty database one would be able
to change the property of the 'secured' database or am I missing something?


Regards,
Eric

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robert Gracie
Sent: zaterdag 15 november 2003 21:55
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Yes, In order to keep them from changing the property you will need to
revoke admin rights from every user and group in your db.

Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com

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To: AccessD at databaseadvisors. com
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Hi All,

I have a question about the 'allowbypasskey' property and in specific the
4th parameter when creating it (DDL).

It is mentioned that having set this parameter to 'True' only admins are
able to change the 'Allowbypasskey' property. Ofcourse this is nice to know
but my question is: if one uses an empty Access DB with the default
system.mdw and thus being an admin wouldn't it be possible to change the
property from within this new database?


TIA,
Eric Starkenburg

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From starkey at wanadoo.nl  Sun Nov 16 14:01:28 2003
From: starkey at wanadoo.nl (StaRKeY)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:01:28 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter
In-Reply-To: <PBEDKHOENPLNGHCEPCDPIEMDDEAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <LBEOIIMDLCKFLLKNJCMEEEFDCLAA.starkey@wanadoo.nl>

Well actually I haven't been reading for a long time. After you mentioned
this doc I started reading it but there's nothing I didn't already know.
Usually I don't make use of the workgroup file because I find a user-defined
security more flexible and easier to maintain. Code protection is not the
issue for me and on the other hand I do not really want to use the 'owner
permission' stuff. The shift-key feature is enough in combination with an
mde though it would be nicer to have it locked tight. I guess this is where
VB steps in;-)

Thanks,
Eric Starkenburg

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robert Gracie
Sent: zondag 16 november 2003 01:02
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter



Eric,
 Ah yes, I see now... Nope your out of luck... but I guess you know that the
db is not really going to be secure...

You have read the "SECFAQ97" White papers correct?



Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of StaRKeY
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Thank you for the reply Robert.

Robert, I won't be able to prevend them these rights in their own newly
created empty database. So my guess is that the 4th parameter is nice but
not sufficient since from within this new empty database one would be able
to change the property of the 'secured' database or am I missing something?


Regards,
Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robert Gracie
Sent: zaterdag 15 november 2003 21:55
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Yes, In order to keep them from changing the property you will need to
revoke admin rights from every user and group in your db.

Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com

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Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 3:37 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors. com
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Hi All,

I have a question about the 'allowbypasskey' property and in specific the
4th parameter when creating it (DDL).

It is mentioned that having set this parameter to 'True' only admins are
able to change the 'Allowbypasskey' property. Ofcourse this is nice to know
but my question is: if one uses an empty Access DB with the default
system.mdw and thus being an admin wouldn't it be possible to change the
property from within this new database?


TIA,
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From michael.broesdorf at web.de  Sun Nov 16 16:24:19 2003
From: michael.broesdorf at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michael_Br=F6sdorf?=)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:24:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Transparent images on an Access form?
In-Reply-To: <LBEOIIMDLCKFLLKNJCMEEEFDCLAA.starkey@wanadoo.nl>
Message-ID: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHKEFKEOAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>

Dear group,

is MS Access 2K able to display GIF-files with a transparent background?
I want to create a form with an Background image (JPG). The buttons will be
separate GIF-images created with Photoshop. These buttons are essentially
text with transparent background. In Photoshop it looks fine (including the
transparency).
But if I put those buttons on the Access form, their background appears
white.

Can't Access handle transparency or am I doing something wrong here?

TIA,


Michael


From michael.broesdorf at web.de  Sun Nov 16 16:37:07 2003
From: michael.broesdorf at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michael_Br=F6sdorf?=)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:37:07 +0100
Subject: AW: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227579@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHCEFLEOAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>

Hi,

I didn't read the whole thread, so please forgive me if I repeat things.
It is not too complicated to apply user security to both FE and BE (plus,
you can always
lock up the FE by converting it into an MDE). The main problem with Access
security is the mdw.
There is a couple of programs out there that can simply read all user names
and passwords
from an MDW file. AFAIK there is no way to avoid that.
So, with an Access BE the only option would be to ship an MDW that does not
contain a user account
that allows access to sensitive information. But that doesn't make sense
anyway if someone is
supposed to actually work with the db ;-)

Maybe encrypting data with a user defined function in the MDE(!) is an
option. The BE would than contain
only encrypted data. Anyone with the right tools could read the data, but
that would be useles unless
they know how to do crypt-analysis - just a thought...

HTH,

Michael




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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Drew Wutka
Gesendet: Freitag, 14. November 2003 19:08
An: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Betreff: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I think you're agreeing with me. <grin>

The problem with a BE though, is that if it's an .mdb, it has to be
accessible by the user, in order for an Access (or even VB) FE to use it.
You're right, if you go with a server side db, like Oracle or SQL, then you
have that security in place, but even that stuff isn't unbreakable.  The ASP
FE let's you use an .mdb as a backend, but since it doesn't need to be
accessible by the user, it is pretty 'tight' security.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Drew:

That is the whole issue surround Access security, is that a fully exposed
MDB is very hackable. If the DB can be hidden behind a ASP FE or simply
replaced with another remote BE, some other SQL, the whole security issue is
non-starter and hardly has to be addresses at all.

In my humble opinion.
Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Actually, an .mdb can be made VERY secure by using ASP as a front end.  The
problem with using Access or even VB for a front end, is that you need to
have direct access to the back end.  So if user XYZ is logged on, XYZ needs
permission to have direct Access to the .mdb AND the .mdw.  However, if you
use ASP as the Front End, so the user is using their browser to access the
db, then the users can be completely stripped of access to the .mdb itself.
In fact, if you store the .mdb on the IIS server, and you don't even have to
have share access to it.  Sure, you're then relying on NT security, but you
can button that down pretty tight.  So you can keep the .mdb and the .mdw at
an 'unavailable' location.

I've used Access User Level security quite a bit, I don't find it difficult
at all (partly due to so many similarities between it and NT security).
However, it is a pretty fallible system.  With enough time and resources,
and it can be cracked.  Actually for $40 (last time I checked), you can
crack any .mdb, as long as you have a copy of the .mdw with the
administrative accounts in it.  Even with a solid knowledge of Access User
Level security, you are still dependant upon the users ignorance for it to
be secure.  With what I was talking about with an ASP front end, you are
taking the level of security to a point where a SERIOUS hacker would be
required to get at whatever you want protected.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


But seriously there are some apps, like the HR apps (someone, I forget who,
wrote in about) where you want it real secure.

But even in that case, passwording the back end and maybe encrypting it,
with some additional restrictions in the front end like I use and then
making an mde would seem to do the trick without having to get mixed up in
all that mdw stuff.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> Hahahahahahahahahah....sorry.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> > Hi Rocky
> >
> > So why is JC's world so much different from yours and mine??
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > > Had to fool with it once on a legacy app and got around it.  But it
was
> a
> > > big PITA.
> >
> > > I generally roll my own by having the user log in with a password.
They
> get
> > > one of three levels of access to the whole system - 1) read only, 2)
> > > read/write, 3) admin.  I put their access level in a global variable.
> Each
> > > form has to check the access level then to see if they are allowed to
do
> a
> > > certain function.  So far, the three levels have been adequate and no
> one
> > > except for one client has wanted function of field level control.
> >
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From hadyn at dataconcepts.co.nz  Sun Nov 16 16:49:25 2003
From: hadyn at dataconcepts.co.nz (Hadyn Morgan)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:49:25 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Custom Help File Integration
Message-ID: <DCEDLLKBLHGDEGDGJBJIOEEICPAA.hadyn@dataconcepts.co.nz>

We have created a custom help file for an A2K database.  The database is
distributed using Wise and Sagekey scripts.  The A2K help says that 2
properties are required to integrate custom help: HelpFile and
HelpContextID.
The HelpFile property is supposed to be a fully qualified path to a Help
file.  Only problem is we don't know where the user will install it to.

Does anybody have have any experience with integrating help files that can
give a few pointers/tips?

Kind regards
Hadyn

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Nov 16 17:16:24 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:16:24 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Protect MDW (was POLL: Access Security)
In-Reply-To: <16256252.1069022412694.JavaMail.root@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <000201c3ac97$a79dc640$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Michael,

I tested a situation once where I was able to put the .mdw file (not
system.mdw) into a separate folder on a server, where this folder had
network security applied so that the only people who could open the folder
directly were network administrators.  Each user had a shortcut on their
desktop which listed the full paths to the Access file, the .mdb file, and
the .mdw file.  The user was able to open the database, security worked
correctly, but they couldn't get at the .mdw file.

I never found any documentation for this, and I've only tested this setup at
one location so far.  I'll try it again next chance I get.

Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Br?sdorf
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 4:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: AW: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Hi,

I didn't read the whole thread, so please forgive me if I repeat things. It
is not too complicated to apply user security to both FE and BE (plus, you
can always lock up the FE by converting it into an MDE). The main problem
with Access security is the mdw. There is a couple of programs out there
that can simply read all user names and passwords from an MDW file. AFAIK
there is no way to avoid that. So, with an Access BE the only option would
be to ship an MDW that does not contain a user account that allows access to
sensitive information. But that doesn't make sense anyway if someone is
supposed to actually work with the db ;-)

Maybe encrypting data with a user defined function in the MDE(!) is an
option. The BE would than contain only encrypted data. Anyone with the right
tools could read the data, but that would be useles unless they know how to
do crypt-analysis - just a thought...

HTH,

Michael




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Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Drew Wutka
Gesendet: Freitag, 14. November 2003 19:08
An: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Betreff: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I think you're agreeing with me. <grin>

The problem with a BE though, is that if it's an .mdb, it has to be
accessible by the user, in order for an Access (or even VB) FE to use it.
You're right, if you go with a server side db, like Oracle or SQL, then you
have that security in place, but even that stuff isn't unbreakable.  The ASP
FE let's you use an .mdb as a backend, but since it doesn't need to be
accessible by the user, it is pretty 'tight' security.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Drew:

That is the whole issue surround Access security, is that a fully exposed
MDB is very hackable. If the DB can be hidden behind a ASP FE or simply
replaced with another remote BE, some other SQL, the whole security issue is
non-starter and hardly has to be addresses at all.

In my humble opinion.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


Actually, an .mdb can be made VERY secure by using ASP as a front end.  The
problem with using Access or even VB for a front end, is that you need to
have direct access to the back end.  So if user XYZ is logged on, XYZ needs
permission to have direct Access to the .mdb AND the .mdw.  However, if you
use ASP as the Front End, so the user is using their browser to access the
db, then the users can be completely stripped of access to the .mdb itself.
In fact, if you store the .mdb on the IIS server, and you don't even have to
have share access to it.  Sure, you're then relying on NT security, but you
can button that down pretty tight.  So you can keep the .mdb and the .mdw at
an 'unavailable' location.

I've used Access User Level security quite a bit, I don't find it difficult
at all (partly due to so many similarities between it and NT security).
However, it is a pretty fallible system.  With enough time and resources,
and it can be cracked.  Actually for $40 (last time I checked), you can
crack any .mdb, as long as you have a copy of the .mdw with the
administrative accounts in it.  Even with a solid knowledge of Access User
Level security, you are still dependant upon the users ignorance for it to
be secure.  With what I was talking about with an ASP front end, you are
taking the level of security to a point where a SERIOUS hacker would be
required to get at whatever you want protected.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


But seriously there are some apps, like the HR apps (someone, I forget who,
wrote in about) where you want it real secure.

But even in that case, passwording the back end and maybe encrypting it,
with some additional restrictions in the front end like I use and then
making an mde would seem to do the trick without having to get mixed up in
all that mdw stuff.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


> Hahahahahahahahahah....sorry.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
>
>
> > Hi Rocky
> >
> > So why is JC's world so much different from yours and mine??
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > > Had to fool with it once on a legacy app and got around it.  But 
> > > it
was
> a
> > > big PITA.
> >
> > > I generally roll my own by having the user log in with a password.
They
> get
> > > one of three levels of access to the whole system - 1) read only, 
> > > 2) read/write, 3) admin.  I put their access level in a global 
> > > variable.
> Each
> > > form has to check the access level then to see if they are allowed 
> > > to
do
> a
> > > certain function.  So far, the three levels have been adequate and 
> > > no
> one
> > > except for one client has wanted function of field level control.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Sun Nov 16 18:19:50 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:19:50 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Transparent images on an Access form?
References: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHKEFKEOAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>
Message-ID: <00c701c3aca0$876edb80$3c619a89@DDICK>

Hi Michael

No

That's what I have discovered. Access XP may be different.
So what I have to do when this sort of 'look' comes up is go with a white background.

Sorry

The gurus may have an alternative though

Darren

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Br?sdorf" <michael.broesdorf at web.de>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:24 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Transparent images on an Access form?


> Dear group,
>
> is MS Access 2K able to display GIF-files with a transparent background?
> I want to create a form with an Background image (JPG). The buttons will be
> separate GIF-images created with Photoshop. These buttons are essentially
> text with transparent background. In Photoshop it looks fine (including the
> transparency).
> But if I put those buttons on the Access form, their background appears
> white.
>
> Can't Access handle transparency or am I doing something wrong here?
>
> TIA,
>
>
> Michael
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From michael.broesdorf at web.de  Mon Nov 17 01:41:02 2003
From: michael.broesdorf at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michael_Br=F6sdorf?=)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:41:02 +0100
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Transparent images on an Access form?
In-Reply-To: <00c701c3aca0$876edb80$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHMEFMEOAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>

Found something that works on Google
(http://groups.google.de/groups?hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=comp.databases.ms-a
ccess):


Here are 2 solutions:

(A)
1) Load and convert the desired Image as a Transparent Gif file.
Save the converted Image to disk as you would normally.

2) Open Microsoft Word. Menu-_Insert->Picture->From File
Browse to your converted Image you previously saved and select it.

3) After the Image appears on the page Click once on the Image to select
it.

4) Right click and select Copy from the Popup menu or click on the
ToolBar to select COPY

5) Open an Access Form and Select Paste from the Menu or ToolBar. The
Image is pasted as an unbound OLE frame.

6) On the Access Form-Format menu select Change To->Image control.

7) Change the new converted Image control's Back Style Prop to
Transparent.

(B)

http://www.lebans.com/transparent.htm



(A) actually does the job!!

Michael


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Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Darren DICK
Gesendet: Montag, 17. November 2003 01:20
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Transparent images on an Access form?


Hi Michael

No

That's what I have discovered. Access XP may be different.
So what I have to do when this sort of 'look' comes up is go with a white
background.

Sorry

The gurus may have an alternative though

Darren

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:24 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Transparent images on an Access form?


> Dear group,
>
> is MS Access 2K able to display GIF-files with a transparent background?
> I want to create a form with an Background image (JPG). The buttons will
be
> separate GIF-images created with Photoshop. These buttons are essentially
> text with transparent background. In Photoshop it looks fine (including
the
> transparency).
> But if I put those buttons on the Access form, their background appears
> white.
>
> Can't Access handle transparency or am I doing something wrong here?
>
> TIA,
>
>
> Michael
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov 17 03:35:13 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:35:13 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <GOEIJOAPGAMPLIOCMEPMGEDPCMAA.sgoodhall@comcast.net>
References: <GOEIJOAPGAMPLIOCMEPMGEDPCMAA.sgoodhall@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1618747858.20031117103513@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Dealing with security, Anthony D'Ambra today released some tips, links
and tools for this in his November newsletter:

  http://www.aadconsulting.com/news.html

Browse a page down to:

  Special Feature: Access Security

/gustav


From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Nov 17 09:35:23 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:35:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Custom Help File Integration
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD791D@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

As the application is installed using Wise/Sagekey you at least have control
over what groups of files are installed to the folder chosen by the user,
including the help file(s). So just arrange for them all to be copied to the
same folder as the MDB/MDE file. 

Having done that you can set the Help File property of all you forms to a
function

[ =FunctionName() ]

and have the function return the path to the current database
(CurrentDb.Name with the file name stripped off.).

That should do it.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent:	Sunday, November 16, 2003 5:49 PM
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> Subject:	[AccessD] Custom Help File Integration
> 
> We have created a custom help file for an A2K database.  The database is
> distributed using Wise and Sagekey scripts.  The A2K help says that 2
> properties are required to integrate custom help: HelpFile and
> HelpContextID.
> The HelpFile property is supposed to be a fully qualified path to a Help
> file.  Only problem is we don't know where the user will install it to.
> 
> Does anybody have have any experience with integrating help files that can
> give a few pointers/tips?
> 
> Kind regards
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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 17 09:53:50 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:53:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Open an Access report from ASP.Net
Message-ID: <20031117155350.80944.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com>

Is there a way to open (print) an Access report from an ASP page?
 
Here's a big thanks in advance to the Guru that comes up with this one. 





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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Nov 17 10:14:52 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:14:52 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Open an Access report from ASP.Net
References: <20031117155350.80944.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003001c3ad25$eeb23f00$9111758f@aine>

http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/042600-1.shtml

Martin


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> Is there a way to open (print) an Access report from an ASP page?
>
> Here's a big thanks in advance to the Guru that comes up with this one.
>
>
>
>
>
> Lonnie Johnson
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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 17 10:26:44 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:26:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Open an Access report from ASP.Net
In-Reply-To: <003001c3ad25$eeb23f00$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <20031117162644.41254.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com>



Martin, you are da man. Thanks for the prompt response.


Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote: http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/042600-1.shtml

Martin


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Subject: [AccessD] Open an Access report from ASP.Net


> Is there a way to open (print) an Access report from an ASP page?
>
> Here's a big thanks in advance to the Guru that comes up with this one.
>
>
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 17 11:40:37 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:40:37 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Custom Help File Integration
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312449@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

We put our help files in the application folder.  Then it's easy to use
something like CurrentProject.Path to get the folder.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hadyn Morgan [mailto:hadyn at dataconcepts.co.nz] 
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 2:49 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Custom Help File Integration


We have created a custom help file for an A2K database.  The database is
distributed using Wise and Sagekey scripts.  The A2K help says that 2
properties are required to integrate custom help: HelpFile and
HelpContextID. The HelpFile property is supposed to be a fully qualified
path to a Help file.  Only problem is we don't know where the user will
install it to.

Does anybody have have any experience with integrating help files that
can give a few pointers/tips?

Kind regards
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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 17 12:41:34 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:41:34 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
Message-ID: <Sea1-F144DLTQA6QTIg0000c214@hotmail.com>

I've got a seemingly stupid question, but I can't figure it out.  I've got a 
form that collects a staff member's first and last name and uses that 
combination as a primary key (unfortunately, no one can remember their 
employee ID and we don't collect SSN or anything unique they could enter).  
If they violate the exclusivity of that first/last name combination, they 
get the convoluted error message that Access puts out which only serves to 
confuse.  Is there a way for me to replace that message with my own and, if 
so, how do I check for the violation and where would I put the error 
message?  At the moment it comes up when they click the "done" button, which 
seems like a good place.

Thanks,
Gina

p.s. Please don't chastise me for perceived primary key protocol violations.

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Nov 17 12:59:09 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:59:09 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Primary Key Violation
References: <Sea1-F144DLTQA6QTIg0000c214@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000901c3ad3c$e469ae40$260c6351@martin1>

Here we go again (<:

Sorry Gina its a sort of in joke.No  offense intended.

But out of interest we have three Martin Reids in work. How would you create
the PK then?

Martin

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gina Hoopes" <hoopesg at hotmail.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:41 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation


> I've got a seemingly stupid question, but I can't figure it out.  I've got
a
> form that collects a staff member's first and last name and uses that
> combination as a primary key (unfortunately, no one can remember their
> employee ID and we don't collect SSN or anything unique they could enter).
> If they violate the exclusivity of that first/last name combination, they
> get the convoluted error message that Access puts out which only serves to
> confuse.  Is there a way for me to replace that message with my own and,
if
> so, how do I check for the violation and where would I put the error
> message?  At the moment it comes up when they click the "done" button,
which
> seems like a good place.
>
> Thanks,
> Gina
>
> p.s. Please don't chastise me for perceived primary key protocol
violations.
>
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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Mon Nov 17 13:02:55 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:02:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB92B@nnse14.nns.com>

Gina,

Without chastising...hope this helps.


Mark


> how do I check for the violation
Trap for error 2627, I believe.  If this is not the correct error number,
make the corrections in the code below.

> Is there a way for me to replace that message with my own
Yes.

> where would I put the error message?
In the error handler for the event.  Something along the lines of:

***************************************
   'A constant for the error number
   Const cErrDupPrimaryKey = 2627

FunctionExit:
   On Error Resume Next
   Exit Function

ErrHandler:
   Select Case Err.Number
      Case cErrDupPrimaryKey 2627
         'Insert your custom MsgBox here...
         MsgBox "Duplicate Primary Key.  Please re-enter." _
               , vbExclamation, "ErrHandler"
         Resume Next
      Case Else
         MsgBox "The application encountered an unexpected " & _
               "error #" & Err.Number & " with message string '" & _
               Err.Description & "'", _
               vbExclamation, "ErrHandler"
   End Select
   Resume FunctionExit
End Function
***************************************


-----Original Message-----
From: Gina Hoopes [mailto:hoopesg at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:42 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation


I've got a seemingly stupid question, but I can't figure it out.  I've got a

form that collects a staff member's first and last name and uses that 
combination as a primary key (unfortunately, no one can remember their 
employee ID and we don't collect SSN or anything unique they could enter).  
If they violate the exclusivity of that first/last name combination, they 
get the convoluted error message that Access puts out which only serves to 
confuse.  Is there a way for me to replace that message with my own and, if 
so, how do I check for the violation and where would I put the error 
message?  At the moment it comes up when they click the "done" button, which

seems like a good place.

Thanks,
Gina

p.s. Please don't chastise me for perceived primary key protocol violations.

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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 17 13:07:58 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:07:58 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation
Message-ID: <SEA1-F160JIsNZfccWj0000c4c2@hotmail.com>

No offense taken, Martin, I've seen the carnage.  Fortunately this is a 
one-time use db that I have to put together quickly and we don't have any 
staff members with the same name.  This time ...

Gina


From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Primary Key Violation
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:59:09 -0800


But out of interest we have three Martin Reids in work. How would you create
the PK then?

Martin

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Mon Nov 17 13:34:17 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:34:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
Message-ID: <20031117133417.776806128.serbach@new.rr.com>

Gina,

Since Access doesn't have an On Key Violation event, you could put code that handles it in the On Error event. The numeric code for Duplicate Key is 3022. The On Error event procedure has two parameters: DataErr, the error number, and Response, what you tell Access to do about the error. If you have a Select Case DataErr statement in your On Error event code, then you can trap for 3022 and present your own message. Then you can return acDataErrContinue to tell Access to short-circuit the normal duplicate key error message.

There's a good example of this in the Access 2000 Developer's Handbook by Getz, Litwin, and Gilbert.

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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> ------------Original Message------------
> From: Gina Hoopes <hoopesg at hotmail.com>
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Mon, Nov-17-2003 12:48 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
> 
> I've got a seemingly stupid question, but I can't figure it out.  I've got a 
> form that collects a staff member's first and last name and uses that 
> combination as a primary key (unfortunately, no one can remember their 
> employee ID and we don't collect SSN or anything unique they could enter).  
> If they violate the exclusivity of that first/last name combination, they 
> get the convoluted error message that Access puts out which only serves to 
> confuse.  Is there a way for me to replace that message with my own and, if 
> so, how do I check for the violation and where would I put the error 
> message?  At the moment it comes up when they click the "done" button, which 
> seems like a good place.
> 
> Thanks,
> Gina
> 
> p.s. Please don't chastise me for perceived primary key protocol violations.
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 17 13:34:08 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:34:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631244A@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Gina,

There is no such thing as a one-time use application, trust me.  If it
works, they'll want to keep using it.  Do yourself a favor and use an
artificial key rather than the staff names.  You can still create a
unique key with the name and something like their work phone number,
which you should surely be able to collect.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gina Hoopes [mailto:hoopesg at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation


No offense taken, Martin, I've seen the carnage.  Fortunately this is a 
one-time use db that I have to put together quickly and we don't have
any 
staff members with the same name.  This time ...

Gina


From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Primary Key Violation
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:59:09 -0800


But out of interest we have three Martin Reids in work. How would you
create the PK then?

Martin

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From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Mon Nov 17 13:40:02 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:40:02 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7CF8@EXCHMAIL>

Famous last words... 

;)

D

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gina Hoopes
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation


No offense taken, Martin, I've seen the carnage.  Fortunately this is a 
one-time use db that I have to put together quickly and we don't have any 
staff members with the same name.  This time ...

Gina


From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  Primary Key Violation
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:59:09 -0800


But out of interest we have three Martin Reids in work. How would you create
the PK then?

Martin

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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 17 13:52:43 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:52:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
Message-ID: <Sea1-F80zFrYBiNc49J0000c29e@hotmail.com>

I am actually using an AutoNumber for an ID that links them to the other 
pertinent tables, but when they go to enter or edit their data, they don't 
know this number so if they've already put in their data and they attempt to 
do it again instead of editing what's already there, I can't ask them for 
anything but their name to check if they've already entered data.  I'm open 
to any better suggestions.

Thanks for your help,
Gina


From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:34:08 -0800

Gina,

There is no such thing as a one-time use application, trust me.  If it
works, they'll want to keep using it.  Do yourself a favor and use an
artificial key rather than the staff names.  You can still create a
unique key with the name and something like their work phone number,
which you should surely be able to collect.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gina Hoopes [mailto:hoopesg at hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation


No offense taken, Martin, I've seen the carnage.  Fortunately this is a
one-time use db that I have to put together quickly and we don't have
any
staff members with the same name.  This time ...

Gina

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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 17 14:41:29 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:41:29 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-F80zFrYBiNc49J0000c29e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEBNENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Gina,
Not sure I understand everything you're doing here but here's a couple of
ideas:
present a listbox or combobox of existing names to choose from, If they
can't find it then let them add a new name.

If their name exists make them use a middle intial. If that exists make them
use the full middle name, if that exists make them add their lucky number to
the end, if that doesn't work then make them add their...
:o)

If this is on their personal PCs add a column to the table which holds their
windows login then use that to identify them if its present and then present
their full name on the screen in a form they can relate to. (lookup their
name for them based on windows login). If the login is not present then make
them enter a new name.

HTH
John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gina Hoopes
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:53 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
>
>
> I am actually using an AutoNumber for an ID that links them to the other
> pertinent tables, but when they go to enter or edit their data,
> they don't
> know this number so if they've already put in their data and they
> attempt to
> do it again instead of editing what's already there, I can't ask them for
> anything but their name to check if they've already entered data.
>  I'm open
> to any better suggestions.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Gina
>
>
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation
> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:34:08 -0800
>
> Gina,
>
> There is no such thing as a one-time use application, trust me.  If it
> works, they'll want to keep using it.  Do yourself a favor and use an
> artificial key rather than the staff names.  You can still create a
> unique key with the name and something like their work phone number,
> which you should surely be able to collect.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gina Hoopes [mailto:hoopesg at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:08 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation
>
>
> No offense taken, Martin, I've seen the carnage.  Fortunately this is a
> one-time use db that I have to put together quickly and we don't have
> any
> staff members with the same name.  This time ...
>
> Gina
>
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From SP1KEMAG00 at aol.com  Mon Nov 17 14:54:17 2003
From: SP1KEMAG00 at aol.com (SP1KEMAG00)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:54:17 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter
In-Reply-To: <LBEOIIMDLCKFLLKNJCMEEEFDCLAA.starkey@wanadoo.nl>
Message-ID: <002101c3ad4c$f9746360$9170bdac@mycomputer>

I've disabled the shift-key completely on a couple of my more recents
dbs and either used a separate admin file to lock/unlock the file and/or
built in some sort of backdoor (typically only available to my logon
id).

This has been more out of interest than to stop noisy users though - I'm
not sure there's any that even know about the shift-key let alone
anything with any tighter security!

Shaun

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of StaRKeY
Sent: 16 November 2003 20:01
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Well actually I haven't been reading for a long time. After you
mentioned this doc I started reading it but there's nothing I didn't
already know. Usually I don't make use of the workgroup file because I
find a user-defined security more flexible and easier to maintain. Code
protection is not the issue for me and on the other hand I do not really
want to use the 'owner permission' stuff. The shift-key feature is
enough in combination with an mde though it would be nicer to have it
locked tight. I guess this is where VB steps in;-)

Thanks,
Eric Starkenburg

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robert Gracie
Sent: zondag 16 november 2003 01:02
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter



Eric,
 Ah yes, I see now... Nope your out of luck... but I guess you know that
the db is not really going to be secure...

You have read the "SECFAQ97" White papers correct?



Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of StaRKeY
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Thank you for the reply Robert.

Robert, I won't be able to prevend them these rights in their own newly
created empty database. So my guess is that the 4th parameter is nice
but not sufficient since from within this new empty database one would
be able to change the property of the 'secured' database or am I missing
something?


Regards,
Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robert Gracie
Sent: zaterdag 15 november 2003 21:55
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Yes, In order to keep them from changing the property you will need to
revoke admin rights from every user and group in your db.

Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of StaRKeY
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 3:37 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors. com
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Allowbypasskey 4th parameter


Hi All,

I have a question about the 'allowbypasskey' property and in specific
the 4th parameter when creating it (DDL).

It is mentioned that having set this parameter to 'True' only admins are
able to change the 'Allowbypasskey' property. Ofcourse this is nice to
know but my question is: if one uses an empty Access DB with the default
system.mdw and thus being an admin wouldn't it be possible to change the
property from within this new database?


TIA,
Eric Starkenburg

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov 17 15:00:59 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:00:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEBNENAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <010c01c3ad4d$e9e23930$210110ac@SUSANONE>

Or, how about avoiding the problem in the first place?

I'm assuming that the employee name is only entered once -- the first time
the employee encounters this particular application? Is there anyway you can
just enter all the employee names now -- and then just let them choose
theirs, as suggested below. Of course, that means someone must update the
database when a new employee is hired, but that's not that unusual.

Susan H.


> Gina,
> Not sure I understand everything you're doing here but here's a couple of
> ideas:
> present a listbox or combobox of existing names to choose from, If they
> can't find it then let them add a new name.
>
> If their name exists make them use a middle intial. If that exists make
them
> use the full middle name, if that exists make them add their lucky number
to
> the end, if that doesn't work then make them add their...
> :o)
>
> If this is on their personal PCs add a column to the table which holds
their
> windows login then use that to identify them if its present and then
present
> their full name on the screen in a form they can relate to. (lookup their
> name for them based on windows login). If the login is not present then
make
> them enter a new name.
>
> HTH
> John B.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gina Hoopes
> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
> >
> >
> > I am actually using an AutoNumber for an ID that links them to the other
> > pertinent tables, but when they go to enter or edit their data,
> > they don't
> > know this number so if they've already put in their data and they
> > attempt to
> > do it again instead of editing what's already there, I can't ask them
for
> > anything but their name to check if they've already entered data.
> >  I'm open
> > to any better suggestions.
> >
> > Thanks for your help,
> > Gina
> >
> >
> > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
> > solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation
> > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:34:08 -0800
> >
> > Gina,
> >
> > There is no such thing as a one-time use application, trust me.  If it
> > works, they'll want to keep using it.  Do yourself a favor and use an
> > artificial key rather than the staff names.  You can still create a
> > unique key with the name and something like their work phone number,
> > which you should surely be able to collect.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gina Hoopes [mailto:hoopesg at hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:08 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation
> >
> >
> > No offense taken, Martin, I've seen the carnage.  Fortunately this is a
> > one-time use db that I have to put together quickly and we don't have
> > any
> > staff members with the same name.  This time ...
> >
> > Gina
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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> > http://shopping.msn.com
> >
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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Mon Nov 17 14:03:56 2003
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:03:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Message-ID: <178810-220031111720356963@christopherhawkins.com>

Good morning! I just got a shiny new development box at work and I'm
excited. So far the only snag is that my install of Access 2003
doesn't seem to recognize the Visual SourceSafe 6.0d installed on the
same machine.  Ordinarily, Access would display a Source Safe item on
it's Tools menu. Mine does not.

Is there a registry hack or some such that I need to put in place to
make these two play nicely together?
 
-Christopher Hawkins-



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 17 15:41:42 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:41:42 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3F7@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

The VSS add-in for earlier versions came with the ODE.  Since there
isn't any such animal in 2003, I'm not sure where that leaves those of
us who use Source Safe.  It's an interesting question, though, and I
hope someone on the list will be able to answer the question before I
put 2003 on my machine.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:04 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS


Good morning! I just got a shiny new development box at work and I'm
excited. So far the only snag is that my install of Access 2003 doesn't
seem to recognize the Visual SourceSafe 6.0d installed on the same
machine.  Ordinarily, Access would display a Source Safe item on it's
Tools menu. Mine does not.

Is there a registry hack or some such that I need to put in place to
make these two play nicely together?
 
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From hoopesg at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 17 16:34:13 2003
From: hoopesg at hotmail.com (Gina Hoopes)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:34:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
Message-ID: <Sea1-F88C4wgKuu8FZg0000cce9@hotmail.com>

This is the perfect solution, John (the last part, I mean).  I can grab 
their user ID from their logon and that eliminates the need for them to 
enter it.  Thanks!!

Gina


From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:41:29 -0600

Gina,
Not sure I understand everything you're doing here but here's a couple of
ideas:
present a listbox or combobox of existing names to choose from, If they
can't find it then let them add a new name.

If their name exists make them use a middle intial. If that exists make them
use the full middle name, if that exists make them add their lucky number to
the end, if that doesn't work then make them add their...
:o)

If this is on their personal PCs add a column to the table which holds their
windows login then use that to identify them if its present and then present
their full name on the screen in a form they can relate to. (lookup their
name for them based on windows login). If the login is not present then make
them enter a new name.

HTH
John B.

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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Mon Nov 17 16:56:26 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:56:26 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] VSS Question
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01C75301@ccemail2.cce.local>

I just started using VSS with my ADP file (this does work by the way).
I'm wondering what I need to do when I release this to my users?  Is
there an easy way to disconnect my application from VSS?

--Susan


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Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568



From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 17 17:02:51 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:02:51 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-F88C4wgKuu8FZg0000cce9@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEIGFFAA.john@winhaven.net>

Glad I could help!

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gina Hoopes
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 4:34 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
> 
> 
> This is the perfect solution, John (the last part, I mean).  I can grab 
> their user ID from their logon and that eliminates the need for them to 
> enter it.  Thanks!!
> 
> Gina
> 
> 
> From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
> Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
> solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
> solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:41:29 -0600
> 
> Gina,
> Not sure I understand everything you're doing here but here's a couple of
> ideas:
> present a listbox or combobox of existing names to choose from, If they
> can't find it then let them add a new name.
> 
> If their name exists make them use a middle intial. If that 
> exists make them
> use the full middle name, if that exists make them add their 
> lucky number to
> the end, if that doesn't work then make them add their...
> :o)
> 
> If this is on their personal PCs add a column to the table which 
> holds their
> windows login then use that to identify them if its present and 
> then present
> their full name on the screen in a form they can relate to. (lookup their
> name for them based on windows login). If the login is not 
> present then make
> them enter a new name.
> 
> HTH
> John B.
> 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 17 17:02:32 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:02:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation
In-Reply-To: <Sea1-F144DLTQA6QTIg0000c214@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEJNFLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Gina,

Not to chastise, but it is important to distinguish between "primary key"
and "unique index".

1) A unique index is an index set on one or more columns (fields) to prevent
entering the same data in that field or fields.

2) A primary key is used to fill foreign keys in child tables, which creates
the "link" between parent / child tables (records).

Understanding this, then understand that Access automatically sets up a
unique index on any field / set of fields used as a PK, i.e. has the key
symbol next to it / them.  So it often APPEARS that the PK is a unique
index, but they are in fact two completely different things.

I am not going to go into the natural vs artificial key thing, there is
ample coverage in the archives.

It appears from another message from you where you discuss an autonumber
field, that you are actually talking about a unique index, not a PK.  The
autonumber appears to be your PK (and has a unique index on it as well we
assume), and then you somehow created a unique index on the set of fields
(last name / first name) such that identical data cannot be entered in these
fields taken as a whole.

Now, to your problem.  There is no way to test for the unique index being
violated (identical info) until the point where you  attempt to store the
data.  At that point you see the errors you indicate generated by JET.
Other people have already discussed trapping the errors which is the "after
the fact" way of doing things.  Personally, I don't like that method because
it implies you have already entered a TON of data (address, birthday, sexual
preferences, etc. ad nausium) and this sorely pisses off the user to have to
enter all that stuff only to be told that it was already in there when at
the very end they try to save it.

It is therefore preferable to take the info in the unique index and "look it
up" somehow after just that much has been entered, in effect bypassing
entering anything that doesn't absolutely have to be entered.

One list member discussed the idea of a combo to see if it exists already.
That works well and is widely used.  Another way is to have a search screen
where wild cards can be used, particularly if they are entering names from
handwritten lists where spelling is suspect.  This allows getting a "set" of
records based on what is already entered, and visually inspecting the set to
see if the one desired is in it etc.

So my answer to you is no NOT let them get to the point where they get the
error, but rather use some form of search and if not found, then enter the
data.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gina Hoopes
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:42 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primary Key Violation


I've got a seemingly stupid question, but I can't figure it out.  I've got a
form that collects a staff member's first and last name and uses that
combination as a primary key (unfortunately, no one can remember their
employee ID and we don't collect SSN or anything unique they could enter).
If they violate the exclusivity of that first/last name combination, they
get the convoluted error message that Access puts out which only serves to
confuse.  Is there a way for me to replace that message with my own and, if
so, how do I check for the violation and where would I put the error
message?  At the moment it comes up when they click the "done" button, which
seems like a good place.

Thanks,
Gina

p.s. Please don't chastise me for perceived primary key protocol violations.

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 17 17:17:38 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:17:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] VSS Question
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631244E@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

With an mdb, you compact a copy out of the source safe version, and it
prompts you to see if you want to remove it from source safe.  I've
never tried it with an ADP, so maybe someone else can answer that
question.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 2:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] VSS Question


I just started using VSS with my ADP file (this does work by the way).
I'm wondering what I need to do when I release this to my users?  Is
there an easy way to disconnect my application from VSS?

--Susan


Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568


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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Mon Nov 17 17:40:30 2003
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:40:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Message-ID: <293910-2200311117234030708@christopherhawkins.com>

There is a "Visual Studio.NET Tools for Microsoft Office 2003", but
it does not appear to be anything like the ODE we have all come to
know.

I understand that MS has been helping SourceGear market it's Vault
product - a product that was specifically designed to be a
replacement for VSS.  I wonder if MS has given up on VSS?

-C-

---- Original Message ----
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:41:42 -0800

>The VSS add-in for earlier versions came with the ODE.  Since there
>isn't any such animal in 2003, I'm not sure where that leaves those 
>of
>us who use Source Safe.  It's an interesting question, though, and I
>hope someone on the list will be able to answer the question before I
>put 2003 on my machine.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com] 
>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:04 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>
>
>Good morning! I just got a shiny new development box at work and I'm
>excited. So far the only snag is that my install of Access 2003 
>doesn't
>seem to recognize the Visual SourceSafe 6.0d installed on the same
>machine.  Ordinarily, Access would display a Source Safe item on it's
>Tools menu. Mine does not.
>
>Is there a registry hack or some such that I need to put in place to
>make these two play nicely together?
> 
>-Christopher Hawkins-
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>
>



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 17 17:46:06 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:46:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631244F@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

There's a specific set of tools for Access 2003 as well.  That may be
where the hooks are found.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 3:41 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS


There is a "Visual Studio.NET Tools for Microsoft Office 2003", but it
does not appear to be anything like the ODE we have all come to know.

I understand that MS has been helping SourceGear market it's Vault
product - a product that was specifically designed to be a replacement
for VSS.  I wonder if MS has given up on VSS?

-C-

---- Original Message ----
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:41:42 -0800

>The VSS add-in for earlier versions came with the ODE.  Since there 
>isn't any such animal in 2003, I'm not sure where that leaves those of
>us who use Source Safe.  It's an interesting question, though, and I
>hope someone on the list will be able to answer the question before I
>put 2003 on my machine.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:04 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>
>
>Good morning! I just got a shiny new development box at work and I'm 
>excited. So far the only snag is that my install of Access 2003 doesn't
>seem to recognize the Visual SourceSafe 6.0d installed on the same
>machine.  Ordinarily, Access would display a Source Safe item on it's
>Tools menu. Mine does not.
>
>Is there a registry hack or some such that I need to put in place to 
>make these two play nicely together?
> 
>-Christopher Hawkins-
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Mon Nov 17 17:52:28 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:52:28 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] VSS Question
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01C75304@ccemail2.cce.local>

Thanks, Charlotte. That works with ADP file, too.

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 5:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] VSS Question


With an mdb, you compact a copy out of the source safe version, and it
prompts you to see if you want to remove it from source safe.  I've
never tried it with an ADP, so maybe someone else can answer that
question.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 2:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] VSS Question


I just started using VSS with my ADP file (this does work by the way).
I'm wondering what I need to do when I release this to my users?  Is
there an easy way to disconnect my application from VSS?

--Susan


Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568


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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Mon Nov 17 18:56:52 2003
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:56:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Message-ID: <245790-220031121805652173@christopherhawkins.com>

What tools are you referring to?  There must be a CD I haven't found
someplace in this MSN subscription.

-Christopher-

---- Original Message ----
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:46:06 -0800

>There's a specific set of tools for Access 2003 as well.  That may be
>where the hooks are found.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com] 
>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 3:41 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>
>
>There is a "Visual Studio.NET Tools for Microsoft Office 2003", but 
>it
>does not appear to be anything like the ODE we have all come to know.
>
>I understand that MS has been helping SourceGear market it's Vault
>product - a product that was specifically designed to be a 
>replacement
>for VSS.  I wonder if MS has given up on VSS?
>
>-C-
>
>---- Original Message ----
>From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:41:42 -0800
>
>>The VSS add-in for earlier versions came with the ODE.  Since there 
>>isn't any such animal in 2003, I'm not sure where that leaves those 
>of
>>us who use Source Safe.  It's an interesting question, though, and I
>>hope someone on the list will be able to answer the question before 
>I
>>put 2003 on my machine.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
>>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:04 PM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>>
>>
>>Good morning! I just got a shiny new development box at work and 
>I'm 
>>excited. So far the only snag is that my install of Access 2003 
>doesn't
>>seem to recognize the Visual SourceSafe 6.0d installed on the same
>>machine.  Ordinarily, Access would display a Source Safe item on 
>it's
>>Tools menu. Mine does not.
>>
>>Is there a registry hack or some such that I need to put in place 
>to 
>>make these two play nicely together?
>> 
>>-Christopher Hawkins-
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
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>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>
>
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>
>



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 17 19:23:03 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:23:03 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312450@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Access 2003 Developer Extensions, part of  Visual Studio Tools for the
Microsoft Office System
http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/office/technologyinfo/devtools/accessexten
sions/default.aspx


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 4:57 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS


What tools are you referring to?  There must be a CD I haven't found
someplace in this MSN subscription.

-Christopher-

---- Original Message ----
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:46:06 -0800

>There's a specific set of tools for Access 2003 as well.  That may be 
>where the hooks are found.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 3:41 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>
>
>There is a "Visual Studio.NET Tools for Microsoft Office 2003", but
>it
>does not appear to be anything like the ODE we have all come to know.
>
>I understand that MS has been helping SourceGear market it's Vault 
>product - a product that was specifically designed to be a replacement
>for VSS.  I wonder if MS has given up on VSS?
>
>-C-
>
>---- Original Message ----
>From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com,
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:41:42 -0800
>
>>The VSS add-in for earlier versions came with the ODE.  Since there
>>isn't any such animal in 2003, I'm not sure where that leaves those 
>of
>>us who use Source Safe.  It's an interesting question, though, and I 
>>hope someone on the list will be able to answer the question before
>I
>>put 2003 on my machine.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
>>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:04 PM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>>
>>
>>Good morning! I just got a shiny new development box at work and
>I'm
>>excited. So far the only snag is that my install of Access 2003
>doesn't
>>seem to recognize the Visual SourceSafe 6.0d installed on the same 
>>machine.  Ordinarily, Access would display a Source Safe item on
>it's
>>Tools menu. Mine does not.
>>
>>Is there a registry hack or some such that I need to put in place
>to
>>make these two play nicely together?
>> 
>>-Christopher Hawkins-
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>
>
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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Mon Nov 17 20:19:35 2003
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:19:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Message-ID: <410-220031121821935986@christopherhawkins.com>

Hm.  That's the same Visual Studio Tools package I installed on my
new machine, but I don't see Access Extensions anywhere.  Hm.  Time
for a reinstall!

-Christopher-

---- Original Message ----
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:23:03 -0800

>Access 2003 Developer Extensions, part of  Visual Studio Tools for 
>the
>Microsoft Office System
>http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/office/technologyinfo/devtools/accessex
>ten
>sions/default.aspx
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com] 
>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 4:57 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>
>
>What tools are you referring to?  There must be a CD I haven't found
>someplace in this MSN subscription.
>
>-Christopher-
>
>---- Original Message ----
>From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:46:06 -0800
>
>>There's a specific set of tools for Access 2003 as well.  That may 
>be 
>>where the hooks are found.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
>>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 3:41 PM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>>
>>
>>There is a "Visual Studio.NET Tools for Microsoft Office 2003", but
>>it
>>does not appear to be anything like the ODE we have all come to 
>know.
>>
>>I understand that MS has been helping SourceGear market it's Vault 
>>product - a product that was specifically designed to be a 
>replacement
>>for VSS.  I wonder if MS has given up on VSS?
>>
>>-C-
>>
>>---- Original Message ----
>>From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com,
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:41:42 -0800
>>
>>>The VSS add-in for earlier versions came with the ODE.  Since there
>>>isn't any such animal in 2003, I'm not sure where that leaves 
>those 
>>of
>>>us who use Source Safe.  It's an interesting question, though, and 
>I 
>>>hope someone on the list will be able to answer the question before
>>I
>>>put 2003 on my machine.
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
>>>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:04 PM
>>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>>Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>>>
>>>
>>>Good morning! I just got a shiny new development box at work and
>>I'm
>>>excited. So far the only snag is that my install of Access 2003
>>doesn't
>>>seem to recognize the Visual SourceSafe 6.0d installed on the same 
>>>machine.  Ordinarily, Access would display a Source Safe item on
>>it's
>>>Tools menu. Mine does not.
>>>
>>>Is there a registry hack or some such that I need to put in place
>>to
>>>make these two play nicely together?
>>> 
>>>-Christopher Hawkins-
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>AccessD mailing list
>>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Mon Nov 17 20:48:16 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:48:16 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227577@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <019e01c3ad7e$6aeac080$3c619a89@DDICK>

Thanks Drew
I have passed this onto her

Have a great day

Darren

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 5:03 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser


> Certainly not impossible, but quite frankly, it would be easier to just use
> Terminal Server, Citrix, or Remote Administrator, then to go and create what
> would be a pretty complex ASP site.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser
> 
> 
> Hi Drew 
> Thanks for the reply
> I mean setting permissions, creating users and groups, changing passwords,
> etc,
> as you suggested.
> 
> Basically she would like interfacing with Access Security and totally
> managing, at every
> level via a browser, whatever you can manage whilst sitting directly in from
> of the System.mdw file
> 
> In relation to John Colby's Poll on Access Security I am a 14. Never touched
> the stuff and
> am vaguely aware that it exists. So if it seems I am asking the impossible
> because I don't know
> any better it's because...I don't know any better :-))
> 
> Many thanks for the reply
> 
> Darren
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 5:40 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser
> 
> 
> > What do you mean Darren.  Do you mean like setting permissions, creating
> > users and groups, changing passwords, etc?  Or simply logging into a
> secured
> > database?
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:48 PM
> > To: AccessD List
> > Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Access Security via a browser
> > 
> > 
> > Hello all
> > I have a Web Developer friend asking me if anyone knows of some useful
> > URL's that will show how to or give examples of administering Access
> > security via a browser.
> > 
> > She has Access Security implemented and can administer it fine from the
> > local PC via the
> > 'normal' means, she just wants to do it via the web 
> > 
> > Many thanks in advance
> > 
> > Darren
> > 
> > 
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 17 21:41:52 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:41:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEIMFFAA.john@winhaven.net>

I need someone to unlock my brainjam!

"strNewEventName" is a string variable I need to insert in this statement
and after a half an hour I can't seem to get the syntax correct.

DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO tblEvent ( fldName, " & _
            "fldEvTypeID, fldOccur, fldLocation, " & _
            "fldDesc, fldDeptID, fldRecorded, " & _
            "fldStaffID ) " & _
            "SELECT strNewEventName AS fldName, tblEvent." & _
            "fldEvTypeID, tblEvent.fldOccur, tblEvent." & _
            "fldLocation, tblEvent.fldDesc, tblEvent." & _
            "fldDeptID, tblEvent.fldRecorded, " & _
            "tblEvent.fldStaffID " & _
            "FROM tblEvent;"

TIA
JB



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov 17 21:53:19 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:53:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222758D@main2.marlow.com>

"SELECT " & strNewEventName & " AS fldName, tblEvent." & _

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:42 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] 


I need someone to unlock my brainjam!

"strNewEventName" is a string variable I need to insert in this statement
and after a half an hour I can't seem to get the syntax correct.

DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO tblEvent ( fldName, " & _
            "fldEvTypeID, fldOccur, fldLocation, " & _
            "fldDesc, fldDeptID, fldRecorded, " & _
            "fldStaffID ) " & _
            "SELECT strNewEventName AS fldName, tblEvent." & _
            "fldEvTypeID, tblEvent.fldOccur, tblEvent." & _
            "fldLocation, tblEvent.fldDesc, tblEvent." & _
            "fldDeptID, tblEvent.fldRecorded, " & _
            "tblEvent.fldStaffID " & _
            "FROM tblEvent;"

TIA
JB


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 17 21:53:36 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:53:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEIMFFAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEKFFLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

"SELECT " & strNewEventName & " AS fldName

This assumes that you want the contents of strNewEventName "interpreted" and
that value of the variable placed in the string.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:42 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD]


I need someone to unlock my brainjam!

"strNewEventName" is a string variable I need to insert in this statement
and after a half an hour I can't seem to get the syntax correct.

DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO tblEvent ( fldName, " & _
            "fldEvTypeID, fldOccur, fldLocation, " & _
            "fldDesc, fldDeptID, fldRecorded, " & _
            "fldStaffID ) " & _
            "SELECT strNewEventName AS fldName, tblEvent." & _
            "fldEvTypeID, tblEvent.fldOccur, tblEvent." & _
            "fldLocation, tblEvent.fldDesc, tblEvent." & _
            "fldDeptID, tblEvent.fldRecorded, " & _
            "tblEvent.fldStaffID " & _
            "FROM tblEvent;"

TIA
JB


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From connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au  Mon Nov 17 21:56:36 2003
From: connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au (connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:56:36 +1100
Subject: [AccessD]
Message-ID: <OF93922AA6.7882AE65-ONCA256DE2.0015A02D@agric.nsw.gov.au>

"SELECT " & strNewEventName & " AS fldName, tblEvent." & _

Connie Kamrowski

Analyst/Programmer
Information Technology
NSW Agriculture
Orange

Ph: 02 6391 3250
Fax:02 6391 3290





"John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
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18/11/2003 02:41 PM
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I need someone to unlock my brainjam!

"strNewEventName" is a string variable I need to insert in this statement
and after a half an hour I can't seem to get the syntax correct.

DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO tblEvent ( fldName, " & _
            "fldEvTypeID, fldOccur, fldLocation, " & _
            "fldDesc, fldDeptID, fldRecorded, " & _
            "fldStaffID ) " & _
            "SELECT strNewEventName AS fldName, tblEvent." & _
            "fldEvTypeID, tblEvent.fldOccur, tblEvent." & _
            "fldLocation, tblEvent.fldDesc, tblEvent." & _
            "fldDeptID, tblEvent.fldRecorded, " & _
            "tblEvent.fldStaffID " & _
            "FROM tblEvent;"

TIA
JB


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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Mon Nov 17 21:59:48 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:59:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEIMFFAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <000501c3ad88$68e8ca70$7001a8c0@COA3>

 "SELECT " & strNewEventName & " AS fldName, tblEvent." & _

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:42 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] 


I need someone to unlock my brainjam!

"strNewEventName" is a string variable I need to insert in this
statement and after a half an hour I can't seem to get the syntax
correct.

DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO tblEvent ( fldName, " & _
            "fldEvTypeID, fldOccur, fldLocation, " & _
            "fldDesc, fldDeptID, fldRecorded, " & _
            "fldStaffID ) " & _
            "SELECT strNewEventName AS fldName, tblEvent." & _
            "fldEvTypeID, tblEvent.fldOccur, tblEvent." & _
            "fldLocation, tblEvent.fldDesc, tblEvent." & _
            "fldDeptID, tblEvent.fldRecorded, " & _
            "tblEvent.fldStaffID " & _
            "FROM tblEvent;"

TIA
JB


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 17 22:30:02 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:30:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Excel warning on save
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEKHFLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I am getting a spreadsheet in an old format.  In order to get it to a
version that will link into Access, I renamed the sheet inside and saved.
It pops up a warning about "was in 2.x, do you want to save in xxx etc.".  I
would like to avoid that warning (just save it).

Anyone know how to turn off that warning?

Is there any "direct way" to modify it such that it is now a current version
of Excel?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com



From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 17 22:38:10 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:38:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEIMFFAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEECCENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Thanks everyone!
That was quick, went up for another cup of mud and had 4 answers already.

Unfortunatley, you all confirmed that I don't have brainlock. It was my
original syntax, (and I think the 5th, 12th and 17th attempt's syntaxes)

Now I have to troubleshoot this thing as to why the SQL statement is causing
an error.
:o(

Thanks again.
JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:42 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD]
>
>
> I need someone to unlock my brainjam!
>
> "strNewEventName" is a string variable I need to insert in this statement
> and after a half an hour I can't seem to get the syntax correct.
>
> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO tblEvent ( fldName, " & _
>             "fldEvTypeID, fldOccur, fldLocation, " & _
>             "fldDesc, fldDeptID, fldRecorded, " & _
>             "fldStaffID ) " & _
>             "SELECT strNewEventName AS fldName, tblEvent." & _
>             "fldEvTypeID, tblEvent.fldOccur, tblEvent." & _
>             "fldLocation, tblEvent.fldDesc, tblEvent." & _
>             "fldDeptID, tblEvent.fldRecorded, " & _
>             "tblEvent.fldStaffID " & _
>             "FROM tblEvent;"
>
> TIA
> JB
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 17 23:08:45 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:08:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEECCENAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOECCENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Well, in a way you all did remove brainlock. Got me off of checking the
syntax and onto troubleshooting it, the way I should've been. I needed to
add some single quotes when building the string variable "strNewEventName".

Thanks!
jb

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:38 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD]
>
>
> Thanks everyone!
> That was quick, went up for another cup of mud and had 4 answers already.
>
> Unfortunatley, you all confirmed that I don't have brainlock. It was my
> original syntax, (and I think the 5th, 12th and 17th attempt's syntaxes)
>
> Now I have to troubleshoot this thing as to why the SQL statement
> is causing
> an error.
> :o(
>
> Thanks again.
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:42 PM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD]
> >
> >
> > I need someone to unlock my brainjam!
> >
> > "strNewEventName" is a string variable I need to insert in this
> statement
> > and after a half an hour I can't seem to get the syntax correct.
> >
> > DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO tblEvent ( fldName, " & _
> >             "fldEvTypeID, fldOccur, fldLocation, " & _
> >             "fldDesc, fldDeptID, fldRecorded, " & _
> >             "fldStaffID ) " & _
> >             "SELECT strNewEventName AS fldName, tblEvent." & _
> >             "fldEvTypeID, tblEvent.fldOccur, tblEvent." & _
> >             "fldLocation, tblEvent.fldDesc, tblEvent." & _
> >             "fldDeptID, tblEvent.fldRecorded, " & _
> >             "tblEvent.fldStaffID " & _
> >             "FROM tblEvent;"
> >
> > TIA
> > JB
> >
> >
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> >
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From pcs at azizaz.com  Mon Nov 17 23:23:08 2003
From: pcs at azizaz.com (Borge Steen Hansen)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:23:08 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Question
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEECCENAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <000901c3ad94$0e5432f0$be0e90cb@prosys.local>

Hi,
anyone with a quick answer to this one:

Excel appears to treat blank cell as zero

I've created a function that tests the value in a cell (say A1) using Select
Case and delivers a value in another cell (say B1) depending on value in
cell.

The function tests on values 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and responds with a message
if any other value is entered.

So far so good!

Now, the annoying part is that a blank value - null - is treated as ZERO by
the function.


How do I turn this off - so that a the value of a blank cell is treated as
null ???

Regards


Borge,



From pcs at azizaz.com  Mon Nov 17 23:46:11 2003
From: pcs at azizaz.com (Borge Steen Hansen)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:46:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] 
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOECCENAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <001f01c3ad97$4679a4f0$be0e90cb@prosys.local>

I don't know if this is relevant for you, but if the textstring that your
string variable holds may contain single quote (like in "Sandy's Order") you
need to handle that as well in your sql string....
regards
Borge


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 3:08 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


> Well, in a way you all did remove brainlock. Got me off of checking the
> syntax and onto troubleshooting it, the way I should've been. I needed to
> add some single quotes when building the string variable
"strNewEventName".
>
> Thanks!
> jb
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:38 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD]
> >
> >
> > Thanks everyone!
> > That was quick, went up for another cup of mud and had 4 answers
already.
> >
> > Unfortunatley, you all confirmed that I don't have brainlock. It was my
> > original syntax, (and I think the 5th, 12th and 17th attempt's syntaxes)
> >
> > Now I have to troubleshoot this thing as to why the SQL statement
> > is causing
> > an error.
> > :o(
> >
> > Thanks again.
> > JB
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:42 PM
> > > To: AccessD
> > > Subject: [AccessD]
> > >
> > >
> > > I need someone to unlock my brainjam!
> > >
> > > "strNewEventName" is a string variable I need to insert in this
> > statement
> > > and after a half an hour I can't seem to get the syntax correct.
> > >
> > > DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO tblEvent ( fldName, " & _
> > >             "fldEvTypeID, fldOccur, fldLocation, " & _
> > >             "fldDesc, fldDeptID, fldRecorded, " & _
> > >             "fldStaffID ) " & _
> > >             "SELECT strNewEventName AS fldName, tblEvent." & _
> > >             "fldEvTypeID, tblEvent.fldOccur, tblEvent." & _
> > >             "fldLocation, tblEvent.fldDesc, tblEvent." & _
> > >             "fldDeptID, tblEvent.fldRecorded, " & _
> > >             "tblEvent.fldStaffID " & _
> > >             "FROM tblEvent;"
> > >
> > > TIA
> > > JB
> > >
> > >
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 17 23:55:19 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:55:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 
In-Reply-To: <001f01c3ad97$4679a4f0$be0e90cb@prosys.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGECDENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Borge,
Thanks, that's a good point. I'm padding the variable with quotes after I
build it to cover all possible problems.

jb

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Borge Steen
> Hansen
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD]
>
>
> I don't know if this is relevant for you, but if the textstring that your
> string variable holds may contain single quote (like in "Sandy's
> Order") you
> need to handle that as well in your sql string....
> regards
> Borge
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 3:08 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD]
>
>
> > Well, in a way you all did remove brainlock. Got me off of checking the
> > syntax and onto troubleshooting it, the way I should've been. I
> needed to
> > add some single quotes when building the string variable
> "strNewEventName".
> >
> > Thanks!
> > jb
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:38 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD]
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks everyone!
> > > That was quick, went up for another cup of mud and had 4 answers
> already.
> > >
> > > Unfortunatley, you all confirmed that I don't have brainlock.
> It was my
> > > original syntax, (and I think the 5th, 12th and 17th
> attempt's syntaxes)
> > >
> > > Now I have to troubleshoot this thing as to why the SQL statement
> > > is causing
> > > an error.
> > > :o(
> > >
> > > Thanks again.
> > > JB
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> John Bartow
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:42 PM
> > > > To: AccessD
> > > > Subject: [AccessD]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I need someone to unlock my brainjam!
> > > >
> > > > "strNewEventName" is a string variable I need to insert in this
> > > statement
> > > > and after a half an hour I can't seem to get the syntax correct.
> > > >
> > > > DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO tblEvent ( fldName, " & _
> > > >             "fldEvTypeID, fldOccur, fldLocation, " & _
> > > >             "fldDesc, fldDeptID, fldRecorded, " & _
> > > >             "fldStaffID ) " & _
> > > >             "SELECT strNewEventName AS fldName, tblEvent." & _
> > > >             "fldEvTypeID, tblEvent.fldOccur, tblEvent." & _
> > > >             "fldLocation, tblEvent.fldDesc, tblEvent." & _
> > > >             "fldDeptID, tblEvent.fldRecorded, " & _
> > > >             "tblEvent.fldStaffID " & _
> > > >             "FROM tblEvent;"
> > > >
> > > > TIA
> > > > JB
> > > >
> > > >
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Tue Nov 18 06:25:35 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 06:25:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Training Location Tables
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C99C@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I am setting up a new database for training results. The records are entered
by location, each location has a class & an instructor. Then they track each
students comments about the class & instructor.
 
I am confused on how to set up the table to link the location with the
class. I created a tblLocation, tblInstructor, tblClasses. Would I need a
tblClassDetails that would contain the DetailID PK, ClassID, InstructorID, &
LocationID?
 
Or would I need just a DetailID & LocationID (tblDetailLocation). If so, how
do I connect that to the form to make the entries to the tblDetailLocation?
 
Or do I just add each field, tblLocation, tblInstructor, tblClasses to the
Main table that tracks the students comments?
 
Virginia

From paulawright at boddienoell.com  Tue Nov 18 06:28:03 2003
From: paulawright at boddienoell.com (Paula Wright)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 07:28:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
Message-ID: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCA09E1E@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>

I have an Access XP database calling Crystal Reports 8.5.  I am desparate -
I've looked everywhere I can think of and still no answers.  
 
I have a crystl32.ocx embedded in my subform.  The main form is a
switchboard.  The problem is that the database will not shut down without
using CTRL-ALT-DEL after calling a Crystal Report.  I can open any subform
(including the subform with the ocx) and close without problems, but as soon
as I call the CR I have a problem shutting down.
 
I call Crystal Reports from the subform.  Here is a sample code:
 
Private Sub PNL_Recap_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_PNL_Recap_click
Set db = CurrentDb
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset("Page 1 Report")
If rs![Month1 Occupancy] > 0 And rs![Month1 ADR] > 0 Then
DoCmd.Hourglass True
    Select Case Me.SelectRpt
        Case 1
            CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel Management
System\page1.rpt"
        Case 2
            CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel Management System\page1
$.rpt"
        Case 3
            CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel Management System\page1
Totals.rpt"
        Case 4
            CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel Management
System\page1Y.rpt"
    End Select
 
        CrystalReport3.Destination = 0
        CrystalReport3.WindowState = 2
        CrystalReport3.Action = 1
 
        DoCmd.Hourglass False
Else
    MsgBox "You must fill out fields in ADR/Occupancy."
End If
 
Set rs = Nothing
 
Exit_PNL_Recap_click:
    Exit Sub
Err_PNL_Recap_click:
    MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description & " /PNL_Recap_Click"
    Resume Exit_PNL_Recap_click
End Sub
 
At first I was able to take the focus off the subform before shutting down
and that seemed to work, however that no longer works.  I've been told that
it may not actually be the CR causing the problem but something else.  The
problem is that it seems to work fine except when I open the CR.  That seems
to indicate that something is left hanging, but I don't know what and I don't
know how to close the CR programmatically.
 
Thank you
Paula Wright
 
 

From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Tue Nov 18 06:43:39 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:43:39 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
In-Reply-To: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCA09E1E@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>
Message-ID: <002701c3add1$97a021d0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

I don't use crystal reports, but I'll take a stab and suggest that you may need
to terminate the instance of crystal reports.

If its embedded, I'm not really sure what you'd need to do, but for called
objects you usually need to do something the following when you close the form:
Set object = nothing

So try
Set CrystalReport3 = nothing
In your form close event, and if that fails you may need to lookup your
documentation on how to close it.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Paula Wright
> Sent: Tuesday, 18 November, 2003 8:28 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
>
>
> I have an Access XP database calling Crystal Reports 8.5.  I
> am desparate -
> I've looked everywhere I can think of and still no answers.
>
> I have a crystl32.ocx embedded in my subform.  The main form is a
> switchboard.  The problem is that the database will not shut
> down without
> using CTRL-ALT-DEL after calling a Crystal Report.  I can
> open any subform
> (including the subform with the ocx) and close without
> problems, but as soon
> as I call the CR I have a problem shutting down.
>
> I call Crystal Reports from the subform.  Here is a sample code:
>
> Private Sub PNL_Recap_Click()
> On Error GoTo Err_PNL_Recap_click
> Set db = CurrentDb
> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset("Page 1 Report")
> If rs![Month1 Occupancy] > 0 And rs![Month1 ADR] > 0 Then
> DoCmd.Hourglass True
>     Select Case Me.SelectRpt
>         Case 1
>             CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel Management
> System\page1.rpt"
>         Case 2
>             CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel
> Management System\page1
> $.rpt"
>         Case 3
>             CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel
> Management System\page1
> Totals.rpt"
>         Case 4
>             CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel Management
> System\page1Y.rpt"
>     End Select
>
>         CrystalReport3.Destination = 0
>         CrystalReport3.WindowState = 2
>         CrystalReport3.Action = 1
>
>         DoCmd.Hourglass False
> Else
>     MsgBox "You must fill out fields in ADR/Occupancy."
> End If
>
> Set rs = Nothing
>
> Exit_PNL_Recap_click:
>     Exit Sub
> Err_PNL_Recap_click:
>     MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description & " /PNL_Recap_Click"
>     Resume Exit_PNL_Recap_click
> End Sub
>
> At first I was able to take the focus off the subform before
> shutting down
> and that seemed to work, however that no longer works.  I've
> been told that
> it may not actually be the CR causing the problem but
> something else.  The
> problem is that it seems to work fine except when I open the
> CR.  That seems
> to indicate that something is left hanging, but I don't know
> what and I don't
> know how to close the CR programmatically.
>
> Thank you
> Paula Wright
>
>
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue Nov 18 07:06:05 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:06:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Question
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F8A8@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Borge,

Can you use Excel's built in IsBlank function to determine the empty cell?

HTH,

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Borge Steen Hansen [mailto:pcs at azizaz.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 12:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Question


Hi,
anyone with a quick answer to this one:

Excel appears to treat blank cell as zero

I've created a function that tests the value in a cell (say A1) using Select
Case and delivers a value in another cell (say B1) depending on value in
cell.

The function tests on values 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and responds with a message
if any other value is entered.

So far so good!

Now, the annoying part is that a blank value - null - is treated as ZERO by
the function.


How do I turn this off - so that a the value of a blank cell is treated as
null ???

Regards


Borge,


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From viner at eunet.yu  Tue Nov 18 07:16:57 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:16:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form
Message-ID: <003d01c3add6$5a484c40$0100a8c0@razvoj>

<Crossposted>
Hi,
I need an advice(Access97): on the main form I have 2 subforms, and 3 other(separated by meaning) subforms. The problem is that the users have only 17" screen and I have to shrink the subforms too much. Can you provide any reasonable solution? Like hiding one "thread" of subforms or open one "thread of subforms" on some pop up window or something else?
Many TIA,
    Ervin

From paulawright at boddienoell.com  Tue Nov 18 07:45:34 2003
From: paulawright at boddienoell.com (Paula Wright)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:45:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
Message-ID: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCA09E1F@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>

Believe me, I've tried that and every other method I can think of to close it
and I'm still not having any luck.
 
Set CrystalReport3 = nothing gives me an Invalid Use of Property message.
 
Other variations:
CrystalReport3.exit - Object doesn't support this object or method
CrystalReport3.Object.Exit - Object doesn't support this object or method
CrystalReport3.Connection.Close - Object doesn't support this object or
method
CrystalReport3.Connection.Exit- Object doesn't support this object or method

CrystalReport3.Object.Close - Object doesn't support this object or method

I wish I could find documentation that addresses this situation.  That's what
I'm saying - I've looked EVERYWHERE I can think of and I cannot find any
answers.  I know that someone, somewhere has had to call Crystal Reports from
Access before so there is a solution, I just need to make contact with the
right person.


	-----Original Message----- 
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Stuart
Sanders 
	Sent: Tue 11/18/2003 7:43 AM 
	To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
	Cc: 
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
	
	

	I don't use crystal reports, but I'll take a stab and suggest that
you may need
	to terminate the instance of crystal reports.
	
	If its embedded, I'm not really sure what you'd need to do, but for
called
	objects you usually need to do something the following when you close
the form:
	Set object = nothing
	
	So try
	Set CrystalReport3 = nothing
	In your form close event, and if that fails you may need to lookup
your
	documentation on how to close it.
	
	Stuart
	
	> -----Original Message-----
	> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
	> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
	> Paula Wright
	> Sent: Tuesday, 18 November, 2003 8:28 PM
	> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	> Subject: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
	>
	>
	> I have an Access XP database calling Crystal Reports 8.5.  I
	> am desparate -
	> I've looked everywhere I can think of and still no answers.
	>
	> I have a crystl32.ocx embedded in my subform.  The main form is a
	> switchboard.  The problem is that the database will not shut
	> down without
	> using CTRL-ALT-DEL after calling a Crystal Report.  I can
	> open any subform
	> (including the subform with the ocx) and close without
	> problems, but as soon
	> as I call the CR I have a problem shutting down.
	>
	> I call Crystal Reports from the subform.  Here is a sample code:
	>
	> Private Sub PNL_Recap_Click()
	> On Error GoTo Err_PNL_Recap_click
	> Set db = CurrentDb
	> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset("Page 1 Report")
	> If rs![Month1 Occupancy] > 0 And rs![Month1 ADR] > 0 Then
	> DoCmd.Hourglass True
	>     Select Case Me.SelectRpt
	>         Case 1
	>             CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel Management
	> System\page1.rpt"
	>         Case 2
	>             CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel
	> Management System\page1
	> $.rpt"
	>         Case 3
	>             CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel
	> Management System\page1
	> Totals.rpt"
	>         Case 4
	>             CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel Management
	> System\page1Y.rpt"
	>     End Select
	>
	>         CrystalReport3.Destination = 0
	>         CrystalReport3.WindowState = 2
	>         CrystalReport3.Action = 1
	>
	>         DoCmd.Hourglass False
	> Else
	>     MsgBox "You must fill out fields in ADR/Occupancy."
	> End If
	>
	> Set rs = Nothing
	>
	> Exit_PNL_Recap_click:
	>     Exit Sub
	> Err_PNL_Recap_click:
	>     MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description & " /PNL_Recap_Click"
	>     Resume Exit_PNL_Recap_click
	> End Sub
	>
	> At first I was able to take the focus off the subform before
	> shutting down
	> and that seemed to work, however that no longer works.  I've
	> been told that
	> it may not actually be the CR causing the problem but
	> something else.  The
	> problem is that it seems to work fine except when I open the
	> CR.  That seems
	> to indicate that something is left hanging, but I don't know
	> what and I don't
	> know how to close the CR programmatically.
	>
	> Thank you
	> Paula Wright
	>
	>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Nov 18 07:51:46 2003
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:51:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Question
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEECCENAA.john@winhaven.net>
	<000901c3ad94$0e5432f0$be0e90cb@prosys.local>
Message-ID: <3FBA23F2.4050501@torchlake.com>

Hi Borge,

I ran into this when I was trying to automatically create a chart that 
would interpolate the values of an empty cell, rather than draw a sharp 
sawtooth.  Here's what I found:  if the function is evaluating the cell 
numerically, it sees an enpty cell as having the value of zero.  What I 
ended up using was the following

    'Copy only non-zero data from "onReadings" to "chartOnRead"
    Range("onReadings").Select
    ActiveCell.Select
    For x = 1 To Range("valToLookup").Count
        If ActiveCell.Value <> "" Then
            Selection.Copy
            ActiveCell.Offset(0, 4).Range("A1").Select
            Selection.PasteSpecial Paste:=xlPasteValues
            ActiveCell.Offset(1, -4).Range("A1").Select
        Else: ActiveCell.Offset(1, 0).Range("A1").Select
        End If
     Next x
     Application.CutCopyMode = False

The significant line is - If ActiveCell.Value <> "" Then

HTH

Tina



Borge Steen Hansen wrote:

>Hi,
>anyone with a quick answer to this one:
>
>Excel appears to treat blank cell as zero
>
>I've created a function that tests the value in a cell (say A1) using Select
>Case and delivers a value in another cell (say B1) depending on value in
>cell.
>
>The function tests on values 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and responds with a message
>if any other value is entered.
>
>So far so good!
>
>Now, the annoying part is that a blank value - null - is treated as ZERO by
>the function.
>
>
>How do I turn this off - so that a the value of a blank cell is treated as
>null ???
>
>Regards
>
>
>Borge,
>
>
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From paulawright at boddienoell.com  Tue Nov 18 07:52:33 2003
From: paulawright at boddienoell.com (Paula Wright)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:52:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form
Message-ID: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCA09E20@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>

I've used a main form to call several different subforms and I've also
included tabs in the subform.
 
Place a generic subform on the main form and change the subform being used;
 
   Me.genericsubformname.SourceObject = "Form Name"


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	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Ervin Brindza
Sent: Tue 11/18/2003 8:16 AM 
	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
	Cc: 
	Subject: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form
	
	

	<Crossposted>
	Hi,
	I need an advice(Access97): on the main form I have 2 subforms, and 3
other(separated by meaning) subforms. The problem is that the users have only
17" screen and I have to shrink the subforms too much. Can you provide any
reasonable solution? Like hiding one "thread" of subforms or open one "thread
of subforms" on some pop up window or something else?
	Many TIA,
	    Ervin
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From James at fcidms.com  Tue Nov 18 08:29:33 2003
From: James at fcidms.com (James Barash)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:29:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
In-Reply-To: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9251D3574@win2k-server-1.fci.local>
Message-ID: <E75976F5702D0140B6829010C482D9250211EE@win2k-server-1.fci.local>

When I attended the launch of Office 2003, one of the presenters said
that, internally, Microsoft developers do not use VSS since they found
that, in the words of the presenter, "it sucks". They have a different
as yet unnamed, at least he wouldn't name it, product that should become
a replacement for VSS but he would not give a timeline for public
release.
The .NET tools that were presented only worked with Excel and Word,
nothing at all about Access2003.

James Barash


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 6:41 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS


There is a "Visual Studio.NET Tools for Microsoft Office 2003", but it
does not appear to be anything like the ODE we have all come to know.

I understand that MS has been helping SourceGear market it's Vault
product - a product that was specifically designed to be a replacement
for VSS.  I wonder if MS has given up on VSS?

-C-

---- Original Message ----
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:41:42 -0800

>The VSS add-in for earlier versions came with the ODE.  Since there 
>isn't any such animal in 2003, I'm not sure where that leaves those of
>us who use Source Safe.  It's an interesting question, though, and I
>hope someone on the list will be able to answer the question before I
>put 2003 on my machine.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:04 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>
>
>Good morning! I just got a shiny new development box at work and I'm 
>excited. So far the only snag is that my install of Access 2003 doesn't
>seem to recognize the Visual SourceSafe 6.0d installed on the same
>machine.  Ordinarily, Access would display a Source Safe item on it's
>Tools menu. Mine does not.
>
>Is there a registry hack or some such that I need to put in place to 
>make these two play nicely together?
> 
>-Christopher Hawkins-
>
>
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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Tue Nov 18 08:35:20 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:35:20 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE142@TAPPEEXCH01>

I think a fairly telling aspect of this story is that Microsoft does not use
VSS for their own development.  They have a homebrew program called SLM that
they have used for several years now.

-----Original Message-----
From: James Barash [mailto:James at fcidms.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:30 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS


When I attended the launch of Office 2003, one of the presenters said
that, internally, Microsoft developers do not use VSS since they found
that, in the words of the presenter, "it sucks". They have a different
as yet unnamed, at least he wouldn't name it, product that should become
a replacement for VSS but he would not give a timeline for public
release.
The .NET tools that were presented only worked with Excel and Word,
nothing at all about Access2003.

James Barash


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 6:41 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS


There is a "Visual Studio.NET Tools for Microsoft Office 2003", but it
does not appear to be anything like the ODE we have all come to know.

I understand that MS has been helping SourceGear market it's Vault
product - a product that was specifically designed to be a replacement
for VSS.  I wonder if MS has given up on VSS?

-C-

---- Original Message ----
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:41:42 -0800

>The VSS add-in for earlier versions came with the ODE.  Since there 
>isn't any such animal in 2003, I'm not sure where that leaves those of
>us who use Source Safe.  It's an interesting question, though, and I
>hope someone on the list will be able to answer the question before I
>put 2003 on my machine.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:04 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>
>
>Good morning! I just got a shiny new development box at work and I'm 
>excited. So far the only snag is that my install of Access 2003 doesn't
>seem to recognize the Visual SourceSafe 6.0d installed on the same
>machine.  Ordinarily, Access would display a Source Safe item on it's
>Tools menu. Mine does not.
>
>Is there a registry hack or some such that I need to put in place to 
>make these two play nicely together?
> 
>-Christopher Hawkins-
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov 18 08:58:14 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:58:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Multiplatform Access "replacement"
In-Reply-To: <6320718151.20030317144457@cactus.dk>
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEJHCEAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
	<6320718151.20030317144457@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <5126293357.20031118155814@cactus.dk>

Hi All

The Access inspired tool, Rekall, is now available under GPL:

  http://www.thekompany.com/press_media/full.php3?Id=242

Rekall is here:

  http://www.thekompany.com/products/rekall/

I have no experience with it but it could be interesting, indeed if
you have knowledge in Python.

/gustav


From liam at energyexhausts.co.uk  Tue Nov 18 09:07:25 2003
From: liam at energyexhausts.co.uk (Liam Meadows)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:07:25 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with Access ADP and multiple-step OLE DB
Message-ID: <125066531861D043863CE6453EE8509E017095@energys1.energy.local>

I am trying to create a form Based on an SQL table but when I try and
exit from the form sometimes I get an error saying "'Multiple-step OLE
DB operation generated errors. Check each OLE DB status value, if
available. No work was done.".
I have tried MSKB and changed the Persist Security Info to False in
connection manager (File -> Connections -> All) and checked the registry
setting as described in the MS KB but it still happens. Has anyone any
idea how to resolve this ?

Liam

From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 18 09:48:19 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:48:19 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Map Netwrok Drive
Message-ID: <BAY1-F132xC9nyhxK4k0001538e@hotmail.com>

Hello All,

Anyone know how(or if you can) to map a network drive using API calls?

Thanks,

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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Tue Nov 18 09:59:59 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:59:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Map Netwrok Drive
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB938@nnse14.nns.com>

Microsoft Knowledge Base Article - 256847


Mark


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Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:48 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Map Netwrok Drive


Hello All,

Anyone know how(or if you can) to map a network drive using API calls?

Thanks,

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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Tue Nov 18 10:02:33 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:02:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] acNewRec
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7831@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

I have an Access2002 mdb that is being used by 5 users.

The front-end is located on each user's hard drive, while the linked
tables are located in an Access2002 mdb on the network.

There haven't been any problems in the past month, but now users are
receiving the following error when adding a new record to a form: "Could
not update. Currently locked".  The code is "DoCmd.GoToRecord, ,
acNewRec".

 

Any ideas?

 

TIA,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 


From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Tue Nov 18 10:08:47 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:08:47 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Map Netwrok Drive
Message-ID: <OF13E88C94.E5D6FF34-ON86256DE2.005886CA-86256DE2.0058B18B@nc.us.bank-dns.com>


The API should be:


Connect:
WNetAddConnection
WNetAddConnection2

Disconnect:
WNetCancelConnection
WNetCancelConnection2





                                                                                                                                 
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Anyone know how(or if you can) to map a network drive using API calls?

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From mastercafe at ctv.es  Tue Nov 18 10:17:01 2003
From: mastercafe at ctv.es (MastercafeCTV)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:17:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] acNewRec
In-Reply-To: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7831@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Message-ID: <005201c3adef$66809e40$69fa2250@servercafe>

Check the config in Access 2002:

Default Open Mode : SHARED
Default RecordLocking : EDITED RECORD

When we install a new computer always check the main config from access
(report, general, advanced, etc.)

If this run, check in the main form if you used LOCK EDITED RECORD

Good luck

Juan

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Boyd
Sent: martes, 18 de noviembre de 2003 17:03
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] acNewRec


I have an Access2002 mdb that is being used by 5 users.

The front-end is located on each user's hard drive, while the linked tables
are located in an Access2002 mdb on the network.

There haven't been any problems in the past month, but now users are
receiving the following error when adding a new record to a form: "Could not
update. Currently locked".  The code is "DoCmd.GoToRecord, , acNewRec".

 

Any ideas?

 

TIA,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 

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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Tue Nov 18 10:28:19 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 00:28:19 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
In-Reply-To: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCA09E1F@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>
Message-ID: <003301c3adf0$fc3cdfb0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

OK a couple of questions...

You mentioned you embedded the ocx into the subform.  Have you tested whether it
works if you only call it from the main form?

I did a quick search and found a reference to crviewer also being embedded (was
in a discussion you started at UtterAccess).  Have you tried testing what
methods are availabel for crviewer if that is in fact embedded.  If that handles
the actual display part, perhaps it has a close/etc method.

Finally is it actually possible to call the ocx from code without embedding?  Ie
add reference to the control and then use something along the lines of

Dim crR As CrystalReport

set crR = New CrystalReport

Etc

Sorry can't really offer much more since I don't have it.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Paula Wright
> Sent: Tuesday, 18 November, 2003 9:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
>
>
> Believe me, I've tried that and every other method I can
> think of to close it
> and I'm still not having any luck.
>
> Set CrystalReport3 = nothing gives me an Invalid Use of
> Property message.
>
> Other variations:
> CrystalReport3.exit - Object doesn't support this object or method
> CrystalReport3.Object.Exit - Object doesn't support this
> object or method
> CrystalReport3.Connection.Close - Object doesn't support this
> object or
> method
> CrystalReport3.Connection.Exit- Object doesn't support this
> object or method
>
> CrystalReport3.Object.Close - Object doesn't support this
> object or method
>
> I wish I could find documentation that addresses this
> situation.  That's what
> I'm saying - I've looked EVERYWHERE I can think of and I
> cannot find any
> answers.  I know that someone, somewhere has had to call
> Crystal Reports from
> Access before so there is a solution, I just need to make
> contact with the
> right person.
>
>
> 	-----Original Message----- 
> 	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Stuart
> Sanders
> 	Sent: Tue 11/18/2003 7:43 AM
> 	To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> 	Cc:
> 	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
>
>
>
> 	I don't use crystal reports, but I'll take a stab and
> suggest that
> you may need
> 	to terminate the instance of crystal reports.
>
> 	If its embedded, I'm not really sure what you'd need to
> do, but for
> called
> 	objects you usually need to do something the following
> when you close
> the form:
> 	Set object = nothing
>
> 	So try
> 	Set CrystalReport3 = nothing
> 	In your form close event, and if that fails you may
> need to lookup
> your
> 	documentation on how to close it.
>
> 	Stuart
>
> 	> -----Original Message-----
> 	> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> 	> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> 	> Paula Wright
> 	> Sent: Tuesday, 18 November, 2003 8:28 PM
> 	> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> 	> Subject: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
> 	>
> 	>
> 	> I have an Access XP database calling Crystal Reports 8.5.  I
> 	> am desparate -
> 	> I've looked everywhere I can think of and still no answers.
> 	>
> 	> I have a crystl32.ocx embedded in my subform.  The
> main form is a
> 	> switchboard.  The problem is that the database will not shut
> 	> down without
> 	> using CTRL-ALT-DEL after calling a Crystal Report.  I can
> 	> open any subform
> 	> (including the subform with the ocx) and close without
> 	> problems, but as soon
> 	> as I call the CR I have a problem shutting down.
> 	>
> 	> I call Crystal Reports from the subform.  Here is a
> sample code:
> 	>
> 	> Private Sub PNL_Recap_Click()
> 	> On Error GoTo Err_PNL_Recap_click
> 	> Set db = CurrentDb
> 	> Set rs = db.OpenRecordset("Page 1 Report")
> 	> If rs![Month1 Occupancy] > 0 And rs![Month1 ADR] > 0 Then
> 	> DoCmd.Hourglass True
> 	>     Select Case Me.SelectRpt
> 	>         Case 1
> 	>             CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel
> Management
> 	> System\page1.rpt"
> 	>         Case 2
> 	>             CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel
> 	> Management System\page1
> 	> $.rpt"
> 	>         Case 3
> 	>             CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel
> 	> Management System\page1
> 	> Totals.rpt"
> 	>         Case 4
> 	>             CrystalReport3.ReportFileName = "c:\Hotel
> Management
> 	> System\page1Y.rpt"
> 	>     End Select
> 	>
> 	>         CrystalReport3.Destination = 0
> 	>         CrystalReport3.WindowState = 2
> 	>         CrystalReport3.Action = 1
> 	>
> 	>         DoCmd.Hourglass False
> 	> Else
> 	>     MsgBox "You must fill out fields in ADR/Occupancy."
> 	> End If
> 	>
> 	> Set rs = Nothing
> 	>
> 	> Exit_PNL_Recap_click:
> 	>     Exit Sub
> 	> Err_PNL_Recap_click:
> 	>     MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description & "
> /PNL_Recap_Click"
> 	>     Resume Exit_PNL_Recap_click
> 	> End Sub
> 	>
> 	> At first I was able to take the focus off the subform before
> 	> shutting down
> 	> and that seemed to work, however that no longer works.  I've
> 	> been told that
> 	> it may not actually be the CR causing the problem but
> 	> something else.  The
> 	> problem is that it seems to work fine except when I open the
> 	> CR.  That seems
> 	> to indicate that something is left hanging, but I don't know
> 	> what and I don't
> 	> know how to close the CR programmatically.
> 	>
> 	> Thank you
> 	> Paula Wright
> 	>
> 	>
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From liz at symphonyinfo.com  Tue Nov 18 10:36:17 2003
From: liz at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:36:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] acNewRec
In-Reply-To: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7831@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Message-ID: <E1AM8pz-0002jU-00@gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

Mark,

Have you checked for a corrupt record in the affected tables?  It will
usually show up with ####### in one field.  Deleting the record clears up
the mess.

Liz Doering
Symphony Information Services
liz at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
763-391-7400

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Boyd
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:03 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] acNewRec

I have an Access2002 mdb that is being used by 5 users.

The front-end is located on each user's hard drive, while the linked
tables are located in an Access2002 mdb on the network.

There haven't been any problems in the past month, but now users are
receiving the following error when adding a new record to a form: "Could
not update. Currently locked".  The code is "DoCmd.GoToRecord, ,
acNewRec".

 

Any ideas?

 

TIA,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 18 10:43:32 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:43:32 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with Access ADP and multiple-step OLE DB
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312453@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

You need to error trap the ADO errors specifically and loop through the
connection's errors collection to see what's going on.  A lot of ADO
errors are "silent" in Access.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Liam Meadows [mailto:liam at energyexhausts.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 7:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with Access ADP and multiple-step OLE DB


I am trying to create a form Based on an SQL table but when I try and
exit from the form sometimes I get an error saying "'Multiple-step OLE
DB operation generated errors. Check each OLE DB status value, if
available. No work was done.". I have tried MSKB and changed the Persist
Security Info to False in connection manager (File -> Connections ->
All) and checked the registry setting as described in the MS KB but it
still happens. Has anyone any idea how to resolve this ?

Liam
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From rfv at entelix.com  Tue Nov 18 10:43:22 2003
From: rfv at entelix.com (rfv at entelix.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:43:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Sage RT script
Message-ID: <200311181643.hAIGhY607970@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi,
 
I hope somebody can help me.
 
I purchased the Sage MS Access XP RT script.
 
Now my cliente has Windows 2000 Pro and MS Access 2000 installed.
When he clicks on the shortcut of my app, a error message appears stating
that this application is not soported, wanting to open my app with Access
2000.
So we have to go to the runtime folder, click MS Access XP .exe., but the
problem is that he can not open his other Access 2000 db?s.
 
Is the Sage script not supposed tu avoid all this?
 
 
I hope somebody has the answer.
 
Rudolf F. Vanek
 

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 18 10:51:00 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:51:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312455@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I thought the Access tools were a separate download.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 6:20 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS


Hm.  That's the same Visual Studio Tools package I installed on my new
machine, but I don't see Access Extensions anywhere.  Hm.  Time for a
reinstall!

-Christopher-

---- Original Message ----
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:23:03 -0800

>Access 2003 Developer Extensions, part of  Visual Studio Tools for
>the
>Microsoft Office System
>http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/office/technologyinfo/devtools/accessex
>ten
>sions/default.aspx
>
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 4:57 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>
>
>What tools are you referring to?  There must be a CD I haven't found 
>someplace in this MSN subscription.
>
>-Christopher-
>
>---- Original Message ----
>From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com,
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:46:06 -0800
>
>>There's a specific set of tools for Access 2003 as well.  That may
>be
>>where the hooks are found.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
>>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 3:41 PM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>>
>>
>>There is a "Visual Studio.NET Tools for Microsoft Office 2003", but it
>>does not appear to be anything like the ODE we have all come to 
>know.
>>
>>I understand that MS has been helping SourceGear market it's Vault
>>product - a product that was specifically designed to be a 
>replacement
>>for VSS.  I wonder if MS has given up on VSS?
>>
>>-C-
>>
>>---- Original Message ----
>>From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com,
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:41:42 -0800
>>
>>>The VSS add-in for earlier versions came with the ODE.  Since there 
>>>isn't any such animal in 2003, I'm not sure where that leaves
>those
>>of
>>>us who use Source Safe.  It's an interesting question, though, and
>I
>>>hope someone on the list will be able to answer the question before
>>I
>>>put 2003 on my machine.
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
>>>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:04 PM
>>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>>Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 integration problem with VSS
>>>
>>>
>>>Good morning! I just got a shiny new development box at work and
>>I'm
>>>excited. So far the only snag is that my install of Access 2003
>>doesn't
>>>seem to recognize the Visual SourceSafe 6.0d installed on the same
>>>machine.  Ordinarily, Access would display a Source Safe item on
>>it's
>>>Tools menu. Mine does not.
>>>
>>>Is there a registry hack or some such that I need to put in place
>>to
>>>make these two play nicely together?
>>> 
>>>-Christopher Hawkins-
>>>
>>>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 18 10:56:24 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:56:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Sage RT script
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312456@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

It sounds like there's something wrong with your script or with the shortcut it's installing.  Are you using the Wise installer?  We use SageKey and Wise and have for the last  3 (?) versions of Access (we skipped 2000) and don't have problems.  I have Win2k on my personal machine and Office 2000 MOD and I don't have a problem with one of our apps installed on that machine.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: rfv at entelix.com [mailto:rfv at entelix.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:43 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sage RT script


Hi,
 
I hope somebody can help me.
 
I purchased the Sage MS Access XP RT script.
 
Now my cliente has Windows 2000 Pro and MS Access 2000 installed. When he clicks on the shortcut of my app, a error message appears stating that this application is not soported, wanting to open my app with Access 2000. So we have to go to the runtime folder, click MS Access XP .exe., but the problem is that he can not open his other Access 2000 db?s.
 
Is the Sage script not supposed tu avoid all this?
 
 
I hope somebody has the answer.
 
Rudolf F. Vanek
 
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From paulawright at boddienoell.com  Tue Nov 18 11:35:15 2003
From: paulawright at boddienoell.com (Paula Wright)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:35:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Sage RT script
Message-ID: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCA09E22@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>

Sagekey support is pretty good.  I'd contact them.

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Charlotte
Foust 
	Sent: Tue 11/18/2003 11:56 AM 
	To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
	Cc: 
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sage RT script
	
	

	It sounds like there's something wrong with your script or with the
shortcut it's installing.  Are you using the Wise installer?  We use SageKey
and Wise and have for the last  3 (?) versions of Access (we skipped 2000)
and don't have problems.  I have Win2k on my personal machine and Office 2000
MOD and I don't have a problem with one of our apps installed on that
machine.
	
	Charlotte Foust
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: rfv at entelix.com [mailto:rfv at entelix.com]
	Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:43 AM
	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] Sage RT script
	
	
	Hi,
	
	I hope somebody can help me.
	
	I purchased the Sage MS Access XP RT script.
	
	Now my cliente has Windows 2000 Pro and MS Access 2000 installed.
When he clicks on the shortcut of my app, a error message appears stating
that this application is not soported, wanting to open my app with Access
2000. So we have to go to the runtime folder, click MS Access XP .exe., but
the problem is that he can not open his other Access 2000 db??s.
	
	Is the Sage script not supposed tu avoid all this?
	
	
	I hope somebody has the answer.
	
	Rudolf F. Vanek
	
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From doug at murphyscreativity.com  Tue Nov 18 11:33:14 2003
From: doug at murphyscreativity.com (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:33:14 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Sage RT script
In-Reply-To: <200311181643.hAIGhY607970@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c3adfa$242aa670$8500a8c0@CX615377a>

The way that Sagekey gets around the problem of Access trying to open a
database in the last version of Access used when you have when you have
several versions of Access on the same computer is to open the
application through a small executable called runaccess.exe.  This
should be what your desktop shotcut calls, not Access.exe.  If the
runtime is opened through this method the registry setting that
indicates what version of Access was used last is not supposed to be
reset to your runtime version.  If the shortcut goes directly to
Access.exe then that is the problem.

I'd contact tech support at Sagekey and have them work with you to
resolve the problem.  I have found them to be very helpfull.

Doug

Douglas Murphy
Murphy's Creativity
(619) 334-5121
doug at murphyscreativity.com
www.murphyscreativity.com




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rfv at entelix.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:43 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sage RT script


Hi,
 
I hope somebody can help me.
 
I purchased the Sage MS Access XP RT script.
 
Now my cliente has Windows 2000 Pro and MS Access 2000 installed. When
he clicks on the shortcut of my app, a error message appears stating
that this application is not soported, wanting to open my app with
Access 2000. So we have to go to the runtime folder, click MS Access XP
.exe., but the problem is that he can not open his other Access 2000
db?s.
 
Is the Sage script not supposed tu avoid all this?
 
 
I hope somebody has the answer.
 
Rudolf F. Vanek
 
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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Tue Nov 18 11:57:05 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:57:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] acNewRec
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D1898F0@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Liz -
Thanks for the input.  I searched the table, but didn't find corrupt
records.

Thanks,
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Liz Doering [mailto:liz at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] acNewRec

Mark,

Have you checked for a corrupt record in the affected tables?  It will
usually show up with ####### in one field.  Deleting the record clears
up
the mess.

Liz Doering
Symphony Information Services
liz at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
763-391-7400

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Boyd
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:03 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] acNewRec

I have an Access2002 mdb that is being used by 5 users.

The front-end is located on each user's hard drive, while the linked
tables are located in an Access2002 mdb on the network.

There haven't been any problems in the past month, but now users are
receiving the following error when adding a new record to a form: "Could
not update. Currently locked".  The code is "DoCmd.GoToRecord, ,
acNewRec".

 

Any ideas?

 

TIA,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 

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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Tue Nov 18 11:59:00 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:59:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] acNewRec
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D1898F1@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Thanks Juan.  I'll check the user's machines to make sure these settings
are correct.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: MastercafeCTV [mailto:mastercafe at ctv.es] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:17 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] acNewRec

Check the config in Access 2002:

Default Open Mode : SHARED
Default RecordLocking : EDITED RECORD

When we install a new computer always check the main config from access
(report, general, advanced, etc.)

If this run, check in the main form if you used LOCK EDITED RECORD

Good luck

Juan

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Boyd
Sent: martes, 18 de noviembre de 2003 17:03
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] acNewRec


I have an Access2002 mdb that is being used by 5 users.

The front-end is located on each user's hard drive, while the linked
tables
are located in an Access2002 mdb on the network.

There haven't been any problems in the past month, but now users are
receiving the following error when adding a new record to a form: "Could
not
update. Currently locked".  The code is "DoCmd.GoToRecord, , acNewRec".

 

Any ideas?

 

TIA,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 

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From paulawright at boddienoell.com  Tue Nov 18 12:05:44 2003
From: paulawright at boddienoell.com (Paula Wright)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:05:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
Message-ID: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCA09E24@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>

I've tried taking the ocx out of the subform so that it is no longer embedded
and using the Dim/Set statements, setting crR to nothing on closing the main
form and still have the error. 
 
I tried calling it from the main form and still have the error.  
 
There are a few things that are very strange to me.  There are several
reports that I call from this subform.  There is one set where only one of
the reports causes the error.  There is nothing different in the code that
calls the reports.  There are queries that run before opening the subform to
compile the data for the reports.  I have gone through and made sure all the
Set db and Set rs are set to nothing so I don't think it's a data issue.  
 
The other thing is that Access acts like it is going to close - goes through
the compact and appears to be shutting down but then maximizes.  It's not
frozen.  I can reopen the database, I just can't shut the Access window down.
 

	 


From paulawright at boddienoell.com  Tue Nov 18 12:21:59 2003
From: paulawright at boddienoell.com (Paula Wright)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:21:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Problems closing XP - Bizarre Behavior
Message-ID: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCA09E25@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>

Okay, I went into my closing action and changed docmd.quit to
application.quit and got all excited because the application shut down and
then it reopened!!!
 
I tried it again, leaving the Windows Task Manager where I could see what was
happening and it literally closed and reopened.
 
What's that all about????

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Paula Wright 
	Sent: Tue 11/18/2003 1:05 PM 
	To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
	Cc: 
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
	
	

	I've tried taking the ocx out of the subform so that it is no longer
embedded
	and using the Dim/Set statements, setting crR to nothing on closing
the main
	form and still have the error.
	
	I tried calling it from the main form and still have the error. 
	
	There are a few things that are very strange to me.  There are
several
	reports that I call from this subform.  There is one set where only
one of
	the reports causes the error.  There is nothing different in the code
that
	calls the reports.  There are queries that run before opening the
subform to
	compile the data for the reports.  I have gone through and made sure
all the
	Set db and Set rs are set to nothing so I don't think it's a data
issue. 
	
	The other thing is that Access acts like it is going to close - goes
through
	the compact and appears to be shutting down but then maximizes.  It's
not
	frozen.  I can reopen the database, I just can't shut the Access
window down.
	
	
	        
	
	


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 18 12:44:49 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:44:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Sage RT script
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312458@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

You're right.  We had to start using the RunAccess.exe with our XP shortcuts, although I don't recall it being an issue with earlier versions.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Murphy [mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 9:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sage RT script


The way that Sagekey gets around the problem of Access trying to open a database in the last version of Access used when you have when you have several versions of Access on the same computer is to open the application through a small executable called runaccess.exe.  This should be what your desktop shotcut calls, not Access.exe.  If the runtime is opened through this method the registry setting that indicates what version of Access was used last is not supposed to be reset to your runtime version.  If the shortcut goes directly to Access.exe then that is the problem.

I'd contact tech support at Sagekey and have them work with you to resolve the problem.  I have found them to be very helpfull.

Doug

Douglas Murphy
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of rfv at entelix.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:43 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sage RT script


Hi,
 
I hope somebody can help me.
 
I purchased the Sage MS Access XP RT script.
 
Now my cliente has Windows 2000 Pro and MS Access 2000 installed. When he clicks on the shortcut of my app, a error message appears stating that this application is not soported, wanting to open my app with Access 2000. So we have to go to the runtime folder, click MS Access XP .exe., but the problem is that he can not open his other Access 2000 db?s.
 
Is the Sage script not supposed tu avoid all this?
 
 
I hope somebody has the answer.
 
Rudolf F. Vanek
 
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From lists at theopg.com  Tue Nov 18 12:51:54 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:51:54 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Problems closing XP - Bizarre Behavior
In-Reply-To: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCA09E25@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>
Message-ID: <002101c3ae05$17e503a0$530b6bd5@netboxxp>

I use docmd.quit without problem... But there's a whole load of other
weird stuff going on... Tab controls that grow, list views that draw
their contents in strange places and subform objects that keep setting
themselves to different control source (I have 4 on one form and if I
edit any by clicking them from the main form in design view then all
four use the same subform - xp rocks... It even closes down all by iself
someimes... Usually when I click save, you need to really be on your
toes with this one :@)

Good luck...

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paula Wright
Sent: 18 November 2003 18:22
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Problems closing XP - Bizarre Behavior


Okay, I went into my closing action and changed docmd.quit to
application.quit and got all excited because the application shut down
and then it reopened!!!
 
I tried it again, leaving the Windows Task Manager where I could see
what was happening and it literally closed and reopened.
 
What's that all about????

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Paula
Wright 
	Sent: Tue 11/18/2003 1:05 PM 
	To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
	Cc: 
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Problems closing XP
	
	

	I've tried taking the ocx out of the subform so that it is no
longer embedded
	and using the Dim/Set statements, setting crR to nothing on
closing the main
	form and still have the error.
	
	I tried calling it from the main form and still have the error. 
	
	There are a few things that are very strange to me.  There are
several
	reports that I call from this subform.  There is one set where
only one of
	the reports causes the error.  There is nothing different in the
code that
	calls the reports.  There are queries that run before opening
the subform to
	compile the data for the reports.  I have gone through and made
sure all the
	Set db and Set rs are set to nothing so I don't think it's a
data issue. 
	
	The other thing is that Access acts like it is going to close -
goes through
	the compact and appears to be shutting down but then maximizes.
It's not
	frozen.  I can reopen the database, I just can't shut the Access
window down.
	
	
	        
	
	


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From lists at theopg.com  Tue Nov 18 12:56:52 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:56:52 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Cancel the mouse wheel....
In-Reply-To: <019e01c3ad7e$6aeac080$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <002201c3ae05$c8e49940$530b6bd5@netboxxp>

Hi all...

I'm using XP and would like to intercept the mousewheel when it scrolls
records, and if needed cancel the move record. I can catch it and see
the number of lines (count) etc. but what if I want to stop it changing
records ???

Thanks in advance

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Nov 18 13:03:58 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:03:58 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Problems with Access ADP and multiple-step OLE DB
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312453@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3FBA6D1E.5050307@shaw.ca>

Here is a snippet of code to look at Ado expanded errors

'where cnn is  ADODB Connection Object
   cnn.Close
   Set cnn = Nothing
  Exit Function
' ADO Error/Exception Handler
AdoError:
  Dim ErrNumber As Long
  Dim ErrSource As String
  Dim ErrDescription As String

   ErrNumber = Err.Number
   ErrSource = Err.Source
   ErrDescription = Err.Description

   AdoErrorExpanded cnn
   cnn.Close
   Set cnn = Nothing
'where Cnn is  Connection Object

End Function
Sub AdoErrorExpanded(Conn1 As ADODB.Connection)
' ADO Error/Exception Handler Expanded
   Dim Errs1 As ADODB.Errors
   Dim errLoop As ADODB.Error
   Dim i As Long
   Dim strMsgErr As String

   i = 1
   On Error Resume Next

   ' For any error condition, show results in debug
   ' Enumerate Errors collection and display properties
   '                  of each Error object.
   Set Errs1 = Conn1.Errors
   For Each errLoop In Errs1

      With errLoop
         Debug.Print " Error #" & i & ":"
         Debug.Print "   ADO Error   #" & .Number
         Debug.Print "   Description  " & .Description
         Debug.Print "   Source       " & .Source
         Debug.Print "   HelpFile     " & .HelpFile
         Debug.Print "   HelpContext  " & .HelpContext
         Debug.Print "   NativeError  " & .NativeError
         Debug.Print "   SQLState     " & .SQLState

         strMsgErr = " Error #" & i & ":"
         strMsgErr = strMsgErr & vbCrLf & "   ADO Error   #" & .Number
         strMsgErr = strMsgErr & vbCrLf & "   Description  " & .Description
         strMsgErr = strMsgErr & vbCrLf & "   Source       " & .Source
         strMsgErr = strMsgErr & vbCrLf & "   HelpFile     " & .HelpFile
         strMsgErr = strMsgErr & vbCrLf & "   HelpContext  " & .HelpContext
         strMsgErr = strMsgErr & vbCrLf & "   NativeError  " & .NativeError
         strMsgErr = strMsgErr & vbCrLf & "   SQLState     " & .SQLState
         MsgBox strMsgErr

         i = i + 1
      End With

   Next
With Conn1
Debug.Print "ADO Version: " & .Version & vbCrLf & _
"DBMS Name: " & .Properties("DBMS Name") & vbCrLf & _
"DBMS Version: " & .Properties("DBMS Version") & vbCrLf & _
"OLE DB Version: " & .Properties("OLE DB Version") & vbCrLf & _
"Provider Name: " & .Properties("Provider Name") & vbCrLf & _
"Provider Version: " & .Properties("Provider Version") & vbCrLf

Debug.Print "ADO Version: " & .Version & vbCrLf & _
 "DBMS Name: " & .Properties("DBMS Name") & vbCrLf & _
 "DBMS Version: " & .Properties("DBMS Version") & vbCrLf & _
 "OLE DB Version: " & .Properties("OLE DB Version") & vbCrLf & _
 "Provider Name: " & .Properties("Provider Name") & vbCrLf & _
 "Provider Version: " & .Properties("Provider Version") & vbCrLf & _
 "Driver Name: " & .Properties("Driver Name") & vbCrLf & _
 "Driver Version: " & .Properties("Driver Version") & vbCrLf & _
 "Driver ODBC Version: " & .Properties("Driver ODBC Version")
End With
End Sub






Charlotte Foust wrote:

>You need to error trap the ADO errors specifically and loop through the
>connection's errors collection to see what's going on.  A lot of ADO
>errors are "silent" in Access.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Liam Meadows [mailto:liam at energyexhausts.co.uk] 
>Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 7:07 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Problems with Access ADP and multiple-step OLE DB
>
>
>I am trying to create a form Based on an SQL table but when I try and
>exit from the form sometimes I get an error saying "'Multiple-step OLE
>DB operation generated errors. Check each OLE DB status value, if
>available. No work was done.". I have tried MSKB and changed the Persist
>Security Info to False in connection manager (File -> Connections ->
>All) and checked the registry setting as described in the MS KB but it
>still happens. Has anyone any idea how to resolve this ?
>
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From rfv at entelix.com  Tue Nov 18 13:19:09 2003
From: rfv at entelix.com (rfv at entelix.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:19:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Sage RT script
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312458@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <200311181919.hAIJJP618240@databaseadvisors.com>

Solved!
Thanks to everybody.

Rudolf Vanek 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Martes, 18 de Noviembre de 2003 12:45 p.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sage RT script

You're right.  We had to start using the RunAccess.exe with our XP
shortcuts, although I don't recall it being an issue with earlier versions.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Murphy [mailto:doug at murphyscreativity.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 9:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sage RT script


The way that Sagekey gets around the problem of Access trying to open a
database in the last version of Access used when you have when you have
several versions of Access on the same computer is to open the application
through a small executable called runaccess.exe.  This should be what your
desktop shotcut calls, not Access.exe.  If the runtime is opened through
this method the registry setting that indicates what version of Access was
used last is not supposed to be reset to your runtime version.  If the
shortcut goes directly to Access.exe then that is the problem.

I'd contact tech support at Sagekey and have them work with you to resolve
the problem.  I have found them to be very helpfull.

Doug

Douglas Murphy
Murphy's Creativity
(619) 334-5121
doug at murphyscreativity.com
www.murphyscreativity.com




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of rfv at entelix.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:43 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sage RT script


Hi,
 
I hope somebody can help me.
 
I purchased the Sage MS Access XP RT script.
 
Now my cliente has Windows 2000 Pro and MS Access 2000 installed. When he
clicks on the shortcut of my app, a error message appears stating that this
application is not soported, wanting to open my app with Access 2000. So we
have to go to the runtime folder, click MS Access XP .exe., but the problem
is that he can not open his other Access 2000 db?s.
 
Is the Sage script not supposed tu avoid all this?
 
 
I hope somebody has the answer.
 
Rudolf F. Vanek
 
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Nov 18 13:58:54 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:58:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Cancel the mouse wheel....
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD794B@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Go here...

http://www.lebans.com/mousewheelonoff.htm

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	MarkH [SMTP:lists at theopg.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, November 18, 2003 1:57 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	[AccessD] Cancel the mouse wheel....
> 
> Hi all...
> 
> I'm using XP and would like to intercept the mousewheel when it scrolls
> records, and if needed cancel the move record. I can catch it and see
> the number of lines (count) etc. but what if I want to stop it changing
> records ???
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> mark
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Tue Nov 18 14:09:40 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:09:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Combo Subform Entries
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C9C7@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

I have a combobox on a main form that is used to select certain records on
the subform. For example, if you select Car from the combo, the subform
shows all the records for Car.
 
I need to be able to add an entry to the combobox on the main form & have it
available for use to add new records. So if I add Jeep to the NotInList
event of the combobox, Jeep would be in the list, the Combo would show Jeep,
& the subform should be blank & ready to add new entries for Jeep.
 
I tried Requery, I tried a seperate form for adding new entries to the list,
and OnClose of the form, requery the form, but nothing works. The entry is
in the list, but the subform stays on the previous selections entry. Or
should the requery go on the After Update of the Combo?
 
Virginia
 
On NotInList
 
    ' Return Control object that points to combo box.
    Set ctl = Me!cboLocation
    ' Prompt user to verify they wish to add new value.
    If MsgBox("Would you like to add '" & NewData & "' to the list?",
vbYesNo, "Add New Name") = vbYes Then
        ' Set Response argument to indicate that data is being added.
        Response = acDataErrAdded
        ' Add string in NewData argument to table.
        NewData = DoConv(NewData)
        strSQL = " INSERT INTO tbl_Location ( Location ) SELECT '" &
DoConv(NewData) & "'"
        DoCmd.SetWarnings False
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
        ctl.Value = NewData
        DoCmd.SetWarnings True
   
    Else
        ' If user chooses Cancel, suppress error message and undo changes.
        Response = acDataErrContinue
        ctl.Undo
    End If


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Nov 18 14:11:55 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:11:55 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Training Location Tables
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227599@main2.marlow.com>

If each class is only ever in one location, then just put the location ID as
a foriegn key in the tblClasses table.  However, if you may have multiple
locations for a class, then create a tblClassLocations table, which has an
Autonumber (ClassLocationID), the ClassID and the LocationID fields.  Then,
if you are just referring to a class, regardless of location (like if you
are putting in notes about the class...) then just use the ClassID field.
But if you are referring to a class in a particular location, (like a class
schedule), then use the ClassLocationID.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:26 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Training Location Tables


I am setting up a new database for training results. The records are entered
by location, each location has a class & an instructor. Then they track each
students comments about the class & instructor.
 
I am confused on how to set up the table to link the location with the
class. I created a tblLocation, tblInstructor, tblClasses. Would I need a
tblClassDetails that would contain the DetailID PK, ClassID, InstructorID, &
LocationID?
 
Or would I need just a DetailID & LocationID (tblDetailLocation). If so, how
do I connect that to the form to make the entries to the tblDetailLocation?
 
Or do I just add each field, tblLocation, tblInstructor, tblClasses to the
Main table that tracks the students comments?
 
Virginia
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Nov 18 14:12:33 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:12:33 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222759A@main2.marlow.com>

Tab control?

-----Original Message-----
From: Ervin Brindza [mailto:viner at eunet.yu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 7:17 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form


<Crossposted>
Hi,
I need an advice(Access97): on the main form I have 2 subforms, and 3
other(separated by meaning) subforms. The problem is that the users have
only 17" screen and I have to shrink the subforms too much. Can you provide
any reasonable solution? Like hiding one "thread" of subforms or open one
"thread of subforms" on some pop up window or something else?
Many TIA,
    Ervin
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Nov 18 14:14:02 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:14:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Map Netwrok Drive
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222759B@main2.marlow.com>

just shell out using the 'net use' function.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 9:48 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Map Netwrok Drive


Hello All,

Anyone know how(or if you can) to map a network drive using API calls?

Thanks,

Mark

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Nov 18 14:34:59 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:34:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Cancel the mouse wheel....
References: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD794B@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <3FBA8273.5020509@shaw.ca>

If that is not bad enough there is a new mouse out with a tiltable wheel 
not just rotating to allow
right to left scrolling.

Heenan, Lambert wrote:

>Go here...
>
>http://www.lebans.com/mousewheelonoff.htm
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
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>>Sent:	Tuesday, November 18, 2003 1:57 PM
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>>Subject:	[AccessD] Cancel the mouse wheel....
>>
>>Hi all...
>>
>>I'm using XP and would like to intercept the mousewheel when it scrolls
>>records, and if needed cancel the move record. I can catch it and see
>>the number of lines (count) etc. but what if I want to stop it changing
>>records ???
>>
>>Thanks in advance
>>
>>mark
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 18 14:55:43 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:55:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Many To Many
Message-ID: <004101c3ae16$55c6a0a0$210110ac@SUSANONE>

We hope to have a new issue out within the next week -- finally!

If anyone has a classified, please send the text to me privately at
ssharkins at bellsouth.net

Thanks!
Susan H.


From john at winhaven.net  Tue Nov 18 15:12:14 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:12:14 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Use Wildcards Correctly and Safely
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEKAFFAA.john@winhaven.net>

Access/VB/SQL Advisor Article
December 2003
Author Susan Sales Harkins

Nice Article Susan!

JB


From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 18 15:14:51 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:14:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Use Wildcards Correctly and Safely
References: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEKAFFAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <000801c3ae19$07d21610$210110ac@SUSANONE>

Thank you -- I appreciate that!

Susan H. 


> Access/VB/SQL Advisor Article
> December 2003
> Author Susan Sales Harkins
> 
> Nice Article Susan!
> 
> JB



From lists at theopg.com  Tue Nov 18 15:34:41 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:34:41 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Cancel the mouse wheel....
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD794B@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3ae1b$d6113db0$530b6bd5@netboxxp>

Thanks Lambert

mark

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Lambert
Sent: 18 November 2003 19:59
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cancel the mouse wheel....


Go here...

http://www.lebans.com/mousewheelonoff.htm

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent:	Tuesday, November 18, 2003 1:57 PM
> To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject:	[AccessD] Cancel the mouse wheel....
> 
> Hi all...
> 
> I'm using XP and would like to intercept the mousewheel when it 
> scrolls records, and if needed cancel the move record. I can catch it 
> and see the number of lines (count) etc. but what if I want to stop it

> changing records ???
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> mark
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From lists at theopg.com  Tue Nov 18 15:35:09 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (MarkH)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:35:09 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Cancel the mouse wheel....
In-Reply-To: <3FBA8273.5020509@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000101c3ae1b$d7689050$530b6bd5@netboxxp>

Great :@(

mark

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Sent: 18 November 2003 20:35
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cancel the mouse wheel....


If that is not bad enough there is a new mouse out with a tiltable wheel

not just rotating to allow
right to left scrolling.

Heenan, Lambert wrote:

>Go here...
>
>http://www.lebans.com/mousewheelonoff.htm
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:	MarkH [SMTP:lists at theopg.com]
>>Sent:	Tuesday, November 18, 2003 1:57 PM
>>To:	'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>Subject:	[AccessD] Cancel the mouse wheel....
>>
>>Hi all...
>>
>>I'm using XP and would like to intercept the mousewheel when it 
>>scrolls records, and if needed cancel the move record. I can catch it 
>>and see the number of lines (count) etc. but what if I want to stop it

>>changing records ???
>>
>>Thanks in advance
>>
>>mark
>>
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Tue Nov 18 15:33:10 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:33:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Dynamic Sorting Report
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0106B784@natexch.jenkens.com>

I have a report I originally wrote in Access 97 that I have upgraded to XP.

This report sorts dynamically based on the values in a form.  This works as
advertised in 97, but has one quirk in XP.  If I try to sort by
ActionDueDate first then there is no discernable order to the report.  Any
other sort works fine for the first sort.  This is the only date in the sort
by fields.  If both the first and second sort are the ActionDueDate, then it
behaves as expected.

Some additional info:  If the first sort is Attorney, then the report is
grouped and each attorney is on a new page.  If it is different then the
breaks are turned off, but presumably in some ways it is still a group
though there is no visual indication of this in the report.  Out of
curiosity I left the breaks on and there are places where new pages are
started. The breaks are in the order of the month and first digit of the
day.  This makes me wonder if this date is being treated as a string for
some reason.  The sorting breaks down after that first digit of the day
though.

Debbie
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Tue Nov 18 18:57:20 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:57:20 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Combo Subform Entries
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C9C7@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>
Message-ID: <008701c3ae38$164ecb10$41619a89@DDICK>

Hi Virginia
Demo sent off line
If anyone wants a me too then make 'em to d.dick at uws.edu.au
Any me too's direct to this list will be ignored, snubbed and otherwise shown contempt :-)

See ya

Darren

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From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:09 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Combo Subform Entries


> I have a combobox on a main form that is used to select certain records on
> the subform. For example, if you select Car from the combo, the subform
> shows all the records for Car.
>  
> I need to be able to add an entry to the combobox on the main form & have it
> available for use to add new records. So if I add Jeep to the NotInList
> event of the combobox, Jeep would be in the list, the Combo would show Jeep,
> & the subform should be blank & ready to add new entries for Jeep.
>  
> I tried Requery, I tried a seperate form for adding new entries to the list,
> and OnClose of the form, requery the form, but nothing works. The entry is
> in the list, but the subform stays on the previous selections entry. Or
> should the requery go on the After Update of the Combo?
>  
> Virginia
>  
> On NotInList
>  
>     ' Return Control object that points to combo box.
>     Set ctl = Me!cboLocation
>     ' Prompt user to verify they wish to add new value.
>     If MsgBox("Would you like to add '" & NewData & "' to the list?",
> vbYesNo, "Add New Name") = vbYes Then
>         ' Set Response argument to indicate that data is being added.
>         Response = acDataErrAdded
>         ' Add string in NewData argument to table.
>         NewData = DoConv(NewData)
>         strSQL = " INSERT INTO tbl_Location ( Location ) SELECT '" &
> DoConv(NewData) & "'"
>         DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>         DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
>         ctl.Value = NewData
>         DoCmd.SetWarnings True
>    
>     Else
>         ' If user chooses Cancel, suppress error message and undo changes.
>         Response = acDataErrContinue
>         ctl.Undo
>     End If
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 18 22:52:24 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:52:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server strangeness
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEOEFLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Awhile back I moved my client billing to SQL Server, just a simple upload of
the mdb data, and then relinked to the ODBC.  Nothing fancy.

It all just worked.

Now (since recovering EVERYTHING due to a hard disk crash), the LIKE keyword
is causing failures in the odbc call.  I use things like "LIKE
forms!someform!somecontrol" etc.  Now this fails (silently), just no data
returned.  Replace the LIKE with IN() and it works again.

The TRULY strange part is that I use a LIKE ccfrmWhich() EVERYWHERE in order
to only display active records in my forms.  That fails in a combo, but
succeeds in the form that hosts that combo.

I do so love Access / SQL Server.



John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 18 22:52:24 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:52:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server strangeness
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEOEFLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Awhile back I moved my client billing to SQL Server, just a simple upload of
the mdb data, and then relinked to the ODBC.  Nothing fancy.

It all just worked.

Now (since recovering EVERYTHING due to a hard disk crash), the LIKE keyword
is causing failures in the odbc call.  I use things like "LIKE
forms!someform!somecontrol" etc.  Now this fails (silently), just no data
returned.  Replace the LIKE with IN() and it works again.

The TRULY strange part is that I use a LIKE ccfrmWhich() EVERYWHERE in order
to only display active records in my forms.  That fails in a combo, but
succeeds in the form that hosts that combo.

I do so love Access / SQL Server.



John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From viner at eunet.yu  Wed Nov 19 01:48:59 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:48:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form
References: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCA09E20@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>
Message-ID: <014401c3ae72$7c171c60$0100a8c0@razvoj>

> I've used a main form to call several different subforms and I've also
> included tabs in the subform.
>
> Place a generic subform on the main form and change the subform being
used;
>
>    Me.genericsubformname.SourceObject = "Form Name"
>
Many thanks for the suggestions! I 'll try with gliding subforms...
Ervin




From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 19 05:50:52 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:50:52 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
In-Reply-To: <8615823653.20031103132209@cactus.dk>
References: <8615823653.20031103132209@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <18814505828.20031119125052@cactus.dk>

Hi All

Located this short article by Bill Ramos (Lead Program Manager,
Microsoft Office Access 2003) on InfoPath which addresses people like
us:  

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13108

and about the toolkit:

  http://msadvisor.com/doc/13297

/gustav


> Hi all

> Anyone familiar with these new products and if they somehow relate to
> Access?

> I've tried to browse some brochures but they are so hyped that it is
> just plain impossible to figure out wether these apps are fancy toys
> which will bring any machine to a crawl or if they could be useful
> tools in cooperation with Access and database applications.

> And how are the programmed if you wish to create custom build apps?
> I've located this link to a SDK related to InfoPath:

> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616-93aa-4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en

> but it looks like you need to take a deep breath and have a weekend
> set aside.

> Also, how much are they relying on specific MS server software like
> SharePoint or Exchange or pure MS environments or Office 2003 only? If
> so, the usefulness is very limited as our clients use a variety of
> systems. 

> /gustav


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 19 05:56:17 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:56:17 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
Message-ID: <19014831166.20031119125617@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
among the numerous authors:

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
This book chapter explains what it can do for you.  

/gustav


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 19 06:46:58 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:46:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
In-Reply-To: <19014831166.20031119125617@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEOPFLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL.

Thanks for the plug Gustav.  That would be my chapter, the only one in the
book that was brand new.  Had to do a little pushing to get it in there,
they thought it too "advanced" for a beginning basic book.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi all

Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
among the numerous authors:

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
This book chapter explains what it can do for you.

/gustav

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Nov 19 07:02:45 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:02:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K / AXP: Indirect Replication
Message-ID: <20031119070245.1140044549.serbach@new.rr.com>

Dear Group,

Has anyone here actually implemented Indirect Replication where the "drop box" for each computer is an FTP site? I'm a bit stymied by the configuration options in the Office XP Developer's Replication Manager. (My w/s is Windows 2000 Pro) That is:

1) I click on the "Support indirect synchronization" check box and click Next twice.
2) I click on the "Network..." button since I'm testing the situation where the computer is disconnected from a network.
3) In the "Browse Network Folders" dialog box I only "see" the drives and servers on my LAN, so I click on the Network button to "connect to a shared network folder."
4) I then see the "Map Network Drive" wizard dialog. I pick a drive letter, say, K:. Then I click on "Browse..." button to specify the folder to connect to.
5) I then see the "Browse for Folder" dialog, which shows me my Network Places. I see the folder I created that points to my FTP site. But when I click on the folder the OK button in the dialog box remains unavailable because the FTP folder, apparently, isn't a shared network folder. If I click on a folder on my file server then the OK button is available.
6) So back to the wizard in step 4). There's a link to "Create a shortcut to a Web folder or FTP site." I click on that.
7) I'm now at the "Add Network Place Wizard." I type in the ftp:// path to the FTP site and click Next.
8) I'm asked whether I want to log in anonymously. I un-check the box and then enter the User name that I set up for the FTP site. The prompt under the User name says that I'll be prompted for a password when I connect to the FTP server. I click Next.
9) I then enter a name for the Network Place and click Finish.
10) Then I see the password prompt for the User name I entered.
11) Then a window appears with the ftp:// address in the title bar and the list of files on the FTP site. Looks good so far.
12) But now I'm back to step 3). I click on the Network button again.
13) Now I'm back at step 4). I click on "Browse..." and once again see all My Network Places. Sure enough, there's the new FTP folder I created. But when I select it, the OK button remains unavailable because, I guess, it isn't shared.

Sorry for the long explanation. It helps me to do it step-by-step like that. What am I missing? I can't even begin a test of Indirect Replication unless the Replication Manager can see the FTP folder, can I?

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Nov 19 07:02:54 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:02:54 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEOPFLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001201c3ae9d$725a39c0$9111758f@aine>

Mine where brand new as well. Not as good but new LOL

Martin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:46 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


> LOL.
>
> Thanks for the plug Gustav.  That would be my chapter, the only one in the
> book that was brand new.  Had to do a little pushing to get it in there,
> they thought it too "advanced" for a beginning basic book.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:56 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
>
> Hi all
>
> Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
> among the numerous authors:
>
>   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276
>
> Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
> One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
> handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
> This book chapter explains what it can do for you.
>
> /gustav
>
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>
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Wed Nov 19 07:14:40 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:14:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Combo Subform Entries
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0CB0C9CF@cntexchange.pgdp.usec.com>

Anyway, I guess I am still doing something wrong because when I add a new
entry it still does not show the new entry as the selection.

When I add a new entry it refreshes back to the first entry in the list. I
set the LocationID to visible on each form so I can see what was happening.
The subform locationID is set to the new entry after I reselect the new
entry, but the main form with the combobox does not.

ComboBox (main form) shows Austin = LocationID 23
Subform LocationID = 23

Add new entry: LocationID should be 24
Main Form shows LocationID = 23
Subform LocationID = 24

Another think I noticed - sometimes when I open the form, the LocationID
shows on the Main form, but not the subform. I close the form & reopen & the
LocationID shows in the subform.

What have I done here??

Virginia


-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Combo Subform Entries


Hi Virginia
Demo sent off line
If anyone wants a me too then make 'em to d.dick at uws.edu.au
Any me too's direct to this list will be ignored, snubbed and otherwise
shown contempt :-)

See ya

Darren

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hollis,Virginia" <HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:09 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Combo Subform Entries


> I have a combobox on a main form that is used to select certain records on
> the subform. For example, if you select Car from the combo, the subform
> shows all the records for Car.
>  
> I need to be able to add an entry to the combobox on the main form & have
it
> available for use to add new records. So if I add Jeep to the NotInList
> event of the combobox, Jeep would be in the list, the Combo would show
Jeep,
> & the subform should be blank & ready to add new entries for Jeep.
>  
> I tried Requery, I tried a seperate form for adding new entries to the
list,
> and OnClose of the form, requery the form, but nothing works. The entry is
> in the list, but the subform stays on the previous selections entry. Or
> should the requery go on the After Update of the Combo?
>  
> Virginia
>  
> On NotInList
>  
>     ' Return Control object that points to combo box.
>     Set ctl = Me!cboLocation
>     ' Prompt user to verify they wish to add new value.
>     If MsgBox("Would you like to add '" & NewData & "' to the list?",
> vbYesNo, "Add New Name") = vbYes Then
>         ' Set Response argument to indicate that data is being added.
>         Response = acDataErrAdded
>         ' Add string in NewData argument to table.
>         NewData = DoConv(NewData)
>         strSQL = " INSERT INTO tbl_Location ( Location ) SELECT '" &
> DoConv(NewData) & "'"
>         DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>         DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
>         ctl.Value = NewData
>         DoCmd.SetWarnings True
>    
>     Else
>         ' If user chooses Cancel, suppress error message and undo changes.
>         Response = acDataErrContinue
>         ctl.Undo
>     End If
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 19 07:14:51 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:14:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEOPFLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEOPFLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <10219544613.20031119141451@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Yes, one can feel the "JC breath"*) when reading.

I'm glad you succeeded in getting this chapter in. It is advanced but
without it Access would miss an arm. And MS keeps it as a secret -
without the postings and examples from Shamil and you, I wonder if I
would ever have noticed this topic.

/gustav

*) Uppercase comments.

PS: Notice the printer friendly version:

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/Articles.nsf/dp/A6CBCC9F0ED68B2E88256DD4007C2FDD


> LOL.

> Thanks for the plug Gustav.  That would be my chapter, the only one in the
> book that was brand new.  Had to do a little pushing to get it in there,
> they thought it too "advanced" for a beginning basic book.

> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:56 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


> Hi all

> Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
> among the numerous authors:

>   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

> Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

> One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
> handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
> This book chapter explains what it can do for you.

> /gustav


From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Wed Nov 19 07:31:20 2003
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:31:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Question
Message-ID: <sfbb2ab5.063@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>

I don't think I saw a reply to this question, so I'll pass this on. I
don't know exactly what you are trying to accomplish, but I used the
following code to test column A for Odd or Even. If it is blank it
returns "BLANK", but you could always have it do nothing ("").
 
 
=IF(ISBLANK(A3),"BLANK",IF(MOD(A3,2)=0,"EVEN","ODD"))

John W Clark

>>> pcs at azizaz.com 11/18/03 12:23AM >>>
Hi,
anyone with a quick answer to this one:

Excel appears to treat blank cell as zero

I've created a function that tests the value in a cell (say A1) using
Select
Case and delivers a value in another cell (say B1) depending on value
in
cell.

The function tests on values 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and responds with a
message
if any other value is entered.

So far so good!

Now, the annoying part is that a blank value - null - is treated as
ZERO by
the function.


How do I turn this off - so that a the value of a blank cell is treated
as
null ???

Regards


Borge,


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 19 07:38:53 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:38:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
In-Reply-To: <001201c3ae9d$725a39c0$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEPBFLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Sorry Martin, I didn't realize.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Mine where brand new as well. Not as good but new LOL

Martin



----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:46 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


> LOL.
>
> Thanks for the plug Gustav.  That would be my chapter, the only one in the
> book that was brand new.  Had to do a little pushing to get it in there,
> they thought it too "advanced" for a beginning basic book.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:56 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
>
> Hi all
>
> Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
> among the numerous authors:
>
>   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276
>
> Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
> One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
> handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
> This book chapter explains what it can do for you.
>
> /gustav
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Nov 19 06:40:25 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:40:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
Message-ID: <20031119134021.89D14256FCE@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

John, you must have pushed too hard. Wrox have left you off the author's
list :-(

http://www.wrox.com/books/0764544020.shtml

Sue 'em, I say.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
Date: 19/11/03 17:50


LOL.

Thanks for the plug Gustav. That would be my chapter, the only one in the
book that was brand new. Had to do a little pushing to get it in there,
they thought it too "advanced" for a beginning basic book.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi all

Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
among the numerous authors:

http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
This book chapter explains what it can do for you.

/gustav



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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Nov 19 07:43:30 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:43:30 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEPBFLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c3aea3$1e6a2180$9111758f@aine>

only kidding John.

As I said to you before, the stuff you put in is much better that anything
in the previous versions.

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:38 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


> Sorry Martin, I didn't realize.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:03 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
>
> Mine where brand new as well. Not as good but new LOL
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:46 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
>
> > LOL.
> >
> > Thanks for the plug Gustav.  That would be my chapter, the only one in
the
> > book that was brand new.  Had to do a little pushing to get it in there,
> > they thought it too "advanced" for a beginning basic book.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:56 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> >
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
> > among the numerous authors:
> >
> >   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276
> >
> > Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> >
> > One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
> > handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
> > This book chapter explains what it can do for you.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Wed Nov 19 07:41:05 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:41:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Dynamic Sorting Report
Message-ID: <7B1961ED924D1A459E378C9B1BB22B4C0106B788@natexch.jenkens.com>

Many hours since I sent the original, so I am re-sending.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie 
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 3:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Dynamic Sorting Report


I have a report I originally wrote in Access 97 that I have upgraded to XP.

This report sorts dynamically based on the values in a form.  This works as
advertised in 97, but has one quirk in XP.  If I try to sort by
ActionDueDate first then there is no discernable order to the report.  Any
other sort works fine for the first sort.  This is the only date in the sort
by fields.  If both the first and second sort are the ActionDueDate, then it
behaves as expected.

Some additional info:  If the first sort is Attorney, then the report is
grouped and each attorney is on a new page.  If it is different then the
breaks are turned off, but presumably in some ways it is still a group
though there is no visual indication of this in the report.  Out of
curiosity I left the breaks on and there are places where new pages are
started. The breaks are in the order of the month and first digit of the
day.  This makes me wonder if this date is being treated as a string for
some reason.  The sorting breaks down after that first digit of the day
though.

Debbie
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 19 08:58:54 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:58:54 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form
Message-ID: <BAY1-F89oNtdbAfY8Z200018fa3@hotmail.com>

Ervin,

Could you use tabs...1 subform per tab?

Hope it helps...

Mark


>From: "Ervin Brindza" <viner at eunet.yu>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form
>Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:16:57 +0100
>
><Crossposted>
>Hi,
>I need an advice(Access97): on the main form I have 2 subforms, and 3 
>other(separated by meaning) subforms. The problem is that the users have 
>only 17" screen and I have to shrink the subforms too much. Can you provide 
>any reasonable solution? Like hiding one "thread" of subforms or open one 
>"thread of subforms" on some pop up window or something else?
>Many TIA,
>     Ervin
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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Wed Nov 19 10:10:05 2003
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:10:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF80222759A@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <003801c3aeb7$990bee50$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>

If the data is heirarchical in nature, subdatasheets are also a possibility.
Like a treeview control, they allow users to drill down to the level of
detail they require.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 2:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form


Tab control?

-----Original Message-----
From: Ervin Brindza [mailto:viner at eunet.yu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 7:17 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form


<Crossposted>
Hi,
I need an advice(Access97): on the main form I have 2 subforms, and 3
other(separated by meaning) subforms. The problem is that the users have
only 17" screen and I have to shrink the subforms too much. Can you provide
any reasonable solution? Like hiding one "thread" of subforms or open one
"thread of subforms" on some pop up window or something else?
Many TIA,
    Ervin
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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Wed Nov 19 10:31:05 2003
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:31:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
Message-ID: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E2395EF@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Just wondering...is this article the entire chapter or is there more in the
book on this topic?

Thanks!
JR

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent

only kidding John.

As I said to you before, the stuff you put in is much better that anything
in the previous versions.

Martin


----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:38 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


> Sorry Martin, I didn't realize.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:03 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
>
> Mine where brand new as well. Not as good but new LOL
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:46 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
>
> > LOL.
> >
> > Thanks for the plug Gustav.  That would be my chapter, the only one in
the
> > book that was brand new.  Had to do a little pushing to get it in there,
> > they thought it too "advanced" for a beginning basic book.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:56 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> >
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
> > among the numerous authors:
> >
> >   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276
> >
> > Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> >
> > One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
> > handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
> > This book chapter explains what it can do for you.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
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> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 19 10:45:06 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:45:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631245C@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Am I the only one who thinks Access is history?  Heaven knows what they
intend to use to *analyze* that data they collect with InfoPath.  I
certainly won't volunteer to do it because I had too much experience
trying to do something similar with data collected (similarly except for
the XML) in FileMaker!  Yuck!!  Relational design is apparently too hard
for people to learn so we're going to use XML instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote


Hi All

Located this short article by Bill Ramos (Lead Program Manager,
Microsoft Office Access 2003) on InfoPath which addresses people like
us:  

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13108

and about the toolkit:

  http://msadvisor.com/doc/13297

/gustav


> Hi all

> Anyone familiar with these new products and if they somehow relate to 
> Access?

> I've tried to browse some brochures but they are so hyped that it is 
> just plain impossible to figure out wether these apps are fancy toys 
> which will bring any machine to a crawl or if they could be useful 
> tools in cooperation with Access and database applications.

> And how are the programmed if you wish to create custom build apps? 
> I've located this link to a SDK related to InfoPath:

> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616-93aa
> -4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en

> but it looks like you need to take a deep breath and have a weekend 
> set aside.

> Also, how much are they relying on specific MS server software like 
> SharePoint or Exchange or pure MS environments or Office 2003 only? If

> so, the usefulness is very limited as our clients use a variety of 
> systems.

> /gustav

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Nov 19 11:03:06 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:03:06 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631245C@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <002b01c3aebf$006a5120$9111758f@aine>

Yeah XML but inside a relational database.

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote


> Am I the only one who thinks Access is history?  Heaven knows what they
> intend to use to *analyze* that data they collect with InfoPath.  I
> certainly won't volunteer to do it because I had too much experience
> trying to do something similar with data collected (similarly except for
> the XML) in FileMaker!  Yuck!!  Relational design is apparently too hard
> for people to learn so we're going to use XML instead.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
>
>
> Hi All
>
> Located this short article by Bill Ramos (Lead Program Manager,
> Microsoft Office Access 2003) on InfoPath which addresses people like
> us:
>
>   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13108
>
> and about the toolkit:
>
>   http://msadvisor.com/doc/13297
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Hi all
>
> > Anyone familiar with these new products and if they somehow relate to
> > Access?
>
> > I've tried to browse some brochures but they are so hyped that it is
> > just plain impossible to figure out wether these apps are fancy toys
> > which will bring any machine to a crawl or if they could be useful
> > tools in cooperation with Access and database applications.
>
> > And how are the programmed if you wish to create custom build apps?
> > I've located this link to a SDK related to InfoPath:
>
> > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616-93aa
> > -4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en
>
> > but it looks like you need to take a deep breath and have a weekend
> > set aside.
>
> > Also, how much are they relying on specific MS server software like
> > SharePoint or Exchange or pure MS environments or Office 2003 only? If
>
> > so, the usefulness is very limited as our clients use a variety of
> > systems.
>
> > /gustav
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 19 11:12:06 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:12:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631245C@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631245C@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <033779752.20031119181206@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Though without having touched it yet, I see xforms and InfoPath as
tools for more or less platform independent data entry and lookup.

The important thing is that you should be able to build in data
validation it a high level without having to do the usual roundtrips
to a server or rely on specail applets, ActiveX modules etc.

But I have the same wonderings as you: where do these generated xml
files go? Somewhere they have to be munched and entered into some kind
of central storage (SQL engine). For any application with high traffic
this calls for a sort of message queue and then all the "quick and
easy" is gone.

/gustav


> Am I the only one who thinks Access is history?  Heaven knows what they
> intend to use to *analyze* that data they collect with InfoPath.  I
> certainly won't volunteer to do it because I had too much experience
> trying to do something similar with data collected (similarly except for
> the XML) in FileMaker!  Yuck!!  Relational design is apparently too hard
> for people to learn so we're going to use XML instead.

> Charlotte Foust

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote


> Hi All

> Located this short article by Bill Ramos (Lead Program Manager,
> Microsoft Office Access 2003) on InfoPath which addresses people like
> us:  

>   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13108

> and about the toolkit:

>   http://msadvisor.com/doc/13297

> /gustav


>> Hi all

>> Anyone familiar with these new products and if they somehow relate to 
>> Access?

>> I've tried to browse some brochures but they are so hyped that it is 
>> just plain impossible to figure out wether these apps are fancy toys 
>> which will bring any machine to a crawl or if they could be useful 
>> tools in cooperation with Access and database applications.

>> And how are the programmed if you wish to create custom build apps? 
>> I've located this link to a SDK related to InfoPath:

>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616-93aa
>> -4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en

>> but it looks like you need to take a deep breath and have a weekend 
>> set aside.

>> Also, how much are they relying on specific MS server software like 
>> SharePoint or Exchange or pure MS environments or Office 2003 only? If

>> so, the usefulness is very limited as our clients use a variety of 
>> systems.

>> /gustav


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 19 11:30:22 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:30:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3F8@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I have nothing at all against XML (except the lack of security) and
think it's a great tool, but there is nothing inherently relational
about XML.  So are they introducing an entirely new object-based data
model, or what?  "Design a form and don't worry about the data
structure" ... Until later?  I think of the nightmare designs I've seen
in Excel and wonder just how far they intend to take this.  Just because
ADO and XML can give you very flexible access to data doesn't mean the
data can be shaped any ol' which way and still make sense!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote


Yeah XML but inside a relational database.

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote


> Am I the only one who thinks Access is history?  Heaven knows what 
> they intend to use to *analyze* that data they collect with InfoPath.

> I certainly won't volunteer to do it because I had too much experience

> trying to do something similar with data collected (similarly except 
> for the XML) in FileMaker!  Yuck!!  Relational design is apparently 
> too hard for people to learn so we're going to use XML instead.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
>
>
> Hi All
>
> Located this short article by Bill Ramos (Lead Program Manager, 
> Microsoft Office Access 2003) on InfoPath which addresses people like
> us:
>
>   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13108
>
> and about the toolkit:
>
>   http://msadvisor.com/doc/13297
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Hi all
>
> > Anyone familiar with these new products and if they somehow relate 
> > to Access?
>
> > I've tried to browse some brochures but they are so hyped that it is

> > just plain impossible to figure out wether these apps are fancy toys

> > which will bring any machine to a crawl or if they could be useful 
> > tools in cooperation with Access and database applications.
>
> > And how are the programmed if you wish to create custom build apps? 
> > I've located this link to a SDK related to InfoPath:
>
> > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616-93
> > aa
> > -4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en
>
> > but it looks like you need to take a deep breath and have a weekend 
> > set aside.
>
> > Also, how much are they relying on specific MS server software like 
> > SharePoint or Exchange or pure MS environments or Office 2003 only? 
> > If
>
> > so, the usefulness is very limited as our clients use a variety of 
> > systems.
>
> > /gustav
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Wed Nov 19 11:31:32 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:31:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ODBC Driver Automation
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7835@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Does anyone know of a way to automate the process of setting up an ODBC
driver to a SQL Server?

This would be extremely helpful.

 

Thanks,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Nov 19 11:38:06 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:38:06 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3F8@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000b01c3aec3$e3e160c0$9111758f@aine>

True

Here a code from someone at Microsoft when I asked about this stuff

"We have bet the farm on XML"

To be honest I hardly touched Infopath and OneNote during the entire beta
process. I have noticed that all big RDBMS are now including some form of
XML functionality (Oracle and DB2) and the new version of SQL Server has a
lot of features.

Lot of arguments on database debunkings re this sort of stuff and the move
away from simple relational data tp XML. Video etc all stored within the
database.

Just out of interest I am goign to copy this thread to Bill Ramos see if he
is willing to make a comment for the lsit on this. Is that OK with you both?

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:30 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote


> I have nothing at all against XML (except the lack of security) and
> think it's a great tool, but there is nothing inherently relational
> about XML.  So are they introducing an entirely new object-based data
> model, or what?  "Design a form and don't worry about the data
> structure" ... Until later?  I think of the nightmare designs I've seen
> in Excel and wonder just how far they intend to take this.  Just because
> ADO and XML can give you very flexible access to data doesn't mean the
> data can be shaped any ol' which way and still make sense!
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:03 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
>
>
> Yeah XML but inside a relational database.
>
> Martin
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:45 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
>
>
> > Am I the only one who thinks Access is history?  Heaven knows what
> > they intend to use to *analyze* that data they collect with InfoPath.
>
> > I certainly won't volunteer to do it because I had too much experience
>
> > trying to do something similar with data collected (similarly except
> > for the XML) in FileMaker!  Yuck!!  Relational design is apparently
> > too hard for people to learn so we're going to use XML instead.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:51 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
> >
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > Located this short article by Bill Ramos (Lead Program Manager,
> > Microsoft Office Access 2003) on InfoPath which addresses people like
> > us:
> >
> >   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13108
> >
> > and about the toolkit:
> >
> >   http://msadvisor.com/doc/13297
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > > Hi all
> >
> > > Anyone familiar with these new products and if they somehow relate
> > > to Access?
> >
> > > I've tried to browse some brochures but they are so hyped that it is
>
> > > just plain impossible to figure out wether these apps are fancy toys
>
> > > which will bring any machine to a crawl or if they could be useful
> > > tools in cooperation with Access and database applications.
> >
> > > And how are the programmed if you wish to create custom build apps?
> > > I've located this link to a SDK related to InfoPath:
> >
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616-93
> > > aa
> > > -4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en
> >
> > > but it looks like you need to take a deep breath and have a weekend
> > > set aside.
> >
> > > Also, how much are they relying on specific MS server software like
> > > SharePoint or Exchange or pure MS environments or Office 2003 only?
> > > If
> >
> > > so, the usefulness is very limited as our clients use a variety of
> > > systems.
> >
> > > /gustav
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 19 11:40:02 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:40:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
Message-ID: <19535455983.20031119184002@cactus.dk>

Boring day.
So here's a quick quiz to wake you up.

The time value of #02:00 AM# equals

   12/30/1899 02:00 AM

What does - off your head - this expression return:

? Format(DateAdd("h", -3, #02:00 AM#),"mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")

a) 12/30/1898 11:00 PM
b) 12/30/1899 01:00 AM
c) 12/30/1899 05:00 AM
d) 12/30/1899 05:00 PM
e) 12/30/1899 11:00 PM

The tricky part is DateAdd(). Format(), it is only for ensuring a
consistent format of the return value.

Morale: Be careful with negative time values.

/gustav


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 19 11:42:59 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:42:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
In-Reply-To: <000b01c3aec3$e3e160c0$9111758f@aine>
References:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C3F8@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
 <000b01c3aec3$e3e160c0$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <8735633207.20031119184259@cactus.dk>

Hi Martin

Yes. No problem.

/gustav

> Just out of interest I am goign to copy this thread to Bill Ramos see if he
> is willing to make a comment for the lsit on this. Is that OK with you both?


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Nov 19 11:46:54 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:46:54 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
References: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E2395EF@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c3aec5$1f1adb70$9111758f@aine>

Who needs the book when you have JC on the list (<:


Martin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Rojas" <JRojas at tnco-inc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:31 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


> Just wondering...is this article the entire chapter or is there more in
the
> book on this topic?
>
> Thanks!
> JR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:44 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
> only kidding John.
>
> As I said to you before, the stuff you put in is much better that anything
> in the previous versions.
>
> Martin
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:38 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
>
> > Sorry Martin, I didn't realize.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:03 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> >
> >
> > Mine where brand new as well. Not as good but new LOL
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:46 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> >
> >
> > > LOL.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the plug Gustav.  That would be my chapter, the only one in
> the
> > > book that was brand new.  Had to do a little pushing to get it in
there,
> > > they thought it too "advanced" for a beginning basic book.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:56 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
> > > among the numerous authors:
> > >
> > >   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276
> > >
> > > Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> > >
> > > One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
> > > handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
> > > This book chapter explains what it can do for you.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
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> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> > >
> > >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 19 12:01:18 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:01:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631245F@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

It's certainly OK with me.  It would be nice to know whether I need to
get into a new line of work! <G>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote


True

Here a code from someone at Microsoft when I asked about this stuff

"We have bet the farm on XML"

To be honest I hardly touched Infopath and OneNote during the entire
beta process. I have noticed that all big RDBMS are now including some
form of XML functionality (Oracle and DB2) and the new version of SQL
Server has a lot of features.

Lot of arguments on database debunkings re this sort of stuff and the
move away from simple relational data tp XML. Video etc all stored
within the database.

Just out of interest I am goign to copy this thread to Bill Ramos see if
he is willing to make a comment for the lsit on this. Is that OK with
you both?

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:30 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote


> I have nothing at all against XML (except the lack of security) and 
> think it's a great tool, but there is nothing inherently relational 
> about XML.  So are they introducing an entirely new object-based data 
> model, or what?  "Design a form and don't worry about the data 
> structure" ... Until later?  I think of the nightmare designs I've 
> seen in Excel and wonder just how far they intend to take this.  Just 
> because ADO and XML can give you very flexible access to data doesn't 
> mean the data can be shaped any ol' which way and still make sense!
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:03 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
>
>
> Yeah XML but inside a relational database.
>
> Martin
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:45 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
>
>
> > Am I the only one who thinks Access is history?  Heaven knows what 
> > they intend to use to *analyze* that data they collect with 
> > InfoPath.
>
> > I certainly won't volunteer to do it because I had too much 
> > experience
>
> > trying to do something similar with data collected (similarly except

> > for the XML) in FileMaker!  Yuck!!  Relational design is apparently 
> > too hard for people to learn so we're going to use XML instead.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:51 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
> >
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > Located this short article by Bill Ramos (Lead Program Manager, 
> > Microsoft Office Access 2003) on InfoPath which addresses people 
> > like
> > us:
> >
> >   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13108
> >
> > and about the toolkit:
> >
> >   http://msadvisor.com/doc/13297
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > > Hi all
> >
> > > Anyone familiar with these new products and if they somehow relate

> > > to Access?
> >
> > > I've tried to browse some brochures but they are so hyped that it 
> > > is
>
> > > just plain impossible to figure out wether these apps are fancy 
> > > toys
>
> > > which will bring any machine to a crawl or if they could be useful

> > > tools in cooperation with Access and database applications.
> >
> > > And how are the programmed if you wish to create custom build 
> > > apps? I've located this link to a SDK related to InfoPath:
> >
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616-
> > > 93
> > > aa
> > > -4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en
> >
> > > but it looks like you need to take a deep breath and have a 
> > > weekend set aside.
> >
> > > Also, how much are they relying on specific MS server software 
> > > like SharePoint or Exchange or pure MS environments or Office 2003

> > > only? If
> >
> > > so, the usefulness is very limited as our clients use a variety of

> > > systems.
> >
> > > /gustav
> >
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From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Wed Nov 19 12:11:28 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:11:28 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
Message-ID: <OF02AB9C9C.A33F8C6C-ON86256DE3.0063C5BB-86256DE3.0063ED69@nc.us.bank-dns.com>


I thought it would be either a or d.  But when I ran it I got 12/29/1899
11:00 PM.

I used the following:

Function test()
MsgBox Format(DateAdd("h", -3, #2:00:00 AM#), "mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")
End Function


                                                                                                                                 
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Boring day.
So here's a quick quiz to wake you up.

The time value of #02:00 AM# equals

   12/30/1899 02:00 AM

What does - off your head - this expression return:

? Format(DateAdd("h", -3, #02:00 AM#),"mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")

a) 12/30/1898 11:00 PM
b) 12/30/1899 01:00 AM
c) 12/30/1899 05:00 AM
d) 12/30/1899 05:00 PM
e) 12/30/1899 11:00 PM

The tricky part is DateAdd(). Format(), it is only for ensuring a
consistent format of the return value.

Morale: Be careful with negative time values.

/gustav

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From Elizabeth.Carter at telus.com  Wed Nov 19 12:30:23 2003
From: Elizabeth.Carter at telus.com (Elizabeth Carter)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:30:23 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
Message-ID: <C92CA56342E90843BF148AE54BCA9579011E3E57@bcmsg010.corp.ads>

The answer you got is the one I would have expected off the top of my head... but it wasn't an option in the answers.

Liz

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Sent: November 19, 2003 10:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values



I thought it would be either a or d.  But when I ran it I got 12/29/1899
11:00 PM.

I used the following:

Function test()
MsgBox Format(DateAdd("h", -3, #2:00:00 AM#), "mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")
End Function


                                                                                                                                 
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Boring day.
So here's a quick quiz to wake you up.

The time value of #02:00 AM# equals

   12/30/1899 02:00 AM

What does - off your head - this expression return:

? Format(DateAdd("h", -3, #02:00 AM#),"mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")

a) 12/30/1898 11:00 PM
b) 12/30/1899 01:00 AM
c) 12/30/1899 05:00 AM
d) 12/30/1899 05:00 PM
e) 12/30/1899 11:00 PM

The tricky part is DateAdd(). Format(), it is only for ensuring a
consistent format of the return value.

Morale: Be careful with negative time values.

/gustav

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From starkey at wanadoo.nl  Wed Nov 19 12:36:19 2003
From: starkey at wanadoo.nl (StaRKeY)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:36:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ODBC Driver Automation
In-Reply-To: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7835@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Message-ID: <LBEOIIMDLCKFLLKNJCMECEGGCLAA.starkey@wanadoo.nl>

Mark,

setting up the driver or the ODBC (user/system/file) dsn?
The driver has to be installed on the system, no way to automate this but
with execution of the driver installation file.

As for setting up an ODBC connection to a database you could look into this
hint: dbengine.RegisterDatabase

I also found this code on the web:
http://www.utteraccess.com/forums/access/access173548.html


Regards,
Eric Starkenburg


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Sent: woensdag 19 november 2003 18:32
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ODBC Driver Automation


Does anyone know of a way to automate the process of setting up an ODBC
driver to a SQL Server?

This would be extremely helpful.



Thanks,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.



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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Wed Nov 19 12:39:05 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:39:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ODBC Driver Automation
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D18990F@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Thanks Eric, I think I can use 'DBEngine.RegisterDatabase' to do what I
need.

Mark

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From: StaRKeY [mailto:starkey at wanadoo.nl] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ODBC Driver Automation

Mark,

setting up the driver or the ODBC (user/system/file) dsn?
The driver has to be installed on the system, no way to automate this
but
with execution of the driver installation file.

As for setting up an ODBC connection to a database you could look into
this
hint: dbengine.RegisterDatabase

I also found this code on the web:
http://www.utteraccess.com/forums/access/access173548.html


Regards,
Eric Starkenburg


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Sent: woensdag 19 november 2003 18:32
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ODBC Driver Automation


Does anyone know of a way to automate the process of setting up an ODBC
driver to a SQL Server?

This would be extremely helpful.



Thanks,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.



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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Wed Nov 19 12:39:19 2003
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:39:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Auto install fonts
Message-ID: <sfbb7301.049@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>

Thanks for the tip Gustav! Sorry for the delayed response...I've been
off quite a bit lately and, when I have been here, there has been many
diversions...today it is a 'toasted' server.
 
I not only downloaded Inno Setup, but I also downloaded IS Tool, which
is an interface designed for Inno, but created by another developer. It
seems like it is exactly what I need, but it also looks like it is going
to take some learning. 
 
Where did you get the <snip> that you sent me? I would like to
investigate it more. I actually have it working except for the font...I
don't know where to put it.
 
Thanks again. I believe this will save my department hours of work, in
the long run.
 
John W Clark


>>> gustav at cactus.dk 11/14/03 11:04AM >>>
Hi John

You can use the free Inno Setup for this:

  http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php 


<snip>

FontInstall

  Description:
Tells Setup the file is a font that needs to be installed. The value
of this parameter is the name of the font as stored in the registry or
WIN.INI. This must be exactly the same name as you see when you
double-click the font file in Explorer. Note that Setup will
automatically append " (TrueType)" to the end of the name.    

If the file is not a TrueType font, you must specify the flag
fontisnttruetype in the Flags parameter.

It's recommended that you use the flags onlyifdoesntexist and
uninsneveruninstall when installing fonts to the {fonts} directory. 
To successfully install a font on Windows 2000/XP, the user must be a
member of the Power Users or Administrators groups. On Windows NT 4.0
and earlier, anyone can install a font.

  Example:
Source: "OZHANDIN.TTF"; DestDir: "{fonts}"; FontInstall: "Oz Handicraft
BT"; Flags: onlyifdoesntexist uninsneveruninstall 

</snip>

/gustav


> I use basically the same 'look' for all (or most) of the programs
that I
> write for my employer. This 'look' includes two fonts that are not
> standard (airfoil.ttf and motley.ttf). When I install these programs
to
> a new computer, it is necessary for me to copy these ttf files and
then
> install them via 'control panel' and 'fonts'.

> This was all fine for a while, but now the number of programs is
> growing, as is the amount of users and the physical area that they
are
> spread over. Now I cannot always be the one who does the actual
> installation, so I have been trying to create an automated process
for
> the install of these programs. I currently use a batch file that
creates
> a directory in 'Program Files' on their root drive, copies the files
> into this directory, and copies a shortcut onto their desktop. The
> remaining problem is that the fonts need to be installed, and I
don't
> know how to get around having them install the font--I don't want
them
> to touch anything they don't need to touch.

> Is there a way to do this? I have never used any of the 'installer'
> programs that I have read about, on this list--is this what I need to
be
> looking at? And, if so, which ones? I think I have noticed 'Install
> Shield' (?) the most.

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 19 13:15:58 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:15:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Auto install fonts
In-Reply-To: <sfbb7301.049@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>
References: <sfbb7301.049@nebnov1.niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <2541211889.20031119201558@cactus.dk>

Hi John

The snip is from the help file.

If you study this - it's more like a reference - while looking at the
included samples (*.iss), you should be off.

As for "where to put it"? I guess you mean the source directory?
Either you can specify the full path of the font file:

Source: "S:\SETUP\fonts\TrueType\OZHANDIN.TTF"; ..

or insert a parameter under the [Setup] section:

SourceDir=c:\files

/gustav


> Thanks for the tip Gustav! Sorry for the delayed response...I've been
> off quite a bit lately and, when I have been here, there has been many
> diversions...today it is a 'toasted' server.
 
> I not only downloaded Inno Setup, but I also downloaded IS Tool, which
> is an interface designed for Inno, but created by another developer. It
> seems like it is exactly what I need, but it also looks like it is going
> to take some learning. 
 
> Where did you get the <snip> that you sent me? I would like to
> investigate it more. I actually have it working except for the font...I
> don't know where to put it.
 
> Thanks again. I believe this will save my department hours of work, in
> the long run.
 
> John W Clark


>>>> gustav at cactus.dk 11/14/03 11:04AM >>>
> Hi John

> You can use the free Inno Setup for this:

>   http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php 


> <snip>

> FontInstall

>   Description:
> Tells Setup the file is a font that needs to be installed. The value
> of this parameter is the name of the font as stored in the registry or
> WIN.INI. This must be exactly the same name as you see when you
> double-click the font file in Explorer. Note that Setup will
> automatically append " (TrueType)" to the end of the name.    

> If the file is not a TrueType font, you must specify the flag
> fontisnttruetype in the Flags parameter.

> It's recommended that you use the flags onlyifdoesntexist and
> uninsneveruninstall when installing fonts to the {fonts} directory. 
> To successfully install a font on Windows 2000/XP, the user must be a
> member of the Power Users or Administrators groups. On Windows NT 4.0
> and earlier, anyone can install a font.

>   Example:
> Source: "OZHANDIN.TTF"; DestDir: "{fonts}"; FontInstall: "Oz Handicraft
> BT"; Flags: onlyifdoesntexist uninsneveruninstall 

> </snip>

> /gustav


>> I use basically the same 'look' for all (or most) of the programs
> that I
>> write for my employer. This 'look' includes two fonts that are not
>> standard (airfoil.ttf and motley.ttf). When I install these programs
> to
>> a new computer, it is necessary for me to copy these ttf files and
> then
>> install them via 'control panel' and 'fonts'.

>> This was all fine for a while, but now the number of programs is
>> growing, as is the amount of users and the physical area that they
> are
>> spread over. Now I cannot always be the one who does the actual
>> installation, so I have been trying to create an automated process
> for
>> the install of these programs. I currently use a batch file that
> creates
>> a directory in 'Program Files' on their root drive, copies the files
>> into this directory, and copies a shortcut onto their desktop. The
>> remaining problem is that the fonts need to be installed, and I
> don't
>> know how to get around having them install the font--I don't want
> them
>> to touch anything they don't need to touch.

>> Is there a way to do this? I have never used any of the 'installer'
>> programs that I have read about, on this list--is this what I need to
> be
>> looking at? And, if so, which ones? I think I have noticed 'Install
>> Shield' (?) the most.


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 19 13:17:47 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:17:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312460@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Why would it return any of those values, Gustav?  Since the date is
implied, removing 3 hours from it is going to kick it into the previous
day.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values


Boring day.
So here's a quick quiz to wake you up.

The time value of #02:00 AM# equals

   12/30/1899 02:00 AM

What does - off your head - this expression return:

? Format(DateAdd("h", -3, #02:00 AM#),"mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")

a) 12/30/1898 11:00 PM
b) 12/30/1899 01:00 AM
c) 12/30/1899 05:00 AM
d) 12/30/1899 05:00 PM
e) 12/30/1899 11:00 PM

The tricky part is DateAdd(). Format(), it is only for ensuring a
consistent format of the return value.

Morale: Be careful with negative time values.

/gustav

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Nov 19 13:58:39 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 13:58:39 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Terminal Server and Access XP
Message-ID: <20031119135839.659822691.serbach@new.rr.com>

Dear Group,

I'm helping another Access developer in my area upgrade an app to Access XP Runtime that will run in a Terminal Server environment. I'm supposed to help with the installation and testing of this configuration, too.

One of the things I'm not clear on is this: does Runtime have to be installed once for every user on the Terminal Server? It seems to me that TS is based on Citrix, and as far as I know, a Citrix server parcelled out disk and RAM to each user; and each user had a copy of Word, Excel, etc., installed on his/her drive.

Is this correct or am I way off base?


Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 19 13:54:24 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:54:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312460@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <007a01c3aed6$f1f140a0$210110ac@SUSANONE>

Right -- shouldn't one of your options be 12/29/1899 11:00 PM?

Susan H. 


> Why would it return any of those values, Gustav?  Since the date is
> implied, removing 3 hours from it is going to kick it into the previous
> day.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:40 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
> 
> 
> Boring day.
> So here's a quick quiz to wake you up.
> 
> The time value of #02:00 AM# equals
> 
>    12/30/1899 02:00 AM
> 
> What does - off your head - this expression return:
> 
> ? Format(DateAdd("h", -3, #02:00 AM#),"mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")
> 
> a) 12/30/1898 11:00 PM
> b) 12/30/1899 01:00 AM
> c) 12/30/1899 05:00 AM
> d) 12/30/1899 05:00 PM
> e) 12/30/1899 11:00 PM
> 
> The tricky part is DateAdd(). Format(), it is only for ensuring a
> consistent format of the return value.
> 
> Morale: Be careful with negative time values.
> 
> /gustav
> 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 19 14:19:11 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:19:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
In-Reply-To: <001f01c3aec5$1f1adb70$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEAFFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

HEY!  My royalty % was so small I never expect to see anything, but with you
encouraging them to NOT buy the book...

;-)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Who needs the book when you have JC on the list (<:


Martin



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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:31 PM
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> Just wondering...is this article the entire chapter or is there more in
the
> book on this topic?
>
> Thanks!
> JR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:44 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
> only kidding John.
>
> As I said to you before, the stuff you put in is much better that anything
> in the previous versions.
>
> Martin
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:38 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
>
> > Sorry Martin, I didn't realize.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:03 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> >
> >
> > Mine where brand new as well. Not as good but new LOL
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:46 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> >
> >
> > > LOL.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the plug Gustav.  That would be my chapter, the only one in
> the
> > > book that was brand new.  Had to do a little pushing to get it in
there,
> > > they thought it too "advanced" for a beginning basic book.
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:56 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
> > > among the numerous authors:
> > >
> > >   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276
> > >
> > > Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> > >
> > > One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
> > > handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
> > > This book chapter explains what it can do for you.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 19 14:24:53 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:24:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
In-Reply-To: <20031119134021.89D14256FCE@smithers.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEAFFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

They also left off Ian Blackburn, and Helmut Watson.

John W. Colby 
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


John, you must have pushed too hard. Wrox have left you off the author's
list :-(

http://www.wrox.com/books/0764544020.shtml

Sue 'em, I say.


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
Date: 19/11/03 17:50


LOL.

Thanks for the plug Gustav. That would be my chapter, the only one in the
book that was brand new. Had to do a little pushing to get it in there,
they thought it too "advanced" for a beginning basic book.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi all

Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
among the numerous authors:

http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
This book chapter explains what it can do for you.

/gustav



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From askolits at ot.com  Wed Nov 19 14:39:45 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:39:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Freezing a datasheet rows like in Excel
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Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFKEFNDIAA.askolits@ot.com>

Anyone know a way to allow a user to freeze rows in a datasheet view like
you can freeze a frame in Excel?

John Skolits



From markamatte at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 19 14:51:29 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:51:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] First Record of Subform
Message-ID: <BAY1-F48RnzXotJAadV0000ef7c@hotmail.com>

Hello All,

Please forgive the confusing question...but:

In A97 I have a subform(SF2) that is refreshed each time a different record 
is selected in another subform(SF1).  Both are continuous forms.  When I 
click  a record in SF1...SF2 displays 5 records related to SF1 record...I 
click on record#5 in SF2....now I select a different record in SF1...and SF2 
displays 8 records...but record#5 has focus.

How do I refresh a subform and cause it to always go to the first record?

Thanks,

Mark

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 19 14:55:23 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:55:23 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] First Record of Subform
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312461@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Requery the subform.  That always sets the record pointer to the first
record.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:51 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] First Record of Subform


Hello All,

Please forgive the confusing question...but:

In A97 I have a subform(SF2) that is refreshed each time a different
record 
is selected in another subform(SF1).  Both are continuous forms.  When I

click  a record in SF1...SF2 displays 5 records related to SF1
record...I 
click on record#5 in SF2....now I select a different record in SF1...and
SF2 
displays 8 records...but record#5 has focus.

How do I refresh a subform and cause it to always go to the first
record?

Thanks,

Mark

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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 19 15:01:18 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:01:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
Message-ID: <BAY2-F94ZfP64O08vPw00018cd6@hotmail.com>

or f) None of the above?

it should be 12/29/1899 11:00 pm shouldn't it?

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:40:02 +0100
>
>Boring day.
>So here's a quick quiz to wake you up.
>
>The time value of #02:00 AM# equals
>
>    12/30/1899 02:00 AM
>
>What does - off your head - this expression return:
>
>? Format(DateAdd("h", -3, #02:00 AM#),"mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")
>
>a) 12/30/1898 11:00 PM
>b) 12/30/1899 01:00 AM
>c) 12/30/1899 05:00 AM
>d) 12/30/1899 05:00 PM
>e) 12/30/1899 11:00 PM
>
>The tricky part is DateAdd(). Format(), it is only for ensuring a
>consistent format of the return value.
>
>Morale: Be careful with negative time values.
>
>/gustav
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Nov 19 15:13:40 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:13:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275AC@main2.marlow.com>

That's my answer too.  Of course, I don't think I have ever used the DateAdd
function.  I just use plain old math when adding date/time info.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Kjos [mailto:garykjos at hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values


or f) None of the above?

it should be 12/29/1899 11:00 pm shouldn't it?

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:40:02 +0100
>
>Boring day.
>So here's a quick quiz to wake you up.
>
>The time value of #02:00 AM# equals
>
>    12/30/1899 02:00 AM
>
>What does - off your head - this expression return:
>
>? Format(DateAdd("h", -3, #02:00 AM#),"mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")
>
>a) 12/30/1898 11:00 PM
>b) 12/30/1899 01:00 AM
>c) 12/30/1899 05:00 AM
>d) 12/30/1899 05:00 PM
>e) 12/30/1899 11:00 PM
>
>The tricky part is DateAdd(). Format(), it is only for ensuring a
>consistent format of the return value.
>
>Morale: Be careful with negative time values.
>
>/gustav
>
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From greggs at msn.com  Wed Nov 19 15:37:33 2003
From: greggs at msn.com (Greggs)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:37:33 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Terminal Server and Access XP
In-Reply-To: <20031119135839.659822691.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <MOELIKDOANGCHBBIGOLIIENEDEAA.greggs@msn.com>

I haven't done Access XP Runtime but all the other apps I have done like
Office you just go to a DOS window, change user /install, and then install.
When you're finished you go back to DOS, change user /execute, exit.  The
app is available to all users with the single install.



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Terminal Server and Access XP


Dear Group,

I'm helping another Access developer in my area upgrade an app to Access XP
Runtime that will run in a Terminal Server environment. I'm supposed to help
with the installation and testing of this configuration, too.

One of the things I'm not clear on is this: does Runtime have to be
installed once for every user on the Terminal Server? It seems to me that TS
is based on Citrix, and as far as I know, a Citrix server parcelled out disk
and RAM to each user; and each user had a copy of Word, Excel, etc.,
installed on his/her drive.

Is this correct or am I way off base?


Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 19 16:11:44 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:11:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
In-Reply-To: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E2395EF@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEALFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Joe,

I didn't compare to the book directly but it appears that they published the
entire chapter, and that is all there is about withevents in the book.
However I also wrote a series of withevent articles for DatabaseAdvisors'
Many to Many.  Poke through the various newsletters at
http://www.databaseadvisors.com/newsletters.htm

And more importantly, take one of the simple examples and just do it.  It's
easy once you try it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Just wondering...is this article the entire chapter or is there more in the
book on this topic?

Thanks!
JR

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent

only kidding John.

As I said to you before, the stuff you put in is much better that anything
in the previous versions.

Martin


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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:38 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


> Sorry Martin, I didn't realize.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:03 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
>
> Mine where brand new as well. Not as good but new LOL
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:46 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
>
>
> > LOL.
> >
> > Thanks for the plug Gustav.  That would be my chapter, the only one in
the
> > book that was brand new.  Had to do a little pushing to get it in there,
> > they thought it too "advanced" for a beginning basic book.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:56 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> >
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
> > among the numerous authors:
> >
> >   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276
> >
> > Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent
> >
> > One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
> > handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
> > This book chapter explains what it can do for you.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov 19 16:30:50 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:30:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] ODBC Driver Automation
In-Reply-To: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7835@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Message-ID: <3FBC7BBA.32340.11B745@localhost>

On 19 Nov 2003 at 12:31, Mark Boyd wrote:

> Does anyone know of a way to automate the process of setting up an ODBC
> driver to a SQL Server?
> 

Here's the code I use (modify as necessary - watch for word wrap).

I don't claim any originality, I can't remember where I found this.

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private Declare Function RegEnumKeyEx Lib "advapi32.dll" _
Alias "RegEnumKeyExA" _
  (ByVal hKey As Long, _
   ByVal dwIndex As Long, _
   ByVal lpName As String, _
   lpcbName As Long, _
   ByVal lpReserved As Long, _
   ByVal lpClass As String, _
   lpcbClass As Long, _
   ByVal lpftLastWriteTime As String) As Long

Private Declare Function RegOpenKeyEx Lib "advapi32.dll" _
Alias "RegOpenKeyExA" _
    (ByVal hKey As Long, _
    ByVal lpSubKey As String, _
    ByVal ulOptions As Long, _
    ByVal samDesired As Long, phkResult As Long) As Long

Private Declare Function SQLConfigDataSource Lib "odbccp32.dll" _
    (ByVal hwndParent As Long, _
    ByVal fRequest As Integer, _
    ByVal lpszDriver As String, _
    ByVal lpszAttributes As String) As Long

Private Declare Function RegCloseKey Lib "advapi32.dll" _
    (ByVal hKey As Long) As Long

      Const HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE = &H80000002
      Const ERROR_SUCCESS = 0&
      Const SYNCHRONIZE = &H100000
      Const STANDARD_RIGHTS_READ = &H20000
      Const STANDARD_RIGHTS_WRITE = &H20000
      Const STANDARD_RIGHTS_EXECUTE = &H20000
      Const STANDARD_RIGHTS_REQUIRED = &HF0000
      Const STANDARD_RIGHTS_ALL = &H1F0000
      Const KEY_QUERY_VALUE = &H1
      Const KEY_SET_VALUE = &H2
      Const KEY_CREATE_SUB_KEY = &H4
      Const KEY_ENUMERATE_SUB_KEYS = &H8
      Const KEY_NOTIFY = &H10
      Const KEY_CREATE_LINK = &H20
      Const KEY_READ = ((STANDARD_RIGHTS_READ Or _
                        KEY_QUERY_VALUE Or _
                        KEY_ENUMERATE_SUB_KEYS Or _
                        KEY_NOTIFY) And _
                        (Not SYNCHRONIZE))

      Const REG_DWORD = 4
      Const REG_BINARY = 3
      Const REG_SZ = 1
      
      Const ODBC_ADD_SYS_DSN = 4

'*********** Modify next lines as appropriate**************
Const DSN_name = "MotuKoitabu"
Const Server_name = "192.168.0.1"   ' Raw IP address is used to avoid NT _
                                          Domain name resolution probs.
Const Database_name = "MotuKoitabu"
Const Database_description = "Motu Koitabu Roll"
      

Function Check_SDSN()

         '  Look for our System Data Source Name.  If we find it,then great!
         '  If not, then let's create one on the fly.
         
         Dim lngKeyHandle As Long
         Dim lngResult As Long
         Dim lngCurIdx As Long
         Dim strValue As String
         Dim classValue As String
         Dim timeValue As String
         Dim lngValueLen As Long
         Dim classlngValueLen As Long
         Dim lngData As Long
         Dim lngDataLen As Long
         Dim strResult As String
         Dim DSNfound As Long
         Dim syscmdresult As Long

         syscmdresult = SysCmd(acSysCmdSetStatus, "Looking for System DSN " & DSN_name & " ...")
         
         '  Let's open the registry key that contains all of the
         '  System Data Source Names.
         
         lngResult = RegOpenKeyEx(HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, _
                 "SOFTWARE\ODBC\ODBC.INI", _
                  0&, _
                  KEY_READ, _
                  lngKeyHandle)

         If lngResult <> ERROR_SUCCESS Then
             MsgBox "ERROR:  Cannot open the registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\ODBC\ODBC.INI." & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & _
                    "Please make sure that ODBC and the SQL Server ODBC drivers have been installed." & vbCrLf & _
                    "Contact call your IT Section for more information."
             syscmdresult = SysCmd(acSysCmdClearStatus)
             Check_SDSN = -1
         End If
         
         ' Now that the key is open, Let's look among all of
         ' the possible system data source names for the one
         ' we want.

         lngCurIdx = 0
         DSNfound = False
         
         Do
            lngValueLen = 512
            classlngValueLen = 512
            strValue = String(lngValueLen, 0)
            classValue = String(classlngValueLen, 0)
            timeValue = String(lngValueLen, 0)
            lngDataLen = 512

            lngResult = RegEnumKeyEx(lngKeyHandle, _
                                     lngCurIdx, _
                                     strValue, _
                                     lngValueLen, _
                                     0&, _
                                     classValue, _
                                     classlngValueLen, _
                                     timeValue)
            lngCurIdx = lngCurIdx + 1

         If lngResult = ERROR_SUCCESS Then
         
           ' Is this our System Data Source Name?
         
           If strValue = DSN_name Then
           
             '  It is!  Let's assume everything is good and do nothing.
             
             DSNfound = True
             syscmdresult = SysCmd(acSysCmdClearStatus)
         
           End If
           
         End If

         Loop While lngResult = ERROR_SUCCESS And Not DSNfound
         
         Call RegCloseKey(lngKeyHandle)

         If Not DSNfound Then
         
           '  Our System Data Source Name doesn't exist, so let's
           '  try to create it on the fly.
         
           syscmdresult = SysCmd(acSysCmdSetStatus, "Creating System DSN " & DSN_name & "...")
         
'*********** Deleted "Trusted_Connection = Yes" if using SQL Security
'            not NT Security to control access
         
           lngResult = SQLConfigDataSource(0, _
                                           ODBC_ADD_SYS_DSN, _
                                           "SQL Server", _
                                           "DSN=" & DSN_name & Chr(0) & _
                                           "Server=" & Server_name & Chr(0) & _
                                           "Database=" & Database_name & Chr(0) & _
                                           "UseProcForPrepare=Yes" & Chr(0) & _
                                           "Trusted_Connection=Yes" & Chr$(0) & _
                                           "Description=" & Database_description & Chr(0) & Chr(0))
                       
           If lngResult = False Then
           
             MsgBox "ERROR:  Could not create the System DSN " & DSN_name & "." & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & _
                    "Please make sure that the SQL Server ODBC drivers have been installed." & vbCrLf & _
                    "Contact IT Section for more information."
                    
             syscmdresult = SysCmd(acSysCmdClearStatus)
             Check_SDSN = -1

           End If
           
         End If
         
         syscmdresult = SysCmd(acSysCmdClearStatus)
         Check_SDSN = 0

End Function


 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Wed Nov 19 16:31:18 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:31:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Page Break and SubReport
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01BA7B4B@ccemail2.cce.local>

I have a report that has a subreport.  In the subreport there sometimes
is data and sometimes not.  When there is data, I want a page break and
then the subreport.  When there is not data, I want no page break and no
subreport.  When I put the pagebreak in the main report, I get a page
break regardless of what's in the subreport.  When I put it in the
subreport, I still get a page break even when the subreport doesn't show
because there is no data.  I've tried a couple of code manipulations
that look to see if there is no data and if there isn't set the
subreport to invisible, but that doesn't work.  Suggestions?

--Susan


Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568



From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Nov 19 16:42:54 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:42:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7961@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Gustav,

Interesting bug you've discovered there, but the moral is not "Be careful
with negative time values", but rather look out for Dec 30 1899 and
"negative additions"

Here's a little code I just run and the output from it...


Sub dateaddtest()
Dim n As Integer
Dim JustTime As Date
Dim TimeAndDate As Date

    JustTime = #2:00:00 AM#
    TimeAndDate = #12/31/1899 2:00:00 AM#
' note it you try  typing TimeAndDate = #21/30/1899 2:00:00# then Access
will
' automatically change it to TimeAndDate - #2:00:00#
    For n = 1 To 26
        Debug.Print n, Format(JustTime, "mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM"), _ 
	 Format(DateAdd("h", -n, JustTime), "mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM"), _ 
	 Format(DateAdd("h", n, JustTime), "mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")
    Next n
    Debug.Print "===================="
    For n = 1 To 5
        TimeAndDate = DateAdd("d", -1, TimeAndDate)
        Debug.Print n, Format(TimeAndDate, "mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM"), _ 
	Format(DateAdd("h", -3, TimeAndDate), "mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")
    Next n
End Sub

dateaddtest
 1            12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 01:00 AM
12/30/1899 03:00 AM
 2            12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 12:00 AM
12/30/1899 04:00 AM
 3            12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 11:00 PM
12/30/1899 05:00 AM
 4            12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 10:00 PM
12/30/1899 06:00 AM
 5            12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 09:00 PM
12/30/1899 07:00 AM
 6            12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 08:00 PM
12/30/1899 08:00 AM
 7            12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 07:00 PM
12/30/1899 09:00 AM
 8            12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 06:00 PM
12/30/1899 10:00 AM
 9            12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 05:00 PM
12/30/1899 11:00 AM
 10           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 04:00 PM
12/30/1899 12:00 PM
 11           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 03:00 PM
12/30/1899 01:00 PM
 12           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 02:00 PM
12/30/1899 02:00 PM
 13           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 01:00 PM
12/30/1899 03:00 PM
 14           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 12:00 PM
12/30/1899 04:00 PM
 15           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 11:00 AM
12/30/1899 05:00 PM
 16           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 10:00 AM
12/30/1899 06:00 PM
 17           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 09:00 AM
12/30/1899 07:00 PM
 18           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 08:00 AM
12/30/1899 08:00 PM
 19           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 07:00 AM
12/30/1899 09:00 PM
 20           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 06:00 AM
12/30/1899 10:00 PM
 21           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 05:00 AM
12/30/1899 11:00 PM
 22           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 04:00 AM
12/31/1899 12:00 AM
 23           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 03:00 AM
12/31/1899 01:00 AM
 24           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 02:00 AM
12/31/1899 02:00 AM
 25           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 01:00 AM
12/31/1899 03:00 AM
 26           12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 12:00 AM
12/31/1899 04:00 AM
====================
 1            12/30/1899 02:00 AM         12/30/1899 11:00 PM <== wrong
 2            12/29/1899 02:00 AM         12/28/1899 11:00 PM
 3            12/28/1899 02:00 AM         12/27/1899 11:00 PM
 4            12/27/1899 02:00 AM         12/26/1899 11:00 PM
 5            12/26/1899 02:00 AM         12/25/1899 11:00 PM

Notice that for the magic date 12/30/1899, no matter how many hours you
subtract from a Date/Time item you still wind up with a date of 12/30/1899.
On the other hand if you add hours on everything seems to work as expected.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Charlotte Foust [SMTP:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, November 19, 2003 2:18 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
> 
> Why would it return any of those values, Gustav?  Since the date is
> implied, removing 3 hours from it is going to kick it into the previous
> day.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:40 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
> 
> 
> Boring day.
> So here's a quick quiz to wake you up.
> 
> The time value of #02:00 AM# equals
> 
>    12/30/1899 02:00 AM
> 
> What does - off your head - this expression return:
> 
> ? Format(DateAdd("h", -3, #02:00 AM#),"mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")
> 
> a) 12/30/1898 11:00 PM
> b) 12/30/1899 01:00 AM
> c) 12/30/1899 05:00 AM
> d) 12/30/1899 05:00 PM
> e) 12/30/1899 11:00 PM
> 
> The tricky part is DateAdd(). Format(), it is only for ensuring a
> consistent format of the return value.
> 
> Morale: Be careful with negative time values.
> 
> /gustav
> 
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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 19 16:43:22 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:43:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] IE 5.5 download
Message-ID: <Sea2-F44Xx3UuyUoRKO000094c1@hotmail.com>

IE 5.5 is no longer available from Microsoft as a download yet I have a 
client in the position of it becoming a minimum system requirement to access 
a new government registry formerly only accessible with Netscape.  
Regrettably the client boxes run Win 3.11 and Win 95 and neither OS meets 
the IE 6 minimum of Win 98.  It seems there is a limitless supply of throw 
away computers and Win 95 licenses that will forever meet the client's needs 
and taste for Word Perfect 5.

The Win 95 machines currently run IE 5.00.2314.1003 and I'm curious whether 
5.5 can run on a 95 box and if there is any where a version can be obtained. 
  The registries will cease hosting the version that supports Netscape as of 
December 1, 2003.

By the way, the machines are rock, ok - sandstone, solid, provided I don't 
run Word, WordPerfect, Netscape and IE concurrently (Netscape tends to crash 
when all are loaded at once) and although there are obvious memory leaks in 
the OS (if the primary peer server isn't rebooted every 3 days, resources go 
below 30% and worse after a Netscape crash, so it is rebooted every 
morning).  The Win 95 machines run an Access 2K FE and the Win 3 machines 
use Access 2.  The fastest machine here runs a 233 AMD chip with 64 megs.  
I'm almost shocked at how well it all works.

Hen

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Wed Nov 19 16:49:26 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:49:26 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Terminal Server and Access XP
Message-ID: <20031119164926.699964895.serbach@new.rr.com>

Greggs,

>> I haven't done Access XP Runtime but all the other apps I have done like
Office you just go to a DOS window, change user /install, and then install.
When you're finished you go back to DOS, change user /execute, exit. <<

I'm sorry, but I didn't follow that. I know that you have to use a DOS window (God alone knows why) to execute certain NET commands like NET USER SoAndSo /TIME. Are you saying that it's important in Terminal Server, too? Who'd 'a thunk it?

Do you mean that you don't login/logout of Windows TS as you do with Windows 2000 or XP? I confess that I know nothing about the operation of Terminal Server.

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From KIsmert at TexasSystems.com  Wed Nov 19 17:02:38 2003
From: KIsmert at TexasSystems.com (Ken Ismert)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:02:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7961@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <006901c3aef1$3ad14350$2a3ca8c0@TEXASSYSTEMS.COM>

Lambert, Gustav:

Hmmm... What version of Access are you using? Lambert's routine gives
correct results using Access 2000, SP3. I get 12/29/1899 for the
subtractions > 2 hours, and 12/31 for additions > 23.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values


Gustav,

Interesting bug you've discovered there, but the moral is not "Be careful
with negative time values", but rather look out for Dec 30 1899 and
"negative additions"

Here's a little code I just run and the output from it...

. . .

Notice that for the magic date 12/30/1899, no matter how many hours you
subtract from a Date/Time item you still wind up with a date of 12/30/1899.
On the other hand if you add hours on everything seems to work as expected.

Lambert

. . .


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 19 17:46:15 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:46:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Page Break and SubReport
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312462@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Put it in the main report and set the pagebreak to Visible =  the
subreport's HasData property.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 2:31 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Page Break and SubReport


I have a report that has a subreport.  In the subreport there sometimes
is data and sometimes not.  When there is data, I want a page break and
then the subreport.  When there is not data, I want no page break and no
subreport.  When I put the pagebreak in the main report, I get a page
break regardless of what's in the subreport.  When I put it in the
subreport, I still get a page break even when the subreport doesn't show
because there is no data.  I've tried a couple of code manipulations
that look to see if there is no data and if there isn't set the
subreport to invisible, but that doesn't work.  Suggestions?

--Susan


Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568


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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed Nov 19 18:02:56 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:02:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F8D2@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

A97 gives result "e" from Gustav's original post - 12/30/1899 11:00 PM although we all agree it should return 12/29/1899.

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Ismert [mailto:KIsmert at TexasSystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values


Lambert, Gustav:

Hmmm... What version of Access are you using? Lambert's routine gives
correct results using Access 2000, SP3. I get 12/29/1899 for the
subtractions > 2 hours, and 12/31 for additions > 23.

-Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values


Gustav,

Interesting bug you've discovered there, but the moral is not "Be careful
with negative time values", but rather look out for Dec 30 1899 and
"negative additions"

Here's a little code I just run and the output from it...

. . .

Notice that for the magic date 12/30/1899, no matter how many hours you
subtract from a Date/Time item you still wind up with a date of 12/30/1899.
On the other hand if you add hours on everything seems to work as expected.

Lambert

. . .

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From greggs at msn.com  Wed Nov 19 19:32:05 2003
From: greggs at msn.com (Greggs)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:32:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Terminal Server and Access XP
In-Reply-To: <20031119164926.699964895.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <MOELIKDOANGCHBBIGOLIOENJDEAA.greggs@msn.com>

No... Terminal Services login does work just like windows.  The DOS commands
are just for installing the app.  You load the app using the procedure below
and then it is available to any Terminal Services user.  I should have been
a little clearer.

1. Open the DOS window and type... CHANGE USER /INSTALL
2. Install your application as you normally would
3. Go back to your DOS window and type... CHANGE USER /EXECUTE

You only have to do this when installing the app.  After that everything
should work just like it normally would.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Terminal Server and Access XP


Greggs,

>> I haven't done Access XP Runtime but all the other apps I have done like
Office you just go to a DOS window, change user /install, and then install.
When you're finished you go back to DOS, change user /execute, exit. <<

I'm sorry, but I didn't follow that. I know that you have to use a DOS
window (God alone knows why) to execute certain NET commands like NET USER
SoAndSo /TIME. Are you saying that it's important in Terminal Server, too?
Who'd 'a thunk it?

Do you mean that you don't login/logout of Windows TS as you do with Windows
2000 or XP? I confess that I know nothing about the operation of Terminal
Server.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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several coulombs of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced.

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 19 19:32:02 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:32:02 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] IE 5.5 download
References: <Sea2-F44Xx3UuyUoRKO000094c1@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3FBC1992.5080308@shaw.ca>

 From the help desk at U Victoria , it says Win95 works with IE5.5SP2
They only have the download installers which no longer work
but the help desk  directs you to another site that has the downloads
from IE 1.0 to IE 5.5 SP2 thru IE 6.0 and there is a SDK as well
You may need IE 4 for Win 3.11 not sure
Bit of a large download 84 Meg
http://browsers.evolt.org/?ie/32bit



Henry Simpson wrote:

> IE 5.5 is no longer available from Microsoft as a download yet I have 
> a client in the position of it becoming a minimum system requirement 
> to access a new government registry formerly only accessible with 
> Netscape.  Regrettably the client boxes run Win 3.11 and Win 95 and 
> neither OS meets the IE 6 minimum of Win 98.  It seems there is a 
> limitless supply of throw away computers and Win 95 licenses that will 
> forever meet the client's needs and taste for Word Perfect 5.
>
> The Win 95 machines currently run IE 5.00.2314.1003 and I'm curious 
> whether 5.5 can run on a 95 box and if there is any where a version 
> can be obtained.  The registries will cease hosting the version that 
> supports Netscape as of December 1, 2003.
>
> By the way, the machines are rock, ok - sandstone, solid, provided I 
> don't run Word, WordPerfect, Netscape and IE concurrently (Netscape 
> tends to crash when all are loaded at once) and although there are 
> obvious memory leaks in the OS (if the primary peer server isn't 
> rebooted every 3 days, resources go below 30% and worse after a 
> Netscape crash, so it is rebooted every morning).  The Win 95 machines 
> run an Access 2K FE and the Win 3 machines use Access 2.  The fastest 
> machine here runs a 233 AMD chip with 64 megs.  I'm almost shocked at 
> how well it all works.
>
> Hen
>
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From jmhla at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 19 19:36:16 2003
From: jmhla at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:36:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] 
	Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on one machine? X
	Posted
Message-ID: <001001c3af06$b4ab5de0$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>

I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
 
The OS is win XP.
 
How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
Which versions? What are most clients still using?
 
Thanks
 

Joe Hecht

Los Angeles CA

 

 

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 19 19:44:07 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:44:07 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
	one machine? XPosted
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312464@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I've got two at work, 97 and 2002 (WinXP).  On my personal machine
(Win2k), I have 97, 2000 and 2002.  I generally use either 2000 or 2002.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:36 PM
To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
one machine? XPosted


I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
 
The OS is win XP.
 
How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
Which versions? What are most clients still using?
 
Thanks
 

Joe Hecht

Los Angeles CA

 

 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov 19 19:53:43 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:53:43 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] 	Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
	one machine? X	Posted
In-Reply-To: <001001c3af06$b4ab5de0$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>
Message-ID: <3FBCAB47.13588.1E580AB7@localhost>

On 19 Nov 2003 at 17:36, Joe Hecht wrote:

> I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
>  
> The OS is win XP.
>  
> How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
> Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>  

2.0, 97 and 2K on one machine.
97 and 2K on several others.


I've got a couple of client sites with mixed 97/2000 installations (work 
stations range from old Compaq P133/32MB machines running W95 up to the 
latest Dells  running W2K).  Back ends are 97, front end MDEs are both 97 
and 2K.   I always have at least one machine with A97 and A2K installed 
on the site. 

As the older machines die, more and more machines switch over to the 2K 
version - hopefully in a couple of years, I'll be able to retire the A97 
FEs and upgrade the BEs :-)

One my primary dev machine in the office, I have a dual boot system with 
Office 97 running under 98SE and Office 2K running under W2KPro. It also 
has Office 4.3 (Access v2.0) on the 98SE partition - I installed it a 
year or so ago to crack an old protected v2 application so that I could 
upgrade it to 2K. Took me a while to find the installation set <g>)













-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Nov 19 20:02:49 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:02:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD]  Poll: How many versions of Access are you running 
	on one machine? X Posted
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275AF@main2.marlow.com>

I have Office 97, and Office 2000 developers Edition installed on 3 machines
(work machine, home machine, and laptop).

When dealing with Access work, almost everything I am getting is 2000.  I
would say that at least 80% of the access work (I do for contract stuff) is
in Access 2000.  The rest is 97.  Now, at my full time job, it is STRICTLY
Access 97, because our entire office is still using Office 97 (with some
upgrades for components like Front Page and Outlook).

Now, that is strictly dealing with Access only applications.  When I am
working with web pages, in house is STRICTLY 97.  As far as contract stuff,
it's split.  Some are 97, some are 2000.  However, if I am building from
scratch, I use 97 as the backend.  This includes VB and/or ASP front ends.
One note on this, when I build this applications, I use ADO to connect to
the Backends.  I also use the Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0 provider, which
connects to either 97 or 2000 database sources.  I do this for 2 reasons.
Back when I started writing VB front ends, the current service pack for VB
6.0 had a quirk in it (either the service pack or the version of MDAC, don't
remember which), which caused all sorts of odd behavior when using the
provider specifically for Jet 3.51.  However, the provider for Jet 4.0
didn't have the issues, and worked the same with Access 97.  Secondly, if
there is ever a reason to upgrade a backend from 97 to 2000, I don't have to
change the FE code, because it doesn't care.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:36 PM
To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
one machine? X Posted


I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
 
The OS is win XP.
 
How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
Which versions? What are most clients still using?
 
Thanks
 

Joe Hecht

Los Angeles CA

 

 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 19 20:23:10 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:23:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
	one machine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <001001c3af06$b4ab5de0$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEBGFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.

I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks
outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email sent.
SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't install it on my
dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT happy to have to
do that!

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:36 PM
To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
one machine? XPosted


I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003.

The OS is win XP.

How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
Which versions? What are most clients still using?

Thanks


Joe Hecht

Los Angeles CA




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From caa at highway.com.br  Wed Nov 19 20:23:04 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:23:04 -0200
Subject: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form
In-Reply-To: <003d01c3add6$5a484c40$0100a8c0@razvoj>
References: <003d01c3add6$5a484c40$0100a8c0@razvoj>
Message-ID: <oprywzkqaaeuy8y3@localhost>

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:16:57 +0100, Ervin Brindza <viner at eunet.yu> wrote:

> <Crossposted>
> Hi,
> I need an advice(Access97): on the main form I have 2 subforms, and 3 
> other(separated by meaning) subforms. The problem is that the users have 
> only 17" screen and I have to shrink the subforms too much. Can you 
> provide any reasonable solution? Like hiding one "thread" of subforms or 
> open one "thread of subforms" on some pop up window or something else?

What about using tabs???

-- 
**************************************
* Carlos Alberto Alves               *
* Child Neurologist                  *
* Systems Analyst/Programmer         *
* Rio de Janeiro, Brazil             *
* mailto:caa at highway.com.br          *
**************************************

From demulling at centurytel.net  Wed Nov 19 21:23:50 2003
From: demulling at centurytel.net (Demulling Family)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:23:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 	Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
	on one machine? X	Posted
In-Reply-To: <001001c3af06$b4ab5de0$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>
References: <001001c3af06$b4ab5de0$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>
Message-ID: <3FBC33C6.9030104@centurytel.net>

On my home pc I have A97, A2K, and AXP Developer.  OS is Win98

At work I have A97 and AXP Developer  OS is NT.  At work I see the 
following on user's desktops:

A97
A2K
A97 and A2k
AXP Runtime (This are my latest apps)

Joe Hecht wrote:

>I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
> 
>The OS is win XP.
> 
>How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
>Which versions? What are most clients still using?
> 
>Thanks
> 
>
>Joe Hecht
>
>Los Angeles CA
>
> 
>
> 
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>



From jmhla at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 19 21:27:47 2003
From: jmhla at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:27:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] John Colby Does your sysvar work in Access XP?
Message-ID: <002801c3af16$485cf9e0$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>

Less experienced programming minds would like to know.
 
Thanks
 

Joe Hecht

Los Angeles CA

 

 

From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 19 21:40:07 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:40:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form
In-Reply-To: <oprywzkqaaeuy8y3@localhost>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJEELPFFAA.john@winhaven.net>

IMO this is a very good suggestion.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Carlos Alberto
> Alves
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:23 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] More subforms on the main form
> 
> 
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:16:57 +0100, Ervin Brindza <viner at eunet.yu> wrote:
> 
> > <Crossposted>
> > Hi,
> > I need an advice(Access97): on the main form I have 2 subforms, and 3 
> > other(separated by meaning) subforms. The problem is that the 
> users have 
> > only 17" screen and I have to shrink the subforms too much. Can you 
> > provide any reasonable solution? Like hiding one "thread" of 
> subforms or 
> > open one "thread of subforms" on some pop up window or something else?
> 
> What about using tabs???
> 
> -- 
> **************************************
> * Carlos Alberto Alves               *
> * Child Neurologist                  *
> * Systems Analyst/Programmer         *
> * Rio de Janeiro, Brazil             *
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> 


From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Wed Nov 19 22:05:48 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:05:48 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running onone
	machine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEBGFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c3af1b$9476b050$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP for
email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look:
http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component which
needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> John W. Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are
> you running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks
> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every
> email sent.
> SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:36 PM
> To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
> Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
> running on
> one machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003.
>
> The OS is win XP.
>
> How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
> Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Joe Hecht
>
> Los Angeles CA
>
>
>
>
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Wed Nov 19 22:11:02 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:11:02 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] 	Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
	onone machine? X	Posted
In-Reply-To: <3FBCAB47.13588.1E580AB7@localhost>
Message-ID: <003f01c3af1c$5005d350$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>



> -----Original Message-----
> One my primary dev machine in the office, I have a dual boot
> system with
> Office 97 running under 98SE and Office 2K running under
> W2KPro. It also
> has Office 4.3 (Access v2.0) on the 98SE partition - I installed it a
> year or so ago to crack an old protected v2 application so
> that I could
> upgrade it to 2K. Took me a while to find the installation set <g>)

I remember for one project I was upgrading a BE to 2K from ver2, and was having
immense troubles.  I ended up digging out Office 4.3 as well, but after messing
around with it, discovered if I had used Acc97 as the intermediate I would have
had much less pain.

Stuart



From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Wed Nov 19 22:15:37 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:45:37 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Page Break and SubReport
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312462@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <009501c3af1d$14b7d450$ceedf73d@winxp>

Susan,

    If the RecordSource for a subreport has no data, the only event that gets fired (for the report acting as SourceObject for the subreport control) is its open event. Thereafter, for other events, the subreport behaves as if it does not exist.

    It would therefore be preferable to check for No Data by using DCount() function directly on the query serving as record source for the subreport.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 05:16
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Page Break and SubReport


  Put it in the main report and set the pagebreak to Visible =  the
  subreport's HasData property.

  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 2:31 PM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Page Break and SubReport


  I have a report that has a subreport.  In the subreport there sometimes
  is data and sometimes not.  When there is data, I want a page break and
  then the subreport.  When there is not data, I want no page break and no
  subreport.  When I put the pagebreak in the main report, I get a page
  break regardless of what's in the subreport.  When I put it in the
  subreport, I still get a page break even when the subreport doesn't show
  because there is no data.  I've tried a couple of code manipulations
  that look to see if there is no data and if there isn't set the
  subreport to invisible, but that doesn't work.  Suggestions?

  --Susan


  Susan B. Geller
  Office of Information Systems
  College of Continuing Education
  University of Minnesota
  306 Wesbrook Hall
  77 Pleasant Street SE
  Minneapolis, MN 55455
  Phone:  612-626-4785
  Fax:  612-625-2568


From weeden1949 at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 19 22:27:23 2003
From: weeden1949 at hotmail.com (Greg Smith)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:27:23 -0600
Subject: [AccessD]  Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
	one machine? X Posted
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275AF@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <BAY8-DAV41FgX4VMWf700006095@hotmail.com>

I have Access97 ODE and Access XP (used to have Access97 ODE, 2000 and XP,
but new computer and 2000 was toast).

Most of my clients are still using Access 97.  Hinting at changing to XP,
but now 2003 is out so they'll probably wait until I clear their apps
through it.  Sigh.  This is never going to end.

Greg Smith
weeden1949 at hotmail.com

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Nov 19 22:35:33 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:35:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] 	Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
	onone machine? X	Posted
In-Reply-To: <003f01c3af1c$5005d350$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
References: <3FBCAB47.13588.1E580AB7@localhost>
Message-ID: <3FBCD135.9437.1EEC3987@localhost>

On 20 Nov 2003 at 12:11, Stuart Sanders wrote:

> 
> I remember for one project I was upgrading a BE to 2K from ver2, and was having
> immense troubles.  I ended up digging out Office 4.3 as well, but after messing
> around with it, discovered if I had used Acc97 as the intermediate I would have
> had much less pain.
> 
> Stuart
> 

I would have if I could, but the problem was the Access security that was 
used. I had to run under v2.0 to crack it before I could do anythinbg 
with it in another version.


-- 
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Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From glen_mcwilliams at msn.com  Wed Nov 19 22:59:01 2003
From: glen_mcwilliams at msn.com (Glen McWilliams)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:59:01 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running onone
	machine? XPosted
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312464@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV75XTUaPwWJn0000de81@hotmail.com>

Is there some place I can find instructions for loading 97, 2000, 2002 on a machine?

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:44 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running onone machine? XPosted


  I've got two at work, 97 and 2002 (WinXP).  On my personal machine
  (Win2k), I have 97, 2000 and 2002.  I generally use either 2000 or 2002.

  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net] 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:36 PM
  To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
  Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
  one machine? XPosted


  I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
   
  The OS is win XP.
   
  How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
  Which versions? What are most clients still using?
   
  Thanks
   

  Joe Hecht

  Los Angeles CA

   

   
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 19 23:28:10 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 05:28:10 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] First Record of Subform
Message-ID: <BAY1-F67X5V3GykBbKP00010f15@hotmail.com>

Sorry Charlotte...but thats not the case...I requery the subform of SF2 on 
each ONCURRENT of SF1...and whatever record has focus prior...still has 
focus after the REQUERY.

Other ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] First Record of Subform
>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:55:23 -0800
>
>Requery the subform.  That always sets the record pointer to the first
>record.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:51 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] First Record of Subform
>
>
>Hello All,
>
>Please forgive the confusing question...but:
>
>In A97 I have a subform(SF2) that is refreshed each time a different
>record
>is selected in another subform(SF1).  Both are continuous forms.  When I
>
>click  a record in SF1...SF2 displays 5 records related to SF1
>record...I
>click on record#5 in SF2....now I select a different record in SF1...and
>SF2
>displays 8 records...but record#5 has focus.
>
>How do I refresh a subform and cause it to always go to the first
>record?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Wed Nov 19 23:36:29 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:36:29 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
	ononemachine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <BAY4-DAV75XTUaPwWJn0000de81@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <004301c3af28$4009c2c0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Generally involves installing in the correct order (97 then 2K then XP).  And to
be safe, install the service packs for each after each app install (97 and 97
SPs, then 2K and 2K SPs, etc)

When installing 2K and XP, you will need to do a custom install and tell the
installer not to remove the previous version of access.

Also note that it is advisable to put shortcuts to each msaccess.exe where you
can easily get them (ie for me they are in the quick launch toolbar on Windows
2K), as each version of access claims the mdb extension automatically when you
run it.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Glen McWilliams
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 12:59 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are
> you running ononemachine? XPosted
>
>
> Is there some place I can find instructions for loading 97,
> 2000, 2002 on a machine?
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Charlotte Foust
>   To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:44 PM
>   Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access
> are you running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
>   I've got two at work, 97 and 2002 (WinXP).  On my personal machine
>   (Win2k), I have 97, 2000 and 2002.  I generally use either
> 2000 or 2002.
>
>   Charlotte Foust
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net]
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:36 PM
>   To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
>   Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are
> you running on
>   one machine? XPosted
>
>
>   I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003.
>
>   The OS is win XP.
>
>   How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
>   Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>
>   Thanks
>
>
>   Joe Hecht
>
>   Los Angeles CA
>
>
>
>
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From jmhla at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 20 00:34:48 2003
From: jmhla at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:34:48 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
	ononemachine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <BAY4-DAV75XTUaPwWJn0000de81@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701c3af30$6857c760$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>

It used to be if you loaded the oldest version first and worked up you
were ok. Do not know if that is still true with XP and 2003

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Glen
McWilliams
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


Is there some place I can find instructions for loading 97, 2000, 2002
on a machine?

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:44 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
running onone machine? XPosted


  I've got two at work, 97 and 2002 (WinXP).  On my personal machine
  (Win2k), I have 97, 2000 and 2002.  I generally use either 2000 or
2002.

  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net] 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:36 PM
  To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
  Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
on
  one machine? XPosted


  I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
   
  The OS is win XP.
   
  How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
  Which versions? What are most clients still using?
   
  Thanks
   

  Joe Hecht

  Los Angeles CA

   

   
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 20 00:52:41 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:52:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running onone
 machine? XPosted
References:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312464@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
 <BAY4-DAV75XTUaPwWJn0000de81@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3FBC64B9.6080605@shaw.ca>

Load in order

Access 97, 2 Office service packs, (ODE SP 2 if needed), Jet 3.51 
Service Release 3 (needed for Jet SR7 and 8)
  Jet SR3 from here
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=7e82ef88-52ec-4a8f-8bb2-8b06d6cb668d&DisplayLang=en

Access 2000, 3 Office service packs

Access XP,  2 Office SP's

Finally Jet Service Pack 7 on win NT or Win9x,( Access xp won't install 
on win95.)
or Jet Service Pack 8 on Win2000, WinXP or Win2003
Maybe they have fixed 8 to run on lower OS, not sure.

You can't get the Office upgrades for Office 97 through the MS office 
update scan site anymore
but you can get all of them from here
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-CA;sp

Oh yes there are also these two new goodies for word97 and excel 97 
security.

http://woodyswatch.com/kb/?830354

http://woodyswatch.com/kb/?830356


Glen McWilliams wrote:

>Is there some place I can find instructions for loading 97, 2000, 2002 on a machine?
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Charlotte Foust 
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:44 PM
>  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
>  I've got two at work, 97 and 2002 (WinXP).  On my personal machine
>  (Win2k), I have 97, 2000 and 2002.  I generally use either 2000 or 2002.
>
>  Charlotte Foust
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net] 
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:36 PM
>  To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
>  Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
>  one machine? XPosted
>
>
>  I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
>   
>  The OS is win XP.
>   
>  How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
>  Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>   
>  Thanks
>   
>
>  Joe Hecht
>
>  Los Angeles CA
>
>   
>
>   
>  
>  
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 20 01:00:16 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:00:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running onone
 machine? XPosted
References:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312464@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
 <BAY4-DAV75XTUaPwWJn0000de81@hotmail.com> <3FBC64B9.6080605@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <3FBC6680.2000306@shaw.ca>

Oh yes install each version into a different directory say 
Office9,Office10 etc.


MartyConnelly wrote:

> Load in order
>
> Access 97, 2 Office service packs, (ODE SP 2 if needed), Jet 3.51 
> Service Release 3 (needed for Jet SR7 and 8)
>  Jet SR3 from here
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=7e82ef88-52ec-4a8f-8bb2-8b06d6cb668d&DisplayLang=en 
>
>
> Access 2000, 3 Office service packs
>
> Access XP,  2 Office SP's
>
> Finally Jet Service Pack 7 on win NT or Win9x,( Access xp won't 
> install on win95.)
> or Jet Service Pack 8 on Win2000, WinXP or Win2003
> Maybe they have fixed 8 to run on lower OS, not sure.
>
> You can't get the Office upgrades for Office 97 through the MS office 
> update scan site anymore
> but you can get all of them from here
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-CA;sp
>
> Oh yes there are also these two new goodies for word97 and excel 97 
> security.
>
> http://woodyswatch.com/kb/?830354
>
> http://woodyswatch.com/kb/?830356
>
>
> Glen McWilliams wrote:
>
>> Is there some place I can find instructions for loading 97, 2000, 
>> 2002 on a machine?
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----  From: Charlotte Foust  To: Access 
>> Developers discussion and problem solving  Sent: Wednesday, November 
>> 19, 2003 5:44 PM
>>  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you 
>> running onone machine? XPosted
>>
>>
>>  I've got two at work, 97 and 2002 (WinXP).  On my personal machine
>>  (Win2k), I have 97, 2000 and 2002.  I generally use either 2000 or 
>> 2002.
>>
>>  Charlotte Foust
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net]  Sent: Wednesday, 
>> November 19, 2003 5:36 PM
>>  To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
>>  Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
>>  one machine? XPosted
>>
>>
>>  I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003.    The OS is 
>> win XP.
>>    How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
>>  Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>>    Thanks
>>  
>>  Joe Hecht
>>
>>  Los Angeles CA
>>
>>  
>>    
>>  
>>
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 20 01:07:02 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:07:02 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
In-Reply-To: <19014831166.20031119125617@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFIEOPCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Guys:

An excellent article...Now I know what the 'withevents' and 'raiseevent' can
be used for other than passing error messages back  from a class.

Great stuff.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi all

Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
among the numerous authors:

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
This book chapter explains what it can do for you.

/gustav

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Nov 20 01:42:27 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:42:27 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
	one machine? XPosted
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CED3@stekelbes.ithelps.local>


Since yesterday I have now 3 versions running.

Access 2000, 2002(XP), 2003.
+Off Dev 2000, 2002.

Still have an client in A97 but I find A97 doesn't go that well with A2K
or others.
I'm used to the VBA interface of A2K, so I convert each time back and
forth between A2K and A97.
Give me sometimes some reference problems, but I can live with that.

Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:36 AM
To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
one machine? XPosted

I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
 
The OS is win XP.
 
How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
Which versions? What are most clients still using?
 
Thanks
 

Joe Hecht

Los Angeles CA

 

 
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From accessd666 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 20 02:01:11 2003
From: accessd666 at yahoo.com (Sad Der)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:01:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Copy current record
Message-ID: <20031120080111.64718.qmail@web60204.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi group,

i've got an DAO recordset in A2k called rstNM wich is
linked to table tblNewMessage

I need to copy the current record to a new table
called tblError. 

tblnewmessage and tblError are identical. 

Problem:
rstNM has 27 fields and several of them can be Null.

How can I copy the current record (wich has at least
one Null value) to this table?

TIA

Sander

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Nov 20 02:54:25 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:54:25 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Infopath and One Note
References: <20031120080111.64718.qmail@web60204.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000901c3af43$e615e4d0$9111758f@aine>

Disclaimer

This is a personal reply to me and NOT an OFFICIAL Microsoft Response

<quote>

I try to dispel the marketing hype around InfoPath for the Access developer.
I've yet to see an InfoPath
scenario that couldn't be solved quicker with Access 2003 and its new
XML features.  If you are not familiar with relational databases and tools
like
Access, then InfoPath is a tool to consider if your business is starting
to adopt XML as a transport mechanism between business processes.
   If you live in a world of ODBC and OLEDB for moving data within your
organization - and it's working - why mess with a good thing. On the
other hand, if you are struggling with ways to send that data through
your firewall to your business partners/customers, XML works really
well, because text doesn't get hung up in the process. With that said,
Access is an excellent tool for exporting relational data as XML and
importing XML from other sources.



From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 20 03:08:33 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:08:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Pop-quiz: DateAdd() and negative time values
In-Reply-To: <19535455983.20031119184002@cactus.dk>
References: <19535455983.20031119184002@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <294426525.20031120100833@cactus.dk>

Hi all

OK, this was a bit unfair as one option, the correct, was left out!
But that didn't fool you.

For a human the result should be:
f) 12/29/1899 11:00 PM

However, the result depends on the version.

Access 2.0 (!):
b) 12/30/1899 01:00 AM

Access 95, 97:
e) 12/30/1899 11:00 PM

Access 2000:
f) 12/29/1899 11:00 PM

I didn't go further but I guess Access XP and A2003 calculate it right
as A2000 does.

Also, Lambert's wording is more precise than mine:

.. the moral is not "Be careful with negative time values", but rather
look out for Dec 30 1899 and "negative additions" [for version 97 and
earlier].

/gustav


> Boring day.
> So here's a quick quiz to wake you up.

> The time value of #02:00 AM# equals

>    12/30/1899 02:00 AM

> What does - off your head - this expression return:

> ? Format(DateAdd("h", -3, #02:00 AM#),"mm\/dd\/yyyy hh\:nn AM/PM")

> a) 12/30/1898 11:00 PM
> b) 12/30/1899 01:00 AM
> c) 12/30/1899 05:00 AM
> d) 12/30/1899 05:00 PM
> e) 12/30/1899 11:00 PM

> The tricky part is DateAdd(). Format(), it is only for ensuring a
> consistent format of the return value.

> Morale: Be careful with negative time values for A97 and earlier.

> /gustav


From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Nov 20 11:54:19 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:54:19 (MET)
Subject: [AccessD] query
Message-ID: <200311201054.hAKAsJEU010363@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hello,

i have a query in which i want to show each "Praktijk" with the same "adres". 
How can this been done

now i get

[Praktijk]       [adres]
Janssen          rondweg
Janssen          rondweg
Janssen          rondweg
Janssen          herenweg
Hendriks         kortweg
Hendriks         kortweg
Hendriks         langeweg


i would like to have

[Praktijk]       [adres]
Janssen          rondweg
Janssen          herenweg
Hendriks         kortweg
Hendriks         langeweg


<sql>
SELECT DISTINCTROW tblHarts.Praktijk, tblHarts.Adres, tblHarts.Postcode, tblHarts.Plaats, tblHarts.Oud
FROM tblHarts
WHERE (((tblHarts.Praktijk) In (SELECT [Praktijk] FROM [tblHarts] As Tmp GROUP BY [Praktijk] )) AND ((tblHarts.Oud)=No))
ORDER BY tblHarts.Praktijk;
</sql>


From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Thu Nov 20 05:03:20 2003
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:03:20 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] query
Message-ID: <F37DAC9A2964B144A2973EBCA8C54DBD25DBFB@BURY2K23.bury.gov.uk>

try
change DISTINCTROW  to DISTINCT

	AFAIK the DISTINCTROW  will take into account other fields such as
tblHarts.Postcode, tblHarts.Plaats, tblHarts.Oud (if they differ from row to
row the row will be returned) with  DISTINCT if you only return the two
fields [Praktijk]       [adres] in your query then this should return the
results  as required

	Richard



Richard

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	pedro at plex.nl [SMTP:pedro at plex.nl]
> Sent:	20 November 2003 11:54
> To:	AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] query
> 
> Hello,
> 
> i have a query in which i want to show each "Praktijk" with the same
> "adres". 
> How can this been done
> 
> now i get
> 
> [Praktijk]       [adres]
> Janssen          rondweg
> Janssen          rondweg
> Janssen          rondweg
> Janssen          herenweg
> Hendriks         kortweg
> Hendriks         kortweg
> Hendriks         langeweg
> 
> 
> i would like to have
> 
> [Praktijk]       [adres]
> Janssen          rondweg
> Janssen          herenweg
> Hendriks         kortweg
> Hendriks         langeweg
> 
> 
> <sql>
> SELECT DISTINCTROW tblHarts.Praktijk, tblHarts.Adres, tblHarts.Postcode,
> tblHarts.Plaats, tblHarts.Oud
> FROM tblHarts
> WHERE (((tblHarts.Praktijk) In (SELECT [Praktijk] FROM [tblHarts] As Tmp
> GROUP BY [Praktijk] )) AND ((tblHarts.Oud)=No))
> ORDER BY tblHarts.Praktijk;
> </sql>
> 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Nov 20 05:05:44 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:05:44 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
	one machine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <001001c3af06$b4ab5de0$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>
Message-ID: <030801c3af56$3f005320$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

I have 97 and 2002. Main client still on 97.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
> Sent: 20 November 2003 01:36
> To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
> Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you 
> running on one machine? XPosted
> 
> 
> I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
>  
> The OS is win XP.
>  
> How many people have more than one version of Access on one 
> machine. Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>  
> Thanks
>  
> 
> Joe Hecht
> 
> Los Angeles CA
> 
>  
> 
>  
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Nov 20 06:59:51 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:59:51 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] First Record of Subform
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F67X5V3GykBbKP00010f15@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <031201c3af66$2fa20c60$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Mark
How about something like this in the OnCurrent of SF1:

Me.Parent.sub2.Form.Requery
If Me.Parent.sub2.Form.Recordsetclone.RecordCount<>0 then
  Me.Parent.sub2.Form.Recordsetclone.MoveFirst
  Me.Parent.sub2.Form.Bookmark=Me.Parent.sub2.Form.Recordsetclone.Bookmark
End If


Haven't tested it, but seems about right.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 






> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mark A Matte
> Sent: 20 November 2003 05:28
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] First Record of Subform
> 
> 
> Sorry Charlotte...but thats not the case...I requery the 
> subform of SF2 on 
> each ONCURRENT of SF1...and whatever record has focus 
> prior...still has 
> focus after the REQUERY.
> 
> Other ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> >From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> >Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
> >solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
> >solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] First Record of Subform
> >Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:55:23 -0800
> >
> >Requery the subform.  That always sets the record pointer to 
> the first 
> >record.
> >
> >Charlotte Foust
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
> >Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:51 PM
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: [AccessD] First Record of Subform
> >
> >
> >Hello All,
> >
> >Please forgive the confusing question...but:
> >
> >In A97 I have a subform(SF2) that is refreshed each time a different 
> >record is selected in another subform(SF1).  Both are 
> continuous forms.  
> >When I
> >
> >click  a record in SF1...SF2 displays 5 records related to SF1 
> >record...I click on record#5 in SF2....now I select a 
> different record 
> >in SF1...and SF2
> >displays 8 records...but record#5 has focus.
> >
> >How do I refresh a subform and cause it to always go to the first 
> >record?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mark
> >
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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 20 07:31:28 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 07:31:28 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Terminal Server and Access XP
Message-ID: <20031120073128.772570248.serbach@new.rr.com>

Greggs,

Thanks for the clarification. What floors me is that there is *anything* that requires a DOS command prompt in Windows these days.

Since I'm a rookie with Terminal Services let me see if I've got this right. I can install one copy of Access XP Runtime and one copy of the FE for my Access application on the Terminal Services server. The BE is also installed there. Then anybody that is a user of the Terminal Server loads a copy of Access XP Runtime and my application into a "separate" memory space on the server and just the screens are sent down the wire to the user's workstation/terminal. All of the normal Access processing of queries and reports and such is done on the Terminal Server for each and every user of the Access application.

Have I got that right?

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 20 07:33:06 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 07:33:06 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K / AXP: Indirect Replication
Message-ID: <20031120073306.1667392103.serbach@new.rr.com>

Dear Group,

So, nobody here has done Indirect Synchronization / Replication using an FTP site "drop box"?

Well, maybe if I get it going I can write an article for the AccessD newsletter, eh?

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 20 08:01:32 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:01:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running onone
	machine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <3FBC64B9.6080605@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEDGFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Why don't you write this up for Many to Many?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 1:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
onone machine? XPosted


Load in order

Access 97, 2 Office service packs, (ODE SP 2 if needed), Jet 3.51
Service Release 3 (needed for Jet SR7 and 8)
  Jet SR3 from here
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=7e82ef88-52ec-4a8f-
8bb2-8b06d6cb668d&DisplayLang=en

Access 2000, 3 Office service packs

Access XP,  2 Office SP's

Finally Jet Service Pack 7 on win NT or Win9x,( Access xp won't install
on win95.)
or Jet Service Pack 8 on Win2000, WinXP or Win2003
Maybe they have fixed 8 to run on lower OS, not sure.

You can't get the Office upgrades for Office 97 through the MS office
update scan site anymore
but you can get all of them from here
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-CA;sp

Oh yes there are also these two new goodies for word97 and excel 97
security.

http://woodyswatch.com/kb/?830354

http://woodyswatch.com/kb/?830356


Glen McWilliams wrote:

>Is there some place I can find instructions for loading 97, 2000, 2002 on a
machine?
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Charlotte Foust
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:44 PM
>  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
onone machine? XPosted
>
>
>  I've got two at work, 97 and 2002 (WinXP).  On my personal machine
>  (Win2k), I have 97, 2000 and 2002.  I generally use either 2000 or 2002.
>
>  Charlotte Foust
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net]
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:36 PM
>  To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
>  Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
>  one machine? XPosted
>
>
>  I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003.
>
>  The OS is win XP.
>
>  How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
>  Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>
>  Thanks
>
>
>  Joe Hecht
>
>  Los Angeles CA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 20 08:03:19 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:03:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
	runningononemachine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <004301c3af28$4009c2c0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEDHFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Also make SURE that you put them each in a different directory and program
group.  I use Office for 97 (it doesn't seem to offer a choice), but then
use Microsoft Office2K for 2K and Microsoft Office XP for XP.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:36 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Generally involves installing in the correct order (97 then 2K then XP).
And to
be safe, install the service packs for each after each app install (97 and
97
SPs, then 2K and 2K SPs, etc)

When installing 2K and XP, you will need to do a custom install and tell the
installer not to remove the previous version of access.

Also note that it is advisable to put shortcuts to each msaccess.exe where
you
can easily get them (ie for me they are in the quick launch toolbar on
Windows
2K), as each version of access claims the mdb extension automatically when
you
run it.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Glen McWilliams
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 12:59 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are
> you running ononemachine? XPosted
>
>
> Is there some place I can find instructions for loading 97,
> 2000, 2002 on a machine?
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Charlotte Foust
>   To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:44 PM
>   Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access
> are you running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
>   I've got two at work, 97 and 2002 (WinXP).  On my personal machine
>   (Win2k), I have 97, 2000 and 2002.  I generally use either
> 2000 or 2002.
>
>   Charlotte Foust
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net]
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:36 PM
>   To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
>   Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are
> you running on
>   one machine? XPosted
>
>
>   I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003.
>
>   The OS is win XP.
>
>   How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
>   Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>
>   Thanks
>
>
>   Joe Hecht
>
>   Los Angeles CA
>
>
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 20 08:04:59 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:04:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
	ononemachine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <003e01c3af1b$9476b050$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEDHFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP for
email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look:
http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which
needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> John W. Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are
> you running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks
> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every
> email sent.
> SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:36 PM
> To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
> Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
> running on
> one machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003.
>
> The OS is win XP.
>
> How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
> Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Joe Hecht
>
> Los Angeles CA
>
>
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 20 08:06:41 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:06:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] John Colby Does your sysvar work in Access XP?
In-Reply-To: <002801c3af16$485cf9e0$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEDHFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Joe,

Yes it does.

John W. Colby 
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:28 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] John Colby Does your sysvar work in Access XP?


Less experienced programming minds would like to know.
 
Thanks
 

Joe Hecht

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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 20 08:26:09 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:26:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
	one machine? XPosted
Message-ID: <BAY2-F302kvYNxpsvo400005fc7@hotmail.com>

Main work machine is Office 2000 on Windows 2000
Second work Machine (My previous main system) is Office 97 on NT4

My Main home machine has Office XP on Windows XP Pro
Second system (old main system) is Office 97 Developer and Access 2 on 
Windows 98 SE.
An old Laptop has Office 97 Developer and Access 2 on Windows 98 SE
My wife's computer has Office 97 on Windows 95

My work projects are primarily Access 2000.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Joe Hecht" <jmhla at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
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><ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
>Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on one 
>machine? XPosted
>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:36:16 -0800
>
>I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003.
>
>The OS is win XP.
>
>How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
>Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Joe Hecht
>
>Los Angeles CA
>
>
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From JHewson at karta.com  Thu Nov 20 08:34:00 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:34:00 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
	one machine? XPosted
Message-ID: <4AE733BBEEE72647A9F950F7275F262E1125AA@nt04.karta.com>


Office:  A97, A2K, AXP, Windows 2000 Pro
Home:  A2K, AXP, Windows XP
Primary development A2K.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:36 PM
To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
one machine? XPosted


I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
 
The OS is win XP.
 
How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
Which versions? What are most clients still using?
 
Thanks
 

Joe Hecht

Los Angeles CA

 

 
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From ranthony at wrsystems.com  Thu Nov 20 08:49:30 2003
From: ranthony at wrsystems.com (Randall Anthony)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:49:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running o
	none machine? XPosted
Message-ID: <5F21A4E8B8DD734992EF9E70AC9D30641288D7@mail2.wrsystems.com>

A2.0, A97, A2K, AXP.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Hewson [mailto:JHewson at karta.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
onone machine? XPosted


Office:  A97, A2K, AXP, Windows 2000 Pro
Home:  A2K, AXP, Windows XP
Primary development A2K.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:36 PM
To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
one machine? XPosted


I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
 
The OS is win XP.
 
How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
Which versions? What are most clients still using?
 
Thanks
 

Joe Hecht

Los Angeles CA

 

 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 20 08:49:25 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:49:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFIEOPCPAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDJFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Thank you, thank you, (takes a deep bow).  <grin>

As you can see it was actually a chapter in a book.  I had some pretty
nitpicky tech editors going at it and in the end, one of them still just
didn't understand the whole thing.  That really isn't surprising however, it
took me three passes at Shamil's stuff on his web site before I finally "got
it".  Now I look back and scratch my head wondering why - the basic stuff is
just dead simple.

I really think it's the concept of an event being radiated and ANY class can
listen if the programmer knows how to set it up that threw me.  We all come
from the idea that a control BELONGS to a form and only the form can hear
it's events, and nothing in Access ever tells us otherwise.  Then along
comes withevents which tells us that every event generated by any object can
be picked up in any class anywhere (on the same machine), whether in a form,
a different form, or just a class loaded by some piece of code somewhere.
If the listener has dimmed an instance of that KIND of object (lets say a
combo) and received a pointer to the exact object (combo) that it wants to
listen to, then it can receive control when that object's events fire.

I built a class (as mentioned in this chapter) for a real client, an
insurance company. They had a business rule that they modeled with a set of
5 check boxes.  These check boxes tied directly to 5 Boolean fields in a
table.  The check boxes were inter-related, one meant the claim was a
maternity claim, an accident, an illness, was auto related or was workers
comp.

It sounds weird I know but that's one of the ways they sorted and looked at
their claims.  So the SET of checkboxes had to be handled as an entity, they
interrelated.  An accident was NOT an illness.  A maternity claim WAS an
illness and was NOT an accident.  Auto related WAS an accident and NOT an
illness.  And then there were rules as to which of the above could be
workers comp.

In order to prevent data entry errors, I needed to do checking as they
clicked check boxes.  If they clicked auto, I checked the accident and
cleared the illness and maternity, if they clicked the maternity, I cleared
the auto and accident and set the illness.  Etc.

In order to encapsulate this whole thing into a SYSTEM that was an
integrated whole, I built a class, passed in a pointer to all five check
boxes, and sank the click event for each check box.  I then built all of the
code to do this checking as a private function inside the class.

It turns out that I needed an identical set of 5 checkboxes in three
different forms - an Initial Data Entry (IDE) form for Long Term Disability
(a set of users), another IDE for Short Term Disability (a different set of
users) and a central claim form where everybody came to maintain claims.
Because I had written a class to encapsulate the whole into a class I could
set the whole thing up with 3 lines of code in each form:

**in the form header
Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

*** in the form OnOpen

    Set ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes = New dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes
    ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes.Init fclsfrm, Me, chkWorkComp, chkAutoRelated,
chkAccident, chkSickness, chkMaternity

Having done that, the class instance handled all of the checking as check
boxes were checked / unchecked.  There were no event sinks required in the
form for the checkboxes, and if the rules need changing just go to the class
and everything required is right there.  Class module header comments can
explain why I am doing what I am doing (Documentation!!!) all in one place.

NOTICE that the class was dimensioned WithEvents!!!

Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

What this means is that the class raises it's own event to notify the form
that the boxes had changed.  THIS is a critical concept as well, RaiseEvent
means that a class can radiate an event in case anyone cares to listen.

It turned out that Long term and Short term handled things a bit differently
and some recalculations in other fields were needed in STD forms where they
aren't needed in LTD forms.  By radiating an event saying that these check
boxes had changed, I could listen for that event in the STD initial data
entry form and do the recalcs, but ignore the event in LTD IDE.

Withevents and Raiseevents are nothing magical.  They are just an extension
of what every Access developer already knows.  But once you wrap your mind
around what it can do for you, the difference in the way you attack things
can be startling (even magical).

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi Guys:

An excellent article...Now I know what the 'withevents' and 'raiseevent' can
be used for other than passing error messages back  from a class.

Great stuff.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi all

Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
among the numerous authors:

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
This book chapter explains what it can do for you.

/gustav




From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Nov 20 08:54:54 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:54:54 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running onone
	machine? XPosted
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CED6@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

A2.0 Oh my god...

I wonder if anyone has 2.0, 95, 97, 2K, 2K2, 2K3 on the same desktop.

No real apps where developed in 1,0 ot 1,1 so that should really not
exists anymore...

Erwin

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Randall
Anthony
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 3:49 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
onone machine? XPosted

A2.0, A97, A2K, AXP.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Hewson [mailto:JHewson at karta.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
onone machine? XPosted


Office:  A97, A2K, AXP, Windows 2000 Pro
Home:  A2K, AXP, Windows XP
Primary development A2K.

Jim


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From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:36 PM
To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
one machine? XPosted


I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
 
The OS is win XP.
 
How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
Which versions? What are most clients still using?
 
Thanks
 

Joe Hecht

Los Angeles CA

 

 
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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Thu Nov 20 09:03:35 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:03:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running o
	none machine? XPosted
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE15A@TAPPEEXCH01>

I'm still maintaining a handful of A2.0 apps here as well.  I've considered
upsizing them but haven't found a compelling business reason to do so.
Plus, they run about 4x the speed of an equivalent A2K app.

I had a client with an invoicing app written using A1, which I avoided.  As
JC put it, A1 is a steak sauce, not a development platform.

Most developers avoided A95 like the plague due to its general
instability/suckyness.

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
onone machine? XPosted


A2.0 Oh my god...

I wonder if anyone has 2.0, 95, 97, 2K, 2K2, 2K3 on the same desktop.

No real apps where developed in 1,0 ot 1,1 so that should really not
exists anymore...

Erwin

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From greggs at msn.com  Thu Nov 20 09:14:36 2003
From: greggs at msn.com (Greggs)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:14:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Terminal Server and Access XP
In-Reply-To: <20031120073128.772570248.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <MOELIKDOANGCHBBIGOLIEEOLDEAA.greggs@msn.com>

Right... you give them the normal shortcut to the FE in the Terminal
Services window and Terminal Services will do the rest.

It will work just as though you had one FE on a regular windows network. So
if your app requires separate front ends for each user as most of mine do,
you will have to set up separate FEs for each user on Terminal services.

It is an awesome product.  Performance is outstanding and you can shadow the
user which makes support and training a breeze.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Terminal Server and Access XP


Greggs,

Thanks for the clarification. What floors me is that there is *anything*
that requires a DOS command prompt in Windows these days.

Since I'm a rookie with Terminal Services let me see if I've got this right.
I can install one copy of Access XP Runtime and one copy of the FE for my
Access application on the Terminal Services server. The BE is also installed
there. Then anybody that is a user of the Terminal Server loads a copy of
Access XP Runtime and my application into a "separate" memory space on the
server and just the screens are sent down the wire to the user's
workstation/terminal. All of the normal Access processing of queries and
reports and such is done on the Terminal Server for each and every user of
the Access application.

Have I got that right?

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 20 09:08:41 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:08:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running onone
	machine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CED6@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CED6@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <1926034555.20031120160841@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

> A2.0 Oh my god...

> I wonder if anyone has 2.0, 95, 97, 2K, 2K2, 2K3 on the same desktop.

Not exactly but:

  2.0, 95, 97, 2K on the same desktop.

Don't blame A2.0. It still runs rock steady - on everything from WinXP
down to Win95 - and Win 3.11 should you ever need it.

/gustav


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 20 09:11:44 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:11:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running onone
	machine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE15A@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEDNFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>


>...due to its general instability/suckyness.

LOL.  That just about says it.  I refuse to even look at anything in A95
that the client won't allow me to port to at least A97.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
onone machine? XPosted


I'm still maintaining a handful of A2.0 apps here as well.  I've considered
upsizing them but haven't found a compelling business reason to do so.
Plus, they run about 4x the speed of an equivalent A2K app.

I had a client with an invoicing app written using A1, which I avoided.  As
JC put it, A1 is a steak sauce, not a development platform.

Most developers avoided A95 like the plague due to its general
instability/suckyness.

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
onone machine? XPosted


A2.0 Oh my god...

I wonder if anyone has 2.0, 95, 97, 2K, 2K2, 2K3 on the same desktop.

No real apps where developed in 1,0 ot 1,1 so that should really not
exists anymore...

Erwin

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 20 09:47:44 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:47:44 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
Message-ID: <20031120094744.1147728671.serbach@new.rr.com>

Dear Group,

No, it isn't a video game. It's a Not-For-Distribution packet containing just about every Microsoft application under the sun. It looked to me first like it was like an MSDN Universal subscription, except much cheaper. Has anyone here taken advantage of this? Sorry if you've seen this before:

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack/actionpackus.aspx


Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 20 09:46:03 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:46:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running o
	none machine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE15A@TAPPEEXCH01>
References: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE15A@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <7528276920.20031120164603@cactus.dk>

Hi Brett

> I'm still maintaining a handful of A2.0 apps here as well.  I've considered
> upsizing them but haven't found a compelling business reason to do so.
> Plus, they run about 4x the speed of an equivalent A2K app.

I've noticed similar differences in speed.

> I had a client with an invoicing app written using A1, which I avoided.  As
> JC put it, A1 is a steak sauce, not a development platform.

> Most developers avoided A95 like the plague due to its general
> instability/suckyness.

This is not entirely true. We had a client running a major
accounting/invoicing package, four concurrent users, for about five
years without a hitch.
But, of course, this was in a NetWare environment ...

/gustav


From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 20 10:04:42 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:04:42 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Terminal Server and Access XP
Message-ID: <20031120100442.1545946710.serbach@new.rr.com>

Greggs,

Again, thanks for the clarification. This will be the first time I've ever worked with Terminal Services.

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From jdolby at GATELY.COM  Thu Nov 20 10:03:35 2003
From: jdolby at GATELY.COM (Jack Dolby)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:03:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
Message-ID: <84C3AB1A3A24D311BC9100500410A17E94E335@GATELY01>

We are on our second year of Action Pack and it is worth every penny!

Jack Dolby
Gately Communication Company

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack

Dear Group,

No, it isn't a video game. It's a Not-For-Distribution packet containing
just about every Microsoft application under the sun. It looked to me first
like it was like an MSDN Universal subscription, except much cheaper. Has
anyone here taken advantage of this? Sorry if you've seen this before:

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
/actionpackus.aspx


Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 20 10:21:19 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:21:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
	ononemachine? XPosted
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312465@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Access 2 was a solid, but somewhat limited database.  It was very fast
because its AccessBasic was written in Assembler, but there were *so*
many things you had to fake ... Like tooltips ... And the commandbars
had to be created using macros!  The move to VBA came in A95, which I
managed to avoid.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


Hi Erwin

> A2.0 Oh my god...

> I wonder if anyone has 2.0, 95, 97, 2K, 2K2, 2K3 on the same desktop.

Not exactly but:

  2.0, 95, 97, 2K on the same desktop.

Don't blame A2.0. It still runs rock steady - on everything from WinXP
down to Win95 - and Win 3.11 should you ever need it.

/gustav

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 20 10:24:58 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:24:58 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312466@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I think you've hit on it, John.  I had the same experience of studying
Shamil's stuff and suddenly understanding it.  Unfortunately, I still
have difficulty explaining it to anyone else.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Thank you, thank you, (takes a deep bow).  <grin>

As you can see it was actually a chapter in a book.  I had some pretty
nitpicky tech editors going at it and in the end, one of them still just
didn't understand the whole thing.  That really isn't surprising
however, it took me three passes at Shamil's stuff on his web site
before I finally "got it".  Now I look back and scratch my head
wondering why - the basic stuff is just dead simple.

I really think it's the concept of an event being radiated and ANY class
can listen if the programmer knows how to set it up that threw me.  We
all come from the idea that a control BELONGS to a form and only the
form can hear it's events, and nothing in Access ever tells us
otherwise.  Then along comes withevents which tells us that every event
generated by any object can be picked up in any class anywhere (on the
same machine), whether in a form, a different form, or just a class
loaded by some piece of code somewhere. If the listener has dimmed an
instance of that KIND of object (lets say a
combo) and received a pointer to the exact object (combo) that it wants
to listen to, then it can receive control when that object's events
fire.

I built a class (as mentioned in this chapter) for a real client, an
insurance company. They had a business rule that they modeled with a set
of 5 check boxes.  These check boxes tied directly to 5 Boolean fields
in a table.  The check boxes were inter-related, one meant the claim was
a maternity claim, an accident, an illness, was auto related or was
workers comp.

It sounds weird I know but that's one of the ways they sorted and looked
at their claims.  So the SET of checkboxes had to be handled as an
entity, they interrelated.  An accident was NOT an illness.  A maternity
claim WAS an illness and was NOT an accident.  Auto related WAS an
accident and NOT an illness.  And then there were rules as to which of
the above could be workers comp.

In order to prevent data entry errors, I needed to do checking as they
clicked check boxes.  If they clicked auto, I checked the accident and
cleared the illness and maternity, if they clicked the maternity, I
cleared the auto and accident and set the illness.  Etc.

In order to encapsulate this whole thing into a SYSTEM that was an
integrated whole, I built a class, passed in a pointer to all five check
boxes, and sank the click event for each check box.  I then built all of
the code to do this checking as a private function inside the class.

It turns out that I needed an identical set of 5 checkboxes in three
different forms - an Initial Data Entry (IDE) form for Long Term
Disability (a set of users), another IDE for Short Term Disability (a
different set of
users) and a central claim form where everybody came to maintain claims.
Because I had written a class to encapsulate the whole into a class I
could set the whole thing up with 3 lines of code in each form:

**in the form header
Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

*** in the form OnOpen

    Set ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes = New dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes
    ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes.Init fclsfrm, Me, chkWorkComp,
chkAutoRelated, chkAccident, chkSickness, chkMaternity

Having done that, the class instance handled all of the checking as
check boxes were checked / unchecked.  There were no event sinks
required in the form for the checkboxes, and if the rules need changing
just go to the class and everything required is right there.  Class
module header comments can explain why I am doing what I am doing
(Documentation!!!) all in one place.

NOTICE that the class was dimensioned WithEvents!!!

Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

What this means is that the class raises it's own event to notify the
form that the boxes had changed.  THIS is a critical concept as well,
RaiseEvent means that a class can radiate an event in case anyone cares
to listen.

It turned out that Long term and Short term handled things a bit
differently and some recalculations in other fields were needed in STD
forms where they aren't needed in LTD forms.  By radiating an event
saying that these check boxes had changed, I could listen for that event
in the STD initial data entry form and do the recalcs, but ignore the
event in LTD IDE.

Withevents and Raiseevents are nothing magical.  They are just an
extension of what every Access developer already knows.  But once you
wrap your mind around what it can do for you, the difference in the way
you attack things can be startling (even magical).

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi Guys:

An excellent article...Now I know what the 'withevents' and 'raiseevent'
can be used for other than passing error messages back  from a class.

Great stuff.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi all

Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
among the numerous authors:

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
This book chapter explains what it can do for you.

/gustav



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 20 10:28:00 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:28:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
	runningononemachine? XPosted
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312467@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Stuart and John,

Since we install our applications on user systems, it hardly seems valid
to quibble about installing the Redemption dll as well.  We use
redemption and find it very effective since it bypasses the MAPI calls
that have been such a security problem and uses Extended MAPI instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
for email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. 
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you 
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email 
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:36 PM
> To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
> Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running 
> on one machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003.
>
> The OS is win XP.
>
> How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine. 
> Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Joe Hecht
>
> Los Angeles CA
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 20 10:34:08 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:34:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Infopath and One Note
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312469@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Well ... I'm not sure that answers any of our concerns.  They're hyping
InfoPath to the max and his reply doesn't really address the issues.  Do
I detect just a hint of fence straddling here?  Or is that just me being
cynical again?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Infopath and One Note


Disclaimer

This is a personal reply to me and NOT an OFFICIAL Microsoft Response

<quote>

I try to dispel the marketing hype around InfoPath for the Access
developer. I've yet to see an InfoPath scenario that couldn't be solved
quicker with Access 2003 and its new XML features.  If you are not
familiar with relational databases and tools like Access, then InfoPath
is a tool to consider if your business is starting to adopt XML as a
transport mechanism between business processes.
   If you live in a world of ODBC and OLEDB for moving data within your
organization - and it's working - why mess with a good thing. On the
other hand, if you are struggling with ways to send that data through
your firewall to your business partners/customers, XML works really
well, because text doesn't get hung up in the process. With that said,
Access is an excellent tool for exporting relational data as XML and
importing XML from other sources.


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 20 10:34:49 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:34:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Copy current record
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631246A@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>



-----Original Message-----
From: Sad Der [mailto:accessd666 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:01 AM
To: Acces User Group
Subject: [AccessD] Copy current record


Hi group,

i've got an DAO recordset in A2k called rstNM wich is
linked to table tblNewMessage

I need to copy the current record to a new table
called tblError. 

tblnewmessage and tblError are identical. 

Problem:
rstNM has 27 fields and several of them can be Null.

How can I copy the current record (wich has at least
one Null value) to this table?

TIA

Sander

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 20 10:43:10 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:43:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
Message-ID: <20031120104310.1982667250.serbach@new.rr.com>

Jack,

>> We are on our second year of Action Pack and it is worth every penny! <<

I can well believe it. What I'm interested in is if it allows a developer to distribute Runtime Access applications. Any idea on that?

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 20 10:38:00 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:38:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] First Record of Subform
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631246B@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

That's interesting because I've never seen that behavior ... Unless I
misunderstood the scenario you described.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] First Record of Subform


Sorry Charlotte...but thats not the case...I requery the subform of SF2
on 
each ONCURRENT of SF1...and whatever record has focus prior...still has 
focus after the REQUERY.

Other ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] First Record of Subform
>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:55:23 -0800
>
>Requery the subform.  That always sets the record pointer to the first 
>record.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark A Matte [mailto:markamatte at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:51 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] First Record of Subform
>
>
>Hello All,
>
>Please forgive the confusing question...but:
>
>In A97 I have a subform(SF2) that is refreshed each time a different 
>record is selected in another subform(SF1).  Both are continuous forms.

>When I
>
>click  a record in SF1...SF2 displays 5 records related to SF1 
>record...I click on record#5 in SF2....now I select a different record 
>in SF1...and SF2
>displays 8 records...but record#5 has focus.
>
>How do I refresh a subform and cause it to always go to the first 
>record?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Thu Nov 20 10:38:32 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:38:32 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE15B@TAPPEEXCH01>

OK, I give up.
What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?

And a better question:
If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?
Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed us: "The email
warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be bypassed"  Uh huh...


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
for email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. 
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you 
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email 
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>

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From Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov  Thu Nov 20 10:40:33 2003
From: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov (Stoker, Kenneth E)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:40:33 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
	one machine? XPosted
Message-ID: <249C1CB246997C48BB74963CCD361C1B014A0290@pnlmse28.pnl.gov>

I have A2000 and A2002 on my machine, which is running Win XP.

Ken Stoker
Technology Commercialization
Information Systems Administrator
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-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Hecht [mailto:jmhla at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:36 PM
To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
one machine? XPosted


I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003. 
 
The OS is win XP.
 
How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
Which versions? What are most clients still using?
 
Thanks
 

Joe Hecht

Los Angeles CA

 

 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 20 10:44:25 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:44:25 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631246D@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Not to my knowledge.  We still have individual licenses for Office
Developer on each of our machines.  It does allow you to run all the
various apps as test platforms, though.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack


Jack,

>> We are on our second year of Action Pack and it is worth every penny!

>> <<

I can well believe it. What I'm interested in is if it allows a
developer to distribute Runtime Access applications. Any idea on that?

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 20 10:50:14 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:50:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Infopath and One Note
In-Reply-To: <000901c3af43$e615e4d0$9111758f@aine>
References: <20031120080111.64718.qmail@web60204.mail.yahoo.com>
 <000901c3af43$e615e4d0$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <1032127787.20031120175014@cactus.dk>

Hi Martin

I agree with Charlotte - he makes it sound like InfoPath is a
no-product? 

And this scares me:

> .. If you are not familiar with relational databases and tools like
> Access, then InfoPath is a tool to consider if your business is starting
> to adopt XML as a transport mechanism between business processes.

I mean, if you are not familiar with relational databases, you don't
know about a relational structure and, thus, you should stay away from
even thinking of transferring data by any means including XML as you
don't have a chance to know what you are doing.

Of course, you can move around with a Word document saved as XML but
that has little to do with moving data between business processes.

/gustav

> <quote>

> I try to dispel the marketing hype around InfoPath for the Access developer.
> I've yet to see an InfoPath
> scenario that couldn't be solved quicker with Access 2003 and its new
> XML features.  If you are not familiar with relational databases and tools
> like
> Access, then InfoPath is a tool to consider if your business is starting
> to adopt XML as a transport mechanism between business processes.
>    If you live in a world of ODBC and OLEDB for moving data within your
> organization - and it's working - why mess with a good thing. On the
> other hand, if you are struggling with ways to send that data through
> your firewall to your business partners/customers, XML works really
> well, because text doesn't get hung up in the process. With that said,
> Access is an excellent tool for exporting relational data as XML and
> importing XML from other sources.


From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu Nov 20 10:52:12 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:52:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F8DF@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

There seems to be some stigma about using COM components with Access apps.  I do it all the time for a number of reasons:

1. Keeps the db size smaller by moving large code blocks into the COM object
2. Compiled code is more secure
3. Compiled code runs faster
4. The COM object is a great way to store and reuse common libraries (no files to move around, no copy/paste of code)
5. I can use functionality that may not be a part of A97 (in my case) such as providing enums to functions or use of Interfaces
6. Copying and registering an ActiveX DLL is easy and simple.
7. I can even reuse certain functionality in web apps via ASP (my DataGrabber -name changed to protect the innocent- can be used in Access, VB, ASP or any COM compliant application).

I guess if I keep going I could do a "Jim's Top Ten reasons To Use COM"!

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


OK, I give up.
What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?

And a better question:
If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?
Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed us: "The email
warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be bypassed"  Uh huh...


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
for email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



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> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you 
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email 
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 20 10:53:41 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:53:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
In-Reply-To: <20031120094744.1147728671.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKEEDOHOAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Steve,

  I've been on it a little over two years.  I have a MSDN Universal
subscription as well.  The action pack is geared towards sales people and
marketing.  It basically tells you how to sell Microsoft products.  So far,
I have not taken advantage of it, but feel if I need to explore something
new, it will be there.

  And to answer your question, no because technically your not buying the
Developers Edition and the license to distribute.  Could you?  Yes.  What
Microsoft care?  Probably not.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack


Dear Group,

No, it isn't a video game. It's a Not-For-Distribution packet containing
just about every Microsoft application under the sun. It looked to me first
like it was like an MSDN Universal subscription, except much cheaper. Has
anyone here taken advantage of this? Sorry if you've seen this before:

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/actionpack
/actionpackus.aspx


Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Thu Nov 20 10:56:35 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:56:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Page Break and SubReport
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01C75341@ccemail2.cce.local>

Charlotte,

I tried these two things and neither works (see below).  When I put it
on_open of report, I get an error.  When I put it on_format of the
detail section where the subreport and the page break are both located I
don't get an error, but it doesn't work either.  In debugging, I do find
that the value for Me!sub_payhist.Report.HasData is 0 which means that
it is seeing that there is no data on the report.  Could it be that even
when the page break item is invisible, it still functions?

--Susan

#1:
Me!PageBreak_payhistory.Visible = Me!sub_payhist.Report.HasData 

#2:
If Me!sub_payhist.Report.HasData = 0 Then
    Me!PageBreak_payhistory.Visible = False
Else: Me!PageBreak_payhistory.Visible = True
End If

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Page Break and SubReport


Put it in the main report and set the pagebreak to Visible =  the
subreport's HasData property.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 2:31 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Page Break and SubReport


I have a report that has a subreport.  In the subreport there sometimes
is data and sometimes not.  When there is data, I want a page break and
then the subreport.  When there is not data, I want no page break and no
subreport.  When I put the pagebreak in the main report, I get a page
break regardless of what's in the subreport.  When I put it in the
subreport, I still get a page break even when the subreport doesn't show
because there is no data.  I've tried a couple of code manipulations
that look to see if there is no data and if there isn't set the
subreport to invisible, but that doesn't work.  Suggestions?

--Susan


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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Nov 20 10:58:47 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:58:47 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Infopath and One Note
References: <20031120080111.64718.qmail@web60204.mail.yahoo.com>
	<000901c3af43$e615e4d0$9111758f@aine> <1032127787.20031120175014@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000b01c3af87$9041c120$9111758f@aine>

To be honest during the beta process thats the impression I got. The ACcess
XML list had about 11 posts and similar level of posts in other XML related
groups. Appeared to be no interest.

I think its a product looking for a market.

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Infopath and One Note


> Hi Martin
>
> I agree with Charlotte - he makes it sound like InfoPath is a
> no-product?
>
> And this scares me:
>
> > .. If you are not familiar with relational databases and tools like
> > Access, then InfoPath is a tool to consider if your business is starting
> > to adopt XML as a transport mechanism between business processes.
>
> I mean, if you are not familiar with relational databases, you don't
> know about a relational structure and, thus, you should stay away from
> even thinking of transferring data by any means including XML as you
> don't have a chance to know what you are doing.
>
> Of course, you can move around with a Word document saved as XML but
> that has little to do with moving data between business processes.
>
> /gustav
>
> > <quote>
>
> > I try to dispel the marketing hype around InfoPath for the Access
developer.
> > I've yet to see an InfoPath
> > scenario that couldn't be solved quicker with Access 2003 and its new
> > XML features.  If you are not familiar with relational databases and
tools
> > like
> > Access, then InfoPath is a tool to consider if your business is starting
> > to adopt XML as a transport mechanism between business processes.
> >    If you live in a world of ODBC and OLEDB for moving data within your
> > organization - and it's working - why mess with a good thing. On the
> > other hand, if you are struggling with ways to send that data through
> > your firewall to your business partners/customers, XML works really
> > well, because text doesn't get hung up in the process. With that said,
> > Access is an excellent tool for exporting relational data as XML and
> > importing XML from other sources.
>
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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov 20 11:00:38 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:00:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Infopath and One Note
References: 	<20031120080111.64718.qmail@web60204.mail.yahoo.com><000901c3af43$e615e4d0$9111758f@aine>
	<1032127787.20031120175014@cactus.dk> <000b01c3af87$9041c120$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <017401c3af87$e14cd320$210110ac@SUSANONE>

There aren't any publishers  interested in it either -- not yet at any rate.
I've seen a few books on it, but in general -- editors don't even want a
proposal on it. And the contents sites aren't biting at topics either. Could
mean that the product simply hasn't found its niche yet, but could also mean
it's a product for a certain audience, but that audience is small enough
that no one's really interested in hitting it.

Susan H.


> To be honest during the beta process thats the impression I got. The
ACcess
> XML list had about 11 posts and similar level of posts in other XML
related
> groups. Appeared to be no interest.
>
> I think its a product looking for a market.
>
> Martin
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 4:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Infopath and One Note
>
>
> > Hi Martin
> >
> > I agree with Charlotte - he makes it sound like InfoPath is a
> > no-product?
> >
> > And this scares me:
> >
> > > .. If you are not familiar with relational databases and tools like
> > > Access, then InfoPath is a tool to consider if your business is
starting
> > > to adopt XML as a transport mechanism between business processes.
> >
> > I mean, if you are not familiar with relational databases, you don't
> > know about a relational structure and, thus, you should stay away from
> > even thinking of transferring data by any means including XML as you
> > don't have a chance to know what you are doing.
> >
> > Of course, you can move around with a Word document saved as XML but
> > that has little to do with moving data between business processes.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > > <quote>
> >
> > > I try to dispel the marketing hype around InfoPath for the Access
> developer.
> > > I've yet to see an InfoPath
> > > scenario that couldn't be solved quicker with Access 2003 and its new
> > > XML features.  If you are not familiar with relational databases and
> tools
> > > like
> > > Access, then InfoPath is a tool to consider if your business is
starting
> > > to adopt XML as a transport mechanism between business processes.
> > >    If you live in a world of ODBC and OLEDB for moving data within
your
> > > organization - and it's working - why mess with a good thing. On the
> > > other hand, if you are struggling with ways to send that data through
> > > your firewall to your business partners/customers, XML works really
> > > well, because text doesn't get hung up in the process. With that said,
> > > Access is an excellent tool for exporting relational data as XML and
> > > importing XML from other sources.
> >
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Nov 20 11:07:06 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:07:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA306AF570@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB032@ADGSERVER>

Don't know about the first part, but you can use extended MAPI which is in
CDO (which is being phased) out to bypass the security thing.  That is what
Redemption is doing.

Bobby



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


OK, I give up.
What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?

And a better question:
If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?
Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed us: "The email
warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be bypassed"  Uh huh...


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP for
email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you 
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>

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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Thu Nov 20 11:16:26 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:16:26 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE15C@TAPPEEXCH01>

Bobby,
Do you have any CDO links/resources that give examples of this?
I'd like to write my own royalty/license free version of this.  Then I could
wrap it into my own class, and maybe compile it into an ActiveX DLL to use
in my projects.  (Oops!  Sorry John)


-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Don't know about the first part, but you can use extended MAPI which is in
CDO (which is being phased) out to bypass the security thing.  That is what
Redemption is doing.

Bobby



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


OK, I give up.
What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?

And a better question:
If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?
Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed us: "The email
warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be bypassed"  Uh huh...


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP for
email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you 
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 20 11:20:29 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:20:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631246E@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

I tmight be simpler to write something to use SMTP instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Bobby,
Do you have any CDO links/resources that give examples of this? I'd like
to write my own royalty/license free version of this.  Then I could wrap
it into my own class, and maybe compile it into an ActiveX DLL to use in
my projects.  (Oops!  Sorry John)


-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Don't know about the first part, but you can use extended MAPI which is
in CDO (which is being phased) out to bypass the security thing.  That
is what Redemption is doing.

Bobby



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett
Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


OK, I give up.
What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's
machine?

And a better question:
If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security
dialog? Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed
us: "The email warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be
bypassed"  Uh huh...


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
for email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. 
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email 
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't 
> install it on my dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I 
> am NOT happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 20 11:33:32 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:33:32 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
Message-ID: <20031120113332.2090885569.serbach@new.rr.com>

Charlotte,

>> Not to my knowledge. ?We still have individual licenses for Office
Developer on each of our machines. ?It does allow you to run all the
various apps as test platforms, though. <<

A closer reading of the web site gave me some additional information, too. I don't see the Developer's edition of OfficeXP included in the subscription...but $300 for the whole shebang is hard to pass up.

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 20 11:35:50 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:35:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
Message-ID: <20031120113550.1992730160.serbach@new.rr.com>

Jim,

>> I've been on it a little over two years. ?I have a MSDN Universal
subscription as well. <<

If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious. MSDN Universal includes everything. Why would you want the Action Pack?

>> And to answer your question, no because technically your not buying the Developers Edition and the license to distribute.  Could you?  Yes.  What Microsoft care?  Probably not. <<

Thanks for the interp.

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu Nov 20 11:40:15 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:40:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA306AF588@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB034@ADGSERVER>

Look around here. http://www.slipstick.com/

Lots of examples, links, and information.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Bobby,
Do you have any CDO links/resources that give examples of this? I'd like to
write my own royalty/license free version of this.  Then I could wrap it
into my own class, and maybe compile it into an ActiveX DLL to use in my
projects.  (Oops!  Sorry John)


-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Don't know about the first part, but you can use extended MAPI which is in
CDO (which is being phased) out to bypass the security thing.  That is what
Redemption is doing.

Bobby



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


OK, I give up.
What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?

And a better question:
If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?
Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed us: "The email
warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be bypassed"  Uh huh...


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP for
email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. 
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email 
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't 
> install it on my dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I 
> am NOT happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>

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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Nov 20 12:05:31 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:05:31 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] A2K / AXP: Indirect Replication
In-Reply-To: <20031120073306.1667392103.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031121070046.00b5c4a0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Steve,

I have done indirect synchronizing but not with an FTP site.  I have the 
drop boxes on the server and the users need to dial into the server.  In 
this case their drop boxes need to be shared, but they ONLY have 
permissions to view their drop box and the server's box (otherwise, if they 
have permission on the folder that the database file is in then direct 
synchronization takes place - not a good idea over a land line).

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
25 Cunliffe St, Churton Park
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205

At 20/11/2003, you wrote:
>Dear Group,
>
>So, nobody here has done Indirect Synchronization / Replication using an 
>FTP site "drop box"?
>
>Well, maybe if I get it going I can write an article for the AccessD 
>newsletter, eh?
>
>Regards,
>
>Steve Erbach
>Scientific Marketing
>Neenah, WI
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 20 12:05:40 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:05:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are
	yourunningononemachine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312467@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEEHFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Charlotte,

>Since we install our applications on user systems, it hardly seems valid to
quibble about installing the Redemption dll as well.

The problem with that argument is that I don't use runtimes.  Thus an
"install" is nothing more than running a batch file that builds a directory,
downloads my framework to the windows dir and the app to it's dir, then
starts the app.  Installing a dll means registering it (doesn't it?).  If I
could simply copy it somewhere and use it I would quiet my complaints
considerably.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are
yourunningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart and John,

Since we install our applications on user systems, it hardly seems valid
to quibble about installing the Redemption dll as well.  We use
redemption and find it very effective since it bypasses the MAPI calls
that have been such a security problem and uses Extended MAPI instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
for email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:36 PM
> To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
> Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
> on one machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003.
>
> The OS is win XP.
>
> How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
> Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Joe Hecht
>
> Los Angeles CA
>
>
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 20 12:14:07 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:14:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE15B@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEEIFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?

The big issue is I don't use an installer, nor a runtime.  Thus I have to do
"something" (unexplained) to get it installed on that machine.  What is that
"something" that is no big deal?

>If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?

I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that turns it on. (A2K)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


OK, I give up.
What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?

And a better question:
If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?
Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed us: "The email
warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be bypassed"  Uh huh...


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
for email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 20 12:11:25 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:11:25 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
References: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE15B@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <3FBD03CD.30507@shaw.ca>

One big issue , you might have to deal with, is the wild rolling of the 
eyes of network guys
when you suggest installing a dll affecting security that has not 
recieved an imperitur from the local potentate.
especially on locked down networks.

Brett Barabash wrote:

>OK, I give up.
>What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?
>
>And a better question:
>If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?
>Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed us: "The email
>warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be bypassed"  Uh huh...
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
>Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
>runningononemachine? XPosted
>
>
>Stuart,
>
>The same reason I don't use it.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
>Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
>ononemachine? XPosted
>
>
>I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
>for email currently, but don't use automation.
>
>I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/
>
>Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
>which needs to be installed on systems.
>
>Stuart
>
>
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. 
>>Colby
>>Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you 
>>running onone machine? XPosted
>>
>>
>>I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>>
>>I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email 
>>sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
>>install it on my
>>dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
>>happy to have to
>>do that!
>>
>>John W. Colby
>>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>    
>>
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Nov 20 12:19:31 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:19:31 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF6DD4@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Yes, I have them for 3 or 4 years now.

Highly advisable and much cheaper than regular licenses.
But, Only for dealers, resellers,  etx 

Not everything is included.
The ODE's, .NET, are for example not included.
It's Office, Windows OS's, SQL, Exchange server, ISA server, that kind
of stuff.
At least in the Belgian version.

Erwin

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Steven W. Erbach
Verzonden: donderdag 20 november 2003 16:48
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack

Dear Group,

No, it isn't a video game. It's a Not-For-Distribution packet containing
just about every Microsoft application under the sun. It looked to me
first like it was like an MSDN Universal subscription, except much
cheaper. Has anyone here taken advantage of this? Sorry if you've seen
this before:

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack/actionpackus.aspx


Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 20 12:20:44 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:20:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F8DF@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEEIFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Jim,

If I were a VB6 programmer I probably would have attacked this problem ages
ago.  Since I'm not I don't routinely build DLLs.  All I know is that when I
try to use VBEErrorHandler I have to open the run dialog, and paste in a
line of code that causes it to be registered.  Thinking about it in that
light, I have to assume I could run that same line of code in a batch file,
properly modified with the name of the dll to register?  Assuming that it
doesn't annoy the user with an error message the 2nd and subsequent times I
register it (the user runs the "download my app" batch file every morning)
then it would be easy enough to start using something like redemption.

In the end, inertia is the reason I don't (I've been reading Isaac Asimov's
Physics book).  If an object is at rest (Me re dlls) it takes an external
force to put it in motion.

<grin>

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


There seems to be some stigma about using COM components with Access apps.
I do it all the time for a number of reasons:

1. Keeps the db size smaller by moving large code blocks into the COM object
2. Compiled code is more secure
3. Compiled code runs faster
4. The COM object is a great way to store and reuse common libraries (no
files to move around, no copy/paste of code)
5. I can use functionality that may not be a part of A97 (in my case) such
as providing enums to functions or use of Interfaces
6. Copying and registering an ActiveX DLL is easy and simple.
7. I can even reuse certain functionality in web apps via ASP (my
DataGrabber -name changed to protect the innocent- can be used in Access,
VB, ASP or any COM compliant application).

I guess if I keep going I could do a "Jim's Top Ten reasons To Use COM"!

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


OK, I give up.
What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?

And a better question:
If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?
Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed us: "The email
warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be bypassed"  Uh huh...


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
for email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 20 12:21:24 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:21:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access
	areyourunningononemachine? XPosted
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631246F@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

Ah, I see.  We create full blown installers, so we can install and
register anything we need.  We never just copy files, since we have no
control and no way of knowing what operating system or anything else
will be on the target machine.  However, it wouldn't be hard to copy the
dll and run regsvr32 in your batch file to register it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access
areyourunningononemachine? XPosted


Charlotte,

>Since we install our applications on user systems, it hardly seems 
>valid to
quibble about installing the Redemption dll as well.

The problem with that argument is that I don't use runtimes.  Thus an
"install" is nothing more than running a batch file that builds a
directory, downloads my framework to the windows dir and the app to it's
dir, then starts the app.  Installing a dll means registering it
(doesn't it?).  If I could simply copy it somewhere and use it I would
quiet my complaints considerably.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are
yourunningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart and John,

Since we install our applications on user systems, it hardly seems valid
to quibble about installing the Redemption dll as well.  We use
redemption and find it very effective since it bypasses the MAPI calls
that have been such a security problem and uses Extended MAPI instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
for email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. 
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you 
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email 
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't 
> install it on my dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I 
> am NOT happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:36 PM
> To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
> Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running 
> on one machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003.
>
> The OS is win XP.
>
> How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine. 
> Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Joe Hecht
>
> Los Angeles CA
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov 20 12:23:30 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:23:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312470@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>

It doesn't affect security, Marty.  It uses Extended MAPI, which isn't
subject to the security problems with MAPI, so the calls don't trigger
the security flags.  MAPI is where all the security holes have been
found.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


One big issue , you might have to deal with, is the wild rolling of the 
eyes of network guys
when you suggest installing a dll affecting security that has not 
recieved an imperitur from the local potentate.
especially on locked down networks.

Brett Barabash wrote:

>OK, I give up.
>What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's 
>machine?
>
>And a better question:
>If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security 
>dialog? Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed 
>us: "The email warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be 
>bypassed"  Uh huh...
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
>Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
>runningononemachine? XPosted
>
>
>Stuart,
>
>The same reason I don't use it.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart 
>Sanders
>Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
running
>ononemachine? XPosted
>
>
>I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP

>for email currently, but don't use automation.
>
>I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/
>
>Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com 
>component which needs to be installed on systems.
>
>Stuart
>
>
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
>>Colby
>>Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you 
>>running onone machine? XPosted
>>
>>
>>I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>>
>>I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email
>>sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
>>install it on my
>>dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
>>happy to have to
>>do that!
>>
>>John W. Colby
>>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>    
>>
>
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Nov 20 12:24:06 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:24:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF7264@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

If I understand well, you are only allowed to use the soft during a
period of 1 year and then you need to renew your action pack. 

As I already responded.
I never had a ODE in my action pack. Only ting I ever had was Visual
Interdev (I believe)..
Always purchased seperately ODE and VB and .NET.

Erwin

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Charlotte Foust
Verzonden: donderdag 20 november 2003 17:44
Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack

Not to my knowledge.  We still have individual licenses for Office
Developer on each of our machines.  It does allow you to run all the
various apps as test platforms, though.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack


Jack,

>> We are on our second year of Action Pack and it is worth every penny!

>> <<

I can well believe it. What I'm interested in is if it allows a
developer to distribute Runtime Access applications. Any idea on that?

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From serbach at new.rr.com  Thu Nov 20 13:39:43 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:39:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K / AXP: Indirect Replication
Message-ID: <20031120133943.1361225605.serbach@new.rr.com>

David,

Thanks for the reply! I'm beginning to think that no one on the face of the planet has ever done FTP Indirect Synchronization. I'm trying to make sense of the TSI Synchronizer since it says that it will handle indirect synchronization.

Nothing for it but to slog through it, I guess. I'll try to keep notes.

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu Nov 20 14:32:32 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:32:32 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Infopath and One Note
References: <20031120080111.64718.qmail@web60204.mail.yahoo.com>
 <000901c3af43$e615e4d0$9111758f@aine> <1032127787.20031120175014@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <3FBD24E0.3030004@shaw.ca>

Where this is leading, I am not sure but here are some things, you can 
do with InfoPath.

---------
Here is one way of getting speed out of xml files try using with InfoPath
If the methods are followed you may get a retrieval time 10 times that 
of SQL

Creating an In-Memory Database Using XML and XPath -- Part 2
 
http://www.15seconds.com/Issue/010410.htm?voteresult=5
----------

downloaded the InfoPath SDK, and try to use the ADO sample form and 
access database that MS has provided.
However, one caveat that messed me up
If you search inside manifest.xsf you will see that the reference to 
Infnwind.mdb is relative. So the published form template expects to find 
Infnwind.mdb in the same directory as you published the form template 
to. But the Access database isn't there. If you copy it there your 
problem should be solved. Copy Infnwind.mdb to the shared folder.

InfoPath SDK

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616-93aa-4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en

---
 Try viewing the .xsn or .mht file in IE.
-------
You should be able to access web services from InfoPath.
-------


Gustav Brock wrote:

>Hi Martin
>
>I agree with Charlotte - he makes it sound like InfoPath is a
>no-product? 
>
>And this scares me:
>
>  
>
>>.. If you are not familiar with relational databases and tools like
>>Access, then InfoPath is a tool to consider if your business is starting
>>to adopt XML as a transport mechanism between business processes.
>>    
>>
>
>I mean, if you are not familiar with relational databases, you don't
>know about a relational structure and, thus, you should stay away from
>even thinking of transferring data by any means including XML as you
>don't have a chance to know what you are doing.
>
>Of course, you can move around with a Word document saved as XML but
>that has little to do with moving data between business processes.
>
>/gustav
>
>  
>
>><quote>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>I try to dispel the marketing hype around InfoPath for the Access developer.
>>I've yet to see an InfoPath
>>scenario that couldn't be solved quicker with Access 2003 and its new
>>XML features.  If you are not familiar with relational databases and tools
>>like
>>Access, then InfoPath is a tool to consider if your business is starting
>>to adopt XML as a transport mechanism between business processes.
>>   If you live in a world of ODBC and OLEDB for moving data within your
>>organization - and it's working - why mess with a good thing. On the
>>other hand, if you are struggling with ways to send that data through
>>your firewall to your business partners/customers, XML works really
>>well, because text doesn't get hung up in the process. With that said,
>>Access is an excellent tool for exporting relational data as XML and
>>importing XML from other sources.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

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Canada




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov 20 16:13:36 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:13:36 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running onone
	machine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CED6@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <3FBDC930.21849.2C2518@localhost>

On 20 Nov 2003 at 15:54, Erwin Craps wrote:

> A2.0 Oh my god...
> 
> I wonder if anyone has 2.0, 95, 97, 2K, 2K2, 2K3 on the same desktop.
> 
> No real apps where developed in 1,0 ot 1,1 so that should really not
> exists anymore...
> 

Exsqueese me. I built a "real app"  in 1.1 in 1993 :-)
My first foray into Access after quite a few years of Dataflex - what 
a mind bender :-)

 
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Thu Nov 20 16:57:38 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:57:38 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel event proc Urgent
Message-ID: <000a01c3afb9$b26cef40$6401a8c0@user>

Hi all - apologies for posting an Excel question - (I'm desperate now).

I am writing an Excel app for a client and finding my way through the events in Excel vs. Access.

I have 3 combo box controls on the worksheet. When the user changes data in any of the 3, I want to construct a code based on the 1st digit of the data in each combo.

I have spent may hours playing with the Worksheet_change event, but I now realise that that does not fire when data changes in a form control (in the combo anyway). What event can I use which will fire when the user makes a selection in the combo box?

Thanks - running out of time.

Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au

From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Thu Nov 20 17:00:54 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:00:54 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Re: OT Excel event proc Urgent
Message-ID: <001501c3afba$26f27e70$6401a8c0@user>

OK - just worked it out. (Assign macro etc.)

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kath Pelletti 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 9:57 AM
  Subject: OT Excel event proc Urgent


  Hi all - apologies for posting an Excel question - (I'm desperate now).

  I am writing an Excel app for a client and finding my way through the events in Excel vs. Access.

  I have 3 combo box controls on the worksheet. When the user changes data in any of the 3, I want to construct a code based on the 1st digit of the data in each combo.

  I have spent may hours playing with the Worksheet_change event, but I now realise that that does not fire when data changes in a form control (in the combo anyway). What event can I use which will fire when the user makes a selection in the combo box?

  Thanks - running out of time.

  Kath Pelletti
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
  sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au

From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Thu Nov 20 17:38:07 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:38:07 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control
Message-ID: <002401c3afbf$5a1f4940$6401a8c0@user>

Can anyone tell me how to refer to a form control in Excel (in this case a combo box) so that I can read its contents into a variable in vba?

Urgent.
TIA


Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au

From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 20 17:40:30 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:40:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
In-Reply-To: <20031120113550.1992730160.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEFAHOAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Steve,

<<If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious. MSDN Universal
includes everything. Why would you want the Action Pack?>>

  As I said, the Action Pack is geared towards marketing and sales.  It's a
different focus.  The only reason software is in there is to help you
explore new areas of technology.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack


Jim,

>> I've been on it a little over two years. ?I have a MSDN Universal
subscription as well. <<

If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious. MSDN Universal
includes everything. Why would you want the Action Pack?

>> And to answer your question, no because technically your not buying the
Developers Edition and the license to distribute.  Could you?  Yes.  What
Microsoft care?  Probably not. <<

Thanks for the interp.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Thu Nov 20 17:55:30 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:55:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE166@TAPPEEXCH01>

> What is that "something" that is no big deal?
Copy the DLL to the machine (by convention winnt\system32, but you can put
it anywhere you want) and regsvr32 <DLL Path>.  You can do this from a
command line, or in a batch file (in which case I would use the /s switch
with regsvr32 to supress the confirmation msgbox).  
Alternatively, you can use the setup.exe that comes with the Redemption DLL
to install it.
Either way, no big deal.

>I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that turns it on. (A2K)
Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious VBScript code from
propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your clients not to
install security patches so your email code will work?


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


>What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?

The big issue is I don't use an installer, nor a runtime.  Thus I have to do
"something" (unexplained) to get it installed on that machine.  What is that
"something" that is no big deal?

>If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?

I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that turns it on. (A2K)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


OK, I give up.
What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?

And a better question:
If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?
Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed us: "The email
warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be bypassed"  Uh huh...


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
for email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 20 18:20:10 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:20:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE166@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEFLFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

>Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious VBScript code from
propagating viruses IS a big deal.

So in other words, its quite ok to run vbscripts that trash the client,
format hard disks etc. as long as you don't propagate it?  How silly does
that sound?

>Are you advising your clients not to install security patches so your email
code will work?

Turning on SP3 doesn't prevent code (viruses) from running, it causes a
stupid box to pop up IF a mail tries to go out that is caused by code.  BIG
DIFFERENCE.  IOW, it makes NO attempt to stop viruses, it simply attempts to
protect Microsoft's ass from lawsuits when a virus sends email.  As long as
the virus doesn't send email, hey, do whatever you want.

My code is NOT a virus.  I wrote it at the request of my client.  To allow
viruses to run (vb code) but prevent my valid code from mailing out is
simply ludicrous, stupid, silly, and finally, fu*king irritating.

So no, I'm advising my client to run virus checkers to stop viruses (hmmm...
that's even what they're CALLED!), and yes, I'm advising my client not to
install a stupid, silly, ludicrous and finally, fuc*ing irritating POS
service patch that is nothing more than an attempt by Microsoft to protect
THEMSELVES at MY expense.

Uhh... did I make my position clear?

<grin>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


> What is that "something" that is no big deal?
Copy the DLL to the machine (by convention winnt\system32, but you can put
it anywhere you want) and regsvr32 <DLL Path>.  You can do this from a
command line, or in a batch file (in which case I would use the /s switch
with regsvr32 to supress the confirmation msgbox).
Alternatively, you can use the setup.exe that comes with the Redemption DLL
to install it.
Either way, no big deal.

>I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that turns it on. (A2K)
Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious VBScript code from
propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your clients not to
install security patches so your email code will work?


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


>What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?

The big issue is I don't use an installer, nor a runtime.  Thus I have to do
"something" (unexplained) to get it installed on that machine.  What is that
"something" that is no big deal?

>If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?

I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that turns it on. (A2K)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


OK, I give up.
What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?

And a better question:
If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the security dialog?
Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed us: "The email
warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be bypassed"  Uh huh...


-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
for email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov 20 18:32:00 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:32:00 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE166@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <3FBDE9A0.16070.BC492@localhost>

On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:

> 
> >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that turns it on. (A2K)
> Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious VBScript code from
> propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your clients not to
> install security patches so your email code will work?
> 
> 
I'm with JC 100% on this one.

The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting 
machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's 
not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.

It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess 
communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite 
paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which 
has the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing 
applications.  

Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
(At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email 
programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about 
it at all <VBG>)






 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 20 19:40:08 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:40:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <3FBDE9A0.16070.BC492@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEFPFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Stuart,

I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The unfortunate
reality is that there are millions of machines out there used by individuals
in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run virus checkers.
THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that they only screw
up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has no place in a
business where they should be running AV software.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:

>
> >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that turns it on. (A2K)
> Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious VBScript code
from
> propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your clients not to
> install security patches so your email code will work?
>
>
I'm with JC 100% on this one.

The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting
machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's
not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.

It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess
communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite
paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which
has the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing
applications.

Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
(At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email
programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about
it at all <VBG>)







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From jmhla at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 20 20:29:16 2003
From: jmhla at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:29:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEKHFKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000801c3afd7$47b9e360$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>

John

Put me in group 4

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:00 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] POLL: Access Security


I'd like to take a poll regarding your knowledge of Access' built-in
security. By security I do NOT mean the database properties, rather
using workgroups / users to secure forms, tables, queries etc.

Anyone interested in participating please choose one of the following:

1) I am an Access security guru.  I can quickly and easily lock a
database down so tight I can't even get back in.  No help / books
needed.
2) I am fluent with Access security.  I can get the job done but it
definitely takes a few hours.  I probably won't need the help / books.
3) I have done Access Security on at least one real paying project.  I
would need help / books to do it again.
4) I have heard about Access Security, read about it, managed to shoot a
toe off, maybe played around with it, but I am confident I could get the
job done.  Books / help definitly needed.
5) Access has built in security?  What is this and where would I go to
learn it?  Why haven't I ever seen these books / help?

If you would please just select a number and reply I would appreciate
it.

As for myself, I must admit I rate a solid 4.  No client has ever been
willing to pay for it and I have always had other things to learn / do
so I just never did it (for real).

John W. Colby
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Thu Nov 20 22:10:40 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:10:40 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE15B@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <005701c3afe5$6d8d8a70$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>




> -----Original Message-----
> OK, I give up.
> What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a
> user's machine?

I generally avoid installing extra dlls except where absolutely necessary
because of past dll problems.  Particularly with Microsofts standard controls
that some other app would install another version that broke what I was doing.
"One bitten twice shy"

In most cases I don't need other components at runtime.  (there are some
exceptions ... See below for one)

> And a better question:
> If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the
> security dialog?
> Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed
> us: "The email
> warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be bypassed"
>  Uh huh...

OK a separate question from me.  What do YOU do when a client refuses to use
Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express because of security concerns?  Redemption
isn't going to be useful for you then.  I have clients like that, so tried to
adopt an agnostic solution that could be used across the board.  Initially I
wrote a small smtp engine in vba, then ended up using a free 3rd party smtp
control.  So as a separate answer to your first question, I do use other com
controls, but sparingly.

The reason I'm now considering looking at redemption is not for email per se,
but for integration into outlook (email, contacts, meetings etc) for a medium
term project I'm working on, and redemption looks like a good place to start.
This would then force the use of outlook, which limits it a bit.  Since I do
currently use outlook, a nice bonus would be that I could hook my internal
systems into redemption for emailing statements and so on, and I plan to use the
developer version of the control for that when I have some time.

Regards

Stuart



From john at winhaven.net  Thu Nov 20 22:54:13 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:54:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEFLFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOENJFFAA.john@winhaven.net>

JC,
I'm trying to read between the lines here but I'm not quite sure of what
you're trying to say.

Are you implying that Microsoft would do something techically simple to
address a complicated problem for the sake of public image?!

Please clarify this.
JB


<big grin>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
>
>
> >Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious
> VBScript code from
> propagating viruses IS a big deal.
>
> So in other words, its quite ok to run vbscripts that trash the client,
> format hard disks etc. as long as you don't propagate it?  How silly does
> that sound?
>
> >Are you advising your clients not to install security patches so
> your email
> code will work?
>
> Turning on SP3 doesn't prevent code (viruses) from running, it causes a
> stupid box to pop up IF a mail tries to go out that is caused by
> code.  BIG
> DIFFERENCE.  IOW, it makes NO attempt to stop viruses, it simply
> attempts to
> protect Microsoft's ass from lawsuits when a virus sends email.
> As long as
> the virus doesn't send email, hey, do whatever you want.
>
> My code is NOT a virus.  I wrote it at the request of my client.  To allow
> viruses to run (vb code) but prevent my valid code from mailing out is
> simply ludicrous, stupid, silly, and finally, fu*king irritating.
>
> So no, I'm advising my client to run virus checkers to stop
> viruses (hmmm...
> that's even what they're CALLED!), and yes, I'm advising my client not to
> install a stupid, silly, ludicrous and finally, fuc*ing irritating POS
> service patch that is nothing more than an attempt by Microsoft to protect
> THEMSELVES at MY expense.
>
> Uhh... did I make my position clear?
>
> <grin>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:56 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
>
>
> > What is that "something" that is no big deal?
> Copy the DLL to the machine (by convention winnt\system32, but you can put
> it anywhere you want) and regsvr32 <DLL Path>.  You can do this from a
> command line, or in a batch file (in which case I would use the /s switch
> with regsvr32 to supress the confirmation msgbox).
> Alternatively, you can use the setup.exe that comes with the
> Redemption DLL
> to install it.
> Either way, no big deal.
>
> >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that turns it on. (A2K)
> Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious VBScript
> code from
> propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your clients not to
> install security patches so your email code will work?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:14 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
>
>
> >What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?
>
> The big issue is I don't use an installer, nor a runtime.  Thus I
> have to do
> "something" (unexplained) to get it installed on that machine.
> What is that
> "something" that is no big deal?
>
> >If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the
> security dialog?
>
> I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that turns it on. (A2K)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:39 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
>
>
> OK, I give up.
> What's the big issue with installing a COM component on a user's machine?
>
> And a better question:
> If you don't use the redemption DLL, how do you bypass the
> security dialog?
> Or do you use the line a tech consulting firm recently handed us:
> "The email
> warning dialog is for your protection.  It can't be bypassed"  Uh huh...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
> runningononemachine? XPosted
>
>
> Stuart,
>
> The same reason I don't use it.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
> ononemachine? XPosted
>
>
> I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
> for email currently, but don't use automation.
>
> I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/
>
> Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
> which needs to be installed on systems.
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
> > Colby
> > Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
> > running onone machine? XPosted
> >
> >
> > I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
> >
> > I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks
>
> > outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email
> > sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> > install it on my
> > dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> > happy to have to
> > do that!
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov 20 22:59:24 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:59:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <005701c3afe5$6d8d8a70$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>
References: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE15B@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <3FBE284C.17027.B06CF@localhost>

On 21 Nov 2003 at 12:10, Stuart Sanders wrote:

> 
> OK a separate question from me.  What do YOU do when a client refuses to use
> Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express because of security concerns? 

Personally, I say "Congratulations - that's a very sensible attitude" 
and then use Simple MAPI,  BLAT or one of my "self-rolled" solutions 
often  a *real* dll built in PowerBasic. Real dlls don't need 
registering.
 

 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Nov 20 23:07:06 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:07:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEFPFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <3FBDE9A0.16070.BC492@localhost>
Message-ID: <3FBE2A1A.16609.121514@localhost>

On 20 Nov 2003 at 20:40, John W. Colby wrote:

> Stuart,
> 
> I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The unfortunate
> reality is that there are millions of machines out there used by individuals
> in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run virus checkers.
> THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that they only screw
> up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has no place in a
> business where they should be running AV software.
> 

Which brings us on to another question, prompted recently by a 
client.

What is your option on running anti-virus software on network 
servers?
(Assuming that you do run on-access scanning software on the 
workstations)

Note: 
X-posted to <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
All follow ups to that list only. Please!


 
 
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Support.




From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Thu Nov 20 23:24:25 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:24:25 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel input range
Message-ID: <000a01c3afef$bacdcd40$6401a8c0@user>

After a long day battling my way through this Excel development I am signing off for now but in case any Excel gurus have the time, could you answer this:

On an Excel s/sheet I have 3 combos (created with the form control). I have nominated an input range for each (on a separate sheet). Depending on the choice the user makes in Combo 1 and Combo 2, I need to modify the range for Combo 3. What's the best way in Excel? I see on lots of internet samples that quite often people set up range after range of values and nominate one or the other as the appropriate range when the combos change, but surely there is a more efficient way??

I have fairly simple rules from the client and I think that I should be able to set up a grid /range of cells which hold my criteria. I can post sample data if anyone thinks they can help.

Thanks everyone - and apologies for the Excel posts (I am also posting to Excel sites but no luck yet). Have a great w/end.


Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
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From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Fri Nov 21 00:24:48 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:24:48 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <3FBDE9A0.16070.BC492@localhost>
Message-ID: <!~!AAAAACuM735XOodIiu4dYirrCuWkLYAA@pacific.net.hk>


The Outlook security patch is a half-assed reaction to what was at the time a
big press issue.  With repeated massive virus attacks crippling mail servers
world wide, they had to appear do something for public image and if it helped
lessen the problem all the better.  This was quick and dirty and since it was
done, it stuck, but at least in later office versions you could uncripple
outlook for certain things.  Why is it half assed?

1. It is indiscriminate and broke a lot of existing and widely used applications
that hooked into outlook.  Remember that Office and vba is supposed to be all
about flexibility developing solutions.  They broke that big time.

2. It isn't about fixing security vulnerabilites.  MS has had plenty of security
vulnerabilites and they fix those with minor patches, not wholesale surgery on
applications.  The patch doesn't stop you receiving viruses, or running them, or
them sending mail out simple inbuilt smtp engines which most successful trojans
have had for years.  By and large viruses/trojan in this day and age do not use
security vulnerabilities as their primary means of infection.

3. And this is the kicker for me.  If redemption bypasses security by using
extended mapi, how long will it really be before some virus/trojan writer uses
extended mapi to access the address book.  Remember the majority of viruses
these days are trojans not scripts.  They don't use security vulnerabilites to
spread and infect, they use social engineering to trick people into thinking
they are from people they know.

So should I now spend US$200 on a control that may well be crippled sometime
soon as MS uses the same half baked strategy again.  If they are going to close
access to the address book why not close it the first time, and not leave a back
door that will spawn another generation of super spreading viruses? 

It it worth trying to bypass Outlook security?  If I can bypass it with a simple
control, so any decent virus writer with half a brain can build the same into
his newest attack.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, 21 November, 2003 8:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
> 
> 
> On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:
> 
> > 
> > >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that 
> turns it on. (A2K)
> > Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious 
> VBScript code from
> > propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your 
> clients not to
> > install security patches so your email code will work?
> > 
> > 
> I'm with JC 100% on this one.
> 
> The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting 
> machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's 
> not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.
> 
> It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess 
> communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite 
> paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which 
> has the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing 
> applications.  
> 
> Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
> (At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email 
> programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about 
> it at all <VBG>)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Nov 21 01:39:18 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:39:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
References: <3FBDE9A0.16070.BC492@localhost> <3FBE2A1A.16609.121514@localhost>
Message-ID: <3FBDC126.5010004@shaw.ca>

Depends on what file extensions are scanned on a network server. I keep 
a special stick to poke network guys who insist on scanning ldb and mdb 
file types among others. Scanning a 300MB file on-access can bring 
things to a grinding halt.

Stuart McLachlan wrote:

>On 20 Nov 2003 at 20:40, John W. Colby wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Stuart,
>>
>>I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The unfortunate
>>reality is that there are millions of machines out there used by individuals
>>in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run virus checkers.
>>THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that they only screw
>>up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has no place in a
>>business where they should be running AV software.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Which brings us on to another question, prompted recently by a 
>client.
>
>What is your option on running anti-virus software on network 
>servers?
>(Assuming that you do run on-access scanning software on the 
>workstations)
>
>Note: 
>X-posted to <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>All follow ups to that list only. Please!
>
>
> 
> 
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Fri Nov 21 02:35:25 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:35:25 +0100
Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A0805BA@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

hi Kath,

is the control on an excel worksheet or are u using
a userform?

alun

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
Pelletti
Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 00:38
An: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Betreff: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


Can anyone tell me how to refer to a form control in Excel (in this case a combo box) so that I can read its contents into a variable in vba?

Urgent.
TIA


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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Fri Nov 21 02:46:24 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:46:24 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control
References: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A0805BA@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <000b01c3b00b$f23a9440$6401a8c0@user>

Hi Alan - it's just on the worksheet.
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Garraway, Alun 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:35 PM
  Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  hi Kath,

  is the control on an excel worksheet or are u using
  a userform?

  alun

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  Pelletti
  Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 00:38
  An: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Betreff: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  Can anyone tell me how to refer to a form control in Excel (in this case a combo box) so that I can read its contents into a variable in vba?

  Urgent.
  TIA


  Kath Pelletti
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
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  sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Nov 21 02:54:11 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:54:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
	ononemachine? XPosted
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEDA@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Aha,

Stuart, I hereby wish to officialy declare you as the first ever serious
developer using Access as a development platform.

(This until someone else shows up claiming this title :-)

Erwin

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted

On 20 Nov 2003 at 15:54, Erwin Craps wrote:

> A2.0 Oh my god...
> 
> I wonder if anyone has 2.0, 95, 97, 2K, 2K2, 2K3 on the same desktop.
> 
> No real apps where developed in 1,0 ot 1,1 so that should really not 
> exists anymore...
> 

Exsqueese me. I built a "real app"  in 1.1 in 1993 :-) My first foray
into Access after quite a few years of Dataflex - what a mind bender :-)

 
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Nov 21 03:04:22 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:04:22 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEDC@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Action pack is not solely to sales and marketing, but apart from the OS software it also includes demo's and sales/marketing tools.
It's ment for the typical dealer/reseller/network integrator and not for the developer.

Does the MSDN includes OS software like Exchange server, Isa Server, SQL server, Small Business server etc?

I believe MSDN is more expensive too?


Erwin 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack

Steve,

<<If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious. MSDN Universal includes everything. Why would you want the Action Pack?>>

  As I said, the Action Pack is geared towards marketing and sales.  It's a different focus.  The only reason software is in there is to help you explore new areas of technology.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack


Jim,

>> I've been on it a little over two years. ?I have a MSDN Universal
subscription as well. <<

If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious. MSDN Universal includes everything. Why would you want the Action Pack?

>> And to answer your question, no because technically your not buying 
>> the
Developers Edition and the license to distribute.  Could you?  Yes.  What Microsoft care?  Probably not. <<

Thanks for the interp.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From pedro at plex.nl  Fri Nov 21 10:05:54 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:05:54 (MET)
Subject: [AccessD] 
Message-ID: <200311210905.hAL95sEU029814@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hello group,

i want to make adress-labels for 1 single adress. In our hospital we use sheets of labels. Is there a way on a form when i have selected one user, to give the position on the report, where the adress on the label must be printed.

for example

i have a labelsheet with 6 labels. Can i make command buttons an click on the third commandbutton, so that the adress is placed on the position of label3 

"labelsheet"

 cmd1   cmd2   cmd3
 
 cmd4   cmd5   cmd6 


TIA

Pedro Janssen


From stuart at pacific.net.hk  Fri Nov 21 03:10:28 2003
From: stuart at pacific.net.hk (Stuart Sanders)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:10:28 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEDC@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <007301c3b00f$4f7791a0$5100a8c0@BITSNB02>

Erwin is correct :)

The official blurb from Microsoft on my local MS site is:

"The Microsoft Action Pack Subscription is restricted to resellers, consultants,
value-added resellers, value-added providers, system integrators, developers,
system builders, hosts, service providers, and IT professionals who sell
Microsoft products or provide solutions based on Microsoft products and
technologies to third-party customers."

See ... They do include developers there :)

But alas, as someone pointed out it doesn't come with the developers edition of
office.  That said, it is still a very good price, and I am on my 2nd year of
using it.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
> Sent: Friday, 21 November, 2003 5:04 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
>
>
> Action pack is not solely to sales and marketing, but apart
> from the OS software it also includes demo's and
> sales/marketing tools.
> It's ment for the typical dealer/reseller/network integrator
> and not for the developer.
>
> Does the MSDN includes OS software like Exchange server, Isa
> Server, SQL server, Small Business server etc?
>
> I believe MSDN is more expensive too?
>
>
> Erwin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
>
> Steve,
>
> <<If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious.
> MSDN Universal includes everything. Why would you want the
> Action Pack?>>
>
>   As I said, the Action Pack is geared towards marketing and
> sales.  It's a different focus.  The only reason software is
> in there is to help you explore new areas of technology.
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
> Erbach
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
>
>
> Jim,
>
> >> I've been on it a little over two years. ?I have a MSDN Universal
> subscription as well. <<
>
> If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious.
> MSDN Universal includes everything. Why would you want the
> Action Pack?
>
> >> And to answer your question, no because technically your
> not buying
> >> the
> Developers Edition and the license to distribute.  Could you?
>  Yes.  What Microsoft care?  Probably not. <<
>
> Thanks for the interp.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Scientific Marketing
> Neenah, WI
>
> Disclaimer: No tree was killed in the transmission of this
> message. However, several coulombs of electrons were
> temporarily inconvenienced.
>
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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Fri Nov 21 03:06:36 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:06:36 +0100
Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059DDF@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

ok

create a modul and declare a public variable.

then for the combo on change event
try this:

Private Sub cboSheet1_Change()
    
    myVar = Me.cboSheet1.Value
    
End Sub

note: cboSheet1 is the name of my combobox
and MyVar is the public variable in the modul
hth
alun


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
Pelletti
Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 09:46
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


Hi Alan - it's just on the worksheet.
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Garraway, Alun 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:35 PM
  Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  hi Kath,

  is the control on an excel worksheet or are u using
  a userform?

  alun

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  Pelletti
  Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 00:38
  An: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Betreff: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  Can anyone tell me how to refer to a form control in Excel (in this case a combo box) so that I can read its contents into a variable in vba?

  Urgent.
  TIA


  Kath Pelletti
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
  sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From pedro at plex.nl  Fri Nov 21 10:58:34 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:58:34 (MET)
Subject: [AccessD] single label;     was subject "blank"
Message-ID: <200311210958.hAL9wYEU002289@mailhostC.plex.net>

Sorry i forgot the subject



> Hello group,
> 
> i want to make adress-labels for 1 single adress. In our hospital we use sheets of labels. Is there a way on a form when i have selected one user, to give the position on the report, where the adress on the label must be printed.
> 
> for example
> 
> i have a labelsheet with 6 labels. Can i make command buttons an click on the third commandbutton, so that the adress is placed on the position of label3 
> 
> "labelsheet"
> 
>  cmd1   cmd2   cmd3
>  
>  cmd4   cmd5   cmd6 
> 
> 
> TIA
> 
> Pedro Janssen
> 
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> 

From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 21 04:13:07 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:13:07 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Infopath and One Note
In-Reply-To: <3FBD24E0.3030004@shaw.ca>
References: <20031120080111.64718.qmail@web60204.mail.yahoo.com>
 <000901c3af43$e615e4d0$9111758f@aine> <1032127787.20031120175014@cactus.dk>
 <3FBD24E0.3030004@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1027776982.20031121111307@cactus.dk>

Thanks Marty, I will study these links closer.

/gustav


> Where this is leading, I am not sure but here are some things, you can 
> do with InfoPath.

> ---------
> Here is one way of getting speed out of xml files try using with InfoPath
> If the methods are followed you may get a retrieval time 10 times that 
> of SQL

> Creating an In-Memory Database Using XML and XPath -- Part 2
 
> http://www.15seconds.com/Issue/010410.htm?voteresult=5
> ----------

> downloaded the InfoPath SDK, and try to use the ADO sample form and 
> access database that MS has provided.
> However, one caveat that messed me up
> If you search inside manifest.xsf you will see that the reference to 
> Infnwind.mdb is relative. So the published form template expects to find 
> Infnwind.mdb in the same directory as you published the form template 
> to. But the Access database isn't there. If you copy it there your 
> problem should be solved. Copy Infnwind.mdb to the shared folder.

> InfoPath SDK

> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616-93aa-4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en

> ---
>  Try viewing the .xsn or .mht file in IE.
> -------
> You should be able to access web services from InfoPath.
> -------


From Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com  Fri Nov 21 04:34:53 2003
From: Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com (Pain, T. (Tim))
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:34:53 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] 
Message-ID: <0BB2DFBAEF484F4AA077B46F1B165FE6AAD358@lbrn12.d20.intra>

Have a look at http://www.peterssoftware.com/ls.htm

Tim 


-----Original Message-----
From: pedro at plex.nl [mailto:pedro at plex.nl] 
Sent: 21 November 2003 10:06
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] 


Hello group,

i want to make adress-labels for 1 single adress. In our hospital we use
sheets of labels. Is there a way on a form when i have selected one
user, to give the position on the report, where the adress on the label
must be printed.

for example

i have a labelsheet with 6 labels. Can i make command buttons an click
on the third commandbutton, so that the adress is placed on the position
of label3 

"labelsheet"

 cmd1   cmd2   cmd3
 
 cmd4   cmd5   cmd6 


TIA

Pedro Janssen

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Nov 21 04:47:22 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:47:22 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]
Message-ID: <20031121114719.11FD925EE7E@smithers.nildram.co.uk>

A dead simple way that I use is to set up a temporary table with an
Autonumber key, set the Label report's recordsource to the temp table sorted
on the Autonumber, then when the user selects the starting position I write
the appropriate number of blank records (one less than starting pos) to the
temp table before writing the required address.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD]
Date: 21/11/03 10:41


Have a look at http://www.peterssoftware.com/ls.htm

Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: pedro at plex.nl [mailto:pedro at plex.nl]
Sent: 21 November 2003 10:06
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD]


Hello group,

i want to make adress-labels for 1 single adress. In our hospital we use
sheets of labels. Is there a way on a form when i have selected one
user, to give the position on the report, where the adress on the label
must be printed.

for example

i have a labelsheet with 6 labels. Can i make command buttons an click
on the third commandbutton, so that the adress is placed on the position
of label3

"labelsheet"

cmd1 cmd2 cmd3

cmd4 cmd5 cmd6


TIA

Pedro Janssen

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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Fri Nov 21 06:35:31 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:35:31 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control
References: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059DDF@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <000d01c3b02b$f3981ae0$6401a8c0@user>

Thanks Alan - but the combo box (I used the one from the forms toolbar) does not appear to have a name property or an on change event. You can attach a macro (and therefore an event) to it but that's it - I can't find a way to refer back to that control name in the code.

Maybe you are referring to the combo control from the Control Toolbox toolbar? I was reluctant to use that because I think I read that it would require registration on distribution??

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Garraway, Alun 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:06 PM
  Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  ok

  create a modul and declare a public variable.

  then for the combo on change event
  try this:

  Private Sub cboSheet1_Change()
      
      myVar = Me.cboSheet1.Value
      
  End Sub

  note: cboSheet1 is the name of my combobox
  and MyVar is the public variable in the modul
  hth
  alun


  -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
  Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
  Pelletti
  Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 09:46
  An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Betreff: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  Hi Alan - it's just on the worksheet.
  Kath
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Garraway, Alun 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:35 PM
    Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


    hi Kath,

    is the control on an excel worksheet or are u using
    a userform?

    alun

    -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
    Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
    Pelletti
    Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 00:38
    An: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    Betreff: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


    Can anyone tell me how to refer to a form control in Excel (in this case a combo box) so that I can read its contents into a variable in vba?

    Urgent.
    TIA


    Kath Pelletti
    Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
    Ph: 9505-6714
    Fax: 9505-6430
    sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Fri Nov 21 06:52:56 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:52:56 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] 
References: <200311210905.hAL95sEU029814@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <002101c3b02e$62ded220$6401a8c0@user>

Hi Pedro - I had a very similar situation last year. My client was using a page of labels with 2 columns, 10 labels per column.

The code below prompts the user for a label no and they enter the no. of the label they want to use, ie. 1 for 10 would print in the first column, and 11-20 print in the second column. Then by adjusting the height of the report header (section1) you can push the data down to the right place.

It's a while since I wrote this and it looks like I had to create 2 reports to cater for the second column - the second report has a left margin of 11 cms.

The code does force you to open the report in design mode to adjust the report header height, so you would have to distrubute as an mdb, not mde. But it works really well.

HTH: code below - watch the wrap.
Kath

--------------------------------------
Private Sub PrintLabel_Click()
Dim strerrormsg As String
On Error GoTo Err_Handler
Dim IntLabelNo As Integer, strMsg As String, Rptname As String
Dim IntRptheight As Integer
If Me.Dirty Then
    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord
End If
Rptname = "RptClientLabel"

'Each cm is 567 twips in measurement
    strMsg = "Enter label no (from 1 to 10 for first column, and 10 to 20 for second column):"
    IntLabelNo = InputBox(Prompt:=strMsg, _
        Title:="Client Labels", XPos:=2000, YPos:=2000)
    If IsNull(IntLabelNo) Or IntLabelNo = 0 Then
        MsgBox ("No label no selected"), vbOKOnly, "Reports"
        GoTo Normal_exit
    End If
    
    If IntLabelNo < 1 Or IntLabelNo > 20 Then
        MsgBox ("Label number can be from 1 to 20"), vbOKOnly, "Reports"
        GoTo Normal_exit
    End If
    If IntLabelNo > 10 Then
        Rptname = "RptClientLabelColumn2"
        'push data to 2nd column
        IntLabelNo = IntLabelNo - 10    '11 become position 1, 12 becomes pos 2 etc.
    End If

    If IntLabelNo = 1 Then
        IntRptheight = 800
    ElseIf IntLabelNo > 1 Then
        IntRptheight = ((IntLabelNo * 567) * 2.54) - 567
    End If
    
    Application.Echo False
    
    If Rptname = "RptClientLabelColumn2" Then
        DoCmd.OpenReport "RptClientLabelColumn2", acViewDesign
        DoCmd.SelectObject acReport, "RptClientLabelColumn2"
        Reports!RptClientLabelColumn2.Section(1).Height = IntRptheight
        DoCmd.Save acReport, "RptClientLabelColumn2"
        DoCmd.close
        Application.Echo True
        DoCmd.OpenReport "RptClientLabelColumn2", acViewPreview, [ClientID] = Me.ClientID
    Else
        DoCmd.OpenReport "RptClientLabel", acViewDesign
        DoCmd.SelectObject acReport, "RptClientLabel"
        Reports!RptClientLabel.Section(1).Height = IntRptheight
        DoCmd.Save acReport, "RptClientLabel"
        DoCmd.close
        Application.Echo True
        DoCmd.OpenReport "Rptclientlabel", acViewPreview, [ClientID] = Me.ClientID
    End If
    
    
Normal_exit:
    Application.Echo True
    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
    Exit Sub

Err_Handler:
    Select Case Err.Number
        Case 13
        Resume Normal_exit
    Case Else
        MsgBox "Error: [" & Err.Number & "]  " & IIf(Len(strerrormsg) > 0, strerrormsg, Err.Description), vbCritical, "Error Message"
        Resume Normal_exit
    End Select
End Sub
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: pedro at plex.nl 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:05 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] 


  Hello group,

  i want to make adress-labels for 1 single adress. In our hospital we use sheets of labels. Is there a way on a form when i have selected one user, to give the position on the report, where the adress on the label must be printed.

  for example

  i have a labelsheet with 6 labels. Can i make command buttons an click on the third commandbutton, so that the adress is placed on the position of label3 

  "labelsheet"

   cmd1   cmd2   cmd3
   
   cmd4   cmd5   cmd6 


  TIA

  Pedro Janssen

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Nov 21 07:28:13 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 05:28:13 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change Default Printer
Message-ID: <003101c3b033$50aa8900$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

I'm using the Print To Picture thingy to print reports to a PCX file so they can be dropped into a manual. Works pretty good.  

But one of my reports got it's default printer switched from the printer everything else goes to (a networked laser) to this 'print to picture' which is installed as a printer.

Does anyone know how to change this back so that when I hit ctrl-P in the preview mode the printer dialog box comes up with the printer I want?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri Nov 21 07:56:06 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 05:56:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change Default Printer
References: <003101c3b033$50aa8900$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <003701c3b037$35fdef30$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Never mind.  It was simple. Just change the printer and save.  Don't know
why this had me so baffled last night.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 5:28 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Change Default Printer


Dear List:

I'm using the Print To Picture thingy to print reports to a PCX file so they
can be dropped into a manual. Works pretty good.

But one of my reports got it's default printer switched from the printer
everything else goes to (a networked laser) to this 'print to picture' which
is installed as a printer.

Does anyone know how to change this back so that when I hit ctrl-P in the
preview mode the printer dialog box comes up with the printer I want?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 21 08:13:48 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:13:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Change Default Printer
Message-ID: <BAY2-F519Sp2WEnKS7v00001b0c@hotmail.com>

Because you worked too long.  You need more breaks. ;-)

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change Default Printer
>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 05:56:06 -0800
>
>Never mind.  It was simple. Just change the printer and save.  Don't know
>why this had me so baffled last night.
>
>Rocky
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 5:28 AM
>Subject: [AccessD] Change Default Printer
>
>
>Dear List:
>
>I'm using the Print To Picture thingy to print reports to a PCX file so 
>they
>can be dropped into a manual. Works pretty good.
>
>But one of my reports got it's default printer switched from the printer
>everything else goes to (a networked laser) to this 'print to picture' 
>which
>is installed as a printer.
>
>Does anyone know how to change this back so that when I hit ctrl-P in the
>preview mode the printer dialog box comes up with the printer I want?
>
>MTIA,
>
>Rocky Smolin
>Beach Access Software

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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Nov 21 09:31:39 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:31:39 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
In-Reply-To: <3FBDC126.5010004@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEEEJENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Oh, yes, there always have to have some people that overdo everything,
beside scanning .mdb how about not allowing .zip extensions in email?! Then
of course you have people who resort to changing the file extension on your
zipped files to .txt and instructing the person on other end to change it
back. That's good covenient security.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:39 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
>
>
> Depends on what file extensions are scanned on a network server. I keep
> a special stick to poke network guys who insist on scanning ldb and mdb
> file types among others. Scanning a 300MB file on-access can bring
> things to a grinding halt.
>
> Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>
> >On 20 Nov 2003 at 20:40, John W. Colby wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Stuart,
> >>
> >>I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The unfortunate
> >>reality is that there are millions of machines out there used
> by individuals
> >>in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run
> virus checkers.
> >>THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that
> they only screw
> >>up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has
> no place in a
> >>business where they should be running AV software.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Which brings us on to another question, prompted recently by a
> >client.
> >
> >What is your option on running anti-virus software on network
> >servers?
> >(Assuming that you do run on-access scanning software on the
> >workstations)
> >
> >Note:
> >X-posted to <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> >All follow ups to that list only. Please!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
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> Victoria, B.C.
> Canada
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Nov 21 09:39:49 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:39:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEDC@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEEJENAA.john@winhaven.net>

MSDN is expensive and it does include everything you've mentioned below.

I've never subscribed to the MS Action Pack but what you get with MSDN
depends on the subscription level. I do believe with Universal you recieve
everything MS churns out (other than games). I know I nearly had to hire an
"MSDN librarian" to keep it all straight!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:04 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
>
>
> Action pack is not solely to sales and marketing, but apart from
> the OS software it also includes demo's and sales/marketing tools.
> It's ment for the typical dealer/reseller/network integrator and
> not for the developer.
>
> Does the MSDN includes OS software like Exchange server, Isa
> Server, SQL server, Small Business server etc?
>
> I believe MSDN is more expensive too?
>
>
> Erwin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
>
> Steve,
>
> <<If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious. MSDN
> Universal includes everything. Why would you want the Action Pack?>>
>
>   As I said, the Action Pack is geared towards marketing and
> sales.  It's a different focus.  The only reason software is in
> there is to help you explore new areas of technology.
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
> Erbach
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
>
>
> Jim,
>
> >> I've been on it a little over two years. ?I have a MSDN Universal
> subscription as well. <<
>
> If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious. MSDN
> Universal includes everything. Why would you want the Action Pack?
>
> >> And to answer your question, no because technically your not buying
> >> the
> Developers Edition and the license to distribute.  Could you?
> Yes.  What Microsoft care?  Probably not. <<
>
> Thanks for the interp.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Scientific Marketing
> Neenah, WI
>
> Disclaimer: No tree was killed in the transmission of this
> message. However, several coulombs of electrons were temporarily
> inconvenienced.
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Nov 21 09:45:45 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:45:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 install
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99022B0978@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

List, 

I'm putting together an install for an app that will retrieve data from FoxPro, an mdb, and an Excel sheet.  Will including ADO 2.6 in my install automatically install the OLEDB drivers for all of these or do I need to include MDAC as part of the install?  Using InstallShield 4.0.

TIA,

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan
Tarrytown, NY




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From ssharkins at bellsouth.net  Fri Nov 21 09:48:47 2003
From: ssharkins at bellsouth.net (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:48:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] single label;     was subject "blank"
References: <200311210958.hAL9wYEU002289@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <005001c3b046$f90bdf50$210110ac@SUSANONE>

You want to start printing labels or just one label at a specific label on
the sheet of labels -- is that what you're asking? You say "the position on
the report" so I'm not sure if I understand the exact problem.

Susan H.

> Sorry i forgot the subject
>
>
>
> > Hello group,
> >
> > i want to make adress-labels for 1 single adress. In our hospital we use
sheets of labels. Is there a way on a form when i have selected one user, to
give the position on the report, where the adress on the label must be
printed.
> >
> > for example
> >
> > i have a labelsheet with 6 labels. Can i make command buttons an click
on the third commandbutton, so that the adress is placed on the position of
label3
> >
> > "labelsheet"
> >
> >  cmd1   cmd2   cmd3
> >
> >  cmd4   cmd5   cmd6
> >
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Pedro Janssen
> >
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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 21 10:02:25 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:02:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] IE 5.5 download
Message-ID: <Sea2-F52YHZj4IhTdHK00004e21@hotmail.com>

Thank you Thank you.  Seems 5.5 and up are the only versions that work with 
the new Alberta govt registry software.  I was real concerned about having 
to upgrade all the Win 95 boxes to Win 98 because the big drives are 1.6 
gigs and a few of the machines didin't have space for the size difference 
between 95 and 98 and I didn't want to be upgrading all the drives, even if 
40 gig dirives are only about $50.00, I didn't want to have to look into 
bios upgrades and physically dismantling the machines.  And then getting 
drivers for all the old hardware.  At least we have high speed access and 
the LAN is good.  This will be far less painful.  Thank you Thank you.

Hen


>From: MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] IE 5.5 download
>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:32:02 -0800
>
>From the help desk at U Victoria , it says Win95 works with IE5.5SP2
>They only have the download installers which no longer work
>but the help desk  directs you to another site that has the downloads
>from IE 1.0 to IE 5.5 SP2 thru IE 6.0 and there is a SDK as well
>You may need IE 4 for Win 3.11 not sure
>Bit of a large download 84 Meg
>http://browsers.evolt.org/?ie/32bit
>
>
>
>Henry Simpson wrote:
>
>>IE 5.5 is no longer available from Microsoft as a download yet I have a 
>>client in the position of it becoming a minimum system requirement to 
>>access a new government registry formerly only accessible with Netscape.  
>>Regrettably the client boxes run Win 3.11 and Win 95 and neither OS meets 
>>the IE 6 minimum of Win 98.  It seems there is a limitless supply of throw 
>>away computers and Win 95 licenses that will forever meet the client's 
>>needs and taste for Word Perfect 5.
>>
>>The Win 95 machines currently run IE 5.00.2314.1003 and I'm curious 
>>whether 5.5 can run on a 95 box and if there is any where a version can be 
>>obtained.  The registries will cease hosting the version that supports 
>>Netscape as of December 1, 2003.
>>
>>By the way, the machines are rock, ok - sandstone, solid, provided I don't 
>>run Word, WordPerfect, Netscape and IE concurrently (Netscape tends to 
>>crash when all are loaded at once) and although there are obvious memory 
>>leaks in the OS (if the primary peer server isn't rebooted every 3 days, 
>>resources go below 30% and worse after a Netscape crash, so it is rebooted 
>>every morning).  The Win 95 machines run an Access 2K FE and the Win 3 
>>machines use Access 2.  The fastest machine here runs a 233 AMD chip with 
>>64 megs.  I'm almost shocked at how well it all works.
>>
>>Hen
>>
>>
>
>--
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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Fri Nov 21 09:52:04 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:52:04 +0100
Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control
Message-ID: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A0805BB@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>

hi Kath

I've now tried both types of comboboxs, no problems with loading
data or passing value/text to variable. both have the change event.

remember in excel each sheet is like a "module" that means if you have
a combobox on sheet1 you have to go to the ide and select "Sheet1"
in the project explorer, then select the object from the objectlist,
with the combobox the change event is standard.
then you can use var = me.combobox1.value ( or .text) example i sent u.

if you want to get the value/text of the combobox from a module
then you need something like this:

Sub getit()
    Dim v As Variant
    Dim o As ComboBox
    
    Set o = ActiveWorkbook.Sheets(1).cbo2
    
    v = o.Value
    Debug.Print v
    
End Sub


hth
alun

btw regarding your other problem the only solution i know is, as you
said, to use different ranges depending on the selection.


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
Pelletti
Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 13:36
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


Thanks Alan - but the combo box (I used the one from the forms toolbar) does not appear to have a name property or an on change event. You can attach a macro (and therefore an event) to it but that's it - I can't find a way to refer back to that control name in the code.

Maybe you are referring to the combo control from the Control Toolbox toolbar? I was reluctant to use that because I think I read that it would require registration on distribution??

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Garraway, Alun 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:06 PM
  Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  ok

  create a modul and declare a public variable.

  then for the combo on change event
  try this:

  Private Sub cboSheet1_Change()
      
      myVar = Me.cboSheet1.Value
      
  End Sub

  note: cboSheet1 is the name of my combobox
  and MyVar is the public variable in the modul
  hth
  alun


  -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
  Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
  Pelletti
  Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 09:46
  An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Betreff: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  Hi Alan - it's just on the worksheet.
  Kath
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Garraway, Alun 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:35 PM
    Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


    hi Kath,

    is the control on an excel worksheet or are u using
    a userform?

    alun

    -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
    Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
    Pelletti
    Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 00:38
    An: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    Betreff: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


    Can anyone tell me how to refer to a form control in Excel (in this case a combo box) so that I can read its contents into a variable in vba?

    Urgent.
    TIA


    Kath Pelletti
    Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
    Ph: 9505-6714
    Fax: 9505-6430
    sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Nov 21 10:26:17 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:26:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 install
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F8F6@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Forget this.  It looks like IS handled MDAC and related OLEDB drivers.

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco 
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:46 AM
To: AccessD (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 install


List, 

I'm putting together an install for an app that will retrieve data from FoxPro, an mdb, and an Excel sheet.  Will including ADO 2.6 in my install automatically install the OLEDB drivers for all of these or do I need to include MDAC as part of the install?  Using InstallShield 4.0.

TIA,

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan
Tarrytown, NY




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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Nov 21 10:29:47 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:29:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312476@infoserver01.infostat.local>

This thread seems to be degenerating into Microsoft bashing and rant,
but let me clarify something.  The Redemption dll is NOT a control.  It
is a library that you call into, a wrapper for Extended MAPI calls.
Feel free to write your own ... Or to use a different email application
... Or to use SMTP instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...



The Outlook security patch is a half-assed reaction to what was at the
time a big press issue.  With repeated massive virus attacks crippling
mail servers world wide, they had to appear do something for public
image and if it helped lessen the problem all the better.  This was
quick and dirty and since it was done, it stuck, but at least in later
office versions you could uncripple outlook for certain things.  Why is
it half assed?

1. It is indiscriminate and broke a lot of existing and widely used
applications that hooked into outlook.  Remember that Office and vba is
supposed to be all about flexibility developing solutions.  They broke
that big time.

2. It isn't about fixing security vulnerabilites.  MS has had plenty of
security vulnerabilites and they fix those with minor patches, not
wholesale surgery on applications.  The patch doesn't stop you receiving
viruses, or running them, or them sending mail out simple inbuilt smtp
engines which most successful trojans have had for years.  By and large
viruses/trojan in this day and age do not use security vulnerabilities
as their primary means of infection.

3. And this is the kicker for me.  If redemption bypasses security by
using extended mapi, how long will it really be before some virus/trojan
writer uses extended mapi to access the address book.  Remember the
majority of viruses these days are trojans not scripts.  They don't use
security vulnerabilites to spread and infect, they use social
engineering to trick people into thinking they are from people they
know.

So should I now spend US$200 on a control that may well be crippled
sometime soon as MS uses the same half baked strategy again.  If they
are going to close access to the address book why not close it the first
time, and not leave a back door that will spawn another generation of
super spreading viruses? 

It it worth trying to bypass Outlook security?  If I can bypass it with
a simple control, so any decent virus writer with half a brain can build
the same into his newest attack.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, 21 November, 2003 8:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
> 
> 
> On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:
> 
> > 
> > >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that
> turns it on. (A2K)
> > Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious
> VBScript code from
> > propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your
> clients not to
> > install security patches so your email code will work?
> > 
> > 
> I'm with JC 100% on this one.
> 
> The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting
> machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's 
> not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.
> 
> It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess
> communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite 
> paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which 
> has the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing 
> applications.  
> 
> Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
> (At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email
> programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about 
> it at all <VBG>)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Nov 21 11:04:16 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:04:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 install
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99022B0978@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <3FBE4590.8050704@shaw.ca>

Some OS have a basic install of MDAC ie. WinXP has MDAC 2.7

To quote.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=8e5f816c-4918-4250-b8bd-3794582c9089&DisplayLang=en
 "The MDAC 2.6 SP2 redistributable installer installs the same Data 
Access core components as Microsoft SQL Server 2000 SP2. This release 
does not include Microsoft Jet, the Microsoft Jet OLE DB Provider, the 
Desktop Database Drivers ODBC Driver, or the Visual FoxPro ODBC Driver."

MDAC 2.6 was last one, able  to be installed on Win95.

To get these drivers I think you need MDAC 2.5 SP 3.  This MDAC comes 
with Win 2000 SP-3.

MDAC 2.5 SP-3 was last MDAC to contain total Jet 4.0 Install
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c57692e9-dde7-4a60-b586-5d4fd6794db6&DisplayLang=en
Here is manifest list for MDAC 2.5 SP3
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/support/servicepacks/MDAC/2.5/SP3manifest.asp

Just for interest sakes MDAC 2.0 was last one that installed Jet 3.0 or 
was it 3.5, but it is no longer available.
You can still install it via Access 97 or VB6.

There are some bugs with FoxPro Drivers that were fixed in Jet SP 5 or 6 
that might affect you.
So you would need Jet SP 7 or SP 8 upgrade depending on the OS

If you want to get really carried away MDAC 2.8 has just been released.
This handles a lot of security changes , you may have to modify security 
in IE if calling ado from there or
if you have a space in a database name put within brackets.

A lot of the gory details are at
http://www.microsoft.com/data

Jim DeMarco wrote:

>List, 
>
>I'm putting together an install for an app that will retrieve data from FoxPro, an mdb, and an Excel sheet.  Will including ADO 2.6 in my install automatically install the OLEDB drivers for all of these or do I need to include MDAC as part of the install?  Using InstallShield 4.0.
>
>TIA,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>Director Product Development
>Hudson Health Plan
>Tarrytown, NY
>
>
>
>
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Nov 21 11:14:55 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:14:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 install
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F8F8@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Thanks Marty.

Jim D

-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO 2.6 install


Some OS have a basic install of MDAC ie. WinXP has MDAC 2.7

To quote.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=8e5f816c-4918-4250-b8bd-3794582c9089&DisplayLang=en
 "The MDAC 2.6 SP2 redistributable installer installs the same Data 
Access core components as Microsoft SQL Server 2000 SP2. This release 
does not include Microsoft Jet, the Microsoft Jet OLE DB Provider, the 
Desktop Database Drivers ODBC Driver, or the Visual FoxPro ODBC Driver."

MDAC 2.6 was last one, able  to be installed on Win95.

To get these drivers I think you need MDAC 2.5 SP 3.  This MDAC comes 
with Win 2000 SP-3.

MDAC 2.5 SP-3 was last MDAC to contain total Jet 4.0 Install
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c57692e9-dde7-4a60-b586-5d4fd6794db6&DisplayLang=en
Here is manifest list for MDAC 2.5 SP3
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/support/servicepacks/MDAC/2.5/SP3manifest.asp

Just for interest sakes MDAC 2.0 was last one that installed Jet 3.0 or 
was it 3.5, but it is no longer available.
You can still install it via Access 97 or VB6.

There are some bugs with FoxPro Drivers that were fixed in Jet SP 5 or 6 
that might affect you.
So you would need Jet SP 7 or SP 8 upgrade depending on the OS

If you want to get really carried away MDAC 2.8 has just been released.
This handles a lot of security changes , you may have to modify security 
in IE if calling ado from there or
if you have a space in a database name put within brackets.

A lot of the gory details are at
http://www.microsoft.com/data

Jim DeMarco wrote:

>List, 
>
>I'm putting together an install for an app that will retrieve data from FoxPro, an mdb, and an Excel sheet.  Will including ADO 2.6 in my install automatically install the OLEDB drivers for all of these or do I need to include MDAC as part of the install?  Using InstallShield 4.0.
>
>TIA,
>
>Jim DeMarco
>Director Product Development
>Hudson Health Plan
>Tarrytown, NY
>
>
>
>
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From rfv at entelix.com  Fri Nov 21 11:33:13 2003
From: rfv at entelix.com (rfv at entelix.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:33:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEEJENAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <200311211733.hALHXQ624497@databaseadvisors.com>

Check out the EMPOWER program.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/

Rudolf 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Viernes, 21 de Noviembre de 2003 09:40 a.m.
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack

MSDN is expensive and it does include everything you've mentioned below.

I've never subscribed to the MS Action Pack but what you get with MSDN
depends on the subscription level. I do believe with Universal you recieve
everything MS churns out (other than games). I know I nearly had to hire an
"MSDN librarian" to keep it all straight!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:04 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
>
>
> Action pack is not solely to sales and marketing, but apart from the 
> OS software it also includes demo's and sales/marketing tools.
> It's ment for the typical dealer/reseller/network integrator and not 
> for the developer.
>
> Does the MSDN includes OS software like Exchange server, Isa Server, 
> SQL server, Small Business server etc?
>
> I believe MSDN is more expensive too?
>
>
> Erwin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
>
> Steve,
>
> <<If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious. MSDN 
> Universal includes everything. Why would you want the Action Pack?>>
>
>   As I said, the Action Pack is geared towards marketing and sales.  
> It's a different focus.  The only reason software is in there is to 
> help you explore new areas of technology.
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
> Erbach
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
>
>
> Jim,
>
> >> I've been on it a little over two years. ?I have a MSDN Universal
> subscription as well. <<
>
> If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious. MSDN 
> Universal includes everything. Why would you want the Action Pack?
>
> >> And to answer your question, no because technically your not buying 
> >> the
> Developers Edition and the license to distribute.  Could you?
> Yes.  What Microsoft care?  Probably not. <<
>
> Thanks for the interp.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Scientific Marketing
> Neenah, WI
>
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> However, several coulombs of electrons were temporarily 
> inconvenienced.
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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Fri Nov 21 11:57:51 2003
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:57:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Broken API Call in WinXP:  GetEnvironmentVariable?
Message-ID: <35110-2200311521175751944@christopherhawkins.com>

I have inherited an application that uses the GetEnvironmentVariable
API to identify a machine for purposes of authenticating that a
certain application can be accessed from that machine.  For those
unfamiliar, here's the code that makes this call:

***START***
Declare Function GetEnvironmentVariable Lib "kernel32" Alias
"GetEnvironmentVariableA" (ByVal lpName As String, ByVal lpBuffer As
String, ByVal nSize As Long) As Long


Private Function GetClientName() As String

Dim strBuffer As String
Dim iLenBuffer As Integer
Dim retval As Integer

On Error GoTo Err_GetClientName

    strBuffer = Space(255)
    iLenBuffer = 255

    retval = GetEnvironmentVariable("CLIENTNAME", strBuffer,
iLenBuffer)
    If Len(Trim(strBuffer)) <> 0 Then
    	strBuffer = Left(strBuffer, Len(Trim(strBuffer)) - 1)
    Else
        ' probably no client name
        strBuffer = ""
    End If
    
Exit_GetClientName:
    Exit Function

Err_GetClientName:
        MsgBox Err.Description, , "Error in Function
modUtil.GetClientName"
        Resume Exit_GetClientName
    Resume 0    ' .FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
End Function
***END***

This has been working like a charm on Windows98 machines.  We add the
following line to AutoExec.bat:

"SET CLIENTNAME=FOOBAR"

And the API call returns the string "FOOBAR", every time without fail.

Now my client is migrating all their machines to XP.  Unfortunately,
this same API call returns an empty string, or sometimes the string
"Console".

"OK," I think to myself. "XP doesn't really use AutoExec.bat, it uses
AutoExec.NT.  I'll set the ClientName in that file instead!  But that
does not work either.

IThe fact that XP will return the string "Console" every so often
made me think " Aha!  On XP this API call is looking in the registry,
not in a .bat file".  So I searched the registry for every place
where the string "Console" existed, and one by one replaced them with
"FOOBAR" and re-ran the code.  I still got nothing.  If it was
returning "Console" before, it returned "Console" again.  if it
returned empty string before, it returned empty string again.

Then I wet to Control Panel > System > Advanced > Environment
Variables and added a system variable named CLIENTNAME with a value
of FOOBAR.

That did not work either, and now I am out of ideas.

Is there anyone who owns the API to the degree that they can tell me
where exactly GetEnvironmentVariable is looking to get the value it
returns?  I am well and truly stumped.

-Christopher-



From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 21 12:08:11 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:08:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Broken API Call in WinXP:  GetEnvironmentVariable?
In-Reply-To: <35110-2200311521175751944@christopherhawkins.com>
References: <35110-2200311521175751944@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <8736280738.20031121190811@cactus.dk>

Hi Christopher

1. Have you tried replacing that function with

   = Environ("CLIENTNAME")

2. Your problem may be due to missing rights for the login account.
Have you tried running the app under the Administrator account?

/gustav


> I have inherited an application that uses the GetEnvironmentVariable
> API to identify a machine for purposes of authenticating that a
> certain application can be accessed from that machine.  For those
> unfamiliar, here's the code that makes this call:


From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Fri Nov 21 12:08:38 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:08:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Broken API Call in WinXP:  GetEnvironmentVariab
	le?
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB94A@nnse14.nns.com>

If it is any "console"-ation, ;) someone else has faced your situation.
Perhaps the reply to his question will provide something useful.


Q.
http://www.vbug.co.uk/vaspfaq/tsviewq.asp?ID=7755

A.
http://www.vbug.co.uk/vaspfaq/tsviewa.asp?AID=7756&QID=7755


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hawkins [mailto:clh at christopherhawkins.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:58 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Broken API Call in WinXP: GetEnvironmentVariable?


I have inherited an application that uses the GetEnvironmentVariable API to
identify a machine for purposes of authenticating that a certain application
can be accessed from that machine.  For those unfamiliar, here's the code
that makes this call:

***START***
Declare Function GetEnvironmentVariable Lib "kernel32" Alias
"GetEnvironmentVariableA" (ByVal lpName As String, ByVal lpBuffer As String,
ByVal nSize As Long) As Long


Private Function GetClientName() As String

Dim strBuffer As String
Dim iLenBuffer As Integer
Dim retval As Integer

On Error GoTo Err_GetClientName

    strBuffer = Space(255)
    iLenBuffer = 255

    retval = GetEnvironmentVariable("CLIENTNAME", strBuffer,
iLenBuffer)
    If Len(Trim(strBuffer)) <> 0 Then
    	strBuffer = Left(strBuffer, Len(Trim(strBuffer)) - 1)
    Else
        ' probably no client name
        strBuffer = ""
    End If
    
Exit_GetClientName:
    Exit Function

Err_GetClientName:
        MsgBox Err.Description, , "Error in Function modUtil.GetClientName"
        Resume Exit_GetClientName
    Resume 0    ' .FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
End Function
***END***

This has been working like a charm on Windows98 machines.  We add the
following line to AutoExec.bat:

"SET CLIENTNAME=FOOBAR"

And the API call returns the string "FOOBAR", every time without fail.

Now my client is migrating all their machines to XP.  Unfortunately, this
same API call returns an empty string, or sometimes the string "Console".

"OK," I think to myself. "XP doesn't really use AutoExec.bat, it uses
AutoExec.NT.  I'll set the ClientName in that file instead!  But that does
not work either.

IThe fact that XP will return the string "Console" every so often made me
think " Aha!  On XP this API call is looking in the registry, not in a .bat
file".  So I searched the registry for every place where the string
"Console" existed, and one by one replaced them with "FOOBAR" and re-ran the
code.  I still got nothing.  If it was returning "Console" before, it
returned "Console" again.  if it returned empty string before, it returned
empty string again.

Then I wet to Control Panel > System > Advanced > Environment Variables and
added a system variable named CLIENTNAME with a value of FOOBAR.

That did not work either, and now I am out of ideas.

Is there anyone who owns the API to the degree that they can tell me where
exactly GetEnvironmentVariable is looking to get the value it returns?  I am
well and truly stumped.

-Christopher-


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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Nov 21 12:12:18 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:12:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Broken API Call in WinXP:  GetEnvironmentVariab
	le?
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD797B@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Um... not sure about the API call for the environment variable, but Access
97 (and up, I believe) has the Environ() function, call it like this...

strEnvVar = Environ("CLIENTNAME")

Also, to confirm if your environment variable is being set, just open a DOS
box and type the command SET. It will list all the environment variables
that are set and you can see their values.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Christopher Hawkins [SMTP:clh at christopherhawkins.com]
> Sent:	Friday, November 21, 2003 12:58 PM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] OT: Broken API Call in WinXP:
> GetEnvironmentVariable?
> 
> I have inherited an application that uses the GetEnvironmentVariable
> API to identify a machine for purposes of authenticating that a
> certain application can be accessed from that machine.  For those
> unfamiliar, here's the code that makes this call:
> 
> ***START***
> Declare Function GetEnvironmentVariable Lib "kernel32" Alias
> "GetEnvironmentVariableA" (ByVal lpName As String, ByVal lpBuffer As
> String, ByVal nSize As Long) As Long
> 
> 
> Private Function GetClientName() As String
> 
> Dim strBuffer As String
> Dim iLenBuffer As Integer
> Dim retval As Integer
> 
> On Error GoTo Err_GetClientName
> 
>     strBuffer = Space(255)
>     iLenBuffer = 255
> 
>     retval = GetEnvironmentVariable("CLIENTNAME", strBuffer,
> iLenBuffer)
>     If Len(Trim(strBuffer)) <> 0 Then
>     	strBuffer = Left(strBuffer, Len(Trim(strBuffer)) - 1)
>     Else
>         ' probably no client name
>         strBuffer = ""
>     End If
>     
> Exit_GetClientName:
>     Exit Function
> 
> Err_GetClientName:
>         MsgBox Err.Description, , "Error in Function
> modUtil.GetClientName"
>         Resume Exit_GetClientName
>     Resume 0    ' .FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
> End Function
> ***END***
> 
> This has been working like a charm on Windows98 machines.  We add the
> following line to AutoExec.bat:
> 
> "SET CLIENTNAME=FOOBAR"
> 
> And the API call returns the string "FOOBAR", every time without fail.
> 
> Now my client is migrating all their machines to XP.  Unfortunately,
> this same API call returns an empty string, or sometimes the string
> "Console".
> 
> "OK," I think to myself. "XP doesn't really use AutoExec.bat, it uses
> AutoExec.NT.  I'll set the ClientName in that file instead!  But that
> does not work either.
> 
> IThe fact that XP will return the string "Console" every so often
> made me think " Aha!  On XP this API call is looking in the registry,
> not in a .bat file".  So I searched the registry for every place
> where the string "Console" existed, and one by one replaced them with
> "FOOBAR" and re-ran the code.  I still got nothing.  If it was
> returning "Console" before, it returned "Console" again.  if it
> returned empty string before, it returned empty string again.
> 
> Then I wet to Control Panel > System > Advanced > Environment
> Variables and added a system variable named CLIENTNAME with a value
> of FOOBAR.
> 
> That did not work either, and now I am out of ideas.
> 
> Is there anyone who owns the API to the degree that they can tell me
> where exactly GetEnvironmentVariable is looking to get the value it
> returns?  I am well and truly stumped.
> 
> -Christopher-
> 
> 
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From paulawright at boddienoell.com  Fri Nov 21 12:16:39 2003
From: paulawright at boddienoell.com (Paula Wright)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:16:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Re:  Problem Shutting Down Access
Message-ID: <DB08A21F71F47A4093381FFEABDB46DCC65D2E@exchange2000.boddienoell.com>

I posted a question about a week ago where I was having a problem shutting
down Access after calling a Crystal Report.  Actually what I found was
happening was that Access was shutting down and the re-opening.  In case
anyone has a problem with this in the future, here is the solution to the
problem I was having.

Crystal Reports based on Access queries creates an indirect connection.  Some
of my reports were based on tables.  Once I created queries based on the
tables and linked the reports to them, my problem was resolved.  Just a note:
I couldn't find an easy way to replace all the table names referenced in
every field on the report, so I simply changed the names of my tables and
used Rick Fisher's Find and Replace Add-In to change all references to the
tables.  Then I used the old names of the tables on the queries.

From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Nov 21 12:20:16 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:20:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <28212869.1069432457235.JavaMail.root@sniper.marix.com>
Message-ID: <000501c3b05c$1d84fb40$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Charlotte,

You said, 'Feel free to write your own."  

I've looked at the Redemption web site, and while it's not too expensive,
all I really need is to be able to send simple emails from within Access
without the 'are you sure' dialog.  Do you know where I could learn enough
about Extended MAPI to do just this?

Thanks,
Dan Waters



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


This thread seems to be degenerating into Microsoft bashing and rant, but
let me clarify something.  The Redemption dll is NOT a control.  It is a
library that you call into, a wrapper for Extended MAPI calls. Feel free to
write your own ... Or to use a different email application ... Or to use
SMTP instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...



The Outlook security patch is a half-assed reaction to what was at the time
a big press issue.  With repeated massive virus attacks crippling mail
servers world wide, they had to appear do something for public image and if
it helped lessen the problem all the better.  This was quick and dirty and
since it was done, it stuck, but at least in later office versions you could
uncripple outlook for certain things.  Why is it half assed?

1. It is indiscriminate and broke a lot of existing and widely used
applications that hooked into outlook.  Remember that Office and vba is
supposed to be all about flexibility developing solutions.  They broke that
big time.

2. It isn't about fixing security vulnerabilites.  MS has had plenty of
security vulnerabilites and they fix those with minor patches, not wholesale
surgery on applications.  The patch doesn't stop you receiving viruses, or
running them, or them sending mail out simple inbuilt smtp engines which
most successful trojans have had for years.  By and large viruses/trojan in
this day and age do not use security vulnerabilities as their primary means
of infection.

3. And this is the kicker for me.  If redemption bypasses security by using
extended mapi, how long will it really be before some virus/trojan writer
uses extended mapi to access the address book.  Remember the majority of
viruses these days are trojans not scripts.  They don't use security
vulnerabilites to spread and infect, they use social engineering to trick
people into thinking they are from people they know.

So should I now spend US$200 on a control that may well be crippled sometime
soon as MS uses the same half baked strategy again.  If they are going to
close access to the address book why not close it the first time, and not
leave a back door that will spawn another generation of super spreading
viruses? 

It it worth trying to bypass Outlook security?  If I can bypass it with a
simple control, so any decent virus writer with half a brain can build the
same into his newest attack.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, 21 November, 2003 8:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
> 
> 
> On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:
> 
> > 
> > >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that
> turns it on. (A2K)
> > Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious
> VBScript code from
> > propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your
> clients not to
> > install security patches so your email code will work?
> > 
> > 
> I'm with JC 100% on this one.
> 
> The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting 
> machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's 
> not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.
> 
> It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess 
> communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite 
> paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which has 
> the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing 
> applications.
> 
> Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
> (At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email 
> programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about 
> it at all <VBG>)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> --
> Lexacorp Ltd
> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> Information Technology Consultancy, Software
> Development,System Support.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Nov 21 12:29:15 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:29:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312478@infoserver01.infostat.local>

How are you at C or C++?  That's pretty much what you have to write
direct calls in.  Take a look at this MSKB article to get started.
Watch out for the wrap:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.
com:80/support/kb/articles/Q200/0/18.asp&NoWebContent=1

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Charlotte,

You said, 'Feel free to write your own."  

I've looked at the Redemption web site, and while it's not too
expensive, all I really need is to be able to send simple emails from
within Access without the 'are you sure' dialog.  Do you know where I
could learn enough about Extended MAPI to do just this?

Thanks,
Dan Waters



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


This thread seems to be degenerating into Microsoft bashing and rant,
but let me clarify something.  The Redemption dll is NOT a control.  It
is a library that you call into, a wrapper for Extended MAPI calls. Feel
free to write your own ... Or to use a different email application ...
Or to use SMTP instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...



The Outlook security patch is a half-assed reaction to what was at the
time a big press issue.  With repeated massive virus attacks crippling
mail servers world wide, they had to appear do something for public
image and if it helped lessen the problem all the better.  This was
quick and dirty and since it was done, it stuck, but at least in later
office versions you could uncripple outlook for certain things.  Why is
it half assed?

1. It is indiscriminate and broke a lot of existing and widely used
applications that hooked into outlook.  Remember that Office and vba is
supposed to be all about flexibility developing solutions.  They broke
that big time.

2. It isn't about fixing security vulnerabilites.  MS has had plenty of
security vulnerabilites and they fix those with minor patches, not
wholesale surgery on applications.  The patch doesn't stop you receiving
viruses, or running them, or them sending mail out simple inbuilt smtp
engines which most successful trojans have had for years.  By and large
viruses/trojan in this day and age do not use security vulnerabilities
as their primary means of infection.

3. And this is the kicker for me.  If redemption bypasses security by
using extended mapi, how long will it really be before some virus/trojan
writer uses extended mapi to access the address book.  Remember the
majority of viruses these days are trojans not scripts.  They don't use
security vulnerabilites to spread and infect, they use social
engineering to trick people into thinking they are from people they
know.

So should I now spend US$200 on a control that may well be crippled
sometime soon as MS uses the same half baked strategy again.  If they
are going to close access to the address book why not close it the first
time, and not leave a back door that will spawn another generation of
super spreading viruses? 

It it worth trying to bypass Outlook security?  If I can bypass it with
a simple control, so any decent virus writer with half a brain can build
the same into his newest attack.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, 21 November, 2003 8:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
> 
> 
> On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:
> 
> > 
> > >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that
> turns it on. (A2K)
> > Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious
> VBScript code from
> > propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your
> clients not to
> > install security patches so your email code will work?
> > 
> > 
> I'm with JC 100% on this one.
> 
> The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting
> machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's 
> not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.
> 
> It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess
> communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite 
> paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which has

> the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing 
> applications.
> 
> Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
> (At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email
> programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about 
> it at all <VBG>)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> --
> Lexacorp Ltd
> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
> Support.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Nov 21 13:50:04 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:50:04 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <16179155.1069440260187.JavaMail.root@sniper.marix.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3b068$a8c31370$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Well . . .

I have no experience with C or C++.  I'll look at the article you
referenced, but I'll probably go ahead and buy Redemption.

Thanks - That was just what I needed!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


How are you at C or C++?  That's pretty much what you have to write direct
calls in.  Take a look at this MSKB article to get started. Watch out for
the wrap:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.
com:80/support/kb/articles/Q200/0/18.asp&NoWebContent=1

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Charlotte,

You said, 'Feel free to write your own."  

I've looked at the Redemption web site, and while it's not too expensive,
all I really need is to be able to send simple emails from within Access
without the 'are you sure' dialog.  Do you know where I could learn enough
about Extended MAPI to do just this?

Thanks,
Dan Waters



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


This thread seems to be degenerating into Microsoft bashing and rant, but
let me clarify something.  The Redemption dll is NOT a control.  It is a
library that you call into, a wrapper for Extended MAPI calls. Feel free to
write your own ... Or to use a different email application ... Or to use
SMTP instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...



The Outlook security patch is a half-assed reaction to what was at the time
a big press issue.  With repeated massive virus attacks crippling mail
servers world wide, they had to appear do something for public image and if
it helped lessen the problem all the better.  This was quick and dirty and
since it was done, it stuck, but at least in later office versions you could
uncripple outlook for certain things.  Why is it half assed?

1. It is indiscriminate and broke a lot of existing and widely used
applications that hooked into outlook.  Remember that Office and vba is
supposed to be all about flexibility developing solutions.  They broke that
big time.

2. It isn't about fixing security vulnerabilites.  MS has had plenty of
security vulnerabilites and they fix those with minor patches, not wholesale
surgery on applications.  The patch doesn't stop you receiving viruses, or
running them, or them sending mail out simple inbuilt smtp engines which
most successful trojans have had for years.  By and large viruses/trojan in
this day and age do not use security vulnerabilities as their primary means
of infection.

3. And this is the kicker for me.  If redemption bypasses security by using
extended mapi, how long will it really be before some virus/trojan writer
uses extended mapi to access the address book.  Remember the majority of
viruses these days are trojans not scripts.  They don't use security
vulnerabilites to spread and infect, they use social engineering to trick
people into thinking they are from people they know.

So should I now spend US$200 on a control that may well be crippled sometime
soon as MS uses the same half baked strategy again.  If they are going to
close access to the address book why not close it the first time, and not
leave a back door that will spawn another generation of super spreading
viruses? 

It it worth trying to bypass Outlook security?  If I can bypass it with a
simple control, so any decent virus writer with half a brain can build the
same into his newest attack.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, 21 November, 2003 8:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
> 
> 
> On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:
> 
> > 
> > >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that
> turns it on. (A2K)
> > Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious
> VBScript code from
> > propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your
> clients not to
> > install security patches so your email code will work?
> > 
> > 
> I'm with JC 100% on this one.
> 
> The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting 
> machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's 
> not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.
> 
> It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess 
> communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite 
> paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which has

> the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing
> applications.
> 
> Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
> (At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email 
> programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about 
> it at all <VBG>)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> --
> Lexacorp Ltd
> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System
> Support.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 21 14:45:22 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:45:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275B9@main2.marlow.com>

Well put.  It took me a little bit to catch onto building my own classes,
and using events.  Now it is just second nature, and I am boggled at what I
did before!

The real fun I've had lately is using VBScript's 'version' of a
Class/collection.  Slightly different, but still pretty adequate.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Thank you, thank you, (takes a deep bow).  <grin>

As you can see it was actually a chapter in a book.  I had some pretty
nitpicky tech editors going at it and in the end, one of them still just
didn't understand the whole thing.  That really isn't surprising however, it
took me three passes at Shamil's stuff on his web site before I finally "got
it".  Now I look back and scratch my head wondering why - the basic stuff is
just dead simple.

I really think it's the concept of an event being radiated and ANY class can
listen if the programmer knows how to set it up that threw me.  We all come
from the idea that a control BELONGS to a form and only the form can hear
it's events, and nothing in Access ever tells us otherwise.  Then along
comes withevents which tells us that every event generated by any object can
be picked up in any class anywhere (on the same machine), whether in a form,
a different form, or just a class loaded by some piece of code somewhere.
If the listener has dimmed an instance of that KIND of object (lets say a
combo) and received a pointer to the exact object (combo) that it wants to
listen to, then it can receive control when that object's events fire.

I built a class (as mentioned in this chapter) for a real client, an
insurance company. They had a business rule that they modeled with a set of
5 check boxes.  These check boxes tied directly to 5 Boolean fields in a
table.  The check boxes were inter-related, one meant the claim was a
maternity claim, an accident, an illness, was auto related or was workers
comp.

It sounds weird I know but that's one of the ways they sorted and looked at
their claims.  So the SET of checkboxes had to be handled as an entity, they
interrelated.  An accident was NOT an illness.  A maternity claim WAS an
illness and was NOT an accident.  Auto related WAS an accident and NOT an
illness.  And then there were rules as to which of the above could be
workers comp.

In order to prevent data entry errors, I needed to do checking as they
clicked check boxes.  If they clicked auto, I checked the accident and
cleared the illness and maternity, if they clicked the maternity, I cleared
the auto and accident and set the illness.  Etc.

In order to encapsulate this whole thing into a SYSTEM that was an
integrated whole, I built a class, passed in a pointer to all five check
boxes, and sank the click event for each check box.  I then built all of the
code to do this checking as a private function inside the class.

It turns out that I needed an identical set of 5 checkboxes in three
different forms - an Initial Data Entry (IDE) form for Long Term Disability
(a set of users), another IDE for Short Term Disability (a different set of
users) and a central claim form where everybody came to maintain claims.
Because I had written a class to encapsulate the whole into a class I could
set the whole thing up with 3 lines of code in each form:

**in the form header
Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

*** in the form OnOpen

    Set ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes = New dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes
    ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes.Init fclsfrm, Me, chkWorkComp, chkAutoRelated,
chkAccident, chkSickness, chkMaternity

Having done that, the class instance handled all of the checking as check
boxes were checked / unchecked.  There were no event sinks required in the
form for the checkboxes, and if the rules need changing just go to the class
and everything required is right there.  Class module header comments can
explain why I am doing what I am doing (Documentation!!!) all in one place.

NOTICE that the class was dimensioned WithEvents!!!

Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

What this means is that the class raises it's own event to notify the form
that the boxes had changed.  THIS is a critical concept as well, RaiseEvent
means that a class can radiate an event in case anyone cares to listen.

It turned out that Long term and Short term handled things a bit differently
and some recalculations in other fields were needed in STD forms where they
aren't needed in LTD forms.  By radiating an event saying that these check
boxes had changed, I could listen for that event in the STD initial data
entry form and do the recalcs, but ignore the event in LTD IDE.

Withevents and Raiseevents are nothing magical.  They are just an extension
of what every Access developer already knows.  But once you wrap your mind
around what it can do for you, the difference in the way you attack things
can be startling (even magical).

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi Guys:

An excellent article...Now I know what the 'withevents' and 'raiseevent' can
be used for other than passing error messages back  from a class.

Great stuff.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi all

Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
among the numerous authors:

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
This book chapter explains what it can do for you.

/gustav



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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 21 14:51:09 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:51:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are yourunningono
	nemachine? XPosted
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275BA@main2.marlow.com>

I hear ya.  I'm in the same boat.  When dealing with Access, it's a rare
rare rare day when I have to create a runtime version.  99.95% of the Access
stuff i work on are .mdb's (or .mde's) that run on full blown versions of
Access.  No install necessary.  To me, that is part of the charm of Access.
No need to install anything anywhere, just copy the file.

On the other hand, I deal with VB quite a bit, and that's a different story.
With VB, you are faced with installing the VB runtimes already, so adding
other components into the install is just part of the mix.  However, what I
have found to be the best of both worlds is ASP/VB/Access.  Access (Well
Jet) as the backend. ASP as the FE, and VB in the middle as an ActiveX .dll.
The real beauty of that system is that if I think things through when I am
building it, I can make the ActiveX .dll's interactive with each other.  In
a corporate environment, it is very handy to just reference a pre-existing
.dll on the IIS server, and use it with a new application.  Loads of fun!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are
yourunningononemachine? XPosted


Charlotte,

>Since we install our applications on user systems, it hardly seems valid to
quibble about installing the Redemption dll as well.

The problem with that argument is that I don't use runtimes.  Thus an
"install" is nothing more than running a batch file that builds a directory,
downloads my framework to the windows dir and the app to it's dir, then
starts the app.  Installing a dll means registering it (doesn't it?).  If I
could simply copy it somewhere and use it I would quiet my complaints
considerably.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are
yourunningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart and John,

Since we install our applications on user systems, it hardly seems valid
to quibble about installing the Redemption dll as well.  We use
redemption and find it very effective since it bypasses the MAPI calls
that have been such a security problem and uses Extended MAPI instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 6:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
runningononemachine? XPosted


Stuart,

The same reason I don't use it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Sanders
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
ononemachine? XPosted


I have 97, 2000 (SP3) and XP (SP2) on my dev machine.  I use outlook XP
for email currently, but don't use automation.

I had considered giving this a look: http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

Which supposedly works around the security patch, but is a com component
which needs to be installed on systems.

Stuart



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W.
> Colby
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you
> running onone machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have Access97 and A2K on one machine, and AXP on another.
>
> I use Outlook automation to send email and the SP3 for Office2K breaks

> outlook automation such that it asks for permission for every email
> sent. SP3 fixed the screwup where XP breaks 2K but I simply can't
> install it on my
> dev machine.  Thus XP on one, 2K on another.  And I am NOT
> happy to have to
> do that!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Joe Hecht
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:36 PM
> To: AccessD; ACCESS-L
> Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
> on one machine? XPosted
>
>
> I have one machine and Access 97, 2000, XP and 2003.
>
> The OS is win XP.
>
> How many people have more than one version of Access on one machine.
> Which versions? What are most clients still using?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Joe Hecht
>
> Los Angeles CA
>
>
>
>
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Nov 21 14:55:13 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:55:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F8FE@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Drew,

Can I ask why you'd want to get into VBScript classes when you can just as easily compile your code in VB and reference it from your web app?

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Well put.  It took me a little bit to catch onto building my own classes,
and using events.  Now it is just second nature, and I am boggled at what I
did before!

The real fun I've had lately is using VBScript's 'version' of a
Class/collection.  Slightly different, but still pretty adequate.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Thank you, thank you, (takes a deep bow).  <grin>

As you can see it was actually a chapter in a book.  I had some pretty
nitpicky tech editors going at it and in the end, one of them still just
didn't understand the whole thing.  That really isn't surprising however, it
took me three passes at Shamil's stuff on his web site before I finally "got
it".  Now I look back and scratch my head wondering why - the basic stuff is
just dead simple.

I really think it's the concept of an event being radiated and ANY class can
listen if the programmer knows how to set it up that threw me.  We all come
from the idea that a control BELONGS to a form and only the form can hear
it's events, and nothing in Access ever tells us otherwise.  Then along
comes withevents which tells us that every event generated by any object can
be picked up in any class anywhere (on the same machine), whether in a form,
a different form, or just a class loaded by some piece of code somewhere.
If the listener has dimmed an instance of that KIND of object (lets say a
combo) and received a pointer to the exact object (combo) that it wants to
listen to, then it can receive control when that object's events fire.

I built a class (as mentioned in this chapter) for a real client, an
insurance company. They had a business rule that they modeled with a set of
5 check boxes.  These check boxes tied directly to 5 Boolean fields in a
table.  The check boxes were inter-related, one meant the claim was a
maternity claim, an accident, an illness, was auto related or was workers
comp.

It sounds weird I know but that's one of the ways they sorted and looked at
their claims.  So the SET of checkboxes had to be handled as an entity, they
interrelated.  An accident was NOT an illness.  A maternity claim WAS an
illness and was NOT an accident.  Auto related WAS an accident and NOT an
illness.  And then there were rules as to which of the above could be
workers comp.

In order to prevent data entry errors, I needed to do checking as they
clicked check boxes.  If they clicked auto, I checked the accident and
cleared the illness and maternity, if they clicked the maternity, I cleared
the auto and accident and set the illness.  Etc.

In order to encapsulate this whole thing into a SYSTEM that was an
integrated whole, I built a class, passed in a pointer to all five check
boxes, and sank the click event for each check box.  I then built all of the
code to do this checking as a private function inside the class.

It turns out that I needed an identical set of 5 checkboxes in three
different forms - an Initial Data Entry (IDE) form for Long Term Disability
(a set of users), another IDE for Short Term Disability (a different set of
users) and a central claim form where everybody came to maintain claims.
Because I had written a class to encapsulate the whole into a class I could
set the whole thing up with 3 lines of code in each form:

**in the form header
Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

*** in the form OnOpen

    Set ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes = New dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes
    ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes.Init fclsfrm, Me, chkWorkComp, chkAutoRelated,
chkAccident, chkSickness, chkMaternity

Having done that, the class instance handled all of the checking as check
boxes were checked / unchecked.  There were no event sinks required in the
form for the checkboxes, and if the rules need changing just go to the class
and everything required is right there.  Class module header comments can
explain why I am doing what I am doing (Documentation!!!) all in one place.

NOTICE that the class was dimensioned WithEvents!!!

Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

What this means is that the class raises it's own event to notify the form
that the boxes had changed.  THIS is a critical concept as well, RaiseEvent
means that a class can radiate an event in case anyone cares to listen.

It turned out that Long term and Short term handled things a bit differently
and some recalculations in other fields were needed in STD forms where they
aren't needed in LTD forms.  By radiating an event saying that these check
boxes had changed, I could listen for that event in the STD initial data
entry form and do the recalcs, but ignore the event in LTD IDE.

Withevents and Raiseevents are nothing magical.  They are just an extension
of what every Access developer already knows.  But once you wrap your mind
around what it can do for you, the difference in the way you attack things
can be startling (even magical).

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi Guys:

An excellent article...Now I know what the 'withevents' and 'raiseevent' can
be used for other than passing error messages back  from a class.

Great stuff.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi all

Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
among the numerous authors:

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
This book chapter explains what it can do for you.

/gustav



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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 21 14:58:43 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:58:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275BC@main2.marlow.com>

It's still a pointless check, especially since the last 'big' virus came
with it's own SMTP protocols, to propogate itself without using anything on
your machine (though I think it grabbed your SMTP settings).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Stuart,

I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The unfortunate
reality is that there are millions of machines out there used by individuals
in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run virus checkers.
THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that they only screw
up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has no place in a
business where they should be running AV software.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:

>
> >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that turns it on. (A2K)
> Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious VBScript code
from
> propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your clients not to
> install security patches so your email code will work?
>
>
I'm with JC 100% on this one.

The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting
machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's
not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.

It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess
communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite
paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which
has the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing
applications.

Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
(At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email
programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about
it at all <VBG>)







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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri Nov 21 15:01:11 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:01:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AccessXP native controls question
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA306AF570@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB040@ADGSERVER>

Hi all,

Was wanting to update the look of our Acc97 app in AccXP.  What controls
come with Office XP that do not natively show up in AccXP?  By that I mean
are there listviews, treeviews, etc that I can access from the other tools
button?

Our client wants only controls that come with office so that we won't run
into issues of another control not getting installed properly.

TIA,
Bobby


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 21 15:03:17 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:03:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275BD@main2.marlow.com>

We use Trend Micro's Server Protect on our file servers.  Can barely tell
it's running.  Only issue I have ever had with it was that it did it's job
TOO well. (Grin)  There was a discussion on OT about viruses, and I had a
copy of the ILOVEYOU virus on Floppy.  Since I run 2000 Server, our normal
office scanner (Trend's OfficeScan) won't run on my machine, so I'm part of
the ServerProtect Cluster.  I put the disk in, and when to open it in
notepad, to paste the contents (safe, had removed the scripting tags) into
an email, and blip, the file disappeared off of the floppy.  Took me a
second to realize that by opening it, ServerProtect was triggered to read
it, saw it was a virus, and deleted it (actually, it archived it.....)
hehehehe Had to shut down serverprotect to do what I needed to do!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]


Depends on what file extensions are scanned on a network server. I keep 
a special stick to poke network guys who insist on scanning ldb and mdb 
file types among others. Scanning a 300MB file on-access can bring 
things to a grinding halt.

Stuart McLachlan wrote:

>On 20 Nov 2003 at 20:40, John W. Colby wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Stuart,
>>
>>I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The unfortunate
>>reality is that there are millions of machines out there used by
individuals
>>in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run virus
checkers.
>>THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that they only
screw
>>up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has no place in
a
>>business where they should be running AV software.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Which brings us on to another question, prompted recently by a 
>client.
>
>What is your option on running anti-virus software on network 
>servers?
>(Assuming that you do run on-access scanning software on the 
>workstations)
>
>Note: 
>X-posted to <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>All follow ups to that list only. Please!
>
>
> 
> 
>  
>

-- 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 21 15:05:45 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:05:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Change Default Printer
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275BE@main2.marlow.com>

'Print To Picture thingy'.  Is that a technical term, or just an industry
standard out in Arnold's World? <grin> (Sorry, it's Friday, I couldn't
resist!).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:28 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Change Default Printer


Dear List:

I'm using the Print To Picture thingy to print reports to a PCX file so they
can be dropped into a manual. Works pretty good.  

But one of my reports got it's default printer switched from the printer
everything else goes to (a networked laser) to this 'print to picture' which
is installed as a printer.

Does anyone know how to change this back so that when I hit ctrl-P in the
preview mode the printer dialog box comes up with the printer I want?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 21 15:09:53 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:09:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275BF@main2.marlow.com>

persists.com They have a component called ASPEmail.  You can use it with VBA
too.  Just give it the SMTP server, and you are off and running.  It has
both a free and 'pro' versions.  The free is pretty decent, does all of the
basic email functions.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Charlotte,

You said, 'Feel free to write your own."  

I've looked at the Redemption web site, and while it's not too expensive,
all I really need is to be able to send simple emails from within Access
without the 'are you sure' dialog.  Do you know where I could learn enough
about Extended MAPI to do just this?

Thanks,
Dan Waters



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


This thread seems to be degenerating into Microsoft bashing and rant, but
let me clarify something.  The Redemption dll is NOT a control.  It is a
library that you call into, a wrapper for Extended MAPI calls. Feel free to
write your own ... Or to use a different email application ... Or to use
SMTP instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...



The Outlook security patch is a half-assed reaction to what was at the time
a big press issue.  With repeated massive virus attacks crippling mail
servers world wide, they had to appear do something for public image and if
it helped lessen the problem all the better.  This was quick and dirty and
since it was done, it stuck, but at least in later office versions you could
uncripple outlook for certain things.  Why is it half assed?

1. It is indiscriminate and broke a lot of existing and widely used
applications that hooked into outlook.  Remember that Office and vba is
supposed to be all about flexibility developing solutions.  They broke that
big time.

2. It isn't about fixing security vulnerabilites.  MS has had plenty of
security vulnerabilites and they fix those with minor patches, not wholesale
surgery on applications.  The patch doesn't stop you receiving viruses, or
running them, or them sending mail out simple inbuilt smtp engines which
most successful trojans have had for years.  By and large viruses/trojan in
this day and age do not use security vulnerabilities as their primary means
of infection.

3. And this is the kicker for me.  If redemption bypasses security by using
extended mapi, how long will it really be before some virus/trojan writer
uses extended mapi to access the address book.  Remember the majority of
viruses these days are trojans not scripts.  They don't use security
vulnerabilites to spread and infect, they use social engineering to trick
people into thinking they are from people they know.

So should I now spend US$200 on a control that may well be crippled sometime
soon as MS uses the same half baked strategy again.  If they are going to
close access to the address book why not close it the first time, and not
leave a back door that will spawn another generation of super spreading
viruses? 

It it worth trying to bypass Outlook security?  If I can bypass it with a
simple control, so any decent virus writer with half a brain can build the
same into his newest attack.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, 21 November, 2003 8:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
> 
> 
> On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:
> 
> > 
> > >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that
> turns it on. (A2K)
> > Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious
> VBScript code from
> > propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your
> clients not to
> > install security patches so your email code will work?
> > 
> > 
> I'm with JC 100% on this one.
> 
> The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting 
> machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's 
> not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.
> 
> It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess 
> communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite 
> paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which has 
> the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing 
> applications.
> 
> Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
> (At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email 
> programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about 
> it at all <VBG>)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> --
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> Development,System Support.
> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 21 15:13:52 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:13:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275C0@main2.marlow.com>

Good question.  Because I do exactly that 99% of the time.  But every once
in a while, I get hit with an ASP job running on a non-IIS server (or an IIS
server that I don't have sufficient access to register ActiveX .dll's).
Case in point, my latest project is just that.  I think the hosting company
is running Red Hat, with ASP support.  So I can write ASP, but I can't use
custom VB .dll's.  I was building sort of a 'cross-tab' query, of sorts
(price matrix....from row, column, and data tables), and was left with the
choice of either running back and forth through a couple recordset objects,
or just building a few classes, put them in Dictionary objects (which is a
collection), and 'keying' them with the references I need to pull them up
when I need them.

Worked great.

Granted, would MUCH rather deal with VB, but in this particular case (and a
few others I've run into), I get to stretch the limits of ASP itself! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Drew,

Can I ask why you'd want to get into VBScript classes when you can just as
easily compile your code in VB and reference it from your web app?

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Well put.  It took me a little bit to catch onto building my own classes,
and using events.  Now it is just second nature, and I am boggled at what I
did before!

The real fun I've had lately is using VBScript's 'version' of a
Class/collection.  Slightly different, but still pretty adequate.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Thank you, thank you, (takes a deep bow).  <grin>

As you can see it was actually a chapter in a book.  I had some pretty
nitpicky tech editors going at it and in the end, one of them still just
didn't understand the whole thing.  That really isn't surprising however, it
took me three passes at Shamil's stuff on his web site before I finally "got
it".  Now I look back and scratch my head wondering why - the basic stuff is
just dead simple.

I really think it's the concept of an event being radiated and ANY class can
listen if the programmer knows how to set it up that threw me.  We all come
from the idea that a control BELONGS to a form and only the form can hear
it's events, and nothing in Access ever tells us otherwise.  Then along
comes withevents which tells us that every event generated by any object can
be picked up in any class anywhere (on the same machine), whether in a form,
a different form, or just a class loaded by some piece of code somewhere.
If the listener has dimmed an instance of that KIND of object (lets say a
combo) and received a pointer to the exact object (combo) that it wants to
listen to, then it can receive control when that object's events fire.

I built a class (as mentioned in this chapter) for a real client, an
insurance company. They had a business rule that they modeled with a set of
5 check boxes.  These check boxes tied directly to 5 Boolean fields in a
table.  The check boxes were inter-related, one meant the claim was a
maternity claim, an accident, an illness, was auto related or was workers
comp.

It sounds weird I know but that's one of the ways they sorted and looked at
their claims.  So the SET of checkboxes had to be handled as an entity, they
interrelated.  An accident was NOT an illness.  A maternity claim WAS an
illness and was NOT an accident.  Auto related WAS an accident and NOT an
illness.  And then there were rules as to which of the above could be
workers comp.

In order to prevent data entry errors, I needed to do checking as they
clicked check boxes.  If they clicked auto, I checked the accident and
cleared the illness and maternity, if they clicked the maternity, I cleared
the auto and accident and set the illness.  Etc.

In order to encapsulate this whole thing into a SYSTEM that was an
integrated whole, I built a class, passed in a pointer to all five check
boxes, and sank the click event for each check box.  I then built all of the
code to do this checking as a private function inside the class.

It turns out that I needed an identical set of 5 checkboxes in three
different forms - an Initial Data Entry (IDE) form for Long Term Disability
(a set of users), another IDE for Short Term Disability (a different set of
users) and a central claim form where everybody came to maintain claims.
Because I had written a class to encapsulate the whole into a class I could
set the whole thing up with 3 lines of code in each form:

**in the form header
Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

*** in the form OnOpen

    Set ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes = New dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes
    ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes.Init fclsfrm, Me, chkWorkComp, chkAutoRelated,
chkAccident, chkSickness, chkMaternity

Having done that, the class instance handled all of the checking as check
boxes were checked / unchecked.  There were no event sinks required in the
form for the checkboxes, and if the rules need changing just go to the class
and everything required is right there.  Class module header comments can
explain why I am doing what I am doing (Documentation!!!) all in one place.

NOTICE that the class was dimensioned WithEvents!!!

Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

What this means is that the class raises it's own event to notify the form
that the boxes had changed.  THIS is a critical concept as well, RaiseEvent
means that a class can radiate an event in case anyone cares to listen.

It turned out that Long term and Short term handled things a bit differently
and some recalculations in other fields were needed in STD forms where they
aren't needed in LTD forms.  By radiating an event saying that these check
boxes had changed, I could listen for that event in the STD initial data
entry form and do the recalcs, but ignore the event in LTD IDE.

Withevents and Raiseevents are nothing magical.  They are just an extension
of what every Access developer already knows.  But once you wrap your mind
around what it can do for you, the difference in the way you attack things
can be startling (even magical).

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi Guys:

An excellent article...Now I know what the 'withevents' and 'raiseevent' can
be used for other than passing error messages back  from a class.

Great stuff.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi all

Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
among the numerous authors:

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
This book chapter explains what it can do for you.

/gustav



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From pedro at plex.nl  Fri Nov 21 14:53:43 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:53:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] single label;     was subject "blank"
References: <200311210958.hAL9wYEU002289@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <000001c3b07a$f5a38960$f4c581d5@pedro>

Hello,


Thanks to all who responded.
All Solutions were handy, but i found the peterssoftware the most handy.

Pedro Janssen





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To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] single label; was subject "blank"


> Sorry i forgot the subject
>
>
>
> > Hello group,
> >
> > i want to make adress-labels for 1 single adress. In our hospital we use
sheets of labels. Is there a way on a form when i have selected one user, to
give the position on the report, where the adress on the label must be
printed.
> >
> > for example
> >
> > i have a labelsheet with 6 labels. Can i make command buttons an click
on the third commandbutton, so that the adress is placed on the position of
label3
> >
> > "labelsheet"
> >
> >  cmd1   cmd2   cmd3
> >
> >  cmd4   cmd5   cmd6
> >
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Pedro Janssen
> >
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri Nov 21 16:09:41 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:09:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F8FF@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Makes sense thanks.  I just found out about VBS classes a short while ago in a pretty good ASP book by O'Reilly Press "Designing Active Server Pages" by Scott Mitchell (I think he's the 4gusfromfolla.com guy).

Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Good question.  Because I do exactly that 99% of the time.  But every once
in a while, I get hit with an ASP job running on a non-IIS server (or an IIS
server that I don't have sufficient access to register ActiveX .dll's).
Case in point, my latest project is just that.  I think the hosting company
is running Red Hat, with ASP support.  So I can write ASP, but I can't use
custom VB .dll's.  I was building sort of a 'cross-tab' query, of sorts
(price matrix....from row, column, and data tables), and was left with the
choice of either running back and forth through a couple recordset objects,
or just building a few classes, put them in Dictionary objects (which is a
collection), and 'keying' them with the references I need to pull them up
when I need them.

Worked great.

Granted, would MUCH rather deal with VB, but in this particular case (and a
few others I've run into), I get to stretch the limits of ASP itself! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Drew,

Can I ask why you'd want to get into VBScript classes when you can just as
easily compile your code in VB and reference it from your web app?

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Well put.  It took me a little bit to catch onto building my own classes,
and using events.  Now it is just second nature, and I am boggled at what I
did before!

The real fun I've had lately is using VBScript's 'version' of a
Class/collection.  Slightly different, but still pretty adequate.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Thank you, thank you, (takes a deep bow).  <grin>

As you can see it was actually a chapter in a book.  I had some pretty
nitpicky tech editors going at it and in the end, one of them still just
didn't understand the whole thing.  That really isn't surprising however, it
took me three passes at Shamil's stuff on his web site before I finally "got
it".  Now I look back and scratch my head wondering why - the basic stuff is
just dead simple.

I really think it's the concept of an event being radiated and ANY class can
listen if the programmer knows how to set it up that threw me.  We all come
from the idea that a control BELONGS to a form and only the form can hear
it's events, and nothing in Access ever tells us otherwise.  Then along
comes withevents which tells us that every event generated by any object can
be picked up in any class anywhere (on the same machine), whether in a form,
a different form, or just a class loaded by some piece of code somewhere.
If the listener has dimmed an instance of that KIND of object (lets say a
combo) and received a pointer to the exact object (combo) that it wants to
listen to, then it can receive control when that object's events fire.

I built a class (as mentioned in this chapter) for a real client, an
insurance company. They had a business rule that they modeled with a set of
5 check boxes.  These check boxes tied directly to 5 Boolean fields in a
table.  The check boxes were inter-related, one meant the claim was a
maternity claim, an accident, an illness, was auto related or was workers
comp.

It sounds weird I know but that's one of the ways they sorted and looked at
their claims.  So the SET of checkboxes had to be handled as an entity, they
interrelated.  An accident was NOT an illness.  A maternity claim WAS an
illness and was NOT an accident.  Auto related WAS an accident and NOT an
illness.  And then there were rules as to which of the above could be
workers comp.

In order to prevent data entry errors, I needed to do checking as they
clicked check boxes.  If they clicked auto, I checked the accident and
cleared the illness and maternity, if they clicked the maternity, I cleared
the auto and accident and set the illness.  Etc.

In order to encapsulate this whole thing into a SYSTEM that was an
integrated whole, I built a class, passed in a pointer to all five check
boxes, and sank the click event for each check box.  I then built all of the
code to do this checking as a private function inside the class.

It turns out that I needed an identical set of 5 checkboxes in three
different forms - an Initial Data Entry (IDE) form for Long Term Disability
(a set of users), another IDE for Short Term Disability (a different set of
users) and a central claim form where everybody came to maintain claims.
Because I had written a class to encapsulate the whole into a class I could
set the whole thing up with 3 lines of code in each form:

**in the form header
Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

*** in the form OnOpen

    Set ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes = New dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes
    ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes.Init fclsfrm, Me, chkWorkComp, chkAutoRelated,
chkAccident, chkSickness, chkMaternity

Having done that, the class instance handled all of the checking as check
boxes were checked / unchecked.  There were no event sinks required in the
form for the checkboxes, and if the rules need changing just go to the class
and everything required is right there.  Class module header comments can
explain why I am doing what I am doing (Documentation!!!) all in one place.

NOTICE that the class was dimensioned WithEvents!!!

Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

What this means is that the class raises it's own event to notify the form
that the boxes had changed.  THIS is a critical concept as well, RaiseEvent
means that a class can radiate an event in case anyone cares to listen.

It turned out that Long term and Short term handled things a bit differently
and some recalculations in other fields were needed in STD forms where they
aren't needed in LTD forms.  By radiating an event saying that these check
boxes had changed, I could listen for that event in the STD initial data
entry form and do the recalcs, but ignore the event in LTD IDE.

Withevents and Raiseevents are nothing magical.  They are just an extension
of what every Access developer already knows.  But once you wrap your mind
around what it can do for you, the difference in the way you attack things
can be startling (even magical).

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi Guys:

An excellent article...Now I know what the 'withevents' and 'raiseevent' can
be used for other than passing error messages back  from a class.

Great stuff.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi all

Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
among the numerous authors:

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
This book chapter explains what it can do for you.

/gustav



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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Nov 21 16:13:27 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:13:27 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <17774621.1069449271819.JavaMail.root@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <000001c3b07c$b08782d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Thanks Drew!

I'll take a look . . .

Dan

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


persists.com They have a component called ASPEmail.  You can use it with VBA
too.  Just give it the SMTP server, and you are off and running.  It has
both a free and 'pro' versions.  The free is pretty decent, does all of the
basic email functions.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Charlotte,

You said, 'Feel free to write your own."  

I've looked at the Redemption web site, and while it's not too expensive,
all I really need is to be able to send simple emails from within Access
without the 'are you sure' dialog.  Do you know where I could learn enough
about Extended MAPI to do just this?

Thanks,
Dan Waters



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


This thread seems to be degenerating into Microsoft bashing and rant, but
let me clarify something.  The Redemption dll is NOT a control.  It is a
library that you call into, a wrapper for Extended MAPI calls. Feel free to
write your own ... Or to use a different email application ... Or to use
SMTP instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...



The Outlook security patch is a half-assed reaction to what was at the time
a big press issue.  With repeated massive virus attacks crippling mail
servers world wide, they had to appear do something for public image and if
it helped lessen the problem all the better.  This was quick and dirty and
since it was done, it stuck, but at least in later office versions you could
uncripple outlook for certain things.  Why is it half assed?

1. It is indiscriminate and broke a lot of existing and widely used
applications that hooked into outlook.  Remember that Office and vba is
supposed to be all about flexibility developing solutions.  They broke that
big time.

2. It isn't about fixing security vulnerabilites.  MS has had plenty of
security vulnerabilites and they fix those with minor patches, not wholesale
surgery on applications.  The patch doesn't stop you receiving viruses, or
running them, or them sending mail out simple inbuilt smtp engines which
most successful trojans have had for years.  By and large viruses/trojan in
this day and age do not use security vulnerabilities as their primary means
of infection.

3. And this is the kicker for me.  If redemption bypasses security by using
extended mapi, how long will it really be before some virus/trojan writer
uses extended mapi to access the address book.  Remember the majority of
viruses these days are trojans not scripts.  They don't use security
vulnerabilites to spread and infect, they use social engineering to trick
people into thinking they are from people they know.

So should I now spend US$200 on a control that may well be crippled sometime
soon as MS uses the same half baked strategy again.  If they are going to
close access to the address book why not close it the first time, and not
leave a back door that will spawn another generation of super spreading
viruses? 

It it worth trying to bypass Outlook security?  If I can bypass it with a
simple control, so any decent virus writer with half a brain can build the
same into his newest attack.

Stuart

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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, 21 November, 2003 8:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
> 
> 
> On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:
> 
> > 
> > >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that
> turns it on. (A2K)
> > Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious
> VBScript code from
> > propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your
> clients not to
> > install security patches so your email code will work?
> > 
> > 
> I'm with JC 100% on this one.
> 
> The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting
> machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's 
> not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.
> 
> It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess
> communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite 
> paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which has 
> the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing 
> applications.
> 
> Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
> (At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email
> programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about 
> it at all <VBG>)
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Fri Nov 21 17:03:35 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:03:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel input range
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873063952D8@corp-es00>

If you send me a sample I will take a look at it on Monday.
regards,
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:24 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel input range


After a long day battling my way through this Excel development I am signing
off for now but in case any Excel gurus have the time, could you answer
this:

On an Excel s/sheet I have 3 combos (created with the form control). I have
nominated an input range for each (on a separate sheet). Depending on the
choice the user makes in Combo 1 and Combo 2, I need to modify the range for
Combo 3. What's the best way in Excel? I see on lots of internet samples
that quite often people set up range after range of values and nominate one
or the other as the appropriate range when the combos change, but surely
there is a more efficient way??

I have fairly simple rules from the client and I think that I should be able
to set up a grid /range of cells which hold my criteria. I can post sample
data if anyone thinks they can help.

Thanks everyone - and apologies for the Excel posts (I am also posting to
Excel sites but no luck yet). Have a great w/end.


Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Nov 21 17:29:50 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 09:29:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312478@infoserver01.infostat.local>
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On 21 Nov 2003 at 10:29, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> How are you at C or C++?  That's pretty much what you have to write
> direct calls in.  

Horsepuckey :-)

I may have mentioned PowerBasic before on this list :-)
 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 21 17:40:00 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:40:00 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275C8@main2.marlow.com>

Ya, I heard about them close to a year ago.  I had built a sitemap .asp
page, that uses Front Pages navigation file.  My initial project used VB, to
put all of the 'nodes' into a collection.  Worked like a charm, but a lot of
people wanted to use it on Red Hat Linux systems, so VB was out.  I
recreated it in strictly ASP, but I used arrays.  (Also created a php
version...my first and only php project).  I was asked why I didn't use
classes in ASP, and was taken back by that.  I soon discovered that what the
MSDN had on VB script (at least my version) was a little out of date, so I
downloaded the latest VbScript help files, and learned all about the new
commands available.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Makes sense thanks.  I just found out about VBS classes a short while ago in
a pretty good ASP book by O'Reilly Press "Designing Active Server Pages" by
Scott Mitchell (I think he's the 4gusfromfolla.com guy).

Jim D.

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Good question.  Because I do exactly that 99% of the time.  But every once
in a while, I get hit with an ASP job running on a non-IIS server (or an IIS
server that I don't have sufficient access to register ActiveX .dll's).
Case in point, my latest project is just that.  I think the hosting company
is running Red Hat, with ASP support.  So I can write ASP, but I can't use
custom VB .dll's.  I was building sort of a 'cross-tab' query, of sorts
(price matrix....from row, column, and data tables), and was left with the
choice of either running back and forth through a couple recordset objects,
or just building a few classes, put them in Dictionary objects (which is a
collection), and 'keying' them with the references I need to pull them up
when I need them.

Worked great.

Granted, would MUCH rather deal with VB, but in this particular case (and a
few others I've run into), I get to stretch the limits of ASP itself! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Drew,

Can I ask why you'd want to get into VBScript classes when you can just as
easily compile your code in VB and reference it from your web app?

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Well put.  It took me a little bit to catch onto building my own classes,
and using events.  Now it is just second nature, and I am boggled at what I
did before!

The real fun I've had lately is using VBScript's 'version' of a
Class/collection.  Slightly different, but still pretty adequate.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Thank you, thank you, (takes a deep bow).  <grin>

As you can see it was actually a chapter in a book.  I had some pretty
nitpicky tech editors going at it and in the end, one of them still just
didn't understand the whole thing.  That really isn't surprising however, it
took me three passes at Shamil's stuff on his web site before I finally "got
it".  Now I look back and scratch my head wondering why - the basic stuff is
just dead simple.

I really think it's the concept of an event being radiated and ANY class can
listen if the programmer knows how to set it up that threw me.  We all come
from the idea that a control BELONGS to a form and only the form can hear
it's events, and nothing in Access ever tells us otherwise.  Then along
comes withevents which tells us that every event generated by any object can
be picked up in any class anywhere (on the same machine), whether in a form,
a different form, or just a class loaded by some piece of code somewhere.
If the listener has dimmed an instance of that KIND of object (lets say a
combo) and received a pointer to the exact object (combo) that it wants to
listen to, then it can receive control when that object's events fire.

I built a class (as mentioned in this chapter) for a real client, an
insurance company. They had a business rule that they modeled with a set of
5 check boxes.  These check boxes tied directly to 5 Boolean fields in a
table.  The check boxes were inter-related, one meant the claim was a
maternity claim, an accident, an illness, was auto related or was workers
comp.

It sounds weird I know but that's one of the ways they sorted and looked at
their claims.  So the SET of checkboxes had to be handled as an entity, they
interrelated.  An accident was NOT an illness.  A maternity claim WAS an
illness and was NOT an accident.  Auto related WAS an accident and NOT an
illness.  And then there were rules as to which of the above could be
workers comp.

In order to prevent data entry errors, I needed to do checking as they
clicked check boxes.  If they clicked auto, I checked the accident and
cleared the illness and maternity, if they clicked the maternity, I cleared
the auto and accident and set the illness.  Etc.

In order to encapsulate this whole thing into a SYSTEM that was an
integrated whole, I built a class, passed in a pointer to all five check
boxes, and sank the click event for each check box.  I then built all of the
code to do this checking as a private function inside the class.

It turns out that I needed an identical set of 5 checkboxes in three
different forms - an Initial Data Entry (IDE) form for Long Term Disability
(a set of users), another IDE for Short Term Disability (a different set of
users) and a central claim form where everybody came to maintain claims.
Because I had written a class to encapsulate the whole into a class I could
set the whole thing up with 3 lines of code in each form:

**in the form header
Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

*** in the form OnOpen

    Set ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes = New dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes
    ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes.Init fclsfrm, Me, chkWorkComp, chkAutoRelated,
chkAccident, chkSickness, chkMaternity

Having done that, the class instance handled all of the checking as check
boxes were checked / unchecked.  There were no event sinks required in the
form for the checkboxes, and if the rules need changing just go to the class
and everything required is right there.  Class module header comments can
explain why I am doing what I am doing (Documentation!!!) all in one place.

NOTICE that the class was dimensioned WithEvents!!!

Public WithEvents ldclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes As dclsValClaimTypeChkBoxes

What this means is that the class raises it's own event to notify the form
that the boxes had changed.  THIS is a critical concept as well, RaiseEvent
means that a class can radiate an event in case anyone cares to listen.

It turned out that Long term and Short term handled things a bit differently
and some recalculations in other fields were needed in STD forms where they
aren't needed in LTD forms.  By radiating an event saying that these check
boxes had changed, I could listen for that event in the STD initial data
entry form and do the recalcs, but ignore the event in LTD IDE.

Withevents and Raiseevents are nothing magical.  They are just an extension
of what every Access developer already knows.  But once you wrap your mind
around what it can do for you, the difference in the way you attack things
can be startling (even magical).

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi Guys:

An excellent article...Now I know what the 'withevents' and 'raiseevent' can
be used for other than passing error messages back  from a class.

Great stuff.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Primer on WithEvents and RaiseEvent


Hi all

Just noted this book chapter counting several well known listmembers
among the numerous authors:

  http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13276

Beginning Access 2002 VBA: WithEvents and RaiseEvent

One of the best-kept secrets in Microsoft Access, WithEvents lets you
handle an object's events inside classes other than the form classes.
This book chapter explains what it can do for you.

/gustav



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Nov 21 18:03:08 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:03:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312479@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I'm just repeating what Microsoft said about it.  If you can do it in
PowerBasic go right ahead.  You can certainly build dlls in VB too, but
apparently, not for Extended MAPI wrappers.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] 
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


On 21 Nov 2003 at 10:29, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> How are you at C or C++?  That's pretty much what you have to write 
> direct calls in.

Horsepuckey :-)

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From jmhla at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 21 19:10:23 2003
From: jmhla at earthlink.net (Joe Hecht)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:10:23 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
In-Reply-To: <20031120094744.1147728671.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000101c3b095$68d6a920$fda8a8c0@delllaptop>

The action pack is office and many servers.

What to order depends on your nee

Joe Hecht
Los Angeles CA



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack


Dear Group,

No, it isn't a video game. It's a Not-For-Distribution packet containing
just about every Microsoft application under the sun. It looked to me
first like it was like an MSDN Universal subscription, except much
cheaper. Has anyone here taken advantage of this? Sorry if you've seen
this before:

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/action
pack/actionpackus.aspx


Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 21 19:34:18 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:34:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEDC@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKKEHKHOAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Erwin,

<<It's ment for the typical dealer/reseller/network integrator and not for
the developer.>>

  In other words, sales and marketing<g>

<<Does the MSDN includes OS software like Exchange server, Isa Server, SQL
server, Small Business server etc?>>

  Yes, depending on subscription level

<<I believe MSDN is more expensive too?>>

  Quite a bit.  Retail on a Universal sub is just under $3000, but can be
found from resellers for $1200 or so.  The top level Action Pack is $300 or
$400.  Don't remember which.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack


Action pack is not solely to sales and marketing, but apart from the OS
software it also includes demo's and sales/marketing tools.
It's ment for the typical dealer/reseller/network integrator and not for the
developer.

Does the MSDN includes OS software like Exchange server, Isa Server, SQL
server, Small Business server etc?

I believe MSDN is more expensive too?


Erwin

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Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack

Steve,

<<If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious. MSDN Universal
includes everything. Why would you want the Action Pack?>>

  As I said, the Action Pack is geared towards marketing and sales.  It's a
different focus.  The only reason software is in there is to help you
explore new areas of technology.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
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Erbach
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Slightly OT: Microsoft ActionPack


Jim,

>> I've been on it a little over two years. ?I have a MSDN Universal
subscription as well. <<

If you don't mind my saying so, I find that a bit curious. MSDN Universal
includes everything. Why would you want the Action Pack?

>> And to answer your question, no because technically your not buying
>> the
Developers Edition and the license to distribute.  Could you?  Yes.  What
Microsoft care?  Probably not. <<

Thanks for the interp.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From caa at highway.com.br  Fri Nov 21 20:26:11 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 00:26:11 -0200
Subject: [AccessD] Poll: How many versions of Access are you running on
	one machine? XPosted
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEBGFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEBGFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <opry0o1xogeuy8y3@localhost>

Just Access 2000...
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Nov 22 06:53:30 2003
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 07:53:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD]  Poll: How many versions of Access are you running
 on	one machine? X Posted
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275AF@main2.marlow.com>
	<BAY8-DAV41FgX4VMWf700006095@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3FBF5C4A.1050502@torchlake.com>

I have 4 machines -
WIN3.1 has A2
WIN95 has A95
WIN98 has A97 and A2K
WINXP has AXP

Most of my stuff was A97, A2K, and AXP.  Migration from A97 --> A2K --> 
AXP is commonly happening.
I did precious little in A2, and virtually nothing in A95 - I'm just not 
very good at throwing things away (I might need it SOMETIME)

Tina



Greg Smith wrote:

>I have Access97 ODE and Access XP (used to have Access97 ODE, 2000 and XP,
>but new computer and 2000 was toast).
>
>Most of my clients are still using Access 97.  Hinting at changing to XP,
>but now 2003 is out so they'll probably wait until I clear their apps
>through it.  Sigh.  This is never going to end.
>
>Greg Smith
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From mmaddison at optusnet.com.au  Sat Nov 22 08:11:08 2003
From: mmaddison at optusnet.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 01:11:08 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEEEJENAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <JIELLFDJKMAGJJMDIMIIEEENAFAB.mmaddison@optusnet.com.au>

I have a client who did the disallow zip thing, they are over it now :-)
The av software they were using at the time would also strip the contents of
zip files, then it started disallowing zip files all together.  I started
changing
the extension, it would work once then fail.  I started working my way
through
the alphabet .aaa .aab etc etc  LOL
This only lasted a couple of weeks, as no one in their company ended up
being
able to send attachments.

cheers

Michael M


Oh, yes, there always have to have some people that overdo everything,
beside scanning .mdb how about not allowing .zip extensions in email?! Then
of course you have people who resort to changing the file extension on your
zipped files to .txt and instructing the person on other end to change it
back. That's good covenient security.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:39 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
>
>
> Depends on what file extensions are scanned on a network server. I keep
> a special stick to poke network guys who insist on scanning ldb and mdb
> file types among others. Scanning a 300MB file on-access can bring
> things to a grinding halt.
>
> Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>
> >On 20 Nov 2003 at 20:40, John W. Colby wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Stuart,
> >>
> >>I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The unfortunate
> >>reality is that there are millions of machines out there used
> by individuals
> >>in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run
> virus checkers.
> >>THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that
> they only screw
> >>up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has
> no place in a
> >>business where they should be running AV software.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Which brings us on to another question, prompted recently by a
> >client.
> >
> >What is your option on running anti-virus software on network
> >servers?
> >(Assuming that you do run on-access scanning software on the
> >workstations)
> >
> >Note:
> >X-posted to <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> >All follow ups to that list only. Please!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
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> Canada
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sat Nov 22 08:23:19 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 06:23:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
References: <JIELLFDJKMAGJJMDIMIIEEENAFAB.mmaddison@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <001901c3b104$2e132ce0$650a6351@martin1>

Thats just how we do it in work. PITA but gets us past the email people.

Martin


> Oh, yes, there always have to have some people that overdo everything,
> beside scanning .mdb how about not allowing .zip extensions in email?!
Then
> of course you have people who resort to changing the file extension on
your
> zipped files to .txt and instructing the person on other end to change it
> back. That's good covenient security.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
> > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:39 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> >
> >
> > Depends on what file extensions are scanned on a network server. I keep
> > a special stick to poke network guys who insist on scanning ldb and mdb
> > file types among others. Scanning a 300MB file on-access can bring
> > things to a grinding halt.
> >
> > Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> >
> > >On 20 Nov 2003 at 20:40, John W. Colby wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Stuart,
> > >>
> > >>I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The unfortunate
> > >>reality is that there are millions of machines out there used
> > by individuals
> > >>in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run
> > virus checkers.
> > >>THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that
> > they only screw
> > >>up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has
> > no place in a
> > >>business where they should be running AV software.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >Which brings us on to another question, prompted recently by a
> > >client.
> > >
> > >What is your option on running anti-virus software on network
> > >servers?
> > >(Assuming that you do run on-access scanning software on the
> > >workstations)
> > >
> > >Note:
> > >X-posted to <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >All follow ups to that list only. Please!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Marty Connelly
> > Victoria, B.C.
> > Canada
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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From john at winhaven.net  Sat Nov 22 10:02:36 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:02:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
In-Reply-To: <001901c3b104$2e132ce0$650a6351@martin1>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEPIFFAA.john@winhaven.net>

That's a shame.

I would think that security and productivity should have at least equal
priority in the work place :o)

For true security to ever happen the email security people are going to have
to start identifying what's in a zip file rather than the fact that its a
zip file. Most AV scanners can already scan zip contents so I would think
that if a message came through with a zip attachment that the zip
attachment's contents could be scanned for problems rather than just
assuming that its a problem because its a zip. Even if they pulled the email
aside and processed it out of stream rather than doing it directly and
clogging up the system it would be preferable to just deleting it!

Hey Drew can Trend Micro's system do that?

Of course if they scan the zip - then .mdbs can't be considered dangerous
either. FMS has a free virus scanner for .mdbs I wonder if its worthwhile?
If one could write a script to scan .mdbs with FMS AV scanner it could
eliminating the whole annoying process of not allowing .mdb attachments. (Of
course I always zip my mdbs because they usually compress about 80% so I'm
back to the first argument...   now I'm just babbling...
:o)

What say we get some big company to put a bounty out on the heads of virus
writers?
;o)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
>
>
> Thats just how we do it in work. PITA but gets us past the email people.
>
> Martin
>
>
> > Oh, yes, there always have to have some people that overdo everything,
> > beside scanning .mdb how about not allowing .zip extensions in email?!
> Then
> > of course you have people who resort to changing the file extension on
> your
> > zipped files to .txt and instructing the person on other end to
> change it
> > back. That's good covenient security.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> MartyConnelly
> > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:39 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> > >
> > >
> > > Depends on what file extensions are scanned on a network
> server. I keep
> > > a special stick to poke network guys who insist on scanning
> ldb and mdb
> > > file types among others. Scanning a 300MB file on-access can bring
> > > things to a grinding halt.
> > >
> > > Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > >
> > > >On 20 Nov 2003 at 20:40, John W. Colby wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Stuart,
> > > >>
> > > >>I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The
> unfortunate
> > > >>reality is that there are millions of machines out there used
> > > by individuals
> > > >>in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run
> > > virus checkers.
> > > >>THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that
> > > they only screw
> > > >>up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has
> > > no place in a
> > > >>business where they should be running AV software.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Which brings us on to another question, prompted recently by a
> > > >client.
> > > >
> > > >What is your option on running anti-virus software on network
> > > >servers?
> > > >(Assuming that you do run on-access scanning software on the
> > > >workstations)
> > > >
> > > >Note:
> > > >X-posted to <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >All follow ups to that list only. Please!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Marty Connelly
> > > Victoria, B.C.
> > > Canada
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Nov 22 11:03:20 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 09:03:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
Message-ID: <007c01c3b11a$87f19b50$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Cross posting from dba-tech.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "dba-tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:34 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Color Laser


Hello:

I'm writing a manual now into which I've dropped a lot of screen shots.
They look much better in color than in black and white.  I think that having
Kinko's do these on their color laser might be cost prohibitive.  The manual
will be about 150+ pages when done and of course, not all of the pages will
require color, although they'll have to charge the color cost for every
page.

So now I'm thinking about a color laser printer.  Ink jet would be far too
slow if I have to make these manuals in the quantity I'm praying will be
necessary.

Does anyone have any experience or advice on color laser printers?

TIA,

Rocky
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 22 12:57:07 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:57:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Link child / master field fails in subsubform
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEMAFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I have a db where the subform pulls the correct records using ling child /
master field properties, but the subsub form fails to follow the subform,
i.e. it pulls a set associated with the parent form but not associated with
the first subform.

Agency / contract / assignment.  As I move through agency records I see the
contract change.  I also see the assignment change, but as I move through
the contracts the assignments don't change.

I have seen this before, and worked around it by just replacing the link
properties with query filters in the subform.

Has anyone seen a bug fix for this?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com



From serbach at new.rr.com  Sat Nov 22 16:51:43 2003
From: serbach at new.rr.com (Steven W. Erbach)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:51:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
Message-ID: <20031122165143.1349102459.serbach@new.rr.com>

Rocky,

>> Does anyone have any experience or advice on color laser printers? <<

I googled a few printer review web sites. Good reviews for the HP 4600 and the Xerox/Tektronix Phaser 6250. These are mid-level priced color lasers.

I have a long history with HP printers, but that Xerox looks awfully good.

http://www.printershowcase.com/printer_reviews_xerox6250.asp

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

Disclaimer: No tree was killed in the transmission of this message. However, several coulombs of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced.


From davesharpe2 at cox.net  Sat Nov 22 17:11:55 2003
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net (Dave Sharpe)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:11:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
References: <007c01c3b11a$87f19b50$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <004601c3b14e$05c33330$dd2f0a44@bcsext6137>

Rocky

I don't know the qtys involved or the kinko options; but a couple of
general thoughts.

Many ( all? or most? ) printing packages have page number options
- ex
1,5,10-12,25,35  print color
2-4,6-9,13-24,26-34,36-150 print b&w
( if they can't or will not, make two files and polulate them with Your
existing pages; to end up with one color doc and one b&w doc.

Is copying color less expensive that printing? If yes print once then
copy to complete the order.

Dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 12:03 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser


Cross posting from dba-tech.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: "dba-tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:34 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Color Laser


Hello:

I'm writing a manual now into which I've dropped a lot of screen shots.
They look much better in color than in black and white.  I think that having
Kinko's do these on their color laser might be cost prohibitive.  The manual
will be about 150+ pages when done and of course, not all of the pages will
require color, although they'll have to charge the color cost for every
page.

So now I'm thinking about a color laser printer.  Ink jet would be far too
slow if I have to make these manuals in the quantity I'm praying will be
necessary.

Does anyone have any experience or advice on color laser printers?

TIA,

Rocky
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Nov 22 18:59:18 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:59:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
References: <20031122165143.1349102459.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <00fe01c3b15d$05ebf310$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

$2000 bucks, whew.  Could get a lot of manuals at Kinko's for that.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven W. Erbach" <serbach at new.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser


> Rocky,
>
> >> Does anyone have any experience or advice on color laser printers? <<
>
> I googled a few printer review web sites. Good reviews for the HP 4600 and
the Xerox/Tektronix Phaser 6250. These are mid-level priced color lasers.
>
> I have a long history with HP printers, but that Xerox looks awfully good.
>
> http://www.printershowcase.com/printer_reviews_xerox6250.asp
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Scientific Marketing
> Neenah, WI
>
> Disclaimer: No tree was killed in the transmission of this message.
However, several coulombs of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced.
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sat Nov 22 19:24:06 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:24:06 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275CD@main2.marlow.com>

Yes, ScanMail will scan the files within a zip file.  You can even set how
deep you want it to scan (for zips within zips).  I think we are set to 5
levels.  We have never blocked .zip files, and I certainly don't plan on
starting.  We do block any extension that can be run off the bat, such as
.exe, .com, .bat, etc.  Those are blocked simply as a buffer, since brand
new viruses aren't caught until Trend updates their patterns (which they do
pretty fast).  Once a virus is in the pattern though, it will strip it out
of zip files.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]


That's a shame.

I would think that security and productivity should have at least equal
priority in the work place :o)

For true security to ever happen the email security people are going to have
to start identifying what's in a zip file rather than the fact that its a
zip file. Most AV scanners can already scan zip contents so I would think
that if a message came through with a zip attachment that the zip
attachment's contents could be scanned for problems rather than just
assuming that its a problem because its a zip. Even if they pulled the email
aside and processed it out of stream rather than doing it directly and
clogging up the system it would be preferable to just deleting it!

Hey Drew can Trend Micro's system do that?

Of course if they scan the zip - then .mdbs can't be considered dangerous
either. FMS has a free virus scanner for .mdbs I wonder if its worthwhile?
If one could write a script to scan .mdbs with FMS AV scanner it could
eliminating the whole annoying process of not allowing .mdb attachments. (Of
course I always zip my mdbs because they usually compress about 80% so I'm
back to the first argument...   now I'm just babbling...
:o)

What say we get some big company to put a bounty out on the heads of virus
writers?
;o)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
>
>
> Thats just how we do it in work. PITA but gets us past the email people.
>
> Martin
>
>
> > Oh, yes, there always have to have some people that overdo everything,
> > beside scanning .mdb how about not allowing .zip extensions in email?!
> Then
> > of course you have people who resort to changing the file extension on
> your
> > zipped files to .txt and instructing the person on other end to
> change it
> > back. That's good covenient security.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> MartyConnelly
> > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:39 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> > >
> > >
> > > Depends on what file extensions are scanned on a network
> server. I keep
> > > a special stick to poke network guys who insist on scanning
> ldb and mdb
> > > file types among others. Scanning a 300MB file on-access can bring
> > > things to a grinding halt.
> > >
> > > Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > >
> > > >On 20 Nov 2003 at 20:40, John W. Colby wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Stuart,
> > > >>
> > > >>I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The
> unfortunate
> > > >>reality is that there are millions of machines out there used
> > > by individuals
> > > >>in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run
> > > virus checkers.
> > > >>THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that
> > > they only screw
> > > >>up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has
> > > no place in a
> > > >>business where they should be running AV software.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Which brings us on to another question, prompted recently by a
> > > >client.
> > > >
> > > >What is your option on running anti-virus software on network
> > > >servers?
> > > >(Assuming that you do run on-access scanning software on the
> > > >workstations)
> > > >
> > > >Note:
> > > >X-posted to <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > >All follow ups to that list only. Please!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Marty Connelly
> > > Victoria, B.C.
> > > Canada
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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From jmoss111 at bellsouth.net  Sat Nov 22 20:04:41 2003
From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net (jmoss111)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:04:41 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
References: <007c01c3b11a$87f19b50$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <004f01c3b166$281e70d0$64a39a44@hive>

Rocky,

I did a little investigation a few years ago, and the cost of consumables
for I think 5% coverage was something like $0.66 per page. Add to that the
price of a printer and it makes Kinko's look much more attractive. Then you
have to add the cost of assembling, binding and shipping the manual which
makes it a pretty expensive proposition. Most manuals that I have seen still
use monochrome screen shots.

Why not just include the manual in .pdf format and let the customer decide
whether they get color or monochrome manuals, if they decide to print them
at all.

Jim
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:03 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser


> Cross posting from dba-tech.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: "dba-tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:34 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Color Laser
>
>
> Hello:
>
> I'm writing a manual now into which I've dropped a lot of screen shots.
> They look much better in color than in black and white.  I think that
having
> Kinko's do these on their color laser might be cost prohibitive.  The
manual
> will be about 150+ pages when done and of course, not all of the pages
will
> require color, although they'll have to charge the color cost for every
> page.
>
> So now I'm thinking about a color laser printer.  Ink jet would be far too
> slow if I have to make these manuals in the quantity I'm praying will be
> necessary.
>
> Does anyone have any experience or advice on color laser printers?
>
> TIA,
>
> Rocky
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Sat Nov 22 20:27:28 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:27:28 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
In-Reply-To: <20031122165143.1349102459.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEFEENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Phaser printers rock!

If you have the bucks.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
> Erbach
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 4:52 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
>
>
> Rocky,
>
> >> Does anyone have any experience or advice on color laser printers? <<
>
> I googled a few printer review web sites. Good reviews for the HP
> 4600 and the Xerox/Tektronix Phaser 6250. These are mid-level
> priced color lasers.
>
> I have a long history with HP printers, but that Xerox looks awfully good.
>
> http://www.printershowcase.com/printer_reviews_xerox6250.asp
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Scientific Marketing
> Neenah, WI
>
> Disclaimer: No tree was killed in the transmission of this
> message. However, several coulombs of electrons were temporarily
> inconvenienced.
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From john at winhaven.net  Sat Nov 22 20:32:05 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:32:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275CD@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEFFENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Drew,
Thanks for the info, sounds like a rock solid server app.

jb

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 7:24 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
>
>
> Yes, ScanMail will scan the files within a zip file.  You can even set how
> deep you want it to scan (for zips within zips).  I think we are set to 5
> levels.  We have never blocked .zip files, and I certainly don't plan on
> starting.  We do block any extension that can be run off the bat, such as
> .exe, .com, .bat, etc.  Those are blocked simply as a buffer, since brand
> new viruses aren't caught until Trend updates their patterns
> (which they do
> pretty fast).  Once a virus is in the pattern though, it will strip it out
> of zip files.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:03 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
>
>
> That's a shame.
>
> I would think that security and productivity should have at least equal
> priority in the work place :o)
>
> For true security to ever happen the email security people are
> going to have
> to start identifying what's in a zip file rather than the fact that its a
> zip file. Most AV scanners can already scan zip contents so I would think
> that if a message came through with a zip attachment that the zip
> attachment's contents could be scanned for problems rather than just
> assuming that its a problem because its a zip. Even if they
> pulled the email
> aside and processed it out of stream rather than doing it directly and
> clogging up the system it would be preferable to just deleting it!
>
> Hey Drew can Trend Micro's system do that?
>
> Of course if they scan the zip - then .mdbs can't be considered dangerous
> either. FMS has a free virus scanner for .mdbs I wonder if its worthwhile?
> If one could write a script to scan .mdbs with FMS AV scanner it could
> eliminating the whole annoying process of not allowing .mdb
> attachments. (Of
> course I always zip my mdbs because they usually compress about 80% so I'm
> back to the first argument...   now I'm just babbling...
> :o)
>
> What say we get some big company to put a bounty out on the heads of virus
> writers?
> ;o)
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:23 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> >
> >
> > Thats just how we do it in work. PITA but gets us past the email people.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> > > Oh, yes, there always have to have some people that overdo everything,
> > > beside scanning .mdb how about not allowing .zip extensions in email?!
> > Then
> > > of course you have people who resort to changing the file extension on
> > your
> > > zipped files to .txt and instructing the person on other end to
> > change it
> > > back. That's good covenient security.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > MartyConnelly
> > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:39 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Depends on what file extensions are scanned on a network
> > server. I keep
> > > > a special stick to poke network guys who insist on scanning
> > ldb and mdb
> > > > file types among others. Scanning a 300MB file on-access can bring
> > > > things to a grinding halt.
> > > >
> > > > Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >On 20 Nov 2003 at 20:40, John W. Colby wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>Stuart,
> > > > >>
> > > > >>I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The
> > unfortunate
> > > > >>reality is that there are millions of machines out there used
> > > > by individuals
> > > > >>in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run
> > > > virus checkers.
> > > > >>THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that
> > > > they only screw
> > > > >>up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has
> > > > no place in a
> > > > >>business where they should be running AV software.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >Which brings us on to another question, prompted recently by a
> > > > >client.
> > > > >
> > > > >What is your option on running anti-virus software on network
> > > > >servers?
> > > > >(Assuming that you do run on-access scanning software on the
> > > > >workstations)
> > > > >
> > > > >Note:
> > > > >X-posted to <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > >All follow ups to that list only. Please!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Marty Connelly
> > > > Victoria, B.C.
> > > > Canada
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >
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> >
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sat Nov 22 20:38:44 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:38:44 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275CE@main2.marlow.com>

I love everything we use from Trend, with the exception of eManager, which
is a spam blocking 'add-in' for ScanMail.  Don't get me wrong, it works, as
well as most of the stuff I've seen out there, but that's the problem.  It's
not stellar! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]


Drew,
Thanks for the info, sounds like a rock solid server app.

jb

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 7:24 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
>
>
> Yes, ScanMail will scan the files within a zip file.  You can even set how
> deep you want it to scan (for zips within zips).  I think we are set to 5
> levels.  We have never blocked .zip files, and I certainly don't plan on
> starting.  We do block any extension that can be run off the bat, such as
> .exe, .com, .bat, etc.  Those are blocked simply as a buffer, since brand
> new viruses aren't caught until Trend updates their patterns
> (which they do
> pretty fast).  Once a virus is in the pattern though, it will strip it out
> of zip files.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:03 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
>
>
> That's a shame.
>
> I would think that security and productivity should have at least equal
> priority in the work place :o)
>
> For true security to ever happen the email security people are
> going to have
> to start identifying what's in a zip file rather than the fact that its a
> zip file. Most AV scanners can already scan zip contents so I would think
> that if a message came through with a zip attachment that the zip
> attachment's contents could be scanned for problems rather than just
> assuming that its a problem because its a zip. Even if they
> pulled the email
> aside and processed it out of stream rather than doing it directly and
> clogging up the system it would be preferable to just deleting it!
>
> Hey Drew can Trend Micro's system do that?
>
> Of course if they scan the zip - then .mdbs can't be considered dangerous
> either. FMS has a free virus scanner for .mdbs I wonder if its worthwhile?
> If one could write a script to scan .mdbs with FMS AV scanner it could
> eliminating the whole annoying process of not allowing .mdb
> attachments. (Of
> course I always zip my mdbs because they usually compress about 80% so I'm
> back to the first argument...   now I'm just babbling...
> :o)
>
> What say we get some big company to put a bounty out on the heads of virus
> writers?
> ;o)
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:23 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> >
> >
> > Thats just how we do it in work. PITA but gets us past the email people.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> > > Oh, yes, there always have to have some people that overdo everything,
> > > beside scanning .mdb how about not allowing .zip extensions in email?!
> > Then
> > > of course you have people who resort to changing the file extension on
> > your
> > > zipped files to .txt and instructing the person on other end to
> > change it
> > > back. That's good covenient security.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > MartyConnelly
> > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:39 AM
> > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Depends on what file extensions are scanned on a network
> > server. I keep
> > > > a special stick to poke network guys who insist on scanning
> > ldb and mdb
> > > > file types among others. Scanning a 300MB file on-access can bring
> > > > things to a grinding halt.
> > > >
> > > > Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >On 20 Nov 2003 at 20:40, John W. Colby wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>Stuart,
> > > > >>
> > > > >>I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The
> > unfortunate
> > > > >>reality is that there are millions of machines out there used
> > > > by individuals
> > > > >>in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run
> > > > virus checkers.
> > > > >>THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that
> > > > they only screw
> > > > >>up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has
> > > > no place in a
> > > > >>business where they should be running AV software.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >Which brings us on to another question, prompted recently by a
> > > > >client.
> > > > >
> > > > >What is your option on running anti-virus software on network
> > > > >servers?
> > > > >(Assuming that you do run on-access scanning software on the
> > > > >workstations)
> > > > >
> > > > >Note:
> > > > >X-posted to <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > >All follow ups to that list only. Please!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Marty Connelly
> > > > Victoria, B.C.
> > > > Canada
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
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From john at winhaven.net  Sat Nov 22 20:46:08 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:46:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275CE@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEFGENAA.john@winhaven.net>

I guess the only server app I was ever that happy with was Diskeeper
defragger. I needed it because almost all of the NT4WS I had on the network
were used for apps that caused massive fragging. It worked great. As Ron
Popeil would say "I just set it and forget" and it ran for years that way
every night.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:39 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
>
>
> I love everything we use from Trend, with the exception of eManager, which
> is a spam blocking 'add-in' for ScanMail.  Don't get me wrong, it
> works, as
> well as most of the stuff I've seen out there, but that's the
> problem.  It's
> not stellar! <grin>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
>
>
> Drew,
> Thanks for the info, sounds like a rock solid server app.
>
> jb
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 7:24 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> >
> >
> > Yes, ScanMail will scan the files within a zip file.  You can
> even set how
> > deep you want it to scan (for zips within zips).  I think we
> are set to 5
> > levels.  We have never blocked .zip files, and I certainly don't plan on
> > starting.  We do block any extension that can be run off the
> bat, such as
> > .exe, .com, .bat, etc.  Those are blocked simply as a buffer,
> since brand
> > new viruses aren't caught until Trend updates their patterns
> > (which they do
> > pretty fast).  Once a virus is in the pattern though, it will
> strip it out
> > of zip files.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:03 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> >
> >
> > That's a shame.
> >
> > I would think that security and productivity should have at least equal
> > priority in the work place :o)
> >
> > For true security to ever happen the email security people are
> > going to have
> > to start identifying what's in a zip file rather than the fact
> that its a
> > zip file. Most AV scanners can already scan zip contents so I
> would think
> > that if a message came through with a zip attachment that the zip
> > attachment's contents could be scanned for problems rather than just
> > assuming that its a problem because its a zip. Even if they
> > pulled the email
> > aside and processed it out of stream rather than doing it directly and
> > clogging up the system it would be preferable to just deleting it!
> >
> > Hey Drew can Trend Micro's system do that?
> >
> > Of course if they scan the zip - then .mdbs can't be considered
> dangerous
> > either. FMS has a free virus scanner for .mdbs I wonder if its
> worthwhile?
> > If one could write a script to scan .mdbs with FMS AV scanner it could
> > eliminating the whole annoying process of not allowing .mdb
> > attachments. (Of
> > course I always zip my mdbs because they usually compress about
> 80% so I'm
> > back to the first argument...   now I'm just babbling...
> > :o)
> >
> > What say we get some big company to put a bounty out on the
> heads of virus
> > writers?
> > ;o)
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:23 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> > >
> > >
> > > Thats just how we do it in work. PITA but gets us past the
> email people.
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > >
> > > > Oh, yes, there always have to have some people that overdo
> everything,
> > > > beside scanning .mdb how about not allowing .zip extensions
> in email?!
> > > Then
> > > > of course you have people who resort to changing the file
> extension on
> > > your
> > > > zipped files to .txt and instructing the person on other end to
> > > change it
> > > > back. That's good covenient security.
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > > MartyConnelly
> > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:39 AM
> > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was
> Redemption DLL ]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Depends on what file extensions are scanned on a network
> > > server. I keep
> > > > > a special stick to poke network guys who insist on scanning
> > > ldb and mdb
> > > > > file types among others. Scanning a 300MB file on-access can bring
> > > > > things to a grinding halt.
> > > > >
> > > > > Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >On 20 Nov 2003 at 20:40, John W. Colby wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>Stuart,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The
> > > unfortunate
> > > > > >>reality is that there are millions of machines out there used
> > > > > by individuals
> > > > > >>in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run
> > > > > virus checkers.
> > > > > >>THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that
> > > > > they only screw
> > > > > >>up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It simply has
> > > > > no place in a
> > > > > >>business where they should be running AV software.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Which brings us on to another question, prompted recently by a
> > > > > >client.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >What is your option on running anti-virus software on network
> > > > > >servers?
> > > > > >(Assuming that you do run on-access scanning software on the
> > > > > >workstations)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Note:
> > > > > >X-posted to <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > >All follow ups to that list only. Please!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Marty Connelly
> > > > > Victoria, B.C.
> > > > > Canada
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
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> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Nov 22 21:23:23 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:23:23 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
References: <007c01c3b11a$87f19b50$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<004f01c3b166$281e70d0$64a39a44@hive>
Message-ID: <010801c3b171$271675b0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Rats.  I really want a color laser printer.  This was my big opportunity to
create a flimsy rationalization for one.  You're probably right though.
Color copying will be cheaper.

There are some marketing reasons, however, why I want to deliver the
software with a manual.  But I was always a slow adopter.  Maybe that's the
right way to go.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jmoss111" <jmoss111 at bellsouth.net>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser


> Rocky,
>
> I did a little investigation a few years ago, and the cost of consumables
> for I think 5% coverage was something like $0.66 per page. Add to that the
> price of a printer and it makes Kinko's look much more attractive. Then
you
> have to add the cost of assembling, binding and shipping the manual which
> makes it a pretty expensive proposition. Most manuals that I have seen
still
> use monochrome screen shots.
>
> Why not just include the manual in .pdf format and let the customer decide
> whether they get color or monochrome manuals, if they decide to print them
> at all.
>
> Jim
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:03 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
>
>
> > Cross posting from dba-tech.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: "dba-tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:34 AM
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Color Laser
> >
> >
> > Hello:
> >
> > I'm writing a manual now into which I've dropped a lot of screen shots.
> > They look much better in color than in black and white.  I think that
> having
> > Kinko's do these on their color laser might be cost prohibitive.  The
> manual
> > will be about 150+ pages when done and of course, not all of the pages
> will
> > require color, although they'll have to charge the color cost for every
> > page.
> >
> > So now I'm thinking about a color laser printer.  Ink jet would be far
too
> > slow if I have to make these manuals in the quantity I'm praying will be
> > necessary.
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience or advice on color laser printers?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Rocky
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From ebarro at afsweb.com  Sat Nov 22 21:23:49 2003
From: ebarro at afsweb.com (Eric Barro)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:23:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
In-Reply-To: <20031122165143.1349102459.serbach@new.rr.com>
Message-ID: <DPEGIFJOAFKLEDNNDGHCIEODFKAA.ebarro@afsweb.com>

I've worked with Tektronix Phaser printers and they have excellent output. The consumables were killing us though. As an alternative we now have a SAVIN SLP38c color printer. The company that sold us the printer takes care of the consumables and maintenance as part of the contract. I believe it's $1.00 per page for this kind of arrangement. The printed output is close enough to the Tektronix and the speed of printing beats the Tektronix hands down.

---
Eric Barro
Senior Systems Analyst
Advanced Field Services
(208) 772-7060
http://www.afsweb.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
Erbach
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 2:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser


Rocky,

>> Does anyone have any experience or advice on color laser printers? <<

I googled a few printer review web sites. Good reviews for the HP 4600 and the Xerox/Tektronix Phaser 6250. These are mid-level priced color lasers.

I have a long history with HP printers, but that Xerox looks awfully good.

http://www.printershowcase.com/printer_reviews_xerox6250.asp

Regards,
 
Steve Erbach
Scientific Marketing
Neenah, WI

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From tomk at multiline.com.au  Sat Nov 22 21:41:22 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 11:41:22 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEFEENAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <002301c3b173$af490720$0300a8c0@print>

I use eight Tekronix(Xerox) Phaser 860's in my business ...brilliant printer
for my application and the beauty of the 860 (also the 840 and 850) is that
black ink is FREE.  You only pay for colour ink

Unlike inkjet printers the finish to the printed page looks as though it was
offset printed and glossy ....I think also the 860 came with duplexing as
standard (although check that) I always buy duplexing as its essential for
my application

You can still buy the 860 new although they would be scarce now as the model
was superseded a couple of years ago...I managed to pick 3 up a few months
ago with full warranty etc.....

If you are stuck ....or only want to print one or two ....send me a PDF of
your manual and I would be happy to print it for you .... I can courier it
to you. (you could advertise PRINTED INTERNATIONALLY<grin>)

Regards

Tom Keatley




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:27 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser


> Phaser printers rock!
>
> If you have the bucks.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
> > Erbach
> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 4:52 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> >
> >
> > Rocky,
> >
> > >> Does anyone have any experience or advice on color laser printers? <<
> >
> > I googled a few printer review web sites. Good reviews for the HP
> > 4600 and the Xerox/Tektronix Phaser 6250. These are mid-level
> > priced color lasers.
> >
> > I have a long history with HP printers, but that Xerox looks awfully
good.
> >
> > http://www.printershowcase.com/printer_reviews_xerox6250.asp
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Steve Erbach
> > Scientific Marketing
> > Neenah, WI
> >
> > Disclaimer: No tree was killed in the transmission of this
> > message. However, several coulombs of electrons were temporarily
> > inconvenienced.
> >
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> >
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Nov 22 22:39:42 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:39:42 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
References: <DPEGIFJOAFKLEDNNDGHCIEODFKAA.ebarro@afsweb.com>
Message-ID: <015b01c3b17b$d0485180$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Well at that rate it'll cost me $150 to print out the manual.  Probably
Kinko's or Staples will be able to beat that.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Barro" <ebarro at afsweb.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 7:23 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser


> I've worked with Tektronix Phaser printers and they have excellent output.
The consumables were killing us though. As an alternative we now have a
SAVIN SLP38c color printer. The company that sold us the printer takes care
of the consumables and maintenance as part of the contract. I believe it's
$1.00 per page for this kind of arrangement. The printed output is close
enough to the Tektronix and the speed of printing beats the Tektronix hands
down.
>
> ---
> Eric Barro
> Senior Systems Analyst
> Advanced Field Services
> (208) 772-7060
> http://www.afsweb.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
> Erbach
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 2:52 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
>
>
> Rocky,
>
> >> Does anyone have any experience or advice on color laser printers? <<
>
> I googled a few printer review web sites. Good reviews for the HP 4600 and
the Xerox/Tektronix Phaser 6250. These are mid-level priced color lasers.
>
> I have a long history with HP printers, but that Xerox looks awfully good.
>
> http://www.printershowcase.com/printer_reviews_xerox6250.asp
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Scientific Marketing
> Neenah, WI
>
> Disclaimer: No tree was killed in the transmission of this message.
However, several coulombs of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced.
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat Nov 22 22:42:46 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:42:46 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEFEENAA.john@winhaven.net>
	<002301c3b173$af490720$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <016101c3b17c$3dfb8260$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Looked it up.  Looks beautiful.  The carts are a killer though, aren't they?
Looks like about $200 a pop!!

Anyway, thanks for the offer.  I think I've got to stay local though.
Probably print 10-20 at a time.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Keatley" <tomk at multiline.com.au>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser


> I use eight Tekronix(Xerox) Phaser 860's in my business ...brilliant
printer
> for my application and the beauty of the 860 (also the 840 and 850) is
that
> black ink is FREE.  You only pay for colour ink
>
> Unlike inkjet printers the finish to the printed page looks as though it
was
> offset printed and glossy ....I think also the 860 came with duplexing as
> standard (although check that) I always buy duplexing as its essential for
> my application
>
> You can still buy the 860 new although they would be scarce now as the
model
> was superseded a couple of years ago...I managed to pick 3 up a few months
> ago with full warranty etc.....
>
> If you are stuck ....or only want to print one or two ....send me a PDF of
> your manual and I would be happy to print it for you .... I can courier it
> to you. (you could advertise PRINTED INTERNATIONALLY<grin>)
>
> Regards
>
> Tom Keatley
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:27 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
>
>
> > Phaser printers rock!
> >
> > If you have the bucks.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steven W.
> > > Erbach
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 4:52 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > >
> > >
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > >> Does anyone have any experience or advice on color laser printers?
<<
> > >
> > > I googled a few printer review web sites. Good reviews for the HP
> > > 4600 and the Xerox/Tektronix Phaser 6250. These are mid-level
> > > priced color lasers.
> > >
> > > I have a long history with HP printers, but that Xerox looks awfully
> good.
> > >
> > > http://www.printershowcase.com/printer_reviews_xerox6250.asp
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Steve Erbach
> > > Scientific Marketing
> > > Neenah, WI
> > >
> > > Disclaimer: No tree was killed in the transmission of this
> > > message. However, several coulombs of electrons were temporarily
> > > inconvenienced.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov 23 04:11:57 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 11:11:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change Default Printer
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275BE@main2.marlow.com>
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275BE@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <1774296928.20031123111157@cactus.dk>

Hi Drew

Look up the archive on "Export Access Report to Word" two weeks ago.

/gustav


> 'Print To Picture thingy'.  Is that a technical term, or just an industry
> standard out in Arnold's World? <grin> (Sorry, it's Friday, I couldn't
> resist!).


From djkr at msn.com  Sun Nov 23 04:13:50 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:13:50 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
In-Reply-To: <010801c3b171$271675b0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <002b01c3b1aa$7d3ca930$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

Rocky

Get one!  See dba-Tech for my posting enthusing about my Minolta-QMS
Magicolor 2300.  (Company is now Konica Minolta - I have no connection.)
Your needs just sound so similar to mine, and $1.00 a page would have been
*WAY* way over the top!

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> Sent: 23 November 2003 03:23
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> 
> 
> Rats.  I really want a color laser printer.  This was my big 
> opportunity to create a flimsy rationalization for one.  
> You're probably right though. Color copying will be cheaper.
> 
> There are some marketing reasons, however, why I want to 
> deliver the software with a manual.  But I was always a slow 
> adopter.  Maybe that's the right way to go.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "jmoss111" <jmoss111 at bellsouth.net>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> 
> 
> > Rocky,
> >
> > I did a little investigation a few years ago, and the cost of 
> > consumables for I think 5% coverage was something like 
> $0.66 per page. 
> > Add to that the price of a printer and it makes Kinko's 
> look much more 
> > attractive. Then
> you
> > have to add the cost of assembling, binding and shipping the manual 
> > which makes it a pretty expensive proposition. Most manuals that I 
> > have seen
> still
> > use monochrome screen shots.
> >
> > Why not just include the manual in .pdf format and let the customer 
> > decide whether they get color or monochrome manuals, if 
> they decide to 
> > print them at all.
> >
> > Jim
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:03 AM
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> >
> >
> > > Cross posting from dba-tech.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > To: "dba-tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:34 AM
> > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Color Laser
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello:
> > >
> > > I'm writing a manual now into which I've dropped a lot of screen 
> > > shots. They look much better in color than in black and white.  I 
> > > think that
> > having
> > > Kinko's do these on their color laser might be cost prohibitive.  
> > > The
> > manual
> > > will be about 150+ pages when done and of course, not all of the 
> > > pages
> > will
> > > require color, although they'll have to charge the color cost for 
> > > every page.
> > >
> > > So now I'm thinking about a color laser printer.  Ink jet 
> would be 
> > > far
> too
> > > slow if I have to make these manuals in the quantity I'm praying 
> > > will be necessary.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any experience or advice on color laser printers?
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
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> 

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sun Nov 23 04:23:04 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:23:04 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser ON TECH
In-Reply-To: <002b01c3b1aa$7d3ca930$bf00a8c0@dabsight>
Message-ID: <04ad01c3b1ab$c7b5f2e0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Please keep this thread to dba-Tech where the other half of it's running.
Thanks

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> DJK(John) Robinson
> Sent: 23 November 2003 10:14
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
> Get one!  See dba-Tech for my posting enthusing about my 
> Minolta-QMS Magicolor 2300.  (Company is now Konica Minolta - 
> I have no connection.) Your needs just sound so similar to 
> mine, and $1.00 a page would have been
> *WAY* way over the top!
> 
> John
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > Sent: 23 November 2003 03:23
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > 
> > 
> > Rats.  I really want a color laser printer.  This was my big
> > opportunity to create a flimsy rationalization for one.  
> > You're probably right though. Color copying will be cheaper.
> > 
> > There are some marketing reasons, however, why I want to
> > deliver the software with a manual.  But I was always a slow 
> > adopter.  Maybe that's the right way to go.
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jmoss111" <jmoss111 at bellsouth.net>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > 
> > 
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > I did a little investigation a few years ago, and the cost of
> > > consumables for I think 5% coverage was something like 
> > $0.66 per page.
> > > Add to that the price of a printer and it makes Kinko's
> > look much more
> > > attractive. Then
> > you
> > > have to add the cost of assembling, binding and shipping 
> the manual
> > > which makes it a pretty expensive proposition. Most 
> manuals that I 
> > > have seen
> > still
> > > use monochrome screen shots.
> > >
> > > Why not just include the manual in .pdf format and let 
> the customer
> > > decide whether they get color or monochrome manuals, if 
> > they decide to
> > > print them at all.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:03 AM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > >
> > >
> > > > Cross posting from dba-tech.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > To: "dba-tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:34 AM
> > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Color Laser
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello:
> > > >
> > > > I'm writing a manual now into which I've dropped a lot of screen
> > > > shots. They look much better in color than in black and 
> white.  I 
> > > > think that
> > > having
> > > > Kinko's do these on their color laser might be cost prohibitive.
> > > > The
> > > manual
> > > > will be about 150+ pages when done and of course, not all of the
> > > > pages
> > > will
> > > > require color, although they'll have to charge the 
> color cost for
> > > > every page.
> > > >
> > > > So now I'm thinking about a color laser printer.  Ink jet
> > would be
> > > > far
> > too
> > > > slow if I have to make these manuals in the quantity I'm praying
> > > > will be necessary.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have any experience or advice on color 
> laser printers?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > 
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> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> 



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sun Nov 23 04:24:46 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:24:46 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ] 
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275CE@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <04ae01c3b1ac$0493c430$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Please take this thread to dba-Tech too.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 23 November 2003 02:39
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> 
> 
> I love everything we use from Trend, with the exception of 
> eManager, which is a spam blocking 'add-in' for ScanMail.  
> Don't get me wrong, it works, as well as most of the stuff 
> I've seen out there, but that's the problem.  It's not stellar! <grin>
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> 
> 
> Drew,
> Thanks for the info, sounds like a rock solid server app.
> 
> jb
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 7:24 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> >
> >
> > Yes, ScanMail will scan the files within a zip file.  You 
> can even set 
> > how deep you want it to scan (for zips within zips).  I 
> think we are 
> > set to 5 levels.  We have never blocked .zip files, and I certainly 
> > don't plan on starting.  We do block any extension that can 
> be run off 
> > the bat, such as .exe, .com, .bat, etc.  Those are blocked 
> simply as a 
> > buffer, since brand new viruses aren't caught until Trend updates 
> > their patterns (which they do pretty fast).  Once a virus is in the 
> > pattern though, it will strip it out of zip files.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:03 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption DLL ]
> >
> >
> > That's a shame.
> >
> > I would think that security and productivity should have at least 
> > equal priority in the work place :o)
> >
> > For true security to ever happen the email security people 
> are going 
> > to have to start identifying what's in a zip file rather 
> than the fact 
> > that its a zip file. Most AV scanners can already scan zip 
> contents so 
> > I would think that if a message came through with a zip attachment 
> > that the zip attachment's contents could be scanned for problems 
> > rather than just assuming that its a problem because its a 
> zip. Even 
> > if they pulled the email
> > aside and processed it out of stream rather than doing it 
> directly and
> > clogging up the system it would be preferable to just deleting it!
> >
> > Hey Drew can Trend Micro's system do that?
> >
> > Of course if they scan the zip - then .mdbs can't be considered 
> > dangerous either. FMS has a free virus scanner for .mdbs I 
> wonder if 
> > its worthwhile? If one could write a script to scan .mdbs 
> with FMS AV 
> > scanner it could eliminating the whole annoying process of not 
> > allowing .mdb attachments. (Of course I always zip my mdbs because 
> > they usually compress about 80% so I'm
> > back to the first argument...   now I'm just babbling...
> > :o)
> >
> > What say we get some big company to put a bounty out on the 
> heads of 
> > virus writers?
> > ;o)
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin 
> > > Reid
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:23 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was 
> Redemption DLL ]
> > >
> > >
> > > Thats just how we do it in work. PITA but gets us past the email 
> > > people.
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > >
> > > > Oh, yes, there always have to have some people that overdo 
> > > > everything, beside scanning .mdb how about not allowing .zip 
> > > > extensions in email?!
> > > Then
> > > > of course you have people who resort to changing the file 
> > > > extension on
> > > your
> > > > zipped files to .txt and instructing the person on other end to
> > > change it
> > > > back. That's good covenient security.
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > > MartyConnelly
> > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:39 AM
> > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] AV Software on Servers [was Redemption 
> > > > > DLL ]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Depends on what file extensions are scanned on a network
> > > server. I keep
> > > > > a special stick to poke network guys who insist on scanning
> > > ldb and mdb
> > > > > file types among others. Scanning a 300MB file on-access can 
> > > > > bring things to a grinding halt.
> > > > >
> > > > > Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >On 20 Nov 2003 at 20:40, John W. Colby wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>Stuart,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I personally don't say it has no place in the world.  The
> > > unfortunate
> > > > > >>reality is that there are millions of machines out 
> there used
> > > > > by individuals
> > > > > >>in their homes (or small office) who are too ignorant to run
> > > > > virus checkers.
> > > > > >>THESE users should indeed install the service patch so that
> > > > > they only screw
> > > > > >>up their own machines when the virus hits them.  It 
> simply has
> > > > > no place in a
> > > > > >>business where they should be running AV software.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Which brings us on to another question, prompted 
> recently by a 
> > > > > >client.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >What is your option on running anti-virus software 
> on network 
> > > > > >servers? (Assuming that you do run on-access 
> scanning software 
> > > > > >on the
> > > > > >workstations)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Note:
> > > > > >X-posted to <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > >All follow ups to that list only. Please!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Marty Connelly
> > > > > Victoria, B.C.
> > > > > Canada
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 



From djkr at msn.com  Sun Nov 23 11:10:01 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:10:01 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] List broken?
In-Reply-To: <002301c3b173$af490720$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <004101c3b1e4$a12ee210$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

Is this list broken?  My post of seven hours ago still hasn't appeared (1710
GMT/UTC).  Nor has anything else.  

The dba-Tech list is running fine, meanwhile, at a delay of just a few
minutes.

John

From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Sun Nov 23 12:03:12 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:03:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] List broken?
In-Reply-To: <004101c3b1e4$a12ee210$bf00a8c0@dabsight>
References: <002301c3b173$af490720$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <3FC0B010.5985.DAAC4C@localhost>

On 23 Nov 2003 at 17:10, DJK(John) Robinson wrote:

> Is this list broken?  My post of seven hours ago still hasn't appeared
> (1710 GMT/UTC).  Nor has anything else.  
> 
> The dba-Tech list is running fine, meanwhile, at a delay of just a few
> minutes.

John,

Your post must be lost in the ether somewhere.

It never made it to the list host.

Also the last post to the list was at 10:38 UTC, so that was about 
6.5 hours previous to the post I'm replying to.

Nothing is stuck anywhere at the list host, either comning in or 
going out.

Your friendly listmaster,
--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Tell me what you need, and I'll tell you how to get along without it.



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Sun Nov 23 12:05:02 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:05:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] List broken?
In-Reply-To: <3FC0B010.5985.DAAC4C@localhost>
References: <004101c3b1e4$a12ee210$bf00a8c0@dabsight>
Message-ID: <3FC0B07E.21952.DC593C@localhost>

On 23 Nov 2003 at 13:03, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> On 23 Nov 2003 at 17:10, DJK(John) Robinson wrote:
> 
> > Is this list broken?  My post of seven hours ago still hasn't
> > appeared (1710 GMT/UTC).  Nor has anything else.  
> > 
> > The dba-Tech list is running fine, meanwhile, at a delay of just a
> > few minutes.
> 
> John,
> 
> Your post must be lost in the ether somewhere.
> 
> It never made it to the list host.
> 
> Also the last post to the list was at 10:38 UTC, so that was about 6.5
> hours previous to the post I'm replying to.
> 
> Nothing is stuck anywhere at the list host, either comning in or going
> out.

Just FYI,

This post took less than a minute to make it back to me.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
My reality check bounced.



From djkr at msn.com  Sun Nov 23 12:13:26 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:13:26 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
Message-ID: <004201c3b1ed$7da5cfd0$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

*** REPOST ***

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DJK(John) Robinson [mailto:djkr at msn.com] 
> Sent: 23 November 2003 10:14
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
> Get one!  See dba-Tech for my posting enthusing about my 
> Minolta-QMS Magicolor 2300.  (Company is now Konica Minolta - 
> I have no connection.)  Your needs just sound so similar to 
> mine, and $1.00 a page would have been *WAY* way over the top!
> 
> John
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > Sent: 23 November 2003 03:23
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > 
> > 
> > Rats.  I really want a color laser printer.  This was my big
> > opportunity to create a flimsy rationalization for one.  
> > You're probably right though. Color copying will be cheaper.
> > 
> > There are some marketing reasons, however, why I want to
> > deliver the software with a manual.  But I was always a slow 
> > adopter.  Maybe that's the right way to go.
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jmoss111" <jmoss111 at bellsouth.net>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > 
> > 
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > I did a little investigation a few years ago, and the cost of
> > > consumables for I think 5% coverage was something like 
> > $0.66 per page.
> > > Add to that the price of a printer and it makes Kinko's
> > look much more
> > > attractive. Then
> > you
> > > have to add the cost of assembling, binding and shipping 
> the manual
> > > which makes it a pretty expensive proposition. Most 
> manuals that I 
> > > have seen
> > still
> > > use monochrome screen shots.
> > >
> > > Why not just include the manual in .pdf format and let 
> the customer
> > > decide whether they get color or monochrome manuals, if 
> > they decide to
> > > print them at all.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:03 AM
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > >
> > >
> > > > Cross posting from dba-tech.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > To: "dba-tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:34 AM
> > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Color Laser
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello:
> > > >
> > > > I'm writing a manual now into which I've dropped a lot of screen
> > > > shots. They look much better in color than in black and 
> white.  I 
> > > > think that
> > > having
> > > > Kinko's do these on their color laser might be cost prohibitive.
> > > > The
> > > manual
> > > > will be about 150+ pages when done and of course, not all of the
> > > > pages
> > > will
> > > > require color, although they'll have to charge the 
> color cost for
> > > > every page.
> > > >
> > > > So now I'm thinking about a color laser printer.  Ink jet
> > would be
> > > > far
> > too
> > > > slow if I have to make these manuals in the quantity I'm praying
> > > > will be necessary.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have any experience or advice on color 
> laser printers?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > Website: 
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 

From djkr at msn.com  Sun Nov 23 12:20:48 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:20:48 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] List broken?
In-Reply-To: <3FC0B07E.21952.DC593C@localhost>
Message-ID: <004301c3b1ee$84a05a20$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

Hmm, thanks Bryan.  Maybe it's an MSN problem...
Anyway, the repost worked fine.

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: 23 November 2003 18:05
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] List broken?
> 
> 
> On 23 Nov 2003 at 13:03, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:
> 
> > On 23 Nov 2003 at 17:10, DJK(John) Robinson wrote:
> > 
> > > Is this list broken?  My post of seven hours ago still hasn't 
> > > appeared (1710 GMT/UTC).  Nor has anything else.
> > > 
> > > The dba-Tech list is running fine, meanwhile, at a delay 
> of just a 
> > > few minutes.
> > 
> > John,
> > 
> > Your post must be lost in the ether somewhere.
> > 
> > It never made it to the list host.
> > 
> > Also the last post to the list was at 10:38 UTC, so that 
> was about 6.5 
> > hours previous to the post I'm replying to.
> > 
> > Nothing is stuck anywhere at the list host, either comning 
> in or going 
> > out.
> 
> Just FYI,
> 
> This post took less than a minute to make it back to me.
> 
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> My reality check bounced.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun Nov 23 12:43:05 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:43:05 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
References: <004201c3b1ed$7da5cfd0$bf00a8c0@dabsight>
Message-ID: <009301c3b1f1$a1b42bc0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

DK - saw this one earlier.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "DJK(John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:13 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser


> *** REPOST ***
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DJK(John) Robinson [mailto:djkr at msn.com]
> > Sent: 23 November 2003 10:14
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> >
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > Get one!  See dba-Tech for my posting enthusing about my
> > Minolta-QMS Magicolor 2300.  (Company is now Konica Minolta -
> > I have no connection.)  Your needs just sound so similar to
> > mine, and $1.00 a page would have been *WAY* way over the top!
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: 23 November 2003 03:23
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > >
> > >
> > > Rats.  I really want a color laser printer.  This was my big
> > > opportunity to create a flimsy rationalization for one.
> > > You're probably right though. Color copying will be cheaper.
> > >
> > > There are some marketing reasons, however, why I want to
> > > deliver the software with a manual.  But I was always a slow
> > > adopter.  Maybe that's the right way to go.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "jmoss111" <jmoss111 at bellsouth.net>
> > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:04 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > >
> > >
> > > > Rocky,
> > > >
> > > > I did a little investigation a few years ago, and the cost of
> > > > consumables for I think 5% coverage was something like
> > > $0.66 per page.
> > > > Add to that the price of a printer and it makes Kinko's
> > > look much more
> > > > attractive. Then
> > > you
> > > > have to add the cost of assembling, binding and shipping
> > the manual
> > > > which makes it a pretty expensive proposition. Most
> > manuals that I
> > > > have seen
> > > still
> > > > use monochrome screen shots.
> > > >
> > > > Why not just include the manual in .pdf format and let
> > the customer
> > > > decide whether they get color or monochrome manuals, if
> > > they decide to
> > > > print them at all.
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:03 AM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Cross posting from dba-tech.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > > To: "dba-tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:34 AM
> > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Color Laser
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm writing a manual now into which I've dropped a lot of screen
> > > > > shots. They look much better in color than in black and
> > white.  I
> > > > > think that
> > > > having
> > > > > Kinko's do these on their color laser might be cost prohibitive.
> > > > > The
> > > > manual
> > > > > will be about 150+ pages when done and of course, not all of the
> > > > > pages
> > > > will
> > > > > require color, although they'll have to charge the
> > color cost for
> > > > > every page.
> > > > >
> > > > > So now I'm thinking about a color laser printer.  Ink jet
> > > would be
> > > > > far
> > > too
> > > > > slow if I have to make these manuals in the quantity I'm praying
> > > > > will be necessary.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone have any experience or advice on color
> > laser printers?
> > > > >
> > > > > TIA,
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > > Website:
> > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Sun Nov 23 13:03:10 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 14:03:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] List broken?
In-Reply-To: <004301c3b1ee$84a05a20$bf00a8c0@dabsight>
References: <3FC0B07E.21952.DC593C@localhost>
Message-ID: <3FC0BE1E.18496.11191A1@localhost>

On 23 Nov 2003 at 18:20, DJK(John) Robinson wrote:

> Hmm, thanks Bryan.  Maybe it's an MSN problem...
> Anyway, the repost worked fine.

Your original worked fine too, but should have gone to dba-tech

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Goals are deceptive - the unaimed arrow never misses.



From djkr at msn.com  Sun Nov 23 13:20:52 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 19:20:52 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] List broken?
In-Reply-To: <3FC0BE1E.18496.11191A1@localhost>
Message-ID: <004401c3b1f6$e8ea82a0$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

Bryan

"...should have gone to dba-tech"
Umm, no.  I was replying to an accessD posting, and making my own feeble
attempt to divert people to the active discussion on dba-Tech - the
appropriate place.

Incidentally, I reposted because you said my original "never made it to the
list host".  Ah well, never mind now.

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> Sent: 23 November 2003 19:03
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] List broken?
> 
> 
> On 23 Nov 2003 at 18:20, DJK(John) Robinson wrote:
> 
> > Hmm, thanks Bryan.  Maybe it's an MSN problem...
> > Anyway, the repost worked fine.
> 
> Your original worked fine too, but should have gone to dba-tech
> 
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
> Goals are deceptive - the unaimed arrow never misses.
> 
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From artful at rogers.com  Sun Nov 23 18:38:46 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:38:46 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database
Message-ID: <000001c3b223$5bfd43f0$6701a8c0@rock>

I've been working on this database lately, and I made all the Yes/No
fields CheckBoxes. Turns out the client hates CheckBoxes and wants
Yes/No combos instead. So I need a routine to walk every table and
change the properties of every Yes/No field from CheckBox to Combo +
Value List, "-1","Yes", "0","No", column count = 2, column widths = 0".

Anyone got such a routine or something close that I can rework to suit
my needs?

TIA,
Arthur



From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sun Nov 23 17:54:44 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:54:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database
References: <000001c3b223$5bfd43f0$6701a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <003201c3b21d$2e0e9850$6401a8c0@default>

Arthur, 

This works in A97, DAO
Since I have made the first field "0;Yes", then "Yes"
becomes the default value for the field.

Public Function fnYesNo2CBO()
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Set db = CurrentDb
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "DisplayControl", 3, 111, 111
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "RowSourceType", dbText, "Value List", "Value List"
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "RowSource", dbText, "0;Yes;1;No", "0;Yes;1;No"
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "ColumnCount", 3, 2, 2
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "ColumnWidths", dbText, "0, 720", "0, 720"
    Set db = Nothing
End Function

Private Function SetAccessProperty(obj As Object, strName As String, _
        intType As Integer, varSetting As Variant, _
        Optional SetToWhat As String) As Boolean
    Dim prp As DAO.Property
    Const conPropNotFound As Integer = 3270

    On Error GoTo ErrorSetAccessProperty
    ' Explicitly refer to Properties collection.
    obj.Properties(strName) = varSetting
    obj.Properties.Refresh
    If SetToWhat <> "" Then
        obj.Properties(strName).Value = SetToWhat
        obj.Properties.Refresh
    End If
    SetAccessProperty = True
    
ExitSetAccessProperty:
    Exit Function
    
ErrorSetAccessProperty:
    If Err = conPropNotFound Then

' Create property, denote type, and set initial value.
        Set prp = obj.CreateProperty(strName, intType, varSetting)
        ' Append Property object to Properties collection.
        obj.Properties.append prp
        obj.Properties(strName).Value = SetToWhat
        obj.Properties.Refresh
        SetAccessProperty = True
        Resume ExitSetAccessProperty
    Else
        MsgBox Err & ": " & vbCrLf & Err.Description
        SetAccessProperty = False
        Resume ExitSetAccessProperty
    End If
End Function


Michael R. Mattys
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www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 7:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database


> I've been working on this database lately, and I made all the Yes/No
> fields CheckBoxes. Turns out the client hates CheckBoxes and wants
> Yes/No combos instead. So I need a routine to walk every table and
> change the properties of every Yes/No field from CheckBox to Combo +
> Value List, "-1","Yes", "0","No", column count = 2, column widths = 0".
> 
> Anyone got such a routine or something close that I can rework to suit
> my needs?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From djkr at msn.com  Sun Nov 23 18:21:21 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:21:21 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser ON TECH
In-Reply-To: <04ad01c3b1ab$c7b5f2e0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <004c01c3b220$e32890d0$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

Andy

Thank you for your gratuitous support.  I've already said "See dba-Tech".

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: 23 November 2003 10:23
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser ON TECH
> 
> 
> Please keep this thread to dba-Tech where the other half of 
> it's running. Thanks
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > DJK(John) Robinson
> > Sent: 23 November 2003 10:14
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > 
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > Get one!  See dba-Tech for my posting enthusing about my
> > Minolta-QMS Magicolor 2300.  (Company is now Konica Minolta - 
> > I have no connection.) Your needs just sound so similar to 
> > mine, and $1.00 a page would have been
> > *WAY* way over the top!
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > Sent: 23 November 2003 03:23
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Rats.  I really want a color laser printer.  This was my big 
> > > opportunity to create a flimsy rationalization for one.
> > > You're probably right though. Color copying will be cheaper.
> > > 
> > > There are some marketing reasons, however, why I want to 
> deliver the 
> > > software with a manual.  But I was always a slow adopter.  Maybe 
> > > that's the right way to go.
> > > 
> > > Rocky
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "jmoss111" <jmoss111 at bellsouth.net>
> > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:04 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Rocky,
> > > >
> > > > I did a little investigation a few years ago, and the cost of 
> > > > consumables for I think 5% coverage was something like
> > > $0.66 per page.
> > > > Add to that the price of a printer and it makes Kinko's
> > > look much more
> > > > attractive. Then
> > > you
> > > > have to add the cost of assembling, binding and shipping
> > the manual
> > > > which makes it a pretty expensive proposition. Most
> > manuals that I
> > > > have seen
> > > still
> > > > use monochrome screen shots.
> > > >
> > > > Why not just include the manual in .pdf format and let
> > the customer
> > > > decide whether they get color or monochrome manuals, if
> > > they decide to
> > > > print them at all.
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:03 AM
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Color Laser
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Cross posting from dba-tech.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" 
> <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > > To: "dba-tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:34 AM
> > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Color Laser
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm writing a manual now into which I've dropped a 
> lot of screen 
> > > > > shots. They look much better in color than in black and
> > white.  I
> > > > > think that
> > > > having
> > > > > Kinko's do these on their color laser might be cost 
> prohibitive. 
> > > > > The
> > > > manual
> > > > > will be about 150+ pages when done and of course, not 
> all of the 
> > > > > pages
> > > > will
> > > > > require color, although they'll have to charge the
> > color cost for
> > > > > every page.
> > > > >
> > > > > So now I'm thinking about a color laser printer.  Ink jet
> > > would be
> > > > > far
> > > too
> > > > > slow if I have to make these manuals in the quantity 
> I'm praying 
> > > > > will be necessary.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone have any experience or advice on color
> > laser printers?
> > > > >
> > > > > TIA,
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
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> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> > > >
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> > 
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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Sun Nov 23 22:29:34 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:59:34 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Link child / master field fails in subsubform
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEMAFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00a401c3b248$5a837560$4cedf73d@winxp>

John,

    Are you  in a position to send zipped extract of database containing the problem forms with sample data in relevant record sources ?

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John W. Colby 
  To: AccessD 
  Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 00:27
  Subject: [AccessD] Link child / master field fails in subsubform


  I have a db where the subform pulls the correct records using ling child /
  master field properties, but the subsub form fails to follow the subform,
  i.e. it pulls a set associated with the parent form but not associated with
  the first subform.

  Agency / contract / assignment.  As I move through agency records I see the
  contract change.  I also see the assignment change, but as I move through
  the contracts the assignments don't change.

  I have seen this before, and worked around it by just replacing the link
  properties with query filters in the subform.

  Has anyone seen a bug fix for this?

  John W. Colby
  www.ColbyConsulting.com


From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 24 00:26:36 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:26:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] report field font size
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEAKFGAA.john@winhaven.net>

Anyone have a function to set the font size in a report field to the maximum
that will fit in the control?

TIA
jb



From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov 24 02:12:35 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:12:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] report field font size
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEAKFGAA.john@winhaven.net>
References: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJOEAKFGAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1691069107.20031124091235@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Stephen Lebans may be able to inspire you:

  http://www.lebans.com/makefitsingle.htm

/gustav


> Anyone have a function to set the font size in a report field to the maximum
> that will fit in the control?


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Nov 24 03:54:38 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:54:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEF0@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

You gonna need to change every form or report to...
The table setting is a default setting when creating a new form/report.
Changing the table setting does not change the already created
forms/reports.

Erwin

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 12:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database

Arthur, 

This works in A97, DAO
Since I have made the first field "0;Yes", then "Yes"
becomes the default value for the field.

Public Function fnYesNo2CBO()
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Set db = CurrentDb
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "DisplayControl", 3, 111, 111
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "RowSourceType", dbText, "Value List", "Value List"
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "RowSource", dbText, "0;Yes;1;No", "0;Yes;1;No"
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "ColumnCount", 3, 2, 2
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "ColumnWidths", dbText, "0, 720", "0, 720"
    Set db = Nothing
End Function

Private Function SetAccessProperty(obj As Object, strName As String, _
        intType As Integer, varSetting As Variant, _
        Optional SetToWhat As String) As Boolean
    Dim prp As DAO.Property
    Const conPropNotFound As Integer = 3270

    On Error GoTo ErrorSetAccessProperty
    ' Explicitly refer to Properties collection.
    obj.Properties(strName) = varSetting
    obj.Properties.Refresh
    If SetToWhat <> "" Then
        obj.Properties(strName).Value = SetToWhat
        obj.Properties.Refresh
    End If
    SetAccessProperty = True
    
ExitSetAccessProperty:
    Exit Function
    
ErrorSetAccessProperty:
    If Err = conPropNotFound Then

' Create property, denote type, and set initial value.
        Set prp = obj.CreateProperty(strName, intType, varSetting)
        ' Append Property object to Properties collection.
        obj.Properties.append prp
        obj.Properties(strName).Value = SetToWhat
        obj.Properties.Refresh
        SetAccessProperty = True
        Resume ExitSetAccessProperty
    Else
        MsgBox Err & ": " & vbCrLf & Err.Description
        SetAccessProperty = False
        Resume ExitSetAccessProperty
    End If
End Function


Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 7:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database


> I've been working on this database lately, and I made all the Yes/No
> fields CheckBoxes. Turns out the client hates CheckBoxes and wants
> Yes/No combos instead. So I need a routine to walk every table and
> change the properties of every Yes/No field from CheckBox to Combo +
> Value List, "-1","Yes", "0","No", column count = 2, column widths =
0".
> 
> Anyone got such a routine or something close that I can rework to suit
> my needs?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov 24 04:07:37 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:07:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Link child / master field fails in subsubform
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEMAFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEMAFMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <657971302.20031124110737@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Could it be that you are fiddling with the AllowEdit etc. properties
of the sub(sub)forms?
If so, you may need to reassign the LinkMaster/ChildFields settings
(to themselves) when opening the mainform.

/gustav


> Date: 2003-11-22 19:57

> I have a db where the subform pulls the correct records using ling child /
> master field properties, but the subsub form fails to follow the subform,
> i.e. it pulls a set associated with the parent form but not associated with
> the first subform.

> Agency / contract / assignment.  As I move through agency records I see the
> contract change.  I also see the assignment change, but as I move through
> the contracts the assignments don't change.

> I have seen this before, and worked around it by just replacing the link
> properties with query filters in the subform.

> Has anyone seen a bug fix for this?


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Nov 24 04:56:19 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:56:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEF4@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

 
 
Hi
 
I was wondering something.
In the VBA editor in options>common(?)>Compile
You can click two options for compiling.
I have the dutch version and I find that the help is poorly explaining
the exact use of these options (if not for everything:-(.
Compile at request and background compiling.
 
I wonder if anyone could explain me what those options do and what best
choice is...
 

 

Erwin Craps

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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Mon Nov 24 06:02:30 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 23:02:30 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control
References: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A0805BB@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <000d01c3b282$d6589cd0$6401a8c0@user>

Thanks Alan - I will be back working on this tomorrow and will try that.
Rgds
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Garraway, Alun 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 2:52 AM
  Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  hi Kath

  I've now tried both types of comboboxs, no problems with loading
  data or passing value/text to variable. both have the change event.

  remember in excel each sheet is like a "module" that means if you have
  a combobox on sheet1 you have to go to the ide and select "Sheet1"
  in the project explorer, then select the object from the objectlist,
  with the combobox the change event is standard.
  then you can use var = me.combobox1.value ( or .text) example i sent u.

  if you want to get the value/text of the combobox from a module
  then you need something like this:

  Sub getit()
      Dim v As Variant
      Dim o As ComboBox
      
      Set o = ActiveWorkbook.Sheets(1).cbo2
      
      v = o.Value
      Debug.Print v
      
  End Sub


  hth
  alun

  btw regarding your other problem the only solution i know is, as you
  said, to use different ranges depending on the selection.


  -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
  Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
  Pelletti
  Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 13:36
  An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Betreff: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  Thanks Alan - but the combo box (I used the one from the forms toolbar) does not appear to have a name property or an on change event. You can attach a macro (and therefore an event) to it but that's it - I can't find a way to refer back to that control name in the code.

  Maybe you are referring to the combo control from the Control Toolbox toolbar? I was reluctant to use that because I think I read that it would require registration on distribution??

  Kath
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Garraway, Alun 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:06 PM
    Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


    ok

    create a modul and declare a public variable.

    then for the combo on change event
    try this:

    Private Sub cboSheet1_Change()
        
        myVar = Me.cboSheet1.Value
        
    End Sub

    note: cboSheet1 is the name of my combobox
    and MyVar is the public variable in the modul
    hth
    alun


    -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
    Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
    Pelletti
    Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 09:46
    An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Betreff: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


    Hi Alan - it's just on the worksheet.
    Kath
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Garraway, Alun 
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
      Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:35 PM
      Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


      hi Kath,

      is the control on an excel worksheet or are u using
      a userform?

      alun

      -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
      Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
      [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
      Pelletti
      Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 00:38
      An: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
      Betreff: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


      Can anyone tell me how to refer to a form control in Excel (in this case a combo box) so that I can read its contents into a variable in vba?

      Urgent.
      TIA


      Kath Pelletti
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      Ph: 9505-6714
      Fax: 9505-6430
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Mon Nov 24 06:03:20 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 23:03:20 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel input range
References: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873063952D8@corp-es00>
Message-ID: <001701c3b282$f441c730$6401a8c0@user>

Hi Jim - thank you. I will put together a sample and send it tomorrow.

Rgds
Kath
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  From: Hale, Jim 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:03 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Excel input range


  If you send me a sample I will take a look at it on Monday.
  regards,
  Jim Hale

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Kath Pelletti [mailto:SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au]
  Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:24 PM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] OT: Excel input range


  After a long day battling my way through this Excel development I am signing
  off for now but in case any Excel gurus have the time, could you answer
  this:

  On an Excel s/sheet I have 3 combos (created with the form control). I have
  nominated an input range for each (on a separate sheet). Depending on the
  choice the user makes in Combo 1 and Combo 2, I need to modify the range for
  Combo 3. What's the best way in Excel? I see on lots of internet samples
  that quite often people set up range after range of values and nominate one
  or the other as the appropriate range when the combos change, but surely
  there is a more efficient way??

  I have fairly simple rules from the client and I think that I should be able
  to set up a grid /range of cells which hold my criteria. I can post sample
  data if anyone thinks they can help.

  Thanks everyone - and apologies for the Excel posts (I am also posting to
  Excel sites but no luck yet). Have a great w/end.


  Kath Pelletti
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 24 07:34:26 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:34:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Link child / master field fails in subsubform
In-Reply-To: <657971302.20031124110737@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOECAFNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

It turns out it had to do with the name of the field it was bound to.  The
field name was the same in the child and the parent and I guess the wizard
just got them wrong somehow.  I went in and aliased the IDs in the queries
for the main form and the child form, reran the query that builds the links,
and the problem went away.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Link child / master field fails in subsubform


Hi John

Could it be that you are fiddling with the AllowEdit etc. properties
of the sub(sub)forms?
If so, you may need to reassign the LinkMaster/ChildFields settings
(to themselves) when opening the mainform.

/gustav


> Date: 2003-11-22 19:57

> I have a db where the subform pulls the correct records using ling child /
> master field properties, but the subsub form fails to follow the subform,
> i.e. it pulls a set associated with the parent form but not associated
with
> the first subform.

> Agency / contract / assignment.  As I move through agency records I see
the
> contract change.  I also see the assignment change, but as I move through
> the contracts the assignments don't change.

> I have seen this before, and worked around it by just replacing the link
> properties with query filters in the subform.

> Has anyone seen a bug fix for this?

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From michael.broesdorf at web.de  Mon Nov 24 09:03:53 2003
From: michael.broesdorf at web.de (=?us-ascii?Q?Michael_Brosdorf?=)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:03:53 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOECAFNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHMELFEOAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>

Hello,

my mousewheel does not work in the VBA windows of Access 2000 - I am unable
to scroll through the code with the wheel. In other applications and even in
Access it works fine. Is that a known problem? Is there any way to make it
work? I am using a Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 with current
Microsoft drivers, but the same problems occurs with Logitech mice..

TIA,

Michael


From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon Nov 24 09:14:35 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:14:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA306AF981@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB045@ADGSERVER>

I think that you mean www.persits.com.  :)

Bobby

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


persists.com They have a component called ASPEmail.  You can use it with VBA
too.  Just give it the SMTP server, and you are off and running.  It has
both a free and 'pro' versions.  The free is pretty decent, does all of the
basic email functions.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Charlotte,

You said, 'Feel free to write your own."  

I've looked at the Redemption web site, and while it's not too expensive,
all I really need is to be able to send simple emails from within Access
without the 'are you sure' dialog.  Do you know where I could learn enough
about Extended MAPI to do just this?

Thanks,
Dan Waters



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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


This thread seems to be degenerating into Microsoft bashing and rant, but
let me clarify something.  The Redemption dll is NOT a control.  It is a
library that you call into, a wrapper for Extended MAPI calls. Feel free to
write your own ... Or to use a different email application ... Or to use
SMTP instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...



The Outlook security patch is a half-assed reaction to what was at the time
a big press issue.  With repeated massive virus attacks crippling mail
servers world wide, they had to appear do something for public image and if
it helped lessen the problem all the better.  This was quick and dirty and
since it was done, it stuck, but at least in later office versions you could
uncripple outlook for certain things.  Why is it half assed?

1. It is indiscriminate and broke a lot of existing and widely used
applications that hooked into outlook.  Remember that Office and vba is
supposed to be all about flexibility developing solutions.  They broke that
big time.

2. It isn't about fixing security vulnerabilites.  MS has had plenty of
security vulnerabilites and they fix those with minor patches, not wholesale
surgery on applications.  The patch doesn't stop you receiving viruses, or
running them, or them sending mail out simple inbuilt smtp engines which
most successful trojans have had for years.  By and large viruses/trojan in
this day and age do not use security vulnerabilities as their primary means
of infection.

3. And this is the kicker for me.  If redemption bypasses security by using
extended mapi, how long will it really be before some virus/trojan writer
uses extended mapi to access the address book.  Remember the majority of
viruses these days are trojans not scripts.  They don't use security
vulnerabilites to spread and infect, they use social engineering to trick
people into thinking they are from people they know.

So should I now spend US$200 on a control that may well be crippled sometime
soon as MS uses the same half baked strategy again.  If they are going to
close access to the address book why not close it the first time, and not
leave a back door that will spawn another generation of super spreading
viruses? 

It it worth trying to bypass Outlook security?  If I can bypass it with a
simple control, so any decent virus writer with half a brain can build the
same into his newest attack.

Stuart

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> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, 21 November, 2003 8:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
> 
> 
> On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:
> 
> > 
> > >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that
> turns it on. (A2K)
> > Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious
> VBScript code from
> > propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your
> clients not to
> > install security patches so your email code will work?
> > 
> > 
> I'm with JC 100% on this one.
> 
> The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting
> machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's 
> not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.
> 
> It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess
> communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite 
> paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which has 
> the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing 
> applications.
> 
> Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
> (At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email
> programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about 
> it at all <VBG>)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> --
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> Support.
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From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 24 09:28:50 2003
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 07:28:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation Question
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB045@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <20031124152850.82382.qmail@web9802.mail.yahoo.com>


Goood Morning Everyone,

 

I have an excel automation question.  I have Access XP and though vba I am writing to an excel spread sheet.  Does any know how to set the column width of a column in excel and then format that column for time.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Dale



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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Mon Nov 24 09:21:10 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:21:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB045@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <008701c3b2a0$1dfbd260$0200a8c0@S856>

Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network?
thank you

Lembit 


From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Nov 24 09:47:44 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:47:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation Question
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD7989@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Two questions here <g>.

1/ Setting the column width.

Here's a routine I use to format a range of columns so they fit the data in
them, and also it formats the column headers.

Sub FormatAndAutoFitHeaders(sFileName As String, nWkSheetNumber As Integer,
nLastColumn As Integer _
    , Optional nFirstColumn As Integer = 1, Optional nCellColor As Long =
vbYellow _
    , Optional nCellBorder As Long = vbBlack)
Dim xlFile As Excel.Application
Dim xlwb As Excel.Workbook
Dim xlSheet As Excel.Worksheet
Dim oRng As Excel.Range

    Set xlFile = OpenXLWorkBookHidden(sFileName)
    With xlFile
        Set xlwb = xlFile.Workbooks(GetFileName(sFileName))
        Set xlSheet = xlwb.Worksheets(nWkSheetNumber)
        Set oRng = xlSheet.Range(xlSheet.Cells(1, nFirstColumn),
xlSheet.Cells(1, nLastColumn))
        oRng.EntireColumn.AutoFit
        oRng.Interior.Color = vbYellow
        oRng.Borders.Color = vbBlack
        Set oRng = Nothing
        Set xlSheet = Nothing
        Set xlwb = Nothing
    End With
    CloseXLWorkBook xlFile, True
End Sub

This uses three other routines.

Function OpenXLWorkBookHidden(Path As String, Optional UpdateLinks As
Boolean = False, Optional password As String = "") As Excel.Application
    Dim xlObj As Excel.Application
       
    On Error GoTo OpenXLWorkBookHidden_err
    'Check to see if the file name passed in to the procedure is valid
    If IsNull(Path) Or isDirectory(Path) Or Not FileExists(Path) Then
        MsgBox Path & " isn't a valid path!", vbCritical, "Open Excel
Workbook"
        Set OpenXLWorkBookHidden = Nothing
        Exit Function
    Else
        Set xlObj = CreateObject("Excel.Application")
    
        xlObj.Workbooks.Open Path, UpdateLinks, , , password
        Set OpenXLWorkBookHidden = xlObj
    End If
OpenXLWorkBookHidden_exit:
    Exit Function
OpenXLWorkBookHidden_err:
' call your own error reporting routine here.
'    ReportError Err.Number, Err.Description, "OpenXLWorkBookHidden",
"Excel_mod", "File Name=" & Path
    Set OpenXLWorkBookHidden = Nothing
    Resume OpenXLWorkBookHidden_exit
End Function

Sub CloseXLWorkBook(xlApp As Excel.Application, Optional bSaveChanges As
Boolean = False)
Dim wb As Excel.Workbook
    On Error Resume Next
    If xlApp.Name > "" Then
    End If
    If Err.Number <> 0 Then Exit Sub
    On Error GoTo 0
        For Each wb In xlApp.Workbooks         'Close all open workbooks
            wb.Close bSaveChanges
        Next wb
    xlApp.UserControl = False
    Set xlApp = Nothing
End Sub

and finally

Function GetFileName(aPath) As String
Dim fPath As String
    fPath = GetPath(aPath)
    If Len(fPath) = Len(aPath) Then ' only a path was provided
        GetFileName = ""
    Else
        GetFileName = Right$(aPath, Len(aPath) - Len(fPath))
    End If
End Function

which in turn uses...

Function GetPath(aPath) As String
' Strips the path name from the supplied file and path name
' leaves the trailing slash on there
Dim foo As Integer, aSlash As Integer
    aSlash = 0
    foo = InStr(aPath, "\")
    While (foo > 0)
        aSlash = foo
        foo = InStr(aSlash + 1, aPath, "\")
    Wend
    If aSlash > 0 Then
        GetPath = Left$(aPath, aSlash)
    Else
        GetPath = ""
    End If
End Function

as for setting the colum to Time format, simply recording a macro in Excel
reveals the code looks like this...

Sub Macro1()
'
' Macro1 Macro
' Macro recorded 11/24/2003 by L Heenan
'

'
    Columns("A:A").Select
    Selection.NumberFormat = "h:mm:ss"
End Sub


HTH

Lambert

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> Sent:	Monday, November 24, 2003 10:29 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	[AccessD] Excel Automation Question
> 
> 
> Goood Morning Everyone,
> 
>  
> 
> I have an excel automation question.  I have Access XP and though vba I am
> writing to an excel spread sheet.  Does any know how to set the column
> width of a column in excel and then format that column for time.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
>  
> 
> Dale
> 
> 
> 
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Nov 24 10:02:41 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:02:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEF7@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Lembit, wrong list for this question, should be the tech list.

Huumm

1) Using Sneakernet :-)
2) The domain computermanager (if all computers are NT, 2K, XPPRO and
added in the domain)
3) Use a tool like iInventory (former LanAudit)
http://www.iinventory.com
Is a free tool up to 25 pc's. BUT, you need to be able to run a small
program on each computer from the logon script or manual using
sneakernet :-) or convince the user by phone to run it from a server or
diskette.


Erwin

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Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network

Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network?
thank you

Lembit 

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Mon Nov 24 10:12:12 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:12:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation Question
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F990173F907@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Dale,

A really neat and easy way to find out how certain Excel objects behave is to simply record a macro that does what you need.  Then go into the VBA editor and see what properties were set and how.

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director Product Development
Hudson Health Plan
Tarrytown, NY


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Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation Question



Goood Morning Everyone,

 

I have an excel automation question.  I have Access XP and though vba I am writing to an excel spread sheet.  Does any know how to set the column width of a column in excel and then format that column for time.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Dale



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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Mon Nov 24 10:30:10 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:30:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEF7@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <011d01c3b2a8$3b2b01f0$0200a8c0@S856>

thanks, Erwin,
but its the right list, since I want to do it from Access (A2k)

can I use the domain computermanager from within Access VB?

Lembit Soobik

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Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network


> Lembit, wrong list for this question, should be the tech list.
>
> Huumm
>
> 1) Using Sneakernet :-)
> 2) The domain computermanager (if all computers are NT, 2K, XPPRO and
> added in the domain)
> 3) Use a tool like iInventory (former LanAudit)
> http://www.iinventory.com
> Is a free tool up to 25 pc's. BUT, you need to be able to run a small
> program on each computer from the logon script or manual using
> sneakernet :-) or convince the user by phone to run it from a server or
> diskette.
>
>
> Erwin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:21 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
>
> Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network?
> thank you
>
> Lembit
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 24 10:43:52 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:43:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631247A@infoserver01.infostat.local>

The scroll wheel does not work in the Visual Basic Editor in *any* of
the Office apps ... Thank goodness.  I personally could live nicely
without scroll wheels on mice in any environment.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Brosdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de] 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


Hello,

my mousewheel does not work in the VBA windows of Access 2000 - I am
unable to scroll through the code with the wheel. In other applications
and even in Access it works fine. Is that a known problem? Is there any
way to make it work? I am using a Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0
with current Microsoft drivers, but the same problems occurs with
Logitech mice..

TIA,

Michael

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Mon Nov 24 10:48:16 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:48:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEF8@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hoe hoe

Don't know, maybe there exist some tools/controls for domain manager
(NT) and/or Active directory services (W2K up).

Maybe you should consider looking at iInventory. They store the data in
a Access database and inventories also software on computers.

And again if u use domain manager/active directory all computers must be
in the domain (this can only be true for NT, W2K, XP pro).

There are some dos tools like "net view" but they do not always show all
computers, only those who are on and depending on the os if they have
netbeui installed or not....
And whom are in the same workgroup/domain....

Only sure thing is to run iInventory on each computer.
Or using sneakernet :-) 

Erwin

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network

thanks, Erwin,
but its the right list, since I want to do it from Access (A2k)

can I use the domain computermanager from within Access VB?

Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message -----
From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network


> Lembit, wrong list for this question, should be the tech list.
>
> Huumm
>
> 1) Using Sneakernet :-)
> 2) The domain computermanager (if all computers are NT, 2K, XPPRO and
> added in the domain)
> 3) Use a tool like iInventory (former LanAudit)
> http://www.iinventory.com
> Is a free tool up to 25 pc's. BUT, you need to be able to run a small
> program on each computer from the logon script or manual using
> sneakernet :-) or convince the user by phone to run it from a server
or
> diskette.
>
>
> Erwin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit
Soobik
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:21 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
>
> Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network?
> thank you
>
> Lembit
>
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Mon Nov 24 10:58:16 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:58:16 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
Message-ID: <24248381.1069693096180.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>

Couldn't you write a couple of lines of code to execute the following from a command prompt
Net View > filename.txt
then import the file directly into Access.... ????
Paul Hartland




Message date : Nov 24 2003, 04:34 PM 
>From : Lembit Soobik 
To : Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
Copy to : 
Subject : Re: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network 
thanks, Erwin, 
but its the right list, since I want to do it from Access (A2k) 

can I use the domain computermanager from within Access VB? 

Lembit Soobik 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Erwin Craps" 
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 

Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:02 PM 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network 


> Lembit, wrong list for this question, should be the tech list. 
> 
> Huumm 
> 
> 1) Using Sneakernet :-) 
> 2) The domain computermanager (if all computers are NT, 2K, XPPRO and 
> added in the domain) 
> 3) Use a tool like iInventory (former LanAudit) 
> http://www.iinventory.com 
> Is a free tool up to 25 pc's. BUT, you need to be able to run a small 
> program on each computer from the logon script or manual using 
> sneakernet :-) or convince the user by phone to run it from a server or 
> diskette. 
> 
> 
> Erwin 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik 
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:21 PM 
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
> Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network 
> 
> Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network? 
> thank you 
> 
> Lembit 
> 
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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Mon Nov 24 11:13:26 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:13:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEF8@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <013701c3b2ae$46708a20$0200a8c0@S856>

thanks Erwin,
will check iInventory

Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:48 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network


> Hoe hoe
>
> Don't know, maybe there exist some tools/controls for domain manager
> (NT) and/or Active directory services (W2K up).
>
> Maybe you should consider looking at iInventory. They store the data in
> a Access database and inventories also software on computers.
>
> And again if u use domain manager/active directory all computers must be
> in the domain (this can only be true for NT, W2K, XP pro).
>
> There are some dos tools like "net view" but they do not always show all
> computers, only those who are on and depending on the os if they have
> netbeui installed or not....
> And whom are in the same workgroup/domain....
>
> Only sure thing is to run iInventory on each computer.
> Or using sneakernet :-)
>
> Erwin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:30 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
>
> thanks, Erwin,
> but its the right list, since I want to do it from Access (A2k)
>
> can I use the domain computermanager from within Access VB?
>
> Lembit Soobik
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Erwin Craps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
>
>
> > Lembit, wrong list for this question, should be the tech list.
> >
> > Huumm
> >
> > 1) Using Sneakernet :-)
> > 2) The domain computermanager (if all computers are NT, 2K, XPPRO and
> > added in the domain)
> > 3) Use a tool like iInventory (former LanAudit)
> > http://www.iinventory.com
> > Is a free tool up to 25 pc's. BUT, you need to be able to run a small
> > program on each computer from the logon script or manual using
> > sneakernet :-) or convince the user by phone to run it from a server
> or
> > diskette.
> >
> >
> > Erwin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit
> Soobik
> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:21 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
> >
> > Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network?
> > thank you
> >
> > Lembit
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >
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From adtp at touchtelindia.net  Mon Nov 24 11:00:47 2003
From: adtp at touchtelindia.net (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:30:47 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Freezing a datasheet rows like in Excel
References: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFKEFNDIAA.askolits@ot.com>
Message-ID: <00e201c3b2ae$2ede7390$86edf73d@winxp>

John,

    You might like to take a look at sample database named FreezeDatasheetRows.mdb at Rogers Access Library (Other Developers).

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Skolits 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 02:09
  Subject: [AccessD] Freezing a datasheet rows like in Excel


  Anyone know a way to allow a user to freeze rows in a datasheet view like
  you can freeze a frame in Excel?

  John Skolits


From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Mon Nov 24 11:13:59 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:13:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
References: <24248381.1069693096180.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
Message-ID: <013d01c3b2ae$5a01b1e0$0200a8c0@S856>

thank you, Paul
that sounds simple

Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <paul.hartland at fsmail.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network


> Couldn't you write a couple of lines of code to execute the following from a
command prompt
> Net View > filename.txt
> then import the file directly into Access.... ????
> Paul Hartland
>
>
>
>
> Message date : Nov 24 2003, 04:34 PM
> >From : Lembit Soobik
> To : Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Copy to :
> Subject : Re: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
> thanks, Erwin,
> but its the right list, since I want to do it from Access (A2k)
>
> can I use the domain computermanager from within Access VB?
>
> Lembit Soobik
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Erwin Craps"
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
>
>
> > Lembit, wrong list for this question, should be the tech list.
> >
> > Huumm
> >
> > 1) Using Sneakernet :-)
> > 2) The domain computermanager (if all computers are NT, 2K, XPPRO and
> > added in the domain)
> > 3) Use a tool like iInventory (former LanAudit)
> > http://www.iinventory.com
> > Is a free tool up to 25 pc's. BUT, you need to be able to run a small
> > program on each computer from the logon script or manual using
> > sneakernet :-) or convince the user by phone to run it from a server or
> > diskette.
> >
> >
> > Erwin
> >
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik
> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:21 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
> >
> > Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network?
> > thank you
> >
> > Lembit
> >
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> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Nov 24 12:20:05 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:20:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
In-Reply-To: <22527820.1069696515297.JavaMail.root@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <000001c3b2b7$98b76160$de1811d8@DanWaters>

The mouse wheel works fine for me in the code window.  I'm using Access XP
on Windows XP, but have used other office version with other Windows
versions and I can't remember not being able to use the mouse wheel.  I'm
currently using a Fellowes Mini Web Pro mouse (which is very nice if anyone
happens to be looking for a small optical mouse).

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


The scroll wheel does not work in the Visual Basic Editor in *any* of the
Office apps ... Thank goodness.  I personally could live nicely without
scroll wheels on mice in any environment.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Brosdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de] 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


Hello,

my mousewheel does not work in the VBA windows of Access 2000 - I am unable
to scroll through the code with the wheel. In other applications and even in
Access it works fine. Is that a known problem? Is there any way to make it
work? I am using a Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 with current
Microsoft drivers, but the same problems occurs with Logitech mice..

TIA,

Michael

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From artful at rogers.com  Mon Nov 24 15:44:55 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:44:55 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631244A@INFOSERVER01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000001c3b2d4$3ba780f0$6701a8c0@rock>

Sorry to play the pessimist, but there IS such a thing as a one-time
app: the one that doesn't work :-)

To put it another way, if you haven't got time to do it right, where
will you find the time to do it again?

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation


Gina,

There is no such thing as a one-time use application, trust me.  If it
works, they'll want to keep using it.  



From michael.broesdorf at web.de  Mon Nov 24 13:10:34 2003
From: michael.broesdorf at web.de (=?us-ascii?Q?Michael_Brosdorf?=)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:10:34 +0100
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631247A@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHCELLEOAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>

Charlotte,

I am so used to it, I catch myself trying to use the wheel on mice missing
one...
Navigating through large documents is so much easier!

There ws this funny experience when a colleague asked me to fix something on
his Word document. He was using Word for Macintosh. I was desperately trying
to bring up the context menu using the right mouse key. However, it took a
while for me to realize that Macintosh computers only have on mouse key...

Michael

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Foust
Gesendet: Montag, 24. November 2003 17:44
An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Betreff: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


The scroll wheel does not work in the Visual Basic Editor in *any* of
the Office apps ... Thank goodness.  I personally could live nicely
without scroll wheels on mice in any environment.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Brosdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


Hello,

my mousewheel does not work in the VBA windows of Access 2000 - I am
unable to scroll through the code with the wheel. In other applications
and even in Access it works fine. Is that a known problem? Is there any
way to make it work? I am using a Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0
with current Microsoft drivers, but the same problems occurs with
Logitech mice..

TIA,

Michael

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov 24 15:02:35 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:02:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275DB@main2.marlow.com>

The Compile on Demand is an option that either compiles your code in it's
entirety when your application starts (the option would be off for this..),
or compiles it when it is required (when you have Compile on Demand on). The
big difference is startup speed.  If you project has a lot of code, if you
don't use 'Compile on Demand', you are going to get a startup delay as
Access compiles the VBA code.  The second option (background compile) is a
subset of compile on demand.  If you have compile on demand set, you can use
the background compile option to have Access compile it's code during idle
time periods.

The reason you have these options, is because VBA is a 'higher' language,
which means it makes sense (or it should...) to a human.  But the CPU itself
still requires machine language to be sent to it, so your VBA code must be
compiled into machine language, in order for the CPU to carry out your
instructions.  I wonder if you have the Compile on Demand turned off, if you
wouldn't be allowed to make changes to code on the fly, when the application
is running.  Hmmmm.....

Anyhow, I don't see a real reason to not have both options checked.  If you
want your code to be compiled all the time, use an .mde.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.


 
 
Hi
 
I was wondering something.
In the VBA editor in options>common(?)>Compile
You can click two options for compiling.
I have the dutch version and I find that the help is poorly explaining
the exact use of these options (if not for everything:-(.
Compile at request and background compiling.
 
I wonder if anyone could explain me what those options do and what best
choice is...
 

 

Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder 

www.ithelps.be/jonathan

 

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov 24 15:05:11 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:05:11 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275DC@main2.marlow.com>

My IBM Aptiva came with a mouse that had a 'joystick' instead of a scroll
wheel.  (So you could scroll left-right and up-down).  Funny thing, it also
worked in the Visual Basic Editor window.  When I started working at Marlow,
I tried bringing that mouse in to work, but it just didn't seem to work
unless it was plugged into the Aptiva it came with.  (The mouse worked, just
not the joystick.)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


The scroll wheel does not work in the Visual Basic Editor in *any* of
the Office apps ... Thank goodness.  I personally could live nicely
without scroll wheels on mice in any environment.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Brosdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de] 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


Hello,

my mousewheel does not work in the VBA windows of Access 2000 - I am
unable to scroll through the code with the wheel. In other applications
and even in Access it works fine. Is that a known problem? Is there any
way to make it work? I am using a Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0
with current Microsoft drivers, but the same problems occurs with
Logitech mice..

TIA,

Michael

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov 24 15:06:51 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:06:51 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275DD@main2.marlow.com>

Oh sure, just give out the real site! <grin> 

Drew

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From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


I think that you mean www.persits.com.  :)

Bobby

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To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


persists.com They have a component called ASPEmail.  You can use it with VBA
too.  Just give it the SMTP server, and you are off and running.  It has
both a free and 'pro' versions.  The free is pretty decent, does all of the
basic email functions.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Charlotte,

You said, 'Feel free to write your own."  

I've looked at the Redemption web site, and while it's not too expensive,
all I really need is to be able to send simple emails from within Access
without the 'are you sure' dialog.  Do you know where I could learn enough
about Extended MAPI to do just this?

Thanks,
Dan Waters



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


This thread seems to be degenerating into Microsoft bashing and rant, but
let me clarify something.  The Redemption dll is NOT a control.  It is a
library that you call into, a wrapper for Extended MAPI calls. Feel free to
write your own ... Or to use a different email application ... Or to use
SMTP instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...



The Outlook security patch is a half-assed reaction to what was at the time
a big press issue.  With repeated massive virus attacks crippling mail
servers world wide, they had to appear do something for public image and if
it helped lessen the problem all the better.  This was quick and dirty and
since it was done, it stuck, but at least in later office versions you could
uncripple outlook for certain things.  Why is it half assed?

1. It is indiscriminate and broke a lot of existing and widely used
applications that hooked into outlook.  Remember that Office and vba is
supposed to be all about flexibility developing solutions.  They broke that
big time.

2. It isn't about fixing security vulnerabilites.  MS has had plenty of
security vulnerabilites and they fix those with minor patches, not wholesale
surgery on applications.  The patch doesn't stop you receiving viruses, or
running them, or them sending mail out simple inbuilt smtp engines which
most successful trojans have had for years.  By and large viruses/trojan in
this day and age do not use security vulnerabilities as their primary means
of infection.

3. And this is the kicker for me.  If redemption bypasses security by using
extended mapi, how long will it really be before some virus/trojan writer
uses extended mapi to access the address book.  Remember the majority of
viruses these days are trojans not scripts.  They don't use security
vulnerabilites to spread and infect, they use social engineering to trick
people into thinking they are from people they know.

So should I now spend US$200 on a control that may well be crippled sometime
soon as MS uses the same half baked strategy again.  If they are going to
close access to the address book why not close it the first time, and not
leave a back door that will spawn another generation of super spreading
viruses? 

It it worth trying to bypass Outlook security?  If I can bypass it with a
simple control, so any decent virus writer with half a brain can build the
same into his newest attack.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, 21 November, 2003 8:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
> 
> 
> On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:
> 
> > 
> > >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that
> turns it on. (A2K)
> > Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious
> VBScript code from
> > propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your
> clients not to
> > install security patches so your email code will work?
> > 
> > 
> I'm with JC 100% on this one.
> 
> The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting
> machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's 
> not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.
> 
> It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess
> communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite 
> paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which has 
> the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing 
> applications.
> 
> Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
> (At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email
> programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about 
> it at all <VBG>)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov 24 15:13:03 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:13:03 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275DE@main2.marlow.com>

Just out of curiousity...why?  I only ask, because you can do this with VBA,
the process would be to get the subnet of the machine you are on (API
calls), then do a DNS reverse lookup on every IP address in the subnet (more
API calls).  The question is, why do you want to know this?  Just curious...

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network


Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network?
thank you

Lembit 

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From pedro at plex.nl  Mon Nov 24 14:28:42 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:28:42 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] mailmerge Format Yes\No
Message-ID: <000601c3b2d1$208bfce0$f7c581d5@pedro>

Hello Group,


i use mailmerge for creating word-documents from access.
This is done by using code.

The following line is a peace of this code:
item("Drawing").value = Nz(Me![txtDrawing])

in word i use the following code with properties
{DOCPROPERTY "Drawing" \*MERGEFORMAT}

txtDrawing is a checkbox. In the word-document i get as result: -1 or 0

i would like Yes \ No or in Dutch Ja \ Nee

i tried things like:
item("Drawing").value = Format(Nz(Me![txtDrawing]), "Ja \ Nee")

or

{DOCPROPERTY "Drawing" \@"Ja \ Nee" \*MERGEFORMAT}

with no result.

How can i get the good format?

TIA

Pedro Janssen




From pedro at plex.nl  Mon Nov 24 15:21:51 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:21:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates
Message-ID: <000801c3b2d1$22d6d740$f7c581d5@pedro>

Hello Group,
 
 
I have a table with two fields which are X and Y coordinates. 
 
X                     Y
  97,234           234,632
  98,456           257,678
107,453           278,945
107,234           278,346
109,123           245,567
 
i need as result
 
X                     Y
  97,500           237,500
  97,500           257,500
107,500           277,500
107,500           277,500
 
on the result i would like a distinct.
 


Can this be done in one query?
 
TIA
 
Pedro Janssen


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 24 15:37:41 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:37:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631247E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I wouldn't call that a one-time app, Arthur.  If it doesn't work, it
won't be used the first time. <G>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 1:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation


Sorry to play the pessimist, but there IS such a thing as a one-time
app: the one that doesn't work :-)

To put it another way, if you haven't got time to do it right, where
will you find the time to do it again?

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Primary Key Violation


Gina,

There is no such thing as a one-time use application, trust me.  If it
works, they'll want to keep using it.  


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 24 15:39:50 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:39:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631247F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

That's interesting because I'm using Access XP on WinXP with a Microsoft
mouse and it does NOT work in any of the VBE windows.  Nor does it work
in Office 2000 on my Win2k machine (with a super mini mouse).  Do you
have some kind of special magic you worked in the registry?  I don't
want to use it, but maybe someone else will.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


The mouse wheel works fine for me in the code window.  I'm using Access
XP on Windows XP, but have used other office version with other Windows
versions and I can't remember not being able to use the mouse wheel.
I'm currently using a Fellowes Mini Web Pro mouse (which is very nice if
anyone happens to be looking for a small optical mouse).

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


The scroll wheel does not work in the Visual Basic Editor in *any* of
the Office apps ... Thank goodness.  I personally could live nicely
without scroll wheels on mice in any environment.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Brosdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de] 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


Hello,

my mousewheel does not work in the VBA windows of Access 2000 - I am
unable to scroll through the code with the wheel. In other applications
and even in Access it works fine. Is that a known problem? Is there any
way to make it work? I am using a Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0
with current Microsoft drivers, but the same problems occurs with
Logitech mice..

TIA,

Michael

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Nov 24 16:22:34 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:22:34 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
In-Reply-To: <10857578.1069710579708.JavaMail.root@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <000001c3b2d9$756d4a90$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Charlotte,

I couldn't find anything relevant in any Access option settings.  In the
control panel for the mouse, there is an advanced wheel setting where you
can specify applications where the mouse wheel does not work.  It's possible
that Access is included in this list on your PC.  For survival's sake I stay
out of the registry!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 3:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


That's interesting because I'm using Access XP on WinXP with a Microsoft
mouse and it does NOT work in any of the VBE windows.  Nor does it work in
Office 2000 on my Win2k machine (with a super mini mouse).  Do you have some
kind of special magic you worked in the registry?  I don't want to use it,
but maybe someone else will.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


The mouse wheel works fine for me in the code window.  I'm using Access XP
on Windows XP, but have used other office version with other Windows
versions and I can't remember not being able to use the mouse wheel. I'm
currently using a Fellowes Mini Web Pro mouse (which is very nice if anyone
happens to be looking for a small optical mouse).

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


The scroll wheel does not work in the Visual Basic Editor in *any* of the
Office apps ... Thank goodness.  I personally could live nicely without
scroll wheels on mice in any environment.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Brosdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de] 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


Hello,

my mousewheel does not work in the VBA windows of Access 2000 - I am unable
to scroll through the code with the wheel. In other applications and even in
Access it works fine. Is that a known problem? Is there any way to make it
work? I am using a Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 with current
Microsoft drivers, but the same problems occurs with Logitech mice..

TIA,

Michael

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Nov 24 16:23:38 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:23:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
In-Reply-To: <28922294.1069708927653.JavaMail.root@sniper.marix.com>
Message-ID: <000101c3b2d9$9ee1c770$de1811d8@DanWaters>

It's OK.  I knew what Drew meant!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 3:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Oh sure, just give out the real site! <grin> 

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


I think that you mean www.persits.com.  :)

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


persists.com They have a component called ASPEmail.  You can use it with VBA
too.  Just give it the SMTP server, and you are off and running.  It has
both a free and 'pro' versions.  The free is pretty decent, does all of the
basic email functions.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


Charlotte,

You said, 'Feel free to write your own."  

I've looked at the Redemption web site, and while it's not too expensive,
all I really need is to be able to send simple emails from within Access
without the 'are you sure' dialog.  Do you know where I could learn enough
about Extended MAPI to do just this?

Thanks,
Dan Waters



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...


This thread seems to be degenerating into Microsoft bashing and rant, but
let me clarify something.  The Redemption dll is NOT a control.  It is a
library that you call into, a wrapper for Extended MAPI calls. Feel free to
write your own ... Or to use a different email application ... Or to use
SMTP instead.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Sanders [mailto:stuart at pacific.net.hk] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...



The Outlook security patch is a half-assed reaction to what was at the time
a big press issue.  With repeated massive virus attacks crippling mail
servers world wide, they had to appear do something for public image and if
it helped lessen the problem all the better.  This was quick and dirty and
since it was done, it stuck, but at least in later office versions you could
uncripple outlook for certain things.  Why is it half assed?

1. It is indiscriminate and broke a lot of existing and widely used
applications that hooked into outlook.  Remember that Office and vba is
supposed to be all about flexibility developing solutions.  They broke that
big time.

2. It isn't about fixing security vulnerabilites.  MS has had plenty of
security vulnerabilites and they fix those with minor patches, not wholesale
surgery on applications.  The patch doesn't stop you receiving viruses, or
running them, or them sending mail out simple inbuilt smtp engines which
most successful trojans have had for years.  By and large viruses/trojan in
this day and age do not use security vulnerabilities as their primary means
of infection.

3. And this is the kicker for me.  If redemption bypasses security by using
extended mapi, how long will it really be before some virus/trojan writer
uses extended mapi to access the address book.  Remember the majority of
viruses these days are trojans not scripts.  They don't use security
vulnerabilites to spread and infect, they use social engineering to trick
people into thinking they are from people they know.

So should I now spend US$200 on a control that may well be crippled sometime
soon as MS uses the same half baked strategy again.  If they are going to
close access to the address book why not close it the first time, and not
leave a back door that will spawn another generation of super spreading
viruses? 

It it worth trying to bypass Outlook security?  If I can bypass it with a
simple control, so any decent virus writer with half a brain can build the
same into his newest attack.

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, 21 November, 2003 8:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Redemption DLL WAS: Poll: How many versions...
> 
> 
> On 20 Nov 2003 at 17:55, Brett Barabash wrote:
> 
> > 
> > >I bypassing it by not installing the service pack that
> turns it on. (A2K)
> > Not installing a security service pack to stop malicious
> VBScript code from
> > propogating viruses IS a big deal.  Are you advising your
> clients not to
> > install security patches so your email code will work?
> > 
> > 
> I'm with JC 100% on this one.
> 
> The "security" patch is not about stopping viruses from infecting 
> machines. It's not about stopping viruses from causing damage. It's 
> not about stopiing viruses from doing anything.
> 
> It's about stopping the perfectly legitimate function of interprocess 
> communication which is supposed at the heart of the MS software suite 
> paradigm.  It's a half-witted attempt at arse covering by MS which has 
> the side effect of destroying the functionality of many existing 
> applications.
> 
> Yes I am advising my clients not to instal it.
> (At least the ones who don't heed my other advice to use non-MS email 
> programs. My Pegasus/Mercury using clients don't have to worry about 
> it at all <VBG>)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
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> Support.
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Nov 24 16:33:39 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:33:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
In-Reply-To: <008701c3b2a0$1dfbd260$0200a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <3FC313E3.2383.423894@localhost>

On 24 Nov 2003 at 16:21, Lembit Soobik wrote:

> Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network?
> thank you
> 
One way would be to use a tool like Angry IP Scanner
http://www.angryziber.com/ipscan/

 
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From pedro at plex.nl  Mon Nov 24 16:36:47 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 23:36:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates (correction)
References: <000801c3b2d1$22d6d740$f7c581d5@pedro>
Message-ID: <001301c3b2db$72f47070$f7c581d5@pedro>

I made some mistakes with the data, below is the correction


I have a table with two fields which are X and Y coordinates. 

X                     Y
  97,234           234,632
  98,456           257,678
107,453           278,945
107,234           278,346
109,123           242,134
  
 i need as result
  
 X                     Y
  97,500           232,500
  97,500           257,500
107,500           277,500
107,500           277,500
107,500           242,500

on the result i would like a distinct.
  
 Can this be done in one query?
  
 TIA
  
 Pedro Janssen

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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Mon Nov 24 16:53:46 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:53:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8631247F@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <PBEDKHOENPLNGHCEPCDPAEDMDFAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>


  You need to load the mouse driver pack for your model. If you only allow
Win XP to install it's drivers for the mouse, it will not work in all
environments....

Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


That's interesting because I'm using Access XP on WinXP with a Microsoft
mouse and it does NOT work in any of the VBE windows.  Nor does it work
in Office 2000 on my Win2k machine (with a super mini mouse).  Do you
have some kind of special magic you worked in the registry?  I don't
want to use it, but maybe someone else will.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


The mouse wheel works fine for me in the code window.  I'm using Access
XP on Windows XP, but have used other office version with other Windows
versions and I can't remember not being able to use the mouse wheel.
I'm currently using a Fellowes Mini Web Pro mouse (which is very nice if
anyone happens to be looking for a small optical mouse).

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


The scroll wheel does not work in the Visual Basic Editor in *any* of
the Office apps ... Thank goodness.  I personally could live nicely
without scroll wheels on mice in any environment.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Brosdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


Hello,

my mousewheel does not work in the VBA windows of Access 2000 - I am
unable to scroll through the code with the wheel. In other applications
and even in Access it works fine. Is that a known problem? Is there any
way to make it work? I am using a Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0
with current Microsoft drivers, but the same problems occurs with
Logitech mice..

TIA,

Michael

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From my.lists at verizon.net  Mon Nov 24 17:12:51 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:12:51 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Re: A2K - Access send email via Groupwise (non-SMTP)
In-Reply-To: <000501c3b2da$6bcc4670$f1c683a5@eau1lnc54198>
References: <COELIMJILMGKEBDDELHFCEHKCBAA.lauren_horn@health.state.ak.us>
	<000501c3b2da$6bcc4670$f1c683a5@eau1lnc54198>
Message-ID: <3FC29073.7060209@verizon.net>

I just finished putting together an SSD that has the "blat" function we use in order to email out.  You'll need to add your own Mail Server IP and UserID and Password, in order for it to work and also d/l a copy of blat from it's home page, I've included the link in the SSD for those who wish to try it out.  Blatint email has been so easy that I don't have to worry about such things as the SR patches nor any other limitations brought up from CDO's or SendMail or event the Mapi functions on like the one on the Trigeminal (sp?) site.

I'll be forwarding the SSD to Roger's site but until then anyone who would like a copy can email me OTL.
-- 
-Francisco


Duane Hookom wrote:

>Try this link from mvps.org. I think this is for Access 97
>
>http://www.mvps.org/access/modules/mdl0059.htm
>
>
>Duane Hookom
>Microsoft Access MVP
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Lauren Horn" <lauren_horn at HEALTH.STATE.AK.US>
>To: <ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
>Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:12 PM
>Subject: Re: A2K - Access send email via Groupwise (non-SMTP)
>
>
>  
>
>>I haven't done it, but I've heard others say they have.
>>
>>You might want to check the PDF and Mail Class Libary for Access on this
>>site:
>>http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/attac-cg/
>>
>>    
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Microsoft Access Database Discussion List
>>>[mailto:ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM]On Behalf Of Kevin Carpenter
>>>Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:41 AM
>>>To: ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
>>>Subject: A2K - Access send email via Groupwise (non-SMTP)
>>>
>>>
>>>Can it do it?
>>>
>>>Has anyone done it?
>>>
>>>-:>Kevin
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 24 17:16:00 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:16:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312480@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Aha!  I knew there was a reason for not loading mouse software! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Gracie [mailto:Subscriptions at servicexp.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 2:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window



  You need to load the mouse driver pack for your model. If you only
allow Win XP to install it's drivers for the mouse, it will not work in
all environments....

Robert Gracie
www.servicexp.com



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


That's interesting because I'm using Access XP on WinXP with a Microsoft
mouse and it does NOT work in any of the VBE windows.  Nor does it work
in Office 2000 on my Win2k machine (with a super mini mouse).  Do you
have some kind of special magic you worked in the registry?  I don't
want to use it, but maybe someone else will.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


The mouse wheel works fine for me in the code window.  I'm using Access
XP on Windows XP, but have used other office version with other Windows
versions and I can't remember not being able to use the mouse wheel. I'm
currently using a Fellowes Mini Web Pro mouse (which is very nice if
anyone happens to be looking for a small optical mouse).

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


The scroll wheel does not work in the Visual Basic Editor in *any* of
the Office apps ... Thank goodness.  I personally could live nicely
without scroll wheels on mice in any environment.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Brosdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


Hello,

my mousewheel does not work in the VBA windows of Access 2000 - I am
unable to scroll through the code with the wheel. In other applications
and even in Access it works fine. Is that a known problem? Is there any
way to make it work? I am using a Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0
with current Microsoft drivers, but the same problems occurs with
Logitech mice..

TIA,

Michael

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov 24 17:17:44 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:17:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
References: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB045@ADGSERVER>
	<008701c3b2a0$1dfbd260$0200a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <003501c3b2e1$2fb78d50$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0058.htm

...the workstation names are included in the level 2 data ...HTH :)

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lembit Soobik" <Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:21 AM
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network


> Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network?
> thank you
>
> Lembit
>
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From tomk at multiline.com.au  Mon Nov 24 17:37:32 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 07:37:32 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL Server
References: 	<916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB045@ADGSERVER><008701c3b2a0$1dfbd260$0200a8c0@S856>
	<003501c3b2e1$2fb78d50$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <003001c3b2e3$f0e1dc40$0300a8c0@print>

Hi all...

I contract to a large company producing some goods which require me to
process 450 individual orders each month. These orders come from 450
different sources and are (currently) sent to me via 450 individual excel
spreadsheets. To this end I have developed an Access database to process
these orders and also produce the goods.

In the New Year the company is going to change their ordering system to SQL
server and all orders will be placed over the Web therefore centralising
their ordering system. They have asked me what information I need to produce
what I normally do from the server. I think the move is WELL overdue BUT...

I  know little (OK... NOTHING) about SQL server and its capabilities and
would not know the most efficient way of extracting the data.

The data I need is Customer name and address (approx 450), Description of
goods (Up to 700 items Per customer), and quantity to buy.

My head tells me that read only access to a query via ODBC into SQL Server
is the way to go   but many of you are working with Access AND SQL server
and I thought I would ask within the group for advice.

Can I talk technically about SQL server the way I talk about Access ....ie
is the terminology the same as in Tables, Queries, Forms and Modules etc
(certainly dont want to appear stupid when talking about it)

What connection options are there (I am physically 3000 miles from the
server)

The little I have gleaned about SQL server suggests that it is like the "Big
Brother" to Access which means that I can talk about it the way I would talk
about Access but ......am I correct?

As always any help would be appreciated

Regards

Tom Keatley




From djkr at msn.com  Mon Nov 24 17:55:48 2003
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 23:55:48 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates
In-Reply-To: <000801c3b2d1$22d6d740$f7c581d5@pedro>
Message-ID: <007901c3b2e6$7b9684b0$bf00a8c0@dabsight>

Pedro

You don't say how the results relate to the data - or am I missing something
obvious?

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Pedro Janssen
> Sent: 24 November 2003 21:22
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates
> 
> 
> Hello Group,
>  
>  
> I have a table with two fields which are X and Y coordinates. 
>  
> X                     Y
>   97,234           234,632
>   98,456           257,678
> 107,453           278,945
> 107,234           278,346
> 109,123           245,567
>  
> i need as result
>  
> X                     Y
>   97,500           237,500
>   97,500           257,500
> 107,500           277,500
> 107,500           277,500
>  
> on the result i would like a distinct.
>  
> 
> 
> Can this be done in one query?
>  
> TIA
>  
> Pedro Janssen
> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon Nov 24 18:20:45 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:20:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL Server
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275E3@main2.marlow.com>

I must admit I am a relative newbie to digging into SQL Server, but I can
give you a few pointers.  

First of all, the data terminology is similar, but SQL is JUST a backend.
No forms, no modules, no reports.  Since it is a server side db, it has
options not available with Access, such as data triggers.  

Secondly, I haven't found SQL server to be all that difficult to mess around
with.  The Enterprise Manager (it's administrative interface) is pretty well
organized, and thus it's easy to import, export, edit and view data directly
in the database.  Didn't take much time at all to pick up.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Keatley [mailto:tomk at multiline.com.au]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL Server


Hi all...

I contract to a large company producing some goods which require me to
process 450 individual orders each month. These orders come from 450
different sources and are (currently) sent to me via 450 individual excel
spreadsheets. To this end I have developed an Access database to process
these orders and also produce the goods.

In the New Year the company is going to change their ordering system to SQL
server and all orders will be placed over the Web therefore centralising
their ordering system. They have asked me what information I need to produce
what I normally do from the server. I think the move is WELL overdue BUT...

I  know little (OK... NOTHING) about SQL server and its capabilities and
would not know the most efficient way of extracting the data.

The data I need is Customer name and address (approx 450), Description of
goods (Up to 700 items Per customer), and quantity to buy.

My head tells me that read only access to a query via ODBC into SQL Server
is the way to go   but many of you are working with Access AND SQL server
and I thought I would ask within the group for advice.

Can I talk technically about SQL server the way I talk about Access ....ie
is the terminology the same as in Tables, Queries, Forms and Modules etc
(certainly dont want to appear stupid when talking about it)

What connection options are there (I am physically 3000 miles from the
server)

The little I have gleaned about SQL server suggests that it is like the "Big
Brother" to Access which means that I can talk about it the way I would talk
about Access but ......am I correct?

As always any help would be appreciated

Regards

Tom Keatley



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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Mon Nov 24 18:34:37 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:34:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <003001c3b2e3$f0e1dc40$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <001901c3b2eb$e92faba0$7001a8c0@COA3>

Well, not exactly ... Tables are tables, but ... In SQL Server, the
eqivalent of a query is a View.  SQL Stored Procedures are roughly
equivalent to Modules (but they are written in T-SQL, not VBA ...
Although they are saying that in some future version you can write SP's
in VB.net ... I can't wait for that, I hate T-SQL!)... And SP's can
return data (like views) or execute insert/update/delete commands. 

BUT ... There are no Forms/Reports; you still need Access (or VB, or ASP
pages) to be the Front End for your users.  

You can use Access as the FE, and link tables (or views) as you would a
back-end .mdb.  So, you *might* get away with a copy of your current
.mdb, linked to a View of the same name(s) as you current tables, with
no other changes to the current Access application.  

Hope this is a good start,

Steve






-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tom Keatley
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 6:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL Server


Hi all...

I contract to a large company producing some goods which require me to
process 450 individual orders each month. These orders come from 450
different sources and are (currently) sent to me via 450 individual
excel spreadsheets. To this end I have developed an Access database to
process these orders and also produce the goods.

In the New Year the company is going to change their ordering system to
SQL server and all orders will be placed over the Web therefore
centralising their ordering system. They have asked me what information
I need to produce what I normally do from the server. I think the move
is WELL overdue BUT...

I  know little (OK... NOTHING) about SQL server and its capabilities and
would not know the most efficient way of extracting the data.

The data I need is Customer name and address (approx 450), Description
of goods (Up to 700 items Per customer), and quantity to buy.

My head tells me that read only access to a query via ODBC into SQL
Server
is the way to go   but many of you are working with Access AND SQL
server
and I thought I would ask within the group for advice.

Can I talk technically about SQL server the way I talk about Access
....ie is the terminology the same as in Tables, Queries, Forms and
Modules etc (certainly dont want to appear stupid when talking about it)

What connection options are there (I am physically 3000 miles from the
server)

The little I have gleaned about SQL server suggests that it is like the
"Big Brother" to Access which means that I can talk about it the way I
would talk about Access but ......am I correct?

As always any help would be appreciated

Regards

Tom Keatley



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From my.lists at verizon.net  Mon Nov 24 19:20:12 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco H Tapia)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:20:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <001901c3b2eb$e92faba0$7001a8c0@COA3>
References: <001901c3b2eb$e92faba0$7001a8c0@COA3>
Message-ID: <3FC2AE4C.7070703@verizon.net>

Don't talk about SQL Sever as Access big brother.  SQL Server is a robust engine which specifically addresses the need for Very Large Databases (vldb).  Things are handled a lot more diffrent in SQL Server in that you now will normally not want to allow users or processes to touch the actual table via a simple ODBC connection, instead you will create VIEWS which are like queries but cannot take parameters.  To use parameters you will need to use Stored Procedures which are written in TSQL which should be easy enough for you to grasp if you've ever used VBA.  Lastly TSQL is an awesome tool.  Using Sql Server 2000 and Query Analyzer you can even debug a stored procedure.

In Sql Server you can write scripts (in TSQL) that run on the SQL Agent, and you can schedule this to fire on a trigger, alert, or schedule.

lastly if you are trying to find the shortest point between 2 lines then the view option mentioned below is probably the most optimal.  If your Acces Front End is simply for data import then this is very acceptable, if not, then it is a plausible solution for the interim, while you work on a more robust interface using an Access Data Project which is simply a front end to Sql Server.

lastly sign up to the dba-sqlserver list and also the Sql Server Central Home website, it is very informative and has a very robust library of SQL Scripts.

http://www.sqlservercentral.com/default.asp

-- 
-Francisco


Developer wrote:

>Well, not exactly ... Tables are tables, but ... In SQL Server, the
>eqivalent of a query is a View.  SQL Stored Procedures are roughly
>equivalent to Modules (but they are written in T-SQL, not VBA ...
>Although they are saying that in some future version you can write SP's
>in VB.net ... I can't wait for that, I hate T-SQL!)... And SP's can
>return data (like views) or execute insert/update/delete commands. 
>
>BUT ... There are no Forms/Reports; you still need Access (or VB, or ASP
>pages) to be the Front End for your users.  
>
>You can use Access as the FE, and link tables (or views) as you would a
>back-end .mdb.  So, you *might* get away with a copy of your current
>.mdb, linked to a View of the same name(s) as you current tables, with
>no other changes to the current Access application.  
>
>Hope this is a good start,
>
>Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tom Keatley
>Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 6:38 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL Server
>
>
>Hi all...
>
>I contract to a large company producing some goods which require me to
>process 450 individual orders each month. These orders come from 450
>different sources and are (currently) sent to me via 450 individual
>excel spreadsheets. To this end I have developed an Access database to
>process these orders and also produce the goods.
>
>In the New Year the company is going to change their ordering system to
>SQL server and all orders will be placed over the Web therefore
>centralising their ordering system. They have asked me what information
>I need to produce what I normally do from the server. I think the move
>is WELL overdue BUT...
>
>I  know little (OK... NOTHING) about SQL server and its capabilities and
>would not know the most efficient way of extracting the data.
>
>The data I need is Customer name and address (approx 450), Description
>of goods (Up to 700 items Per customer), and quantity to buy.
>
>My head tells me that read only access to a query via ODBC into SQL
>Server
>is the way to go   but many of you are working with Access AND SQL
>server
>and I thought I would ask within the group for advice.
>
>Can I talk technically about SQL server the way I talk about Access
>....ie is the terminology the same as in Tables, Queries, Forms and
>Modules etc (certainly dont want to appear stupid when talking about it)
>
>What connection options are there (I am physically 3000 miles from the
>server)
>
>The little I have gleaned about SQL server suggests that it is like the
>"Big Brother" to Access which means that I can talk about it the way I
>would talk about Access but ......am I correct?
>
>As always any help would be appreciated
>
>Regards
>
>Tom Keatley
>
>  
>



From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Mon Nov 24 20:54:20 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:54:20 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Performance issue - QueryDef
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F29088522@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Line 3 below takes 4 seconds to execute:
 
    1.  Dim db as DAO.database, qdf as DAO.QueryDef 
    2.  set db = Currentdb() 
    3.  set qdf = db.QueryDefs("qryTransactionEntryFormGenerate")
        4.  For each prm in qdf.Parameters
        5.    prm.value = Eval(prm.Name)
        6.  Next prm
        7.  qdf.execute
 
The query is an Append query, the table being appended to is empty.  The execution time is negligible.  Why should line 4 take so long??

Stephen Bond 


Man will occasionally stumble over the truth,
but most of the time he will pick himself up
and continue on.
-- Sir Winston Churchill



From glen_mcwilliams at msn.com  Mon Nov 24 21:11:55 2003
From: glen_mcwilliams at msn.com (Glen McWilliams)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:11:55 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control
References: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059DDF@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV128ieeYnlU600007350@hotmail.com>

Kath

It should be the After Update  event, not the On Change event.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Garraway, Alun 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:06 AM
  Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  ok

  create a modul and declare a public variable.

  then for the combo on change event
  try this:

  Private Sub cboSheet1_Change()
      
      myVar = Me.cboSheet1.Value
      
  End Sub

  note: cboSheet1 is the name of my combobox
  and MyVar is the public variable in the modul
  hth
  alun


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  Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
  Pelletti
  Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 09:46
  An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Betreff: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  Hi Alan - it's just on the worksheet.
  Kath
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Garraway, Alun 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:35 PM
    Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


    hi Kath,

    is the control on an excel worksheet or are u using
    a userform?

    alun

    -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
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    Pelletti
    Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 00:38
    An: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    Betreff: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


    Can anyone tell me how to refer to a form control in Excel (in this case a combo box) so that I can read its contents into a variable in vba?

    Urgent.
    TIA


    Kath Pelletti
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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Mon Nov 24 21:14:21 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:14:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Performance issue - QueryDef
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB23AFE186@TAPPEEXCH01>

Steven,
If this is a fairly complex query, it probably takes the SQL parser a bit of
time to process it so it can generate a list of parameters.  Try opening it
in design view.  How long does it take?  Then, it has to determine whether
what the parameters are: controls on a form or otherwise.


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 8:54 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Performance issue - QueryDef

Line 3 below takes 4 seconds to execute:
 
    1.  Dim db as DAO.database, qdf as DAO.QueryDef 
    2.  set db = Currentdb() 
    3.  set qdf = db.QueryDefs("qryTransactionEntryFormGenerate")
        4.  For each prm in qdf.Parameters
        5.    prm.value = Eval(prm.Name)
        6.  Next prm
        7.  qdf.execute
 
The query is an Append query, the table being appended to is empty.  The
execution time is negligible.  Why should line 4 take so long??

Stephen Bond 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov 24 21:11:59 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:11:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <003001c3b2e3$f0e1dc40$0300a8c0@print>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEBADAAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Tom:

You do not have to give up your Access Front-End and it is straight-forward
to connect to a SQL7/2000 Back-End. 450 orders through a MS SQL DB would be
effortless on the SQL server. You can either use ODBC, setup through your
control panel or ADO-OLE, setup directly through your Access. There are a
number of steps to go through and it would be best to ask the 'list' when
you reach an impasse, on the specific problem, then continue until the next
crisis. The recommended list group to get involved with would be the SQL
list at http://dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com (That list specialists in
MS SQL issues.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Tom Keatley
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 3:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL Server


Hi all...

I contract to a large company producing some goods which require me to
process 450 individual orders each month. These orders come from 450
different sources and are (currently) sent to me via 450 individual excel
spreadsheets. To this end I have developed an Access database to process
these orders and also produce the goods.

In the New Year the company is going to change their ordering system to SQL
server and all orders will be placed over the Web therefore centralising
their ordering system. They have asked me what information I need to produce
what I normally do from the server. I think the move is WELL overdue BUT...

I  know little (OK... NOTHING) about SQL server and its capabilities and
would not know the most efficient way of extracting the data.

The data I need is Customer name and address (approx 450), Description of
goods (Up to 700 items Per customer), and quantity to buy.

My head tells me that read only access to a query via ODBC into SQL Server
is the way to go   but many of you are working with Access AND SQL server
and I thought I would ask within the group for advice.

Can I talk technically about SQL server the way I talk about Access ....ie
is the terminology the same as in Tables, Queries, Forms and Modules etc
(certainly dont want to appear stupid when talking about it)

What connection options are there (I am physically 3000 miles from the
server)

The little I have gleaned about SQL server suggests that it is like the "Big
Brother" to Access which means that I can talk about it the way I would talk
about Access but ......am I correct?

As always any help would be appreciated

Regards

Tom Keatley



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov 24 21:15:09 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:15:09 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <3FC2AE4C.7070703@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFEEBBDAAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hey Francisco...don't scare the fellow off just yet. :-)

MS SQL is simple to use but can take a life-time to master. My first
exposure to MS SQL was when the box appeared on the top of the desk. A
couple of us then received a quicky, few days of training then it was off to
install and write the front-end... :-\ and it was up and running in less
than a month, with a few hicups of course....

...and it is still running.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Francisco H
Tapia
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access to SQL Server


Don't talk about SQL Sever as Access big brother.  SQL Server is a robust
engine which specifically addresses the need for Very Large Databases
(vldb).  Things are handled a lot more diffrent in SQL Server in that you
now will normally not want to allow users or processes to touch the actual
table via a simple ODBC connection, instead you will create VIEWS which are
like queries but cannot take parameters.  To use parameters you will need to
use Stored Procedures which are written in TSQL which should be easy enough
for you to grasp if you've ever used VBA.  Lastly TSQL is an awesome tool.
Using Sql Server 2000 and Query Analyzer you can even debug a stored
procedure.

In Sql Server you can write scripts (in TSQL) that run on the SQL Agent, and
you can schedule this to fire on a trigger, alert, or schedule.

lastly if you are trying to find the shortest point between 2 lines then the
view option mentioned below is probably the most optimal.  If your Acces
Front End is simply for data import then this is very acceptable, if not,
then it is a plausible solution for the interim, while you work on a more
robust interface using an Access Data Project which is simply a front end to
Sql Server.

lastly sign up to the dba-sqlserver list and also the Sql Server Central
Home website, it is very informative and has a very robust library of SQL
Scripts.

http://www.sqlservercentral.com/default.asp

--
-Francisco


Developer wrote:

>Well, not exactly ... Tables are tables, but ... In SQL Server, the
>eqivalent of a query is a View.  SQL Stored Procedures are roughly
>equivalent to Modules (but they are written in T-SQL, not VBA ...
>Although they are saying that in some future version you can write SP's
>in VB.net ... I can't wait for that, I hate T-SQL!)... And SP's can
>return data (like views) or execute insert/update/delete commands.
>
>BUT ... There are no Forms/Reports; you still need Access (or VB, or ASP
>pages) to be the Front End for your users.
>
>You can use Access as the FE, and link tables (or views) as you would a
>back-end .mdb.  So, you *might* get away with a copy of your current
>.mdb, linked to a View of the same name(s) as you current tables, with
>no other changes to the current Access application.
>
>Hope this is a good start,
>
>Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tom Keatley
>Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 6:38 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL Server
>
>
>Hi all...
>
>I contract to a large company producing some goods which require me to
>process 450 individual orders each month. These orders come from 450
>different sources and are (currently) sent to me via 450 individual
>excel spreadsheets. To this end I have developed an Access database to
>process these orders and also produce the goods.
>
>In the New Year the company is going to change their ordering system to
>SQL server and all orders will be placed over the Web therefore
>centralising their ordering system. They have asked me what information
>I need to produce what I normally do from the server. I think the move
>is WELL overdue BUT...
>
>I  know little (OK... NOTHING) about SQL server and its capabilities and
>would not know the most efficient way of extracting the data.
>
>The data I need is Customer name and address (approx 450), Description
>of goods (Up to 700 items Per customer), and quantity to buy.
>
>My head tells me that read only access to a query via ODBC into SQL
>Server
>is the way to go   but many of you are working with Access AND SQL
>server
>and I thought I would ask within the group for advice.
>
>Can I talk technically about SQL server the way I talk about Access
>....ie is the terminology the same as in Tables, Queries, Forms and
>Modules etc (certainly dont want to appear stupid when talking about it)
>
>What connection options are there (I am physically 3000 miles from the
>server)
>
>The little I have gleaned about SQL server suggests that it is like the
>"Big Brother" to Access which means that I can talk about it the way I
>would talk about Access but ......am I correct?
>
>As always any help would be appreciated
>
>Regards
>
>Tom Keatley
>
>
>


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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Mon Nov 24 21:48:43 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:48:43 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control
References: <D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059DDF@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de>
	<000d01c3b02b$f3981ae0$6401a8c0@user>
	<BAY4-DAV1024qjpQEJh0000734e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002101c3b307$062225b0$6401a8c0@user>

Thanks Glen - I can see what you are getting at with the after_update vs. the on_Change and thanks for the sample.

It's taken me a couple of days to work out what's what with combo boxes in Excel and yours has been created with the combo box control on the forms toolbar, right? So it is an ActiveX control with on change events, value property etc. The only problem I have with that is that I am trying to create this app without ActiveX controls as it will be widely used by a client and I don't want to have any deployment issues.

The hassle of not using the ActiveXcontrol and going with the combo on the forms toolbar, though, is the lack of properties and events - it has no on change event - you can only assign a macro, define an input range, and a cell link. But I have found (YES!!) a way to reference that object in code which, coming from access vba development,  I find really strange.

1. You give the combo boxes named ranges (in my case Cbo_Entity, Cbo_CostCentre),
2. Not that the named ranges do not appear in the list of named ranges anywhere. (Why I don't know - that threw me for ages))
3. Assign a macro to the combo and in the vba window refer to that or any other combo boxes created using the syntax
    ActiveSheet.DrawingObjects("RangeNameofCombo") syntax.

eg. when my combo Cbo_Entity changes, change the source data (ie. input range)  for the other combo box Cbo_CostCentre:

Sub CboEntity_Change()    'name of assigned macro 
Dim strerrormsg As String
On Error GoTo Err_Handler

ThisWorkbook.Worksheets("lists").Activate
'
'Application.ScreenUpdating = False
ThisWorkbook.Worksheets("Lists 2").Activate
'
If Range("Sel_Entity") = 1 And (Range("Sel_Location") = 2) Then
    ThisWorkbook.Worksheets("Menu").Activate
    ActiveSheet.DrawingObjects("Cbo_CostCentre").Select                    'select the combo box
    With Selection
        .ListFillRange = "CostCentres_Range1"                                        'populate its source data with new range
        '.LinkedCell = "ExpSelection_No"
        .DropDownLines = 10
    End With
End If
--------------

Kath

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Glen McWilliams 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving ; SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  Kath,

  I was wrong, it is the On Change event. 
  See attached sample
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Kath Pelletti 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
    Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:35 AM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


    Thanks Alan - but the combo box (I used the one from the forms toolbar) does not appear to have a name property or an on change event. You can attach a macro (and therefore an event) to it but that's it - I can't find a way to refer back to that control name in the code.

    Maybe you are referring to the combo control from the Control Toolbox toolbar? I was reluctant to use that because I think I read that it would require registration on distribution??

    Kath
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Garraway, Alun 
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
      Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:06 PM
      Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


      ok

      create a modul and declare a public variable.

      then for the combo on change event
      try this:

      Private Sub cboSheet1_Change()
          
          myVar = Me.cboSheet1.Value
          
      End Sub

      note: cboSheet1 is the name of my combobox
      and MyVar is the public variable in the modul
      hth
      alun


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      Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
      [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
      Pelletti
      Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 09:46
      An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
      Betreff: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


      Hi Alan - it's just on the worksheet.
      Kath
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Garraway, Alun 
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
        Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:35 PM
        Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


        hi Kath,

        is the control on an excel worksheet or are u using
        a userform?

        alun

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        Pelletti
        Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 00:38
        An: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
        Betreff: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


        Can anyone tell me how to refer to a form control in Excel (in this case a combo box) so that I can read its contents into a variable in vba?

        Urgent.
        TIA


        Kath Pelletti
        Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
        Ph: 9505-6714
        Fax: 9505-6430
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Mon Nov 24 21:48:03 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:48:03 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Performance issue - QueryDef
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F298F37@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Thanks Brett.  It is only the 'Set qdf =' line that is slow, the params and other lines are almost instantaneous.  In Design view, the Q takes less than a second to open, less after close then re-open in Design view.

The Q itself is 3 tables, a 'one' and two 'manys', with RI enforced in the underlying tables.

Anyway, I think it's resolved ... a close db, compact, and re-open has worked wonders <vbg>.

My thanks

Stephen Bond



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2003 4:14 p.m.
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Performance issue - QueryDef
> 
> 
> Steven,
> If this is a fairly complex query, it probably takes the SQL 
> parser a bit of
> time to process it so it can generate a list of parameters.  
> Try opening it
> in design view.  How long does it take?  Then, it has to 
> determine whether
> what the parameters are: controls on a form or otherwise.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 8:54 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Performance issue - QueryDef
> 
> Line 3 below takes 4 seconds to execute:
>  
>     1.  Dim db as DAO.database, qdf as DAO.QueryDef 
>     2.  set db = Currentdb() 
>     3.  set qdf = db.QueryDefs("qryTransactionEntryFormGenerate")
>         4.  For each prm in qdf.Parameters
>         5.    prm.value = Eval(prm.Name)
>         6.  Next prm
>         7.  qdf.execute
>  
> The query is an Append query, the table being appended to is 
> empty.  The
> execution time is negligible.  Why should line 4 take so long??
> 
> Stephen Bond 
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 24 22:34:11 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:34:11 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] report field font size
In-Reply-To: <1691069107.20031124091235@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIKEGDENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi Gustav,
In between postings here I developed a rudimentary function that works well
with the few fonts (Arial, Time New Roman, etc.) I use in apps. It wouldn't
work well with many of them though because I don't actually query for font
metrics. I also found some info on this in the ADH so along with the lebans
site you sent I should have it covered if I need more depth to my solution.

Thanks,
John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 2:13 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] report field font size
>
>
> Hi John
>
> Stephen Lebans may be able to inspire you:
>
>   http://www.lebans.com/makefitsingle.htm
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Anyone have a function to set the font size in a report field
> to the maximum
> > that will fit in the control?
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From Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us  Tue Nov 25 08:50:03 2003
From: Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us (Gowey Mike W)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 07:50:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
Message-ID: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801D9FE1F@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>



Hi All,


I am trying to complete a project on a Mail Processing database.  The
one part I am stuck on now is some way for the Auto lookup of a record
everytime a number is put it.

I have a form in which it has 5 fields, the first field is the ID of the
person receiving the mail, the next four fields depend on this number to
be filled in.

What I need it to be able to do is as the user puts in a number it will
auto check the table for the ID number and fill the fields on the form
with the underlying info with out the user having to press enter or Tab
to have update or search, something like on each Key Down or Key Up.
For example say the ID to enter is 123456, when the user enters the 1 it
will do a auto check for a ID of 1 and when the user enters 2 it will do
a auto check for a ID of 12 and so forth.

I hope that makes sense.  Thanks for any info or examples anyone has to
accomplish this, if it is at all possible.


Thanks,

Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
Team Leader - SRCI
Information Systems & Services Division



From pedro at plex.nl  Tue Nov 25 08:01:48 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:01:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates
References: <007901c3b2e6$7b9684b0$bf00a8c0@dabsight>
Message-ID: <000b01c3b35d$30c875c0$fac581d5@pedro>

Hello John,

sorry that i didn't give a relation between the data and the result. I
thought that this was clear.

The result has to be the middle (2,500) from 0 to 5 when the first number
after the comma lies between this value.
The result has to be the middle (7,500) from 5 to 10 when the first number
after the comma lies between this value.

I'll hope this explains a little bit more together with the data and the
result.


Pedro



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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
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Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:55 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates


> Pedro
>
> You don't say how the results relate to the data - or am I missing
something
> obvious?
>
> John
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Pedro Janssen
> > Sent: 24 November 2003 21:22
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates
> >
> >
> > Hello Group,
> >
> >
> > I have a table with two fields which are X and Y coordinates.
> >
> > X                     Y
> >   97,234           234,632
> >   98,456           257,678
> > 107,453           278,945
> > 107,234           278,346
> > 109,123           245,567
> >
> > i need as result
> >
> > X                     Y
> >   97,500           237,500
> >   97,500           257,500
> > 107,500           277,500
> > 107,500           277,500
> >
> > on the result i would like a distinct.
> >
> >
> >
> > Can this be done in one query?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Pedro Janssen
> >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 25 08:54:17 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:54:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] test
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No traffic this morning.

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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Tue Nov 25 08:14:59 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:14:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD79A6@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Actually I'd say that as a developer you should load mouse wheel software.
Because then you'll know how your application behaves in the real world,
where almost everyone else uses wheel mice. How else are you going to test
if the measures you put in place to stop Access navigating to different
records work when the user idly twiddles the wheel?

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Charlotte Foust [SMTP:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent:	Monday, November 24, 2003 6:16 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> Aha!  I knew there was a reason for not loading mouse software! <VBG>
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Gracie [mailto:Subscriptions at servicexp.com] 
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 2:54 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> 
> 
>   You need to load the mouse driver pack for your model. If you only
> allow Win XP to install it's drivers for the mouse, it will not work in
> all environments....
> 
> Robert Gracie
> www.servicexp.com
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:40 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> 
> That's interesting because I'm using Access XP on WinXP with a Microsoft
> mouse and it does NOT work in any of the VBE windows.  Nor does it work
> in Office 2000 on my Win2k machine (with a super mini mouse).  Do you
> have some kind of special magic you worked in the registry?  I don't
> want to use it, but maybe someone else will.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:20 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> 
> The mouse wheel works fine for me in the code window.  I'm using Access
> XP on Windows XP, but have used other office version with other Windows
> versions and I can't remember not being able to use the mouse wheel. I'm
> currently using a Fellowes Mini Web Pro mouse (which is very nice if
> anyone happens to be looking for a small optical mouse).
> 
> Dan Waters
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:44 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> 
> The scroll wheel does not work in the Visual Basic Editor in *any* of
> the Office apps ... Thank goodness.  I personally could live nicely
> without scroll wheels on mice in any environment.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Brosdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de]
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:04 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> my mousewheel does not work in the VBA windows of Access 2000 - I am
> unable to scroll through the code with the wheel. In other applications
> and even in Access it works fine. Is that a known problem? Is there any
> way to make it work? I am using a Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0
> with current Microsoft drivers, but the same problems occurs with
> Logitech mice..
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Michael
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Nov 25 01:44:33 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:44:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Performance issue - QueryDef
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEFC@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Prm is not defined in your dim statement could be one issue...
 
Erwin
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Stephen Bond
Verzonden: dinsdag 25 november 2003 3:54
Aan: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Onderwerp: [AccessD] Performance issue - QueryDef

Line 3 below takes 4 seconds to execute:
 
    1.  Dim db as DAO.database, qdf as DAO.QueryDef 
    2.  set db = Currentdb() 
    3.  set qdf = db.QueryDefs("qryTransactionEntryFormGenerate")
        4.  For each prm in qdf.Parameters
        5.    prm.value = Eval(prm.Name)
        6.  Next prm
        7.  qdf.execute
 
The query is an Append query, the table being appended to is empty.  The
execution time is negligible.  Why should line 4 take so long??

Stephen Bond 


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov 25 09:25:49 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:25:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
In-Reply-To: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801D9FE1F@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
References:  <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801D9FE1F@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <826276954.20031125162549@cactus.dk>

Hi Gowey

Sound like a job for a combobox ...

/gustav

> I am trying to complete a project on a Mail Processing database.  The
> one part I am stuck on now is some way for the Auto lookup of a record
> everytime a number is put it.

> I have a form in which it has 5 fields, the first field is the ID of the
> person receiving the mail, the next four fields depend on this number to
> be filled in.

> What I need it to be able to do is as the user puts in a number it will
> auto check the table for the ID number and fill the fields on the form
> with the underlying info with out the user having to press enter or Tab
> to have update or search, something like on each Key Down or Key Up.
> For example say the ID to enter is 123456, when the user enters the 1 it
> will do a auto check for a ID of 1 and when the user enters 2 it will do
> a auto check for a ID of 12 and so forth.

> I hope that makes sense.  Thanks for any info or examples anyone has to
> accomplish this, if it is at all possible.


From Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us  Tue Nov 25 09:33:06 2003
From: Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us (Gowey Mike W)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:33:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
Message-ID: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801D9FE23@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>

Yeah it is, I got that already.  It's the rest of the puzzle that I need
to work out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Auto Lookup


Hi Gowey

Sound like a job for a combobox ...

/gustav

> I am trying to complete a project on a Mail Processing database.  The 
> one part I am stuck on now is some way for the Auto lookup of a record

> everytime a number is put it.

> I have a form in which it has 5 fields, the first field is the ID of 
> the person receiving the mail, the next four fields depend on this 
> number to be filled in.

> What I need it to be able to do is as the user puts in a number it 
> will auto check the table for the ID number and fill the fields on the

> form with the underlying info with out the user having to press enter 
> or Tab to have update or search, something like on each Key Down or 
> Key Up. For example say the ID to enter is 123456, when the user 
> enters the 1 it will do a auto check for a ID of 1 and when the user 
> enters 2 it will do a auto check for a ID of 12 and so forth.

> I hope that makes sense.  Thanks for any info or examples anyone has 
> to accomplish this, if it is at all possible.

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Nov 25 03:55:55 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:55:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEFE@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

You  known  what!.

I have this to....
But only recently, must be some update from office or the mouse
software.
I installed recently the Wireless desktop elite with downloaded software
v5..
I supose this could be the cause.
Have no time to search it out right now...

Erwin

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window

The scroll wheel does not work in the Visual Basic Editor in *any* of
the Office apps ... Thank goodness.  I personally could live nicely
without scroll wheels on mice in any environment.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Brosdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


Hello,

my mousewheel does not work in the VBA windows of Access 2000 - I am
unable to scroll through the code with the wheel. In other applications
and even in Access it works fine. Is that a known problem? Is there any
way to make it work? I am using a Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0
with current Microsoft drivers, but the same problems occurs with
Logitech mice..

TIA,

Michael

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Nov 25 01:31:59 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:31:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEFB@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Thats confirms what I was thinking.
I compile my apps compleetly before distributing, so I supose while
developing it's best having both options on?

Erwin
 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Drew Wutka
Verzonden: maandag 24 november 2003 22:03
Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.

The Compile on Demand is an option that either compiles your code in
it's entirety when your application starts (the option would be off for
this..), or compiles it when it is required (when you have Compile on
Demand on). The big difference is startup speed.  If you project has a
lot of code, if you don't use 'Compile on Demand', you are going to get
a startup delay as Access compiles the VBA code.  The second option
(background compile) is a subset of compile on demand.  If you have
compile on demand set, you can use the background compile option to have
Access compile it's code during idle time periods.

The reason you have these options, is because VBA is a 'higher'
language, which means it makes sense (or it should...) to a human.  But
the CPU itself still requires machine language to be sent to it, so your
VBA code must be compiled into machine language, in order for the CPU to
carry out your instructions.  I wonder if you have the Compile on Demand
turned off, if you wouldn't be allowed to make changes to code on the
fly, when the application is running.  Hmmmm.....

Anyhow, I don't see a real reason to not have both options checked.  If
you want your code to be compiled all the time, use an .mde.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.


 
 
Hi
 
I was wondering something.
In the VBA editor in options>common(?)>Compile You can click two options
for compiling.
I have the dutch version and I find that the help is poorly explaining
the exact use of these options (if not for everything:-(.
Compile at request and background compiling.
 
I wonder if anyone could explain me what those options do and what best
choice is...
 

 

Erwin Craps

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Nov 25 03:52:11 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:52:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation Question
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEFD@stekelbes.ithelps.local>


Something like this.



objExcelWorkSheet.Columns(x).ColumnWidth  

objExcelWorkSheet is a reference to the worksheet, but I supose you can
use activeworksheet or something to...

Erwin

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Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation Question


Goood Morning Everyone,

 

I have an excel automation question.  I have Access XP and though vba I
am writing to an excel spread sheet.  Does any know how to set the
column width of a column in excel and then format that column for time.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Nov 25 10:26:18 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:26:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275DB@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <3FC382AA.2000308@shaw.ca>

There are some interesting affects leaving compile on demand on that may 
lead to code corruption
What happens is that when COMPILE ON DEMAND is checked, only as
much code as is called gets compiled. This means modules containing
external functions may get partially compiled. When you turn it
off, a call to the external function will compile the entire
module, not just the called function. This means that the compiling
will be in fewer chunks, and that there will be less chance of
fragmentation of the compiled code and less chance of something
going wrong in managing that fragmentation.
Mary Chipman and Michael Kaplan recommend it be turned off.
This does make for longer compiles though.
see
http://www.trigeminal.com/usenet/usenet004.asp?1033


Drew Wutka wrote:

>The Compile on Demand is an option that either compiles your code in it's
>entirety when your application starts (the option would be off for this..),
>or compiles it when it is required (when you have Compile on Demand on). The
>big difference is startup speed.  If you project has a lot of code, if you
>don't use 'Compile on Demand', you are going to get a startup delay as
>Access compiles the VBA code.  The second option (background compile) is a
>subset of compile on demand.  If you have compile on demand set, you can use
>the background compile option to have Access compile it's code during idle
>time periods.
>
>The reason you have these options, is because VBA is a 'higher' language,
>which means it makes sense (or it should...) to a human.  But the CPU itself
>still requires machine language to be sent to it, so your VBA code must be
>compiled into machine language, in order for the CPU to carry out your
>instructions.  I wonder if you have the Compile on Demand turned off, if you
>wouldn't be allowed to make changes to code on the fly, when the application
>is running.  Hmmmm.....
>
>Anyhow, I don't see a real reason to not have both options checked.  If you
>want your code to be compiled all the time, use an .mde.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
>Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:56 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.
>
>
> 
> 
>Hi
> 
>I was wondering something.
>In the VBA editor in options>common(?)>Compile
>You can click two options for compiling.
>I have the dutch version and I find that the help is poorly explaining
>the exact use of these options (if not for everything:-(.
>Compile at request and background compiling.
> 
>I wonder if anyone could explain me what those options do and what best
>choice is...
> 
>
> 
>
>Erwin Craps
>
>Zaakvoerder 
>
>www.ithelps.be/jonathan
>
> 
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Nov 25 10:32:56 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:32:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD79A9@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Well, as you've figured that a combobox is the best tool for the job, all
you need to do now is educate the user's of the world of possibilities that
would open up if only they'd learn to press the enter key after selecting an
item in the combobox. Problem solved. <g>

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Gowey Mike W [SMTP:Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us]
> Sent:	Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:33 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
> 
> Yeah it is, I got that already.  It's the rest of the puzzle that I need
> to work out.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:26 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
> 
> 
> Hi Gowey
> 
> Sound like a job for a combobox ...
> 
> /gustav
> 
> > I am trying to complete a project on a Mail Processing database.  The 
> > one part I am stuck on now is some way for the Auto lookup of a record
> 
> > everytime a number is put it.
> 
> > I have a form in which it has 5 fields, the first field is the ID of 
> > the person receiving the mail, the next four fields depend on this 
> > number to be filled in.
> 
> > What I need it to be able to do is as the user puts in a number it 
> > will auto check the table for the ID number and fill the fields on the
> 
> > form with the underlying info with out the user having to press enter 
> > or Tab to have update or search, something like on each Key Down or 
> > Key Up. For example say the ID to enter is 123456, when the user 
> > enters the 1 it will do a auto check for a ID of 1 and when the user 
> > enters 2 it will do a auto check for a ID of 12 and so forth.
> 
> > I hope that makes sense.  Thanks for any info or examples anyone has 
> > to accomplish this, if it is at all possible.
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 25 10:36:49 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:36:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312481@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Ah, but loading mouse software is unnecessary for that purpose, Lambert.
The scroll wheel works in the UI as it is.  It's only in the VBE that
the scroll wheel doesn't work without the mouse software, and the users
shouldn't be in there anyhow.  I have made a *career* of not loading
mouse software going back to the days of Windows 3.x, when it caused
many problems that didn't exist if you didn't load it. <G>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 6:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


Actually I'd say that as a developer you should load mouse wheel
software. Because then you'll know how your application behaves in the
real world, where almost everyone else uses wheel mice. How else are you
going to test if the measures you put in place to stop Access navigating
to different records work when the user idly twiddles the wheel?

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Charlotte Foust [SMTP:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent:	Monday, November 24, 2003 6:16 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> Aha!  I knew there was a reason for not loading mouse software! <VBG>
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Gracie [mailto:Subscriptions at servicexp.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 2:54 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> 
> 
>   You need to load the mouse driver pack for your model. If you only 
> allow Win XP to install it's drivers for the mouse, it will not work 
> in all environments....
> 
> Robert Gracie
> www.servicexp.com
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:40 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> 
> That's interesting because I'm using Access XP on WinXP with a 
> Microsoft mouse and it does NOT work in any of the VBE windows.  Nor 
> does it work in Office 2000 on my Win2k machine (with a super mini 
> mouse).  Do you have some kind of special magic you worked in the 
> registry?  I don't want to use it, but maybe someone else will.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:20 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> 
> The mouse wheel works fine for me in the code window.  I'm using 
> Access XP on Windows XP, but have used other office version with other

> Windows versions and I can't remember not being able to use the mouse 
> wheel. I'm currently using a Fellowes Mini Web Pro mouse (which is 
> very nice if anyone happens to be looking for a small optical mouse).
> 
> Dan Waters
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:44 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> 
> The scroll wheel does not work in the Visual Basic Editor in *any* of 
> the Office apps ... Thank goodness.  I personally could live nicely 
> without scroll wheels on mice in any environment.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Brosdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de]
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:04 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> my mousewheel does not work in the VBA windows of Access 2000 - I am 
> unable to scroll through the code with the wheel. In other 
> applications and even in Access it works fine. Is that a known 
> problem? Is there any way to make it work? I am using a Microsoft 
> IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0 with current Microsoft drivers, but the same

> problems occurs with Logitech mice..
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Michael
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Nov 25 11:47:19 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:47:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] test
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275EC@main2.marlow.com>

Sheesh, there was more traffic then I cared for!.....oh, you mean on the
list, I thought you meant driving....<grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:54 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] test


No traffic this morning.

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Nov 25 11:48:06 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:48:06 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275ED@main2.marlow.com>

Yep.  If you make .mde's for your finished products, then those options are
a moot point.  They only apply to .mdb's.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 1:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.


Thats confirms what I was thinking.
I compile my apps compleetly before distributing, so I supose while
developing it's best having both options on?

Erwin
 

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens Drew Wutka
Verzonden: maandag 24 november 2003 22:03
Aan: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.

The Compile on Demand is an option that either compiles your code in
it's entirety when your application starts (the option would be off for
this..), or compiles it when it is required (when you have Compile on
Demand on). The big difference is startup speed.  If you project has a
lot of code, if you don't use 'Compile on Demand', you are going to get
a startup delay as Access compiles the VBA code.  The second option
(background compile) is a subset of compile on demand.  If you have
compile on demand set, you can use the background compile option to have
Access compile it's code during idle time periods.

The reason you have these options, is because VBA is a 'higher'
language, which means it makes sense (or it should...) to a human.  But
the CPU itself still requires machine language to be sent to it, so your
VBA code must be compiled into machine language, in order for the CPU to
carry out your instructions.  I wonder if you have the Compile on Demand
turned off, if you wouldn't be allowed to make changes to code on the
fly, when the application is running.  Hmmmm.....

Anyhow, I don't see a real reason to not have both options checked.  If
you want your code to be compiled all the time, use an .mde.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.


 
 
Hi
 
I was wondering something.
In the VBA editor in options>common(?)>Compile You can click two options
for compiling.
I have the dutch version and I find that the help is poorly explaining
the exact use of these options (if not for everything:-(.
Compile at request and background compiling.
 
I wonder if anyone could explain me what those options do and what best
choice is...
 

 

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Nov 25 11:49:46 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:49:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275EE@main2.marlow.com>

True, I personally have seen issues along the lines of code getting quirky
after a lot of modification.  However, it usually straightens out with
closing and re-opening Access.  That is in A2k though.  I very rarely see
any issues in 97.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.


There are some interesting affects leaving compile on demand on that may 
lead to code corruption
What happens is that when COMPILE ON DEMAND is checked, only as
much code as is called gets compiled. This means modules containing
external functions may get partially compiled. When you turn it
off, a call to the external function will compile the entire
module, not just the called function. This means that the compiling
will be in fewer chunks, and that there will be less chance of
fragmentation of the compiled code and less chance of something
going wrong in managing that fragmentation.
Mary Chipman and Michael Kaplan recommend it be turned off.
This does make for longer compiles though.
see
http://www.trigeminal.com/usenet/usenet004.asp?1033


Drew Wutka wrote:

>The Compile on Demand is an option that either compiles your code in it's
>entirety when your application starts (the option would be off for this..),
>or compiles it when it is required (when you have Compile on Demand on).
The
>big difference is startup speed.  If you project has a lot of code, if you
>don't use 'Compile on Demand', you are going to get a startup delay as
>Access compiles the VBA code.  The second option (background compile) is a
>subset of compile on demand.  If you have compile on demand set, you can
use
>the background compile option to have Access compile it's code during idle
>time periods.
>
>The reason you have these options, is because VBA is a 'higher' language,
>which means it makes sense (or it should...) to a human.  But the CPU
itself
>still requires machine language to be sent to it, so your VBA code must be
>compiled into machine language, in order for the CPU to carry out your
>instructions.  I wonder if you have the Compile on Demand turned off, if
you
>wouldn't be allowed to make changes to code on the fly, when the
application
>is running.  Hmmmm.....
>
>Anyhow, I don't see a real reason to not have both options checked.  If you
>want your code to be compiled all the time, use an .mde.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
>Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:56 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Compile options in VBA.
>
>
> 
> 
>Hi
> 
>I was wondering something.
>In the VBA editor in options>common(?)>Compile
>You can click two options for compiling.
>I have the dutch version and I find that the help is poorly explaining
>the exact use of these options (if not for everything:-(.
>Compile at request and background compiling.
> 
>I wonder if anyone could explain me what those options do and what best
>choice is...
> 
>
> 
>
>Erwin Craps
>
>Zaakvoerder 
>
>www.ithelps.be/jonathan
>
> 
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue Nov 25 12:18:46 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:18:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Strange send e-mail from Access+Outlook 2003 behavior.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF18@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hi group
The extract below is a function I'm using for 2 or 3 years now and
always done the job.
I recently installed Outlook 2003 (a week ago) and this function is
behaving very bizar.
 
It's a routine to check in a database I  need to send out some new
passwords and does this for me.
For security reasons I send the mail to the user and myself.
Today I noticed that I did not received my copy as I normaly do.
I called the user and he did not received his copy.
I checked my send items and the mail is in my sent items with the
correct adresses.
But No one has got it.
How can it be posible that the mail is in my sent items and I nor the
user has received the mail!!!
So I start looking to my code and found that when I remove the  lines:
mItem.ReplyRecipients.Add "Staff at boxoffice.be
<mailto:Staff at boxoffice.be> "
mItem.SentOnBehalfOfName = "Staff at boxoffice.be
<mailto:Staff at boxoffice.be> "
My e-mail does get received by both users!!!
I always had Sent-on-Behalf rights so I checked with a manual typed
e-mail with identical adresses and same send-on-behalf user and guess
what. The mail does arrive at both adresses
 
Is this a bug or a security measure, and why does get in my sent items
without actulay sending it???
 
So while I was writing this I tried the same thing on another computer
with Outlook 2002 and gues what.
Everything works fine....
 
Is this a bug?
Anyone out there who can report this to MS?
 
Below is the code.
 
Erwin
 
    
 
 
Set mOutlookApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
    Set mNameSpace = mOutlookApp.GetNamespace("MAPI")
    
    With rstWebSec
        Do While rstWebSec.EOF = False
            If !WEBEmailedPassword = False And Trim(!Email) <> "" Then
                strBody = strBodyHeader & vbCrLf
                strBody = strBody & vbCrLf
                strBody = strBody & !Company & vbCrLf
                strBody = strBody & !Title & " " & !FirstName & " " &
!SurName & vbCrLf
               strBody = strBody & vbCrLf
                strBody = strBody & strBodyFooter & vbCrLf
                
                Application.SysCmd acSysCmdUpdateMeter,
rstWebSec.AbsolutePosition
                Set mItem = mOutlookApp.CreateItem(olMailItem)
                mItem.Recipients.Add !Email
                mItem.Recipients.Add "Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be
<mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> "
                mItem.Subject = strSubject
                mItem.Body = strBody
                mItem.ReplyRecipients.Add "Staff at boxoffice.be
<mailto:Staff at boxoffice.be> "
                mItem.SentOnBehalfOfName = "Staff at boxoffice.be
<mailto:Staff at boxoffice.be> "
                'mItem.Display
                mItem.Send
                DoEvents
                Set mItem = Nothing
                .Edit
                !WEBEmailedPassword = True
                .Update
            End If
            .MoveNext
            DoEvents
        Loop
    End With
    Set mNameSpace = Nothing
    Set mOutlookApp = Nothing

 

 

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue Nov 25 12:59:30 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:59:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Info: Article on Packaging Access 2003 Solutions or ODE
References: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD79A9@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <3FC3A692.8060304@shaw.ca>

I remember some people asking for info on this
This is a reprint of October 2003 Access Advisor article
One interesting thing is you only have to install the runtime once on a 
machine
so makes for a smaller install, you can almost do from a web download .

Packaging Access 2003 Solutions
Rick Dobson
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnsmart03/html/sa03j8.asp
There is a sample 28M run time install included as download.

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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Tue Nov 25 06:01:25 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:01:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
References: <3FC313E3.2383.423894@localhost>
Message-ID: <032c01c3b34b$dbf65960$0200a8c0@S856>

thank you, Stuart,
interesting site, will try it out
Lembit Soobik

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network


> On 24 Nov 2003 at 16:21, Lembit Soobik wrote:
>
> > Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network?
> > thank you
> >
> One way would be to use a tool like Angry IP Scanner
> http://www.angryziber.com/ipscan/
>
>
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Tue Nov 25 13:21:02 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:21:02 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F29088526@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Pedro,

If you want the numbers to the nearest 2500, in the query put 2 derived fields

   MidX: Int([x]/2500+0.5)*2500
   MidY: Int([y]/2500+0.5)*2500

Does this answer your question?

Stephen Bond

From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Nov 25 13:37:44 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:37:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD79AD@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Well ok. That's fine - but I'm one of those weirdoes that actually *likes*
the wheel. I've been adicted since I first got my hands on it <vbG>

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Charlotte Foust [SMTP:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, November 25, 2003 11:37 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> Ah, but loading mouse software is unnecessary for that purpose, Lambert.
> The scroll wheel works in the UI as it is.  It's only in the VBE that
> the scroll wheel doesn't work without the mouse software, and the users
> shouldn't be in there anyhow.  I have made a *career* of not loading
> mouse software going back to the days of Windows 3.x, when it caused
> many problems that didn't exist if you didn't load it. <G>
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 6:15 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> 
> Actually I'd say that as a developer you should load mouse wheel
> software. Because then you'll know how your application behaves in the
> real world, where almost everyone else uses wheel mice. How else are you
> going to test if the measures you put in place to stop Access navigating
> to different records work when the user idly twiddles the wheel?
> 
> Lambert
> 

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 25 13:47:52 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:47:52 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312487@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Hey, I wouldn't even use a *mouse* for a long time! <G>  I had to learn,
but that doesn't mean I have to use all the extra buttons and wheels
they put on the darn thing.  Two buttons is ample for me. LOL  I can
never remember what the other buttons do anyhow.

Charlotte Foust

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From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 11:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window


Well ok. That's fine - but I'm one of those weirdoes that actually
*likes* the wheel. I've been adicted since I first got my hands on it
<vbG>

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Charlotte Foust [SMTP:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, November 25, 2003 11:37 AM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> Ah, but loading mouse software is unnecessary for that purpose, 
> Lambert. The scroll wheel works in the UI as it is.  It's only in the 
> VBE that the scroll wheel doesn't work without the mouse software, and

> the users shouldn't be in there anyhow.  I have made a *career* of not

> loading mouse software going back to the days of Windows 3.x, when it 
> caused many problems that didn't exist if you didn't load it. <G>
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at aig.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 6:15 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse wheel does not work in VBA window
> 
> 
> Actually I'd say that as a developer you should load mouse wheel 
> software. Because then you'll know how your application behaves in the

> real world, where almost everyone else uses wheel mice. How else are 
> you going to test if the measures you put in place to stop Access 
> navigating to different records work when the user idly twiddles the 
> wheel?
> 
> Lambert
> 
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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Tue Nov 25 05:59:01 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:59:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
References: 	<916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA305BB045@ADGSERVER><008701c3b2a0$1dfbd260$0200a8c0@S856>
	<003501c3b2e1$2fb78d50$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <032601c3b34b$848eb550$0200a8c0@S856>

thank you, William,
thats what I was after :)
Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network


> http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0058.htm
>
> ...the workstation names are included in the level 2 data ...HTH :)
>
> William Hindman
> Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lembit Soobik" <Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:21 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
>
>
> > Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network?
> > thank you
> >
> > Lembit
> >
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 25 15:23:42 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:23:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
References: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF486077801D9FE1F@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <002801c3b39a$66d88ff0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Mike

...this is pretty standard stuff ...both of these sites have sample code and
dbs that demonstrate different methods of getting the form populated with a
record selected from a combo box ...HTH :)

http://www.mvps.org/access/
http://www.candace-tripp.com/access_downloads.htm

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gowey Mike W" <Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:50 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup


>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
> I am trying to complete a project on a Mail Processing database.  The
> one part I am stuck on now is some way for the Auto lookup of a record
> everytime a number is put it.
>
> I have a form in which it has 5 fields, the first field is the ID of the
> person receiving the mail, the next four fields depend on this number to
> be filled in.
>
> What I need it to be able to do is as the user puts in a number it will
> auto check the table for the ID number and fill the fields on the form
> with the underlying info with out the user having to press enter or Tab
> to have update or search, something like on each Key Down or Key Up.
> For example say the ID to enter is 123456, when the user enters the 1 it
> will do a auto check for a ID of 1 and when the user enters 2 it will do
> a auto check for a ID of 12 and so forth.
>
> I hope that makes sense.  Thanks for any info or examples anyone has to
> accomplish this, if it is at all possible.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
> Team Leader - SRCI
> Information Systems & Services Division
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 25 15:27:25 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:27:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] test
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275EC@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c3b39a$ebc86460$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...you've seen nothing ...the snowbirds have returned to south Florida for
the season ...so instead of traffic jams at 8AM and 5PM we now have just one
...24 friggin' hours of Caddies backing up to the exit they missed ...pray
for March :(

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] test


> Sheesh, there was more traffic then I cared for!.....oh, you mean on the
> list, I thought you meant driving....<grin>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:54 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] test
>
>
> No traffic this morning.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Tue Nov 25 06:04:36 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:04:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275DE@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <033d01c3b34c$4c23d910$0200a8c0@S856>

yes, want to do it with API calls. (got a good reference already from William)
thanks
Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:13 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network


> Just out of curiousity...why?  I only ask, because you can do this with VBA,
> the process would be to get the subnet of the machine you are on (API
> calls), then do a DNS reverse lookup on every IP address in the subnet (more
> API calls).  The question is, why do you want to know this?  Just curious...
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de]
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:21 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] All Computer Names In Network
>
>
> Does anybody know how to get all computer names in the network?
> thank you
>
> Lembit
>
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From Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us  Tue Nov 25 15:34:52 2003
From: Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us (Gowey Mike W)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:34:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
Message-ID: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF48607780107A1@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>

Yeah I understand that is simple stuff, but that is not the part that I
am having problems with.  I can get the form populated by the user
selecting from the combo box and pressing either the Enter Key or Tab
Key.  What they want to be able to do is not have to press the Enter Key
or Tab key for the information to be populated automatically.  Say that
they enter 123456 in the combo box manually, how can I get it to
automatically look up the record without the enter key or tab key being
pressed.  What they want to be able to do is once the info is shown than
they want to be able to press the enter key and it will print the
mailing label (I have that part working just great)as long as they
select from the pull down list in the combo box.  It's the manual entry
that causes a problem.  I hope that makes better sense.
\
\
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Auto Lookup


Mike

...this is pretty standard stuff ...both of these sites have sample code
and dbs that demonstrate different methods of getting the form populated
with a record selected from a combo box ...HTH :)

http://www.mvps.org/access/
http://www.candace-tripp.com/access_downloads.htm

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government is
force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gowey Mike W" <Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:50 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup


>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
> I am trying to complete a project on a Mail Processing database.  The 
> one part I am stuck on now is some way for the Auto lookup of a record

> everytime a number is put it.
>
> I have a form in which it has 5 fields, the first field is the ID of 
> the person receiving the mail, the next four fields depend on this 
> number to be filled in.
>
> What I need it to be able to do is as the user puts in a number it 
> will auto check the table for the ID number and fill the fields on the

> form with the underlying info with out the user having to press enter 
> or Tab to have update or search, something like on each Key Down or 
> Key Up. For example say the ID to enter is 123456, when the user 
> enters the 1 it will do a auto check for a ID of 1 and when the user 
> enters 2 it will do a auto check for a ID of 12 and so forth.
>
> I hope that makes sense.  Thanks for any info or examples anyone has 
> to accomplish this, if it is at all possible.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
> Team Leader - SRCI
> Information Systems & Services Division
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


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From PBudge at cbsol.com  Tue Nov 25 16:02:47 2003
From: PBudge at cbsol.com (PBudge at cbsol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:02:47 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] test
Message-ID: <OF26BF24E0.C2FCBA20-ON86256DE9.0078F557@cbsol.com>


Good thing you're moving to New Hampshire then, isn't it?  ;
-)))))))))))))))))

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions



                                                                                                                                               
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...you've seen nothing ...the snowbirds have returned to south Florida for
the season ...so instead of traffic jams at 8AM and 5PM we now have just
one
...24 friggin' hours of Caddies backing up to the exit they missed ...pray
for March :(

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] test


> Sheesh, there was more traffic then I cared for!.....oh, you mean on the
> list, I thought you meant driving....<grin>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:54 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] test
>
>
> No traffic this morning.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Tue Nov 25 16:01:57 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:01:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
References: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF48607780107A1@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <019301c3b39f$bf8d8240$6401a8c0@default>

Mike,

If you're looking for an event proc, try writing code
for the OnChange event by testing the length of the
string that the user has typed in.

Michael R. Mattys
Try MattysMapLib for MapPoint at
www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "Gowey Mike W" <Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:34 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Auto Lookup


> Yeah I understand that is simple stuff, but that is not the part that I
> am having problems with.  I can get the form populated by the user
> selecting from the combo box and pressing either the Enter Key or Tab
> Key.  What they want to be able to do is not have to press the Enter Key
> or Tab key for the information to be populated automatically.  Say that
> they enter 123456 in the combo box manually, how can I get it to
> automatically look up the record without the enter key or tab key being
> pressed.  What they want to be able to do is once the info is shown than
> they want to be able to press the enter key and it will print the
> mailing label (I have that part working just great)as long as they
> select from the pull down list in the combo box.  It's the manual entry
> that causes a problem.  I hope that makes better sense.
> \
> \
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:24 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
>
>
> Mike
>
> ...this is pretty standard stuff ...both of these sites have sample code
> and dbs that demonstrate different methods of getting the form populated
> with a record selected from a combo box ...HTH :)
>
> http://www.mvps.org/access/
> http://www.candace-tripp.com/access_downloads.htm
>
> William Hindman
> Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government is
> force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gowey Mike W" <Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:50 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
>
>
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> > I am trying to complete a project on a Mail Processing database.  The
> > one part I am stuck on now is some way for the Auto lookup of a record
>
> > everytime a number is put it.
> >
> > I have a form in which it has 5 fields, the first field is the ID of
> > the person receiving the mail, the next four fields depend on this
> > number to be filled in.
> >
> > What I need it to be able to do is as the user puts in a number it
> > will auto check the table for the ID number and fill the fields on the
>
> > form with the underlying info with out the user having to press enter
> > or Tab to have update or search, something like on each Key Down or
> > Key Up. For example say the ID to enter is 123456, when the user
> > enters the 1 it will do a auto check for a ID of 1 and when the user
> > enters 2 it will do a auto check for a ID of 12 and so forth.
> >
> > I hope that makes sense.  Thanks for any info or examples anyone has
> > to accomplish this, if it is at all possible.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
> > Team Leader - SRCI
> > Information Systems & Services Division
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Nov 25 16:07:31 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:07:31 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] test
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275FC@main2.marlow.com>

Traffic in Florida doesn't hold a candle to what I have seen in other
states....

Of course, this is OT material....<grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] test


...you've seen nothing ...the snowbirds have returned to south Florida for
the season ...so instead of traffic jams at 8AM and 5PM we now have just one
...24 friggin' hours of Caddies backing up to the exit they missed ...pray
for March :(

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] test


> Sheesh, there was more traffic then I cared for!.....oh, you mean on the
> list, I thought you meant driving....<grin>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:54 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] test
>
>
> No traffic this morning.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 25 16:13:17 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:13:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
References: <05EBB8A3BEB95B4F8216BE4EF48607780107A1@srciml1.ds.doc.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <00aa01c3b3a1$54524450$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

Mike

...yeah ...lot more sense ...if the numbers are all the same length you
could use the cbo's OnChange event to autofill the form ...if not then
you'll have to test for a match after each character ...but I'm curious as
to just what kind of users are willing to pay to avoid hitting the enter key
...seems like an idea place for some Colby style downsizing :(

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gowey Mike W" <Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:34 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Auto Lookup


> Yeah I understand that is simple stuff, but that is not the part that I
> am having problems with.  I can get the form populated by the user
> selecting from the combo box and pressing either the Enter Key or Tab
> Key.  What they want to be able to do is not have to press the Enter Key
> or Tab key for the information to be populated automatically.  Say that
> they enter 123456 in the combo box manually, how can I get it to
> automatically look up the record without the enter key or tab key being
> pressed.  What they want to be able to do is once the info is shown than
> they want to be able to press the enter key and it will print the
> mailing label (I have that part working just great)as long as they
> select from the pull down list in the combo box.  It's the manual entry
> that causes a problem.  I hope that makes better sense.
> \
> \
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:24 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
>
>
> Mike
>
> ...this is pretty standard stuff ...both of these sites have sample code
> and dbs that demonstrate different methods of getting the form populated
> with a record selected from a combo box ...HTH :)
>
> http://www.mvps.org/access/
> http://www.candace-tripp.com/access_downloads.htm
>
> William Hindman
> Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government is
> force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gowey Mike W" <Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:50 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
>
>
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> > I am trying to complete a project on a Mail Processing database.  The
> > one part I am stuck on now is some way for the Auto lookup of a record
>
> > everytime a number is put it.
> >
> > I have a form in which it has 5 fields, the first field is the ID of
> > the person receiving the mail, the next four fields depend on this
> > number to be filled in.
> >
> > What I need it to be able to do is as the user puts in a number it
> > will auto check the table for the ID number and fill the fields on the
>
> > form with the underlying info with out the user having to press enter
> > or Tab to have update or search, something like on each Key Down or
> > Key Up. For example say the ID to enter is 123456, when the user
> > enters the 1 it will do a auto check for a ID of 1 and when the user
> > enters 2 it will do a auto check for a ID of 12 and so forth.
> >
> > I hope that makes sense.  Thanks for any info or examples anyone has
> > to accomplish this, if it is at all possible.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
> > Team Leader - SRCI
> > Information Systems & Services Division
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Nov 25 16:32:30 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:32:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD79B3@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

I think we understood your question. What we (well 'I' anyway) can't
understand is what's do bad about hitting enter or TAB after selecting from
the combobox?

However, if you want to do search as they type you can.

With the "conventional" way of doing this, typically, in the combo's
AfterUpdate event this type of code will be run...

Private Sub cboSearch_AfterUpdate()
Dim strCriteria As String
   If Not cboSearch & "" = "" Then
        strCriteria = "Seller_ID=" & cboSearch
        With Me.RecordsetClone
            .FindFirst strCriteria
            If Not .NoMatch Then
                Me.Bookmark = .Bookmark
            End If
        End With
    End If
End Sub

But in your case you want to do this in the Change event of the combobox.
The change event fires every time a key is pressed when the combo has the
focus. So as the user types "12345" the code will first search for "1" then
"12" etc. So, if you have a large data set, as slow network or fast users,
you could well find that the search process cannot keep up with the typing
of the users.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Gowey Mike W [SMTP:Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us]
> Sent:	Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:35 PM
> To:	Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
> 
> Yeah I understand that is simple stuff, but that is not the part that I
> am having problems with.  I can get the form populated by the user
> selecting from the combo box and pressing either the Enter Key or Tab
> Key.  What they want to be able to do is not have to press the Enter Key
> or Tab key for the information to be populated automatically.  Say that
> they enter 123456 in the combo box manually, how can I get it to
> automatically look up the record without the enter key or tab key being
> pressed.  What they want to be able to do is once the info is shown than
> they want to be able to press the enter key and it will print the
> mailing label (I have that part working just great)as long as they
> select from the pull down list in the combo box.  It's the manual entry
> that causes a problem.  I hope that makes better sense.
> \
> \
> Mike
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:24 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
> 
> 
> Mike
> 
> ...this is pretty standard stuff ...both of these sites have sample code
> and dbs that demonstrate different methods of getting the form populated
> with a record selected from a combo box ...HTH :)
> 
> http://www.mvps.org/access/
> http://www.candace-tripp.com/access_downloads.htm
> 
> William Hindman
> Government is not reason, government is not persuasion, government is
> force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gowey Mike W" <Mike.W.Gowey at doc.state.or.us>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:50 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Auto Lookup
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> > I am trying to complete a project on a Mail Processing database.  The 
> > one part I am stuck on now is some way for the Auto lookup of a record
> 
> > everytime a number is put it.
> >
> > I have a form in which it has 5 fields, the first field is the ID of 
> > the person receiving the mail, the next four fields depend on this 
> > number to be filled in.
> >
> > What I need it to be able to do is as the user puts in a number it 
> > will auto check the table for the ID number and fill the fields on the
> 
> > form with the underlying info with out the user having to press enter 
> > or Tab to have update or search, something like on each Key Down or 
> > Key Up. For example say the ID to enter is 123456, when the user 
> > enters the 1 it will do a auto check for a ID of 1 and when the user 
> > enters 2 it will do a auto check for a ID of 12 and so forth.
> >
> > I hope that makes sense.  Thanks for any info or examples anyone has 
> > to accomplish this, if it is at all possible.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike Gowey, MCSA, A+
> > Team Leader - SRCI
> > Information Systems & Services Division
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From connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au  Tue Nov 25 17:06:42 2003
From: connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au (connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:06:42 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] test OT 
Message-ID: <OF07647152.8808E2FC-ONCA256DE9.007ED384@agric.nsw.gov.au>

I am married to a guy from Minnesota, first time I saw LA I was 
speechless..... I am sure we dont have as many cars as I saw on the road

Of course what amazes me about the cars in MN is the rust 

Connie Kamrowski

Analyst/Programmer
Information Technology
NSW Agriculture
Orange

Ph: 02 6391 3250
Fax:02 6391 3290





Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
Sent by: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
26/11/2003 09:07 AM
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Traffic in Florida doesn't hold a candle to what I have seen in other
states....

Of course, this is OT material....<grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] test


...you've seen nothing ...the snowbirds have returned to south Florida for
the season ...so instead of traffic jams at 8AM and 5PM we now have just 
one
...24 friggin' hours of Caddies backing up to the exit they missed ...pray
for March :(

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] test


> Sheesh, there was more traffic then I cared for!.....oh, you mean on the
> list, I thought you meant driving....<grin>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:54 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] test
>
>
> No traffic this morning.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue Nov 25 17:22:26 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:22:26 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275FD@main2.marlow.com>

Apparently my 'indexer' hasn't been running since late september.  So
searches on messages since then would have produced nothing.  Fixed the
problem earlier today, and now the indexing is all caught up.  Oooops.

Drew

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Nov 25 18:53:24 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:53:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275FD@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEBIDAAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Great...Drew.

Jim

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Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:22 PM
To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....


Apparently my 'indexer' hasn't been running since late september.  So
searches on messages since then would have produced nothing.  Fixed the
problem earlier today, and now the indexing is all caught up.  Oooops.

Drew
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From pcs at azizaz.com  Tue Nov 25 19:46:08 2003
From: pcs at azizaz.com (Borge Steen Hansen)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:46:08 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Corrupt Backend Database - Help!
References: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD79B3@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <001001c3b3bf$111d8aa0$be0e90cb@prosys.local>

Hi, can anyone help with some direction here, please....

Access97 - corrupt backend database
We can see the linked tables in the frontend.
When I try and open the backend directly, the database window is empty -
shows no tables, queries etc.

I get the message that reads : "isn't an index in this table. Look in the
Indexes Collection of the TableDef object to determine the valid index
names".

An attempt to repair using the /repair switch when starting the database
does not do the trick.

When trying to import the tables into a blank database you get messages
about missing index etc etc.

So, as it says it's probably the index for one or more of the system tables
that handles all the tables etc. in the backend that's screwed up - gone
missing.....

Any one around that can help here, please ????

Conceptually, I would imagine that it would be possible from a different
database run som DAO code that would re-build the indexes of all the system
tables or something like that in the corrupt backend

Worst case scenario is to use backup from last friday - but the boss has
been working all weekend adding and modifying data, so we really would like
to salvage the corrupt backend......

Cheers

Borge







From john at winhaven.net  Tue Nov 25 19:52:24 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:52:24 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275FD@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKICEGLENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Thanks for staying on top of that Drew, the searchable archives are a great
asset to this community.

JB

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> To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
>
>
> Apparently my 'indexer' hasn't been running since late september.  So
> searches on messages since then would have produced nothing.  Fixed the
> problem earlier today, and now the indexing is all caught up.  Oooops.
>
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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Tue Nov 25 20:41:29 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:41:29 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Corrupt Backend Database - Help!
References: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD79B3@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
	<001001c3b3bf$111d8aa0$be0e90cb@prosys.local>
Message-ID: <002601c3b3c6$cb9f5820$6401a8c0@user>

Have you tried running Jetcomp on it?

http://www.accessdatabaserepair.com/jetcomp.htm

HTH
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Borge Steen Hansen 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:46 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Corrupt Backend Database - Help!


  Hi, can anyone help with some direction here, please....

  Access97 - corrupt backend database
  We can see the linked tables in the frontend.
  When I try and open the backend directly, the database window is empty -
  shows no tables, queries etc.

  I get the message that reads : "isn't an index in this table. Look in the
  Indexes Collection of the TableDef object to determine the valid index
  names".

  An attempt to repair using the /repair switch when starting the database
  does not do the trick.

  When trying to import the tables into a blank database you get messages
  about missing index etc etc.

  So, as it says it's probably the index for one or more of the system tables
  that handles all the tables etc. in the backend that's screwed up - gone
  missing.....

  Any one around that can help here, please ????

  Conceptually, I would imagine that it would be possible from a different
  database run som DAO code that would re-build the indexes of all the system
  tables or something like that in the corrupt backend

  Worst case scenario is to use backup from last friday - but the boss has
  been working all weekend adding and modifying data, so we really would like
  to salvage the corrupt backend......

  Cheers

  Borge






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From glen_mcwilliams at msn.com  Tue Nov 25 21:28:20 2003
From: glen_mcwilliams at msn.com (Glen McWilliams)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:28:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control
References: 	<D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059DDF@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de><000d01c3b02b$f3981ae0$6401a8c0@user><BAY4-DAV1024qjpQEJh0000734e@hotmail.com>
	<002101c3b307$062225b0$6401a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV135IhTrBoe200009eb3@hotmail.com>

Kath

The is sample does not use the combo box control from the forms toolbar, but rather the standard combo box control from the Control Toolbox.

Glen
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kath Pelletti 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  Thanks Glen - I can see what you are getting at with the after_update vs. the on_Change and thanks for the sample.

  It's taken me a couple of days to work out what's what with combo boxes in Excel and yours has been created with the combo box control on the forms toolbar, right? So it is an ActiveX control with on change events, value property etc. The only problem I have with that is that I am trying to create this app without ActiveX controls as it will be widely used by a client and I don't want to have any deployment issues.

  The hassle of not using the ActiveXcontrol and going with the combo on the forms toolbar, though, is the lack of properties and events - it has no on change event - you can only assign a macro, define an input range, and a cell link. But I have found (YES!!) a way to reference that object in code which, coming from access vba development,  I find really strange.

  1. You give the combo boxes named ranges (in my case Cbo_Entity, Cbo_CostCentre),
  2. Not that the named ranges do not appear in the list of named ranges anywhere. (Why I don't know - that threw me for ages))
  3. Assign a macro to the combo and in the vba window refer to that or any other combo boxes created using the syntax
      ActiveSheet.DrawingObjects("RangeNameofCombo") syntax.

  eg. when my combo Cbo_Entity changes, change the source data (ie. input range)  for the other combo box Cbo_CostCentre:

  Sub CboEntity_Change()    'name of assigned macro 
  Dim strerrormsg As String
  On Error GoTo Err_Handler

  ThisWorkbook.Worksheets("lists").Activate
  '
  'Application.ScreenUpdating = False
  ThisWorkbook.Worksheets("Lists 2").Activate
  '
  If Range("Sel_Entity") = 1 And (Range("Sel_Location") = 2) Then
      ThisWorkbook.Worksheets("Menu").Activate
      ActiveSheet.DrawingObjects("Cbo_CostCentre").Select                    'select the combo box
      With Selection
          .ListFillRange = "CostCentres_Range1"                                        'populate its source data with new range
          '.LinkedCell = "ExpSelection_No"
          .DropDownLines = 10
      End With
  End If
  --------------

  Kath

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Glen McWilliams 
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving ; SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au 
    Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:20 PM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


    Kath,

    I was wrong, it is the On Change event. 
    See attached sample
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Kath Pelletti 
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
      Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:35 AM
      Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


      Thanks Alan - but the combo box (I used the one from the forms toolbar) does not appear to have a name property or an on change event. You can attach a macro (and therefore an event) to it but that's it - I can't find a way to refer back to that control name in the code.

      Maybe you are referring to the combo control from the Control Toolbox toolbar? I was reluctant to use that because I think I read that it would require registration on distribution??

      Kath
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Garraway, Alun 
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
        Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:06 PM
        Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


        ok

        create a modul and declare a public variable.

        then for the combo on change event
        try this:

        Private Sub cboSheet1_Change()
            
            myVar = Me.cboSheet1.Value
            
        End Sub

        note: cboSheet1 is the name of my combobox
        and MyVar is the public variable in the modul
        hth
        alun


        -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
        Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
        [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
        Pelletti
        Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 09:46
        An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
        Betreff: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


        Hi Alan - it's just on the worksheet.
        Kath
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Garraway, Alun 
          To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
          Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:35 PM
          Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


          hi Kath,

          is the control on an excel worksheet or are u using
          a userform?

          alun

          -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
          Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
          [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
          Pelletti
          Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 00:38
          An: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
          Betreff: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


          Can anyone tell me how to refer to a form control in Excel (in this case a combo box) so that I can read its contents into a variable in vba?

          Urgent.
          TIA


          Kath Pelletti
          Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
          Ph: 9505-6714
          Fax: 9505-6430
          sdssoftware at optusnet.com.au
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From glen_mcwilliams at msn.com  Tue Nov 25 21:45:02 2003
From: glen_mcwilliams at msn.com (Glen McWilliams)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:45:02 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation Question
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CEFD@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV48gFrYILoyg0000b90c@hotmail.com>

Erwin

Try something like this:

With Worksheets("Sheet1").Columns("A")
    .ColumnWidth = .ColumnWidth * 2
End With----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Erwin Craps 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 1:52 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Excel Automation Question



  Something like this.



  objExcelWorkSheet.Columns(x).ColumnWidth  

  objExcelWorkSheet is a reference to the worksheet, but I supose you can
  use activeworksheet or something to...

  Erwin

  -----Original Message-----
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  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dale Kalsow
  Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 4:29 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation Question


  Goood Morning Everyone,

   

  I have an excel automation question.  I have Access XP and though vba I
  am writing to an excel spread sheet.  Does any know how to set the
  column width of a column in excel and then format that column for time.

   

  Thanks in advance.

   

  Dale



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From SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au  Tue Nov 25 21:49:04 2003
From: SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:49:04 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control
References: 	<D096EDDAA3939B45BEAF0F506801709A059DDF@ntovmail03.ov.otto.de><000d01c3b02b$f3981ae0$6401a8c0@user><BAY4-DAV1024qjpQEJh0000734e@hotmail.com><002101c3b307$062225b0$6401a8c0@user>
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Message-ID: <004001c3b3d0$3cbc03b0$6401a8c0@user>

Thanks
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Glen McWilliams 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 2:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


  Kath

  The is sample does not use the combo box control from the forms toolbar, but rather the standard combo box control from the Control Toolbox.

  Glen
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Kath Pelletti 
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
    Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:48 PM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


    Thanks Glen - I can see what you are getting at with the after_update vs. the on_Change and thanks for the sample.

    It's taken me a couple of days to work out what's what with combo boxes in Excel and yours has been created with the combo box control on the forms toolbar, right? So it is an ActiveX control with on change events, value property etc. The only problem I have with that is that I am trying to create this app without ActiveX controls as it will be widely used by a client and I don't want to have any deployment issues.

    The hassle of not using the ActiveXcontrol and going with the combo on the forms toolbar, though, is the lack of properties and events - it has no on change event - you can only assign a macro, define an input range, and a cell link. But I have found (YES!!) a way to reference that object in code which, coming from access vba development,  I find really strange.

    1. You give the combo boxes named ranges (in my case Cbo_Entity, Cbo_CostCentre),
    2. Not that the named ranges do not appear in the list of named ranges anywhere. (Why I don't know - that threw me for ages))
    3. Assign a macro to the combo and in the vba window refer to that or any other combo boxes created using the syntax
        ActiveSheet.DrawingObjects("RangeNameofCombo") syntax.

    eg. when my combo Cbo_Entity changes, change the source data (ie. input range)  for the other combo box Cbo_CostCentre:

    Sub CboEntity_Change()    'name of assigned macro 
    Dim strerrormsg As String
    On Error GoTo Err_Handler

    ThisWorkbook.Worksheets("lists").Activate
    '
    'Application.ScreenUpdating = False
    ThisWorkbook.Worksheets("Lists 2").Activate
    '
    If Range("Sel_Entity") = 1 And (Range("Sel_Location") = 2) Then
        ThisWorkbook.Worksheets("Menu").Activate
        ActiveSheet.DrawingObjects("Cbo_CostCentre").Select                    'select the combo box
        With Selection
            .ListFillRange = "CostCentres_Range1"                                        'populate its source data with new range
            '.LinkedCell = "ExpSelection_No"
            .DropDownLines = 10
        End With
    End If
    --------------

    Kath

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Glen McWilliams 
      To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving ; SDSSoftware at optusnet.com.au 
      Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:20 PM
      Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


      Kath,

      I was wrong, it is the On Change event. 
      See attached sample
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Kath Pelletti 
        To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
        Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:35 AM
        Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


        Thanks Alan - but the combo box (I used the one from the forms toolbar) does not appear to have a name property or an on change event. You can attach a macro (and therefore an event) to it but that's it - I can't find a way to refer back to that control name in the code.

        Maybe you are referring to the combo control from the Control Toolbox toolbar? I was reluctant to use that because I think I read that it would require registration on distribution??

        Kath
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Garraway, Alun 
          To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
          Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:06 PM
          Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


          ok

          create a modul and declare a public variable.

          then for the combo on change event
          try this:

          Private Sub cboSheet1_Change()
              
              myVar = Me.cboSheet1.Value
              
          End Sub

          note: cboSheet1 is the name of my combobox
          and MyVar is the public variable in the modul
          hth
          alun


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          Von: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
          [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
          Pelletti
          Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 09:46
          An: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
          Betreff: Re: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


          Hi Alan - it's just on the worksheet.
          Kath
            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: Garraway, Alun 
            To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
            Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:35 PM
            Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


            hi Kath,

            is the control on an excel worksheet or are u using
            a userform?

            alun

            -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
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            [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Kath
            Pelletti
            Gesendet: Freitag, 21. November 2003 00:38
            An: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
            Betreff: [AccessD] OT Excel refer to form control


            Can anyone tell me how to refer to a form control in Excel (in this case a combo box) so that I can read its contents into a variable in vba?

            Urgent.
            TIA


            Kath Pelletti
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From glen_mcwilliams at msn.com  Tue Nov 25 21:56:41 2003
From: glen_mcwilliams at msn.com (Glen McWilliams)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:56:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] test OT
References: <OF07647152.8808E2FC-ONCA256DE9.007ED384@agric.nsw.gov.au>
Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV678FSA4AleL0000a125@hotmail.com>

Connie

The only place that comes close the number of cars is Bankok

Glen McWilliams
Creative Hightek, Inc.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:06 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] test OT 


  I am married to a guy from Minnesota, first time I saw LA I was 
  speechless..... I am sure we dont have as many cars as I saw on the road

  Of course what amazes me about the cars in MN is the rust 

  Connie Kamrowski

  Analyst/Programmer
  Information Technology
  NSW Agriculture
  Orange

  Ph: 02 6391 3250
  Fax:02 6391 3290





  Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
  Sent by: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  26/11/2003 09:07 AM
  Please respond to Access Developers discussion and problem solving 

   
          To:     "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
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          cc: 
          Subject:        RE: [AccessD] test


  Traffic in Florida doesn't hold a candle to what I have seen in other
  states....

  Of course, this is OT material....<grin>

  Drew

  -----Original Message-----
  From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:27 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] test


  ...you've seen nothing ...the snowbirds have returned to south Florida for
  the season ...so instead of traffic jams at 8AM and 5PM we now have just 
  one
  ...24 friggin' hours of Caddies backing up to the exit they missed ...pray
  for March :(

  William Hindman
  Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
  government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
  To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:47 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] test


  > Sheesh, there was more traffic then I cared for!.....oh, you mean on the
  > list, I thought you meant driving....<grin>
  >
  > Drew
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: John W. Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
  > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:54 AM
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  > Subject: [AccessD] test
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  > No traffic this morning.
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From pcs at azizaz.com  Tue Nov 25 22:18:07 2003
From: pcs at azizaz.com (Borge Steen Hansen)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:18:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Corrupt Backend Database - Solved!
References: 	<8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD79B3@xlivmbx12.aig.com><001001c3b3bf$111d8aa0$be0e90cb@prosys.local>
	<002601c3b3c6$cb9f5820$6401a8c0@user>
Message-ID: <002801c3b3d4$4c2d9440$be0e90cb@prosys.local>

Thanks for that,
I was thrown by the user mentioning that applying the Repair utility did not
work.

Doing a bit of search I found that the latest version of the Microsoft Jet
database engine 3.51 has enhanced its compact process. Compact now assumes
all the functionality that the Jet database engine repair process included
and it is no longer recommended to use the Jet database engine repair
process.

So disregarding the 'repair' and applying a compact solved the problem.

I also now notice that Access 2K and XP has just "Compact and Repair
Database...."

Regards
Borge


----- Original Message -----
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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Corrupt Backend Database - Help!


Have you tried running Jetcomp on it?

http://www.accessdatabaserepair.com/jetcomp.htm

HTH
Kath



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Nov 26 01:37:06 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:37:06 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] test OT - Enough
In-Reply-To: <BAY4-DAV678FSA4AleL0000a125@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c3b3f0$17b9c780$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Ok this is starting to sprout. If you want to continue please take it to the
OT list.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Glen McWilliams
> Sent: 26 November 2003 03:57
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] test OT
> 
> 
> Connie
> 
> The only place that comes close the number of cars is Bankok
> 
> Glen McWilliams
> Creative Hightek, Inc.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au 
>   To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
>   Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:06 PM
>   Subject: RE: [AccessD] test OT 
> 
> 
>   I am married to a guy from Minnesota, first time I saw LA I was 
>   speechless..... I am sure we dont have as many cars as I 
> saw on the road
> 
>   Of course what amazes me about the cars in MN is the rust 
> 
>   Connie Kamrowski
> 
>   Analyst/Programmer
>   Information Technology
>   NSW Agriculture
>   Orange
> 
>   Ph: 02 6391 3250
>   Fax:02 6391 3290
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
>   Sent by: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>   26/11/2003 09:07 AM
>   Please respond to Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
> 
>    
>           To:     "'Access Developers discussion and problem 
> solving'" 
>   <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>           cc: 
>           Subject:        RE: [AccessD] test
> 
> 
>   Traffic in Florida doesn't hold a candle to what I have 
> seen in other
>   states....
> 
>   Of course, this is OT material....<grin>
> 
>   Drew
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
>   Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:27 PM
>   To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>   Subject: Re: [AccessD] test
> 
> 
>   ...you've seen nothing ...the snowbirds have returned to 
> south Florida for
>   the season ...so instead of traffic jams at 8AM and 5PM we 
> now have just 
>   one
>   ...24 friggin' hours of Caddies backing up to the exit they 
> missed ...pray
>   for March :(
> 
>   William Hindman
>   Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
>   government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
>   To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>   <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>   Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:47 PM
>   Subject: RE: [AccessD] test
> 
> 
>   > Sheesh, there was more traffic then I cared for!.....oh, 
> you mean on the
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>   >
>   > Drew
>   >
>   > -----Original Message-----
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>   > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:54 AM
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From viner at eunet.yu  Tue Nov 25 01:23:30 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:23:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Learning English
Message-ID: <03c201c3b325$0fc16400$0100a8c0@razvoj>

Hi,
sorry for the OT post, but I want to improve my English and want to start to teach my 7 years old daughter too(e.g. easy songs for kids). So, can you give me some "worth to take a look" sites on the Web, because Google are too generous :(
Please post privately!
MTIA,
    Ervin

From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 26 05:20:47 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 12:20:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Info Interesting use of InfoPath
In-Reply-To: <3F7A7578.9000007@shaw.ca>
References: <3F7AF33E.14003.19E6DAF@localhost> <3F7A7578.9000007@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <19912402073.20031126122047@cactus.dk>

Hi Marty et all

Also, this quite nice link aimed at ISVs and developers is on-line:

  InfoPath 2003 Health Level Seven Clinical Document Architecture Demo

  http://www.microsoft.com/technet/itsolutions/mso/cda/


/gustav


> If you were wondering about uses for InfoPath.
> Rather than use Access to link to a webservice. This method with 
> InfoPath allows a user to quickly link to a webservice via XML with no 
> coding. The webservice could be a ASP.Net hook to an old Cobol legacy 
> app to edit or add data..

> Dynamically Data-bind in InfoPath By Thiru Thangarathinam

> http://www.developer.com/net/article.php/3082431


From awithing at twcny.rr.com  Wed Nov 26 05:58:32 2003
From: awithing at twcny.rr.com (augusta)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 06:58:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Learning English
In-Reply-To: <03c201c3b325$0fc16400$0100a8c0@razvoj>
Message-ID: <007401c3b414$a07f0390$6401a8c0@dell8200>

http://www.weesing.com/homepage.htm


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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ervin Brindza
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:24 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Learning English
> 
> Hi,
> sorry for the OT post, but I want to improve my English and want to
start
> to teach my 7 years old daughter too(e.g. easy songs for kids). So,
can
> you give me some "worth to take a look" sites on the Web, because
Google
> are too generous :(
> Please post privately!
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>     Ervin
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From viner at eunet.yu  Wed Nov 26 06:41:42 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:41:42 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Re:  OT: Learning English
References: <007401c3b414$a07f0390$6401a8c0@dell8200>
Message-ID: <009701c3b41a$d75dbd60$0100a8c0@razvoj>

> http://www.weesing.com/homepage.htm

Many thanks, it'll be useful :)
Have a nice day,
    Ervin



From Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca  Wed Nov 26 08:40:02 2003
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca (Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:40:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Accessing Oracle BLOB via MS Access
Message-ID: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D82649@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>

I'm hoping someone has an answer or advice on this. We have Oracle 9i with a
table containing Blob/Clob data types. We also do a lot of data base queries
against Oracle via Access 97 and Access 2000. (ODBC ADO).

A new application has the blob/clob. Attempting to access these fields gives
an error in Access. Does anyone have a technique or samples of how to access
this Oracle data type with Access 97 or 2000?

TIA.
Jack

From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 26 08:59:02 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 06:59:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Hide Field Once New Record is Saved
In-Reply-To: <45C67756F7C0F942AD80AE35546F40C204D82649@mb-bp-011.ic.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <20031126145902.92539.qmail@web20415.mail.yahoo.com>



I have a form that is used for new records and modifying existing records. I want a field to be visible when a user enters a new record then hide it from view once the new record has been saved.

My other thought was to make the field a modal pop up when entering new records. Based on the flow of the data entry being done, I would prefer my first choice.

Thanks to any and all responders!



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From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:16:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hide Field Once New Record is Saved
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF407AD79B9@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

In the form's OnCurrent event...
	
	YourField.Visible = Not NewRecord

Then do exactly the same thing in the AfterInsert event which will handle
cases where the record is saved but remains current.

Lambert

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> 
> 
> 
> I have a form that is used for new records and modifying existing records.
> I want a field to be visible when a user enters a new record then hide it
> from view once the new record has been saved.
> 
> My other thought was to make the field a modal pop up when entering new
> records. Based on the flow of the data entry being done, I would prefer my
> first choice.
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 26 09:25:12 2003
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 07:25:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] Hide Field Once New Record is Saved
In-Reply-To: <20031126145902.92539.qmail@web20415.mail.yahoo.com>
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Sorry to bug you guys. I didn't look far enough in help. The code would be in the On Current Event and it would read...

MyField.Visible = Me.NewRecord


 


Lonnie Johnson <prodevmg at yahoo.com> wrote: 

I have a form that is used for new records and modifying existing records. I want a field to be visible when a user enters a new record then hide it from view once the new record has been saved.

My other thought was to make the field a modal pop up when entering new records. Based on the flow of the data entry being done, I would prefer my first choice.

Thanks to any and all responders!



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From pedro at plex.nl  Wed Nov 26 16:52:23 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (pedro at plex.nl)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:52:23 (MET)
Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
Message-ID: <200311261552.hAQFqNEU001348@mailhostC.plex.net>

Hello Group,

i have a report on which adress-labels are shown. 1 label each. I want to use a dynamo label printer. The problem is that the labels of this printer are vertical. Is there a way to rotate text from a textbox on a report. 

TIA

Pedro Janssen

From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Nov 26 09:53:19 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:53:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] IBAN/BIC length and structure.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF3E@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hi people
 
I'm adding some IBAN and BIC fields to an internationaly used app but
can't find some data.
I found everything I need to know about IBAN code structure and lenght,
but i can't seem to find a structure and/or length for the Swift BIC
code.
 
Does anyone knows what the lenght and structure of a BIC code is?
 
Thx

 

Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder 

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Nov 26 09:55:13 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:55:13 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ISABEL CODA files importing/exporting.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF3F@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Hi Group
 
Does anyone has some VB/VBA code to share to import/export CODA files to
use with ISABEL 5.x?
 
Thx

 

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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed Nov 26 09:55:26 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:55:26 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
Message-ID: <25154556.1069862126779.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>

To all,
I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, returning resultsets in tables from Access & SQL Server etc.
Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any book recommendations ?
Thanks in advance for all your help
Paul Hartland

From mikedorism at adelphia.net  Wed Nov 26 10:03:55 2003
From: mikedorism at adelphia.net (Mike & Doris Manning)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:03:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
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Message-ID: <002f01c3b436$e4fb6460$8b194244@hargrove.internal>

"SQL Server 2000 Web Application Developer's Guide" ISBN 0072126191

Mike and Doris Manning
mikedorism at adelphia.net


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To all,
I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, returning
resultsets in tables from Access & SQL Server etc. Anyone know any good
sites to get me started along with any book recommendations ? Thanks in
advance for all your help Paul Hartland
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed Nov 26 10:05:19 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:05:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
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4guysfromrolla.com or learnasp.com are pretty good.  I'm sure if you search the archives you'll find plenty more as this subject comes up quite a bit.

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To all,
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Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any book recommendations ?
Thanks in advance for all your help
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 26 10:12:06 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:12:06 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
In-Reply-To: <200311261552.hAQFqNEU001348@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKICEGPENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Pedro:
Which model are you using?

If its a thermal label printer I can give you some help.

JB

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> 
> 
> Hello Group,
> 
> i have a report on which adress-labels are shown. 1 label each. I 
> want to use a dynamo label printer. The problem is that the 
> labels of this printer are vertical. Is there a way to rotate 
> text from a textbox on a report. 
> 
> TIA
> 
> Pedro Janssen
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 26 10:16:48 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:16:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
References: <200311261552.hAQFqNEU001348@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c3b438$b3c73110$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

www.lebans.com

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <pedro at plex.nl>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:52 PM
Subject: [AccessD] rotate text


> Hello Group,
>
> i have a report on which adress-labels are shown. 1 label each. I want to
use a dynamo label printer. The problem is that the labels of this printer
are vertical. Is there a way to rotate text from a textbox on a report.
>
> TIA
>
> Pedro Janssen
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 26 10:23:33 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:23:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
References: <25154556.1069862126779.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
Message-ID: <001601c3b439$a310ab20$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...first buy or steal a copy of Macromedia's Dreamweaver MX ...then buy a
copy of our own Susan Harkins' Dreamweaver MX Databases (Sybex ISBN
078214148X) ...its full of sample dbs and scripts :)

...if you can't afford Dreamweaver, then the new FrontPage 2003 has become a
pretty good alternative (just like everything else, MS eventually gets it
right) HTH :)

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

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To: "accessd" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
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Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development


> To all,
> I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, returning
resultsets in tables from Access & SQL Server etc.
> Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any book
recommendations ?
> Thanks in advance for all your help
> Paul Hartland
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Nov 26 10:23:19 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:23:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Format of a field.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF40@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

This is probably the first time in probably 10 years I'm looking at the
field format in a table again.
I never used them because of never needed or wanted it.
 
I want to paper format an IBAN code which is 4 characters space 4
characters space 4 characters etc.
 
something like this 
1234 ABCD 5678 EFGH 90
 
The thing is that a IBAN code can be  34 character long wich means if
all 34 characters are used you have at the end 2 characters.
So I formated &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&
But instead of aligning left it aligns right, so my code looks like 
12 34AB CD56 78EF GH90
instead of
1234 ABCD 5678 EFGH 90
 
How can I resolve this that the code is left aligned and not right?
I could write some code to do this, but this is like a real good
situation where I could use the format property of a field/control.
 

 

Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder 

www.ithelps.be/jonathan

 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 26 10:29:37 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:29:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] IBAN/BIC length and structure.
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF3E@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF3E@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <9130932809.20031126172937@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

> I'm adding some IBAN and BIC fields to an internationaly used app but
> can't find some data.
> I found everything I need to know about IBAN code structure and lenght,
> but i can't seem to find a structure and/or length for the Swift BIC
> code.
 
> Does anyone knows what the lenght and structure of a BIC code is?

Yes, in German!

Also note this ultimate link:

  http://www.swift.com/biconline/index.cfm


<german>

Jeder SWIFT-Teilnehmer hat eine eindeutige Kennung, den sogenannten
BIC (Bank Identifier Code). 
Dieser hat 8 oder 11 Stellen und ist wie folgt aufgebaut : 

bank code
        4 Stellen Alphazeichen frei gew?hlt (Bundesbank z.B. MARK) 

country code
        2 Stellen Alphazeichen, ISO-Code des Landes (in Deutschland also DE) 

location code
        2 Stellen alphanumerisch zur Ortsangabe (z.B. FF f?r Frankfurt) 

branch code
        wahlweise 3 Stellen alphanumerisch zur Bezeichnung von Filialen 

Einige Besonderheiten kann man auch am SWIFT-BIC erkennen: 

Eine Null an der 8. Stelle kennzeichnet eine Testkennung 

Eine 1 an der 8. Stelle gibt an, da? es sich nicht um einen
Live-Teilnehmer handelt, der selber an SWIFT angeschlossen ist
(sogenannte non-SWIFT BICs). Solche Kennungen k?nnen nur als eine Art
"Adre?k?rzel" in Nachrichten benutzt werden, wenn auf diese Bank
verwiesen wird, diese Teilnehmer k?nnen aber selber keine Nachrichten
senden oder empfangen     
Bei US-amerikanischen Kennungen gibt die vorletzte Stelle des location
codes die Zeitzone (3=Ostk?ste bis 6=Westk?ste) der betreffenden Bank
an  

Eine Stelle mit Sende-/Empfangsterminal hat immer eine 8-stellige
Kennung, Filialen (11 Stellen) senden immer ?ber die ?bergeordnete
8-stellige Nummer  

Wegen seiner Eindeutigkeit wird ein SWIFT-BIC im grenz?berschreitenden
Zahlungsverkehr wie eine Art internationale Bankleitzahl verwendet.
Diese Codes sind nach ISO 9362 genormt und SWIFT ist von ISO als die
"registration authority" f?r die Umsetzung der Norm benannt worden.

</german>


We use these declarations and two functions:

<code>

' Module for handling and validation of
'   IBAN, International Bank Account Number
' and
'   BIC, Bank Identifier Code
'
' as well as ISO 7064 MOD 97-10 calculations.
'
' (c) 2003. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  ' Length of short ISO 3166 alpha country code per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenISO3166Alpha              As Long = 2
  ' Lenght of ISO 7064 check number per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenISO7064Check              As Long = 2
  ' Minimum length of BBAN, Basic Bank Account Number.
  ' Emperic value. Normally minimum 4 + 8 but 11 for Norway.
  Private Const pclngLenBBANMin                   As Long = 10
  
  ' Length of BIC bank code per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenBICBank                   As Long = 4
  ' Length of BIC location code per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenBICLocation               As Long = 2
  ' Length of BIC branch code per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenBICBranch                 As Long = 3
  
  ' Maximum length of Electronic IBAN string per definition.
  ' Example: FR1420041010050500013M02606
  Private Const pclngLenIBANElectronicMax         As Long = 34
  ' Length of Paper IBAN group per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenIBANPaperGroup            As Long = 4
  ' Spacing of Paper IBAN groups per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenIBANPaperGroupSpacing     As Long = 1
  
  ' Constants for IsStrISO13616() for verification method.
  Private Const pcbytVerifyISO13616Alphanums      As Byte = 0
  Private Const pcbytVerifyISO13616Chars          As Byte = 1
  Private Const pcbytVerifyISO13616Digits         As Byte = 2
  
  ' Valid IBAN characters, 0-9 and A-Z.
  Private Const pcbytAscIBANDigitMin              As Byte = &H30
  Private Const pcbytAscIBANDigitMax              As Byte = &H39
  Private Const pcbytAscIBANCharMin               As Byte = &H41
  Private Const pcbytAscIBANCharMax               As Byte = &H5A
  ' IBAN value of character "A" per definition.
  Private Const pclngValIBANCharA                 As Long = 10
  ' Offset from IBAN value of char to ASCII value of char.
  Private Const pclngValIBANCharOffset            As Long = pcbytAscIBANCharMin - pclngValIBANCharA
  
  ' Type definition for IBAN string.
  ' An IBAN string consists of:
  '   tIBAN.strISO & tIBAN.strChk & tIBAN.strBBAN
  '
  Private Type tIBAN
    ' Chars only.
    strISO      As String * pclngLenISO3166Alpha
    ' Digits only.
    strChk      As String * pclngLenISO7064Check
    ' Alphanums. Variable length.
    strBBAN     As String
  End Type

  ' Type definition for BIC string.
  ' A BIC string consists of:
  '   tBIC.strBank & tBIC.strCountry & tBIC.strLocation
  ' or
  '   tBIC.strBank & tBIC.strCountry & tBIC.strLocation & tBIC.strBranch
  '
  Private Type tBIC
    ' Chars only.
    StrBank     As String * pclngLenBICBank
    ' Chars only.
    strISO      As String * pclngLenISO3166Alpha
    ' Alphanums.
    strLocation As String * pclngLenBICLocation
    ' Alphanums.
    strBranch   As String * pclngLenBICBranch
  End Type

'----

Public Function IsStrBIC(ByVal strBIC As String) As Boolean

' Verifies if strString is a valid BIC, Bank Interchange Code, or
' S.W.I.F.T. code according to ISO 13616.
' Returns True for strings that can be validated.
' Returns False for all other strings including empty strings.
'
' Requires:
'   IsStrISO13616()
'
' 2003-06-20. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  ' Length of BIC without branch code per definition.
  Const clngBICShort        As Long = pclngLenBICBank + pclngLenISO3166Alpha + pclngLenBICLocation
  ' Length of BIC branch code per definition.
  Const clngBICBranch       As Long = pclngLenBICBranch
  ' Length of BIC with branch code per definition.
  Const clngBICLong         As Long = clngBICShort + clngBICBranch
  
  Dim typBIC  As tBIC
  
  Dim lngLen  As Long
  Dim booChk  As Boolean
    
  lngLen = Len(strBIC)
  ' Check length of strBIC.
  If lngLen = clngBICShort Or lngLen = clngBICLong Then
    ' Extract substrings.
    With typBIC
      .StrBank = Mid(strBIC, 1)
      .strISO = Mid(strBIC, 1 + pclngLenBICBank)
      .strLocation = Mid(strBIC, 1 + pclngLenBICBank + pclngLenISO3166Alpha)
      .strBranch = Mid(strBIC, 1 + clngBICShort)
      ' Verify substrings.
      If IsStrISO13616(.StrBank, pcbytVerifyISO13616Chars) = True Then
        If IsStrISO13616(.strISO, pcbytVerifyISO13616Chars) = True Then
          If IsStrISO13616(.strLocation, pcbytVerifyISO13616Alphanums) = True Then
            If lngLen = clngBICShort Then
              ' Short BIC verified.
              booChk = True
            ElseIf IsStrISO13616(.strBranch, pcbytVerifyISO13616Alphanums) = True Then
              ' Long BIC verified.
              booChk = True
            End If
          End If
        End If
      End If
    End With
  End If
  
  IsStrBIC = booChk

End Function

Public Function IsStrISO13616( _
  ByVal strString As String, _
  Optional ByVal bytAlphaNum As Byte) _
  As Boolean

' Performs a character by character validation according to ISO 13616.
' If bytAlphaNum is 1, only digits are accepted.
' If bytAlphaNum is 2, only chars are accepted.
' If bytAlphaNum is 0, missing or another value than 1 or 2, both
' chars and digits are accepted.
'
' Returns True for strings that can be validated.
' Returns False for all other strings including empty strings.
'
' 2003-06-20. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  Dim lngLoop As Long
  Dim lngLen  As Long
  Dim bytAsc  As Byte
  Dim booChk  As Boolean

  lngLen = Len(strString)
  If lngLen > 0 Then
    booChk = True
    For lngLoop = 1 To lngLen
      ' Check each character.
      bytAsc = Asc(Mid(strString, lngLoop))
      Select Case bytAsc
        Case pcbytAscIBANDigitMin To pcbytAscIBANDigitMax
          ' Digit.
          If bytAlphaNum = pcbytVerifyISO13616Chars Then
            ' Digits not allowed.
            booChk = False
          End If
        Case pcbytAscIBANCharMin To pcbytAscIBANCharMax
          ' Valid non-numeric character.
          If bytAlphaNum = pcbytVerifyISO13616Digits Then
            ' Characters not allowed.
            booChk = False
          End If
        Case Else
          ' Invalid character.
          booChk = False
      End Select
    Next
  End If
  
  IsStrISO13616 = booChk

End Function

</code>

Great fun!

/gustav


From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 26 10:30:36 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:30:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
In-Reply-To: <200311261552.hAQFqNEU001348@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEGPENAA.john@winhaven.net>

BTW: Dymo will do this for you if its one of the thermal label printers.

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> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:52 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
> 
> 
> Hello Group,
> 
> i have a report on which adress-labels are shown. 1 label each. I 
> want to use a dynamo label printer. The problem is that the 
> labels of this printer are vertical. Is there a way to rotate 
> text from a textbox on a report. 
> 
> TIA
> 
> Pedro Janssen
> _______________________________________________
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> 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 26 10:38:02 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:38:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Format of a field.
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF40@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF40@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <3531437194.20031126173802@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

> This is probably the first time in probably 10 years I'm looking at the
> field format in a table again.
> I never used them because of never needed or wanted it.
 
> I want to paper format an IBAN code which is 4 characters space 4
> characters space 4 characters etc.
 
> something like this 
> 1234 ABCD 5678 EFGH 90
 
> The thing is that a IBAN code can be  34 character long wich means if
> all 34 characters are used you have at the end 2 characters.
> So I formated &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&
> But instead of aligning left it aligns right, so my code looks like 
> 12 34AB CD56 78EF GH90
> instead of
> 1234 ABCD 5678 EFGH 90
 
> How can I resolve this that the code is left aligned and not right?
> I could write some code to do this, but this is like a real good
> situation where I could use the format property of a field/control.
 
You are close. This is how to format a textbox:

!&&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&

Also, we have this function for creating a formatted string:

<code>

Public Function FormatPaperIBAN(ByVal strIBAN As String) As String

' Formats Electronic IBAN (or Paper IBAN) strIBAN as Paper IBAN.
'
' Example:
'   FR1420041010050500013M02606
' formats as
'   FR14 2004 1010 0505 0001 3M02 606
'
' Limitation: Doesn't validate strIBAN except for string length.
' Use IsStrIBAN(strIBAN) for complete validation.
'
' Requires:
'   MTrim()
'
' 2003-06-25. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  Dim strPaperIBAN  As String
  Dim strFormat     As String
  Dim strTrim       As String
  Dim strGroup      As String
  Dim lngGroups     As Long
  Dim lngIBAN       As Long
  Dim lngLoop       As Long
  
  ' Trim mid spaces from string.
  strTrim = MTrim(strIBAN)
  lngIBAN = Len(strTrim)
  If lngIBAN < pclngLenISO3166Alpha + pclngLenISO7064Check + pclngLenBBANMin Then
    ' Not a possible IBAN string.
  Else
    ' Calculate number of format groups.
    lngGroups = (lngIBAN - 1) \ pclngLenIBANPaperGroup
    ' Build left filling format string forcing uppercase.
    strGroup = String(pclngLenIBANPaperGroup, "&")
    strFormat = "!>" & strGroup
    For lngLoop = 1 To lngGroups
      strFormat = strFormat & Space(pclngLenIBANPaperGroupSpacing) & strGroup
    Next
    ' Fill string from left to right.
    strPaperIBAN = Format(strTrim, strFormat)
  End If
  
  FormatPaperIBAN = strPaperIBAN

End Function

Public Function MTrim(ByVal strString As String) As String

' Trims strString for mid and outer spaces.
'
' 1999-06-23. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  Const cstrSpace As String * 1 = " "
  
  Dim lngTemp As Long
  Dim lngChop As Long
  Dim lngLoop As Long
  Dim strTemp As String
  Dim strTrim As String
    
  strTemp = Trim(strString)
  lngTemp = Len(strTemp)
  If lngTemp > 0 Then
    strTrim = strTemp
    lngChop = 1
    Do
      lngChop = InStr(lngChop, strTrim, cstrSpace)
      If lngChop > 0 Then
        ' A space is found. Shift one character and
        ' overwrite this space in string strTrim.
        lngLoop = lngLoop + 1
        Mid(strTrim, lngChop) = Mid(strTemp, lngChop + lngLoop)
      End If
    Loop Until lngChop = 0
    ' String strTrim now contains no spaces.
  End If
  
  ' Return net length of trimmed string.
  MTrim = Left(strTrim, lngTemp - lngLoop)

End Function


</code>

/gustav
 

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Nov 26 10:48:49 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:48:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] IBAN/BIC length and structure.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF41@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

German is OK
Every Dutch speaking persons understand pretty well German...

When ich das spreche musse kan ich das mit eines heise kartuffel in den mond :-) 
I hope this makes some sense.....


I was on the Swift site, but no way I could find some definitions.
I got more than I needed from U Gustav, Thanks for your code, I'll leave the credit in it...

Dankesch?n...
(Or something :-)


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] IBAN/BIC length and structure.

Hi Erwin

> I'm adding some IBAN and BIC fields to an internationaly used app but 
> can't find some data.
> I found everything I need to know about IBAN code structure and 
> lenght, but i can't seem to find a structure and/or length for the 
> Swift BIC code.
 
> Does anyone knows what the lenght and structure of a BIC code is?

Yes, in German!

Also note this ultimate link:

  http://www.swift.com/biconline/index.cfm


<german>

Jeder SWIFT-Teilnehmer hat eine eindeutige Kennung, den sogenannten BIC (Bank Identifier Code). 
Dieser hat 8 oder 11 Stellen und ist wie folgt aufgebaut : 

bank code
        4 Stellen Alphazeichen frei gew?hlt (Bundesbank z.B. MARK) 

country code
        2 Stellen Alphazeichen, ISO-Code des Landes (in Deutschland also DE) 

location code
        2 Stellen alphanumerisch zur Ortsangabe (z.B. FF f?r Frankfurt) 

branch code
        wahlweise 3 Stellen alphanumerisch zur Bezeichnung von Filialen 

Einige Besonderheiten kann man auch am SWIFT-BIC erkennen: 

Eine Null an der 8. Stelle kennzeichnet eine Testkennung 

Eine 1 an der 8. Stelle gibt an, da? es sich nicht um einen Live-Teilnehmer handelt, der selber an SWIFT angeschlossen ist (sogenannte non-SWIFT BICs). Solche Kennungen k?nnen nur als eine Art "Adre?k?rzel" in Nachrichten benutzt werden, wenn auf diese Bank verwiesen wird, diese Teilnehmer k?nnen aber selber keine Nachrichten
senden oder empfangen     
Bei US-amerikanischen Kennungen gibt die vorletzte Stelle des location codes die Zeitzone (3=Ostk?ste bis 6=Westk?ste) der betreffenden Bank an  

Eine Stelle mit Sende-/Empfangsterminal hat immer eine 8-stellige Kennung, Filialen (11 Stellen) senden immer ?ber die ?bergeordnete 8-stellige Nummer  

Wegen seiner Eindeutigkeit wird ein SWIFT-BIC im grenz?berschreitenden Zahlungsverkehr wie eine Art internationale Bankleitzahl verwendet.
Diese Codes sind nach ISO 9362 genormt und SWIFT ist von ISO als die "registration authority" f?r die Umsetzung der Norm benannt worden.

</german>


We use these declarations and two functions:

<code>

' Module for handling and validation of
'   IBAN, International Bank Account Number
' and
'   BIC, Bank Identifier Code
'
' as well as ISO 7064 MOD 97-10 calculations.
'
' (c) 2003. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  ' Length of short ISO 3166 alpha country code per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenISO3166Alpha              As Long = 2
  ' Lenght of ISO 7064 check number per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenISO7064Check              As Long = 2
  ' Minimum length of BBAN, Basic Bank Account Number.
  ' Emperic value. Normally minimum 4 + 8 but 11 for Norway.
  Private Const pclngLenBBANMin                   As Long = 10
  
  ' Length of BIC bank code per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenBICBank                   As Long = 4
  ' Length of BIC location code per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenBICLocation               As Long = 2
  ' Length of BIC branch code per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenBICBranch                 As Long = 3
  
  ' Maximum length of Electronic IBAN string per definition.
  ' Example: FR1420041010050500013M02606
  Private Const pclngLenIBANElectronicMax         As Long = 34
  ' Length of Paper IBAN group per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenIBANPaperGroup            As Long = 4
  ' Spacing of Paper IBAN groups per definition.
  Private Const pclngLenIBANPaperGroupSpacing     As Long = 1
  
  ' Constants for IsStrISO13616() for verification method.
  Private Const pcbytVerifyISO13616Alphanums      As Byte = 0
  Private Const pcbytVerifyISO13616Chars          As Byte = 1
  Private Const pcbytVerifyISO13616Digits         As Byte = 2
  
  ' Valid IBAN characters, 0-9 and A-Z.
  Private Const pcbytAscIBANDigitMin              As Byte = &H30
  Private Const pcbytAscIBANDigitMax              As Byte = &H39
  Private Const pcbytAscIBANCharMin               As Byte = &H41
  Private Const pcbytAscIBANCharMax               As Byte = &H5A
  ' IBAN value of character "A" per definition.
  Private Const pclngValIBANCharA                 As Long = 10
  ' Offset from IBAN value of char to ASCII value of char.
  Private Const pclngValIBANCharOffset            As Long = pcbytAscIBANCharMin - pclngValIBANCharA
  
  ' Type definition for IBAN string.
  ' An IBAN string consists of:
  '   tIBAN.strISO & tIBAN.strChk & tIBAN.strBBAN
  '
  Private Type tIBAN
    ' Chars only.
    strISO      As String * pclngLenISO3166Alpha
    ' Digits only.
    strChk      As String * pclngLenISO7064Check
    ' Alphanums. Variable length.
    strBBAN     As String
  End Type

  ' Type definition for BIC string.
  ' A BIC string consists of:
  '   tBIC.strBank & tBIC.strCountry & tBIC.strLocation
  ' or
  '   tBIC.strBank & tBIC.strCountry & tBIC.strLocation & tBIC.strBranch
  '
  Private Type tBIC
    ' Chars only.
    StrBank     As String * pclngLenBICBank
    ' Chars only.
    strISO      As String * pclngLenISO3166Alpha
    ' Alphanums.
    strLocation As String * pclngLenBICLocation
    ' Alphanums.
    strBranch   As String * pclngLenBICBranch
  End Type

'----

Public Function IsStrBIC(ByVal strBIC As String) As Boolean

' Verifies if strString is a valid BIC, Bank Interchange Code, or ' S.W.I.F.T. code according to ISO 13616.
' Returns True for strings that can be validated.
' Returns False for all other strings including empty strings.
'
' Requires:
'   IsStrISO13616()
'
' 2003-06-20. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  ' Length of BIC without branch code per definition.
  Const clngBICShort        As Long = pclngLenBICBank + pclngLenISO3166Alpha + pclngLenBICLocation
  ' Length of BIC branch code per definition.
  Const clngBICBranch       As Long = pclngLenBICBranch
  ' Length of BIC with branch code per definition.
  Const clngBICLong         As Long = clngBICShort + clngBICBranch
  
  Dim typBIC  As tBIC
  
  Dim lngLen  As Long
  Dim booChk  As Boolean
    
  lngLen = Len(strBIC)
  ' Check length of strBIC.
  If lngLen = clngBICShort Or lngLen = clngBICLong Then
    ' Extract substrings.
    With typBIC
      .StrBank = Mid(strBIC, 1)
      .strISO = Mid(strBIC, 1 + pclngLenBICBank)
      .strLocation = Mid(strBIC, 1 + pclngLenBICBank + pclngLenISO3166Alpha)
      .strBranch = Mid(strBIC, 1 + clngBICShort)
      ' Verify substrings.
      If IsStrISO13616(.StrBank, pcbytVerifyISO13616Chars) = True Then
        If IsStrISO13616(.strISO, pcbytVerifyISO13616Chars) = True Then
          If IsStrISO13616(.strLocation, pcbytVerifyISO13616Alphanums) = True Then
            If lngLen = clngBICShort Then
              ' Short BIC verified.
              booChk = True
            ElseIf IsStrISO13616(.strBranch, pcbytVerifyISO13616Alphanums) = True Then
              ' Long BIC verified.
              booChk = True
            End If
          End If
        End If
      End If
    End With
  End If
  
  IsStrBIC = booChk

End Function

Public Function IsStrISO13616( _
  ByVal strString As String, _
  Optional ByVal bytAlphaNum As Byte) _
  As Boolean

' Performs a character by character validation according to ISO 13616.
' If bytAlphaNum is 1, only digits are accepted.
' If bytAlphaNum is 2, only chars are accepted.
' If bytAlphaNum is 0, missing or another value than 1 or 2, both ' chars and digits are accepted.
'
' Returns True for strings that can be validated.
' Returns False for all other strings including empty strings.
'
' 2003-06-20. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  Dim lngLoop As Long
  Dim lngLen  As Long
  Dim bytAsc  As Byte
  Dim booChk  As Boolean

  lngLen = Len(strString)
  If lngLen > 0 Then
    booChk = True
    For lngLoop = 1 To lngLen
      ' Check each character.
      bytAsc = Asc(Mid(strString, lngLoop))
      Select Case bytAsc
        Case pcbytAscIBANDigitMin To pcbytAscIBANDigitMax
          ' Digit.
          If bytAlphaNum = pcbytVerifyISO13616Chars Then
            ' Digits not allowed.
            booChk = False
          End If
        Case pcbytAscIBANCharMin To pcbytAscIBANCharMax
          ' Valid non-numeric character.
          If bytAlphaNum = pcbytVerifyISO13616Digits Then
            ' Characters not allowed.
            booChk = False
          End If
        Case Else
          ' Invalid character.
          booChk = False
      End Select
    Next
  End If
  
  IsStrISO13616 = booChk

End Function

</code>

Great fun!

/gustav

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Nov 26 10:54:33 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:54:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Format of a field.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF42@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Well I knew there where some formatting characters, no way I could find
them in the Access Help. I've lost my patience with Access help since
they putted it in HTML format.

Thanks for the code again.

Snifff, this makes me so happy :-)
Lucky me, sniffff...
No overtime today, straight to home....
I'll tell my wife and kid that I'm early today thanks to you....


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Format of a field.

Hi Erwin

> This is probably the first time in probably 10 years I'm looking at 
> the field format in a table again.
> I never used them because of never needed or wanted it.
 
> I want to paper format an IBAN code which is 4 characters space 4 
> characters space 4 characters etc.
 
> something like this
> 1234 ABCD 5678 EFGH 90
 
> The thing is that a IBAN code can be  34 character long wich means if 
> all 34 characters are used you have at the end 2 characters.
> So I formated &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& && But instead 
> of aligning left it aligns right, so my code looks like
> 12 34AB CD56 78EF GH90
> instead of
> 1234 ABCD 5678 EFGH 90
 
> How can I resolve this that the code is left aligned and not right?
> I could write some code to do this, but this is like a real good 
> situation where I could use the format property of a field/control.
 
You are close. This is how to format a textbox:

!&&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&

Also, we have this function for creating a formatted string:

<code>

Public Function FormatPaperIBAN(ByVal strIBAN As String) As String

' Formats Electronic IBAN (or Paper IBAN) strIBAN as Paper IBAN.
'
' Example:
'   FR1420041010050500013M02606
' formats as
'   FR14 2004 1010 0505 0001 3M02 606
'
' Limitation: Doesn't validate strIBAN except for string length.
' Use IsStrIBAN(strIBAN) for complete validation.
'
' Requires:
'   MTrim()
'
' 2003-06-25. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  Dim strPaperIBAN  As String
  Dim strFormat     As String
  Dim strTrim       As String
  Dim strGroup      As String
  Dim lngGroups     As Long
  Dim lngIBAN       As Long
  Dim lngLoop       As Long
  
  ' Trim mid spaces from string.
  strTrim = MTrim(strIBAN)
  lngIBAN = Len(strTrim)
  If lngIBAN < pclngLenISO3166Alpha + pclngLenISO7064Check +
pclngLenBBANMin Then
    ' Not a possible IBAN string.
  Else
    ' Calculate number of format groups.
    lngGroups = (lngIBAN - 1) \ pclngLenIBANPaperGroup
    ' Build left filling format string forcing uppercase.
    strGroup = String(pclngLenIBANPaperGroup, "&")
    strFormat = "!>" & strGroup
    For lngLoop = 1 To lngGroups
      strFormat = strFormat & Space(pclngLenIBANPaperGroupSpacing) &
strGroup
    Next
    ' Fill string from left to right.
    strPaperIBAN = Format(strTrim, strFormat)
  End If
  
  FormatPaperIBAN = strPaperIBAN

End Function

Public Function MTrim(ByVal strString As String) As String

' Trims strString for mid and outer spaces.
'
' 1999-06-23. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  Const cstrSpace As String * 1 = " "
  
  Dim lngTemp As Long
  Dim lngChop As Long
  Dim lngLoop As Long
  Dim strTemp As String
  Dim strTrim As String
    
  strTemp = Trim(strString)
  lngTemp = Len(strTemp)
  If lngTemp > 0 Then
    strTrim = strTemp
    lngChop = 1
    Do
      lngChop = InStr(lngChop, strTrim, cstrSpace)
      If lngChop > 0 Then
        ' A space is found. Shift one character and
        ' overwrite this space in string strTrim.
        lngLoop = lngLoop + 1
        Mid(strTrim, lngChop) = Mid(strTemp, lngChop + lngLoop)
      End If
    Loop Until lngChop = 0
    ' String strTrim now contains no spaces.
  End If
  
  ' Return net length of trimmed string.
  MTrim = Left(strTrim, lngTemp - lngLoop)

End Function


</code>

/gustav
 

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From Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com  Wed Nov 26 10:43:06 2003
From: Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com (Mitsules, Mark S. (Newport News))
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:43:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Format of a field.
Message-ID: <D3E2A213B8F45B4DAC92EB5FD98ED1EF010EB953@nnse14.nns.com>

Erwin,

An input mask would accomplish this

> Causes all characters that follow to be converted to uppercase. 

! Causes the input mask to display from right to left, rather than from left
to right. Characters typed into the mask always fill it from left to right.
You can include the exclamation point anywhere in the input mask. 

a Letter or digit (entry optional). 

If you are dealing with only letters and numbers you could change it to:

!>aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aa

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 11:23 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Format of a field.


This is probably the first time in probably 10 years I'm looking at the
field format in a table again. I never used them because of never needed or
wanted it.
 
I want to paper format an IBAN code which is 4 characters space 4 characters
space 4 characters etc.
 
something like this 
1234 ABCD 5678 EFGH 90
 
The thing is that a IBAN code can be  34 character long wich means if all 34
characters are used you have at the end 2 characters. So I formated &&&&
&&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& && But instead of aligning left it aligns
right, so my code looks like 
12 34AB CD56 78EF GH90
instead of
1234 ABCD 5678 EFGH 90
 
How can I resolve this that the code is left aligned and not right? I could
write some code to do this, but this is like a real good situation where I
could use the format property of a field/control.
 

 

Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder 

www.ithelps.be/jonathan

 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 26 11:04:18 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:04:18 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] IBAN/BIC length and structure.
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF41@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF41@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <19433013560.20031126180418@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

> German is OK
> Every Dutch speaking persons understand pretty well German...

I know.

> When ich das spreche musse kan ich das mit eines heise kartuffel in den mond :-) 
> I hope this makes some sense.....

Yes!

> I was on the Swift site, but no way I could find some definitions.

Not directly, perhaps, but under Standards you'll find many useful
links. But I remember finding it difficult too until I began searching
for German sites.

> I got more than I needed from U Gustav, Thanks for your code, I'll leave the credit in it...

> Dankesch?n...
> (Or something :-)

You're welcome.

/gustav

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:30 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] IBAN/BIC length and structure.

> Hi Erwin


>> I'm adding some IBAN and BIC fields to an internationaly used app but 
>> can't find some data.
>> I found everything I need to know about IBAN code structure and 
>> lenght, but i can't seem to find a structure and/or length for the 
>> Swift BIC code.
 
>> Does anyone knows what the lenght and structure of a BIC code is?

> Yes, in German!

> Also note this ultimate link:

>   http://www.swift.com/biconline/index.cfm


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 26 11:06:25 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:06:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Format of a field.
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF42@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF42@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <3633140723.20031126180625@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

OK. A virtual handkerchief is attached!

/gustav


> Well I knew there where some formatting characters, no way I could find
> them in the Access Help. I've lost my patience with Access help since
> they putted it in HTML format.

> Thanks for the code again.

> Snifff, this makes me so happy :-)
> Lucky me, sniffff...
> No overtime today, straight to home....
> I'll tell my wife and kid that I'm early today thanks to you....


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:38 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Format of a field.

> Hi Erwin

>> This is probably the first time in probably 10 years I'm looking at 
>> the field format in a table again.
>> I never used them because of never needed or wanted it.
 
>> I want to paper format an IBAN code which is 4 characters space 4 
>> characters space 4 characters etc.
 
>> something like this
>> 1234 ABCD 5678 EFGH 90
 
>> The thing is that a IBAN code can be  34 character long wich means if 
>> all 34 characters are used you have at the end 2 characters.
>> So I formated &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& && But instead 
>> of aligning left it aligns right, so my code looks like
>> 12 34AB CD56 78EF GH90
>> instead of
>> 1234 ABCD 5678 EFGH 90
 
>> How can I resolve this that the code is left aligned and not right?
>> I could write some code to do this, but this is like a real good 
>> situation where I could use the format property of a field/control.
 
> You are close. This is how to format a textbox:

> !&&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Wed Nov 26 11:17:08 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:17:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Format of a field.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF43@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Aha, that should be better.

The >  I never use because it is not hard coded in the field.
I use an ucase in the Afterupdate event.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
Mark S. (Newport News)
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Format of a field.

Erwin,

An input mask would accomplish this

> Causes all characters that follow to be converted to uppercase. 

! Causes the input mask to display from right to left, rather than from
left to right. Characters typed into the mask always fill it from left
to right.
You can include the exclamation point anywhere in the input mask. 

a Letter or digit (entry optional). 

If you are dealing with only letters and numbers you could change it to:

!>aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aaaa aa

Mark


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From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 11:23 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Format of a field.


This is probably the first time in probably 10 years I'm looking at the
field format in a table again. I never used them because of never needed
or
wanted it.
 
I want to paper format an IBAN code which is 4 characters space 4
characters
space 4 characters etc.
 
something like this 
1234 ABCD 5678 EFGH 90
 
The thing is that a IBAN code can be  34 character long wich means if
all 34
characters are used you have at the end 2 characters. So I formated &&&&
&&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& &&&& && But instead of aligning left it
aligns
right, so my code looks like 
12 34AB CD56 78EF GH90
instead of
1234 ABCD 5678 EFGH 90
 
How can I resolve this that the code is left aligned and not right? I
could
write some code to do this, but this is like a real good situation where
I
could use the format property of a field/control.
 

 

Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder 

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 26 11:54:36 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:54:36 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
References: <25154556.1069862126779.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
Message-ID: <3FC4E8DC.9090901@shaw.ca>

You might want to look at the project code samples and articles from 
http://www.asptoday.com
It has a cost of $100 a year but really good, if just starting out, with 
long specific examples.
Has had problems in last 6 months since previous owner Wrox went down 
the drain.
There are free sample articles available on a weekly basis.

paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:

>To all,
>I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, returning resultsets in tables from Access & SQL Server etc.
>Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any book recommendations ?
>Thanks in advance for all your help
>Paul Hartland
>_______________________________________________
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>  
>

-- 
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Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Wed Nov 26 12:46:16 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 12:46:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873063952E4@corp-es00>

Check out the ADH p689. I think this is what you are looking for.
regards,
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: pedro at plex.nl [mailto:pedro at plex.nl]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:06 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] 


Hello group,

i want to make adress-labels for 1 single adress. In our hospital we use
sheets of labels. Is there a way on a form when i have selected one user, to
give the position on the report, where the adress on the label must be
printed.

for example

i have a labelsheet with 6 labels. Can i make command buttons an click on
the third commandbutton, so that the adress is placed on the position of
label3 

"labelsheet"

 cmd1   cmd2   cmd3
 
 cmd4   cmd5   cmd6 


TIA

Pedro Janssen

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 26 12:47:33 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:47:33 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
References: <25154556.1069862126779.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
 <3FC4E8DC.9090901@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <3FC4F545.2040205@shaw.ca>

Oh yes and these sites
http://www.aspfree.com
http:/www.asp101.com
http://www.w3schools.com
http://www.aspwire.com
and maybe here
http://www.databasejournal.com/features/msaccess/

MartyConnelly wrote:

> You might want to look at the project code samples and articles from 
> http://www.asptoday.com
> It has a cost of $100 a year but really good, if just starting out, 
> with long specific examples.
> Has had problems in last 6 months since previous owner Wrox went down 
> the drain.
> There are free sample articles available on a weekly basis.
>
> paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:
>
>> To all,
>> I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, returning 
>> resultsets in tables from Access & SQL Server etc.
>> Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any book 
>> recommendations ?
>> Thanks in advance for all your help
>> Paul Hartland
>> _______________________________________________
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>  
>>
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada




From pedro at plex.nl  Wed Nov 26 13:43:05 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:43:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates
References: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F29088526@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>
Message-ID: <000b01c3b456$93fe9cb0$f4c581d5@pedro>

Hello Stephen,

i get 0 as result. Something is going wrong.
The fields normally are text fields.
I changed them into Number fields, Double, 3 decimal places.
I added two fields. MidX and MidY.
Made an update query and updated MidX and -Y. with Int([x or
y]/2500+0.5)*2500

What is going wrong?

Pedro Janssen




----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Bond" <stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:21 PM
Subject: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates


> Pedro,
>
> If you want the numbers to the nearest 2500, in the query put 2 derived
fields
>
>    MidX: Int([x]/2500+0.5)*2500
>    MidY: Int([y]/2500+0.5)*2500
>
> Does this answer your question?
>
> Stephen Bond
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From pedro at plex.nl  Wed Nov 26 13:44:20 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:44:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEGPENAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c3b456$952d31a0$f4c581d5@pedro>

Its a Dymo thermal label printer. How will Dymo do this for me?

Pedro



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:30 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] rotate text


> BTW: Dymo will do this for you if its one of the thermal label printers.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of pedro at plex.nl
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:52 PM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
> >
> >
> > Hello Group,
> >
> > i have a report on which adress-labels are shown. 1 label each. I
> > want to use a dynamo label printer. The problem is that the
> > labels of this printer are vertical. Is there a way to rotate
> > text from a textbox on a report.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Pedro Janssen
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From pedro at plex.nl  Wed Nov 26 13:49:42 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:49:42 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
References: <200311261552.hAQFqNEU001348@mailhostC.plex.net>
	<000c01c3b438$b3c73110$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <000d01c3b456$962acb80$f4c581d5@pedro>

The example on the website you mentioned, only works on labels, not on
textboxes.
I did found this rotate text example before on other websites.
Maybe its an option to make a label from the value in the textbox by code.
But i don't know if its possible and who knows how to do it.

Pedro


----- Original Message -----
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] rotate text


> www.lebans.com
>
> William Hindman
> Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <pedro at plex.nl>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:52 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
>
>
> > Hello Group,
> >
> > i have a report on which adress-labels are shown. 1 label each. I want
to
> use a dynamo label printer. The problem is that the labels of this printer
> are vertical. Is there a way to rotate text from a textbox on a report.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Pedro Janssen
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From steve.grant at stgsolutions.com  Wed Nov 26 13:58:57 2003
From: steve.grant at stgsolutions.com (Steve Grant)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:58:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
In-Reply-To: <3FC4F545.2040205@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001501c3b457$bd08c990$9301110a@ql130>

Also:

www.4guysfromrolla.com
www.15seconds.com 
www.coveryourasp.com 

Also go to www.planetsourcecode.com in the ASP/VB Script world. You will
find tons of small asp samples.

You will have to decide on wich technology you want to work/learn with:
Traditional ASP or ASP.Net. 

If you want to develop/test on your machine, you will need IIS (Internet
Information Server) installed on it. IIS comes with WinXP Professional and
Win2000. Be careful, WinXP Home does *NOT* have IIS bundled with it and you
cannot d/l it separately.

If you are using Win 98 or below you will need PWS (Personal Web Server)
from Microsoft. Do *NOT* install PWS on a WinXP machine.

To use ASP.Net you will need to d/l the .NET Framework from Microsoft's site
and you will need IIS. You do not need Visual Studio .Net to code in .Net
but it's easier if you have it because you can see all the references while
you code.

Learning/working with ASP/ASP.Net is really really fun (at least it's been
for me).

Good luck,


Steve


-----Message d'origine-----
De?: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] De la part de MartyConnelly
Envoy??: 26 novembre 2003 13:48
??: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Objet?: Re: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development

Oh yes and these sites
http://www.aspfree.com
http:/www.asp101.com
http://www.w3schools.com
http://www.aspwire.com
and maybe here
http://www.databasejournal.com/features/msaccess/

MartyConnelly wrote:

> You might want to look at the project code samples and articles from 
> http://www.asptoday.com
> It has a cost of $100 a year but really good, if just starting out, 
> with long specific examples.
> Has had problems in last 6 months since previous owner Wrox went down 
> the drain.
> There are free sample articles available on a weekly basis.
>
> paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:
>
>> To all,
>> I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, returning 
>> resultsets in tables from Access & SQL Server etc.
>> Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any book 
>> recommendations ?
>> Thanks in advance for all your help
>> Paul Hartland
>> _______________________________________________
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>  
>>
>

-- 
Marty Connelly
Victoria, B.C.
Canada



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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 26 14:13:45 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:13:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
References: 	<200311261552.hAQFqNEU001348@mailhostC.plex.net><000c01c3b438$b3c73110$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
	<000d01c3b456$962acb80$f4c581d5@pedro>
Message-ID: <001001c3b459$cb74e2f0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...don't know what you're looking at Pedro but the control acts just like a
text box ...you can bind it to a record source, etc.

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pedro Janssen" <pedro at plex.nl>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] rotate text


> The example on the website you mentioned, only works on labels, not on
> textboxes.
> I did found this rotate text example before on other websites.
> Maybe its an option to make a label from the value in the textbox by code.
> But i don't know if its possible and who knows how to do it.
>
> Pedro
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] rotate text
>
>
> > www.lebans.com
> >
> > William Hindman
> > Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> > government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <pedro at plex.nl>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:52 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
> >
> >
> > > Hello Group,
> > >
> > > i have a report on which adress-labels are shown. 1 label each. I want
> to
> > use a dynamo label printer. The problem is that the labels of this
printer
> > are vertical. Is there a way to rotate text from a textbox on a report.
> > >
> > > TIA
> > >
> > > Pedro Janssen
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
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>



From tomk at multiline.com.au  Wed Nov 26 14:20:51 2003
From: tomk at multiline.com.au (Tom Keatley)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 04:20:51 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
References: <200311261552.hAQFqNEU001348@mailhostC.plex.net>
Message-ID: <004601c3b45a$cb689170$0300a8c0@print>

> Hello Group,
>
> i have a report on which adress-labels are shown. 1 label each. I want to
use a dynamo label printer. The problem is that the labels of this printer
are vertical. Is there a way to rotate text from a textbox on a report.


I have been using TILT 1.2 for a couple of years to rotate text on a
report... its a great little control and best of all FREE.

Its much better than the commercial control from a company beginning with
F...

Its pretty self explanatory in the sample db included in the download but if
you need any help with it let me know ....

http://home.planet.nl/~cruqsoft/tilt.htm

REgards

Tom Keatley


From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 26 14:33:34 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:33:34 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
In-Reply-To: <000d01c3b456$962acb80$f4c581d5@pedro>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMEHDENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Pedro,
I assumed you wanted to rotate the text for printout only (not the text in
the control). Is this correct?

If so I'll send you some code.

jb

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 1:50 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] rotate text
>
>
> The example on the website you mentioned, only works on labels, not on
> textboxes.
> I did found this rotate text example before on other websites.
> Maybe its an option to make a label from the value in the textbox by code.
> But i don't know if its possible and who knows how to do it.
>
> Pedro
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] rotate text
>
>
> > www.lebans.com
> >
> > William Hindman
> > Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
> > government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <pedro at plex.nl>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:52 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
> >
> >
> > > Hello Group,
> > >
> > > i have a report on which adress-labels are shown. 1 label each. I want
> to
> > use a dynamo label printer. The problem is that the labels of
> this printer
> > are vertical. Is there a way to rotate text from a textbox on a report.
> > >
> > > TIA
> > >
> > > Pedro Janssen
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed Nov 26 15:01:41 2003
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:01:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
In-Reply-To: <25154556.1069862126779.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
Message-ID: <JGENLKHHDJPDMMDICAKIGEBCHNAB.kathryn@bassett.net>

You got some good sites, but as for "tools", I highly recommend Dreamweaver. It's not cheap but it's made me so enthusiastic about doing web development, that I've now got 10 sites - and two of them I get paid for. If it sounds interesting to you, go to:
http://www.blueworld.com/blueworld/lists/dreamweaver.html
and subscribe to the Dreamweaver list.
It's like a "family" there, very much like the DBA "family". Lots of professionals, as well as beginners - even a couple of Macromedia people. Everything you want to do has been discussed on the list, so lots of help.

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> paul.hartland at fsmail.net
> Sent: 26 Nov 2003 7:55:AM
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
> 
> 
> To all,
> I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, returning resultsets in 
> tables from Access & SQL Server etc.
> Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any book recommendations ?
> Thanks in advance for all your help
> Paul Hartland
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Wed Nov 26 15:15:49 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 10:15:49 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F298F3B@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Yes, I assumed the X and Y would be numbers.  However, I have changed the table fields to Text(10), re-run the query and it still works OK.  Sending a small MDB (A2K) to you off-line.

Stephen Bond

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pedro Janssen [mailto:pedro at plex.nl]
> Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2003 8:43 a.m.
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates
> 
> 
> Hello Stephen,
> 
> i get 0 as result. Something is going wrong.
> The fields normally are text fields.
> I changed them into Number fields, Double, 3 decimal places.
> I added two fields. MidX and MidY.
> Made an update query and updated MidX and -Y. with Int([x or
> y]/2500+0.5)*2500
> 
> What is going wrong?
> 
> Pedro Janssen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Bond" <stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:21 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] middle X and Y coordinates
> 
> 
> > Pedro,
> >
> > If you want the numbers to the nearest 2500, in the query 
> put 2 derived
> fields
> >
> >    MidX: Int([x]/2500+0.5)*2500
> >    MidY: Int([y]/2500+0.5)*2500
> >
> > Does this answer your question?
> >
> > Stephen Bond
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Nov 26 15:18:21 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:18:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275FF@main2.marlow.com>

I probably wouldn't have even noticed, but I was hunting down memory issues
on my server, and realized that service was put on Manual for some
reason....oops! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 7:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....


Thanks for staying on top of that Drew, the searchable archives are a great
asset to this community.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 5:22 PM
> To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
>
>
> Apparently my 'indexer' hasn't been running since late september.  So
> searches on messages since then would have produced nothing.  Fixed the
> problem earlier today, and now the indexing is all caught up.  Oooops.
>
> Drew
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Nov 26 15:19:32 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:19:32 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227600@main2.marlow.com>

ASP?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:55 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development


To all,
I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, returning
resultsets in tables from Access & SQL Server etc.
Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any book
recommendations ?
Thanks in advance for all your help
Paul Hartland
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From joeget at vgernet.net  Wed Nov 26 15:36:38 2003
From: joeget at vgernet.net (John Eget)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:36:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] backend application protection
Message-ID: <001d01c3b465$6371ba00$3dc2f63f@Desktop>

I have a split (backend on server and front end on individuals PC) access 2000 application that I would like to protect the backend from having people use the shift key bypass option to open the database in design mode and have individuals play with the backend tables. Does anyone have a solution to this? Would I still be able to do design/work myself if needed?
I found someone in the database tables today just cruising around out of curiosity
Thanks in advance
John

From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 26 15:35:04 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:35:04 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF8022275FF@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMEHEENAA.john@winhaven.net>

I meant to ask you a couple of times about it. I searched on things that I
know we just discussed but I couldn't find them!

But I thought I was just bad at searching :o)

jb

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:18 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
>
>
> I probably wouldn't have even noticed, but I was hunting down
> memory issues
> on my server, and realized that service was put on Manual for some
> reason....oops! <grin>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 7:52 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
>
>
> Thanks for staying on top of that Drew, the searchable archives
> are a great
> asset to this community.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 5:22 PM
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
> >
> >
> > Apparently my 'indexer' hasn't been running since late september.  So
> > searches on messages since then would have produced nothing.  Fixed the
> > problem earlier today, and now the indexing is all caught up.  Oooops.
> >
> > Drew
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> >
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Nov 26 15:43:43 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:43:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] backend application protection
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227601@main2.marlow.com>

Use code to disable the shift bypass key. (Help file, look for
AllowShiftBypassKey).  Then just make an AutoExec macro that has the command
Quit.  

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Eget [mailto:joeget at vgernet.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:37 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] backend application protection


I have a split (backend on server and front end on individuals PC) access
2000 application that I would like to protect the backend from having people
use the shift key bypass option to open the database in design mode and have
individuals play with the backend tables. Does anyone have a solution to
this? Would I still be able to do design/work myself if needed?
I found someone in the database tables today just cruising around out of
curiosity
Thanks in advance
John
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Nov 26 15:49:28 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:49:28 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227602@main2.marlow.com>

Hehehe.  I know.  It's a two step process.  My print server has the Archiver
service, which logs into our mailserver (at work here) through a VPN, looks
for new messages (in the normal folder and an archive folder), it then dumps
the new mail into the database, and marks them as archived (by setting a
subject).  That runs every 2 hours.  Sort of.  I have something running for
Mike Mattys that is run through that process, and if it kicks off, it can
take an hour or two before the archiving actually occurs.  The second
process is the indexer (which is what indexes the memo fields that the
messages are stored in.).  That indexer runs on my main server, and runs
every hour, but only indexes 200 messages at a time. (Because it takes about
10 to 20 minutes to index 200 messages, and I didn't want the indexer to hog
the server).

What actually happened was for some reason, I set the index tables to have a
max field size of 100 on the word tables.  Someone posted a word over that
limit, cause it was erroring by saying that the data was too big for the
field.  So yesterday, I set the field limit to 255 on all the index tables,
and kicked off the indexer service again.  Why I set it to 100, I don't
know.  It doesn't really matter, cause Access doesn't take up extra space, I
guess I just thought there would never be a word bigger then 100 characters.
Now that I think about it, I wonder what word caused the problem! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....


I meant to ask you a couple of times about it. I searched on things that I
know we just discussed but I couldn't find them!

But I thought I was just bad at searching :o)

jb

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:18 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
>
>
> I probably wouldn't have even noticed, but I was hunting down
> memory issues
> on my server, and realized that service was put on Manual for some
> reason....oops! <grin>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 7:52 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
>
>
> Thanks for staying on top of that Drew, the searchable archives
> are a great
> asset to this community.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 5:22 PM
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
> >
> >
> > Apparently my 'indexer' hasn't been running since late september.  So
> > searches on messages since then would have produced nothing.  Fixed the
> > problem earlier today, and now the indexing is all caught up.  Oooops.
> >
> > Drew
> > _______________________________________________
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 26 16:02:46 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:02:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227602@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEHFENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Sounds like a non-word to me!

If you know what mean.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:49 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
>
>
> Hehehe.  I know.  It's a two step process.  My print server has
> the Archiver
> service, which logs into our mailserver (at work here) through a
> VPN, looks
> for new messages (in the normal folder and an archive folder), it
> then dumps
> the new mail into the database, and marks them as archived (by setting a
> subject).  That runs every 2 hours.  Sort of.  I have something
> running for
> Mike Mattys that is run through that process, and if it kicks off, it can
> take an hour or two before the archiving actually occurs.  The second
> process is the indexer (which is what indexes the memo fields that the
> messages are stored in.).  That indexer runs on my main server, and runs
> every hour, but only indexes 200 messages at a time. (Because it
> takes about
> 10 to 20 minutes to index 200 messages, and I didn't want the
> indexer to hog
> the server).
>
> What actually happened was for some reason, I set the index
> tables to have a
> max field size of 100 on the word tables.  Someone posted a word over that
> limit, cause it was erroring by saying that the data was too big for the
> field.  So yesterday, I set the field limit to 255 on all the
> index tables,
> and kicked off the indexer service again.  Why I set it to 100, I don't
> know.  It doesn't really matter, cause Access doesn't take up
> extra space, I
> guess I just thought there would never be a word bigger then 100
> characters.
> Now that I think about it, I wonder what word caused the problem! <grin>
>
> Drew
>



From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 26 16:04:56 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:04:56 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] backend application protection
In-Reply-To: <001d01c3b465$6371ba00$3dc2f63f@Desktop>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJEEFAFGAA.john@winhaven.net>

John:
What I do is have my standard info screen as the start up form. That form
has two small transparent command buttons (cmdABKT and cmdABKF) on it in a
place no one thinks to double click. These allow me to set the bypass key on
or off as I need to. (The database window is hidden on startup of course)

You could just have a security warning form come up too. Heck, you could
even log the system user name while your at it, maybe even tell them your
logging it. Have some fun, scare the jeebies out of them!
:o)

Here's the code I use, if you find any gaping wholes in it or something let
me know.

John B.

Code Start
--------------------------------------------------
Private Sub cmdABKT_DblClick(intCancel As Integer)
   ' Comments   : turns on bypass key option
   ChangeProperty "AllowBypassKey", dbBoolean, True
End Sub

Private Sub cmdABKF_DblClick(intCancel As Integer)
   ' Comments   : turns off bypass key option
   ChangeProperty "AllowBypassKey", dbBoolean, False
End Sub

Function ChangeProperty(strPropName As String, varPropType As Variant,
varPropValue As Variant) As Integer
   ' Comments   : changes submitted property value
   ' Parameters : strPropName
   '              varPropType
   '              varPropValue -
   ' Returns    : Integer -
   Dim dbs As Database
   Dim prp As Property
   Dim strMsg As String
   Dim varReturn As Variant
   Const conPropNotFoundError As Long = 3270
   Set dbs = CurrentDb
   On Error GoTo Change_Err
   'set property
   dbs.Properties(strPropName) = varPropValue
   'read property
   Set prp = dbs.Properties(strPropName)
   strMsg = prp
   MsgBox strMsg
   ChangeProperty = True
Change_Exit:
   Exit Function
Change_Err:
   If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then  ' Property not found.
      Set prp = dbs.CreateProperty(strPropName, varPropType, varPropValue)
      dbs.Properties.Append prp
      Resume Next
   Else
      ' Unknown error.
      ChangeProperty = False
      Resume Change_Exit
   End If
End Function
--------------------------------------------------
Code End



From john at winhaven.net  Wed Nov 26 16:15:09 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:15:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] backend application protection
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJEEFAFGAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMEHFENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Oops, I forgot to mention that I also minimize the Access Window so only the
Pop-up form is showing. That's a lot of code to post though so If you're
interested let me know.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:05 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] backend application protection
>
>
> John:
> What I do is have my standard info screen as the start up form. That form
> has two small transparent command buttons (cmdABKT and cmdABKF) on it in a
> place no one thinks to double click. These allow me to set the
> bypass key on
> or off as I need to. (The database window is hidden on startup of course)
>
> You could just have a security warning form come up too. Heck, you could
> even log the system user name while your at it, maybe even tell them your
> logging it. Have some fun, scare the jeebies out of them!
> :o)
>
> Here's the code I use, if you find any gaping wholes in it or
> something let
> me know.
>
> John B.
>
> Code Start
> --------------------------------------------------
> Private Sub cmdABKT_DblClick(intCancel As Integer)
>    ' Comments   : turns on bypass key option
>    ChangeProperty "AllowBypassKey", dbBoolean, True
> End Sub
>
> Private Sub cmdABKF_DblClick(intCancel As Integer)
>    ' Comments   : turns off bypass key option
>    ChangeProperty "AllowBypassKey", dbBoolean, False
> End Sub
>
> Function ChangeProperty(strPropName As String, varPropType As Variant,
> varPropValue As Variant) As Integer
>    ' Comments   : changes submitted property value
>    ' Parameters : strPropName
>    '              varPropType
>    '              varPropValue -
>    ' Returns    : Integer -
>    Dim dbs As Database
>    Dim prp As Property
>    Dim strMsg As String
>    Dim varReturn As Variant
>    Const conPropNotFoundError As Long = 3270
>    Set dbs = CurrentDb
>    On Error GoTo Change_Err
>    'set property
>    dbs.Properties(strPropName) = varPropValue
>    'read property
>    Set prp = dbs.Properties(strPropName)
>    strMsg = prp
>    MsgBox strMsg
>    ChangeProperty = True
> Change_Exit:
>    Exit Function
> Change_Err:
>    If Err = conPropNotFoundError Then  ' Property not found.
>       Set prp = dbs.CreateProperty(strPropName, varPropType, varPropValue)
>       dbs.Properties.Append prp
>       Resume Next
>    Else
>       ' Unknown error.
>       ChangeProperty = False
>       Resume Change_Exit
>    End If
> End Function
> --------------------------------------------------
> Code End
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed Nov 26 16:54:33 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:54:33 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227603@main2.marlow.com>

Paul, I have been developing ASP project for quite some time now.  I think I
can narrow down what you REALLY need to know to get started.

First of all, before you dig into web development, you MUST understand how a
web server and web pages work.  It is a whole different ball of wax compared
to an Access FE.  With an Access FE, you create forms and reports, and each
user has a copy (or uses a shared FE) of the front end.  This has several
drawbacks.  First of all, if you have copies of the FE all over, you have to
create an update process to push out new changes.  If you have a shared FE,
then you have to kick everyone out to update the process.  On top of that, a
user can be anywhere, so there can always be issues of where things are
located.  One user may have a share mapped to S, while another has it mapped
to T.  UNC's can handle this, but then there is also the issue of whether
people are able to even get to the locations involved.  On a web server, all
of these issues are moot.  

The way a web server works, is the client opens their browser and requests a
web page.  Let's say they go to http://MyWebsite.com.  The browser does a
few things, one of which is it sends an http request to the server sitting
at whatever mywebsite.com resolves too.  (http is Hyper Text Transfer
Protocol.  HTML is Hyper Text Markup Language.  So, HTTP is the protocol
uses to transport HTML.).  The server at the other end gets an http request
for it's root directory.  Notice the URL doesn't have a specific file (this
is a KEY point to remember).  That is just fine and dandy, because a
webserver can be asked for a page by just the 'folder', since each folder
can have a default document setup.  In most cases it is index.htm or
default.asp, but it can quite frankly be any document you want (or even a
list of documents).  For our example, let's say it's default.asp.  The web
server then reads the default.asp page and runs it through it's ISAPI
filters.  These are filters that cause various things to be done to the HTML
that is going to be sent back.  Two good examples of this are includes and
ASP itself.  Includes are when you mark another file or files to be included
within the document.  So, if you have a header that you want on every page,
instead of putting the HTML for that header on every page, you put the
header in it's own file, and just include it in all of your pages.  The
include ISAPI filter then incorporates that HTML in the outgoing HTML.  You
can also include .asp code, similar to putting code in a module, versus
behind every form/report.  The ASP ISAPI filter is a little more complex.
Instead of just replacing text, it actually 'works' the ASP code on the
page. 

This is the CORE of ASP.  What the end user get's, is just the outgoing
HTML.  They never get the ASP code itself.  ASP can either be passive or
dynamic.  My own terms for the two actions ASP can perform.  Passive is when
the ASP does something that the users can't see. Dynamic is when ASP does
something that the users DO see.  For example.  If the default.asp page was
like this:

<%
dim cnn
dim rs
dim strSQL
set cnn=server.createobject("ADODB.Connection")
set rs=server.createobject("ADODB.Recordset")
cnn.Provider="Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
cnn.Open "E:\MyDB.mdb"
strSQL="SELECT Hit FROM tblHits;"
rs.Open strSQL,cnn,1,3
rs.AddNew
rs.Fields(0).value=1
rs.Update
rs.close
set rs=nothing
cnn.close
set cnn=nothing
%>
<HTML>
Hello
</HTML>

The end user will get a page that says hello, but internally, the ASP page
has added a record to a database, in this case, a simple hit counter.  This
is passive, since the user will always get 'Hello', no matter what they do.
The ASP code is doing work, but it's something the end user doesn't see.

Dynamic ASP pages are where the output the user sees is directly affected by
the ASP code.  To do this, you must either use the = symbol (which is a
shortcut to have the ASP send something out with the resulting HTML stream),
or the response.write procedure.

For example, let's have default.asp be this:

<%
dim strIP
strIP=request.ServerVariables("REMOTE_ADDR")
%>
<HTML>
Your IP Address is: <%=strIP%> <br>
<%
response.write "Have a nice day."
%>
</HTML>

What the user will see is a message that has their IP address, like this:

Your IP Address is: 65.65.125.209
Have a nice day.

We used the equal since to 'insert' something into the normal HTML with ASP,
and then we used response.write to directly output a string into the
outgoing HTML stream.

The last thing to remember when dealing with a web server is that the end
users are getting whatever the web server hands out, the moment they request
it.  Once they get the resulting HTML stream, and their browser displays the
page, there is no longer a connection to the file they requested.  That
means if you are constantly updating asp pages, the end users will just
simply get the 'current' results at the time of their request.  No kicking
everyone out, etc.  Pretty handy.

Three more items to cover. Above was the biggie.  First of the three.  HTML.
HTML is actually pretty simple.  I personally used Front Page when I started
out, to let it do the HTML for me, then after a few months of going back and
forth, I just got the hang of it, and I rarely ever use FP for writing the
HTML anymore.  The two key items to remember with HTML is that everything is
written with tags.  Some tags are stand alone, such as <BR> (which is a line
break), and some tags must have a start and finish (<HTML> and </HTML>, or
an easier example <b> and </b> which is for bolding text).  Tags also can
have properties.  For example, an anchor tag (for hyperlinks) is a.  <a
href="http://wolfwares.com">Click here to go to Wolfwares.com</a>  <a starts
the tag, it has an href property, which is the URL of the site/file the
hyperlink points too, then the tag is closed with the >, and between the
start tag, and the closing tag </a>, there is text, which is what the user
will see as the text of the hyperlink.  The second key item to remember with
HTML is that no matter what format you write the HTML in, what the user sees
in the browser is determine by the TAGS, not by the HTML code.

So if you write:

<HTML>
This is a 
Test
</HTML>

The user sees:
This is a Test

If you write:
<HTML>This is a <br>Test</HTML>

The user sees:
This is a
Test

Second of the three is a BIG difference between Access and ASP.  Access runs
it's code on the users processor.  This is both good and bad.  Bad, because
the end user must have Access (or a run-time installed).  Also, bad because
users on slower machines are going to be delayed longer then users on fast
machines.  Good, because as long as the end users have the correct
software/runtimes, your application should almost be gauranteed to work.
With ASP, if you write standard HTML, it doesn't matter what you have the
ASP code do.  Your ASP code only has to run on the web server.  Your clients
can be running Pentium 4's, with IE, or Mac's with Netscape, and everyone
sees the same results.  A client running a 2.6 gigahertz on a 56k modem is
going to run your application at the same speed (well, pretty much the same
speed) as a client running a 486 66mhz with a 56k modem.  In fact, if your
pages are light enough on the output (little to no graphics, just plain
HTML.....) there isn't going to be much of a difference between a modem user
or a broad band user. Text transfers pretty quickly....though you could have
slow downs if there is just a ton of text being sent (like combo boxes that
have thousands of items in their lists).  The final issue with this part is
client side scripting.  I personally stay away from it like the plague,
unless it's for in house projects where I know everyone is using IE. So try
to make your applications run strictly with ASP, unless absolutely
necessary.

Third of the three.  The real nuts and bolts of ASP.  ASP can be written in
JScript or VBScript.  Quite frankly I have never bothered to use JScript,
since VBScript is practically second nature.  When writting ASP, you enclose
the ASP code with <% and %> (start and end tags for ASP), and then write
away with VBScript.  There are two things to remember/research. ASP is
VBScript with extra objects (Application,
ObjectContext,Request,ASPError,Response,Server,Session). The three you are
going to deal with the most are Request, Response and Server.  Request gives
you access to what you have been 'sent' by the user. It can be used to read
cookies, server variables (which include Usernames, passwords,IP Addresses,
browser types, etc.), and form data. Response is what you use to send data
back to the user (response.write outputs to the HTML stream, redirect can
actually change the URL the end user is receiving, etc.).  Server is the
webserver itself. The two main methods you will probably use are
MapPath(Which let's you map a virtual or actual path to a file) and
CreateObject.  That CreateObject is the big catch with ASP and VBScript.  In
normal VBScript you just call CreateObject.  But with ASP, you must use the
Server Object's CreateObject method to create an object in VBScript.
(Because the object must be created by the webserver).

That's ASP in a nutshell.  The first item I talked about is a little
difficult to figure out from the MSDN, the rest is in the MSDN, but can
still be a little difficult to figure out.  The details on everything (HTML
tags, ASP objects, etc.) are pretty much well explained in the MSDN though.

The last thing you will need to know about ASP pages versus Access FE's is
how to get data FROM the user. (we already discussed sending it to them,
with the response.write method).  I mentioned the request object.  The two
methods of getting data from the user are through forms and querystrings.  A
querystring is what follows a URL (after a ?).  So, if you have a URL like
this: http://MyWebsite.com/default.asp?MyValue=10 , you can retrieve the
value of MyValue by using the request.QueryString method, like this:

<%
response.write request.QueryString("MyValue")
%>

If you have an HTML form, and you POST the data:

<HTML>
<BODY>
<Form Name="MyForm" Method=post action="results.asp">
<input type=text name="MyValue">
<input type=submit>
</form>
</body>
</HTML>

The resulting page will have a textbox, and a submit button.  Pressing the
submit button will send the data within the MyValue textbox to results.asp.
So if results.asp was this:

<%
response.write request.form("MyValue")
%>

The results page will output whatever was in the textbox.

The key difference between a QueryString and a Form is that QueryStrings are
limited by the max length of a URL (which is, I think, 2048
characters...maybe 1024 characters, not sure).  Where as a form is not
limited in the amount of data that can be submitted.  You can also refer to
a request 'variable' by just the request object.  request("MyValue") can be
a value in either a QueryString OR a Form.

Phew, what an email.  This was fun to write though.  Keep in mind that ASP
doesn't directly like DAO, so write your code using ADO.  Feel free to
contact me offlist if you have specific questions.  I may get hammered for
the length of this email, but I think it's pertinent to Access development
on the web!

Drew



-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:55 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development


To all,
I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, returning
resultsets in tables from Access & SQL Server etc.
Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any book
recommendations ?
Thanks in advance for all your help
Paul Hartland
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 26 19:25:36 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:25:36 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227603@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMECEDAAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Drew:

Have you ever thought about writing a book on the subject...You have
finished chapter one.

...I teasing... :-)

Very good introductory
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 2:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development


Paul, I have been developing ASP project for quite some time now.  I think I
can narrow down what you REALLY need to know to get started.

First of all, before you dig into web development, you MUST understand how a
web server and web pages work.  It is a whole different ball of wax compared
to an Access FE.  With an Access FE, you create forms and reports, and each
user has a copy (or uses a shared FE) of the front end.  This has several
drawbacks.  First of all, if you have copies of the FE all over, you have to
create an update process to push out new changes.  If you have a shared FE,
then you have to kick everyone out to update the process.  On top of that, a
user can be anywhere, so there can always be issues of where things are
located.  One user may have a share mapped to S, while another has it mapped
to T.  UNC's can handle this, but then there is also the issue of whether
people are able to even get to the locations involved.  On a web server, all
of these issues are moot.

The way a web server works, is the client opens their browser and requests a
web page.  Let's say they go to http://MyWebsite.com.  The browser does a
few things, one of which is it sends an http request to the server sitting
at whatever mywebsite.com resolves too.  (http is Hyper Text Transfer
Protocol.  HTML is Hyper Text Markup Language.  So, HTTP is the protocol
uses to transport HTML.).  The server at the other end gets an http request
for it's root directory.  Notice the URL doesn't have a specific file (this
is a KEY point to remember).  That is just fine and dandy, because a
webserver can be asked for a page by just the 'folder', since each folder
can have a default document setup.  In most cases it is index.htm or
default.asp, but it can quite frankly be any document you want (or even a
list of documents).  For our example, let's say it's default.asp.  The web
server then reads the default.asp page and runs it through it's ISAPI
filters.  These are filters that cause various things to be done to the HTML
that is going to be sent back.  Two good examples of this are includes and
ASP itself.  Includes are when you mark another file or files to be included
within the document.  So, if you have a header that you want on every page,
instead of putting the HTML for that header on every page, you put the
header in it's own file, and just include it in all of your pages.  The
include ISAPI filter then incorporates that HTML in the outgoing HTML.  You
can also include .asp code, similar to putting code in a module, versus
behind every form/report.  The ASP ISAPI filter is a little more complex.
Instead of just replacing text, it actually 'works' the ASP code on the
page.

This is the CORE of ASP.  What the end user get's, is just the outgoing
HTML.  They never get the ASP code itself.  ASP can either be passive or
dynamic.  My own terms for the two actions ASP can perform.  Passive is when
the ASP does something that the users can't see. Dynamic is when ASP does
something that the users DO see.  For example.  If the default.asp page was
like this:

<%
dim cnn
dim rs
dim strSQL
set cnn=server.createobject("ADODB.Connection")
set rs=server.createobject("ADODB.Recordset")
cnn.Provider="Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
cnn.Open "E:\MyDB.mdb"
strSQL="SELECT Hit FROM tblHits;"
rs.Open strSQL,cnn,1,3
rs.AddNew
rs.Fields(0).value=1
rs.Update
rs.close
set rs=nothing
cnn.close
set cnn=nothing
%>
<HTML>
Hello
</HTML>

The end user will get a page that says hello, but internally, the ASP page
has added a record to a database, in this case, a simple hit counter.  This
is passive, since the user will always get 'Hello', no matter what they do.
The ASP code is doing work, but it's something the end user doesn't see.

Dynamic ASP pages are where the output the user sees is directly affected by
the ASP code.  To do this, you must either use the = symbol (which is a
shortcut to have the ASP send something out with the resulting HTML stream),
or the response.write procedure.

For example, let's have default.asp be this:

<%
dim strIP
strIP=request.ServerVariables("REMOTE_ADDR")
%>
<HTML>
Your IP Address is: <%=strIP%> <br>
<%
response.write "Have a nice day."
%>
</HTML>

What the user will see is a message that has their IP address, like this:

Your IP Address is: 65.65.125.209
Have a nice day.

We used the equal since to 'insert' something into the normal HTML with ASP,
and then we used response.write to directly output a string into the
outgoing HTML stream.

The last thing to remember when dealing with a web server is that the end
users are getting whatever the web server hands out, the moment they request
it.  Once they get the resulting HTML stream, and their browser displays the
page, there is no longer a connection to the file they requested.  That
means if you are constantly updating asp pages, the end users will just
simply get the 'current' results at the time of their request.  No kicking
everyone out, etc.  Pretty handy.

Three more items to cover. Above was the biggie.  First of the three.  HTML.
HTML is actually pretty simple.  I personally used Front Page when I started
out, to let it do the HTML for me, then after a few months of going back and
forth, I just got the hang of it, and I rarely ever use FP for writing the
HTML anymore.  The two key items to remember with HTML is that everything is
written with tags.  Some tags are stand alone, such as <BR> (which is a line
break), and some tags must have a start and finish (<HTML> and </HTML>, or
an easier example <b> and </b> which is for bolding text).  Tags also can
have properties.  For example, an anchor tag (for hyperlinks) is a.  <a
href="http://wolfwares.com">Click here to go to Wolfwares.com</a>  <a starts
the tag, it has an href property, which is the URL of the site/file the
hyperlink points too, then the tag is closed with the >, and between the
start tag, and the closing tag </a>, there is text, which is what the user
will see as the text of the hyperlink.  The second key item to remember with
HTML is that no matter what format you write the HTML in, what the user sees
in the browser is determine by the TAGS, not by the HTML code.

So if you write:

<HTML>
This is a
Test
</HTML>

The user sees:
This is a Test

If you write:
<HTML>This is a <br>Test</HTML>

The user sees:
This is a
Test

Second of the three is a BIG difference between Access and ASP.  Access runs
it's code on the users processor.  This is both good and bad.  Bad, because
the end user must have Access (or a run-time installed).  Also, bad because
users on slower machines are going to be delayed longer then users on fast
machines.  Good, because as long as the end users have the correct
software/runtimes, your application should almost be gauranteed to work.
With ASP, if you write standard HTML, it doesn't matter what you have the
ASP code do.  Your ASP code only has to run on the web server.  Your clients
can be running Pentium 4's, with IE, or Mac's with Netscape, and everyone
sees the same results.  A client running a 2.6 gigahertz on a 56k modem is
going to run your application at the same speed (well, pretty much the same
speed) as a client running a 486 66mhz with a 56k modem.  In fact, if your
pages are light enough on the output (little to no graphics, just plain
HTML.....) there isn't going to be much of a difference between a modem user
or a broad band user. Text transfers pretty quickly....though you could have
slow downs if there is just a ton of text being sent (like combo boxes that
have thousands of items in their lists).  The final issue with this part is
client side scripting.  I personally stay away from it like the plague,
unless it's for in house projects where I know everyone is using IE. So try
to make your applications run strictly with ASP, unless absolutely
necessary.

Third of the three.  The real nuts and bolts of ASP.  ASP can be written in
JScript or VBScript.  Quite frankly I have never bothered to use JScript,
since VBScript is practically second nature.  When writting ASP, you enclose
the ASP code with <% and %> (start and end tags for ASP), and then write
away with VBScript.  There are two things to remember/research. ASP is
VBScript with extra objects (Application,
ObjectContext,Request,ASPError,Response,Server,Session). The three you are
going to deal with the most are Request, Response and Server.  Request gives
you access to what you have been 'sent' by the user. It can be used to read
cookies, server variables (which include Usernames, passwords,IP Addresses,
browser types, etc.), and form data. Response is what you use to send data
back to the user (response.write outputs to the HTML stream, redirect can
actually change the URL the end user is receiving, etc.).  Server is the
webserver itself. The two main methods you will probably use are
MapPath(Which let's you map a virtual or actual path to a file) and
CreateObject.  That CreateObject is the big catch with ASP and VBScript.  In
normal VBScript you just call CreateObject.  But with ASP, you must use the
Server Object's CreateObject method to create an object in VBScript.
(Because the object must be created by the webserver).

That's ASP in a nutshell.  The first item I talked about is a little
difficult to figure out from the MSDN, the rest is in the MSDN, but can
still be a little difficult to figure out.  The details on everything (HTML
tags, ASP objects, etc.) are pretty much well explained in the MSDN though.

The last thing you will need to know about ASP pages versus Access FE's is
how to get data FROM the user. (we already discussed sending it to them,
with the response.write method).  I mentioned the request object.  The two
methods of getting data from the user are through forms and querystrings.  A
querystring is what follows a URL (after a ?).  So, if you have a URL like
this: http://MyWebsite.com/default.asp?MyValue=10 , you can retrieve the
value of MyValue by using the request.QueryString method, like this:

<%
response.write request.QueryString("MyValue")
%>

If you have an HTML form, and you POST the data:

<HTML>
<BODY>
<Form Name="MyForm" Method=post action="results.asp">
<input type=text name="MyValue">
<input type=submit>
</form>
</body>
</HTML>

The resulting page will have a textbox, and a submit button.  Pressing the
submit button will send the data within the MyValue textbox to results.asp.
So if results.asp was this:

<%
response.write request.form("MyValue")
%>

The results page will output whatever was in the textbox.

The key difference between a QueryString and a Form is that QueryStrings are
limited by the max length of a URL (which is, I think, 2048
characters...maybe 1024 characters, not sure).  Where as a form is not
limited in the amount of data that can be submitted.  You can also refer to
a request 'variable' by just the request object.  request("MyValue") can be
a value in either a QueryString OR a Form.

Phew, what an email.  This was fun to write though.  Keep in mind that ASP
doesn't directly like DAO, so write your code using ADO.  Feel free to
contact me offlist if you have specific questions.  I may get hammered for
the length of this email, but I think it's pertinent to Access development
on the web!

Drew



-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:55 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development


To all,
I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, returning
resultsets in tables from Access & SQL Server etc.
Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any book
recommendations ?
Thanks in advance for all your help
Paul Hartland
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au  Wed Nov 26 20:22:15 2003
From: connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au (connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 13:22:15 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] backend application protection
Message-ID: <OF1CD571DA.07F24FB8-ONCA256DEB.000CC8C5@agric.nsw.gov.au>

John,
We use an application at our place of business written by one John Colby 
(list frequenter)
It allows us to protect the backend from users but also open with bypass 
when necessary.

If John Colby is watching maybe he can enlighten you as to the workings of 
or how to obtain same.

Connie Kamrowski

Analyst/Programmer
Information Technology
NSW Agriculture
Orange NSW 
Australia 

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 26 20:58:35 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:58:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] backend application protection
References: <OF1CD571DA.07F24FB8-ONCA256DEB.000CC8C5@agric.nsw.gov.au>
Message-ID: <000401c3b492$594ab900$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>

...lol ...JC ..."list frequenter" ...heck Connie, JC and Lembit (with a few
others) invented the current version of AccessD :)

www.colbyconsulting.com

William Hindman
Government is not reason, government is not persuasion,
government is force. It is a dangerous servant." G. Washington

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From: <connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] backend application protection


> John,
> We use an application at our place of business written by one John Colby
> (list frequenter)
> It allows us to protect the backend from users but also open with bypass
> when necessary.
>
> If John Colby is watching maybe he can enlighten you as to the workings of
> or how to obtain same.
>
> Connie Kamrowski
>
> Analyst/Programmer
> Information Technology
> NSW Agriculture
> Orange NSW
> Australia
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 27 02:34:51 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 03:34:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] backend application protection
In-Reply-To: <OF1CD571DA.07F24FB8-ONCA256DEB.000CC8C5@agric.nsw.gov.au>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAELMFNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

The program to which Connie refers is called C2DbProperties.  It can be
found on my web site.  It is a standalone application which allows you to
set the database properties of any mda/b/e from outside of that mda/b/e.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
connie.kamrowski at agric.nsw.gov.au
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] backend application protection


John,
We use an application at our place of business written by one John Colby
(list frequenter)
It allows us to protect the backend from users but also open with bypass
when necessary.

If John Colby is watching maybe he can enlighten you as to the workings of
or how to obtain same.

Connie Kamrowski

Analyst/Programmer
Information Technology
NSW Agriculture
Orange NSW
Australia

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Thu Nov 27 04:48:59 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:48:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Connect Access to Database of Windows Media Player 9
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF4E@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Has anyone ever tried (succesfully) to link Access to the Windows Media
Player Database?
If this is evenposible? 
For read and write?
 
I'm putting my whole CD/Vinyl collection on pc and want to print labels
and lists for storage purposes so if I'm looking for the physical media
I know where to search (Rack/Box).
Adding some barcode labels to each media would be a thing too...
 
But I still want to use WMP9 as the main database.
 
Greetz
 

 

Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder 

www.ithelps.be/jonathan

 

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Nov 27 05:12:25 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:12:25 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227603@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <015d01c3b4d7$56e4f640$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

No Way you're going to "get hammered". The mods may take a (friendly) stick
to you sometimes when you go off on one about beer, traffic or whatever but
rest assured we hugely appreciate the efforts you make to help people on
this list. And I second Jim's call - Write a book, or at least a series of
aticles for Many-To-Many. Susan's tking of another issue soon so this would
be a terrific subject.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 26 November 2003 22:55
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
> 
> 
> Paul, I have been developing ASP project for quite some time 
> now.  I think I can narrow down what you REALLY need to know 
> to get started.
> 
> First of all, before you dig into web development, you MUST 
> understand how a web server and web pages work.  It is a 
> whole different ball of wax compared to an Access FE.  With 
> an Access FE, you create forms and reports, and each user has 
> a copy (or uses a shared FE) of the front end.  This has 
> several drawbacks.  First of all, if you have copies of the 
> FE all over, you have to create an update process to push out 
> new changes.  If you have a shared FE, then you have to kick 
> everyone out to update the process.  On top of that, a user 
> can be anywhere, so there can always be issues of where 
> things are located.  One user may have a share mapped to S, 
> while another has it mapped to T.  UNC's can handle this, but 
> then there is also the issue of whether people are able to 
> even get to the locations involved.  On a web server, all of 
> these issues are moot.  
> 
> The way a web server works, is the client opens their browser 
> and requests a web page.  Let's say they go to 
> http://MyWebsite.com.  The browser does a few things, one of 
> which is it sends an http request to the server sitting at 
> whatever mywebsite.com resolves too.  (http is Hyper Text 
> Transfer Protocol.  HTML is Hyper Text Markup Language.  So, 
> HTTP is the protocol uses to transport HTML.).  The server at 
> the other end gets an http request for it's root directory.  
> Notice the URL doesn't have a specific file (this is a KEY 
> point to remember).  That is just fine and dandy, because a 
> webserver can be asked for a page by just the 'folder', since 
> each folder can have a default document setup.  In most cases 
> it is index.htm or default.asp, but it can quite frankly be 
> any document you want (or even a list of documents).  For our 
> example, let's say it's default.asp.  The web server then 
> reads the default.asp page and runs it through it's ISAPI 
> filters.  These are filters that cause various things to be 
> done to the HTML that is going to be sent back.  Two good 
> examples of this are includes and ASP itself.  Includes are 
> when you mark another file or files to be included within the 
> document.  So, if you have a header that you want on every 
> page, instead of putting the HTML for that header on every 
> page, you put the header in it's own file, and just include 
> it in all of your pages.  The include ISAPI filter then 
> incorporates that HTML in the outgoing HTML.  You can also 
> include .asp code, similar to putting code in a module, 
> versus behind every form/report.  The ASP ISAPI filter is a 
> little more complex. Instead of just replacing text, it 
> actually 'works' the ASP code on the page. 
> 
> This is the CORE of ASP.  What the end user get's, is just 
> the outgoing HTML.  They never get the ASP code itself.  ASP 
> can either be passive or dynamic.  My own terms for the two 
> actions ASP can perform.  Passive is when the ASP does 
> something that the users can't see. Dynamic is when ASP does 
> something that the users DO see.  For example.  If the 
> default.asp page was like this:
> 
> <%
> dim cnn
> dim rs
> dim strSQL
> set cnn=server.createobject("ADODB.Connection")
> set rs=server.createobject("ADODB.Recordset")
> cnn.Provider="Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
> cnn.Open "E:\MyDB.mdb"
> strSQL="SELECT Hit FROM tblHits;"
> rs.Open strSQL,cnn,1,3
> rs.AddNew
> rs.Fields(0).value=1
> rs.Update
> rs.close
> set rs=nothing
> cnn.close
> set cnn=nothing
> %>
> <HTML>
> Hello
> </HTML>
> 
> The end user will get a page that says hello, but internally, 
> the ASP page has added a record to a database, in this case, 
> a simple hit counter.  This is passive, since the user will 
> always get 'Hello', no matter what they do. The ASP code is 
> doing work, but it's something the end user doesn't see.
> 
> Dynamic ASP pages are where the output the user sees is 
> directly affected by the ASP code.  To do this, you must 
> either use the = symbol (which is a shortcut to have the ASP 
> send something out with the resulting HTML stream), or the 
> response.write procedure.
> 
> For example, let's have default.asp be this:
> 
> <%
> dim strIP
> strIP=request.ServerVariables("REMOTE_ADDR")
> %>
> <HTML>
> Your IP Address is: <%=strIP%> <br>
> <%
> response.write "Have a nice day."
> %>
> </HTML>
> 
> What the user will see is a message that has their IP 
> address, like this:
> 
> Your IP Address is: 65.65.125.209
> Have a nice day.
> 
> We used the equal since to 'insert' something into the normal 
> HTML with ASP, and then we used response.write to directly 
> output a string into the outgoing HTML stream.
> 
> The last thing to remember when dealing with a web server is 
> that the end users are getting whatever the web server hands 
> out, the moment they request it.  Once they get the resulting 
> HTML stream, and their browser displays the page, there is no 
> longer a connection to the file they requested.  That means 
> if you are constantly updating asp pages, the end users will 
> just simply get the 'current' results at the time of their 
> request.  No kicking everyone out, etc.  Pretty handy.
> 
> Three more items to cover. Above was the biggie.  First of 
> the three.  HTML. HTML is actually pretty simple.  I 
> personally used Front Page when I started out, to let it do 
> the HTML for me, then after a few months of going back and 
> forth, I just got the hang of it, and I rarely ever use FP 
> for writing the HTML anymore.  The two key items to remember 
> with HTML is that everything is written with tags.  Some tags 
> are stand alone, such as <BR> (which is a line break), and 
> some tags must have a start and finish (<HTML> and </HTML>, 
> or an easier example <b> and </b> which is for bolding text). 
>  Tags also can have properties.  For example, an anchor tag 
> (for hyperlinks) is a.  <a href="http://wolfwares.com">Click 
> here to go to Wolfwares.com</a>  <a starts the tag, it has an 
> href property, which is the URL of the site/file the 
> hyperlink points too, then the tag is closed with the >, and 
> between the start tag, and the closing tag </a>, there is 
> text, which is what the user will see as the text of the 
> hyperlink.  The second key item to remember with HTML is that 
> no matter what format you write the HTML in, what the user 
> sees in the browser is determine by the TAGS, not by the HTML code.
> 
> So if you write:
> 
> <HTML>
> This is a 
> Test
> </HTML>
> 
> The user sees:
> This is a Test
> 
> If you write:
> <HTML>This is a <br>Test</HTML>
> 
> The user sees:
> This is a
> Test
> 
> Second of the three is a BIG difference between Access and 
> ASP.  Access runs it's code on the users processor.  This is 
> both good and bad.  Bad, because the end user must have 
> Access (or a run-time installed).  Also, bad because users on 
> slower machines are going to be delayed longer then users on 
> fast machines.  Good, because as long as the end users have 
> the correct software/runtimes, your application should almost 
> be gauranteed to work. With ASP, if you write standard HTML, 
> it doesn't matter what you have the ASP code do.  Your ASP 
> code only has to run on the web server.  Your clients can be 
> running Pentium 4's, with IE, or Mac's with Netscape, and 
> everyone sees the same results.  A client running a 2.6 
> gigahertz on a 56k modem is going to run your application at 
> the same speed (well, pretty much the same
> speed) as a client running a 486 66mhz with a 56k modem.  In 
> fact, if your pages are light enough on the output (little to 
> no graphics, just plain
> HTML.....) there isn't going to be much of a difference 
> between a modem user or a broad band user. Text transfers 
> pretty quickly....though you could have slow downs if there 
> is just a ton of text being sent (like combo boxes that have 
> thousands of items in their lists).  The final issue with 
> this part is client side scripting.  I personally stay away 
> from it like the plague, unless it's for in house projects 
> where I know everyone is using IE. So try to make your 
> applications run strictly with ASP, unless absolutely necessary.
> 
> Third of the three.  The real nuts and bolts of ASP.  ASP can 
> be written in JScript or VBScript.  Quite frankly I have 
> never bothered to use JScript, since VBScript is practically 
> second nature.  When writting ASP, you enclose the ASP code 
> with <% and %> (start and end tags for ASP), and then write 
> away with VBScript.  There are two things to 
> remember/research. ASP is VBScript with extra objects 
> (Application, 
> ObjectContext,Request,ASPError,Response,Server,Session). The 
> three you are going to deal with the most are Request, 
> Response and Server.  Request gives you access to what you 
> have been 'sent' by the user. It can be used to read cookies, 
> server variables (which include Usernames, passwords,IP 
> Addresses, browser types, etc.), and form data. Response is 
> what you use to send data back to the user (response.write 
> outputs to the HTML stream, redirect can actually change the 
> URL the end user is receiving, etc.).  Server is the 
> webserver itself. The two main methods you will probably use 
> are MapPath(Which let's you map a virtual or actual path to a 
> file) and CreateObject.  That CreateObject is the big catch 
> with ASP and VBScript.  In normal VBScript you just call 
> CreateObject.  But with ASP, you must use the Server Object's 
> CreateObject method to create an object in VBScript. (Because 
> the object must be created by the webserver).
> 
> That's ASP in a nutshell.  The first item I talked about is a 
> little difficult to figure out from the MSDN, the rest is in 
> the MSDN, but can still be a little difficult to figure out.  
> The details on everything (HTML tags, ASP objects, etc.) are 
> pretty much well explained in the MSDN though.
> 
> The last thing you will need to know about ASP pages versus 
> Access FE's is how to get data FROM the user. (we already 
> discussed sending it to them, with the response.write 
> method).  I mentioned the request object.  The two methods of 
> getting data from the user are through forms and 
> querystrings.  A querystring is what follows a URL (after a 
> ?).  So, if you have a URL like
> this: http://MyWebsite.com/default.asp?MyValue=10 , you can 
> retrieve the value of MyValue by using the 
> request.QueryString method, like this:
> 
> <%
> response.write request.QueryString("MyValue")
> %>
> 
> If you have an HTML form, and you POST the data:
> 
> <HTML>
> <BODY>
> <Form Name="MyForm" Method=post action="results.asp">
> <input type=text name="MyValue">
> <input type=submit>
> </form>
> </body>
> </HTML>
> 
> The resulting page will have a textbox, and a submit button.  
> Pressing the submit button will send the data within the 
> MyValue textbox to results.asp. So if results.asp was this:
> 
> <%
> response.write request.form("MyValue")
> %>
> 
> The results page will output whatever was in the textbox.
> 
> The key difference between a QueryString and a Form is that 
> QueryStrings are limited by the max length of a URL (which 
> is, I think, 2048 characters...maybe 1024 characters, not 
> sure).  Where as a form is not limited in the amount of data 
> that can be submitted.  You can also refer to a request 
> 'variable' by just the request object.  request("MyValue") 
> can be a value in either a QueryString OR a Form.
> 
> Phew, what an email.  This was fun to write though.  Keep in 
> mind that ASP doesn't directly like DAO, so write your code 
> using ADO.  Feel free to contact me offlist if you have 
> specific questions.  I may get hammered for the length of 
> this email, but I think it's pertinent to Access development 
> on the web!
> 
> Drew
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:55 AM
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
> 
> 
> To all,
> I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, 
> returning resultsets in tables from Access & SQL Server etc. 
> Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any 
> book recommendations ? Thanks in advance for all your help 
> Paul Hartland _______________________________________________
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From sgoodhall at comcast.net  Thu Nov 27 09:42:26 2003
From: sgoodhall at comcast.net (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 10:42:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] backend application protection
In-Reply-To: <001d01c3b465$6371ba00$3dc2f63f@Desktop>
Message-ID: <GOEIJOAPGAMPLIOCMEPMOENICNAA.sgoodhall@comcast.net>

You can lock up the back end using Access Security.  It won't stop your user
from opening the database, but it will stop them from changing anything.
There is a sample application on my web site, www.goodhall.info/steve.
Click on the "Useful Software" link and download the first item.  All of the
usual disclaimers apply.

Regards,

Steve Goodhall


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Eget
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:37 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] backend application protection


I have a split (backend on server and front end on individuals PC) access
2000 application that I would like to protect the backend from having people
use the shift key bypass option to open the database in design mode and have
individuals play with the backend tables. Does anyone have a solution to
this? Would I still be able to do design/work myself if needed?
I found someone in the database tables today just cruising around out of
curiosity
Thanks in advance
John
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 27 10:08:05 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 10:08:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Accessing Oracle BLOB via MS Access
Message-ID: <BAY2-F96KZmcK8r6beU00015c60@hotmail.com>

Hi Jack,

I also work with Oracle data in Access but have been able to work around the 
field problem you ask about though luck as I haven't needed any of those 
fields in my apps. I am wondering if a pass-through query with an instr or 
the like to reformat the data on teh Oracle side before it get's sent over 
to the Access side of things would work? In a Pass Trhough query you are 
using Oracle SQL and you should be able to access those fields that way and 
if you can format them into regular string type fields through something 
like the instring function (like a left or a mid function in Access) it may 
do the job for you.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca
>Reply-To: Access Developers discussion and problem 
>solving<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Accessing Oracle BLOB via MS Access
>Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:40:02 -0500
>
>I'm hoping someone has an answer or advice on this. We have Oracle 9i with 
>a
>table containing Blob/Clob data types. We also do a lot of data base 
>queries
>against Oracle via Access 97 and Access 2000. (ODBC ADO).
>
>A new application has the blob/clob. Attempting to access these fields 
>gives
>an error in Access. Does anyone have a technique or samples of how to 
>access
>this Oracle data type with Access 97 or 2000?
>
>TIA.
>Jack
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From lytlenj at juno.com  Thu Nov 27 10:45:17 2003
From: lytlenj at juno.com (Nancy J Lytle)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:45:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Same report 2 different summary cases
Message-ID: <20031127.114517.3272.1.lytlenj@juno.com>

I have a report that is driving me crazy and I know it is something easy
I am just not getting.

The report is a summary of purchase requests that have been processed.
The information is summarized by FY; ProgramCode; Category and
TransactionCode.
Each programCode has up to 3 categories and  many transactioncodes.  Each
transactioncode in a category in a program can have more than one
purchase request.

The problem is in summarizing when there is more than one purchase order
within a single transactioncode within a single category within a
programcode within a single year.


FY 1
    Program 1
        Category 1
            Transaction 1 - each trans has initial funding plus changes
in funding that equal the current authorization
                Purchase Request1 
                Purchase Request2

            Transaction 2
                PurchaseRequest3

Category Summary:   CurrentAuthorization: Initial Authorization +
Changes. The problem is that if the Transaction has more than one PR it
adds a Current Authorization amount for each PR there is, which means in
this case the Current Authorization would be twice what it should be.

Program 2
        Category 1
            Transaction 1
                Purchase Request1
                
            Transaction 2
                PurchaseRequest1

   
Sum for Category - this is the problem area, I can get it work or either
multiple PR's per Transaction or  one PR per Transaction but not for both
situations.

Actually I am doing sums for Transaction, Category and Program, but it is
only the Category one I am having problems with at this point

I would like to use something like the below code as the Control Source
for the Category Summary to account for the two different situations but
can't seem to get it to work, the error message says missing operator:

IIf((Count(qryCSPEL_rptELTEST.PR_PANumber) AS CountOfPR_PANumber FROM
qryCSPEL_rptELTEST GROUP BY qryCSPEL_rptELTEST.Transaction,
qryCSPEL_rptELTEST.Category, qryCSPEL_rptELTEST.ProgramCode) =1),
[CurrentAuth],Sum([CurrentAuth]))

Any ideas about the code or how else I could approach the problem

TIA,
Nancy

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Nov 27 10:55:31 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:55:31 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Same report 2 different summary cases
In-Reply-To: <20031127.114517.3272.1.lytlenj@juno.com>
Message-ID: <003801c3b507$44e913b0$b274d0d5@minster33c3r25>

Nancy
I'm sure there'll be other ideas but could you take the Current
Authorisation out of the query, leaving the query to list all the purchase
requests, and put it into the report as an unbound calculated field with a
Dsum?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Nancy J Lytle
> Sent: 27 November 2003 16:45
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Same report 2 different summary cases
> 
> 
> I have a report that is driving me crazy and I know it is 
> something easy I am just not getting.
> 
> The report is a summary of purchase requests that have been 
> processed. The information is summarized by FY; ProgramCode; 
> Category and TransactionCode. Each programCode has up to 3 
> categories and  many transactioncodes.  Each transactioncode 
> in a category in a program can have more than one purchase request.
> 
> The problem is in summarizing when there is more than one 
> purchase order within a single transactioncode within a 
> single category within a programcode within a single year.
> 
> 
> FY 1
>     Program 1
>         Category 1
>             Transaction 1 - each trans has initial funding 
> plus changes in funding that equal the current authorization
>                 Purchase Request1 
>                 Purchase Request2
> 
>             Transaction 2
>                 PurchaseRequest3
> 
> Category Summary:   CurrentAuthorization: Initial Authorization +
> Changes. The problem is that if the Transaction has more than 
> one PR it adds a Current Authorization amount for each PR 
> there is, which means in this case the Current Authorization 
> would be twice what it should be.
> 
> Program 2
>         Category 1
>             Transaction 1
>                 Purchase Request1
>                 
>             Transaction 2
>                 PurchaseRequest1
> 
>    
> Sum for Category - this is the problem area, I can get it 
> work or either multiple PR's per Transaction or  one PR per 
> Transaction but not for both situations.
> 
> Actually I am doing sums for Transaction, Category and 
> Program, but it is only the Category one I am having problems 
> with at this point
> 
> I would like to use something like the below code as the 
> Control Source for the Category Summary to account for the 
> two different situations but can't seem to get it to work, 
> the error message says missing operator:
> 
> IIf((Count(qryCSPEL_rptELTEST.PR_PANumber) AS 
> CountOfPR_PANumber FROM qryCSPEL_rptELTEST GROUP BY 
> qryCSPEL_rptELTEST.Transaction, qryCSPEL_rptELTEST.Category, 
> qryCSPEL_rptELTEST.ProgramCode) =1),
> [CurrentAuth],Sum([CurrentAuth]))
> 
> Any ideas about the code or how else I could approach the problem
> 
> TIA,
> Nancy
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 27 11:19:34 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:19:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIENBFNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Have ya ever... wished you had a place to store all the registry tweaks you
run across?  I have run across so many things where they tell you to go to
the registry and set / clear / delete some entry.  I can NEVER remember
where I found the tweak, but I always remember I was supposed to do some
unnamed thing to make something happen.

It all started with securing IIS.  An article I ran across gives a handful
of registry tweaks to tighten up security.  Of course I can use regedit but
how blas?

Well I just whipped out a little database to hold the key / value name /
value and a memo about the registry key, as well as a parent "topic" table
that lets me organize the entries by a topic of my choosing, complete with
memo.  At the moment you have to type the registry key / value name / value
in, but once you do you can press a button and the entry is created in the
registry.  It uses a registry class for anyone interested in how to read /
write the registry (or doesn't want to write their own) courtesy of a VB
Techniques article written by Eric Smith on 3/29/2000.  I also use a few
withevent classes for those of you who want to see how I use Withevents to
run the basic forms.

I may (probably will) eventually write code to back up an existing key
before modification, read registry chunks into the table etc.  Not there
yet.

I think it would be cool to organize a huge "registry tweak" database where
anyone interested gets this database and enters their favorite tweak, then
donates their tweaks to a pool.  I can take care of merging everyone's
tweaks into a single database and get the resulting pool up on my web site.

Anyone interested?  Anyone know of a public domain db that I can get tweaks
already in a db?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com



From john at winhaven.net  Thu Nov 27 11:52:57 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:52:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIENBFNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMEHKENAA.john@winhaven.net>

Hi John,
I actually just keep Reg Tweaks it in my "Code and Tips DB" - which is
really lame compared to what you're doing here. I keep everything in there
now just because otherwise I have to search too many places to find
something that doesn't fit into a category just right. Basically code,
tweaks, bugs, articles, and valuable software (for things that I don't keep
loaded but use for one thing)

Each is broken down into Category, General Area of Application, Description,
Item Details (Code, Article Text, etc), Who and where it came from, The date
I added it, what product it is used in and when it was last modified.

It would be nice to be able to have a Code and Tips DB that was integrated
but still had cool functionality like what you propose.

We had at one time started a CodeDB list, I haven't seen anything on that
list for months so I guess its dead in the water.

In any case, I would definitely contribute any Reg tweaks I have to your DB.

John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:20 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
>
>
> Have ya ever... wished you had a place to store all the registry
> tweaks you
> run across?  I have run across so many things where they tell you to go to
> the registry and set / clear / delete some entry.  I can NEVER remember
> where I found the tweak, but I always remember I was supposed to do some
> unnamed thing to make something happen.
>
> It all started with securing IIS.  An article I ran across gives a handful
> of registry tweaks to tighten up security.  Of course I can use
> regedit but
> how blas?
>
> Well I just whipped out a little database to hold the key / value name /
> value and a memo about the registry key, as well as a parent "topic" table
> that lets me organize the entries by a topic of my choosing, complete with
> memo.  At the moment you have to type the registry key / value
> name / value
> in, but once you do you can press a button and the entry is created in the
> registry.  It uses a registry class for anyone interested in how to read /
> write the registry (or doesn't want to write their own) courtesy of a VB
> Techniques article written by Eric Smith on 3/29/2000.  I also use a few
> withevent classes for those of you who want to see how I use Withevents to
> run the basic forms.
>
> I may (probably will) eventually write code to back up an existing key
> before modification, read registry chunks into the table etc.  Not there
> yet.
>
> I think it would be cool to organize a huge "registry tweak"
> database where
> anyone interested gets this database and enters their favorite tweak, then
> donates their tweaks to a pool.  I can take care of merging everyone's
> tweaks into a single database and get the resulting pool up on my
> web site.
>
> Anyone interested?  Anyone know of a public domain db that I can
> get tweaks
> already in a db?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
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From pedro at plex.nl  Thu Nov 27 17:06:50 2003
From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 00:06:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] rotate text
References: 	<200311261552.hAQFqNEU001348@mailhostC.plex.net><000c01c3b438$b3c73110$6001a8c0@dejpolsys><000d01c3b456$962acb80$f4c581d5@pedro>
	<001001c3b459$cb74e2f0$6001a8c0@dejpolsys>
Message-ID: <000d01c3b53b$566651f0$fcc581d5@pedro>

I want to thank John, Tom and William,

for the suggestions on rotating text.
I used the ActiveX from www.lebans.com because it is easy to use and
you can use it also on textboxes. Some other programs can only be used
on labels.

Pedro Janssen



From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Nov 28 02:38:14 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 09:38:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] NTFS new/changed file report by OS in Access
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF51@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Dear Friends
 
NTFS  has the posibilty to report to an app when a new file  is added or
changed in a folder.
So instead of screening a folder for new files app, its rather the OS
that reports to the app that new or changed files are in a certain
folder.
Has anyone tried to use this in Access?
I supose this is some kind of an API call.
This is very true for WXP don't not for W2K.
 
Thx
 

 

Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder 

www.ithelps.be/jonathan

 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 28 03:37:27 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:37:27 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] NTFS new/changed file report by OS in Access
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF51@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF51@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <575846857.20031128103727@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

> NTFS  has the posibilty to report to an app when a new file  is added or
> changed in a folder.
> So instead of screening a folder for new files app, its rather the OS
> that reports to the app that new or changed files are in a certain
> folder.
> Has anyone tried to use this in Access?
> I supose this is some kind of an API call.
> This is very true for WXP don't not for W2K.

Yes, J?rgen Welz helped me with this for Win2000 but it appears to
only work reliably for changes "now and then", not for busy traffic.

Look up the archive on these:

  2002-02-19: On Timer Events

and a repost/quote

  2002-04-23: Monitoring Directories

If you can achieve better results I would be most interested in
learning about it.

/gustav


From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Nov 28 05:33:00 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:33:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] NTFS new/changed file report by OS in Access
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF52@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Ok Thanks, I look into it. 

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Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 10:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] NTFS new/changed file report by OS in Access

Hi Erwin

> NTFS  has the posibilty to report to an app when a new file  is added 
> or changed in a folder.
> So instead of screening a folder for new files app, its rather the OS 
> that reports to the app that new or changed files are in a certain 
> folder.
> Has anyone tried to use this in Access?
> I supose this is some kind of an API call.
> This is very true for WXP don't not for W2K.

Yes, J?rgen Welz helped me with this for Win2000 but it appears to only work reliably for changes "now and then", not for busy traffic.

Look up the archive on these:

  2002-02-19: On Timer Events

and a repost/quote

  2002-04-23: Monitoring Directories

If you can achieve better results I would be most interested in learning about it.

/gustav

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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri Nov 28 06:07:05 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:07:05 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] TransferSpreadsheet, TransferText
Message-ID: <4761904.1070021225900.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005>

To all,
I'm writing a VB application which I need to import an Excel spreadsheet and/or a text file into a database.....Is there a VB command similar to this or does someone have some sample code that I could see to get me started...
Thanks in advance
Paul Hartland

From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri Nov 28 06:07:05 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:07:05 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VB] TransferSpreadsheet, TransferText
Message-ID: <4761904.1070021225900.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005>

To all,
I'm writing a VB application which I need to import an Excel spreadsheet and/or a text file into a database.....Is there a VB command similar to this or does someone have some sample code that I could see to get me started...
Thanks in advance
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Nov 28 08:49:45 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:49:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Cut Paste actionto tabsheet  looses events.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF5C@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

When you cut and past controls to move controls from a tabsheets control
(?! don't know correct name in English) they always looses their
events....
 
The code is still there, but in the properties is no longer
eventprocedure (?!)  marked.
So if you click on the tree dots the event is back.
But that would take me to go over each control and verify the code if
which events exists for which control.
Is there a way that Access will put the events in the properties
automaticaly?
 
A cut and past is necesary because moving to a tab does not work...
 

 

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From artful at rogers.com  Fri Nov 28 12:53:01 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:53:01 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database
In-Reply-To: <003201c3b21d$2e0e9850$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <000001c3b5e0$de1b78f0$6701a8c0@rock>

Thanks for this. It's a start, but what I don't see is how I can apply
so that I can walk all the tables and all the fields, finding the Yes/No
fields without knowing their names beforehand, and then applying the
changes.

Arthur

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Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 3:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database


Arthur, 

This works in A97, DAO
Since I have made the first field "0;Yes", then "Yes"
becomes the default value for the field.

Public Function fnYesNo2CBO()
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Set db = CurrentDb
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "DisplayControl", 3, 111, 111
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "RowSourceType", dbText, "Value List", "Value List"
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "RowSource", dbText, "0;Yes;1;No", "0;Yes;1;No"
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "ColumnCount", 3, 2, 2
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "ColumnWidths", dbText, "0, 720", "0, 720"
    Set db = Nothing
End Function

Private Function SetAccessProperty(obj As Object, strName As String, _
        intType As Integer, varSetting As Variant, _
        Optional SetToWhat As String) As Boolean
    Dim prp As DAO.Property
    Const conPropNotFound As Integer = 3270

    On Error GoTo ErrorSetAccessProperty
    ' Explicitly refer to Properties collection.
    obj.Properties(strName) = varSetting
    obj.Properties.Refresh
    If SetToWhat <> "" Then
        obj.Properties(strName).Value = SetToWhat
        obj.Properties.Refresh
    End If
    SetAccessProperty = True
    
ExitSetAccessProperty:
    Exit Function
    
ErrorSetAccessProperty:
    If Err = conPropNotFound Then

' Create property, denote type, and set initial value.
        Set prp = obj.CreateProperty(strName, intType, varSetting)
        ' Append Property object to Properties collection.
        obj.Properties.append prp
        obj.Properties(strName).Value = SetToWhat
        obj.Properties.Refresh
        SetAccessProperty = True
        Resume ExitSetAccessProperty
    Else
        MsgBox Err & ": " & vbCrLf & Err.Description
        SetAccessProperty = False
        Resume ExitSetAccessProperty
    End If
End Function


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 7:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database


> I've been working on this database lately, and I made all the Yes/No 
> fields CheckBoxes. Turns out the client hates CheckBoxes and wants 
> Yes/No combos instead. So I need a routine to walk every table and 
> change the properties of every Yes/No field from CheckBox to Combo + 
> Value List, "-1","Yes", "0","No", column count = 2, column widths = 
> 0".
> 
> Anyone got such a routine or something close that I can rework to suit

> my needs?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> 
> 
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From sgoodhall at comcast.net  Fri Nov 28 10:11:48 2003
From: sgoodhall at comcast.net (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 11:11:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VB] TransferSpreadsheet, TransferText
In-Reply-To: <4761904.1070021225900.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005>
Message-ID: <GOEIJOAPGAMPLIOCMEPMIEPPCNAA.sgoodhall@comcast.net>

One way that I find useful is to treat the Excel workbook as an ODBC data
source.  This method will also work with CSV text files.  This gets around
many of the field type problems that can arise with the transfer methods or
with linking worksheets as tables.  Code for this is on my web site,
http://www.goodhall.info/steve/, click on "Useful Software" and download the
second item.

Regards,

Steve Goodhall


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paul.hartland at fsmail.net
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 7:07 AM
To: dba-vb
Cc: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VB] TransferSpreadsheet, TransferText


To all,
I'm writing a VB application which I need to import an Excel spreadsheet
and/or a text file into a database.....Is there a VB command similar to this
or does someone have some sample code that I could see to get me started...
Thanks in advance
Paul Hartland
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri Nov 28 10:18:04 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:18:04 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Basic Question/Access
Message-ID: <32122179.1070036284838.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>

To all,
 
I created a VB6 application a while back, I added the Microsoft Access 10.0 Object Library so that I could import spreadsheets & text files using DoCmd.TransferText or DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet commands.  All worked fine so I left it as it was, I have just gone to run it and I get the error message:
 
            This Operation Requires An Open Database.
 
I haven?t changed any code and it worked the last time I ran the application.  So I guess I need to know either why it may not be working now or how I can get it to work.  Or is there another way I can change this.
 
Thanks in advance for any help.
 
Paul Hartland

From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri Nov 28 10:18:04 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:18:04 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VB] Visual Basic Question/Access
Message-ID: <32122179.1070036284838.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>

To all,
 
I created a VB6 application a while back, I added the Microsoft Access 10.0 Object Library so that I could import spreadsheets & text files using DoCmd.TransferText or DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet commands.  All worked fine so I left it as it was, I have just gone to run it and I get the error message:
 
            This Operation Requires An Open Database.
 
I haven?t changed any code and it worked the last time I ran the application.  So I guess I need to know either why it may not be working now or how I can get it to work.  Or is there another way I can change this.
 
Thanks in advance for any help.
 
Paul Hartland
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From starkey at wanadoo.nl  Fri Nov 28 10:48:27 2003
From: starkey at wanadoo.nl (StaRKeY)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:48:27 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VB] TransferSpreadsheet, TransferText
In-Reply-To: <4761904.1070021225900.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005>
Message-ID: <LBEOIIMDLCKFLLKNJCMEIEJLCLAA.starkey@wanadoo.nl>

Hi Paul,

sorry no code but in VB you should use the Objectmodel of Excel. Create a
new instance and set the worksheet to the file. Then using the objectmodel
you're able to read out the specific values and append them to a table using
a recordset/SQL. I assume the sheet will always look the same or is used
only once.


Regards,
Eric STarkenburg

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Sent: vrijdag 28 november 2003 13:07
To: dba-vb
Cc: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-VB] TransferSpreadsheet, TransferText


To all,
I'm writing a VB application which I need to import an Excel spreadsheet
and/or a text file into a database.....Is there a VB command similar to this
or does someone have some sample code that I could see to get me started...
Thanks in advance
Paul Hartland
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From starkey at wanadoo.nl  Fri Nov 28 10:57:04 2003
From: starkey at wanadoo.nl (StaRKeY)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:57:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Basic Question/Access
In-Reply-To: <32122179.1070036284838.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004>
Message-ID: <LBEOIIMDLCKFLLKNJCMEAEJMCLAA.starkey@wanadoo.nl>

Paul,

I am not sure about this but .. from within VB you are trying to import data
using specific VBA Access code. You should probably open an Access database
from VB first and then use the Access VBA code to transfer data to the table
in Access. If it worked first could it be that you had Access open in the
background?


Regards
Eric Starkenburg

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Sent: vrijdag 28 november 2003 17:18
To: accessd
Cc: dba-vb
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Basic Question/Access


To all,

I created a VB6 application a while back, I added the Microsoft Access 10.0
Object Library so that I could import spreadsheets & text files using
DoCmd.TransferText or DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet commands.  All worked fine
so I left it as it was, I have just gone to run it and I get the error
message:

            This Operation Requires An Open Database.

I haven?t changed any code and it worked the last time I ran the
application.  So I guess I need to know either why it may not be working now
or how I can get it to work.  Or is there another way I can change this.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Paul Hartland
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From Developer at UltraDNT.com  Fri Nov 28 11:17:58 2003
From: Developer at UltraDNT.com (Developer)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:17:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database
In-Reply-To: <000001c3b5e0$de1b78f0$6701a8c0@rock>
Message-ID: <000401c3b5d3$91e189f0$7001a8c0@COA3>

To "walk" all, you need something like:

Public Sub allyesno()
Dim d As DAO.Database
Dim t As DAO.TableDef
Dim f As DAO.Field

Set d = CurrentDb
For Each t In d.TableDefs
    
    For Each f In t.Fields
        If f.Type = dbBoolean Then
            ' DO STUFF
            Debug.Print f.Name
        End If
    Next 'f
Next 't
End Sub

- hth,
Steve




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 1:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database


Thanks for this. It's a start, but what I don't see is how I can apply
so that I can walk all the tables and all the fields, finding the Yes/No
fields without knowing their names beforehand, and then applying the
changes.

Arthur

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 3:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database


Arthur, 

This works in A97, DAO
Since I have made the first field "0;Yes", then "Yes"
becomes the default value for the field.

Public Function fnYesNo2CBO()
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Set db = CurrentDb
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "DisplayControl", 3, 111, 111
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "RowSourceType", dbText, "Value List", "Value List"
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "RowSource", dbText, "0;Yes;1;No", "0;Yes;1;No"
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "ColumnCount", 3, 2, 2
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "ColumnWidths", dbText, "0, 720", "0, 720"
    Set db = Nothing
End Function

Private Function SetAccessProperty(obj As Object, strName As String, _
        intType As Integer, varSetting As Variant, _
        Optional SetToWhat As String) As Boolean
    Dim prp As DAO.Property
    Const conPropNotFound As Integer = 3270

    On Error GoTo ErrorSetAccessProperty
    ' Explicitly refer to Properties collection.
    obj.Properties(strName) = varSetting
    obj.Properties.Refresh
    If SetToWhat <> "" Then
        obj.Properties(strName).Value = SetToWhat
        obj.Properties.Refresh
    End If
    SetAccessProperty = True
    
ExitSetAccessProperty:
    Exit Function
    
ErrorSetAccessProperty:
    If Err = conPropNotFound Then

' Create property, denote type, and set initial value.
        Set prp = obj.CreateProperty(strName, intType, varSetting)
        ' Append Property object to Properties collection.
        obj.Properties.append prp
        obj.Properties(strName).Value = SetToWhat
        obj.Properties.Refresh
        SetAccessProperty = True
        Resume ExitSetAccessProperty
    Else
        MsgBox Err & ": " & vbCrLf & Err.Description
        SetAccessProperty = False
        Resume ExitSetAccessProperty
    End If
End Function


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 7:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database


> I've been working on this database lately, and I made all the Yes/No
> fields CheckBoxes. Turns out the client hates CheckBoxes and wants 
> Yes/No combos instead. So I need a routine to walk every table and 
> change the properties of every Yes/No field from CheckBox to Combo + 
> Value List, "-1","Yes", "0","No", column count = 2, column widths = 
> 0".
> 
> Anyone got such a routine or something close that I can rework to suit

> my needs?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 28 11:33:33 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:33:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Cut Paste actionto tabsheet  looses events.
In-Reply-To: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF5C@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEPOFNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Just cut and paste the CODE from the module and the event procedure will
automatically be filled in again in the property sheet.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 9:50 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Cut Paste actionto tabsheet looses events.


When you cut and past controls to move controls from a tabsheets control
(?! don't know correct name in English) they always looses their
events....

The code is still there, but in the properties is no longer
eventprocedure (?!)  marked.
So if you click on the tree dots the event is back.
But that would take me to go over each control and verify the code if
which events exists for which control.
Is there a way that Access will put the events in the properties
automaticaly?

A cut and past is necesary because moving to a tab does not work...




Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder

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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Fri Nov 28 12:14:18 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 19:14:18 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Cut Paste actionto tabsheet  looses events.
Message-ID: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF66@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Sounds logical to me...
I'll try it this w.e..

(yeah yeah, I'm one of those guys you see working in the week-end :-(.

 
Erwin

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 6:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Cut Paste actionto tabsheet looses events.

Just cut and paste the CODE from the module and the event procedure will
automatically be filled in again in the property sheet.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Erwin Craps
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 9:50 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Cut Paste actionto tabsheet looses events.


When you cut and past controls to move controls from a tabsheets control
(?! don't know correct name in English) they always looses their
events....

The code is still there, but in the properties is no longer
eventprocedure (?!)  marked.
So if you click on the tree dots the event is back.
But that would take me to go over each control and verify the code if
which events exists for which control.
Is there a way that Access will put the events in the properties
automaticaly?

A cut and past is necesary because moving to a tab does not work...




Erwin Craps

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri Nov 28 12:30:39 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:30:39 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] NTFS new/changed file report by OS in Access
References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF52@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <3FC7944F.2020106@shaw.ca>

Maybe some clues here
Have a look at
Creating a Watched Folder with FindChangeNotification
http://www.mvps.org/vbnet/index.html?code/fileapi/watchedfolder.htm
or this one
http://www.mvps.org/vbvision/Sample_Projects.htm#Watch_Directory_Demo
Erwin Craps wrote:

>Ok Thanks, I look into it. 
>
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>Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 10:37 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] NTFS new/changed file report by OS in Access
>
>Hi Erwin
>
>  
>
>>NTFS  has the posibilty to report to an app when a new file  is added 
>>or changed in a folder.
>>So instead of screening a folder for new files app, its rather the OS 
>>that reports to the app that new or changed files are in a certain 
>>folder.
>>Has anyone tried to use this in Access?
>>I supose this is some kind of an API call.
>>This is very true for WXP don't not for W2K.
>>    
>>
>
>Yes, J?rgen Welz helped me with this for Win2000 but it appears to only work reliably for changes "now and then", not for busy traffic.
>
>Look up the archive on these:
>
>  2002-02-19: On Timer Events
>
>and a repost/quote
>
>  2002-04-23: Monitoring Directories
>
>If you can achieve better results I would be most interested in learning about it.
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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Fri Nov 28 16:02:29 2003
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:02:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  VBScript failing on login
Message-ID: <73610-220031152822229302@christopherhawkins.com>

Greetings.

I wrote a login script for a client some time ago. Part of the script
is a function that creates a comma-delimited list of what groups the
logging-in user belongs to. The script has been working perfectly
until this morning, when the IsMember function started failing. The
IT guys have been making configuration changes to various servers,
but can't tell me what exactly those changes are. 

My only clue is that g_oNet.UserDomain comes back with no value. I'm
not sure why that would be. All the client machines have the Windows
Scripting Host, Windows Management Instrumentation and ADSI
installed. 

There are globals at the top of the script:
' Globals
Dim g_oGroupDict
Dim g_oNet
dim g_sGroupList

...and this function, which is failing, at the bottom:


Function IsMember(sGroup)
' Creates a comma-delimited list of groups to which the user belongs.

    msgbox "IsMember..." & sGroup	' DEBUG

    Dim sAdsPath
    Dim oUser
    Dim oGroup

    ' Populate dictionary if not already created.

    If IsEmpty(g_oGroupDict) Then
	msgbox "GROUPS DICTIONARY IS EMPTY...BUILDING DICTIONARY..."
        Set g_oGroupDict = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")
        g_oGroupDict.CompareMode = vbTextCompare
        sAdsPath = g_oNet.UserDomain & "/" & g_oNet.UserName

	msgbox "g_oNet.UserDomain = " & g_oNet.UserDomain
	msgbox "USER PATH = " & sAdsPath	' DEBUG

	set oUser = GetObject("WinNT://DOMAINABC/" & sUser)

        For Each oGroup In oUser.Groups
	    msgbox "MEMBER OF: " & oGroup.name	' DEBUG
            g_oGroupDict.Add oGroup.Name, " - "
	    g_sGroupList = oGroup.Name & ", " & g_sGroupList
        Next

        Set oUser = Nothing
        msgbox "ALL GROUPS = " & g_sGroupList
    End If

    IsMember = CBool(g_oGroupDict.Exists(sGroup))
    msgbox "End IsMember = " & IsMember

msgbox err.number & " - " & err.description,"IsMember"

End Function
I'm very confounded. The script has been running successfully for
weeks now, and no changes have been made (save for the various MsgBox
statements I've been using this morning to debug it). The machine
this script runs on is a PDC.

More info: the script still executes successfully for XP clients. The
98 clients are the ones that cannot execute the script. And the PDC
that the users authenticate against is an NT4 machine.

I am well and truly stumped.
-Christopher-



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 28 18:07:03 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 18:07:03 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227605@main2.marlow.com>

I've thought about writing a long set of articles to put on my website, but
I always find something else comes up...know what I mean?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 7:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development


Hi Drew:

Have you ever thought about writing a book on the subject...You have
finished chapter one.

...I teasing... :-)

Very good introductory
Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 2:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development


Paul, I have been developing ASP project for quite some time now.  I think I
can narrow down what you REALLY need to know to get started.

First of all, before you dig into web development, you MUST understand how a
web server and web pages work.  It is a whole different ball of wax compared
to an Access FE.  With an Access FE, you create forms and reports, and each
user has a copy (or uses a shared FE) of the front end.  This has several
drawbacks.  First of all, if you have copies of the FE all over, you have to
create an update process to push out new changes.  If you have a shared FE,
then you have to kick everyone out to update the process.  On top of that, a
user can be anywhere, so there can always be issues of where things are
located.  One user may have a share mapped to S, while another has it mapped
to T.  UNC's can handle this, but then there is also the issue of whether
people are able to even get to the locations involved.  On a web server, all
of these issues are moot.

The way a web server works, is the client opens their browser and requests a
web page.  Let's say they go to http://MyWebsite.com.  The browser does a
few things, one of which is it sends an http request to the server sitting
at whatever mywebsite.com resolves too.  (http is Hyper Text Transfer
Protocol.  HTML is Hyper Text Markup Language.  So, HTTP is the protocol
uses to transport HTML.).  The server at the other end gets an http request
for it's root directory.  Notice the URL doesn't have a specific file (this
is a KEY point to remember).  That is just fine and dandy, because a
webserver can be asked for a page by just the 'folder', since each folder
can have a default document setup.  In most cases it is index.htm or
default.asp, but it can quite frankly be any document you want (or even a
list of documents).  For our example, let's say it's default.asp.  The web
server then reads the default.asp page and runs it through it's ISAPI
filters.  These are filters that cause various things to be done to the HTML
that is going to be sent back.  Two good examples of this are includes and
ASP itself.  Includes are when you mark another file or files to be included
within the document.  So, if you have a header that you want on every page,
instead of putting the HTML for that header on every page, you put the
header in it's own file, and just include it in all of your pages.  The
include ISAPI filter then incorporates that HTML in the outgoing HTML.  You
can also include .asp code, similar to putting code in a module, versus
behind every form/report.  The ASP ISAPI filter is a little more complex.
Instead of just replacing text, it actually 'works' the ASP code on the
page.

This is the CORE of ASP.  What the end user get's, is just the outgoing
HTML.  They never get the ASP code itself.  ASP can either be passive or
dynamic.  My own terms for the two actions ASP can perform.  Passive is when
the ASP does something that the users can't see. Dynamic is when ASP does
something that the users DO see.  For example.  If the default.asp page was
like this:

<%
dim cnn
dim rs
dim strSQL
set cnn=server.createobject("ADODB.Connection")
set rs=server.createobject("ADODB.Recordset")
cnn.Provider="Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
cnn.Open "E:\MyDB.mdb"
strSQL="SELECT Hit FROM tblHits;"
rs.Open strSQL,cnn,1,3
rs.AddNew
rs.Fields(0).value=1
rs.Update
rs.close
set rs=nothing
cnn.close
set cnn=nothing
%>
<HTML>
Hello
</HTML>

The end user will get a page that says hello, but internally, the ASP page
has added a record to a database, in this case, a simple hit counter.  This
is passive, since the user will always get 'Hello', no matter what they do.
The ASP code is doing work, but it's something the end user doesn't see.

Dynamic ASP pages are where the output the user sees is directly affected by
the ASP code.  To do this, you must either use the = symbol (which is a
shortcut to have the ASP send something out with the resulting HTML stream),
or the response.write procedure.

For example, let's have default.asp be this:

<%
dim strIP
strIP=request.ServerVariables("REMOTE_ADDR")
%>
<HTML>
Your IP Address is: <%=strIP%> <br>
<%
response.write "Have a nice day."
%>
</HTML>

What the user will see is a message that has their IP address, like this:

Your IP Address is: 65.65.125.209
Have a nice day.

We used the equal since to 'insert' something into the normal HTML with ASP,
and then we used response.write to directly output a string into the
outgoing HTML stream.

The last thing to remember when dealing with a web server is that the end
users are getting whatever the web server hands out, the moment they request
it.  Once they get the resulting HTML stream, and their browser displays the
page, there is no longer a connection to the file they requested.  That
means if you are constantly updating asp pages, the end users will just
simply get the 'current' results at the time of their request.  No kicking
everyone out, etc.  Pretty handy.

Three more items to cover. Above was the biggie.  First of the three.  HTML.
HTML is actually pretty simple.  I personally used Front Page when I started
out, to let it do the HTML for me, then after a few months of going back and
forth, I just got the hang of it, and I rarely ever use FP for writing the
HTML anymore.  The two key items to remember with HTML is that everything is
written with tags.  Some tags are stand alone, such as <BR> (which is a line
break), and some tags must have a start and finish (<HTML> and </HTML>, or
an easier example <b> and </b> which is for bolding text).  Tags also can
have properties.  For example, an anchor tag (for hyperlinks) is a.  <a
href="http://wolfwares.com">Click here to go to Wolfwares.com</a>  <a starts
the tag, it has an href property, which is the URL of the site/file the
hyperlink points too, then the tag is closed with the >, and between the
start tag, and the closing tag </a>, there is text, which is what the user
will see as the text of the hyperlink.  The second key item to remember with
HTML is that no matter what format you write the HTML in, what the user sees
in the browser is determine by the TAGS, not by the HTML code.

So if you write:

<HTML>
This is a
Test
</HTML>

The user sees:
This is a Test

If you write:
<HTML>This is a <br>Test</HTML>

The user sees:
This is a
Test

Second of the three is a BIG difference between Access and ASP.  Access runs
it's code on the users processor.  This is both good and bad.  Bad, because
the end user must have Access (or a run-time installed).  Also, bad because
users on slower machines are going to be delayed longer then users on fast
machines.  Good, because as long as the end users have the correct
software/runtimes, your application should almost be gauranteed to work.
With ASP, if you write standard HTML, it doesn't matter what you have the
ASP code do.  Your ASP code only has to run on the web server.  Your clients
can be running Pentium 4's, with IE, or Mac's with Netscape, and everyone
sees the same results.  A client running a 2.6 gigahertz on a 56k modem is
going to run your application at the same speed (well, pretty much the same
speed) as a client running a 486 66mhz with a 56k modem.  In fact, if your
pages are light enough on the output (little to no graphics, just plain
HTML.....) there isn't going to be much of a difference between a modem user
or a broad band user. Text transfers pretty quickly....though you could have
slow downs if there is just a ton of text being sent (like combo boxes that
have thousands of items in their lists).  The final issue with this part is
client side scripting.  I personally stay away from it like the plague,
unless it's for in house projects where I know everyone is using IE. So try
to make your applications run strictly with ASP, unless absolutely
necessary.

Third of the three.  The real nuts and bolts of ASP.  ASP can be written in
JScript or VBScript.  Quite frankly I have never bothered to use JScript,
since VBScript is practically second nature.  When writting ASP, you enclose
the ASP code with <% and %> (start and end tags for ASP), and then write
away with VBScript.  There are two things to remember/research. ASP is
VBScript with extra objects (Application,
ObjectContext,Request,ASPError,Response,Server,Session). The three you are
going to deal with the most are Request, Response and Server.  Request gives
you access to what you have been 'sent' by the user. It can be used to read
cookies, server variables (which include Usernames, passwords,IP Addresses,
browser types, etc.), and form data. Response is what you use to send data
back to the user (response.write outputs to the HTML stream, redirect can
actually change the URL the end user is receiving, etc.).  Server is the
webserver itself. The two main methods you will probably use are
MapPath(Which let's you map a virtual or actual path to a file) and
CreateObject.  That CreateObject is the big catch with ASP and VBScript.  In
normal VBScript you just call CreateObject.  But with ASP, you must use the
Server Object's CreateObject method to create an object in VBScript.
(Because the object must be created by the webserver).

That's ASP in a nutshell.  The first item I talked about is a little
difficult to figure out from the MSDN, the rest is in the MSDN, but can
still be a little difficult to figure out.  The details on everything (HTML
tags, ASP objects, etc.) are pretty much well explained in the MSDN though.

The last thing you will need to know about ASP pages versus Access FE's is
how to get data FROM the user. (we already discussed sending it to them,
with the response.write method).  I mentioned the request object.  The two
methods of getting data from the user are through forms and querystrings.  A
querystring is what follows a URL (after a ?).  So, if you have a URL like
this: http://MyWebsite.com/default.asp?MyValue=10 , you can retrieve the
value of MyValue by using the request.QueryString method, like this:

<%
response.write request.QueryString("MyValue")
%>

If you have an HTML form, and you POST the data:

<HTML>
<BODY>
<Form Name="MyForm" Method=post action="results.asp">
<input type=text name="MyValue">
<input type=submit>
</form>
</body>
</HTML>

The resulting page will have a textbox, and a submit button.  Pressing the
submit button will send the data within the MyValue textbox to results.asp.
So if results.asp was this:

<%
response.write request.form("MyValue")
%>

The results page will output whatever was in the textbox.

The key difference between a QueryString and a Form is that QueryStrings are
limited by the max length of a URL (which is, I think, 2048
characters...maybe 1024 characters, not sure).  Where as a form is not
limited in the amount of data that can be submitted.  You can also refer to
a request 'variable' by just the request object.  request("MyValue") can be
a value in either a QueryString OR a Form.

Phew, what an email.  This was fun to write though.  Keep in mind that ASP
doesn't directly like DAO, so write your code using ADO.  Feel free to
contact me offlist if you have specific questions.  I may get hammered for
the length of this email, but I think it's pertinent to Access development
on the web!

Drew



-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:55 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development


To all,
I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, returning
resultsets in tables from Access & SQL Server etc.
Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any book
recommendations ?
Thanks in advance for all your help
Paul Hartland
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 28 18:09:48 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 18:09:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227606@main2.marlow.com>

Okay.  I know it ties into Access, but what so many new web/Access
developers don't realize is that they already have most of the skills
required for the development side, they just need the big picture
information to get it to all work together.

When do I go on about beer or traffic.....<evilgrin> (That reminds me, I
think I'm going to have a few beers after dealing with traffic tonight!).

Susan, what would you need for Many to Many?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 5:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development


No Way you're going to "get hammered". The mods may take a (friendly) stick
to you sometimes when you go off on one about beer, traffic or whatever but
rest assured we hugely appreciate the efforts you make to help people on
this list. And I second Jim's call - Write a book, or at least a series of
aticles for Many-To-Many. Susan's tking of another issue soon so this would
be a terrific subject.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 26 November 2003 22:55
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
> 
> 
> Paul, I have been developing ASP project for quite some time 
> now.  I think I can narrow down what you REALLY need to know 
> to get started.
> 
> First of all, before you dig into web development, you MUST 
> understand how a web server and web pages work.  It is a 
> whole different ball of wax compared to an Access FE.  With 
> an Access FE, you create forms and reports, and each user has 
> a copy (or uses a shared FE) of the front end.  This has 
> several drawbacks.  First of all, if you have copies of the 
> FE all over, you have to create an update process to push out 
> new changes.  If you have a shared FE, then you have to kick 
> everyone out to update the process.  On top of that, a user 
> can be anywhere, so there can always be issues of where 
> things are located.  One user may have a share mapped to S, 
> while another has it mapped to T.  UNC's can handle this, but 
> then there is also the issue of whether people are able to 
> even get to the locations involved.  On a web server, all of 
> these issues are moot.  
> 
> The way a web server works, is the client opens their browser 
> and requests a web page.  Let's say they go to 
> http://MyWebsite.com.  The browser does a few things, one of 
> which is it sends an http request to the server sitting at 
> whatever mywebsite.com resolves too.  (http is Hyper Text 
> Transfer Protocol.  HTML is Hyper Text Markup Language.  So, 
> HTTP is the protocol uses to transport HTML.).  The server at 
> the other end gets an http request for it's root directory.  
> Notice the URL doesn't have a specific file (this is a KEY 
> point to remember).  That is just fine and dandy, because a 
> webserver can be asked for a page by just the 'folder', since 
> each folder can have a default document setup.  In most cases 
> it is index.htm or default.asp, but it can quite frankly be 
> any document you want (or even a list of documents).  For our 
> example, let's say it's default.asp.  The web server then 
> reads the default.asp page and runs it through it's ISAPI 
> filters.  These are filters that cause various things to be 
> done to the HTML that is going to be sent back.  Two good 
> examples of this are includes and ASP itself.  Includes are 
> when you mark another file or files to be included within the 
> document.  So, if you have a header that you want on every 
> page, instead of putting the HTML for that header on every 
> page, you put the header in it's own file, and just include 
> it in all of your pages.  The include ISAPI filter then 
> incorporates that HTML in the outgoing HTML.  You can also 
> include .asp code, similar to putting code in a module, 
> versus behind every form/report.  The ASP ISAPI filter is a 
> little more complex. Instead of just replacing text, it 
> actually 'works' the ASP code on the page. 
> 
> This is the CORE of ASP.  What the end user get's, is just 
> the outgoing HTML.  They never get the ASP code itself.  ASP 
> can either be passive or dynamic.  My own terms for the two 
> actions ASP can perform.  Passive is when the ASP does 
> something that the users can't see. Dynamic is when ASP does 
> something that the users DO see.  For example.  If the 
> default.asp page was like this:
> 
> <%
> dim cnn
> dim rs
> dim strSQL
> set cnn=server.createobject("ADODB.Connection")
> set rs=server.createobject("ADODB.Recordset")
> cnn.Provider="Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
> cnn.Open "E:\MyDB.mdb"
> strSQL="SELECT Hit FROM tblHits;"
> rs.Open strSQL,cnn,1,3
> rs.AddNew
> rs.Fields(0).value=1
> rs.Update
> rs.close
> set rs=nothing
> cnn.close
> set cnn=nothing
> %>
> <HTML>
> Hello
> </HTML>
> 
> The end user will get a page that says hello, but internally, 
> the ASP page has added a record to a database, in this case, 
> a simple hit counter.  This is passive, since the user will 
> always get 'Hello', no matter what they do. The ASP code is 
> doing work, but it's something the end user doesn't see.
> 
> Dynamic ASP pages are where the output the user sees is 
> directly affected by the ASP code.  To do this, you must 
> either use the = symbol (which is a shortcut to have the ASP 
> send something out with the resulting HTML stream), or the 
> response.write procedure.
> 
> For example, let's have default.asp be this:
> 
> <%
> dim strIP
> strIP=request.ServerVariables("REMOTE_ADDR")
> %>
> <HTML>
> Your IP Address is: <%=strIP%> <br>
> <%
> response.write "Have a nice day."
> %>
> </HTML>
> 
> What the user will see is a message that has their IP 
> address, like this:
> 
> Your IP Address is: 65.65.125.209
> Have a nice day.
> 
> We used the equal since to 'insert' something into the normal 
> HTML with ASP, and then we used response.write to directly 
> output a string into the outgoing HTML stream.
> 
> The last thing to remember when dealing with a web server is 
> that the end users are getting whatever the web server hands 
> out, the moment they request it.  Once they get the resulting 
> HTML stream, and their browser displays the page, there is no 
> longer a connection to the file they requested.  That means 
> if you are constantly updating asp pages, the end users will 
> just simply get the 'current' results at the time of their 
> request.  No kicking everyone out, etc.  Pretty handy.
> 
> Three more items to cover. Above was the biggie.  First of 
> the three.  HTML. HTML is actually pretty simple.  I 
> personally used Front Page when I started out, to let it do 
> the HTML for me, then after a few months of going back and 
> forth, I just got the hang of it, and I rarely ever use FP 
> for writing the HTML anymore.  The two key items to remember 
> with HTML is that everything is written with tags.  Some tags 
> are stand alone, such as <BR> (which is a line break), and 
> some tags must have a start and finish (<HTML> and </HTML>, 
> or an easier example <b> and </b> which is for bolding text). 
>  Tags also can have properties.  For example, an anchor tag 
> (for hyperlinks) is a.  <a href="http://wolfwares.com">Click 
> here to go to Wolfwares.com</a>  <a starts the tag, it has an 
> href property, which is the URL of the site/file the 
> hyperlink points too, then the tag is closed with the >, and 
> between the start tag, and the closing tag </a>, there is 
> text, which is what the user will see as the text of the 
> hyperlink.  The second key item to remember with HTML is that 
> no matter what format you write the HTML in, what the user 
> sees in the browser is determine by the TAGS, not by the HTML code.
> 
> So if you write:
> 
> <HTML>
> This is a 
> Test
> </HTML>
> 
> The user sees:
> This is a Test
> 
> If you write:
> <HTML>This is a <br>Test</HTML>
> 
> The user sees:
> This is a
> Test
> 
> Second of the three is a BIG difference between Access and 
> ASP.  Access runs it's code on the users processor.  This is 
> both good and bad.  Bad, because the end user must have 
> Access (or a run-time installed).  Also, bad because users on 
> slower machines are going to be delayed longer then users on 
> fast machines.  Good, because as long as the end users have 
> the correct software/runtimes, your application should almost 
> be gauranteed to work. With ASP, if you write standard HTML, 
> it doesn't matter what you have the ASP code do.  Your ASP 
> code only has to run on the web server.  Your clients can be 
> running Pentium 4's, with IE, or Mac's with Netscape, and 
> everyone sees the same results.  A client running a 2.6 
> gigahertz on a 56k modem is going to run your application at 
> the same speed (well, pretty much the same
> speed) as a client running a 486 66mhz with a 56k modem.  In 
> fact, if your pages are light enough on the output (little to 
> no graphics, just plain
> HTML.....) there isn't going to be much of a difference 
> between a modem user or a broad band user. Text transfers 
> pretty quickly....though you could have slow downs if there 
> is just a ton of text being sent (like combo boxes that have 
> thousands of items in their lists).  The final issue with 
> this part is client side scripting.  I personally stay away 
> from it like the plague, unless it's for in house projects 
> where I know everyone is using IE. So try to make your 
> applications run strictly with ASP, unless absolutely necessary.
> 
> Third of the three.  The real nuts and bolts of ASP.  ASP can 
> be written in JScript or VBScript.  Quite frankly I have 
> never bothered to use JScript, since VBScript is practically 
> second nature.  When writting ASP, you enclose the ASP code 
> with <% and %> (start and end tags for ASP), and then write 
> away with VBScript.  There are two things to 
> remember/research. ASP is VBScript with extra objects 
> (Application, 
> ObjectContext,Request,ASPError,Response,Server,Session). The 
> three you are going to deal with the most are Request, 
> Response and Server.  Request gives you access to what you 
> have been 'sent' by the user. It can be used to read cookies, 
> server variables (which include Usernames, passwords,IP 
> Addresses, browser types, etc.), and form data. Response is 
> what you use to send data back to the user (response.write 
> outputs to the HTML stream, redirect can actually change the 
> URL the end user is receiving, etc.).  Server is the 
> webserver itself. The two main methods you will probably use 
> are MapPath(Which let's you map a virtual or actual path to a 
> file) and CreateObject.  That CreateObject is the big catch 
> with ASP and VBScript.  In normal VBScript you just call 
> CreateObject.  But with ASP, you must use the Server Object's 
> CreateObject method to create an object in VBScript. (Because 
> the object must be created by the webserver).
> 
> That's ASP in a nutshell.  The first item I talked about is a 
> little difficult to figure out from the MSDN, the rest is in 
> the MSDN, but can still be a little difficult to figure out.  
> The details on everything (HTML tags, ASP objects, etc.) are 
> pretty much well explained in the MSDN though.
> 
> The last thing you will need to know about ASP pages versus 
> Access FE's is how to get data FROM the user. (we already 
> discussed sending it to them, with the response.write 
> method).  I mentioned the request object.  The two methods of 
> getting data from the user are through forms and 
> querystrings.  A querystring is what follows a URL (after a 
> ?).  So, if you have a URL like
> this: http://MyWebsite.com/default.asp?MyValue=10 , you can 
> retrieve the value of MyValue by using the 
> request.QueryString method, like this:
> 
> <%
> response.write request.QueryString("MyValue")
> %>
> 
> If you have an HTML form, and you POST the data:
> 
> <HTML>
> <BODY>
> <Form Name="MyForm" Method=post action="results.asp">
> <input type=text name="MyValue">
> <input type=submit>
> </form>
> </body>
> </HTML>
> 
> The resulting page will have a textbox, and a submit button.  
> Pressing the submit button will send the data within the 
> MyValue textbox to results.asp. So if results.asp was this:
> 
> <%
> response.write request.form("MyValue")
> %>
> 
> The results page will output whatever was in the textbox.
> 
> The key difference between a QueryString and a Form is that 
> QueryStrings are limited by the max length of a URL (which 
> is, I think, 2048 characters...maybe 1024 characters, not 
> sure).  Where as a form is not limited in the amount of data 
> that can be submitted.  You can also refer to a request 
> 'variable' by just the request object.  request("MyValue") 
> can be a value in either a QueryString OR a Form.
> 
> Phew, what an email.  This was fun to write though.  Keep in 
> mind that ASP doesn't directly like DAO, so write your code 
> using ADO.  Feel free to contact me offlist if you have 
> specific questions.  I may get hammered for the length of 
> this email, but I think it's pertinent to Access development 
> on the web!
> 
> Drew
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:55 AM
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - Getting started with Web development
> 
> 
> To all,
> I'm looking to start writing web pages etc, secure logins, 
> returning resultsets in tables from Access & SQL Server etc. 
> Anyone know any good sites to get me started along with any 
> book recommendations ? Thanks in advance for all your help 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 28 18:12:55 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 18:12:55 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] NTFS new/changed file report by OS in Access
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227607@main2.marlow.com>

I've done it with VB, so I'm sure it can be done with Access.  It works fine
in NT 5.0 (and up, so that includes w2k and wxp), but NT requires much more
detailed security information, which I never got around to goofing around
with.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Craps [mailto:Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be]
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 2:38 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] NTFS new/changed file report by OS in Access


Dear Friends
 
NTFS  has the posibilty to report to an app when a new file  is added or
changed in a folder.
So instead of screening a folder for new files app, its rather the OS
that reports to the app that new or changed files are in a certain
folder.
Has anyone tried to use this in Access?
I supose this is some kind of an API call.
This is very true for WXP don't not for W2K.
 
Thx
 

 

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri Nov 28 18:15:08 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 18:15:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] NTFS new/changed file report by OS in Access
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802227608@main2.marlow.com>

Actually, if you use the API (don't remember the name off the top of my
head), but it works perfectly, no matter what the traffic is.  It even works
on remote machines.  So you can 'hook' into another NT 5.0 or higher machine
and watch all activity on a file/folder/directory. (No timers
involved...though it does use API timer events not to continuously monitor a
drive, but instead to force the loop.)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 3:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] NTFS new/changed file report by OS in Access


Hi Erwin

> NTFS  has the posibilty to report to an app when a new file  is added or
> changed in a folder.
> So instead of screening a folder for new files app, its rather the OS
> that reports to the app that new or changed files are in a certain
> folder.
> Has anyone tried to use this in Access?
> I supose this is some kind of an API call.
> This is very true for WXP don't not for W2K.

Yes, J?rgen Welz helped me with this for Win2000 but it appears to
only work reliably for changes "now and then", not for busy traffic.

Look up the archive on these:

  2002-02-19: On Timer Events

and a repost/quote

  2002-04-23: Monitoring Directories

If you can achieve better results I would be most interested in
learning about it.

/gustav

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Nov 29 04:22:06 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 11:22:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] NTFS new/changed file report by OS in Access
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References: <46B976F2B698FF46A4FE7636509B22DF03CF51@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <1586354186.20031129112206@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

Not quite sure what you wish to achieve but here's another option for
watching file changes:

  http://tailforwin32.sourceforge.net/

/gustav


> NTFS  has the posibilty to report to an app when a new file  is added or
> changed in a folder.
> So instead of screening a folder for new files app, its rather the OS
> that reports to the app that new or changed files are in a certain
> folder.
> Has anyone tried to use this in Access?
> I supose this is some kind of an API call.
> This is very true for WXP don't not for W2K.


From john at winhaven.net  Sat Nov 29 10:51:04 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 10:51:04 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIENBFNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAEIEENAA.john@winhaven.net>

JC,
Not a lot of posts lately so I'm just a wondering if I'm seeing them all.

Has anyone else responded to this post?

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:20 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
>
>
> Have ya ever... wished you had a place to store all the registry
> tweaks you
> run across?  I have run across so many things where they tell you to go to
> the registry and set / clear / delete some entry.  I can NEVER remember
> where I found the tweak, but I always remember I was supposed to do some
> unnamed thing to make something happen.
>
> It all started with securing IIS.  An article I ran across gives a handful
> of registry tweaks to tighten up security.  Of course I can use
> regedit but
> how blas?
>
> Well I just whipped out a little database to hold the key / value name /
> value and a memo about the registry key, as well as a parent "topic" table
> that lets me organize the entries by a topic of my choosing, complete with
> memo.  At the moment you have to type the registry key / value
> name / value
> in, but once you do you can press a button and the entry is created in the
> registry.  It uses a registry class for anyone interested in how to read /
> write the registry (or doesn't want to write their own) courtesy of a VB
> Techniques article written by Eric Smith on 3/29/2000.  I also use a few
> withevent classes for those of you who want to see how I use Withevents to
> run the basic forms.
>
> I may (probably will) eventually write code to back up an existing key
> before modification, read registry chunks into the table etc.  Not there
> yet.
>
> I think it would be cool to organize a huge "registry tweak"
> database where
> anyone interested gets this database and enters their favorite tweak, then
> donates their tweaks to a pool.  I can take care of merging everyone's
> tweaks into a single database and get the resulting pool up on my
> web site.
>
> Anyone interested?  Anyone know of a public domain db that I can
> get tweaks
> already in a db?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 29 11:22:36 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 12:22:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAEIEENAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOECJFOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Nope.  That happens though.  There may not be a lot of interest.  Plus it's
a holiday.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 11:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Registry tweaks


JC,
Not a lot of posts lately so I'm just a wondering if I'm seeing them all.

Has anyone else responded to this post?

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:20 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
>
>
> Have ya ever... wished you had a place to store all the registry
> tweaks you
> run across?  I have run across so many things where they tell you to go to
> the registry and set / clear / delete some entry.  I can NEVER remember
> where I found the tweak, but I always remember I was supposed to do some
> unnamed thing to make something happen.
>
> It all started with securing IIS.  An article I ran across gives a handful
> of registry tweaks to tighten up security.  Of course I can use
> regedit but
> how blas?
>
> Well I just whipped out a little database to hold the key / value name /
> value and a memo about the registry key, as well as a parent "topic" table
> that lets me organize the entries by a topic of my choosing, complete with
> memo.  At the moment you have to type the registry key / value
> name / value
> in, but once you do you can press a button and the entry is created in the
> registry.  It uses a registry class for anyone interested in how to read /
> write the registry (or doesn't want to write their own) courtesy of a VB
> Techniques article written by Eric Smith on 3/29/2000.  I also use a few
> withevent classes for those of you who want to see how I use Withevents to
> run the basic forms.
>
> I may (probably will) eventually write code to back up an existing key
> before modification, read registry chunks into the table etc.  Not there
> yet.
>
> I think it would be cool to organize a huge "registry tweak"
> database where
> anyone interested gets this database and enters their favorite tweak, then
> donates their tweaks to a pool.  I can take care of merging everyone's
> tweaks into a single database and get the resulting pool up on my
> web site.
>
> Anyone interested?  Anyone know of a public domain db that I can
> get tweaks
> already in a db?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Sat Nov 29 14:01:54 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:01:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOECJFOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJEEIPFGAA.john@winhaven.net>

Thanks, just checking. Are you on the Eng-Lib list? Maybe we could take it
over there and continue. I'm certainly willing to give some effort.

jb

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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 11:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
>
>
> Nope.  That happens though.  There may not be a lot of interest.
> Plus it's
> a holiday.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 11:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
>
>
> JC,
> Not a lot of posts lately so I'm just a wondering if I'm seeing them all.
>
> Has anyone else responded to this post?
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
> > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:20 AM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
> >
> >
> > Have ya ever... wished you had a place to store all the registry
> > tweaks you
> > run across?  I have run across so many things where they tell
> you to go to
> > the registry and set / clear / delete some entry.  I can NEVER remember
> > where I found the tweak, but I always remember I was supposed to do some
> > unnamed thing to make something happen.
> >
> > It all started with securing IIS.  An article I ran across
> gives a handful
> > of registry tweaks to tighten up security.  Of course I can use
> > regedit but
> > how blas?
> >
> > Well I just whipped out a little database to hold the key / value name /
> > value and a memo about the registry key, as well as a parent
> "topic" table
> > that lets me organize the entries by a topic of my choosing,
> complete with
> > memo.  At the moment you have to type the registry key / value
> > name / value
> > in, but once you do you can press a button and the entry is
> created in the
> > registry.  It uses a registry class for anyone interested in
> how to read /
> > write the registry (or doesn't want to write their own) courtesy of a VB
> > Techniques article written by Eric Smith on 3/29/2000.  I also use a few
> > withevent classes for those of you who want to see how I use
> Withevents to
> > run the basic forms.
> >
> > I may (probably will) eventually write code to back up an existing key
> > before modification, read registry chunks into the table etc.  Not there
> > yet.
> >
> > I think it would be cool to organize a huge "registry tweak"
> > database where
> > anyone interested gets this database and enters their favorite
> tweak, then
> > donates their tweaks to a pool.  I can take care of merging everyone's
> > tweaks into a single database and get the resulting pool up on my
> > web site.
> >
> > Anyone interested?  Anyone know of a public domain db that I can
> > get tweaks
> > already in a db?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> >
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Nov 29 14:02:35 2003
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:02:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOECJFOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3FC8FB5B.2090607@torchlake.com>

Well, here's a response:  YAY!!!!!

Like John B, I try to capture items I know will be of use to me 
sometime, and stash them in a folder somewhere - some things actually 
get into a database - some just sit in text files stashed in the folder. 
 Clearly, there is a need for something more robust, more integrated, 
more creative.  Thank you, JC for getting it started.  I will be very 
happy to contribute any little "tweak" I run across that you don't 
already have.

Now, back to the left-over turkey,
Tina

John W. Colby wrote:

>Nope.  That happens though.  There may not be a lot of interest.  Plus it's
>a holiday.
>
>John W. Colby
>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
>Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 11:51 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
>
>
>JC,
>Not a lot of posts lately so I'm just a wondering if I'm seeing them all.
>
>Has anyone else responded to this post?
>
>JB
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
>>Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:20 AM
>>To: AccessD
>>Subject: [AccessD] Registry tweaks
>>
>>
>>Have ya ever... wished you had a place to store all the registry
>>tweaks you
>>run across?  I have run across so many things where they tell you to go to
>>the registry and set / clear / delete some entry.  I can NEVER remember
>>where I found the tweak, but I always remember I was supposed to do some
>>unnamed thing to make something happen.
>>
>>It all started with securing IIS.  An article I ran across gives a handful
>>of registry tweaks to tighten up security.  Of course I can use
>>regedit but
>>how blas?
>>
>>Well I just whipped out a little database to hold the key / value name /
>>value and a memo about the registry key, as well as a parent "topic" table
>>that lets me organize the entries by a topic of my choosing, complete with
>>memo.  At the moment you have to type the registry key / value
>>name / value
>>in, but once you do you can press a button and the entry is created in the
>>registry.  It uses a registry class for anyone interested in how to read /
>>write the registry (or doesn't want to write their own) courtesy of a VB
>>Techniques article written by Eric Smith on 3/29/2000.  I also use a few
>>withevent classes for those of you who want to see how I use Withevents to
>>run the basic forms.
>>
>>I may (probably will) eventually write code to back up an existing key
>>before modification, read registry chunks into the table etc.  Not there
>>yet.
>>
>>I think it would be cool to organize a huge "registry tweak"
>>database where
>>anyone interested gets this database and enters their favorite tweak, then
>>donates their tweaks to a pool.  I can take care of merging everyone's
>>tweaks into a single database and get the resulting pool up on my
>>web site.
>>
>>Anyone interested?  Anyone know of a public domain db that I can
>>get tweaks
>>already in a db?
>>
>>John W. Colby
>>www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
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From sgoodhall at comcast.net  Sat Nov 29 17:31:12 2003
From: sgoodhall at comcast.net (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:31:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Table Linking in Access 2000
In-Reply-To: <3FC8FB5B.2090607@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <GOEIJOAPGAMPLIOCMEPMAECGCOAA.sgoodhall@comcast.net>

I know that some of you picked up my Access97 routines that dynamically link
to back-end tables because I get an occasional question.  I finally got
around to rewriting them for Access2000, that is to use ADO rather than DAO
to create the links.  I have posted a sample database and documentation to
my web site, www.goodhall.info/steve.  Click on "Useful Software" on the
left frame and download the first item.  Feel free to use these subject to
the specified conditions which mostly consist of retaining the Copyright
notices.  As usual, there is no warranty expressed or implied.

Regards,

Steve Goodhall


From askolits at ot.com  Sat Nov 29 17:34:35 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:34:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Archive Ooops....
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKICEGLENAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFCEAFDJAA.askolits@ot.com>

Gee, and I thought it was just me and my browser. Great! Thanks for fixin'
it.

John Skolits


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Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:52 PM
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Thanks for staying on top of that Drew, the searchable archives are a great
asset to this community.

JB

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>
> Apparently my 'indexer' hasn't been running since late september.  So
> searches on messages since then would have produced nothing.  Fixed the
> problem earlier today, and now the indexing is all caught up.  Oooops.
>
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From artful at rogers.com  Sun Nov 30 16:32:17 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 14:32:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database
In-Reply-To: <000401c3b5d3$91e189f0$7001a8c0@COA3>
Message-ID: <000001c3b791$d7319e40$6501a8c0@rock>

Thanks!

Arthur

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Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 9:18 AM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database


To "walk" all, you need something like:

Public Sub allyesno()
Dim d As DAO.Database
Dim t As DAO.TableDef
Dim f As DAO.Field

Set d = CurrentDb
For Each t In d.TableDefs
    
    For Each f In t.Fields
        If f.Type = dbBoolean Then
            ' DO STUFF
            Debug.Print f.Name
        End If
    Next 'f
Next 't
End Sub

- hth,
Steve




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Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 1:53 PM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database


Thanks for this. It's a start, but what I don't see is how I can apply
so that I can walk all the tables and all the fields, finding the Yes/No
fields without knowing their names beforehand, and then applying the
changes.

Arthur

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 3:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database


Arthur, 

This works in A97, DAO
Since I have made the first field "0;Yes", then "Yes"
becomes the default value for the field.

Public Function fnYesNo2CBO()
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Set db = CurrentDb
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "DisplayControl", 3, 111, 111
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "RowSourceType", dbText, "Value List", "Value List"
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "RowSource", dbText, "0;Yes;1;No", "0;Yes;1;No"
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "ColumnCount", 3, 2, 2
    SetAccessProperty db.TableDefs("tblTest").Fields("testCBO"), _
    "ColumnWidths", dbText, "0, 720", "0, 720"
    Set db = Nothing
End Function

Private Function SetAccessProperty(obj As Object, strName As String, _
        intType As Integer, varSetting As Variant, _
        Optional SetToWhat As String) As Boolean
    Dim prp As DAO.Property
    Const conPropNotFound As Integer = 3270

    On Error GoTo ErrorSetAccessProperty
    ' Explicitly refer to Properties collection.
    obj.Properties(strName) = varSetting
    obj.Properties.Refresh
    If SetToWhat <> "" Then
        obj.Properties(strName).Value = SetToWhat
        obj.Properties.Refresh
    End If
    SetAccessProperty = True
    
ExitSetAccessProperty:
    Exit Function
    
ErrorSetAccessProperty:
    If Err = conPropNotFound Then

' Create property, denote type, and set initial value.
        Set prp = obj.CreateProperty(strName, intType, varSetting)
        ' Append Property object to Properties collection.
        obj.Properties.append prp
        obj.Properties(strName).Value = SetToWhat
        obj.Properties.Refresh
        SetAccessProperty = True
        Resume ExitSetAccessProperty
    Else
        MsgBox Err & ": " & vbCrLf & Err.Description
        SetAccessProperty = False
        Resume ExitSetAccessProperty
    End If
End Function


Michael R. Mattys
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www.mattysconsulting.com



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 7:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Change all Yes/No fields in a database


> I've been working on this database lately, and I made all the Yes/No 
> fields CheckBoxes. Turns out the client hates CheckBoxes and wants 
> Yes/No combos instead. So I need a routine to walk every table and 
> change the properties of every Yes/No field from CheckBox to Combo + 
> Value List, "-1","Yes", "0","No", column count = 2, column widths = 
> 0".
> 
> Anyone got such a routine or something close that I can rework to suit

> my needs?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> 
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